Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what you see anime.
I am your host Peter. On today's episode, we got a
special kind of like a review episode that we we do from time
to time. But Netflix got a new movie
called Cosmic Princess Cagia that has been out for a couple
weeks and it's been on at least my radar for a little bit.
And I also got around to watching it.
So we decided, hey, let's do an episode and talk about it.
So joining me today is my lovely Co host, Miles Miles.
Before we jump into everything that is Cosmic Princess Cagia,
want to get your thoughts of sort of what you thought this
movie was like before coming into it And then sort of, you
know, did it change anything when you actually started
watching it? Yeah, I, I gotta say, this movie
more or less did exactly what I expected to do based on the
previews, based on what I had heard people like who I know
that liked it and all of that. Right.
Like it, it sort of hit the mark sort of dead on.
It was a, it was a big fun time and it was something that I was
looking forward to watching since I saw the trailer.
And so, yeah, what about you? Do were your expectations met,
Defied. What happened?
Oh, Defy did defy my expectation coming into this because we've
done the tale of Princess Kaguya the the Ghibli film.
So I have a little understanding of sort of the Bamboo Cutter
story lore of Princess Kaguya. So coming into it, I was, I was
intrigued to see how they were going to make A twist of that.
And I was a little surprised by sort of like how they portrayed
this story. Yeah, I think like it, it, it
followed the same premise pretty close, but like some of the
twists and turns that they did with it.
I I, I thought it was really cool and sort of like a unique
perspective on this story While, well, it's like, it's like a
combination of a couple things, right?
So this is like a traditional Japanese folklore that's meshing
with like current hype, like like the trend right now, like
Vocaloids and V tubers and stuff like that.
So taking folklore and then taking modern times and
combining it into one story, I thought was a fantastic like mix
of everything. So that's what we're going to
talk about today on our episodes.
So we're going to be going over the movie, obviously Spoiled
Alerts. If you haven't seen it, we're
going to be talking about the movie.
Go watch it. It's on Netflix.
It's like 2 1/2 hours long, which maybe is our first talking
point is the length and the pace of this.
So miles. I know you had some words about
it, so I'll have you. Yeah, OK.
I guess like, OK, everyone listening because of our first
talking point, I'm going to start off a little critical
here, I suppose. Though I did have a good time
with this movie, so keep bear that in.
Mind, yeah, I think we'll be mostly positive, but there are
some things. Yeah.
So I guess like my issue with this is that I feel like this
either should have been shorter by a fair amount and or much
longer. And like those are the those are
like my two options, I guess, because there's a lot of stuff
that we don't get enough detail on, I guess.
And they just sort of do things like, I don't know, like I, I
think the biggest example is her brother.
I was going to say her mom, but let me hear what you.
Thought that OK, the whole family thing is what I think
because the yes, because the mom is a is a that's a better
example because that all gets resolved off screen, despite it
being Kagiya's like not Kagiya's Eora's like, yeah, Euro has I
said that very anglicized, you know, sort of main sticking
point, right, is she's she's sort of like doesn't allow
herself to have fun because of how her mom raised her.
And some, like, tension she had with her mom, which sort of led
to what I would consider some jealousy of her brother because
her brother was just like, I'll do whatever I want, you know,
like, he was sort of able to get past that in a way.
He's like, I'm going to. Tell you in peace.
And I was like. Yeah, and he's like, I'm going
to be like a pro gamer and really hot and everyone's going
to love me and you know, like you're a got got around to that.
But it took her like the same thing of big pro gamer and
everyone thinks she's hot. However like both of these
things got like a little rush. Like I liked the fight they had
that lasted forever in League of Legends.
Sure they're. Yeah, where?
I want to talk about that later though.
Yeah, like when they kill him in that like kind of decisive
battle because we're we're watching a a MOBA that has
lives. It was just it's sort of an
interesting premise that would be incredibly boring to play if
you just dive three times or whatever.
And it's just like, I know I need to watch to see if my team
wins for the next 45 minutes because it's a MOBA.
Hey as. Our attention spans get less and
less. We need games that will fill our
like well that was weird. Your camera.
Went yeah, I know. I wonder what's happening there.
I know, but you're entering the matrix now, Audio listener.
What the hell? Yeah, we have visual.
We're going to sue Kiyomi, which is the name of their.
Oh, let's just yes. So we were talking about the,
the MOBA. I was a little, I was being a
little cheeky about that. But yeah, I think there was a
few things with this. I would have liked to know more
about Coggia's past as well. She talks about like how boring
the moon is and everything. But like I would have liked to
see it. Is it like, is that her
perspective? Is that reality?
She does decide at one point that she kind of wants to go
back. Like, you know, she's obviously
very sad to lose Iroha, but and like there is some obligation
there to go back. But like, she wasn't really
fighting it the same way everyone else did, right.
And then I, you know, like, I guess for more of the sort of
pacing thing, everyone gets on board with her being an alien
really quick. And it's just 'cause there
wasn't time to have a scene that she even bothered proving it or
whatever. We we skipped the conversation
and her brother's like, so she is an alien, huh.
That was. For at least for me, I found
this movie to be kind of more funny than I thought it was
going to be. And like having to explain like
how she is an alien. I think could have been a great
scene to like or like comedic effect.
But I do think that there was enough to, you know, laugh
throughout the show. But when when you're talking.
About it was it was funny for sure.
I know, sorry, I was just agreeing with that.
Like there were a lot of moments that I found were chuckle worthy
and everything and IA lot of things that I just sort of
smiled at or whatever it was, you know, Cockney just buying
all the shit at the beginning. Yeah.
You know, and like various things like that, I thought or
or when she made that like delicious meal.
And Ira was just like, this is so expensive but it's so good so
I can't be mad, but I am mad. And she was just like breaking
down while eating Hamburg steak, Yes.
I I made AI made a comment in chat that this movie was a 10
out of 10 because they included Hamburg steak and it and it is.
