1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,120 Kyodo and welcome to Swim Chat's, a podcast about 2 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,400 swimming. I'm Shona Riddell, a writer, 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,360 former journalist and swimmer from Wellington, Alciro and New 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,760 Zealand. For each episode, I talk to a 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,640 different guest from our swim community. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,640 Please hit the follow button so you don't miss an episode. 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,680 If you enjoy the podcast, please share it with a friend or two. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,800 You can also leave a five star rating which helps other people 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,800 discover swim chats. And finally, to support the 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,400 podcast and help me to continue running it, you can become a 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,880 Swim Buddy on Patreon for $5 a month. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,920 To find out more, visit patreon.com/swim Chats. 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,040 There's a link in the episode Show Nights. 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,080 Where should we start? I've got lots of questions. 15 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,920 You have some very exciting plans coming up, an exciting 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,720 swim. Do you want to start by telling 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,880 us what your what your swim is and where you're doing it? 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:07,920 So hopefully in about 05:00 to 15 days, I'm going to swim the 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,960 distance of Lake Toggle. So from South Little Wahy N 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,480 hopefully to the Yacht Club I think is the ending point. 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,640 Yeah, so it's been a long time to get here, but I'm I'm fully 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,360 in taper. And although I don't like a 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,520 taper particularly, I'm really looking forward to, to doing it 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,080 now. It's it's getting closer and 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,200 yeah, very much looking forward to getting it done. 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Yeah, that's really exciting. And I was thinking, this is I've 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,240 last year, I recorded a few dozen episodes and I talked to 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,240 some people who had swim like Taupo. 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,600 But I think this is the first time I've talked to somebody 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,080 before their swim, which is really cool because yeah, I'm 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,000 really interested to talk to you about the the training and the 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,080 preparation that goes into something like this. 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,640 Because obviously when you talk to someone afterwards, that's 34 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,000 more you know what happened on the day and how it felt on the 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,960 day. But. 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,360 Of course, that's a much longer time to the to actually prepare 37 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,960 for the swim, whereas the swab itself as as a day. 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,440 Yeah. So I'll I'll start off by asking 39 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,760 what what made you decide to swim like Topo in? 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:25,080 Particular, I think I'd had a bit of a personal kind of 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,800 bubbling away. Could I swim longer? 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,080 Our mutual friend Brett was very good at kind of slowly planting 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,160 seeds around. Should we do this? 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,440 Should we go a little bit longer? 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,360 Shall we just, you know, I swim around to this Bay and I always 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,200 really enjoyed it. I was always very intrigued by 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,480 endurance sport mentally as well in terms of, you know, what 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,000 drives athletes in that kind of personal challenge, motivation, 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,840 space. So that kind of combined for me, 50 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:08,960 I had a bit of a moment, I think, where I was contemplating 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,760 doing something a bit longer. I had kind of been talking to 52 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Vicky and Brett and certain other people, kind of peppering 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,000 them with questions every now and then around what what it 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,520 would mean. But I went to the funeral of a 55 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:32,000 family friend and that was quite a key moment for me. 56 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,120 He had done something amazing in his life which I actually didn't 57 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,120 know about and it kind of made me reflect on the fact that, you 58 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,680 know, life is for living whilst, whilst you have it and whilst 59 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,320 you're able. And so kind of why shouldn't I 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,640 give it a go? So yeah, that kind of was the, 61 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,440 the real start of it. It wasn't out of the blue 62 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,320 though. I'd been swimming for a long 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,720 time. Well, a fair few years kind of 64 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,880 getting longer and kind of working on technique and things 65 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,200 like that. So just kind of came together 66 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,840 then. So that was probably about, 67 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,160 well, it was just just on a year ago that they've passed. 68 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,240 So kind of from then onwards. Yeah, and also, I'm sorry for 69 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,200 the loss of your friend. And I understand how sometimes, 70 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,400 you know, losing someone special to us can inspire us to do 71 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,320 something that that has meaning for us. 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:31,680 Yeah. And. 73 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:35,640 And as something that they've inspired us to do. 74 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,320 Yeah. So definitely. 75 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,000 And that, and that's that's why I have this other side of my 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,080 swim, which is around the creating awareness for dementia, 77 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,360 because, you know, that is the condition that he was affected 78 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,240 by and that our family friends, our close family friends were. 79 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,480 So we know all came together and very much made sense for me to 80 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,680 do this and supported that. So that's hopefully I'm, I'm 81 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,280 having little inroads with the people that I know. 82 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,040 So that's also been a, a really great thing to have come out of 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,560 it. No matter what happens on the 84 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,440 day, you know, I've had some really good conversations and I 85 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,520 know that other have and that's really cool. 86 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,840 Yeah, that's, that's great. And I'll, I'll talk a bit more 87 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,920 in a minute about your give a little campaign. 88 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,880 And I imagine that, you know, deciding to do something like 89 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,800 this gives it gives it a lot of meaning, but also gives you some 90 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,800 added strength in terms of how it will feel on the day, which I 91 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,920 know hasn't happened yet. But also just in terms of 92 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,160 persevering with the the training that it's like just 93 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,360 having that sense of purpose would be a huge motivator. 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,000 Like even when it feels hard and challenging on Sundays. 95 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Yeah. And I think, you know Phil, his 96 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,200 advice as well was to prepare for that. 97 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,120 He talks about the third quarter. 98 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:06,000 So, you know, I mean, I think you've talked to John Hancock or 99 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,640 there's there's lots of other podcasts around where he talks 100 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,160 about different things that he's done. 101 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Phil's talked about how he deals with that in terms of I think 102 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,440 mentally he goes over his rubbish bin rush or something 103 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,680 from when he was a kid. I can't do that. 104 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,840 Like I can't count. I can't, my brain is not there. 