1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,920 Hi and welcome to K Let's Talk, the podcast where we break down 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,320 storytelling across books, television and film with a 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,480 special love for book to screen adaptation. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,800 Here we talk about crap character arcs, structure, 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,360 dialogue, visual language, and the creative choices that shape 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,560 how a story lands. If you like thoughtful, 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,400 conversational, deep dives into the stories you can't stop 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,040 thinking about, you're in the right place. 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Let's talk. Before we get into today's 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,360 episode, I do want to give a quick content note that we will 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,120 be discussing themes of depression and suicide, as well 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,560 as spoilers for the long game. If those topics are sensitive 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,480 for you, feel free to pause or skip this episode if you need 14 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:49,880 to. Hello everyone, welcome back to 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,240 the podcast. Lo and I are back and we were 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,240 reheating episode 5 and we're struck by Alexi's face during 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,800 the funeral confrontation and it became very clear to us that we 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,400 needed to do an in depth character discussion on Alexi, 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,080 formerly known as Andre Rosenhoff. 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,120 To start. Jacob wrote him in the show with 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,400 a much richer background and he also couldn't remember that his 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,040 name was Andre in the book and then decided to leave it when he 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,600 did realize. Which feels fittings since we 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,640 suspect he will continue to be relevant and have a big impact 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,360 going forward, where so far in the book Ilya has left Andre 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,520 behind in Russia and has never looked back. 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,080 And to be clear, Alexi, I have always in my head, said Alexia. 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,160 You can call him, I mean, yeah, Well, Alexia. 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,840 I feel like now I need to go. Alexia. 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,680 The whole episode to figure it out. 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,640 But so forgive me, I'm going to go in between Alexia and Alexia 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,080 probably, but not Andre. At any rate, to be clear, Alexi 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,160 is, like his predecessor, A flaming pile of dog shit in 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,800 season 1. But even if we never get a 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,000 redemption arc for him, it's still worthwhile to reflect on 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,920 why he is the way he is, how that impacted Elias development, 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,520 and the insights we can glean from his larger and more complex 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,640 showings in the TV show. So first we think we'll take you 39 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,800 through the funeral confrontation scene and all of 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,920 our new discoveries, and then we'll spin out into everything 41 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,120 else that we've been questioning, assuming, 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,520 speculating on on given Jacob's changes. 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,720 And you and I both, I think, agree that this character as 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,160 written by Jacob, is such a really beautiful example of how 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,200 to build a complex character that has very little screen time 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,400 effectively. Yes, and deep damaging 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,560 imperfections. Yes. 48 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:48,480 So in episode 5, the funeral scene between Ilya and Alexi is 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,440 probably the meatiest part of their interactions in the show, 50 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:56,240 given that we really only see them talking on the phone prior 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,000 to this moment. This is the first time we see 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,640 them face to face with one another, and it starts off with 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,920 the two of them across the dinner table. 54 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,560 So Alexi is on one side at the other end with his daughter, and 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,400 he's staring at Ilya. And this is probably a microcosm 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,920 of his last five months where we can see him sitting at the 57 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,640 table, but he's not really present there. 58 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,200 Even though he's with his family. 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,480 He kind of has this like look in his eye that he's thinking about 60 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,840 something else very deeply. And he's just, his anger is 61 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,360 evident. And him and Ilya have almost 62 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,680 this unspoken understanding of what is about to happen between 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,200 the two of them, because we then see Ilya stand up from the table 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 without the two of them even passing a word. 65 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,720 It's just a glare. And Ilya excuses himself and 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,240 makes himself available for Alexi to find him in that back 67 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,720 hallway. And I also think it's worth 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,600 noting that he does break that stare to briefly smile at his 69 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,080 daughter. And I think that is probably 70 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,960 what's been going on for the last five months, that he's 71 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,400 taking care of his dying father. He's fielding, you know, demands 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,160 of accountability from his rich brother across the world. 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,440 And then when he isn't with his father, he's with his family. 74 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,680 But there's not really much of him left, if there ever was any 75 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,880 to go around. And when we see him meet Ilya in 76 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,520 that back hallway space, we noticed that he touches his 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,600 nose. And a lot of people in my 78 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,120 comments on TikTok have said that that probably was some sort 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,440 of a tie in to his drug use. But you and I both, on the most 80 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,040 recent rewatch, clocked that he's nervous throughout this 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,440 entire conversation with Ilya. And Ilya touches his nose when 82 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,680 he's nervous as well. So we were thinking that might 83 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,360 have been an inherited cue. I also think it's worth noting 84 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,200 that Ilya does this when he's nervous. 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,680 And I have spun an entire theory that he inherited this from 86 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,640 Alexi because Alexi would have been four years older than him. 87 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:12,000 And so let's say that Ilya was 6810. 88 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,280 He would have had his brother who was more aware of whatever 89 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:16,640 was about to happen in his house. 90 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,480 And it sounds like there were explosive things happening in 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,440 his house. And if every time that Alexi got 92 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,080 tense and nervous when things are about to go down, he sniffed 93 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,200 and touched his nose, Ilya would have picked that up. 94 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,040 And also I think it is worth noting that even though Alexi 95 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,360 feels like the bully, he's nervous in this moment because 96 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,240 really, Ilya has all the power. Yeah. 97 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,400 And he? Definitely does. 98 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,600 I don't think Alexi has ever felt like he's ever had power, 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,440 ever. Ever. 100 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,440 It quickly went from his father to Ilya. 101 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:52,040 They're back. They're in the backroom. 102 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,840 He sniffs his nose. And then the next thing that 103 00:05:55,840 --> 00:06:00,120 happens is that Alexi puts his hands on Ilya. 