But I I think you made a good point with like either being too
long or not long enough. Yes, but so like here's kind of
like what I was saying, because I kind of had like the same
thought because the last time I watched an anime movie that was
centered around music was the colors with it and that entire
movie there's three songs. This movie had like 9.
So I was trying to think like it was there too many songs
included in the movie to that we missed out on like developing
some stuff because like the mom issue after it was like, I don't
know it. It sucks because we have journal
with which airing this season, which is handling like family
drama so well that when we have like family drama in the movie
and I'm just like, how are they going to solve this issue?
And it it kind of just like a few texts and it seems like it
was just like done. I was like that seems like a
little off. It just felt like, yeah, I feel
like you could like excluded, like you could leave her
brother, but like the whole like back story with like her dad
dying. And like, it didn't necessarily
like, I feel like it didn't need to be in the the movie because
like I while like I understand like why they did it.
I feel like the importance of it isn't like what people are
focusing on in this movie. Like, yeah, I they're focusing
on the music and like having fun with like these B tubers in this
virtual world. And it's like, why are we
introducing this like subplot of family with the mom and dad to
me? I just didn't get the brother.
Made sense. Yeah, so I think for me, it's
like they wanted to explain Euro Ha's like, because like the the
message here is sort of like you're not confined to any sort
of destiny. Yes, right.
And so like Euro Ha thinks she is, she has to do everything,
you know, to get good grades and whatever.
You know, she's like very type A very, you know, works herself to
the bone in order to succeed at everything.
Won't let herself have fun, though this is a little
undermined by all of the fun she lets herself have throughout the
movie. Like you know, she is working
very hard, but she also does have time to like be like a
quasi full time streamer and win a contest.
But regardless, like, that's the what they're getting AT.
And so I think they needed to explain why she was like that.
And so they were like, I don't know, it's her mom.
And then it felt important because there's this scene where
Kagi was like, do you love your mom?
She was like, God, I don't know, that's a hard question.
Like, you know, part of me does because she's my mom.
She didn't even say all this, by the way, that that just ended
there. But you can understand why,
right, Because she's the source of Oliver Rojas pressure.
But she also is her mother and is probably, you know, raised
her and been kind to her points. So it's probably better when her
dad was alive, you know, that sort of thing.
But like, that doesn't get explored at all the at the end.
And so I would have rather just been like, Aroha is like this
because some people are like this and we're free to
speculate, like, why she's a little, like, tightly wound as
opposed to like, telling us why but not explaining it, if that
makes sense. No, Like, yeah.
It it's just, yeah, it's just like the one thing I don't know,
building up to it and just getting that result while the
rest of the movie I felt like built up to a lot of other
things that did very well. That was like the one thing that
just like didn't land for me. It just felt it just felt off in
the stylus show that it was our style of movie that it was
presenting itself in because we got all these great resolutions
and outcomes and that one was just so lackluster, like all
right. But really that was my biggest
complaint. I would say like outside that, I
think that this movie was like very good.
So do you have any more things you want to get off your chest
before we move into the positives?
Well, OK. Yeah.
If we're going to, if we're going to front load this.
Let's front load it. I think the ending of this movie
is bad. I've thought about this a lot
over the last day and a half because I, I enjoyed it at the
end, but like, I, OK, so like what happens for everyone who is
for some reason, it's a good movie.
Please just go and watch this. Like it's a it's a fun time at
the very least, right? And it's, it's a good eye candy
and everything. But Cognia goes to back to the
moon and she isn't particularly happy about this after period of
time. So she tries to use moon
technology to like time travel back to Earth to see Euro ha
again. Yeah, but misjudges by about
8000 years and travels to. Fun fact everyone, Yachio means
8000 years. That's what the name means.
So if you knew that the the bot twist was easy to see coming.
I've seen known that with Apocalypse Hotel.
Oh yeah, look at that. It also could just mean like an
eternity or like a long time or whatever.
It's like the same way that like some numbers in the Bible are
used is like, you know, 40 is like very symbolic or whatever,
for whatever reason, like certain cultures or whatever.
It's like that sort of thing. Yeah, but 6967 in our modern day
culture. Yeah.
Anyways, so she goes back to the past and eventually becomes
Yacio, who is this sort of quote UN quote AI, which I think is
just Cogia. Yeah, from well, there's a lot
of debate about this, by the way.
I think yes, I think it's just Cogia.
Some people think it is a Cogia. AII disagree.
I don't think it is AI at all. I know, I I agree.
But people get trapped up because then they make a body
and then transport Coggia's brain or mind into it later.
But like because wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff is just coggy
it twice I think. Yes, that.
OK, That's what I thought too. Yeah.
I even messaged you saying I want to talk about the time
travel before we record this episode.
And then I forgot to do that because I got lost a little bit
on the time traveling. So I'm glad that we're in the
same boat because that's exactly what I thought.
OK, yeah. So that that is my understanding
now there is a novelization coming out from this that will
hopefully clear that out, right? Like it'll make it perfectly
clear what happened because there's a few different, I guess
main theories that I've seen while looking stuff up.
But what I thought and what appears So what I thought
initially. And so the theory that I have
decided is right because it confirmed what I thought was
basically that, you know, Yachio is Coggia, you know, but semi
limited because of her capabilities of like being able
to leave the moon for whatever reason.
They talk about how the the world they live in Sukiyori Suki
Tom. Well, it's the name of the moon
God. Sukiyomi is the like is closer
to like the world of the moon in like whatever.
So like there's sort of similarities there, sort of thin
veil, if you will. And so you know, they also talk
about how they're going to go to Sukiyomi to bring her back
because that's a lot easier for them to do.
And like why they didn't just be like, OK, don't go to the game
on full moons. You know what, it doesn't
matter. Schedule our concert for
literally any other night is sorry, I just thought of that
and now it's going to drive me insane forever.
