1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:07,120 Hi everyone and welcome back to another episode of Add Up L&D. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Now listen, I'm not trying to copy Kylie Kelsey's Podcast 5, 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,560 but I'm bringing back one of my absolute favorite humans to 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,160 grace the show, Doctor Jarrett Carter. 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,640 Y'all might remember him from a past episode where somehow we 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,160 ended up talking about Beyoncé, which I love, and instructional 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,560 design in the same breath. I'll buckle up because this one 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,440 picks up right where we left off, with wisdom, laughter, and 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,880 a whole lot of honesty. Since we last chatted, Jarrett 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,360 finished his doctorate, navigated burnout like a boss, 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,760 stepped away from a high level leadership role, and launched 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,200 his own business. Yes, he's that kind of awesome. 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,600 In today's episode, we dive into everything from setting 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,720 boundaries and redefining success to building authentic 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,480 leadership identities. And of course, why networking 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,360 doesn't have to feel sleazy. It's a it's part therapy 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,640 session, part leadership master class, and a full on reminder. 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,480 A full on reminder that titles don't define us, our purpose 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,640 does. 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Go to www.icepringsolutions.com 37 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:26,680 to learn more about us, download our resources, and connect. 38 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,080 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another fantastic episode of Add 39 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Up L&D. I'm not going to lie, I'm not 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,520 copying Kylie Kelsey's podcast, but I'm so excited to welcome 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,120 back Jarrett Carter to the show today. 42 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,240 Jarrett, hey, welcome back. Thank you for having me. 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,200 I'm really, really excited to be here. 44 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,040 I'm excited because we were just talking. 45 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,800 You've been on a journey since we last spoke, so why don't you 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,880 tell us about what you've done, what you're doing, what the 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,000 future looks like. Just tell us all the things that 48 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,440 you've been doing since you were last on the show. 49 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,040 It feels like over a year ago. It was a while ago because, and 50 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,280 this is going to be the most hilarious marker of me to 51 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,800 remember how long we were discussing Beyoncé and right had 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 just come out. And this is full circle because 53 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,760 just a couple of weeks ago I was at the July 4th Cowboy Carter 54 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,440 show right outside of DC. So. 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Nice, I'm so glad we can use Beyoncé as a marker for when. 56 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,600 We left. Exactly, Exactly. 57 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,320 But yeah, a lot has changed. So in that time I finished my 58 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:40,320 doctorate and, you know, at that time, right, Major, just that 59 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,120 was done. And, you know, one of the things 60 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,160 that I had to be honest with myself when I finished was that 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,360 if we don't talk enough about this, I was excited for a point. 62 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,240 And then I just like slid into this through, right, like in 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,160 terms of my own mental health and everybody around me was so 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,040 excited, but I was just kind of going through it. 65 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,320 And what I realized was that I was burnt out. 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,600 And I made a promise to myself back when I was in my doctoral 67 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,640 program that, you know, with, with COVID and everything that 68 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,080 happened then, I kept putting money in savings, you know, to 69 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,160 be able to at some point be able to slow down, take a step back 70 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,600 from full time work and, you know, engage in some work that I 71 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,280 think, you know, are more like passion projects or things that 72 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,720 deeply, deeply aligned with what I wanted to do. 73 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,440 I put that on the back burner because I also after I spoke to 74 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,800 you, I was promoted into a new role, associate vice president 75 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,360 of integrative learning design. I think when we spoke before, I 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,520 had just just started. So we were doing a lot of cool 77 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,560 things and I wanted to be a part of it. 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,960 But we were coming up on two years since I have finished my 79 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,240 program. And I realized, hey, I didn't 80 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,680 quite keep this promise to myself. 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,280 And I think that a lot of the burnout symptoms were there and 82 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,720 it wasn't any one person's fault. 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,600 But I think that, you know, my whole career, I was, you know, 84 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,000 at the same time working full time. 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 I was generally taking classes for this, that or the other. 86 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,240 I was off the freelancing on the side. 87 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,120 I was also active in my different communities outside of 88 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,040 work. And during the pandemic when 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,360 everybody kind of had that slow down moment, you know, making 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,920 sourdough bread or what have you, I was taking qualifying 91 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,280 exams, which is actually the more stressful part of the 92 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:17,280 document, the dissertation defense. 93 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,360 When you get to that stage, if you've done everything right, 94 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,360 that should be a slam dunk. But the qualifying exams are 95 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,120 really mind numbing. So I was working 70 hours a week 96 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,600 plus doing qualifying exams. So I realized that I had to slow 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,760 down. And so I made a really crazy, I 98 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,560 think decision to step, to step away from my role at University 99 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,800 of Maryland Global Campus. And it was a difficult decision 100 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,760 because that has been the most mission aligned chapter of my 101 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,360 career. I'm glad that I was able to stay 102 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,560 on as graduate adjunct faculty in the learning design and 103 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,440 technology program. So I'm still connected in that 104 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,120 way. But I have been engaging in a 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,240 few different projects. The biggest one being I've 106 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,560 started my company, it's called Collaboratix. 107 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,880 It's going. I love that name by the way. 108 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,760 Thank you. Thank you. 109 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,680 Yeah, I wanted to something that was futuristic, but also in, you 110 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,080 know, still stress the collaborative nature of the work 111 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,440 that we do because I think that we are stronger together. 