1 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,480 and pick me up. Hello ladies and gentlemen, 2 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,400 welcome to Anime Watch Club, a bi weekly group discussion and 3 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,760 review. We're the host of Wasting Enemy 4 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,920 podcast nominating vote on shows either we haven't seen or shows 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,200 that hopefully to a great discussion. 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,600 In today's episodes, the Bewa is clearly more superior than the 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,960 Shamisen monks of the Wasting Enemy podcast. 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,440 We'll be reviewing the 2022 anime Ek Monogatry. 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,000 Let's meet today's faction members. 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,480 First up, she thinks this is a prequel to NUO. 11 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:46,760 And you know what? Fuck it, why not? 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,240 We got Jolene. Jolene, how's it going? 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,760 It is 100% of prequel to INUO. Whenever those dolphins showed 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,000 up, I was like, Oh my God, it's the dolphin. 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,840 The whale. The whale, yeah. 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,280 Glad you are here, our first moderator tonight. 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,040 He is my main advisor to the What do you Say Anime faction. 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,680 As we begin our crusade against other anime podcasts. 19 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:10,480 We have Miles Mori. How's it going? 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Oh, it's going well. I just want to make it clear 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,480 that this is technically a prequel to almost any anime that 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,880 takes place in modern Japan, Or I'm going to say 12th century 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,240 forward Japan or future Japan or the world in some sense. 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,920 See. That's why you should vote for 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,280 Orb because it this is a prequel. 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,560 This is this is technically a prequel to ORB, yes. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,840 And Pat? Well, we've got about an hour of 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,480 time for you to vote for Orb two weeks ago, if you want to, if 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,840 you want, 'cause we will know what we're watching by the end 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,120 of this episode. But yes, we are. 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,600 We are here to talk about the Heikki story or Heikki 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,440 Monogaturi. It's an anime that aired in the 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,200 Winter 2022 season done by Science Saru, sourced from a 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,640 book, which I think is interesting genres of drama and 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,120 supernatural themes of historical and samurai. 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,039 This one pat week, which was meant to be a historical anime. 37 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,760 So I do appreciate this. This is going way back into the 38 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,080 history of Japan. You know, a lot of these shows 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,880 that we see are often based in like the Shokugawa Tokugawa 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,920 Shogun It I almost flipped those words around or something around 41 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:27,000 the, you know, the 15 to 1800s. So I appreciate that this is 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,880 even predating that. So I think it's pretty cool that 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,520 we watch this show. But yeah, let's get right into 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,840 our first impressions. Miles, what are your first 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,440 impressions on Hickey Monogatri and spoiler free first few 46 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,960 episodes and whether you'd recommend it or not? 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,400 Yeah, this is like my second ish time watching this. 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,960 I think I fell off of it the first time just because I don't 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,440 know, life is busy. But I really liked it. 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,200 So it was nice to finish this off. 51 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,680 I think it's like it's like a very good show. 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,680 The first impressions for it are this is definitely a show that 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,160 you like got to get ready to to sort of buckle down and watch. 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,280 This is not like a second screen show. 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,280 There are a lot of characters and they sort of just trust you 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,640 to figure it out. You know, I don't know if that's 57 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,800 because like the the primary audience in Japan knows all of 58 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,560 this stuff. I know this is like a very 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,800 taught period and like high school and all that sort of 60 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,480 history, But if you don't have that background, get ready to 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,440 learn it because there, you know, there's stuff to do. 62 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,840 But it's like a pretty interesting political drama 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:39,200 with, you know, pretty art, great music and sort of a 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,560 science Saru like babies first avant-garde style that I love so 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,080 much. So you know, I I would recommend 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,160 it. I think it's it's just a good 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,720 watch. It definitely has the science 68 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,440 SARU feel, there's no doubt about that. 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,600 But yeah, all right, Pete, what about you? 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,520 So I'm similar to Miles. I came into this. 