You know, it's like that. So she's like able to sort of
Pierce The Veil and go into this place and be Yachio after she
went back and like was Coggio from, you know, the bamboo
Monocatri, like bamboo cutter Monocatri in the past, which is
sort of fun. So like she, she was always the,
you know, like it's like time isn't so in Coggia's timeline,
right? She the first experience she had
was in the year 2030. Like did we watch Princess
Coggia or did we watch Steinsgate?
Like where sometimes it's getting lost where we're at.
And then there there ends up being two of her at the.
End is my thought. Yeah, I got to a point where
like I threw like the logic and reasoning out the window because
like I feel like if you tried to connect some of the dots, you
just get lost in the stop like. Well, it's because they they,
and this is not that big of a criticism because almost
everything does it, but they fucked up the time travel a bit
like I'm, you know, it just it, it sort of creates a, you know,
it's, it destroys the linearity of time in a way, because Kagia
from the past, who was Yachio wouldn't have ever been there
until Kagia from the future, who is younger.
Kagia went back in time after all these events happened, but
clearly she had done that before because that's how she was there
throughout all of Aurora's. Life, right?
The reincarnation has something to do with it too.
I don't know. Maybe.
Yeah, I don't know either. There's.
A lot going on, right? There's like moon, there's moon
magic, wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff and then like
reincarnation stuff. So like the I think the general
goal is for them to just be like don't, don't fucking think about
it. It it happened, which is sort of
like the message the show is telling us, right, Which is just
like make your own happy ending. It doesn't really matter if it
makes sense or not. It's like flip flappers that
way, banger. And so, yeah, I just didn't like
it because, like, the way that they resolve everything at the
end is they show us the fact that a Roja becomes some
insanely biotech, you know, Yes, which is fine.
She's just this is it is she's not much.
Early on, she is very smart, but she had to have overworked
herself quite a bit. Now there is a throwaway line
about how she needs a work life balance right in there.
And that is supposed to tell us that she has solved her problems
and in the, you know, working too much, but has also invented
an Android that can capture the essence and stuff of something
not even across time, but across dimensions.
But like earlier when they're on the beach.
She's like, yeah, I schedule like my time off.
And so like I I care about or so like what was the issue all
along? Battling in her demons?
Who knows? Yeah, I yeah, that's what I'm
saying. Like, I don't know, I just sort
of the ending wasn't. Do you ever?
Do you ever think like, this is literally happening to me right
now? You ever think like when you get
home from work, you're like, man, tomorrow's going to suck.
And then like it's like fine, like, but like, but then yeah,
then you have like a, you have like a normal day at work, but
then you get home and then you're thinking, man, tomorrow's
going to suck and then it's and then it's just fine like that.
That's why I feel like Iroja had like her mind was like,
everything sucks and you get to the day and it's like, it was
all right. Yeah, we worked it out like it
was. Yeah, and I'm gonna lead this
into something that I think the show did well because, again, I
thought the ending was just sort of rushed.
They're gonna have to have like a weird throuple with two Kagias
and like, that's OK, I guess. Might be weird for Kagiya.
OK. Before you before you jump into
this, OK, everybody's talking about like their their
girlfriends and I never got that vibe ever.
Like I, I think I'm in the minority.
I always felt like they were mother daughter, like always
mother daughter. OK, so.
And I know, I know there's hits. I I get it because like I always
felt mother daughter the whole time.
Yeah, you felt that the whole time, The whole even.
I felt that for like 2 to 5 minutes.
I I even at the end of the movie, I was I was mother
daughter even watching the because like the motion video
after thing that Eagle sent us still mother daughter like it's
still that. So like that hand holding scene
during the fireworks? Yeah, Were they like laced
hands? Yes, it was super gay 100% OK.
I'm not denying the fact that there are obvious visual clues
and hints to their relationship. OK, can we do audio ones too?
Oh, because she says like, I love you and stuff like that.
And let's get married. I don't know, felt like, you
know how like you know how like little girls and like shells
like want to like marry their dad or something like that.
Yeah, I I mean, I get that Kaguya says that when she's more
or less a full adult, though. Yeah, OK.
Well, OK, maybe I'm wrong at the last end of it, but I'll, I'll,
how about this? Let me let me rephrase this. 90%
of the movie I felt mother daughter.
I'm going to say 5% for me because in this it's like it's
the tail of the bamboo cutter, except for Koga and the bamboo
cutter. Fuck yeah, Yeah, this is.
But they don't show it. They don't show it.
Yeah. No, they have as, as they do
tiptoed around any sort of concrete signs of affection that
people would normally expect to see from people, like kissing or
whatever. Yeah.
So we can. We can, if you want to.
If you're that kind of person who goes on the Internet and
makes these sort of arguments, you can say no, this didn't
happen. Hear me out, hear me out.
I just thought of something because I don't know if you took
this as what this is, but I really did feel like this is
like a love letter to like folkloids and streamers and V
tubers and stuff like that. But they get in trouble just
like idols for having relationships with people
because you're not allowed to be a human being when it comes to
that type of stuff. So maybe it's a hint that
they're not allowed to say it because the idols and tubers
themselves are allowed to say it.
What do you think? Let's not, let's not do, let's
let's not let them like get away with your rebating, OK?
Because like, they're just in their apt a lot.
They can't keep being away with this.
And like, this is honestly close enough that like, I genuinely
think you would have to be kind of dumb to think that they
weren't together, I guess, unless you think.
It's always dumb. Yeah, I I I'm wait, I'm
caveatting it. But like, yes, I did.
But I it's like I. Was like, motherfucker, I just
said that a minute ago that I I definitely.
Didn't hit me too, but I guess like if you if, if, if you're
like OK, like you are very like adopted child pilled, right?
Like I feel like. You would keep the telephone
pole. Of course I am.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Well, OK, and so, you know, like I think you just like that's
like your jam, whereas like Yuri is my jam.
