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Kyodo and welcome to Swim Chats,
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I'm Shona Riddell, a writer, 
former journalist and swimmer 

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from Wellington, Al Tierra and 
New Zealand. 

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Show Nights. 
This has been a while in the 

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making, hasn't it? 
I know we've been talking about 

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this fan, just this is exciting.
So I don't normally start by 

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reading something, but I found a
journal entry that I wrote when 

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I first met you because I think 
it was about 3 years ago that I 

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first came to Bob's and I wasn't
really a swimmer then. 

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Like I just started learning how
to swim properly, freestyle, and

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so this was my first time coming
to Freiburg Beach and swimming 

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in the sea there. 
And so I was a little bit 

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nervous. 
And you were there. 

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So this is what I wrote three 
years ago. 

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I said most people swam. 
Well, I decided to swim out to 

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the first boy, but I was worried
about getting too cold or that 

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I'd have trouble getting back. 
Luckily there was a very nice 

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Welshman on the water who stayed
with me and encouraged me to 

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relax and take my time. 
We swam together, and when I 

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said I was ready to turn back, 
we turned back. 

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A rainbow appeared over the 
city. 

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It was an amazing way to see 
Wellington, with the ocean all 

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around me and with the 
skyscrapers lit up by the early 

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morning sun. 
We even did a few hand stands on

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the water at the end. 
Afterwards, a group of us sat 

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together and had coffee, and I 
felt amazing. 

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So thank you for swimming with 
me. 

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Yeah, I thought you'd like. 
That it's nice to hear that you 

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do sort of affect Pinkle. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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Like you're always really good 
with the new people, I think, 

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and you're quite gentle and 
encouraging. 

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And I think if I hadn't met you 
that day, I might have thought, 

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OK, this is too hard for me and 
I might not have gone back. 

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I don't, I don't know. 
But that certainly encouraged 

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me. 
Yeah. 

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So thank you. 
That's OK. 

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That's OK. 
It's, it's, it's a passion of 

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mine. 
It really is. 

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Especially even for, you know, 
new people, especially for new 

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people to be honest with. 
You you were saying before that 

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you like meeting new people and 
so. 

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I like meeting new people, but I
want to give them what I feel in

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the water, you know? 
Because to be honest with you, 

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most of them can swim, swim 
well, so it's not a problem. 

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You know, like Namada, great 
swimmer, but she just needed 

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that time to get comfortable 
with the water. 

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And I loved swimming with 
Namada. 

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Yeah, you know, because she is 
such a gentle soul. 

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She is, yeah. 
You know, so, yeah. 

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So they just need that time to 
realise that there's nothing 

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there that's going to do 
anything to them. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Do you know what? 

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It's a mind game. 
Just get more confident. 

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It is such a mind game. 
Yeah, you're right. 

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I was teaching, not teaching. 
There's a young lad at the 

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hospital at the moment, was all 
the way from Sri Lanka and I've 

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been taking him swimming and the
the first thing I ever do with a

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lot with, with especially with 
him because he says he can swim 

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but he can't, is float. 
Because if you float, you're 

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relaxed, and if you relax, you 
can do most things, you know? 

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Yeah, it's all right. 
I'm, I feel like I'm still 

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learning that, that, you know, 
the more relaxed you are, the 

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more you breathe out, the better
everything becomes in the water.

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Yeah, it's like when I'm 
swimming now. 

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I love to sing, sing, sing in 
the water. 

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Yeah. 
You know, think of the song and 

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then you sing it, you know? 
Yeah. 

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You know, just two things. 
It keeps you in time. 

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You want to be in time. 
And also it's good for your 

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soul. 
Yeah. 

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You know, So what when you say 
you're singing like you're 

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swimming and you're singing? 
Swimming and singing at the same

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time. 
So what would be an example of a

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song that you like to? 
What sort of music do you like? 

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Like most of The Beatles song 
Supertramp, especially from the 

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Breakfast in America sort of 
thing. 

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Yeah, Cat Stevens, but once. 
I'll never do this again. 

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For some reason. 
I was singing the theme from 

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Jaws. 
Oh my. 

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God, why you just had I? 
Don't know why and. 

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And how did that make you feel? 
Oh, I was feeling great, closely

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in front of me. 
So I was swimming along, you 

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know, hands going everywhere 
sort of thing. 

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Yeah. 
And what's the name? 

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The French. 
The French girl from swimming. 

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Of course. 
I. 

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Know who you mean? 
Cat Florence Florence Florence I

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won't go and do Lally. 
So I was swimming along and this

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is How I Met Florence. 
Basically A tapped her on the 

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foot while singing. 
And her reaction was leaping 

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Tim. 
I got a slap. 

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I can't say totally blank. 
Oh, no, absolutely not at all. 

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You know it was. 
Probably just a reflex. 

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Right, of course it was. 
And I apologised. 

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And then we had the coffee and 
then best friends. 

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Best friends, right? 
You know? 

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Yeah, but it's not. 
Always the best once she 

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realised you weren't actually a 
shark. 

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That's so funny, yeah. 
And sometimes when I'm out 

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there, oh, I think I'm Have you 
ever had a guy called Shaq 

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Rustock? 
Yes. 

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I love being Shaq Rustock in the
water world. 

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Yeah, you know, yeah, pretending
to be him. 

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Pretending to be him. 
Yeah. 

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It's, it's honestly, it tests my
playground, you know, it's the 

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only place where I can do three 
60s somersaults. 

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Everything. 
Yeah. 

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Handstands. 
Handstands. 

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And not hurt myself. 
Yeah. 

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And you keep it fun that way 
because you also encourage other

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people to do those things like 
jumping off the pontoon and hand

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stands and. 
That there's some reason to my 

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madness as well. 
Yeah. 

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I find that if you can get 
somebody to jump off without 

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forcing them to get jump off 
something, wow, they're 

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confident level, wow, go sky 
high because they think they're 

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like, oh, that wasn't as bad as 
I thought. 

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Yeah, you know, so same with 
hand stands. 

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The reason why I started doing 
hand stands, especially with 

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some people, because they they 
were too scared to put their 

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head under the water. 
Yeah, but you say Alice has some

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hand stands. 
Yeah, they they stop over 

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thinking. 
That's right. 

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Yeah. 
Just put your head in the water.

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Yeah, and so I remember swimming
with you quite a few times, 

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especially at the beginning when
I was getting more confident. 

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And there are a lot of days when
it's choppy at the beach because

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we're in windy Wellington and 
there's the northerly coming in 

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and you're you're pretty 
comfortable swimming in the 

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chop. 
Absolutely. 

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And so sometimes I still hear 
your voice and I hear it's like 

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Obi Wan, can obese say, you 
know, just feel the rhythm. 

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Feel the rhythm. 
Yeah, just. 

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The rhythm, Relax. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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And we were just talking about 
before we recorded about you 

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growing up in Wales and your 
uncle. 

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Do you want to talk about that? 
OK, yes, So my Uncle Tommy, I 

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loved my Uncle Tommy. 
He was an amazing man. 

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He was in the Navy during the 
Second World War, and he made 

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sure that all his nephews and 
nieces could swim. 

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And we're talking police 20 to 
30 of us. 

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Yes, it's a big. 
That's a big fence. 

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We bleed like rabbits, honestly 
do. 

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So we used to go to a beach 
called Dina Stinchler and we 

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call, I don't think you'd call 
it a beach in New Zealand. 

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It's mostly rocks and very 
choppy. 

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And it was the Irish Sea 
basically, you know? 

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What would the water temperature
be there? 

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I'm always curious about that. 
Do you know as a kid? 

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I guess you wouldn't care at. 
That you don't care, it's just 

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in the water and you're enjoying
yourself, you know, and you swim

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between the jellyfish. 
Are they friendly jellyfish? 

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No, they're like the lions. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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He just had to be very careful 
and he couldn't just jump in and

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he'd be stung. 
Yeah. 

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So he made sure we go across 
from because he lost a lot of 

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friends in the war from 
drowning. 

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So we were taught to swim 
between the waves. 

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And as you said before, I think 
maybe because it's been 

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ingrained. 
It's a muscle memory. 

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That's why I love the waves. 
I love choppiness. 

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You just know what to do, I. 
Just float. 

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I am a competitive floater. 
I am. 

