1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,160 Hi and welcome to K Let's Talk, the podcast where we breakdown 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,680 storytelling across books, television and film with a 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,040 special love for book to screen adaptations. 4 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:13,560 Here we talk about craft, character arcs, structure, 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,080 dialogue, visual language, and the creative choices that shape 6 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:19,560 how a story lands. If you like thoughtful, 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,640 conversational, deep dives into the stories you can't stop 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,320 thinking about, you're in the right place. 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Let's talk. Hi everyone and welcome back to 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,640 the podcast. It's been a while since I sat 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,920 down to record. I went on a little trip to 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Europe and took some time off. I'm excited to get back, press 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,200 the record button and talk to you guys about some hockey 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,760 related questions that I got as it pertains to the show Heated 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Rivalry. So today that's what we're going 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,360 to discuss. I'm going to tackle a couple of 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,160 these questions. I've already talked about hockey 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,320 in some capacity and other Q&A videos, so if you haven't 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,880 listened to the previous Q&A videos, be sure to go back and 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,319 listen to those. There are some hockey related 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,440 questions that I answer in them, but this particular episode will 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,760 cover specifically hockey questions that I got asked over 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,760 on Instagram and also on TikTok and Threads. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,640 As always, if you have any questions about the show that 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,920 you want me to cover in a future Q&A episode, please feel free to 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,480 send me a message on any of my socials. 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,920 I love getting to chat to people in the DMS and usually I have a 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,640 conversation with whoever's asking me the question prior to 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,000 picking that question out and putting it into my format for 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,880 these long form recordings. So please drop any that you 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,200 might have over on my socials. I look forward to reading all of 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,000 them and talking about them in these episodes. 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,200 And without further ado, let's get into the hockey specific 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,920 questions as it pertains to heated rivalry. 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,080 In my last Q&A video, I talked about the cap and how that works 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,320 with hockey players salaries and the teams and how they pay their 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,720 players and specifically how that relates to Shane and Ilya 38 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:16,000 and how their salaries are going to change once they both play on 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,240 the same team. And since they're both star 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,920 players, how does the team figure out what they pay them? 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,240 All of those details. So if that's a question you want 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,760 an answer for, go back and listen to my previous Q&A video 43 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,320 and you can hear my explanation for that in there. 44 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,360 The first question I have for this recording is why do NHL 45 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,560 players share hotel rooms? Is that normal? 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:46,320 And that's because in the show, it depicts that Shane and Hayden 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,520 are sharing a hotel room. And truthfully, that no longer 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,600 happens in the NHL. And that's because of a 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,040 collective bargaining agreement that happened back in 2013 where 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,200 the NHLPA, which is the National Hockey League Players 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Association, they had mapped out and agreed upon updated version 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,400 of the collective bargaining agreement with the league and 53 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,040 its players, which you can find online if you're curious to read 54 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,040 about it. But in the 2013 agreement it 55 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,000 stated that any player on an SPC who is not in the entry level 56 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,680 system shall be entitled to a single room accommodation for 57 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,440 all Club Rd. trips. So to break that down further, 58 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,440 that means that the player has to be on an SPC, which means 59 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,800 standard player contract, and the player cannot be in the 60 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,600 entry level system, meaning they have to have an NHL contract. 61 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,600 So if the player normally plays in the AHL, which is the league 62 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,120 beneath the NHL, and gets called up to an NHL game, but they 63 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,360 aren't playing on an NHL contract for that game, they're 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,120 still on their two way contract between the AHL and the NHL. 65 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,680 They would not be required to get a single room while on the 66 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,680 road. And a two way NHL contract pays 67 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,360 a player a different salary depending on whether they're 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,440 playing up in an NHL game or in a minor league game. 69 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,920 And the player would receive a higher salary for an NHL game 70 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,320 and a lower one obviously for the minor league game. 71 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,880 So that's common for a lot of the developing players. 