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Hi everybody and welcome back to
the show. 

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Today we're going to be 
presenting to you, a Twitter 

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spaces, talk with Elon Musk 
where he discusses the latest 

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updates for the Starship, super 
heavy program after the launch 

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attempt than happened on for 20 
of this year. 

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And there are some very good 
Insight from Elan himself in 

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this episode. 
So, please sit back and relax 

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and listen to this Twitter 
spaces. 

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Recording, it seemed odd 
everyday. 

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Astronaut is messed up. 
My co-host and determine if 

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those people actually want to 
add to speak and provide some 

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important questions, definitely 
feel free to just. 

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Yeah sounds great. 
Thank you Lon. 

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Hey Irene Hey Lon. 
It's been like that it has that 

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was very exciting to be in Boca 
Chica. 

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You always live up to your 
promises about exciting times 

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and SpaceX Yes. 
Punctuality is not my strong 

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suit, but I do deliver in the 
end. 

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Yes, you do excitement was 
guaranteed and it was delivered,

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exactly. 
Yeah, we just get right into it 

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at. 
So I think probably people have 

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enough time to get on or 
hopefully hopefully yeah, as it 

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basically the outcome was 
roughly in the sort of what I 

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expected and maybe slightly 
exceeded my expectations. 

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Roughly what I expected which 
was or all hoped for I should 

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say which is that we would get 
clear of the pad with minimal 

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damage the pad and I'm glad to 
report that the pat damage is 

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actually quite small. 
And looks like if you were quiet

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repaired quickly and that we 
would also get significant 

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in-flight data. 
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the pressurizing of the tanks, 
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which is called, which hajin has
pressurization as opposed to 

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say, A falcon 9 which uses a 
helium. 

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Pressurization. 
But helium isn't very short 

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supply and extremely expensive. 
It's way better to, or, to 

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essentially pressurized with the
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fuel. 
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good. 
And we also went supersonic 

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which is that was no problem at 
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And he, so I'm going through 
obviously some good news items 

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here. 
The vehicle. 

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Structural margins appear to be 
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As you can tell by the fact that
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doing somersaults towards the 
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So that's also good. 
And yeah, so I will actually 

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feel like that was a great 
flight at SpaceX team did. 

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Excellent work. 
We made a lot of progress and I 

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think for a technique from a 
broadcast standpoint and Pad 

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standpoint, we are probably 
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weeks. 
The longest, the item that is 

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probably requalification of the 
flight termination system. 

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Because we did initiate the 
fight termination system, but it

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was not enough to it took way 
too long to rupture the tanks. 

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So we need a basically a much we
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unzip the tanks at altitude and 
ensure that they basically the 

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rocket explodes immediately. 
If there's an a if I 

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termination, is this necessary. 
So requalification of the is I'm

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just guessing here that recalled
cake of the Much longer 

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detonation cord to tons of the 
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probably the long lead item. 
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It was pretty long, I think it 
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ish. 
So quite long. 

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The yeah. 
So Now, it's the rocket was in a

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relatively low air density 
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So the aerodynamic forces that I
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less than if it was at a lower 
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And so that are now forces would
have included, I think low point

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the atmosphere aided in the 
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And in fact that that's what 
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When the vehicle got to load off
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density was enough to cause 
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obviously something that we want
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Aerosol it before proceeding 
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Let's see, I'll go through a 
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actually at liftoff there were 
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chose not to start essentially, 
the oh, that hit aborts that. 

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And so we actually looked at off
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minimum number of engines those 
interested or explode. 

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But they were just the system. 
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enough to bring them to a full 
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Then at t, plus 27 seconds and 
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Concurrent with some kind of 
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The outer heat shield from the e
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You can see this on video 
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people have like, basically 
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different from this occurred 
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Because I know people, some 
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frame-by-frame at video but this
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after a week anyway. 
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plus 27 seconds because engine 
19 law school Communications and

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some kind of explosion happened 
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engines. 
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yeah. 
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The Afghan starting after this 
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flight. 
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for at T plus 62 seconds, we see
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damage and your engine 30, 
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run and then at TA 5 seconds is 
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We see engine 6 will last the 
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control and roughly. 
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lose thrust vector control of 
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So we lose steering at t. 
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6 that kept trying to relight to
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was there one that one looks 
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kept attempting to relight relay
relay over and over which is 

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pretty wild to see. 
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that before and it was one of 
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That's her saying. 
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in the center engines but not in
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So the third basically at 
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Logic. 
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that isn't, that's entirely 
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Although if the engine is 
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that should not be going into a 
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your best guess as to what 
caused the initial engine issues

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and then I guess it, cascaded a 
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But what do you think happened? 
It's I think we don't know with 

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certainty. 
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the launch pad for a while and 
we did generate quite the rock, 

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tornado at the base of the 
vehicle and at our first guest 

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would have been that The Rock 
tornado would have caused the 

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significantly significant damage
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don't we do actually do not see 
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We actually do, weirdly do not 
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tornado. 
Actually damaging engines or 

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heat shields in a material way. 
It may happen. 

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We have not yet seen evidence 
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certainly will be taking off 
faster. 

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So this for this flight, weird 
on the side of babying, the 

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engines and just gently starting
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And they're quite the engines on
Brewster seven were built over a

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long period of time. 
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of a unique item and whereas the
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is next are much newer and more 
consistent. 

