1
00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,240
Hi, we're ispring, an 
international team of e-learning

2
00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,440
enthusiasts who help more than 
60,000 clients across the globe 

3
00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,160
succeed with better online 
learning. 

4
00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,079
Our two flagship solutions are 
ispring Suite and ispring Learn 

5
00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520
LMS. 
Ispring Suite is an intuitive, 

6
00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,040
all in one authoring tool for 
creating engaging e-learning 

7
00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,960
content, and ispringlearn is an 
innovative online training 

8
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,680
platform for onboarding, 
upskilling, and certifying your 

9
00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,400
teams. 
We also provide tons of free 

10
00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,200
resources for aspiring and 
experienced e-learning 

11
00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,560
professionals, conduct weekly 
webinars with top industry 

12
00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,240
experts, and organize annual 
e-learning conferences, 

13
00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,800
challenges, and championships. 
We'd be happy to get to know you

14
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,600
and pick a solution that fits 
your needs best. 

15
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,600
Go to www.icepringsolutions.com 
to learn more about us, download

16
00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,920
our resources, and connect. 
Hello everyone, and welcome to 

17
00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,560
another fantastic episode of Add
Up LMD. 

18
00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,360
My name is Holly Owens and I'm 
your host. 

19
00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,040
And today we're going to jump 
into another question, another 

20
00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,400
ask. 
But before we do do that, I want

21
00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,000
to be a little bit real with 
you. 

22
00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,840
I have been kind of off the grid
a little bit in the past few 

23
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,240
weeks. 
Unfortunately, on October 2nd, 

24
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,480
my grandfather passed away from 
lung cancer at the age of 85. 

25
00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,360
Yes, he lived a wonderful life. 
You know, we're very grateful to

26
00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,080
have him as long as we did, but 
it's still been very difficult 

27
00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,200
for me and my family. 
So that's been happening in the 

28
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,320
background. 
And something on a happier note,

29
00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,960
I got married to my partner Will
on October 13th. 

30
00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,040
So that's a bright spot in 
what's all going on in the 

31
00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,240
world. 
You know how life is. 

32
00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,480
It doesn't just wait and put 
things in linear fashion. 

33
00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,960
But I just wanted to say that I 
really appreciate all the 

34
00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,479
support of this fabulous 
community. 

35
00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,440
I sent out some emails and 
people responded with their 

36
00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,080
support and saying, you know, 
things like how sorry they were 

37
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,320
and Congrats and take your time 
getting back into things. 

38
00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,520
So before I jump into today's 
episode, I just want to let you 

39
00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,880
know that I am human and as much
as learning and development and 

40
00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,480
instructional design give me 
excited about things, I 

41
00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,200
experience life as well. 
But I'm happy to be back with 

42
00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,720
you today to talk about this 
next question. 

43
00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,640
So let's dive into it. 
I think this probably should 

44
00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,320
have been the first episode of 
Ask Holly. 

45
00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,840
Remember that first episode is 
how do I stand out? 

46
00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:50,360
Because that's a question I get 
asked a lot during my webinars, 

47
00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,400
during in LinkedIn DMS. 
But I think this question is 

48
00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,280
definitely another one in the 
top five of questions that I get

49
00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,200
asked. 
And just thinking about if you 

50
00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,520
are, for example, I love my 
transitioning teachers group. 

51
00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,760
And if you're sitting in a 
classroom right now and you're 

52
00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,880
like, you're just at your wit's 
end, you think you've outgrown 

53
00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,920
the role where you just want 
something different. 

54
00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:18,720
You want a better work life 
balance. 

55
00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,800
You want to be able to take your
experience and education and 

56
00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,440
apply it. 
And I think this is a question 

57
00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,960
that people often start with, 
especially coming out of the 

58
00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,120
classroom or any sort of 
profession and thinking about 

59
00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,960
like, you know, what's the path?
That's not the question, but 

60
00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,760
what do I do? 
So one of the things that I 

61
00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,720
often think about is that when 
you are transitioning out of a 

62
00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,680
role and into something else, a 
different career, a different 

63
00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,160
role, maybe it's linear, maybe 
it's not. 

64
00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,160
Maybe it's a promotion or you're
just thinking about a change in 

65
00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,080
your life. 
The question that you normally 

66
00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,160
ask yourself is where do I 
start? 