72 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:25,840 And the reason for those types of contracts is it provides the 73 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,040 team with a little more flexibility to manage their 74 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,880 salary cap and their roster, like I mentioned when we talked 75 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,400 about the salary cap question, but hopefully that answers your 76 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,560 question about sharing the hotel rooms. 77 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,240 That wouldn't happen for a team or a player rather that has ANHL 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,040 contract. They would be getting their own 79 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,680 room on the road. So that is an inaccuracy in 80 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,760 heated rivalry post 2013 in the timeline so keep that in mind. 81 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,360 Shane and Hayden would not be sharing a room. 82 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,360 The next question is why are fights a part of the game? 83 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,680 And I got that in many iterations, a few different 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,960 ways, but the gist of the question was why are why is 85 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,200 there fighting in hockey? And fighting transparently has 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,760 been a very big part of the game since the the league was created 87 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,760 in 1917. And I would say it's almost 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,600 entirely ingrained into the sport because of the blue collar 89 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,120 nature of hockey and its association with being a tough, 90 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,640 physical sport. And a lot of the time the 91 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,800 fighting is being framed as a form of self policing for the 92 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,560 players. So if players believe that 93 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,200 there's a dangerous play or someone's playing dirty, that 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,520 sort of threat of a fight can sometimes keep the game a little 95 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,280 bit more safe for the star players who do not engage in 96 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,320 those types of scrums. And for a long time, it was kind 97 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,800 of believed that if the opposing team knew that there was a 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,760 player or an enforcer on your team that would hit you or fight 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,760 you if you threw a dirty hit or took a cheap shot on one of 100 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,960 their star players, then you're less likely to take those 101 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,400 liberties with the skilled guys. And the second reason for the 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,640 fighting in, I would argue this is probably the bigger reason, 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,400 is that it creates a very big momentum shift within a game. 104 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,880 It gets the crowd and the benches excited and energized if 105 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,360 you see someone sticking up for a teammate with a fight. 106 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,920 And recently there's been more rule changes and criticisms of 107 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,760 the fighting, so it has died down quite a lot. 108 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,040 And we see that it comes back more often in the playoffs 109 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,080 because the emotions are running really high during the playoffs. 110 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,040 But the game as a whole is much more focused on speed and skill 111 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,960 nowadays. So the need for fighting is no 112 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,800 longer as valued or necessary. And I would say that some fans 113 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,360 are not thrilled with that, but it does remain part of the game 114 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,000 because I think it's maintaining the tradition and fan service 115 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,920 that often comes with, you know, people seeing a fight in person. 116 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:13,600 And in the book series, players like Ryan Price, he's an 117 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,720 enforcer. So his entire career would have 118 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,000 been built around his ability to fight and protect the star 119 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 players on his team. But that doesn't happen as often 120 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,600 anymore. Players nowadays are expected to 121 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,760 be able to be skilled and you do have players and guys who are on 122 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,280 the 4th lines who are physical and tough, but they also are 123 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,560 talented so they can be involved in fights and scrums, but 124 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,120 they're also expected to produce points and put numbers on the 125 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,840 board. So there's far less Ryan Price 126 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,000 like players in the league now. And fighting is not as prevalent 127 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,840 I would say, but it is still very much a part of the game. 128 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,640 I think it always will be and I would argue that the main reason 129 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,480 for it is for those momentum swings that I talked about. 130 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,520 It can really change the speed of the game and the emotion of a 131 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,160 game and tilt the ice in one way or another for a team. 132 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,520 So if you're losing and you want to get energy up on your bench, 133 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,280 someone might drop the gloves with somebody just to get the 134 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,600 crowd going and and get the energy in the rink back up 135 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,680 again. Piggybacking off of that 136 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,200 question, the next one is, are chirps and fighting necessary or 137 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,920 legal? And I would say yes, both are 138 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,360 legal and I would argue necessary. 