And so like we were both just reading into it that we wanted I
yes, where is she? There She is, my my heme figure
and. Yeah, we're connected to dots.
Wait till the later the episode when I compare this to Dion
Genesis Evangelion and I'm not. Joking.
I can't, I can't wait, because if anything is is filled me with
less despair than neons and even going on did it, it was this, it
was this movie. Very excessive dread from this
movie. Nothing but essential dread.
OK, now that we have we, we took that tangent.
I do want to say something this does well, which we sort of
sidebarred into, but I think it does a good job of showing how
good Kagia and Arroja are for each other from like a
relationship standpoint and how that would alter who they are.
Yes. OK, so this is also part I want
to talk about with the characters themselves.
Did you, when you were watching this, did you feel like, oh,
they got that reference from show X or show Y or something
like that? Did you ever, did you ever feel
that while you were watching? There might have been
references, I can't remember any off the top of my head.
I didn't. I didn't think of anything off
the top of my head as referential.
OK, so. You have a better knowledge pool
than. Me no, no, so OK, it's it's in
relationships to like how the characters I guess are.
But like when I was watching this, they they were they kept
doing like Coggie's faces looked a lot like a they did in Bochy
the rock. And so it's sort of I started
thinking I was like, OK, maybe they're referencing other shows
in this movie as references because Kakia had a lot of like
these like like the melting face, the side, the eyes looking
like these directions. It's something they did.
Yes, who did the the the sort of MO way comedy stuff?
Yes, like the blobby stuff, but then it it got me sort of
thinking like if they were sort of modeling these characters off
of I feel like Kakia is kind of based off of Nijika from Bocce,
like how she looked and sort of like the actions.
It was like and and and I I'm bringing this up for a reason,
because I kept getting things like that throughout the movie
and I loved it because while I was thinking of this was a love
letter to a bunch of things, what if it was also love letters
like animation, sort of like the way that Zenshu did.
So the the the fight that we talked about earlier with her
brother. There's like a scene in
particular where they're like running up a rock and then
they're jumping down on him. And it was like identical to the
Rika fight and wondering priority.
And also I started thinking as like, I wonder if they're like
using different animes as references because it looked
like the the stylization of that particular fight was so much
like the the Rika fight and that and then shoot was the others.
You know, no, what a terrible time to blank.
But I guess it's more along the lines of like comparing this
like Zenshu or other shows that like do this love letter and
then using the references from other things.
I just thought was like, at least I don't even know if I'm
right. It just seems like it.
And because I watch a ton of anime, it kind of feels like
that. So I was always wondering if
you've got that feeling too, because I think we were talking
about in our discord when it was happening and it was like, was
that was that call back to something?
So maybe I'm just rambling. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't. If I had to guess, it wouldn't
be like a direct call to anything, but it's sort of like
took stylistic inspiration from it is what I would guess like.
This Have you seen Cyber Wars? No.
OK, because like I also, I mean, if anyone's seen Summer Wars,
you definitely got that feeling from this movie.
I feel like when they were in Spooky Yomi.
I don't know, I guess this is one of those things, I guess if
you're listening and you want to like leave a comment.
Did you feel like references coming through from other shows
that you watch in this movie? Because I feel like it was on
purpose because I noticed it more than once.
That's just. Yeah, that's interesting to
note. I mean, like I definitely
noticed similarities to Bochy, but this is like like a cousin
of the genre I suppose. So I just sort of chalked it up
to that. Now I don't know about I don't
remember the Reeka fight off the top of my head and I don't I've
never seen like Summer wars or anything.
So it's super possible that I missed.
I'm sure there's stuff right? Anime loves to sell for like
referential things. Yeah, I'm just trying to think
it was like if you're having like if you want to have these
scenes and showcasing like the women in this movie.
Like it just it felt, it felt like too on par that they were
also referencing women in other shows that did like the exact
same thing and that there was never all the references.
I was thinking in my head were there were other like girls
doing these actions. So that's maybe that made me
think of it. It was or I could.
Yeah. So I guess who knows.
Because it's like if I had to put Kagia to a Buchi character,
I wouldn't pick Nietzsche. I no no, she's like style.
She like physically looks like Nietzsche.
Oh, she look, they look similar. Yes, yeah.
And. Then when they did like the
Bochy. Blonde and.
I was just like, this is just Bochy Nietzsche calling.
Bochy. That's fair.
I was going to say she's like more of a Kita in my mind, like
personality wise. Yeah, she's 100%.
Yeah, she's Kita on, I don't know, 30 Mountain Dew.
Oh, dear. But yeah, that was, I don't
know. I thought it was great to look
at like, like all of the animation of like inside the
world and everything was wonderful and fantastical and
bright and it made me feel like a sense of wonder and even just
like the sort of regular like Japan and Tokyo scenes I thought
were done very well. I I think that was the absolute
like I the eye candy. I would say eye candy in general
in this movie, especially like the color palette as well.
Speaking of the colors within. It had a very similar color
palette to the colors within. But I don't know what I expected
coming into the movie in terms of animation, but this went way
above and beyond what I was expecting.
Like some of those scenes like we'll talk about in the when we
get to the music part. But like the first insert song
just like blew me away with the animations with like the colored
fish like flying up in the like in the yes the aether.
That was that during the song. Because yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, it's like the end of the song.
OK, I'm just going to like up front.
I do not remember any of the music from this.
None of it hit for me, but it wasn't bad or anything.
It's just, I don't know, very cute.
Poppy, do you want? I do.
You want to transition into that because but I do want talk.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, like this is like, I
like I remember liking the last song or the song during the
fight or whatever. And then I remember the visuals
of like that fish and everything though.
So like that's what stuck to me with the scene more so than the
music. I think was I might have just
been engrossed in the visuals, but if you want to talk about
the music, go ahead. Well, I, I think because we are
similar when it comes to this style of music.
Like I would say like we like this music, but like we don't
actively listen to it. Like we don't search it out.