67
00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,600
Where do I start? 
It feels like you're climbing a 

68
00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,920
mountain. 
That's you. 

69
00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,000
Summoning is unattainable, like 
when you're transitioning. 

70
00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,360
I can say that for a fact, 
especially most recently 

71
00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,880
transaction transitioning out of
full time into freelancing. 

72
00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,440
So where do I start is the 
question that I want to address 

73
00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,080
today. 
One of the things that people 

74
00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,960
commonly do when they're 
transitioning out of roles and 

75
00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,840
looking for something and 
learning development is they're 

76
00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,080
like, I want to fix my resume. 
I want to apply for jobs right 

77
00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240
away. 
I want no, you need to take a 

78
00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,200
step back because you're coming 
out, especially transitioning 

79
00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,360
teachers, you're coming out of a
position. 

80
00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,920
You have some emotions about 
that. 

81
00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,240
You're starting something new. 
You may be in territory that 

82
00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,960
you've never been in before. 
You're trying to figure out your

83
00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:03,640
way through it. 
So before you even go anywhere, 

84
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,120
where do you start? 
You need to figure out, number 

85
00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,160
one, where you're going, where 
you want to be. 

86
00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,320
Where are you going now? 
You're not going to get in the 

87
00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,040
car and drive somewhere where 
you don't have the directions 

88
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,320
to, to a place you've never been
before. 

89
00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,440
I mean, you can get the maps out
and stuff, but just saying 

90
00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,840
you're not going to just go 
drive off and try to figure it 

91
00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:26,360
out from there. 
You're going to want to have a 

92
00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,600
plan. 
So one of the things that people

93
00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960
should ask themselves is where 
do you want to be? 

94
00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,800
And transitioning to a role in 
learning and development is 

95
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,880
something that you really have 
to think about because learning 

96
00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,920
and development, the sector is 
so huge. 

97
00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,000
It's huge. 
You have higher education, you 

98
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,080
have corporate, you have 
government, you have freelance, 

99
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,800
you have nonprofit, you have 
other different areas that 

100
00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,880
people get into that maybe 
learning and development 

101
00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,560
adjacent like edtech. 
So you have to figure out where 

102
00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,360
you want to be. 
So that comes with doing some 

103
00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:13,360
research about roles, about like
what do you like? 

104
00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,880
What do you like in a role? 
Do you want it to be remote? 

105
00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,800
Do you want it to be something? 
What's your salary expectations?

106
00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,600
Other things that you want to 
consider, like what like hours 

107
00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,000
you want to work. 
Maybe you want to go in the 

108
00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,960
freelance world because you want
to set your own hours. 

109
00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,240
Or maybe you want something 
that's more like 9 to 5 because 

110
00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,480
you like that sort of structure.
Or maybe you want something 

111
00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,280
hybrid. 
So it feels very foggy at the 

112
00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,040
beginning and there's a lot of 
questions. 

113
00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:45,120
The question where do I start is
a loaded question. 

114
00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,560
So you're telling yourself, I 
want to move into learning and 

115
00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,920
development. 
Learning and development itself 

116
00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,120
isn't just one job. 
It's an entire ecosystem. 

117
00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,680
Like I'm saying, you've got 
instructional designers building

118
00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,480
online courses, you've got 
facilitators leading live 

119
00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,760
trainings, you've got LXDS or 
learning experience designers 

120
00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,400
focused on behavioral change in 
the learning experience. 

121
00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,800
And there's even other types of 
roles like in operations, 

122
00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,760
enablement, talent development, 
coaching. 

123
00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,680
I've done marketing, you know, 
this is just my list. 

124
00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,400
This is a list of everything. 
Consulting, content strategy, 

125
00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,960
learning, analytics. 
So figuring out where you want 

126
00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,800
to be. 
Really, you have to dive a 

127
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,760
little bit deeper before you 
start filling out those 

128
00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,680
applications. 
So thinking about what kind of 

129
00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,600
work lights you up, What are you
passionate about? 

130
00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,320
Like I love doing this podcast. 
I love talking to you through 

131
00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,480
the screen. 
It's a little bit weird because 

132
00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,520
there's no audience, you know? 
Normally I have a guest, but I 

133
00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,840
love talking to people. 
I love sharing my experiences 

134
00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,360
and telling you what not to do 
and what I did in my path. 

