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A mythical little creature, a 
short acne faced child and those

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scary ass things from the movie 
Gremlins. 

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These phrases are all used to 
describe the slang term gremlin 

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from Urban Dictionary. 
Well, what the hell does that 

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mean for anime character? 
A rowdy Sundere? 

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A lovable Yonder, a even? 
I don't know. 

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And that's what we're here to 
find out to discuss the ground 

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works of an anime gremlin. 
Joining me today is the 

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inspiration of this episode, the
podcast Gremlin himself. 

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We got Miles Miles. 
So you sparked this idea in my 

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head, but how did you get the 
idea of discussing anime 

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gremlins in your head? 
So can you refresh my memory 

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really quick because I forget 
what we were discussing which, 

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but I think it might have just 
been a couple of seasons ago. 

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Last year maybe. 
We had a lot of characters that 

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fit the vague idea of a gremlin.
And I started to want to think 

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about like the origin of these 
characters and like a family 

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tree sort of thing. 
You could do that sort of with 

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soon to raise relatively easily 
where you have like Oscar being 

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like a a boom of life to that. 
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the past you can think of. 
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that that continue like Taiga, 
you know, you could trace these 

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inspirational characters. 
I wanted to see if that was 

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possible with Gremlins. 
And so, you know, I, I like 

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being, I like doing the research
on this, you know, I, I wanted 

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to try to figure this out. 
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got to me. 
As we'll find out in this. 

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I I don't we'll figure it out as
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you thinking about first year? 
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And sort of we came, I think we 
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this idea last year specifically
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characters that we were 
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We even created our own category
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best Gremlin. 
We always like to add some like 

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fun categories in there and 
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But then we got to discussing 
like is this character a 

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gremlin? 
Like it doesn't really fit the 

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bold of what we think of gremlin
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And then you go online and it's 
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How do you would you describe 
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And there's like 40 different 
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People were throwing out answers
to their favorite gremlins. 

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And I was like, I don't know if 
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And that got me thinking even 
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I was like, what if there's 
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So that's something that we are 
going to discuss in this 

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episode. 
But I just love the idea of sort

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of like this new, I don't know 
if it's like a wave of character

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because they've been around 
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However, I feel like the recent 
surge of gremlins sparked this 

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for both of us. 
And maybe it's going to be a 

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character trop that we're going 
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going forward. 
Because I think it's a great 

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tool and a great character to 
sort of cut tension with and 

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have like comedic effect. 
And we've got a lot of really 

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good gremlins in the last couple
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So I, I, when Miles pitched this
idea to me, I said, Yo, let's do

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this in nine months because I'm 
going to forget. 

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And then we can research it a 
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we'll talk about it. 
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going to be doing today is we 
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of what we think a gremlin is or
gremlin adjacent. 

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And we're going to give our 
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think is those characters are 
categorized as along with shout 

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to our Discord, giving us a huge
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want to hear us discuss whether 
and where we would like put them

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into our own category. 
We are also at the end going to 

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do our Mount Rushmore of 
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And I will say this is our 
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what we think like the overall 
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sure there are some gremlins 
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that are great. 
Neither of us have seen it. 

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So that's sort of like what 
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to do this. 
Once you gave me the idea, I was

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like, there is an untapped 
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Let's get to it, Mile. 
Yes, absolutely. 

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Really quick, Pete. 
Yeah. 

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Do you know where the term 
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If I'm going to take a guess, 
it's from the movie Gremlins. 

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OK, so we're off by. 
I'm off by about 1000 years. 

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Few decades. 
So it was used by the Royal Air 

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Force, like the British Royal 
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It's like an imaginary 
mysterious creature that would 

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cause issues with their planes 
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And part of it was that it 
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keep morale high. 
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issue was just gremlins. 
Let's all work together, you 

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know? 
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sort of when you're doing all 
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know the cause of things. 
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creatures, you know, were 
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So I don't know if you have seen
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episode where the man is on the 
plane and sees the creature like

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Messing. 
With the on the wing and nobody 

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believes them correct? 
Yes, I have. 

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Yes. 
OK, See, Yeah. 

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You thought you weren't going to
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talking about this, but you had.
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movie Gremlin, so yes. 
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Is a gremlin. 
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like his name is Roald Dahl. 
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Peach, the BFG. 
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called the Gremlins. 
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and them sabotaging planes 
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But then eventually they they 
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whatever. 
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it into a plane that's crazy or 
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But that's sort of like the 
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And then obviously the the 1980s
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since it's called Gremlins. 
Yes, and it's a great movie too.

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Don't watch Gremlins too though,
that movie is trash. 

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OK, so do you want to dive into 
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Yeah, let's, let's hear what we 
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Want to go first or do you want 
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Because mine is going to be a 
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I'm not super long, but I don't 
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is. 
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is going to be I've got like a 
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The thought process for getting 
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OK, how about I go and then 
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bounce off of me. 
Great, sounds cool. 

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OK, so this is my personal 
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what I categorize as characters 
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At a core, the gremlin must have
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time. 
Whether it's acting or planning,

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the day of the life of a gremlin
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fence and freshly cut lawn 
fantasy that we perceive in our 

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minds. 
We need clothes on the floor and

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we need a dirty welcome mat. 
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doesn't necessarily mean it's a 
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It is a real life equivalent of 
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Where a person's tolerance of a 
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level of entertainment to the 
world while normally 

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inconveniencing but not harming 
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people. 
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commonly align this to chaotic 
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Common physical attributes of 
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not limited to being small. 
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shark teeth and the look of 
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responsibilities. 
General traits of a gremlin. 

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time, and they need to be a 
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Their repercussions for their 
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minor. 
It can't be significant, it 

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can't be getting put into 
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along those lines. 
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it's like a slap on the wrist of
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lines with these gremlins. 
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Poor timing, overly outgoing or 
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times they're pretty damn smug. 
I will say gremlins are normally

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girl characters, however they 
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Just right now I think the mat 
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girl gremlins, but we're going 
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of some male counterparts. 
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picked are Nina from Girls Band 
Cry, Clara from Welcome to Demon

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School, Earmakun, Anya from Spy 
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sometimes hides her feelings in 
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So that is my essential 
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is the at its core, I think it's
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person, but however they need to
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cause a little mischief. 
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What's your thoughts on that 
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So we agree on some parts and 
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one key aspect. 
OK so I have defined a gremlin 

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in my head as it must be a 
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energy. 
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cause chaos for the sake of 
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Oh, I like that. 
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little malicious in it. 
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Right. 
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gremlins, I think about the 
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the gremlins on the plains. 
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something or wrecking things, 
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threatening. 
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silly hijinks, sometimes it's 
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it's never completely above the 
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things up, even if it's not for 
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there. 
I, I think so too, but I, I 

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think one thing that I think 
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the chaos that what they're 
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difference between what we have 
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guy on the, on the plane ripping
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that could harm a lot of people.
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Like it's like our discord. 

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I would never be a gremlin. 
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like my gremlin energy towards 
our group is within our group. 

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I'm not radiating that Gremlin 
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Gremlin towards a specific group
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I think that's where we differ. 
Yeah, I think so. 

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That's, and I think you had 
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of the podcast, correct? 
The the moment I, I think that 

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would exemplify that by my 
definition is what is now 

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immortalized is an emote, which 
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whatever, which is from a period
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didn't like a show cat really 
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asked questions to highlight 
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innocent manner. 
And like, that was fun and 

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chaotic. 
It was also a little mean. 

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I was being a little mean there,
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And so that's, that's where I 
how I think of it. 

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In your defense sort of thing, 
the show did suck. 

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It did. 
Were you being mean? 

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Yes. 
But were you also correct? 

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Also yes. 
You know, but I know you're 

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you're going to go into like 
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gremlin esque things and I him 
doing a more lateral 

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segregation. 
So do you want to start with 

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your like evolutions? 
Or let me ask you a question 

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first. 
Do you think gremlins can be 

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good? 
Because I feel like in your 

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definition, it's more focused on
like when you say chaotic, when 

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you say malicious. 
To me, that brings to me like a 

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little bit on the bad side, but 
I feel like there's also good 

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Gremlin. 
So I think you can be friends or

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like a gremlin can maybe help 
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gonna be a little bit of a wild 
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I would think of someone like 
Rebecca from. 

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I'm glad you brought that up. 
Okay, because to me, like she's 

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a good ally and everything, but 
also maybe she starts shooting 

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too quickly and like that's 
always gonna be like a little 

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like, maybe that's not the right
thing to do, but I love shooting

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people, you know, it's like that
sort of thing, You know, if 

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there was someone in their main 
quirk was like, oh, I randomly 

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donate money to the poor. 
That's not a gremlin to me. 

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There has to be a little bit of 
an edge to that, you know, in my

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opinion. 
OK, no, I get. 

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I get that it's cool that we 
have different. 

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If we had we both have the same 
different definition. 

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Yeah, we just named the same 
characters. 

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It's boring, yeah, but it's 
funny that you brought up 

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Rebecca because I'm going to be 
bringing her up down the road. 

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I'm going to be bringing up a 
lot of characters you're going 

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to be bringing up in your 
further iteration sort of 

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things, I believe. 
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why I did this was there are 
some characters that I just 

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can't lump in as the same group.
You know, like you have Tyga 

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from Toradora or something like 
that. 