105 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,560 But if something's linked to a purpose for me, it's very 106 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,040 motivating. So in anticipation of 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,440 potentially getting to that point, that's it's a bit of 108 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,320 planning around that too. I know I have a purpose that's 109 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,440 bigger than just me. So can I carry on? 110 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,880 Let's carry on. Let's go to the next speed stop, 111 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,640 let's, you know, deal with the next half an hour of crappy 112 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,320 water or chop or whatever and just carry on and reassess at 113 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,160 that point. So there's a bit a little bit of 114 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,840 strategy involved there too. Yeah, I remember talking to Phil 115 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:58,280 has he's got his own episode at this podcast. 116 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:02,520 And I remember him talking about how, you know, every storm it is 117 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,520 different. And so he has to come up with a 118 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,400 different way to, I guess, sort of help help the swimmer get 119 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,400 from point A to point B And and that's that's different for 120 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,760 every single person. So like you said, some people 121 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 benefit from counting or thinking about something 122 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,200 repetitive and other people, you know, it's something else 123 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,120 completely, which I, I find really interesting. 124 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,840 And I, yeah, I can totally imagine how that would be the 125 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,280 case. So with with Phil Rush, does he 126 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,680 write your training program or is he more sort of the on the 127 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,120 day like how does it work with him? 128 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,720 So I think I'm not sure what he's done for other people. 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,960 I think he can be involved in terms of writing for me 130 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,680 particularly. I met with him really early on, 131 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,080 partly to go, is this even going to work? 132 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,200 But he really gave me the high points. 133 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,640 I do train in a squad with him as part of City Swim, so I see 134 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,680 him kind of once a week when he's not out on the straight or 135 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,600 whatever. But he gave me the high points, 136 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,360 you know, make sure you do a six hour swim beforehand, Try and 137 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,680 aim for this many kind of peak weeks leading up. 138 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,680 And then I kind of took that and with a little bit of help from 139 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,360 the likes of Britain, Vicki and my husband, who's also a trainer 140 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 and has lots of experience and altruism, things like that, kind 141 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,520 of worked on what a progressive program would look like, came up 142 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,559 with that kind of circulated amongst a few people. 143 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,039 When people say, yeah, you know, that that seems like it'll be 144 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:39,760 OK. And then that's what I've done. 145 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,720 So it's it's interesting because in this week of taper, that's 146 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,160 probably one of the hardest things to come to terms with is 147 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,840 have I done enough? I've delivered what I said I was 148 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,120 going to do. But I hope that what I said I 149 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,160 was going to do was sufficient for the end result. 150 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,600 And I just have to have faith that it will be and, and also a 151 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,840 bit of flexibility and I guess humble, be humble and 152 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,760 understanding that things will change and it'll go up and it'll 153 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,960 go down. And, you know, might turn out to 154 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,640 be a horrendous start off beautifully and then turned out 155 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,720 to be horrendous because that's what the weather gods want to do 156 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,400 and just go with it really. But I'm very clear that I've 157 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,040 delivered what I said I was going to do and I'm really proud 158 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,640 of that. You know, at times that's really 159 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,000 hard when you're a busy person and you have children and family 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,840 and work and all these other responsibilities. 161 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,880 So I'm really, I think that's why I'm really looking forward 162 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,560 to doing the swim. It's because that's just the 163 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,880 icing on the cake. Now I've done all this other 164 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 work and I've done the distance, which at the beginning I didn't 165 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,680 think I potentially was going to be able to do. 166 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,760 So that's really cool. So really so. 167 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,640 That's the ball in itself. Yeah. 168 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,680 That in itself is a big achievement, right? 169 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Just yeah. So when did you start your 170 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,120 training? Like, was this sort of a, an 171 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,920 official start time? And what what level were you 172 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,080 already at with your swimming when you started your program? 173 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,800 I was already swimming kind of three to four times a week, so 174 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:17,840 probably more like 3, but I'd been swimming quite consistently 175 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,160 for quite some time. And then I asked that to be 176 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,440 consistent at 4:00 until probably about July. 177 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,840 And then from then on it kind of ramped upwards from from July 178 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,320 onwards, July, August onwards. So, and it would generally 179 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,160 involve swimming in three squads a week and then individual 180 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,200 sessions. Since probably I would say 181 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,000 November, I've been swimming kind of six days a week. 182 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Partly that's because of my life and the structure and schedule. 183 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,200 I can't, as the distances got bigger, I couldn't necessarily 184 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,440 always swim one big block. So I had to break things up and 185 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,680 do mornings and afternoons and and so on. 186 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:14,600 So that Phil was instrumental there in terms of saying make 187 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,360 sure you do big distances, you know, back-to-back on a weekend 188 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,800 as we get closer. So you're swimming the next one, 189 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,160 fatigued, you're dealing with lactic acid, all of that sort of 190 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,280 stuff, which I think has really helped. 191 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:33,200 And I should ask with the the current situation in the harbour 192 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,960 with the unfortunate, so which lake has that, has that affected 193 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,800 your training? Are you? 194 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Not so much now, quite fortuitously, I think because 195 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,240 I'm mainly holding in a pool, so, and that's because it's the 196 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,760 lake and salt water gives you extra buoyancy. 197 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,240 So at this time I'm just trying to hold what little pace I have. 198 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,040 I'm not very fast. So what little ways I do have, 199 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:06,280 I'm trying to hold that and hold my aerobic endurance and 200 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,640 swimming pool essentially something lots of sessions at 201 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,640 tonight and I, which we're really lucky to have out here in 202 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,960 the Hut. And and also there are kind of 203 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,640 different summer pools which Wellington's blessed to have, I 204 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,600 think. Yeah, that's right. 