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,520 This is my rewatch. The first time I watched it, I 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 also fell off, but I kind of I got back in and finished it but 73 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,160 before the season ended. But it was a show to me that you 74 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,880 definitely need to be in like in a mindset to watch it because 75 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,440 there's just so much happening. And I think something like this 76 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,680 setting that we have where you can discuss and talk with people 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,320 about the events is greatly beneficial because there's just 78 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,120 so many things happening in this story that if it wasn't for our 79 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,280 group, I think I'd be lost though for in terms of like 80 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,680 recommendations. It's like, I really like this 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,200 show, but I don't know if I would say I would probably not 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,280 recommend it more than I would recommend it. 83 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:42,480 So I'm gonna go with a not recommended just because it just 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,440 seems like this is a made for very specific people and that 85 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,480 person is not in the, you know, the zeitgeist, not watching the 86 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,360 mainstream stuff. They like the they like the the 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,520 indie hidden darling stuff. So I would recommend it if 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,320 you're into that type of stuff. But for like the mainstream 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,920 watcher, Nah, you can see this one. 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,000 I wholeheartedly agree actually with the like, it's good, but 91 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,960 it's not something you'd recommend to a lot of people. 92 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,440 I think that's a pretty, pretty fair perspective. 93 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,080 Jolene, what about you? Yeah. 94 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,800 So this is actually this is a recommend for me. 95 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,120 I think that while it is a bit more niche than maybe what a lot 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:29,080 of people in the West are into as far as like history and such, 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,400 I don't really see it as having that big of a barrier of entry 98 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,520 compared to like any kind of niche historical drama of which 99 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,040 I mean, there are many. You know what people will watch 100 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,640 like Bridgerton or something like that, or Downton Abbey and 101 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:52,320 keep up with 87 in the case of Downton Abbey, British people 102 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,400 who basically all look exactly the same. 103 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,160 So I don't really think most people like, I think that people 104 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,400 are smarter than we give them credit for. 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,040 And I trust them to see this as a piece, as a piece of art. 106 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,960 I mean, it is very well directed in my opinion. 107 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:17,080 It is directed by a Kyoto. I mean, it's by Science Aru, but 108 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,320 it's directed by a legend from Kyoto Animation as well. 109 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,160 I don't know her name off the top of my head, but she is very 110 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,120 well known and has done a lot of quality work. 111 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,200 I just, yeah, I don't really see, I understand where you guys 112 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,920 are coming from, I guess, but I don't really see like most 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,840 people like if I think if people are into like sort of artsy 114 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,680 stuff or historical fiction, they'll be fine with this sort 115 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,040 of thing. Like, and historical fiction is 116 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,320 like such a big thing nowadays. I think that the majority of 117 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,200 people who aren't just watching like, you know, the Super 118 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,640 mainstream stuff will be fine with it. 119 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,680 So recommend for me I think. Our people are smarter than the 120 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,680 most people. That's what I'm going to say 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,840 here because I think we as a podcast and. 122 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,920 As I'm dumb as folks. Have procured, I think we have 123 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,480 procured an audience of people that are like, Jolene said, like 124 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,720 a capable of handling the show, I think. 125 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,200 I have a Louisiana public school education. 126 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,800 Please let that sink in for a second. 127 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,800 You, you have an Internet education though, for the last 128 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,480 what, 10-15 years of your life. So I'd, I'd say that you know, 129 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,000 there there's. That doesn't help. 130 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,200 That doesn't help. Yeah, yeah. 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Jesus. OK. 132 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,120 You know that's a fairpoint. That you're right. 133 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,160 I know so much. I know so much about the 134 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,000 reptilians, you know, in the past 10 years. 135 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,080 But I think, I think, yeah, I would recommend this to our 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,160 general audience. But I do agree with Pete that I 137 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,240 would not recommend this to an anime general audience, I 138 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,680 suppose, or a Western anime general audience. 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,440 I think that that's where I'll define my my perspective. 140 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,960 I really enjoyed the music in this show. 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,080 Just to highlight something that no one else has brought up yet, 142 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,720 but I'm sure we'll talk about. The music is fantastic. 143 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,320 Like the Julian you mentioned, the direction or the directing. 144 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,280 I thought it was really cool how almost every single episode it 145 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,600 seemed like had a different episode director specifically 146 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,760 when I was looking through like the credits and the the staff 147 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,360 that supported. This is a really cool show and I 148 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:38,520 wouldn't say I loved it, but I enjoyed it quite a bit and found 149 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,200 it. I think like you said, Pete, 150 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,200 talking about it is going to be a lot of fun because I was, as 151 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,080 Miles said too, to tie it all back together. 152 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,120 I was very lost with some of these names with just being 153 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,520 expected to know things and that made it difficult at times. 154 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,560 But it was also fun to uncover. So it didn't bother me as much 155 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,440 as it might with like other shows where I get name blindness 156 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,040 and discouraged. But yeah, so I think that that's 157 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,200 2 1/2 to 3 recommends so far, or whatever we ended up at. 158 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,600 I don't know, it's hard to keep track of when we're never. 