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Hello, my name is Holly Owens 
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Enjoy the latest episode of Ed 
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Hello everyone, and welcome to a
special episode of Ed up. 

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Ed Tech. 
My name is Holly Owens and I'm 

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your host and today we are doing
an episode where we are 

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highlighting a fantastic human 
being, who is on the hunt for a 

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new role today on the show, I 
have with me Stephen Schaefer, 

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who is an educator? 
So Stephen. 

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Welcome to the show. 
Thank you so much for having me.

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Holly, I'm excited, you know, we
know each other for my community

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and I'm excited to talk to you 
and here and highlight. 

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All the wonderful things that 
you have been doing 

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professionally and hearing more 
about you and sharing that with 

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our vast audience. 
Looking forward to it, it'll be 

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fun. 
Yes, so let's get right into it.

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So tell me a little bit about 
yourself and how you journeying 

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into the education space. 
So I've been in education now 

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for about About 22 going on, 23 
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Yeah, 23 years ish. 
I actually got started actually 

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through. 
I was playing sports. 

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And my, the first job I had was 
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And they actually wanted to 
develop a program for some youth

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that were on the verge of either
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college. 
And so that sort of led me to 

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going down, the education rabbit
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Little bit as I learned more and
more about just different ways 

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that I can try and connect with 
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My mentor was a 30-year math 
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at the tennis spot he suggested 
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then that took me down to you 
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what we call Idol youth who are 
kids who have disengaged and are

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re-engaging with their High 
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been an administrator After 
where ran a school for kids, who

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had dropped out of school? 
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where I work with students who 
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High School experience in a 
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atmosphere. 
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You're you're doing a lot of 
impactful work. 

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Yeah. 
When it comes to re engaging the

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students and I just realized we 
have a, you know, I love sports,

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I used to coach as well and just
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or like you're a student 
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So the And part of that comes 
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Well, with sometimes, sometimes 
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forget that. 
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game for, you know, quite a bit 
and you've done some like I said

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some pretty impactful work and 
you have all the experience. 

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It sounds like you're wanting to
take a shift and get into more 

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of like ux research ux design. 
So what's been inspiring you 

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along the way? 
The kind of make that transition

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and yux. 
What's What's the attractiveness

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there? 
So my entry into ux was actually

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through a service design 
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We were in covid, there was a 
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in Philadelphia called think 
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thing around service design. 
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had, I knew a little bit about 
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experience design, but I was 
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that seems really interesting. 
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Workshop, We actually like try 
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It's just really like peaked and
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the different itch that 
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Right, you know, your I look at 
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pieces, right? 
Or as pieces of a puzzle. 

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Yeah. 
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And so like, I have to sort of 
figure out like, okay, what 

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piece do I need to kind of put 
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get, you know, whatever it is 
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and then what ux did for me, you
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design what they did for me was 
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look at this like larger 
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are the missing puzzle pieces 
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that? 
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analogy of a puzzle because 
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with lxd and definitely you X 
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So I do want to ask you a 
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Off-script about ux design. 
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workshop and what kind of 
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you were, you trying to solve 
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look at this, this industry, 
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Sure. 
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at this is in the very, very 
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So this was prior to like, all 
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for psych supermarkets and 
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So, you know, like when we first
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these like long lines and people
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local supermarket was actually 
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delivery service, right? 
Where you could go on their 

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website order some food and then
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the packages of food, you know, 
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for you and then you could then 
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to again, try and keep that in. 
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one another and so they were, 
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And so they kept, they wanted to
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should we do, what are the 
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So they opened up their, you 
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like okay, well here's some of 
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what can we how can we make this
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right. 
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cost-effective and how can we 
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so that the so That our 
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and we're still, you know, sort 
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our business up and running. 
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skills you have as a coach and 
as an educator transfer directly

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over into this type of research 
of this type of Industry. 

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Absolutely, absolutely, a lot of
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planning for any of my lessons, 
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teacher so as I planned for any 
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always thinking about the user 
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going to have in the room and 
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capacities that they have or the
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because I'm a math teacher, and 
a lot of my students are have a,

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have a big fear of math. 
I've had bad bad math 

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experiences. 
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I'm one of those students. 
Listen, I was wrong. 

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Like really just sort of 
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perspective and how can I, you 
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experience, a little less 
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fearful and a little bit more 
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those aspects and being able to 
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experience. 
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be, you don't want it to be. 
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you want to be comfortable, you 
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Kind of like where the product 
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disappears into the background. 
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part of you. 
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You know, definitely was 
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really my first time at that 
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They really broke it down for us
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need to be thinking about these 
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about, you know, this side of 
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the experience, from both the 
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those, how those two things get 
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And so it was really, really, 
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One, I was like, oh, this is a 
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skills that I've been working on
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I can now apply this in a 
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And so that was sort of where 
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Well, I'm so glad you had that 
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A lot of people, seek those 
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kinds of things exist, where you
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before you hop into it. 
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had you to a real life project. 
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That's that's really how. 
Patients should be but that's a 

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podcast episode for another day.
That's a whole. 

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That's right. 
So, you know, tell us a little 

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bit about yourself, what are 
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skills that you possessed and 
knowledge? 

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You know, what things are you 
looking to do you have any 

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current projects that you can 
share, you know, highlight all 

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the wonderful things about you. 
Stephen tell us what is so 

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great, like, which why should we
follow you? 