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,520 And Ilya immediately yells get your hands off me. 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,000 And Alexi immediately tells him to be quiet because of everyone 106 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,800 that's outside eating. And to me that says that Alexi 107 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,560 has not lost control. He's very aware of what's 108 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,440 happening around them, which gives like a bastardized version 109 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,600 of Elda's daughter is like that you are aware at all times of 110 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,400 what other people are perceiving and controlling a situation. 111 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,560 And it also tells me that losing control is not required for him 112 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,480 to engage in physical altercation. 113 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,080 Yeah, He doesn't have to be prompted to the point of no 114 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,440 return for him to engage in it. Yeah. 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,440 It's it's a tool that he uses often because he is still aware 116 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,200 enough to shush Ilya. So the next thing that happens 117 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,960 of note is that Alexei calls Queen Svetta. 118 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,320 I'm working on my Russian pronunciation of Svetlana's 119 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,680 nickname. And so he says, now we have to 120 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,040 listen to this whore run her mouth. 121 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,840 And I think that probably is a sentence right out of his 122 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,000 father's mouth about their mother, because it rolls right 123 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,560 off his tongue. And on top of that, that Ilya 124 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,520 hears that and it is. Triggering probably. 125 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Triggering because it's something that his father would 126 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,680 say about their mother, who he was never old enough to protect. 127 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,080 But also he cares deeply for Svetlana. 128 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,840 And so that's a wrap for him. And he goes at Alexi and 129 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,840 Svetlana says he's not worth it. He's not worth anything. 130 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Which is a great way for us to infer, given that we know she's 131 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,080 a childhood friend, that anything she says about him 132 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,800 would be coming from an educated place. 133 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,760 She, she's known him for as long as she's known Ilya. 134 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,320 And so her opinion of him was formed over a long period of 135 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,240 time through many, many interactions, most likely. 136 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,560 And so that carries a lot of weight when you make her a 137 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,000 childhood friend, For her to chime in and say anything just 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,880 adds another level of complexity to the whole interaction between 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,280 them. And Ilya does get a right hook 140 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,080 in, which I'm sure humbles Alexi because Alexi has always used 141 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,760 physical altercation to his benefit. 142 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,040 And has been bigger than him and. 143 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,360 Has been bigger than him and Ilya probably has never been 144 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,600 pushed to physical altercation before because the number one 145 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,280 rule with his father was that you just take it. 146 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,240 You don't engage, you don't rise up because you're never going to 147 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,280 win, you're never going to intimidate him, so you don't 148 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,480 want to start that fire. Well, and also if you're 149 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,720 thinking about it in terms of hockey culture, he, he had said, 150 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,920 well, he says in the long game, he reflects on how he used 151 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,680 hockey as an escape for his anger when he was young and he 152 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:53,200 was able to channel it in a different way through sport. 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,160 So he wouldn't have had to enter into any of these types of like 154 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,600 physical altercations when he was younger because he was in a 155 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,360 hockey rink. So he was dealing with it in a 156 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,720 very different way than probably Alexi had learned to do because 157 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,240 he didn't have that type of environment to funnel all of his 158 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,840 anger into. He was dealing with it in a very 159 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,360 unhealthy way. And then Ilya's face is as close 160 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,400 to like, demonic possession you're ever going to get. 161 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,280 I mean, he is. Shaking. 162 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,640 Disturbed. Yeah, his hand is shaking. 163 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,200 And then in turn, Alexi's face, to me is pure terror. 164 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:29,040 Yeah. I don't think he's ever seen 165 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,320 Ilya this way. And if any, if any point he's 166 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,720 ever needed seeing Ilya be so emotional and angry that he 167 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,080 needs to be physically restrained, it was probably when 168 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,000 their mother died. But he was 12, right? 169 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,840 So very different. Very different, but it is 170 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,520 probably the most emotion he's ever seen out of Ilya maybe say 171 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,760 for that moment and it's full circle to be seeing that again 172 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,880 if it's again at their father's funeral. 173 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:02,200 And the other thing that I see possibly maybe optimistically on 174 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,400 Alexis face is a childlike vulnerability turning on like. 175 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,360 You and I both. Saw that like he's so shocked 176 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,240 and full of terror that it's like a childlike vulnerability. 177 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,320 And he looks like he could cry. And it's almost like when you 178 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,640 see a parent lose their shit, Yeah, like that someone that's 179 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,000 supposed to be protecting you. And I'm sure. 180 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,560 It disarms him, yes, the facade he puts on of being this tough, 181 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:32,760 strong bully persona is very quickly stripped away from his 182 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,480 eyes at least. And we've not seen him emote 183 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,280 anything other than anger in any of the quick scenes we see of 184 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,680 him on the phone. It's not like we get that much 185 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,680 insight into who he is really beyond that. 186 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:49,160 But even at the beginning of the the top of the conversation, he 187 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,520 doesn't look out of control at all. 188 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,880 He's he's pretty determined to get what he wants out of the 189 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,360 conversation. And then as soon as this 190 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,960 happens, he just looks totally disarmed. 191 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,280 And I think it reveals what is under the anger, which is a 192 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,800 fear. And then my biggest swing and 193 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,320 most unlikely but one can only hope, is that he probably 194 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,800 possibly used to be a protective older brother and he turned that 195 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,080 off for self preservation at some point at 131415 maybe. 196 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,240 Well, think about how old Ilya would have been at 14-15. 197 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,240 That would have been around the time when he threw himself into 198 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,760 hockey and funneled after his mother died. 199 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,160 He funneled all his energy into that. 200 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,520 And that's when their father's attention would have shifted 201 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,680 away from Alexi and more so on to Ilya. 202 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,800 And so, yeah, I could, I could imagine that he would have 203 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,240 changed his tune a little bit as Ilya's role in their family 204 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 dynamics changed out from underneath him. 205 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Ilya became a competitor almost and I think that was something 206 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,800 else that I saw in his face in addition to the terror and the 207 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,600 vulnerability was also maybe like a processing when this when 208 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,000 your sibling like becomes emotional in a way that you 209 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,280 didn't expect and you're processing it and it that's why 210 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,280 it kind of read as like a older sibling projective thing. 