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Like people's traits really do 
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you need to be careful who's 
close to you. 

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But there were people that I 
have had to cut out of my life 

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because I was not in a position 
and I will never be in a. 

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Position I don't. 
Want to be in a position? 

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I almost don't believe that 
other people can do things 

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wrong. 
I only think I can do something 

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wrong. 
It's hard for me to really 

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understand that other people 
could do something hurtful to me

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and I could be allowed to be 
upset by that. 

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That's hard for me to go because
trying to just like unpack it 

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all and like be the smartest, 
saddest girl in the room. 

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It's not helpful. 
But often the spiral is a 

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spiral. 
You have to let it be. 

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But would we say any different? 
No. 

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Goes without saying you're 
listening to goes without saying

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with Sephy and Wing. 
I'm Sephy. 

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And I'm Wing. 
And this is an episode about how

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to know what you want. 
We are refining our tastes. 

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Who actually are we? 
We talk a lot about certain 

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traits that you might want to 
avoid, not avoid. 

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How the five closest people to 
you in your life are informing 

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your behaviors and mindset. 
This is for you. 

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If you're feeling a little bit 
lost, like you don't know who 

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you are, maybe want a little bit
of clarity. 

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Clarity is a really nice episode
really so enjoy do. 

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The exact same thing, right? 
Hello. 

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So we've sat down the last four 
days to record this. 

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This is our fifth time. 
I'm going well, oh guys, it's 

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been a week, but you know, we're
having a good time. 

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Yeah, I don't know. 
We just recorded like 3 minutes.

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Then Wing was like, what mic am 
I getting from you? 

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And I was like, ah, you're 
getting my headphone mic. 

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Meanwhile we were saying how bad
my old mic was. 

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You know this Mercury 
retrograde. 

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Is it? 
Yeah. 

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Oh, I think it, well, I don't 
know if it still is. 

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I think it starts on the 17. 
For us to. 

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Dive into Can't wait. 
Yeah, well, I have noticed 

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things have been afoot. 
Go on. 

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Just things going wrong like 
technical things. 

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Well, Wings microphone drum. 
Behold, busted microphone last 

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two episodes. 
Have you been hearing an 

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underwater sounds from Wings 
microphone? 

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Absolutely. 
Devastating, didn't it? 

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Yeah. 
You know, just things going 

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awry. 
Like what? 

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I'd love to know. 
I can't really think of 

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anything. 
OK, OK, but just trust me. 

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Like things going wrong. 
It's weird time. 

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I did have a bit of a weird 
moment. 

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This has never happened to me. 
You would have absolutely hated 

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it. 
Oh, but last night it all I will

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say it all worked out. 
You know what I will say we 

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didn't miss the trailers. 
I'll put it that way. 

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Oh my God, already I'm stressed.
We live like 5 minutes from the 

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cinema. 
We were like, let's get food 

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before, it'll be delicious. 
We went to this place. 

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I'm going to pronounce it wrong 
and I don't actually even, I 

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wouldn't even know where to 
start with it. 

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It's called like Shanji or 
something like that. 

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I don't know what this place is 
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you just see something all the 
time and you just think, yeah, 

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yeah, I don't need to know 
anything about. 

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Yeah. 
Right. 

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Yeah, well, I've never been 
there before. 

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Yeah, but I actually thought 
power of TikTok, I saw someone 

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eating noodles there. 
They looked really good. 

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And they were also talking about
the chef with such a loving kind

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of cat. 
I thought, oh, you actually give

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a shit, so I'm gonna eat your 
noodles. 

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Yeah. 
So we went last night before the

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cinema. 
Amazing to see I know what it. 

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Is to see finally 28 years 
later. 

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Someone finally got around 
seeing 28 years later. 

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In a packed cinema, I heard, I 
couldn't believe. 

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This bloody pack got it Still 
packed. 

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I couldn't believe. 
I feel like I saw it like. 

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Just. 
Like a month ago it probably was

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like it was a long time ago. 
Probably what I did go at 11 AM 

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on the day it came out. 
Which is crazy. 

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But. 
Still somewhere in between. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, eating these noodles, 

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having a delicious time. 
My boyfriend was like, what time

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is it? 
I looked at my phone. 

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It's 8:15. 
He was like, the film starts at 

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8:15. 
No, no. 

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And I was like, no, but you're 
the keeper of time here, not me.

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What the fuck up on your? 
Sorrow so, but it was actually, 

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it all worked out perfectly 
amazing and we made it and like 

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made it so much. 
That got to the cinema. 

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I went to the toilet. 
I was taking my time. 

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No, I have to go to the toilet. 
Even if I've just been, I need 

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to go again. 
Just clear it all out. 

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Everything must be gone and then
I won't drink a sip. 

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I won't eat or drink a sip. 
In the I've just that's never 

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happened to me before. 
What time is it? 

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It's the time that the film is 
starting. 

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I know no one cares, but is that
Mercury retrograde or is that 

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just us being stupid? 
I think it's Mercury. 

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It feels a little bit mercurial.
It doesn't Mercurial. 

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Did you see any trailers that 
you want to see? 

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Because I'm might be going this 
evening. 

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Oh, what you're going to say? 
Bring her back. 

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Did you see that? 
Oh, I keep right. 

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So the trailer I saw in the 
cinema last night wasn't very 

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good but I keep getting a 
trailer on like YouTube that I 

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do think looks good. 
Go on. 

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Oh, you saw the bad trailer? 
I'm seeing two different 

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trailers, yeah. 
It does look good, but I've 

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heard. 
It does look good. 

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Like the 1st 20 minutes is like 
really horrific and like 

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difficult to watch. 
Well. 

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No, but that I don't like. 
I I think maybe in a potentially

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like a bit of a torture go away.
As long as it's not like a 

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sexual assault, I'll be fine. 
I agree. 

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There are a few things I don't 
like anything body horror like I

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don't. 
Yeah, you. 

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Are a bit body, aren't you? 
I don't like it at all like the 

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the new one would like Allison 
Brie. 

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That's what I want to watch 
together. 

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I don't, but there's a huge 
scandal about it. 

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They've ripped it off. 
So they were sent this script. 

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Alison Brie. 
And what's his name? 

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Oh. 
Bloody hell, Dave Franco. 

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So you Franco boys, you silly 
goofs. 

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Silly, silly baby boys. 
Fuck. 

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So they were sent. 
Away from it of. 

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This film, I can't remember what
it's called, but the plot is 2 

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lovers getting sort of stuck 
together, metaphor for their 

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codependence, the whole thing. 
They offered to produce it and 

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they said they don't want to 
star in it, but we'll produce 

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it. 
And they said no. 

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That film then comes out a few 
years later, producing, starring

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in this film, whatever it's 
called, whether gluing together 

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because they are so codependent.
Oh no, I. 

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Believe all of that is true. 
There could be some. 

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I. 
Believe you discrepancies in 

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that retelling, but I believe 
you. 

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The crux is they've ripped it 
off. 

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Like it's kind of quite 
scandalous they're being sued. 

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I've only seen people talking 
about how hot they are in it. 

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Which? 
Yeah. 

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Shows that I agree. 
Internet I'm on but OK, love it.

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Crazy. 
Yeah, no, that's not. 

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Just was it. 
How? 

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I don't know if that's true, but
it is. 

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I I read it. 
I read it from a day reputable 

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source. 
Wow, kind of crazy. 

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I bet James is buzzing. 
It's like, finally, I'm not the 

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bad guy, Do. 
They get on James. 

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I don't know, I don't know, but 
I bet he's like, right Christmas

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dinner. 
It's like, does anyone want to 

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ask Dave any questions about 
what he's been up to now He's. 

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Being sued. 
That's crazy. 

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That's crazy. 
Yeah, that's my, I've got a 

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real. 
I don't even want to put this 

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out there because I do have a 
fear. 

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But yeah, I've got a fear of 
like, ending up in prison like 

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Martha Stewart for like, doing 
something kind of fraudulent or 

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like, bad that I'm basically 
being too much of an idiot to do

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something correctly and like 
getting put in prison for it. 

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Oh yeah, kind of a rough one. 
Just so I'd share that with 

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everybody just like you know. 
I also would not like that. 

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No, it wouldn't be. 
Probably you're coming down with

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me as well, so at least we'll be
together. 

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It'll probably be me that says, 
but that thing that I just said,

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they're like that. 
None of that's true. 

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It's fine. 
Who knows? 

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Who knows it like I'm only just 
regarding what I saw but. 

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You can't hold a responsibility.
I'll probably still see it. 

