1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Hi and welcome to K Let's Talk, the podcast where we breakdown 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,920 storytelling across books, television and film with a 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,320 special love for book to screen adaptations. 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,640 Here we talk about craft, character arcs, structure, 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,960 dialogue, visual language, and the creative choices that shape 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,080 how a story lands. If you like thoughtful, 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,880 conversational, deep dives into the stories you can't stop 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,560 thinking about, you're in the right place. 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,480 Let's talk. Hello everyone and welcome back 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,680 to the podcast. I am so excited for this week's 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,520 episode because it is all about season 2 of Heated rivalry 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,920 answering some questions that were submitted to me over on 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Instagram and TikTok and Threads. 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,200 And there were so many great questions that I really think 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,760 that my discussion around season 2 is going to be broken up into 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,920 multiple episodes. So thank you to everyone who 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,680 submitted a question. I was talked to how many I 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,640 received and all of them were so insightful and interesting and I 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,200 really can't wait to dive into each and every one of them and 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,800 discuss the production and my anticipation levels and 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,960 predictions and hopes, wants, wishes for season 2 of this 22 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:22,320 series and how I think it might be adapted from book to screen. 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,680 So in this particular episode of the Q and AI wanted to primarily 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:34,160 highlight questions surrounding Season 2's structure and overall 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,120 adaptation format. Because there's a lot of big 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,960 picture planning that's going into season 2 that Jacob Tierney 27 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:46,200 and his Co writer are going to have to think about and execute. 28 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,040 And a lot of fans, myself included, are very excited and 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,640 curious about what that might look like given The Long Game is 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,600 such a different book to Heated Rivalry. 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,240 It is taking place to three years after the end of Heated 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Rivalry. What is that going to look like? 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,160 How is Jacob going to handle the pacing of that? 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,520 All of those questions fall under this bucket. 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,200 And so I wanted to make this particular episode of podcast 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,560 centered around that topic in particular. 37 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,120 So one of the more frequently asked questions I received was 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,440 how do I think The Long Game is going to be spaced in Season 2 39 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:31,000 and do I think it will be cut into two parts? 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,120 Now to preface this, a lot of this conversation comes around 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,440 an interview that Jacob Tierney had given where he stated that 42 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,400 he does not want the show to be a crazy number of episodes. 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,920 He thinks that 10 is too many. He said he doesn't need 10 to 44 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,440 tell this story, but he's never downright stated that it will 45 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,000 only be 6 either, and that's in his interview with the LA Times. 46 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,640 He just wants to keep the story as tight as possible. 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,680 So that may mean we get 6 episodes again. 48 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,280 It may also mean we get 7 or 8. I just don't think he wants to 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,600 do 10. And I don't think anyone will 50 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,040 know until the season is about to air because Jacob is still 51 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,840 writing it right now, so even they don't know how many 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,240 episodes he's going to need yet. That said, when thinking about 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,960 the first season of Heated Rivalry, I think episodes three 54 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,000 and five are both very solid examples of the fact that Jacob 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,480 can fit a lot into an hour of TV and do it extremely well. 56 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,640 The difference here is that in Heated Rivalry, the book and 57 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,600 also in episode 3 of the series, we're covering a lot of time 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,440 very quickly and The Long Game is covering less overall time. 59 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,240 That has more moments featured within that time period. 60 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,760 And those moments are also longer, meaning we breathe 61 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,840 within those scenes and story beats for a lot longer than he 62 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,120 did. Rivalry does, and that's going 63 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,920 to be the key difference between Season 1 and Season 2. 64 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,400 So to answer the question about whether or not I think it will 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,960 be cut into two parts, knowing Jacob as we do and how he wants 66 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,519 to be efficient and succinct with his storytelling, no, I do 67 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:20,160 not think they're going to cut the long game split down the 68 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,360 middle into two parts. But what I do think we also need 69 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,160 to consider is the fact that the epilogue of Heated Rivalry was 70 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,560 not covered in Season 1. So there is theoretically the 71 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,240 chance that there will be overlap from Book 1 into Book 2 72 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,720 and Season 1 into Season 2. And so the epilogue of Heated 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:49,360 Rivalry takes place in November of 2018 and the same month the 74 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,040 My Dinner With Hayden scene happens. 75 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,040 And that is not included in either book. 76 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,080 But Jacob owns all of the IP, so I think he could take that 77 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,200 writing and turn it into something we see on screen. 78 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,320 I do think we will include that in the show before we jump 79 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,520 because the long game doesn't start until July of 2020, so 80 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,600 there is likely going to be a jump in there between those key 81 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,720 moments in their lives. And unless Jacob fills it some 82 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,680 plot, which I think we may get, there's too much of the long 83 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,640 game to cover as is. So I don't think he's going to 84 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,040 waste time on anything that doesn't move the story of Shane 85 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,600 and Ilya forward. So no, I don't think it will 86 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,680 need to be split truly in half, so to speak. 