211 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,680 So we'll see. Yeah, that's if if Jacob even 212 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,240 writes more of him into anything, we we can be hopeful 213 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,920 that maybe there's some learnings about him potentially 214 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,600 in the therapy sessions. And then the other thing that I 215 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,680 think Alexi processes when Ilya is sort of in his arms, he's 216 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,800 sort of in Ilya's arms in this big emotion moment, is that Ilya 217 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,560 is protecting Svetlana, and he gets to protect Svetlana and 218 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,360 stand up to a figure of authority. 219 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,600 And I don't think Alexia has ever stood up to a figure of 220 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,920 authority. Successfully. 221 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,840 Successfully and he's never successfully protected the women 222 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,160 in his life. His mother died. 223 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,560 His wife and daughter are not being provided for by him 224 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,400 literally in this room to ask his brother for service aid. 225 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:09,240 So once again, Ilya is doing something that Alexei doesn't 226 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,840 feel is possible for himself. And then finally, Alexei is not 227 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,200 expecting Ilya to sever ties with him. 228 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,360 No, he's shocked. Shocked. 229 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,280 And so you see, as Ilya is making his speech about how 230 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,320 he'll take what I give you and you'll never speak to me again, 231 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,760 and if not, I will destroy you. Because he's fully realizing his 232 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,280 power and exercising it and making him feel Alexi feel 233 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,440 smaller than he's ever felt. And he was already a pretty 234 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,040 small individual. Alexi's lip quivers. 235 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,560 And the way that Jacob filmed this so that we have a shot up 236 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:53,080 close on his face to see that reaction so that we can't avoid 237 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,520 seeing that part of it. And then when he stops, he 238 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,800 actually turns and looks at Svetlana first. 239 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,480 Which means shows you how adrift he. 240 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Feels, yes. He's trying to look for anything 241 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:09,400 to save the himself basically from what's going on or get 242 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,600 anyone to side with him in any way. 243 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,040 And just like, talk Elliot down. Exactly. 244 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,760 And she doesn't, obviously. And then he turns all the way 245 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,960 around and has to look himself in the mirror, which is the most 246 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,440 unbelievable metaphor when you just had your younger brother 247 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,480 for the first time in your life emasculate you in such a 248 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,880 concise, like clinical way. And then you have to turn around 249 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,720 and look at yourself in a mirror. 250 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,960 Look at where he just punched you in the face because you 251 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,360 deserved it and admit to yourself that you are in the 252 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,600 wrong and that you got what was coming for you and walk back out 253 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,040 into a room full of people and act like this. 254 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 It didn't just happen and your life is falling apart. 255 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,880 And you can see him doing what we've seen Ilya do before, which 256 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,600 is, you know, straighten himself out. 257 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,360 So that appearance is wise. He looks like everything's 258 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,640 normal and masking again. And I also think when he's in 259 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,960 that, looking in that mirror, after taking in Ilya's words, 260 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,840 he's possibly realizing that he has no one left in this world, 261 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,480 especially he not only has no one left in the world, he does 262 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,920 have his wife and daughter that are relying on him and he has no 263 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,400 way to. He's been failing them. 264 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,240 Right. And he's left to his own devices 265 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,320 now, and he doesn't feel capable, without Ilya's aid, 266 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,360 clearly, to provide for them at all. 267 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,160 Or at least in the way that they need to be cared for. 268 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,880 And that would also be really interesting for him to grapple 269 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,840 with, given that he models his entire life after his father. 270 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,440 And it would be a moment where he would realize his father's 271 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,440 shortcomings, given that he's emulated his father's life and 272 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,240 fallen short with his own family. 273 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,520 It would be kind of like a light bulb moment of, yeah, my father 274 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,960 did truly fail me as well and failed Ilya and failed our 275 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,400 mother. And yeah, they clearly don't 276 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,960 have it harbor any love for their father at all. 277 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,560 I think Ilya does to a certain extent have a much softer spot 278 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,840 for him. Alexi seems like he's completely 279 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,960 resolved himself to not outwardly show any softness for 280 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,760 towards his father, but I think he does, just he channels it in 281 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,720 a different way. Well, and I also think the 282 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,600 father had a much softer spot for Ilia Alexi. 283 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,440 He did also, I like that the lighting in that room is green. 284 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,760 It's the only time we see green in the whole show, and for it to 285 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,280 be used in that moment when he's being so greedy emotionally and 286 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,600 monetarily of Ilya and Ilya finally says hell no and shuts 287 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,680 the door on him, I thought that was really smart to have that 288 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,000 coloring. It was really beautifully shot, 289 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,040 that whole scene. Yeah. 290 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,000 And that was his first day on set, and it was Ksenya's first 291 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,080 day on set as Svetlana. Incredible. 292 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,119 Yeah. And also, as he's leaving that 293 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,000 room, he knows that he's leaving Ilya and Sveta. 294 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,560 Yeah. Potentially for the last time. 295 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,880 Well, yes. But and also he's going out into 296 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,920 a room full of people that don't know him or don't respect him, 297 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:20,560 and they are going to have a moment of emotional comfort. 298 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,760 Yeah. Like he's vacating and Ilya is 299 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,160 going to be comforted by Svetlana and he's going to go 300 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,000 back out there and have to do the bravado that his father 301 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,600 always did and everything's fine. 302 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,000 Finished this whole funeral thing because he's the eldest 303 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,120 son. It would would have fallen on 304 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,800 him. We know he's his executor of his 305 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,320 will. Like the IT doesn't stop for him 306 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,680 in this funeral. Correct. 