and pick me up again 'cause I. Hello ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to Anime Watch Club, a bi weekly group discussion and
review. We're the host of the Way You
Say Anime podcast. Nominate and vote on shows
either we haven't seen or shows that hopefully leads to a great
discussion. On today's episode, the Voltaire
fan club will be reviewing the 2010 anime The Twilight Saga
Eclipse. Let's meet today's lively and
super energetic cast. First up, I don't think he's
been on an episode for like 6 weeks and he got a new old mic.
We got Miles. Miles, how's it going?
It's it's going well. I also got a new set of pipes in
my house and that was expensive, so that was fun.
Hell yeah. Congrats on the new pipes, my
man. And our #1 Twilight team fan
Pat. Yes, my favorite.
Love this bit, can't wait to do it again next year potentially.
Who knows, it might not win the vote next year.
We'll see. We'll see.
I'm guessing it will though. But yes, we are watching.
There's one vote and it's me. Yes, exactly, but.
Thank you. Glad someone got the joke there
at least. There we go.
That makes two of us. But oh man, we're talking about
Twilight Eclipse. It's I believe it was 2010,
right? I think right. 2010 Rated PG13
done by Studio. Legendary Films.
What would the studio be? I guess in theory.
Is it not legendary films? Yeah, maybe Legendary films.
We're going to go with that. Written by Stephanie Meyer.
Did I remember that correctly? Yep.
Meyer, but yeah. We don't respect her so.
OK. Mormon lady.
Yeah, themes of supernatural,
fantasy, teen adventure, teen fantasy, teen romance.
Who done it? Action, adventure, drama,
fantasy and mystery. Yeah, let's who done it?
Apparently. Because who done Bella?
I guess in theory. I don't know like.
I I don't know, I wish this was a who done it.
Yeah, right. That would be neat.
It's what IMDb says. It's not my fault.
Blame Mal. Blame Mal like we always do.
But yeah, let's do our first impressions of this of this
anime. Pardon me, Pete, what are your
first impressions? And would you recommend The
Twilight Saga Eclipse? And also, I guess, did you watch
it before this? Did I watch Eclipse before this?
I know your answer, I'm asking. Of course I watched this movie
before. How dare you, Twilight.
I know I mentioned that Pat is the Twilight super fan, but it's
actually me and I love this franchise to a point, but there
comes to a point where you kind of need to stop doing the bit
and eclipse or the Twilight films.
I think it's like the worst of them all.
I think it loses a little bit of the gusto from me after I
stopped. I guess this came out when I was
in college so it kind of lost like the team feel that I had
and then re watching it as a grown ass man.
It is continuing to be a terrible film.
So I would not recommend this. I guess you kind of have to
because it's if you're watching all the clips or Eclipse of all
Twilight, you kind of have to watch it.
But I don't know, I feel like you want you could like do the
Cliff notes of this movie and then just jump into Breaking
Dawn. But we'll discuss more later.
But I would not recommend this film.
Maybe you'd recommend like watching the Cinema Sins video
of this movie? Yeah, I'm sure there's like a
recap movie YouTube guy that could give you like the Cliff
Notes in like a 12 minute YouTube.
That would probably be enough. If there is one out there, it
would be done by man of recaps. He's the goat.
The goat. His shirt with the with the fake
bow tie or like full suit. Oh I love that guy.
It's. Very good.
What do you said? You brought that up?
I watched his recap of Suits. I've watched all of it.
And then I decided to watch Suits because of it, even though
I know what's going to happen. So not the man of recaps.
I I watched Euphoria without any spoilers or knowing anything
about the show. The first episode aired last
night or a couple nights ago for us in the past I suppose, and I
had no idea who the characters were or anything.
I went in blind sitting next to Ashley.
And then I watched a Man of Recap's video last night to like
see what I missed or couldn't deduce from the first episode.
There's a good amount of stuff that I probably missed.
Makes sense if you skip two seasons.
Of a show, yeah. It helps.
Well, I thought it added to my experience though, too, of
enjoying Euphoria being like, oh, I don't have any emotional
attachment to these characters. So like, I don't know, maybe it
helps me see more clearly how much how Like, no, the actors
are still trying. People are just dumb online.
A lot of discourse around that. But yeah, let's circle back to
Twilight Miles, What are you thinking of Twilight?
What are your thoughts on your recommendations for it,
specifically Eclipse? Yeah, so, you know, some say the
world will end in fire and others say an ice.
One second. Let me get to my page.
From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favor
fire. But if I had to perish twice, I
think I know enough of hate to know that for destruction, ice
is also great and would suffice. Robert Frost.
In fact, I am kind of named Miles in honor of Robert Frost,
sort of, depending on how you look at it.
So I gotta stay. In some ways, this is the worst
Twilight movie. And Pete was saying that if you
keep going, you know, eventually the fun ends.
But other times, if you drink like one more beer, you know I
like. Where this is.
Going 99% of gamblers stop before they hit the jackpot.
And what I got to say is I think at this point I'm having fun.
You know what I mean? Like, we're just having fun
here. This movie isn't great, but like
I've acute acclimated enough to what this series is.
The series does not change its stripes, and I shouldn't expect
it to. And at this point, I can just
sort of enjoy the ride. I can enjoy that they finally
gave Taylor Lautner that haircut and they have that scene that's
entirely focused on the fact that he got a haircut and, like,
worked out a fuck ton. And like, that's fun.
What I recommend this. Yeah.
What I would say is skip the 1st 2 movies, OK?
And just watch. Just watch Eclipse.
You'll figure it out. It's fine.
You're probably right. Really.
Are we sure? I feel like you could probably
piece the story together pretty. Well, the clip is only bad
because it's retreading everything that happened in the
1st 2:00. Movies, yeah.
Like a lot a lot, right? But if you skip those, it's not
retreading anything. That was my issue the whole time
I watched the 1st 2 movies. Oh, how dumb of me.
Yeah, there's in in the same way that I, I suggested, oh God,
what was that show where I had like the awful take that I was
just like, ignore the first episode of the show.
You got oh rock and go Shinjo Shinjo.
Yeah, yeah, this is like that, but like less of a bit.
Like still a bit, but but less of 1.
I love it. Hi, I did not know that the
director for Twilight Eclipse, David Slade, did several
episodes of Hannibal, which is one of my favorite TV shows I've
ever watched and one of Ashley's as well.
He also directed a Breaking Bad episode, apparently a.
Breaking Bad episode. Which one?
Not Ozzy Mandias or whatever it's called.
Open episode season 4, episode 3.
So probably when spoiler Jesse does you know what, to his
parents. So yeah, that yeah, out of
context, it sounds worse than it actually is.
Yeah, I was going to say like that.
Actually, that might have made it seem a little worse.
Yeah, well, that's why it's a spoiler free, right?
No spoiler. There we go to talk more about
Twilight. I don't know, I, I, I watched
this movie and it happened and it exists and it's, it's a
movie. It like takes itself seriously
while also not at the same time, which I find impressive.
And where did all the budget go for this movie?
I that's what I want to understand too, because like
there's so many scenes where they it just is poorly edited or
just and the writing is really bad in my opinion, in terms of
like the flow of the story. It does end in a pretty cool
shebang, but it's just not. This was the least enjoyable out
of the three for me at least, and it's also my first time
watching it, so maybe that's why.
Maybe, maybe I would enjoy it more on a second viewing.
Probably not, yeah. Don't you have to lie to
yourself here? I'm trying to see all sides
here. I'm just not getting it all.
But yeah, let's let's discuss spoilers for Twilight Eclipse.
They do. They even show an eclipse, by
the way. Oh my God.
No, but they also don't show like, I mean like the next one's
called Breaking Dawn. I'm sure we see dawn at some
point. But like that's actually
fundamentally irrelevant to these vampires, right?
Like that would normally hold some sort of significance, but
it but it doesn't, nor would it eclipse, frankly.
So is that it might be a solar, like maybe it blocks out their
powers for the night. Like what's her name?
Can't see the future or yeah, but they're all.
Fucking like you know, if you want to see our opinion on the
power system in this, check out the 1st 2 episodes and if you
want the TLDR it's there's literally no downside to being a
vampire in this world. They have they have made it so
that it just makes you hot and good at stuff and immortal and
like I guess you uncontrollably crave human blood but like not
enough so that you have to do it.
So like whatever. Like if if you're ridiculous
humans, but like if you're not, you won't so.
But I figured out why it has the tag of whodunit.
I'm looking at the summary here and it is.
Danger once again surrounds Bella as a string of mysterious
killings terrorize Seattle and a malicious vampire continues her
infernal quest for revenge. And then amid the tumult, she
must choose between Edward and Jacob and if her decision might
have had a long simmering feud between vampire and werewolf.
Very exciting. So the reason that I forgot this
was a whodunit is because they immediately show you who's doing
the killings. I was just, like, saying this,
like, you've seen the first thing is that who's doing it?
Like, yeah. So you don't.
Yeah. They're not that mysterious.
They're mysterious for our characters.
And that's fine. But like, I still want to call
it a whodunit, You know what I mean?
Like, you're allowed to get some dramatic irony going on.
Like, that's fine. But like, I, I want to call it
that. Yeah.