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,280 And I say that because I know we're going to be getting the 88 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:42,560 trophy room scene, and that takes place towards the end of 89 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,920 the story in March of 2021. And if we cut after trophy room, 90 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,280 we'd basically be at the finish line of the story itself, 91 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,800 because the book ends in June of 2021 and the epilogue is in 92 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,920 October of 2021. So at that point, I think Jacob 93 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,360 would include all of it. I do think there may be some 94 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,360 similar writing as to season 1 where we get some of the story 95 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:13,320 pushing into season 3 O. It might not be a true half, but 96 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,160 if season 3 is the last season of the show, I think everyone 97 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,680 involved would want it to be as reflective of the last book that 98 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,280 currently is being written by Rachel Reed so that if the show 99 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,520 is complete, it's completed alongside the book and the three 100 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,600 book series covering Shane and Ilya. 101 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Another question I received was do I think Jacob plans to adapt 102 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,920 books 3 through 5 and how would they fit into the already tight 103 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,840 6 episodes projected for season 2? 104 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,600 Do I think he plans to address them? 105 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,080 And I think everyone has probably seen by now there are 106 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:56,120 rumors of casting Flyers going out about all of the characters 107 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,840 from Books 3 through 5 and needing to cast those 108 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,080 characters. So I do think we will see them 109 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,600 all in some capacity. We've already had Ryan Price 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,960 named and mentioned in Season 1, so I'm excited to see who they 111 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,840 cast for that. And I'm looking forward to being 112 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,200 introduced to some new actors in Season 2 because there's a very 113 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,840 big emphasis from the entire production on hiring new 114 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,480 Canadian talent and making sure that they are looking there 115 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,880 first. Not only because they need to to 116 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,240 get funding for their project, but I also think it's a really 117 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,720 wise approach given how both Hudson and Connor were relative 118 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,280 unknowns before this project. And now you can see how the 119 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,040 visibility they've garnered from being on heated rivalry and the 120 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,880 success of the show has really put the series on the map, but 121 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,000 also established careers for them. 122 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,280 And I think that everyone working on this production would 123 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,440 agree that that's a really wonderful byproduct of working 124 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,720 on a show this way and putting so much love and attention into 125 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,600 it is that the people who are now going to be tied to it are 126 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,760 going to have eyeballs on them. And that's a difference between 127 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,120 these newly cast actors versus Hudson and Connor, who went into 128 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,400 this not thinking anything of it. 129 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,080 It might be seen in Canada, it might do well in Canada. 130 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,840 And then they were thrust into this global response. 131 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,080 And so these new actors being cast now, no going into the 132 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,400 project that they will have a global response to their roles. 133 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,400 So that's something I think about in the background quite 134 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,799 often is how different the approach is going to be for 135 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:41,280 these newly cast actors. And hopefully they will have the 136 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,080 same level of interest that a lot of people have in Hudson and 137 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Connor's previous work, and new projects will be presented to 138 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,520 them because of their work on this show. 139 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,400 I think that's one of the beautiful things about an 140 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,040 ensemble, is that so many nice things can come out of their 141 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,560 work together. And I also think that both 142 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:06,040 Hudson and Connor are going to be really great influences on 143 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,200 these new actors, given that they've been grown to the wolves 144 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,000 of the industry in the way that they have and can and and can 145 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,040 bring in these new actors and show them the ropes. 146 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,360 And they understand better than anyone what it's like to be 147 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,960 joining this particular ensemble. 148 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,600 So that's all fun to think about in the background as we await 149 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,160 the casting announcements for Season 2. 150 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Tough Guy and Common Goal both happen within that gap between 151 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,040 Heated Rivalry and the Long Game. 152 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Tough Guy takes place between October of 2018 to January of 153 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,880 2019, and the epilogue of that book is July of 2019. 154 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,760 Common Goal is November of 2019 to April of 2020, and the 155 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:00,240 epilogue is July of 2020. So Role Model is all contained 156 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,080 within the same timeline as The Long Game. 157 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,040 That's where that book differs. So Troy's story is all contained 158 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,280 within the long game and it will run parallel to Shane and Ilya's 159 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,680 story. And Troy's book starts in 160 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:20,360 November of 2020 and ends in February of 2021. 161 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,120 So that book is the one that I believe is going to be treated 162 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,480 differently and used differently within Season 2. 163 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,400 So that's all important to keep in mind when thinking about how 164 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,400 the story is going to be laid out. 165 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,920 Common goal and tough guy, The events of those stories take 166 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,640 place before the Long game even begins, so to include them in 167 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,320 Season 2 would mean we'd have to have scenes dedicated to those 168 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,440 two years between heated rivalry in the long game. 169 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,040 When you add role model and tough guy into the equation, 170 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,440 given that we've already had Ryan Price named in Season 1 and 171 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,400 we know that Role model and Troy and Harris's story is the one 172 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,840 that Jacob has said himself he's most excited to see on screen, 173 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,560 you have to basically consider 2 avenues that the show can take. 174 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,520 The first would be including another stand alone like we got 175 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,720 in season 1, which would be focused on Troy and Harris. 