307 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,760 And it never did. And he said, and I get a moment 308 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,640 to breathe. And he said, do I get a moment 309 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,200 to breathe or is that just for? Well, yeah. 310 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,040 And imagine, like, Ellie gets to go back to the States and he 311 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,680 still has to liquidate everything his father owned. 312 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,640 He has a stepmom somewhere, theoretically, that he has to 313 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,280 grapple with. And what does she want? 314 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,160 What does that look like? What is she entitled to? 315 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,080 Their family is not doing well financially, so he's inheriting 316 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,480 that burden. Yeah, there's a lot. 317 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,600 Yeah, and I think he did make the point when do I ever get to 318 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,520 breathe? Because he took care of the 319 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,120 father, and as he's taking care of the father, he's also in the 320 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,040 back of his head thinking about how Ilya, it's very uncertain 321 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,160 what Ilya's going to do, and he is effectively dependent on 322 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,240 Ilya. Yeah, and has been proven. 323 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,800 And has been and so he has been scared the whole time, which I 324 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,280 think goes into your next great point. 325 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,920 Yeah, so after the scene, which in a separate conversation, I 326 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,480 think it's genius that they used Svetlana's encouragement as the 327 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,400 catalyst for Ilya calling Shane in that moment. 328 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,440 And we don't get that added context in the book of why Ilya 329 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 even called and what spurred him to do that. 330 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,400 So I think it's really brilliant that the show had this big 331 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,080 emotional beat take place. And then Svetlana be the person 332 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,760 to kind of confirm what he already knows at that point, 333 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,840 which is you have something special with Jane, Shane, go 334 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,800 take advantage of that. You don't want me and it's OK, 335 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,160 You can you can go be happy with the person who clearly makes you 336 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,080 happy. And for her to say that to him 337 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,960 as the only person close to him is huge. 338 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,400 So on the phone call with Shane, we in the rot in the monologue. 339 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,360 So Shane doesn't understand anything he's saying, but Ilya 340 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:33,800 does explain out loud to someone that first in English, his 341 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,840 brother is scared, which makes him terrible, and that makes 342 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Ilya terrible back. And like you just touched on, 343 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,960 the key here is that this kind of lets us know that Alexi is 344 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,920 always scared because he's always terrible. 345 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Which tracks because he's a coward and Ilya has talent, 346 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,760 charisma, intelligence to make him confident, and he knows 347 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,280 silence is the best way to deal with his father, even with all 348 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,360 of those things to stand on. And Alexi has none of those 349 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,120 things. And so. 350 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,120 Yeah. He's a coward and he's always 351 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:11,680 scared and he's always terrible. In the monologue, when he is 352 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,080 speaking in Russian, there's a lot of dialogue that Jacob added 353 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,120 to the show that is not pulled from the books because 354 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,960 infuriatingly, in the book, we have no idea what Elias says. 355 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,120 But what a dream for someone like Jacob to have the 356 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:28,520 opportunity to get to fill in the blank like he did. 357 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,480 And he says he always hated me, and I know why, but it kills me. 358 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Which is a loaded statement because as the viewer, we start 359 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,200 to then wonder, OK, well then what are the reasons that Alexi 360 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,320 might have for hating Ilya? And Jacob teased that up so 361 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,480 perfectly because he's now given Alexi a much more complex back 362 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,640 story. And so we're able to make the 363 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,200 inferences and draw parallels between his behaviors in the 364 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,200 show and what we do know of their dynamic in the source 365 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,520 material, which otherwise I don't think would ever be 366 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,040 afforded to us as viewers if he didn't beef up his character in 367 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,200 the way that he did. So all of those choices lead to 368 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,720 a really big payoff in this scene because it gets you 369 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,560 thinking as you're watching about the implications of that 370 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,960 statement. If Ilya feels that way, why does 371 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,880 he feel that way? And you and I both were really 372 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,240 immediately curious about digging deeper into that. 373 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,520 And it's clear that he holds a lot of resentment for Ilya. 374 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,360 And just a quick list of all the things that Ilya has that Alexi 375 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:37,680 doesn't. Money, power, status, eternal 376 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,880 admiration? Yep, looks, youth, personality 377 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,400 and agency. Yes, Yep. 378 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,520 Next part of the monologue that we reflected on is that he will 379 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,280 never forgive me, not for anything, for the fact that I 380 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,640 even exist. Which is the more exact? 381 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,520 Russian. Yes, the subtitles are not 382 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,760 accurate. And so all the different reasons 383 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,000 that he might hate him for existing are the next section of 384 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,120 our thesis. And the first one is Ilya as an 385 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:15,720 individual because he has been recognized as an individual 386 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,520 since he was a child because of his hockey talent. 387 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,440 And Alexi needed to be an obedient soldier under their cop 388 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,200 father. Under his thumb. 389 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,360 Fall in line. Follow the mold. 390 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,760 Eldest son. Emulate everything that his 391 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,400 father was. You're inheriting the family 392 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,840 name values. Traditions, meanwhile, you know 393 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,240 very much a culture of children should be seen and not heard. 394 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,800 Ilya was seen and was a child with talent on all the 395 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,160 recognized on all the teams by adults. 396 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,320 And then his father flew to the US for his draft. 397 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,320 Even though he didn't want Ilia to go to the NHL, he wanted him 398 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,000 to go to the KHL and it shows that Ilia has a certain level of 399 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,840 free agency to go against his father's wishes and still have 400 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,080 his father. Show up there. 401 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,760 Yep Yep. Then another point is the luxury 402 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:14,680 of kindness because Ilya is a very kind person and he also 403 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,560 would have likely received a lot more kindness in his life 404 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,960 because he was more naturally a likeful personality. 405 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Probably. He just seems like a genuinely 406 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,640 sweet kid and adult and sensitive. 