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I enjoy the floating paddle. 
And you know, as you say, well, 

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sometimes you get to the private
beach, you stand there and you 

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look out and you go, oh, that's 
rough. 

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And you go, OK, it's playing. 
This is for playing in, Yeah. 

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I don't have to go far. 
I don't have to do anything 

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else. 
But I have to play now, yeah. 

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And that's what I love doing. 
And am I right in thinking that 

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you don't wear goggles? 
Don't make goggles. 

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Which is unusual, isn't it? 
I'm one of these weird people. 

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I started off swimming with a 
wet suit. 

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Booties, the best underneath my 
wet suit, gloves, 2 hats, 

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goggles, the works. 
Slowly it's just disappeared. 

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Because I've realised you don't 
need any of that, You really 

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don't need any of that. 
And because I am quite a big lad

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too, I'm probably more insulated
than a lot of people out there, 

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you know. 
But then I see a lot of mostly 

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ladies just got their tongues on
and they're not big and they're 

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out there swimming doing exactly
the same thing, and now I was to

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tear my hat off to them sort of 
thing. 

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Yeah, people seem to acclimatise
to it. 

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Don't know they got used to it. 
That's what that's what happens 

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and that's what I did, you know,
over time. 

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Also, I saw a photo of myself 
once many years ago in the wet 

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suit and they looked like an 
orange with two sticks coming at

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him. 
Don't you find the salt water 

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stings your eyes though? 
Without the goggles or you. 

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No, no. 
Well, it probably does because I

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have realised when I come out of
the water I've got extremely red

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eyes, right, You know, And I 
look like the devil. 

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But now, now I, I look under the
water. 

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I, as she said, it's probably a 
climatation. 

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I have acclimatised to it more 
than anything else. 

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Yeah. 
So all I need now is my tox. 

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Sometimes not. 
Yeah, togs and earplugs. 

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Earplugs right I. 
Can't swim without earplugs and 

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I carry earplugs with me 
everywhere. 

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Is that for motion sickness or? 
No, no swimmer sears. 

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So basically if I get water in 
the ear it stays there and it's 

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it takes ages to get out and 
it's very painful. 

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Yeah, and that's meant to be bad
for your eardrums. 

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Isn't it? 
Yeah. 

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So I've got brilliant. 
We've got earplugs now. 

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I've finally found the right 
ones after going through 

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hundreds and hundreds. 
Of do you know what brand they 

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are? 
Aliexpress. 

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Oh, yeah, I can show you because
I carry them. 

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Every key ring I have has them. 
I mean, I know, I know. 

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You're not going to see them on 
that, no. 

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That's right. 
I can describe it. 

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So it's like a little twist tube
this. 

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Is what I put them in. 
Yeah, I see carrying them on 

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your key rings a good idea. 
Oh, absolutely. 

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Always have them. 
Yeah, and they're plastic. 

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Yeah, you. 
Know, as I said, this is the 

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only thing I need for swimming. 
Yeah, I mean, if you've got 

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underwear on, you've got your 
tox. 

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Yeah, so you can swim anywhere 
as long as I've got. 

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This. 
Yeah. 

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So you're about as connected to 
the water as you can be. 

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No swim, no swim, Cap. 
No swim cap. 

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No. 
Well, sorry, I do on Sunday 

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because I think it makes barbs 
feel better. 

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Yeah. 
And to be fair, when you're 

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swimming with a lot of people 
and there could be canoes and 

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stuff around, having a swimming 
cap is a good thing. 

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And it's a yellow one, yeah, So 
that people can see you. 

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Bob has her own episode on this 
podcast. 

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How long have you been swimming 
with her? 

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Bob is my lightsaber. 
She really is. 

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Gosh, I've been up with this. 
She is, lack of a better word, 

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bloody marvellous. 
Yeah, she is. 

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I've known her now for probably 
easily 18 years, 18 years. 

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And when I start with Babs, I 
would swim on a Monday because 

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that's all I could afford at the
time. 

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And I always remember telling me
just turn up, don't worry about 

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the money. 
And because she has the same 

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passion for people coming and 
doing. 

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It she does, yeah. 
And she's a great instructor. 

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You know, you just got to 
listen. 

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And sometimes I don't listen 
very well and. 

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Then do you get told off? 
Oh have I've been told off so 

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many times because actually very
well now at the moment I'm in 

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the slowest lane possible. 
If they had a slower lane, I'd 

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be in that. 
But being in that lane with the 

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chap called Alex and Alex and 
myself, well, they tend to have 

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a lot of fun in that place. 
Yeah, you know, but with plays 

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and maybe sometimes tumor. 
So you're in the pool and the 

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sea and the sea, Yeah. 
Do you like being in the pool, 

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you say? 
Yeah, not really. 

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So it's more about the practice.
Pool gives you the ability to be

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comfortable in the sea. 
The pool pushes you more. 

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Like in the pool, I know I have 
to do 20 lengths or 40 lengths, 

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and I know I've got to do it in 
a certain time, which builds up 

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your stamina. 
In the sea. 

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I know I'm going to get to a 
certain point. 

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How long it takes me to get to 
that point, I'm not worried. 

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You know, I could sort of go 
halfway. 

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So for a bit, look up into the 
sky and go, oh, that cloud looks

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interesting. 
It's more open-ended, doesn't 

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it? 
And you have a little adventure 

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each time, no matter what. 
It's always an adventure. 

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Yeah, it's always an adventure. 
It's always different. 

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I remember you describing it as 
a bit like your Prozac. 

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It's amazing. 
It just isn't there. 

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It just does something. 
It rejuvenates the soul I would 

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say. 
Yeah, that's a nice way to put 

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it. 
It does. 

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It just isn't like you sort of 
can during the day, during the 

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week, work, do everything and 
then all of a sudden on Sunday 

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you go for a swim. 
Even during summer the bit ever 

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arrived. 
I love taking Ruby in the water.

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Yeah, Ruby's your dog. 
So we call them the retriever. 

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We'll be last up there and she 
enjoys swimming and she's very 

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competitive. 
She's very. 

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How far can she go? 
We've done 2 kilometres. 

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To the turn boy. 
Yeah, basically, yeah. 

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And to get her competitive, all 
you got to say is on your Max, 

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get set, go and she's off. 
And sometimes she's she plays 

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with my mind. 
She let me go forward a bit and 

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then she just overtakes. 
It's pretty humbling, isn't it? 

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Yeah, yeah, she's a shocker. 
She's a shocker. 

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But so I love swimming with the 
dog as well. 

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And to get Laura into the water,
we've bought a kayak, just a one

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person kayak. 
So sometimes she comes as well 

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and we just battle. 
Yeah, that's really not. 

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That's a good idea. 
It is it is makes it a family 

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event. 
They could bring snacks and 

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water and all sorts. 
Now you talk little rewards. 

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Now you talk. 
Yeah, I know over the 20 odd 

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years you've been with Bob, you 
would have seen a lot of people 

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come and go and come and stay, 
like a lot of people stay. 

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And I remember you saying to me 
that you've seen so many people.

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You know, they start with short 
swims and then they start 

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getting more confident and then 
they start getting a little bit 

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more obsessed along with that 
and saying, you know, I've got 

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to get to this point. 
I've got to get to the 

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lighthouse and then but sort of 
forgetting how to have fun. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I think, do you know what I 

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think that's happened to me and 
what? 

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Yeah, I was going to ask that. 
I think that's. 

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I can't visit all of. 
Us what you think? 

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Oh, I want to you know. 
Yeah, you set goals. 

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You. 
Set goals and you become not 

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super competitive, but you 
become competitive with 

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yourself, thinking, confident at
that time. 

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I'm sure I could do it a bit 
faster, you know? 

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And I've been there and I've 
done that. 

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And it's, I think like with life
in general, it's a phase you go 

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through, you know, and I've come
out of that phase thinking, do 

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you know what? 
I'm enjoying myself now. 

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Yeah, you know, Yeah, because I 
sometimes, when I swim with most

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people, really most people will 
swim faster than me. 

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But I'm OK with that. 
I'm. 

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Not going to. 
You're doing your iron. 

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Swimming. 
I have, really. 

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Unless I've been specifically 
asked to swim with somebody, 

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then I will stay. 
I won't go too fast and I won't 

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go too slow. 
I try and you'd. 

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Stick with them, absolutely 
you're very good at. 

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That absolutely, yeah, because I
couldn't think of anything worse

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for somebody and being nervous 
in the water. 