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And really with With significant
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booster 7. 
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more robust to engine situation 
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The heat shield won't Orchard 
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both force and heat shields 
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are much better because they 
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seven year, we record heat 
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Is designed in so the Riveter 
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Will you be doing something with
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Chill system on the on booster 9
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with seven? 
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Expendable part of the pad, 
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those hoses, rip free. 
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you would like to avoid having 
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future. 
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definitely needs to be like a 
rabbit reflect capability, so 

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they can't be any external items
over time. 

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It was actually just good to get
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because we've made so many 
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And I know beyond that it really
really just need to fly this 

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vehicle and then move on to the 
much improved. 

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Rooster nine and later ship 
designs. 

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But so thing we want to ensure 
of probably most with the next 

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Inflight is that we do not have 
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that controls that affects 
multiple engines is extremely 

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robust and with extra shielding 
so that that we don't have a 

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sort of a single point that can 
take out multiple engines. 

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And for sure, we don't want a 
single point, they can take out 

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the thrust vector control which 
is entrance during the range of 

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detail. 
We guarantee our is like level 9

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rocket was a tree all the way to
how rockets work. 

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Understood, can I try again? 
How do I have? 

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I can confirm that we have all 
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speculation out here. 
And I guess one of the big 

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points that a lot of us have 
been wondering, is related to 

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Stage separation. 
So, I guess, the two part 

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question, like, what actually 
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And also the second part of that
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light its engines after the 
destruction of booster 7. 

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No, it did not when they 
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executor on both, so the ship 
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save itself. 
Arguably, maybe two. 

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That's good point. 
Yeah, it's crazy. 

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And looks like the engines lit 
after the booster, like, go, and

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after the booster finally blew 
up, like there's what looks 

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like, 
A combination of it. 

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But but like the, so the very 
things that are like important 

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for the next flight are ensuring
that thrust vector control. 

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We don't lose the rocket thrust 
vector control. 

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So isolation with respect to 
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nine is a lot easier because we 
use electric motors to steer the

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engines as opposed to hydraulic 
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common manifold between the 
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So if you lose hydraulic 
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look, there's multiple engines 
especially if you have some kind

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of failure in the hydraulic 
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engines will be much more 
isolated and not have the single

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event failure. 
As long as they did not lose 

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power or comes along since 
you've gone ahead and excavated 

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your your launch mount a bit, I 
assume you're gonna go ahead and

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put in that the steel grid and 
the word they lose. 

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Do you think that will fully 
address the issue of the wider 

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than expected? 
Debris field? 

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And are you expecting any? 
A pushback from environmental 

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and kind of community groups 
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put debris where it wasn't 
expected. 

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Yeah, the we're going to be 
putting down a lot of Steel. 

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The debris is really just 
basically sand and rock, so, 

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it's often they're not toxic at 
all or anything. 

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It's just like a sandstorm. 
Essentially, basically a 

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human-made set Stan storm, but 
we don't want to do that again. 

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We were very putting down a, a 
very strong steel. 

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Sandwich that is basically a 
water jacketed sandwich, that's 

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two layers of thick, very thick 
plate steel that a better. 

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Also perforated on the upper 
side so that you have, but what 

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is basically a massive 
super-strong steel shower, head 

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pointing up and then the water 
pressure has coming out of 

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there, has to exceed the 
pressure for the engines. 

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Thrust is exerting on the steel 
plate on the vehicle or Stan, 

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but, which is is all doable, and
Ed being done and so it should 

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be much less Dusty. 
And we should not have a rock 

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tornado with the next flight. 
Hey Ilan, it's Joey from 

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Reuters. 
Why couldn't you install that 

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before this launch, was that a 
technical reason or a regulatory

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reason that it wasn't ready to 
do stuff like we expected, we'd 

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expected to dig a hole. 
We would not have Teflon. 

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So the reason we would not 
expect to excavate a whole, 

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we've done a static fire of the 
booster and that that had just 

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result in You're fairly modest 
erosion of the high strength 

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concrete at the base of just 
called found a gets a sort of 

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special, but basically the 
strongest highest temperature 

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form of concrete that you can 
get steel-reinforced everything.

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And so if we thought it would be
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erode some amount of the 
concrete but that it would be 

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fine. 
We certainly didn't expect to 

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effectively what it looks like 
when we were enough to full 

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thrust, probably shattered the 
concrete, so Is it possible that

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the base layer failed first and 
not the actual van dijk layer on

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top. 
It is, we are getting into some 

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amount of speculation here but 
it's one of the aspirations. 

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And one of the more probable 
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up to full thrust that the that 
we may have, compressed, the 

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sand underneath the concrete to 
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perfectly bent and then cracked.
That's it. 

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That is a leading theory. 
But as we definitely want to do 

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not have the gain and and I was 
never a long time ago, we 

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thought it would just be fine 
for one launched. 

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We were owed some on Deck just 
as we did with the booster, 

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static fire. 
And and then for the next 

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launch, we're going to put in 
the deal. 

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Mega steel pancake, this thing's
a beast. 

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That is why the steel pancake 
over like a flame trench or 

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something like that. 
You can do it either way but the

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and that's just from schools of 
thought there. 

