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Hello ladies and gentlemen, 
welcome to what you see anime. 

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I am your host Peter. 
On today's episode, we got a 

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special kind of like a review 
episode that we we do from time 

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to time. 
But Netflix got a new movie 

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called Cosmic Princess Cagia 
that has been out for a couple 

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weeks and it's been on at least 
my radar for a little bit. 

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And I also got around to 
watching it. 

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So we decided, hey, let's do an 
episode and talk about it. 

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So joining me today is my lovely
Co host, Miles Miles. 

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Before we jump into everything 
that is Cosmic Princess Cagia, 

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want to get your thoughts of 
sort of what you thought this 

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movie was like before coming 
into it And then sort of, you 

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know, did it change anything 
when you actually started 

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watching it? 
Yeah, I, I gotta say, this movie

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more or less did exactly what I 
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previews, based on what I had 
heard people like who I know 

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that liked it and all of that. 
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Like it, it sort of hit the mark
sort of dead on. 

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It was a, it was a big fun time 
and it was something that I was 

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looking forward to watching 
since I saw the trailer. 

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And so, yeah, what about you? 
Do were your expectations met, 

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Defied. 
What happened? 

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Oh, Defy did defy my expectation
coming into this because we've 

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done the tale of Princess Kaguya
the the Ghibli film. 

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So I have a little understanding
of sort of the Bamboo Cutter 

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story lore of Princess Kaguya. 
So coming into it, I was, I was 

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intrigued to see how they were 
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And I was a little surprised by 
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this story. 
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followed the same premise pretty
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twists and turns that they did 
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I I, I thought it was really 
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perspective on this story While,
well, it's like, it's like a 

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combination of a couple things, 
right? 

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So this is like a traditional 
Japanese folklore that's meshing

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with like current hype, like 
like the trend right now, like 

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Vocaloids and V tubers and stuff
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So taking folklore and then 
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combining it into one story, I 
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of everything. 
So that's what we're going to 

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talk about today on our 
episodes. 

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So we're going to be going over 
the movie, obviously Spoiled 

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Alerts. 
If you haven't seen it, we're 

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going to be talking about the 
movie. 

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Go watch it. 
It's on Netflix. 

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It's like 2 1/2 hours long, 
which maybe is our first talking

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point is the length and the pace
of this. 

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So miles. 
I know you had some words about 

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it, so I'll have you. 
Yeah, OK. 

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I guess like, OK, everyone 
listening because of our first 

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talking point, I'm going to 
start off a little critical 

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here, I suppose. 
Though I did have a good time 

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with this movie, so keep bear 
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Mind, yeah, I think we'll be 
mostly positive, but there are 

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some things. 
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So I guess like my issue with 
this is that I feel like this 

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either should have been shorter 
by a fair amount and or much 

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longer. 
And like those are the those are

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like my two options, I guess, 
because there's a lot of stuff 

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that we don't get enough detail 
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And they just sort of do things 
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think the biggest example is her
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I was going to say her mom, but 
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Thought that OK, the whole 
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because the yes, because the mom
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example because that all gets 
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being Kagiya's like not Kagiya's
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said that very anglicized, you 
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point, right, is she's she's 
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herself to have fun because of 
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And some, like, tension she had 
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to what I would consider some 
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her brother was just like, I'll 
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like, he was sort of able to get
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He's like, I'm going to. 
Tell you in peace. 

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And I was like. 
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to be like a pro gamer and 
really hot and everyone's going 

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to love me and you know, like 
you're a got got around to that.

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But it took her like the same 
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everyone thinks she's hot. 
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things got like a little rush. 
Like I liked the fight they had 

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that lasted forever in League of
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Sure they're. 
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I want to talk about that later 
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Yeah, like when they kill him in
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battle because we're we're 
watching a a MOBA that has 

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lives. 
It was just it's sort of an 

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interesting premise that would 
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you just dive three times or 
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And it's just like, I know I 
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wins for the next 45 minutes 
because it's a MOBA. 

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Hey as. 
Our attention spans get less and

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less. 
We need games that will fill our

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like well that was weird. 
Your camera. 

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Went yeah, I know. 
I wonder what's happening there.

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I know, but you're entering the 
matrix now, Audio listener. 

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What the hell? 
Yeah, we have visual. 

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We're going to sue Kiyomi, which
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Oh, let's just yes. 
So we were talking about the, 

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the MOBA. 
I was a little, I was being a 

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little cheeky about that. 
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few things with this. 
I would have liked to know more 

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about Coggia's past as well. 
She talks about like how boring 

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the moon is and everything. 
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see it. 
Is it like, is that her 

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perspective? 
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She does decide at one point 
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back. 
Like, you know, she's obviously 

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very sad to lose Iroha, but and 
like there is some obligation 

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there to go back. 
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fighting it the same way 
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And then I, you know, like, I 
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pacing thing, everyone gets on 
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really quick. 
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wasn't time to have a scene that
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whatever. 
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and her brother's like, so she 
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That was. 
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this movie to be kind of more 
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going to be. 
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how she is an alien. 
I think could have been a great 

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scene to like or like comedic 
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But I do think that there was 
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throughout the show. 
But when when you're talking. 

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About it was it was funny for 
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I know, sorry, I was just 
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Like there were a lot of moments
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and everything and IA lot of 
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smiled at or whatever it was, 
you know, Cockney just buying 

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all the shit at the beginning. 
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You know, and like various 
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or when she made that like 
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And Ira was just like, this is 
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I can't be mad, but I am mad. 
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down while eating Hamburg steak,
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I I made AI made a comment in 
chat that this movie was a 10 

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out of 10 because they included 
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But I I think you made a good 
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long or not long enough. 
Yes, but so like here's kind of 

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like what I was saying, because 
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thought because the last time I 
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centered around music was the 
colors with it and that entire 

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movie there's three songs. 
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So I was trying to think like it
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included in the movie to that we
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some stuff because like the mom 
issue after it was like, I don't

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know it. 
It sucks because we have journal

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with which airing this season, 
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drama so well that when we have 
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and I'm just like, how are they 
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And it it kind of just like a 
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was just like done. 
I was like that seems like a 

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little off. 
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like you could like excluded, 
like you could leave her 

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brother, but like the whole like
back story with like her dad 

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dying. 
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like, I feel like it didn't need
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like I while like I understand 
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I feel like the importance of it
isn't like what people are 

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focusing on in this movie. 
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on the music and like having fun
with like these B tubers in this

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virtual world. 
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introducing this like subplot of
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me? 
I just didn't get the brother. 

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Made sense. 
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like they wanted to explain Euro
Ha's like, because like the the 

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message here is sort of like 
you're not confined to any sort 

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of destiny. 
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And so like Euro Ha thinks she 
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you know, to get good grades and
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You know, she's like very type A
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the bone in order to succeed at 
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Won't let herself have fun, 
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undermined by all of the fun she
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movie. 
Like you know, she is working 

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very hard, but she also does 
have time to like be like a 

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quasi full time streamer and win
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But regardless, like, that's the
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And so I think they needed to 
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And so they were like, I don't 
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And then it felt important 
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Kagi was like, do you love your 
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She was like, God, I don't know,
that's a hard question. 

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Like, you know, part of me does 
because she's my mom. 

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She didn't even say all this, by
the way, that that just ended 

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there. 
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right, Because she's the source 
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But she also is her mother and 
is probably, you know, raised 

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her and been kind to her points.
So it's probably better when her

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dad was alive, you know, that 
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But like, that doesn't get 
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And so I would have rather just 
been like, Aroha is like this 

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because some people are like 
this and we're free to 

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speculate, like, why she's a 
little, like, tightly wound as 

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opposed to like, telling us why 
but not explaining it, if that 

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makes sense. 
No, Like, yeah. 