112 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,920 And I think that it's really important that anything that I 113 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,280 do, even if I'm doing a solo, that I'm still collaborating 114 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,800 with people or what have you and helping people to work Better 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,520 Together. So a lot going on right now. 116 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,120 So, you know, learning and development work we're going to 117 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,080 be doing, we're going to be doing leadership coaching, 118 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,280 whatever else comes because the life of an entrepreneur means 119 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,400 that, you know, I'm not going to immediately say no to a whole 120 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,160 lot. And you're pivoting very 121 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,440 quickly. When you're an entrepreneur, 122 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,480 you're like, does this just kind of fit? 123 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,840 And this might be good to have in My Portfolio to share with 124 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,160 other people. So I totally understand that. 125 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,480 Let's go back to the burnout piece because I think that's a 126 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,280 great way to start the episode as being so transparent about 127 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,600 everything that you, what society puts on us, the 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,440 pressure, especially in academia, what we need to do in 129 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,640 order to be seen as accomplished. 130 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,000 And I think a lot of that doesn't align with the human 131 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,960 experience or definitely does not align with the human 132 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,960 experience. And I had a similar situation to 133 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,320 you when I was at Amazon. I was, I was working full time. 134 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,960 I have my side hustles. I have this podcast, which is a 135 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,600 huge passion project of mine and, you know, taking care of my 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,040 family and, you know, dealing with trauma and grief and, and 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,560 all different kinds of things. And it just like my body just 138 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,320 literally, I'm like, I can't, I just can't do it anymore. 139 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,400 I can't tell my mind to keep going, so I think one of the 140 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,240 things I want to point out is how much it impacts your health 141 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,000 and how much it also makes you reflect on what's really 142 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,880 important in your life. Absolutely. 143 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,120 I think that oftentimes we're slow to catch a burnout too, 144 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,720 because it could be a lot of a good thing as well, right? 145 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,720 That, you know, I think sometimes we associate burnout 146 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,320 with, oh, I don't like what I'm doing, Therefore, you know, I'm 147 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,000 feeling these things. But sometimes we overextend 148 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,120 ourselves doing a lot of different things that we love. 149 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,080 And that was the case for me. And you know, what I've learned 150 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,760 is that for me, burnout is not something that I can acutely 151 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,920 detect when it happens, right? For me, it was a bit of a slow, 152 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,000 it was a bit of a slow decline, right? 153 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,920 You know, it was slow burn, right? 154 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,200 You know, I wasn't sleeping like I should be. 155 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,120 You know, I found that, you know, I was spending more money 156 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,480 and I realized I was spending the money on like junk food or 157 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,000 like, you know, food delivery because I was too tired to cook 158 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 or what have you. And it wasn't just a time thing, 159 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,200 but just even just like my brain's bandwidth to like even 160 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,800 think of things, right? Like I would have people 161 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,600 approach me about, oh, there's this cool contract opportunity 162 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,200 we want to do. Do you have time? 163 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,720 And, you know, it's something I really wanted to do, but you 164 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,600 can't do that while you're in school and you're working full 165 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,720 time or what have you. I think for me, one of the wake 166 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,440 up calls for me, frankly, to be fully transparent was also, you 167 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,400 know, I'm thankful that I have health insurance. 168 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,800 And so I go to the doctor, you know, often and was beginning to 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,800 see that some of my health key health metrics were not trending 170 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,480 in the right direction either, right. 171 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 And it wasn't again, something where my you know, my doctor was 172 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,160 asking me like, oh, are you know, are there negative things 173 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,680 happening? You know, what have you? 174 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:29,920 And I said, I love what I do. You know, I love what my 175 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,520 schedule is filled with, but I didn't have good boundaries up 176 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,360 right like we mask kept saying it yes to everything. 177 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Yeah, we mask some of those things because we don't want 178 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,600 people like in this like you're like a, you're an associate VP. 179 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,360 Like there's no possible way. You could be burnt out or you 180 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,600 could have issues. It was like you do everything, 181 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,840 you know, that kind of, that's how I think about it. 182 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,240 It is. And I and I think that in our 183 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,160 society, and you mentioned this earlier of you know, we base a 184 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,600 lot of our expectations for ourselves and our success around 185 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,440 what we do occupationally, right? 186 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,440 You know, often times when you meet people, especially here in 187 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,080 the DC area, one of the first questions you're asked is what 188 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,240 do you do for a living or go on a date? 189 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,120 Often times, right, Right. That comes up so often, so 190 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,800 funny, funny Side Story I have to tell you, Speaking of days 191 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,720 occupation, so DC is so unserious when it comes to this, 192 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,480 that when the student loan forgiveness programs were 193 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,760 happening during COVID, if you remember, there was an income 194 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,240 cap, right? You, if you made more than 195 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,320 $125,000, you know you didn't qualify, right? 196 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,440 One of the subtle questions people began asking our first 197 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,440 dates was trying to figure out if your loans were being 198 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,640 forgiven or not. Because if you said, Oh no, I 199 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,040 didn't qualify, that meant that you were making good money, 200 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,680 right? That is crazy. 201 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,720 I would never in my life think of to ask somebody that and the 202 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,240 fact that also to let's not get into the qualifications and like 203 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,520 if you're making $125,000 that without taxes, that is not how 204 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,680 much you're making. But yeah, that's, that's that's 205 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:14,040 crazy. That's crazy. 206 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,160 How did student loans become a part of dating culture? 207 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,400 It's it's crazy to me. And so, you know, a lot of our 208 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,400 identity, you know, is wrapped up in that. 209 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,080 And, you know, we never ask the questions. 210 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,400 We think about satisfaction in life is like, you know, but also 211 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,600 who am I in the way that I show up to my family, to my friends, 212 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,000 to my communities, to my neighbors, right? 213 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,200 Like those things are just as important. 