205 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,160 And if you're comfortable sharing, is there a certain pace 206 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,640 that you have to hold, like what what is your sort of 100m pace 207 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,360 at the moment or is it over a long period? 208 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:40,320 I think about a 3.2 / a long period if we don't take into 209 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,520 account all itself. So so that that I fully expect 210 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,800 to be much slower than that over the whole distance. 211 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,280 And that's with it. It'll be what it'll be. 212 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,040 It'll be. It's more about the the 213 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,240 distance, isn't it then? Yeah, yeah. 214 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,440 It's not a race. Yeah. 215 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,640 And with the, I'm interested to know about the nutrition side of 216 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,160 things. And I imagine people listening 217 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,000 will be interested as well. Like it's there. 218 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,960 Are you given advice on what sort of food to eat while you're 219 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,640 training? And do you have sort of a plan 220 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,160 for what you're going to eat in the morning or the night before 221 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,440 the the day? Yeah. 222 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:24,080 So I think we're really blessed in our Wellington swim community 223 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,720 in terms of the amount of information that some of the 224 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:33,000 ultra swimmers have shared like Karina and Rebecca and John and 225 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,920 Brett and Becky, They're all very open in terms of saying, 226 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,560 you know, kind of this is what we did in terms of nutrition or 227 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:42,520 so on. So I've been very blessed and 228 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,080 that that formed a really good starting point in terms of what 229 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,480 nutrition over the event day might look like. 230 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:57,160 And then I was also lucky that my husband's cousin is a high 231 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,800 performance nutritionist for ultra runners in particular. 232 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,920 And so I reached out to her and says, you know, is there any 233 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,920 tips and guidance you can give me? 234 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,640 And I've worked with her quite consistently and that's been 235 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,680 more around making sure I get to now uninjured, healthy, happy, 236 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:23,080 able to sustain such a training load without my, you know, 237 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,880 immune system breaking down or suffering injuries. 238 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,240 So she's been able to really help me unpick. 239 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,040 I had like a missing lunch syndrome and a missing afternoon 240 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,080 tea syndrome, just busy didn't do it. 241 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,920 So and I had and I'd been like that for a really long time. 242 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,560 So, you know, all of a sudden I'm having to increase it my cab 243 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:51,800 kind of intake to make sure that I was fueling appropriately for 244 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,280 the swims that I was doing, you know, back-to-back and 245 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,760 back-to-back on the morning of. I am I'm planning on just 246 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,160 sticking to what I would normally have nothing that 247 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,520 upsets my stomach same the night before, but just as Phoebe would 248 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,560 say, increasing this doors of glycogen in my muscles. 249 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:16,600 So having a drink of juice with my dinner or having a yoghurt 250 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,640 with Maple syrup was her tip before I go to bed just to top 251 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,880 up those stores. So I'm starting from a kind of 252 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:30,120 full glycogen muscle fullness situation and then kind of 253 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,520 keeping their sports stuff going at regular intervals that that 254 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,640 next day. So gels, bliss balls, what else 255 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,560 are liquid fuel? So Tailwind, all those types of 256 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,920 things. I may also have Mama and chippy 257 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,040 sandwiches. It's on my fielding list. 258 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,400 I don't know how Phil's going to go with that. 259 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,640 But anyway, he said I could have one, so that's what I want. 260 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,480 But such a Kiwi thing, isn't it? That's cool. 261 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,720 Yeah. I've heard other swimmers talk 262 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,440 talk about needing some sort of reward, like when they're sort 263 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,800 of almost at the end of the swim and it can be something 264 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,040 completely random, but just something for them to look 265 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,920 forward to. And. 266 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Yeah. And something I think different, 267 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,200 I'm anticipating, and Phoebe's talked to me about it, and other 268 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,720 swimmers have talked to me about it around, you know, you're 269 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,840 taking on so much sweet stuff because basically all your fuel 270 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,840 over the course of the day is just sugar, sugar, sugar. 271 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,440 And that becomes really fatiguing in your mouth even, 272 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,600 you know, doing 6 hours of it was enough. 273 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,680 So figuring out what you can take to kind of cleanse that 274 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,680 palate quickly as well as being that's probably been a 275 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,840 challenge. I've supported my husband 276 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,680 through ultra running and in a way that's easier for them 277 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,680 because you can say, would you like the salt mini sandwich or 278 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,320 would you like this Marmite thing? 279 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,960 Or and they can choose be kind of don't have the ability when 280 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,160 you're being feed from a boat at 30 minute intervals and it's all 281 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,680 kind of planned out so. Yeah, we'll see how and and 282 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,200 they're not allowed to the people on the boat aren't 283 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,000 allowed to touch you like it's part of the the rules of the the 284 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,800 distance swimming. So how do you receive a 285 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:13,680 sandwich? I've got actually actually here. 286 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,760 So so like Tupperware container? Tupperware containers and the 287 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,640 lid. This is Vicky Tates. 288 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,160 So who's great. Thanks Vicky. 289 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,400 You know the lids attached and then that get us attached to a 290 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,760 rope. So open, shut in. 291 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,840 Probably won't be very elegant to be fair. 292 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,720 Just shove it in and then keep going. 293 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,000 Hopefully that's it then. Having an attached lid, that's 294 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,760 genius. Sometimes it's, it's a little 295 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,640 things, right? That. 296 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,480 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's. 297 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,720 Cool. And you mentioned earlier, you 298 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,360 know, the importance of being flexible when you're preparing 299 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,880 for a big swim. And so I know that you have a 300 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,360 weather window or sort of a like a week or so. 301 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,000 You can't plan the exact day that this one will happen yet. 302 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,080 It depends on the conditions. And so how does that work? 303 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,920 Like are you, are you sort of on standby for a week or so? 304 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,200 You get the call from Phil, you get up to Taupo, and then the 305 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,040 next day you start. Is that how it works? 