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Can I really lump her in as the 
same person as Tanya the Evil? 

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Like I personally can't do that.
I think they are too. 

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Oh no. 
If someone else wants to go for 

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it, I think it's super fun. 
But do you want an example I 

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have of a gremlin who is like 
the not shooting like it's more 

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like calm Comparatively. 
They're not as violent or evil, 

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but I still think they have that
malicious tent to. 

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Them Oh I have one later on that
I think is OK. 

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People off guard, but I'd love 
to hear yours. 

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OK so my my thought would be 
like Haruhi. 

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Right, well, I'm so glad you 
brought that up. 

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Guess what I'm going to bring up
later down the road? 

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Actually, let's just talk about 
it now. 

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Sure. 
Tell me what Haruhi? 

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Yeah, so I I have picked Haruhi 
because one, she loves chaos. 

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She's always bored. 
She's just trying to do things, 

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entertain herself. 
And sometimes that comes at the 

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cost of her friends. 
You can see that in like the 

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film making arc or whatever 
where she's like really kind of 

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messing with Asahana and like 
the just a few different things 

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like that where it's it's 
chaotic energy. 

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It's can be fun to go with, but 
sometimes if it's pointed in the

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wrong direction, it's gonna hurt
people. 

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And So what I think is 
interesting about the Harohee 

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dynamic is you have this group 
of people channeling the gremlin

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energy. 
That's the entire plot of the 

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show basically, is to channel 
this chaotic creature in a 

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positive direction. 
And they know that they're gonna

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get burnt a little bit, but 
overall they can, you know, send

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it where it needs to go. 
So to me, that sort of feedback 

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you get when you try to control 
a gremlin, you are going to get 

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hurt a little bit. 
But you can in some cases IE 

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Harley. 
That is my thought on on her and

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her gremlin hood. 
That that's we, we're having 

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some pre, some behind the 
scenes, some behind the scenes, 

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baseball, having some 
conversations before recording 

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about certain characters that 
are really hard to place. 

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And Haruhi was one, because 
there's so many different 

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dynamics to her that depending 
on which lens you view it from, 

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I think could be expanded on. 
Because if you view it from her 

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perspective, I think she's a 
gremlin. 

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I think if you view it from 
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she's more than that, which is 
going to lead me into my next 

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definition, which is what I 
think is one step away from 

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gremlin. 
This and that is a goblin. 

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So a goblin is similar to a 
gremlin in every sense except 

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their actions are more harmful 
to their party or another party 

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and more beneficial to 
themselves. 

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I think this is where characters
that are more violent and action

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oriented fall in line. 
I also think that their 

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vocabulary you can also be more 
aggressive while still having 

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that silly and quirkiness that 
you want in a gremlin on ADND 

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alignment chart. 
I think this could be a huge 

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range. 
I label it anywhere from like 

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chaotic good all the way to like
chaotic neutral neutral. 

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Possibly like lawful evil. 
Haven't really looked too much 

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in the DND alignment charts, 
but. 

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You know, not lawful Evil, I 
promise. 

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What's that? 
You said? 

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You don't mean lawful evil? 
I promise, Lawful evil are going

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to be people. 
They're a little quick D&D 

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alignment chart. 
They'll be they're like evil 

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politicians who use the 
structures of society to, like, 

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commit evil. 
It's not like any less evil than

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chaotic evil. 
It's just a more structured, 

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more systematic evil. 
Than that, let me ask you a 

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question. 
Especially since you brought 

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like a politician. 
What would it be then if you had

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a character who did something 
evil that would benefit a larger

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majority? 
Is that still lawful evil? 

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That, yeah, I could be. 
Because that's why I want to 

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keep lawful evil in this. 
Yeah, because it gets a little, 

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I mean, OK, like you're trying 
to count by. 

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Example then that would make the
let's. 

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Go. 
QB from Madoka Magica. 

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OK so this is interesting to me 
because I think QB is the 

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complete opposite of anything 
gremlin related. 

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And what do you do? 
You think he's a goblin or? 

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Goblin, yes, I think he's I 
think he's a step above a 

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gremlin because of his the 
nature and his business is I 

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would say more. 
This is where it's like, oh, I 

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wanted to bring up like the he's
trying to save his race of 

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people or whatever that he is. 
In order to do so, people need 

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to be sacrificed. 
OK, that's not what he's doing 

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specifically and This is why I 
don't think he belongs. 

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Cubase specific goal is to 
reverse entropy right? 

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Entropy of course being the 
decay of order like amongst the 

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universe as a whole overtime 
leading to the heat death of the

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universe. 
To me a gremlin has to have 

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positive entropy. 
They have to add to the chaos. 

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They cannot take away from the 
chaos like QBE does because QBE 

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does a terrible thing, which is 
like torture these poor little 

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girls and you know, basically 
like sell them to a soul pyramid

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scheme type of deal. 
But there is one, a plan he has.

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It is a greater good that he is 
working for. 

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Two, that is strictly in the 
order. 

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It is like a hierarchical desire
for order and structure, and to 

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make sure that the universe 
doesn't. 

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You know, fizzle out because 
like, I don't think he does 

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anything chaotic. 
I think everything he does is 

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meticulously planned. 
It is also kind of emotionless, 

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which leads to, you know, 
because I thought, didn't you 

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say he needed you? 
Didn't have to be. 

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It's not limited, but these are 
qualities are found in most 

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gremlins. 
But it doesn't have to. 

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They don't have to have every 
quality to be categorized as. 

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I will say he looks like a 
gremlin. 

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Because like, he's small, he's 
cute, yes, he's evil. 

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Those are those are three 
alignments for Gremlin Energy. 

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That's that's true. 
Would you consider Griffith to 

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be a gremlin? 
No, he. 

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Type of thing. 
He's small, he's cute, he's and 

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he is evil. 
He's small, but like he's still 

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like. 
Yeah, he's still I usually see 

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compared to Guts. 
He's still like an adult man by 

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a gremlin standing next to Shaq.
Like maybe? 

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It's like how Kelly Olynyk 
called me Frodo. 

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Like yeah, fair enough. 
Man, fuck Maple Dick. 

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I love that guy. 
OK, but let let me hear your pro

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argument for Q Bay because I I 
am interested because to me it's

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just he's very anti the. 
The way you break it down, I 

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think that you could probably 
throw him in my next definition.

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I just I guess my perceived 
thoughts of QB is what he is 

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trying to accomplish will 
benefit the greater good like 

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overall in the universe if he 
does what he's doing. 

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But what he is doing is harming 
and hurting people. 

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But he is still cute and small. 
OK. 

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Yeah. 
So. 

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You can disagree. 
Yeah, I, I mean, I, I just 

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explained why. 
You know, I'm just trying to 

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understand your thought process 
here because I guess to me, the 

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most important axis on the 
gremlin thing is like the order 

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versus chaos type of deal where 
they need to be chaotic. 

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That is, to me, that is the most
important attribute to a 

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gremlin. 
And then the other things like I

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sort of, you know, filter that 
through and and go yes or no, 

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right? 
I mean, it's like a litmus test 

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after that point. 
But like my one hard cut off is,

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they must be chaotic. 
Yeah, I think that the chaos can

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be defined differently because I
think when we think of like, 

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light and bubbly chaos like they
do with like other gremlins, 

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it's not as like crazy. 
But when we start talking war 

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crimes, like maybe that diverts 
a little bit from chaotic 

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energy, but I still think in 
some way it is chaotic. 

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And that's why I wanted to 
include characters like them 

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because they have physical 
attributes that I, I see a lot 

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in or, and just personality 
traits of these characters, 

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while not really, I would say 
necessarily fitting the mold of 

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a standard gremlin. 
So that's what that's kind of 

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like why? 
And maybe he'll fall into the 

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other. 
Maybe you'll agree that he'll 

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fall into my other category. 
But I want to get some other 

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examples that I thought were 
goblins. 

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Mikey from Tokyo Revengers, one 
that you know, Hebana from the 

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evil Lieutenant. 
OK, the one that says fuck. 

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I would consider her. 
I would consider her. 

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She's my gremlin. 
I. 

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I to me like the difference 
between her and say, another 

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Gremlin is the violent nature of
her character and her 

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vocabulary. 
See. 

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I rather acquire that this is 
that's a prerequisite to my 

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crippling. 
OK. 

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Yes, OK. 
So. 

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My, my, I guess for me it's 
like, I guess I'm more like my 

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gremlins, pure, like more on the
good side. 

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And if you have like even like a
hint of evil or aggregation, 

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aggregation aggressiveness, some
violence, that stuff, then you 

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start getting into like a 
different territory. 

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Yeah, I mean, I'm the, it's so 
funny that we we split on this, 

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especially with like how we like
like happy things versus like 

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tragic things too, where I'm 
just like be evil, do it. 

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And then my other big one that I
was having a hard time placing 

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somebody is Yuki from the 
Shoshaman series. 

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I think I, I think I agree that 
she belongs in Goblin just 

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because of her mental state, I 
would say. 

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And I think sort of her actions 
are more aligned with her 

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selfishness than the benefit 
good of other people. 