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Tell us all the banks. 
Well, so, you know, like I said,

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I've been at this. 
I've been at Education, for 

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20-plus years. 
I work with a very particular 

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population, but that population 
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like okay. 
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identified students that we 
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those are students that you see 
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they're coming to school every 
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necessarily engaging. 
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understanding and I can bring a 
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bring a lot of wisdom and 
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I'm also really creative like I 
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You know, this is gonna sound 
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right? 
I love problems in the sense 

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that they can, they can all be 
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your math teacher, right? 
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about it too, is that not? 
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the same way like a lot of the 
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students around, is this idea 
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formulas in there are certain 
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you can still get to the same 
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of like okay? 
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ways in which, you know, certain
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opportunities that are also out 
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And I think very creatively as 
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have a, I have a filmmaking 
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know, like, oh that's fancy. 
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it from like, oh, what about 
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What about this shutter? 
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And this one? 
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this message can be conveyed, 
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being spoken or nonverbals, or 
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So I'm bringing a lot of those 
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Absolutely. 
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beta, the app that you're 
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don't forget that. 
Let's highlight the app. 

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So in my current school, so I 
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organization called Big Picture 
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Delphia we are part of a larger 
network of schools, called Big 

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Picture learning. 
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that we have run up against sort
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idea of a thing called the 
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The learning plan is supposed to
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student sort of guide, their own
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And we've gone through, I've 
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seven years, we've probably gone
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iterations of this, just because
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paper at first and no, that's 
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So we're going to try it on 
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try an Excel spreadsheet or 
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sheet and now it's a word doc. 
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it's trial and error early when 
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and said, well, what is the 
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that the kids are always using? 
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and apps are obviously a huge 
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time management and that sense. 
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what's involved. 
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that you have this beta thing 
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students some that sort of like 
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saying it out loud. 
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you've gotten very far, you 
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It's really difficult. 
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spent so many hours and it's 
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I appreciate that. 

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I want to know right now if what

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is your dream job, if you could 
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you know, if what is your dream 
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transition out of Education, are
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the, the Areas really won't know
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LinkedIn and, you know, all 
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and things like that, where you 
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schools and trying to help in 
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For me again, I'm also a very 
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about This and, you know, here's
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information about this because 
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my dream role. 
I love it and that's so gonna 

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align with the creative mind 
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saying, I'm so glad that you 
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about all these things and 
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it out into the universe. 
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Because you've already, you 
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sense of being an educator 
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Now you're thinking, like, what 
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It's not the end of the road for
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So, what's my next step? 
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of Contra, Costa and Solano. 
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to the West Coast. 
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kind of layer to you know the 
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into the skills and really 
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to you know hopefully aligned 
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honest with you I just need an 
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Like all I really needed to just
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promise you I will, you know, 
make your So much stronger. 

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You know what I mean? 
I bring such a wealth of, you 

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know, talent and energy and 
creativity to, you know, to a 

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position that I just really need
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experience and talking to you 
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concise about where you want to 
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top of that is just calming, 
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urgency. 
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corporate spaces. 
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urgency. 
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definitely you honor the process
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the end user. 
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where I see a bright future for 
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So I want to know, is there 
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of the episode here? 
Is there anything that we missed

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what's next? 
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I know you're talking about, 
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Anything else that you'd like to
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The next major step for me, and 
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the app to the next level. 
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testing and in one school over 
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I feel like that's going to be 
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path towards, you know, the 
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whatever that looks like whether
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dive around this particular app 
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organization or a company or 
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again, add, you know, some 
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organization. 
So, that's really, really what? 

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I'm what I'm looking forward to 
moving forward. 

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I love it. 
I can't wait to see what you do 

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next and I can't thank you 
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professional. 
Community. 

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You hopped in when it was pilot 
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little messy at first. 
Listen, I'm glad listen. 

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So let me give a little 
Shameless plug here. 

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Okay, I'll go check her out on 
LinkedIn. 

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Everybody on LinkedIn, number 
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incredible professional Journey 
community that she is building 

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out. 
It is a wondrous, wonderful 

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thing to be a part of. 
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could never make the The live 
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there's one day, I'm going to 
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I could never do it just because
I had other things that I was 

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working on but like the the 
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and the just like connections 
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table are just incredible. 
I am like I'm so thankful just 

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to have been a part of that 
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wait-listed. 
Yeah and I miss them. 

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Not. 
Thank you enough. 

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It was, oh, you're welcome. 
I think you're right back 

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because you bring so much added 
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so much fun and inspiring to me 
people like you and other people

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in the community as you know, 
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finding something different, and
it's just nice to have that 

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support there. 
So thank you for the shout out. 

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I'm not blushing, I appreciate 
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and thank you for being an 
education, so long. 

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Oh my gosh. 
It's just, it's so inspiring to 

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hear your story. 
And I can't wait to see what you

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do next. 
Yeah, thank you. 

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Holly, I really appreciate the 
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So everything about Stephen is 
going to be in the show notes. 

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Go follow him and Linkedin to 
send him. 

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Ux job, send them what, you 
know, things in California, so 

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he can get back together with 
get the family and get the band 

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back together and everything. 
So Steven, thanks again. 

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Thank you. 
You've just experienced an 

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