176 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,680 And the way they successfully did this in season 1 is by 177 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:29,880 having the Scott and Kipp story contained within its own 178 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,760 episode. But that episode was used to 179 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,360 catch the reader up on Scott and Kipp's whole relationship. 180 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,360 And that relationship timeline was altered for the show because 181 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,800 in the book they meet in January of 2017 and Scott wins the 182 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,280 Stanley Cup in spring of 2017. But the show has the meet before 183 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,200 the Olympics in November of 2013. 184 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:01,000 In the Olympics are in 2014 and the kiss is still in 2017, so 185 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,240 it's been stretched and rearranged for the show. 186 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:09,360 I've seen previously that Jacob has said that that was a 187 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,880 continuity error that they realized too late in the game 188 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,720 and couldn't fix. But that stuff happens when 189 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,600 writing a project like this, and it's something to think about 190 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,720 when they're figuring out the logistics and how to make these 191 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,480 characters fit into Season 2. Their standalone episode for 192 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Scott and kept covered January 2017 back to the 2014 Olympics 193 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,120 basically. So that's another huge expanse 194 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,480 of time to cover a whole relationship dynamic within. 195 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:45,760 For Ryan and Troy and Wyatt, their involvement is twofold 196 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,200 because not only do they interact with Shane and Ilya in 197 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,800 their books, but they themselves were all teammates before the 198 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,520 long game when they played together in Toronto. 199 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,200 And that season where they all played together takes place in 200 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,960 that liminal space between heated rivalry and the long 201 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,560 game. And what's important within that 202 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,880 storyline is Troy is not kind to Ryan. 203 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,320 And I think that's important to see or know and understand in 204 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,720 order to better understand Troy's character and where his 205 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,840 character is at by the time he joins Ottawa, because Troy is in 206 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,160 a really tough place when he arrives there. 207 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,680 The show could address that with a simple line of dialogue, but 208 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,880 it could also address that in a standalone episode where we see 209 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,400 Troy on Toronto before we meet him in Ottawa. 210 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:47,040 And so the Troy standalone episode could cover Ryan, it 211 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,920 could cover Wyatt, it could cover his own story in that in 212 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,160 between timeline when they're all on the team in Toronto, 213 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,960 which I think I would prefer because that would mean we would 214 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,440 meet Dallas Kent on screen. And he is villain in the book. 215 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,640 And I really want Jacob to flesh him out further because he's 216 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,160 often spoken about and referenced, but we don't get a 217 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,640 lot of screen time with him and he doesn't interact with Shane 218 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,960 or Ilya that often. And heated rivalry is the story 219 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,840 of Shane and Ilya. So if we're going to get Dallas 220 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Kent, it's going to be in a handful of scenes during the All 221 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,240 Star weekend or in a game maybe where we're in following Ilya's 222 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,640 character and he's playing against Dallas. 223 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,040 But other than that, we're not going to be around Dallas 224 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,840 because Shane and Ilya are not around Dallas, but Troy is. 225 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,960 So if Troy gets his own standalone episode and it covers 226 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:51,680 his time on the team with Dallas and Ryan and Wyatt, then we get 227 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,280 way more insight into his character. 228 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:00,520 A lot of conversations with Dallas happen off page and so I 229 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,840 also think Jacob has the very unique opportunity to have a lot 230 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,800 of these conversations take place on screen if he wants them 231 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,160 to. And to me, it would more likely 232 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,440 be shot as a beep plot, which would also be a different 233 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,520 approach to the series for season 2. 234 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,240 The success of Heated Rivalry Season 1 is because we are 235 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,120 completely immersed in Shane and Ilya in the episodes covering 236 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,720 them, which is episodes 1245 and 6. 237 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,000 They're in every scene. We are with them in every scene. 238 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,200 If we're not with one, we're with the other. 239 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,480 We don't follow another character around unless they're 240 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,040 interacting with Shane or Ilya or the two of them together. 241 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,360 And so if they were to then break off and have scenes where 242 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,720 we're following Troy within the episode, that's when we start 243 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,000 getting the plots. And I don't think that's the 244 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,160 show that Jacob Tierney wants to shoot. 245 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,120 So anything about these side characters then sort of have to 246 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,840 be contained to the one standalone episode following 247 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Troy or referred back to and not shown on screen. 248 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,280 Hopefully that makes sense to everybody. 249 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,640 I know there's a lot of timelines going on in these 250 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,960 books. It's hard to keep track of them 251 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,560 all. But largely it's important to 252 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,360 know that Troy and Harris meet in November of 2020 when Troy 253 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,960 joins the Centaurs and their book is largely self-contained. 