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I would for your definition, I 
would definitely agree with 

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that. 
For mine, I don't think she ends

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up in either any of my well, I 
have one category and it's 

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gremlin. 
I don't think she I don't think 

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she ends up in that for me 
because she is again a 

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mastermind and gremlins in my 
head cannot be masterminds. 

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They were just like, yeah, 
'cause it's, it's not like to 

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me, even if someone is causing 
chaos in some way, if the idea 

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in their head is let me 'cause 
chaos because I can take 

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advantage of this and do XY. 
And you know, that is not 

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chaotic in and of itself. 
What it is, is like a plan. 

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It is ordered. 
It is, you know, an attempt to 

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do something. 
Yuki seems chaotic until you 

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learn her thought process and 
what is happening. 

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To me, it's like the difference 
between have you watched Game of

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Thrones, like Peter Baelish, 
right, versus the Joker from 

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Batman. 
Like it's, you know, Peter 

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Baelish is like doing all this 
stuff, throwing stuff in the 

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wall to see what sticks. 
But there is an order to that. 

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He wants to cause chaos so that 
he can gain things. 

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Whereas people who just want to 
do chaos because they enjoy 

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seeing other people's reactions 
and seeing what happens when 

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they light a bunch of money on 
fire or whatever, you know, it's

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that sort of thing. 
They're the, they don't think 

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before they do things a gremlin 
in my, in my head. 

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They they have, they don't have 
plans. 

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They are spontaneous. 
They are, you know, good. 

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I think this will be fun, and I 
will do this. 

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00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,320
And sometimes it's good and 
sometimes it's bad to different 

449
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,920
degrees depending on what the 
character is. 

450
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,800
But they don't think ahead. 
And that's why in my head, they 

451
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,480
need a little bit of that 
malicious because when you don't

452
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,320
plan your thoughts from words 
and actions, sometimes you do 

453
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320
accidentally hurt people. 100%. 
Yeah. 

454
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,440
So that's my thought on her. 
I like that. 

455
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,880
I do like that. 
I like that. 

456
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,880
That's like very 'cause I think 
for me, it's like when I think 

457
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,560
of a gremlin in her actions, if 
she's not currently doing 

458
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,480
something, it's thinking about 
sort of what the next thing that

459
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,600
she's going to do is. 
And so I, for me, my gremlins 

460
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,960
need some planning when the 
action isn't happening. 

461
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,080
But I do like that. 
I like that approach. 

462
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,160
That's fun. 
Yeah, I, I like it. 

463
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,120
And to me, it's actually, you 
know, we're going to go through 

464
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,160
a list of people and it's 
probably what's going to keep me

465
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,120
the most off of like saying, 
yes, this character is a 

466
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,240
gremlin. 
Like I think there's a lot of 

467
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,800
like gremlin adjacent gremlin 
characteristic characters, but 

468
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,200
to be like a purebred gremlin, 
it's tough because like even you

469
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,240
had mentioned Yuki from Alya, 
right? 

470
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,600
Yuki #2 that we're bringing up 
here. 

471
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,240
Like to me, she actually has 
some sort of master plan. 

472
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840
It's some phases. 
And then she has some actions 

473
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,000
that are just chaotic because 
she's like doing her chaos thing

474
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,160
and they're not always related. 
And that made her very hard for 

475
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,640
me to categorize because she 
seems to have two wolves inside 

476
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,680
of herself and one of them is a 
gremlin who wants to fuck her 

477
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,880
brother and the other one is 
just a normal person. 

478
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,160
I don't know, it's just a normal
ass wolf. 

479
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,080
Yeah. 
OK. 

480
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,640
So then that I guess that's all 
lead me into sort of my last. 

481
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,440
Maybe I'll come up with more 
later, but I wanted to get like 

482
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,520
these, by the way. 
But the last one is a hobgoblin.

483
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,560
So this is like a step above a 
goblin. 

484
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,480
Yeah, I know you're thinking, 
what the hell? 

485
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,040
I'm like, Yep, this is where I'm
going with it. 

486
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,960
So a hobgoblin is a gremlin in 
every sense, but their end 

487
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,360
result of their shenanigans ends
with either destruction and 

488
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440
mayhem that can lead to the 
public being affected in a 

489
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,360
larger scale, whether it's 
intentionally or 

490
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,440
unintentionally. 
It's so interesting. 

491
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,480
OK, so intent doesn't matter to 
you. 

492
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,760
I, I don't think, I think so. 
It's sort of like this. 

493
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:02,600
It's say you say your dad is in 
charge of the launch codes and 

494
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,960
there's a big red button that 
says if you press this it, it 

495
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,720
shoots off a nuke and you're 
throwing a football to your dad 

496
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
and you're terrible at football 
and that football hits the red 

497
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,960
button and it launches the nuke.
My dad and I in the watch 

498
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,080
center. 
Yep, tossing the big skin. 

499
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,520
You know, he's busy with work, 
he's trying to make time for his

500
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,440
kid and that's the only time 
that he can do it. 

501
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,680
I. 
Don't want to end up like the 

502
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,280
cats in the cradle. 
Dad, you're playing catch with 

503
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,280
me in the reactor. 
Yes, this is a very bad example,

504
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,640
but somebody came up with, no, I
already recorded. 

505
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,920
So the football, you know, Bing 
Bong bong, bong bong hits eight 

506
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560
different things and hits the 
red button and you shoot off a 

507
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,800
nuke that that nuke is that 
nuke's gone. 

508
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,040
So whether you had meant to do 
that or didn't mean to do that, 

509
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,600
your actions have a consequence.
Miles, congratulations, you are 

510
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,240
now a hobgoblin. 
OK, well this is interesting to 

511
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:04,120
me then, because this is so 
curious because like, I need to 

512
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,920
think of an example of this that
isn't you. 

513
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Want me to give you my examples 
of what I think hobgoblins are? 

514
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,280
OK, so you brought up Rebecca 
from Cyberpunk. 

515
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,360
And so there she had like, 
actions before joining the team 

516
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,800
and after that I think would 
qualify her in this. 

517
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,120
Same with someone like power 
from Chainsaw Man or, you know, 

518
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,320
at almost any character from 
Chainsaw Man. 

519
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040
But I'm gonna say power 
specifically where, you know, 

520
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,960
she's killing the big monster in
the city, but at the same time 

521
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,520
she's destroying like 40 
buildings or something along 

522
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640
those lines. 
You know, it's like you, you 

523
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,680
saved the day, but like you did 
it in a manner that was poor. 

524
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,400
And this is my hot take Gojo 
from Jiu Jitsu Kaizen. 

525
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400
I could see it. 
Yeah, I, I think just based off 

526
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,560
what we've gotten so far in the 
anime that it just always is 

527
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,320
lingering around him. 
And then, you know, I even 

528
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,520
though he was kind of involved 
with Shibuya, like these events 

529
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,560
are leading to like mass 
casualties and stuff like that 

530
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,200
in this year. 
So it's like, and he's goofy 

531
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,000
silly fun when he's out outside 
of like fighting. 

532
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,040
So like he's still, these 
characters still have like 

533
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,560
qualities and characteristics I 
think that gremlins have, but 

534
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,960
it's just it's more long, I 
guess along the lines of their 

535
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,440
actions or their consequences to
their action. 

536
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,280
Is Aaron Yeager A gremlin or a 
hobgoblin? 

537
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:33,680
No he's a bitch. 
He doesn't have any other 

538
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,040
qualities of a gremlin. 
He's just evil. 

539
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,400
I guess from my what I'm seeing 
he is overly emotional and 

540
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,360
clingy, so yeah. 
Yeah, and his actions lead to 

541
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,440
mascot. 
What I'm saying Aaron Yeager for

542
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,080
Hobgoblin. 
He's not small. 

543
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
I guess it is human form. 
He's probably smaller. 

544
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,640
I guess at the end he's not, but
like he's a Titan, so he's not 

545
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,240
small. 
Like he's a he's a big boy. 

546
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,160
I I feel like this is where I 
would also put like, you know, I

547
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,360
haven't seen Tanya, but I like I
would assume Tanya would also 

548
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,960
fall under this category. 
It's usually has. 

549
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,840
I wouldn't say it necessarily 
always has, like if we're using 

550
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,680
the DND alignment chart. 
Doesn't necessarily have to be 

551
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,440
evil, but I feel like a lot of 
times these characters fall 

552
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,800
under an evil tag. 
Yes, I mean OK that that would 

553
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,760
make sense for me in Hobgob or 
Hobgobins I believe are always 

554
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,360
chaotic evil in DND at least 5 E
before the revision. 

555
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,840
But see to me someone like Tanya
wouldn't count because again, 

556
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,560
she's like a military 
mastermind. 

557
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,800
It is all planned. 
She also wants to kill God and 

558
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,720
like she's doing things to get 
to an end. 

559
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,440
And that is to me, that just 
sort of cancels cancels you out.

560
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,680
You can't be smart, you can't be
planning. 

561
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,800
It's pure goblin. 
You can. 

562
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,800
You can be smart. 
You cannot be wise. 

563
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,280
OK, OK. 
I like that because this is 

564
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,760
because my because we're going 
to do the Mount Rushmore later 

565
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
and I have a character that I 
think is going to be on a lot of

566
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,160
people's list that I'm assuming 
is not going to be on yours 

567
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,520
because of your definition. 
So I'd be intrigued to see what 

568
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,080
that. 
Is I? 