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And being alone, I have had that
experience, yeah. 

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Being alone, it's not fun. 
It's. 

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Not when you're in the wrong 
head space. 

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It's not fun. 
Absolutely and and it's things 

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can change quickly you. 
Know they can. 

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Yeah, even I have been in that 
wrong head space a couple of 

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times in the 20 plus years where
I've been swimming and all of a 

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sudden I think I've got a bit 
too cold and my imagination sort

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of takes away and sometimes a 
bit of panic comes in, you know?

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What do you do if you feel 
you're starting to panic? 

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It's only once, but I think it's
got bad and thank God, I've 

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just, you know, with especially 
with Freiburg, you swim out, but

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you're always close to the 
beach. 

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You're always close to the 
beach. 

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And no matter what, if I, if I 
ever get to that, that's 

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something happened once that I 
can think of, I just run to the 

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beach. 
I just walked back because I 

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had, I could swim to the beach 
was only a couple of about 100 

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metres tops, you know, and I 
probably had the four sides to 

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think I could do that. 
And I did that. 

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I was cold basically, and I was 
being a bit stupid. 

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I say that bit too long. 
It's good that you had the 

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presence of mind to get out. 
Absolutely. 

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I don't know if I would be smart
enough to. 

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Do that. 
Just just you know, I do know my

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limits. 
You. 

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Know, and as I, as I got older, 
the limits are getting shorter 

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and I think it's like those 
stupid little things like when 

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we go for a coffee, you know, 
that little ledge where people 

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sit. 
I mean, wasn't that long ago I 

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would just go jump off there and
go, hey, you know, Taco. 

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But now I think, oh, what am I 
going to do is if I jump off 

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there, I might just walk around.
Yeah. 

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Well, it's good that you can 
anticipate that. 

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Yeah, I think I'm getting old. 
I think I'm growing up. 

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Growing up, well, I guess it 
happens to everyone at some 

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point. 
I know, I know. 

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It's terrible, isn't it? 
So when you were sort of a more 

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competitive swimmer or swimming 
further, like how far were you 

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going and were you doing the 
events around the country? 

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Yes, yes, I was. 
I did a lot of the ocean, some 

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events, loved all of them 
basically. 

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And from what's in it, what's 
the one near Christchurch to the

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Acurora did that one. 
Loved that one. 

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The one way, way up north. 
That was a fantastic one. 

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And then the Auckland one couple
of times that they have a bridge

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ones. 
The Auckland 1 was a very 

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interesting one. 
When I'm in the water, I can 

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actually have quite a strong, 
strong. 

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It can be quite strong. 
Maybe not so much that, but it 

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used to be quite strong, not 
fast, but strong. 

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And I'm talking to a guy and he 
said to me, OK, when you're 

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crossing the harbour, see that 
building over there? 

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Aim for that building because 
the the tide will compensate for

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it. 
You'll end up in the correct 

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place. 
Thank you, mate. 

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So I've got in the water aimed 
for that building and for some 

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reason I aimed for that 
building. 

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No matter what. 
I was thinking God must be doing

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reasonably well here because 
there's nobody around here. 

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And all of a sudden there was 
like a tap on my shoulder. 

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There's a chap in the kayak 
saying everybody else has gone 

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that way and I looked Oakley the
wrong way. 

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Oh, you won't. 
You're not the first. 

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You won't be the last. 
I was when I did the Blue Lakes 

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one couple of years ago. 
And I was swimming. 

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I mean, it's only in a circle, 
but it's not even a large. 

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But, you know, I still managed 
to go, of course. 

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And someone was yelling at me in
a kayak and I thought, oh, it's 

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so nice. 
They're cheering me on, you 

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know, they're supporting me. 
And they were like, no, you're 

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going the wrong way. 
So embarrassing. 

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I did the swim a couple of weeks
ago in New Plymouth, the 

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Ferguson Cup. 
What's that? 

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It's well, what is it? 
It's been going forward 120 

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years, 110 years, sorry. 
And it's a sea swim that they 

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have every year and they've got 
3.6 and a 1.2 K course. 

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And so basically it's again, 
it's a circle. 

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So you swim and I and my 
daughter entered both of herself

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and myself into the thing and I 
said, yeah, I'll do the 1.2. 

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And so that was OK and she did 
the 3.6. 

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So we got there and entered the 
water. 

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Everybody enters the water 
together. 

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So got there, started swimming 
on usual pace, enjoying myself 

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basically. 
And again I thought, oh, I must 

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be doing wisdomly well. 
Oh, there's a guy, there's 

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finally there's somebody behind 
me and I looked at him and go oh

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far. 
Yeah, he's not too bad. 

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At that point I realised I was 
being lapped. 

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Oh yeah. 
On the way in, I did my 

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handstand in the woods. 
Nice. 

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Because that's what I enjoy. 
Yeah, that's part of your 

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routine. 
And I was there. 

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I was there to enjoy my son. 
Yeah. 

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And yeah. 
All these things are character 

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building as well, aren't they? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah, you get to a point in life
where you've got to be happy 

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with who you are because there's
not a lot you're going to change

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about yourself. 
Yeah, at a certain age. 

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And you've got to be able to 
laugh at yourself sometimes. 

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It's like when you're carried 
along by a strong current and 

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you think, wow, I'm an amazing 
swimmer. 

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I'm so fast. 
And then you have to turn around

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and come back. 
So why aren't I ain't going 

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anywhere? 
I'm standing still, yeah. 

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Exactly. 
I've done that, yeah. 

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Now you do have to be. 
It took me a while to be 

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comfortable in my own skin, to 
be honest with you. 

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Yeah, out there. 
You know where you get to a 

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point here. 
Where's your favorite place to 

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swim? 
OK, it's a tricky question. 

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It's it's a tricky question in 
in the sense because it's 

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something I used to love doing 
in the morning. 

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I used to leave here, cycle to 
the end of the Myanmar peninsula

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where the little Lion's House 
thing is turn down towards 

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Scorching Bay. 
At Scorching Bay, I packed the 

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00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,680
bunnock and I'd swim out to the 
boy there and back again. 

451
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,920
And because of when I was 
swimming out there, you'd get 

452
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,080
the sunrise and there's nobody 
around normally. 

453
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Normally there was once and for 
some reason it's a beautiful 

454
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,480
bait set off it, but it was my 
it was my special time of the 

455
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,680
day, you know, and you'd get 
back in the bike so we can wet 

456
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,080
and that's come back through the
seats and turn out straight 

457
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,840
through the subway and home, 
which only took about another 10

458
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,960
to 15 minutes now. 
Yeah. 

459
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840
And because of that, that was my
favorite place. 

460
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,680
Yeah. 
Such a great way to start the 

461
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,720
day. 
It's an amazing way to start the

462
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,280
day. 
We bumped into each other a few 

463
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,120
weeks ago. 
Then the boy, Yeah. 

464
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,120
I'll stay up with that list. 
Yeah, and I'll stay with toy. 

465
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,920
Yeah, now toy's amazing. 
Yeah, she is. 

466
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,840
She also has her own episode. 
She was one of the the first 

467
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,160
people I talked to. 
Yeah, she's lovely. 

468
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,160
She is. 
Everybody there's bloody 

469
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,880
amazing. 
That's right, everybody's 

470
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,120
interesting. 
The guy that I don't know, I'm 

471
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,640
supposed to say this now. 
The guy that I think I would 

472
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,760
take my hat off to in all the 
years I've been there. 

473
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,320
Adrian Parker, are you? 
Yeah. 

474
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,600
He has been an inspiration, that
lad. 

475
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,960
Yeah, you know. 
He'd be happy to hear that. 

476
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,320
He really has, and he probably, 
I probably haven't told them, 

477
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,400
really. 
He might. 

478
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,320
He might listen to us, yeah. 
I should really tell him, 

479
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,400
shouldn't? 
I you should, yeah. 

480
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,760
Like I keep telling people and 
we went to see the John Clark 

481
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,400
documentary This is I'm not I 
can't wore a score now, but we 

482
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,440
went to see it last weekend and 
John Clark, amazing satirist, 

483
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,960
bloody amazing. 
But one thing he said, you need 

484
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,560
to tell people. 
What they mean to you? 

485
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600
What they mean to you and well, 
they've done well. 