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The important thing is that you 
have a regenerative Lee cooled, 

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like wherever the flame is 
hitting that your that that is 

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regenerative lie and 
evaporatively cooled. 

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So, what you'll see is that how 
to make Steam Cloud, but not a 

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dust cloud so that we, you know,
we're friends, some both ways, 

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you could do it both ways. 
But and I both work, the 

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acoustic environment is worse 
with a flat face. 

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So, as you might imagine, but 
the payload is so far up in the 

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payload 400 feet away from where
the plane from, where the plume 

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is impinging. 
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Acoustics are not actually, not 
that bad and the payload 

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fairing, so we're not have to 
worry too much about it being 

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too loud in the payload Fairing 
and so it can be done either 

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way, but this is one way and we 
were pretty confident, this will

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work and we're going to extend 
the steel Beyond just underneath

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the rocket. 
It because you want to make sure

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we don't take up concrete 
elsewhere. 

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And and then it get, we're going
to connect the load of the 

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massive steel sandwich 
underneath launch pad into the 

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launch found legs. 
So it can take that load in 

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tension, as well as a 
compression. 

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So I don't know if that's a true
Pro pretty good about that. 

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You'll see it come together next
author. 

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So but like say that that 
actually we're it is not 

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currently appear to be what 
prevented the rocket from 

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getting closer than it did. 
There was obviously a caps a 

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flame path somewhere within the 
vehicle structure that As some 

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of the engines failed there, 
maybe it would appear to be a 

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foot like a flame path to a 
piece of avionics or control 

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system that knocked out the 
thrust vector control. 

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Once you knock out thrust vector
control, the rocket no longer 

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has serious during Authority. 
What things do you think went 

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better than you expected, and 
what things went worse than you 

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expected? 
It was pretty close to what I 

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expected at least in this. 
And those for this fight was 

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pretty close to what I expected 
getting past. 

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My excuse was a pretty big deal.
I was actually quite shocked. 

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I don't know why I had that 
whole the fins in the flaps up 

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front and all that stuff 
especially starting to lose 

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Control Authority, with TVC 
going out. 

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That was pretty impressive. 
Thing, just kept chugging along 

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and punching right through. 
So that was my big one. 

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If it made it through Max Q, I 
was gonna consider that a pretty

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big milestone for sure. 
Yeah, definitely, that's for 

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sure. 
An important Milestone and it 

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got pretty close to Stage 
separation. 

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If we had maintained thrust 
vector control and throttled up,

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which we should have, because we
needed to compensate greed, lust

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too many engines, so we need to 
read which of the throne, but 

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the remaining engines to make up
for the missing ones. 

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But if we don't lost, if we're 
thrown off their many engines 

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and maintain thrust vector 
control, we would have made it 

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to staging which would be cool. 
Yes, that that's our goal for 

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the next flight is make it to 
staging. 

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Hopefully 16 and staging and get
get older. 

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So everybody started going to 
orbit with the next? 

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Why did the my booster command 
separation? 

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Get it actually try letting go 
of Starship and it just couldn't

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because of something or did not 
even get that far in the 

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program. 
Now, at first, they did not get 

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to the point where it would do 
separation. 

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And I want one could argue that 
at the point, which the booster 

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is kaput. 
The ship may as well just take 

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off and keep going. 
But the problem is that we have 

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a very precise targeted entry 
point in the Pacific. 

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The ship really wouldn't have 
the Delta plastic the capability

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of reaching that Target points. 
Are you are? 

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So even if you wouldn't want it 
re-entry over Africa or 

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something and then just just 
touching down randomly. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

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So it's with it would only be 
worth really starting to show up

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if the ship is able to complete 
a submission and reaches 

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targeted Landing point, just the
west of Hawaii. 

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Ilan, would you change the 
flight profile all? 

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And what would you have to do to
actually reach orbit? 

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As opposed to the 146 miles? 
That this one, seems like that 

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would have been the max 
altitude? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So it's mostly about velocity 

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that rather than elf to, but I'd
said, I think we've got a better

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than 30% chance of reaching 
Orbit on the next line. 

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So, I'd say that my expectation 
for the next flight would be 

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more likely to reach over 
tonight. 

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And are you actually in with are
you going to be attempting orbit

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or like doing the same profile 
of re-entering over Hawaii? 

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And that whole thing? 
Yeah, we're just going to do 

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repeat. 
Basically the goal of these 

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early missions is just 
information going to have any 

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payload or anything. 
It's let's try to learn as much 

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as possible and that's a and 
that's why we consider this to 

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be a success because since the 
goal of the flight was to learn 

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a lot and we learned a lot, I 
would characterize it as a 

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success, obviously not complete 
success but still no less 

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successful. 
And I always want to frame this 

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the difficulty of this with 
respect to the sort of Soviet 

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Union Warsaw Pact rocket 
developments of the past, for 

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which I have a lot of respect. 
But back in Russia and Ukraine 

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are working together. 
They made great. 

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I did great stuff in space after
I say yeah maybe wonder they can

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respond to that but much more 
productive. 

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Like the N1 program is always 
worth always recommend people 

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read the history of the Soviet 
and one program which was the 

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competitor. 
Rocket to the Saturn 5, Euro 

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certified Moon rocket. 
And that's, that's a point 

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you're talking about late 60s 
early 70s where the Soviets were

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really at their a game. 
They were just really fantastic.

