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hopefully to a great discussion on today's episode.
The sadboys of the what you say. Anyway podcast will be
reviewing, the 2021 anime film, summer ghost.
Let's meet today's lost souls due to the themes and messaging
of the show. No joking intro state but we do
have a pretty large cast joining us tonight.
The regulars of j-johnny Pat and miles.
And making his bi-yearly appearance has, let's toss it
over the path to get into our discussion.
Yeah. Alright.
So we're talk about summer ghost today, which is a anime movie
that came out, I believe it. Technically in 2022 in the
summer, we didn't get it here in the States.
Now, was it even 25 or 20 21? It was even older than that.
Wow. Yeah, so we didn't even get,
this is the intro video. I usually don't have to listen
until you say my name because it's better to listen to the
jokes you know because usually make a joke but not for me,
that's my bad. But yes I was just going to do
the usual stuff that I do but I see you stole my thunder.
So this is a really we're off to a great start Pete.
Some are ghosts done in 2022. Yes, that was a joke.
I said, okay, thank you, done done, done by studio flat
Studio, which has done almost nothing, you know.
Like most of the stuff that it's done is relatively new very
unique art style. I'd say compared to other shows,
as well may not unique but Distinct based on the other
projects just done. But yeah, it's a movie that's
only 39 minutes long. So I guess technically it's a
well, no, it's labeled in a movie.
It's not knowing a or an OVA. So very basic synopsis would be
Supernatural, themes about life, depression, and anything else
that coming of age, maybe a little bit as well.
Yeah, let's get into our initial thoughts.
I guess it's hard to do. Yeah.
Thoughts on your on the first? 45 seconds of the movie Mi,
would you think? Yeah, so I don't know.
I'll just get my thoughts on the movie but like, briefly without
getting too in-depth. Right away, do it?
Yeah, I enjoyed it. It was a fun movie.
I knew I'd probably like, it based off of like, it's five,
you know. I mean, like, it looks like,
like all the PV art is just sort of like art that like my study
music mixes have on it or whatever it's a little Well, you
know, so I sort of like the atmosphere of it.
I like the whole vibe of it. I was curious how 40 minutes
would do. I don't know what everyone's
take on. This is like, I don't think it
was bad. I enjoyed the movie.
I definitely think it could have used some more time.
I don't think it needed to be like a to core anime or
anything, but like maybe a normal length movie could have
done it, some more justice. But overall, I would recommend
it especially since like I mean, it's really easy to watch you.
Do you mean? It's not like a commitment,
really at all, I don't know if anyone else listen to the tub,
but it was really good. So, yeah, I agree with the the
posters, like, I would put that in my wall, you know, like very
easily. It's very pretty, very fly
light. Like, if it plays with like
light and how it reflects off of the environment a lot.
They all right, Kat. What about you?
Overall, I feel like the movie did like really well in my
opinion, I liked it pretty well. I'm a mirror miles a little bit.
It does feel a little bit. I feel like it could have done a
lot better with a lot more time or maybe even like, you know, 20
minutes just to kind of give it a little more, a little bit more
depth. But for what it is I think it's
a I think it's a pretty good movie, I would recommend it.
Mainly due to the fact of the themes that it has behind it and
also the fact that, you know, you can do it around the same
point. Time is like regular YouTube
video or something like that. So yeah.
Yeah. It is literally only 39 minutes
and like, two minutes of it is we call it credits.
So very easy to pick up and watch in a night or over the
course of an entire afternoon if you're me because You're so bad
at time management. All right.
What is your character's name again?
Has Beatrice. I'd Beatrice was your what are
your opinions on? Beatrice the golden witch who
has lived for over 1,000 years? Wow, yeah, it's like Chris big
honorifics. I don't know how valid they are
here, but I wanted to this not super informed, I definitely
voted it because it was a movie, but I will say that At overall,
with the week I've been having hit a little harder and then I
think it would have. Otherwise, I will say beautiful.
I love the art, but a lot of those shots were just amazing
and it felt like they were flexing on me.
Like, I felt offended like, well, I'd like, damn, you're so
you're good at this? I get it.
I would highly recommend this. It's easily digestible, and
while I do agree, some time could have helped Wasn't much
pre discussion obviously because it was a shorter film but we did
discuss like maybe there was a character to that suffered due
to you know link there or other characters existing and sort of
splitting but otherwise I would say it's it's really good highly
recommend although if you're having a tough week be a little
careful because it by the end of it I think you know it's not too
bad but going through it I was a little like fucked and film me
some. Yeah.
You know, it's it was I cheered
up a little bit the end. Yeah, I think like, I was a
little emotionally involved as well.
So and I had a pretty okay week, you know, not not the worst week
ever. So I think it's very relatable
for a lot of people but yeah. Jay how about you think that
echoing the sentiments that the other three I've said, before
me, the one of the greatest strengths of this movie is also
one of its greatest weaknesses and that's the length of it at,
you know, an easy like 37 minutes.
Counting the credits or something like that.
It is super easy. Just knock this out.
However, because of the what they do manage to fit into the
that very tight timeline, it makes you want a little bit more
from it and it makes you kind of wish that they were able to go a
little bit more in depth with some of the characters for sure.
I think for my car to actually needs like ayane and tomoya like
we Get a pretty good view into their head space, but it's kind
of to the detriment of our other two like supporting characters,
Rio and Ali like Rio less. So than a lie in my opinion
though, the art style of this, I really enjoyed that it was like
kind of dull not in a bad way, like muted.
And that was to reflect like the themes of depression and all
that set, like, depression despite being in like a very
vibrant. World.
Because if you notice the character models are Woods,
dulled compared to the rest of the world which is very well
colored and stuff like that. Yeah.
And I like the character designs in general as well.
Like, even like hasta ever garden with our main character,
like it was good, I would recommend it.
