Welcome to Dear Social Worker Let's Talk Podcast, the podcast
that prioritizes you, the person behind the title.
Social Worker. You already know me, but I'm
going to introduce myself again. I'm the host, Lisa Rand Edwards
and I'm here to encourage and inspire your personal
development, promote your wellbeing and leadership
development. I transition from over a decade
in children's social work to founder of the social Work
Coaching hub.com, where I offer Trauma Informed coaching,
leadership development, coaching books and events for social
workers. Today's podcast is for all
social workers, even if you're just thinking about entering the
social work field. And this is episode 15 and it's
untitled because it we are having a very, very special
guest today. I've never done this before.
So this is going to be exciting for all of you today who are
going to be listening because we have the outspoken, the
talented, the hat wearing true brother of mine who we've met
many years ago in contact. And as you'll see, I'll be
wearing my hat to represent you today.
We have the resilience, coach Jamie.
Well, what an introduction. There's no pressure to live up
to it or anything. Appreciate that.
Thank you so much. It's great to have you here,
Jamie, and thank you for taking time out to to speak with all of
us today with our social work community.
I reached out to Jamie and said, I need you, Jamie, because our
social workers out here, we are really up against it.
You know, we're up against it for mental health.
We're up against it in terms of how we're managing our
well-being. We're up against in terms of our
mindset. And there's so many social
workers reaching out to me saying, you know, your podcast
has really helped me. It's given me an outlet for my
anxiety. It's really helped me think
about this or think about that. So I was like, you know
something? What we need to do is have
somebody on here who is known as a motivational speaker to
encourage and inspire you. Welcome to the DX Social.
There we go. Well, I go around the country
and I speak in many, many different settings, environments
into many different organizations.
One day I can be speaking to primary school children,
comprehensive school children. The very next day I can be
speaking to murderers, rapists, Category A, sex offenders in a
prison. So I go into schools, colleges,
universities, youth offender institutes, prisons.
I will go into the corporate world.
I go into the sports. Professional sports field.
And what I realize is, is I'm dealing with human beings, but
there's a common thread that runs along a lot of them.
Now when I'm looking in schools and I'm seeing the teachers
really, really suffer in this particular field, I'm seeing
social workers that are truly, truly suffering.
When I speak to the police, when I speak to paramedics, when I
you know you, you see it in many, many different
demographics. So there is this element of
suffering. There's a pressure that's
weighing down on us that I would say we've never experienced
before because there's things that happening that we've never
experienced before. It's like when I speak to the
youngsters in like schools and colleges and universities, I say
listen, I wouldn't want to be a teenager in today's day and age
for love nor money. Because back in the day that I,
I had the problems, like we had the problems back in the day.
But we had this resilience and it was kind of like an even
fight. Nowadays we've got this
heightened pressure. That's on us.
Everything that's on us. Everything to do with
self-image, paranoia, the stuff that messes with our well beings
social media. Technology stuff, everything
that messes with our, with our emotional, psychological and
mental well-being has gone up. But what I'm seeing is this
natural old school dogged resilience that our nans and our
granddads, our moms and dads had have all of a sudden dropped.
So there's the problem. So I can't do anything about
today's day and age like what's in society and what we're
dealing with. But that's why I help people
like, bring up their resilience. And what's my background?
My background is I first got into speaking because back in
2012. My 19 year old nephew was
murdered by by a 14 year old boy and I decided to use my talent,
my words to go out there and use my words to help people.
Now I was getting feedback back from the people that I was
speaking to about how it was helping with their emotional and
mental well-being. So the emotional and mental
well-being element took on extra significance for me.
When back in 2020, during the first big lockdowns, the
youngest of my two older sisters took her own life during
lockdown. So I I know what this thing is
now, and this is what I need to bring to people.
I need to bring to people the element of listen, this is, this
is no joke. This is no joke.
In what we're dealing with, like there is the thing out there,
emotional, psychological and mental. well-being.
Like there are testing challenges that are being bought
to us that wants to take us out of the game and really, really
take us down. It's like fighting a massive
opponent in the boxing ring and and and and it wants to take our
head off. So we have to have this
authentic way of thinking of right, what what?
What is it? What is it I'm up against?
I need to put it into context. I need to know who my opponent
is, but I need to know that I am literally in the fight and and I
can fight back against it. That's why you have to activate
your dog, right? You have to activate the dog
inside you. Now, everybody loves a loyal
Labrador. Everybody loves a little cute.
