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Hello and welcome to the first collaborative podcast of the Ed
up, AI podcast and the Ed up. Ed Tech podcast with Holly
Owens. And our guest today that we're
going to be talking to and interviewing and learning
everything about in terms of AI and everything else is Eric.
James Stevens. Iarc welcome.
Thank you, both, for having me here.
I am very excited to have this conversation with you because
this is just cool stuff. Absolutely, it's going to be
fun. I'm super Sighted.
And I can jump in with the first question Eric and you can feel
free to address it how you want and work in what you're doing
right now and everything else. Cuz I know that right now, you
have your own daily job that you're doing full time and then
you're also starting something and are and an entrepreneur for
rhizome. So how would you describe what
you're doing at your they job with AI and then also with that
other projects, okay? I like that question the job
that I have. Now, I'm a business intelligence
developer working with power bi. And so this is a company that
construction company that's been around for over 100 years but
now they're asking themselves, like, what can we learn from our
data? And that's where I love to be
in. Love to work is figuring out
complex problems. What's that?
A lot of fun? I've had chat gbt open the whole
time asking like what does this mean in this environment or I
used? Do this at Tableau.
How do I do it? Power bi.
And it will tell me the different calculations that I
need. It's been a lot of fun, but
that's not why we're here, we're here because we're talking about
Ai and star. I am working on the sting of
called project rise up and I am building an AI powered teaching.
I believe that one of the biggest things that teachers
need back in their lives is time and one of the biggest time
constraints that they have is the S of grading writing
specifically. I want to be able to create
something that helps teachers. Do that task better and faster.
In a way that students also learn how to write better than
they are right now as someone who has been thinking about and
writing about the ethical use of Big Data.
Since 2016, I feel like I I cannot.
Watch someone else build something.
And then critique it, if I was an academic, that still what I
would be doing is I wouldn't have a saying but now that I
know how to do data and now that I know about these different
things I want to be able to be the one to build it to be able
to say, hey let's bring in a variety of people.
Let's do these different things. At this first phase of product,
rhizome that were talking about is a Grassroots data collection
for student essays. I want to create an AI that can
Assess student writing, I fundamentally, I'm against using
data that's been scraped or bopped from the web or from a
University universities can sell writing from their students.
I don't think that's a good thing.
I don't think people know a lot about that, they don't assume
that and that's totally true. That's definitely a need to
know. It is idea who owns an essay, so
I believe that the person who wrote it, owns it and I want to
collect it from them. I applied to this idea,
accelerator called Builders and backers, and they're being
funded by Heartland forward. Either be amazing people.
Take you so much all those people, but they gave me five
thousand dollars in order to conduct an experiment.
Other people are hiring coders to build things or their bill
buying product. I wanted to give that five
thousand dollars away. I'm giving away five thousand
dollars to ten different people, 10 people get 500 bucks.
I already gave away one person hurting semper, she's awesome.
Gave her 500 bucks last weekend and this weekend I'm giving away
to someone else $500. I am asking people to post about
it. I'm trying to share it.
I'd convinced my kids to pass out flyers with me.
Last night, I went over to, I went to the University of Tulsa
and we did break into library, but we found somebody to let us
into the library. We just surpassed out flyers to
people because I want this aai and not be an individual person
building, it has to be a collaboration and it has to be
done on ethically sourced data and that's what I wanted.
Well, this sounds amazing. I'm so glad that were partnering
for this episode because this is totally Ed up at Tech jam
without Eric this journey, I know you boast three episodes
and then add as they'll walk. But now I'd it's back up and
going I can't not. Isn't that what we talked about
when we were talking with Linda? E is how that's how it works
though. You stop it and then you go back
to and you go back to the drawing board.
So we're glad you're back. You're back at this spot here.
Tell us about more about what people can do to help you
collect this data. The you mentioned, the 5,000,
and the 500. And obviously, we'll put
everything in the show notes if you're interested in
contributing to Eric and the data that he is collecting.
So, tell us a little bit more about that situation right now.
There are really Things that people can do to really help
build one is the actual like helping collection of essays.
So if you have essays submit them and I'm not I don't just
need them from current students. I'm about to get my perspective
on my dissertation. Exactly.
So it's between 3 and 15 pages, right?
But it could be for any discipline, right?
Because and the reason that it's called rise own as this is
because I believe like writing is a rhizomatic thing.
A rhizome is something that grows nebula.