306 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,600 Yeah, I think so. So I'm on standby effectively 307 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,920 now, which for me also includes packing my children's camp 308 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:27,200 clothing, all sorts of. But bags are packed, food is 309 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,880 ready, planners did it, done all of that. 310 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,680 I understand that Phil will just ring me and kind of say, OK, the 311 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,000 weather looks good for the day after tomorrow, Get yourself out 312 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,640 to Tapo tomorrow. I do know that other swims 313 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,480 swimmers sometimes go and stay up there, but that's an option 314 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,280 for me. So yeah, get yourself to Tapo 315 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,560 tomorrow and we'll go the next day. 316 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,440 So there's been a way bit of logistical planning at my end, 317 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,160 you know, working family. But hopefully it will all come 318 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,640 together. Fingers crossed yeah, 319 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,440 flexibility, I think I'm not focusing on the weather now. 320 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,520 I can't control it. It's completely out of my 321 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,360 control. It's all up to those gods and 322 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,280 fell as to when I go. So I'm just continuing to swim, 323 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,480 making sure I'm hydrated. I'm sure I'm having still having 324 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,160 lots of carbs, trying to just make sure that those bits that I 325 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,240 can control all are all ticked and ready to go and then yeah, 326 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,200 hopefully the call will come and I'll get to go. 327 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,720 And if it doesn't allow, I can't do that either. 328 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,200 I can't control that either. So you just got to be flexible 329 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 and. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, that's a 330 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,400 good way to think about it. And I imagine as a Wellingtonian 331 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,600 as well with that, you're very used to training in all sorts of 332 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,240 different conditions. So cold in the winter you'd be 333 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,680 swimming with breath before sunrise and 10° water. 334 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,840 And also in Wellington we get the chop from the prevalent 335 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,920 northwesterlies and Oriental Bay. 336 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,920 Was that something you were already doing before you started 337 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:05,600 training for this or have you had to sort of do do more of 338 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,720 that sort of thing it? Wasn't something I started off 339 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,960 doing, it was probably about trying to think. 340 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,360 Now probably about 20-4 months ago, maybe a little bit longer 341 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,080 than that, I decided I dropped my wet suit. 342 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:23,400 So I got to the end of 1 summer and I think it's Adrian and 343 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,360 James have been talking about the freedom of not swimming in a 344 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:30,920 wet suit and I thought oh right, crack on, I'll give that a go. 345 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:34,280 And ended up swimming through that whole winter and really 346 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,680 loved it. I think there's something so 347 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,760 exhilarating about free freezing initially and then and then 348 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,520 coming in it. So it does sound a bit sick 349 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,680 doesn't it? Does sound like. 350 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,680 But yeah, there is something really amazing about that. 351 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,840 So I've been doing that for quite some time, I guess, and 352 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,120 it's kind of just become a new normal. 353 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,080 The really early morning swims with Brett. 354 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,560 I don't like my morning sleep. So that's something that kind of 355 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,120 has only come about kind of this summer. 356 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,200 As such. I'd swam with swam with him for 357 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,480 a long time, but perhaps not that early, early it was. 358 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,440 But I love it. It's it's so good and it works 359 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,520 for me, family life and, you know, I tried to make it as less 360 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,440 impactful as possible. So yeah, that's been good. 361 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,720 And how do you find swimming in the dark and sea? 362 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:32,040 I actually have only done that a couple of times and yeah, I 363 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:37,120 really enjoy it, which I'm, I don't think lots of people do. 364 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,200 I do, to be fair, I don't know if I would in the open ocean 365 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,000 that might be a bit, I might start worrying about what's 366 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,320 beneath me or not. But in the harbour, no problems 367 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,360 whatsoever. One thing I tend to ask people 368 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,000 often is because I, I'm sort of getting better at swimming in 369 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,760 the chop, but it's still quite a challenge for me in the sea. 370 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,760 So how do you find the, you know, keeping your streamline 371 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,880 and breathing when the waves are sort of all over the show and 372 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,520 and it's a washing machine kind of a day? 373 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,400 I don't know. I really enjoy it. 374 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,840 So I spent a lot of time in my end of youth, so my late teenage 375 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:24,040 years in the surf out north and I really, really do enjoy it. 376 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,520 I like swimming into the chop rather than a following. 377 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,200 Is it called a following sea basically? 378 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,800 I think so. I'm not, I'm not so good at 379 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:31,960 that. I don't have the core strength, 380 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,000 can't keep myself, can't keep myself straight. 381 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,400 I think, yeah, you know, Bob would say making sure your arms 382 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,280 are a bit higher and you're driving in your stroke rate 383 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,480 probably increases a bit more and you're really driving in a 384 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,640 bit shorter, which is something I've had to work on anyway. 385 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,760 I did have a shoulder kniggle. So I kind of, I used to glide a 386 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,160 wee bit too much. So I've tried to shorten that 387 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,400 up. So similar to that, I think is, 388 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,960 is kind of the, the advice. I don't know whether it was I 389 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,760 just get out there and get into it basically and learn to learn 390 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,800 to swim. I learn to learning to breathe 391 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,040 bilaterally. I think that's the other key, 392 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,960 right? If so, that then if you're 393 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,240 getting smashed in the face by, you know, horrible Wellington 394 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,880 Harbor chop, then. Do you have another option? 395 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,960 Yeah, yeah, same baby with that. Yeah, yeah. 396 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,200 So you mentioned you were, you were getting in the sea as a 397 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,200 teenager and then did you, did you sort of have a break before 398 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,600 you got back into swimming later in life or have you been getting 399 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,600 in the sea the your whole adult life? 400 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,240 No, so I knew to swim as a kid. I didn't competitively swim. 401 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,520 I think I did a couple of chocolate fish rices. 402 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,120 I grew up in the North White Kettle thank primarily. 403 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,200 I learned to swim so I didn't drown. 404 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,400 I grew up on a farm so I didn't drown in the Creek or in a 405 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,480 through. There's a chocolate fish race 406 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,200 where you get a chocolate. Fish for yeah, it's like an all 407 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,800 comers. I used to be up there. 