569
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800
I just thought of a which is 
crazy because she's a pretty 

570
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,160
popular character, but she I 
think I'm putting her on the 

571
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Mount Rushmore. 
Oh. 

572
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,880
I think that's going to, that's 
going to have to happen. 

573
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,400
OK, we'll we'll get that soon, 
but that that's sort of how I've

574
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,560
laid out my gremlins. 
Gremlin, Goblin Hobgoblin. 

575
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,920
OK. 
Usually how it progresses is off

576
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,640
of like aggressiveness, evil, 
violence affected outside of 

577
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,120
your friend group or core group 
or whatever. 

578
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,680
The more that happens outside of
a group, the more goblin and 

579
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,120
hobgoblin energy you. 
Radiate OK, so like the bigger 

580
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
you know, you're like level or 
what like I don't know the. 

581
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,239
You're gremlin if you're like. 
S class in One Punch Man versus 

582
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,199
like a whatever your threat 
level is. 

583
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,199
OK, so and if you don't mind, 
I'm gonna give a quick overview 

584
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,880
of of how I I approached this 
episode and where I ended up. 

585
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,880
Sure, let's hear it. 
So one of the first things that 

586
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,120
I tried to do is I looked up 
interviews of like the creator 

587
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,920
of Haruhi where they got 
inspiration from Haruhi 

588
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,320
characters that I don't consider
gremlins, but like interviews 

589
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:43,440
with people who voiced Mao Mao 
or where various characters came

590
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,239
from. 
And I found some and it was 

591
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,719
useful. 
But then I thought to myself, 

592
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,080
oh, it would be really nice if I
could just like ask these people

593
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,080
things. 
But it turns out talking to a 

594
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,760
Japanese author for a light 
novel or a manga is like, as far

595
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000
as I know. 
Please let me know if you know 

596
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,280
how to impossible because like 
they don't a lot of people you 

597
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
could like reach out to their 
publicist or whatever and be 

598
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,320
like, hey, I have these 
questions like if they don't 

599
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,080
mind answering and like maybe 
you get something maybe you 

600
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,120
don't like. 
For example, it's like I Google 

601
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,000
e-mail Brandon Sanderson, who's 
like the biggest author in the 

602
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,360
world right now, and they just 
tells me how to do it. 

603
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,120
I just. 
Use e-mail. 

604
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,480
It's like a. 
Form to ask him questions and 

605
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:32,560
he'll try to text you back or 
whatever you know so but I 

606
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,400
couldn't find any event. 
So I had to take a different 

607
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,160
approach because I, I did want 
to see like what inspired these 

608
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,520
characters that I know we're 
going to consider gremlin or 

609
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,200
gremlin adjacent and see if that
could find like a common 

610
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,560
ancestor and I couldn't so I had
to leave biology behind me 

611
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,560
right? 
Like this evolutionary thing I 

612
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:57,280
had to go into philosophy. 
So Plato had an idea about how 

613
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640
things exist and it is this 
theory of forms. 

614
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,000
The idea behind this Pete, if 
you are not aware, is that 

615
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:13,800
everything has like it's 
conceptual pure form that exists

616
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,840
might not be the right word. 
It exists out of like space and 

617
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,320
time. 
It cannot be affected. 

618
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,400
It is is pure. 
So like, it's sort of like when 

619
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,000
you draw a triangle on a board 
that's not a perfect triangle, 

620
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,960
but you know, it's a triangle 
and you you can conceptualize 

621
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,600
the idea of a perfect triangle, 
but like, where are you getting 

622
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,600
that idea from? 
It must exist somewhere. 

623
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,880
So it exists in this like 
metaphysical world beyond our 

624
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,280
own. 
We're like pure concepts of 

625
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,880
things lest live. 
And as I thought more about 

626
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,480
these gremlins and had a hard 
time thinking like, is this 

627
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,800
person a gremlin? 
Yes. 

628
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,400
No. 
Sometimes on some episodes, I 

629
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
was really it was driving me 
insinct because there's a period

630
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
of time where I was just like, 
maybe there are no gremlins, 

631
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,000
maybe it's a lie, Maybe no 
characters are a gremlin. 

632
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,200
I came to this concept. 
We cannot know the perfect 

633
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,680
gremlin on this earth, Pete, 
because we are not out of The 

634
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,000
Cave yet. 
We are still seeing the shadows 

635
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,200
on the wall. 
So what you have is the concept 

636
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,160
of a gremlin, and then you have 
the actual gremlins themselves, 

637
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,560
and then you have like artistic 
depictions of gremlins, which is

638
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,880
where we are at, right? 
That is actually all that can 

639
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,520
exist because gremlins aren't 
real, so. 

640
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Damn it. 
I know, but look, Plato ain't 

641
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,680
alive. 
I can't e-mail him about this 

642
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,400
either. 
However, he's what I'm going. 

643
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,400
For. 
Yeah, please. 

644
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Aristotle did a lot for that, I 
think. 

645
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,280
Sure. 
He's still kicking. 

646
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:02,960
So in my head, what I have for 
gremlins is just a scale of how 

647
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,280
much they reflect the pure 
concept of a gremlin. 

648
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,640
I like that that is what it is. 
It's like someone like Mao Mao 

649
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,640
might be like 20% gremlin, but 
to me that's not enough to 

650
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,480
categorize her as a gremlin. 
But she has gremlin influence, 

651
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,000
but she's not immediately, if 
you just see her, she's not like

652
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,200
immediately recognizable as a 
gremlin. 

653
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,760
The same way that like, you can 
make a square out of two 

654
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,560
triangles, you know, that sort 
of thing where it's everything 

655
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,320
can be like broken down into 
pieces, but isn't necessarily 

656
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,160
the pure form. 
And so this is how I've started 

657
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,160
to think about it. 
I've been trying to think of the

658
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,240
characters that I think best 
reflect the world. 

659
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,480
And this is very gatekeepy, but 
this also doesn't matter, so I 

660
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,800
don't care. 
Best reflect the pure concept of

661
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,080
gremlinness. 
And to me, that is like the 

662
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,160
fucking second law of physics, 
expanding entropy through 

663
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,160
actions without intent, even 
just naturally. 

664
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,840
And that is, that is how I'm 
looking at them. 

665
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,760
So we have a list of characters 
we're gonna go through and a lot

666
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,360
of people, I'm gonna say, no, 
your character's not a gremlin. 

667
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,720
And I'm sorry, but I'm gonna be 
pretty strict with this, I think

668
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,240
to the point where I it's driven
me a little insane 'cause I 

669
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,240
needed to, I needed to pick 
someone has to be a gremlin. 

670
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,720
Someone has to be. 
There has to be some, because I 

671
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,200
can think of the idea and Plato 
would never lie to me. 

672
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,960
I was going to say I like your, 
I like your scale. 

673
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,840
I was just picturing like like a
video game and being like, yeah,

674
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,520
I'm a level 6 gremlin. 
It's like, oh, you're only level

675
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,960
4 gremlin. 
I'm a level 6. 

676
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,760
Yeah, this is this sort of like,
you know that that idea or where

677
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,920
you like you can level up skills
or something, right? 

678
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Let me ask you, let me ask you a
question. 

679
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,480
So like in your brain you have 
like a mental check box of 

680
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,360
characteristics or traits. 
Of a gremlin that has it, and 

681
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,360
then depending on how many 
things that they check, that's 

682
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,480
like what percentage of gremlin 
they are. 

683
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,880
Yeah. 
So the basically the way it 

684
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,720
would work is that like I, I can
think of the concept of a 

685
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:24,000
gremlin and even my concept of 
it, it isn't 100% correct, 

686
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,080
right? 
But it is the closest depiction 

687
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,120
because I cannot perfectly 
depict my concept onto paper, 

688
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040
right? 
Because every time you translate

689
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,960
from the original metaphysical 
concept, you lose some data and 

690
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,800
it becomes a little less pure. 
You know, understanding what 

691
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,280
beauty is versus seeing 
something that is beautiful 

692
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,480
versus trying to recreate 
something that is beautiful. 

693
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,120
You know, all of these things 
could be beautiful, but each 

694
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,760
time they maybe get a little 
like re xeroxing. 

695
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,520
Let me give an acknowledge for 
the kids for saving that JPEG 

696
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,840
too many times. 
You know, now it's photocopied 

697
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,600
or whatever. 
Martin's compressed. 

698
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,560
I went back to xeroxing. 
It is sort of my thought. 

699
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,720
So what I need to do is I need 
to I want to see a character. 

700
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,600
I need to think of their actions
holistically because there could

701
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,600
be bias here because a lot of 
characters have amazing gremliny

702
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,280
moments but that's not who they 
are. 

703
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,680
Holy like Mao Mao is an example 
of this I would give where she's

704
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,680
literally just Sherlock Holmes 
but also kind of gremliny 

705
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,840
sometimes. 
But holistically I don't think 

706
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:42,600
she's a gremlin when I view her 
entirety right and so the the 

707
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,720
line is technically arbitrary 
but I I need it when I see 

708
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,840
everyone's actions, how they 
speak, what they do. 