159 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,000 We're so wishy washy. But yeah, let's get in the 160 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,840 spoilers for Heikki Monogatri, which there are some pretty 161 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,920 heavy spoilers, so keep that in mind. 162 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,880 But Miles, do you want to give a quick plot synopsis? 163 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Maybe whatever happens to the 1st 5 minutes and we can go from 164 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,800 there. 1st 5 minutes OK we we see a girl who plays the B wah 165 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:36,200 get her father gets killed and then the the Lord of the people 166 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,680 who killed her father adopt her and that's the first 5 minutes 167 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,960 of the show. Her name is Biwa. 168 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:49,040 She plays Biwa and then credits roll and no. 169 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:55,800 So Heki Monogatery of course follows the medieval Japanese 170 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:03,880 epic The Heki Monogatery which is a tale of the Genpi wars 171 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:11,160 which were between the Genji and Tyra clan. 172 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:15,400 We mostly follow the Tyra clan who are also known as the Heki 173 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,760 because Japanese is a fun language where they are spelt 174 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,440 very similarly. But if you add another character 175 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,160 it changes the pronunciation of Tyra to hey. 176 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:31,160 So when you make it the Tyra family it becomes the hey K. 177 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,560 So that's why that's happening for anyone who cares you. 178 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,560 See, Miles is the smart one. That's why we got. 179 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:44,080 Miles and Miles knows how to read that's and it spends time 180 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,080 doing it. That's, I'm not necessarily 181 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,760 smart, but you know, I read some about this to to try to be 182 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,720 informed. So Biwa is an original character 183 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,720 to this particular rendition of the Hickey story, and she sort 184 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,800 of acts as a narrator. She has the ability to see the 185 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,080 future, but not the ability to change it. 186 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 So people will ask her about important events that are going 187 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,640 to happen, like, Oh no, like my brother's going into battle, 188 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,200 what's going to happen? And then she sort of goes into 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:21,040 like, I don't know, some sort of like spirit mode or something 190 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,360 and like plays or bewa and like tells the story in a melodic way 191 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,480 of these big important historical events that have 192 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,560 happened. Because the Hegemonicotti is 193 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,640 largely inspired by history, though it is sort of historical 194 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,280 fiction in a lot of ways, because a lot of things were 195 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,480 changed for various reasons. And there's some supernatural 196 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 elements in it that actually aren't really touched upon in 197 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,600 this but are in the story proper. 198 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,800 Like one of the advisors is like a big old spider commie guy, 199 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,000 like something like that. Yeah. 200 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:01,440 So this is also the first, the last era, the Hey Wah era. 201 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,320 Hey, is that right? Hey wah, it's the Hey Yah era. 202 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,960 It was when Outkast released Hey Yah in 2004. 203 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,200 OK, no, it's not. Hey, while hey. 204 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,080 You mean the? Do you mean the hey inner? 205 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,560 Hey in. Yeah, Inon. 206 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:21,520 Hey on, hey on. That's it. 207 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,160 I'm gonna show. Which is which? 208 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,080 Means you know that if you were in jiu jitsu Kaisen. 209 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,280 So that's hey, like like hecky because it isn't that fun. 210 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,440 But after this, it goes from like the emperor who will still 211 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:40,560 exist, but like, to a Shogun being a a person in the Japanese 212 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:41,680 thing. So it's sort of the separation 213 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:45,800 between these two eras. And so yeah, that's where we 214 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,680 are. There's a lot to discuss. 215 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:59,000 Oh, he's got wife, a girl. But yeah, it's, it's my, my wife 216 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,120 is getting our son up the stairs and the way that we, we teach 217 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,800 him to. And this could backfire later in 218 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,160 our lives, but alas, to do anything, it's like if he 219 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,520 doesn't want to do something, we make it a competition. 220 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,480 I love it because he likes to compete. 221 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,560 Oh boy, there we go. Now I've been explaining to him 222 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,840 that he needs to be able to accept losing because while 223 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,040 winning is the best feeling in the world, if you, if you can't 224 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,960 win, if there's no chance of losing, right? 225 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,760 So like, you have to accept those much like the Hecky fan. 226 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,960 You've got. Everything you do, in fact. 227 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:38,240 And I have So what I'm. Losing's like, except I do, but 228 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,760 yeah, you. Know well if we rerun like one 229 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,360 month we can not even. Yeah, we just didn't win it. 230 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,520 So I guess my my thing would be like to talk about because there 231 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,640 really is so much that goes on here. 232 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,760 We follow the children of Kiyomori, who is the head of the 233 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:06,680 Hickey family, who is a very influential warlord. 