135
00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,000
I love teaching others, so I 
still teach things like that. 

136
00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,680
You have to consider also too, 
do you want to create learning 

137
00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,120
experiences behind the scenes, 
like as an instructional 

138
00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,200
designer because you really are 
the stage hands that are setting

139
00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,160
up the props for the learning 
experience. 

140
00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,240
Or do you like being in front of
people? 

141
00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,280
Do you like facilitating 
conversations? 

142
00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,400
Do you like maybe being the 
instructor in the room who is 

143
00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,120
talking about the course? 
May you know you're the trainer,

144
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,960
you're doing the train the 
trainer stuff, maybe virtually. 

145
00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,480
Think about it like this. 
Are you more creative, 

146
00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,480
analytical, strategic, or you 
more people centered? 

147
00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,000
This becomes your map. 
Once you know the direction 

148
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,000
you're going, the next steps for
you actually start to make 

149
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,920
sense. 
Like all too often I get people 

150
00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,160
asking me questions like I'm 
applying to 200 rolls or I've 

151
00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,520
applied to every single thing 
that's popped up on LinkedIn or 

152
00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,800
everything single thing that's 
popped up on Indeed and I 

153
00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,440
haven't got one interview. 
I tell people that's because you

154
00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:19,560
can have 800 lottery tickets and
you can have 500 lottery tickets

155
00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,960
or 50 lottery tickets and you 
still have the same chances of 

156
00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,880
winning. 
So putting multiple applications

157
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:36,080
in and praying and hoping that 
that gets you the role is 

158
00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,360
probably not a good strategy. 
So you need to know your 

159
00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,360
direction. 
So here's a little story. 

160
00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,200
When I was first thinking about 
transitioning out teaching, I 

161
00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,160
had no instructional design. 
It was there, but it really it 

162
00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,360
wasn't like a part of the 
mainstream. 

163
00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,480
Like we talked about it Lao talk
about everything now I just knew

164
00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,280
that I love like creating 
lessons. 

165
00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,960
I love dead tech. 
I love teaching others. 

166
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,840
I love like the feeling that you
get when you're in a classroom 

167
00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,880
or the feeling that you get when
you're in a learning experience.

168
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,480
You're like, that makes sense 
and you connect it to it to 

169
00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:20,480
something relevant in your life.
So really I knew I figured out 

170
00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,720
over the years what I wanted to 
do just based off of of that 

171
00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,440
experience. 
So what you're already doing is 

172
00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,160
probably connected to learning, 
especially if you're in the 

173
00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,480
classroom. 
So that's where you're path 

174
00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,400
begins. 
So where do you start? 

175
00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,680
Where do I start? 
You have to find out where where

176
00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:44,480
are you going? 
What direction are you taking? 

177
00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,600
OK, you can't just like just 
just go out there. 

178
00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,360
And I know, I know, I know, I 
know, I know people just want to

179
00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,920
start applying. 
I know people want to update 

180
00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,920
their resume and you want to get
job, you want to do it really 

181
00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,080
fast and you want to, well, 
nothing as fast is happening 

182
00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,960
right now in this job market. 
It's very competitive. 

183
00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,560
You know, people talk about, we 
talked about the saturation with

184
00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:08,360
Chelsea and it's not saturation 
so much as it that there's a lot

185
00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,880
of people who are qualified for 
the roles that they're applying 

186
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,480
for. 
So really it's important for you

187
00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,800
to know what direction you're 
going in. 

188
00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,000
All right, so now think about 
that. 

189
00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,600
Where's your direction once you 
know that? 

190
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,200
Once you got your direction, 
let's talk about action steps. 

191
00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,560
What are the the next things 
that you want to do? 

192
00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:33,320
You have your clarity, but if 
you don't move on it, you're 

193
00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,800
just going to be 
procrastinating. 

194
00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,840
And so let's let's talk about 
what you do next after you know 

195
00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,840
that direction. 
OK, so first action, I want you 

196
00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,280
to audit #1 audit your 
experience. 

197
00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,840
Grab a notebook. 
That's what I do. 

198
00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,120
I have a notebook sitting right 
here in front of me. 

199
00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,840
List every single time, like 
you've helped somebody learn or 

200
00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,320
you've done some sort of 
training, you've done mentoring,

201
00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,960
you've built PowerPoints, you've
built learning experiences, 

202
00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,840
you've hosted team meetings. 
Like all of this counts. 