214 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,640 And you know, of course, you know, the job pays the bills and 215 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,040 you know, this was a transition I have been plotting for a 216 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,000 couple of years now because obviously mission alignment is 217 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,800 not currency that I can use to pay my mortgage on the 1st. 218 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,520 But you know, it, it had me thinking about the different 219 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,040 ways in which we show up and where we derive satisfaction 220 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,120 from and, you know, all the different things that are on our 221 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,920 plates, how we measure our success and our productivity. 222 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,400 I mean, I think about how often when my friends and I would go 223 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,240 to brunch and we would say, how was your weekend or whatever? 224 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,040 And we're measuring our weekends and productivity like, oh, I got 225 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,320 through the To Do List. I did this, I cut the grass, I 226 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,560 did this. I was just telling you before 227 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,240 are. They millennials or elder 228 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,560 millennials? Because I feel like our our self 229 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:26,040 worth is tied to productivity. I I think millennials, well 230 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,200 millennials, we have been like uniquely positioned for all of 231 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,480 like the world falling apart. Like we are traumatized. 232 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,400 We are traumatized. I don't know why my parents 233 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,760 chose my birthday or I feel like that was Oh my goodness. 234 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,400 They didn't know, they didn't know. 235 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,920 But yeah, you know, it's so interesting that you said that 236 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,480 because I work a lot on the weekends with the podcast and 237 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,760 stuff. And like if I, if I have like 3 238 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,720 or 4 things in my head, if I don't get it done, I feel like 239 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,720 I'm behind. But I just have to do that for 240 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,400 my my own self. But very, very true. 241 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,520 Like we are, we tie a lot of our self worth to our productivity 242 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,760 and a lot of our identity to our roles. 243 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,240 Yeah, like it's who we are. I mean, part of my brand is like 244 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,320 my whole brand is L&B and jobs and stuff, but that's not all of 245 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,000 who I am. And I'm. 246 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,320 Sure, I say. The same thing. 247 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,080 It is and that was and that was part of the reason why I thought 248 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,040 about this trend. You know, this transition is 249 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,600 that one thing growing up that my mom always taught me in my 250 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,200 siblings is that, you know, the whole question of what do you 251 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,520 want to be when you grow up in and of itself is a bit 252 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,240 problematic because it presumes one thing, right? 253 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,480 It presumes that you're taking one full time job that will 254 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,880 typecast you, you know, into like your career identity, 255 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 right? And people see you singularly 256 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,280 through that lens. And part of this transition has 257 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,440 been wanting to explore a multitude of different things at 258 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,240 the same time while still honoring my boundaries and my 259 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,320 time and things like that. So, you know, what I'm excited 260 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,320 about in particular is like being able to do to still do 261 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,720 things around learning and development, being able to still 262 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,560 teach, being able to explore leadership coaching, which is 263 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,040 not something that I've even had the time, you know, to put a lot 264 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,240 of time into, even though I got the certification a couple of 265 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,680 years ago. So, you know, being able to do 266 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,280 all those different things and like be a little a little bit 267 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,760 more intentional with how I even cultivate my own professional 268 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,920 identity. It's something that I'm really 269 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,800 excited about versus knowing me as just, oh, that's Jerry. 270 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,680 He's, you know, an associate VP at this university or he's an 271 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,480 adjunct faculty. Here I am now many of those 272 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 things while still trying to balance them off. 273 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,400 Yeah, you know what though? I mean, like, if you think about 274 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,320 it like these roles that you've had, including that that most 275 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,560 recent role to have prepared you for what you're doing now. 276 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,840 So tell us about your new business, what what you're 277 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,480 focusing on, what you're doing so that people listening be 278 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,720 like, oh, I need to call Jarrett and get his help with with this, 279 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,520 this and this. So tell us all about that. 280 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,040 I'm sure we could talk about burnout for days just so you. 281 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,920 Know y'all? Y'all got an insider look into 282 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,640 the personal life of me and Jared Carter? 283 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Because we are. We are being honest. 284 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,240 We burnout quickly when it comes to all the things that we do, 285 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,760 but let's tell us about your business. 286 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,520 Absolutely. So you know, as I mentioned 287 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,200 before, collaboratics is going to hold a few different things. 288 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,480 The first part that we're launching with is True Rise 289 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,560 Leadership Solutions and True Rise is looking at, you know, 290 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560 how do we, to your point of authenticity, how do we show up 291 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,160 as leaders authentically in the work that we do. 292 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,040 I spent earlier this summer doing a lot of research on what 293 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,720 are some of the challenges, for instance, that for, you know, 294 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,480 newly incoming leaders face when they come into the role, their 295 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,200 roles, right? And of course, with L&D 296 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,400 professionals, we can guess some of those things, right? 297 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,760 The procedural things of, you know, onboarding and, you know, 298 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,280 those logistical items. But there's this inner core part 299 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,600 that I think that we don't talk enough about, right? 300 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Which is like, how do I cultivate my own leadership 301 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,560 identity? And you know, thinking back to 302 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,120 when I had my first supervisory role, they were different 303 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,720 leaders I was enamored with, but it almost fueled my own imposter 304 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,560 syndrome because I felt like I had to emulate them. 305 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Right. I had to, absolutely. 306 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,400 Mimic them, right? And so I come into this role 307 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,960 thinking, well, I'm not this person. 308 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,160 I'm not that person. How do I show up? 309 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,000 And you know, coaching for me, getting a coach is one of the 310 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,400 best things that my supervisor at the time did for me because 311 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,680 it helped me to understand, yes, these are the research based 312 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,080 frameworks for leadership development about how do you 313 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,560 engender a positive team culture, How do you bring up the 314 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,200 best in people, but also how do you do that in a way that is 315 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,280 uniquely you, right? And often times we separate who 316 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,960 we are outside of work and who we are at work, forgetting that 317 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,360 we can leverage both in the ways in which we show up, right? 