709
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,720
Do they have an off gremlin mode
and is that too anti gremlin for

710
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,400
me to consider? 
Not like honestly Umaru Chan was

711
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,800
someone I was considering here 
because when you see her on 

712
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,760
screen she's just a gremlin. 
Gremlin mode for sure. 

713
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,920
But the entire concept is she 
can pretend not to be a gremlin,

714
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,640
and I think a gremlin couldn't 
do that. 

715
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,400
Oh. 
That's, that's interesting. 

716
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,440
You don't think you don't think 
gremlins can evolve? 

717
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,080
Oh. 
I think if you evolve from being

718
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,880
a gremlin, you stop being a 
gremlin. 

719
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,640
Ah, you, you be OK. 
OK. 

720
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,400
I want to. 
I'm trying to think of like a 

721
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,720
word because like in my 
definition, I went like away 

722
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,240
from Gremlin when they got more 
aggressive and evil. 

723
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,240
Well, what if they do? 
Mine is order. 

724
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,040
Yeah, yours is order. 
Oh, yeah. 

725
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,800
I'm trying to think of like, 
what would be somebody who's 

726
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,120
like too pure to be a gremlin, 
but still has like all the 

727
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,040
characteristics and like 
qualities of a Gremlin. 

728
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,120
I'm not have to think about that
one. 

729
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,880
There's a few like someone that 
like oh God I don't know. 

730
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,320
How about this? 
I think they definitely guru 

731
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,040
camp type characters I think can
fit that mold pretty well like 

732
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,680
pink hair girl. 
Disco. 

733
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Yeah, someone brought up. 
Yeah. 

734
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,400
I like that a lot. 
Let me ask you this question 

735
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,440
though, can non humans be 
gremlins? 

736
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Yes. 
OK, cool. 

737
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,600
Just checking. 
I have one on my list, maybe in 

738
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,400
my OH Mount Rushmore. 
OK. 

739
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,520
I thought you're going to say 
something completely different. 

740
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,880
OK, cool. 
All right. 

741
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,760
You think? 
I was going to say, I thought 

742
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,160
you're going to call your son a 
a gremlin. 

743
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,080
My son is a gremlin and not a 
human. 

744
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,200
That's what I said I. 
Have a gremlin these two. 

745
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,200
That that that also brings up 
another question. 

746
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,160
That was because someone like 
Anya, is she a gremlin or is she

747
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160
just a kid? 
Right like I. 

748
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,040
Think she's yeah See to me Anya 
is a kid and she has some of 

749
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,640
these gremlin Y moments, I will 
say, especially when she's at 

750
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,280
the school and she you know, but
a lot of what she does again is 

751
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,360
preventing chaos using the extra
knowledge she has to fill in her

752
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,800
parents blind spots and make 
sure the mission goes smoothly. 

753
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,280
To me, gremlins don't do that. 
So. 

754
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,400
See, and that's where we differ 
because I while I think she 

755
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,760
tries to stop that, a lot of 
times she screws up and 

756
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,680
unintentionally causes chaos. 
And this is what I asked you 

757
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
about intent, because to me 
intent is what is key. 

758
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Sure, if you are trying to bring
order about, you know, like I, I

759
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,120
guess I wouldn't call, I don't 
know, some Phil in tragic hero 

760
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:40,000
who accidentally destroys the 
world, you know, because they 

761
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,040
were trying to do the right 
thing and just went terribly. 

762
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Like I want to consider them in 
that because the intent to do 

763
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,560
the right thing, the intent to 
bring order to me. 

764
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,440
Sure. 
Yeah. 

765
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,000
So I, I, I was thinking of like,
you know, like athletes who get 

766
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,560
hurt a lot, like are they injury
prone or are they just like 

767
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,000
unlucky sometimes? 
And I think yeah, it depends. 

768
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Yeah, it depends. 
Right. 

769
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,840
So I, I, because it's going to 
come down because there's, I 

770
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,040
have Anya as a gremlin and 
there's another child on our 

771
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,680
list that I don't think is a 
gremlin. 

772
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,760
So we're going to get into our 
Discord submitted. 

773
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Is it a gremlin? 
Is it not a gremlin? 

774
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,280
Where would we categorize it? 
If you want to help us out in 

775
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,640
episodes like this, feel free to
join our Discord. 

776
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640
I have a channel called Podcast 
Discussions that I will at 

777
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,720
sometimes ask questions and 
stuff to people and get their 

778
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,840
feedback. 
So this is where we're all start

779
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,800
and I'm going to start with you 
because I've never seen this 

780
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,120
show. 
Miles, where is Ed from? 

781
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Cowboy and Bebop. 
Is he a gremlin or no? 

782
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,080
I think Ed is a woman. 
Did I say he was a man? 

783
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,480
Did I? 
I think you did, yeah. 

784
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,000
If I did, my apologies. 
I saw in my brain I did say that

785
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,960
but if I did my bad. 
Yeah, well, her, her name is 

786
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Edward. 
Like honestly, you're allowed 

787
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,840
to. 
But I haven't seen the show. 

788
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,720
Yeah, yeah. 
So I would say Ed has a lot of 

789
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,840
gremlin characteristics. 
I definitely can agree with 

790
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,480
that. 
I think that the impulsivity is 

791
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,760
there. 
You know, she's sort of like a 

792
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,280
master hacker type of character,
if I remember quick correctly, 

793
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,640
who just sort of does stuff 
because she can't like very like

794
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,480
to me like doing things because 
you can hacking things because 

795
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:32,760
you can is very gremlin. 
Like there is, you know, there, 

796
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
there are goals and stuff, but 
this is like an example of me 

797
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,880
with being willing to like give 
that like a pass because like 

798
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,560
it's hard to have a character 
that has literally no, no goals,

799
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,080
but it did. 
I think it's more like Ed does 

800
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,200
these tasks because it lets her 
be on the ship and fuck around 

801
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,560
in her free time, you know, so. 
All right. 

802
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,040
That's the that's the thought. 
Very like giggly, eccentric. 

803
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,280
You would think she's a gremlin 
like 100. 

804
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,840
Percent. 
All right. 

805
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Right on. 
OK, Oscar from Evangelion. 

806
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,560
I I say no. 
OK, I put her yes in Gremlin. 

807
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,760
OK. 
I, I, I think barely, but I, I 

808
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,560
do think that she has enough of 
the qualities to, to, to 

809
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,400
solidify yourself as a gremlin. 
Maybe that's like the best 

810
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,360
gremlin, but I think that she 
does qualify. 

811
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,200
We did. 
Harrowy, have you seen Doctor? 

812
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,720
Have you seen Doctor Stone? 
I have. 

813
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,160
OK, Suika the the watermelon 
girl. 

814
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Oh, Suika's so cute. 
Yeah, no. 

815
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,280
Yeah, I also put her as no. 
And this is where I was having 

816
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:41,320
the the Anya. 
Yeah, I mean, she's funny and, 

817
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:46,840
like, cute and like, I like her 
character a lot, but not 

818
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000
particularly mischievous. 
She does some like spying and 

819
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,840
stuff, which could be considered
as such, but she is, I don't 

820
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,640
know, like I don't see a world 
where, you know, Senku is like 

821
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Suika. 
I need you to like not be 

822
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,120
chaotic. 
And she like is instead like she

823
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,240
feels like she could like listen
and take orders and critically 

824
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:15,680
think a little bit too much for 
me to consider her a gremlin. 

825
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,200
I mean, I don't know, it's like,
I guess I would get it. 

826
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,800
But to me this would be like a 
very soft gremlin like where you

827
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,160
know the definition just sort of
means any character that is kind

828
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,960
of fun. 
Sure. 

829
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,600
Honestly, no. 
For sure. 

830
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,880
And, and for me, I was thinking 
like, I think she's just more of

831
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,640
a kid in a sense than someone 
like Anya who has these powers 

832
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,840
to like, get herself into 
situations that can be a little 

833
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:50,280
bit more gremlinly, gremlinly. 
I think I require malicious 

834
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,840
intent at least. 
Not even intent. 

835
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,880
Just like malicious thing. 
And like, Suika is the sweetest 

836
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,800
person. 
Yeah, she's. 

837
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,640
She's super nice and I I think 
it's just more of her being a 

838
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,600
kid than being something more 
than that. 

839
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:07,800
OK Nikko from love life. 
No, I also say no, I I think her

840
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,560
I can, I can, I can see why 
people would think that she is, 

841
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:17,720
but I think her appeal actually 
is beneficial and not like 

842
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,960
negative. 
So to me, I think. 

843
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,280
She wouldn't fall. 
Yeah. 

844
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,240
Why I like Nico from love life 
so much is why she is not a 

845
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,680
gremlin. 
It's because once she has her 

846
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,440
shit together 2 she's basically 
hurting all of these unorganized

847
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,200
wannabe idols. 
You know she sort of brings like

848
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,760
a try hard thing because like 
the big clip of her being like 

849
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,880
Nick Cooney Cooney right? 
Like the whole the whole bit 

850
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,360
there is that is not her 
personality. 

851
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,440
She is nothing like that. 
And she does have some gremliny 

852
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,520
things and she physically fits 
the gremlin thing. 