Like if it's in our content, we'll listen to it.
But like for me it's, it's just, it's not my thing, I guess.
But like, it's fine. Like I, I don't have an issue
with it. I have I don't know if this is
like a terrible take, but like, but since you maybe you don't
have the same, I was hoping you'd have some very strong
music takes because I did have a really strong but like when they
got to the end and they're doing like they're like trios thing
that they do. I didn't like it.
I I thought their songs were really kind of boring, which
sucks because there are there are two songs in particular that
just like blew me away. The first one, Oto Yibanashi, I
believe it, it is. And then the music, the music
video for like their official YouTube were two songs that were
just fantastic, fantastic song. But I guess it's like one of
these things where it's like we're not coming into this as
like the target demographic for it.
So I don't want to like, I don't want to say like the music's
bad, but like it didn't, I would say it didn't capture me as like
a casual whatever type of music, the Vocaloid music.
So I guess I wanted to get your thoughts on that too.
I guess like it's not really Vocaloid music though, because
like the Vocaloid music, OK, at least the Vocaloid music that I
have listened to, right, Which I listen to like, I mean, OK,
there's going to be people listening to this that listen to
way more like Vocaloid I. Think we're showing our colors?
We're not. This is not our experience.
But what Wait, But wait, back in the day when I was just grinding
the Overwatch ladder, right, I would put on gaming mixes and,
you know, just play for hours. And those are basically 80%
Vocaloid. That's the the nerds yearn for
Vocaloid. They do, but that's usually all
more like digitized, right? Because that's what like, the
concept is that like, like Hatsune Miku has a sort of
computerish voice. And same with the other
Vocaloids who I listen to, whose names I don't remember, I mean.
Yeah, kind of kind. Of, you know, so like, I guess
like, yeah, like I so I guess like in my head, the music was
like different than that vain. And like, it wasn't like it was
Vocaloid in the sense that like, well, I guess Yaochio is
technically a Vocaloid, right? Like it sounds like I don't
really know what a vocaloid is. I'll be honest with you.
OK I just saw I saw the term throwing around.
I went with it. If I'm wrong, my bad.
So like a Vocaloid is a software and you like, you can like type
in the things and it'll like sing it or whatever for you.
It's like a so it's like literally a computer program.
Oh. I I thought I thought those are
V tubers. No like because AV tuber is a
person that has like a mask on. Right, like.
Basically. I thought Vocaloid was just like
another term for it I guess. Oh no, a Vocaloid is like, I
believe, and you know what? We're going to learn because we,
I know we have people who know. But my understanding is that
Vocaloid is just literally a computer engine that makes
music. Like there is no Hatsune Miku,
right? No one sings for her.
It is a computer program. Oh, OK, see, I've learned this.
I didn't know that. OK, I, I just shows you like how
like I listen to the music when it's in my shows and that's
about it. I don't know anything outside of
that. So this is a this is a good
educational lesson for me right now.
Yeah, good. Well, I'm glad I'm the one who
could be teaching you about this because like, there's a 20%
chance I'm just fucking wrong and this is just all whatever.
But like, yeah, I would say it's closer to like AV Tuber where
it's like they have their like online Sukiyomi like Persona,
but they are singing like with their voice, you know, because
not to get into this is so unimportant.
It's it's a pocket point. Being it's like I like I'm
differentiating this. I like Vocaloid music but tend
to not listen to like a ton of J pop.
That is what I felt like this was not that they're not the
same thing, right. That's like a massive category.
But regardless, yeah, I I I think that too.
I I liked some of it. I think there might have been
too much. You ready for me to compliment
Uma Musume? What is happening cause?
What is? Yeah, I know.
I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
OK, First off, Tokai Te'o exists and I'm forever happy about
that. Second of off is that like they
have a similar performance theme to this stuff.
Uma Museme does like more Limited and I kind of wish they
had just picked maybe the three best songs in this and done
those, if that makes sense. Yeah, like I, so I agree.
I I, I think this is one of those things where like if you
really enjoyed the music, like this style of music, I bet you
probably wish that there was more.
I'm in the camp with you where I think especially when they had
like the well, actually, that actually makes kind of sense.
But when they're like. A so OK, here's my my thought is
that what one of them for whatever reason, the first time
they do the trio thing Euro Ha just looks like she's she wants
to die and I like. She's not happy at all to be
there. Yeah, I thought that was going
to be like a we were going to learn something, you know, like
kind of how like in the last thing we watched with the
concert, how you know that someone was off during that and
there was a reason behind it, even though I hated it.
Check out. Yeah, but at least there was a
reason there. OK, well, there we go.
I was trying to avoid spoiling it, but I'll last spoiler.
I don't know. It kind of is.
Not really. They'll figure you.
You'll figure it. OK.
Speaking of. Wait, really quick.
When did you clock that Yachio was Cockia?
Immediately. Yes, OK, good.
That's yeah, I just. I I thought it was like, yeah,
very obvious. I I agree, I I'm not sure if
we're supposed to know or not, but I I feel like we all did.
She knows. Everything about Heroha, like
right, It's like. Yeah, yeah, she she yeah, yes.
And also she said I know Coggia very well and like, she was just
like listing off Coggia facts that only Coggia would know.
Yeah. And also she actually just looks
like Princess Coggia. Yeah, like from the.
From the actual story though I did though I did say hold on
before I I I will have to address this because in discord
I put Yacchio is actually a Roja's mom in like the 1st 10
minutes of the movie. So I did technically, but I was
like a blind guest without contact.
So I did technically say. Yeah, but little did you know
that you would end up thinking that Iroja is Yacchio's mom.
Damn if it's the same person. Yep.
Oh shit, I'm going to need a second.
OK. All right, I'm good.
OK, Did you have a favorite song?
No. OK, cool.
Right like not that I can name. I liked the song when they were
they were fighting and that was my favorite song.
I don't that's probably the only one I would ever put on again.