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They said they had a plus 
players that it's fair to say 

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that their motivation was 
maximized. 

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Success means, you are hero of 
the Soviet Union. 

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Failure of you're probably going
to the gulag so a plus players 

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maximum motivation and so The N1
failed at every solve it so that

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those are that's the team for 
one. 

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We really have to have a 
tremendous respect for the end 

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one team and they did not 
succeed so and it didn't help 

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that glushko never wanted that 
thing. 

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Any way you wanted it, he wanted
his own Mega rocket. 

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Then, what score, Leo, Carrillo 
have died. 

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It was game over for that poor 
thing. 

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So the storage unit, certainly 
suffered a massive lost with 

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Karlov dying. 
He was there for brown 

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basically. 
So That for a car, that was 

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awesome. 
It's like losing your best 

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player at the worst time, 
really? 

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But nonetheless, it's there was 
so many super smart people in 

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that program and they're really 
know what they're doing with 

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rockets and maximum motivation. 
I do not succeed. 

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So it just always bearing that 
in the N1 is the closest to 

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Starship of any rocket that's 
flown. 

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And I thought shop is actually a
bit more risky in some ways and 

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that we've got a cryogenic fuel 
and think about a cryogenic 

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fuel. 
Is it can gasify and form fuel 

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oxygen pockets. 
And that kind of thing, it's 

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always harder to deal with the 
gas with a cryogenic fuel. 

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Then with a fuel that is liquid 
at room temperature kerosene, 

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basically. 
Rocket grade jet fuel is, which 

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is what Falcon and the anyone 
used. 

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So they've got real risk in that
respect. 

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We're running at a higher 
chamber pressure engine that's 

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full flow stage combustion so 
it's the most complex and 

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difficult engine configuration. 
But the one with the highest 

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efficiency and we're using 
autogenous pressurization, which

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I don't think they did and I 
feel so those are things and 

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I'll steer our scale is also 
bigger. 

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We're about twice the mass and 
about. 

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So I think 60% Will thrust in an
N 1. 

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So if you don't mind me asking 
here, why do you think Starship 

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will succeed using a similar? 
Even not just the multi-engine 

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Clause if you're anything like 
that. 

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But just even though General 
like test by flying philosophy 

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of the N1, why do you think 
there's four flights? 

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The N1 never made it to Stage 
separation. 

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Why do you think Starship will 
succeed in a with all the 

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comparisons that are similar to 
it? 

401
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We do have a production line 
that if it takes those ten 

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flights will do it, they would 
eventually have succeeded with 

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the anyone. 
They just decided that it was 

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too expensive to continue and 
they want to do other things. 

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So after they had those failures
they and I guess it's probably 

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pretty embarrassing. 
Our national level, but I do 

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think that the Starship resign, 
if you've got a, you've got a 

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rocket with light engines as we 
do, if you have extremely good 

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engine isolation so that if an 
engine fails, it does not cause 

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The failure of neighboring 
engine or the stage itself, you 

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have a very robust design 
because then you lose one of 33 

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engines. 
That's a three percent thrust 

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lost. 
It's not a big deal, but if you 

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do not have good energy and 
isolation and an engine failure.

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Can Domino to other engines or 
two parts of the stage? 

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Then you have an extremely 
unreliable design so that's why 

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with with recruiters haven't, 
but especially booster 9, we're 

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gone to so much trouble to 
isolate the engines. 

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And so if one engine goes wrong,
it does not knock out other 

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engines or damage the rest of 
the stage. 

421
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Yeah, so I think it's when all 
is said and done. 

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This will be an extremely 
reliable provide, that you. 

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It's absolutely fundamental to 
achieve Edge isolation. 

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Hey, Alana to expect hls to be 
Starship. 

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Hls to be the long pole for our 
team is 3. 

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00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,900
No, definitely don't. 
I think we will be will be. 

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The first thing to be really be,
I think we'll know. 

428
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I think will be the that we will
not be a limiting factor at all 

429
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you on. 
How much do you expect to spend 

430
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in this kind of prototype 
development phase? 

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Before one of these Starships 
actually starts flying real 

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payloads other and starlink or 
otherwise and how many kind of 

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tests are you targeting before 
that? 

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I hope all we can get. 
For flight to out the Seer, 

435
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maybe five and we should be. 
I would be surprised if we exit 

436
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this here without getting to 
orbit. 

437
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,500
I'd say it's not 100, it's not 
hard. 

438
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Said probably. 
I think we probably got an 80% 

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probability of reaching orbit 
this year and pretty and I don't

440
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want to tempt fate. 
You're not going to work but I 

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think close to 100% chance of 
reaching orbit within 12 months 

442
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Thank you very much like it's 
Basics, actually quite good at 

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production so we do like 
extremely like the best in 

444
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history of any rocket made from 
with production. 

445
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We're making a falcon 9 upper 
stage which is a large complex 

446
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machine every three or four 
days. 

447
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,200
And around there every day right
now. 

448
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,200
Yes, we're capable of. 
We're actually slowed it down 

449
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slightly because we've got more 
Raptors than we know what to do 

450
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with. 
So we're actually focusing but 

451
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more on the rafter side on 
upgrades, mostly to improve 

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reliability and robustness of 
the engine. 