254 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,720 It ends in February of 2021. We see them pop up in the Long 255 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,880 Game as far as March of 2021, but there is overlap with Tough 256 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,160 Guy. So again, Troy's standalone 257 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,040 episode could really span a good amount of time, similar to how 258 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Scott and Kipp's episode did, and include far more of the 259 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,760 scenes that take place in Tough Guy, which is 2018 to 2019 when 260 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,359 he's on Toronto with Ryan Price, and extend all the way up until 261 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,760 when he meets Harris. And then I think for most of 262 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,160 their story, because it does directly overlap with Shane and 263 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,359 Ilya's, we're going to just have them featured in the background 264 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,240 of Shane and Ilya's storyline. It's going to have to be woven 265 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,160 back into their relationship and how it affects Ilya in 266 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,920 particular in the long game because this show is about Shane 267 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,760 and Ilya. So anytime we get any of these 268 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,080 side characters on screen, it has to be in service of that now 269 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,200 because again, this is a book to screen adaptation. 270 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,320 I've been asked many times what do I think will get cut or 271 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,840 condensed from the book or books? 272 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:50,200 And I think most of that will be things and moments that happen 273 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,640 off the page with other characters because the show puts 274 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,120 Shane and Ilya at the center and there are very few scenes where 275 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,520 it's just them with another character. 276 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Most of the scenes are the two of them interacting. 277 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,160 And I think that is why Season 1 was so successful, like I said, 278 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,800 because we were so immersed in their relationship. 279 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,480 And if they move away from that, it will feel different and it 280 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,280 will lose that longing and yearning that we loved about 281 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,880 Season 1. Transversely, Jacob might lean 282 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,400 into having them interact with more people and spending more 283 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,600 time interacting with other people because he is excited to 284 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:34,240 cover how Shane and Ilya are now in a adult relationship and have 285 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,880 to figure out what that looks like behind closed doors in 286 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,760 private and then forward facing in public. 287 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,560 And we are going to see that primarily through the vehicle of 288 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,400 Hayden and his character because he is one of the few people at 289 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,960 the beginning and majority of the book who knows about Shane 290 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,200 and Ilya besides Shane's parents. 291 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,960 And so that's going to be the really interesting juxtaposition 292 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,440 we get where Shane and Ilya have to figure out, OK, when we're 293 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,680 around people who don't know about us, how are we behaving? 294 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,040 When we're around people who do know about us, how are we 295 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,320 behaving? And one of the best examples of 296 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:18,880 that is the double date that he and Ilya go on with Ryan and his 297 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,600 boyfriend Fabian, who we then later get a club episode when 298 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,840 Fabian has a concert and they attend that. 299 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,520 That's going to be a really important story of Beat early on 300 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,160 in the show to establish that dynamic that Jacob speaks of in 301 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,440 some of his interviews lately where they have to figure out 302 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,200 what are they behaving like in public? 303 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,280 What are they behaving like around peers and people within 304 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,400 their community who know about them? 305 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,040 What does that feel like to them? 306 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,720 It's going to be awkward at 1st, and it is in the book as well. 307 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:58,400 So with that in mind, I do think we will get Ryan and definitely 308 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,360 we'll get Troy. I don't know how much of Eric 309 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:04,240 we're going to get, I think. We won't get a ton of it though. 310 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,000 It will be used when necessary, but not more than needed to move 311 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,560 the plot along. So I think there will likely be 312 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,600 a lot of Shane and Ilya discussing things that have 313 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,240 happened rather than us watching them happen on screen. 314 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,080 And that will be important to keep the plot moving forward 315 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,840 quickly and efficiently if Jacob plans to cover the entirety of 316 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:29,080 this book within 6 episodes. 2nd to that, I think much of Ilyas 317 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,560 conversations with his therapist will be condensed or written so 318 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,400 that multiple beats can be shown in one of his meetings with her. 319 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,760 So he goes to see her multiple times. 320 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,440 He's there for hours long sessions. 321 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,760 We can't get too many long scenes covering their 322 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,920 conversations. One or two longer ones that 323 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,880 cover his emotional arc will likely be used because it's more 324 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,280 effective than multiple shorter ones. 325 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,480 But knowing Jacob and how he wants to cover the arc of this 326 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,720 character in Alia, so true to the book, that might not be the 327 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,800 case. He might include multiple short 328 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,320 ones that really kind of give us a sucker punch of information 329 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,400 because like I said in the book, he has so many important 330 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,440 conversations with Alina, but a lot of them happen off screen 331 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,200 and then we're in Ilya's head recounting what they talked 332 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,320 about. So the show has to find a way to 333 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,560 convey those conversations very quickly and efficiently. 334 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,920 They're all going to be in Russia, and that's a lot of 335 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Russian dialogue for Connor story. 