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It it's just, yeah, it's just 
like the one thing I don't know,

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building up to it and just 
getting that result while the 

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rest of the movie I felt like 
built up to a lot of other 

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things that did very well. 
That was like the one thing that

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just like didn't land for me. 
It just felt it just felt off in

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the stylus show that it was our 
style of movie that it was 

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presenting itself in because we 
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and outcomes and that one was 
just so lackluster, like all 

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right. 
But really that was my biggest 

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complaint. 
I would say like outside that, I

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think that this movie was like 
very good. 

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So do you have any more things 
you want to get off your chest 

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before we move into the 
positives? 

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Well, OK. 
Yeah. 

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If we're going to, if we're 
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Let's front load it. 
I think the ending of this movie

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is bad. 
I've thought about this a lot 

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over the last day and a half 
because I, I enjoyed it at the 

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end, but like, I, OK, so like 
what happens for everyone who is

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for some reason, it's a good 
movie. 

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Please just go and watch this. 
Like it's a it's a fun time at 

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the very least, right? 
And it's, it's a good eye candy 

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and everything. 
But Cognia goes to back to the 

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moon and she isn't particularly 
happy about this after period of

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time. 
So she tries to use moon 

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technology to like time travel 
back to Earth to see Euro ha 

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again. 
Yeah, but misjudges by about 

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8000 years and travels to. 
Fun fact everyone, Yachio means 

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8000 years. 
That's what the name means. 

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So if you knew that the the bot 
twist was easy to see coming. 

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I've seen known that with 
Apocalypse Hotel. 

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Oh yeah, look at that. 
It also could just mean like an 

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eternity or like a long time or 
whatever. 

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It's like the same way that like
some numbers in the Bible are 

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used is like, you know, 40 is 
like very symbolic or whatever, 

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for whatever reason, like 
certain cultures or whatever. 

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It's like that sort of thing. 
Yeah, but 6967 in our modern day

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culture. 
Yeah. 

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Anyways, so she goes back to the
past and eventually becomes 

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Yacio, who is this sort of quote
UN quote AI, which I think is 

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just Cogia. 
Yeah, from well, there's a lot 

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of debate about this, by the 
way. 

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I think yes, I think it's just 
Cogia. 

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Some people think it is a Cogia.
AII disagree. 

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I don't think it is AI at all. 
I know, I I agree. 

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But people get trapped up 
because then they make a body 

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and then transport Coggia's 
brain or mind into it later. 

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But like because wibbly wobbly 
timey whimey stuff is just coggy

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it twice I think. 
Yes, that. 

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OK, That's what I thought too. 
Yeah. 

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I even messaged you saying I 
want to talk about the time 

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travel before we record this 
episode. 

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And then I forgot to do that 
because I got lost a little bit 

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on the time traveling. 
So I'm glad that we're in the 

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same boat because that's exactly
what I thought. 

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OK, yeah. 
So that that is my understanding

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now there is a novelization 
coming out from this that will 

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hopefully clear that out, right?
Like it'll make it perfectly 

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clear what happened because 
there's a few different, I guess

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main theories that I've seen 
while looking stuff up. 

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But what I thought and what 
appears So what I thought 

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initially. 
And so the theory that I have 

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decided is right because it 
confirmed what I thought was 

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basically that, you know, Yachio
is Coggia, you know, but semi 

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limited because of her 
capabilities of like being able 

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to leave the moon for whatever 
reason. 

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They talk about how the the 
world they live in Sukiyori Suki

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Tom. 
Well, it's the name of the moon 

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God. 
Sukiyomi is the like is closer 

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to like the world of the moon in
like whatever. 

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So like there's sort of 
similarities there, sort of thin

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veil, if you will. 
And so you know, they also talk 

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about how they're going to go to
Sukiyomi to bring her back 

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because that's a lot easier for 
them to do. 

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And like why they didn't just be
like, OK, don't go to the game 

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on full moons. 
You know what, it doesn't 

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matter. 
Schedule our concert for 

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literally any other night is 
sorry, I just thought of that 

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and now it's going to drive me 
insane forever. 

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You know, it's like that. 
So she's like able to sort of 

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Pierce The Veil and go into this
place and be Yachio after she 

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went back and like was Coggio 
from, you know, the bamboo 

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Monocatri, like bamboo cutter 
Monocatri in the past, which is 

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sort of fun. 
So like she, she was always the,

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you know, like it's like time 
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right? 
She the first experience she had

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was in the year 2030. 
Like did we watch Princess 

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Coggia or did we watch 
Steinsgate? 

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Like where sometimes it's 
getting lost where we're at. 

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And then there there ends up 
being two of her at the. 

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End is my thought. 
Yeah, I got to a point where 

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like I threw like the logic and 
reasoning out the window because

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like I feel like if you tried to
connect some of the dots, you 

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just get lost in the stop like. 
Well, it's because they they, 

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and this is not that big of a 
criticism because almost 

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everything does it, but they 
fucked up the time travel a bit 

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like I'm, you know, it just it, 
it sort of creates a, you know, 

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it's, it destroys the linearity 
of time in a way, because Kagia 

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from the past, who was Yachio 
wouldn't have ever been there 

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until Kagia from the future, who
is younger. 

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Kagia went back in time after 
all these events happened, but 

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clearly she had done that before
because that's how she was there

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throughout all of Aurora's. 
Life, right? 

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The reincarnation has something 
to do with it too. 

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I don't know. 
Maybe. 

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Yeah, I don't know either. 
There's. 

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A lot going on, right? 
There's like moon, there's moon 

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magic, wibbly wobbly timey wimey
stuff and then like 

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reincarnation stuff. 
So like the I think the general 

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goal is for them to just be like
don't, don't fucking think about

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it. 
It it happened, which is sort of

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like the message the show is 
telling us, right, Which is just

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like make your own happy ending.
It doesn't really matter if it 

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makes sense or not. 
It's like flip flappers that 

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way, banger. 
And so, yeah, I just didn't like

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it because, like, the way that 
they resolve everything at the 

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end is they show us the fact 
that a Roja becomes some 

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insanely biotech, you know, Yes,
which is fine. 

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She's just this is it is she's 
not much. 

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Early on, she is very smart, but
she had to have overworked 

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herself quite a bit. 
Now there is a throwaway line 

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about how she needs a work life 
balance right in there. 

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And that is supposed to tell us 
that she has solved her problems

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and in the, you know, working 
too much, but has also invented 

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an Android that can capture the 
essence and stuff of something 

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not even across time, but across
dimensions. 

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But like earlier when they're on
the beach. 

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She's like, yeah, I schedule 
like my time off. 

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And so like I I care about or so
like what was the issue all 

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along? 
Battling in her demons? 

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Who knows? 
Yeah, I yeah, that's what I'm 

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saying. 
Like, I don't know, I just sort 

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of the ending wasn't. 
Do you ever? 

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Do you ever think like, this is 
literally happening to me right 

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now? 
You ever think like when you get

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home from work, you're like, 
man, tomorrow's going to suck. 

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And then like it's like fine, 
like, but like, but then yeah, 

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then you have like a, you have 
like a normal day at work, but 

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then you get home and then 
you're thinking, man, tomorrow's

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going to suck and then it's and 
then it's just fine like that. 

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That's why I feel like Iroja had
like her mind was like, 

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everything sucks and you get to 
the day and it's like, it was 

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all right. 
Yeah, we worked it out like it 

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was. 
Yeah, and I'm gonna lead this 

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into something that I think the 
show did well because, again, I 

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thought the ending was just sort
of rushed. 

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They're gonna have to have like 
a weird throuple with two Kagias

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and like, that's OK, I guess. 
Might be weird for Kagiya. 

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OK. 
Before you before you jump into 

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this, OK, everybody's talking 
about like their their 

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girlfriends and I never got that
vibe ever. 

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Like I, I think I'm in the 
minority. 

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I always felt like they were 
mother daughter, like always 

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mother daughter. 
OK, so. 