Wow, everybody loves the big fluffy Chows.
But what you have to do is you have to activate the malanoid
that's inside you. Now this thing is inside you.
Why? Because we come from a blood.
Line of Malinois, right. We have generations that have
gone through many, many difficult things.
It's like we may find ourselves sometimes in a trench like we're
we're in the trenches. Like I've literally heard that
that that that terminology used so much.
But we have to remember that there are family members that
literally back in the days, like in the 1930s and the 40s that
were literally in the trenches. Now the trenches it's not.
It's not a glitzy and glamorous environment in which to be in.
But that place gives us an opportunity.
It's an opportunity to win battles, to win wars.
And it was the place where heroes were made.
So if you find yourself in a particular trench that you you,
you have to know that it's an opportunity to win a battle, to
win a war and to literally become a hero.
So by activating this dog, activating this Malinois.
Now, I don't know whether you've ever seen this dog or videos of
this dog. There's, there's, there's videos
on YouTube, there's videos on the Internet of A.
Guy and he's bent over, stood in front of a 20 foot wall and this
dog jumps on his back and scales the wall.
This thing is like a missile on four legs.
It will literally fly across lakes, fly across rivers.
It's so it's so strong. It's not the biggest of dogs but
it will takedown a 17 stone man like he's a rag doll.
So this is what you have to have to activate because this problem
that's coming to you like this anxiety, this worry, this
stress. Like when it's when when it's
crumpling your chest. When it's literally grabbing
your throat. When you're literally gasping
for air. When you.
Think that there's no hope when you think that everything around
you is dark and and it's not going to get any better.
You need to know that you need to fight back against this
thing. You can't go into it half
hearted, you can't go for it. Now there's this video that's on
YouTube that I uses like an analogy to this now it's a it's
a it's a group of these hunters in America and they've got these
pack of dogs and they've got this massive wild boar backed up
against, backed up against the riverbed right, right.
Backed up against the riverbank and it's in shallow water and
these three dogs are surrounding.
Ending this wild boar and they're barking a lot, they're
making a lot of noise. They're kind of just nipping at
the at the boars feet, it's nipping at his ears, it's
nipping at his side. But they're not doing what
they're supposed to do. And the hunters get a little
bit, a little bit frustrated with this.
And what they do is they let the Pitbull go and the Pitbull goes
like laser guided focus bang in one.
In in in One Direction like an arrow and it goes bang straight
around the bore stroke. It takes it down within 15
seconds and it gets the job done.
Why do I use this? I use this because there is
something that's in front of you that needs to be taken down or
it will take you out. It will literally knock you out
and take you down, take you out of the game.
So you need to go at it like a laser guided focus.
Don't run away from the problem. Know that it's there.
Know that this, that this opponent has turned up.
Respect it, but do not fear it. Because a lot of people go into
that state of fear, false evidence appearing, real, false
evidence appearing right, and they're fearful of this thing.
You have to respect it. Absolutely.
Because it's turned up. It's turned up for a Ding Dong,
it's turned up for a fight, but you need to run towards it and
you need to grab it by the throat and you need to take it
down quickly. You need to take it.
Out of the game. So yeah, these problems and
these stresses, I know that people were up against them, but
a lot of people will, will, will won't fight back.
They, they, they want to stay in the Labrador mode, they want to
stay in the Chihuahua mode or the Chow mode.
But you need to activate this Malinois because you need to
understand, remember where you come from, a bloodline of
malinois that have been through problems and you've got it
inside you. You just need to activate it.
On that note, they mean the fire started already, that I hadn't
even asked a question. Really.
As I said, introduce yourself. This is why I've got Jamie here,
because there's moments in time, as also social workers, we know.
And if you've been listening to me, you know I've got over 10
years working with local authorities.
We need this kind of motivation. We need this kind of
inspiration. And I know that Jamie is the man
for the job. I want to.
I want to pick a few things out of what you said there.
I'm just going to mention one name and one thing that this
person mentions. Doctor Eric Thomas.
Wow. Now Jamie and I, we, we've
bonded under over several things, but the one thing we do
we talk about is Doctor Eric Thomas.
If you haven't heard and you don't know, you need to get to
know. He trained me directly to be one
of his, what they call extreme execution coaches, and I was the
first in the UK to be trained by him.
