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Hey there. 
It's Melissa. 

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Brunetti and welcome to the mind
your own Karma podcast. 

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Hey, their karma crew, oh the 
joys of recording at home and 

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not having an official recording
studio. 

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It is so great. 
They literally have been sitting

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here for 10 minutes, waiting for
the little Chihuahua. 

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Next door to stop barking. 
The motorcycles to stop going by

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and the airplanes or helicopters
to stop going overhead. 

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But that is not going to happen 
today. 

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That is not in the cards. 
And I cannot wait any longer to 

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tell you about what I am going 
to tell you today. 

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So here we go. 
I have realized recently with 

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being in the adoption community 
that there is so much lingo to 

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learn and you know, birth 
mothers or called BM and 

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adoptive parents or a peas and 
then there's late Discovery 

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adoptees. 
So you've got the lda's and 

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there's just so much along with.
All the acronyms and things like

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that. 
There are other words that come 

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up like the fog and I was in a 
Fireside adoptees Zoom meeting 

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today and there were some new 
people that had not ever been on

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the zoom call and so they were 
asking what the fog was because 

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that was what our discussion was
today was the fog and they 

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wanted to know what exactly it 
was. 

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They had no idea. 
So we're going to talk about 

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that today a little bit and let 
me tell you the discussion today

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on that Zoom call was fire. 
I mean, everybody had a story in

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a lot of people wanted to talk 
and just telling about how they 

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came out of the fog and what was
the fog to them? 

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And it's just different for 
everyone. 

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Everyone has a different 
experience and so it's so 

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interesting to listen to Because
if you are an adoptee there is 

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going to be somebody. 
That's going to say something 

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that you can relate to. 
Single time. 

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It's really the most awesome 
place for adoptees. 

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I'm so glad. 
We had some new people today, 

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and I really think they got some
good things out of the call. 

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So, if you're looking for a spot
to commiserate about being an 

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adoptee somewhere where you can 
talk openly about anything, and 

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everything, and fine 
like-minded, people Fireside, 

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adoptees on Facebook, is the 
place to be. 

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So, let's Jump Right In to what 
It is adoption fog and this is 

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just kind of my definition of 
adoption fog. 

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And I see it as an unconscious 
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denial or even ignorance that 
you have being an adoptee about 

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being traumatized by your 
adoption experience. 

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That either you don't realize 
it, you don't want to 

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acknowledge it but mostly it's a
subconscious thing. 

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Most of the time has adopted 
He's, we don't even know. 

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We're in the fog, we don't know.
And that's why it can be such a 

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slap in the face when that fog 
lifts and you are faced with a 

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lot of realities that you had 
not even realized were there. 

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So, how was talk about, how we 
even get in the fog in the first

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place? 
Well, I believe for myself and a

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lot of other adoptees and let me
just say a couple Caveat here 

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because some of the things I'm 
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isn't all my personal stories or
feelings, these are things that 

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people other adoptees have told 
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Or I have done research online, 
might be my personal Journey as 

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being an adoptee but not 
necessarily. 

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So let me just start with that. 
But how do we get in the fog? 

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I believe in the beginning when 
we are taken from our birth 

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mothers, that is where the 
trauma begins that abandonment, 

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that Primal wound that we Is 
talk about right then and there.

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So what happens to that little 
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We just go into survival mode at
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And what does it look like for a
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I don't really even. 
I can't even imagine, I can't 

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even imagine what takes place in
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when they're like, where's my 
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Where's my mother that I have 
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And They lay you in a bassinet 
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I interviewed one birth mother 
last month which she's going to 

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be on the show in January and 
she went to the nursery to see 

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her baby and all the babies were
just lined up and little 

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bassinets, just laying there. 
Nobody holding them, nobody 

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feeding them, nobody soothing 
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newborns. 
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yourself in that spot for just a
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So that little baby internalizes
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And there there's that Primal 
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and that physically mentally and
it gets coated in their cells, 

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in their body that trauma. 
And what is Look like as you 

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grow up, and what you'll hear 
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it causes all kinds of mental 
and physical tendencies in us 

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that we self-protect we 
self-soothe and it so it makes 

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us do and say certain things 
that we don't even know we're 

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doing because of the trauma. 
So I do believe that that fog 

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starts settling Ang in at that 
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The other thing that gets us or 
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generational and societal 
conditioning because we're told 

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our whole life. 
How lucky we are how great 

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adoption is how our lives are so
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That we were adopted how our 
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of this wonderful life and on 
and on and on. 