Ashley, there's no single point of origin.
Writing has no single point of origin.
There is an every discipline is infested with this writing
thing, any writing from any class.
I will take because I believe fundamentally that what makes a
good transition in a history class is a good transition in a
biology class, anybody who's selling something otherwise is
selling you something. That was fun of it.
But so there's the one there's actually like collecting data or
collecting assays. I'm a this I'm hoping to
graduate students are hearing me well, except their writing and
I'll accept their students writing.
They have the other thing is that I'm collaborating with the
Ed up experience as a whole with joy Holden and we're doing a
state of student writing survey where professionals like
yourselves education leaders teachers can go out and share
their opinions about what they feel on the state of Writing.
We're going to take those results, are going to publish a
white paper and that's going to be fun.
The Third Way that people can help is by signing up to learn
more. This next phase right now is
phase one that's getting my data base to is training my data.
Now I'm going to be sitting by myself, reading whole bunch of
sentences and Grading and training an algorithm about how
would Eric rate of paper. Or I'm not even going to find a
team of five people. And I'm so we could say like,
how would this group of five people read these essays?
I'm going to use a crowdsource model where people can log-in.
I could vet there, I can make sure they have credentials and
they should be assessing essays. And then I'll give them, they'll
be able to enter into this platform and be able to help me
train my sentences. I'll give them a sentence.
I'll ask them a question. Be like, Mark, this?
How, what do you feel about this?
And tell me why, and then my goal is essentially every single
essay that I get is going to be Greg graded and red based
against a rubric criteria, right?
And as a as an instructor, I love that so much, right?
And he singled I say understanding each criteria is
going to be great at twice, double blind peer review.
I have like, when you look at the, I'd like the question.
Does this paper have a good transition?
That question is probably 15 different questions about
transitions that you as an individual.
Do not have the time to ask every single paper.
I can train an algorithm to do that.
Let's say that my Final count is 20 criteria.
That means that every sentence from every submission that I get
will be read 40 times. And that's the data that were
feeding the, that's why is a large language model?
That's why it's big data is because we're creating metadata,
my contention, is that the number one problem with all
artificial intelligence at out there today is not the
algorithm. It's the quality of data that
they're using. That's what I want to address
fundamentally. I'm going to need help creating
all of that data so you can sign up and help me do that.
That comes, you can create an account and Le box score boards
and stuff, and that leadership boards will be fun.
Yeah, that will be fun gamified a bit.
Make some competition out of it, I love it.
Exactly. Not my brain is going a thousand
different directions. Every time we chat, that's what
happens. But that's a good thing.
I'm thinking about, in terms of AI has become everybody's an
expert right now, and it's very new.
It's a very new frontier. So as you are embracing this
entrepreneurship into the AI space, how How are you dealing
with that? And like your life and
navigating? All these are people, like I
know this and a eyes bad here because New York City public
schools has already banned. It's not allowed there or
institutions of are abandoned. How are you?
Navigating that space? As you're stepping into this
entrepreneur a journey I think part of it is recognizing when
to step I mean in early January I was reaching out to Jason.
We were talking about fuss do a series of different things and I
was like, okay this to me I was Ramping up because I like to be
a voice. I like to be on the stage and I
just saw exactly what you mentioned.
Is that this is just going so fast and so, there's so much.
You cannot be an expert. I think the only true experts on
AI that exist, are the experts that were talking about AI
before November 20, 20? Those are the people that we
should really be thinking were attempted to.
But here's what I think, the reason that there are so many
experts in AI, Is because so many experts exist, an AI just
makes an expert better. A lawyer, who knows how to use
chat, GPT is not really going to do well, teaching a marketing
person or marketer how to use chat CPT for her skills.
Right? A car mechanic is going to use
chap TP differently than a doctor.
But the point is it that this is The Equalizer.
We are giving everybody Access to information at your
fingertips. As rather than going in trying
to compete, what everybody else is doing, I just want to go and
support what everybody else is doing knowing confidently.
That there is no one else that is going to build what I'm
building is everybody else is worrying about algorithms and
I'm focusing on data. That's awesome and I don't know
I want to ask this question. Algorithms are so important
especially on social media sites.
I'm going to hold back on that one real quick.
I'll let Jason Jump in, I'm going to hold back on the
algorithm question, the vs the data.
So Jason, you'd pop in here. I definitely want to come to
that and there are go with dings.