486
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,200
Yeah, yeah, because sometimes 
you assume that people know, but

487
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,320
they don't always they don't, 
and it's always nice to hear. 

488
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,560
Because because my go to is not.
Yeah, I think that's the case 

489
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,720
for most people. 
You know, we're just busy living

490
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,720
our day-to-day lives, right? 
Not reflecting, but So what did 

491
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,640
Adrian do that inspired you? 
It's just the way he is with 

492
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,200
everybody else. 
He is like blue, you know, he 

493
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,440
never, you never seem angry, 
never seem out of the water. 

494
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,920
And the water, he's so 
competitive. 

495
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:19,400
He's a different person. 
But out of the water, he's one 

496
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,560
of the most amazing people, to 
be honest with you, because just

497
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:29,640
the way he is and the way he 
sort of his outlook on life, you

498
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,600
know he can. 
But even when things got bad for

499
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,080
him, I've never heard him really
be nasty, if you know what I 

500
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,840
mean. 
And I think that's the it's, 

501
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,800
it's like a mentors meant. 
I don't know if I think we're 

502
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,680
about the same age, but your 
mentors can always be. 

503
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,600
The inconvenient age. 
That's right, yeah. 

504
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,440
You know, so yeah, he's been 
quite the lad. 

505
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280
Yeah, that's awesome. 
I know he's been swimming for a 

506
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,680
long time. 
Yeah, he's a big part of the 

507
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,360
community. 
He really is, isn't it? 

508
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,960
Yeah, he really is. 
Yeah. 

509
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
I should mention that we're at 
your house that you've people 

510
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,640
can't see, but you've kindly 
invited me here. 

511
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,200
I think this is my this is 
definitely my first podcast 

512
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,760
interview at someone's house. 
Oh, OK. 

513
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,680
So thank you. 
And your wife, Laura has baked 

514
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040
us some Raspberry and white 
chocolate muffins. 

515
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,320
Yes, they're delicious. 
I'm trying not to eat and talk 

516
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:23,840
at the same. 
Time. 

517
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,640
Oh, sorry. 
No, no, no, I, no, no. 

518
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,720
You're all good. 
You're all good. 

519
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,720
I've had, I've had some and I'll
have some on when we're done as 

520
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,120
well. 
But yeah, and your dog is asleep

521
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,280
behind you. 
Yeah, I won't be taking her 

522
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,800
swimming for a while. 
That's a bit of a new set as a 

523
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,360
but the sewage thing too. 
I know, Is that? 

524
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,000
Yeah, it's hard to know what to 
say about that, apart from just 

525
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,360
how awful it is. 
It is. 

526
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,960
Yeah. 
So, yeah, we've had the 

527
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,120
treatment plant overflow on the 
South Coast and that's been 

528
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,400
going on for several weeks now. 
And we don't know what's going 

529
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,320
to happen with that, but it's 
affecting a lot of people, 

530
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280
especially people on the South 
Coast, especially the marine 

531
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,320
life. 
Because it was quite funny a 

532
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,520
while ago when I was training 
for the New Plymouth thing and I

533
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,840
wasn't aware there'd been a 
problem. 

534
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,640
But I don't really watch the 
news and stuff anymore or or 

535
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,560
really listen to the radio being
quite, I don't know whatever 

536
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,080
coming to be honest with you. 
And I decided to go for a swim 

537
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,960
and it was just me. 
So I went to Seaton. 

538
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,200
So I thought Seaton would be 
quite nice. 

539
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,000
And I started swimming in Seaton
and had a nice time sort of in 

540
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,760
the water for about maybe half 
an hour. 

541
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Come out and a trap pulled up. 
There's a guy in a hazmat outfit

542
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,720
and eat. 
This. 

543
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Oh my God, you must have thought
you'd wandered into a sci-fi. 

544
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Movement with a long stick and 
the bottle. 

545
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Oh gosh. 
And he was taking samples of the

546
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,440
water. 
That's a good. 

547
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Water. 
I mean, I might have peed in 

548
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,120
there, but. 
Doesn't call for this level of 

549
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
don't he speak to you or did you
just kind of put two and two 

550
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,720
together by? 
Just put two and two together by

551
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,200
then, right? 
Did you have a good shower? 

552
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480
I did. 
I came home and I had a good 

553
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,200
wash sort of stuff and I didn't 
feel ill or anything good. 

554
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,680
I think. 
I mean, yeah, this will take a 

555
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,080
lot to make me go and more what 
you call accident prone, 

556
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,720
sickness prone. 
Before we started recording, you

557
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,400
talked about how you've been 
swimming with some new people at

558
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,960
Private Fish. 
Do you want to talk about them a

559
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320
little bit? 
I mean the thing, I guess I 

560
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,240
would love to talk about them. 
The thing about swimming, 

561
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,920
everything evolves. 
You know, you turn up on a 

562
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,920
Sunday and you normally do the 
same thing, talk to the same 

563
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
people and you're often you have
a lot of fun. 

564
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,520
But a while ago I bumped into 
some new people down there, 

565
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,680
started talking to them and 
they're amazing. 

566
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,480
They really are amazing. 
Every Sunday they have a 

567
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Karakiya out on the pontoon and 
had an invitation to join them. 

568
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,280
And ever since I love going out 
there and it's a chap called 

569
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:20,160
Rain sort of leads it and it's 
another aspect of the swimming. 

570
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,240
It's nice you know something 
special about it. 

571
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,320
Yeah. 
Something really special. 

572
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,760
It's really cool. 
So catechia is a Maori prayer, 

573
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,040
It's Maori prayer. 
And is it sort of a prayer to 

574
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,240
the water? 
No, I think it's to God. 

575
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Just. 
Thanking, just thanking God. 

576
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Just taking a moment to thank. 
Just thanking God for, you know,

577
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760
everything. 
That's all the blessings, yeah. 

578
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,640
In our lives sort of stuff, 
Yeah. 

579
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,960
So that's been absolutely and 
and thanking for the water. 

580
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Yes, yeah, yeah. 
That's awesome. 

581
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,040
That's us and that's sort of 
sort of been to another aspect 

582
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,760
of it. 
And I've got to and had an 

583
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,160
invitation to their they did a 
special, it's not a change 

584
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,640
service, but they did a concert.
They part of a bigger group and 

585
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,880
I had an invitation to their 
just before Christmas and that 

586
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,720
was so amazing, so amazing. 
You know the the things they put

587
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,600
on and they put on a a supper as
well. 

588
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,880
That was nice. 
It's cool when swim friendships 

589
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,800
develop and sort of take you out
of the water as well, you know, 

590
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,440
like they continue on land. 
Oh. 

591
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Absolutely, absolutely. 
I am a firm believer. 

592
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,000
I don't know if you've noticed, 
but I'm just thinking about it 

593
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,720
right now. 
If I'm doing a handstand and 

594
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,960
this room of swimming handstand,
if there's somebody standing 

595
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,120
nearby that I don't know, I will
give them an invitation to come 

596
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,680
and join us. 
Yeah, yeah. 

597
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,760
You know, that's really good. 
Yeah, so. 

598
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560
We were doing hand stands a 
couple of weeks ago and you 

599
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,640
encouraged us to sort of flip 
over at the end of the 

600
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,760
handstand, yeah. 
Yes, yeah, that's an amazing 

601
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,440
feeling. 
It is an amazing feeling. 

602
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,560
It is an amazing feeling 
because. 

603
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Again, it's not something I 
would do very well on land 

604
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,240
without hurting myself, but 
yeah, it's something you can 

605
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,320
easily do in the water. 
You always find new ways of 

606
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,680
playing, I think. 
Yeah, you know, like swimming 

607
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,560
underneath the pontoons. 
Oh, I haven't done that. 

608
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,840
Try it. 
Oh, you know, try it. 

609
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Yeah. 
You know, there's a lot of stuff

610
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,200
to do, you know? 
Yeah, I don't touch the bottoms,

611
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,240
but even, I don't know, you get 
a group of you and you'll stand 

612
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,160
in a row, get legs wide open and
somebody swims underneath. 

613
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Yeah. 
And you transform underneath 

614
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,800
with that. 
A chimp. 

615
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Yeah, try that. 
OK, try that. 

616
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,960
She knew things to try. 
I tend to sort of. 