407 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,920 And he was also good at sports, so like you just touched on, he 408 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,480 would have had way more attention from everywhere. 409 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,720 And he's younger so he would have had different treatment 410 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,280 than the stricter expectations of an eldest son. 411 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,200 And I think that Ilya has a softness, yes, from his mother. 412 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,200 And presumably Alexei loved his mother in that, yeah, typical 413 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,720 maternal way, but he didn't get to keep a softness the way that 414 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,160 Ilya does. And so I think that it angers 415 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,880 him that Ilya gets to be soft and have a piece of himself that 416 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,400 is still soft. And it's playing out in front of 417 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,960 him with Svetlana. Yeah, that. 418 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,480 I mean, it seems doubtful that his wife would be in the thick 419 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,680 of it like that. No. 420 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,160 And understand like the emotional dynamics. 421 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,560 And the fact that Ilya has maintained a friendship with 422 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,720 someone for that long, that that person comes back home with him 423 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,320 to a funeral, that's a very strong relationship that he's 424 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,440 formed with someone. And I don't think Alexi has the 425 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,320 ability to form a strong relationship with anybody in the 426 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,840 same way. And that's another, again, kind 427 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,720 of shortcoming of his that he would be able to weigh up 428 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,880 against Ilya, which is that Ilya has seemingly a lot of friends 429 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,200 as liked by everyone. His persona that he would be 430 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,760 watching from Russia is one where he's admired for all of 431 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,880 the qualities that Alexi was not allowed to exhibit at all. 432 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,120 Yeah, and Alexi had to model himself after his father for any 433 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,800 love or respect and for survival. 434 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,320 The next thing is we speculate from every phone call and 435 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,640 opportunity that Alexi has to throw gay slurs at Ilya. 436 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,560 He takes that opportunity and it's likely his way of asserting 437 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,520 any power over Alia that he has, even though he's also on the 438 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,280 phone with him to ask him to support him. 439 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,240 He's entirely dependent upon him. 440 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,800 And with the quote UN quote old school attitude that he and his 441 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,040 father live by and Russian cultural norms of the moment, to 442 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,960 be financially dependent on a gay person that is supposed to 443 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,600 be less than in an unacceptable way would be emasculating 444 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,320 totally. And so that's just one more 445 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,440 reason to hate Ilya for existing in that he is dependent on 446 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800 someone that. Well, he's escaping the 447 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,200 repercussions that are typically expected, like he's skirting 448 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,080 around. And also, I think in large part 449 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,440 that it helps because he's not in Russia. 450 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,760 So he's able to kind of get away with being this version of 451 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,520 himself. Meaning like free of all the 452 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,440 expectations Alexi has, he's not under his father's thumb. 453 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,400 He's living in another country. He's doing the thing he loves 454 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,720 and playing the sport he's good at and rewarded and rewarded and 455 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,120 rewarded for all of these things. 456 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,280 Whereas if he was back home in the same situation as Alexi, 457 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,560 where he couldn't leave, very different situation I think. 458 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,760 And Alexi, it recognizes that. And Elia gets to do all those 459 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,960 things and he is admired in Russia. 460 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,400 And so another reason that Alexi is. 461 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,480 When Ilya calls Alexi during the tuna melt scene after he gets 462 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,520 off the phone with his father, Ilya very quickly reminds him on 463 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,480 that voicemail that he's paying him to take care of their dad. 464 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,240 And we know in the book it's made more clear, but he does 465 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,480 mention that he has a stepmother, Paulina, who is much 466 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,160 younger than his father, which would make her perfectly capable 467 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,080 of being a wife to him and taking care of him. 468 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040 But she's not there. She's nowhere to be found. 469 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,920 And I'm sure for Lexi, he would feel as though it's really 470 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,040 unfair that Ilya's got no worries in the world. 471 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,800 He's off in the US doing playing a sport for a living. 472 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,360 And he's not considering the fact that Ilya has his own 473 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,280 things to grapple with when he's in the States. 474 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,680 But to Alexi, he's just goofing off with no worries in the 475 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,160 world, in the US, maintaining his family legacy in his image 476 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,600 without Alexi. Alexi has to uphold all of these 477 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760 things without any of the money or influence to do it. 478 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,200 And. Also, it's daylight when this 479 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840 phone call is made in so it. Would be the middle of the 480 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,200 middle. Of the goddamn night. 481 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,640 Yeah. The father is like having a fit. 482 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,280 And so, you know, yeah, Alexi's probably goddamn sleeping. 483 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,520 And where the hell is Paulina? And then you've got the brother 484 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,360 who like, it's one thing to be upset and it's another to be 485 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,000 like, and I God damn pay you and. 486 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,720 Well, but to be fair, he's calling Ilya in the middle of 487 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,200 the night asking him for money. Oh yes, no, again, there's no 488 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,880 Angel in Alexei. This is all very optimistic, but 489 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,240 in this moment. You could imagine how that would 490 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,520 upset him. Yeah, to be like God damn it. 491 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,040 Like, yeah, I'm asleep. I am asleep. 492 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,480 Our father is an asshole to me during the day. 493 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Give me peace. Give me a night of sleep. 494 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,160 We just He probably deserved it, but it is one more he's not 495 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,600 allowed to forget that he. Is on the clock. 496 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,320 Brother. And it never ends. 497 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,560 He doesn't ever get to breathe because you know that the father 498 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280 is on him all day, every day. You know that he's got the wife. 499 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,160 And that type of care is never ending. 