So as you were talking Eric, I had these clusters in my mind
that I was creating as you were walking you through.
Through a project rhizome is actually doing the first cluster
is how your project is a microcosm.
In many ways of a lot of the issues and concerns and Concepts
that were thinking about with a. I when we think about
transparency and ethics and who is managing knowledge bases.
If we go into chat gvt, sometimes it's really hard to
figure out where that knowledge is coming.
In from and who's controlling that data or sourcing that data,
I think you got to change as we go forward.
But it's always been a question built into the use of AI and the
other concept that you brought out is you're talking about
project. Rhizome is social building,
right? And really creating in public
and using people, and I think associated with that connected
to that is this question of what happens to the expert.
But in the age of a, I think there's a lot of anxiety about
that and I was literally reading a book titled, the new laws of
robotics by Frank Pasquale, and that's what he talks about.
His argument is actually that AI makes the expert more valuable,
but actually gives them more value, socially culturally, and
hopefully economically. That's one of the con clusters
that I started to create out of your talking, the other Idea
that you brought up, which really spoke to me.
Personally, I know, Holly is someone who teaches all the
time, just like Lee spoke to you, too.
It's just how much time you can save and how you can repurpose
or time to do, very high impact things.
For my perspective, that is fundamentally true.
It used to take me four hours to create a personalized rubric for
class. It now takes me four minutes.
It's it. You turn take me and I minute of
it. Yeah. 15 minutes to write
student feedback and everything else.
It now takes me about a minute and a half, right?
Editing, a podcast. Used to take me two hours.
It now takes me eight minutes. That's like that were, that's
what we're talking about. That's why we're talking about
the level of time-saving. And so, a project, like project
rhizome, at least for me is a model.
Others can use for how you can ethically sourced data and be
transparent about where it's coming from and all of that.
I want to follow this up with a question about project dry Zone
and I think it's connected to a lot of those Concepts that you
brought up, but then also your focus on assessment.
So how personalizable is it? Because you mentioned using data
from different disciplines different levels.
So is their way, the project rhizome.
Um would be targeting that feedback for a student of a
particular skill level say, they're still struggling with
something, it's not a student who's say a freshman in college
versus a senior in college. Is that feedback tailored or how
it was that working in terms of your individual project?
Yeah. So I'll say this, one thing to,
I think that the way that you described How you heard these
different themes. And talking about clustering is
exactly why artificial intelligence is intelligence and
human life. Because that is what artificial
intelligence does. It looks at a whole bunch of
content and then it clusters it by topic and then predicts based
on that clustering, what it should say that is the exact
same thought process it. That is why it's called a neural
network. It's mimicking neurons and so
that's just a really cool thing for me.
I'm glad that you did that to address your question, one of
the data points. That I'm collecting is the
level. So I'm accepting writing from
any discipline when a user goes in and submits their writing I'm
asking them a whole bunch of questions about their writing so
that I can then tabulated that and find Trends and patterns
later. So one of those questions is
what is the name of the class? Is this, a history class is a
biology class that kind of thing?
The other one is at what level is it is.
I'm accepting 9th grade writing through doctoral level writing,
like through post-grad because So I believe this fundamentally
that the core principles of a writing class and a postdoc is
the exact same lesson plan. You're going to get in 9th
grade. They're the same thing just the
complexity changes but the core principles are what writing is
stays the same? That's why writing is a meta
discipline when we get to phase 3 or 4 when we get to the stage
of developing the personalized feedback and probably tapping
some like other large language models.
Do that makes it sound better like chatty PT or something.
But being able to say, okay, like what, how would you model
this feedback if the student was in ninth grade versus in
postdoctoral? They might be a bike, not be
able to bit more short with them, over to the point.
The, because we're collecting this data about the writing
itself, will be able to find patterns, we will be able to
bike me said before, ask AI to see what clusters exist.
So that we may not see right there may be other clusters or
themes and what I said but we didn't see them because we're
not artificial intelligent and looking at everything over time.
That's why Collecting the data is so important.
One of the largest data models are one of the largest data sets
that a lot of these large language models are being
trained on are from high school essays written for the SATs, you
can actually go and find a spout database of twelve to fourteen
thousand student, written essays by the reason chat T.T like
gives you a standard five paragraph essay.
When you just type in a regular question is because it was
trained. On high school, 5, paragraph
essays. And they were being trained and
graded by people who preferred long-winded writing.