But the point I'm making here is around the word execution,
because that was the word that came out when you were speaking
there. Because for social workers and
getting a little bit into detail, into some of the things
we face, there's always something to do, right?
There's always case notes to write up.
There's always a call that needs to be made.
There's always an e-mail to respond to and that creates a
lot of stress and overwhelm to an extent, of course, that
naturally that's understandable, but something that you mentioned
there around fear and false evidence appearing real fear.
There's something about fear being a undercurrent in the
social work field for various reasons.
It could be that you've come up against a particular
professional or a parent or you you've received threats that it
could be anything, right? But what I want to focus on
today is about the mindset shift.
The mindset shift. And those are conversations you
and I have all the time, Jamie, about mindset.
Let's think about and let's let's think about how we can
encourage the social workers through mindset shifts.
And what have you seen through your resilience coaching around
people that are in a state of fear, a place of fear, a place
of lack. You're needing to move and shift
their mindset, as you say to get that dog to execute, as that's
Eric Thomas would say. Well, I I kind of bring a.
Within the sporting field you will hear a terminology a bit of
terminology or a phrase used a lot But also in like the
corporate world to do with performance that you need to
bring your A game right. You need to bring your A game.
But I talk to people about bringing their our game right
and that our game really does help them right with this
mindset shift and it stands for different things.
So the are is the reason, the reason you have to remember the
reason why you are doing this, what what you are doing this for
because me I'm very. Passionate about protecting the
young ones, protecting their minds, protecting their hearts,
protecting their emotions, their well-being.
Because I I'm, I'm in a position where I'm a grown adult and I'd
like to protect the younger ones, the weaker ones, the
littler ones. It's always been inside me so.
That, that, that. There is a reason.
You have to remember the reason why you're doing this, why you
have to make that extra call. Why you have to fill in that
form. Why you chose this job in the
1st place. Why, why, What did that?
And the reason is the protection, the protection of
the little one, protection of the younger ones, protection of
the vulnerable, protection of the weak.
You, you, you literally chose this profession back in the day
for a reason. Don't forget that reason.
It's why people like when when you look at relationships and
you look at. Marriage is kind of breaking up
now. I've been through this twice,
I've been through two divorces, so I can speak from personal
experience. But people lose the sight of why
they fell in love at the 1st in in the 1st place and why you
love that person so much and all their good qualities.
Like you're just focusing on the here and now, and you're
forgetting to remember so. So remember your reason.
And no matter how hard things get for me and I have to get up
and I have to perform, I have to go and do 5-1 hour talks in a
day. And and literally I will say to
people, listen, the last five minutes of the 5th talk will
will still have the same amount of energy, the same amount of
passion and fire as the 1st 5 minutes of the first talk.
I cannot let it slip. No matter what I'm going
through, no matter what heartbreak I've got, no matter
what grief is going through me, no matter how many miles I've
traveled, all that stuff. Is your form, all that?
All that stuff that I've got is that phone call you've got to
make. Listen, it's it's a it's a you.
You're putting forward a reason as to why you feel down and
exhausted. But it is no excuse if your mind
still works, your arms work, your heart still pumping,
listen, you've still got air in your lungs.
You can get that thing done. And the reason why I still
perform is is, is is. My reasons are strong.
My children I've, I've, I've got to show them by my action.
That they can do exactly the same.
Because this may sound silly coming from a professional
public speaker, but talk is cheap.
You have to back it up with your act, your words.
So your reason, the reason, the person that has a strong enough
reason will overcome any problem perfectly, said Jamie.
Perfectly said. I'm going to throw something in
here that you'll you'll resonate with, Excuse me?
You'll resonate with for several reasons.
The reason some social workers come into certain certainly with
the social workers that I coach particularly, there is an inner
child that they're protecting and that's why they've ended up
in the social work role. And whilst they're out there
protecting others, there's another element where in essence
they are re parenting and parenting their inner child.
And I know you've had experience of of that and that's how you
had your title The Grief Preacher in in the early days of
you speaking and I'll know you still do that.
What's your take on people that have perhaps lost their reason?
Because the reason actually is about them finding a space of
healing through the the work, yeah.
I mean, although they may have forgot their reason.
It still doesn't give the excuse not to find it.
Like is that. Yeah, it may.