617
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,160
What advice would you give to 
somebody who sort of wants to 

618
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,160
get in the in the open water, 
but they're too nervous or not 

619
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,800
sure? 
Wait, I'm, I'm doing that at the

620
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,720
moment with this guy from Sri 
Lanka. 

621
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,880
Are you doing that at Fryeburg 
Bay? 

622
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,120
Now I've been doing it at Seton 
kind of stuff and and at Ann 

623
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Worcester Bay. 
My advice is like advice to him 

624
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,159
has been a lot of people know 
this, a lot of people know this.

625
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,880
It's just to stand there and 
float. 

626
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,159
You know, if she can stand there
and float for a bit and then 

627
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,920
maybe do hand stands and stuff. 
Don't try and swim anywhere. 

628
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,800
Just get used to the water. 
It's a, it's an amazing feeling.

629
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Or if you can swim somewhere, 
jump off something, you know and

630
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,520
swim back as per Friday is 
brilliant. 

631
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,040
You know, you can actually jump 
off something. 

632
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,400
You've got some swimming skills,
you can swim back and it's not 

633
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,120
too far and that will give you a
lot of confidence because with 

634
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,360
new swimmers, it's mostly the 
confidence you have to build up 

635
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,640
really, you know, and, and. 
And even that, even just going 

636
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,240
to that pontoon, which is what, 
50 meters, I'm sure that's a big

637
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,480
thing for some people because 
you're out of your depth, right?

638
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,400
And this, as I said, this guy 
from Sri Lanka, we're in the 

639
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,840
process of getting him to jump 
off the Wharf, but I'm going to 

640
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,640
have to get him a life jacket, 
even though I know he can do it.

641
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,960
He is fiercing. 
He's fiercing. 

642
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,440
So one around there is gradually
build it up. 

643
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,160
So get him the life jacket. 
He'll jump off a few times where

644
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,200
especially seats are wolf. 
That's my local wolf. 

645
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,320
Yeah, jump off a few times, then
he'll he'll feel comfortable. 

646
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,720
He'll feel comfortable. 
Then all of a sudden they say, 

647
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,600
come on, let's just try one. 
I'll do one first try one that 

648
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,400
like jacket and see where it 
goes and he'll do that. 

649
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,720
Yeah, that's a good idea to have
a step. 

650
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,720
Of confidence, yeah, yeah, 
never. 

651
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,720
You know, like there's been a 
few people I've seen, there's 

652
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,160
been newsomers, they forced them
to do something and you don't 

653
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,760
see them again. 
Yeah, it can't push people too 

654
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,920
hard. 
No, not with that you can't. 

655
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,680
Yeah, some, some things you can,
don't get me wrong. 

656
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,520
But with that. 
It's yeah, because then they 

657
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,800
associate the water with stress 
and yeah. 

658
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Most of the people I work with 
from either India or and China 

659
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,200
and honestly the water to them 
can be scary even though they 

660
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,640
are from the coast, around the 
coast, Kerala, Kerala, which is 

661
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,120
the coast, West Coast of India, 
they're surrounded with water. 

662
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:47,560
But it scares them, you know, 
because something's happened and

663
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,280
a lot of people have had, a few 
people I've spoken to have had 

664
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,720
near drowning experiences and 
that will put you off. 

665
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,320
Yeah, of course. 
Yeah, makes sense, doesn't it? 

666
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Absolutely, yeah. 
And even feel. 

667
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,360
The danger? 
Oh. 

668
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Absolutely. 
And so if you can get people to 

669
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,320
float, yeah, and even sometimes 
they're floating out of my hand 

670
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,440
underneath their back, just as 
extra support because there's, 

671
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,880
there's a lot of power in touch.
There is, yeah. 

672
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,720
There's a lot of power in touch 
and people don't realise that, 

673
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,760
you know, So you know, you 
should just hold them and then 

674
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,440
they will and then slowly move 
your hand. 

675
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,640
But I'm doing all this, I know 
this. 

676
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Are you going to say that? 
That's all right. 

677
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,560
Slowly move your. 
Hands. 

678
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,360
Brynn is demonstrating putting 
his hand under someone's back. 

679
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,120
But yeah, that's right, you're 
describing it and. 

680
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,440
And slowly move your hands away.
And yeah, once they start 

681
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,200
floating, they're more than 
halfway there. 

682
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,640
Yeah, they have. 
They feel they have control. 

683
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,520
It's a big part of it. 
Isn't it? 

684
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,760
And I'm a firm believer in, you 
know, if you're new to swimming 

685
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,440
and ocean swimming, wear the wet
suits, wear the stuff that gives

686
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
you buoyancy, wear the stuff 
that makes you feel comfortable.

687
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,560
Don't care, just do it, you 
know? 

688
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,120
That's right. 
You've got to wear what makes 

689
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,400
you feel, you know. 
I'm personally not comfortable 

690
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,560
with one of those toy boys. 
That's right. 

691
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,680
That's a whole different 
podcast. 

692
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,920
That's a whole story. 
Toy float, Toy float trick. 

693
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,200
Not a toy, boy. 
That's what I asked. 

694
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,280
That's what we can, did she? 
Let's just call them toy. 

695
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,040
Was it toy boys? 
Yeah, but do you know what I 

696
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,560
mean? 
Yeah, I have tried one of those 

697
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,880
and it's just something I'm not 
comfortable with. 

698
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,520
But if I was swimming distances 
out somewhere and I wasn't close

699
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,400
to land, I would definitely have
one long because that would make

700
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,520
me feel more comfortable. 
But but the swimming I do, I'm 

701
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,720
OK and I'm happy with what I'm 
doing, you know? 

702
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,000
And in case the harbour master 
is listening to this, which OK, 

703
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,120
sorry. 
Yes, no, no, that's right. 

704
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,880
You're you're not going far. 
No, no, I'm well. 

705
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,680
You're well within the byline 
horse. 

706
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,040
Absolutely. 
You're on that. 

707
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,840
Underoath. 
Underoath, Yeah, Just got a 

708
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Bible here, yeah. 
That's right. 

709
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Is there anything you want to 
talk about that I haven't 

710
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,480
already asked you about? 
I did have one thought, yeah, 

711
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,520
before you came here. 
And I don't know how relevant 

712
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,360
this is, so you might cut it 
out. 

713
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,160
OK. 
People have got to be less 

714
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,520
worried about their body shapes.
I think it's very relevant. 

715
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,200
Is it? 
Yeah. 

716
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,840
All my life I've been concerned 
and honestly, do you know what 

717
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,720
I've got to this age now. 
I don't give no, no, don't give 

718
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,200
a step. 
I do want to be healthy and 

719
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,200
everything, but it's never going
to stop me from doing what I 

720
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,520
enjoy and I don't care what your
body shape is, you just get out 

721
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,520
there and enjoy yourself. 
Yeah. 

722
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,400
The thing is we're not like you 
say, we, we see, see ourselves 

723
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,160
differently from how others. 
Like we're not all looking at 

724
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,040
each other and criticizing and 
having critical thoughts. 

725
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,360
Like that's not, that's not what
we're doing. 

726
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,560
No, no, no. 
And this is definitely from new 

727
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,040
people because I I've got some 
friends down the road and Chabon

728
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,120
go swimming. 
She won't do anything because 

729
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,880
she doesn't think she's the 
right shape. 

730
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,800
Oh. 
That's so. 

731
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,080
Sad. 
And I always say, I mean, none 

732
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,960
of us are the right shape. 
Yeah, that's right. 

733
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,960
Yeah. 
But we're we're the right shape 

734
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
for swimming, yeah. 
Yeah, that's right. 

735
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Yeah. 
Yeah, we're all different 

736
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,240
shapes. 
Gosh, how we walk. 

737
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,800
Yeah, just enjoy. 
It and how boring would it be if

738
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,440
we all look the same and. 
Wouldn't it be boring? 

739
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Yeah, it'd all be. 
What tramps is it? 

740
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,920
Yeah, Oh, that's a shame. 
But yeah, I think that's very 

741
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,880
relevant. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

742
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,520
So that's something I did think 
about. 

743
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:58,440
It's like I have seen some 
people who, well, maybe I'm 

744
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,760
thinking of one particularly who
was so worried about her body 

745
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,120
shape that she didn't come back 
sort of thing, you know? 

746
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,600
Yeah. 
I mean, and what can you really 

747
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,080
say apart from, you know, just 
try not to worry about it. 