139 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,160 It's very much a part of the game culturally. 140 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,679 Again, like the fighting and yes, you're allowed to chirp. 141 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,080 It happens all game long. The fighting occurs often times 142 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,919 when you know a player is fed up with another player. 143 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Or again, just if, if two guys know each other and they they 144 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,480 know that the other player has a reputation for dropping the 145 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,040 gloves and is willing to fight. Sometimes they'll tap them at a 146 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,120 face off and say, hey, you want to go and they'll just drop the 147 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,240 gloves right away and, and start the game off with a fight or 148 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,560 start the period off with a fight. 149 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,680 So we saw that in the Four Nations tournament last year. 150 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,000 That was a perfect example of, you know, a player just dropping 151 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,160 the gloves for a momentum swing at the start of the game. 152 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,800 So yeah, I, I, I don't want to say it's necessary, but it's 153 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,960 used for a very specific reason, which is a momentum swing. 154 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,960 And just to explain the rules of fighting, because I think that 155 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,080 sometimes it can be confusing how that works. 156 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,160 So technically speaking, a fighting penalty would be when a 157 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,440 player repeatedly punches or attempts to punch an opponent. 158 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 When two players grapple in a way that prevents the officials 159 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,320 from being able to separate them so they have their arms on one 160 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,840 another and the referees can't separate the two of them. 161 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Most of the time when they're assessing penalties, they'll 162 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,000 have to figure out each player that was involved in the fight, 163 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,880 who started it and who continued it. 164 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,400 And oftentimes the player that's been labeled as the aggressor or 165 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,720 the person who, you know, continues throwing punches even 166 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,360 after the other player is no longer fighting back, they're 167 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:14,400 deemed as the winner and they both will receive a 5 minute 168 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,480 major penalty. Or sometimes there's a game 169 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:22,960 misconduct if the player goes beyond that necessary threshold, 170 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,600 I would say. So that's kind of where the line 171 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,000 is crossed. Cost is sometimes there can be 172 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,080 additional penalties or misconduct penalties if the 173 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,120 instigator does more than they need to after they've clearly 174 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,800 already won the fight. During a fight, anyone who's not 175 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,040 partaking in the fight, they have to skate away or, you know, 176 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,280 go near a bench, particularly their own bench. 177 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,000 So in the show we saw that when Shane gets hurt, you can hear 178 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,520 the ref saying go back to your bench. 179 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,640 That's very common. If something's happening, they 180 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,280 usually try and get the other players that aren't partaking in 181 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,760 it to clear the area and go back to their bench area. 182 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,840 And sometimes if you don't do that, you can get your own 183 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,280 penalty for not listening. The goalies also have to stay in 184 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,120 their creases, so there's also been goalie fights. 185 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,840 So when the goalies leave their crease or crossover the red line 186 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:21,040 at the center of the ice, they can get penalties to the other 187 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,360 instance where the player might receive a misconduct or a game 188 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,000 misconduct would be if the player continues or tries to 189 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,080 continue fighting after being ordered to stop by the refs. 190 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,760 So sometimes the refs will put an end to the fight even if 191 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,120 there's no clear winner, and they'll intervene and break it 192 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,080 up. If the player then continues to 193 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,280 fight after that point, they can be issued another penalty. 194 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,120 So often times that will end up in a misconduct. 195 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,800 So the chirping, the the reason why that's relevant is that 196 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,240 being good at chirping, not only is it a point of pride, but 197 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,760 there's there's a line that a lot of these players kind of 198 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,720 ride. And it happens in women's hockey 199 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,440 too. I was never personally good at 200 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,680 chirping, but it's an effective way to get a rise out of players 201 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,600 you're matched up against with all game. 202 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,600 So it happens at the face off dots. 203 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,600 It also happens in the corners, it happens between the goalie 204 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,240 and the forwards on the other team. 205 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,760 It happens with defenseman who are defending in front of the 206 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,920 net with all the forwards. So they're matched up with 207 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,200 forwards all game, and it's funny and fun at times, but it 208 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,360 is also mainly used to draw penalties and get emotions out 209 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,400 of the other players so that they'll make mistakes. 