453
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They some performance 
improvements as well and the 

454
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cost of all this like how much 
do you expect to spend on all 

455
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that either this year or before 
you start flying real payloads? 

456
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,800
Probably. 
Be a couple billion dollars this

457
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:23,200
year, two billion dollars ish. 
well, then on Sasha and there's 

458
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:26,700
kind of a struggle by other 
companies to raise funds lately,

459
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:29,400
for a number of reasons in 
SpaceX is usually didn't 

460
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,900
insulated from that. 
But do you see any kind of 

461
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:34,800
difference, nowadays is SpaceX 
kind of thinking about 

462
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,400
fundraising differently, and it 
does that affect how the 

463
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,100
pressure on this Starship 
program at all? 

464
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,800
We do not anticipate needing to 
raise funny. 

465
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:48,600
We think we're we don't think we
need to raise funding will do a 

466
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,400
status thing where we provide 
liquidity to employees who are 

467
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,500
in stock, but that's my 
knowledge, we do not need to 

468
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,600
raise incremental funding for 
SpaceX. 

469
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Annie Lon. 
Another 5-10 minutes. 

470
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,400
Okay cool. 
Yeah, time and didn't want to 

471
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,300
get a be fun to get some new 
people in here, John Cross and I

472
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,200
haven't said anything yet and it
also Mary Liz. 

473
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600
So John I saw you start to speak
there for a second. 

474
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:18,600
Yeah, I have a fun questions. 
The lean off the pad was that 

475
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,400
intentional was it more than you
thought? 

476
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,400
It might be, was it related to 
the engines out and do you 

477
00:27:24,408 --> 00:27:27,400
expect to do that on future more
operational launches? 

478
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,900
No, we're not. 
We the it was related to the 

479
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,900
engines out and we do not 
normally expect to lean. 

480
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:36,400
It should be good. 
I asked for Ashley going 

481
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,900
straight up, there will be some 
debate as to because you can. 

482
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,200
So for the next fight we're 
going to start the engines 

483
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,900
faster and get off the pad 
faster. 

484
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200
I think we're from started for 
engine start to actually moving 

485
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,300
was around 5 Seconds which is 
really a long time to be 

486
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:52,700
blasting the pad. 
We're going to try to get that 

487
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:57,200
down to about half that time, 
maybe two and a half seconds, 

488
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,400
start the engines faster and and
then at throttle up faster and 

489
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,900
just get off the deck and dark 
black reduce how much we blast 

490
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:07,100
the pad and then there's a 
debate of do you keep the rocket

491
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:11,100
over the pad which case you 
there's more cooking of the base

492
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,500
or do you start you start moving
sideways sooner if you move 

493
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:19,000
sideways sooner you are moving 
that big cutting torch across 

494
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,600
the launch room so you can think
of a thing like the world's 

495
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,100
biggest cutting torch basically 
And so it like we have big steel

496
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,100
plates over the top of launch 
ring. 

497
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,600
But I think, depending on how 
close the engines are they are, 

498
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,000
they are road that deal at a 
roughly in it. 

499
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,500
I think. 
Half an inch to an inch per 

500
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:43,000
second of high strength, high 
strength steel is eroded by The 

501
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Cutting torch, so you don't be 
too. 

502
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,500
You want the entrance to be too 
close to the launch ring before 

503
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,600
you. 
You start moving sideways with 

504
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,500
it with the abyss doing that. 
What's the op? 

505
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,700
Yeah. 
And on this one as it did move 

506
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,600
across the launch ring because 
it needed out there sideways, 

507
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:02,200
did it towards the top of the 
laundering to batter did? 

508
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,000
I can't hold up pretty good. 
Actually held up surprisingly. 

509
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,900
Well, so we actually we're glad 
to see that there's appears to 

510
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,300
be minimal damage to the launch 
ring and to the components 

511
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:13,700
inside launch rank. 
So, that's great. 

512
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:18,300
Because that launch roaring is 
to take six months to build up a

513
00:29:18,308 --> 00:29:21,200
new launch ring. 
We have some spares, but that 

514
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,900
there's a lot of complex, 
Plumbing wiring inside launching

515
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,500
and that Apache appears to be in
good shape. 

516
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,600
Yeah, I just had one could 
question, speaking of that 

517
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,900
launch ring, like, liftoff 
conditions. 

518
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:33,900
Topic. 
Why couldn't you wait like a 

519
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,500
month to install that steel 
plate for it to be ready? 

520
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,900
My twin? 
Why launched before? 

521
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:42,100
That's ready? 
As I said, we did a static fire.

522
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,700
Well, the booster with the 
concrete, the pond egg and we 

523
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,300
saw mod a manageable amount of 
erosion. 

524
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,700
We thought the launch would have
increased erosion but would not 

525
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:56,200
smash the concrete. 
So weird. 

526
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,400
Not expectations, batch the 
concrete would not think I would

527
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,900
agree with that that would occur
based on the data. 

528
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,100
We saw from the static fire. 
If we thought that would occur, 

529
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:04,800
then we would have waited for 
this deal. 