318 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,960 There are certain ways where, you know, one of the limitations 319 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,760 of mentorship. And I, I have a team of mentors 320 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,600 I love. My mentors would not be where I 321 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,280 am without them. But what I go to them for is a 322 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,680 little bit different than what I go to a coach for, right? 323 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,400 Because for mentors, I want to hear about how they did what 324 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,880 they did and sort of widen my toolkit that way. 325 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,160 But when I was working with my coach, it was OK. 326 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,200 These are the frameworks. These are the success stories. 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,040 But how do we pull the unique things about Jared to be able to 328 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,079 show up in that work? And so one of the examples that 329 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,240 come to mind is when I first inherited this supervisory role, 330 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,240 my very first supervisory role, I had inherited this high 331 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,160 profile project that was already way over budget, already behind 332 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,400 and had. Like bottom of the ninth, two 333 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,120 outs and you're up to bat. Exactly. 334 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:47,400 And then on top of that, I was, I had some stakeholders that 335 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,960 let's just say didn't have, there were not positive politics 336 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,680 that I inherited, right, in terms of the relationships that 337 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,480 I had. So I had to quickly figure it 338 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,600 out. And at first I was trying to 339 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,440 again, mimic what I saw. And it wasn't to my coach said, 340 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,320 you know, talk to me about, you know, when you're planning your 341 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,160 family's Christmas Eve party and people have differing ideas of 342 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,320 what to do, like, how do you show up then? 343 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,240 And what we kind of worked on was then of action plan of like 344 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,840 how I was going to build relationships through trust and 345 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,840 authenticity, right? You know, there are certain 346 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,280 things I broke the rules on. You know, I am somebody that if 347 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,040 I'm on a project or I'm leading a project, and if you are 348 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,200 somebody that I report to, I'm going to give you the good, the 349 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,200 bad and the ugly. But I am going to tell you how 350 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,160 we're addressing the bad and the ugly, right? 351 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,320 But I don't want you to hear about it from somebody else. 352 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,120 I'd rather you hear it from me. And exactly. 353 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:43,080 And sure enough of the assistant Dean at the time, like 2 months 354 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,640 into the meeting, she said, you know, I want you to know that I 355 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,080 really appreciate the fact that a lot of people come to my 356 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,320 office and are trying to play politics and sugarcoat 357 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,680 everything. She said I appreciate that I 358 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,560 always know where things stand when you leave the office. 359 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,760 And so she said, you know, there's a certain trust that she 360 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,280 had in me that, you know, she trusted my judgement on certain 361 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,800 things where things were happening quickly. 362 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,680 We need to make quick decisions. She was on vacation and she 363 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,760 said, you know what, let Jarrett make the call. 364 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,080 And so those are things where if I was trying to mimic what I saw 365 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,000 other people do, I wouldn't have realized that. 366 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,720 So when? I got. 367 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,200 That coaching, Exactly. That level of trust. 368 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,640 Exactly. So the goal here is how do we 369 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,920 find out the the intrinsic characteristics of you as a 370 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,240 person, how they show up as a leader and then the individual 371 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,920 ways in which you lead, of course, bringing in, you know, 372 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,280 evidence based leadership principles. 373 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,280 But I think that when you bring those two together, that's how 374 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,640 we show up the best as leaders. I love that and I love the thing 375 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,400 you said. Like I definitely from a 376 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,840 leadership perspective, I, I know the good ones that I had 377 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,720 and I know the, I know the really bad ones, the toxic ones 378 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,640 that I had. And I know like, just from, you 379 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,960 know, growing up and like getting to this point to a 380 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,200 director level, like I, I never like you. 381 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,280 It wasn't on my bingo card. It wasn't on my bingo card last 382 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,560 year to be the director at Ed tech company of marketing. 383 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,760 But I've learned so much in the role with managing my team and. 384 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,840 Taking myself out of the trenches and trying to do that. 385 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,360 Sometimes it doesn't happen, but just seeing people for who they 386 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,920 are and meeting them where they're at and taking all that 387 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,560 I've learned from my other leaders, like what are the 388 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,560 things that they did well? And I really like that. 389 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,080 That may align with my mission and may align with my values or 390 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,160 the things they didn't do well. We're going to make sure that 391 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,840 there's preventative measures in place that those things don't 392 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,440 happen. And I just want to, I think I 393 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,480 want to ask a question to you because this is something that 394 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,040 comes up quite a bit. Our team is fully remote and 395 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,720 your team fully remote, I'm assuming. 396 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,520 So that creates more of a challenge in possibly developing 397 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,280 some of these relationships. The trust, I'm not going to 398 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,000 assume and say completely just, you know, it doesn't happen 399 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,920 because it does. I mean, we've never met a 400 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,920 person. You and I are like, you know, we 401 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,000 can, we know we can text each other and we'll be there for 402 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,720 support is what I'm saying. So how do you kind of deal with 403 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,600 that as a leader when it's your remote and you have people 404 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,080 everywhere all over the world or, you know, all over the 405 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,040 country? How do you get people to like 406 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,440 connect? I'm really glad you asked that 407 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,120 question because I think that even with the growing hybrid 408 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,080 work environments, that's becoming even more of a 409 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,560 challenge, right? Because, you know, in my last 410 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,240 role, I had a lot of fantastic team members. 411 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Some of them were in the building two or three days a 412 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,520 week. Some of them had never seen the 413 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,760 building before. And so you even have that. 414 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,320 There's a building. Right, right. 