210 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,480 And so in that sense, yeah, chirping is pretty necessary and 211 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,600 it's very much a part of the game for sure. 212 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:45,720 The next question was kind of a broad statement, but what is the 213 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,320 Prospect Cup? And interestingly, if you don't 214 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,880 already know this, in the show, it's called the Prospect Cup, 215 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,440 but in actuality, it's the World Junior Tournament. 216 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,960 And so the World Junior ice hockey Championships is what 217 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,320 it's technically called. It's a tournament hosted by the 218 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,440 International Ice Hockey Federation, and it happens every 219 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,400 year. It takes place at the end of 220 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,240 December into early January. And it's where the best players 221 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,560 from all of the qualified teams play against each other in this 222 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,880 really big tournament. A lot of those teams you'll 223 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,480 recognize Sweden, Finland, Canada, the US, of course, 224 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Germany, Switzerland, Czechia, Slovakia. 225 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:37,440 I want to say there are a few other maybe Kazakhstan teams and 226 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,200 obviously Russia, but Russia is currently not permitted to 227 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,320 participate and they haven't been since 2022. 228 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,000 But the tournament is largely used as sort of another form of 229 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,200 a tryout for players that are hoping to make an NHL team or to 230 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,320 get drafted because the players participating in the tournament 231 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,440 must be under 20 years old. And that is the age group, 18 to 232 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,320 20 of amateur players that are able to take part in the NHL 233 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,360 draft. In regards to the Prospect Cup, 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,240 in the show and also in, you know, real life, there is a big 235 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:18,320 emphasis on Canada and Russia's rivalry because in large part 236 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,920 the NHL players for a long time were not able to compete in the 237 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Olympics. So this tournament was one of 238 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,680 the very few opportunities that a Canadian player or AUS player 239 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,840 would have the opportunity to play against the Soviets for a 240 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,120 long time. So Canada and Russia, they're 241 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,280 the two teams that have won the most titles in the history of 242 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,680 the world junior tournament. So that rivalry between them 243 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,040 continues and is very, very real. 244 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,680 So that depiction is very, very accurate. 245 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,720 And specifically I remember in the show Ilya's father talks 246 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,800 about having to beat Shane and Canada. 247 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,160 That would be stemming again from this long standing rivalry 248 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,680 between the two countries in this specific tournament. 249 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,600 The next question was what is the draft? 250 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,600 So I'm again simplifying this quite a lot, but hopefully it 251 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,520 will be easy to understand and follow. 252 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,680 So the NHL draft is a draft where amateur players who are 253 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,400 between the ages of 18 and 20 are able to submit through 254 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,640 paperwork that they declare that they want to try and make an NHL 255 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,080 team and allow an NHL team to acquire the rights to sign them 256 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,960 to a professional contract. So they have to enter the draft, 257 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,800 they have to be over 18, under 20 and fill out paperwork, 258 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,720 submit it by a deadline. And all of the NHL teams have 259 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,720 scouts that go out all over the world to watch games. 260 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,560 They find talent when they're younger, they track their 261 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,920 performance, they evaluate them heavily, and they go to all of 262 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:05,960 these other major leagues that can include ones in Europe and 263 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,920 also in North America. There's leagues in Canada and 264 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,800 the US that these junior players would play in. 265 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,240 They also look at players in college teams who instead of 266 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,680 playing in these juniors, they can go to NCAA and play college 267 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,600 or the USHL is another Ave. that a lot of people in North America 268 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,280 take. In Canada, it's, you know, like 269 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,360 the OHL, the WHL, the Q. There's all these different 270 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 leagues. So scouts will watch those 271 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,000 players either in person or via game footage now, because a lot 272 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,280 of these games are streamed online. 