203
00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,200
My microphone just keeps sliding
down. 

204
00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,320
All of this stuff counts. 
People think that they don't 

205
00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,120
need to count these things, but 
they do. 

206
00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,120
So these are your learning and 
development receipts. 

207
00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,120
So for example, when I was a 
teacher, I was training at the 

208
00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,920
Board of Education for teachers 
on how to use a certain Ed tech 

209
00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,520
that no longer exists. 
Well, student response systems 

210
00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,240
exist, but it's not that the 
classroom tech itself doesn't 

211
00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,600
exist the company. 
So that counts. 

212
00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,160
The next thing I want you to do 
so #1 audit your experience. 

213
00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,880
Go through and like think of all
the things that you did because 

214
00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200
eventually these experiences are
going to turn into how you 

215
00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,840
answer interview questions. 
These may may be things when 

216
00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,600
people ask you in an interview 
Like, well, tell me about a time

217
00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:02,240
when these will come become your
experiences then #2 I want you 

218
00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,240
to study. 
I want you to study the job 

219
00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,320
market. 
I've been posting jobs on 

220
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,000
LinkedIn for about, I think I'm 
going to three years now. 

221
00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,360
And I have seen the way that 
jobs are posted and the 

222
00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,160
different things that people 
expect and the responsibilities.

223
00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,400
And is it from remote, is it 
hybrid, the salary, all that 

224
00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000
stuff like what text do you need
to know? 

225
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,960
What theories you need to know? 
What types of modeling do you 

226
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,880
need to know? 
So just thinking about those 

227
00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,960
things, if you go to LinkedIn or
if you go to Indeed or whatever 

228
00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,880
your favorite, go to skip 
Chelsea's site and look up 

229
00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,080
learning and development roles 
and just start reading the job 

230
00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,800
descriptions and or take a few 
links, put them in the ChatGPT 

231
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,080
and say, give me a synopsis, 
Give me a summary of these job 

232
00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,920
descriptions. 
You're definitely going to start

233
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,800
notice season patterns. 
So you're going to see things 

234
00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,400
like Addy needle and analysis 
storyline, Ice spring, Canba, 

235
00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,840
Blooms taxonomy, Kirkpatrick 
stakeholder communication, ROI, 

236
00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,240
like a lot of different 
vocabulary things like what are 

237
00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,520
the expectations in the job 
market. 

238
00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,760
This is also going to help you 
find clarity in your direction 

239
00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,840
because you may not want to work
in higher education or you may 

240
00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,880
want to work in higher education
because that might be a comfort 

241
00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,200
area. 
So just thinking about, you 

242
00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,520
know, do I want to be in 
corporate where it moves really 

243
00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,960
fast, or don't want to be more 
in education where it takes a 

244
00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,320
little bit longer for trends and
things to take place. 

245
00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,440
And we all know there's a lot of
red tape in education. 

246
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,280
So thinking about all the 
different things that you're 

247
00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,280
seeing out there and then taking
that, and this goes into #3 I 

248
00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:47,320
want you to learn intentionally.
Don't go taking all the 

249
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,640
certifications. 
Don't go doing 10 million 

250
00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:56,480
LinkedIn learning courses or 
Udemy or Coursera going and 

251
00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,600
getting a degree thinking that 
that degree is going to land you

252
00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,360
the role. 
It's a supporting actor and 

253
00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,480
landing the role. 
So don't go chasing all those 

254
00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,440
things. 
I know we want to check stuff 

255
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,920
off the list. 
As humans, we're extrinsically 

256
00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,000
motivated. 
We, we definitely want to check 

257
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,920
stuff off the list. 
We want to say that we have 

258
00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,680
this, we did this. 
Well, I'll tell you both of my 

259
00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,840
master's degrees, I have one in 
instructional technology and one

260
00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,480
in distance learning. 
So if I really combine them, 

261
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,160
that we need one instructional 
design, but they're not an 

262
00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,320
instructional design. 
Most of my instructional design 

263
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,760
experience is the experience of 
the roles. 

264
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,280
So thinking about it that way, I
know people or like, I got to go

265
00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,800
take this or I got to go do 
this. 