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And so we hear those things over
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Over and over again. 
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when we start questioning or 
thinking about our adoption 

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that, those feelings are not 
validated because everyone's 

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telling us you're lucky and 
we're like, then why do I feel 

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all these other things. 
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ourselves, we start feeling like
we're crazy that we shouldn't be

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thinking about those things or 
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And so we push them down, which 
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what we do because we want to 
survive and we want to be loved.

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And so we do the things that 
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these things. 
Make us not want to talk about 

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it because everyone's telling 
us, it doesn't matter that what 

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we're feeling doesn't matter, 
why are we feeling that way? 

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You know that we're wanted, and 
we were chosen. 

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And so what is there to feel bad
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There's nothing to feel bad. 
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So why do we feel bad? 
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the fog is like I said as babies
that self-protection we want to 

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be liked we want to fit in, we 
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have friends, all those things, 
make us retract and step back 

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from our feelings, as adoptees 
The message always is, what are 

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you upset about? 
There's nothing to be upset 

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about you were given the gift of
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And if you were raised by that 
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wouldn't have been so great. 
So what is the problem here? 

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Well, the problem is that we 
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been traumatized and were not 
being listened to, and we're not

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being validated. 
Did as adoptees with society. 

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And so we step back from society
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for us to reveal or show our 
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So we self-protect, we deny our 
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We go into survival mode and you
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is great. 
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come out of the fog. 
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into the fog, I would say, 90% 
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would love to go back in the 
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I would love to be in that 
denial state where I could wear 

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my mask and live life without 
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trauma and the grief and trying 
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it's just so much. 
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an adoptee, how difficult it is 
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It's like a slap in the face. 
A lot of times I've heard people

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say it's like being shot out of 
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It literally is like someone 
punched you and you're just like

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what just happened. 
It's like the, the blindfold has

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come off of your eyes and you 
cannot unsee what you have seen.

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You can ton feel what you're 
feeling any longer you have 

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ripped the lid, Off of that 
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and you are coming out of that 
box and you could try and slap 

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that lid back on and push 
everything back down. 

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But it is like a volcano at that
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Once you see it, it's coming. 
There is no stopping it. 

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You can try but it's not you, 
there's no way and it's like 

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that volcano is going to erupt 
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Arts. 
There's no stopping it. 

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I heard one adoptees say that 
their husband was nervous 

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because he was seeing all these 
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that she was trying to figure 
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came from and what her true 
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scared that he wasn't going to 
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And I just thought, you know, 
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scary is it for them to not know
who they are and to try and 

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figure that out? 
And what if they don't like who 

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they are? 
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Yes, there's casualties in 
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That are that are all around the
adopt D that do have to deal 

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with the adoptee trauma process,
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It's Difficult to watch because 
there's really nothing anyone 

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can do except validate, and 
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And even then a lot of times 
adoptees don't feel like they're

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being listened to. 
I've had adoptees. 

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Also say that in these adoptee 
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that they feel that people 
actually hear them. 

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And if you listen to my 
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she talked about in her book 
Look how her birth mother came 

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to visit and meet her adoptive 
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And they were in the car 
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Her birth mother back to the 
hotel when her birth mother and 

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her adopted mother. 
Each took one of her hands and 

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they were just looking at her 
lovingly like, isn't this great?

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And all I could think of was 
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And Danielle was like, thank So 
much for validating that only an

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adoptee would see it that way. 
Everyone else would be like, oh 

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my gosh, isn't this great 
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she's holding both Mother's 
Hands and this is such a great 

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moment. 
No, it is not a great moment. 

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I can't imagine how she felt 
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Horrible, totally horrible. 
I wonder if you can relate, if 

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you are not an adoptee and 
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now if you can relate to that 
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But anyway, back to the fog, the
things that keep us there or put

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us there is our life. 
In our experience from the day 

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we were taken from our birth 
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We were taught how to act and 
how to be and how to feel and so

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that is what our survival was. 
Whether it was truly coming from

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us. 
I bet a lot of adoptees would 

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say, no, I learned those things 
to survive, and it really 

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doesn't matter what adoptive 
experience, you had good, bad or

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ugly, it doesn't really matter. 
We all go through the Primal 

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wound and coming out of the fog 
and realizing that we have been 

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traumatized all this time and 
realizing why we do things. 

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Things why we say things and 
it's just a huge realization 

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that is blinding a lot of times 
and we can't even see where to 

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go from coming out of the fog 
and to this bright light. 

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That's really the truth now. 
Now what now, what do we do now?

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Where do we go? 
We've ripped the Pandora's Box 

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lid off and this eruption has 
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What? 
So those are just some of the 

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things that put us in Fog, what 
things bring us out of the fog 

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and he could be a lot of 
different life events. 