So the reason chat Jiggy T is for boasts, is because of the
data and the metadata about it. I don't believe this might be
getting on a tangent now. Right?
I don't think that the solution to our problems is to embed
English 101 into a biology class.
I don't think English 101, is a good practice of writing because
when you get to the business world, you're taught how to be
more concise like you're taught to be using.
What's called plain language, right?
So there's the Obama passed, the plain language act 2010.
That's what I want to embed, right?
I was talking to people who teaching mbas and they say one
of their biggest things that teaching their students, how to
write less be more concise, tours, it better.
And that's what how we train chat, Chiquitita, better Outlook
to make this answer shorter. It's like when off on a big
tangent there but your answer to that question.
Bay's two or three there's going to be that personalized level of
feedback based on a discipline and based on level.
But rather than Starting with that discipline or that level
and saying this is how each sound.
We're asking the data first how it should sound, so reacting to
the data and not coming in with our own biases and begin.
And I like it. So, I was going to ask, there's
a lot of pushback about this, like using this AI stuff and
obviously not in this room, we're all just, let's do it.
Let's use it. Let's have fun with it.
Let's see what we're doing. How would you approach the
situation of the people who are already resisting?
This sort of situation where students writing is going to be
filtered through a system and then they're going to get
feedback. How would you deal with the
reserve resistant? That is on the rise again.
Again, with technology in this new innovation with AI in chat
GPT, how would you approach that in the seat that you're in right
now and deal with that? That's a loaded question.
By the way, back in the day, back in the day, couple thousand
years ago, Leto was a ranting and raving right about the
creation of a new technology that would ruin thinking.
He was talking about the alphabet.
Every single time, something new happens.
People will not like it and they'll disagree with it.
And I think that has far more to do with one's experience in life
and where they are in life and how much they're willing to
learn something new versus not new.
That determines that. So when I encounter someone
who's I'm not gonna do that, my response is okay.
I'll see you in five years. When you shout like, they're
gonna, I know that because I have already seen this actively
happening where I have a friend, he's a CEO of a company and he
hires people, and before he would hire a teachers to create
content for him now, he hires one teacher that uses chat GPT
to create content for him. The people who are saying this
is not something I need to worry about.
Do not understand how fundamentally intertwined their
lives, already are with AI and how they are going to be
intertwined with a, I just in the product of sweets with
Microsoft and Google that now hat, their copilot, and they're
barred embedded in. Whatever we got, call it you
cannot Escape it and if you're actively resisting it, You are
actively putting yourself at risk.
I am a huge fan like you need to be an early adopter.
If only to be asking those heart, ethical questions to be
getting. So you're not dealing with
changing a procedures. Number of be the one to
implement the change. Not the one that has to deal
with someone else, child me to change and so I guess that I
think there's always reason to be cautious, but I think that
we're all good crap that we talk about our age demographic of
everything that we've I've lived through like we can go through a
lot like Wars and teres attachment so many things.
Holy moly. We are living through a modern
Industrial Revolution that is happening. 10 times as fast
where you can see daily change instead of monthly or yearly
change, we're going to seize bit out of like an update.
You don't have to say, it's got to be in the SAS and it's got a
spit out an update. Yeah, it's instantaneous.
I think that there is going to be amazing things that happen.
I believe that artificial intelligence will be the
introduction of a permanent four-day work week.
Like we like artificial intelligence will show us that
working 40 hours a week is no longer required and we can have
more Leisure Time and happiness. There's a lot of good have going
to come out. I really do and we can go
dystopia if you want to and it's gonna get there but also man,
it's beautiful. I used to brought up so much
Eric that I want to talk about the first is your point which I
think is so pivotal for the higher ed sector.
It's that AI has been around for a long for a while.
This kind of tech has been around, will really change with
Shao. Qi, PT, is that it was pushed
into the public imagination and the ux was made so much more
accessible. That's the big thing.
That Chad, TBT did creating the chat function.
So it was almost About the you. That's design of it, then the
actual Tech and it's so worked into our lives.
And so are going to it that we almost.
And even notice there are a lot of us, don't even notice it was
happening. Then the other thing you brought
up and seemed to suggest was that Tech like chat?
Gbt is the tip of the iceberg. He's our a just early moved.
So I like to think about what people might think, 50 years
from now. And one of the The things I
think that they will do is 50 years from now.