500 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,120 Yes, never ending. And he, besides the drugs, he 501 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800 doesn't ever have a moment to himself like he's this. 502 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,960 And and on top of it all, under it all, he doesn't feel good 503 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,960 about himself. No. 504 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,040 Ever. Ever. 505 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,920 Yeah, I don't think he ever has. No. 506 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680 Yeah. So a couple of things we've 507 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,600 speculated. On Yeah, we've already begun the 508 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,240 speculation. Yeah, let's move into our 509 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360 speculation move. Again, to the speculation we 510 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,120 surmise we. Tried to envision what. 511 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,600 If we're if we're putting ourselves in the shoes of these 512 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,440 young men while their mother is alive, more than likely Alexi 513 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,520 was probably a shield for his mother until he got to the age 514 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,600 where he was able to leave the house on his own and get out of 515 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,240 that very toxic environment and put himself in different 516 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,320 situations. And I think he probably, as he 517 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,320 grew up and then his mother passes away, probably felt a lot 518 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,040 of guilt about leaving in that way and abandoning her and not 519 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,440 protecting her anymore once that shift in his age allowed him to 520 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,080 leave and she didn't get to leave. 521 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,800 And also, when you are a child in a situation like that, you 522 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,320 don't feel like a child. So he probably felt a lot of 523 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,000 responsibility. When he's 16, his mother dies 524 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,560 that he doesn't ever get to let go of. 525 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,040 And Ilya also couldn't protect his mother. 526 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:31,120 But Ilya was a child and still was able to emotionally connect 527 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,720 with his mother. Yeah, because Alexi was the 528 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,400 eldest son and his dad pulled him away from his mother, which 529 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,520 left the opportunity for Ilya and his mother to grow much 530 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,840 closer than Alexi and his mother would have been. 531 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Yeah, and it's clear Alexi does not develop the same emotional 532 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,880 IQ as Ilya does. And again, that is probably 533 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,640 because he's the oldest and his. Trauma is different. 534 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,680 Yeah, He's exposed to much harsher things. 535 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,040 And he couldn't provide for his mother emotionally, even though 536 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,280 he was older and clearly couldn't physically intervene, 537 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,760 even though he probably felt like he should have. 538 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,080 And his father probably pitted him against his quote UN quote 539 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,520 weak mother. Because that is the first thing 540 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,480 that Ilya says to Shane is I don't want you to think she was 541 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,320 weak. Yeah. 542 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880 So that was so, you know, he was throwing that around all the 543 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,640 time to both of them. Yeah, I think that feeds very 544 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640 much into in order to really understand either of them. 545 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,720 I think that understanding kind of the Russian cultural context 546 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,880 that they're raised within is really important because to us 547 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,720 it's unfathomable that that would have been acceptable 548 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,280 treatment. But, and it is, but I think 549 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,720 knowing that in that patriarchal society, their mother would be 550 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920 less important to their father than his eldest son. 551 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,840 He he would put more effort into his eldest son and fostering him 552 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,040 and. Especially this father and what 553 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,000 we've seen of this father, the Colonel. 554 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Yeah, then his mother and and Ilya picked up on that early on 555 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,920 that he was always accusing her of potentially cheating on him 556 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,360 and he was always looking for fault in her. 557 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,120 I mean, the woman's been dead for, oh, how many years? 558 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,320 Over a decade. Yeah. 559 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,040 And he's like, your mother can't tie a bow tie. 560 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Yeah, yes, he is like losing it, but. 561 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,000 Always belittling her in some way. 562 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Yeah, and, and ignoring her needs largely, obviously she was 563 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,240 very alone. And again, we can infer that 564 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,720 that is why her and Ilia grew so close to one another because the 565 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,960 father and Alexi were off on 1/2 of the house, you know, and that 566 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600 would leave her with with Ilia until. 567 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,760 Ilia gets good at hockey. That's when everything changes. 568 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,400 And so if Alexi ever did have any brotherly instinct, I think 569 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200 it quickly disappears when. Their mother dies. 570 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,960 Their mother dies, and also his status as like the older son 571 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,080 that the father focuses on disappears because now we've got 572 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,840 a little hockey star that he gets to parade around. 573 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,120 And so Ilya has everything. He's got the time with his 574 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,640 mother, the mother's personality, the looks, and now 575 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,400 he's going to be more important to the father. 576 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,120 Yeah. So he has nothing to feel good 577 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,960 about. No and no status within the 578 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,120 family. Yeah, he's obviously left by his 579 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,480 mother, and then his father essentially abandons him as well 580 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,920 in favor of Ilya. And then just like another 581 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,560 important part of the Russian context is like the sense of 582 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,560 duty and that it kills Ilya that he couldn't take care of his 583 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,920 father. Yeah, and in a sense of duty, 584 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,080 Alexei. Has no choice but to take care 585 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,640 of his father. Has no choice to take care of 586 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,920 his father and but also he is in the father's mold as like the 587 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,280 duty patriarch whatever, but he does not have the chops to back 588 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800 it up and so he is doomed from the start. 589 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,120 Total Yep. And you see that very early on 590 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,639 with his family dynamics, that he's not being a dutiful father 591 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,719 or partner or brother or. Brother. 592 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,239 And so I think that we want to end with looking at everything 593 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,880 from Alexis POV. Putting ourselves in his shoes 594 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,080 and in his head and with all the context we've been given. 595 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,040 Yes. And so he says himself that he 596 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,280 has never had a minute to breathe. 597 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,960 He uses the drugs as an escape and. 598 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,760 Probably did from a very young age. 599 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,560 Yes, that's probably what he was doing when he was, we've 600 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,080 decided, leaving the house. Leaving the house. 601 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,040 And then he he is watching the father die, I'm sure enduring a 602 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,719 lot of emotional and verbal abuse from the father because 603 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,560 he's distressed and felt everything. 604 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,120 And while his father is dying, he has no idea what Ili is going 605 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,920 to do about the money. And so he's worrying about that. 606 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,080 So there's not even. And his father didn't have any 607 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,480 money left himself, correct? It's not like he's inheriting 608 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,200 anything from him, correct? He's inheriting the problems. 