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It could be a marriage. 
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It could be the birth of a 
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It could be your reunions with 
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It could be someone that you see
in a crowd that even looks like 

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you, so it's just kind of odd 
things like that, that can Can 

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just rip that Veil off of your 
eyes to where you are, suddenly 

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in a tornado, just spinning out 
of control for me. 

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The fog was Engulfing my entire 
life, it wasn't just my fog of 

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adoption. 
It was my fog of every single 

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facet of my life and my 
Pandora's Box lid came off when 

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I could no longer. 
Keep my mask on anymore, the 

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mask was coming off. 
I mean, I literally couldn't 

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keep it on anymore. 
It was coming off and I was 

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exposed And it was either figure
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It was sink or swim, figure it 
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So I started swimming. 
And I think God figured out my 

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authenticity and it was painful,
it was super painful, because 

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along with it I was also lifting
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my marriage fog. 
Of myself my own fog and I had 

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created a whole Persona. 
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I was an actor in my own life 
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don't know where to start and 
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that maybe another time, but for
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the fog of my life and the key 
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If you're really going to boil 
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is discovering you. 
It's discovering your authentic 

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self and living it. 
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said this before, it isn't easy.
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adoption fog is not for sissies.
It is not for sissies, it's it's

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difficult and it's the most 
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probably have to do. 
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you will ever go through when 
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I'm not saying there's not 
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I've heard many of adoptees talk
about their casualties, it's not

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fun, you lose people, you are 
going to lose people and there's

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going to be people in your life 
that are going to be like when's

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Melissa coming back because I 
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So can you like hurry up and go 
through whatever it is that 

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you're trying to figure out 
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back to life? 
As I know I knew it. 

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Life being with you as I knew 
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Like I don't like the way things
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speed this process up. 
What do we have to do to get you

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back to what you were before? 
That's not going to happen. 

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When you come out of the fog. 
You are changed for ever. 

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You can't go back. 
You are going to have a new 

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sense of normal. 
The old normal is not coming 

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back. 
And there's some people that are

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just not going to like that and 
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okay. 
If they have to step away, then 

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they have to step away, but you 
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Also, which is becoming yourself
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And you're going to find out who
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You're going to find out who 
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going to surprise you who sticks
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you want to really break it 
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discovering yourself. 
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is a gift. 
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be you and figure out what that 
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The other thing I want to say is
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somebody out of the Fog. 
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themselves. 
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it. 
And you know what the fog works 

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until it doesn't. 
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conclusion, that it's not 
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you're going to live in it still
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adoptees wish they could go back
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easier back. 
There, it seemed and I didn't 

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have to deal with all this 
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thinking or finding out that you
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somewhat comforting as well as 
horrifying because then you kind

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of see yourself through a 
different lens in your like oh 

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the light bulb goes on and it's 
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that and you start making it all
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no clue or even part of being 
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that you don't have any scars 

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from your adoption that. 
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normal and dandy. 
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the fog in their mid life. 
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this, a lot of us adoptees have 
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before that, we would not have 
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of the fog. 
We were not in a mental, 

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emotional, physical. 
Physical state, we weren't 

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mature enough to handle. 
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coming out of the fog until we 
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And so that's when it was 
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when we can handle it and let me
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that are gripping, their 
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They are so traumatized. 
They are they are it's unreal to

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them that this was going on in 
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clue and it's shocking. 
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emotional people just break down
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From the trauma of being 
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And a lot of it goes back to the
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They feel from being abandoned 
by her and it's just heart, 

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wrenching, watching them grieve 
that this is another part of 

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them that they've kept hidden. 
A lot of us are not emotional 

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people. 
We keep that very close to our 

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chest. 
We can Be that vulnerable in 

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front of people as to cry in 
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It's not safe. 
And when we did it as a baby, 

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nothing happened. 
So we just stopped, we stopped 

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crying. 
So, crying doesn't get us 

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anywhere. 
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panties, and we just make life 
happen because that's what we've

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learned to do. 
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the birth mother and child 
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the fog is where you are found. 
If you are coming out of the fog

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just keep walking find a good 
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Find some like-minded adoptee 
groups to get in to talk about 

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it. 
Two people that understand that 

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have your back that you feel 
safe. 

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Talking to educate yourself, 
read books. 

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Listen to podcasts, about 
people's experiences. 

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And what kind of help is out 
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What help do you need right now?
You need to listen to yourself. 

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You need to listen to your mind 
and your body and just walk in 

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the direction that feels right. 
And I Promise you, the doors 

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will open. 
If you just start walking, don't

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stay stuck in the fog, 
acknowledge the grief and Trauma

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cry. 
It out, punch some pillows, do 

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whatever you have to do to feel 
the feelings, but don't stop 

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walking out of the fog because 
you are on the other side of the

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fog. 
And I I promise you, it gets 

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better. 
It's super painful, but it gets 

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better, it's not going to happen
in a day. 