It may take a little bit of work, right.
And I use this analogy that if there was, if there was like,
listen, if there was a jewelry store, nobody in it but
literally, right. It's all kitted out.
It's still got all the products in it but there.
But no one, but no one was inside it.
And there was a big massive Wrecking Ball like a big crane
next to it, and that building was going to be demolished and
it literally swung the ball and it smashed it, it and.
And it leveled the building, and it's totally destroyed now.
No one was in it. No one was hurt.
But if that pile of rubble was there, would you go searching
through the rubble, all the debris, to find the diamonds
that are in there? Of course you would.
You, you might have to hurt yourself, cut yourself.
You may get injured lifting up all the bricks, lifting up all
the debris, lifting up all the carnage.
But you'll find that diamond that's worth 50 grand.
You'll find them diamonds that are, that are valuable and worth
so much money. So you will go through.
And sometimes in life, if you forgot the reason, you have to
dig, you have to dig deep. You have to dig through the
debris in order to find the diamond and that diamond.
The reason? Is priceless.
The reason is priceless. So how do they dig?
How do they dig through the debris?
Because I know there'll be some social workers thinking, you've
got no idea. I've got 200 e-mail unanswered
emails here. How do I dig?
Well, they literally look within themselves and they ask
themselves the questions. What's important to you?
Why? Listen, they they they know why
they started this job in the first place.
Did they did they think that they were going to come into
this job and they were only going to answer 5 emails a day?
Did they did they think they were only going to take 10
emails a day? And I, and I don't want this to
sound harsh, but a lot of people, you know, what you're
getting into, you know, this kind of environment, you know
that it's like people that want to defend the country they
wanted, they they want to bat when they want to defend a
country, but then go in going going into that environment and
saying, oh, there's bullets flying.
I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't want that. I didn't want that.
So you have to literally this the simple questions ask
yourself why you started this back in the day.
How did it make you feel? Why did you want it so much?
What's important to you in life? Because because we're not
talking to zombies here. Like we're not talking to people
that haven't got a life. Life experiences things that
they love, things that they don't care about, or people that
they care about, that those that that there is, is, is is the
content of. Of the answers that you've got,
that that there's the answers. That's the content need.
So why did I start this? Who's important to me?
What's important to me? What's my passion?
Who is relying on me? Because I say that I've got to
go out there and I've got to do these talks and I've got to turn
up because there are people in the future that are relying on
me. I've never pause, pause, pause.
You. You've got a pause there.
There's people in the future that are relying on you.
Elaborate. Elaborate.
There's there's there's some little kids in a primary school
somewhere that I've never heard of, Jamie Dean, never heard of
the grief preacher that I've never heard of this man, and
they are going through the trenches, but I'm going to be
going to their school in the future.
And I'm going to go and I'm going to change the game.
Why? Because what drives me, what
what? What drives me is the G of the
game that that I have to give. You have to give of yourself, no
matter if you don't feel like giving.
And I can remember about 10 months after my nephew was
killed that there was a talk that I was going to do and it
was coming up. It was booked in.
But I wasn't feeling it this day because I was still going
through the darkness. I was still in the pit.
I was still suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, all
this stuff. And I was suffering from
hardship. But I.
Up I went and done this talk. Right?
I've done 3/1 hour talks on this particular day for 14 year olds
that were going to do their exams and I got the feedback
back from this one particular student that was the first of
its kind. I have got many, many more since
just like it, but it blew the roof off of me.
It blew my mind because at the end of his e-mail he said thank
you for everything you said today.
You've not only changed my life, but you saved it.
Because tonight I was planning on taking my own life and you've
stopped me today. So Can you imagine if I didn't
turn up just because I was exhausted and because I was
going through the darkness and because I didn't feel like I had
to give of myself at that time and I didn't know that that boy
was relying on me. So there is this element that
you, you, you, you have to understand that you're in a
position of a real blessing. A blessing.
It is hard. No, no, no blessing comes
without its hardship. No, no positive comes without
its negative. In youth, yin Yang sign, the
black and the white and and and on each side you've also got a
little dot of the corresponding color in any look for the
positive. Yeah, that's amazing.
That's it. That's it.
That's the good way of looking at things.
But what you have to understand is in any positive, there is an
element of negative, an element of struggle.