Children are going to be in school and they're finished.
Show them chat GPT and they're going to be horrified about how
bad it is. How awful a product that is?
Instead Altman is also talked about this by the way.
He said that. Just so you know, she actually
be cheeps kind of awful as a user experience.
It's down all the time you have to.
Now spend all of these hours figuring out how to use it and
super it Hank. He's less example Sager.
This is awful Prada but it really gave us something that we
can play with and I think that 50 years from now.
It's good. Hey guys going to be so much
more advanced in terms of being user friendly so you won't have
to as a lot of us. Did I did spend weeks really
play with it to be like oh I gotta use it now and I just
going to continue to advance and it's advancing every day and I
want to follow it up with a question Eric.
That's Nected to that and you mentioned and I think you're
absolutely right. That AI is an industrial
revolution. That's changing every day every
week. How do you stay on top of it.
What do you follow? What do you look at?
How do you feel like you're at least abreast of what's
Happening? I'll say that.
I don't feel like I am because just like you said, because
Chance CPT is such an easy user interface.
And because anybody can access it using their own expertise,
there are just dozens of applications that I'm seeing
every day. I love watching tic toc like a
lot of the idea generation that I get is from other people who
get on and share, what they're doing.
I'm pretty active on LinkedIn, I'm constantly scouring.
The news is social media, like I consume a lot of information
from a variety of different resources and so I think that
helps it A lot, I'm a big fan of the content just in Feinberg I
think his name is and Rachel Woods on Tick-Tock specifically
the AI exchange newsletter. I think is like the go-to place
to get information. I also have a really good friend
of mine, his name is Ben but we talk about data.
He's the one that helped me with my dissertation research.
During use the data scientist that I collaborated, with me and
Katie. So, I don't know if that was
like a I think the answer to your questions can be applicable
for the people who are listening.
Is that the best thing to do is to start listening and to start
playing, don't ignore those articles that you're seeing and
seeing that it's everywhere. Go and see it and then go and
sit, down and chat gbt and try it. at work that I have like my
full-time gig that I have, its I love being able to show people
face-to-face, what this technology can do and just watch
the AA happen, then have them come up to me, like my boss
asked about, can you make me limerick about a leprechaun who
wants raisins? It is, carrot cake, and I was
like, that's what it takes to make you happy, man.
Yes, I will. I get a raise after that.
Yeah. And then like, I had rigged The
Vaping. Yeah, of course, my friends
quitting her job and she's write a resignation letter Indiana's
like a zoo were on it already. Boom.
Boom, let me email that to you like it's so much fun to see
people's own curiosity and expertise emerge when they use
it themselves and just to see bike.
How Just imagine how much more creative and beautiful things
are going to be. Because we have the ability that
someone who I don't consider myself artistic, can go and make
something beautiful. I think that's, I think that's
amazing. And I love it that you say, you
have to go, you have to play with it.
I feel like people be before they write it off.
That's the thing you need to do is just go play with it and ask
it. Like you're you're seriously
like just typing in a question or two.
We need to do something. It's what we do every day owner
and if the computer you're telling it to do things that you
needed to do, so it's mimicking what we're already doing.
So it shouldn't be scary for people so I want to know what
are you like currently besides writing limericks and things and
resignation letters. What are you currently playing
with right now? In Ai and he like test cases
things that you want to share with the audience that you're
working on. I think we should all share like
how we're were using this tool in our lives.
For me, I'm I'm trying to build a tech company in the leanest
way possible and so when I had questions I'm like I'm pretty
good at generating content, what I'm bad at is formal writing and
formal things I need to do, right?
So what I can do is I want to thank that with all of your
education and your background. Did he really do?
It doesn't mean anything. That's the thing, that's the key
there is I It's not how to do it and put it out there, but the
think the path at the passions, are I feel like that about some
scholar like scholarly writing is like that a lot.
It's force a bit, not your choice on that.
I think that being able to have an expert being able to pay chat
gbt, I know you're not a lawyer, you can get around it, but hey,
I have an appointment, my lawyer next week, but I have a question
in the meantime. That's a really great way to get
around their caveat is that they give you So I have, what do I do
here? What does this mean?
And then it explains it to me. I'm working in the construction
industry. I have no idea how to build a
building or what people use for different terms when they're I
had. No, I'm looking at accounting
data. I've never worked at accounts
payable before. I've never done that.