748
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,280
I mean, there are different 
swimsuits you can buy. 

749
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,400
There aren't that many options, 
but there are a few if that's an

750
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,320
issue. 
But yeah. 

751
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Put your togs on. 
Put your togs on. 

752
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,840
But it's hard when you hear 
people criticize themselves, 

753
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,200
isn't it? 
And you just want to say, you 

754
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,040
know, you look great, you know. 
Absolutely. 

755
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Absolutely. 
And especially in the water. 

756
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,920
All this is your head. 
That's right, we all look the 

757
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,760
same in the water. 
It's hard to recognise people 

758
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,960
isn't? 
It I mean that has happened. 

759
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,480
You're easier because you're not
wearing goggles or a cap, so you

760
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,480
look like you, but everyone else
has the cap and the goggles and 

761
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,440
yeah. 
Yeah, I'm Incognito. 

762
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Yes, that's right. 
Like we wouldn't recognise you. 

763
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,880
Anymore, but that's the only 
thing I can think of is you just

764
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,360
got to go out there, have a 
great time, but most of all. 

765
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,640
Have fun. 
And it's got Barb Oasis too. 

766
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,240
Have fun, yeah? 
I mean, if your idea of fun is 

767
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,400
to trim to the lighthouse and 
back three times, do it. 

768
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,800
Yeah, if that's what you want to
if. 

769
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,960
That's your fun. 
Yeah, Do that, you know. 

770
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,720
Yeah. 
You know, because everybody's 

771
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,920
fun is so different. 
It is. 

772
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,560
That's right, my fun is not 
necessarily your fun. 

773
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,920
No, that's right. 
Yeah, no. 

774
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,360
That's a really good point 
actually. 

775
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,160
But do you know what? 
At some point we do all have 

776
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
crossovers. 
Like the handstands that's. 

777
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,440
The handstands, you know, we do 
we all, you know, Yeah, it's an 

778
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,240
enjoyable part of finishing your
swim. 

779
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,280
It is, and it doesn't matter how
far you've been. 

780
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,960
You can do a handstand at the 
end, right? 

781
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Yeah, yeah, that's right. 
It's a nice sort of or 

782
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,680
something, you know, swimming 
and being in the water kind of. 

783
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,160
People say it keeps you young, 
but I think it also keeps it 

784
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,520
fun, keeps it playful. 
Oh yeah, You know, life can be 

785
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,120
so serious. 
Tell me about it. 

786
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,280
Yeah, I mean, I even now I go to
a kids playground. 

787
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,360
And I'm going you. 
Know oh, if we could do an 

788
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,920
obstacle course here. 
Right. 

789
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,600
Because I remember when the 
girls were young, we used to go 

790
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,760
places. 
And honestly, I was that Ninja 

791
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Warrior thing was popular. 
Yeah, you know, when the girls 

792
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,800
were young. 
So we used to sort of, 

793
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,120
especially the one that next to 
the library in Kilburnie, you 

794
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,240
set up a course for them and 
with their friends and 

795
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,120
everything, and they've just 
loved that. 

796
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Yeah, they love doing that sort 
of stuff. 

797
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,240
The Ocean's like that for us, 
isn't it? 

798
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:35,280
Because you don't have gravity? 
So yeah, we can all float and we

799
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,720
can all do what? 
Oh, gosh, yeah. 

800
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:41,280
And I'm a natural floater. 
I find it so difficult to go 

801
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
down, to swim down. 
Yeah, yeah. 

802
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,960
I I went swimming with a guy 
called Gareth many years ago and

803
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,640
I made him laugh so much because
he swam, swam down, pick 

804
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,560
something up. 
I swam, tried to do exactly the 

805
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,720
same thing and all you could see
is my legs. 

806
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,040
Up in the air I. 
Couldn't go down, couldn't 

807
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,920
descend, couldn't descend. 
It's like with Babs when she 

808
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,400
tried to explain the difference 
between men and women in the 

809
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,520
water. 
Have you ever heard? 

810
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,360
Yes, yes, yeah. 
And why women float and why men 

811
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,440
sink. 
Yeah, I was one of the men 

812
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,160
choose using. 
Right as an example. 

813
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,280
I floated. 
So you were talking about 

814
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,080
swimming in the chop earlier in 
the sun you just float. 

815
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,040
So because most people in choppy
water, they're trying to get 

816
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,960
sort of under the waves so 
they're not moving around. 

817
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,200
So, but even more on the 
surface, we really bobbing up 

818
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,360
and down. 
Enjoy it. 

819
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Yeah, you're getting tossed 
around and you just don't don't 

820
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,800
mind. 
Not at all. 

821
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,080
Yeah, not as well. 
Just enjoy it. 

822
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,240
Yeah. 
Don't fight it. 

823
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,760
Yeah, don't fight it. 
Don't fight it. 

824
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,160
That's something I've been 
living in. 

825
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:54,440
Yeah, fighting it takes energy. 
It does, and you don't get very 

826
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,960
far. 
No, you don't go over there. 

827
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,440
Yeah, it's it's a different 
experience again. 

828
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,880
Yeah, it really is. 
You know, pretend you're a log 

829
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,160
floating on the water. 
Yeah, you always have got to 

830
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,880
imagine all of these things. 
Yeah, you visualize? 

831
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,960
Yeah. 
I've been a dolphin once. 

832
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Just once. 
Few times, Millions of times, 

833
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:17,760
I'm sure. 
I'm a dolphin. 

834
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

835
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Dolphins. 
A seal. 

836
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,520
Sometimes I like to pretend I'm 
one of those marathon swimmers, 

837
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,560
you know, and I, I'm not 
swimming as quickly as one, but 

838
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,680
just something about it changes 
my mindset, you know what I 

839
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,440
mean? 
I just sort of feel a bit more 

840
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,840
stable and confident. 
I can't kick. 

841
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,840
Well, that's all right. 
You don't really need to CD. 

842
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,400
Laura laughs at me because I can
kick, She says. 

843
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,520
That's the first thing you learn
for swimming is kicking. 

844
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,240
She says I can kick. 
So I've made a conscious effort 

845
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,600
to to learn to kick. 
And out in the blue one day, 

846
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,080
something occurred to me. 
I started kicking and it seemed 

847
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,680
to be working OK because I 
imagined I had flippers on. 

848
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,520
OK, so I imagine I had flippers 
on and I kicked. 

849
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,360
Yeah, and it changed your 
movement. 

850
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,520
Takes my movement. 
Yeah. 

851
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,720
But then again, I sound like, 
oh, imagine my flippers on. 

852
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,520
Oh, oh, no, my imagination's not
gone. 

853
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,960
And it's sort of my kicking 
ghost. 

854
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,280
Yeah. 
I can't synchronize my swimming 

855
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520
and my kicking. 
Yeah, at all. 

856
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,480
And of course Laura was looking 
and she laughed because it's a 

857
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,360
kick, kick, kick. 
Pause, kick, kick. 

858
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,800
Pause. 
Recalibrate. 

859
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,720
Start again. 
Yeah. 

860
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,960
So yeah, it's it's yeah, it's 
interesting. 

861
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,760
It's interesting. 
It does, yeah. 

862
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,320
That's always something new to 
think about. 

863
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040
I mean, what you're doing now, 
it's amazing, mate. 

864
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,200
Yeah, it really is amazing 
because it brings a lot of 

865
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,040
people's experiences together. 
Yeah, it does, and she is. 

866
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,160
Yeah, that's what I wanted to do
because, you know, we talk after

867
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,800
swimming over coffee and it's 
when you hear everybody's 

868
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,360
stories about how they got 
started and what they're working

869
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,320
on now and what their goals are.
And it's different for every 

870
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,280
single person. 
And I find everybody's story 

871
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,520
interesting. 
It's isn't it? 

872
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,960
Because that's terrible. 
The lady who left for Australia 

873
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,400
last year, end of last year, she
came in from the Capitol Coast, 

874
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,000
choose to connect. 
Yes, I've. 

875
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,040
I know who you mean. 
Yeah, I know. 

876
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,480
It's hard to remember names, of 
course. 

877
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,840
I I tried to, yeah, that's one 
thing. 

878
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,400
I I constantly try to remember 
people's names. 

879
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,640
You know, I really do. 
Not always successful. 

880
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,040
I think we called you Sonia 
once. 

881
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,720
You're not the first and you 
won't be the last. 