So God, there are so many places to start, you know?
So one thing, you know, as usual, we had we had some
viewers submit questions for this.
And one thing I think that's important to note is all the
questions are also the type of questions you would ask for
movie 1 and movie 2 and frankly, movie 3 or 4 and five.
Once we get to those, you know, it's like, oh, is that the
relationship between Bella and Edward healthy?
No, no, Then why is it the way it is?
Because it's hot, but like it's not healthy.
So whatever. Like, you know, it's it's in the
same way that fruit baskets thought it would be a good idea
to have a middle schooler marry a teacher.
This thought it would be a good idea to have a, a 90 year old
Mary fucking Kristen Stewart. There are, there are some themes
running on here about some Christian themes about sex
before marriage. I, I thought that was pretty
interesting. I, that's actually a topic I
kind of want to bring up because Edward really wants to, you
know, follow that rule. And that's fine because he
doesn't want Bella's soul to get in trouble because she still has
one. But he does agree to turn her
after, which in his worldview, leads to eternal damnation.
And so I thought that was a little interesting.
We love. Yeah, we send our.
We send our loved ones to eternal damn it.
Yeah. And like, not, not to not to
say, you know, that someone can't have that view of, you
know, premarital sex, whatever. But it does seem, it does seem
odd to me that you would make a big deal about it if your next
action post that is. To eternally damn their soul.
Anyway, I think that's the first thing we have to talk about.
What the fuck is Edward thinking?
Why is this written into the plot?
What purpose does this serve? It seems contradictory.
I'll, I'll play devil's advocate.
I'll, I'll bounce back just a little bit because we're, we're
shown that Edward is a little bit more traditional.
Like he talks about his values where if he was courting, he
uses the word court and not date.
So if he was courting Bella in his original time frame, like he
just talked about how he would take her out on a date, he would
ask her father to hold her hand and stuff like that.
Where it's like really traditional values.
I would say little, little old school values.
And I think it makes sense in his character.
I guess I didn't interpret it as a religious thing, which knowing
the context of the author, it does make more sense that you
mentioned it that way. But I think with his character,
I just, I guess I interpreted to him as like an old soul and a
hot man's body. Counter counterpoint to that
counter a munch they mount they munch face constantly throughout
this like show or a show this this anime, they are they are
they make they are making out premarital hardcore.
So I do see what you're in a more serious counter in a more
serious counter to what you're saying.
I do agree. I think that it's more that he's
just, he doesn't want to permanently.
He doesn't want to turn her. I think he's he's probably
experienced this with someone else in the past or at some
point in his life. And he doesn't.
And we see a, we've seen from the back stories of more of the
Cullens. That's the last thing.
Yeah, the Cullens throughout this movie, yeah, they were
turned, but none of them had a good reason to be or, or were
happy to be turned, right? None of them, none of them were
turned for good reasons or became vampires for good
reasons. It's more like they they've had
to come to terms with the fact that they have been turned.
That was a weird sentence. But so I don't think he wants to
do that to Bella either. I think he would rather just,
you know, enjoy this teen fantasy for as long as he can.
And and then when she dies, let her go to heaven or do whatever
else. Like I, I, I don't think he
wants to eternally suffer with her.
I guess is his his his perspective on it.
Yeah, So my thought on the religious thing is he he harps a
lot. So like when we compare him to
like Rosalie, right, who is also jealous of or like didn't
necessarily want Bella to be turned because the circumstances
of her turning, which was like after she was left dead after an
assault by her fiance and some other guys probably.
A little bit more than that, but yeah.
In the book. It's more than that, apparently,
according to. Ashley, I was trying to be a
little, I guess, like vague as to not, you know, I don't know,
just bring up terms. Yeah.
And, you know, so she she talks about like that, but Edward is
very convinced that he is like a soulless monster who is going to
hell and he doesn't want to do that to Bella.
That's like part of his concern. You know, I don't know, it's a
little weird sometimes because sometimes he's like all for it.
And he's like, look, I know you'll never get to see your
family again, but they'll die soon anyway at the grand scheme
of things. And like, that was a thing he
said to Bella, and she was rightfully a little upset at
that because it's a pretty. I thought he was trying to scare
her out of it though, wouldn't you say?
Like that was why he said that. I guess, yeah, OK, just like
it's fair. I thought it started better this
movie, honestly, when they were talking about this stuff,
because it is a fairpoint that like Bella's not thinking about
even it's not like, oh, she can hang out and see her mother for
the next year or two or three or whatever.
And then like her mom's going to notice immediately.
Like you're not aging, you know, like, or anyone in her life is
going to be like what it what's going on?
Why are you still in an 18 year old's body for for lack of
better? Phrasing like be like I'm a
vampire. This is another thing.
Who fucking? OK, well circle back to that.
But like the point being that's like, yeah, she she is going
like he's thinking big picture, which is where I think is.
And he's trying to essentially make sure that she, I think he
does care for her, but he also doesn't want to show that beyond
show that so much that it jades her decision or influences her
decision. Whether she turns I I actually
think Edward takes a bit of a step up as far as being
controlling in this movie. Like the only thing he does that
is that I was like, well, that's a psycho thing to do was
purposely sabotage her car so she couldn't visit Jacob.
And like, admittedly that is a psycho thing to do, but like,
that's almost even a little less controlling and more like he's
racist against werewolves. You know and like.
He hates those damn Animorphs, right?
Like God damn. Yeah, I mean, he didn't.
And they hate, you know, they've got like, a feud going back
because I guess, you know, at one point in time, the vampires
did a little bit of a genocide against the werewolves.
Get over it. I it's so interesting if they
felt the need to write that in by the way, because like to me,
I think what it just makes sense that like a, a tribe of people
that they're, you know, the, the entire motif most of the time of
native tribes is being one with nature coming from the earth and
returning to the earth. Vampires are the antithesis of
that, right? Being immortal, being not, not
to mention praying on people traditionally or whatever.
But like, you would think that that would be enough of a, of a
feud where they're like, yeah, you're immortal.
We don't. You don't return to the Earth.
We do. So like, we don't like you.
Like, that should be enough of a conflict.
But they decided to add that like other vampires.
It's almost like an allegory for racism when you think about it,
because it wasn't the Cullens. It wasn't the Cullens.
And it probably wasn't an intentional allegory, I don't
think. I think you're the author, but.
I think it's like a weird one because the the lady who not so
sorry to speak over you, but like the lady who does the
massacre is dressed like a colonial European, right.
So it kind of seems like, you know, they were basically like,
now it's like, hey. Not all white people are like
that, though. Like that's sort of like what it
kind of feels like a Cullen's point of view is, is like, like,
sorry that this happened. And like, what happened was
horrific, right? She murders like 90% of everyone
in their tribe and like, but now they're like, hey, we're vegans,
you know? OK, well.
Not, yeah, not all vampires or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just like, it's, I
guess it's like a little tough, you know, where there definitely
is like a bias there. And that I guess the reality of
the show proves to us that it's not inherently healthy.
But it's also in the same way that like, like, I'm glad
women's shelters exist and I'm not going to go there and be
like, oh, I'm not going to, you know what I mean?
Like, that's just not the thing. Like, you know, they're just
trying to chill and do their thing and like not, you know,
they're not like attacking the Cullens or anything.
They're like annoyed that they're in the area, but they're
not being aggressive about it or anything, right?
Jacob specifically is like, I, I want you to stay away from them
because I, I don't like these people.
I'm biased against them. And also I think you're smoking
hot and want to bang like, you know, but like, that's not the
whole group. Like they actually immediately
decide to work with them. They immediately decide to work
with each other as soon as any threat.
So really remote. Exactly.
Well, that's that's why I'm like, it's like a weird racism
algor, even though they get the whole purpose of it.
It's like they're the the Cullens are blamed for what the
other vampires did, not what they did right necessarily.
Which again, I I would like to think maybe that was on purpose,
but maybe it wasn't. Again, knowing the author, just
knowing that, knowing that if I didn't know about Stephanie
Meyer, I would think that this movie was a lot better.
I guess I, I maybe that's a a question to ask you guys.
Are you in the same boat or and the series, maybe I should say
like like would you? Know it you got to wait for the
the the 4th book like I I I keep I know we keep doing this.
I know we keep doing it. There are OK, one there's like
the worst like plot point, the type of thing ever in it that's
like it's it's a like a literary device that I I despise.
In fact, I've gone on like a 20 minute rant about it on one of
our previous episodes. But the other thing is, and they
hint towards it early on this, but one of the things that
happened happens is so absurd and frankly feels like character
assassination on the point of the author in order to to just,
you know, you don't like that thing in Ruby where they didn't
do a good job of making that one guy like do a slope towards
being the bad guy Armstrong or something.
His name is. Oh, Ironwood, Yeah.
Iron. OK, yeah, so it's like that.
But if it was worse, I promise. Because I've heard I, I don't
know what's happened. I actually clicked on spoiler
and Ashley almost killed me when I when you guys were talking
about Breaking Dawn earlier this week in the in the chat and I
joined our discord by the way. But I I still have avoided any
spoiler or anything along those lines for.
