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Hello there everybody. 
Today's discussion is going to 

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be on intimacy. 
A lot of you know that I'm an 

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intimacy coach and this means 
that I teach people how to 

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navigate intimacy not only in 
their romantic relationships, 

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but especially in their 
intrapersonal relationships, 

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which means your relationship 
with yourself. 

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And in turn, how this effects 
all the relationships 

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surrounding news, the 
relationships around yourself. 

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Today I want us to talk about 
intimacy, what it really is, 

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what it entails, what it looks 
like so that when you see it, 

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maybe you can recognize it. 
And how to curate your own 

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meaning for yourself so that 
you're able to share it with the

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people around you and in turn, 
experience and enjoy it for 

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yourself and in your other 
relationships. 

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When someone mentions intimacy, 
especially in my area code, I'm 

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from Nairobi, Kenya. 
Or maybe it's also wild over 

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phenomenon. 
When you mention intimacy, we 

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tend to think about sex, a 
sexual relationship. 

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That's what people think about. 
But today I want to separate 

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intimacy from sex so that you 
can see what intimacy really 

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means and what it looks like. 
Intimacy for me is a feeling of 

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trust and closeness and 
connection. 

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This is when you're able to 
exist, whether it is within 

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yourself or within other 
relationships, and create a 

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feeling of trust and closeness. 
So whatever helps you create 

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this feeling, brings about 
intimacy, helps you get 

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intimate. 
Intimacy can definitely be 

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cultivated and taught because 
even for me, I think I've been 

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avoidant for a very long time. 
Like my attachment style has 

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been very avoidant Kitambo, 
which means a long time ago I 

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used to be very anxious. 
I used to, you know, be clingy. 

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And I never had a lot of 
independence when it came to 

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relationships. 
But as I got hurt over and over 

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and over, I flipped the coin and
I turned to the other side where

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now I mean, also when I was 
being anxious, it stemmed from 

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me being hurt and neglected. 
But now me becoming very 

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avoidant was a response of OK, 
nobody's going to stay. 

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Nobody's going to love me the 
way I want to be loved. 

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So I'm shutting everyone out 
because everyone always 

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disappoints me and hurts my 
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I'm never letting this world 
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anyone come close enough to me 
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That was the beginning of my 
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I say this to bring about that 
intimacy can definitely be 

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cultivated and it can be taught 
because for me to learn to 

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enjoy, I had to teach myself and
then learn to recognize it in 

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other people. 
My avoidance tendencies were 

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always causing me to run away 
from anything that requires me 

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to be very vulnerable. 
And for you to exist in life, 

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you require a level of 
vulnerability, whether it's with

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yourself or with the people, 
people around you. 

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You have to show yourself your 
real face at some point so that 

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you're able to understand 
yourself and even love yourself 

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better. 
Without this, I don't think it's

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it's possible for you to love 
yourself fully, like at 100%. 

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So This is why it's important 
for you to understand why 

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building a very secure 
attachment style helps you love 

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yourself more. 
By the way, this podcast is not 

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majorly about relationships with
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Yes, it is a consequence of 
loving yourself, but my main 

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message always starts from self.
It's about you, it's about 

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yourself. 
It's about loving yourself 

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really, really well so that this
can translate into all the other

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relationships in your life. 
And a good way that I was able 

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to teach myself to recognize 
intimacy or to accept intimacy 

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or to even know that I wanted 
trust and connection and 

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closeness with myself and with 
other people. 

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First of all, I was surrounding 
myself with givers, people who 

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truly, truly loved me and saw me
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Being around them helped me 
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This wall of mine is not all the
way down, but I can say I've 

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made tremendous growth and huge 
improvements for the people 

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who've been in my life long. 
They know. 

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They know what I'm talking about
South, surrounding myself with 

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people who really, really, truly
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It was like a light bulb moment.
It was like, oh wow, if ABC can 

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love me this this way, if they 
can love me like this, if they 

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can truly show me I don't need 
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it comes to vulnerability and 
just being myself. 