336 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,040 So how are they going to space that out? 337 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,920 Because this is a very important detail, which is that Galena 338 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,920 being the only other person he can converse with in Russian, 339 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,400 because that Lana is no longer nearby, he isn't talking to her. 340 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,680 That's a huge deal to him. And he can really open his heart 341 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,000 and pour his heart out to her because he's speaking in his 342 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,480 native language and his his words flow out of him 343 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,440 differently when he is speaking in Russian versus in English. 344 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,520 And a lot of the conversations have to do with his family and 345 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,760 his mother and his father. And Jacob already so beautifully 346 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,720 wrote the Russian monologue scene in Season 1. 347 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:28,240 So I'm really excited to see how he chooses to cover these scenes 348 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,720 between Ilya and Elena in Season 2, because they are really, 349 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,400 really important to the storyline and Ilya's emotional 350 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,000 part. I do think there will be a few 351 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,280 hookup scenes that they will skip, mainly for timing, or at 352 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040 least they'll cut to black and then time jump, which they 353 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,960 started to do in episodes 456 of the series. 354 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,800 And there's one instance of that that I can think of off the top 355 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,600 of my head, which is when Ilya stays in Montreal for the first 356 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,840 time and doesn't go back on the team plane. 357 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,280 But this isn't new. They've already established that 358 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,880 they can fade to black now because Shane and Ilya's 359 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,160 relationship, at least from being a viewer, is hidden from 360 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,000 us in some respects. There are moments that are meant 361 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,920 to be private between them that we're not Privy to, and that 362 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,880 slow change in filming style over the course of season 1 is a 363 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,720 smart way for them to maintain that in season 2 in order to 364 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:38,080 emphasize certain sex scenes more than others and give them 365 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,920 longer screen time. And then imply the emotional and 366 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,360 physical connection between Shane and Ilia without them 367 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,200 having to draw it out longer than need be. 368 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,800 Because a lot of the long game is going to be about the inner 369 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,240 worlds of Shane and Ilia, their communication not being good. 370 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,040 And yes, they communicate with sex, but the whole point of the 371 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,360 long game is them learning how to communicate differently. 372 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,200 They have stated already that there are a few key sex scenes 373 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,360 that I think we will get in their entirety, but I think 374 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:17,440 others will be skipped over but implied that they take place. 375 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,280 I also think they will condense a lot of the hockey. 376 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,480 So the Centaur's winning streak, the All Star competition meaning 377 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,720 the hockey part of it I think we'll get less of and they'll 378 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,120 put more emphasis on the moment between Shane and Ilya in the 379 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:36,760 hotel room afterwards. The playoff series, I think most 380 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,280 of that is going to be for timing, of course, but also for 381 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,400 the sake of shooting the hockey. I think that you'll probably 382 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,080 skip the dinner portion when Ilya gets the dog and then 383 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,160 simply have Anya appear just because, again, that doesn't 384 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,800 necessarily move the plot forward with him and Shane, but 385 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,720 the dog being a part of their relationship dynamic does. 386 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,440 So we don't need to see, you know, 5-6 minute long scene of 387 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,160 him going to Harris's family farm and all that. 388 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,200 We might, but I don't think we need to. 389 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,120 We just need to know he gets the dog. 390 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:15,080 So that's kind of another example of where a lot of that 391 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:21,000 can happen off screen and be implied and give callbacks to 392 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,640 these books through dialogue without them having to be 393 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,720 spelled out so clearly on screen. 394 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,480 For us in particular, if we are to get a standalone episode for 395 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,640 Troy and Harris, I again think it's going to be beneficial to 396 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,440 use that standalone to provide more back story on Troy before 397 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,800 he arrives in Ottawa, how he treated Ryan. 398 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:48,800 Because his arc as a character would feel more deserved if we 399 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,040 saw what he was like before. And it would also be a catalyst 400 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,800 for us as viewers to see Dallas Kent on screen interacting with 401 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,400 people on screen. Because it folds in nicely with 402 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,600 the commissioner and the way the league has been navigating Scott 403 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,920 Hunter and how the league is going to continue navigating 404 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,120 things with Shane and with Ilya and with Troy in the long game. 405 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:20,480 And so again, using Troy's standalone to give that back 406 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,080 story and build up that side of the story and show what the 407 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:32,800 league is like and the ugly side of it and give more of a real 408 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,280 characterization to the villain, so to speak, in Dallas Kent and 409 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,560 make him a real person rather than this off screen villain, I 410 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,800 think that's going to be really important for the rest of it. 411 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:52,120 I think the angle is primarily going to be used as story beats 412 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,480 that support Shane and Ilya's story. 413 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,240 So Troy coming out to Ilya and Ilya telling Troy that he is 414 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,360 bisexual, that's really important. 415 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,240 We're going to get that from Ilya's point of view. 416 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,880 Then the Pride night after Troy comes out to his team, that's 417 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,520 another important moment will be in Ilya's point of view, 418 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,960 probably in the locker room listening to that happen. 419 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,320 You don't think they're going to put that in the self-contained 420 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,400 episode covering Troy and Harris? 