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And I know, I know there's hits.
I I get it because like I always

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felt mother daughter the whole 
time. 

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Yeah, you felt that the whole 
time, The whole even. 

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I felt that for like 2 to 5 
minutes. 

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I I even at the end of the 
movie, I was I was mother 

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daughter even watching the 
because like the motion video 

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after thing that Eagle sent us 
still mother daughter like it's 

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still that. 
So like that hand holding scene 

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during the fireworks? 
Yeah, Were they like laced 

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hands? 
Yes, it was super gay 100% OK. 

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I'm not denying the fact that 
there are obvious visual clues 

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and hints to their relationship.
OK, can we do audio ones too? 

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Oh, because she says like, I 
love you and stuff like that. 

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And let's get married. 
I don't know, felt like, you 

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know how like you know how like 
little girls and like shells 

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like want to like marry their 
dad or something like that. 

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Yeah, I I mean, I get that 
Kaguya says that when she's more

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or less a full adult, though. 
Yeah, OK. 

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Well, OK, maybe I'm wrong at the
last end of it, but I'll, I'll, 

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how about this? 
Let me let me rephrase this. 90%

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of the movie I felt mother 
daughter. 

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I'm going to say 5% for me 
because in this it's like it's 

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the tail of the bamboo cutter, 
except for Koga and the bamboo 

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cutter. 
Fuck yeah, Yeah, this is. 

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But they don't show it. 
They don't show it. 

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Yeah. 
No, they have as, as they do 

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tiptoed around any sort of 
concrete signs of affection that

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people would normally expect to 
see from people, like kissing or

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whatever. 
Yeah. 

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So we can. 
We can, if you want to. 

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If you're that kind of person 
who goes on the Internet and 

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makes these sort of arguments, 
you can say no, this didn't 

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happen. 
Hear me out, hear me out. 

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I just thought of something 
because I don't know if you took

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this as what this is, but I 
really did feel like this is 

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like a love letter to like 
folkloids and streamers and V 

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tubers and stuff like that. 
But they get in trouble just 

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like idols for having 
relationships with people 

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because you're not allowed to be
a human being when it comes to 

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that type of stuff. 
So maybe it's a hint that 

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they're not allowed to say it 
because the idols and tubers 

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themselves are allowed to say 
it. 

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What do you think? 
Let's not, let's not do, let's 

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let's not let them like get away
with your rebating, OK? 

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Because like, they're just in 
their apt a lot. 

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They can't keep being away with 
this. 

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And like, this is honestly close
enough that like, I genuinely 

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think you would have to be kind 
of dumb to think that they 

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weren't together, I guess, 
unless you think. 

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It's always dumb. 
Yeah, I I I'm wait, I'm 

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caveatting it. 
But like, yes, I did. 

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But I it's like I. 
Was like, motherfucker, I just 

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said that a minute ago that I I 
definitely. 

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Didn't hit me too, but I guess 
like if you if, if, if you're 

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like OK, like you are very like 
adopted child pilled, right? 

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Like I feel like. 
You would keep the telephone 

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pole. 
Of course I am. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Well, OK, and so, you know, like
I think you just like that's 

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like your jam, whereas like Yuri
is my jam. 

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And so like we were both just 
reading into it that we wanted I

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yes, where is she? 
There She is, my my heme figure 

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and. 
Yeah, we're connected to dots. 

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Wait till the later the episode 
when I compare this to Dion 

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Genesis Evangelion and I'm not. 
Joking. 

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I can't, I can't wait, because 
if anything is is filled me with

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less despair than neons and even
going on did it, it was this, it

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was this movie. 
Very excessive dread from this 

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movie. 
Nothing but essential dread. 

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OK, now that we have we, we took
that tangent. 

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I do want to say something this 
does well, which we sort of 

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sidebarred into, but I think it 
does a good job of showing how 

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good Kagia and Arroja are for 
each other from like a 

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relationship standpoint and how 
that would alter who they are. 

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Yes. 
OK, so this is also part I want 

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to talk about with the 
characters themselves. 

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Did you, when you were watching 
this, did you feel like, oh, 

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they got that reference from 
show X or show Y or something 

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like that? 
Did you ever, did you ever feel 

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that while you were watching? 
There might have been 

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references, I can't remember any
off the top of my head. 

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I didn't. 
I didn't think of anything off 

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the top of my head as 
referential. 

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OK, so. 
You have a better knowledge pool

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than. 
Me no, no, so OK, it's it's in 

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relationships to like how the 
characters I guess are. 

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But like when I was watching 
this, they they were they kept 

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doing like Coggie's faces looked
a lot like a they did in Bochy 

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the rock. 
And so it's sort of I started 

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thinking I was like, OK, maybe 
they're referencing other shows 

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in this movie as references 
because Kakia had a lot of like 

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these like like the melting 
face, the side, the eyes looking

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like these directions. 
It's something they did. 

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Yes, who did the the the sort of
MO way comedy stuff? 

445
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,920
Yes, like the blobby stuff, but 
then it it got me sort of 

446
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,240
thinking like if they were sort 
of modeling these characters off

447
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,800
of I feel like Kakia is kind of 
based off of Nijika from Bocce, 

448
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,800
like how she looked and sort of 
like the actions. 

449
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,120
It was like and and and I I'm 
bringing this up for a reason, 

450
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,960
because I kept getting things 
like that throughout the movie 

451
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760
and I loved it because while I 
was thinking of this was a love 

452
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,320
letter to a bunch of things, 
what if it was also love letters

453
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,960
like animation, sort of like the
way that Zenshu did. 

454
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,480
So the the the fight that we 
talked about earlier with her 

455
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080
brother. 
There's like a scene in 

456
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,680
particular where they're like 
running up a rock and then 

457
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,880
they're jumping down on him. 
And it was like identical to the

458
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000
Rika fight and wondering 
priority. 

459
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,960
And also I started thinking as 
like, I wonder if they're like 

460
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:45,520
using different animes as 
references because it looked 

461
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:51,040
like the the stylization of that
particular fight was so much 

462
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,960
like the the Rika fight and that
and then shoot was the others. 

463
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,160
You know, no, what a terrible 
time to blank. 

464
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:07,120
But I guess it's more along the 
lines of like comparing this 

465
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:11,280
like Zenshu or other shows that 
like do this love letter and 

466
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,320
then using the references from 
other things. 

467
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,560
I just thought was like, at 
least I don't even know if I'm 

468
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,120
right. 
It just seems like it. 

469
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,440
And because I watch a ton of 
anime, it kind of feels like 

470
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,360
that. 
So I was always wondering if 

471
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,000
you've got that feeling too, 
because I think we were talking 

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,000
about in our discord when it was
happening and it was like, was 

473
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
that was that call back to 
something? 

474
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,240
So maybe I'm just rambling. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

475
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,560
I don't. 
If I had to guess, it wouldn't 

476
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,680
be like a direct call to 
anything, but it's sort of like 

477
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,920
took stylistic inspiration from 
it is what I would guess like. 

478
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,560
This Have you seen Cyber Wars? 
No. 

479
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,320
OK, because like I also, I mean,
if anyone's seen Summer Wars, 

480
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,880
you definitely got that feeling 
from this movie. 

481
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,760
I feel like when they were in 
Spooky Yomi. 

482
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,720
I don't know, I guess this is 
one of those things, I guess if 

483
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040
you're listening and you want to
like leave a comment. 

484
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,920
Did you feel like references 
coming through from other shows 

485
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,680
that you watch in this movie? 
Because I feel like it was on 

486
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,760
purpose because I noticed it 
more than once. 

487
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,640
That's just. 
Yeah, that's interesting to 

488
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760
note. 
I mean, like I definitely 

489
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,600
noticed similarities to Bochy, 
but this is like like a cousin 

490
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,720
of the genre I suppose. 
So I just sort of chalked it up 

491
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,240
to that. 
Now I don't know about I don't 

492
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,680
remember the Reeka fight off the
top of my head and I don't I've 

493
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,240
never seen like Summer wars or 
anything. 