234 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:13,520 I guess he, the beginning of this helps imprison the current 235 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,880 emperor and make him like the retired emperor and then marries 236 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,800 his daughter off to the new emperor. 237 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,200 And then we follow for the beginning his oldest son at the 238 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,320 time, Shigahira, who sort of adopts Bwa. 239 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,080 He so Bwa is with his like three children. 240 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,840 I think so anyways, what do we think about like this initial 241 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,960 setup and everything? How'd we do with it? 242 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Did we find it interesting? We'll start with that and then 243 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,680 we'll we'll go from there. Because this feels like 244 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,600 something we need to take a little more methodically. 245 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,680 Because normally we, we'd be a little chaotic with these 246 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,760 things, but they're really like a lot of stuff happens. 247 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,280 They cover like 10 years of history. 248 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,960 When they started setting things up it, it kind of got like a 249 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,160 little too fast, but I did like how it's set up until we got to 250 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,560 episode 3 when we just jump skipped an entire year and the 251 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,440 setup felt good until that point. 252 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,280 Because then it's sort of like I, I think Miles you mentioned 253 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,160 earlier, we kind of just expected to know some of the 254 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,560 things that are happening in between the scenes and we don't. 255 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,880 So then we go from like her being adopted to now being like 256 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,200 a focal point in like, member of this family, like way too fast. 257 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,640 And it's sort of like pulled me away from like, do they like be 258 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,400 what are they using her for her power? 259 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,040 Like, what is the point of her being in this family? 260 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,520 And I kind of got confused by like the dynamic of the family 261 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,880 along with the pacing of setting everything up. 262 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,400 So I don't know if anyone else felt that way. 263 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Yeah, I agree that the I think that this similar to when we 264 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,360 watched 100 meters, right, like the way it jumps between times 265 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,920 like you like you said it jumped forward a year in this case in 266 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,960 this specific moment and it does that a couple times throughout 267 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,000 the rest of the story made it very difficult to follow at 268 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,640 times because you are like she goes, yeah, she goes from being 269 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,520 this outcast and then her powers discovered by father. 270 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Again, this is where all the names of different things get 271 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,360 get difficult to identify, but the father, she can hear her 272 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,240 thank you. And it's we don't get to see and 273 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,400 we see like a little bit of character interactions, which I 274 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,480 really liked in this show. I thought that Beowah's 275 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,280 relationship with all the different brothers. 276 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Shigemorti. And uncles, perfect example of 277 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:46,200 where we are of with this. I think that they did a good job 278 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,920 of showing how she could become close to them. 279 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,960 But it does just jump right in and all of a sudden, like you 280 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,920 said, Peachy's gone from not being part of the family to to 281 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,080 what we don't really understand, like are they abusing her power? 282 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,560 Are they using it in any way? We don't get that necessarily 283 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,520 directly addressed until later on and we're expected to just 284 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,480 roll with it, which is a little frustrating. 285 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,440 I think the show personally, I I thought it got stronger as it 286 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,079 went on compared to how it started. 287 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,599 Not to change the point, but I'm curious what the others thought 288 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,079 as well about that that this specific jump that we're 289 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:21,640 referencing. Earlier I don't think they were 290 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,400 for really like one that the jumps are always a little 291 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,599 confusing to me because you just like have to figure out around 292 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,480 how much time is jumped based on like where people are. 293 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,960 But I don't think they were abusing B Wells power cuz she is 294 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:40,040 what might be the single most useless power of all time so 295 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,120 yeah. What foresight or whatever? 296 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,760 Well, in the inability like you can't ever change anything, 297 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,680 right? Like it is, it is predetermined. 