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Hey, everybody. 
Welcome back to the Elon Musk 

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Podcast. 
This is a show where we discuss 

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the critical crossroads, the 
Shape, SpaceX, Tesla X, The 

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Boring Company, and Neurolink. 
I'm your host, Will Walden. 

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So it's taken me a little while 
to record this episode, and 

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there are a few reasons for 
that. 

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One of them is I don't really 
like to do this and I need to do

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something that I don't enjoy 
doing, but I'm going to need to 

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ask for your help. 
One of the things that keeps 

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this podcast going is your 
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But I really need your help. 
I'm in a tough financial 

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So I'm going to start a pledge 
Dr. I guess, if you want to call

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it that. 
And first and foremost, I want 

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to say thank you to everybody 
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I love you guys. 
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And this coming from the bottom 
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without you. 
I've been doing this for four 

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years, almost 1000 episodes, 
almost every single day, new 

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Elon Musk news. 
And I've never really asked for 

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anything like this. 
So it's weird for me to come out

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and say this. 
And I also want to do it because

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I just need the help me to keep 
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love to do it in love alone, 
even though it's powerful, can't

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pay the bills. 
So I'm going to ask you for a 

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donation. 
I have a Venmo at Wil Dash 

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WALDON for any donations. 
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If possible, my bills for any 
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that. 
It all costs money and I do this

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for free and I've been doing it 
for almost 1000 episodes now. 

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I think I'm over 1000 episodes 
to be honest with you. 

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But the Venmo again is at Wil 
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Any amount helps. 
If it's a dollar, if it's $1000,

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if it's $1,000,000, whatever 
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So I want to say thank you in 
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to kick in and be part of this 
community and help the show 

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continue. 
Now, let's get into the real 

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news here because I think 
Starship is in a pretty tough 

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spot. 
I don't know if you've seen this

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in the news. 
If you're an Elon Musk fan, 

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you've probably seen this or 
heard about this. 

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But the last ship that was going
to be for flight 10 of Starship 

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exploded while it was testing. 
And Elon and company over SpaceX

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kind of have an idea what it 
was. 

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But that's a moot point because 
most of the next ships are 

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already being built and also 
block 3 ships which are more 

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powerful are already in the 
production. 

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And what happened when the ship 
exploded took out some of the 

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test facility too. 
So as of right now, Starship is 

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postponed until SpaceX figures 
out what they want to do next. 

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What's their next move? 
Will they test the same block 2 

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type ship because they already 
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Or will they just move on to 
block 3 because block two really

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isn't working out well for them 
and the FAA after three failed 

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attempts to land the rocket the 
the Starship part of the rocket 

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stage 2 in the Indian Ocean. 
Every single one of those, the 

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last three blew up and then one 
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SO4 blew up in a row. 
The FAA has to take a very close

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look at Starship right now. 
Is it worth it to continue going

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down the same Rd. for SpaceX and
Starship and Elon? 

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Go down the block to road and 
use the same ship and maybe 

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it'll work, but also the chance 
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So that's five failures in a 
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Not only did they fail with the 
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call it a red, a rapid 
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But also with the last flight, 
there's a thing, there's a Bay 

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door that was going to open for 
the Starling satellites. 

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There were dummy satellites that
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the Starship and they were going
to burn up in orbit and they 

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were going to do some testing on
them to make sure that 

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everything works right before 
they actually send real star 

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links into orbit. 
The Bay door didn't open and you

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got to think to yourself, if 
they don't know how to get a Bay

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door to work properly in space 
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why would they continue down the
same Rd. with the same ships 

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doing the same thing? 
It makes you crazy right? 

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If you continue to do the same 
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you're never going to move 
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So it looks like block 3 is 
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ready as far as the ships go. 
The boosters not in that league 

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yet. 
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the next few months, but this is
postponed Starship's advancement

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for months now. 
This also postpones the NASA HLS

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missions. 
If Elon Musk and SpaceX don't 

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prove this, Starship can a well 
just survive and B orbit the 

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Earth, and then it also needs to
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And then it needs to make a turn
towards the moon, fly to the 

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moon, orbit the moon, stay in 
orbit, and then land on the 

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surface of the moon without 
fail. 

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And for me, I love SpaceX. 
I think it's the most wonderful 

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thing that's happened to 
spaceflight since the beginning 

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of spaceflight, since Sputnik 
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intercontinental rockets, you 
know, it's rocketry started. 

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I think it's an amazing company,
and I think the people there 

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that work with SpaceX are 
amazing and I think they're 

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brilliant geniuses. 
But if they don't successfully 

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continue to launch Starships 
without incident. 

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Now, the booster that came back 
last time, there was an incident

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with the booster too, but that 
was determined beforehand that 

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was going to happen. 
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to blow up on its way back to 
the Gulf of Mexico slash 

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America, whatever you want to 
call it. 