I have Chachi PTO bananas, say hey what does this mean?
Or someone just said this in this context, what should I do?
As someone who is neurodivergent and I have a bipolar disorder
and I love, I can be overwhelming.
Yes, my enthusiasm is wonderful for a podcast at work.
I can be an overwhelming person. This lets me control that
insatiable curiosity. I think the more you recognize
that it's not a Google search where you put something in and
you get a final output that you are talking to someone.
It's a Chat, you refine the conversation.
You can't go up to a stranger and give them a command.
As they write me a press release for this.
They're going to turn around be like, what the fuck are you
talking about? No, you turn around to like,
hey, how's it going? This is me.
You introduce yourself, but you give context the more you treat
artificial intelligence as its own actor.
The better can't the better. You're going to get the outputs
are going to get sorry. There are score.
Well bleep that out. If I think they might like it
adds emphasis, I don't know. I've no actress and leaving that
out. I'm Gonna Keep it anymore.
I'm not gonna find a an anchor. I probably have to put the
explicitly, molar, whatever, or I will track it and got me down,
who knows? And I love merits of your idea.
I love your idea of using AI as a tutor, one of the things that
has happened to me and I know this must sound meta is, AI has
allowed me to get into AI. There are all these Concepts out
there that as I read and look at everything on social media and
learn and I follow Justin Feinberg.
If follow Rachel, would I learn a lot from them and every once
in a while up, Curious about something.
And in the past 10 years ago I would have written a noted a
notebook somewhere. Sometimes I'd look it up,
sometimes I wouldn't. Now what I do is I take my
device, I go immediately to poet is my go-to right now because
it's a very, it's a very easy way to have everything in one
spot and I'll ask it to teach me.
So I was reading the other day about a i in ground truth it was
just thrown out there that comes up.
And so I was able to go in and use Gbt through Poe and just a
skit, talk Chief me about this thing doesn't just doing web
search because I was able to through the prom, be able to
tailor it to myself. I was able to say, explain to me
like you would a ten-year-old and give me at least one analogy
that will allow me to grasp onto it, and doing that in the past,
they've been very difficult or impossible.
If I looked it up at all, I would have just ended up on
dictionary.com or Wikipedia, which I'm still Blown Away by
how in many ways inaccessible? Wikipedia is on the level of
language. I'm constantly going in there to
learn something Technical and on bombarded with technical
language, even though it's recompete.
Yeah, but even from there, I get lost and I don't know what to do
now. It's a, I'm able to learn about
Ai and so becomes a. So it allows me to get into
discipline actually learn what I'm talking about in a little
was going on. No.
I so I was sitting down with my brother and he is he's getting
real like next week actually sitting down for his PMP exam.
And so and we were like he was telling me about like way that
he's used it before and like he's just like trying to figure
out like how he can go and prepare for his exam.
He's also sharing with me that the way he likes to learn
because you like that. So you can tailor, I like to
learn by a now, they give me some analogies the way the he
likes to learn is hey, here's this real world application and
I have, how can I apply it? So it's like just like We're
just like on the cuff. Right?
And I was like, what if you were to go in a chat GPT and say,
hey, I am taking an exam and two weeks here are some specific and
you give them like the specific scenario that you're at work.
That's a real life example. And then you say using the PMP
guide, create questions for me, that helps me study, that will
help me understand this thing at work.
Easy peasy. As soon as you realize that it's
Not just like accessing information but it's asking it
to combine and synthesize information for you, it's really
beautiful. What you can do it.
I know how to say this, exactly. But I have been pulled into this
thing. That is data and language.
I have been steeping in data and language or It's it was in 2014
when I first decided that my methodology for my dissertation
was would be big data analysis. And I've been thinking about
ethics of it since then I've been thinking about what I would
do and I was at Justin thinking and thinking and it is was with
the Advent like the reason that Things fall off last year,
right? For a lot of different reasons
but the reason it's being picked up right now is because I was
able to see what other people were able to do with technology
and that's what I hope that people walk away from this whole
conversation is to go in and don't feel like you're being
behind. Don't feel like you're behind
because you're already. Behind right?
That's like trying to say I'm behind in biology.
Of course, I am in cellular biology since the 10th grade.
Why would I be on top of biology?
You're gonna be behind. The best thing that you can do
is just be utterly amazed about what other people are doing and
using that to inspire yourself. Like I did, we're not for me.
