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Kyoda and welcome to Swim Chats,
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I'm Shona Riddell, a writer, 
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Show Nights. 
Since we're rapidly approaching 

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Christmas now, I thought it 
would be a good time for a 

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festive episode. 
I'm chatting to James Fox 

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Goulding in the UK, who 
organizes an annual Christmas 

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Day dip in the seaside town of 
Felixstowe. 

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Am I pronouncing that town name 
correctly? 

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James? 
You did it perfectly. 

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Excellent. 
And so the Christmas Day dip 

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raises funds for the local Saint
Elizabeth Hospice. 

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James, first of all, welcome to 
Swim Chats. 

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Thank you. 
I'm really excited to be here. 

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Awesome. 
Well, it's it's currently summer

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here in New Zealand and so our 
air temperature is about 20°C. 

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What? 
What is the weather like where 

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you are at the moment? 
Today it's a little bit on the 

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grey side as I'm looking out the
window here. 

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We're probably around 6° at the 
moment and we've had a little 

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bit of frost this morning. 
Fairly different, yeah. 

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So I can only imagine what the 
water temperature is, but we'll 

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talk about that in a minute. 
I first came across, I think it 

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was an article about your 
Christmas Day dips on the 

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Outdoor Swimmer website. 
A lot of us here in New Zealand 

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are fans of the Outdoor Swimmer 
magazine. 

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And yeah, so I I read that the 
event's been running for more 

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than 20 years. 
Is that right? 

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21st year this year, yeah. 
That's cool. 

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Congratulations. 
And so I had to Google 

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Felixstowe on I, I know it's a 
seaside town, but I wasn't quite

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sure where it is. 
So I now know that it's 

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northeast of London. 
So the people who are dipping 

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are dipping in the North Sea. 
Yes. 

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So in the winter, what would be 
the approximate temperature for 

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your Christmas Day dip? 
The water's probably between 

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four and seven degrees. 
Normally at that sort of time of

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year, it's fairly chilly. 
Fairly, fairly fresh. 

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Yeah. 
And just so you can paint a 

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picture for us, what what does 
the beach look like where this 

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Christmas dip happens every 
year? 

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Felix say it's actually a lovely
beach, so it's a proper seaside 

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town here. 
Lots of amusements, arcades. 

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It's got a full pier you can 
walk down during the summer, It 

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has a big wheel, so it's a real 
family sort of destination town.

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It also holds the largest port 
in the UK, so we have lots of 

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big container ships coming in 
and from where we do it on the 

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beach, you can actually see the 
port just over to your right 

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hand side as well. 
So it's quite an impressive view

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there. 
Awesome. 

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Thank you. 
And you mentioned that it's been

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running for 21 years. 
Has it been running at the same 

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location all that time or has it
changed? 

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Pretty much, yes. 
It's always been in the 

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Felixstowe. 
Felixstowe beach has bays with 

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the old protection, the erosion 
protection there. 

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It has moved bays, but roughly 
it's always been, it's always 

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Felixstowe sea front and but 
it's moved over the years. 

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It actually started as a 
supporter event. 

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So a family basically decided 
that they were going to raise 

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money one Christmas and they 
were going to do this and then 

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people wanted to join them. 
More people wanted to join them 

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and it just grew and grew and 
grew to the point that they they

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found it was too much for them 
to run themselves. 

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So we stepped in and we took 
over the organisations of it and

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we've carried on growing it. 
And now we have about last year 

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we had 660 people take part 
Christmas Day morning. 

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That's a lot of people, yeah. 
Congratulations. 

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I mean, that's a lot of people 
getting into fresh water. 

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And what what do people like to 
wear when they do this Christmas

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Day swim? 
Oh, everything, honestly, 

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everything. 
We've, we've got those that do 

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come down in their speedos and 
bikinis, which is quite 

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impressive. 
Lots of fancy dress, so much 

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fancy dress. 
All the Santa suits, Missus 

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Claus presents, turkeys. 
We've had inflatable dinosaurs, 

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inflatable flamingos. 
We've got some families that 

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it's a tradition that they have 
a theme to their fancy dress 

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every year. 
So we've had things like, you 

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know, die hard and all things 
like that. 