494
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,520
So it's super possible that I 
missed. 

495
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,640
I'm sure there's stuff right? 
Anime loves to sell for like 

496
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,920
referential things. 
Yeah, I'm just trying to think 

497
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,760
it was like if you're having 
like if you want to have these 

498
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,920
scenes and showcasing like the 
women in this movie. 

499
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Like it just it felt, it felt 
like too on par that they were 

500
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,800
also referencing women in other 
shows that did like the exact 

501
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,280
same thing and that there was 
never all the references. 

502
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,240
I was thinking in my head were 
there were other like girls 

503
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,480
doing these actions. 
So that's maybe that made me 

504
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,560
think of it. 
It was or I could. 

505
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,240
Yeah. 
So I guess who knows. 

506
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,520
Because it's like if I had to 
put Kagia to a Buchi character, 

507
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,160
I wouldn't pick Nietzsche. 
I no no, she's like style. 

508
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040
She like physically looks like 
Nietzsche. 

509
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,160
Oh, she look, they look similar.
Yes, yeah. 

510
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,440
And. 
Then when they did like the 

511
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,440
Bochy. 
Blonde and. 

512
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,640
I was just like, this is just 
Bochy Nietzsche calling. 

513
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,320
Bochy. 
That's fair. 

514
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,920
I was going to say she's like 
more of a Kita in my mind, like 

515
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,800
personality wise. 
Yeah, she's 100%. 

516
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Yeah, she's Kita on, I don't 
know, 30 Mountain Dew. 

517
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,880
Oh, dear. 
But yeah, that was, I don't 

518
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,200
know. 
I thought it was great to look 

519
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,680
at like, like all of the 
animation of like inside the 

520
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,600
world and everything was 
wonderful and fantastical and 

521
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,560
bright and it made me feel like 
a sense of wonder and even just 

522
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,120
like the sort of regular like 
Japan and Tokyo scenes I thought

523
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,040
were done very well. 
I I think that was the absolute 

524
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,280
like I the eye candy. 
I would say eye candy in general

525
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
in this movie, especially like 
the color palette as well. 

526
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaking of the colors within. 
It had a very similar color 

527
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,880
palette to the colors within. 
But I don't know what I expected

528
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:33,440
coming into the movie in terms 
of animation, but this went way 

529
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
above and beyond what I was 
expecting. 

530
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,720
Like some of those scenes like 
we'll talk about in the when we 

531
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,520
get to the music part. 
But like the first insert song 

532
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,280
just like blew me away with the 
animations with like the colored

533
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,080
fish like flying up in the like 
in the yes the aether. 

534
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
That was that during the song. 
Because yeah, yeah, yeah. 

535
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,720
It's like, it's like the end of 
the song. 

536
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,000
OK, I'm just going to like up 
front. 

537
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,640
I do not remember any of the 
music from this. 

538
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,520
None of it hit for me, but it 
wasn't bad or anything. 

539
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,960
It's just, I don't know, very 
cute. 

540
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,800
Poppy, do you want? 
I do. 

541
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,680
You want to transition into that
because but I do want talk. 

542
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,960
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, like this is like, I 

543
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,240
like I remember liking the last 
song or the song during the 

544
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,760
fight or whatever. 
And then I remember the visuals 

545
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,880
of like that fish and everything
though. 

546
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,960
So like that's what stuck to me 
with the scene more so than the 

547
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,760
music. 
I think was I might have just 

548
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,480
been engrossed in the visuals, 
but if you want to talk about 

549
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,000
the music, go ahead. 
Well, I, I think because we are 

550
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,160
similar when it comes to this 
style of music. 

551
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,320
Like I would say like we like 
this music, but like we don't 

552
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640
actively listen to it. 
Like we don't search it out. 

553
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,080
Like if it's in our content, 
we'll listen to it. 

554
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,360
But like for me it's, it's just,
it's not my thing, I guess. 

555
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,800
But like, it's fine. 
Like I, I don't have an issue 

556
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,680
with it. 
I have I don't know if this is 

557
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,400
like a terrible take, but like, 
but since you maybe you don't 

558
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,720
have the same, I was hoping 
you'd have some very strong 

559
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,400
music takes because I did have a
really strong but like when they

560
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,760
got to the end and they're doing
like they're like trios thing 

561
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,720
that they do. 
I didn't like it. 

562
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,800
I I thought their songs were 
really kind of boring, which 

563
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,680
sucks because there are there 
are two songs in particular that

564
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,880
just like blew me away. 
The first one, Oto Yibanashi, I 

565
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640
believe it, it is. 
And then the music, the music 

566
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,560
video for like their official 
YouTube were two songs that were

567
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,640
just fantastic, fantastic song. 
But I guess it's like one of 

568
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,960
these things where it's like 
we're not coming into this as 

569
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,080
like the target demographic for 
it. 

570
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,800
So I don't want to like, I don't
want to say like the music's 

571
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,280
bad, but like it didn't, I would
say it didn't capture me as like

572
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,040
a casual whatever type of music,
the Vocaloid music. 

573
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,040
So I guess I wanted to get your 
thoughts on that too. 

574
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,360
I guess like it's not really 
Vocaloid music though, because 

575
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,880
like the Vocaloid music, OK, at 
least the Vocaloid music that I 

576
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,600
have listened to, right, Which I
listen to like, I mean, OK, 

577
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,200
there's going to be people 
listening to this that listen to

578
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,560
way more like Vocaloid I. 
Think we're showing our colors? 

579
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,800
We're not. 
This is not our experience. 

580
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,200
But what Wait, But wait, back in
the day when I was just grinding

581
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,600
the Overwatch ladder, right, I 
would put on gaming mixes and, 

582
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,440
you know, just play for hours. 
And those are basically 80% 

583
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Vocaloid. 
That's the the nerds yearn for 

584
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,800
Vocaloid. 
They do, but that's usually all 

585
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,120
more like digitized, right? 
Because that's what like, the 

586
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,600
concept is that like, like 
Hatsune Miku has a sort of 

587
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,720
computerish voice. 
And same with the other 

588
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,640
Vocaloids who I listen to, whose
names I don't remember, I mean. 

589
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,240
Yeah, kind of kind. 
Of, you know, so like, I guess 

590
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,360
like, yeah, like I so I guess 
like in my head, the music was 

591
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:09,920
like different than that vain. 
And like, it wasn't like it was 

592
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Vocaloid in the sense that like,
well, I guess Yaochio is 

593
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,480
technically a Vocaloid, right? 
Like it sounds like I don't 

594
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,760
really know what a vocaloid is. 
I'll be honest with you. 

595
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,600
OK I just saw I saw the term 
throwing around. 

596
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,480
I went with it. 
If I'm wrong, my bad. 

597
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,160
So like a Vocaloid is a software
and you like, you can like type 

598
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,120
in the things and it'll like 
sing it or whatever for you. 

599
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,320
It's like a so it's like 
literally a computer program. 

600
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Oh. 
I I thought I thought those are 

601
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,920
V tubers. 
No like because AV tuber is a 

602
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,160
person that has like a mask on. 
Right, like. 

603
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Basically. 
I thought Vocaloid was just like

604
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,680
another term for it I guess. 
Oh no, a Vocaloid is like, I 

605
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,600
believe, and you know what? 
We're going to learn because we,

606
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,720
I know we have people who know. 
But my understanding is that 

607
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,560
Vocaloid is just literally a 
computer engine that makes 

608
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,880
music. 
Like there is no Hatsune Miku, 

609
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,440
right? 
No one sings for her. 

610
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,120
It is a computer program. 
Oh, OK, see, I've learned this. 