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It's not going to happen in a 
week. 

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It's not going to happen in a 
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It might not even happen for 
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But there is hope and help out 
there for you to try and 

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navigate this road. 
Choosing to face your adoption 

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and whatever trauma that you 
have been through is not to be 

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judged by anybody. 
But you, that is so important to

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understand because there are 
people out there that do try and

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judge how dense the fog is for 
everyone else when they should 

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be looking at their own dense 
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And trying to figure out how to 
get out of there, but don't 

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worry about Any of that or what 
people say, or think or do, 

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because it just doesn't matter. 
People are going to have their 

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opinions, they need to keep them
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In mind their own Karma, you are
on your own journey and you are 

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the one that judges where you 
are at and how you're feeling 

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and what's happening? 
Everybody is different their 

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Journeys different because their
life has been different and 

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their experiences have been 
different. 

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So Do not. 
Let anyone tell you how you 

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should be feeling or what you 
should not be feeling. 

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I know this process can make you
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So lonely that you are the only 
one that's going through this. 

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But let me tell you, that is so 
far from the truth. 

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I had no idea how many groups 
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How much help is out there? 
How much counseling is out there

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for adoptees? 
And it's only the beginning. 

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The ball has just started to 
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All let me tell you. 
So, if you find yourself coming 

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out of the adoption fog, there 
are three things that I think 

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are super important that you 
should do first. 

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And of, obviously, the first 
thing is, if you are struggling,

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please do not hesitate to find a
good trauma therapist. 

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If you can find one that 
specializes in adoption, that 

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would be ideal if not just find 
a trauma therapist. 

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The second thing to do is find A
group that you can express 

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yourself in and feel safe doing 
so the last thing is educate 

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yourself. 
There's so many great books. 

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There are articles online about 
adoption trauma, start. 

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Educating yourself on the 
subject and what help is 

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available for you out there? 
If you are, an adoptee that 

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doesn't feel that. 
You are in the fog. 

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There are adoptees that will go 
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Feeling just fine and not 
feeling like they need to come 

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out of anything and that is 
totally fine to not. 

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Everyone is going to feel that 
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Don't let anyone tell you that 
you are wrong in that, if that's

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where you're at, then that's 
where you're at. 

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And you could be totally fine, 
your entire life and you may 

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never feel the trauma of 
adoption. 

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So there is no right or wrong in
how anyone feels in their 

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individual adoption Journey. 
That's a personal choice. 

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It's a personal journey and only
you know how you feel and where 

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you're at. 
So those of you that didn't know

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what the adoption fog was, I 
hope this clears up the fog a 

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little bit for you and so you 
can better understand what it 

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means when people are talking 
about the adoption fog because 

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it's a big deal in the adoption 
community. 

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So if you don't know, What it 
is. 

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You're going to learn pretty 
quick with the adoption fog is 

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next week. 
I think I might give some tips 

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and tricks on reunions and kind 
of give you my own spin on, 

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maybe some things that might 
help you if you are searching or

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if you are in the middle of 
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As you know, I think there needs
to be education on reunions and 

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expectations and Anything that 
surrounds that because most of 

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the time, there's always some 
bumps in the road if not totally

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driving off the road when it 
comes to reunions and taking 

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detours. 
So if you need any help with 

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that, or guidance or just 
curious about some things that 

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might help if you're thinking 
about reunions tune in next 

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week, if you are a regular 
listener to the podcast, I would

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ask you to please rate and 
review. 

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View this podcast on your 
listening platform. 

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It really helps the algorithms 
and helps me educate the world 

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on adoption. 
If you are anyone in the 

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adoption constellation, that 
would like to share their 

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stories on mind, your own Karma,
you can email me at mind, your 

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own Karma at gmail.com, and 
let's get your story on the 

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podcast. 
If you have written a book, if 

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you are a counselor a trauma, 
counselor, anyone that is doing 

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something to help. 
Help the adoptees through this 

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process. 
Please email me and let's get 

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you on the show. 
Let's get to the world educated 

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in the way we can do. 
That is putting our stories out 

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there. 
One story at a time, your story 

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is important and people probably
relate to 5,000 other adoptees 

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out there. 
You will be helping fellow 

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adoptees. 
Not feel so alone by telling 

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your story. 
Thanks for listening today. 

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And as always, take what you 
need and leave, what you don't 

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and always remember to mind your
own Karma. 

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I'll see you next time. 
Oh my gosh, Tomlin. 

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Are you serious? 
This is what I put up with guys.