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So they're always fun to see 
because they come every year. 

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So get excited to see what their
theme is because they won't tell

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us until they arrive on the day.
Oh nice, and do you, do you 

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yourself like to get in and 
participate in the duck or are 

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you more cheering from the 
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I would love to take part in 
this one. 

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At the moment I don't because 
obviously I organise it and I'm 

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in charge of all the safety and 
coordinating everything. 

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They, they won't allow me to do 
it, which is one of the events. 

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I'm really gutted that I can say
they won't allow me to do it 

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because normally I thought, yes,
I'm, I really can't do it. 

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I'm being safety. 
But this one I would love to 

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take part in. 
So hopefully next year I've got 

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a new person on my team that 
will hopefully take over the 

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safety role next year and I'm 
going to be running in. 

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Yeah, cool. 
And what, what sort of safety 

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things do you do for people like
when, when people have done 

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their depth and I imagine 
they're feeling a little bit, 

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you know, needing to warm up 
afterwards. 

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Does everybody get dressed 
pretty quickly once they get out

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and have a hot drink? 
Pretty much people actually come

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down with picnics now. 
It's it's come that much of A 

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tradition that they'll come out,
they'll come, they'll put their 

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dry robes on and a lot of them 
live in the local area. 

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So they they do literally just 
dry robe and wander off home. 

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But they come down with picnics 
and hot toddies and whiskey 

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flasks and all that for 
afterwards just to have that 

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celebration because the it's 
just such an amazing atmosphere 

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that 660 people, plus friends 
and families that are watching 

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it just all on the beach 
together celebrating. 

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And then everyone off for their 
Christmas dinner and presents. 

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It's just, yeah, it's amazing to
see it. 

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I love how people incorporate 
food into the event as well, so 

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that's really nice. 
Yeah. 

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And I think I watched a video of
it on YouTube maybe from a 

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previous year, and I love seeing
people's facial expressions when

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they're getting into the water. 
They. 

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They, they think they're going 
to have a little trot in, but 

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660 people going together, yeah,
you, you just in and it, it's so

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impression and it makes you feel
so good, but it does, it takes 

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your breath away as you go in. 
Yeah, to be. 

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Honestly, you can't go in 
slowly, you know? 

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You know what it's like you're 
on holiday and you slowly walk 

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into a swimming pool. 
Now you've got to go for it. 

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Just jump in. 
Yeah, you've got to be brave. 

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So the rest of the year, are 
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Like is there something that you
would do recreationally or is 

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this more sort of part of your 
role for the Hospice? 

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This is part of my role for my 
Hospice and I organised so many 

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different events over the years.
So we do fire walks around 

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Halloween and we do midnight 
walks in the summer. 

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We do we arrange skydives. 
So we do loads and loads of 

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stuff like that. 
But I am a water baby 

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personally, I spend a lot of 
time in the water. 

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I'm a scuba diver in my hobbies.
Oh, cool. 

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Well, I spend a lot of time in 
cold water diving. 

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Yeah, well, I've, I've been to 
Iceland, so I've done very cold 

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water diving. 
Oh, that's awesome. 

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Well, on this podcast we talk to
divers as well as swimmers. 

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So what sort of things do you 
see when you're cold water 

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diving over there? 
A lot to be fair. 

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Cold water diving you don't see 
much life as such, but some 

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beautiful rock formations and 
things, especially like places 

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like Iceland. 
The volcanic rocks and the 

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tectonic plates there are just 
fabulous geographical sights to 

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see. 
And the water would be even 

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colder up there, I imagine. 
But are you in a dry suit when 

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you're doing your dice there? 
I'm in a dry suit on that one. 

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I think it was. 
It was -7 air temperature and 

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three degrees in water. 
Wow, yeah, that's even fresher. 

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We, I was going to say, in New 
Zealand we have Christmas Day 

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dips too, but they're a bit less
intrepid because it's summer. 

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So for example, I have a 
tradition where on Christmas 

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morning a group of friends and I
jump off the local Wharf into 

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the water, which we, we love. 
So we open presents with our 

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families and then we go to the 
Wharf, jump in, get out, come 

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home and prepare Christmas 
lunch. 