408 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,800 It used to be like an all comers carnival. 409 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,360 So kids that pets had been through the learn to swim 410 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,160 program and who had kind of that next step of in a squad, but 411 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,320 maybe not competitive. So not trying to kind of go to 412 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,800 what do they call them division ones or just that. 413 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,080 So that was kind of me. And then I stopped swimming like 414 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,520 that because I played another sport and that took over all of 415 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,080 my time. So I didn't kind of swim meaning 416 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,560 more than that. I spent a lot of time in the 417 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:39,040 surf, primarily because I had friends that surfed and so I 418 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,400 really enjoyed just being out and being with them. 419 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,000 I didn't serve so much but liked being out there. 420 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,960 And then I came back to swimming and kind of the mastery of 421 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,760 technique of swimming. I think that's a bit that I 422 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,520 really like that continual seeking of mastery of 423 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,400 improvement. Kind of came back to that 424 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:07,000 probably about Howard's Latina 8 probably about nine years ago or 425 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,920 eight years, no, seven years ago after my the birth of my second 426 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,520 child. And then, yeah, I was really 427 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,240 lucky that I met someone who swam with Bob's crew. 428 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:25,520 We did a swim round Matthew Psalms and he turned out to be 429 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,840 my neighbor. I just moved into a new house. 430 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,160 He convinced me to go to Barb's squad. 431 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,760 And then it's kind of just blossomed from near. 432 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,080 The Wellington swim community is so amazing. 433 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,200 And yeah, I've just kind of found a crew of people that I 434 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840 really enjoy swimming with. They've got really similar kind 435 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,640 of interests and we're all from different kind of walks of life, 436 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,880 but we like adventure swims and and things like that. 437 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,000 So yeah, it's been great to come back to that kind of community 438 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,440 side of swimming. It's awesome. 439 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,160 And you get inspired by the people around you, right? 440 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,040 Like no matter what level you are, if you see other people 441 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,320 doing things that sort of plant a seed, like you said earlier, 442 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,960 or, you know, you think, oh, that's cool. 443 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,800 And then you think, oh, maybe I could do something like that. 444 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,240 And then, yeah, it just sort of grows from there, doesn't it? 445 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Yeah, and I think something I really love about our community 446 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,240 is that it doesn't matter what your goal is. 447 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,760 So it doesn't matter if your goal is to swim to the pontoon 448 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,360 and back or to, you know, the big one for lots of people is 449 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,200 making it to that lighthouse, you know, and, and everyone is 450 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,360 really supportive of that in terms of, you know, there's no 451 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,280 kind of underlying competitiveness or anything like 452 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,000 that with with the cruise that I swim with anyway. 453 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,200 And that's really awesome to just as we wholesome to want to 454 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,600 see people succeed, and that's cool. 455 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,120 Yeah, it's such a good, it's such a good vibe, doesn't it? 456 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,520 Yeah. To, you know, go have coffee 457 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,600 with people afterwards. And people say, you know, how is 458 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,360 your swim? And. 459 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,000 Yeah. And no matter how far you've 460 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,120 gone, people, that's awesome. You know, this. 461 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,200 That sounds really good. I think something we've noticed 462 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,160 because we come in, you know, when often lots of barbs crews 463 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,120 going out is the growth in numbers because now I've run 464 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,520 with the, you know, your pink tail, whatever it is, your float 465 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,480 toe float. Yep, Yep, mine's pink and we 466 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,760 call it my pink tail. You know, seeing there used to 467 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,200 be a handful, but now there are so many that come out because 468 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,520 we're coming back into it and it's so great to see. 469 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,360 That's so good to see. Even if it creates a bit of 470 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,640 slalom swimming, you know, coming back in it. 471 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,720 Yeah, really awesome. All different types of people 472 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,080 getting to just love it, love being in the ocean, and that's 473 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,720 fantastic. If you're just going for a fun 474 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,360 swim without any sort of distance or goal in mind in 475 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,000 Wellington, but where's your favorite place to swim? 476 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,680 I really used to like scorching day, which is interesting 477 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720 because I live in the Hut. I really like wolf jumping with 478 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,520 my kids off the Eastbourne Wharf. 479 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720 That's been a ritual that we've done after days by wolf. 480 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,560 We've done that every every year since they were quite little. 481 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,880 I think recently though, the top thing for me would be you have 482 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,160 to be a bit, wee bit of a swimmer to, well, you do have to 483 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,120 be a swimmer to do it. But as a Bay swim from Shelley 484 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,120 Bay around to into Tahibay, we've done that twice this 485 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:30,280 season and I love it, absolutely love it. 486 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,160 How far is that? It's I think it's about 5 487 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,320 kilometers and it is a bit challenging, I guess in terms of 488 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,320 because it does feel very exposed when you're going round 489 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,360 the point. But if you're with the right 490 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200 group of experienced swimmers and so on and you've got all 491 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,320 that safety stuff too, it's it's a really great swim because 492 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,760 there's big cow forest, there's fish, there's an amazing drop 493 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,520 off at different points as well where it just kind of drops off 494 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,920 and it's like the cook straights, this beautiful blue 495 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,720 color and so crystal clear. Yeah, phenomenal. 496 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,640 We're really blessed to have those sorts of environments and 497 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,200 so hopefully Wellington Water gets its stuffed tea there and 498 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,160 winds up that mess. Exactly. 499 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,000 Yeah, yesterday I swam in Plummeton with Bob's. 500 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,200 Group. Oh yeah. 501 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,800 Yeah. Cool. 502 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,600 Yeah. Did you enjoy it? 503 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,840 Yeah. I loved it. 504 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Yeah. I hadn't swam out there before 505 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,000 and it was lovely. Yeah. 506 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,040 And so we might at some point swam in Tea Tahi Bay as well, 507 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,280 which I hope. Yeah, you should. 