609 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,960 Correct. And then Alexi says himself. 610 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,560 I've never had a minute to breathe either. 611 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,920 Is that just reserved for people that abandoned their families? 612 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,680 And so Alexi tells on himself that he feels abandoned. 613 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,040 And he was abandoned like by his mother, however the 614 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,680 circumstances were. And now his father has died and 615 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,560 certainly wasn't exactly present for him before that. 616 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,560 And his brother abandoned him by going to the US and is about to 617 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,560 abandon him fully fully. And so we established right 618 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,320 before he is cut off that he has an abandonment wound. 619 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,360 And then Ilya just. Like Ilya has an unlovable 620 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,600 wound. We also talked about how when he 621 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,600 was younger, because he's four years older than Ilya, he would 622 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,000 have been so much more aware of his mother's mental health and 623 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,520 the likelihood of her dipping into a very, very dark place in 624 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,080 a way Ilya wasn't. And in particular, he probably 625 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920 would have been aware that his mother was suicidal. 626 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,560 And that comes with a lot of uncertainty and worry. 627 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,600 You know, like you don't every day. 628 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,560 You don't know when you're waking up, like what you're 629 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,160 going to find. There's also an interesting 630 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,080 thought of you had mentioned that she might have had 631 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,520 postpartum depression that never went away. 632 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600 Because it was never addressed. And yeah, he would have been 4. 633 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,520 But there could have been a reality in which he would have 634 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200 remembered what she was like before her depression. 635 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480 Because we don't know. There's no way of knowing when 636 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480 it would have started, what would have started it. 637 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200 He could have known her before. Yeah. 638 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,320 And the reason that the postpartum on the table is 639 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,360 because of the way Ilya says that he hates him for existing. 640 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,200 And then with his mother, he probably resents his mother for 641 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,000 not protecting him from his father and then leaving him in, 642 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400 you know, however little choice she had. 643 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,200 Like from his POV that is. Like if he was so young he could 644 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,880 also just view that as an extremely selfish thing of her 645 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,440 to have done unfortunately. And we certainly know that he 646 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,240 doesn't have a high emotional IQ and that his father does not 647 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040 view mental health as a legitimate concern. 648 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,440 That probably is the narrative anyways. 649 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,280 And he was. That she was weak. 650 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,920 Right. And that she was weak and, you 651 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,240 know, she, he should blame her. So he's got abandonment from his 652 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:42,360 mother, obviously his father. He probably somewhat hates his 653 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,440 father and he doesn't like being like his father, but he 654 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,640 certainly is his father. Yeah, but he has no other 655 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,240 example of how to be. He was never shown another way 656 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,720 to be. It was all strong men who, like, 657 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,600 use intimidation. And emulating his father creates 658 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,160 safety and some approval. Yeah. 659 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,840 But he can't be harmed by him if he is like. 660 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,640 Correct. But he also had Ilya's mother 661 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,960 and so and then he's got Ilya as a brother. 662 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,880 And so I think that he sees Ilya and is often reminded of his 663 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,760 mother and reminded of all the things that he isn't or doesn't 664 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,920 get to be. And then he's a family man, 665 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,560 quote UN quote. And that means he has 666 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,600 responsibilities and he. Different from Ilias. 667 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,280 Totally different from Ilias and we have of course done the math 668 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,040 and he's married by 21 or 22. And he's a dad by 23. 669 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,880 And his wife and daughter relying on him is possibly 670 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,760 probably reminiscent of his mother relying on him when he 671 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,760 couldn't do anything for her. And he clearly doesn't think he 672 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,640 can provide money or life for his wife and daughter now. 673 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,200 Yeah, without help. Without help and just wait until 674 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,960 he finds out Ilya has an emotional connection with Shane. 675 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,160 Actually loves his partner. Can provide for his household 676 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200 and doesn't have to because his partner is also a multi. 677 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:12,960 Millionaire. Yeah. 678 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,480 Just another way in which Ilya has everything he cannot and 679 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,360 does not and has will never have. 680 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,720 Yeah. And then just a couple of other 681 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,480 observations when he calls Ilya, because again, we went through 682 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,200 these phone calls and did all kinds of calculations. 683 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,400 When he calls up Ilya, it is a he is exercising a security net 684 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,960 that Ilya will provide money. And it's sort of like at no 685 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,040 matter what age, even as an adult, when your parent dies, 686 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,400 you feel a little less protected and a little more alone and a 687 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,120 little less looked out for. And I think that that security 688 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,800 net of being able to call your brother is something even when 689 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,440 it's transactional and it's about money, it is a security 690 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,360 net and he fucks with him because it gives him a way to 691 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,560 feel bigger when. Responsibilities that he can't 692 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,480 fulfill make him feel small, and the only way he can fulfill them 693 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,360 is by calling Ilya for more money and so he already feels 694 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,880 small then he's has to call his brother and that makes him feel 695 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200 smaller, so he's. Got to do something to make 696 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,560 himself not feel so pathetic. Correct, and that usually is him 697 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,360 throwing F bonds at Ilya. We don't need you, Ilya. 698 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080 Yes, yeah. All of those lines are. 699 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,960 We. Detecting himself from. 700 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,560 Exactly the truth. We don't need you, but I am 701 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,880 calling. You, but I need you. 702 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,480 For everything, for everything. And also on those phone calls, 703 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,600 he says that his father is fine, Papa is fine. 704 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,480 Yeah, completely ignoring the reality of the situation. 705 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,640 He's ignoring the reality of the. 706 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,960 Situation. He's in denial. 