611
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,400
I didn't know that. 
OK, I, I just shows you like how

612
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,520
like I listen to the music when 
it's in my shows and that's 

613
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,800
about it. 
I don't know anything outside of

614
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120
that. 
So this is a this is a good 

615
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,239
educational lesson for me right 
now. 

616
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Yeah, good. 
Well, I'm glad I'm the one who 

617
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,560
could be teaching you about this
because like, there's a 20% 

618
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,520
chance I'm just fucking wrong 
and this is just all whatever. 

619
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,280
But like, yeah, I would say it's
closer to like AV Tuber where 

620
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,000
it's like they have their like 
online Sukiyomi like Persona, 

621
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,239
but they are singing like with 
their voice, you know, because 

622
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,400
not to get into this is so 
unimportant. 

623
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,280
It's it's a pocket point. 
Being it's like I like I'm 

624
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,520
differentiating this. 
I like Vocaloid music but tend 

625
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,400
to not listen to like a ton of J
pop. 

626
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,320
That is what I felt like this 
was not that they're not the 

627
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440
same thing, right. 
That's like a massive category. 

628
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,640
But regardless, yeah, I I I 
think that too. 

629
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,280
I I liked some of it. 
I think there might have been 

630
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,760
too much. 
You ready for me to compliment 

631
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,800
Uma Musume? 
What is happening cause? 

632
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,240
What is? 
Yeah, I know. 

633
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,360
I'm not ready. 
I'm not ready. 

634
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,080
OK, First off, Tokai Te'o exists
and I'm forever happy about 

635
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,480
that. 
Second of off is that like they 

636
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,800
have a similar performance theme
to this stuff. 

637
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,320
Uma Museme does like more 
Limited and I kind of wish they 

638
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,360
had just picked maybe the three 
best songs in this and done 

639
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,600
those, if that makes sense. 
Yeah, like I, so I agree. 

640
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200
I I, I think this is one of 
those things where like if you 

641
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,960
really enjoyed the music, like 
this style of music, I bet you 

642
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,640
probably wish that there was 
more. 

643
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,520
I'm in the camp with you where I
think especially when they had 

644
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,240
like the well, actually, that 
actually makes kind of sense. 

645
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:59,240
But when they're like. 
A so OK, here's my my thought is

646
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,600
that what one of them for 
whatever reason, the first time 

647
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,320
they do the trio thing Euro Ha 
just looks like she's she wants 

648
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440
to die and I like. 
She's not happy at all to be 

649
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,800
there. 
Yeah, I thought that was going 

650
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,320
to be like a we were going to 
learn something, you know, like 

651
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,920
kind of how like in the last 
thing we watched with the 

652
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,240
concert, how you know that 
someone was off during that and 

653
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,240
there was a reason behind it, 
even though I hated it. 

654
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,360
Check out. 
Yeah, but at least there was a 

655
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440
reason there. 
OK, well, there we go. 

656
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,040
I was trying to avoid spoiling 
it, but I'll last spoiler. 

657
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,280
I don't know. 
It kind of is. 

658
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Not really. 
They'll figure you. 

659
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,000
You'll figure it. 
OK. 

660
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaking of. 
Wait, really quick. 

661
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,160
When did you clock that Yachio 
was Cockia? 

662
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,480
Immediately. 
Yes, OK, good. 

663
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,360
That's yeah, I just. 
I I thought it was like, yeah, 

664
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,080
very obvious. 
I I agree, I I'm not sure if 

665
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,280
we're supposed to know or not, 
but I I feel like we all did. 

666
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,800
She knows. 
Everything about Heroha, like 

667
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,560
right, It's like. 
Yeah, yeah, she she yeah, yes. 

668
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,000
And also she said I know Coggia 
very well and like, she was just

669
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,760
like listing off Coggia facts 
that only Coggia would know. 

670
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Yeah. 
And also she actually just looks

671
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,240
like Princess Coggia. 
Yeah, like from the. 

672
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,600
From the actual story though I 
did though I did say hold on 

673
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,840
before I I I will have to 
address this because in discord 

674
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,520
I put Yacchio is actually a 
Roja's mom in like the 1st 10 

675
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,600
minutes of the movie. 
So I did technically, but I was 

676
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,440
like a blind guest without 
contact. 

677
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,280
So I did technically say. 
Yeah, but little did you know 

678
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
that you would end up thinking 
that Iroja is Yacchio's mom. 

679
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Damn if it's the same person. 
Yep. 

680
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,920
Oh shit, I'm going to need a 
second. 

681
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,200
OK. 
All right, I'm good. 

682
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,000
OK, Did you have a favorite 
song? 

683
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,280
No. 
OK, cool. 

684
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,720
Right like not that I can name. 
I liked the song when they were 

685
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,960
they were fighting and that was 
my favorite song. 

686
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,440
I don't that's probably the only
one I would ever put on again. 

687
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,360
I. 
Always feel bad when you like 

688
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,160
when we're reviewing stuff 
because like we love the medium 

689
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,160
and we want to cover everything.
And there's some things that are

690
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,840
just like it's, that's why like 
watch Club is great because like

691
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,880
sometimes we have like 4 or five
opinions and like one person we 

692
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,880
can like gravitate towards. 
And this is just like, yeah, we 

693
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,840
liked it. 
It's like, you know, this movie 

694
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
is heavily focused on the music.
It's just like 2 dudes are just 

695
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,080
like, yeah, that's fine. 
The unfortunate part about this 

696
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,680
is that like we have people on 
our discord who we who we love, 

697
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,320
who would probably like shoot 
both of us to save this music. 

698
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,920
Right, like and I get it. 
Like, yeah, but I thought it was

699
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,360
like, fine, it, you know, it was
just sort of like, like, I I I 

700
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,960
get it. 
It's like, you know, if we ever 

701
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,280
watched the anime bibliography 
of the Eagles, you know, Pat 

702
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,800
will be dying on that hill. 
Oh my God, He. 

703
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Won't make it. 
He'll be I'm not going to stop 

704
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,480
right there, but OK. 
Because this I guess it's 

705
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaking of the colors within 
and everything like that because

706
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,840
they had three songs and I 
thought like 2 of the three were

707
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,280
like Omega Bank and I still 
listen to them on my playlist. 

708
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,640
And this I don't know if they 
had like, I wonder what like the

709
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,600
consensus best or I should say 
consensus, but like what what do

710
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,320
you think is like the most 
popular song from this movie? 

711
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Because you know, it's OK K pop 
demon hunters when when we 

712
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,840
watched it, there was a we I 
think we when we asked like what

713
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,920
our favorite songs were, there 
was five of us on that review 

714
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,360
and I think we had like 3 or 4 
different and that one had less 

715
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,960
songs than this. 
So I wonder if it's a thing, if 

716
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,200
it's if it's an US thing or if 
the people who really enjoy this

717
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,440
music have like a stand out like
this is this is the Bob. 

718
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,120
This is the golden of. 
Cosmic Princess Calgary because 

719
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,440
as a casual fan, I I didn't get 
that. 

720
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,840
That makes sense. 
Yeah, no, I I agree. 

721
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,320
I mean like and honestly would 
were there 9 songs on this or 

722
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,040
was that you sing a number? 
OK so the the track list for the

723
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,440
movie is 10 song but I don't 
think there's 10 songs in the 

724
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,120
movie. 
I think it's like 6 or 7. 

725
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:42,560
I'm trying to remember because 
the. 

726
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,160
See this. 
I I guess it's more of the, it's

727
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,600
more of the fact. 
Like gun to my head it. 

728
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,360
There's no stand out is what I'm
trying to get out I guess for me

729
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,840
as a casual. 
If before this episode you put a

730
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,120
gun in my head and said, Miles, 
how many songs are there in 

731
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,640
this? 
You know, if you get it wrong, 

732
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,320
I'll fucking shoot you. 
I, I would have said four and I,

733
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,480
I guess I would have gotten 
fucking shot because like, 

734
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,120
that's what I can remember. 
Yeah, I think there's three in 

735
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,520
the like the last 10 minutes, 
OK. 