853
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,760
But I think you can't be someone
who I think like you can't get 

854
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:05,200
an MBA and be a be a gremlin. 
If you're considering the 

855
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,960
business side of your idol 
group, you are not a gremlin. 

856
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,320
That is in my opinion. 
I, I, I think that's fair. 

857
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Auron from Dead Dead Demons. 
I think this is a slam dunk. 

858
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,600
I think she's a staple as a 
gremlin. 

859
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,280
Yeah, here is going to be one of
my top hot takes. 

860
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Not at all 0% Gremlin, but we 
don't know that until like 

861
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,160
episode 20 or whatever. 
Yeah, I don't want to spoil the 

862
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,600
show. 
I, I know what you're saying, I 

863
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,920
to me it's like 90% of the show 
she is. 

864
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,040
I I understand, but to me, 
again, I'm looking at these 

865
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,240
characters holistically, right? 
Like I'm cutting out Umaru's 

866
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,160
Chan for stuff that literally 
only happens off screen. 

867
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:52,480
And so this is like, you know, 
if but really quick if if you 

868
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,520
skip 20 seconds, if you don't 
want this amazing show spot for 

869
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,280
you, if your entire reason for 
acting like a gremlin is to like

870
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,560
cheer up your friend and so that
you can like make them happy and

871
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,520
everything. 
And that's not like exactly who 

872
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,240
you truly are. 
And it's all like an intent 

873
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,280
can't be a gremlin. 
I'm sorry, not for me. 

874
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,640
I like I would have said 
absolutely 100% slam dunk until 

875
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,320
episode whatever so. 
Fair enough. 

876
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,560
Fair enough. 
OK, I. 

877
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Still love her, she's an amazing
character. 

878
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,600
I I mentioned her in my goblins,
but Hibana from the evil 

879
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,920
Lieutenant. 
I would have her as a Grim 1. 

880
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,200
Hey, we got one. 
She just like bites people and 

881
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,120
stuff. 
It's great. 

882
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,440
A lot Yuri from girls last tour.
The blonde hair girl. 

883
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,600
I think the show's too calm. 
Yeah, I think I would agree too.

884
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,760
There's not enough. 
She doesn't what? 

885
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,400
She brings chaos to the one 
person left in the world. 

886
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,760
But I think it's just they're 
bored. 

887
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,240
I like, OK, I'm going to do like
a weird caveat for this one. 

888
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,240
Like in universe when there's 
like 6 people left, sure. 

889
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,360
Like you know, like in, in the 
context of this show, if there 

890
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,200
was a Gremlin, it would be her. 
And like I, I think she does 

891
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,960
sort of fit it, but the show is 
relatively muted because of its 

892
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,640
genre and style and everything. 
So she doesn't quite get there 

893
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:20,000
for me. 
But I think in that if you if 

894
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,920
you wanted a healing show 
Gremlin, she's a very good show 

895
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,000
in my opinion. 
I would agree. 

896
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,800
I like that. 
I like that answer 1. 

897
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,560
I think we can both agree on 
twin turbo from Uma Museme. 

898
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Yeah, sure. 
Yeah, she has Shark T 100% and 

899
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,520
she has he has a fun 
personality. 

900
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,200
Yeah, yeah. 
And this is, this is actually a 

901
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:44,040
good point I want to bring up. 
To me it's easier for side and 

902
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,880
tertiary characters to be 
gremlins for sure because we 

903
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,320
don't know what ton about twin 
turbo and she comes up and all 

904
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,840
of her bits are her being a 
gremlin and we don't really ever

905
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
learn about her hopes or dreams 
or anything and how she was 

906
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,480
secretly this way because 
someone bullied her when she was

907
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:08,720
a little hoarse and like you 
know, so it makes it easier to 

908
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:13,920
fit my like can't be that 
complex criteria because they 

909
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,880
didn't give her any structure. 
Sure. 

910
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,280
Which is exactly what I want. 
She is a gremlin. 

911
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,760
Love it. 
OK this one I'm I have very 

912
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,720
limited knowledge on and I'm not
sure what you have but Neko arc 

913
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:27,920
from the Fate series. 
Oh, Gremlin. 

914
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,680
Yeah, see, this is what I 
thought was a gremlin. 

915
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,320
And then I saw some clips and 
like Neko Arc runs like a 

916
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:39,560
restaurant in some Fate universe
and it's like. 

917
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Neko, it doesn't matter. 
OK, but then it's like, also, 

918
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,880
does they do the the cat dance? 
Yeah. 

919
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,600
What does the cat? 
The literal Canon of Nekuwark 

920
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,000
does not matter. 
OK. 

921
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,600
Also, I think she sort of has 
like 4th wall breaking Deadpool 

922
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,720
powers, which is like, I don't 
know, I haven't seen enough of 

923
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,480
Nekuwark to know. 
But I I'm fine compromising my 

924
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,280
ideals to just like look at this
thing and say, yeah, 100% no 

925
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,520
doubt like that. 
That's my view. 

926
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,640
OK, have you seen Inspector? 
No. 

927
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:20,120
OK, then I will just touch on 
Kotoko Iwanega. 

928
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,200
I've already seen the first 
episode or the first season. 

929
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,440
It's like the main character 
with the fake eye and the fake 

930
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,080
leg. 
I think she's I think she's a 

931
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,080
great gremlin. 
I I think. 

932
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,280
Is she a gremlin? 
Oh my God. 

933
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,760
Yeah, because a lot of her, OK, 
a lot of her chaos is like 

934
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,000
bringing that guy character into
like her shenanigans and doing 

935
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,760
stuff with him for like, because
she has like a crush on him and 

936
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,000
stuff like that. 
And then they do fun mystery 

937
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,280
stuff. 
I thought the show was OK. 

938
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,240
I liked her character a lot, but
I think that she would qualify 

939
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
in my book. 
I think in my book she's a 

940
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,800
gremlin. 
In your book, she's not. 

941
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,120
OK, her her character design is 
age 20. 

942
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,920
Amazing. 
Very. 

943
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,760
Yeah, it does something to me. 
Yeah, and then you find out that

944
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,360
like, her eye, one of her eyes 
are fake, one of her legs are 

945
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,680
fake, one of her she's he's got 
missing body part. 

946
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,640
So OK, it's part of her 
character. 

947
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,080
It's cool. 
Kind of like that a detective is

948
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,240
already dead. 
Yeah, but it's better than that 

949
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:18,040
show. 
Wow, what a bar. 

950
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,160
It's like 3 times better than 
that show. 

951
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,160
I think I gave that show A5 so 
honestly I should watch this 

952
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,760
better. 
There's two series I. 

953
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,080
Think so? 
Check that out. 

954
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:32,320
Oh, OK, OK, there's I just put 
turbo granny in both forms, cat 

955
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:38,440
form and granny form. 
Yeah, I yeah, I can see it. 

956
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,440
I don't. 
I haven't seen Season 2 yet. 

957
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,240
She's not even, at least not 
really, a part of Season 2. 

958
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,560
OK, great. 
Yeah, I guess that's never mind.

959
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:49,160
You know what, what is cause and
effect. 

960
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,360
But yeah, I would say for me at 
least, you have malicious, 

961
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,040
seemingly random, sometimes 
helpful, like just very chaotic 

962
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,320
and very impulsive. 
I would say yes. 

963
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,200
OK, the granny form I think I 
would put in like Goblin, and 

964
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,280
then the cat form I would put in
Gremlin. 

965
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,320
Miles. 
Yeah. 

966
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,000
I think it's funny that you're 
like goblins and hobgoblins are 

967
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,360
much more likely to fall into my
gremlins than your gremlins. 

968
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Yeah, that's, that's the beauty 
of it. 

969
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,520
I, it was funny because the 
whole point of when I was 

970
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,800
brainstorming this idea was 
like, we need to get a unified 

971
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,600
definition of this. 
And it's like, no, we're not. 

972
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,680
We are not aligning on this at 
all. 

973
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,200
Miles Tyga from Toradora. 
No, wow. 

974
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,560
No, no. 
She's a Sundere. 

975
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,520
She's just a Sundere. 
Oh, you know what? 

976
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,640
Maybe. 
I'm trying to think you all 

977
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,280
think about it. 
I OK, I'm gonna say that. 

978
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,320
I'm still gonna say no. 
I'm gonna say I can see it more 

979
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,120
than I initially did because I 
remembered beginning of the 

980
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,480
series Taiga of her just 
breaking into his house and 

981
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,800
hitting him with the sword 
stuff. 

982
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,680
And like I was sort of thinking 
of like later Taiga where you 

983
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,320
like learn about all of her 
trauma and like why, you know, 

984
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,640
it's like more like a cry for 
help than anything else. 

985
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,360
But like, I think there's 
definitely a view where you you 

986
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,840
could say yes, though. 
I think no, it is the same 

987
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,320
reason I would say Oscar is no, 
I just don't view sunder rays as

988
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,480
gremlins. 
I think they sort of put on the 

989
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,480
mask of being gremlin Y, but 
really they're the dare part, 

990
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,160
right? 
They they have the soft part to 

991
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,800
them, you know, so that's it's a
it's a mask for them. 

992
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:36,400
It's not real gremlin Ness. 
Gotcha, I would put her as a 

993
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,240
gremlin, but we'll get to that 
later. 