Nothing is 100% positive. So in this job where you are
protecting the week, where you're protecting the
vulnerable, where you're looking after their well-being, where
you're pulling, you're going to be pulling the little ones out
the trenches. Yes, that's an unbelievable
blessing. You're like a superhero.
You might not wear a Cape, you might not wear a mask, and you
most certainly might not wear your underwear outside your
tights. But that doesn't mean to say
that you are not a superhero. You need you.
You will bring them out of a darkness and into the light.
So you have to know that it's a responsibility.
Yes, you got a great responsibility.
It's a it's a great privilege, it's a great blessing.
But it does come with its weight.
But you will never, ever, ever get stronger without lifting a
weight. And by doing that you will
become stronger in your character, in your resilience.
You as a person, you are learning on the job to become a
better version of yourself. And that is an amazing example
to show the people that you love, adore and care about.
Remember, you've got little eyes looking up at you.
You've got people in your family that are looking up at you.
You've got kids, you may have grandkids, you may have nieces,
you may have nephews, may have little cousins.
There are strangers that are looking up at you.
And that's what that's what really kind of motivates me and
keeps me going is I know that there are straight.
It's easy to do it for your kids.
It's easy. That's it, that's that's the
easy thing. But I know that there are
strangers, little kids, little strangers and adults that are
relying on me, that don't know me yet.
But, but, but I will come to meet them in the future.
Thank you, Jamie. I know our time is running out
and you're probably thinking, Oh no, the time is running out and
you're enjoying this episode, but I'm going to throw in a bit
of a red herring here go. As social workers, even
everything you're saying is true, but there are social
workers out there. I definitely was one of them
where I would, what's the word I would.
Give too much, right? There's a phrase out there at
the moment, an article saying is there too much goodwill in
social work Now? Some of that goodwill is about
professional integrity. Some of that goodwill is not
having boundaries. The other side of that is this
is my job. This is the expectation of me to
do XY&Z. What do you say to the social
workers who are struggling to say no to certain things,
covering for stuff when they know they haven't got the
capacity over giving and too much goodwill?
What? What are we saying to social
workers that are in that mindset of of doing that and feeling
they have to overwork? But that's where, again, you've
got to look to yourself and within yourself.
Look after yourself and stay in your own lane.
Yeah, you can't. You can't pour from an empty
cup. Absolutely.
And yeah, I don't think there's any such thing as too much
goodwill going out there. And doing good.
Is is is what life is all about and what it should be, but not a
detriment to yourself. And you said the word there,
which is, which is the key that you have to have to implement
and learn and then apply boundaries.
You have to learn the power of the word no.
You have to learn the power of the word no, no to other people.
Because what you will find is other people will take advantage
of you because of who you are. Your goodwill.
Your good nature and people will and and and and that is
something to do with human ages. They will always stretch
boundaries. They will always take it that
little step further. Oh I got away with this this
time. Let's see if I can push it a
little bit more. Little bit more.
Oh, because Janet or Jeff, they will stand for it and they will
say yes. So you have to learn it is again
it. I've.
I've given you the reason as to where the problem is.
So it's up to you. There's no excuse now not to
kind of implement it or learn about it.
If someone is taking advantage of you, learn the power of the
word. No.
Like literally the first. The first time it might be
goodwill. If people are taking advantage
of you, right? The first time it may be an
accident, it may just be you and your given nature.
But the second time, third time, the 4th.
That's a choice. There's something I want to add
there, Jamie. There are different ways to say
no. I have this conversation in my
coaching sessions all the time, and if you're one of my coaches,
you'll be laughing right now because that's something I say.
You know, if you just Google, there are ten ways to say no or
20 ways to say no. There are other way.
You don't have to use the word no.
You could say that's not a good time for me right now.
You know, you can say I'm have another commitment at that time,
so. There is language that you can
use if you if there is a fear around saying no, and I guess it
would be remiss of me. I know we've only got a few
minutes left to not mention the phrase people pleasing.
I know you have a view on that, Jamie.
If you can just give like 30 seconds of support and
encouragement around people, yeah.
And that listen, people pleasing that, that that is a fault and
that and that shows you that you need to work on something that
you so, so people pleasing coming from is it because you,
you, you, you're low on confidence.
You're low on self esteem. You want people to like you.
Listen, the only person that needs to like you is the one
that looks back at you in the mirror.
Go into going to go and literally work on that.
First and foremost, want to please people by being yourself.