But honestly, I'm going to have to read the novel that expands
upon the plot a little bit. We there's a but But yeah,
there's two novels actually there's a spin-off novel and one
that is like an adaptation that expands on it a little bit as
well as a manga. So I might check those out and
see if it helps a bit. But yeah, I definitely recommend
it just because of how easy it is to.
It's not a commitment. You know if this was like a
three hour long movie and I had the same complaints I wouldn't
be recommending it. Yeah I think the the way that
you say it's a strength and a weakness because like it it does
really well with the amount. Time.
It has so much so that you're like, damn, I wish I'd had more
time but then it's also like, oh but it's actually kind of
impressive how well they did with.
So little time again, at least for two of the characters
especially were in particular. I'd say two of the characters
because I don't think there's a bad like character in the show
real or in the movie at least that it gets at least some
attention is just a matter of how, like whether they get
enough is and I definitely agree that there could have been
serviced with more. But yeah Johnny what about you?
Going into this movie. I didn't really expect much
because like, I think like most of us would just saw that
somebody nominated. And it was a movie, so it's like
okay, why not? But, you know, it was a lot
better than I thought it would be.
I didn't really know what I was going to expect from about 40
minute movie. But you know, I thought the
animation looked very nice. The story was short but you
know, it was satisfying at the end of it.
It was very connected. I felt like, at the end of it,
like everything that was presented in the show was
resolved. And yeah, I think that like I'm
not going to Nothing much else because I think everything that
I want to say has been said by everyone else, but I would
definitely recommend this, especially given how short it
is. I think it's it has a message.
I think a lot of people these days these are like, listen to
and sort of like understand. So yeah, definitely recommend
you go right people about you. If First Impressions, I'm pretty
sure. I'm the only one to see this
movie but there's a movie called goodbye Don.
Gliese it's done by the person who did a place further than the
universe, which is sort of like a similar Vibe were three
friends. Go on this adventure.
Venture where there's more of like this underlying theme of
life in general. And that really resonated with
me was summer, ghost, I like right away from the bat.
I like the group dynamic. I enjoyed the animations.
The sound is really good. And I think I might be an in
like the minority in this one. I like, I think the length was
perfect. I think the themes and the
message that they were trying to send was all there in a
37-minute movie. I would definitely recommend
this. Like this movie to lot of people
but I do think it should have like a trigger warning about
like suicide. I thought this was pretty deep.
I I watch this movie at the gym and I was almost crying, got the
treadmill, some of this stuff hits and I do kind of wish that
someone shows had some of those warnings.
But yeah, I would definitely recommend this to somebody who's
looking for you. No sadboy hours or something
like that looks. I think this resonates lot of
people That's interesting because I to me that this movie
made me like, happy almost like I like sad, like it, because
it's a heavy topic, but it's like hat.
Like yeah, it? Yes.
I like it to me. It's the correct outlook on
life, which, of course, a subjective thing but that's why
it's happy to be. Um, I really liked the message
of this this movie. I think that it was it gave us
three to four different perspectives, maybe two.
Them were Half Baked but really for perspectives on life and why
it's harder and the struggles. You go through sometimes and
like, how, how difficult any of the adversity can seem
sometimes. And I really liked that, it
wasn't he didn't shy away from that topic by the end of the
movie either. So, I definitely agree trigger
warning, would've been good for people with anything they'd like
some Side or depression, anything along those lines.
I agree. Definitely, definitely a trigger
warning for anyone like that, but I would definitely recommend
it again because like 40 minutes you'll get it back you know so
what so yeah. I guess that that covers our
spoiler-free section. So yeah, go watch the movie
really easy. Let's talk about it now.
So does anyone have an opening discussion point that they like
to start us off with? Sure.
Um, I actually wanted to talk about the, the actual themes
that the director was trying to go with.
So the director's name is lounge raw.
He's he's done a few things like he was part of the team that
created. I want to eat your pancreas and
a few other a few other, well-known anime, but during his
announcement of making this Movie.
Well, the short film, he said that he was going.
He was the reason why he's making the movie was to make a
an expression of himself, which which I think is his expression
was just trying to like push out a lot more of a A visual aspect
of what he was going through and how he felt about life.
And I feel like that you like that might have resonated with
everybody here. Yeah, well, I think he's, if you
say, if that's what he said, then he was very similar to
turmoil, right, where he's an artist who is, you know, praised
constantly for how good he is at certain things but can't seem to
Find the motivation or find the drive to do it.
I think that that's definitely a realistic issue that that lots
of artists and lots of people run into with what their jobs
and I mean for me I I do pretty well but then I sometimes I just
don't want to open my emails. Yeah.
Like I do I just do. I don't I lock it all out.
I've got 20 unread emails Sue Eddie, I don't want to worry
about it, you know, like it happens.
It happens in different ways and comes in waves for people
certain people are Really just more affected by it, caught more
constantly, or at different points in their life.
I think that this is I think they chose the right time.
Like they chose three young adults or adolescents.
I think that this is the right, the right group of age of people
to choose to follow this kind of a story, just because it is a
time where most people go under so much.
Stress of what are they going to do with their life?
What are they, what are they? What expectations that I have on
them? Like the Always nagging hoping
down on them. This there's a lot to it.
That I think that I did really well, but also coming out like
directly after covid. So that actually, that actually
makes it even more of a perfect time just to kind of just to
kind of push forward. Yeah.
What about you pee? Yeah, I think the themes that he
was going for our something. I think we see a lot in like
anime with the parental expectations and bullying seem
to be like the to, I least main focal points of anime when I see
when its surrounding like the concept of like suicide and I or
just stick depression or like, you know, deeper darker thoughts
and I thought that How he portrayed it.
I think a lot of people could kind of grasp onto a character,
whether it's turmoil with parental expectations, oil with
Her bullying but also like Ryu with like coming to terms with
death I think is I mean I can personally relate to that, where
it's to me like those themes of those three people were just so
well done. If that was the message that he
was trying to portray. I think he nailed it.