994
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,280
I touched on Yuki. 
Did you label her as a gremlin 

995
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,920
from Shoshman? 
Shoshman No, she's not. 

996
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,320
I would say not a gremlin. 
We talked about this because I 

997
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,240
she's like a mastermind, like 
incredibly good at manipulation.

998
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,840
It's just, you know, again, you 
can't secretly be a mafia Lord 

999
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,240
or whatever and also a gremlin 
in my. 

1000
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Fair enough, fair enough. 
One that you haven't seen it's 

1001
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,840
from mono character name Anne 
Kiriana. 

1002
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,640
I think she's a gremlin. 
I think like Miles said before 

1003
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,360
where I think I would push her 
towards the opposite side of 

1004
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,280
goblin and more towards the good
side of gremlin. 

1005
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,760
Those were like I like your like
the mono and lay back characters

1006
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,320
can go to. 
But yeah, I wouldn't consider 

1007
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,480
anyone in Mono a gremlin because
everyone in Mono just takes 

1008
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,400
pictures and has fun and they're
like, let's be in a club with 

1009
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,640
each other. 
If you watch the show, you 

1010
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,360
realize how little pictures they
take in that show. 

1011
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,520
I yeah, look, look, I've watched
a large part of the show. 

1012
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,720
I'm not done with it yet, but 
I've watched several episodes 

1013
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,400
and I but they, they, they like,
I don't know, they flew a kite 

1014
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,120
and tried to take a video and 
then they like went on a road 

1015
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,440
trip to try to take some 
pictures and like they attempt 

1016
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,400
to take pictures. 
Yeah, they attempt. 

1017
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,240
This is the attempt to there for
sure. 

1018
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,280
OK. 
Have you seen Railgun? 

1019
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,240
MM? 
Hmm OK, this one you'll need. 

1020
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,600
I believe it's the main 
character Sister Kuroko Shirai. 

1021
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,520
I believe it's the little 
sister. 

1022
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,040
If I'm not so not actually her 
little sister. 

1023
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,240
Oh. 
She's acts like it. 

1024
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,840
She yeah, don't watch rail. 
Gun OK, I won't. 

1025
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,040
Especially don't watch the dub, 
OK? 

1026
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,040
She says she says Onaison like 
that's how she refers to her and

1027
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:31,280
the the English translation in 
the dub is Sissy. 

1028
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:37,400
Nice. 
So is it Kuroko they're talking 

1029
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,840
about? 
Yes. 

1030
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,040
If anyone Railgun was a gremlin 
it would be her. 

1031
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,120
It's been a while. 
My heart says no. 

1032
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:55,400
There's too much attempting to 
do certain things and like her 

1033
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,960
personality is a bit of an act 
in some ways. 

1034
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,920
And again, to me, you have to 
naturally, it's not behaving 

1035
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,240
like a gremlin, it's being a 
gremlin. 

1036
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,200
And that is I, I think she's a 
little off, but I definitely see

1037
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,080
the vision there. 
I I just need I need your input 

1038
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,200
for that. 
And then the last one is ASA 

1039
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,440
KUSA. 
I believe it from keep your 

1040
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:25,360
hands off eyes Oaken the the 
best way to describe it is the 

1041
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,400
small gremlin girl. 
Yeah, the one that looks like a 

1042
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,520
gremlin. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1043
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,840
This is another one where I'm 
just willing to be like, yeah, 

1044
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:39,280
sure, like 100% like, you know, 
I I'd have to remember Izokin a 

1045
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,560
little bit better than I do to 
like give my my pure like 

1046
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,600
platonic definition. 
Yes or no. 

1047
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,160
But sometimes someone just 
again, the ideas that you if you

1048
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,040
look at the object and you know 
what it is. 

1049
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,280
And when I look at her, I know 
she's a gremlin. 

1050
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,600
I know it's a it's the twin 
turbo thing. 

1051
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,960
Oh, sure. 
Yeah, like for me, yes, 100%. 

1052
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,800
Like OK, OK, wait, I'm going to 
post a picture and thing I'm 

1053
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,480
going to send it to Trent to put
on the screen. 

1054
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,000
But like as you can see on this 
picture, you can't not be a 

1055
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,640
gremlin. 
Like it is just impossible. 

1056
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,600
And if you're showing me, I 
can't see it so. 

1057
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,800
I just put it on anime 
recording. 

1058
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:27,800
Oh, OK, still can't see it. 
OK, so that was all of our 

1059
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,200
Discord submissions and now 
we're all wrap up the episode 

1060
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,520
with our personal Mount 
Rushmore. 

1061
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,840
I went first for the definition.
So, Miles, I want to give you 

1062
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,840
give your Mount Rushmore. 
OK, I'm I'm going to, I wonder 

1063
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,960
if we're going to have any 
overlap because of our our 

1064
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,560
slightly, I'm guessing no. 
OK, so I'm going to pick someone

1065
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,160
we haven't mentioned from a show
we both very much loved from 

1066
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:02,120
last season. 
OK, I'm going to pick Ponco from

1067
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Apocalypse Hotel. 
Ponco as yeah, because see this 

1068
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,000
is this is like the the Oron for
you where it's like at the at 

1069
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,120
points she was absolutely a 
gremlin and then afterwards 

1070
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,960
significantly less a gremlin. 
I would still qualify as a 

1071
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,080
gremlin, but. 
So for me, here's a few things. 

1072
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,000
One, she does become a little 
more ordered, right? 

1073
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,880
She likes working for the hotel 
and stuff. 

1074
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,000
And ultimately none of that 
fucking matters because she 

1075
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,000
still has giant Mecca fights 
with what's her name. 

1076
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,840
You know, she's a Tanooki. 
They're they're living in shit. 

1077
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,000
They're throwing shit around. 
Will they clean up later? 

1078
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,320
She yeah, there's a there's a 
weapon of mass destruction that 

1079
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,400
she reads about. 
And she's like, we need to build

1080
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,120
this. 
We absolutely have to. 

1081
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,320
It doesn't matter if it serves 
no purpose. 

1082
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,120
Like we have to do it because of
what you know. 

1083
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,520
And she like riles everyone up 
and she's purely chaotic. 

1084
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,800
And there's no point in that. 
There's no reason she does that.

1085
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,320
And there's just so many moments
like that where she just does 

1086
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,160
these absolutely off the wall 
chaotic things. 

1087
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:16,480
She has this very close demeanor
that she puts on sometimes. 

1088
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,760
But I actually think that 
sometimes that's in like a, in 

1089
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,080
the vein of a of a more chaotic 
energy. 

1090
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,760
But what I remember her taking 
the chainsaw out, I remember 

1091
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,320
like it's just a bunch of 
impulsive chaotic decisions. 

1092
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,960
Sometimes they hurt people, like
when she made them build a 

1093
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,240
satellite for no reason. 
And you know, but like, that's 

1094
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,120
sort of what I mean. 
It doesn't need to be like an 

1095
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,960
evil action. 
It just needs to be something 

1096
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,520
that's a little careless at the 
least. 

1097
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,320
And for me, she sort of sums 
that all up, at least the 

1098
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,320
different parts in the show. 
But I love her character so much

1099
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,760
that I'm putting her right on on
my list. 

1100
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,200
Love it. 
And oh, do you want to go back 

1101
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,800
and forth or you want to do bam,
bam, bam, bam, bam. 

1102
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,120
What do you want to do? 
You want me to go? 

1103
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:02,600
You want to. 
Do so. 

1104
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,960
Let's go back and forth. 
Let's do that. 

1105
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,480
OK, so we mentioned her earlier.
I think she's gremlin adjacent, 

1106
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,400
but she falls under my goblin 
category. 

1107
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,240
She was the winner of my best 
girl of the year last year. 

1108
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:21,280
I just adore her character and 
sort of the whatever, all the 

1109
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,160
things that she brings to the 
table and that's Yuki from 

1110
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,280
Shoshamin series. 
I just I love her. 

1111
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,200
I love her demeanor. 
I love her presence that she 

1112
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,000
brings and sort of like this 
psychopathic character on the 

1113
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,040
inside but you know, cute little
girl on the outside and I think 

1114
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,920
that sort of reflects her 
character a lot and it drives me

1115
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,160
towards that show and makes me 
really fall in love with that 

1116
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,920
character. 
I adore Yuki and I think she is 

1117
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:54,800
a top tier gremlin and goblin. 
OK, my next pick is a character 

1118
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,840
that I kind of can't believe has
not come up. 

1119
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,520
It's from a show we both love. 
I'm gonna pick Aqua from Konosu 

1120
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,040
so. 
That's a good one. 

1121
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,120
Right I and I thought of this 
story. 

1122
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,040
I just completely she left my 
mind. 

1123
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,800
But all of the impulsive 
drinking and money spending and 

1124
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,920
everything she does is a spur of
the moment decision. 

1125
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,120
She has the cute little small 
faces she does sometimes. 

1126
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:31,240
She is pure chaos and is just. 
I think she is great at it. 

1127
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,600
Like the scene of her just 
vomiting and then drinking again

1128
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,600
the next day. 
That is a gremlin good. 

1129
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,200
Answer. 
Good answer, I like that I I 

1130
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,320
didn't consider Aqua as a 
gremlin but like everything that

1131
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,160
she does is like gremlin energy 
for sure. 