415 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,040 And so you have that disparity of people that I might see in 416 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,440 the hallway and converse with, how do I make sure that the 417 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,040 people who are fully remote that we have a similar rapport with. 418 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,800 And I have, I can't say that I have totally figured it out, but 419 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,480 what I have found that works is that there is no single solution 420 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,960 for every team because I think much in the ways that our 421 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,120 buildings were not designed uniformly across, you know, 422 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,320 different companies, right? Different buildings were 423 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,760 designed differently for the culture. 424 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,240 I think that our online infrastructure needs to be 425 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,040 responsive to, you know, our teams there, right? 426 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,920 So it can be things like I'm very intentional when I was 427 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,600 doing my one-on-one, particularly with my remote team 428 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,680 to not just, oh, let's just get straight to business, you know, 429 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,120 to the extent that they wanted to share about, you know what. 430 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,880 There's something I do. I got to stop doing that. 431 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,400 Well, it requires intentionality, right? 432 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,040 Yeah, it does. And that's also authenticity as 433 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,160 well, because you I am generally interested in what other people 434 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,840 are doing. I know you are because I like I 435 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720 said, we've never met in person and we know so much about each 436 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,680 other's lives that probably more than some people that I see face 437 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,680 to face, you know, more often. And you know, but what I found 438 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,240 is that, you know, even building in that time to say like, how 439 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,000 was your weekend? And you know, and not putting 440 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,080 them on the spot to make them share more than they wanted to 441 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,560 share, of course. But, you know, if they want to 442 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,800 talk about, you know, attract me that one of their kids had or 443 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,600 whatever, you know, being, you know, learning about that and, 444 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,680 you know, learning the names as they're telling me stories that, 445 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,040 you know, it became less generic about, oh, how's your daughters 446 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,560 track me doing? And, you know, being a little 447 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,280 bit more specific to say, Hey, how's how did Kaylee track meet 448 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,080 go? And then also my for myself as 449 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000 well, right, You know, being a little bit more of instead of 450 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,920 just saying, yeah, I had a good weekend, you know, saying, oh, I 451 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840 had a good weekend. I was at the Cowboy Carter 452 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,240 concert or I would. You know, I did this or I did. 453 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,240 Always going to work Beyoncé into our episode. 454 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,760 Just always, anytime. Every single time. 455 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,400 When the Act Three album comes out, I'll be back and I will 456 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,480 work in some sort of rock music influence or what have you. 457 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,360 But yeah, like helping people to see, you know who I am. 458 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,200 So it was to the point that, you know, there was 1 remote team 459 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,800 member I had where we actually intentionally extended our one 460 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,200 on ones to be a little bit longer because I had to 461 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,920 recognize that, you know, as much as I say I'm just a team's 462 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,520 chat away, you know, we were in the building and you see my 463 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,440 doors open. You're more likely to walk in 464 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,800 and ask me a question than you are if you see that my team's 465 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,720 icon is showing green and it's just like, well, is he actually 466 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,680 free? You know, is he doing this or is 467 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,720 he doing that? So I think that in the same 468 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,120 holds true for the team, team wide as well, right? 469 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,280 There are some teams that I've LED where early in the pandemic 470 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,800 where we would do virtual happy hours or we would do game nights 471 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,400 or what have you. And then I shifted and began 472 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,520 managing another team. And a lot of them that was 473 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,360 harder to do because that's when their kids were getting off of 474 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,240 school and they needed to go get their kids from the school. 475 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,760 But so we would do maybe lunchtime socials or early 476 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,040 morning socials. So it, I think that again, I 477 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,200 think it's one of those things where you kind of have to learn 478 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,800 your team and see like what they respond well to and then kind of 479 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,600 like that positive reinforcement, just keep doing 480 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,040 more of that. But it's something that I think 481 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,520 we have to be really intentional about. 482 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840 And I think hybrid is going to add to that delicacy of that 483 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960 balance even more because now you have people that you're 484 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,520 seeing in the building and that you don't. 485 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,080 Yeah, that's it. It definitely is a huge 486 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,240 challenge, but you can definitely feel the connection 487 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840 through the screen. Like people are like you can't 488 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,600 feel that. I totally feel it. 489 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,120 Like some of my very best friends that I collaborate with 490 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,520 daily, weekly come from LinkedIn world. 491 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680 I mean, in the maybe we should, I should have you talk since you 492 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,040 went from like you got your supervisor role, you were an 493 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,480 associate VP, now you're starting your own business. 494 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,040 Talk to us about how important it is to network and how that 495 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,200 helps you get to the this point in your life where you're like, 496 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560 you feel good enough about yourself and you have the 497 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,120 confidence and then you push the imposter system aside. 498 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,400 How does how do you get there? How do you do that? 499 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,280 It is so funny you said that because I'm actually, so by the 500 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,520 time this records, everything will be fully online. 501 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,440 But I'm refining a couple of content pieces that I'm going to 502 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,160 be posting. And one of them is you have to 503 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,760 give people the opportunity to help you, right? 504 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,880 And I think that it's so easy for us sometimes to feel like, 505 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,280 oh, I'm doing this thing. I'm waiting for somebody to come 506 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,200 save you or come help me. But if we don't invite people in 507 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,880 and tell them what we're doing, they're never going to have the 508 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,080 opportunity to help. And networking has been my 509 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320 Achilles heel for the longest time because again, it was 510 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,600 something where, you know, I was taking my cues from salespeople, 511 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,280 right? And so, you know, and my 512 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,240 authenticity self, I like, I struggle with reaching out and 513 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520 pretending that I was really just thinking about you. 514 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,440 And the truth is I'm trying to make a deal, right? 