I. Always feel bad when you like
when we're reviewing stuff because like we love the medium
and we want to cover everything. And there's some things that are
just like it's, that's why like watch Club is great because like
sometimes we have like 4 or five opinions and like one person we
can like gravitate towards. And this is just like, yeah, we
liked it. It's like, you know, this movie
is heavily focused on the music. It's just like 2 dudes are just
like, yeah, that's fine. The unfortunate part about this
is that like we have people on our discord who we who we love,
who would probably like shoot both of us to save this music.
Right, like and I get it. Like, yeah, but I thought it was
like, fine, it, you know, it was just sort of like, like, I I I
get it. It's like, you know, if we ever
watched the anime bibliography of the Eagles, you know, Pat
will be dying on that hill. Oh my God, He.
Won't make it. He'll be I'm not going to stop
right there, but OK. Because this I guess it's
Speaking of the colors within and everything like that because
they had three songs and I thought like 2 of the three were
like Omega Bank and I still listen to them on my playlist.
And this I don't know if they had like, I wonder what like the
consensus best or I should say consensus, but like what what do
you think is like the most popular song from this movie?
Because you know, it's OK K pop demon hunters when when we
watched it, there was a we I think we when we asked like what
our favorite songs were, there was five of us on that review
and I think we had like 3 or 4 different and that one had less
songs than this. So I wonder if it's a thing, if
it's if it's an US thing or if the people who really enjoy this
music have like a stand out like this is this is the Bob.
This is the golden of. Cosmic Princess Calgary because
as a casual fan, I I didn't get that.
That makes sense. Yeah, no, I I agree.
I mean like and honestly would were there 9 songs on this or
was that you sing a number? OK so the the track list for the
movie is 10 song but I don't think there's 10 songs in the
movie. I think it's like 6 or 7.
I'm trying to remember because the.
See this. I I guess it's more of the, it's
more of the fact. Like gun to my head it.
There's no stand out is what I'm trying to get out I guess for me
as a casual. If before this episode you put a
gun in my head and said, Miles, how many songs are there in
this? You know, if you get it wrong,
I'll fucking shoot you. I, I would have said four and I,
I guess I would have gotten fucking shot because like,
that's what I can remember. Yeah, I think there's three in
the like the last 10 minutes, OK.
Oh yeah, they had the last part of the yeah, OK.
I just, I didn't like those songs.
I forgot about them, especially because the visuals were so
good. I think I was just like very
focused on like the visuals is my guess.
I don't know it like I I just feel like we're digging our our
hole. Well, it's a little deeper for
people who did like this. I I think at the end of the day,
what I'm trying to say is we like the music.
We want to, we want we it's, it's one of those things where
it's like we want to try to cover everything and we like to
try different things than we're dipping our toes in the sand.
It just feels bad when people are like searching out this
content and it's just two dudes be like, yeah, the music was OK,
so we like. Yeah, I, you know, that's it,
unfortunately. Yeah.
Like don't get your J pop opinions from Peter I, but if
you go to our discord, there are people who you should get your J
pop opinions from and you can talk to them.
Yeah. OK.
What else do we want to talk about here, Pete?
Do we want to do Neon Genesis yet or is it too early?
Let me talk. I mean, I want to talk about the
world. Oh yeah, because you had that
point you wanted to make. Yeah, the Sukiyomi, right?
So the world, the world that Sukiyomi felt like to me felt
like the Oasis from Ready Player 1 where it was, it kind of felt
like it was an all-encompassing world where you can do anything.
But I couldn't get a feel on like, is Yachio like the most
popular person in this world or is she just the most popular
person like in this realm that they're in like this little like
bubble of V tubers that they're all hanging out in?
And like, I guess I couldn't really understand the world
itself. It like what its purpose was.
Like, was it a was it like, what's what's that video game
from like the 90s? Or was like Second Life?
Was it like a Second Life thing? Yeah.
Or is it like, I don't know, Or is it like a VRSAL?
Like I couldn't get a grasp on what the world was and it was
confusing me. Did you have any thoughts on the
world? OK.
My thought is like one it was neat 2 like I I didn't think
about it too hard because I didn't really think it wanted me
to. Like there are some, you know,
stuff you could like, sort of nitpick about, like the game
they played being kind of dumb or the whole setup of the
contest being a bit weird. But like, I just didn't, I don't
think that mattered. So I didn't really put my head
to it. Sure, I thought it was neat.
I, you know, I, I loathe Ready Player 1.
The movie or the book? So I didn't really think of it
as the book. OK so I hate this book.
Yeah, I have two copies. In the.
Closet behind me. OK.
I don't love it but I don't really and but I bought 2 copies
of it so. It's like I I just thought you
not to get too on to it, but like the thing where it, it
here's 10 second ready player 1 rant at the end when Wade or
whatever his stupid name is, meets his girlfriend IRL who's
been so self-conscious the entire time about like what she
looks like real and she's like, Yo, you don't really.
And she has like a birthmark on her face and it's she's like
other than that she was super hot.
But but it's just like it feels like the most wish fulfilling
bullshit in the world. It's like, which is what the
book is, which is fine. You're allowed to like that.
It's just 80s nostalgia and wish fulfillment.
It's it's fine. The the the quiz is to just
repeat Monty Python movies from a script to just can you?
Did you remember? Some 10 second rate that was.
Yeah, I could do. Oh God, tune into our.
Ready Player 1 review later this week.
I would please. Yo.
I haven't seen the movie, I wonder if I would like it
anymore. We should vote.
Should we? Do we need to do Eclipse or
Ready Player 1? We'll leave it to the voting.
OK, we we'll, we'll do voting for it.
But like, I don't know, I thought the world was really
neat. It felt fantastical, It felt
futuristic, it felt wondrous. You know, it wasn't like really
hard sci-fi in any way the way that like the Oasis tries to be
a little bit like where it sort of explains how everything works
and how it's built off of itself.