266
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,960
And I want to caution you and 
tell you that you need to 

267
00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,320
exhaust the free resources first
before you start paying for 

268
00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,040
stuff, before you start paying 
for academies, before you start 

269
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,520
paying for access to certain 
tools, before you start like 

270
00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,440
just jumping into all these 
different things. 

271
00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,440
Exhaust the free resources 
first. 

272
00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,280
So we've got your auditing, your
experience, you're studying the 

273
00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,680
job market, and now you're 
learning intentionally. 

274
00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,120
If you want to design like you 
want to be an LXD or you want to

275
00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,760
be an instructional designer and
you're thinking about the 

276
00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,960
technology and the technology 
definitely comes secondary to 

277
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,280
the what you bring to the table 
as far as you a person, like 

278
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,120
what are your unique learning 
experiences? 

279
00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,640
What have you done in the past 
so you can go learn articulate 

280
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040
or eyespring or different types 
of tools? 

281
00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:36,280
If you want to facilitate 
things, practice your 

282
00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,760
presentations, your coaching 
skills. 

283
00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,960
If you want to go Mike to 
strategy of OPS, learn about 

284
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,560
data, how things are measured, 
how that impacts business 

285
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,000
outcomes, how that you know what
what's important to people in 

286
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,280
the business world when it comes
to those things. 

287
00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,720
I'm sorry, my microphone is 
being fickle today. 

288
00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:04,160
All right, so we got, we've done
three out of your experience, 

289
00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,200
study the job market, learn 
intentionally. 

290
00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,359
And I'm looking through my notes
here so I don't forget anything 

291
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,800
I wrote down. 
Join the L&D community if you're

292
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,119
not out there. 
This community is so fantastic. 

293
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,400
We are community of former 
teachers. 

294
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000
We are community of helpers. 
We like to share information 

295
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,640
because you know what, We never 
stopped learning. 

296
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,240
At this point, I'm almost 20 
years in and I still don't know 

297
00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,880
everything. 
There's a misconception that you

298
00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,480
know everything at this point. 
I do not. 

299
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,560
And it's shifting with AI, so I 
definitely don't know 

300
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,480
everything. 
This community runs on 

301
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,960
connections. 
Join spaces go out to LinkedIn. 

302
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,560
If you don't have a LinkedIn 
profile, I'm going to tell you 

303
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,600
right now you're going to go 
through those job applications 

304
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,720
and you're going to see, they're
going to ask you for a link to 

305
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,480
your LinkedIn profile. 
That's that is absolutely 

306
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,720
necessary in today's job market.
Join spaces like I talked about,

307
00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,400
like the ispring Learning 
Exchange, you know, 

308
00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,920
instructional designers in 
higher education is something I 

309
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:01,360
run. 
If you're if you're thinking 

310
00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,640
about going to in higher 
education, other groups that are

311
00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,000
fantastic out there, the 
instructional design central 

312
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,760
IDCE learning industry, just go 
out there and join some 

313
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,600
communities. 
Again, do some research, find 

314
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,120
your favorite corner. 
Obviously, I love the add up L&D

315
00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,480
community, this community, the 
people listen to this podcast 

316
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,960
and I love sharing resources. 
So go out there, get connected, 

317
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,120
ask questions, show your work, 
get feedback, make genuine 

318
00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:34,840
connections because it's so 
important, especially this job 

319
00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,840
market. 
Like we think that since we're 

320
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,640
in a digital space, it doesn't 
matter who you know, it doesn't 

321
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,400
matter who you know, it doesn't 
matter who you connect with. 

322
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,560
It doesn't matter who is 
involved in your processor, 

323
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,680
who's supporting you, whether 
that's a mentor or something 

324
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,960
else. 
So join the L&D community if you

325
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,760
haven't already. 
All right, so let's go #1 audit 

326
00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:03,000
your experience #2 study the job
market #3 learn intentionally #4

327
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,200
join the L&D community and #5 
start building your portfolio. 

328
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,920
You notice I didn't say resume 
your portfolio, especially if 

329
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,960
you're hold on my puppy is he's 
eating something. 

330
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,120
OK, she stopped. 
So start building your mini 

331
00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,480
portfolio. 
If you're not, you know you're 

332
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,840
not getting paid yet. 
Just start gathering those 

333
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:29,520
artifacts, create something, get
used to the design process, show

334
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,400
something that you're working 
through that process. 

335
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,080
Portfolios are how you prove 
your capability. 