273 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,600 And they'll kind of figure out who they like and keep tabs on 274 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,000 those kids so that they'll go into their development system 275 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,960 and hopefully one day make the NHL team because each NHL team 276 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,040 has feeder teams beneath it. So they have an AHL team and 277 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,440 then they have a ECHL team and they're all connected and in the 278 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,680 same system. So you can move up within those 279 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,920 two leagues and hopefully make the NHL team, which is, you 280 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,520 know, the pinnacle. Or you could stay in their 281 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,839 development program and be in the ECHL version or the NHL 282 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,960 version of that same program. Being drafted doesn't 283 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,480 automatically mean that you're going to play in the NHL. 284 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,680 They might, if they're good enough, go straight to the NHL. 285 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,920 That usually happens for people who are the top picks, which in 286 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,440 the show would be Shane and Ilya, who number one and two 287 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,640 overall. But a lot of them might go to 288 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,360 the AHL, which is the minor league, or they could choose to 289 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,480 stay in college or in their current league that they're 290 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,840 playing in. And then the the NHL team would 291 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,160 decide when they're ready to join one of their affiliate 292 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,840 teams or bump up into the NHL. So it's all based on that 293 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,800 specific players development needs. 294 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,560 So a player can be drafted, but then they can also not get 295 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,080 offered a formal contract or get signed to 1. 296 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,720 And if that happens then they can choose to re enter the draft 297 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,200 again or sign later on as a free agent. 298 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,960 So they're not obligated to sign to one team. 299 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,280 If they're a free agent, they can kind of shop around to other 300 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,720 teams. And like I said before, in order 301 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,440 to be eligible, the North American players, they can enter 302 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,880 into the draft between ages 18 and 20. 303 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,320 European players, It's a little different in terms of the actual 304 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,040 draft day itself. You don't have to be there in 305 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,000 person, but there are 7 rounds total. 306 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:46,760 The total number of players I think is like 224 or two, 225, 307 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:52,400 and it takes a few days. And most of the time the guys 308 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,040 that are going in the top rounds are the ones that actually 309 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,320 attend and sit in the audience. Because teams have large systems 310 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,040 of players spread out between the NHL, the AHL and their other 311 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,080 leagues at the ECHL, they're constantly trying to find and 312 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,080 develop talent and move players up and down as needed. 313 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,840 And so that's kind of good to remember that just because 314 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,720 you're drafted doesn't mean you're going to start playing in 315 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,880 the NHL right away. That's actually very, very rare. 316 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,440 So again, when we're talking about it in terms of heated 317 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,560 rivalry, the fact that Shane and Ilya both were drafted number 318 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,120 one and two overall and then played the next season, that's 319 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,440 just a sign again of how good they are. 320 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,360 That doesn't happen all the time. 321 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,320 It does, usually with the the 1st round draft picks. 322 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,640 A lot of them will will go right away, but again, not all. 323 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,160 It's really, really hard to do that. 324 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,680 The other thing to keep in mind that I think is relevant to the 325 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,800 show is that Shane and Ilya being chosen #1 and #2 overall. 326 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,920 That's in large part because of the draft order. 327 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:06,040 So the teams are all given a order or a number in which they 328 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,640 get to pick a player. And the order of the draft is 329 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,480 based on the inverse of the regular season standing. 330 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,040 So basically the worst teams get to pick earlier in the draft. 331 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,560 And they do this by using a draft lottery. 332 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,080 And that makes sure that teams don't purposely try to lose in 333 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,680 order to get a first round pick. But in the case of the show it 334 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,800 it does mean that Boston and Montreal had terrible seasons 335 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,840 before Shane and Ilya were drafted, and that's what put 336 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,000 them in positions to have the 1st and 2nd overall picks. 337 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,080 And so that draft lottery includes all of the teams who 338 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,120 did not make the playoffs. So just because you come in last 339 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,560 place, that doesn't automatically give you the first 340 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,280 round draft pick. All of those teams enter into a 341 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,280 lottery and then the lottery selects who gets the first, 342 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,320 second, third, 4th pick. And there's a lot more rules 343 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,320 within this, but I won't overcomplicate things. 