But I have heard that like the ending of Breaking Dawn Part 2
is just batshit insane, or that there is a moment that is just
so unbelievably either out of character or just ridiculous
that it completely ruins the movie and.
Advice for people with Yeah, it's not even a character
choice. It is something that happens due
to the intrinsic nature of. Anyways, you know, there's a lot
to be said about what Stephanie Meyer has already written,
right? And like I, I think it up to
this point and you guys could talk to me there is like
obviously it's like abusive, but like I personally don't mind in
fantasy having some relationships that are unhealthy
because I don't know, it's a good way to explore and think
about things and it leads to these conversations.
And you know, I like toxic women, right?
So like if someone likes toxic men, like whatever, you know
what I mean? Like it's not how it manifests
for me in real life. Like Edward's not that bad as a
person. I don't think like from what I
remember from this movie other than like you said, like I think
he's going about his situation as well as he probably could.
I guess is maybe a way to that. I would rephrase what I just
said because obviously he's little vampire and a parasite
and blah blah blah blah blah. But like.
Well, he does do the like. I'll kill myself if you don't
like like my life is. Nothing you.
Do that they both do it. They both do it.
They. Both do it.
They're not in a very healthy relationship, Like, and I'm not
going to say that makes him like a bad person because like people
can be in toxic relationships and get out of them and improve
themselves. But like, I also do think and
like, I, I think you have to sort of put this to the side and
I'm happy doing it with like a lot of like vampire bullshit or
whatever, but it's just like he is like 100 and Bella is 17.
That's a fair point. Yeah.
I was kind of already internalizing that that's puts
it aside. But you're right though, that is
that is objectively probably the worst thing about him, right, is
the fact that he's even entertaining the idea that he
could be in a relationship like this or or that.
But yeah, but the. Way that I disagree, but the way
that the way that love is go. Ahead.
Oh, I was going to say the way that like love is written in
this in multiple ways, but it's not a choice.
It's not written as a choice that people have in any way, not
in the sense that like you can't, you know, like, oh, I'm
in love with someone that I shouldn't be in love with, you
know, my student, my whatever, you know, some sort of thing.
And so I'm going to I'm going to lay off, I'm going to work
through that internally and I'm not going to act on it.
Right. Like that's that.
That's what I mean by choice. This is like the way Stephanie
writes this, we're on first hand basis is, is that it is like
imperative that without the random fate determined person,
right, that you cannot exist. Like that's how she views true
love, right? Or at least that's how this
universe views it. And you see that when they talk
about the the werewolf thing with the imprinting where the
one guy is just like, yeah, I was dating this girl.
But but then literally nature told me that I am meant to be
with this person forever. And we are intrinsically tied to
each other like supernaturally. And it has to be.
And he's just lucky that wasn't a 12 year old like, you know, so
or for pods. Tees wait till next movie or two
movies. For the Lord, I'm just thinking
about imprinting and I'm thinking about what vampires and
like thinking about, oh boy, this is I.
We got a year. I've got a year to mentally
prepare for this, apparently. But sorry, Pete Miles, you
finished your broader point. Pete was going to say something
about his the way he views like vampire.
He's probably like, at some point you just have to make the,
I don't let Pete say, but you have to sort of accept this as a
conceit of the genre. Yeah, 100%.
Like when you're immortal essentially, like I feel like
age kind of who? Are you dating?
Yeah, it, it kind of like the difference between like a 30
year old and like a 60 year I, I mean, the person's different,
but like, it, it, it, it doesn't bother me as much in stories
like this because that's just what happens in this type of
storytelling. That that's completely fair.
I, I think especially like, I, I, I just think with the context
of the fact that Bella is like still a high schooler versus
Edwards 100, right? Like that's where it gets a
little dicey for me. Because like, like you
mentioned, like, oh, a 60 and a 30 year old, a 30 year old's
capable of making their own decisions at the end of the day.
Like they're maybe not, they're not going to make the best ones,
but they're capable of it. Versus like she's 18, man, you
know, like or not even, right? Isn't she even younger when they
first meet? Like it's kind of like who they
versus again, like Edward has so much experience.
Like I, I wish, I kind of, I guess I just kind of wish he was
a younger vampire, if that makes sense.
Like if you make it a little bit more like, oh, he's only gone
through high school twice or something.
So, but this is also it's like a it is a it is like a young girls
or like a teenage girls or. Fantasy.
Like it's a fantasy, right? Like this, this gentlemanly from
a different era that like fucking sucked by the way, like
1910 to 19, whatever was fucking awful.
There's a World War going on, there's a massive pandemic going
on. Everyone was horribly racist.
It was just it was not a good time.
But it's. I was about to say, it sounds
very similar to what's going on right now.
Say what you want about what's going on right now, I'm not sure
I'll yeah, I'm not trading in and in for the fucking the
Spanish flu in World War One. It's you know, you know, not to
say that it's perfect right now or that it's even good, but that
particular span of five years wasn't great.
Millions of people died and then everyone came home.
We got everyone else sick and millions of poor people died.
It was, it wasn't great, but like, you know, it's this ideal
of, you know, older gentlemanly traditional values of virtuoso
at piano. But also despite all those
things, he's actually like in a certain lens, still pretty young
and hot, you know, and also he's like super strong and can
protect me and he would fucking die without me.
And like, in, in some ways, I think that fantasy is like fine
as long as it's understood that it is a fantasy, you know what I
mean? And then there's like a whole
conversation to talk to about how well that is conveyed in the
source material, which, you know, not great, but it happens.
You know, it's like, it's just like that sort of thing where,
you know, someone like how Adam Sandler always writes his love
interest to be hot women because he's like, I'm more or less just
as character. And I think Jessica Alba's hot.
So yeah, that's a good, you know, it's like.
But didn't he marry one of them? I heard.
Didn't he marry the Adam Sandler?
Yeah. Didn't he marry the chick from
Billy Madison? Did he?
I think that's his wife. Damn.
Maybe I'm. Mistaken.
She's in. She's in some movies with him,
I'm pretty sure. I know he has daughters, that's
all I know because they were in happy job too.
Sandler. Welcome to Adam Sandler.
Yeah, OK. She's in.
She's in a few different she. OK wait, she's in.
Just go with it. Which is that?
That's not Jessica Alba, but I forget different some.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Brooklyn Decker shout out to
her Ali know that because she. Andy.
Roddick and I love Andy Roddick. OK, good tennis player.
There you go. Yep, what he's known for.
He's won what major? The last American male to do it
right. I think that's.
Correct. Damn.
Yeah, Yeah. So that's pretty Piafo.
Piafo and Fritz and Shelton. Yeah, we kind of kind of are OK
at women's tennis right now too. We need to be.
In the back, we need to be in the back.
Badly. I mean, Coco golf is pretty
good, what am I saying? Not in majors though, right?
Like, I don't know. Hasn't she won one?
I feel like Serena was good enough that we get to be good at
women's tennis for like. It's true.
Yeah. Well, I'm expecting Coco to be
Serena Williams level and or Venus Williams level even is
maybe unfair to her in that. And she's also still only like
21, right? Or something like that.
Yeah. So like, it will come with time.
I just, I, I wanted her to just take over the world again.
But maybe she will soon. Shout out women's tennis.
Yeah, we're talking this is a woman's tennis.
Well, that's how you get like ranked, right?
Didn't, didn't the tennis podcast win an award or
something like that recently? The time Top 500 podcast or
something, I don't know. It was like the highest rated
sports podcast. I was too busy.
I saw that we were number one. I'm like why do I need?
Why am I even looking down on these kind?
Of yeah, that was we just like we went to the top and of course
it was, what do you say, anime. Kang at one point the number 3
anime podcast in Indonesia. That is true.
I'm not even making that up. That's not too bad.
There's a lot of people there. Shout out to all six listeners
in Indonesia. Why don't we can I talk about a
scene that pissed me the fuck off?
Like really hard. OK, so it's like in the first
half of the movie and you guys can talk about your least
favorite scenes if you have one. But there's the scene where
they're chasing Vic and like the movie is over, there's all of
the Collins are chasing after them, all of the the the tribe
is chasing after her on the other side of the river.
And then fucking what's his face was like, don't jump over the
river. Don't jump over the river.
That's their territory. And then he jumps over the river
and then the wolves attack him instead or like, whatever.
And then they stop chasing Vic and like the whole point of the
scene before that was like training to get ready and
understanding that this is our side and that's their side.
And then they just like you just for some reason.
What's his name? What's the big beefy vampire?
Emmett. Emmett, Emmett Just like, Nah,
I'm a getter. I'm a jump over the river.
And then just like the scene was over, I could not see the.
Joke. I know, but it was so dumb.
Like the scene itself was so moronic.
There are 7 vampires chasing after one and if for some reason
they get away from those or she gets away from those seven,
there's six giant ass werewolves on the other side of the river.
It's like it's game over. So like the fact that that scene
was in the movie pissed me off because it made no sense is
terrible. It was 13 verse one and one one
and she should not have won. Oh my God, drove me crazy.
I don't know if you guys have a least favorite scene, but that
was my least favorite scene in the entire that and when Bella's
like, fine, I'll kiss you. And then he like makes out with
like Jacob and just like they're just both creaming their pants.