I think it was just so well done.
I loved it. Yeah, and I agree as well.
I think a lot of the themes. I mean, just as, you know,
specific as they may seem, because I think sometimes when
it comes to things like this, a lot of people get bogged down in
the details, like tomoya probably being an artist.
Some people feel like I'm not creating anything and therefore,
I cannot relate to the things that he's going through.
But I think, you know, we all I don't want to get too fucking
deep here but like, we all go through like we all have things
that we, you know, cherish and that people May not necessarily
find worth of our time and judges foreign and it's
definitely one of those things that I think should be explored
more in anime. I think the only issue I have
with some of the themes. Maybe not necessarily tomoya and
the main to, but I felt like the bullying was a little
underexplored and I don't know how we all feel about that.
I felt like it kind of came up at the very end and I didn't
particularly like the the scene that was used.
Show how she handled it. I thought it was a little.
I don't know. My school experience was a
little different than that in terms of what bullying is
especially for something that came out in 2022 or 2021.
I thought that was a handle. I don't know what anyone else
is. Thoughts are high bounce on our
real quick. For sure there's one specific
scene where I thought that they handled the bullying really well
because we see our we sort of like move off the ledge and her
bull yours looks like. Run over and grab her like don't
kill yourself, but then after she, like goes to the nurse's
office, there's like a line that says, like maybe she deserves,
like, what we're doing to her and I thought that was such a
unique thing about bullying. That's not really often explored
in anime or Manga or a lot of times like the bullying is to be
representative of like just evil and they're bullying to add like
a fact. I like this sort of like
psychological games that these bullies are playing with each
other. Like you know what, maybe we're
doing a good thing for her. Her.
And I thought that's a very underutilized thing in bullying,
because I have seen that before in real life were, it's not just
bullying, but I'm not going to go into deeper things but like,
you know, like abuse or something like that, where,
like, they think that they're doing something right.
And I thought that that one little line to me, really hit me
hard. And that's what really stuck out
to me in the show are this movie.
Yeah, it would be fair. I did, you know for clarity
sake, I did watch it and finish like probably right before we
started. So some of it's a little out of
my mind. Also watch the dub and doubles
very good by the way, just small note, but yeah, I really did
like the handling of the themes and those details even though I
didn't see them in the bullying but I believe you in there there
but I definitely saw them with the other ones and I think
specifically real and coming to terms with death is just a An
interesting thing that I don't see done in anime a lot, a lot
of coming to terms with death ends in avoiding it.
And you know I think it's definitely a hard topic to
handle because coming to terms with the fact that we're all
going to die, one day is a lot and that, you know, it's just
such a such a fundamental thing that you have to cope with as a
person. But it was it was done really
well here and the way Ryu expresses himself and everyone
else does. It's like, I like that.
It's not even clear that he does come to terms with death either
like that. Yeah, you know, like, you know,
I always think that I agree with you, that's not shown a lot in
anime, but it's hard to it's hard to because it is really
hard to come down. So with that, I haven't, like, I
never, I probably never will write like it sucks.
And I think that I really don't think he did either.
I think he may be accepted that it was going to happen that he
had lived. But like, you know, he even said
like, oh before I died, my, I was actually, why did I even
live or what was the purpose of my life?
Like, that's, I don't Estill Co. That's almost coping, you know?
Right. Like an and I think that's
really really hard. Yeah, it's sad because I this is
serious reason to live Kopi. Oh yeah, come on.
That's kind of what I meant. But yeah.
I like it's scary. Like it's really like and I'm
glad that they, he didn't just survive.
Like you said like in most animals like oh I've come to
terms with my death. Well, you don't have to anymore
because you're alive. Yeah, that that happens like in
goddamn every other shown in out there feels like it.
So I really like that and I know Johnny has something to say but
just one last point to two real. I also to the the fully coming
to terms with death thing. I think the fact that That he
shows up in the end and it's still around as a summer ghost,
the new summer, ghost or whatever.
It also shows that not, you know, it's not fully.
He he clearly hasn't he still around.
He there is still something that is keeping him here and it was
you know, that little event and then you see him go and you know
that it's not the ending of it isn't clean, you know?
And they make sure to tell you that like it's not going to be a
clean acceptance. And there's going to be doubt
there, but it's about that first step.
But Johnny, I know you had something to say we kind of went
on, I think that way accepting your death like that's not like,
that's not something that's easy to do.
But I think it's like and he's like, I want to like relate this
to like the other characters specifically, what was the
girl's name? Again, was a great Ally Ally.
I don't know why I thought it was right but like Ali is like
it's not like I think that like for a lot of Of people, they're
scared of dying is because they they're still stuff that they
want to do in life, you know, just things that they look
forward to just because of the future that they want to do, you
know. It's like maybe it's going to a
specific country or like having kids and like having like having
a family and things like that, but it's like when you're in
that kind of mindset where it's like, you don't see any of that,
you don't see a future in life. Where so many people end up like
in that situation words like either like told my hours like
you feel like your life is meaningless or in the terminal
by kaui where it's like, you just want to end it and think a
lot of that comes from the fact that like and I speak from this
one, like personal experience, a lot of young people.
The only thing that matters to them is degrades every single
part of your life. That's all that happened.
Like as a child, everything that you do.
Is based off your grades, like you are giving up your given,
like, a grade like a slap of, like, a slap of steak like grade
A Plus like that is, your worth in society is off of your marks.
And so what happens is, there are so many people that I like,
I know personally. That's like, that's all that
they know or care about in life. They think that, like, it's who,
it's what defines, who they are, it was it, what allows Them to
like do this or that like as someone who is in like, possibly
the best university in my country, people will spend hours
upon hours every single day. Studying, it's amazing, you
know, for me like I feel like I'm personally very lucky that
like I'm in a position where even if I don't succeed in
school, I will still have a future, but I think a lot of
people don't feel that way, you know.