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But if and so the booster is OK,
but the ship is the thing that 

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they really have to worry about.
I want to know if you're on a 

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podcast platform that has 
comments, leave a comment. 

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Let me know what you think, but 
I'm just rifling off at the cuff

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right now. 
And if SpaceX can't make it to 

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orbit, if they can't land a 
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they've landed plenty of 
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orbit the Earth and then come 
back to Starbase and land a ship

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and refuel it and reuse it, I 
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going to be dead in the water. 
This has happened before. 

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The N1 rocket that had a few not
successful launches, everything 

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blew up. 
It was a massive explosion. 

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But they canceled that 
immediately because things 

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happened and they were kind of 
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They wanted to make the world's 
most powerful rocket more 

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powerful than the Apollo 
program, but they just cancelled

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it because it was just too much 
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It cost too much and it's too 
dangerous. 

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So they just cancelled it all. 
And now considering Elon Musk 

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has the most money, the the 
money thing isn't a big deal. 

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He does have investors. 
You know, there's private equity

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firms and private people with 
billions of dollars that have 

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invested in SpaceX and Starlink 
is going to be making a profit 

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for the next foreseeable future.
So that's going to fund at the 

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Starship program and continue to
be a money sink if it doesn't 

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work. 
I have all the belief, I have 

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all the goodwill for SpaceX 
engineers, all the coders, all 

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the people that are building, 
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everybody that works at SpaceX, 
they have nothing but love for 

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them. 
But when is a good time to halt 

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progress? 
I don't think they should. 

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I think they should continue and
I think they should figure it 

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out. 
And it may seem like I'm a 

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doomsayer at this point, but I'm
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I'm really not. 
I really want this thing to 

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work. 
I really want SpaceX to move 

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forward with Starship and land 
some people on the moon again. 

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When I was a kid, there was a 
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There's also the Apollo program.
I caught sort of like the end 

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ish of the Apollo program. 
The Apollo program ended before,

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around when I was born. 
So that means that I was kind of

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an Apollo kid, but I was a 
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But I saw the reruns and I saw 
the documentaries on TV and I 

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read about it in books. 
So I know it's possible to go to

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the moon. 
I know it's possible for people 

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to do incredible things. 
But when you keep sinking money 

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into it, you keep sinking 
resources into it, and you don't

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get the result that you want, is
it time to move on to the next 

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version of Starship? 
My answer is it's it's difficult

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because if they move on to the 
next version and it doesn't 

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work, what do they do then They 
they just have to fix block 3, 

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which is a more powerful version
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And then they just work on block
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Because what black Black one was
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Black 2. 
They've had all these issues 

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with exploding rockets, 
exploding second stages and 

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Block 3 hasn't launched yet. 
So they don't know. 

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But should they cut their losses
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Because the Block 3 tower at 
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It's it's winding, it's coming 
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two before it's completely 
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And by that time, I think the 
hardware for Black 3 will be 

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mature enough that they could 
get it ready to launch when the 

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tower is maturing and getting 
ready to launch. 

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And but you have to remember the
first tower, which is still like

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that was a total test alpha, 
like the 0.000001, a alpha 

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version of the tower. 
That one took forever to test. 

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Now they're testing the strength
of the chopsticks, they're 

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testing, you know, the lift 
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all the speed, they're testing 
the infrastructure, and they're 

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testing the ground systems for 
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Should they get rid of the Block
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and just use the new tower? 
RIP down the old tower, Build a 

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new tower that's also in the 
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SpaceX has it's in. 
It's in their documentation for 

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Starbase that they can continue 
to produce new towers if needed.

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So it's a possibility that the 
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actually becomes the main pad 
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And then from there, they ripped
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They build it up to a Black 3 
tower, then they're back in 

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business. 
Now if the new tower doesn't 

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function properly with the new 
rocket, they're in a world of 

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hurt because what are they going
to do? 

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Then they have nowhere to go. 
They have nowhere to go because 

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it's Black 3. 
This is the final version 

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Starship. 
So there was block one, block 2,

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block 3. 
There's no talk of a block 4. 

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There's no nobody's ever said 
anything a block about a block 

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for Elon's like kind of joked 
about like a really huge rocket,

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like a double or triple size 
Starship, But that's not 

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actually a thing. 
So the, I think the the outcome 

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for Starship would be to move on
from block 2, maybe give it one 

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last whirl. 
I don't know. 

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Yeah, I think Block 3 is the way
to go though. 

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I think they have to RIP down 
that old tower, move on with the

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new tower and just move forward 
at Cape Canaveral with AV2 tower

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and you know, just keep building
new towers for Block 3 because I

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think that's the way to go. 
I think they have to ditch all 

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Block 1 and Block 2, get rid of 
them, but too dangerous and it 

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takes too much time. 
What they could do is finish 

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Block 3, stuff the tower in the 
rocket in a few months, you 

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know, maybe even six months 
tested. 