I'm just like this scene is so stupid like I don't see what.
Oh, on top of the mountain? Yeah, like I.
Understand why they're doing it, but I'm like, it was, I don't
know it. It felt like Bella was like, no,
I actually I'm Polly now. That shit's.
That shit's art. OK, I have to say this is art.
No, it's not. NTR defender files Narita top
roads #1 fan right here. Who?
Narita Top. Row.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The NTR horse.
Here is why that scene is art and anime.
Anime needs more of this. OK, because that scene out
there, that scene is for the Jacob fans.
It gives you Jacob moment. You, you get your moment.
No, you get your moment. That's not a good moment.
Not like this. We got it, we got our right, we
got the moment 5 minutes before when he got to be the one
cuddling and warming her because.
Like that scene too? Edward is incapable.
I liked that scene. I thought that scene was smarter
and more intelligent. I know.
I can't believe I'm defending this.
This motherfucker defending this movie.
You think that was a team? Jacob OK, So what is wrong with
you? I'm not saying it was.
You're like, oh, that seems so stupid.
Of course it's stupid. It doesn't fucking matter that
it's stupid. This is Twilight.
We shouldn't fucking care if it's stupid.
It's. It's pretty warm out.
It's still 80. Degrees out around.
It's like 80° here. Yeah, that's what I call.
Like, it doesn't, It doesn't. It doesn't matter if it's
stupid. Like like at the end of quints
when all of the quints kiss Futero at different times and
you're like oh who's going to win And like they all get a kiss
moment in. Sorry for that minor spoiler
pat, but I'm sure you don't care.
I've for that show is a race for my brain after the first season
ended on cliffhanger so it's OK. Show is art, but terrible
ending, by the way. I know see.
But Pete, would you rather have what happened to Nino happened
to No, I don't want that, OK. I want Jacob to win by playing
by the rule. I want him to outclass.
I want him to outmatch. Edward, he started by not
playing by the rules, right? He's like, I'm going to kiss you
and it's going to be so awesome you're going to forget.
And she's like, no, I, I didn't. You're like, kind of weird.
He's like, fuck yeah. You know what?
Honestly, in retrospect, shouldn't have done that.
My bad. I'm a piece of shit.
Did a good job taking accountability, right?
Then he's like hanging out and she's like, look, I want you to
kiss me. What's he supposed to be like?
No. Yes, yeah.
Shoot your fucking shot dude. Shoot or shoot this.
Is why. And you Ichika fans need to get
out. You guys are nothing.
But look, First off, 1st off, I'm a Nino fan first and
foremost. True, this is implied.
Who are you? A defender.
Of I am a Ichika defender, but are you saying that Jacob is
Ichika? Half of her.
He's half of her because he's not quite the level of snake.
He's a snake. He's not any level of but.
He's not an Anaconda. He's like, what's a kind of
dangerous but not super dangerous?
He's like A Bola constrictor, like a newborn Bola, newborn
Bola. He, he is a little toxic
masculine with the first kiss, right?
He's going in on it. He's just like I.
It doesn't matter. I'm so fucking hot, right?
That's not a good thing to do. We all agree with that.
He learns his lesson. He waits for express permission
and gets it. But he like pressured her into
the whole time. It was him like pressuring her
to say that. Yeah, yeah, fuck it.
There's the whole time it was Edward in it for in the context
of this movie, that is hot. Now, that's not hot.
But in the context of this movie, Bella gets off on it OK,
and you can tell. You're right.
I'm. I'm actually gonna change my
entire stance that you are absolute.
I need to think of it in the context of who it's being
targeted towards and why they're doing it.
Yeah, you know what? Fuck it.
That that scene was great. I'm not opposed to changing my
mind. You made very good points.
I changed my mind. I'm Team Miles on this one.
Yeah, like obviously in a vacuum, in reality, as we are
watching it, that seem is fucking stupid, right?
But from like a melodrama soap opera point of view, it's it's
it's fucking five. Kiss me.
Oh, OK. You're saying that you're like,
I, I value, I'm going to show you that I value our friendship
so much that I'll cheat on my boyfriend.
Like kind of, but like, not really.
But like this will make you learn that like you're not him.
You know what? I'm I'm just like, I'm cheating.
My my letterbox score of Eclipse.
OK. I don't think it should have had
that much of an effect. It's going up to A2.
What's it out of? Ten or five, it's five stars. 30
It's five stars on letterbox. OK, OK, so you could move like a
Fort. I mean, I don't know everyone in
this in this, how weird is the fucking Cullen family?
Like, I don't know, it's just everything about this is so
weird, right? They're all like adopted
children, yet they're all fucking each other, right?
And like how like no one know what like Edward's the first one
to like leave the family at all. But like then also.
He's going to, she's going to join.
We're all, we all know it. Like what the fuck is happening
there? Why is Jasper a Confederate
soldier? Why?
Why couldn't he be a Union soldier?
You know, it's so easy. So easy.
Just make him a Union soldier. Yeah.
It's so dumb. Was it the point?
Kind of like because he was the bad guy and now he changed as a
person, so therefore vampires are the bad guys.
Now they can be viewed as the good guys type of thing.
That's kind of what I first of all, I want to say it's stupid,
but like, that's kind of what I took away from it.
Yeah, but he was the general of a battle that was won, so it's
complete. Bullshit.
He was, yeah, he was the youngest major.
I'm looking at the information. We know he was not drafted.
He was eager to fight. You never saw combat, right?
I think was what they said. Yeah, however you didn't fight a
real battle this big time. Transport and commanding he was
found by but turned him into a vampire lost cause and a way to
provide him with military training experience.
Could have, could have done that with anything else.
Could have been any other war. Or any other war too.
Any other war is the other big. That's the key point though,
too. It it could have been any other
war too. But again, like it's just so
such a pure fantasy that he was a freaking civil war.
Like like, yeah. Yeah, and like the the thing for
me too is like he could be like, you know, I I was raised in
this, but I've learned as I've, you know, like show a little
plus side to to him. You know, you could.
They don't no, they don't examine it at all.
Bella was just like, OK, you are a good federate.
That's fucking fine. That's normal.
What a normal thing to run into in the year 2010.
Not like holy. Oh, dude, First off, not like
holy fuck, what a useful source of information this is.
Maybe I'm being a little too analytical on it, but like.
You're. Spending, you know, all of these
people. Oh holy shit, what great first
hand accounts. They would be Vermont.
It was a historian. Yeah, I would like to hear.
What they have to say? Curious human ever.
You don't want to know what fucking World War One was like.
Like, oh God. What did mustard gas taste like?
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm looking at a Reddit that in that in that
part of the South at the time, all able bodied young men
served. Good point.
The response. Yeah, he voluntarily signed up,
though. When he was underage.
Glaring omission. Yeah, I mean, like they're, you
know, it's almost like many young men were pressured to and
expected to enlist 100% makes perfect sense.
Have the character explain that at all.
At all. Literally at all.
Acknowledge the fact that he didn't want to serve Yes,
especially not it's not like his well, you get to tell his
parents like they've been dead for 150 years, you know, like
it's not so dumb like. Yeah, I, you know, it's like,
you know, I don't, I think if he changed his mind on the topic of
states rights and slavery or whatever the fuck, I don't think
his parents would be upset at this point.
My parents still love me and I'm more or less a communist.
So like, you know, what do we? Do I kind of wish Jasper's
character sort of had like a lingering hatred towards
something from his path? Like he's just like a changed
person throughout? Like being immortal, but then
he's just like, he still has something that he just can't let
go. I think that would be a great
thing for his character. There's like 1 1/2 black people
in this movie too by the way. Ashley pointed them both out to
me. So maybe that maybe we don't
know because they didn't show black people for Jasper.
Well, who kills? Yeah, the bad guy of the the
first movie. Oh, that's right.
Jesus, that's right. I again, I don't remember
anything of these movies after a year so.
Some people would say maybe Jasper didn't like what's her
name because she was in a mixed race relationship.
Oh God. I don't see any Rose Rd.
No. What's what?
I forgot whatever the bad lady's name is with the red hair.
Who had a a name that reminded you that she had right there?
Well, no, she's. Isn't she the person in this
movie? That's right, because change the
actress. That's why it's Jurassic World
Girl Bryce. Howard that that's the that
you're right. I completely I think that
they're different people because they're two different actresses.
Yes or actresses? Yes.
They I I I this sidebar, they make every beautiful, beautiful
actress in this movie not more hot when they're vampires.
They may I I like Bryce Dallas Howard is is that's her name, I
believe, right? She is so so like just looks so
much better without the vampire stuff going on and the wig that
she had on or the the weave, whatever it was, was not well
made. Again, like this is where I'm
like the production I felt of this movie was noticeably worse
than the last ones, other than specifically the big like, you
know, fisticuffs at the end brawl.
I don't I don't know if you guys felt similarly, but like I I
don't know, like that the two in the Cullen family are so much
prettier without their in my opinion, without their.
I think everyone in the so I, I was talking to Kayla about this
and you know, she was like, I was always team Jacob and like,
I think all of like the wolf people are like way hotter.