Like, for example, I told me I like he's probably been taught
his whole life that like, and I'm not saying this, I'm like a
storytelling point of view but more is of like my experiences
in life. Like, he feels like if he
doesn't succeed, he doesn't have a future, it's succeed and get
eggs on everything or its complete failure.
There is no in-between. You either get into the best
university and like, you know, get like a good job or you are,
or you were seen as like a failure.
That's why. So many of these people are
like, scared to do is like, I'm sorry, I'm going on but this is
personal To me because like people in my school, if this is
my first semester, we've already had people commit suicide
because of their marks. It is easy to carry.
Our school has a record of like people committing suicide and
these aren't like, I know it's like a lot of people have these
stereotypes of like, oh, like to kiss I'll kill themselves or
because like they're dumb or whatever, like no, these are
some of the smartest people, I would say in the world.
It's like computer science engineering.
These feels they have the highest suicide rates and they
take so long for you to get in, then you learn so much.
Yeah, you just I'm Marcus Marcus what the what they feel like
defines who they are and like, that is like it's a scary
thought. Honestly likes especially for
somebody in this in this field is like, I feel it.
Like, I feel like I have like gone like a lot better end of it
than other people, but it still affects me and I think that's
like a very scary part of our society.
Yeah. And in the show, they also
acknowledge to that the teacher like, shows him his grades, and
it's like straight A's, but then the mother literally, like, two
seasons later is like This isn't good enough, he's got better.
Yeah, I do better like you're doing okay here but do better
elsewhere. So I think that.
Yeah, it's a, it's definitely a very real thing that a lot of
people experience, but P. Go ahead.
I think, I think one of the, like, really good things that
this movie does, is like a matter of perspective, kind of
like a wood Johnny says, like if you aren't living through it,
then like Ryu is going through a much worse time than toe Moya
but us, he has that perspective. Then he'll like, never
experienced it. I thought that's like, This is
like really well done because I wanted to because I knew Giles
will bring out like a school because I think it's like a very
fun comparison. Where Johnny O?
Take this right? Which I so Johnny has like this,
like, you have it where like you have like, you your parents.
Want you to have good grades. You go to a really good school
and you have like that perspective on you, we're like
me growing up. Both of my parents are high
school dropouts, and just like the complete opposites like day
and night between me and Johnny and have me getting that
perspective through John Ani is kind of like, The story of like
me opening my eyes to like that world because to me, my
expectations were like, my parents didn't want me to
graduate high school and not smoke.
Cigarettes. Like that was my expectations.
Like it was so low compared to what John he's going through.
And I think, I think that what that, this this movie does, is
just like, people are going. People are fighting the demons.
Like everybody has his final. Round theme is whether it's the
severity of it is higher than someone else's but just
portraying that under the screen, just like resonated with
me. It's like, yes, like You'll
never know unless you like discover and talk and do stuff
and like their adventure of finding the body in the
suitcase, which we haven't even touched on yet, like, kind of
brought these perspectives of three people, and I just loved
it. As, let's say who's going to be
Ayanna in our group, then it's gonna be the person murdered.
It's not the boys. Oh yeah, York City.
Like one of us Northerners because I'm not a teenager.
I hate those kids. I would say no this because I
don't know, I just, I grew up with like, very, very
middle-class like we're like, we didn't have like, rich kids
really we didn't but like, I feel like the expectation.
I got smart kids, well, this Market but like, I guess maybe
it's like an egg kids can't be stopped.
No no. Okay.
It's like I feel like if you're rich, you have higher
expectations in school compared. To someone like me were, like,
my parents growing up were like dirt broke, and they had, like,
no expectations for me. And that's, that's, that's kind
of like what I'm thinking because like my school didn't
have like an elite or like a millionaire, I guess probably
have millionaire to said, no, or something like that, but laughs,
I don't, sorry. Not almost like really other
kids, just seem like we just had like the expectations of just
like go to school and graduate and maybe go to college like
Everything else was like everything after like high
school is just like a plus. I feel like, yeah.
I feel like for me is that like the schools that I went to
everyone, there is like busting their ass off, to get to UNI,
everything was like competitive. It's like you have to do this,
you have to do this, your mark out to be like a certain amount
for you to be able to do this. And that it seemed like it was
just a Instant hustle like and I knew like there were people who
you know like they drink didn't want to do stuff after high
school but like that was the minority like so many people
wanted to go. Like I think the average marks
at our school were always like in like the mid 80s or low 90s.
We're like averages on a report card which is like crazy Hive.
You consider like the averages like in the rest of the places,
we'll see. I was like that, like experience
of just like going to high school.
And living your life is kind of like completely unknown to me
because for me, it's like, I gotta do this, I gotta like
focus on Surviving and then getting to UNI before, like, you
know, like, you know, like just having a fun and being a kid and
stuff like that. So it's just like, completely
different experiences. I will say the people around me
were like all the same, but now I think about my one Asian
friend is a doctor so that probably doesn't like correlate.
So, I like I like to shoot you mentioned surviving because I
think that's probably the key of it.
I want to, you know, I had a mixed bag in my school.
So my school was I got into a charter school and if you know
anything about Charter Schools, there's a lottery and there are
better than public schools. However, it's a public school
population, essentially, so, you know, a lot of our expectation.
It was a it was a college prep school and however, I think Just
because of the culture in, you know, it being a minority and
being around, we had a surviving to us was not school.
Surviving to us, was how two people pay rent, you know, and I
think, even even at 16 kids were selling drugs to, you know, help
parents with rent and stuff it. And that's just an and that's
not to say they weren't doing their studies because they were
and all most of my friends went to college whether or not they
Opt out two years in or just, you know, I'm one of the few
that didn't so survival. I think is really what it's
about, you know. And I think to for some people
you know, to tell Mia to the I feel like the movies credit too.