336
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,600
You're not just talking about 
it. 

337
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,600
I can tell you too, I'm blue in 
the face, all the different 

338
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,000
things that I've done in 
articulator, eye spraying or 

339
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,120
PowerPoint or online and canvas.
I can tell you all the things, 

340
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:51,640
but I have to prove it because 
you can't see it when I'm 

341
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,560
talking about it. 
So you definitely need to start 

342
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,800
thinking about what you want to 
put in your portfolio and start 

343
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,920
gathering those artifacts. 
And if things aren't created 

344
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,920
yet, that's OK. 
You can. 

345
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,400
You can create stuff and I'm not
going to. 

346
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,800
I'm not saying you have to go 
out there and design a whole 

347
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,120
e-learning experience, pick a 
module, A redesign a process, 

348
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,400
something like, you know, of in 
a past position that you're like

349
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,680
this needed to be fixed. 
So I would use this instead of 

350
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,120
this. 
Like, you know, one of the 

351
00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,800
things I did in Amazon is I set 
up a process for a ticketing 

352
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,960
system so that we had different 
like lanes, it was like 

353
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,240
waterfalls and stuff like that. 
You know, just working through 

354
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,200
like, what were those going to 
be named and what happens at 

355
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,080
each point of the process? 
So thinking about those things 

356
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,960
too, it's not just an artifact. 
It's like, oh, I created this or

357
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,280
oh, I did this. 
It's like what shows your best 

358
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,960
skills, your capabilities? 
All right, so going back, some 

359
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,200
quick wins for you to get 
moving. 

360
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,520
Number one is audit your 
experience. 

361
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,640
Number 2 is study the job market
#3 is learn intentionally for 

362
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,600
join this community if you 
haven't already. 

363
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,240
And then five, start thinking 
about your portfolio, building 

364
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:09,000
out your portfolio. 
OK, So a lot of information, 

365
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,400
where do you start? 
And we've, we've even got beyond

366
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,280
some of that. 
And I know probably at this 

367
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,720
point some of you might be 
thinking, OK, Holly, I hear you,

368
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,440
but I still have no idea where 
to begin. 

369
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200
I need something to help me 
organize all this. 

370
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,680
And this is where my teacher 
passion heart meets my LND like 

371
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,480
strategist brain. 
And I made you something. 

372
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840
And it does cost money. 
It's $5. 

373
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,320
It's the Unlock Your LND Career,
the ultimate resource guide. 

374
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,560
I have set for hours and sourced
and crowd sourced different 

375
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,200
learning and development 
resources and put them in 

376
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,880
different categories from people
you should follow to books you 

377
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,200
should read, academies that are 
paid for, things that are free, 

378
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,720
blogs. 
And the best part of is you pay 

379
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,280
$5 and I update it monthly. 
Even more than that if I find a 

380
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,840
great resource that I need to 
add to it. 

381
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,120
So you have access for life. 
So I got the best free and paid 

382
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:15,280
for resources, career paths and 
definitions, podcast books, like

383
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,160
I said, and communities where 
you know, people are hanging out

384
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,320
where you should be. 
Actually had somebody say 

385
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,520
recently when you buy this 
living document, you're not just

386
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,960
getting a list, you're getting a
compass for your L&D career. 

387
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,280
Somebody said that I was like, 
whoa. 

388
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:33,840
Because you know, when you 
really work and stuff, it's like

389
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,560
you don't know the impact. 
But when somebody says it has 

390
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,720
the impact that you intended to 
have, it's awesome. 

391
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,600
So I'm going to have everything 
in the show notes. 

392
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,960
If you want that resource and 
there's a few other ones out 

393
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,600
there, do some free ones on my 
gum Rd. 

394
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,560
So I'll share that link in the 
show notes. 

395
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,200
And I'm I'm not here selling you
something. 

396
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,840
I'm really genuinely putting 
hours into these things and 

397
00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,120
making sure the content and the 
resources are there to help you.

398
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:08,400
All right, let's talk about the 
mindset because I think that's 

399
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,080
something I talk about the 
mindset and how that has to 

400
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,800
shift. 
It's really difficult. 

401
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,280
I want people to know that 
you're not. 

402
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,920
People always think of it like 
you're starting over. 

403
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,440
I want you to think of it like 
this. 