707 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,080 He's in denial. And you know, I did get rebuffed 708 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,320 for this, but I will say it again, in the most optimistic 709 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,400 world, he he doesn't mention if he does notice his father's 710 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,440 issues, he doesn't mention them to Ilya because Ilya's across 711 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,000 the world. What's he going to do about it? 712 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,120 And you know that wasn't received well. 713 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,480 You. I don't think he would ever do 714 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,760 like prevent himself from telling Ilya how bad it's gotten 715 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,400 to protect his feelings. Correct? 716 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,680 I just don't. He's just too big a piece of 717 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,680 shit. Correct. 718 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,160 And he doesn't have the emotional intelligence to like, 719 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,280 be considerate at all. Correct, but I do think that his 720 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,880 father ignored his mother's mental health issues and so he's 721 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,360 going to ignore his father's mental health. 722 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120 Issues, but that has nothing to do with keeping them from. 723 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,440 I know. Listen, it was it was a really 724 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,560 it was a shot in the rainbow land, OK. 725 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,200 And then the last. Thing OK if Alexi was afforded a 726 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,920 Russian monologue, even if it was just an internal one, she 727 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,360 wrote what he would say yes to himself or into the void. 728 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,080 Yeah, we were, of course, watching the long-awaited 729 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,520 Russian monologue. Again. 730 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,880 Again. And we were doing that after 731 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,960 looking at the funeral scene through the eyes of Alexi. 732 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,200 Yes. And so as Ilya was talking, I 733 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000 was thinking no one is the villain in their own story. 734 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,200 And Alexi could probably say a lot of the same things, which 735 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,480 makes sense because they have a lot of the same wounds, but 736 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,640 again, has a whole lot less capability than Ilya on every 737 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,320 front. Yes. 738 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,440 So this is Alexi's internal Russian monologue. 739 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,120 Everybody leaves me. Everyone wants something from 740 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,360 me, mother. Protect me father, be the 741 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,920 perfect son. Fill the mold, be strong, be 742 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,440 tough brother, take care of Papa. 743 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,160 My brother hates me because I'm like our father, but I had no 744 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,600 choice. He gets to choose because he got 745 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,960 out. I could not leave and it meant 746 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,920 Ilya got left alone and got to be something else. 747 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,400 But it's never enough and I'm a constant fuck up. 748 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,520 Everyone is always telling me how I fall short, that I'm not 749 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,280 worth anything, shout outs Ilana, and I'm a bad person and 750 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,960 he's got no way to go up from there. 751 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,680 Yeah, especially now that Ilya has cut him off completely. 752 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160 Yeah, he just has to go back out into that funeral. 753 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,360 Yeah. And keep up appearances. 754 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,560 And the fact that Jacob Tierney builds this complex of character 755 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:34,000 with three phone calls, a few text messages, and this one 756 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680 funeral scene is a hustle is a feat. 757 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,880 Yes, and big ups to Slavic for the 10,000 words he says with 758 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,320 his funeral. Face yeah, he's he's just as 759 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,480 great an emotive actor as everybody else on this show, I 760 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,200 think. And him coming in as a character 761 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,520 actor in this way. And I think too, what's really 762 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:59,720 cool about this storyline and how well fleshed out it is, is 763 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,320 I, reading the book, could take her leave on Trey. 764 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,640 Mostly leave, mostly leave because he didn't really add 765 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,680 anything other than frustration. And he instigated Ilya. 766 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,680 And yeah, you need that to some degree. 767 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,800 But at a certain point he's not moving any of the plot further. 768 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,040 Whereas I think that the way he's set up Alexi, Jacob set up 769 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,920 Alexi in the show and also included the trust for his niece 770 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,600 or Alexi's daughter. And we've seen the daughter grow 771 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,120 up on screen, you know, as subtle as she has featured. 772 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,640 We've seen that they could take this. 773 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:41,520 And I would actually be thrilled if he showed up on my screen 774 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,840 again in Season 2 because I'm now enthralled with what's going 775 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,000 on here. I don't need him to be redeemed, 776 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,400 I just find him interesting and he's such a great window into 777 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,280 Ilya that he's not in the books, not in the same way. 778 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:02,440 I agree, and I think even if someone is not worth anything, 779 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,600 they are still a human being and to write them off as anything 780 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,080 less is to do a disservice to the story. 781 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,440 Yes, I think that in an ideal world, Ilya go going to therapy 782 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,120 and discussing his family life, because we know he does in the 783 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,040 book, will include really deconstructing this relationship 784 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,520 with Alexi. Because in the book he really 785 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,840 only digs deep about his mother and his father, and he doesn't 786 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,000 touch on his relationship dynamic with his brother. 787 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,720 And now you have such a unbelievable foundation to work 788 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,760 off of. Yeah, for a big payoff. 789 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,840 And I think, as we've said, Ilya's major wound is being 790 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,520 unlovable. And he says flat out in the 791 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,840 Russian monologue, my brother hates me. 792 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,200 He's always hated me for existing. 793 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,280 And I think if he in therapy looks at Alexi's life and 794 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,800 Alexi's POV, he'll realize that. It's not that. 795 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,760 Yeah, Alexi doesn't hate him. He feels abandoned, and Ilya is 796 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,480 one of the people that's abandoned him, and it's Saul in 797 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,000 the wound. But he doesn't hate him for 798 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:14,760 because Ilya is Ilya. Yeah. 799 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,360 And so. And that's on human dynamics and 800 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,000 complicated relationships and. And that's on the reheat keeps 801 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,320 on giving. Yes, it. 802 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,840 Really does. It just keeps coming. 803 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,360 So I know he's a a controversial character, but we would love to 804 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,920 hear your opinions and thoughts on Alexi and what Jacob has done 805 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,480 with his character, how he compares to the book if you want 806 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,600 to see more of him in season 2. Because we both do. 807 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,680 And yeah. Even a flaming pile of dog shit 808 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,160 throws warmth. Eloquently pushed. 809 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,440 As always, if you've made it to the edge, thank you so much for 810 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,640 listening and we will be back with a new episode to talk about 811 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,800 another probably heated rivalry topic with you all. 812 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,760 For now. For now, bye bye.