508 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,200 It's cool. We were talking just about how 509 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000 cool it is to swim in a different location, you know, 510 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,600 just good for the brain and and it just yeah, you know, we all 511 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,160 love Oriental Bay, but there's just something special about 512 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,040 swimming in a different area. Some people for the first time 513 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880 that you see, you see the world and you see you're sitting in a 514 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,280 different way. Yeah. 515 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,760 And I thank you also get to experience different coffee 516 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,240 shops. Is that a good thing to? 517 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,880 Yes, yes. Yeah, we did that as well. 518 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080 Yeah, I'm very good. Wonderful experience. 519 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,440 This summer is my my trip to doing Taupo really has been 520 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:21,000 made-up of so many highs that no matter what happens, I'm super 521 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440 sorry to have got this far. Like earlier this summer we swam 522 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,160 with dolphins and Tatahi Bay. And, you know, I don't mean they 523 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240 worry they will. They were swimming in and under 524 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880 our arms and, like, that was phenomenal. 525 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Just so amazing. And lots of Stingrays and stuff 526 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680 like that. So yeah. 527 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,400 Very much incredible. Yeah. 528 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,160 Cool. Very. 529 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,280 Experiences like that, you just don't forget, right? 530 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,800 That's just part of the the magic of the sea. 531 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,480 Yeah. I was going to ask who's going 532 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,800 to be with you for the like top or swim? 533 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,720 Like who's going to be on the support boat? 534 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,840 And yeah, is that all planned or does it sort of depend on what 535 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,640 day you go? Now I've been really lucky and 536 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,280 that I've got a core group of good mates now. 537 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:13,360 So Brett's coming and Vicky is coming as well, which I'm hugely 538 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,800 indebted to them because they have lives. 539 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,080 This is, you know, this is my folly, albeit for really good 540 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,840 reasons as well, but you know, and it's hard for them to carry 541 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,800 that uncertainty of is it going to be this or is it going to be 542 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,640 that and their workloads and so on. 543 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,960 So they're coming along with a really good long time friend of 544 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,120 mine, Kate, and I played sport with her. 545 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400 That's how I initially met her. So she's saying me at my best 546 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,280 and at my worst. So my cousin might be at my 547 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:45,840 worst. So. 548 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,520 So that's good. My husband would have been on 549 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,040 the boat, but my youngest has a school camp that he is going to, 550 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,320 so right in the middle of the window, unfortunately. 551 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,320 So he is on ground crew if he can come. 552 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,280 Yeah, which which is good. So it's a bit sad in a way that 553 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,240 he can't be there, but it's just a timing thing, unfortunately. 554 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,880 Yeah, yeah. And this, this might be a good 555 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,680 time to talk about. You'll give a little page 556 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,320 because you are already fundraising for Dementia New 557 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,160 Zealand. So before you swim during and 558 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,160 assume a little bit after. Yeah. 559 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,520 So I will link to the give a little page in the show notes 560 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,320 and I will link to your Instagram page, which has swim 561 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,680 under score dicor where you're updating and sharing pictures of 562 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,520 your preparations and and everything I liked with the give 563 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,480 a little page, how people can do just a one off donation or they 564 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,200 can also pledge per Is it per kilometer per stark? 565 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880 Per kilometer and probably per Happy Stark might be back 566 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,520 random, but yeah, per kilometer, per hour. 567 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,480 And we thought that was, you know, a bit old school in terms 568 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,320 of going back to your kind of famine kind of days. 569 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,800 That'll make it a little bit interesting. 570 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,160 I've got some friends who are doing a wager on how long it's 571 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,080 going to take me, provided I can do it. 572 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,600 But yeah, that's that's kind of the options. 573 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880 Yeah, that's a good idea. And yeah. 574 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,280 So Kiwis from the 80s will remember the 40 Hour Famine. 575 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,720 I remember it from my childhood. Yeah. 576 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,560 Where people sponsor you and pay per. 577 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,040 I think it was per hour per. Hour. 578 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,800 I think, yeah, yeah. Where we could eat lollies and 579 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,760 yeah, that's right, yeah. So I just have a look through my 580 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,840 list and see what else is going to ask. 581 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,880 Yeah, I think this, as well as this being the, like I said 582 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,840 before, a bit of a personal journey, a personal growth thing 583 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,720 for me, because that's fascist. Face it, You wouldn't sign up to 584 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,040 do something like that if you weren't motivated in that kind 585 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,560 of way. You're either mad or, you know, 586 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,440 want that, probably a bit of both. 587 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,280 But also it really has been a great opportunity to talk about 588 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,239 dementia and how much of an effect that has not only on 589 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,600 people who are diagnosed with it, but also families and 590 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,679 caregivers. And actually the ripple effect 591 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:29,560 that happens, like I said, with with Dave, his daughter Lorna is 592 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,360 a really close friend of mine and I really didn't know how to 593 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,920 support her and her journey with her dad. 594 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,120 And then so if we can have the conversations about, you know, 595 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,560 yes, it's not something that's just kind of over there has this 596 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,639 really long term effect for people that really does append 597 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:57,800 lots of things in people's lives, both their relationships, 598 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,880 potentially with their parents or their loved ones, but also, 599 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,880 you know, their work life, their ability to parent, their ability 600 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,680 to just be social, everything that those ripple effects are 601 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,040 enormous. So, you know, if if me doing 602 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,640 something crazy enables people to kind of have those 603 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,080 conversations with their friends or their colleagues or whatever, 604 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,800 then that's a real win for me. Like irrespective of whether we 605 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,120 raise money or don't raise money, since I've been doing it, 606 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,800 it's been amazing to me how many people I work with, for example, 607 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,200 who have been touched by dementia, either because of a 608 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:42,600 parent or they're actually going through it now or yeah, it is, 609 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,160 you know, over 70,000 New Zealanders are affected by it. 610 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,520 And I don't think that includes the ripple effect. 