Survive feels draining in the color of the world because it
feels more of a chore than anything else.
And regardless of whether it was in your school setting or in
Pete setting you know perhaps and in my setting whatever our
version of survival was in that we felt pressured to be in
probably you know stole away some of the flavor of Youth that
we thought we were going to get a lot of media portrays youth, a
little more extravagantly than I think it should consider in the
reality of the situation. And I think that, you know, the
when you're in school and when you're under expectations,
whether or not you're rich or poor, you know, every family's
different, my family is not, I don't know as I've hung around
you, I've learned that perhaps I am in the gutter a lot longer
than I thought, but it's all a matter of perspective.
You know what I mean? I didn't know that I was so down
until I met y'all and learned about your lives and like how up
it was. So, like being friends.
Ends with Miles. I was like what you had to what
during high school. He has.
Don't worry buddy. Yeah, it's like live bait miles
that I sent you like. Yeah.
It's kind of like if you went to college and then yeah, if you
didn't, you expect it to go to trade school.
And if you didn't do that, then you were kind of like, well,
then encouraged to do something else, at least, you know, like,
versus listening to you guys is it's very, very different.
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say it. Yeah.
I think it's a little bit with An economic, but I also just
think it's the, it's the parents to, though, to like, I feel
like, like, like, it's what they and like, what psets like, what
they what they lived and then what they expected.
So, like, for me, I have to college educated parents, so
they expected me to go to college.
Most likely, unless I went to trade school and, of course,
they were carrying. And I swear, if I wanted to do
trade school or want to do something else, they probably
would have supported me. Well, they would have supported
me, I should say. And but like not every parent is
like that, right? So it's definitely Case by case,
but the, I think, And like with everything money makes a lot of
a lot more options and makes it takes away the stress that would
build up elsewhere, where, you know, if we were a poor family,
then my parents might have been like, no, you have to go to
college because you need to break through into the next you
know, like the next year. I next time whenever and that's
why I say to like it's family-to-family.
I think also a lot of families at least in around me and
growing up and including mine. I think the Experience,
especially when you have parents who have went to college and my
parents are the first people to go to college in there in our
family. So you know, the economics of
college and paying for it and stuff like that.
And those X-Men the expectations are also like reality checks,
right? Because once you get there you
know when you're not as economically like up and then
your straddled with debt you know it changes a lot of
perspective to and I guess for me I Had I had a plan not that I
followed through, I ended up deciding to make music about
anime, but it got there, somewhere, and even now it's,
it's about even in pursuing my art.
I think, and I have to worry about, you know, Can I make
whatever my payment is by the end of the month?
And I think that I relate to told Mia in that sometimes, even
even the freedom to express yourself and be free of these
obligations. The light of the world, we live
in, has responsibilities, it's not free.
You know, and there's always going to be that and again, it's
all about perspective because because I grew up around, no one
who was rich. I don't feel like I'm Broke, you
know, I mean I feel pretty good but I'm sure if I grew up
somewhere else, we're more people around.
Me were financially stable. Like I feel that and you know,
it definitely is a draining thing.
It's it sucks. And it's I do like the idea, you
know. And I think to the movies
credit, the idea of that first step.
You know what I mean is always what's important?
A small First Step Enough. Yeah.
All right. Let's uh yeah.
We've got a little off course. So that's yeah.
But guys, but that's okay. It's overly.
I think it's a relatable thing though to the plot and make.
A lot of people who are listening, would also relate to
at least one of us, because it seems like we have a good
diverse group of people here. But yeah, Jake glad Yeah I just
kind of want to talk about like the plot of the movie a bit, I
thought that I thought it was done pretty well like the the
premise the setup of it like this group of friends going to
you know try out this like Supernatural Airfield that is
still up for some reason. I also like that it's like an
airstrip that they go to when such a big theme of like would
like the freedom that ayane offers them is like the ability
to fly and stuff. Like that.
I think that's cool. I don't really understand quite
why. That's where she haunts is the
thing I was thinking about to related at all to where she was
buried or what happened to her. So I guess maybe she was just
like, I like this place, I don't know.
But it's weird because like they offer the logic that he can't go
very far from his body. But the same logic doesn't
necessarily apply to her being close to her body because she's
mad. Yeah, but like I agree.
I go you're saying I don't know. It's not a super important
thing. It's just like a, huh?
Interesting. Well, you need a Runway to take
flight. You know, I was, I was gonna
say, like, it's a, it's also a trip to another plane or
something as well. Like there's no.
But actually taking flight like you said going elsewhere and
it's a I don't know, it's a large open space, you know they
I think that that's definitely what the the purpose was like
Like you said today. I like the plot in general
though. I think it was surprising that
he opened up a suitcase with a dead body in it and was like,
well thank God. I was like, are they about to
show us that? Like they don't ya.
I'm like because you don't need to you really don't know.
Like the post-credits scene was just that the suitcases empty
the whole time. You're like oh God thinking
would have like I thought Yes, would assume that a fucking
that the serial killer was, that's a threat, right?
That's it. Well, I'm sure left your fingers
there to me. I interpreted that as also kind
of weird but more because it's like you're giving the mother
hope that the daughter is still alive out there and is yeah,
saying oh, I'm alive. Don't worry about me when in
reality, you like the mother needs to move on and and like
me. To know that she needs to show
up cause like a letter or something that was like or I
don't know my to the police even.
Yes. Yes.
She called the cops to report a dead body.
His fingerprints are all over this.
Like, you know, this is sort of the part where I wish it had a
little more time. So that it could because, you
know, it did. It did though all of this
characterization stuff, which is the most important part of the
movie? So I don't I don't mind what
they had to cut but like I mean, they've really rushed the end of
this. I feel like they're really good
at what it's like in the necklace and just like cold,
like cold ringing, the doorbell was fucked and also like the
gate was closed and whatnot hap. I don't know, like, did they
just like go to the side Bush and watch or something like
that? And then leave Ur.