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Yeah. 
No, I will. 

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Wish I actually won't because I 
don't like anything about that. 

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Oh yeah vibes. 
I don't like anything about 

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gluing. 
I don't like gluing vibes. 

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I love gluing vibes. 
I used to love putting glue and 

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I love those. 
Glue vibes, That's amazing. 

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OK, just checking. 
That's just like, it actually is

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kind of relevant to this episode
of just like knowing what you 

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like, knowing what you don't 
like. 

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I just know I do not like I've 
watched enough horror, watched 

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more than enough horror. 
Yeah, more, More than enough to 

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know by this point. 
I do not like body horror. 

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You don't I, which I only really
knew about you when the 

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substance was coming out. 
Yeah, I wouldn't. 

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Say that was, yeah, that was the
first time that I was like, Oh 

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yeah, I'm learning. 
We're always learning new things

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about each other. 
Yeah. 

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I really dislike it and also the
substance is such a sad one to 

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not be able to see it was good 
because I love everything it 

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stands for and also and also 
it's a really confusing 1 of 

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people because I watch horror 
that is like the one thing that.

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It's kind of weird to draw the 
line. 

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There. 
And it's like, no, no, no, no, 

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no, no. 
Yeah, I will not like Fresh was 

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really difficult for me to 
watch. 

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I don't know anything about 
cannibalism, but I think that's 

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being like a vegetarian little 
girl. 

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Yeah, that's fair. 
Kind of has made me really weird

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about cannibalism because I 
wanted to see that one with 

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Timmy in. 
Bones and all. 

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Bones and all, but I just can't 
watch that. 

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Bones and all. 
Yeah, it's crazy goodness. 

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Go. 
I'm going to be OK. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So interesting little chat we're
going to have here today, I 

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hope. 
I hope so. 

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Any thoughts to kick us? 
No, but I this was kind of 

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recommended by someone. 
Not recommended. 

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Requested Recommended by the. 
Recommended. 

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Yeah. 
Someone asked us to talk about 

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this, Which it was exciting. 
Isn't it? 

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So what's? 
Exciting is guys, I'm exhausted.

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I've been working two nights and
it's always exciting. 

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It was exciting when someone 
also I feel like it's not 

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because we get we actually quite
long. 

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Which is always exciting. 
You know what I was doing last? 

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The next step? 
I was scrubbing out a urinal. 

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Right. 
Wish. 

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That's the elephant in the room,
I think because we'll say when 

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we got on the chat this morning,
I was like, God, OK, so you were

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scrubbing. 
Tell me more about it. 

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She was like, no, no, I actually
like that job because you get to

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you go upstairs, you scrub the 
urinal. 

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And I was like, whoa, God, 
you're really selling it to me 

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that you, you really are 
enjoying the urinal, the stuff 

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that the urinal you've been 
doing. 

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I'm scrubbing the urinal, but 
that is one of the jobs that I 

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sort of do volunteer to do quite
weirdly, like because I quite 

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like to just go upstairs and do 
the bathroom. 

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Well, I completely get what you 
mean about getting out of the 

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eye line of the customer. 
Just get out of my fucking face.

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Like I need to be in hiding. 
I used to spend all my time 

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hiding in the stockroom or the 
toilet. 

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Yeah, I feel like, God, this guy
was like shitting all day 

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because I would just be like on 
my phone in the bathroom. 

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I'm not getting out of it. 
That was when I worked at 

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Sainsbury's and I would go and 
sit on the toilet for literally 

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like 40 minutes at a time 
listening to the Percy Jackson 

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audio book. 
And then I got fired by 

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immediately. 
Oh. 

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God mid COVID is well how could 
they do that TA? 

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I think we got to put. 
Food on the table. 

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Well, I actually do think so. 
Me and my sister both worked 

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that. 
Like, my friend was the manager 

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there. 
She was like, do you guys want 

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to work nights? 
And we were like, fuck yeah. 

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And I think we actually were a 
bit disrespectful. 

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Like we didn't really take it as
seriously as we should have. 

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It's one way of putting it. 
And we got fired last two weeks 

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because we, I would like, I 
thought I was like some kind of,

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I don't even know. 
Oh. 

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You were Robin Hooding people, I
remember. 

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Going around, like sneaking in, 
I was basically stealing from 

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Sainsbury's, but giving them to 
like, people, like it was Easter

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and I was putting like cream 
eggs in everyone's shop and 

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stuff like that. 
Yeah. 

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Was just honestly to make the 
shift a bit more fast. 

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Something to do in it? 
It's like 4:00 AM, I'm in 

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Sainsbury's. 
How many? 

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Cars. 
Can I get in that? 

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What? 
Else am I supposed to do all 

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right? 
Look, it's always exciting to 

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talk about something you've been
recommended to talk about. 

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Yeah, that's nonsense. 
Sorry about that. 

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It's always exciting. 
It's always no bit. 

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Sometimes, sometimes it's just 
impossible to not end up like 

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doing the bit of like, So in 
this episode, like, oh, I'm here

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with the microphone anyway. 
Yeah, it's irrelevant. 

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It's not. 
It's not important. 

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So we recommended this and it's 
we recommended this my. 

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Friend and it's always super 
exciting when that happens and 

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we hope you love listening to it
as much as we enjoyed making it 

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and. 
Please like, comment and 

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subscribe. 
You should actually follow on 

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Spotify if you can, please. 
I hate to ask, but like, there 

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is a milestone that we could hit
on there, which would be quite 

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good. 
We're quite a way away from it, 

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just between us, but listen. 
There is a milestone. 

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There are many milestones we 
could hit eventually. 

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Oh. 
My God. 

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OK, perfect. 
So all right, follow us there. 

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Follow us on Spotify would just 
like do whatever you want just 

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live your life. 
I hope you have a nice day by 

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the way. 
Honestly nice to see you. 

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Just go to the. 
Cinema, chill. 

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Just live your life, do your 
thing, scrub your rhino. 

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Right. 
Somebody said, could you say the

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exact question? 
Do you remember it? 

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It was kind of advice for 
finding direction in life, 

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right? 
It was pretty much that. 

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Obviously, you've come to the 
right place. 

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Yeah, yeah, it was literally 
advice for finding direction. 

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OK. 
And we've taken it on our own 

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little. 
We've. 

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Put a nice little. 
Spin on it. 

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What you asked, but also so it 
is. 

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Well, look, I think, do you? 
Should I go? 

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Go. 
OK, so I'll start with one 

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thing. 
For example, last night went to 

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see 28 Years Later perfectly. 
We set that up almost by magic. 

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Now we've tied it back in and 
within the first like 10 

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minutes, I had myself thinking 
and don't be alarmed because I 

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did enjoy the film, but I 
thought to myself, huh, I don't.

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I think I'm at the point where I
realized me and Danny Boyle 

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don't necessarily get along. 
I don't love the this style of 

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film. 
I did like the film, but. 

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Yeah, other than the end, I love
the. 

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Other than the 2 minutes at the 
end and the I said Stephie 

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instant replay that I'm watching
every 5 minutes. 

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I know you do. 
I know you do. 

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You see the arrow, then you see 
the arrow again. 500 from every 

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different angle. 
Yeah, it's just a little bit 

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like you're literally like, 
that's like baby cousin. 

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It's like throwing like cars 
around the room sort of thing. 

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But love it. 
Love it. 

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I'm happy for you. 
You know what? 

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3 overloads. 
Yeah. 

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It's just it's a little much for
me. 

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And I thought to myself, huh, 
Danny Boyle, like, you know, 

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you're not my fave. 
Whatever. 

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And then I thought how lovely to
be at a point in my life where I

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think things like Danny Boyle's 
not my fave. 

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Yeah. 
Because when you're like 13, I 

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wasn't necessarily thinking 
Danny Boyle's not my fave. 

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I was thinking, yeah, God. 
You think? 

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Look at that arrow. 
I was thinking, God, a lot of 

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other things, yeah. 
And so we had a brief 

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conversation earlier about taste
and how that is a nice kind of 

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like guiding light to steer you 
when you're feeling kind of 

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directionless and lost. 
It is nice to almost like I 

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think I find it and someone I 
remember asked about this as 

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well. 
So it's always exciting. 

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Another question we got someone 
said like, you know, I don't 

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know if it was advice on or 
like, can you talk more about 

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finding your sense of self? 
And I think these two concepts 

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kind of scissor each other quite
nicely because there's something

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about feeling very lost and 
directionless. 

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And for me personally, also 
feeling like I'm lost in myself,

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not even in my life, like things
in my life or whatever. 