421 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,320 I think Ryan and Fabian are part of Shane and Ilya's story 422 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720 through their dinner and the concert I spoke of. 423 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,960 Those things can easily be woven into Shane and Ilya's story and 424 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,960 they don't need to be part of a standalone. 425 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320 They can just include dialogue during the dinner, which happens 426 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,560 in the long game of how Fabian and Ryan met, how long they've 427 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,080 been together. There's a lot of context that 428 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,360 can be gained from those conversations without us having 429 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,760 to see it playing out in their own separate timeline. 430 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,680 I think much of the success of the show is that it is a dual 431 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,800 protagonist show, meaning that every scene of the show with the 432 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,400 exception of episode 3 features Ilya or Shane or the two of them 433 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,520 together, and all of the other characters are introduced and 434 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,160 featured only when they're interacting with those 435 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,040 protagonists. There are no scenes with any 436 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,560 side characters which do not include Shane or Ilya because it 437 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,880 is not their story. And so I got a question saying I 438 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,880 trust Jacob, but I worry season 2 won't live up to the high 439 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,600 expectations. What would need to happen to 440 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,160 avoid a disappointing season 2? And I think the fear a lot of 441 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,080 people have is that in introducing so many new 442 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,120 characters from the other books in the series, which would 443 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,840 include tough guy, common goal, and role model, that would mean 444 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,120 that they all need to be explained and get screen time. 445 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,120 That cuts into the story of Shane and Ilya. 446 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560 And while I agree that their stories are important for Shane 447 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,920 and Ilya, particularly Troy and Harris's, I don't think they 448 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,240 need to be fully fleshed out and explained in great detail like 449 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,680 Scott and Kip were in episode 3 of Rivalry. 450 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,280 Especially for a character like Eric who interacts with Ilia 451 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,440 primarily. And during the long game, those 452 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,120 interactions are contained to inside the Kingfisher bar. 453 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,800 So I think if we see Eric, that is what we will get. 454 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,480 And perhaps the dialogue implies part of his story arc like we 455 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,920 see him with Kyle. But I don't think we're going to 456 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,920 have a lot of time dedicated to Eric in particular. 457 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:29,480 They might have Ilya and Troy in New York at the bar meeting with 458 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360 all those guys, and that's the same night that Troy comes out 459 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,480 to Ilya. So I do think we'll get that. 460 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,600 And that might be the one time we really get a glimpse at Eric 461 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,960 and Kyle and maybe Scott Hunter again and have those scenes 462 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,480 pulled right out of the Long Game. 463 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,080 The only story of those three that differs is the Troy and 464 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840 Harris story because their entire book takes place within 465 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,320 the same timeline as the Long Game and not before. 466 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,520 So we do not need them to have a whole spin off episode to convey 467 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,760 what's happening between them. So long as we have Ilya present 468 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,800 for all of the moments he's present for in the Long Game, 469 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,760 and they're folded into what we see of him, then we're going to 470 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,600 see the greater story of Harris and Troy play out on screen 471 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,400 because Ilia is actually a very pivotal part in getting them 472 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,680 together. So again, Troy and Harris don't 473 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,240 need to have that standalone episode to cover what happens 474 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480 between them in the long game. If anything, I think the 475 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,880 standalone would be to cover what happens with Troy before he 476 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,640 gets to Ottawa. To me, that serves a far better 477 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,840 narrative purpose and aids the bigger overarching storyline, 478 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,400 and I think that's a key difference between how they 479 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,960 handled Scott and Kipp versus how they're going to have to 480 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,240 handle Troy and Harris. Rather than covering them in a 481 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,280 stand alone where most of the interactions are between the two 482 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,080 of them without Ilya, it would be more entertaining to only 483 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,200 include that storyline of them falling in love in scenes with 484 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,640 Ilya, if that makes sense. Because the success of the show 485 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,360 is in maintaining that closeness with our main characters. 486 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,000 Jacob has stated numerous times that this show is heated 487 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,640 rivalry. The story is Shane and Ilya's 488 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,720 story and that is what the show will be about. 489 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,400 And for everyone's fear or anticipation, I think we can 490 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,400 expect less of the side characters than people are 491 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,920 worried about. In my opinion. 492 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,920 I think a handful of scenes for Ryan, maybe one with Eric, the 493 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,160 most is going to be with Troy and Harris. 494 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,960 But likely it's going to be the same amount of screen time that 495 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,720 Scott Hunter had in Season 1. Because this season is about 496 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,120 Shane and Ilya's relationship, their communication. 497 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,480 And if the scenes with the other characters do not aid in 498 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,280 conveying that story or those issues, then they're not going 499 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,360 to get featured because they don't have enough time. 500 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,120 And everything in the show is going to have to be tightened up 501 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,280 in order to push that story forward in the most effective 502 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040 and efficient way. Another question I got 503 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,160 surrounding that is, can the lightning in a bottle 504 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,120 combination of the storytelling and the music and the acting 505 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,600 choices be replicated given the new global attention that the 506 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,760 series has received? And I think ultimately that's 507 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,240 hard to truly conceptualize because everyone goes into 508 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,040 watching media so differently. They come in with different 509 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,080 expectations that they've built up in their heads. 