530
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,500
The deal with was really meant 
not, it was, is intended to be 

531
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,900
have a launch pad that requires 
minimal the basically no 

532
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,200
refurbishment. 
That's the intent, the attached 

533
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,100
of the sort of water cools, the 
mega steel sandwich and was the 

534
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,500
communications blackout. 
The reason the staging event 

535
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,200
didn't happen or was it, because
it Didn't get that point started

536
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,500
tumbling before. 
Yeah, it just didn't get to what

537
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,000
I would consider to be a safe 
point to do stage separation. 

538
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Now, I should point out like 
stage. 

539
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,700
Separation itself is a dodgy 
thing, and many, a rocket in the

540
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:44,200
past has as failed at stage 
separation, or putting a lot of 

541
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,500
attention on like said, I don't 
get too confident but I feel 

542
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,000
like it's really quite likely to
get to Stage separation with the

543
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600
next flight. 
And so then we want to make sure

544
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,200
that We actually execute the 
stage separation because it is 

545
00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:02,300
different from Falcon. 
It's yeah. 

546
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,700
So that's we want to get through
this stage. 

547
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,400
Separation light the ship and 
complete. 

548
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,700
What almost a full. 
Oh, but it's actually got the, 

549
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,000
the Delta plus C is almost 
identical to orbit, but so we 

550
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,100
actually could sell it to a 
decently good orbit, but we want

551
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,900
it, we want to test the entry 
system of the show so to test 

552
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,700
the ship heat shield in the 
height, you so get to orbit and 

553
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,200
then ideally deal with with the 
ship. 

554
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,600
So we can test the how well the 
heat shield works for the ship 

555
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,500
or one of the vehicle. 
Yeah, let's grab one more Mary. 

556
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,000
Liz Bender. 
I can marry with solinsky. 

557
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,100
Sorry. 
Yeah figure out how to change my

558
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,900
handle Iman. 
That that launch was so epic. 

559
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,400
I don't know how you felt in 
Mission Control. 

560
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,500
Maybe you were nervous and 
paying attention to data. 

561
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:55,300
But for the rest of us that have
witnessed years and years of 

562
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:59,200
Falcon, launches and many other 
launches, I think it's safe to 

563
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,100
say that was the most epic 
launch of them all. 

564
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,200
And I hope you got a chance to 
really I enjoy it. 

565
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,900
I was actually wondering about 
that moment in the room with 

566
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:12,500
your team or maybe for you 
personally. 

567
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,800
Like, how did this compare to 
the other first that you've gone

568
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,500
through in the Falcon program 
with hopper? 

569
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:24,900
Like, how did you feel? 
Yeah, no. 

570
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,600
I was very excited about the 
SpaceX team to amazing work and 

571
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,900
aren't this is really one of the
hottest technical projects that 

572
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:36,800
Humanity has ever done. 
This yourself fully reusable 

573
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,300
humongous rocket fully, and 
rapidly, reusable reliable 

574
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,800
rocket, that of unusual size. 
But this is certainly a 

575
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,700
candidate for hardest. 
Technical problem done by 

576
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:51,700
humans. 
Yeah, look at little bit. 

577
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:56,900
So I think the teams And 
excellent work at one, a very 

578
00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:00,300
hard problem. 
And I think we're actually I'm 

579
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,100
upbeat about the next 12 months.
I think we're going to get to 

580
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:06,200
orbit and then the it'll 
probably take us a few more 

581
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,700
years to achieve reuse reuse 
ability on a regular basis where

582
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,200
we bring the booster back and 
bring the ship back and where it

583
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,600
gets that, you know, take a few 
years to get to where Falcon 9 

584
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,800
is today, where it is now quite 
normal for the rocket to land 

585
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,100
every word. 
If it doesn't land these days. 

586
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,100
So, it's in that Old. 
Yeah, it's crazy. 

587
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:30,200
Hitting the bullseye of a ship 
out in stormy weather at that, 

588
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,700
sugar is not. 
Anchored is literally trying to 

589
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,100
keep position. 
It's holding to a GPS position 

590
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:35,100
in. 
The rock is flying to that 

591
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,400
position until manages to hit 
the bullseye in a storm. 

592
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Make it look you guys make it 
look so easy it's crazy every 

593
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
time to watch that happen. 
Yeah. 

594
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:47,800
Like that. 
It's a testament to the awesome 

595
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,900
team and it is wonderful. 
Sorry, I just had one more 

596
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,700
question. 
A lot of opposition from these 

597
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:57,500
environmental groups in the area
over the debris and I just 

598
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:01,200
wanted to get your reaction to 
that since some didn't expect 

599
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,900
the debris to go as far as it 
seemed to go. 

600
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:05,600
And if there is a legal 
challenge in court, you know 

601
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,300
either against SpaceX or the 
effort, how would SpaceX respond

602
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:10,900
and what would that do to the 
timeline? 

603
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,699
Yeah, I think if you stop for 
practical purposes, what was? 

604
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,100
I think? 
Like you, if you were to say 

605
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,600
like at this point, I look at it
aerial picture of the area and 

606
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,199
apart from the area around 
launched and tell me where 

607
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,600
things are damaged. 
It's actually, I think can't 

608
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,800
even see it at this point. 
So the it's not like the rocket 

609
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,900
uses non-toxic propellants and 
so it just got a lot of dust, 

610
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,800
but it's the best of our 
knowledge. 

611
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,199
Like there is not been any 
meaningful damaged. 