It wasn't. Oh, I can write this prompt
there with me. I can go start this company.
I know how to do it and know what I need to do.
And I am in power bi artificial intelligence to do it.
That's yeah, absolutely. And I want to talk about from
the ID perspective, the instructional designer
perspective, how much time this saves using Chad GPT or other AI
to write outlines or just get an idea of a storyboard because we
spend so much time conceptualizing based off the
content that the sneeze give us how this is all going to flow.
They'll give us a PowerPoint but that's not necessarily in The
Logical order or the order should be in for learning.
And so I use chat dtp a lot just to outline stuff and I know
people say that and it helps so much.
It just gives you like a sense of relief that you don't have to
go through this super critical process.
You can refocus your efforts on the creative side of
instructional design, and developing the interactive's and
things. But with the Learners to
behavioral changes and the assessments that are needed to
exhibit that. So from an instructional
designer perspective, this is something that I can't wait
until people. We start incorporating These
inter tools Microsoft is putting in the tools like they're
articulates and the Dobies of the world start putting these
into the tools to make it so much more manageable and I feel
like we're going to level up as humans with a I like we're
already doing it. We're going to just we're going
to think more critically on higher levels because of this.
So here is in my mind, a reality that will happen once the
hardware patches up or if once things are catching up and this
is what this is, what makes it so scary, right?
That people have peed like a eyes, it would come and replace
my job is because you have people like me thinking like
this. And here's what people need to
do is like you should be asking these questions.
You should be the ones, implementing these things in
your organization, because here's what's going to happen in
five years. Right?
A company is going to have Artificial intelligence
connected it to its entire knowledge base.
You're gonna have a new hire come in and say hey this is how
I like to learn. You even need an instructional
designer anymore say, I like, to learn this way.
Can you teach me about this process?
And now you have an interactive instructional designer that will
answer your questions. Personalized based on the
knowledge base from the company, based on how you like to learn.
If you like to learn via problems are you like to learn
via funny videos? But you can say, make me a funny
video starring Bruce Willis that Has me about this principle.
That's there. All the pieces are there and
that's what everybody's going to be think.
That's when 50 years from now. They're going to be looking back
and thinking like wow, Josh apt for.
What is that? Just like my kid is going to
look at like the Motorola 120 e, razor fall off your bike with
peanut phone that up. It was really fancy to that of
blue screen instead of a green screen.
Yeah. Anyway, it's just so much fun
stuff out there and I hope that people are not intimidated by
it, and they feel excited about it because you should be agreed.
Yeah. And I think that, and you
mentioned this before, and it there are just around 40 minutes
Arc. I do want to on your time, and I
know that you have to go, Holly have to go play with it, right?
If you're out there, you're higher ed or any field, really?
If you're concerned, if you're worried that is okay, those are
emotionally valid responses. Make sure you get in and you
really play with it. And I'll be totally honest, or
I'm emotionally, I have good days, I have bad days with a, i
Some days. I think, yes, this is going to
allow me to do X, Y, and Z faster better.
So on and so forth. And other days, I'm very
negative about it and I go back and forth and I've learned to be
emotionally, okay, with that, depending on my own State, what
I'm working with, I think that for a lot of Educators, we need
to do, we need to do our due diligence, which means playing
with it, playing with the software, really reflecting on
it and being okay with not feeling, totally, consistent
emotionally, Lee with the tag. I think that a lot of people are
there, and it's okay to be there too.
All right. And I, so I do want to honor
your time. Eric.
So, very last question, if someone listening to this
episode wants to talk to, you wants to have a conversation or
reach out to you for any reason, I should they put 100% LinkedIn
is where I live by. You could also check out the
project, its www, dot project, rhizome.com, and you can get a
whole bunch of stuff there too. Fantastic.
I love it. I'm so glad you came back to
this. I'm so glad you came back to
this. I am very grateful for the two
of you truly or not only having this conversation at being able
to promote and all that kind of stuff.
But I think like it is this community that we built on
LinkedIn over the past year or two years, whatever that I'm
just very grateful for. And I don't think that I could
have approached the problem that I am trying to approach if it
were not for the constant, iterative reactions and refining
of ideas with people, that would not give you.
So again, I'm just very grateful, thank you, both for
doing absolutely anytime. Okay, you're so welcome.
And thank you so much our for coming on the show.
Coming on the first joint podcast and good luck with
everything. And it's been a pleasure hear
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