1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,320 Hey everybody, welcome back to the Elon Musk podcast. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,720 This is a show where we discuss the critical crossroads that 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,560 shape SpaceX, Tesla X, the Boring Company and Neurolink. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,400 I'm your host will Walden. On Tuesday, during the House 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Oversight Committee meeting, UAP or UFO journalist George Knapp 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:32,400 claimed that Lockheed Martin had stored an unusual material that 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,840 was not made from here at a facility in California. 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,880 So I want to bring this up because SpaceX and Lockheed 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,560 Martin are competitors. They are in the same aerospace 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,280 industry. And I want you to hear 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,640 everything about all the competitors and also SpaceX on 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,080 this show. So I want you to listen to 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,880 George Knapp now. George Knapp has been known to, 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,480 let's say, exaggerate the truth in the past and has claimed that 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,400 there are things that are real that we've never been proven. 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:14,440 So he's the basically like the typical UFO guy that makes their 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,160 living by talking about UFOs. And George Knapp seems like a 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,800 nice guy. I don't want to throw him under 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,600 the bus, but I want you to hear about this quote, unusual 20 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,800 material that was not made here in a facility in California that 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,160 George talks about. And I'm not into UFOSII don't, I 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,480 don't think they're real. And in a lot of ways, I know 23 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:47,240 there are unidentified things in the air that probably more than 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,600 likely are not from another planet or another solar system 25 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,520 or anything like that. So I want you to take that into 26 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,320 consideration as well when you listen to this. 27 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:05,040 And before we get started, I'm going to leave a link in the 28 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,520 show notes for you. And I have a business that I 29 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,320 want to tell you about. And this is my business. 30 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:18,800 I help businesses and small creators either start or 31 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,400 progress their YouTube and podcast channels. 32 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,840 I've been in the YouTube business for, I don't know, 10 33 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,160 years now. I've been in media for 20 plus 34 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:35,080 years. Whether it was in radio or I 35 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,600 was, I was in pirate radio. Pirate radio actually, back in 36 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,640 the day, which is pretty funny. College radio, television 37 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:49,000 stations worked as an operative, sorry, an operator, camera 38 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:55,560 operator for a major network. I've been Youtubing had this 39 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,640 have had this podcast for four plus years. 40 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:02,240 It's very successful. It's usually in the top 50 41 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,320 technology podcasts in the world and more than likely you'll see 42 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,920 it in the top 15. So you know I know what I'm 43 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,120 talking about. My other YouTube channel is very 44 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,520 successful. I've helped other people grow 45 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:22,600 from 500 subscribers to hundreds of thousands of subscribers over 46 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,480 time. I've helped small companies, 47 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,800 large corporations. I've talked to numerous 48 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,320 millionaires throughout my life trying to get them into 49 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,600 podcasting. Some of them succeeded, and were 50 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,240 the ones that succeeded stuck with it. 51 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,440 That's all it was actually. It was just consistency, 52 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,160 consistency, consistency. That's the one thing that I will 53 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,520 continue to rally around, consistency. 54 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Just keep doing your thing and people will follow you around 55 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,720 because if they like your message and they like you, 56 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,360 they'll continue to listen and watch your show. 57 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,520 So there's a link in the show notes. 58 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,400 If you're in that position. Please click on it, check it 59 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,480 out. And I guess let's listen to 60 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,840 George Knapp and just take this all with a grain of skull salt, 61 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,600 OK? Because he's a UFO guy and you 62 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,200 know how they are, right? Take care, everybody. 63 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,280 I now recognize Mr. Knapp for his opening statement. 64 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,000 Good morning, Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Miss Crockett, 65 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,360 and members of the task force. And Dina Titus. 66 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,560 I just knew we were going to get you involved in this topic at 67 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,120 one point. Great to see you here. 68 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,040 I'm George Knapp, chief investigator reporter at KLESTV 69 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,040 in Las Vegas. I began my pursuit of this weird 70 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,440 mystery way back in 1987, and for 38 years I've always 71 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,880 approached this as a new story. It's not a matter of faith or 72 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,200 belief. To me, it's a story, and it's an 73 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,960 important one. I'm proud to be here alongside 74 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,760 these witnesses today, men who have seen strange things and 75 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,360 step forward to tell the world about it. 76 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Whistleblowers and witnesses who step up are routinely insulted, 77 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:11,000 belittled, or worse. They risk their reputations, 78 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,880 their careers, their clearances, their livelihoods, and sometimes 79 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,360 much more than that, even their freedom. 80 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,480 I know that one of the goals of the task force here is to figure 81 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,000 out ways to protect whistleblowers and witnesses. 82 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,240 And it's a tall order because so many of the things that happened 83 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,640 to witnesses like these are extra legal. 84 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:33,920 They're carried out by persons unknown, as Mr. Dave Grush, 85 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,360 sitting up at the top of the room knows all too well, 86 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,560 including events in recent days to that have happened to him. 87 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,400 I want to share a couple of things that I've I've learned 88 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,880 along the way in this long journey. 89 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,320 And I submitted most of that in written form because I estimate 90 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,360 that my statement here today would take about 4 1/2 hours. 91 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,640 So I'm going to try to jump over and, and touch on the more 92 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,120 important salient points. I submitted the detailed written 93 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,080 statement for the record, and we'll go into a lot of that 94 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,440 here. But the, you know, the public 95 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,400 has been told over and over since the late 40s there's 96 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,040 nothing to worry about here. There. 97 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,120 These mysterious craft seen by millions of people in the skies, 98 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,960 in the oceans, over the land are not real. 99 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 They're not a threat. The witnesses are wrong. 