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I'm going through the motions. 
It might be fine, but for 

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whatever reason, I'm feeling 
lost in myself. 

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There's something comforting 
about being like, I enjoyed this

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podcast, for example. 
Well, like I have acquired a 

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taste or I have an opinion and 
that is true to me. 

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And almost like this is the 
living proof here. 

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I am human being at my court, 
full complete. 

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Yeah, With things to say and 
something to offer. 

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Yeah, there's something really 
like Thank God for that about 

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it. 
Yeah, also, I, we were just 

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talking about this as well, but 
a few days ago I was in a cafe 

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by the beach actually, and I was
making this kind of like just in

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my notebook. 
It was like I was doing this 

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kind of exercise from, I'm 
reading, I don't know if I 

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mentioned this. 
I'm reading the source by Doctor

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Tara Swat Queen. 
And in there, that's like make 

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a, you draw like a tree. 
And then you write 5 names of 

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five people that are closest to 
you in your life right now. 

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And then you do 5 adjectives 
that describe each of them. 

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And then you have lick which 
ones you have and lick which 

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ones you don't have. 
And like what's negative and 

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positive, whatever. 
Basically it's a way of being 

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like, if the five closest people
to you are like informing your 

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behaviors, which behaviors do 
you like, which behaviors do you

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think you have? 
Blah, blah. 

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Yeah, Wing obviously was on 
there and I wrote down, I texted

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you being like, I wrote down 
this adjective, which I think 

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you might, it might not like 
come to you immediately about 

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yourself. 
Like I feel like you would maybe

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be like, no or I don't know. 
But then the word was self 

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assured. 
Like, I feel like you really, 

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really like, have a strong 
sense, yeah, of who you are, 

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what you like, and kind of 
those, like, tastes. 

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It's nice it Sims fortrite self 
assured I believe. 

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It's a what? 
A Sims 4 trait. 

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Self assured. 
There goes my taste again. 

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Hey, she likes Sims. 
Yeah, well, it's nice. 

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I think it's really that I think
you do have like a really strong

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sense of like. 
What? 

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I definitely give you something,
don't I? 

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Yeah, there's definitely 
something that I'm giving you 

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that you'll that you can feed 
off of. 

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Nothing to nothing to feed off. 
So much to feed off feast. 

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I don't know, but I'm why did 
you bring that up? 

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Because I think you've got a 
special sense of your taste. 

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Oh, got it. 
Yeah, I'm not sure. 

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Yeah. 
We can, I think you do. 

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But like I get the thing of 
being like, OK, so I'm in the 

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cinema and I'm having an 
experience of I do not like this

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thing. 
This is like not for they're. 

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Not having fun. 
We're having. 

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A good time. 
I want to go. 

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Get me back to the noodles. 
I actually did really enjoy the 

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film. 
Yeah, no. 

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Oh my God, it's amazing. 
As I've said, just. 

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Danny, well, pushes luck with me
specifically. 

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Also, it's it sometimes it is 
like literally a matter of. 

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Just show some restraint. 
For someone, but it's not really

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for me. 
No, it's not so fine. 

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It's almost. 
That's for Bart Simpson. 

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No. 
That's me. 

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That's so many. 
It's it's. 

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For kind of I do, I do whatever.
I loved it the bit when they are

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like so that the trailer for 28 
years later if you don't want. 

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To the trailer's amazing. 
Fine, you don't have to watch 

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the film if you watch. 
That is the most beautiful 

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trailer I have seen in so far. 
It's a really good trailer. 

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The it's absolutely insane and 
like has redefined what making a

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trailer. 
But that's not what I mean by 

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his style, specifically the 
style. 

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I mean like the jumpy edit 
because I like the splicing in 

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of like historic footage or 
whatever, obviously. 

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And I like beautiful kind of 
sound design. 

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I just don't need to see an 
arrow from 500 different shots 

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of an iPhone. 
It's wild. 

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I do need to see and I love. 
That I think. 

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I actually need to see. 
Oh, scrolling on a. 

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Perspective running really fast 
through the woods. 

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I need to see. 
There's something kind of Candy 

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Crush about it. 
It's like Subway Surfer. 

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I don't agree. 
There's nothing like it. 

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And also I think of you, if he 
was like first time director 

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that had made that people bet 
this is too much, like this is 

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too much. 
Imagine if a woman tried doing 

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something. 
Like that insane, but I 

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literally love it. 
Like I can't. 

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It's fully like an assault on 
the sense. 

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It's like you feel like, Oh my 
God. 

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It is definitely an assault. 
Yeah, I really, really like. 

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I do like it. 
I like the film as well. 

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I like the stuff. 
I just, I'm constantly thinking 

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some restraint. 
That would have been nice. 

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So just because you can doesn't 
mean you should. 

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I think dial it up. 
Do you know who's amazing? 

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We've just spoken like this as 
well. 

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Aaron Taylor Johnson. 
Oh my Lord. 

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It's best he's looks like Robbie
I think. 

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It's yeah, it's it's you. 
Everything about is perfect 

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apart from that one thing that 
you do that I don't. 

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Like, yeah, yeah, there's really
those. 

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I don't actually one. 
Point that I'm not a big fan. 

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I know what that really don't 
like. 

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That whole bit of him, he's 
perfect, perfect, perfect until 

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the moment they return. 
Till he opens his mouth 

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basically. 
Yeah, basically. 

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And it's like. 
It was a silent film once again.

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If it was a Charlie Chaplin 
silent number, I'd be He'd be 

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perfect. 
No, no, you wouldn't. 

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Other than that one thing. 
Yeah, other than that one 

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moment, but so good. 
But also you were just saying 

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about, which is. 
This is such a small one, but I 

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think is so just one of those 
things of like and courage is 

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like knowing what you like and 
it's just being like now a thing

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that like yeah, I know I don't 
like this thing. 

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You were just saying that you 
like a firm pillow. 

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I. 
Love a firm pillow and. 

457
00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,560
It's like, yeah, that's like 
it's a soft pillow. 

458
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,960
I know there for many people, 
but firm pillow all the way. 

459
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,400
Better. 
Yeah, better. 

460
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:19,960
And that makes me feel more, I'm
confident with not the pillow 

461
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,680
specifically, but the 
relationship between me and my 

462
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,480
understanding of said pillow. 
Yes, Now I feel better because I

463
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,360
because I made a choice and I 
and I like it and like it feels 

464
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:37,440
comforting to know that like 
this thing that I'm like going 

465
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,680
through life with. 
That's me. 

466
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,760
Yeah, OK, you better get to know
that then. 

467
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,920
And like OK, fine. 
Like gotta stock up on hard 

468
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,960
pillows. 
There's just something about 

469
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,800
that that is kind of like 
validating in that way. 

470
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520
I think as well because I this 
sounds like really crazy, but it

471
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,360
is just an objective truth about
my life. 

472
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:59,280
My belief is that I can see that
other humans are like valid and 

473
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,120
you know, whatever in their own 
being and have whatever. 

474
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,040
I don't see that. 
But I think there's something 

475
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,280
wrong with me or like I'm not, 
I'm not equal to the other 

476
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520
humans. 
So then when I noticed myself 

477
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,600
being like, wait, you like firm 
pillows? 

478
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,240
Yeah. 
It's almost like, well, there is

479
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,720
something in there, though it's 
a lot. 

480
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,680
Maybe you're probably like the 
other. 

481
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,640
Humans, you're just like them. 
I don't know. 

482
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800
No, no, I do get that. 
It's not nothing. 

483
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,880
No, it's not nothing famously. 
OK, so when you're writing out 

484
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,480
your five traits of people, what
are the ones that you're most 

485
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,480
drawn to then that you feel most
connected to or that you feel 

486
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,360
like subconsciously or 
consciously you're drawn to in 

487
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,920
other people to help you feel 
like you're going in the right 

488
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,640
direction? 
Well, it was actually shocking 

489
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,120
to me, like what it was emerging
so clearly that like the people 

490
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,560
that are closest to me all have 
these like core things, which 

491
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,520
are they're fucking generic as 
shit, like they but it just 

492
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,200
shows that how important these 
things are to me. 

493
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,600
I was so so so surprised that 
like every single person that is

494
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,560
like close to me and I want in 
my life is funny. 

495
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560
Every single person funny #1 
not. 

496
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:11,560
Every single person that I want.
Crucial taken of. 

497
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,600
The sentence that I want. 
OK, fair enough. 

498
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,160
Every single one. 
Funny. 