736
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,560
Oh yeah, they had the last part 
of the yeah, OK. 

737
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,000
I just, I didn't like those 
songs. 

738
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,280
I forgot about them, especially 
because the visuals were so 

739
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,680
good. 
I think I was just like very 

740
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,840
focused on like the visuals is 
my guess. 

741
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,400
I don't know it like I I just 
feel like we're digging our our 

742
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,240
hole. 
Well, it's a little deeper for 

743
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,720
people who did like this. 
I I think at the end of the day,

744
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,360
what I'm trying to say is we 
like the music. 

745
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,080
We want to, we want we it's, 
it's one of those things where 

746
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,720
it's like we want to try to 
cover everything and we like to 

747
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,160
try different things than we're 
dipping our toes in the sand. 

748
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,240
It just feels bad when people 
are like searching out this 

749
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:07,400
content and it's just two dudes 
be like, yeah, the music was OK,

750
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,200
so we like. 
Yeah, I, you know, that's it, 

751
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,240
unfortunately. 
Yeah. 

752
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:20,320
Like don't get your J pop 
opinions from Peter I, but if 

753
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,320
you go to our discord, there are
people who you should get your J

754
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,120
pop opinions from and you can 
talk to them. 

755
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Yeah. 
OK. 

756
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,160
What else do we want to talk 
about here, Pete? 

757
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,640
Do we want to do Neon Genesis 
yet or is it too early? 

758
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,280
Let me talk. 
I mean, I want to talk about the

759
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,880
world. 
Oh yeah, because you had that 

760
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,000
point you wanted to make. 
Yeah, the Sukiyomi, right? 

761
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:46,400
So the world, the world that 
Sukiyomi felt like to me felt 

762
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,480
like the Oasis from Ready Player
1 where it was, it kind of felt 

763
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,920
like it was an all-encompassing 
world where you can do anything.

764
00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:01,240
But I couldn't get a feel on 
like, is Yachio like the most 

765
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,640
popular person in this world or 
is she just the most popular 

766
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,800
person like in this realm that 
they're in like this little like

767
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,120
bubble of V tubers that they're 
all hanging out in? 

768
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
And like, I guess I couldn't 
really understand the world 

769
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,480
itself. 
It like what its purpose was. 

770
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Like, was it a was it like, 
what's what's that video game 

771
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,240
from like the 90s? 
Or was like Second Life? 

772
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,160
Was it like a Second Life thing?
Yeah. 

773
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,840
Or is it like, I don't know, Or 
is it like a VRSAL? 

774
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,360
Like I couldn't get a grasp on 
what the world was and it was 

775
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,600
confusing me. 
Did you have any thoughts on the

776
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,040
world? 
OK. 

777
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:43,320
My thought is like one it was 
neat 2 like I I didn't think 

778
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,720
about it too hard because I 
didn't really think it wanted me

779
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:50,240
to. 
Like there are some, you know, 

780
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,160
stuff you could like, sort of 
nitpick about, like the game 

781
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,480
they played being kind of dumb 
or the whole setup of the 

782
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,600
contest being a bit weird. 
But like, I just didn't, I don't

783
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:06,520
think that mattered. 
So I didn't really put my head 

784
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,760
to it. 
Sure, I thought it was neat. 

785
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,760
I, you know, I, I loathe Ready 
Player 1. 

786
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,880
The movie or the book? 
So I didn't really think of it 

787
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,440
as the book. 
OK so I hate this book. 

788
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,160
Yeah, I have two copies. 
In the. 

789
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Closet behind me. 
OK. 

790
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,160
I don't love it but I don't 
really and but I bought 2 copies

791
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,520
of it so. 
It's like I I just thought you 

792
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,680
not to get too on to it, but 
like the thing where it, it 

793
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,960
here's 10 second ready player 1 
rant at the end when Wade or 

794
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,640
whatever his stupid name is, 
meets his girlfriend IRL who's 

795
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,800
been so self-conscious the 
entire time about like what she 

796
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,280
looks like real and she's like, 
Yo, you don't really. 

797
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,480
And she has like a birthmark on 
her face and it's she's like 

798
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,800
other than that she was super 
hot. 

799
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600
But but it's just like it feels 
like the most wish fulfilling 

800
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,080
bullshit in the world. 
It's like, which is what the 

801
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,400
book is, which is fine. 
You're allowed to like that. 

802
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,640
It's just 80s nostalgia and wish
fulfillment. 

803
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,320
It's it's fine. 
The the the quiz is to just 

804
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,080
repeat Monty Python movies from 
a script to just can you? 

805
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,320
Did you remember? 
Some 10 second rate that was. 

806
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,320
Yeah, I could do. 
Oh God, tune into our. 

807
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,280
Ready Player 1 review later this
week. 

808
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,200
I would please. 
Yo. 

809
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,520
I haven't seen the movie, I 
wonder if I would like it 

810
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,880
anymore. 
We should vote. 

811
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Should we? 
Do we need to do Eclipse or 

812
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,920
Ready Player 1? 
We'll leave it to the voting. 

813
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,840
OK, we we'll, we'll do voting 
for it. 

814
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,200
But like, I don't know, I 
thought the world was really 

815
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,080
neat. 
It felt fantastical, It felt 

816
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,840
futuristic, it felt wondrous. 
You know, it wasn't like really 

817
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,680
hard sci-fi in any way the way 
that like the Oasis tries to be 

818
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,040
a little bit like where it sort 
of explains how everything works

819
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,560
and how it's built off of 
itself. 

820
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:11,720
But like, I think that's a good 
comparison, right? 

821
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,520
Like I think the one that a lot 
of people went to was EIN Crad 

822
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,480
and like the reason we do that 
is because it's also an anime 

823
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,080
like. 
I never really got Sao like 

824
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:28,320
ever. 
So like it's a virtual world 

825
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,120
that you lock into, but like the
world? 

826
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,320
Is so it's a virtual world you 
you lock into that is like a 

827
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,160
video game. 
And then like they sort of like 

828
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,800
if you were saying like if I had
to pick a scene that I thought 

829
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,320
was reminiscent of another scene
they I thought they were playing

830
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,560
on, like the Sachi scene when 
her brother died. 

831
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,800
And it does sort of like the 
turn and talk and then puffs 

832
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,440
into smoke like that, sort of 
like death from it, you know. 

833
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,800
So I mean, like obviously like 
way less important there than 

834
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,880
that. 
I mean, I guess it would be 

835
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,240
closer to Alfheim Online where 
they're all like hanging out and

836
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,840
they all have their different 
like little races they are and 

837
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,720
everything. 
As opposed to like Iron Cried, 

838
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:10,000
which is like a a game where 
there's exactly swords that you 

839
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,680
can use and everyone's a human 
question. 

840
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,160
Hey, for yeah, the characters 
themselves inside of the world, 

841
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,040
did did that play anything into 
like the actual story of 

842
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,040
Princess Kaguya Like. 
Oh God, probably. 

843
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,720
I have to imagine there was a 
reason she was a rabbit, right? 

844
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,840
I am not. 
And there's like a we had like a

845
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,680
cat. 
We had like a we had no catan. 

846
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Well, yeah, so the the no, we 
had no Catan. 

847
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,280
Someone was a deer. 
Oh yeah, someone was a deer. 

848
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,760
The one that thought that the 
brother was hot and we just 

849
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:53,240
never got so Kagiya Otsusuki 
from Naruto has rabbit ears 

850
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:54,760
refacing her connection to the 
moon. 

851
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Moons are rabbit thing moons. 
Moon rabbit. 

852
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,120
That's Jeffy's folklore thing we
got. 

853
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,000
There. 
OK, Suki no Usagi. 