515 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,280 And so it was something that I struggled with until again, kind 516 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320 of the same coaching frameworks took some time to step back and 517 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,840 reflect on okay, outside of work, if I need something, if I 518 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,760 need to network, how do I manage my relationships right? 519 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,280 And you know, one of those things is, for instance, like my 520 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960 friends know that, you know, I'm not always quick to text back 521 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,640 because I just can't. But I. 522 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,880 Know, like, I mean, I know you're mine is it's like sitting 523 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720 right here and like people, I'm like when I'm right, it's not 524 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480 going off. When I'm in a podcast recording, 525 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,120 my sister's calling me telling me that she's excited to see me 526 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,640 because she's on the way down to the southeast. 527 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,720 And I'm like, you had to call me for that. 528 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,640 Right, so. Like those distractions, like 529 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,560 that's a conversation for another day. 530 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,040 But yeah, networking. That's a whole, yeah, that's a 531 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,760 whole conversation in and of itself. 532 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,040 But I was thinking about then like, So what with my friends, 533 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320 how do I network, right? You know, take away the business 534 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680 side of it and I'm the friend, though, that will send you a 535 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,320 random text at like 2:00 in the afternoon and say, hey, I was 536 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800 just thinking about you. Hope all is well and there's no 537 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,240 I. Love those texts from you by the 538 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080 way. Thank you. 539 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840 But it honors my authenticity of in that moment, I really didn't 540 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,400 want anything. But as Brené Brown would say, 541 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,520 you know, you're you're putting gems in the jar, right? 542 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,160 Or you putting those pebbles in the jar, right? 543 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,200 So that when I do reach out and I'm a little bit more upfront 544 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,280 about like, hey, how are you doing? 545 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,320 I just started a business and I was wondering if you had any 546 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760 connects here because I was cultivating those relationships 547 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,640 all along the way. I can then more authentically 548 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720 reach out versus, you know, I'm sure you get this all the time 549 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200 on LinkedIn, the people saying, hey, I just want to pick your 550 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,840 brain for 5 minutes. And then they're pitching a half 551 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,600 million dollar product and saying, you know, how soon can 552 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,520 you contract this? And I'm saying there's a whole 553 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,960 budgeting season for this, like, you know, so I've learned that, 554 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,920 again, it's one of those things that, like, it's super 555 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,160 important, but it doesn't mean that you have to do it in the 556 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,160 ways that you've seen other people do it. 557 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160 And I might get in trouble with this with some of my colleagues, 558 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,200 but you know who a good brainstorming partner is to 559 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,160 figure out your approach. Who? 560 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,240 ChatGPT. Yes, I agree with you. 561 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,560 I do not disagree with that. Because I. 562 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Mean I'm not going to get to the point like that guy that asked 563 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,680 ChatGPT to marry him. I mean, we have a really good 564 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,160 rapport with each other, but no. Yeah, we have a good report, you 565 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400 know, chat, she refers me by the my first name. 566 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400 I love even the audio. Like I can brainstorm in the car 567 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280 using Bluetooth and we'll just be conversing back and forth. 568 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,520 I love it. But I will tell it like based on 569 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320 everything you know about me, this is, you know, there's this 570 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440 networking reception I'm going to, you know, I hate these. 571 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,960 What are some things, right? And it gave me a lot of actually 572 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040 really good advice that was contextual to the event that I 573 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,640 was going to. So now I'm a little bit more 574 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640 open about going to some of these networking things. 575 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,320 And then you realize, you get out of your head and you realize 576 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,440 that the majority of people want to help, right? 577 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880 And the majority? Know somebody that knows 578 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,520 somebody, they're going to connect you to something else. 579 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,000 Yeah, I think that we just the fear so much then to that like 580 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800 just just getting started just have a little chat. 581 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,760 But going back to the LinkedIn message with Sharon, you would 582 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,480 not believe the cesspool of dare I say shit that I get in my 583 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,680 LinkedIn messages. Jen, we'll have to edit that out 584 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,320 or bleep it or whatever. But I think the other part of 585 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840 networking is making sure that you understand where the other 586 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,960 person is coming from and what their journey has been. 587 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Because at least five times a week, if not more, I get, can 588 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360 you review my resume? And they don't even say hi or 589 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600 can you, can you provide us some support with, you know, we're 590 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,400 starting a new Ed tech company. Can you, you know, and then they 591 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,120 want my services for free And I'm like, that's my time. 592 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,800 Right. That's sorry the puppies. 593 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,640 I was like, that's my time. Exactly. 594 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,040 You know, and, and I, I cannot, I dare I say hate. 595 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,480 I just, I totally dislike the fact that people, number one, 596 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360 they don't honor your time. Number 2, they don't even think 597 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,320 about compensation and #3 when they do compensate you, some 598 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,640 people don't pay you on time. They don't. 599 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440 And one of the things that I've learned too, and this is a 600 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,120 little hack that I've learned when people come to me with 601 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480 those kinds of things because to your point, you know, I've had 602 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,080 people out of the blue that I haven't spoken to a year as, oh, 603 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,440 I need a letter of reference for this particular job. 604 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Oh, when is it needed? Oh, this week, today, tomorrow, 605 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,840 right? And I'm sitting here thinking 606 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,960 like, put yourself in the other person's shoes for a moment, 607 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000 right? Like I was just coming back from 608 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 a conference. I was already behind on this, 609 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800 that and the third. But one of the things that I've 610 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,560 also done even in terms of like when I am able to help, right, 611 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,280 is giving people an action item to show that they're actually 612 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680 invested in this too. Because one of the things that I 613 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,560 found is that sometimes people reach out and they want all this 614 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,200 free advice, they want all this, but they're really just kind of 615 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,440 mining. They're not actually doing 616 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600 anything with it, right. So to your point on the resume 617 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,800 review, I, I've had a couple of like, you know, maybe like a 618 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360 friend of a family member or somebody like that, reach out 619 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,160 and right. But then what I'll say though, 620 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,600 even then is, hey, here's a cool article on like these are the 621 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,360 key things that your resume needs to include. 