499
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,400
Yep, I'm included in that. 
Strong second clever, witty 

500
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,200
would like funny, witty. 
I put like quite a lot like they

501
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,160
just have like got like a sense 
of like wit to them. 

502
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,160
Lovely, loyal, was like a big 
one, like just people, very 

503
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,840
loyal. 
Do I get that loyal or did I 

504
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,400
not? 
I don't think. 

505
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,480
That was in your top five, OK, I
think, but like that was more 

506
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,360
like. 
Fine. 

507
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,720
I don't know if loyal, disloyal,
there's so much. 

508
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,280
More that goes above that, but 
like Loyal was really, really 

509
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,800
strong with my family, right? 
Like there's sort of like you 

510
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,680
know of. 
Course. 

511
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,560
Yeah, OK, fine. 
Not to be too. 

512
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,440
Yeah, OK. 
But you obviously are loyal, it 

513
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:06,040
just wasn't in your top. 
Didn't quite make the cut. 

514
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,000
But I think it was really 
useful, just like I actually 

515
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,560
really recommend it as like an 
exercise. 

516
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600
Yeah, I'm going to do it if. 
You get loyal. 

517
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,600
Yeah. 
I'll send you the page from her.

518
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,040
Yeah, please do it from the 
book. 

519
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,960
It was really interesting. 
Like it just surprised me 

520
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,880
because there were traits in 
there. 

521
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,400
Like, I know kindness is so 
important, but it wasn't showing

522
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,440
up as much as it was low. 
It was actually low in terms of 

523
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,760
like, all these people are kind.
But it's like when I actually 

524
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,080
I'm thinking about like, God, 
who are they? 

525
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,480
It's like they are funny. 
They are clever. 

526
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Like, yeah, even like some 
people, people that I absolutely

527
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,360
love being like selfish is one 
of the core traits, but like, it

528
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,800
is overridden by their 
intelligence, the funniness, the

529
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,520
loyalty, like all of the staff, 
like, and actually people that 

530
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:07,280
had like, maybe like softer 
trades were not, I don't know, 

531
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,040
there was less kind of like, I'm
less, what is it, less inclined 

532
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,160
to align myself with them. 
Yeah. 

533
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,400
Well, I think you like softness 
if it's at full volume. 

534
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,440
I think you don't. 
Yeah, I don't think you like 

535
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,960
anything. 
Yeah, I think that might be 

536
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,560
there's something in there. 
I think that you don't like 

537
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,200
stuff kind of diluted. 
You want the. 

538
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,160
Full. 
Sort of. 

539
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:37,400
I think this is like a taste 
thing I don't really like or 

540
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,920
like, I find it really, I don't 
find it particularly, like 

541
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,320
compelling like that kind of 
middle zone or it's like, yeah, 

542
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,920
it's almost like I like to or 
like the people that I feel 

543
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,000
really drawn to, like exist at 
kind of extremes of stuff like, 

544
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,280
and you're definitely as extreme
before you give me a look. 

545
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,440
I'm loud and quick. 
I think I just like people that 

546
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,920
have intense personalities. 
I think it's 'cause it's what I 

547
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:10,560
grew up with people that are 
like intensely themselves, like 

548
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,120
not even like proudly themselves
or like unashamedly themselves, 

549
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,360
but like cannot help but be like
intensely themselves. 

550
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,480
And like emotions are like the 
surface of like everything, 

551
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,240
whether that's like having an 
amazing time or having a 

552
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,640
terrible time or like if you're 
angry or fully angry. 

553
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,040
If you're sad, you're fully sad.
If you're laughing, you're like 

554
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,560
crying, laughing, like all of 
that stuff. 

555
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,760
I think I don't particularly 
feel drawn to people that like 

556
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
exist in the middle ends of that
spectrum, which maybe is like 

557
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,720
kind of a healthier way to be, 
but I find it really boring 

558
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,040
actually. 
People that are just like, I 

559
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840
don't know, that is really rude.
No, I don't think it's rude. 

560
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,760
I don't think it's rude at all. 
I think it makes a lot of sense 

561
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,200
even in a lot of ways. 
I think it makes sense even just

562
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,440
like on a compatibility level, 
which is like what? 

563
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,280
Like can't argue with that. 
But also I think there is 

564
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,400
something about kind of it's the
things that you value, like 

565
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,000
humor and intelligence you want.
That I like honesty. 

566
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Yeah. 
Like if I think I find it 

567
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,360
potentially dishonest or like 
inauthentic in a way when like 

568
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,800
things feel kind of like a bit 
neutral, it's like I know that 

569
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,880
there's something in there. 
Yeah, please let me help it. 

570
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,160
Yeah, yeah. 
I don't know. 

571
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,680
No, I love it. 
So I think I do like it was, it 

572
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,400
was really helpful in terms of 
like really getting on paper 

573
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,600
like your tastes of your taste 
in terms of like friendship, 

574
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,720
relationships, family, all of 
the staff like, and all of it's 

575
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,880
informed by it all. 
Like it's kind of like a cycle 

576
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,440
of stuff. 
But it really was quite useful 

577
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,840
just to be like, Oh my God, like
all these people that are like 

578
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,080
my key people, the train just 
screaming loud and clear. 

579
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,040
Well, I think it's, no, I think 
that's good because, well, I 

580
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,560
think doing something like that,
I'm gonna do this. 

581
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,960
I'm gonna write down the five 
people or whatever and yeah, 

582
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,280
we'll see. 
And I went a bit beyond the 

583
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,600
five. 
I did the five. 

584
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,080
And then just kind of some top 
players some. 

585
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,360
People that are also really 
close to me, yeah. 

586
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Then thinking about like just 
that thing of like, if you're 

587
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,080
most informed by the five 
people, yeah, to you, let's 

588
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,840
maybe bring in. 
There's so many people on the 

589
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,240
sidelines that I admire that 
could be brought into that. 

590
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,640
Yeah, You know, because I think 
it can be confronting. 

591
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520
Then if you do this five thing 
and whatever, well, you start 

592
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840
listing people who you see the 
most will have the most kind of 

593
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,800
impact on you and you start 
listing out well, like they're 

594
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:43,120
kind of like judgmental. 
So maybe, you know, and yeah, I 

595
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,640
need to be aware of that at 
least. 

596
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,720
If this is someone who I can't 
help but have in my life, then I

597
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,000
need to at least hold that with 
me in my mind when I'm around 

598
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920
them and stuff. 
Because I do think like, we are 

599
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,880
so malleable. 
I am so malleable, so 

600
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,840
impressionable that like, yeah 
OK, spend like 5 weeks with 

601
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,000
someone and I'll become a lot 
more like them than I was 

602
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760
before. 
So, so so quickly. 

603
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,280
Yeah, and subtly I think as 
well. 

604
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,120
And it's. 
Rubbing off like yeah, no, it's 

605
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,720
so true. 
Yeah. 

606
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,280
Sorry, I interrupted you. 
Go on. 

607
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Did you? 
I think so. 

608
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Well. 
It's probably for good reason 

609
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,280
because I don't have anything 
else good to give. 

610
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Well, I was then saying that I 
OK, so recently I had a 

611
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,200
conversation. 
Do you guys remember we were 

612
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960
talking about being capped at a 
sea as a friend, Yes. 

613
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Or friendships that you cap as a
sea whereas some people are 

614
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,680
expected. 
Whatever. 

615
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,240
Do you guys remember that? 
I remember it. 

616
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,640
It was a while ago that last 
this time last year, probably 

617
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,360
ish. 
God, time flies. 

618
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,360
Jesus. 
Wow. 

619
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Anyway, I had a conversation 
with someone else the other day 

620
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,200
that kind of recontextualized 
some things for me. 

621
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,520
Yeah. 
And I started kind of 

622
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,680
processing, you know, just, you 
know, just letting some things. 

623
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,600
The dust is settling on certain 
things. 

624
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,800
You know, there's some new 
conclusions coming to 

625
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,680
conclusions and just kind of 
wrapping things up and just 

626
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,200
seeing how I feel about that. 
Yeah. 

627
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
And I was kind of saying just 
before we started recording 

628
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,600
this, that there are certain 
things about people that may 

629
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
have been in my life, for 
example, that even if I were 

630
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,680
feeling this sounds really 
horrible. 

631
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Maybe. 
Well, maybe it's horrible. 

632
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,560
It's not nice, but. 
But. 

633
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,840
Also, I think we keep being like
or like. 

634
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
The instinct is to be like oh 
I'm being, I'm not. 