But like, I think that's a good comparison, right?
Like I think the one that a lot of people went to was EIN Crad
and like the reason we do that is because it's also an anime
like. I never really got Sao like
ever. So like it's a virtual world
that you lock into, but like the world?
Is so it's a virtual world you you lock into that is like a
video game. And then like they sort of like
if you were saying like if I had to pick a scene that I thought
was reminiscent of another scene they I thought they were playing
on, like the Sachi scene when her brother died.
And it does sort of like the turn and talk and then puffs
into smoke like that, sort of like death from it, you know.
So I mean, like obviously like way less important there than
that. I mean, I guess it would be
closer to Alfheim Online where they're all like hanging out and
they all have their different like little races they are and
everything. As opposed to like Iron Cried,
which is like a a game where there's exactly swords that you
can use and everyone's a human question.
Hey, for yeah, the characters themselves inside of the world,
did did that play anything into like the actual story of
Princess Kaguya Like. Oh God, probably.
I have to imagine there was a reason she was a rabbit, right?
I am not. And there's like a we had like a
cat. We had like a we had no catan.
Well, yeah, so the the no, we had no Catan.
Someone was a deer. Oh yeah, someone was a deer.
The one that thought that the brother was hot and we just
never got so Kagiya Otsusuki from Naruto has rabbit ears
refacing her connection to the moon.
Moons are rabbit thing moons. Moon rabbit.
That's Jeffy's folklore thing we got.
There. OK, Suki no Usagi.
OK, that's neat. That's like a whole thing.
There's a lot of great stuff like that on in this anime, a
lot of like symbolism and like stuff that when if we watch it
again, we'll like notice more. I'm quite sure.
You know, they definitely did a good job with all of that.
Like even, you know, just like they really kept the the
structural parts of Coggia there in a way, which is pretty cool.
So, you know, and then maybe there's stuff with her brother,
too. And like, their team because
they all had like, sort of like an Oni feel to it.
Like I would be surprised if basically yeah, if like anything
was unintentional. I bet it was.
It just feels like this is like a movie, that all of that was
intentional. Yeah, they layered like a lot in
there for everything, which is good.
I always I always have a fun time with that so.
Before we get the final thoughts though.
Yes. Hit me, is it neon justice time?
Let's do it. OK, I wrote this down.
If you don't want to be spoiled on Neon Genesis, I would suggest
using the time stamps and just fast forwarding to our final
thoughts. So Miles.
Yes. OK, there is an object currently
on Earth that isn't supposed to be there.
Was that sound that sound like Neon Genesis?
A little bit. That sounds like the thing from
1986. OK, well, what if?
John Carpenter said. OK, So what if there was an
event that happened that caused something in the past?
So this is where I so this is where I'm going with it.
OK, so the object on earth is it wasn't supposed to be there in
in Princess Kagia. It's Kagia and and Neon Genesis.
It's Lilith. OK, so Yachio's Lilith.
Sorry, not Yachio Kagio's Lilith.
Then we had an event. Yacio is also.
True, yes, but this, you know what I mean.
OK, so 8000 years ago an event happened that caused that
started the events of everything.
The first impact OK, then a baby is discovered in a telephone
bowl glowing. Second impact, then.
OK. OK, then we have a found family
teaming up to defeat enemies coming from the sky, trying to
retrieve the object that is not supposed to be on earth, The
angels and whatever the things are, the mood people.
And then we get and then we get a happy ending.
It's it's Evangelion. I'm sorry.
The last the last the last fight.
The last bit of this entire movie is the end of Neon Jazz's
even Gileon. I'm sorry, they're the same
movie. Wait, you thought you thought
Neon Jazz's even Gileon had a happy ending, did you?
Watch the rebuilds. That OK, that's different.
Those are different. Those are different things.
Are they? Yes, that's the point.
Well, in the world of Otto, what is what is what's what's what's
Ava? It's rebuilds, right?
It's yeah, I guess I don't know. I mean, it's a reconstruction of
it, right? Like, so that's fair.
You can say this is like the rebuilds.
I'm happy with it. So the whole time I was thinking
I was like Kagya is just Lilith and the angels are coming to
retrieve Lilith and remove the spear of loginess which is E
Roja because E Roja is the person that is keeping Kagya on
earth. I'm just saying man.
It's the same way that they took the story of the Bamboo Cutter
and turned it into this. They took the story of the
Justice Eva Gillian and made the last arc of the movie.
And I'm I'm going to die on that hill.
I'm 100% dying on the hill. I'll visit buddy.
I'll visit your great, OK. Final thoughts, Miles, run it.
What's your final thoughts on this movie?
What'd you give it? Would you?
Would you watch it again? Did you watch it subbed or
dubbed? Will you venom me 20 bucks?
Yeah. So First off, Venmo's on the
way. Second off, I watched, I watched
this dubbed because I was a quasi last minute fill in sort
of for this and I downloaded it on Netflix because I was on
vacation this weekend and that's what downloaded.
So I didn't have much choice in the matter.
Literally all I could watch it on was dub because.
Because I downloaded that download show Love through a
prism or whatever for my trip. I should probably check the
downloaded dub their sub. You probably should though, the
dub sounded pretty good when I listened to it.
They're British people right? So you just get like quasi
British accents or whatever. Boy mate.
But I know this was a lot of fun.
I really loved the chemistry between Eeroha and Kagia.
I think that they sort of just made it a little too jam packed,
but worse things have happened and it was entertaining, which
is like the main thing. Hell yeah.
I know I'm going to have a lot of good conversations with this
after the fact. So it'll be interesting to see,
you know, where I made mistakes in my analysis or if anything
changes my mind on anything or whatever, if I was more or less
accurate because there's a lot of stuff here.
There's obviously a lot of love and care put into this.
I just sort of wish that they'd either like edited it down a
little bit to just sort of focus on Euro Ha and Kagia, or they
had expanded it and we got like the like a season of this.