510 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,880 They've built versions of the story in their heads. 511 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,960 They've now also seen Shane and Ilya on their screens and can 512 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,000 form educated guesses on what Season 2 will be. 513 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,200 And so if that expectation is very high or simply different 514 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,600 from what Jacob turns out, then naturally people are going to be 515 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,480 disappointed. But Jacob and the crew have said 516 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200 that they're approaching the season the exact same way that 517 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,560 they did Season 1, even though ultimately it's a very different 518 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560 story. We don't have the same yearning 519 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,760 as Season 1 because they're dating in Season 2. 520 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,920 We get a different kind of yearning. 521 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800 We have more of the miscommunication, but a 522 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,840 different kind of miscommunication. 523 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,600 We have mixed signals and messages and misalignments. 524 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,320 We have more frustration. The subject matter is different, 525 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,560 they're older. The story is also less jumpy and 526 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,640 far more self-contained. And so for all those reasons, 527 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,720 the writing will be inherently different and the pacing will be 528 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,040 different for season 2 than it was in season 1. 529 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,120 These two men are not the same men that we left at the cottage. 530 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,920 And that will probably make some viewers frustrated because it's 531 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,920 going to feel different because everyone has also now been 532 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,120 introduced to the actors who play Shane and Ilya outside of 533 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,160 those roles, and we've seen them interact with one another 534 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,320 outside of the show. And so that also influences the 535 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,880 reception because before we knew them, we could only see Shane 536 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440 and Ilya on screen. But now people who have studied 537 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,120 either act or beyond their work in this particular show can 538 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,480 watch their performances and potentially spot moments where 539 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,320 they slip through their character somehow. 540 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,440 And sometimes that takes people out of the performance. 541 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,400 But to me, they're both so different from the characters 542 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,719 that I don't have that fear. It's just something I anticipate 543 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,639 will add to the discourse once Season 2 has aired. 544 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,679 As far as the lighting or the set design, I think visually it 545 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,719 will feel very similar because we will use the same crew, the 546 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,400 same cameras. The lighting will be used in 547 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,760 similar ways if I had to guess, especially because the darker 548 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,239 colors can be used to convey them hiding and ileus depression 549 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,080 and their relationship fractures. 550 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,600 That can all be conveyed using the lighting in the similar way 551 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,320 that they did with the 1st 2 episodes of season 1 and those 552 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,360 darker colors being used to convey those feelings. 553 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:57,000 I also expect that it will be a similar approach to how they 554 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,360 shoot the hockey unless they decide to fill them film those 555 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,680 scenes closer to how we shot. Saw them shot in the All Star 556 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,240 game during episode 5, which is the way I liked best. 557 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,160 Personally. I think that the flow state that 558 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,880 they were able to capture with the way that that whole All Star 559 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,400 Game interaction was shot, especially when we can see Shane 560 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,520 and Ilya passing the puck to one another and skating. 561 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,320 That to me was the best shots of the hockey and I hope that they 562 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,800 lean into that more because I thought it was really beautiful. 563 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,160 As for the music, it's another character and Jacob has great 564 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,080 taste. So I expect more of the same. 565 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,400 I expect more Canadian artists, maybe some smaller artists, less 566 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,440 mainstream music. All of the music is going to be 567 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,360 music that aids in the storytelling. 568 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,320 So I expect some sad music as well. 569 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,880 I expect some romantic music mixed in there. 570 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,600 I hope we get some Russian music. 571 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,880 I think that would be an interesting thing for them to 572 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,440 include again. We got a few orchestral songs in 573 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,680 Season 1. I think they'll use that again. 574 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,280 I also expect the score to be the same composer Peter Peter 575 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,800 and that greatly aids in the storytelling, especially where 576 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,960 we have such an emotional arc because of Ilya's depression and 577 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,800 Shane's heroes arc that Rachel has mentioned too. 578 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,320 I think we will also get an expanded upon version of the 579 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,040 theme song that he created for them which is the 2 souls one 580 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,920 soul. I think they'll expand upon that 581 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,360 further in season 2 which I am looking forward to. 582 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,440 I think we get the same sound mixing and the use of sensitive 583 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,640 mics that I loved so much from season 1 because that all really 584 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,200 captures the really raw audio of characters in their more 585 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,960 intimate moments and also emphasizes the quiet moments and 586 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,920 makes everything feel more grounded. 