854
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,440
OK, that's neat. 
That's like a whole thing. 

855
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,560
There's a lot of great stuff 
like that on in this anime, a 

856
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,480
lot of like symbolism and like 
stuff that when if we watch it 

857
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,400
again, we'll like notice more. 
I'm quite sure. 

858
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,480
You know, they definitely did a 
good job with all of that. 

859
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,800
Like even, you know, just like 
they really kept the the 

860
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:33,360
structural parts of Coggia there
in a way, which is pretty cool. 

861
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,280
So, you know, and then maybe 
there's stuff with her brother, 

862
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,120
too. 
And like, their team because 

863
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,800
they all had like, sort of like 
an Oni feel to it. 

864
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Like I would be surprised if 
basically yeah, if like anything

865
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,240
was unintentional. 
I bet it was. 

866
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,920
It just feels like this is like 
a movie, that all of that was 

867
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,960
intentional. 
Yeah, they layered like a lot in

868
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,800
there for everything, which is 
good. 

869
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,960
I always I always have a fun 
time with that so. 

870
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,280
Before we get the final thoughts
though. 

871
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Yes. 
Hit me, is it neon justice time?

872
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,120
Let's do it. 
OK, I wrote this down. 

873
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,680
If you don't want to be spoiled 
on Neon Genesis, I would suggest

874
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,400
using the time stamps and just 
fast forwarding to our final 

875
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,360
thoughts. 
So Miles. 

876
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,680
Yes. 
OK, there is an object currently

877
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,000
on Earth that isn't supposed to 
be there. 

878
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,240
Was that sound that sound like 
Neon Genesis? 

879
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:37,680
A little bit. 
That sounds like the thing from 

880
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,240
1986. 
OK, well, what if? 

881
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,520
John Carpenter said. 
OK, So what if there was an 

882
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,600
event that happened that caused 
something in the past? 

883
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,080
So this is where I so this is 
where I'm going with it. 

884
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,400
OK, so the object on earth is it
wasn't supposed to be there in 

885
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,600
in Princess Kagia. 
It's Kagia and and Neon Genesis.

886
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,280
It's Lilith. 
OK, so Yachio's Lilith. 

887
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Sorry, not Yachio Kagio's 
Lilith. 

888
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,680
Then we had an event. 
Yacio is also. 

889
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,880
True, yes, but this, you know 
what I mean. 

890
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,200
OK, so 8000 years ago an event 
happened that caused that 

891
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,080
started the events of 
everything. 

892
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:22,760
The first impact OK, then a baby
is discovered in a telephone 

893
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,160
bowl glowing. 
Second impact, then. 

894
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:34,480
OK. 
OK, then we have a found family 

895
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,560
teaming up to defeat enemies 
coming from the sky, trying to 

896
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,840
retrieve the object that is not 
supposed to be on earth, The 

897
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,200
angels and whatever the things 
are, the mood people. 

898
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,360
And then we get and then we get 
a happy ending. 

899
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,080
It's it's Evangelion. 
I'm sorry. 

900
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,200
The last the last the last 
fight. 

901
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,560
The last bit of this entire 
movie is the end of Neon Jazz's 

902
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,760
even Gileon. 
I'm sorry, they're the same 

903
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,640
movie. 
Wait, you thought you thought 

904
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,280
Neon Jazz's even Gileon had a 
happy ending, did you? 

905
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Watch the rebuilds. 
That OK, that's different. 

906
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,040
Those are different. 
Those are different things. 

907
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,280
Are they? 
Yes, that's the point. 

908
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,520
Well, in the world of Otto, what
is what is what's what's what's 

909
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,880
Ava? 
It's rebuilds, right? 

910
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,760
It's yeah, I guess I don't know.
I mean, it's a reconstruction of

911
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,000
it, right? 
Like, so that's fair. 

912
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,440
You can say this is like the 
rebuilds. 

913
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,880
I'm happy with it. 
So the whole time I was thinking

914
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,000
I was like Kagya is just Lilith 
and the angels are coming to 

915
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,080
retrieve Lilith and remove the 
spear of loginess which is E 

916
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,200
Roja because E Roja is the 
person that is keeping Kagya on 

917
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,080
earth. 
I'm just saying man. 

918
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,040
It's the same way that they took
the story of the Bamboo Cutter 

919
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,240
and turned it into this. 
They took the story of the 

920
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,920
Justice Eva Gillian and made the
last arc of the movie. 

921
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,400
And I'm I'm going to die on that
hill. 

922
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,840
I'm 100% dying on the hill. 
I'll visit buddy. 

923
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,520
I'll visit your great, OK. 
Final thoughts, Miles, run it. 

924
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,120
What's your final thoughts on 
this movie? 

925
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,000
What'd you give it? 
Would you? 

926
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,800
Would you watch it again? 
Did you watch it subbed or 

927
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,360
dubbed? 
Will you venom me 20 bucks? 

928
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,760
Yeah. 
So First off, Venmo's on the 

929
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,320
way. 
Second off, I watched, I watched

930
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,520
this dubbed because I was a 
quasi last minute fill in sort 

931
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,360
of for this and I downloaded it 
on Netflix because I was on 

932
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,440
vacation this weekend and that's
what downloaded. 

933
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,920
So I didn't have much choice in 
the matter. 

934
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,000
Literally all I could watch it 
on was dub because. 

935
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,600
Because I downloaded that 
download show Love through a 

936
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,000
prism or whatever for my trip. 
I should probably check the 

937
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,360
downloaded dub their sub. 
You probably should though, the 

938
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,880
dub sounded pretty good when I 
listened to it. 

939
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,000
They're British people right? 
So you just get like quasi 

940
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,080
British accents or whatever. 
Boy mate. 

941
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,160
But I know this was a lot of 
fun. 

942
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,720
I really loved the chemistry 
between Eeroha and Kagia. 

943
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:19,680
I think that they sort of just 
made it a little too jam packed,

944
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,000
but worse things have happened 
and it was entertaining, which 

945
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,800
is like the main thing. 
Hell yeah. 

946
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,280
I know I'm going to have a lot 
of good conversations with this 

947
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,760
after the fact. 
So it'll be interesting to see, 

948
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,320
you know, where I made mistakes 
in my analysis or if anything 

949
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,040
changes my mind on anything or 
whatever, if I was more or less 

950
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,560
accurate because there's a lot 
of stuff here. 

951
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,920
There's obviously a lot of love 
and care put into this. 

952
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,640
I just sort of wish that they'd 
either like edited it down a 

953
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,640
little bit to just sort of focus
on Euro Ha and Kagia, or they 

954
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,400
had expanded it and we got like 
the like a season of this. 

955
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,720
And so we could have like delved
into Euro Ha more like her back 

956
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,640
story and how she changed and 
all of that. 

957
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,640
I also think the ending was a 
bit shaky, but I don't think I'm

958
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,560
alone on that one so. 
But I also think it's like, 

959
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,080
fine, I gave it an 8, I had a 
good time, I would watch it 

960
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,240
again. 
Hell yeah. 

961
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,400
So I guess it's a couple of my 
thoughts. 

962
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,720
The fact that this doesn't have 
the comedy tag is crazy. 

963
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,240
I thought this was a hilarious 
film. 

964
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,680
Like genuinely a very funny 
movie. 

965
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,200
Like visually and dialogue wise,
I had a great time, like 

966
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,160
watching along and laughing 
along with this. 

967
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,160
You mentioned the the chemistry 
at first I wasn't I was 

968
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,960
wondering if it would get better
and it got way better. 

969
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,560
So definitely, definitely like 
the chemistry with that eye 

970
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:58,760
candy visually stunning movie 1 
of just an absolute gorgeous 

971
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,200
film. 
The the things that they do with

972
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,160
the color palettes with I feel 
like the Sukiyomi night areas 

973
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,400
made me feel like I was watching
like and they were like in 

974
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,040
Spirited Away and they're like 
walking up to the bath house at 

975
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,960
night and stuff like that. 
Like it it gave me. 