And so we could have like delved into Euro Ha more like her back
story and how she changed and all of that.
I also think the ending was a bit shaky, but I don't think I'm
alone on that one so. But I also think it's like,
fine, I gave it an 8, I had a good time, I would watch it
again. Hell yeah.
So I guess it's a couple of my thoughts.
The fact that this doesn't have the comedy tag is crazy.
I thought this was a hilarious film.
Like genuinely a very funny movie.
Like visually and dialogue wise, I had a great time, like
watching along and laughing along with this.
You mentioned the the chemistry at first I wasn't I was
wondering if it would get better and it got way better.
So definitely, definitely like the chemistry with that eye
candy visually stunning movie 1 of just an absolute gorgeous
film. The the things that they do with
the color palettes with I feel like the Sukiyomi night areas
made me feel like I was watching like and they were like in
Spirited Away and they're like walking up to the bath house at
night and stuff like that. Like it it gave me.
That's like a great, yeah, like a neo Tokyo spirited away,
right? Like, yeah, that's a great, a
good job. That's exactly the vibe.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
That's the first time you ever said that to me.
But then in the contrast, no. But like in the contrast they,
they sort of like go against that when they're in real life.
There are instances where they like the the festival and
they're like outside, but I feel like they do a great job at this
contrast of like the pancakes, the pancakes showcasing like the
color palettes in two different ways.
So big fan of that sound direction.
Insane. It sounded amazing, incredible
work. The music was really well done.
It's one of those things where it's like even if I'm not
familiar with the style of music a lot or who's the big artist,
it's cool that like I can still have fun and like jive to the
songs, even if it's like not my thing.
It's like, I don't know if you like go to like a a dance hall
and even if you don't know the words or whatever, it's like as
long as it's got like a beat in a rhythm, you can still dance to
it. And like that's kind of like
what I felt with the music. I was like, even if it's not my
thing, like it's still fun. Awesome that they included like
different groups into like the soundtrack.
So like I think there's a couple of actual like B tubers that are
in this. I know that Honeyworks did a
song with them, so they were collaborating with people that
are in like the Japanese music sphere that are part of this.
So that's really cool that they included them in it.
Entertainment factor. This was like a 2 1/2 hour movie
and it felt like a breeze. It was really easy to watch.
I have blast watching with everybody.
We're doing more watch parties in our Discord so if you want to
come watch some movies with us, how to do it like once a month
ish now it seems like so I'm going to keep trying to do that
whenever new movies become available but love interacting.
I think the biggest problem with watching this movie though on
like a computer or for you like an iPad.
The level of this movie would be elevated so much higher if I saw
it on theaters. It reminded me of watching Pro
Mare that I saw Pro Mare in theaters and it was like one of
the best movie going experiences I've ever had in anything.
It was a blast. It reminded me of like an anime
Mad Max. That's how much of A like really
experience I had at the movie theaters with it.
But then when I watched it on my iPad, like it wasn't the same.
And so I feel like that's what this is.
So I'm giving it an 8. But I do feel like if I watch
this at like a like a IMAX, this could be like a like a nine.
Like I, I really do feel like we're missing a level of visual
and sound design and levels of like that without experiencing
it. So I'm going to give it that
caveat that I do think that if I saw this 50 years, it would be a
higher score. But I loved it.
This was a fantastic and fun film.
Just a absolute blast to watch. I would 100% watch this again.
I'd be really intrigued to watch the dub.
But yeah, still 2 eights from us.
We really, really liked it. And I'm sure people who really
enjoyed this type of music are probably going to rate way
higher as at 8.5 on Mal though. It's awesome to see the
reception of though. Maz, you have any parting
thoughts? Oh, of note, the songs are
dubbed too. That could totally affect my.
Perception of the songs? I just assumed they did.
They've never dubbed. The song, yeah, I just, I forgot
to mention that. And Netflix does.
Wow, they generally do. Had no idea.
Like with Rosa Versailles and everything.
All they did is that was the best part of the movie.
And yeah. Check out our.
Recent movie Versailles, Where's my Girl?
There she is. And so that could definitely
have affected it. Again, unfortunately I just
didn't have an option because I had to watch this in a car so.
Understandable. Yeah, but it was so good
nonetheless. But yeah, and the dub, like the
speaking part of the dub was all very good.
Like they did a good job of interpreting all of that so.
Right on. Well, I wonder what the next
movie we're going to get is so we can keep doing these types of
episodes. So Miles, thank you for joining.
I mean, that's August now, so. They'll call.
They moved it back again. Yeah, you got it was supposed to
come out in February. It got delayed and then they
were like, oh, I wonder what month is going to be?
They're like August. It's like she.
I don't even know what the next. I wonder what the next big like
movie would be. I hope we get chow one day, but
I don't think we're going to get that.
So let us know what movies you want us to cover.
We will try our best. It's the last Mononoke movie, so
that's the next one. Like I'm.
Excited about that? Hell yeah.
OK, well Miles, parting word to your adoring fan.
Mom. Mom, it is if you have made it
this far, you want support, honestly, shout out.
I don't know what happened. We hit an algorithm or
something, but lately, like non YouTube has been blowing up.
So if you're listening to our audio stuff, thank you.
If you want to see what we look like, we have visual content on
Spotify and YouTube, so check us out there.
I mean otherwise I want to say thanks to everybody out there.
If you want to support us, I know dude, we're stunning like
comment, subscribe, leave a review, whatever platform you're
watching or listening to us on go to have some stuff next week.
I will be going to, I'm leaving for Japan and actually when this
episode drops, when this episode drops, I will be in Japan.
So OK, so then we'll have some breaks coming up, but I will be
in Japan. So we'll be missing a couple two
weeks of content. But I will say thank you and
everybody, Miles, thank you for taking time out of your day and
we will see you next time. Bye, bye, bye bye.
Bye, bye, bye now.