And I think part of that is like the amount of pale they are is
like, even if you're into like a very pale complexion, it's like
it is over the top. I personally think Rosalie looks
fine with it. Alice looks a little sickly
though is intriguing in a looks like a pale goth girl kind of
way. I don't know.
But I I I agree that they're not doing any.
Why can't this is put on makeup? Why can't they just?
Be hot. Why can't they put on too much?
I guess like, I don't know, like.
I mean in the context of the movie, I mean like, because like
in movie, they're not. Yeah, I see, I see, I see.
That's a great. Point probably would help with
the whole fucking glitter thing. You know what, it doesn't
matter. Jasper got a much better hairdo
this movie. Yes, agreed.
That's important to note. I just got to say Alice is a 45
out of 10. I don't care what anybody's
does. Have you seen her without the
vampire shit on though? That's my point.
Like she's even on no. Oh, OK, fair enough.
Fair. Enough the vampire makeup stays
on. Sorry, babe.
Yeah, sorry babe. Show me your.
Pussy. Whoa, whoa.
It's Van. Pussy was right there.
Come on. Like OK, I was doing like a
clussy thing from the clown memes but where is this going
dude? It just have you not learned the
theme of this episode Beat. It doesn't fucking matter where
it's going. That was my entire point at the
beginning. It doesn't none of this matters.
I'm just. Anna Kendrick is in this.
There's another. One Yeah, yeah, OK also also the
the fact that they they show Anna Kendrick as some like
undesirable, not cool person that Bella wouldn't actually
want to be friends with. Fuck you, OK, She goes on to be
the fucking late singer of an amazing acapella group and there
is what do you do, Bella? Yeah, you.
Ain't shit because I'm stupid. Some amazing films lately, but
yes, fair. Oh my God, do we have another
viewer? Oh, wait, OK, wait, that that
can we talk about that? Yeah, really quick, though that
group is called the Bellas in a little whoa, sort of fun full.
Circle. Yeah, get out of here.
Alka, excuse me. No.
Have you heard the song by David Guetta?
Is it? I remember I was like, look, it
has it has one flaw and you were like, there's no way it has a
flaw. And I was like, no, this scene,
you're like, damn, that's a flaw.
You're right, you're right. I feel like we bring this up
every Twilight episode. We have to reference the seated
Pitch Perfect where she's taking a shower and have you heard of
this, you know, song on YouTube that has 2 billion views that
nobody. That have you seen Pitch
Perfect? I have seen Pittsburgh, the
shower scene where it's revealed, like there there's a
guy in there the whole time. That scene.
Yeah, I can't lie. I don't.
Need to remember that part of it.
I remember watching the movie and having different priorities
than what they were saying I suppose.
I don't care. Yeah, she's typical.
Typical. I did not mean it like that, OK?
No, no, no. I meant I was staring at her
like, not, not, no, no, no, don't, don't put that evil on
me. I was doing something much
grosser. All right.
Very much kidding. No, I like the movie.
I think the the acapella riff offs, whatever they are, are
really, really clever. I wish.
Yeah, no, it's they're a fun time.
We needed that twilight like an yeah, we did off against.
As I need I need to describe the scene though because that
doesn't know it. So Anna Kendrick is in the
shower and whoever the the lead lady the the redhead one at the
blonde 1 you know, comes in and hears her singing titanium which
is like a Sia and David Guetta song.
I know that song. So those are two very big
people. And the main character, Anna
Kendrick, her bit is like, she likes EDM sort of stuff.
And like, yeah, like at the time that was like, I guess a bit
cutting edge, but like, also only like years before that.
But like, as far as popular Zeitgeist movies, I guess, you
know. And then so she's like, oh,
like, like she starts harmonizing with her to like,
get her to sing more something she's like.
And then she like turns around. She's surprised.
She goes, you know, David Guetta.
And it's like, yes, of course that is not that's not even like
someone who's big, but like there's possible tonight, you
know, you could do like dead Ma or something, but like it's
who's like so massive, like David Guetta, the person who had
like multiple number one charts at this point, like just
ANYWAYS, that that scene always drives me crazy because it's
just so very like fellow Kinsey, like, you know, you know.
Katy Perry. Oh my God.
Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yes.
It's that it's like you would have had to do that or like
Taylor Swift or something and it, you know, it's just Jesus.
But back-to-back to the movie, we're talking about this, of
course be we have to like clips. I do.
I have. I have what I consider to be the
most important question of this. We learned from the back story
that Jasper that was a vampire in the Confederate army and that
the Confederates enlisted other vampires in order to, I don't
know, to have better soldiers or something.
Not not not like a bad idea I suppose.
I wouldn't know how how they would lose if they had fucking
vampires who we can see like one of them could just like
massacred like a small city. But does this mean we're in a
shared cinematic universe with Abraham Lincoln?
Vampire hunter thoughts? Abe could never tell a lie.
Yeah, OK, so that's that's the only way that the the vampire
Confederates lost was Jasper, Saul, Abe and all of his fucking
vampire hunting glory and was like, Nope, I'm out.
That's oh goodness. I don't.
Know it's a funny thing to think about.
I feel like it's it's necessary for the world if the South is
playing dirty, that we have to have an ace up our sleeve.
And I think Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is a great ace up
our sleeve. So I would say yes, it is cannon
to this world. Head to cannon.
OK, yes, I I think that that's great anyways.
Like was this book released after 911?
Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm just trying to
wonder out loud. I'm sorry.
I'm trying to like. No, no, no, no, no.
It's OK. It's OK.
You're you're allowed to be younger than me and Pete, who
were in high school when this book came out.
I I was like, yeah, obviously I think I was like elementary
school because I remember the, not the first wave of it, but
the like middle school was when like the final book came out, I
think, and all the girls were reading it and I was like, I am,
I'm going to keep reading Rick Reardon and Percy Jackson,
Captain Underpants, where that. Oh, you know what?
Yeah. So read that a lot, yeah.
I think Eclipse is sort of where it blew up, just judging by when
they came out and when I remember people starting to talk
about it, they. Made more money than Iron Man 2.
That's pretty crazy. I I it is funny that they came
out year to year to year. Reminds you like the good old
days when movies actually had sequels come out, not six years
later. Looking at you Dune.
But yeah, it is. It is very interesting to see
like be like, Oh yeah, in 2010 I was doing this like 20.
Yeah, whatever. Like all this stuff in my head.
I don't know where my thought was going.
I'm sorry. Like it's cool.
I don't know. It's just cool to be like
nostalgia glasses. Hey, remember Ben?
You remember when this and you know, like shit like that.
Yeah, no, I I get it. I I remember being in Calc and
talking to Caitlin Sayers about it so.
I love how you use proper names every time you bring up someone
from your past. It's that's impressive.
So stories are way better if you if you first last it and like if
you can first middle last it. That's government.
Oh yeah. I don't think I should dox my
ex-girlfriend on OK so I won't first middle and I won't
government her. Her Social Security number is.
Good chance it starts with a four and it's almost a.
Good chance, yeah. Which born in Minnesota.
Is that how that works? I have no idea, mine's sort of
before spoiler. It doesn't work that way
anymore. It doesn't.
Well, you just made it like 95% easier to guess you're social by
the way by saying that. Take all my student loan debt,
please. Thank you.
Yeah. Please.
Yeah, really now it's very interesting.
They, they used to do, yeah. Do these vampires have Social
Security numbers? Like how do they sign up for
loans and like stuff like that? Is this, is this what is this
the, the secret that Elon Musk found out when he waited
everything like that? He's like, oh, I can't tell
anyone about the, the dark secrets of the Social Security
thing. It's like it wasn't just that
like variable overflow thing from like when they first
digitized them and made them all like some weird date like 200
years ago that he thought it was just a bunch of dead people, but
it was just like a bunch of people born in the 50s.
It was actually the existence of vampires and how they're, yeah,
what's up? I wonder what Edward Cullen's
pensions like at this point for his World War One enlistment.
Only pretty good I would think. It's been a long time.
Also, there's a giant fucking fight at the end of this movie.
Best scene, best scene in the movie.
I think like again, that's where like most of the budget had to
have gone right? Like did did you guys not like
it? I am I Am I alone in?
That I mean, I just mean like sure, in so far as like one, I'm
I've never been a big fight fan, right.
Like we've been posting that thing about like those anime
that we like in our thing for like the last day and a half and
like I've just been stuck on a show that I like the fights in
because I'm like, I literally can't think of anything but
this. I don't know, part part to me is
like how low stakes this was where it was like, OK, we're
we're going to like we're getting invaded by like newbie
vampires, which are like stronger.
But then, you know, Jasper's like little did you know, I won
the confederate baby vampire Fight Club.
And which why would you want them to kill them?
It doesn't matter. But that was dumb like that.
Like what they just use them, use all of them.
It just sit. It doesn't matter.
It's fine. But like, I don't think like
there wasn't a lot of tension. The only tension was like when
they found Bella because Edward is stupid, because they had this
whole plan and then they just sort of got rid of that plan to
to like angst all over each other.
But then that Lady shows up and we kind of have like a talk new
jitsu. But it's like if the end if like
Naruto did like a head snap if he was like just kidding bam
after talking about the power of friendship or whatever.
After talking. Wait, which?