Did he like her? Find out whose property?
It was like, was the guy arrested?
Like I don't want to know like the person who owns that
junkyard, like, I've Watch Breaking Bad.
He knows when people do crimes over there, I'm so glad we moved
past the themes to the logistics of it.
No, no. Look at me.
Now, we know the themes are sad right into their process for
like how they narrowed it down for where it was at because
like, I thought they were going to be like a, we can if you
heard the train then, There's only like a train, only goes to
this area or something like that.
Like, there would have been a, I wish there was a little bit of
more mystery to it, I guess. But I'm just a sucker for that
sort of thing. Like, I like actually, like
solving the mystery and as for them, it just felt like she was
like, I can't find my body even though I've been looking for it
for literally three years now, suddenly having three more
people, even though you guys can't go that far from your body
will expand my field of view or something.
It's like I don't know. It felt very like they knew that
their that it was approaching 35 minutes and they need to wrap it
up because like the way they find, it is literally just a lie
going. I think I found it.
And it's like, oh yeah, because it's just a random fucking
suitcase. That's just floating there, by
the way, if everything, if they can see everything underground,
roots, rocks. Like, shouldn't they say
anything? And I don't know, it was buried.
Treasure Pete, in my basement like Like yeah, Granger
CinemaSins pettiness for the plot.
It doesn't take away from its super much for me personally but
it is one of those things where if you stopping anybody like,
huh, maybe it'll put of explain a few things a little bit better
if it had like 10 or 20 more minutes.
Yeah, I agree. I think that the movie does what
it's supposed to do. The best the best and it does
what it could do. Well, not great.
But like it doesn't it doesn't need to write.
Like it's stunning, I learned the themes.
A lot of it is spent not even on plot stuff.
Just on like conversation you know, between our characters and
learning about our characters and like that's what's
important. It honestly, it might have been
better if they didn't bother finding the body, I don't know.
Like I guess that gave him something to like do.
But what I thought was going to happen was that as he got to
know her and like kind of fall for her, he would gain a reason
to live, which would stop him from seeing her because he
pulled the gun powder killer because he wasn't like sad
anymore, you know, which is like I guess like another concern
that I And at the end, they could still see their friend.
But you could only see ghosts, or at least her specifically, if
you were like contemplating suicide.
So like, were they still contemplating suicide at the
end? Here's my thing.
Sorry to interrupt, but what is just not right about that.
What if she's just incorrect? Because she says, ghosts are all
alone in this world. It's all she had a ghost.
Since a to tell her about this, literally just her going off of
like what she's experienced in like The three years since she's
died. Like, how many people could she
have possibly talk to, you know, like, I don't know.
It feels like enough for it to be a folk Legend.
We probably have that much of a reason to believe she's lying,
but like also, she's not necessarily the most reliable.
Like, she's yeah, she's not like an expert on the matter
necessarily. I don't think I am.
I definitely, I think, for me at least personally, I took this to
the part where I was like this movie kind of goes along.
With the idea that there is it's not very clean and things.
I think like there are moments of weakness where like even in
the future, you're going to want to hurt, you know, like a given
the future of those thoughts will cross your mind and and
painful memories will come back and, and it'll, it'll cause you
to think those things. And that's kind of how I
interpreted that, especially because I feel like the moments
in which we see ghosts again after a lot of the main plots.
Finished our moments of weakness.
Like when he sees the dead body, she comes back, it's like yeah,
that's probably a real painful experience to me, Duke Complex
concept plates and things, especially considering, you felt
some sort of attachment to her and what she represented and
then your friend is gone and you're back at this airfield
like I'm sure the thought crossed your mind and it's not
that you're going to do it. But like it's there, you know,
and it's not and I always I interpreted is that?
But I don't know how y'all felt about it.
Yeah, II think that that's a really good interpretation of it
actually, because, you know, I don't know, it's like any other,
like, when it comes to trauma and stuff like that, like, it's
basically impossible to fully get rid of that sort of thing.
It is something that you learn how to deal with it and Rise
Above rather than trying to get rid of it entirely for most
people. If, if that's something that
works for that has worked out for you, I'm happy for you.
Has not personally worked out for me though.
I definitely think that like, the the The logistics of it,
don't for sure are. Yeah, if yeah.
But I think that's okay, right? It's something that's like based
in like a lot of myth and folklore and like, it doesn't
need to be one of the worst things you can do with
Supernatural stuff unless you like really got it down, is
explaining all of it. So at least, in my opinion, I
feel like it's nothing supposed to be kind of spooky.
Let it be kind of spooky, you know, so that everyone could be
a rocky. Let s go.
Yeah, I think so. I think we're all if we're all
set, then. Yeah, let's move on to our final
thoughts. Mi want to start us off?
Yeah, I really supposed to, sorry.
Yep. I enjoyed this movie, I
definitely related to the characters in like various ways.
I didn't talk during our sort of like group therapy session, but
like, the whole acceptance of death thing was like really hard
for me to point in my life. Like, I literally wouldn't leave
the House out of fear of like dying and I had to like go to
like a lot of therapy and stuff. So That was doing ft DJ.
I forgot about that plot point of King JK where he wouldn't
leave the house because he was so afraid of dying, go watch
her, Yuri, ah, nice episode for more of my sad backstory.
So but, you know, I thought it was relatable, I liked it.
I really love the vibe and the atmosphere of it and everything.
I do wish it had more time Jay and I sort of went off on like
things that are admittedly. That important for the movie but
I would have loved if they had like fleshed out because that's
the kind of person I am. I need answers and logic and
reason. So overall I think I'm going to
give this an 8 out of 10 but it's a very you know it's it's
enjoyable and it's good. I think it accomplishes what
it's trying to do well and that's what matters.