635
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Mean, I swear we're talking. 
About taste, which is a matter 

636
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,120
of matter of liking and 
disliking things. 

637
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,880
And also what I'm about to say 
is not Even so much about taste 

638
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,200
and liking and disliking, but 
actually I think it's about not 

639
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,040
feeling like I am allowed to be 
hurt by something that someone 

640
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,000
else has done or like. 
Like not feeling like that in 

641
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,520
the way that other people, I can
see other people as human. 

642
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,320
I almost don't believe that 
other people can do things 

643
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,160
wrong. 
I only think I can do something 

644
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,040
wrong. 
Does that make sense? 

645
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,240
Even though I know, like, 
obviously, you know, people, I 

646
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,200
get it. 
Like, you know, I'm not, you 

647
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440
know, I'm not. 
But but in my belief of like how

648
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,800
I act in my life, it's hard for 
me to really understand that 

649
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,160
other people could do something 
hurtful to me and I could be 

650
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,240
allowed to be upset by that. 
That's hard for me to grasp 

651
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,760
because I assume that I'm doing 
everything wrong and I must have

652
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,360
just, you know, got my knickers 
in A twist somewhere. 

653
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,120
But no, anyway, really 
contextualising, just re 

654
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,720
understanding this situation 
that happened probably about 

655
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200
this time last year through new 
conversations with it and you 

656
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440
know, just as things change and 
whatever, just thinking back, 

657
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,760
how do I feel about that? 
You know, could I have acted 

658
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,160
different? 
Well, how is that moving 

659
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,920
forward? 
And I think in terms of, like, 

660
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,720
feeling a strong sense of 
direction, there is something 

661
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,960
about being able to look 
elsewhere and knowing like, OK, 

662
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,080
even if I don't know who I am or
where I'm going, I'm confident 

663
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,960
that I'm not doing that. 
Yeah, I'm confident that I'm not

664
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,680
doing what you're doing. 
And maybe that is enough and 

665
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,800
that maybe sounds mean and it's 
not about carrying a judgement 

666
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040
towards other people's choices 
in their lives. 

667
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,040
But I think more about like 
using it to affirm your choices 

668
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,720
and like who you are and what 
you want and not feeling like 

669
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440
you need to kind of just like 
crumble into what other people 

670
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440
are doing, especially when 
you're younger. 

671
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
I think that is hard to hold on 
to. 

672
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,000
Definitely, because those things
are decisions as well. 

673
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,840
When you're, yeah, when you're 
younger and everyone seems to be

674
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,880
going down one path and you 
maybe do a different thing, it 

675
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920
might not feel like you're 
actively making a decision 

676
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,840
against it, but even by like. 
Opting out? 

677
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,160
Opting out you are. 
Making is a choice, Yeah. 

678
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,880
Do you ever get it Where? 
I don't know. 

679
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,160
Sometimes I think about like 
I've been in certain areas of 

680
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720
the world, I mean, 
geographically where like people

681
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200
have been very like racist, for 
example, or people have been 

682
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,600
very like had a particular 
political leaning and you're 

683
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,680
made out to be the fucking 
weirdo definitely for saying 

684
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,360
like, hey, guys like me. 
My God, yes. 

685
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,080
I actually like or just, you 
know. 

686
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,280
You know, it's kind of one of 
the big differences, I think 

687
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,960
from like going home that is 
like a small town that like 

688
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,880
potentially like reform kind of 
beliefs. 

689
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Or like there might be like even
just like a smaller view. 

690
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,960
Like even taking like huge 
political shitstorms like out of

691
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,040
it, which like there is like a 
huge, huge, huge discrepancy of 

692
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,320
how we think. 
But like, even just in terms of 

693
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,080
like what the role of a woman is
in society or just like the 

694
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,440
decisions you should make, maybe
you should be married with three

695
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,720
children by the age of like 25. 
You should. 

696
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Have frozen your eggs at 24 
they. 

697
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Don't think they've heard that 
before. 

698
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640
They don't think freeze eggs. 
I don't think. 

699
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,680
I think they think pop them out 
freezing eggs. 

700
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,640
I think it's like, whoa, God 
therapy. 

701
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,560
What do you remember when 
someone said to one of my 

702
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,520
friends when we were probably 23
or 24? 

703
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,040
She was like, if you're not 
going to have kids now, you 

704
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,200
should freeze your eggs. 
Oh. 

705
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,320
My God, no, I don't remember 
that at all. 

706
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,880
Who was that? 
It's quite bad, isn't it? 

707
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,520
I can't say. 
I can't you tell me if you know 

708
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,280
that name. 
No, I know. 

709
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440
I don't know that name. 
Weird. 

710
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,080
Yeah, there are different views.
Like definitely. 

711
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,239
That was like a huge thing of 
like going going to a city and 

712
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,159
being like, Oh my God, everyone 
kind of or like the vast 

713
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,199
majority of people that I'm 
meeting here are agreeing with 

714
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,159
the things that I think which I 
have thought like, yeah, my 

715
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:27,440
whole life have been like, ohh, 
God, you bloody feminist, like 

716
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,320
vegan feminist. 
And I'm like. 

717
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,719
Yeah. 
Like I'm just like seeing. 

718
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960
I'm a weirdo. 
Yeah, basically. 

719
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,440
And then sort of going back to 
it and feeling maybe a little 

720
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,679
bit, I don't know, like silently
smug, I'll say of just like, OK,

721
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,760
like you are in a small town and
that's why you think that 

722
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,880
nothing in small towns void Have
I put my time in in the small? 

723
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,840
Town. 
Yeah, yeah. 

724
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,639
But it's like that is where why 
you have these beliefs because 

725
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,360
you haven't really left this 
place. 

726
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,120
And trust me, it is. 
Totally. 

727
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,560
Well known and these people is, 
you know, it's generational 

728
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,200
stuff going on there. 
But yeah, when you leave, you do

729
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520
see a bigger thing and then you 
come back and it's all, it's 

730
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,800
completely different ideologies 
going around. 

731
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,000
But it's so even like us talking
about, and we will get back on 

732
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,800
this, but kind of the whole self
sabotaging thing and talking 

733
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,320
about the climate of like 
recreating the kind of magic 

734
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,480
that was like 2020-2021 for us 
of like there are certain 

735
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,600
conditions that allow you to 
lean into feeling better. 

736
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,960
There are certain conditions 
that allow you to feel like shit

737
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,840
and like the longer they are 
sustained the harder it is to 

738
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,520
kind of claw your way out and 
back into something good for 

739
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,680
yourself. 
I was going to ask you a 

740
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,680
question and it's a bit like 
depressing but I think we might 

741
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,200
have a good conversation about 
it and I'll answer as well. 

742
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,360
If I can think of an answer, I 
wonder if it's worth considering

743
00:35:55,240 --> 00:36:00,600
the time in your life, my life, 
our life, whatever where you 

744
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Let's even do it about podcast. 
Actually, it might be quite 

745
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,880
good, quite enlightening, where 
you felt most lost. 

746
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080
The time in the podcast where I 
felt the most lost. 

747
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,360
I guess unless you wanted to 
open it up to your own life, 

748
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,320
right. 
Yeah. 

749
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,680
So take the out. 
Yeah, it's an interesting 

750
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,840
question because there have been
highs and lows and. 

751
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,600
Yeah. 
Do you know what time that's 

752
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,960
coming to me? 
And I don't know if this will be

753
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,760
what. 
Yeah. 

754
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,360
Thinking of but I think this is 
about how because basically all 

755
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,480
of it is just about how you feel
yourself completely. 

756
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,280
Yeah. 
The time that I probably felt 

757
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,560
most like insecure and like 
unhappy. 

758
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,800
I guess like and like the 
podcast, it wasn't necessarily 

759
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
stressing me because it was 
everything at this point and how

760
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,040
kind of has been for the whole 
five years. 

761
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,920
But like I think I felt 
particularly bad in myself and 

762
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,120
then like having to film like or
just like being on FaceTime was 

763
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,840
like difficult. 
I just had a lot of like body 

764
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:03,440
image shit going on at this time
was when I lived in Putney. 

765
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,120
So weird because I was going to 
bring this up earlier, Yeah. 

766
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,600
Intriguing. 
I lived in Putney and it was 

767
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,800
like an kind of an amazing time 
where we'd got this kind of 

768
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,480
incredible house that we lived 
in because it was like just post

769
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,080
COVID. 
It was a house that now Jesus 

770
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,440
Christ, we would not be able to 
afford. 

771
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Had like an amazing like spiral 
staircase down to the garden. 