Which I guess now that I describe, it's pretty cool.
I was just saying, well, to me, I knew that the stakes were not
very high. I was like, I wondered if they
maybe would kill off, like, who's the one that we were just
gushing over? Female vampire, not Eve.
Alice. Alice.
Thank you. Yeah.
Like if they killed Alice or something because her power,
well, because her power was so overpowered that I was like,
maybe they kill her or have her. Do you have?
Anything. Yeah.
Did you see the? Voltari and they're like ha ha
mother. Oh no, I I meant the use of
Alice's power in book 4, which is incredibly stupid and dumb.
Oh, I thought. You talked about it's pretty
dumb in this whole series. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know, The
Cullens are all more stronger than the fucking Voltar.
At least Edward and Dallas, Yeah, being able to see the
future is really good, especially when it turns out to
be pretty accurate. And then Edward, Edward can see
the present, but like, better than everyone else because he
can read everyone's thoughts. So.
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous, but I guess for me then, yeah,
the stakes to just to finish that thought was like I the
reason I liked the fight was I thought the idea of like, Oh
yeah, they just punched a vampire's head off and that was
what was enough to like decapitate them.
Like that was cool. Or the some of the moves that
they pulled off or the set pieces were more entertaining
than talk no jutsu was for the rest of the movie.
Like it was. So I, I guess that's why I
enjoyed it. I certainly is not going in my
top five fights of all time or anything like that.
It's just I enjoyed. And the wolves, too, are pretty.
Cool, pretty cool. Don't really see how they won
against the vampires. I guess they kind of like made
it easier for them, the vampires or the the Cullens to kill the
vampires by taking them down or beating them up or something.
But I don't know. I just, you know, a fight scene.
It reminds me of, have you seen like the It's Always Sunny in
Philadelphia clip where they're like beating up kids in the
street. So the, the, the tension of that
fight reminded me of that scene where it's just like you have
grown ass, you know, vampires who have been around for
hundreds of years. Versus vampires who are all less
than a year old, it's like, yeah, of course they're all
getting Molly wamps. Like for sure.
Like there was like what they needed to do to build the
tension is if you're if you've ever played StarCraft, they just
needed the Zerg. Like they just needed like
instead of like 30 newborns, they needed 3300 or something.
Like they needed to be like a real threat.
But it's also crazy that like in this area, I know what they they
mentioned Seattle and everything like that, but it's like part of
Forks as well that they report that there's like in the last
year, just like 16 murders unsolved.
It's like it could be a serial killer.
I'm like, what else would it be in this world?
Like, is it so crazy? They just kind of like,
nonchalant? He's like, yeah, this is the
16th person that has gone missing in Seattle.
It's like. There's a by the way problem.
Happening. It's.
It's more than that, I think, by the way, which is big.
I've noticed that too. I was like, this can't like this
would be the FBI would be easier by now like.
Massive problem. Massive population in Forks by
the way of 3464. So honestly, if there's like 2
that happened from Forex Bella's dad getting fired just
immediately, Yeah, it's. And Bella's dad's only looking
for one person. He's only looking for what's his
name, Riley, or whatever his name is, Bailey.
The local, that's he was the local, yeah.
Yeah, he's that's like, yeah. Yeah, that that was the guy they
tried to to talk into to. The not killing Bella or
whatever, Yeah. Which he was surprisingly easy,
easily convinced for the moment like that was kind of so he also
gets dragged off screen and we don't see him die.
Like I, I don't know if that's on purpose for the next movie or
something or not, but no, he's dead.
I mean it's it's implied. It's implied.
It's just I would have liked to have like, I don't know, we see
the freaking vampires decapitate the other ones and do some crazy
stuff to like kill kill them. I bet you don't really get to
see the wolves, actually. Like, F someone F some of them
up, you know what I mean? But sorry, go ahead.
I'll say I bet if you pause the scene where they're burning all
the bodies, I bet you could probably find his clothing in
that. I bet that's like an Easter egg
thing of I'll have to go and look.
But I I bet they did something like that.
And if they did it, then they're dumb.
Well, because they burned the the girls, Bryce Dallas Howard's
character's body, they burn them all, but then they burn, they
burn them separately because they they burn them her when
she's up there on the mountaintop and then when they
get back to like the campsite or whatever they're burning or
whatever site it was that they did the battle.
It was weird. They were like burning stuff,
but it looked it was very clearly logs of wood.
So I was like, damn, that's lame that we didn't see.
But I, I guess it's PG13, right. So they didn't want to show
literal burning bodies, I suppose, even though they're not
really bodies, but whatever. Did you expect them to when you
first watched this? And if you read the book, I
suppose then did you expect this?
Did you expect them to kill the, the girl in that scene, the
little girl that like, you know, they made surrender or whatever?
Because I, I didn't expect them to kill her.
I guess like I guess they do it off screen or whatever, it's
implied, but I, I didn't expect that.
I thought they were genuinely going to adopt her.
They did. They tried to.
Yeah, but I think it's good that how they set up the Voltari for
the next like they're like they're the big bad, ruthless
group and they don't care. So I I think it's a, it was a
good end scene. It's a good kick the dog moment,
right? Like, you know, you have this
girl who one you saw get turned in the beginning and be like
against this and then being forced into the situation and
like make it through and be like, hey, like I'm willing to
make up for what I was forced to do.
And you know, unlike Jasper, who volunteered and.
Never gonna. Let that go and you know, and
and had 1 1/2 centuries to reflect on that decision and
didn't. But you know, it sort of just
shows that who they're dealing with now is they are not
sympathetic. They are they don't have empathy
and they're tougher than, you know, this group because she
just sort of like fucking Darth Vader forced tortures him.
Like, you know, Dakota Fanning just sort of goes like Bam and,
you know, she fucking dies and wriggling agony.
So I think it's like 1. I don't think it's necessarily
expected. Like, I think you're right that
it's a little unexpected if you're not familiar with it.
I can't remember what I thought back in 2010, but I do think
it's like a good scene for setting the tone and like who
you're fighting in the stakes of your next conflict, which is
against the Volterry, so. I guess I should have seen.
I just remembered that they unleashed like an entire tourist
group in in Rome the last time we saw them on screen.
Then like, did they like feast on an entire like?
Yeah, like the whole Vatican or. Something the whole like the
whole group of like tourists, including children just got
eaten alive in that moment. So I guess I should have
expected it, but I just, I thought maybe, oh, they would
let her like join the family like the Collins would, I guess,
stand on business. But it's like, like you said, it
does establish and it makes sense why they did it.
I was just like wondering, did you see it coming?
Like, I really didn't know in that moment.
Maybe that was like the whole point of it.
But yeah, there you go. A lot out of this movie.
Clearly, that's just as our discussion shows.
That's why I don't think we should break him up because
these conversations are so good, right Pat?
Man, I just I got to say 1. I don't think the next one in if
I have to go one more year with keeping this a secret from Pat,
I will be back. I.
Will. Yeah, no, I agree with that.
That's where I'm at too, where it's like, is this supposed to
be a massive cliffhanger? We will do it, I think.
Executive decision next year we'll do both parts of breaking.
Dawn, I think we can. Split according to Ashley, and
it sounds like Miles too. It sounds like it could have
been one movie very easily, but they decided.
This could have been in Breaking Dawn.
Probably, yeah, honestly. If you yeah, if you wanted to
split Breaking Dawn, do like condense this to half, do like
the first bit of Breaking Dawn and then do like a longer
Breaking Dawn. But like, if Return of the King
can be one movie, so can Breaking Dawn.
Are they in a blame for all the? Let's say it's Harry Potter.
Turn of the King was all in one movie.
It's Harry Potter. And honestly, no, I meant it's
Twilight to blame. No, I would never.
No, it's Harry Potter cake. Yeah.
Yeah, it's Harry Potter and but honestly I think Deathly Hallows
was better for being split and it also made them more money.
But I also think that it wasn't so worth it to split it, that I
won't have to deal with all of the bullshit of splitting the
last book for every other stupid like for fucking Hunger Games.
If you see how thick those books are, they're like, why would you
split that? They're just.
Dead and they still left stuff out of Mockingjay by the way.
I'm just saying because I remember those movies too.
Like they. Yeah, we had to try to pump up
Jennifer Lawrence's singing career, and I like her as an
actress, but but I don't know, she didn't really take off as a
singer. Why did we?
Why?
Maze Runner.
Maze Runner too. Didn't get or no, wait, Maze
Runner. Didn't even bother finishing
Maze Runner. No, they didn't.
They didn't. I think they did scorched earth
or the whatever the not scorched.
Earth yeah, Scorch trials. It was always like, yeah, Maze
Runner was like below Divergent as far as like cookie cutter
team dystopian things go. Urgent.
I have a minute. Yeah, that's a throwback.
I loved. I loved Maze Runner.
I thought Maze Runner was really good.
I am. Also, yeah, I mean, I, I look, I
have, I'm only speaking to like public perception of it as
opposed to any. I have no fucking clue.
I didn't read Divergent or Maze Runner.
In Maze Runner, they use the word changeling as like a
descriptor of someone and for whatever reason my like 6th or
7th grade brain, even though I was I'm a very good reader and
like linguistically I'm pretty good.