344 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,760 Hopefully this gives you a pretty good idea of how the 345 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,280 draft works. The next question, again, 346 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,520 piggybacking off this concept, is what do the NHL playoffs look 347 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,960 like? Which we see them come up quite 348 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,120 a bit in the show. So just to simplify things, 349 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,920 there are 16 teams that qualify to play in the Stanley Cup 350 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,280 Playoffs in the show. It's called the MLH Cup and the 351 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,560 format of it is bracket style brackets that are division based 352 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,600 and then there are wild card teams. 353 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,760 So the top three teams in each division will make up the 1st 12 354 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,560 teams in the playoffs, and then the remaining 4 spots are filled 355 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,640 with the next two highest placed finishers in each conference, 356 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,440 which are considered wild cards. And that's based on regular 357 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,680 season records regardless of the division that they're in. 358 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,320 So it's possible for one division in each conference to 359 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,800 send five teams to the postseason, while another might 360 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,560 just send three of their teams to the postseason. 361 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:06,920 The position you get put in for the brackets gives you home ice 362 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,280 advantage for the first two rounds of the Stanley Cup 363 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,760 Playoffs. So the team that gets placed 364 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,200 higher at the end of the regular season, they will often get home 365 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,120 ice advantage and each of the four rounds of the play offs is 366 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,240 at best of seven. So the first team to win four 367 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,440 games advances to the next round. 368 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,680 In the first round of the play offs, the division winner with 369 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,000 the best record in each of those conferences will be matched 370 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840 against the wild card team, which is the one with the lesser 371 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,000 record and the wild card team with the better record will play 372 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,000 the other division winner. Hopefully that makes sense. 373 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,920 The teams finishing second and third in each division meet 374 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,200 within the bracket by heading off against their respective 375 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,240 division winners. And then as we move through the 376 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,120 rounds, the second round sees the first round winners within 377 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,760 each bracket play one another to determine the four teams that 378 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,480 will participate in the conference finals. 379 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,080 So that takes place before the Stanley Cup Final. 380 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,200 So in the conference Final and the Stanley Cup Final, the home 381 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,240 ice advantage goes to the team that had the better regular 382 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,520 season record, regardless of the team's standing in their 383 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,400 division. So your regular season record 384 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,440 comes into play quite a bit in the playoffs, and they use it as 385 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,320 you move through each of the rounds. 386 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,160 And again, each round that you go in, it's the best of seven 387 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,120 series. Sometimes. 388 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,240 Almost all of these series will go to a Game 7. 389 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,920 And so that's a lot of hockey that these teams play in the 390 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,320 postseason. Everyone plays hurt. 391 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,600 It's really a grind. They get 2 days off in between 392 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,880 games. Sometimes you can have a team 393 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,080 that's playing a team on the other side of the country. 394 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,920 So there's a lot of travel time involved. 395 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,600 So it's really, really strenuous on the players. 396 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Really intense, really fun, really fast, very emotional. 397 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,240 If you've never watched playoff hockey and you're trying to get 398 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,240 into hockey, I would highly encourage you to watch it this 399 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,960 spring. It's going to be starting very 400 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,880 soon and it's really fun hockey to watch. 401 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,920 The next question is how is women's hockey different from 402 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,360 men's hockey? Is there as much fighting? 403 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,080 So keep in mind that depending on where the games are being 404 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,360 held, the rules can change. So, for example, the PWHL has 405 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,680 different rules than the ones we saw in the Olympics, and the 406 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,760 same can be said for the NHL. The NHL has different rules than 407 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,520 the Olympic Games, rules that were implemented for the men as 408 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,080 well. But I would say the biggest 409 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,240 difference between the two is that fighting and the body 410 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,640 checking, which are not allowed in women's hockey. 