772
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,280
Oh my God, it was incredible. 
Like just by the river loved it 

773
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,600
and I was doing like nothing but
the podcast. 

774
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,040
But that's not it wasn't really 
enough. 

775
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,280
Like it was just kind of like 
doing the one hour of a podcast 

776
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,240
and then just like you can go 
anywhere. 

777
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,840
Like it was kind of pandemicy 
times. 

778
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840
You're just sort of in a house 
or like going for a walk along 

779
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,000
the river every day. 
And I wasn't like particularly 

780
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,880
for build in my life, I think, 
and it was just kind of a lost 

781
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,800
time, but like also so amazing 
at the same time. 

782
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,680
And I think I felt really bad 
just like in the way that body 

783
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:07,000
image has always been the thing 
my go to way to like express 

784
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,640
like self hate basically. 
And I think it just came up 

785
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,240
classically. 
It was just like waiting. 

786
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,480
I feel bad. 
Classic body images just going 

787
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,440
to come in. 
And I think I found it really 

788
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,000
difficult to even like sit down 
and be on FaceTime and like even

789
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,520
we write recording little. 
We're recording the whole 

790
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,560
episode on our phones at that 
point just to do reels with 

791
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,720
them. 
Like not even that many, but I 

792
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,320
found that like really 
stressful. 

793
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,640
I think that was probably the 
time. 

794
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,320
It's funny because I was 
thinking of that specific time, 

795
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,880
but for a different reason. 
And almost in a, in a vague sort

796
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,880
of way, I was thinking about it 
in relation to people in life 

797
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,040
who then because they're doing 
different sorts of things, 

798
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,120
there's a sort of judgment that 
can kind of even even if it's 

799
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,800
not like outward or explicit, it
feels like, oh, we're making 

800
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,640
different choices and like, do 
you think I'm wrong or like 

801
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,600
things like that? 
Do you know what I mean? 

802
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,600
But also like it is really 
interesting because it feels 

803
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,280
like sometimes it is kind of 
what you said at the beginning 

804
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,360
about it. 
It's so mental because so much 

805
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,600
of like when you're feeling 
really lost, I think is like 

806
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,680
when things are just going quite
well generally the surface. 

807
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,120
Yeah, it. 
Wasn't even necessarily bad 

808
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,640
enough to change anything. 
Like all like to realize you 

809
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,480
need to change anything. 
I think I just felt kind of like

810
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,520
low key bad. 
Yeah. 

811
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,040
For ages like that was sort of 
it, like almost because I was, I

812
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,040
was happy and all and also my 
life was kind of luxurious like 

813
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,720
it was. 
Lovely. 

814
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,960
Yeah, it was. 
Really luxurious, like it was 

815
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,800
stunning. 
I was like nannying for some 

816
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,960
kids like that. 
Lived in like fucking like 

817
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,440
actually insane. 
Yeah, it was like insane. 

818
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,560
Like they're. 
Probably 100 years old by now. 

819
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,640
So nice, like it was really 
stunning. 

820
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,920
But yeah, I think I just that 
that there was like a lot of 

821
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,720
space in my life, just kind of 
classic COVID vibes, but almost 

822
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,520
like COVID had. 
Yeah, it was like. 

823
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Starting to taper out and I, 
yeah, I just really didn't feel 

824
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,760
like good in myself when I like 
think back to that time when I 

825
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,880
can look back when I look back 
on my through my camera roll, 

826
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,920
that period. 
Lot of filters on photos and 

827
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,920
things like that. 
Like I think Instagram was a bit

828
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,440
more filtery, like as a bit fun 
thing, but like I look like, not

829
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,160
necessarily like I put filters 
on, but like I'm wearing. 

830
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Yeah. 
And the filter like. 

831
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,360
Yeah. 
And like eyes. 

832
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,280
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

833
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,360
So I think that was just like a 
lot of stuff feeding in at that 

834
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,280
time. 
Yeah. 

835
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,960
And there were like eating 
disorders around me with the 

836
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,320
people in my life at. 
That time. 

837
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,120
That kind of what we talked 
about earlier, like people's 

838
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,320
traits really do feed into you. 
And This is why you need to be 

839
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,760
careful who's close to you. 
And it's nothing against these 

840
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,280
people. 
Like these, like literally wish 

841
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,160
the best. 
Like so much like literally wish

842
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,120
the best totally. 
But there were people that I 

843
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,160
have had to cut out of my life 
because not even in a brutal 

844
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,680
way, in a fizzle, they would 
never see it as a car. 

845
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,880
But like genuinely, I was not in
a position and I will never be 

846
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,040
in a. 
Position and I don't. 

847
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,040
Want to be in a position to I 
will never have people that 

848
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,680
have, I really, really fucking 
struggle to be around people 

849
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,400
that restrict food like as a 
habit, as a thing. 

850
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,840
I just can't really do it and I 
just don't want to be around it.

851
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,320
I think it's completely fair 
enough. 

852
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,360
And I also think then it makes 
sense thinking of you going back

853
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,360
home after that. 
Yeah. 

854
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,560
And having a completely 
different kind of like state to 

855
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,920
almost like shake off some of 
that kind of. 

856
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Because that feels like a 
million. 

857
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,960
Energy right now, that London 
house, that last one, yeah. 

858
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,720
And I didn't have a bad time. 
I had a great time. 

859
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,040
I lived in a whole other house 
in London after that. 

860
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Love so much in Hern Hill. 
And then I was at home and yeah,

861
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,600
I don't know, there's been so 
many areas. 

862
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Also I've moved every year for 
the last like 5 years other than

863
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,600
the year and a half in WAS. 
It only a year and a half that 

864
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,880
you were at home. 
Yeah, it. 

865
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:09,640
Wasn't even 2. 
Years. 

866
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,360
I don't think it was. 
No, it wasn't two years. 

867
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,240
That's crazy. 
Yeah, but that was a lifetime of

868
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,280
stuff going on there it. 
Was a lifetime of stuff. 

869
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Got aged like five years in that
time. 

870
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Like, yeah. 
Crazy. 

871
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,240
What about you? 
Well, well, actually before I 

872
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,000
answer, what do you think got 
you out of that? 

873
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:33,760
What even was my answer? 
In Putney, the happiest place on

874
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,120
earth. 
So so when did you feel? 

875
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,840
The most lost when I was in a 
pizza. 

876
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,760
When I was living on the river 
in a really cheap house in my 

877
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,080
podcast and I found it hard to 
go on FaceTime. 

878
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,080
But do you like, fucking did? 
Actually, yeah, No, of course. 

879
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,040
Of. 
Course, yeah. 

880
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,760
I don't know if it was just 
shaking up the energy, but I I 

881
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,920
felt like when I think about 
that time, I do think about the 

882
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,680
people around you. 
Yeah, a lot. 

883
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,680
I think it was that. 
I think it was the lifestyle of 

884
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,880
like everyone around me was like
working corporate jobs and I 

885
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,000
wasn't doing that. 
So it made me feel kind of like,

886
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,840
what am I doing? 
This is strange. 

887
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Like like quite lost. 
And then there was so, so, so 

888
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,760
much really unhealthy stuff 
around food. 

889
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,320
Like, just kind of food was like
a big thing, but like, people 

890
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:33,000
weren't really eating and it was
not good to be around. 

891
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Yeah. 
And wish so I'm sending so much 

892
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,680
love. 
But like, I just thought I'd be 

893
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,440
around that shit. 
It's funny that when I was 16, I

894
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,320
can't go back. 
No. 

895
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,280
Well, and you shouldn't have to.
No, it's funny to. 

896
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,680
I was just laughing because it's
funny to describe it like that. 

897
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,760
And I thought, what did you mean
by that when you said food was 

898
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,400
such a big thing but nobody was 
eating it but. 

899
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Is that not exactly it? 
It's exactly. 

900
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,080
That yeah. 
I can't really explain why, but 

901
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,200
yeah. 
Food was. 

902
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
The whole brand. 
Like food was made out as if it 

903
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,800
was eaten all the time. 
It just sounds like what am I 

904
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,640
on? 
Yeah. 

905
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,840
No, don't. 
You can't explain it. 

906
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,560
You can't. 
Explain it food was like. 

907
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,360
There was something about food 
happening. 

908
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,920
I kind of am really, I actually 
will kind of like one of my red 

909
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,400
flags with people. 
I've noticed this so, so, so 

910
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,880
many times. 
And also it's a huge thing when 

911
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,920
people have an eating disorder 
to become like really 

912
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,600
hyperfixated with food and like 
become like chefs and get really

913
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,760
into food in like a really big 
way. 