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This means that I can show up 
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And being around these people 
taught me how to love myself, to

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see myself. 
And then over time, it just 

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translated in the way that I'm 
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Well, I'm still working on it, 
but I can definitely say I've 

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come a long way. 
I still have friends who 

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complain that I'm a hard not to 
crack like my colleague Jaguaro 

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on the dialogue, the Jaguar show
on YouTube. 

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We Co host, we host on the show 
together and he's always 

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complaining about we did an 
episode on friendship and this 

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is a very vulnerable 
conversation because in the 

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conversation I asked him do you 
consider me a friend? 

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And he said no. 
We've known each other for like 

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a couple years and of course by 
virtue of working together we 

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hung around each other a lot. 
And he's someone I consider a 

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friend. 
I will I will explain why I 

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consider him a friend in a bit. 
But I told him yes, I do 

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consider your friend. 
And he said no, I don't consider

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your friend. 
This is because our definitions 

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of friendships are not the same.
But he explained to me why he 

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doesn't consider me a friend. 
It's because of my avoidance. 

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He said I'm such a hard nut to 
crack. 

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He never knows anything about 
me, he never knows anything 

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about my life. 
He doesn't know what I have 

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going on, what I'm thinking, 
what I'm doing. 

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And for him to consider someone 
a friend, that's a very integral

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part of like life. 
And it makes sense to me. 

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It makes sense why he would say 
he doesn't consider me a friend.

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But for me, my reason for 
considering considering him a 

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friend is because I don't even 
hang around people I don't 

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trust, like even work wise, like
with a colleague, if all we're 

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doing is walk, I'm going to come
and walk and I'm going to leave 

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and go do other things, put my 
energy in the people and the 

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things that I trust and feel 
very close to. 

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I'm not very I don't open up 
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You might say, Oh my God, but 
you tell us everything on the 

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podcast. 
Well, yes, I trust this channel 

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to speak my mind because I don't
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outsiders onions telling me, Oh,
I had this about you. 

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I had, but it really matters to 
me the people that I, I'm 

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surrounded with, like in very 
close proximity especially, I 

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care about the opinions of me. 
I care about like for example, 

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my mother or even my best 
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I care if they have something to
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Like if they told me, you know, 
this is what you did or this is 

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how you look like. 
I really care about their 

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opinions, not just criticism, 
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Me being around Jaggero and me 
telling him all these things I 

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tell him and all the time we 
hung out and all that, you know,

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we open up to each other. 
I open up to him. 

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I think me in from my opinion, I
see it as the fact that I'm even

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able to be around you already 
that qualifies you as my friend.

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Because I don't hang around many
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I don't hang around people at 
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I'm always by myself or with my 
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If I'm not with my mom, I'm in 
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And you could say, yeah, we hung
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colleagues. 
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I don't know if there were 
other, if we weren't colleagues,

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if we'd be hanging around each 
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But my point is when I was 
answering that question, I truly

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feel like he's someone I can 
talk to, someone I can go to 

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fulfill something, but the 
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That's not something he feels 
about me. 

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And I completely understood what
he was meaning or what he was 

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trying to say. 
People have different 

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definitions of friendship and 
intimacy for themselves and this

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is very much allowed. 
So he said I'm I had not to 

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crack. 
But in in my defense, it's just 

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a trauma response. 
I truly believe it's a trauma 

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response from me being able to 
recognize patterns, like I'm 

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able to see the trajectory of my
relationship with other people 

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even before tufiq embalina 
dranga uyuta, chakangala Shana. 

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So I completely understand. 
But with this circle of mind 

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that I've curated for myself, 
there's so much consideration, 

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gifting, thoughtfulness, 
forgiveness, kindness. 