298 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:54,840 So the, you know, like, OK, like, you know. 299 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,240 Well, I guess I well that I guess that's where do we define 300 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,880 this power then? Because like if you if and if 301 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,080 the meta game or the meta theory there is, oh, you can't change 302 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,800 the future because you knowing the future means that you're 303 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,160 whatever you're going to do is going to lead to that future, 304 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,640 but then also your inaction is going to lead to that. 305 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,760 Like like, you know, there's like layers to that. 306 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,080 And I guess that's where I'm it is a I'm annoyed like, yeah, 307 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,600 versus, I don't know, maybe this is an Eastern versus western 308 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,680 media thing. Like, you think about all those 309 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,840 movies where people, I'm thinking of the Nick Cage one 310 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,320 where he's able to like, see 20 seconds into the future or two 311 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,880 minutes into the future or something like that, and he uses 312 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 that to like, Dodge. Do you guys know what I'm 313 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,680 referencing here? I guess my point, I'm pretty 314 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,880 sure it's Nicolas Cage's. Well, maybe there's other movies 315 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,680 like it too, of course, but I'm pretty sure it's Nicolas Cage is 316 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,600 an next. Next. 317 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Yeah, yes. Thank you. 318 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,240 Gosh. I just literally typed Nicolas 319 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,080 Cage can see the future into. Thank you. 320 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:56,440 Thank you. Yeah. 321 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,160 But point being, like, I guess I, there are a lot of stories 322 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,240 like that, though the in the Western media where that future 323 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,680 site isn't seen as like a useless power. 324 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,080 It's quite the opposite. They use it to skirt rules, to 325 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,320 win cards or gambling debts, you know, dodge bullets, all this 326 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,760 stuff. And it's like, I, I wonder if 327 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,640 that's like a, a deeper thing in terms of how Western culture 328 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,360 views what a foresight would be versus like Destiny, like 329 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,000 Eastern culture does. I, I don't know. 330 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Go ahead, Joe. But like the the difference 331 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,680 between it is, is it's not like seeing a bullet flying at you 2 332 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,800 seconds into the future and being able to dodge it. 333 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,320 It's more so seeing yourself being shot and being unable to 334 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,280 do anything about it. Like, it seems like it's 335 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,720 strictly horrific downfalls that she sees she doesn't ever see. 336 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,880 Like, oh, we're going to get, we're going to go out for dinner 337 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:51,880 later. Nice. 338 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,920 Like, Mom's getting McDonald's on the way home. 339 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,560 No, she sees like, mom got in a fucking final destination. 340 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:04,560 It's like final destination, but she just dies instead. 341 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Yeah. Yeah, they do in Final 342 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,200 Destination too, right? Like the ending scene is always 343 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,800 like, oh, we didn't really break the cycle. 344 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,640 You know, like whoopsie daisies, you know, but I think part of it 345 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:27,120 is too is that so traditionally the story is like very Buddhist 346 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,080 like in its themes and stuff and sort of the, I don't know, like 347 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:44,440 the karmic toll that Kiyomodi racked up sort of made these 348 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,960 things inevitable. I think is the sort of thing now 349 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,520 in in this particular rendition of it, I guess there is some 350 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,760 wiggle room on if B Watt could change things, right, because 351 00:20:54,760 --> 00:21:01,360 she helps save the daughter Tokuko at the end. 352 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:07,080 But in real life, Tokuko was, was saved and her vision didn't 353 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,160 show her dying, but only being in the process of drowning, 354 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,400 which did happen. So, you know, I, I, I don't 355 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,880 know, I think it's like a little intentionally vague, but I, I 356 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,240 think, and this is a point that I wanted. 357 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,120 To. Yeah, that's this is this is 358 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:31,920 mostly just that So Raven, this is a point that I wanted to 359 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,960 make, which was like Bwah's role in this story mostly is like a 360 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,120 narrator. Like she has very little effect 361 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720 on anything plot relevant, like at all. 362 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,920 She is, which makes sense. She's not in the original story, 363 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,680 but like I feel like she's there to be like a contemporary 364 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,720 narrator, which is like a very interesting idea, right. 365 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,640 But so like her future visions, like allow us to get these like 366 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,800 narrations and passages and stuff from the hecky Monogatari, 367 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,120 like in a contemporary time frame as the people living it, I 368 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,880 guess, if that makes sense. Because like they end with the 369 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,000 first passage of the story. Like that's the belly thing I 370 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,240 believe that they do at the end. And so she's sort of like a 371 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,280 role, like trying to find an equivalent that people could 372 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,240 reach. I don't know. 373 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,320 But anyway, point being like, yeah, it's, it's a very unique 374 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,040 role and I, I liked it, but I could see it being bizarre to 375 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,160 like people not liking it 'cause it's just sort of, you could 376 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,320 kind of have this whole story without Bwa, who is sort of the 377 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,800 main character, which is a weird setup, right? 378 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,720 So I don't know. What did we think about Bwa's 379 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,200 general inclusion and all of that? 380 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:04,280 I liked her quite a bit as like a narrator who is both like 381 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,800 inside and outside of the narrative at the same time. 382 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,560 Like obviously she was there but in the context of her being a 383 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,200 narrator, she's like in the the the spirit realm where all 384 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,480 musicians that live in science sorrow films go after they die 385 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,760 apparently. Especially be Wow players. 