914
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,640
And it's like a really, I think 
I notice it in people now when 

915
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,160
people have this kind of really 
specific way of talking about 

916
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,960
food, but then I eat with them 
and they don't eat anything. 

917
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,560
But it's because talking about 
food and being into food in this

918
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,200
way is actually like an outlet 
for the eating disorder. 

919
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,440
It's a really specific trait, 
but every so many people that I 

920
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,040
know that like really, really 
restrict their food have this 

921
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,440
trait of like really indulging 
and talk about food and I just 

922
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,560
can't really be around it. 
I. 

923
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,240
Found it really like confusing 
because when I talk about food, 

924
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,960
I want to talk about food and I 
want to eat the food and like 

925
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,600
the whole thing is a nice thing.
But when it when I'm talking to 

926
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,480
someone about food and go Oh my,
yeah, yeah, blah blah. 

927
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,280
And then it's actually like sort
of a weird fueling thing. 

928
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,160
I really hate it. 
It's really. 

929
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,360
Yeah, it's not, it's not nice 
for anybody involved, I don't 

930
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,400
think. 
No. 

931
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,560
OK, well, that's horrible. 
That's really awful. 

932
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,320
Yeah. 
Sorry, please. 

933
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,560
How are you feeling? 
But kind of like. 

934
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,760
No, I feel I feel I actually 
have fun. 

935
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,160
I my energy is bizarre. 
OK, that's be frank. 

936
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,320
OK. 
All right. 

937
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,240
I'll be frank with you, all 
right. 

938
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,880
And well, thank you for sharing.
No. 

939
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,280
No. 
No, but seriously, thank you for

940
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,440
sharing. 
Never a problem, love. 

941
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,280
Please, please. 
Okay, I don't know if I've 

942
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,600
necessarily feel like following 
that up, but why don't you 

943
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,320
please put? 
Someone else out there? 

944
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,000
I think that might be good. 
No, well, not even let it hang. 

945
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,080
But I just think to me like 
there's so much to draw from 

946
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,600
that. 
And I do think it's kind of and 

947
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,200
again, it feeds back into like, 
if you haven't listened to our 

948
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480
last episode, we were talking 
about like noticing that we've 

949
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,880
been self sabotaging and stuff. 
It's a really amazing episode in

950
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,720
my opinion, and a big theme, the
theme for us right now and. 

951
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,600
Also I think going to be like. 
Going to be a constantly. 

952
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,720
Recurring theme, like we're 
actually on a bit of a. 

953
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Journey, it's happening, yeah, 
that I kind of feel like it's it

954
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,160
has that similar vibe of a kind 
of low level discomfort. 

955
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Yeah. 
And not knowing how to move out 

956
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,840
of it because so much of it is 
not even conscious. 

957
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,760
Yeah. 
And I think like in those subtle

958
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,320
ways where it's like I'm 
spending a lot of time with 

959
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,440
someone who I hadn't really 
noticed, but I guess they've 

960
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,320
brought up what they've eaten 
like 5 times already today and 

961
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,880
it's 11 AM or whatever it's. 
Like I'm going to treat myself. 

962
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,400
To. 
Something or like kind of. 

963
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,880
Just. 
Strange, strange language. 

964
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Yeah, that's just like a subtle 
example of just like it's going 

965
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,800
in as a my bowl of pasta. 
I think that's The thing is not 

966
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,320
knowing how much is going in in 
so many different ways. 

967
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,280
And like this can be for 
anything and not just even 

968
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,600
specifically to like you in that
time, but I just think there is 

969
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,280
so much about sometimes like 
something is off and it's so 

970
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,920
under the surface that almost 
you can't be expected to be able

971
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,960
to identify it right now. 
And even like, looking back on 

972
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,640
what I was saying about that 
relationship with somebody and 

973
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:43,040
like, just understanding it in a
different way now or like just 

974
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,160
adding new kind of bits of 
context to make it make sense. 

975
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,160
Please make it make sense. 
I think if you're feeling really

976
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,360
lost, it might be nice to take 
off any expectation of like 

977
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,600
drawing any conclusions for 
right now. 

978
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,000
And actually, like, I think 
sometimes it is more damaging 

979
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,560
than it's worth trying to find 
the answers than it is to like 

980
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,680
just be a little bit easier on 
yourself because trying to like 

981
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,520
unpack it all and like be the 
smartest, saddest girl in the 

982
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,000
room, it's not helpful. 
You're definitely not going to 

983
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,120
be able to unpack it whilst 
you're in it no more like you 

984
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,160
might know, I think that's also 
the thing there are. 

985
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,960
Clues and hints and whispers of 
valid thought. 

986
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,400
But often the spiral is a 
spiral. 

987
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,800
You have to let it be. 
Yeah. 

988
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,880
And you're not like, of course, 
when you're going through a shit

989
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,680
time, you can be, I can like I 
could probably if I was in that 

990
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,640
time, when I was in that time, I
knew the issues. 

991
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,480
But also they it's sort of they 
sort of manifest is like 

992
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,960
annoyances or Earth that yeah, 
sort of thing. 

993
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,720
It's not like, whoa, OK, that 
sort of way of being was like, 

994
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,160
impacting. 
Yeah. 

995
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,480
Like my mind, like that has to 
come later because you can't see

996
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,320
the impact when you're in it. 
Well, because also these 

997
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,720
negative feelings often bring up
such negative thoughts and it's 

998
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:08,040
easy to believe the thoughts 
rather than to be able to look 

999
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,120
beyond it. 
So for example, being like, I 

1000
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,560
feel shit, look in the room, be 
like, I look like shit. 

1001
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,720
So I have to do something else. 
I have to, I need to fix it. 

1002
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:23,240
I need to not go outside, I need
to not take a photo, whatever. 

1003
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880
And you amend the behavior based
on the thought because you're 

1004
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,880
believing the thought, but it's 
not something to be believed 

1005
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,320
right now. 
Literally little bollocks. 

1006
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,560
Yeah. 
All right. 

1007
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,440
OK, thoughts. 
Great thoughts. 

1008
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,040
Good thoughts. 
Any good thoughts? 

1009
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:46,200
Convincing good thoughts. 
OK, no genuinely good thoughts. 

1010
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Yeah. 
Yeah, I just love where we're at

1011
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,640
with the podcast at the moment. 
Same like I really do. 

1012
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,680
Me too. 
Yeah, OK. 

1013
00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:02,240
But would we say any different? 
No, that really gives me the 

1014
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,440
vibe. 
If there's a scene in Made in 

1015
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Chelsea where this girl's like 
asking Emily is asking Harvey's 

1016
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,840
chiefs on Emily, she's asking 
Harvey's friend, did he, did he 

1017
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,280
cheat on me? 
Did he cheat on me? 

1018
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,240
And they're all going no, no, he
didn't. 

1019
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:16,640
He really didn't. 
We swear. 

1020
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,480
We swear. 
And then at the end of the scene

1021
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,200
she's like, would you guys tell 
me if he did? 

1022
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,400
And they'll go no. 
And he's. 

1023
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,240
Like, Oh my God, it's kind of 
iconic. 

1024
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:28,480
Yeah. 
It's. 

1025
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,840
Literally one of those, it's 
kind of a Game of Thrones scene 

1026
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960
where like it just all the power
shifts that then it's like, 

1027
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,040
yeah. 
Oh. 

1028
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Yeah, you had me convinced and 
that's. 

1029
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,280
Quite cool. 
It's really quite a great scene.

1030
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,640
That's thing you sent me of Made
in Chelsea the other day. 

1031
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,080
I was like. 
Oh my God. 

1032
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,360
OK. 
So please can we just talk about

1033
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,120
that? 
Yeah. 

1034
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,280
I I was I've been watching 
Season 2 made in Chelsea these 

1035
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,400
days like I've gone right back 
to the. 

1036
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,400
Beginning the archives. 
Genuinely and archives are 

1037
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,480
harrowing of this show like. 
Context here, I've never even 

1038
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
seen an episode. 
Well the show has changed so 

1039
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,640
much over the years like but 
season 2 is like a great place 

1040
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,120
to start if you want to really 
get your bearings. 

1041
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Might as well do season 1 if 
you're going to go all the way 

1042
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,360
back to season 2. 
It's they haven't quite found 

1043
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,920
their feet. 
OK, Season 2 I would say like 

1044
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,840
like do season 1 but like. 
I'm not going to. 