For whatever reason, I couldn't understand what that word was
like it like because I just read it and I guess I'd never said
it. So I kept reading it as like
Chang, Chang Jelling or I can't even remember how badly I
understood what the word was until like I looked back years
later and was like, Oh my God, I'm so stupid.
How did I not get that? That was that they just met
Changeling. I was like, what is this foreign
word? It must because they're British
or it must be like, I could not grasp it.
I I felt very dumb. Yeah.
So, Speaking of Maze Runner, what are what are your final
thoughts on Twilight Saga, Eclipse, Pete, and your final
score? So while I love this franchise,
I think it's fun to think back on my early high school days
slash early college days and reminisce of the team angst that
I had when I was forced to go to the movies and watch this with
my girlfriend. I think through, you know,
Stockholm Syndrome, I really did grow to appreciate this
franchise. But Eclipse I will never get
behind. I just don't like this film at
all. It it feels more of like a 2
hour long episode than a 2 hour long movie.
It just lost some of its whimsy, sort of like what made Eclipse
or what made Twilight sort of fun to just bullshit with.
I feel like it took its, it never really takes itself
seriously, but like some of the the moments felt they're like
they were trying to do a little bit too much.
And I just wanted it to be the vampire story that New Moon and
Twilight were. Yeah.
Just not a good film. I'll be honest with you.
I'm going to give this A4. There you go.
Fair enough.
All right, Miles, Are you ready
to give your final thoughts as well?
Yeah, I mean, look, is Pete correct?
Yes. Do I care?
Not really. I think I exactly.
I think at this point I have I've just accepted it.
I have accepted the world we live in, right.
And this is this is it. And like, I think frankly, this
movie doesn't really do anything worse than the first two movies.
It just does it the same and like, OK, but but some things I
don't like about the series, right?
Like this is only like maybe a six out of 10 on the toxic
relationship scale, as opposed to the first two, which is like
a like a 10 out of 10. You know, I like Taylor
Lautner's haircut. I like Jasper's haircut.
I like some of the cheesy scenes where they're like, look at
Taylor Lautner. He worked out like I, I, I kind
of like the campy moments that they have in this.
I don't know what what I normally give these things
Sixes. I think I'll give this A62
whatever, I don't care. All righty.
Yeah, there we go. Yeah, I'm, I'm closer to Pete on
this one. I thought it was worse,
noticeably worse, at least in terms of my enjoyment compared
to the other two movies in the past.
Not that that I suppose, is saying very much.
I'm excited for the next one though, 'cause it then it'll be
done. And also all these secrets that
have been kept for me for most of my adult life apparently will
no longer have to be kept. So I'm, I'm curious to see
where, where it goes from here. I guess I, I, I want to know
more about the, the, the werewolves and like their back
story. It's funny too.
The werewolf chief is a very famous native actor.
I, we didn't comment on that earlier.
I recognized him immediately. I was like, Oh my God, he's on
like Yellowstone and like all these other very big.
Shows Yellowstone. Oh my God, yeah.
He's the he's the one who at the end, yeah.
Negotiates the deal or whatever. Yeah, that is him.
Wow. Yeah, no.
And he's in so many. He is like the classic like oh,
we need like a a chief leader looking native person.
He's the one that. It's like the guy who's in like
every who plays the Mexican guy in every film he's in, like the
Fast and the Furious, He's like the Mexican guy, but he's in
that in like 30 movies. That's him for yeah.
It's it's crazy how many movies he's been in that you would be
like, Oh my God, that was him. Yeah.
Which to be fair, a lot of the actors, they did not pull out
any stops for the cast in this movie.
It's pretty impressive, like all around I would say.
The soundtrack is killer too. Again, they crushed me with
that, yeah. It is a good soundtrack, again
not my style of music but it's like generally but like it.
It fits the movie for sure. Dad's the GOAT as always, love
him so much, best character in the movie by far and hope
nothing that happens to him in the final movie because I would
be very upset. Is it Clark say his name?
Kent Clark? No, that's Superman 1.
Of my Clark Kent. That's his name.
His name is Clark Kent. Where is he?
Goddamn it? Whatever the dad.
Charlie. Charlie, thank you God, Charlie
Swan. I got there eventually by
looking. At me.
I thought you were joking. No, no, I could not remember his
name. This movie goes in one ear and
out the other half the time and like what sticks?
You know what I'm talking. About why does he not?
Like Edward. Why doesn't Charlie?
Yeah, protective dad, Single dad.
Yeah, but he's like get with Jacob.
But like, Edward comes from a family of two doctors and like
I'm just saying, he's also like a.
Virtual Boy. He's well, for one, the Chiefs
friendly and they're familiar and the and the Collins have
like a a negative like kind of stigma attached to them too.
Do they not like from like? They're inhuman monsters.
That's a good point. Well, that's, well, there's
that, but like they also do just get that aren't they suspects of
the murder in the first movie or something like that?
Like I, I don't know, maybe I, I feel like he has pretty valid
reasons, but he also does come around on him at the end there
when, when Edward starts talking about his traditional values or
whatever. It's pretty funny.
That reminded me so much of I, I will never forget this moment in
my life. So I, I mean, I was in high
school. I went to Catholic High School.
We had just gotten purity rings. I was a very big rule follower
growing up. And I was at a Patriots game.
It was the Pats versus The Jets. It was Brett Favre
quarterbacking The Jets in a game he won in overtime.
But it had a sick Randy Moss toe tap.
And it is well to bring the game to overtime.
I don't know if you remember that game, Pat, but this would
have been like circa 2008, 2009, something like that.
It might have been the Matt Cassel year that was 6 and.
I was 10. Older than I thought.
I was like 15. I'm trying to, but he's like, I
don't know, whatever. Yeah.
But he's like, is that ring what I think it is?
He's like, oh, yeah. And he's like, good.
I like that. You know, it's just like, I
don't know, for whatever reason, that stuck with me forever.
And you're pure, so pure. And you know, Bella's dad's the
same way. Classic like oh I just watch the
kid in but sits on the porch with a shotgun like I don't have
in the curfew though he does. What happened to me, I got, I
got the rifle pulled on me as like a demonstration that it
existed. I'm so thankful I haven't had
that ever. Me neither.
That's not the way to. They were pulling it on the
wrong partner in that relationship, by the way, It
doesn't matter. Like I I wasn't trying to get.
Staying with your chest. Yeah, I I don't know.
I was a lame teenager. On that note, that concludes my
thoughts on Twilight Saga, the Eclipse, or whatever this is I
gave it. A No, no, no.
We need this, we need this. We need Twilight the Eclipse,
which is an infamous scene from Berserk Pat.
You're right. Yeah, this is my favorite piece
of Eclipse media is what I should say that I consumed.
Right. There we go.
I gave it a A3 for those wondering and for trend editing.
Thank you, Trent. Sorry, this is a tough one.
Tough episode. Wait, guys.
I need to say we've broken tradition here.
Normally we give these these stupid numbers.
Like, oh, you're right with. Decimals and stuff.
Oh, OK. Like except Pete who gave it a
10. He gave New Moon A10.
Hell yeah, I gave it A7. You gotta be.
Lady, of course, that's a 10. Is 7.3 repeating Pat?
Pat gave it actually just a flat 4.
I give it a 88 fourths or or 510.
Yeah, yeah, I was. I I couldn't write down whatever
it was. OK.
I will give it mine a 3.141. 5. 297 well, mine's closer to three
that's why I was like like that's why I did that so fair
enough all right let's do some math though.
Let's or can I give it? Can I give it I?
Yeah, yeah. You can do whatever you want.
This this again, as I've stated since the beginning, technically
not my show. You know, I just peak podcast
and everything. It doesn't matter.
This episode doesn't matter. None of this matters.
You can do whatever I, I over π oh, that's a small score.
I'll give mine 2 to the power of 2.
OK, I'm going to do 2 up arrow up arrow 2.
What's that mean? Don't worry about it all.
Right, let me Google. That's two.
So the 2 ^2. Is also 44.
According to Google, is also 4. Yeah.
Oh, it is. Oh, damn.
I was. Oh, I was hoping I was being
smart. I couldn't remember.
What was up? Arrow no you.
So if you added another up like up arrow, like if there's three
up arrows it it like the more you do it, it gets pretty crazy
pretty quick. Exponential.
So yeah, that makes sense. Right.
But you know, I'm just, I was just trying to give a score in
our range in a stupid way, so. OK, so our final score is 4 + 4
+ I / π / 3 is our final score of good.
That's why I like to get clips, yeah.
Do you have, do you have like a rational number to express that?
You have the. Number.
Otherwise, treadmills will put up a giant question mark.
On this, yeah. OK, you know what, I'll I'll
wolfram it, OK. Does someone say it should just
be the calculator and then it's 8008?
Yeah, try just put up one the calculator for that, that's what
you gave. Wait, can you?
Can you wait? We can't.
We can't do a rational word because there's only one I We
literally can't. You know what?
It's mine. That's the point.
We gave Eclipse boobs out of 10. Boobs out of 10 boobs on A.
Calculator out of 10. So like 8008?