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And so that's just part of the 
daily routine. 

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And also this group of people 
who like to tie a small 

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Christmas tree to one of the 
swimming rafts out in the, in 

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the harbour sort of suddenly one
day close to Christmas, this 

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tree which is decorated will 
just appear on the raft. 

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But I, I like the idea of tying 
the Christmas Day dip in with 

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the, the fundraising. 
I think that's really special 

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thing to do. 
It's one of our biggest 

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fundraisers now for for the 
Hospice. 

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I mean, we can. 
The Hospice itself takes £12 

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million a year to run, we only 
receive about 30% of that 

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through like NHS funded 
activities. 

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So it's a large amount of money 
that we have to raise from our 

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local community and event like 
this can bring us about £50,000 

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in. 
So it's a massive, massive thing

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that we need to do and we're so 
grateful to our local 

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communities and businesses. 
They get behind it. 

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We've got an amazing volunteer 
rescue service on Felix Day that

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they come out with their safety 
boats and they're they're 

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cheering people along and 
obviously being there to to 

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support us. 
That's awesome. 

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And so how do you raise the the 
money to people who participate,

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give a donation or is there an 
entry price to to do the day? 

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There's a small entry fee to 
take part which covers sort of 

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our running costs to get the 
event up and running, but then 

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the money itself is raised 
through fundraising so that they

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go out to their friends, family,
businesses. 

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We have collection buckets on 
the day. 

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Felixstowe has a lot of people 
that will be out walking 

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Christmas Day as well, so we see
a lot of people coming by that 

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will stop and watch and put some
money in a bucket, so that's how

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we do it. 
Cool, and is there a link that I

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can add to the show nights for 
this episode where people can go

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and make a contribution if they 
would like to? 

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Yeah, Saint Elizabeth 
hospice.org.uk is our website, 

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and just at the top of the 
corner there, there's a donate 

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button if anyone wants to do it.
Awesome. 

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And what what sort of things do 
you use the money for when when 

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you raise your 50,000 lbs for 
the Christmas step? 

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So the Hospice itself, we look 
after people with life limiting 

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illnesses. 
And since since the the joys of 

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the COVID times, we've shifted a
lot of our services now and we 

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actually look after 70% of 
people in their homes. 

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So whether they're in their 
their own home, a nursing home, 

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we do go into hospital hospitals
at times. 

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And we provide that care that 
they need in their home 

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environment. 
And it just makes their lives so

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much easier. 
Just being that support that 

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medical attention, giving them 
the time that they need and 

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supporting their friends, their 
families, the carers and the 

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medical professions that also 
look after them. 

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We support all those as well. 
Such an important service. 

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Speaking personally as someone 
who's, you know, been involved 

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with our local Hospice when 
friends and family have, you 

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know, been in the the final act 
of their lives, Yeah, hospices 

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provide a lot of comfort and 
support. 

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Oh, just a bit of a random 
question. 

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Have you seen a film called That
Christmas? 

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It's auk film that came out last
year and it's an it's an 

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animated film. 
And yeah, it's, it's a lovely 

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Christmas film. 
And right at the end, there's a 

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A Christmas Day dip that all the
locals in the town participate 

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in. 
So, yeah, if you haven't seen at

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least the final scene of that 
movie, I highly recommend it. 

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Great heart, woman. 
The bits are so popular here. 

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We, we, we have Christmas Day 
dips, Boxing Day dips around the

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country, New Year's Day dips. 
So I think somewhere around the 

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coast, every day over the 
Christmas periods there's 

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someone jumping into the sea. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

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And like you say, it's just so 
invigorating. 

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And the the colder it is, the 
more invigorating sometimes. 

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Yeah. 
Well, thank you. 

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Thank you very much, James, for 
coming on the podcast. 

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Is there anything else you would
like to tell us that I haven't 

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already asked you? 
Probably not tell us, but 

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definitely recommend anybody 
anywhere that if they haven't 

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ever done a a dip, especially if
they're going to do it for 

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charity, have a go. 
It's brilliant and if you can 

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get into an organised event like
we do it, the atmosphere and the

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support, it's just electrifying.
Get yourself down there and do 

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1. 
Awesome. 

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Thank you, James. 
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