1045
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,160
No, don't be clear, but like I 
sent, don't do any of it 

1046
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,040
honestly, like brain rot. 
Anything I need from Made in 

1047
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,120
Chelsea I'll get. 
From you and to be honest, you. 

1048
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,400
Spit like a bird into my mouth 
and you. 

1049
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,280
Honestly, you don't need any of.
Those, yeah. 

1050
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,840
But there was an interesting bit
that I watched last night. 

1051
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,480
I'm not last night. 
I was scrubbing Uranus last 

1052
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,440
night just before. 
Last night in the middle of the 

1053
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:44,040
day, actually. 
I I was like, I just need to get

1054
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,480
as much made in Chelsea into my 
brain before I go and see the 

1055
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,080
public. 
And it was a scene of Jamie Lang

1056
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,480
and he was talking about, I've 
had this idea for a company. 

1057
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,760
It's called Candy Kittens and 
it's the beginning of Candy 

1058
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,880
Kittens and in it could you just
say what you took from it? 

1059
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,120
Right. 
So immediately he says I 

1060
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,720
probably know the whole thing 
off by heart. 

1061
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,320
He goes. 
And I watched it like twice it. 

1062
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Was bad I watched it on my I 
literally was like I need to 

1063
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,640
just rewatch that what's so? 
Bad. 

1064
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,200
So he goes, I mean, if anything,
oh, look, no, that's not even a 

1065
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,960
point. 
I was going to say maybe it's 

1066
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,280
comforting to know that you can 
always shift and rebrand just in

1067
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,920
the way that Jamie Lang has real
branded. 

1068
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,320
But yeah, then it's like, what 
if you're like essentially the 

1069
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,240
heir to the Mcvities throne? 
I get it. 

1070
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,680
Not technically, anyway. 
He basically. 

1071
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,600
He goes on and says that his 
family, I was thinking about 

1072
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,200
that, that he said he's not the 
heir to the Mcvities. 

1073
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,480
His family invented the 
digestive. 

1074
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,960
He's saying his like, like 
there's all this stuff that he 

1075
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,360
goes on about. 
So I think it's really 

1076
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,760
convenient that. 
It's the rebrand. 

1077
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,880
Now says, oh, I'm not the heir, 
but it's like, but I watched 

1078
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,440
you. 
Talk about I'll. 

1079
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,480
Tell you this episode, Jamie, 
you're very much. 

1080
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,360
Yeah. 
Feasting off the being the. 

1081
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Air enemies of the air beware. 
Honestly, King. 

1082
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,320
OK, so in this clip that I've 
only seen through you, I don't 

1083
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
know why I'm doing the quick 
little rundown, but what I got 

1084
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,640
from it, what I got from it was 
him being like, hey guys, 

1085
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,040
there's like three other guys 
with them. 

1086
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,240
Proud look, Hugo, Hugo and 
Spencer. 

1087
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,360
Not my fave gang night blah blah
protection. 

1088
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,640
The Pits. 
Just like it gets from bad to 

1089
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,080
worse to worse to worse to 
worse, just every inch your head

1090
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,240
turns, it just keeps. 
Yeah. 

1091
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,480
You can't believe that it could 
get worse than that. 

1092
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,000
OK, So he's. 
Jamie's saying, guys, you know, 

1093
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,840
heed my words. 
I'm gonna come up with this 

1094
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,080
brand. 
It's really, really cool. 

1095
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,880
Like, trust me, it's gonna be 
called Jamie's Candy Kittens. 

1096
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,720
And the whole thing is gonna be 
basically, like, I want, like, 

1097
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:45,240
these models, like these young 
kind of student, beautiful 

1098
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:47,320
student girls who, like, need a 
job. 

1099
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,200
Yeah, to like calm and like sell
my sweets was quite good, boys. 

1100
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,840
I feel like I'm getting 
somewhere. 

1101
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,600
Thanks Calm. 
And tell my sweet they're like 

1102
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:02,040
you really hot. 
Then basically saying how he's 

1103
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,240
gonna traffic these young 
student girls to what's to 

1104
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,840
selling his sweet brands that he
doesn't need to do. 

1105
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,640
His icon in this situation is 
clearly like Hugh Hefner kind of

1106
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,280
vibes of like, I have a lot of 
candy kittens that they're like 

1107
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,240
my. 
Kittens. 

1108
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,520
Yeah. 
And then I take them to the 

1109
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,560
backroom and the kittens start 
purring. 

1110
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,000
That's the line. 
That's Lucy. 

1111
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,040
I didn't make that happen. 
To the backroom. 

1112
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,040
Then Hugo says what happens in 
the backroom, and he goes. 

1113
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:31,400
The kittens start purring. 
I've lost my appetite, Jamie. 

1114
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,080
Really not anger. 
Anymore when he goes, Oh yeah, I

1115
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,560
want loads of young student 
girls, let's not even talk about

1116
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,440
the fact he wants student girls.
And Hugo goes, well, they're not

1117
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,440
going to be very beautiful. 
They're going to be fat and 

1118
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
rolling around because. 
They've been eating all the 

1119
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,120
candy, kittens, whatever. 
It's crazy. 

1120
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,240
Crazy. 
Like it's crazy. 

1121
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,480
It's actually insane. 
The. 

1122
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Only thing the only way he gets.
It's crazy if anyone else had 

1123
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,520
all of this footage of them 
literally being like the biggest

1124
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,480
piece of shit the planet has 
ever seen and people want. 

1125
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,960
To take a look at Spencer's. 
But the only like he's not you 

1126
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,680
know he's sleeping with one eye 
open at all because he doesn't 

1127
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,760
need to isn't the richest guy on
the planet. 

1128
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
It's. 
Crazy Channel 4 people like me 

1129
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,480
go through. 
They're watching it and they're 

1130
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,880
talking about it. 
On the pipes don't mean niche. 

1131
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Every six months I go through 
these archives like that's crazy

1132
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,600
shit. 
As someone who only really knows

1133
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,200
of Jamie Lang now in this day 
and age, which by the way, like 

1134
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,520
if you don't know who the fuck 
we're talking about, I'm so 

1135
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,320
sorry about this. 
But it's basically like some 

1136
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,080
reality TV star in England who's
also like rich, kind of like 

1137
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,040
English elite sort of guy in. 
The podcasting stuff like. 

1138
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,440
He's, yeah, he's rebranded. 
He's got like a wife and they're

1139
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,960
having a baby, a kid. 
Yeah, and he's kissed our cheeks

1140
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,640
twice each. 
And also Jamie, look, I made top

1141
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,960
Trump's with Jamie on. 
I made with all of them. 

1142
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,440
I made made in Chelsea top 
Trump's. 

1143
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,040
Jamie is hands down best card to
get. 

1144
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,760
He's the highest scorer. 
He's the main character of Made 

1145
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,480
In. 
Chelsea, he is. 

1146
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,640
He is the main. 
Starter. 

1147
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,560
So like look, he's given me 
years and years of entertainment

1148
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,920
since I was actually 14 and 
watched this fucking show. 

1149
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,680
I think I'm just RIP. 
It's had on me. 

1150
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,480
I'm really jealous of him in 
loads of ways, but I think what 

1151
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,720
Trump's it more than anything 
maybe is the awareness of like 

1152
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,960
you can really you fuck up and 
it just means nothing. 

1153
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,720
You'll be fine forever. 
It's actually, do you know what?

1154
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,880
It's actually really it's it's 
it's really crazy. 

1155
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,360
I was watching like the 
episodes. 

1156
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,960
It's really horrific actually, 
when he starts seeing Habs, 

1157
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,720
who's his wife and just that 
like immediate cheating is 

1158
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:39,320
horrific. 
That's just going on. 

1159
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Like it's just really quite 
horrible. 

1160
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,800
I just can't believe I've never 
seen Made in Chelsea. 

1161
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,360
I talk about it every week on a 
podcast. 

1162
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,600
I've never seen this thing. 
I have watched it enough for two

1163
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,880
SO. 
There's enough to go around. 

1164
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,680
All right, look, let's just cut 
this now. 

1165
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,480
It's getting silly. 
We're getting Danny Boyle with 

1166
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,720
it. 
Show some restraint again. 

1167
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,840
All right, just. 
Ruin it right at the end it was 

1168
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,280
almost five stars. 
Then Jimmy it. 

1169
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,000
Was great, then they brought 
Jimmy, then they start Jamie 

1170
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,680
Langan. 
Start doing weird flips. 

1171
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,360
Literally, is that equivalent of
that All right? 

1172
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,280
If you don't hear, if you don't 
hear from us, let's see him the 

1173
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:15,880
worst.