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,400 They're crackpots. Don't believe it. 101 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,560 That changed for me. What got me hooked is the paper 102 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,800 trail documents that were squeezed out of the US 103 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,360 government after the FOIA Freedom of Information Act 104 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,960 became the law of the land. And those documents paint a much 105 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,560 different picture than what the public, the press, and Congress 106 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,840 have been told over many years. The documents from military and 107 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,960 intelligence personnel behind closed doors admit that, quote, 108 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,200 these things are real, They're not fictitious. 109 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,920 They can fly in formation, they're evasive, and they 110 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,480 outperform any aircraft known to exist, including ours. 111 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,040 The public, of course, as I said, has been told something 112 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,600 much different. You know, back in 1989, I 113 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,120 reported about a guy named Bob Lazar who claimed that he worked 114 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,840 at a facility dubbed S4 out in the Nevada desert very near to 115 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:06,440 Area 51. He said he was part of a reverse 116 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,480 engineering program. He said there are alien craft 117 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,360 that will be taken apart to figure out how they operated out 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,040 there. And that's it was a pretty tall 119 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,080 order. I'd clearly taken a dive into 120 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,640 the deep end of the pool there. But in the years since then, 121 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,240 I've interviewed dozens of other people and I've detailed what 122 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,280 their testimony has been in the written statement. 123 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,960 They include Senator Harry Reid, Senator Howard Cannon, also of 124 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,640 Nevada, guy named Al O'Donnell, who is the first general manager 125 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,680 of EG and G in Nevada, which managed the Nevada Test Site, 126 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,040 which blew up hundreds of nuclear weapons. 127 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,720 There's a guy named Doctor James Lakatsky, who was a career 128 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,840 scientist with the Defense Intelligence Agency, who was the 129 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,920 guy who initiated a program called ASAP Advanced Aerospace 130 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Weapons Systems Application Program, which is as far as we 131 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,720 know, the largest acknowledged UFO program ever funded by the 132 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,560 US government. Which put together an amazing 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,280 pile of information that members of this committee and the world, 134 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,280 most of which they have never seen. 135 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,520 The DIA still hasn't released 95% of what was prepared by that 136 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,080 program at a cost of millions and millions of dollars. 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,280 The one name I do want to bring up in this section session 138 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,040 though is Robert Bigelow. So looking into the idea of 139 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,160 crash retrievals and reverse engineering. 140 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 While at OSAP, that program was active. 141 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,600 The DI as contractor Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas made a bold 142 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,840 attempt to acquire physical proof of UFO crashes. 143 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,360 It's been widely reported and suspected that Lockheed Martin 144 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,480 is one of the contractors. The defense contractors that has 145 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,559 held this stuff stored it away in secrecy and tried to figure 146 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,800 out how it works. I have confirmed on the record 147 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,360 that Robert Bigelow and a trusted colleague from OSAP met 148 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,880 with and negotiated with senior executives at Lockheed Martin 149 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,600 and hammered out a deal where in Bigelow's company, Bass would 150 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,320 receive a quantity of unusual material that had been stashed 151 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,840 away and protected at a facility in California. 152 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,400 That material was not made here. I want to move on now to the 153 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,760 Russia files because that was going to be sort of the central 154 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,280 impetus of what I was going to talk to you about today. 155 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,640 Back in the early 90s, I got into Russia, met with a number 156 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,040 of their defense officials, Ministry of Defense and others 157 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,520 who confirmed for me that Russia had been doing the same thing. 158 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,200 They didn't. the United States had been doing, that is, 159 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,120 secretly studying UFOs while publicly saying something 160 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,600 completely different. The documents and interviews 161 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,600 that I obtained and have now shared with this task force, a 162 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,280 show that the USSR launched what is almost certainly the largest 163 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,960 UFOUAP investigation in the world. 164 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,040 The first phase of that was a order was sent out to the entire 165 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,440 USSR military empire that every unit you see anything strange in 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,200 the sky, a craft and orb, something unusual. 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,960 You had to gather all the evidence, collect testimony from 168 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,080 the witnesses, look for physical evidence, and all of that 169 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,560 information went into one program at the Ministry of 170 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,200 Defense. Thousands and thousands of these 171 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,240 reports came in. A lot of them were first routed 172 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,520 to the KGB, but then back to another program that came after 173 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,760 this collection effort called Thread 3, and Thread 3 was an 174 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,280 analysis program. We have provided to the 175 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,440 committee the documents of what they were trying to do, and 176 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,840 essentially they were trying to build their own UFOs. 177 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,520 They were using the information from their observations and 178 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,840 studies to try to figure out that technology. 179 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,800 The guy who was in charge of that program, Colonel Boro 180 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Sokolow, told me that their goal was to basically develop 181 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,040 technology that would be superior to anything we had 182 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,480 based on what they learned from UFOs. 183 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,560 Mr. Knapp, just in the name of time, my understanding, did you 184 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,640 have anything you wanted to submit for Congress to see in 185 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,040 this committee? I have submitted those documents 186 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,080 there's. To play. 187 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,080 And at this point, George plays a a video for the people there, 188 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,520 but it's very muffled and hard to hear. 189 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,000 So I couldn't let you hear it because it just didn't come out. 190 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Well, after mastering and checking it out for a while, it 191 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,000 just didn't work out. So just what did you think? 192 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Let me know what you thought in the comments. 193 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,280 If there are comments on your podcast platform, let me know 194 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:32,000 what you think. Hey, thank you so much for 195 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,200 listening today. I really do appreciate your 196 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,760 support. 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