411 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,680 It's starting to shift in the PWHL and it will trickle down 412 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,560 into the lower, lower levels, like the college game, some of 413 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,520 the club teams and high school levels. 414 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,560 But a lot of them are still operating under different rules 415 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,600 than the PWHL. And the big difference with that 416 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,120 is that women did not grow up learning how to check when 417 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,560 playing hockey like the men do. The men's side, they learn when 418 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,520 they're younger so that they know how to give and take a hit. 419 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,320 And the women, they didn't do that. 420 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,360 So hopefully as they move forward now with the youth 421 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,080 teams, that will change. The other difference for the pro 422 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,000 level is that women wear full face masks and men do not. 423 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,600 So women will wear cages or bubbles to protect their faces 424 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,360 and the men usually wear the half Shields. 425 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,520 I would say culturally they're pretty similar. 426 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,560 I don't want to get too in the weeds about that because my 427 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,000 particular experience is probably going to be different 428 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,440 than a woman's player playing in a different state or in another 429 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,320 country. But on the whole, I would say 430 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,360 that most of the differences are regarding the rules, and even 431 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,760 that is changing rapidly on the women's side. 432 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,920 So moving forward, it'll be interesting to see what else 433 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,000 changes for the women's game. The next question I got is how 434 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,760 did hockey get popular in warmer climates? 435 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,320 And I thought this was an interesting one, but also super 436 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,760 relevant. A lot of that was actually due 437 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,720 to the NHL itself pushing for the expansion of the league in 438 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,200 the 90s and the decision to put new teams into warmer climates. 439 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,880 O In the 90s we saw teams OU in Florida and Arizona and then in 440 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,720 2017 we got Vegas. We also have Dallas that showed 441 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,680 up in the 90s. So when those teams showed up in 442 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,280 those areas and those markets, it led to a lot more people 443 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,360 learning about the sport and there was more interest. 444 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:47,000 So there were rinks being built and more programs popping up in 445 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,720 those places. And so the game was able to grow 446 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,040 and kids watching the games in their areas wanted to learn how 447 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 to play. So it naturally took off. 448 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,000 It took, you know, a long time from the 90s until now for us to 449 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,440 see the trickle down effect of that. 450 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,720 But now there are players from all over the country who play 451 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,000 hockey and some of them are in the NHL. 452 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,920 Captain of Toronto is from Arizona, so a lot of the teams 453 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,400 before and players were contained to much of the 454 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Northeast or you know, states like Minnesota, Michigan, all 455 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,880 those hockey hotbed places and then obviously Canada. 456 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,040 So the NHL is responsible for hockey getting popular and 457 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,720 warmer climates and the the push for the expansion of the league 458 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,880 in the 90s and making the markets in the South a priority 459 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,880 for them has really helped to grow the game. 460 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,560 The next question is I'm desperate to know what the 461 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,200 spitting on the bench is all about. 462 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,480 And I thought that would be a fun question to end this podcast 463 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,640 episode on. So I would say, I mean, and this 464 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,080 is my personal experience and take on this, but hockey players 465 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,320 spit on the bench quite a bit. On the men's side. 466 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,120 I can say for myself, I didn't spit really on the bench and 467 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,920 much of my teammates didn't spit on the bench. 468 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,720 But when you are playing hockey, it is a lot of cardio. 469 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,160 You are mouth breathing in a cold rink and the air can be 470 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,360 dry. You're also wearing a mouth 471 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,360 guard. There is a lot of spit that can, 472 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,280 you know, end up being a a factor, but I would say on the 473 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,760 whole, I would, I would compare it to baseball players who spit 474 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,720 sunflower seeds. It's, it's more of like a, a 475 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,240 habit that becomes heavily used by players. 