404
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,960
You're building forward, you're 
moving forward. 

405
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,720
So whether you've been in 
teaching, managing, customer 

406
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,560
support, nursing, retail, all 
your skills like matter. 

407
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,960
I don't like it when I hear the 
teachers leave their teaching 

408
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,800
experience off the resume or a 
recruiter or a resume reviewer 

409
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,640
tells you to do that. 
I don't like that. 

410
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,040
I think that that's wrong. 
That's not what it should be. 

411
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,120
In these experiences, you've 
taught, you've coached, you've 

412
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,400
designed, you've communicated, 
you've solved all kinds of 

413
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,240
problems. 
Your next job is to translate 

414
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,680
that into L&D language. 
All right, let's let's give a 

415
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520
few examples. 
So if you're a trainer, for 

416
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,560
example, you didn't just train 
new hires, you developed and you

417
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,640
delivered an onboarding program 
that improved time to 

418
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,200
productivity or time to 
proficiency. 

419
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,440
The onboarding experience. 
You didn't just run meetings, 

420
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,760
you facilitated knowledge 
sharing sessions that increased 

421
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,840
team performance by X. 
Use some data in there. 

422
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,040
You see how the language shifts,
reframes the value there. 

423
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,840
This is really when people start
to see your capabilities and 

424
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,880
this is this helps you stand out
too. 

425
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,840
So those doors really do start 
to open. 

426
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,040
I have it. 
I'm sure all of you have it. 

427
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,200
I'm talking about imposter 
syndrome. 

428
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,520
And my friend, if you asked 
Betty, Betty Danowitz on that, 

429
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,600
asked if you asked Betty podcast
did a whole thing on imposter 

430
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,800
syndrome. 
So if you want to learn more 

431
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,960
about that, go check out her 
stuff and I'll include that in 

432
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,400
the show notes too. 
Don't let imposter syndrome stop

433
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,760
you. 
Every single personality, we all

434
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,760
started somewhere. 
Like My Portfolio is not very 

435
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,360
shiny. 
It really, you know, a lot of my

436
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,720
stuff is proprietary. 
So I really can't share with the

437
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,240
role. 
So nobody woke up one day and 

438
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,040
said I want to be a senior 
learning Stratus just when I 

439
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,320
grow up and they have everything
ready to go. 

440
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,080
Like they just know it before 
they even get to the role. 

441
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,360
That's not the case. 
What happens is they've learned,

442
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,440
they practice, and they're 
building the momentum. 

443
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,280
And this is exactly what I want 
you to do. 

444
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,280
So don't let that imposter 
syndrome stop you. 

445
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:42,840
Think about translating your 
experiences into the LND 

446
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,680
language and get, hey, how to 
help you. 

447
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,400
It can help you. 
I mean, it's not perfect, but it

448
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,640
can help you. 
All right, so let's wrap up with

449
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,520
things like what's next? 
What's what's going to happen to

450
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,000
you next? 
What's what's the road ahead 

451
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,680
look like? 
Here is what I definitely 100% 

452
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,240
recommend. 
Spend about 20 minutes a day 

453
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,320
doing like job stuff, doing like
research, doing like, you know, 

454
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,080
just being out there. 
Don't make it a full time job 

455
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,520
because you're going to get 
burnout. 

456
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,240
I promise. 
I've seen this happen through 

457
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,040
some of my coaching clients and 
I've seen this seen this happen 

458
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,720
more so recently because of the 
competitiveness of the job 

459
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:32,080
market. 
So just 20 minutes a day, maybe 

460
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,200
spend like an hour a week on 
revising your professional 

461
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,720
resources. 
And definitely go back to the 

462
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,920
last Ask Holly episode when I 
talked about what do you do to 

463
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,560
stand out? 
Because things I mentioned there

464
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,080
are definitely going to help you
stand out. 

465
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,840
And as you're revising 
portfolios or resumes and 

466
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,560
professional resources. 
So go back to that and once a 

467
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,320
month maybe try to connect with 
somebody. 

468
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,640
It'd be fun if they were. 
You can connect in person. 

469
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560
I've met a lot of people, a 
couple people in my area. 

470
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,720
Or you can connect online if 
they have the availability, 

471
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,920
availability to do like a 15 
minute chat. 

472
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,640
Some people don't have that 
availability. 