So that's a very good point. Like accomplishing what it was
trying to do. I think I definitely agree that
it does that Cat. What about you Um, I enjoyed the
movie. I actually talking about the
movie in like having therapy did help.
I didn't talk about it. I didn't talk to her in the
third session other mainly because I don't really have
anything to talk about right now, but yeah, the movie itself
was it was definitely touching. and looking into the directors,
like idea of what he wanted to go in, to help the little bit on
how I wanted on how like, and how he envisioned it was gave me
a gave me a little bit of a renewed like maybe a little bit
of faith in humanity, but Overall, I feel like this show,
really like if you really need something like some kind of
picked me up in my opinion and may not be the same for you,
maybe a little bit, little bit of a downer for you.
With that in mind, I would probably say it's a, it's a
strong 8, 8 out of 10. All right, has what about you?
Pardon me, of course, the the golden, which by the way, Um,
but no, I really enjoyed this movie.
I think regardless of, you know, as someone who suffers with the
depression it's diagnosed and you know, battles those demons
every day, I think proper representations of an
explorations of not only what that feels like, but answers,
that feel real and acceptable and not as Fantastical is.
If you just believe in your friends, it's all gonna be okay.
Like, you know, it's I very much do enjoy the, the messaging and
I felt like it was real enough to wear.
This is an important piece of media that I think a lot of
people should consume. It's very quick.
And I think it again the thing about perspectives and always
gaining New Perspectives on these types of topics or is
important. And I think, especially in the
media that I feel or in a medium that I feel at least from my
personal experience, doesn't handle the The battles of life
and what that feels like very well often and sometimes
trivialize has or tries to make things a little too black and
white. This is a very good film.
Also, it looks beautiful. They, again, they Flex their
budget and their skills. So I highly recommend, but I do
agree with a lot of the points of maybe a little more
exploration on certain things and perhaps a little longer run
time. I do agree that the message came
through though. So for that, strongly strongly.
Strong 8. Sensing a theme here.
All right. Jay.
What about you? So I thought the movie was
pretty good. I enjoyed most of the themes of
it, like I said before, I'm not going to go into huge detail
because I pretty much said my peace during the actual review,
but some of the characters could have been better developed
despite the short run time. I think it does do a pretty good
job with the characters that it does develop.
The plot has a few I guess. I would say contrivances that it
to fit the runtime more or less, you know, if you're the type of
person who doesn't mind that sort of thing, then that won't
be a knock for you. It's a little bit of a knock for
me, personally, I did enjoy that.
They kind of pulled the rug out from underneath us at the end
with Rio being the ghosts instead of ionic coming back or
something like that. It's so boring.
When the girl comes back at the end and an anime, and it
happens. So often I was literally going
to do the whole point for that, but they didn't do it.
So I'm happy about that. But overall, you know, I'm not
quite high on this as other people are.
I'm going to give this a 6 out of 10 6 out of 10.
All right, Johnny, what about you?
Yeah. So I think that like, for me, I
think that like we could all agree that like, I am like, The
closest in terms of like, like level to the main character.
It's, you know, like there's a lot of things that like, I
really love. Now, I did not get all A's, I as
they say a skill issue, so you know, it couldn't couldn't do
it. But, you know, you don't like
him. You know, I also did quite a bit
of Art in my childhood but you know, also skill issue.
So I'm doing this instead. But yeah, it's what it is, you
know, and I, you know about the plot I think it's like This is
gonna be a weird comparison. First was like, I'm going to
compare this to the second avatar movie.
You know, like the plot of both these shows of both these movies
if you think about it makes zero sense.
Like, I don't know if anyone saw the second avatar movie, The
Plot makes about as much sense as James cameras, spending you
like 13 years to make the second movie, it makes no sense but the
plot isn't the point. You never to it was to look at
the pretty pictures in this. It was to be sad.
So you know, And you know this, yeah, that's what it does.
And it's pretty much like a lot was like The plot was made to
present the directors like vision of what he wanted to tell
the world like his message. So I think that in that sense,
the plot doesn't need to be anything spectacular.
So like while I do agree with Jay that let you like the plot
is if you really think about it stupid.
But you know, it say that purpose.
I'm telling my mouth. Existence right now.
Johnny the correct message from the coast
This was the theming in the messaging and I thought they
portrayed it. Yeah, the plot was silly but I
think it was to portray a message and I think it did that.
I really enjoyed the animations in the music sound.
Everything like that was just, it was just really well done.
It reminded me a lot of you know, if anyone's seen shelter,
the Porter Robinson music video. Yeah.
Go off vibes from that and
goodbye Don. Gliese yeah, I really enjoyed
this movie, I'm gonna give it a 990, my grave.
Yeah. All right.
And yeah I agree with most of the positive things.
They've been said so far about the movie coming into this I was
kind of split between like an eight and a nine hour like right
after finishing, but I think everything criticism why is that
has been brought up as been like valid, you know, has been has
been pretty fair Yeah, could have been longer could have been
could have gone into more detail.
Like, that's why these characters are, how these guys
became friends, I guess the idea was they all took interest in
the folklore of the ghost or they all wanted to see a ghost
for various reasons. Whatever.
Could have been the reason I really liked the transition
scenes that this this movie did really, really good job.
It was very like shinkai a square, you know, like if they'd
show the texts on screen or they'd Like, people talk about
little earlier, like, the just minor conversations, that the
characters were having were used as transition scenes to them,
then being at another beautiful location or the next step of the
plot. So I thought that was really,
really well done for me. This movie is very solidly 1/8
and I look forward to what the studio director do going
forward. I think they There's a lot of
good I can be done by them but yeah.
So when we total that all up and average it out This is very
impressive by us. Good job, guys.