976
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,160
That's like a great, yeah, like 
a neo Tokyo spirited away, 

977
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,960
right? 
Like, yeah, that's a great, a 

978
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,440
good job. 
That's exactly the vibe. 

979
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,760
Thank you. 
Appreciate it. 

980
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,400
That's the first time you ever 
said that to me. 

981
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,040
But then in the contrast, no. 
But like in the contrast they, 

982
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,960
they sort of like go against 
that when they're in real life. 

983
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,640
There are instances where they 
like the the festival and 

984
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,360
they're like outside, but I feel
like they do a great job at this

985
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,440
contrast of like the pancakes, 
the pancakes showcasing like the

986
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,000
color palettes in two different 
ways. 

987
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,440
So big fan of that sound 
direction. 

988
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,280
Insane. 
It sounded amazing, incredible 

989
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,080
work. 
The music was really well done. 

990
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
It's one of those things where 
it's like even if I'm not 

991
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,000
familiar with the style of music
a lot or who's the big artist, 

992
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,480
it's cool that like I can still 
have fun and like jive to the 

993
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,440
songs, even if it's like not my 
thing. 

994
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,920
It's like, I don't know if you 
like go to like a a dance hall 

995
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,880
and even if you don't know the 
words or whatever, it's like as 

996
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,840
long as it's got like a beat in 
a rhythm, you can still dance to

997
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:15,720
it. 
And like that's kind of like 

998
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,440
what I felt with the music. 
I was like, even if it's not my 

999
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,560
thing, like it's still fun. 
Awesome that they included like 

1000
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,200
different groups into like the 
soundtrack. 

1001
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:32,080
So like I think there's a couple
of actual like B tubers that are

1002
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,040
in this. 
I know that Honeyworks did a 

1003
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,520
song with them, so they were 
collaborating with people that 

1004
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,480
are in like the Japanese music 
sphere that are part of this. 

1005
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,080
So that's really cool that they 
included them in it. 

1006
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,240
Entertainment factor. 
This was like a 2 1/2 hour movie

1007
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,600
and it felt like a breeze. 
It was really easy to watch. 

1008
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,400
I have blast watching with 
everybody. 

1009
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,760
We're doing more watch parties 
in our Discord so if you want to

1010
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,040
come watch some movies with us, 
how to do it like once a month 

1011
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,360
ish now it seems like so I'm 
going to keep trying to do that 

1012
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,120
whenever new movies become 
available but love interacting. 

1013
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,680
I think the biggest problem with
watching this movie though on 

1014
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,320
like a computer or for you like 
an iPad. 

1015
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,360
The level of this movie would be
elevated so much higher if I saw

1016
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,360
it on theaters. 
It reminded me of watching Pro 

1017
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,040
Mare that I saw Pro Mare in 
theaters and it was like one of 

1018
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,800
the best movie going experiences
I've ever had in anything. 

1019
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,040
It was a blast. 
It reminded me of like an anime 

1020
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,440
Mad Max. 
That's how much of A like really

1021
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,320
experience I had at the movie 
theaters with it. 

1022
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,160
But then when I watched it on my
iPad, like it wasn't the same. 

1023
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:35,880
And so I feel like that's what 
this is. 

1024
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,440
So I'm giving it an 8. 
But I do feel like if I watch 

1025
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,120
this at like a like a IMAX, this
could be like a like a nine. 

1026
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,400
Like I, I really do feel like 
we're missing a level of visual 

1027
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,160
and sound design and levels of 
like that without experiencing 

1028
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,840
it. 
So I'm going to give it that 

1029
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,560
caveat that I do think that if I
saw this 50 years, it would be a

1030
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:56,600
higher score. 
But I loved it. 

1031
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,640
This was a fantastic and fun 
film. 

1032
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,240
Just a absolute blast to watch. 
I would 100% watch this again. 

1033
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,040
I'd be really intrigued to watch
the dub. 

1034
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,160
But yeah, still 2 eights from 
us. 

1035
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,800
We really, really liked it. 
And I'm sure people who really 

1036
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,120
enjoyed this type of music are 
probably going to rate way 

1037
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,680
higher as at 8.5 on Mal though. 
It's awesome to see the 

1038
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,560
reception of though. 
Maz, you have any parting 

1039
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,120
thoughts? 
Oh, of note, the songs are 

1040
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,240
dubbed too. 
That could totally affect my. 

1041
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,520
Perception of the songs? 
I just assumed they did. 

1042
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,480
They've never dubbed. 
The song, yeah, I just, I forgot

1043
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,120
to mention that. 
And Netflix does. 

1044
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,560
Wow, they generally do. 
Had no idea. 

1045
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,880
Like with Rosa Versailles and 
everything. 

1046
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,400
All they did is that was the 
best part of the movie. 

1047
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,240
And yeah. 
Check out our. 

1048
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,920
Recent movie Versailles, Where's
my Girl? 

1049
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:54,320
There she is. 
And so that could definitely 

1050
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,160
have affected it. 
Again, unfortunately I just 

1051
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,360
didn't have an option because I 
had to watch this in a car so. 

1052
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,600
Understandable. 
Yeah, but it was so good 

1053
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,440
nonetheless. 
But yeah, and the dub, like the 

1054
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,960
speaking part of the dub was all
very good. 

1055
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,520
Like they did a good job of 
interpreting all of that so. 

1056
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,480
Right on. 
Well, I wonder what the next 

1057
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,520
movie we're going to get is so 
we can keep doing these types of

1058
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,600
episodes. 
So Miles, thank you for joining.

1059
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,200
I mean, that's August now, so. 
They'll call. 

1060
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,920
They moved it back again. 
Yeah, you got it was supposed to

1061
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,760
come out in February. 
It got delayed and then they 

1062
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,560
were like, oh, I wonder what 
month is going to be? 

1063
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,520
They're like August. 
It's like she. 

1064
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,120
I don't even know what the next.
I wonder what the next big like 

1065
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,640
movie would be. 
I hope we get chow one day, but 

1066
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:45,920
I don't think we're going to get
that. 

1067
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,280
So let us know what movies you 
want us to cover. 

1068
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:53,040
We will try our best. 
It's the last Mononoke movie, so

1069
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,160
that's the next one. 
Like I'm. 

1070
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,880
Excited about that? 
Hell yeah. 

1071
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,440
OK, well Miles, parting word to 
your adoring fan. 

1072
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,920
Mom. 
Mom, it is if you have made it 

1073
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,600
this far, you want support, 
honestly, shout out. 

1074
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,560
I don't know what happened. 
We hit an algorithm or 

1075
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,560
something, but lately, like non 
YouTube has been blowing up. 

1076
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,040
So if you're listening to our 
audio stuff, thank you. 

1077
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,040
If you want to see what we look 
like, we have visual content on 

1078
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,040
Spotify and YouTube, so check us
out there. 

1079
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,600
I mean otherwise I want to say 
thanks to everybody out there. 

1080
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,840
If you want to support us, I 
know dude, we're stunning like 

1081
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,920
comment, subscribe, leave a 
review, whatever platform you're

1082
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,200
watching or listening to us on 
go to have some stuff next week.

1083
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,400
I will be going to, I'm leaving 
for Japan and actually when this

1084
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:40,800
episode drops, when this episode
drops, I will be in Japan. 

1085
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:47,040
So OK, so then we'll have some 
breaks coming up, but I will be 

1086
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,080
in Japan. 
So we'll be missing a couple two

1087
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,840
weeks of content. 
But I will say thank you and 

1088
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,280
everybody, Miles, thank you for 
taking time out of your day and 

1089
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,240
we will see you next time. 
Bye, bye, bye bye. 

1090
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:57,800
Bye, bye, bye now.