473
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,720
So try to connect. 
That's it, 20 minutes, one hour 

474
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,600
a week, every couple weeks. 
Try to connect with people, be 

475
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:22,280
out there on LinkedIn World. 
Do that for like say 90 days and

476
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,640
see how your confidence changes.
You really don't need to do 

477
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,000
everything. 
You just have to do some things.

478
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,520
We're all not doing everything 
if I'm doing one thing well. 

479
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,360
I think this was said recently 
on Pop Culture World of Kim 

480
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:45,440
Kardashian said it on the call 
your dad, call her whatever that

481
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,080
podcast is. 
If I'm doing something really 

482
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,680
well, there's something else 
that's not getting the 

483
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,760
attention. 
So you don't have to do 

484
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320
everything. 
It's OK. 

485
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,760
All right, here is what I want 
you to do for the next week. 

486
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,680
After you're done listening to 
this episode and going through 

487
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,960
the resources I share in the 
show notes, write down three 

488
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,440
things. 
The kind of work that lights you

489
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,080
up that you're passionate about.
The skills are the moments in 

490
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,000
your career that helped you 
learn something new. 

491
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,080
One next step you'll take in 
this next week whenever you're 

492
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,440
listening to this podcast. 
This could be later in the 

493
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,920
winter. 
This could be at the beginning 

494
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,200
of the year. 
This could be mid year. 

495
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,160
Not Sunday. 
Not when you're ready. 

496
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,480
Like what are you going to do 
this week? 

497
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,400
Because remember, you can't 
build a new path if you if you 

498
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,200
don't know where you're going, 
you have no idea where do I 

499
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,400
start? 
You got to know where you're 

500
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,200
going. 
I think it's important to 

501
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,880
reflect on who you are and where
you want to be as you're doing 

502
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,040
these different things. 
So just remember that you're 

503
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,520
worth it that you are more than 
just a resume. 

504
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,560
You're more than just these 
portfolio things or these 

505
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,600
resources that you're sharing. 
And I thank you for joining me 

506
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,280
for another episode of Ask 
Holly. 

507
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,160
If this episode gave you a 
spark, go grab the Unlock Your 

508
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,760
L&D career guide. 
It's going to be your road map. 

509
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Make sure you subscribe because 
we're going to definitely going 

510
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,440
to be doing more of these. 
You can submit questions. 

511
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,880
I'll have a link in the show 
notes to that because we want 

512
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,400
to, I want to make sure that you
feel prepared to step into this 

513
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,760
role. 
And I don't want you to make the

514
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920
same mistakes I did. 
OK? 

515
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,360
So thank you so much for 
joining, joining me for this 

516
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,680
episode. 
Where do I start? 

517
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,120
And I'm always here to support 
you. 

518
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,800
So connect with me on LinkedIn 
World and I'll see you next time

519
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,600
for another episode. 
Take care. 

520
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,160
That's a wrap for today's 
episode of the Ed Up Learning 

521
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400
and Development podcast. 
I hope you picked up some 

522
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,240
inspiration, strategies, and 
maybe even a spark of motivation

523
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,760
to take with you on your own 
journey. 

524
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,280
If you enjoyed this 
conversation, don't forget to 

525
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,360
subscribe to our show so you 
never miss an episode. 

526
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,080
And while you're there, go ahead
and give us a five star rating. 

527
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,960
It really helps more people in 
the L&D community find us and 

528
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,680
join the conversation. 
Until next time, remember my 

529
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,400
motto, Speak it, build it, land 
it. 

530
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,440
Thanks for listening and I'll 
catch you in the next episode. 

531
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Hi, we're Ice Spring, an 
international team of e-learning

532
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,160
enthusiasts who help more than 
60,000 clients across the globe 

533
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,320
succeed with better online 
learning. 

534
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Our two flagship solutions are 
Ice Spring Suite and Ice Spring 

535
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,960
Learn LMS. 
Ice Spring Suite is an intuitive

536
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,680
all in one authoring tool for 
creating engaging e-learning 

537
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,880
content, while Ice Spring Learn 
is an innovative online training

538
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,880
platform for onboarding, 
upskilling and certifying your 

539
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,040
teams. 
We'd be happy to get to know you

540
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,080
and pick a solution that fits 
your needs best. 

541
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,520
Go to www.ispringsolutions.com 
to learn more about us and 

542
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,120
connect.