612
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:43,699
Environment that we're aware of.
And to be honest, I was out 

613
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:46,900
there at the pad, two days after
there's a huge storm on Saturday

614
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:50,800
like 70. 80 mile an hour winds, 
yeah, it was intense and like I 

615
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,400
saw more debris coming off the 
shore from like people's Ducks 

616
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,900
falling into the water and like 
capsized boats. 

617
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,600
If that's true I did anything 
more than just some bits of 

618
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,100
concrete which you know. 
Yeah yeah I mean to exceed the 

619
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,800
Damage Done by a hurricane is 
quite difficult, hurricanes 

620
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:11,600
nature, the power of nature is a
man's compared to I will We are 

621
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,500
still feeble compared to the 
power of nature. 

622
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:16,900
Little tiny miniature. 
Hurricane Really tiny like I 

623
00:35:16,908 --> 00:35:19,400
look at Sasha pin slide. 
It seems so big to us humans, 

624
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,400
but if you zoomed out and we're 
looking at Earth from a 

625
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,200
distance, you wouldn't even see 
Starship it real I can't I think

626
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,200
I see a tiny little dot jumping 
off the surface. 

627
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,400
Maybe yeah. 
It's like we're like microbes 

628
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,100
trying to get from one dust mode
to another dust mode. 

629
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:36,200
Did you see the village of them 
by the way, like pad footage of 

630
00:35:36,207 --> 00:35:39,800
how like dark and crazy? 
It got it. 

631
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
It does, it's crazy cause it 
looks so violent and wild. 

632
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,500
It looks like a miniature 
tornado just for a minute. there

633
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,300
but at some of the footage is 
actually terrifying to imagine 

634
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,100
if you were obviously no one's 
around it at the time but it is 

635
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:58,100
not the amount of power that 
thing has yes, it's Yes, they're

636
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,700
actually we're really looking at
the like the Retro throat. 

637
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,900
We believe is the highest heat 
flux of any human-made object 

638
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,300
ever. 
Well, how does it survive? 

639
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Is it helped that Plaza has to 
go through a throat? 

640
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,600
Any, how does that throat? 
Not melt. 

641
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,900
That's crazy. 
And literally, how does it from 

642
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:23,400
a mastermind like film Cooling 
and regenerative doing? 

643
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Yes, keep getting cooled region.
It's like getting crazy to regen

644
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,900
Cooling and like we're flowing. 
Liquid methane at extreme 

645
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:35,700
pressure, 11,000 PSI through the
jacket at clothes ripping and 

646
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,800
then combine that with film 
Cooling and the best thermal 

647
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,500
barrier Coatings, we can come up
with but it's still shocking 

648
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,900
that we do not favor eyes, the 
throat of that engine in 

649
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,500
immediately, it's a heat 
transfer so insane, but that's 

650
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,400
what we live on a planet with a 
lot it with strong gravity and I

651
00:36:53,408 --> 00:36:54,200
freaked out. 
Sphere. 

652
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:58,200
So it's this is what's needed. 
If we were to become a 

653
00:36:58,207 --> 00:37:01,500
spacefaring civilization and 
bold based on the moon and the 

654
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:05,200
city on Mars and yeah 
multi-planet species which is I 

655
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,500
think a super exciting future 
and at a high level the super 

656
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:12,300
cool thing here is that hey this
thing kind of works and we're 

657
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,400
going to solve the issues that 
are remaining and we'll get it 

658
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,200
to all good. 
And we'll make it reusable. 

659
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:22,500
And that means that we have it a
real path here to get Humanity 

660
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,800
to Mars. 
It's also that's mind-blowing 

661
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:29,000
Ilana. 
I want to let other people talk 

662
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,600
here but I did want to say just 
on behalf of all of us, that the

663
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,000
production work that you guys 
put on like the actual show, we 

664
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,700
all greatly appreciate it. 
I think that was like one of the

665
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,900
most amazing launch coverage. 
Has I've ever seen and I think a

666
00:37:41,908 --> 00:37:44,100
lot of us were like hoping that 
you guys were going to give us 

667
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:47,500
cool angles and you guys by far 
exceeded the expectations. 

668
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:48,900
Yeah, I've greatly appreciate 
that. 

669
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,100
I think everybody else does as 
well. 

670
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:54,200
That sounds like you. 
You guys are most welcome and it

671
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,400
was a super appreciate your 
support and and always looking 

672
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,200
for critical feedback and stuff 
supported critical feedback is 

673
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,200
always extremely welcome. 
And at the end, thanks to help 

674
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
bring the public along for the 
ride because the other day. 

675
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,100
If we, the support of the public
is essential and it's also about

676
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,100
inspiring the public that 
they're always, like, things 

677
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:15,900
than world that are reasons to 
be like, sad about the future 

678
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,800
and say, but you need, but 
there's got to be things that 

679
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,300
you wake up the morning and 
inspire you and just be excited 

680
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,400
about the future of life. 
And this is one of them and you 

681
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
guys are key to conveying that 
to the public. 

682
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,900
So, thank you. 
You guys are doing it for us as 

683
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:29,500
well. 
So it goes both ways. 

684
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:32,700
Just a quick question. 
Christopher - are you looking 

685
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:39,600
for this next flight? 
Are you still deciding that one?

686
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Because no 25 is that nice isn't
it? 

687
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,200
I'm done if you're going over 25
or 28. 