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And it is from them that I've 
been able to learn, like from 

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the people around me that I've 
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And slowly I'm starting to come 
out of my shell and I'm starting

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to boom and just be open. 
So hopefully in a while, Jaguar 

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will be able to to consider me a
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Not that it's a requirement, 
it's just, I think it's, it's a 

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safe space to create for someone
that you're working with or 

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you're hanging around with so 
much and you know, you're doing 

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something together. 
It's like the projects we do are

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our babies. 
And I would love for us to be 

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able to, you know, create with 
love and send love and good 

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energies out there so that even 
when you're watching us or when 

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you're consuming anything that 
we're doing, you're able to see,

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Oh my goodness, these people 
really, really give a fuck about

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not just what they're doing, but
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So I thought about discussing 
intimacy, like I said, because a

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lot of people think intimacy 
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And this Changi has a lot in why
people have a lot of random 

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reckless sex because there's a 
feeling they're chasing that 

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they think this feeling of 
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they will get it from sex. 
They fail to realize that you 

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have to cultivate the intimacy 
even before you reach mombosa 

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sex like before at a kukuena 
specia kusama I am horny or I 

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wanna bang. 
It has to, you have to have 

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created a safe space of 
closeness and, and intimacy. 

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And the reason I brought this 
topic up is because I won't say 

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when, but there's a time I was 
with someone I really, really 

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like. 
We were hanging out. 

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We were watching Netflix and 
just, you know, eating snacks 

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and hanging out. 
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Our decision not to have sex was
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I mean, we could have if we 
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We did want to. 
It was like me, we had 

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intentionally decided not to 
because of the state of our 

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emotional health. 
I mean, we were reconnecting 

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after a long time physically. 
Rather, both he and I did not 

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want our reunion to come from a 
place of I'm horny and This is 

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why you're here. 
I mean, that is part of us 

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hanging out with each other, but
that was not the main reason why

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we're hanging out with each 
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So it was very important for him
to show me like, hey, I didn't 

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bring you here to sleep with 
you. 

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I brought you here because I I 
actually value your time and I 

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value your friendship and I 
really care about you. 

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And I discussed this in one 
episode on also dialogues of 

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Jacquero. 
And in the comments guys were 

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saying how can you hang out with
someone you like so much? 

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I almost said you're in love 
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Maybe I'm in love with him, but 
how can you hang out with 

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someone like that And you know, 
you don't touch each other. 

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You don't even try to have sex. 
The reason is consent and 

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respect. 
The reason is there is so much 

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beyond sex. 
There is so much friendship and 

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intimacy and that's exactly what
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We wanted to be close to each 
other, to trust each other 

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again, not just to bang and then
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Feeling like I was used or him 
feeling like, oh, I don't know 

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how men normally feel after sex.
Maybe they feel relief like oh, 

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Fuchs, I got that I'm just 
assuming, but that's not the 

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feeling we were chasing. 
And for him to be cognizant and 

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even, you know, hold back 
because let me tell you, Mimi, I

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was ready if if he said let's do
this, I was gonna do it. 

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But for him to be able to hold 
back and in turn me to follow 

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his lead and understand that he 
doesn't want to make me feel 

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those feelings of I've been used
or because let's face it, if the

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sex is not consensual or if it 
was not discussed beforehand, at

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least for me, I normally feel 
like I've been hoodwinked, like 

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this was not the plan, this is 
not what we discussed, this is 

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not what I wanted or intended. 
So when it happens, even if I do

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it consensually, I always leave 
the situation feeling like wait,

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wait, wait, wait, hold up, Is 
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wanted? 
So just being able to hang out 

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with each other and feel close 
and talk and share and laugh and

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share snacks and watch something
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That's such an amazing way of 
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And this means a lot to me 
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the times as a woman, when 
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sex is always at the back of the
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front. 
It's always being taught about. 

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It's always the thought is 
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So I truly appreciate when I'm 
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and that's not their agenda. 
Any they're not, that's not what

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they're trying. 
Any they're not hungry and 

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reckless and just trying to get 
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They actually care about my 
emotions. 

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They care about my comfort, 
about consent and about how I 

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feel about the whole situation. 
Of course, we we touched a bit 

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and we kissed and we were 
cuddling and there was some, you

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know, just talking, laughing and
sharing food. 

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It I walked out, I walked out of
that situation feeling even more

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in love. 
The respect that I had for him, 

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it skyrocketed. 
The love and the admiration that

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I had for him is skyrocketed 
because he showed me he has 

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self-discipline. 
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Oh yeah, anyone can can pretend 
so that to give you that feeling

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of security. 
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or not, the fact that he even 
cared to respect me enough to 

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just make sure that the creating
a feeling of trust and closeness

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minus the sex, just that that's 
enough for me to feel respected 

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and honored and like my body was
being very much respected. 