882
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:45,680
I know I get Charlotte, Fiona, 
Sonia, Sonia. 

883
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,920
So I do try to remember people's
names. 

884
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,720
I don't know. 
Not always successful but and 

885
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:57,280
her farewell. 
Then again I never even she she 

886
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,360
said one thing she enjoyed doing
was jumping off the pier at the 

887
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,720
end. 
Yeah, it says thank you, Bryn, 

888
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,720
and I can't remember ever. 
She just knew. 

889
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Yeah, she'd probably heard 
someone call you Bryn now. 

890
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,120
No, no, no. 
No, but she thanked me because 

891
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,840
that was something like you that
made her want to come back 

892
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,680
because she jumped off. 
Yeah, something. 

893
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
And it was a milestone figure, 
Yeah. 

894
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,600
Just yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, that's the thing. 

895
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,920
Sometimes something we do all 
the time, you sort of forget. 

896
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,440
I honestly do. 
I think I have this beautiful 

897
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,840
memory. 
I don't hold on to anything 

898
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,320
because not that because I want 
to hold on to it. 

899
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,240
I actually forget it's gone. 
I can't remember to be honest 

900
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,160
with you. 
So people, you know, I've had 

901
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,200
people say, well, why are you 
doing that for them? 

902
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,520
This is why not. 
Then they did this to you years 

903
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,080
ago. 
I'm going. 

904
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,240
Oh yeah. 
You've forgotten. 

905
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,880
I've forgotten so so. 
Why? 

906
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,560
That's really a good one. 
Good thing though, right? 

907
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,640
Oh absolutely. 
Yeah, I'm a bit worried to 

908
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,160
connect dementia, OK. 
Albert, I just wanted to meant 

909
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,680
to help prevent that. 
Is it really? 

910
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,000
Yeah. 
Oh, thank God for that. 

911
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,240
Yeah. 
So you might be right. 

912
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,400
Yeah. 
Fingers crossed. 

913
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,880
Oh, everything crossed at the 
moment, you know, but it's, 

914
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,120
it's, it's like I said, I mean, 
Adrian's inspired me. 

915
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,480
I just loved the way he is, what
sort of person he is. 

916
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,360
There's a lot of other people 
that that inspire me in that 

917
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,120
place, to be honest with you. 
Well, I think you've inspired a 

918
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,200
lot of people too. 
You inspire me. 

919
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,960
You remind me to keep it fun. 
Keep it fun. 

920
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,520
Yeah, That's the main thing, 
isn't it? 

921
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Keep it fun, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

922
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,520
As you said before, I mean, 
everybody's definition of fun is

923
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,400
different. 
You know, I've seen some people,

924
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,880
no matter what, to get in the 
water. 

925
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,000
I see their faces change, you 
know, They want to get 

926
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,880
somewhere. 
Yeah, they just wanna get 

927
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,720
somewhere and that's all they 
want. 

928
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Don't talk to me. 
Yeah, I know. 

929
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,920
Yeah. 
And they're not gonna float on 

930
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,240
their back and look up at the 
sky. 

931
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:10,720
Ohh, and work out what certain 
clouds look like. 

932
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,200
Yeah, well, that looks like a 
rabbit. 

933
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,960
Yeah, they're not going to stop 
and sort of enjoy the rainbow 

934
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,400
and the fountain. 
Absolutely. 

935
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,200
That's beautiful, isn't it? 
That's so beautiful. 

936
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Because I'm being underneath 
that water. 

937
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,040
Yeah, the spray, I always say I.
Don't need a shower now, yeah? 

938
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,400
That's right. 
Being under the fountain. 

939
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,800
Yeah, it's. 
It's gorgeous, isn't? 

940
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,200
It it is. 
Yeah, it's a lot of great 

941
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,040
experience. 
And then anymore winter. 

942
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,320
That's Brill. 
I tell you what the nicest thing

943
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:42,720
did when they did the the 
renovations at the pool many 

944
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,720
years ago. 
Yeah. 

945
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,000
And so they changed our 
Wednesday and Saturday swim to 

946
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,240
Thornton in winter. 
And so it's in the evenings, 

947
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,640
swimming in torn pool underneath
the stars. 

948
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,200
In the winter. 
Winter. 

949
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,800
I haven't done it. 
I'd love to. 

950
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,040
I hope it happens again. 
Tell you what. 

951
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,200
You can do that. 
That is such a beautiful 

952
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,240
experience would be. 
Yeah, it really is. 

953
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,040
Yeah. 
And it was amazing. 

954
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,480
We don't have a lot of outdoor 
pools in Wellington. 

955
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,400
No, we don't. 
For good reason I guess, but it 

956
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,240
can be really lovely. 
We had a, we had an outdoor pool

957
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:23,240
back in. 
I'm from Caernarvon, North 

958
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,760
Wales. 
We had an outdoor pool there and

959
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,800
it was a sea pool and it was 
funny even in winter. 

960
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,080
I mean, I'll deny this in the 
court of law. 

961
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,920
I used to break into that place 
because it was open air. 

962
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,440
So to break into it, all you had
to do was climb the wall and you

963
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,560
were in the pool. 
Nowadays there'd be cameras. 

964
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,240
Barbed wire. 
Four of us and we in winter, 

965
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,120
we'd swim in that thing, right? 
Yeah. 

966
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,680
It wasn't filtered or anything. 
Would have strengthened your 

967
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,920
immunity. 
You could be swimming with 

968
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,640
jellyfish and everything in this
pool. 

969
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,480
Right. 
So it came right, it was washed 

970
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,000
and. 
Yeah, it was a title. 

971
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,160
An ocean pool. 
Yeah, an ocean title pool. 

972
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,320
Yeah. 
So, so we would do that. 

973
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,880
So I've always loved the water. 
Yeah, always loved the water. 

974
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,360
That open water. 
Yeah, loved it. 

975
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,960
I mean, even as a kid, I tried 
to build my own submarine. 

976
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,040
I do. 
Yeah. 

977
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,040
Wasn't successful. 
It's not too late. 

978
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,920
Don't tell Laura now. 
You wouldn't want to be in a 

979
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,040
submarine though, would you? 
Because you'd be disconnected 

980
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,320
from, you'd be disconnected from
the water as well. 

981
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,200
I. 
Wouldn't be able to touch. 

982
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,800
I didn't want the ability to go 
under right because I float. 

983
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,800
Like like Jacques Cousteau. 
That's. 

984
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,960
Jacques Cousteau, yeah. 
Jacques Cousteau, yeah. 

985
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,960
And he's underwater. 
But did you grow up watching 

986
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,240
cameras? 
Absolutely. 

987
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,520
You loved Jacques Cousteau? 
Yeah, yeah. 

988
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,360
And a guy called the Man from 
Atlantis. 

989
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,280
Yes, I've heard of him. 
Yeah, that was another one too. 

990
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,240
Yeah, yeah. 
So when did you come to New 

991
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,120
Zealand? 
1978. 

992
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,760
Yeah. 
Oh, that's the year I was born. 

993
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,240
What's the name? 
That was a little while ago. 

994
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,840
Yeah, I was 14. 
Yeah. 

995
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,520
And were you swimming when you 
got here, or did you get back to

996
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:17,240
it later in life? 
Much later in life, because I 

997
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:26,280
decided I wanted to get healthy 
and I was put on to barbs and 

998
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:34,480
sort of started with barbs and 
she she sort of gave me a bit of

999
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,440
a trial out and said you can't 
swim. 

1000
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,880
Can't. 
Can't swim right and sure it's 

1001
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,360
right. 
I mean, everybody thinks they 

1002
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,440
can swim. 
There's a big difference. 

1003
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,720
Such a difference is there 
between floating and actually. 

1004
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,400
Swimming, I mean, even when 
you're doing your breast stroke,

1005
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,800
you know, Yeah. 
Oh, sorry, your your freestyle, 

1006
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:59,360
you know, it can, I can go for 
ages to my freestyle because I'm

1007
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,840
actually not using a lot of 
energy. 

1008
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,680
I really know, you know, whereas
people who can swim and they do 

1009
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,480
their freestyle, they knackered 
after about 5. 

1010
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,920
You can see people who do a lot 
of splashing or they're just 

1011
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,800
sort of dragging themselves 
through the water, right? 