Who did it for the first time? We gotta know we now we've done
that. Before we've done, we've gotten
to an average score of seven point eight five seven.
So we'll round down to seven point eight five because that is
exactly what Mal has it as home on how you like that come.
Yeah. It's very pretty well.
Yeah. Thanks to you because otherwise
you would have been added like it probably like a 76 or So so
yeah, that that's very good by us.
I'm proud of us. We finally agree with Mal.
You just took us watching a really Niche movie that took
forever to come to the United States a whole year since it
came out in 2022. But yeah let's talk about were
nominated for 22 weeks from now is that wraps up our discussion
and summer ghost we will be nominating for Or yeah, I'm
doing it again. Aren't we doing it again?
What happened? Where am I smart, girl?
Like, I'm just washed. I'm like, fucking good old.
Hey, you said it, not me there. Yeah, no.
I am getting old, too. But, uh, you know, miles are my
much younger co-host. Can you?
Please take the call me. Ignore that.
Ignore the gray and the beer. Yeah, so I'm tallying up the
votes now and somewhere I missed a point but luckily it's
completely irrelevant where that point goes.
So I will see if it affects legacy points at some point.
But as for now it doesn't, it can't affect who wins.
Because even though there's a tie for first place, one of them
has legacy points and one of them doesn't so We got two shows
that are in second and like two shows that are in first, so
that's like how I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this.
So we got medaka box and link. Click coming in, second link,
click cain't, its seventh Legacy polish.
I just want to say like, it's getting up there like it's
becoming inevitable slowly. Press it doesn't get the
satisfaction of like liquid egg. Yes, yeah.
And he doesn't have the podcast and so for a tie for first, we
had listened the bluebird and higashi, no Eden.
But Liz for the in the blue bird has some legacy points.
We will be watching Liz and the bluebird.
So a nice easy movie for us going in to the next episode.
And unfortunately, we don't get to watch the got to know, Eden
know it. Mi technically, according to
Mal, it's a romance. Even go for it.
No more, but the manga day was, it was a good ride.
I like Riverdale. So, yeah.
There you go. The absolute dumpster fire.
As that show everyone. Votes for it again.
But you know. Okay, so let's keep moving
though. So we know Johnny is nominating.
Gosh, you know eating again miles.
What are you nominating? And by the way these are if you
can put two Together, these are going to be romance nominations
because this is for the February 13th, episode of the podcasts or
of Anime Club, so or at least that meeting of.
So what are we, what are we watching for potentially
nominating? So there are ya, God, I'm split
between two ones, I'd like to get some, some group advice.
I was thinking between the first season of Spice and Wolf and or
Bloom into you. Bloomin, oh, I want to watch by
some more because I find that bloom in to you already.
But bison wolf. Because the discussion we could
talk about taxes being on God. They come on, we we got it.
We got to talk about Holo don't you don't?
Don't you not like Spice and Wolf.
It's like manga, but maybe I like the enemy.
Who knows? Oh, why don't you just I
couldn't decide. We have a tie from the group, so
I'll just come on. Hey, Siri flip a coin.
Okay, I'll do Bloom into you heads, which is, I decided after
I flipped heads was boom into Spice and Wolf so you're going
to do spy some yeah. Now obviously, if you chose
Bloom into you go for it. Okay.
Cat. What about you?
So, the reason I did that, That's okay.
Yeah, there we go. Okay, here we go.
That works. Let's look at Wolf's.
Were you originally gonna do woman 2?
You know, I was gonna do spy, some wolf, which is why I told
him to Blooming, okay? That's that's actually pretty
funny than has, what about you? Yeah.
If you see the left and right of me Spider-Man and master chief
are going through it, they had a nice weekend with two other
members of the Discord and I'm not too.
One shot out Trent. Hi Trent at Genesis 9 a big
Smash Bros tournament and I thought you know what better way
to celebrate. You know such a big event than
playing bottom tier tamazaki with everyone.
And let's nominate that. What did you just say, Mom?
Domenico guys. Yeah, I guess I read you.
Mineko nominator in kids on the slope by the way, so we can get
this moving along. Yeah, there you go.
J at work. No worries.
It's on the slope. All right.
Johnny's nominee. He got with that.
You already said it Eden. Is it a?
Oh yeah, that's right. He's doing it again.
Okay, I thought he was and I was like, oh wait, did he say
something else? I do my brain doesn't work.
Pete. What about you about?
Keep the theme of movies going and nominate.
I It's my highest rated romance movie, I'm gonna dominate Josie.
The tiger and the fish. Oh, I was eyeing that to fuck.
That is actually another movie by the same director that we
just watched. Movies are so tempting.
Just constantly. It's yeah it's very easy to talk
about it. Yeah.
And yeah my first day of intermittent fasting.
So that's this dude man today. No way I'm going to do a show
that I think would be really fun to dissect.
It's probably one of my favorite romance has read life would be
really fun thing to talk about. I would be curious to see what
miles and without the OVA S4. Now it's one, it's one in like a
third core, it's like 16 episodes total, including the
govt aced so this was just one season for me, but it hasn't,
that's why I. Yeah, there's some OVA to the
end or whatever that kind of Of tight that kind of tie the story
together, but you get, it's also pretty complete without the OBS.
I disagree, I highly disagree. I watch it without them.
So I feel like, well, I think if you watch the that, you would
realize how important that they are to.
I have watched, I'll talk to him.
Okay. Oh well, you know well I mean
like I'm saying if we end it there I didn't feel dissatisfied
by the ending of real or diorite that.
I guess that's what my point was.
So like, any corresponding about it, if it wins.
Like if it one and we decided that would be too much, then
that's fine, but it really, I don't know.
I think it's probably up there and it's like 16 episodes that
instead of 13, like a normal series would be or 12 to 13.
So I didn't think it was that big of a deal but yeah.
Alright that wraps up watch Club so they should join us.
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