622 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800 First of all, this is a resume template that I've used. 623 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480 Go back, apply that. And then let's talk. 624 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640 When I tell you that 90% of the time they don't come back. 625 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,960 Yeah. You know, but you have to be, 626 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,040 you have to be respectful of other people's time. 627 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,080 People want to help, but you have to help them help you Don't 628 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320 make somebody a reference, right, right. 629 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,200 Don't make somebody a reference for a job. 630 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,240 And then I get this random, you know, 2O2 number calling me and 631 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,920 I'm in Trader Joe's thinking that that's, you know, my dry 632 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,560 cleaner saying that my clothes are ready. 633 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,560 And then it's saying so and so is applying for a job and they 634 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,480 answer me all these questions. Then first I'm trying to 635 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,560 understand what is the job? Who is this reference for? 636 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560 It's little considerate things like that. 637 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,120 That is just help them help you. Yes, exactly. 638 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Help them help you for sure. And I think it's, I know, but we 639 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,960 are not the saviors. No, as much as I wanna be like a 640 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,280 St. or whatever, I can give you all the advice in the world. 641 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,640 I can share all the resources, and I love sharing resources and 642 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880 crowdsourcing all that stuff. What I cannot do for you is do 643 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,800 the work for you to get to the point where you need to be. 644 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560 I love being the person that you think of when you need some 645 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,600 support. I love being that person and I 646 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800 will be here to listen to you, but I am not going to be the 647 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880 person that is responsible for doing the work for you. 648 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,920 If I am doing some of the work for you and support, you're 649 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120 going to pay me. Exactly. 650 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,520 Exactly. That's always such. 651 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,360 A hard one at the other way around as well, right? 652 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,080 You know. Right, right. 653 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Yeah, you're asking people to provide for one thing if I'm 654 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,560 quickly. This is Real Talk episode. 655 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,080 I'm putting Real Talk at the beginning. 656 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,280 Of this is real talk and I love it because I do. 657 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600 There's also the fact that even if I'm able to do something 658 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080 quickly, you're not paying me just for the time that it took 659 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,040 me to do it. But all the energy that I've put 660 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,240 in perfecting my craft to be able to get to the point that I 661 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,320 can quickly spit out certain things, right. 662 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,840 And so, you know, when you get into the when you're getting to 663 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,240 the place of like people doing the work for you or these really 664 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,800 detailed ass, you know, it's not fair to expect people to do that 665 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,320 for free. Because understand too that 666 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:18,080 that's time that I'm taking away from either my career, that's 667 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040 time I'm taking away. That could be at the gym, that 668 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,040 could be with my family, that I can be with friends or what have 669 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120 you. And so I have to be also very 670 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,280 intentional in where I shift my time. 671 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,000 For sure, for sure. Oh my gosh, you could probably 672 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,040 talk about this all day long. I know every time we talk. 673 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,760 It's like enlightening. Every time we talk, I don't even 674 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,400 feel like we're recording a podcast episode. 675 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,400 I feel like we're sitting here just talking to each other. 676 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480 I'm drinking my little protein milkshake and we're just hanging 677 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,760 out talking about Beyoncé and being entrepreneurs and all that 678 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,159 stuff. But we're coming up on the end 679 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,960 of the episode, as sad as I am about that, cuz I have a feeling 680 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,880 those who are listening right now, they want more. 681 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,640 So we're gonna leave them wanting more from you, Jared, 682 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,440 and they can reach out to you. So people who are thinking 683 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,440 about, I love transitioning teachers. 684 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200 I am a transition teacher and they're thinking about possibly 685 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,200 starting a career and learning and development or maybe 686 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,280 possibly going out on their own. What are three pieces of advice 687 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,480 you've already given some that you have for them to get 688 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,600 started? And I'm really sorry that my 689 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,920 puppy is playing with his duck toy. 690 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,400 That sounds like it's dying. So three pieces of advice, 691 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,520 Jarrett, tell us. Tell us what they are. 692 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,160 So #1 you know, derive a little bit of a derivative of something 693 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,200 I had said earlier is that we are entire complex human beings. 694 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,120 And I think that oftentimes our imposter syndrome comes in 695 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,880 because we're trying to see ourselves in this fixed 696 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,960 capacity, and we don't. And we miss the forest for the 697 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,680 trees of seeing who we are totally. 698 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,200 If you are the family planner for all the family reunions and 699 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,120 the Christmas holiday parties and what have you, you have 700 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,880 project management skills, right? 701 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,240 If you are often the one that's mediating family disputes or 702 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,200 whatever, that's conflict resolution, that is, that is, 703 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,520 you know, that's leadership, right? 704 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,040 And so think about how you show up as a totality of yourself and 705 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,120 then advocate for yourself from there, right? 706 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,200 A lot of times, you know, when I talk to transitioning teachers, 707 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,520 you know, they're looking at Oh well the job description says 708 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,920 this, I haven't done that. When the reality of it is that I 709 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440 could never. I did 1 field work placement in 710 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,680 an elementary school and that killed all of my dreams of being 711 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,000 an. Elementary school teacher. 712 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,720 And so I have, you know, I've hired transitioning teachers and 713 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,880 they have been fantastic. But the one thing I've seen in 714 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,560 interviews oftentimes is again, like sort of trying to do a 1 to 715 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,400 1 transfer thing because my experience doesn't match the 716 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,120 letter of what you have in the job description. 