Listen. Be yourself.
Like, implement the boundaries. Just listen.
Be yourself. And if you don't want to do
something, don't do it. And if people don't like you
because of it, guess what? That's a favor.
That's a favor to you because you've literally identified
someone that would literally get their claws into you, Get like
literally attached to you like a Leech and drag you down.
They will literally drag you down and not let you flourish
and blossom. So look within yourself all the
right. There's so many answers within
yourself. Like I said, to ask yourself
them questions as What drives you and what your reason is?
Ask yourself again, listen, why am I people?
But why? Why am I pleasing that person?
Why? Why?
Why am I sort of emptying my own cup for this person?
Is it because, listen, my confidence isn't, isn't isn't
the highest my my my own value and my own worth and how I think
about people and sorry, how I think about myself, Is it not
very high? Well, that's something that you
have to work on. There's no good building a house
if your foundation isn't strong. So go back to the basic and
start working on your foundation, your foundation of
yourself. Esteem, your confidence, your
value, your worth, and your importance to this role and
who's relying on you. And then all of a sudden you
stand in your power and you realize, yeah, I don't need to
please that person because the person that I am pleasing is
looking back at me in the mirror.
And there's loads and loads and loads of vulnerable little human
beings that are looking up at me, liking me.
And that is good for me because what you think about me is none
of my business. The person that wants to drag
you down and take advantage of you, do yourself a favor and get
rid of that kind of Deadwood. Oh, Amen.
That's all I've got to say To the bat is Amen.
We have now approaching the end of the podcast, but don't switch
off yet because Jamie's not finished, because he's going to
just give a final word. And we call this section of the
podcast Dear Social Worker. And the idea of that is, is it's
as if you are writing a letter, so you're going to be writing a
letter to social workers. From you, Jamie.
Whenever you're ready, right dear, dear social worker, in
this blessed and privileged position that you're in,
although it is hard, although it is pressurized.
Just know how important you are. You have to know all the good
things you make happen by you being you and by you doing what
it is that you're doing. You have to remember the bad
stuff that you are stopping from happening by you being you and
doing what you're doing. Your importance and your value
is is is higher than you could realize imagine or what you
could acknowledge. Just know how incredible and
phenomenal you are. You have literally got through
overcome and conquered 100% of your worst and most challenging
days and you are still here. So what I want you to do is to
carry on that statistic. Keep the 100% going.
You are a part of the 100% club and when you're in you do not
leave. You can't go able, you can't
just unsubscribe and then leave. Keep on going.
That statistic is so important because by you being you, you
are literally creating a world of wonder for people and giving
them the dream and giving them the opportunity for them to
flourish and to blossom. And if you do not believe me,
the only thing you have to do is sit down and watch a film called
It's A Wonderful Life about George W Bailey and and how his
importance is just by doing the simple and the basic things and
the amazing things he makes happen and the terrible,
horrible things he stops from happening just by being him.
You are incredible. Stay with us, keep doing what
you're doing and keep this work up because so many people are
relying on you. Well done, you superhero.
God bless all my love. Sincerely, kindest regards,
Jamie Denya. Jamie, thank you.
Thank you so much for coming here and sharing your words of
wisdom with us. Where can people find you?
Well, I do a lot of work on Instagram social media.
So Instagram is at grief preacher or one word at grief
preacher. It's Jamie Denya on Facebook.
It's at grief Preacher on Twitter as well.
But yeah, I love, I love Instagram.
People at my website is www.jamiedenya.com.
You can go on there. You can look at the work in
which I do get bit more of a flavor of what I do.
There's a there's a contact section as well.
You can reach out to me if you're interested in working
with me. Listen, I would love to work
with you because I know that any organization be at a school be
it social work. Be it, be it nurses, be it,
please. That organization is only as
good as its employees, and it would be a pleasure and a
blessing to work with people such as yourselves.
So if you want to do that, contact me.
Or if you just want to reach out to me, ask me anything,
messages, whatever, I will always reply and I and I am
there for you. Thank you very much, Jamie.
Thank you for listening to the Dear Social Worker Let's Talk
podcast. Don't worry, Jamie will be back.
Jamie and I, friends, he will be back.
So don't worry. But listen, every Monday, 7:00
AM UK time is the release date. And so we will see you next time
on the next episode of Dear Social Worker podcast.
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