611 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,000 You know, and it's, it's going to get more and more prevalent 612 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,600 as our society gets older. So yeah, you know, within our 613 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,160 groups of friends, having those discussions now around kind of 614 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,760 ways to support and so on, I think is really valuable. 615 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480 I was going to say, it touches a lot of people's lives, doesn't 616 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,240 it, in New Zealand. And I know what you mean about 617 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,000 the ripple effect. How? 618 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,920 Yeah. Knowing people who are impacted 619 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,840 or who have dementia, yeah. Being able to talk about it and 620 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,520 support other people is massive. And I noticed that, sorry. 621 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,200 I think the other thing for me that perhaps I knew it at some 622 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,080 sort of, you know, very superficial level was actually 623 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,720 how preventable potentially these things, maybe there's no 624 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,120 cure, right? But similarly to lots of other 625 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,360 things, the more active you can be, the, the more you can look 626 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,600 after your brain health, which to me, I prior to kind of doing 627 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,120 deep dives on some of the stuff as part of this journey, I 628 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,920 wouldn't have really had that much of an idea about how to do, 629 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,520 you know what that would mean in terms of, OK, so if I'm, if I'm 630 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000 exercising every day, does that actually have a good effect on 631 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,840 my brain? Like, OK, maybe I'm a bit 632 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,160 stupid, but but I didn't really put those toe and toes either. 633 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,880 We we talk about physical health in terms of, you know, diabetes 634 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,320 and cardiovascular risk and things like that, but not 635 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,600 necessarily the link I think between brain health and 636 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,920 exercise and stuff like that. So. 637 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,840 Yeah, I was reading the Dementia New Zealand website earlier and 638 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,800 I noticed that they said that and I'll link to the website in 639 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,840 the show notes as well. So. 640 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,360 Yeah, that'll be more about it. Yeah, I noticed that they 641 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,360 they've covered your swim or they've. 642 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,400 Yeah, they've talked about your song and their social media. 643 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,600 Yeah. Have you had other media 644 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,280 attention about this or are you anticipating apart from the Swim 645 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,240 Shots podcast? Well, you are very lucky here, 646 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:52,360 Shona Dementia and it's a way we didn't do this. 647 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,600 So this is the fundraising side of it. 648 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,280 Is Lorna and I together? So Lorna is the one I talked 649 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,680 about before, my long term family friend, the daughter and 650 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,680 I couldn't have done this part of it without her. 651 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,840 And like there is the dementia stuff, but there is also the 652 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,560 personal stuff in it. Ted, you know, this is not just 653 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,360 my swim, this is my family swim. They've been sacrificing a huge 654 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,880 amount to help me to have the time and the ability to do this 655 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,840 as well. So I don't want to devalue that 656 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,880 sacrifice that they've made by not putting my right focus where 657 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,000 my focus needs to be in the next 10 days. 658 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,480 Which other than talking to you is, you know, about making sure 659 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,520 I'm rested and hydrated and I've taken care of my professional 660 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600 life and you know, all of that sort of stuff. 661 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,080 So I'm in the best place to give it a, a really good shot because 662 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,360 they did give up stuff. You know, my kids gave up early 663 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,640 mornings, cuddles for a long time. 664 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,440 They gave up me falling asleep on the couch and being a bit of 665 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,040 a grouchy mum from time to time when I was absolutely knackered, 666 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,560 which, you know, I want to honor their sacrifice as well as the 667 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,600 effort that I've put in, yeah. I love, I love that I've got 668 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,560 kids too and just, yeah, talking about kids and yeah, I feel like 669 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,440 even though I'm not a long distance swimmer, my kids still 670 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,160 sort of put up with me getting and my husband. 671 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,920 So yeah, I really love that to acknowledge the family and yeah, 672 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,360 the people around June. Yeah. 673 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,840 I definitely couldn't have done it without him. 674 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,000 You know, it's taken a lot of time and effort and just keeping 675 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,880 our lives ticking along has been a big challenge. 676 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,000 And it's not just my immediate family that some really good 677 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,800 friends as well who've, you know, said, look, if you need me 678 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,840 to pick up the kids or whatever. And they've been, they've been 679 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,320 more than happy and I'm really grateful for that. 680 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,240 So I need to keep that front and center as well I think. 681 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:02,000 I bet they're super proud of you as well. 1. 682 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400 Day maybe. No, they are yeah, my my 11 year 683 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,680 old made me this great. She's only just kind of learning 684 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,760 to use devices and she's just made this great slideshow that's 685 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,000 this motivational. Like mum, you have to say you 686 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,240 can do it, you can swim cowboy mum and it's like there's six 687 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,480 slides or something in it and she's just, you know, she's 688 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,920 really into it. And they both swim. 689 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,840 And so my Christmas present from them was they swim by swim zone 690 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,200 out here in the Hut and John, who's awesome, they approached 691 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600 him and they got AI should have had it with me. 692 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,160 They, they got a customized swim kit with, we've got a schnauzer 693 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,680 with a schnauzer on the one side and, and like they gave me a 694 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,040 nickname and it's got a nickname on the other side. 695 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,960 And so it's definitely been a journey that they've, they've 696 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,640 really got into as well. They love putting their fins on 697 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480 and doing a kick set with me, which I can't keep up with 698 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480 anymore. That's a bit of a problem, but 699 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,520 yeah, they're definitely have been part of it, yeah. 700 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,280 I love that support and I love the idea of the customized Swan 701 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120 kit as well. I don't know if I'm going to be 702 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,640 able to wear it though, they asked the other day. 703 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,560 Because I think it's a bit might be a bit, it might be a bit too 704 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,680 warm. So you can have it with you on 705 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,600 the support? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 706 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,240 And last question I was going to ask is, do you know, you've 707 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,680 talked about the physical training and you've got the, you 708 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,880 know, you seem to be at pace, just knowing that you've put in 709 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,560 the work, you've done everything that's in your control and now 710 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,760 it's sort of up to, you know, up to what happens next. 711 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:43,000 But do you have a mental, a sort of a mental routine that you 712 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,400 will go through that you've sort of planned for the morning of 713 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,880 the swim or the night before? We just sort of get yourself 714 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,000 into the right mindset for this one. 715 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,600 Yes. So I think if I can take you 716 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,720 back a bit to go forward a bit, I'm very much of an advocate of 717 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:10,680 a sports psychologist who I I think I met when I was young for 718 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,120 playing another sport and then rear kind of reacquainted myself 719 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:23,040 with as I was older. And so that's DJ and he talks 720 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,840 about like baking a cake, essentially figuring it out, 721 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,720 figuring out what success is and then what the ingredients of 722 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:36,600 that success are. And then at the end of that, and 723 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,960 I'm hugely simplifying this. And at the end of the day, 724 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,840 whatever the event is, whatever the whatever it is, you've done 725 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200 all that work. And that really resonated with 726 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,000 me because I have. And so irrespective, that was 727 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,280 the goal. So irrespective of what happens 728 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,320 is like, yeah, I really want to do it and I'm going to work my 729 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,960 back off hopefully to make it happen on the day. 730 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,480 But I'm OK with it because I've done all of this. 731 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,680 And that's just that really is the icing on the cake. 732 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,680 He talks about baking it and then you can have all the 733 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,720 sprinkles and you know, icing and whatever after that. 734 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,400 So that's really good. In terms of the beforehand, the 735 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,560 immediate beforehand, I kind of want it to replicate what I 736 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,040 normally like to be. I don't want to. 737 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,440 I don't I. Don't need to make it more than 738 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,520 it is. I'd like to do a bit of quiet 739 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,960 reflection beforehand, but mentally I've been kind of 740 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,880 mentally trying as we've gone along, like if I've had a 741 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,360 position to join. I've been feeling a bit rubbish. 742 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,760 Rather than making it easier, I've tried to make it harder. 743 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,760 So I'm in the hat, you know, I'm in a grind in something and I'm 744 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,240 doing a session and it's not going well and it's feeling like 745 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,000 the grind off on. OK, let's flip it, let's do 746 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,880 something harder so that then when I get out of I've got that 747 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960 mentally I can unpack if I need it on the day. 748 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,640 OK, I've been here before. I know what this feels like 749 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:08,800 hopefully, and I can just keep chugging through a bit of quiet 750 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,200 reflection. I do have a bit of a reputation 751 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,840 of being a massive swearer when I first get in if it's cold, 752 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,600 which makes me always feel bad because of my friends that I 753 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,720 generally swim with who don't swear, but I tend to have a bit 754 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,760 of a sailor's so I'll probably get in and swear like crazy. 755 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,160 Yeah, just let it out. They. 756 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,600 Try to convince me so often it's all in the mind, don't say it's 757 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,880 cold, etcetera. But I think I just have to go 758 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,400 through that period of whinge first and then I'm and then I'm 759 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,920 happy and off, off I go. Doesn't Just because I'm winging 760 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,880 doesn't mean I'm not going to do it. 761 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,360 I'm just going to. I just need to offload the 762 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,280 whinge first, yeah? And have that, that sort of 763 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,200 physical response to the, you know, the water and yeah. 764 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,240 And then just carry on. And that cathartic feeling, 765 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,680 right? Like, yeah, I mean, by the time 766 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,640 I always think about our Angel, by the time are you to the raft, 767 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,880 you can't feel anything anywhere. 768 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:13,560 Half time. Phil has warned me about weed, I 769 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,640 think at the beginning, but I'm not, I don't think, who knows? 770 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,720 I'm not really that worried. I'm not going to overthink it. 771 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,120 I just carry on. I'm expecting to be a little bit 772 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,600 antsy that first bit, but he's so experienced with swimmers 773 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,960 that I'm sure he's got ways of, you know, allowing me to settle 774 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,960 down if I need to or giving me an extra feed or, or not or, you 775 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,960 know, just so I can get in some sort of rhythm well. 776 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,120 Thank you so much for your time, Danielle, for you're welcome 777 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,240 sharing your your training and your preparations with me and 778 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,280 with my Christmas. As I mentioned, I'll I'll like 779 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,960 to swim type or your Instagram. I'll link to Dimension New 780 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,920 Zealand and you'll give a little page when you have a tracker on 781 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,320 the day. Most on the same to yeah. 782 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,520 Yeah. So I'm going to have a track. 783 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,760 Well, yeah, tracker on the day which technology allowing will 784 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:18,680 pin to the swim top or page and also to the website because some 785 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,120 of my older friends don't have Instagram. 786 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,200 But it was the easiest way to kind of, you know, let people 787 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,240 know. So hopefully that will all be 788 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,560 visible for people if they're so interested and they want to 789 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:38,880 watch a dot for quite some time. Some surprisingly for for a 790 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,840 small dot, you know, as I'm sure you've followed along with other 791 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,040 people when especially when you know the person. 792 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,360 Yeah, it's it's pretty exciting to check back in regularly and 793 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,200 be like all the dots. Moved, you know, Yeah, yeah, I 794 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,600 remember Brett's well, both his cook and his Bobo, actually. 795 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200 And I had multi screening in my office. 796 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,080 I think it didn't even like towards the end, I wasn't even 797 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,720 watching the work screen. I'm just watching this stuff 798 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,480 like come on, come on, you can do it. 799 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,680 You know, you get so invested, like come, please keep swimming. 800 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,320 And there's lots of chat going on, which is really nice. 801 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,800 Yeah, that's really awesome. Well, yeah. 802 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,040 Oh, it was a pleasure talking to you today, Daniel. 803 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,160 And all the best for your big swan. 804 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,520 Thank you and I hope that we get to meet in person. 805 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,400 I'm going to when I swim. I'm sure we will show now. 806 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,160 Show now. I have a pink toe flirt too so 807 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:34,160 we can look out for each other. Thanks for listening to this 808 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,120 episode of Swim Chats. 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