8080 thousand 80,005 or. 85 yeah, 8080 thousand 85 OK.
Out of 10 yes what? Sorry, 80,085 on a calculator.
Out of 10. Out of 10.
OK. Which compared to its IMDb
rating of a 5.1 out of 10, which, by the way, a lot lower
than I would have thought. I guess people didn't like this
one very much, which I guess isn't surprising to me, but
surprising to me in the sense of like, the general audience.
What are the first couple? Let's see. 9.7 for Twilight.
Why is there no simple sequel or prequel button on?
Like, because there was a period of time where hating twilight
was like, very vogue. Oh new moon is 4.8 and.
Twilight is 5.4. And Breaking Dawn's five and
then Breaking Dawn Part 2 is 5.6, so the highest rated one is
yet to come. Hell yeah.
Wow, oh man. Yeah, these aren't exactly
popular movies, but also like they are the type of movies like
a bunch of edgy teenage boys would have review bombed on
their IMDb back in the day like Pete.
No, no, no, I was never. I was never edgy.
Never I. I see a lot of ones according to
the reviews, a lot of ones, a lot of 10's, and then primarily
5-6 and seven are the numbers that are given for reviews
according to IMDb at least. So that's interesting.
Here you go. All right, that's our review of
Twilight the the eclipse I needed.
Twilight Golden Age and then I need Twilight Eclipse the
eclipse. Would would Griffith?
So Griffith would be a vampire, right?
Or would Griffith be? He kind of looks like a vampire.
I mean, if we had to put him in one of these casts, he would be
a vampire. OK, cool.
And Guts would be a werewolf and Costco would be Bella.
Yes, it's all Everything is Berserk.
Everything is. Twilight.
Wow, it makes it. All of that makes perfect sense.
Don't think about it too. Yep, especially if you.
I won't, don't worry. If you haven't read Berserk,
don't worry about it. That's what happens, I promise.
Exactly. There we go.
But yeah, so that wraps up our April Fools episode, where a
surprise, we got you. We weren't actually reviewing
Twilight Eclipse. We just joked around.
Yeah, surprise. Episodes dropping late April.
April Fools. That's also very funny.
True that it's dropping in like 2.
I don't know how to plan things, woo.
You're not alone. You're not alone.
But Miles, we voted on shows that we wanted when you were not
here last. There was three options, one of
them being Interspecies Reviewers, the other being My
Happy Marriage, and the other other being Medalist Season 2.
Which of those one and what are we watching for two weeks from
now? Yeah, so.
And 3rd was Interspecies Reviewer earning its 5th legacy
point so. Still got last with that many
legacy points it's never getting reviewed.
That's not how that works. It is a matter of time.
Entropy comes for us all, Pete. Oh.
Fuck I can't make that episode, sorry guys.
Yeah, I mean, I in second with a surprise performance, in my
opinion, a very valiant effort is My Happy Marriage earning its
second legacy point. And then in first place, by or
by the elimination, as we only have three options, it will be
medalist Season 2. I'm very excited to watch this.
I love me some medalists, so yeah.
I am stoked that this one, I mean, I would have been happy
with either two of the three options, but I'm I'm very, very
excited to watch medalist season 2 and it's it is done airing now
or it's going to be finished. Oh yeah, it finished last week
or a couple. Wow, several weeks ago.
What the hell? It was only 9 episodes.
Oh, that makes more sense. OK.
But yeah, I can't wait to watch it.
And like we, we only watched it what, like a month ago, I think
too much. Well, no more than that, but it
feels like it. Was like two or three months
ago. Yeah, so pretty recently so I'm
excited but yeah, let's talk about what we're nominating the
nominating for the second week of May, also known as a week
after Cinco de Mayo episode. What have you got Pete?
What? What show do you have that fits
that theme? The OK wait I.
I got it. I I got mine.
I guess El Condor Paso wears A luchador mask and luchadors are
from Mexico. So I have to do Uma Museum a
season 3. Is that one?
No, I'm kidding. It's a show that got a lot of
hype when it first came out. I think it kind of fizzled, but
it's getting a second season and it looks really promising and
it's a show that I wanted to watch last year, but I didn't
get around to it. I'm going to nominate Sentence
to be a hero. OK, very interesting.
Miles, what about you? What are you nominating on your
return? The craziest thing just it
doesn't matter so of course in honor of Cinco de Mayo, I will
be nominating mobile fighter G Gundam so that we can watch
tequila Gundam. I won't be doing that one that
one that's too long, but 20 buddy Tequila Gundam is if you
imagine the most stereotypical Gundam that is named Tequila
Gundam you could possibly think of, and then you're wrong.
It's it's more just Google Tequila Gundam real quick.
I can't wait. I'm.
I'm very curious. No, not Tequila Sunrise.
Tequila Gundam. Oh my God.
No way. There's no way.
There's no way we. Put Tequila Gundam on the
screen, there's no way it's so bad.
Dude, the hat. Like on Yeho leaves.
The hat is so good. With the with the cactus
pauldron and like wrist guards. Unbelievable, is it not?
The best I love Tequila Gundam. See, I I too will be nominating
something that has recently wrapped up that some people in
our discord really like and they keep telling me to watch and
then I'm like, I'm a busy man but it'll be Shibuyuki playing
games to put food on the table. I don't I know what Eagle's
voting for. Yeah, I I just pander to Eagle.
That's it's it's been my voting strategy.
It's a very It would be a great show to talk about.
Yeah, I, I think I'm, I'm honestly pretty curious about
what I think because I could see myself going either way on it
based off of the one episode. You would love it.
Would I?
You would a. 100% love it. Oh.
Good. Love to see it.
All right. And if you don't like it, you're
lying to yourself. OK good dudes but the sentence
should be a hero has above a fucking 8 on dude.
Apparently it's good. That's why I was just going.
Like it would, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm a little
curious because like, I, I put a lot on the fact that, Nah, just
looking at it, you know, not to judge a book by its cover, but I
do that all the time, actually. People said it like it's not
weird, like it doesn't have weird shit.
It's just like a good like we're in this like fantasy boom with
like free Ren and dungeon meshy and witch hat like this is like
people like it on the same level.
No, that's what I'm checking. Out on the same level is freer.
There are a lot of people that fucking love Satan to be here.
OK. Well, and then we can debate
whether they're right or wrong. Yeah, I I mean, look, that's
almost the point of this entire club, right?
And this. OK.
And mommy's in here. That's cool.
Which one this night, lady? Put.
I can't pronounce her name. She's a knight.
She's got black hair, red eyes, full set of plate armor.
Big fan. Yeah, yeah.
I don't. I don't know anything about her
and sentence to be here. I don't know.
Her name is like, I don't say. Her last name, which I also
can't pronounce. Yeah, I also pronounce that
incorrect, Kivia. Kivia, let's go with that.
What's the same in Kiba Yugi? Is that what you said?
Kiba Yugi. This is in sentence to be a
girl. And.
And the other one is playing games to put food on the table.
Interesting. A Tausch?
Yeah, I don't know. That's odd.
Yeah, Well, we'll mark our show and.
We'll find out. Oh, don't click spoilers
Patrick, you shouldn't be spoiling yourself on.
That Pat, What are you dominating?
Yeah, well, that's a good question.
I'm nominating My Happy Marriage again because it does seem to
perform better than I would expect.
And it looks fun, it looks cute. It looks like a show that I
would enjoy quite a bit. And we were just talking about
age gap relationships. And I don't know if this show or
if that show has one or not, but it seems like it would.
OK, let me rephrase that. Oh, we were just talking about
problematic or power dynamic relationships.
And it seems like this show has that in some level.
Really I. Mean not it's an American.
Yeah, no, but he's actually pretty fucking cool.
Yeah, he's, he's like a great guy.
Well, that'll be fun to see because that's the better,
that's the best outcome for everybody involved, right, That
they have a happy marriage, I suppose.
Right, so there we. Go.
The basic premise of the show is that her family sets her up with
this guy thinking it's going to be fucking awful for her because
he has a reputation. And then he's like, I'm fucking
awesome. But then all the stuff around
them is like, pretty bad and that helps them bond.
And like, they definitely go through like, arranged marriage
issues and stuff. But they like, learn how to
communicate. And it's a good show.
I like it. Yeah.
We. Should watch it then Vote for
it. Vote for it.
Well, of course. Seen it.
Yeah, that's the problem. Unfortunately for me, I.
Know it's the. Problem for you 2.
I know, I know, I get it, I get it.
It always is. The problem with a lot of my
shows that I I want to watch from this season, it's like I
should just watch it on my own or something, but that's boring.
Why would I do that? I need a new Co host so if you
want to watch some shows and come review them with me you can
come back. Sorry, I need to resume my
professional golfing career. Don't have the time for that,
but I would love to discuss. What are we watching again?
Oh yeah, two weeks from now, Medalist Season 2.
Because that wraps up. Watch club for this week.
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either doing a game or I'm doing a first impressions episode.
So you'll get something next week.
Don't worry it'll be happening. Otherwise, if you're here for
watch club in two weeks, we will see you for Mentalist season 2.
Thanks and we'll see you next time.
Bye, bye, bye. Bye bye, bye bye bye, bye, bye,
bye bye.