1012
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,280
Yeah. 
Yeah, because my, my technique's

1013
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,120
very slow. 
My hand goes up very slow, moves

1014
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,320
forward very slow, same speed as
my mind. 

1015
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,840
You're not in a hurry. 
I'm not, I'm really not in a 

1016
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,160
hurry. 
So I can move us going with this

1017
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,840
now. 
How you got started with Yeah. 

1018
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,840
So, so I went to Babs and she 
said you can swim. 

1019
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,320
And I said Yep. 
So back then Babs before the 

1020
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Wednesday slot used to do 
another swim group and there was

1021
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:54,080
basically a learn to swim group.
And so I started there and 

1022
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,840
because what happened was let me
go back, I'll go back another 

1023
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,680
step. 
I turned up thinking I could 

1024
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,800
swim. 
And then halfway through the 

1025
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,280
class she told me to get out 
because she said she can't swim 

1026
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,720
and you're knackered. 
And I was. 

1027
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,440
One thing about Babs, she 
doesn't. 

1028
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,000
No, she. 
Doesn't. 

1029
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,280
She tells you the truth, and I 
love people like that, you know?

1030
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,200
You know, I've got a Doctor Who 
called me a big fat bastard. 

1031
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,000
That was the exact words. 
Wow. 

1032
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,440
I love Wow. 
That's good. 

1033
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,520
Doesn't beat around the book. 
No, no, he's he's amazing. 

1034
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,000
So she said you need to come to 
the pre class. 

1035
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:37,440
So I went there and I did that 
for quite a while until I got 

1036
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,960
into the being able to swim. 
Yeah. 

1037
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,520
And I think that was in that 
class for about 16 weeks. 

1038
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1039
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,240
As I say, I'm not always the 
fastest. 

1040
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,320
I don't know. 
She used to do that. 

1041
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,840
Yeah, she used to do that and 
that that was brilliant. 

1042
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,200
So and then when I finally got 
into the class, into the the 

1043
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,320
Wednesday swims, I could keep up
because. 

1044
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,160
But then she'd shown me what the
technique was. 

1045
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,520
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1046
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,560
I, I think learning to swim in 
the Wednesday class isn't good. 

1047
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,480
You need to learn separately. 
Yeah. 

1048
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,320
Giving you fitness up. 
It's brilliant. 

1049
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,160
Yeah, because the Wednesday 
class is for an hour, so you 

1050
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,000
really need to be able to, 
absolutely. 

1051
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,040
You need some stamina and 
ability. 

1052
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,440
I remember turning up to that 
class would have been about 3 

1053
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,440
years ago and I just learned how
to swim freestyle properly. 

1054
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,360
I had a couple of private 
lessons and I remember doing 1, 

1055
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,400
maybe 2 laps of the 25 meter 
pull just being absolutely out 

1056
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,840
of breath. 
Yes, thinking I I can't do this 

1057
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,880
again. 
Like. 

1058
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,600
And Bob said to me, instead of 
breathing every three, try 

1059
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,680
breathing every two strokes and 
I did that and I was off. 

1060
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,160
Made such a difference. 
And no one had ever said that to

1061
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,080
me before. 
Yeah. 

1062
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,160
That's the thing, isn't it? 
It? 

1063
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,240
It's sometimes it's a word she 
might say. 

1064
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,120
Yeah, that. 
Oh, wow. 

1065
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,200
I know what she means. 
Yes. 

1066
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,400
And you go, oh, that's 
brilliant. 

1067
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,240
Yeah, she can see what people 
need. 

1068
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,120
And also, sometimes it's just 
being given permission to do 

1069
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,480
something. 
It's funny, isn't it, Even when 

1070
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,240
you're an adult, being told that
you can breathe anytime you 

1071
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:17,800
want. 
I didn't know that. 

1072
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,400
A lot of swimmers hold their 
breath, right? 

1073
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,360
And that's partly why they get 
tired as well. 

1074
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,280
Yeah, I'm, I'm 11 form. 
Yeah, I'm shocking. 

1075
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,760
My eye got such terrible lungs. 
They're terrible. 

1076
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,440
But in the water I'm OK if I go 
for a walk. 

1077
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,560
Yeah, you notice it. 
And it's now she is. 

1078
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,760
She's amazing. 
I love being in the car with her

1079
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,120
on a Sunday morning, as long as 
we have a catch up because 

1080
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,520
sometimes I'm her official toy 
boy center. 

1081
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,920
So we sit in the car, we're 
talking and one thing about 

1082
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,000
Babs, she's always, she really 
is, she's always making sure 

1083
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,240
people are safe. 
And she's, her eyes are 

1084
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,160
basically binoculars. 
She'll be sitting in that kind 

1085
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,320
of, and I'm sitting next to her.
She goes, oh, such and such. 

1086
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,960
His, his stroke's improved, you 
know, And I'm like, how can you 

1087
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,480
see that? 
So see that down over there? 

1088
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,560
See, I recognise them by the 
way. 

1089
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,600
Yes. 
Everybody's got a signature 

1090
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,600
stroke I. 
Think they do? 

1091
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,120
Yeah. 
She's so she's so observant. 

1092
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,880
Absolutely. 
And she's always watching. 

1093
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:34,720
Absolutely. 
Even once I went to the beach 

1094
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,240
early in the morning when it was
dark and I was going for a swim 

1095
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,840
with Namada and Bob called out 
to me and I said, how did you 

1096
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,520
know it was me? 
Because I was across the beach 

1097
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,480
and it was dark. 
And she said I recognized her 

1098
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,120
walk. 
So even on land, she knows who's

1099
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,800
who. 
Yeah, in the dark. 

1100
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,680
There's a guy I work and I 
recognize these people's 

1101
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:01,840
footsteps yeah and then and you 
can tell people who've got a one

1102
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,520
leg big and the other or because
just for the the way the. 

1103
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,040
Yeah, it's distinctive. 
It makes sense. 

1104
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,320
Yeah, you don't always know that
about yourself, do you? 

1105
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,040
You know nothing about yourself,
Really. 

1106
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,760
That's true. 
And it's like somebody says to 

1107
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,520
you, oh, you're a good person. 
And you go, oh, no, because I 

1108
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,440
know myself. 
Yeah, you know, and you know 

1109
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,960
things about yourself that 
nobody else knows. 

1110
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,320
Yeah. 
And of course, when somebody 

1111
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,440
says you're a good person, you 
automatically think of all the 

1112
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,760
stuff that doesn't make you. 
Yeah, all the things on the 

1113
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,840
cons, Yeah, yeah. 
No, no that. 

1114
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,720
Can't be true what they're. 
Talking about, yeah. 

1115
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,520
Well, I I was starting to end 
our chat about half an hour. 

1116
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,400
No, no, that was about half an 
hour ago. 

1117
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,120
And then we got talking again. 
Yeah, no, it was always good to 

1118
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,320
talk about. 
Easy to talk to. 

1119
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,120
Oh, thank you. 
You're brilliant at this because

1120
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,120
I was very nervous. 
Oh. 

1121
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,000
Were you not very nervous? 
But yeah, I know people I've 

1122
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:56,800
got. 
Nothing to say. 

1123
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,680
People always felt that, but 
then, yeah. 

1124
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,000
Have you surprised yourself? 
I surprised, well, not surprise 

1125
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,080
myself, but you're you're 
brilliant at bringing out. 

1126
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,720
Thanks. 
Have people. 

1127
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,120
Oh, thank you. 
Yeah. 

1128
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,720
Because I'm interested. 
You'd be a good detective. 

1129
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Oh, I'd be. 
Scared. 

1130
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,640
Think about my next. 
It was me, your honour. 

1131
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,880
I am a detective. 
Police clear. 

1132
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:24,480
The internet's coming in. 
Why? 

1133
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Yeah, that'd be a good twist. 
Didn't see that coming. 

1134
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,560
Thank you, Brent. 
Thank you for your time. 

1135
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,840
Thank you so much. 
It's been a feels like a 

1136
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,000
privilege to talk to. 
You oh, it's been a it's been a 

1137
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,560
lovely talking to you. 
It's been absolutely gorgeous. 

1138
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,000
And please thank Laura for the 
muffler. 

1139
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,800
I will. 
I'm going. 

1140
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,280
To finish eating mine now. 
I know what. 

1141
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,160
We can do turn them off. 
Turn it off, then we can munch 

1142
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,480
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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,280
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