476 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,880 I would say I, I more often would rinse my mouth out with 477 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,960 the water bottles and squirt my water bottle like Shane does in 478 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,680 the show, even though he did it incorrectly in the show. 479 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,160 And I actually had commented on, on someone's post and the guy, 480 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,680 one of the hockey players who helped out on the show to teach 481 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,160 Hudson and Connor kind of the little tricks of the trade of 482 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,120 mannerisms for hockey players. He confirmed what I suspected, 483 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,440 which is when Shane is leaning against the boards talking to 484 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,520 Hayden in episode 5, he he squirts the water into his mouth 485 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,720 and then he squirts the water onto the ice. 486 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,400 And it should have been the inverse. 487 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,080 He should have squirted the water onto the ice 1st and then 488 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,400 squirted the water into his mouth. 489 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,440 And I had commented on this thread and said that in large 490 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,240 part I would do that because the water bottles, the caps on them 491 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,240 are plastic and they get thrown around on the bench all the time 492 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,520 and they break. And so a lot of them, the water 493 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,600 coming out of the nozzle at the top, would not squirt straight, 494 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,160 and you would get it all over your face or all over your 495 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,280 jersey or all down the front of your equipment. 496 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,120 So I would check the cap of the water bottle before I squirted 497 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,960 it into my mouth to make sure that it was going to come out in 498 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,360 like a steady stream. So a lot of people will do that. 499 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,400 They'll squirt it first before they put it in their mouth. 500 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,320 And in the show, Hudson squirts it in his mouth and then squirts 501 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,040 it onto the ice. So I think he was meant to do 502 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,320 the inverse. And then the guy the hockey 503 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,720 player who had actually helped out, consulted on the show, 504 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,120 confirmed that I was right. So that was kind of a funny 505 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040 detail. But yeah, I would say on the 506 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,880 men's side, think of the spitting on the bench like 507 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,680 baseball players with sunflower seeds. 508 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,640 It's just like a habitual nervous energy thing and a force 509 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,400 of habit. I would say a gross one, but 510 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640 definitely a force of habit. As with smelling salts, if you 511 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,000 watch a NHL game, most of the time at the beginning of the 512 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,840 game or at the start of the second and third periods, 513 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840 they'll put the camera on the benches and a lot of those guys 514 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,240 will do smelling salts. So there's a lot of little 515 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760 things like that that if you watch enough hockey, you'll pick 516 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,040 up on, and if you play hockey, you pick up on too, because you 517 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680 know you'll have a teammate who does something and you might 518 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,920 give it a try. And if you're superstitious, 519 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,880 you'll continue doing it. Like I put all my equipment on 520 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,200 my right side 1st and then my left. 521 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,040 So my right skate on 1st, then my left and I tie my right skate 522 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,160 first, then my left. Everyone has their own little 523 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,080 things. I would I would say spinning is 524 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400 just like one of those cultural things like everyone on the 525 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,240 bench does it. So you just kind of join in. 526 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,000 And that happens with a lot of those little nuancey details 527 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,880 that I think the show did a good job trying to include. 528 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,880 So I'm going to end there. Hopefully this answers some of 529 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200 the hockey related questions that people have and if you have 530 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,160 any more hockey related questions please let me know. 531 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680 I love talking about them. There's not a lot of hockey in 532 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,800 the show, obviously, but what they do show is pretty 533 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,920 insightful and there is a lot of subtext within the hockey that 534 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,160 if people are curious, I love talking about it 'cause it is 535 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,560 relevant to the character development and it's going to 536 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,640 become even more important in Season 2. 537 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,240 So hopefully the show makes some hockey fans out of people and 538 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,680 you'll watch the playoffs and then going into Season 2, you'll 539 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,000 have a better idea of what's going on with the players and 540 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,960 what they're facing. As always, if you made it this 541 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,400 far into the episode, thank you so much for listening. 542 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,160 I really appreciate it and I will be back soon with another 543 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,920 episode. Let me know if you have any 544 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200 topics you want me to cover. I've already got a good chunk of 545 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,840 them lined up for our next installment and I look forward 546 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,720 to receiving more from people who are following along with the 547 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,840 podcast, so I will chat with you all soon.