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I speak very, very highly of 
this person because of who he is

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as a person. 
This is not a gimmick, or at 

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least I don't think it's a 
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But the safety that I gathered 
from that and the comfort and 

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the reassurance, it just gave me
so much confidence and 

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excitement for life. 
I left that place feeling like, 

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you know, that feeling of 
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I felt like I'm falling in love 
over and over again. 

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But here's the catch. 
Not even with him, but with 

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myself, in the way he respected 
me. 

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He honored the the promises that
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It made me fall in love with 
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And the next day, actually for 
the next week after that, his 

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smell was still in the air 
somewhere in my, in my, I don't 

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know if it's in my hair or in 
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But smelling like him just 
proved to me that intimacy 

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lingers beyond words. 
His care, his softness with me, 

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him being gentle, him caring, it
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That's just one example. 
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female friends while I'm with my
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My girlfriends are very 
intentional with the way we love

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each other, the way we celebrate
each other, the way we treat 

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each other. 
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As I'm sitting there recording 
this, I'm looking at some 

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shopping my mum has done for me.
And it's not that she's a tea, a

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tea, we have everything so she 
can do shopping for me all the 

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time. 
But it's just such a loving 

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gesture. 
It's a gesture that comes from, 

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it's not something that I don't,
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I mean, the love it just you can
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It comes from someone wanting to
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And so they do it because they 
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And this simple act, it's not 
simple and you can say, oh, 

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she's your mother, she should do
it for you. 

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But I don't take it for granted 
because this act of selflessness

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and love that comes from the 
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It has it has left me feeling so
grateful and like I'm more in 

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love and not just in love with 
my mom, but more in love with 

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myself because I'm able to 
think, oh wow, I'm so deserving 

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of all these good feelings. 
I'm so deserving of all these 

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nice things that people do for 
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And it's because I also do these
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I also also show up for people 
in, if not in the same way, in 

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the ways that they would like 
for me to show up for them. 

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So this is just like a comic 
debt. 

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It's just repayment of the way I
show up in the world. 

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The world is showing up for me 
in the same way with my female 

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friends. 
We go out to nice restaurants, 

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we eat nice food, we send each 
other flowers, we cook for each 

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other, take care of each other 
while we're sick. 

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This is what intimacy is, this 
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You know how we treat each 
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It's so easy for me to go and 
cry to my friend and tell her 

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this is what I need or this is 
what I'm going through. 

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Why? 
Because we've already cultivated

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such a safe space for love. 
And you see, these feelings are 

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without sexual intimacy, they're
without sex. 

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These feelings are not stemming 
from ATV fucked each other, 

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they're stemming from I care 
about you. 

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And so I'm going to do something
nice for you so that you feel 

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loved and cared for. 
It goes a long way when someone 

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makes you feel very secure and 
it have us so much respect and 

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admiration. 
Intimacy breaks down walls and 

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helps you face and confront all 
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It never just it's never just 
about like wanting sex more of 

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feeling very cared for and very,
very loved. 

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So today I'd like for you to 
workout of this discussion, 

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thinking about what intimacy 
means for you and how you can 

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create intimacy for yourself 
within yourself. 

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What are some of the things you 
do for yourself that help you 

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feel more comfortable and more 
able to be vulnerable and just 

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able to love yourself and fall 
in love with yourself more? 

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Because before expecting it from
other people, I know I said 

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other people have helped me do 
it, but it becomes your sole 

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responsibility to ensure that 
you're able to enjoy being 

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intimate with yourself. 
Some of the ways that I do this 

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for myself is that I treat 
myself really, really well. 

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I care for myself. 
I wash myself, I clean myself, I

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cook for myself, I feed myself, 
I pay my bills on time, I walk 

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for myself, I take care of 
myself. 

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I love myself so much and it 
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It shows in the way I am, in the
way I take care of myself.