1132
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,680
That's a great pick. 
Love that my number 2 is Anya 

1133
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,120
Forger from Spy Family. 
I I think she's just a bundle of

1134
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:02,040
fun when it comes to being a 
rambunctious child gremlin. 

1135
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,920
The the situations that she gets
put into or puts herself into 

1136
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,520
and just the outcomes of these 
actions that she has are silly 

1137
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,600
and fun and normally not very 
consequential. 

1138
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,360
And I think that's a very 
important part of being a 

1139
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,280
gremlin itself, especially 
someone of her age where it's 

1140
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,640
sometimes it's like jokingly 
like the fate of the world is at

1141
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,960
stake, but like, it's more of 
just like the her normal days 

1142
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,720
going along at school and being 
like a wild child at some point.

1143
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,840
So I put her as my second spot 
of my Mount Rushmore. 

1144
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,360
And I would say some of the best
Gremlin faces in the business 

1145
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,280
come from. 
Smog. 

1146
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,520
Yeah, her smog faces. 
Are just the machine like the 

1147
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,320
little giggle thing is 
absolutely important. 

1148
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,920
OK, for three, you know her, you
probably don't love her, but I 

1149
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,320
do. 
And I'm going to pick Haruhi 

1150
01:06:54,320 --> 01:07:01,120
Sousamiya, who I just think is 
1A classic gremlin and 

1151
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,920
inspirational for a lot of 
gremlins that came after. 

1152
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,800
And then two, really just does 
exemplify to me what the concept

1153
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,920
of a gremlin is. 
And it's just this chaotic, 

1154
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,280
bored, doing whatever they can 
to entertain themselves without 

1155
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,920
necessarily thinking about 
others person. 

1156
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:26,040
Oh great answer love that one. 
My number 3 is Taiga from 

1157
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:31,440
Toradora. 
I I love the just everything 

1158
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,560
that she brought, like 
antagonistically, I would say 

1159
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:40,440
into Toradora sort of like while
being cute and fun in a lot of 

1160
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,280
instances that she did bring a 
different level of chaos. 

1161
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,960
I would say it's not like like 
this one, like involved like her

1162
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,120
family and stuff like that, like
a personal stuff that kind of 

1163
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,760
was like a a realer moment that 
I would say than most gremlins. 

1164
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,360
And I I appreciate that. 
I like her character a lot and 

1165
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,040
she's a lot of she's a bundle of
fun. 

1166
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,760
It wouldn't qualify for you 
since she's a Sundere, but I 

1167
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,960
think that she does a lot of 
gremlin things that would 

1168
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,320
qualify her for me. 
And I mean Tora Dora's one of my

1169
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,120
favorite shows of all time, so I
had to include. 

1170
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,640
Tiger yeah, my last pick is 
gonna be a character from a 

1171
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,600
thing that I I don't really like
that much as far as its media 

1172
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,720
is. 
But I think she is just a 

1173
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,880
gremlin and it's just sort of 
undeniable, you know, and I 

1174
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,240
don't like all the presidents on
Mount Rushmore, but there they 

1175
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:25,640
are. 
Yep. 

1176
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:31,279
And so I'm gonna put power from 
Chainsaw Man up there. 

1177
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,840
I think she absolutely has that 
gremlin energy. 

1178
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,200
Things like not flushing the 
toilet, amongst other things. 

1179
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,560
The sort of slop she lives in, 
how she doesn't really plan 

1180
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,680
ahead too much. 
She just does things 

1181
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,600
impulsively. 
Sometimes it goes good for her 

1182
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,600
and sometimes it goes bad for 
her, and sometimes it hurts 

1183
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,120
people and sometimes it helps 
people. 

1184
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:55,200
For me that is. 
And she has that feral energy I 

1185
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,640
talked about, like very much. 
So at the beginning, I think 

1186
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,720
Power is just such a gremlin. 
And she has her place on my 

1187
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,760
Mount Rushmore. 
Hell yeah. 

1188
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,800
OK. 
And my last one, you mentioned 

1189
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,840
it with Harwie. 
This is who I think of when I 

1190
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,640
think of Gremlin. 
I think she is the staple. 

1191
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,160
I think she is the prototype. 
I think this is what people look

1192
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,279
at for Gremlins. 
She is the Caitlin Clark of 

1193
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,040
Gremlins. 
And that's Clara from Welcome to

1194
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:30,120
Demon School, Earmakun. 
She's like Anya but on, I don't 

1195
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:35,080
know, large amounts of cocaine. 
Everything that she brings is 

1196
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,520
just hilarious and fun. 
Like the fact that her she. 

1197
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,359
Looks like 1. 
Her, her flip flops are like 

1198
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:43,040
crocodile teeth and stuff like 
that. 

1199
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,000
She's always out of control and 
wild. 

1200
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,120
She I think would fit perfectly 
in her miles where she is not 

1201
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,240
thinking past five seconds from 
now. 

1202
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:57,360
She is pure just go go go go go 
whatever happens happens type of

1203
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,320
thing. 
And every character, every 

1204
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,440
physical characteristic and non 
physical characteristic. 

1205
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,440
I feel like she fits the mold 
perfectly. 

1206
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,680
Or a gremlin. 
And when I think Gremlin, I 

1207
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,360
think Clara from Welcome to 
Demon School. 

1208
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,320
I've never heard of this 
character before. 

1209
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,160
I Googled her and yes, 100% one 
of those characters that you 

1210
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,200
just look at and you go, Yep, 
that's you don't need to break 

1211
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,440
it down. 
You don't need to think about 

1212
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:26,240
it, you know, and 100% great, 
great answer there. 

1213
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,480
If you see like GIFs of her, it 
will even cement that even more.

1214
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,160
She is a bundle of fun. 
If you like Gremlins and you 

1215
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,680
haven't seen Welcome to Demon 
School Earmakun. 

1216
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,760
Even if you don't like Gremlins,
if you haven't seen Welcome to 

1217
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,440
Demon School Earmakun. 
Fantastic show. 

1218
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:41,840
We're getting a fourth season 
soon. 

1219
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,400
So Miles, we've reached the end 
of the gremlin episode. 

1220
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,840
How do you think it came upon? 
Like? 

1221
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,560
How do you how do you feel about
this episode? 

1222
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,480
You got any parting words? 
Any final thoughts on gremlins 

1223
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:53,800
that you forgot but now you 
remember? 

1224
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,560
Yeah, I, I think it went well. 
I was nervous going into it 

1225
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,800
because, you know, I don't know,
it's just sort of, it's a hard 

1226
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,160
thing to define, as you can tell
from Pete and I doing it. 

1227
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:06,960
Some of the answers we got from 
our our discord. 

1228
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,960
It's definitely more of a vibe 
than a strict definition. 

1229
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:13,840
And you know, vibes are going to
vary from person to person. 

1230
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,160
But I think we had a fun 
conversation. 

1231
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,760
I think we had a good 
conversation about exploring the

1232
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,480
differences in our choices and 
everything. 

1233
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,040
I liked your little hierarchy 
of, you know, mischievous 

1234
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,920
creatures and I'm glad we did 
it. 

1235
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,240
I think it was fun. 
Yeah, me too. 

1236
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,360
It was fun to break this down, 
especially if it's like a new, 

1237
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:34,560
especially if we see more and 
more of these type of characters

1238
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,920
in our media going forward. 
It'll be fun to compare and 

1239
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,600
contrast and see where we land 
going forward. 

1240
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,000
But out there, anybody who's 
listening, if you want to let us

1241
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,560
know what you think of Gremlin 
is, what your Mount Rushmore of 

1242
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,720
Gremlins are, let me know. 
Let us know whether it's in our 

1243
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,120
Discord, whether it's in our 
YouTube comments, whether it's 

1244
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,480
in our Spotify comments. 
I read every single one of them,

1245
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:56,680
so I will see them. 
And yeah, it would be fun to 

1246
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,120
just, you know, get different 
people's opinions and sort of 

1247
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,440
see what people are thinking. 
And if you don't know what a 

1248
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,880
Gremlin is, hopefully we did a 
somewhat decent job at 

1249
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,520
explaining what these characters
are. 

1250
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,880
So Miles, thank you for joining.
It was a lot of fun. 

1251
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,080
This actually went longer than I
thought it was going to. 

1252
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,440
It actually is going longer than
our K pop demon hearts episode, 

1253
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,400
which is surprising. 
So that was a lot of fun too. 

1254
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,880
But thank you everybody. 
If you have made this far and 

1255
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,920
you want to support us, best way
to do so is to like, comment, 

1256
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,360
subscribe, leave a review on 
whatever platform you're 

1257
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,480
watching or listening to us on. 
Next week for watch club we are 

1258
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:32,560
doing coming some a kiss so 
looking forward to that. 

1259
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,320
Otherwise in two weeks I'm doing
something, don't know yet but 

1260
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,120
something will come out in two 
weeks though I've done this 100 

1261
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,120
times. 
I'll figure something out by 

1262
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,840
then but on behalf of Miles and 
myself I want to say thank you 

1263
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,680
and we will see you next time. 
Bye. 

1264
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,120
Bye bye, bye bye bye bye, bye, 
bye, bye, bye bye.