587 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,840 One thing I noticed a lot in Season 1 was that because 588 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,520 they're in hotels a lot, you can hear cars and city life outside 589 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,440 the hotel rooms in the background, especially in 590 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,480 episodes 1 and 2. We also get that when they are 591 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,760 in the hotel in Tampa during Episode 5 or moments when either 592 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,200 of them are outside talking the phone. 593 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,760 So I expect that to be used a lot as well in Season 2, 594 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,680 especially since they're going to be apart from one another 595 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,120 when they're traveling on the road and they're catching up 596 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680 with each other over FaceTime or over the phone. 597 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,200 I think we're going to get a lot of that creative audio used in 598 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200 in Season 2 as well. As for the casting, like I said, 599 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,080 I think we're going to get a lot of unknown actors, Canadian 600 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640 talent, get to have that same experience of watching people no 601 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,840 one knows yet become household names. 602 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,320 And that was a big part of the success of Season 1, is that no 603 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,320 one went into it knowing who Hudson and Connor were, and it 604 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,240 made their appearances on screen all the more interesting and 605 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,040 exciting. So on the whole, much of the 606 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,000 production side will be approached the same way. 607 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040 We do have a secondary writer for the scripts, so the writing 608 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,280 may change because of that. We do have a very different type 609 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,160 of story being told in Season 2, and that will be tangible. 610 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,920 You'll feel that. But in terms of visuals, the 611 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,160 attention to detail, the production value, the color 612 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,040 grading, the sound mixing, the score, the soundtrack, I expect 613 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,760 that to all be top tier once again for Season 2. 614 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,760 That being said, I don't know how long Jacob prepped for 615 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,320 Season 1 before they actually started filming. 616 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,720 The turn around time between season 1 and season 2 is quite 617 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,400 quick. But what I will say is that they 618 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,880 knew they had a greenlit season 2 prior to season 1 airing. 619 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,760 And so my hope is that a lot of these decisions about how he 620 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,520 wanted to lay out this second season were all considered 621 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,640 months and months and months ago, and all of the groundwork 622 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,280 was already delayed earlier than we, the public, were informed of 623 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,520 a Season 2 being greenlit. I think that is important when 624 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200 it comes to scouting locations. And that's even going to be 625 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,520 approached differently for Season 2, given that they have 626 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,040 such a huge fan base now that's going to try and find those 627 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,640 scouting locations and potentially crash the set. 628 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,600 So a lot of the prep that they may have already done might have 629 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,280 to get tweaked a little bit to accommodate the fact that the 630 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,960 fan base has grown so large. But again, they have a very well 631 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,920 run machine in this production. We saw that on screen they were 632 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,760 editing the show as it was coming out back in November and 633 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,680 December and the quality was not lessened by that fact. 634 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:02,520 So I have full confidence that Season 2 is going to have all of 635 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,800 the same magic. That formula was very clearly 636 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,880 successful for them. Why would they tamper with it? 637 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,400 If anything, I think that the lightning in a bottle is going 638 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,960 to be different this time around because everybody's already met 639 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,880 Shane and Ilya. We're not meeting them for the 640 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200 first time. Hopefully we get that same 641 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680 lightning in a bottle feeling with some of these new actors 642 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,240 that are playing the new characters that we're going to 643 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,240 show up in Season 2. But I also am not worried about 644 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,240 the performances that Hudson or Connor are going to turn out 645 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,080 because they know these characters really, really well. 646 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,000 And they both have said that they loved the second book and 647 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560 that they're excited to dive into a lot of the material. 648 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,800 And that enthusiasm is inevitably going to show up in 649 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,440 their performances. So I I'm not worried. 650 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,560 I'm not worried about Season 2. I'm going to enjoy it. 651 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,920 And if you liked the book, you always will have the book, then 652 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,520 the show can be its own thing. And I think that that's one of 653 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,360 the big reasons why I love book Discreet Adaptations is I, I get 654 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,160 2 stories that I love out of the two mediums. 655 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,760 And that's important to keep in mind. 656 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,480 So I'm going to end this portion of the season 2 Q&A here. 657 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,440 I've done a lot of yapping. Hopefully you guys feel the same 658 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,840 way about some of what I've touched upon in this Q&A and I'm 659 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,280 going to make another one to answer some other questions that 660 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,400 I got from people. I have a lot of thoughts on the 661 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,120 episode predictions and the pacing of the episodes, how they 662 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,800 might be structured, what I think the first episode is going 663 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,960 to look like, how I I would lay that out given the source 664 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,080 material. All of those discussions. 665 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,680 I'll, I'll do a separate podcast episode 4. 666 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,440 And as always, if you have questions you want to submit 667 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,760 about season 2 for me to discuss here, please send them my way 668 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,760 over on Instagram or TikTok or on threads or even here in the 669 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,160 podcast app that you are listening on. 670 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,320 Thank you again if you've made it this far. 671 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,440 I really appreciate you listening and I will be back in 672 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,680 another episode to chat with you again soon.