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You know, they have to finish 
the test facility again, have to

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fix it. 
There's no test facility down at

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Starbase anymore at the 
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Really. 
I guess they could test it on 

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the tower, but that's why they 
have the Massey's test facility,

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so they could test all the 
Rockets there and then move them

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down to the to the launch site. 
So I'm, I'm not 100% sure what 

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they're going to be doing, but I
think block 3 is the way to go. 

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It just makes more sense, you 
know, logistically thinking, I 

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think it makes more sense just 
to move forward, get rid of 

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block 2, go to block 3. 
I know I keep saying the same 

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thing, but it just makes more 
sense that way. 

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They take a lot of time and 
money too. 

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I mean, if block 2 keeps blowing
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they're they're risking FAA 
halting all launches of Starship

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if it keeps blowing up because 
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they're like, what are you 
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You know, what are you doing 
with your Starship is you're not

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do you're not accomplishing 
anything. 

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And it's dangerous for all the 
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and whatever. 
And there's debris in the ocean.

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They don't want all that stuff. 
They don't want that drama. 

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So the FAA would probably, you 
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them until they get it fixed. 
And if they don't get it fixed, 

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they could just put a hold on 
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Starbase until further notice 
until SpaceX can really prove 

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that it's fixed, that 
everything's fixed completely or

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they move on to block 3. 
So they might as well just move 

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on to block 3. 
And then if something happens 

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with that, then that's whatever,
you know, Then they fix that. 

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Then they finally have a rocket 
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they can refuel, they can go to 
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But if Elon Musk wants to make 
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window opens, they got to really
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like the end of June, it's the 
beginning of July soon. 

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And next year, they have one 
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they can make it to Mars. 
Now mind you, they don't have 

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to. 
They're not going to try to land

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the Starship. 
If they go to Mars, they're 

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going into orbit with a 
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So the booster will launch the 
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Starship will go into ORIS orbit
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tanker which will refuel it and 
then refuel it a few times and 

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then they're going to go to 
Mars. 

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After that, they point towards 
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If they can't get the Starship 
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way they can make it to Mars. 
It just, it just stops dead in 

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the air, you know, if they blow 
up again. 

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So if Block 3 can make it to 
orbit, I think they're set. 

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I think they're good, but I 
don't think Block 2 is worth it 

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anymore. 
I really don't. 

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It's not worth the hassle, not 
worth the money. 

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It keeps, you know, the sunk 
cost fallacy where if you just 

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keep putting money into 
something, it's going to work. 

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Just keep doing the same thing 
over and over and over, it's 

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going to work. 
Even if you know what the fix 

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is. 
Then why would you keep doing it

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though? 
Because there's only a few more 

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launches of Block 2 before Block
3 comes out anyway. 

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I think there's three maybe of 
block 2. 

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And like, why would they? 
Like they're not going to get so

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much data from those launches if
they keep blowing up. 

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They're not going to get enough 
data to even be worth launching 

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these things. 
Sure they get data on the way 

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up, but there's no data in like 
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into Earth's orbit. 
They haven't got into orbit yet.

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They've had orbital velocity, 
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orbit yet. 
So move on to block 3. 

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Hope it works. 
Make sure you take all the time 

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in the world to do every check 
every, you know, make sure 

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everything's tight. 
That's the problem. 

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Nothing's tight, everything he's
blowing up. 

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So make sure everything works 
and then from there, just keep 

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going with Block 3. 
I don't know, what do you think?

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If you have comments on your 
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I want this community to tell me

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Also, I have to ask you one more

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Walden with any sort of 
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I can continue doing the show 
that way and if you don't, I 

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can't tell you if I'll be able 
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So if you've been listening to 
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We're in dire straits here, 
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We might not be able to keep 
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So if you're a fan of the show, 
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So I. 
The technical aspects of 

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Starship didn't really want to 
get into them today because the 

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the idea of digging into the 
technical stuff, one, it's a lot

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to think about. 
Two, it didn't need to be said. 

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This is a a question of should 
we move forward with this 

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version or move into a new 
version? 

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That's it. 
Like it's nothing. 

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It's not rock. 
I mean, it's rock science, but 

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it's also not that hard, not 
that difficult. 

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Something doesn't work, you 
ditch it. 

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You pivot, right, move fast and 
break stuff. 

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It's the Silicon Valley way. 
Something doesn't work, Ditch 

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it, man. 
Go to Block 3. 

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Elon, you should know this. 
Anyway, let me know what you 

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think of the comments. 
Appreciate everybody and secure 

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Thanks for listening. 

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