717 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,480 It's not there. I promise you it's there. 718 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,520 The next bit of advice I would say is, you know, get out there 719 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,640 and talk to people. You know, there are a lot of 720 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,520 people who I think are on similar journeys. 721 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,440 You know, even myself with this business, I have a few people 722 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,640 that I've been talking to and we've been accountability 723 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400 buddies with each other, sharing back and forth resources. 724 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,280 The reality of it is that there is room in the pie for all of us 725 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,840 to eat. We don't have to compete with 726 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,920 others or what have you. So, you know, network, you know, 727 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,080 find, find your people, find the people who will encourage you at 728 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,080 parts where you may be discouraged. 729 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,880 And the last thing that I will say is think creatively about 730 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,800 again, how you how you present yourself, how your, how you 731 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,600 search for jobs. You know, AI is changing a whole 732 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,240 lot in terms of even the ways. Even get an AI. 733 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,600 We can do a whole series on AI. We didn't. 734 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,720 Even get into that part. But I feel like the audience 735 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,600 right now is also getting a glimpse into what our phone 736 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,480 calls sound like because we've literally been on the phone for 737 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200 like two or three hours and probably could have recorded 738 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,800 like 12 episodes. Yes, absolutely. 739 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,280 I think we should do it more like this. 740 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,760 First of all, I want to say I admire you. 741 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,680 And I'm not just saying that because we're on air and 742 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,200 recording. I truly admire you. 743 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,640 And I know you reached out to me like it was back in February or 744 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,000 March and I was having a really bad day that day and you reached 745 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480 out and said hello. And that changed my whole, my 746 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,840 whole day. It's like literally just a text 747 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000 message from a friend saying, hey, I'm thinking about you. 748 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,560 It changed my whole perspective of the day and I had a better 749 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,880 day after that. I was like, thank God for Jared 750 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,240 because I was asked about to. Hurt somebody. 751 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,960 Thank you. Well, now, now I need now I need 752 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,240 to reciprocate and tell you something you did that I don't 753 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,560 know that I told you you did for me too. 754 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,720 That made a big deal. You texted me the week after I 755 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,680 put in my notice at my job, Right? 756 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,600 And you know, as I said, you know, I have a lot of fond 757 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,120 feelings for UMGC and you know, it was a difficult decision. 758 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,600 So I began to get into my head a little bit once because there's 759 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,920 something about putting in a resignation letter that like you 760 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,720 begin pressure testing your whole plan. 761 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,000 And I said, nobody's going to want to work with me anymore 762 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,480 because, you know, I'm just as freelancer now before, like it 763 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,160 meant something that I was in this role. 764 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960 So when you had texted me and you said, how are you doing? 765 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,240 And I said, you know, I told you that I was leaving or whatever, 766 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,880 And then you still said, I want you on the podcast. 767 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,080 And I said, just so you know, I won't be work. 768 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,400 I'm not going to have this fancy title when I when we were 769 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,800 recording, you were said no, that's why I want to have you 770 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800 here. And I think that again, in a 771 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,680 place like DC where our our job titles are currency, our job 772 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,080 titles are even currency. Going back to dating, like 773 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,720 that's a whole nother thing. When you explain, I have to 774 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,800 explain what I do now on a date that was actually incredibly 775 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,360 validating and that picked me up for like the rest of the week. 776 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,840 So I'm so glad that. I don't care what your title is, 777 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,920 you're gonna come on the podcast because it's gonna be a freaking 778 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,960 awesome. This is a great episode. 779 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,800 There's so much packed into this, like 30 minutes that we 780 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,760 chatted that people can take away that's gonna resonate with 781 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,320 them. So tell people where they can 782 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,880 connect with you. Where can they find you, Jared? 783 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,680 We're gonna have everything in the show notes, you know, send 784 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,360 us the website to your business. We want to have it all there. 785 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,720 So tell us where. Tell the audience where they can 786 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,040 find you. So first of all, LinkedIn is 787 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,400 like, and I think it's where you and I first even got to meet 788 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,680 each other, right? So LinkedIn, I'm going to be, 789 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,720 I'm going to become more active there again. 790 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:13,160 So you find me at jaredcarteryoucanfindmealso@jaredcarter.com, 791 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,280 which will have links to collaboratics to true RISE 792 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,600 leadership solutions. I am also getting into my 793 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,840 content creator bag as the kids would say. 794 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:29,640 So I if you find me on Instagram, it's DRJARCARI. 795 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,320 Might be renamed that afterwards, but it should 796 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,040 redirect. There's going to be more 797 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,840 content. I'm going to begin posting there 798 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,600 as well. I did my test for I did the 799 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,000 shitty first draft over the weekend. 800 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,480 I just did a a a point of view video of me making macaroni and 801 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,120 cheese for a game night just to see how all the apps work and it 802 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,040 came together to work. There's going to be in the month 803 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680 of August, there's going to be daily post on some daily 804 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,360 reflections as I can't. Wait. 805 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,720 I gotta sign your. Instagram, I can't wait. 806 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600 Well, thank you so much. It's always a pleasure talking 807 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,040 to you. It's always it's always 808 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,440 uplifting and lightning and like, you know, truth bombs like 809 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,960 we need the real talk like there's so many times where I 810 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,400 could have used some real talk instead of some sugar coating 811 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,240 just to provide perspective. So thank you for being my 812 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,640 friend, being on my show. And I never care what your title 813 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,640 is. You know, all kinds of people 814 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,240 walks alive, come on the show and everybody has a story to 815 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,040 share. 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