688
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,200
I made a final decision on the 
ship, that's why I was referring

689
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,100
to Brewster nine. 
But I was somewhat, I did not 

690
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:53,800
mention the ship number, I know.
So it's a good catch there. 

691
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,400
Yeah, I think we'll probably 
make that decision at this this 

692
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,800
week, but I do we want, we do 
want to bet on success in the 

693
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,700
sense that if we get to orbit, 
it will be super helpful that 

694
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:07,400
try a deal good and see how 
well, the ship heat shield works

695
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:10,000
at you because we need to 
maintain control in Hypersonic, 

696
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,800
High heating regime. 
Then get through transonic and 

697
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:19,100
then maintain control away. 
Through a very wide array of 

698
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:23,200
micro regimes and so the vehicle
actually behaves differently 

699
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:26,900
with a radically different 
Heating and force at the various

700
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:29,600
mcroy coming back from like, 
roughly Mach 23 20. 

701
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,000
Yes, we do. 
I think we want to have that 

702
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,700
option. 
So I think we'll put a chiffon. 

703
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:38,400
That gives us that capability, 
but we haven't decided exactly 

704
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,100
what tripping over it should be.
Hey Ilan. 

705
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,000
This is a Michael sheets to CNBC
quick question. 

706
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,700
On the launched, our side of 
things. 

707
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,000
Have you catalogued damage to 
the equipment? 

708
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000
It looks like some of the tanks 
were hit by debris and there's 

709
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,100
quite a lot scattered around. 
Do you know can you give us like

710
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,400
a rundown of what you guys need 
to replace versus repair? 

711
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,100
We're going to be replacing a 
bunch of the tanks in the tank 

712
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,800
farm, but these are tanks that 
we want to replace. 

713
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Anyway, so the we're going with 
more of the vacuum jacketed 

714
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,100
giant, hot dog looking tanks. 
As opposed to the solute. 

715
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:19,900
Yeah, vacuum decade of giant hot
dog tag, so that those are in 

716
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:21,200
the best shape and those are 
what we want. 

717
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,700
Anyway, so some of the tax will 
be yet but probably removing and

718
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:28,700
replacing with the hotdog tanks.
The tower itself is in good 

719
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,100
shape. 
We see you know, Now ready for 

720
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,600
damage to the tower even though 
to get hit with some pretty big 

721
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,200
chunks of concrete. 
And yeah, then likes it will be 

722
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,500
installing the big water but a 
jacketed still sandwich thing 

723
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,900
under the pad of doing final 
prep on the next Brewster and 

724
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,900
ship and hopefully be ready to 
fly again in a couple months. 

725
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,700
Once again, excitement 
guaranteed success is not, but I

726
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,400
do think I'm cautiously 
optimistic. 

727
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,900
I think we've got this time. 
We've got a better than 50% 

728
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:59,200
chance of reaching orbit, so 
that would be incredibly 

729
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,200
exciting. 
Is that steel plate. 

730
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,600
The only thing that you guys are
implementing to reduce the 

731
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,700
amount of debris that gets 
everywhere or is other other 

732
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:11,800
fixes that you're considering to
fix that, but there's a bunch of

733
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,400
other things were doing. 
So this gave you a lot of Steel 

734
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,300
plating with. 
So not just underneath the 

735
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,200
directly underneath the, the 
rocket, but also extended beyond

736
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,400
that and also tying the whole 
structure in together with the 

737
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,100
legs which, which goat that 
those legs go down very deep and

738
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:30,000
then just in general what we 
want to have. 

739
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,100
Launchpad that over time 
requires a no refurbishment 

740
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,600
between flights, and that means,
obviously not throwing out 

741
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,100
chunks of concrete rapidly, 
reusable rockets and reusable 

742
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,400
launch pads. 
Exactly. 

743
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,400
Yeah. 
Totally on the launch site 

744
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
itself, it looks like it's 
little little bit off the pad 

745
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,400
instead of going like straight 
vertical, like Falcon does, was 

746
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,600
that part of the profile or was 
that because the engine 

747
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,800
failures, that's because engine 
failures. 

748
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,100
Yeah. 
All right I better sign up now 

749
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:03,600
but will be I'll do another 
update. 

750
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Once we resolve some of these 
questions, I'd be exact 

751
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,600
configuration of the next flight
and the upgrades to the launch 

752
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,700
pad and anything else. 
So probably In about three weeks

753
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,200
and I'll do another update and 
I'll let you know what we want. 

754
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,400
As always, I'm like that try to 
be like, tell people, like with 

755
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,700
a Good, the Bad and the Ugly, so
that it's like we were tell. 

756
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:29,500
You are dumb things that we've 
done and maybe some things that 

757
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,900
we think are pretty smart and 
and yeah. 

758
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:35,300
So yeah, he's going to your 
timing on. 

759
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,800
Get out of here and have a good 
Saturday night and thanks so 

760
00:42:37,808 --> 00:42:40,200
much for all the updates that 
you gave us and we love all 

761
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,100
these juicy details. 
So keep up the good work. 

762
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,700
We look forward to the next one.
You must welcome. 

763
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:47,600
I try to think of it. 
If I wasn't involved with this, 

764
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,800
what are all the things I'd want
to know. 

765
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,000
So I tried to tell you,