386 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,720 I'm just saying I liked her quite a bit. 387 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,880 I think that like if she, if this was a book, I think people 388 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,080 would have less issues with it. Like having a character who's 389 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,120 just there to be like the narrator or whatever. 390 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,000 Like I think about like The Great Gatsby, something like 391 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,320 that, where like, you know, the main character of The Great 392 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,160 Gatsby, you're kind of like whatever, man. 393 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,600 Like you're literally just there. 394 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,960 So I can see this crash out. I think that she fulfills a 395 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,720 similar role to that, but with like a little bit more agency, 396 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,480 if that makes sense. Look, Nick Carraway get some 397 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,520 personality in like the last two chapters of the Quick Has to Be. 398 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,200 OK, all it took was the actual main character dying, yeah. 399 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,280 All it took was for someone to die and for him to realize no 400 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,000 one fucking cared that that man died. 401 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,520 And then he finally got a little. 402 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,840 My bad, you're going to ruin my 7th grade reading today. 403 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,920 Spoilers for when we do Bongo Stray Dog season 2. 404 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Shaking my head. To to. 405 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,360 Yeah, please. Not I, I do Uma. 406 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,520 Now I have to make it happen. Now I have to make it happen. 407 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:45,360 The to to continue on your point, Miles, I I agree that the 408 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,000 story could happen without her, but I think what BWA does a 409 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,520 really good job of is humanizing all the characters involved, 410 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,920 giving them color and time to show their personality, which I 411 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760 think is really important towards the end of the story 412 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760 when it all. And not to skip ahead, but it 413 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,320 all kind of comes together with the passing of the entire clan 414 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,680 and the and the family and or almost the entire clan. 415 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,520 And the whole point is the yeah, yeah, almost. 416 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,440 Yeah. But the whole point being it's 417 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480 they are family and it's, they are, you know, showing their 418 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,240 family and their lives and how they enriched each other's and 419 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,120 the people around them. Like, I think that was a big 420 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:28,680 point at the end. And BIWA allows that to happen, 421 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,000 at least for most of the story. I think Biwa is 100% necessary 422 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680 for the story because if she wasn't here I think the story 423 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,840 would be boring as fuck. I think it just just be a 424 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,680 documentary which is fine but like that's not why we're 425 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,720 watching it. I I think she does a great job 426 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,320 at being like a catalyst to sort of showcase both factions 427 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920 involved. And so I do think you could tell 428 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,440 the story without her, but I think for like an entertainment 429 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,440 value, she's absolutely necessary. 430 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,680 And I also kind of pictured her a little bit as like a revenge 431 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,640 story, like we're watching the fall of the faction that killed 432 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,080 her father and like she knows that she's not going to die. 433 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560 At least that's what I kind of felt like, but I kind of liked 434 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,560 it. It was kind of shifting. 435 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,440 I guess this is just like a personal like view lens, but I 436 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,240 kind of viewed it a little bit as B1, just watching the 437 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,800 downfall of this faction, and I kind of liked it in that 438 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,120 viewpoint as well. So I think she's necessary for 439 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,720 the story, for the entertainment value. 440 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,760 I think she like was very broken up about it though. 441 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,120 No, for sure, because she like, she like grew. 442 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,400 She's a part of their family still. 443 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,840 Yeah, I guess. It's more of like, you know, 444 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,840 she's she she watches her father die and then she goes to the 445 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,320 House of the leader of the faction that killed her father. 446 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,400 And so like, to me, I guess it was more like how it started 447 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,840 versus how it ended is different because I think like how it 448 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,960 started was like, I at least that's how I viewed it is she 449 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,920 was either going there to die or to like change something. 450 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,600 And I think she just happened to change something. 451 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,080 But I think like in the beginning, like watching the 452 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,280 downfall of this faction was kind of part of her character. 453 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,080 I think it changed later, but like while I was watching it I 454 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,120 kind of had that viewpoint and it made the show more fun. 455 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Yeah, I think it's interesting because the person, the very 456 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,640 specific person who the story wants it us to think deserves 457 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:34,480 the downfall is Kiyomori. And he gets fucking got 2/3 of 458 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:41,480 the way through and then and then his entire fucking family, 459 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,800 like after the fight, you know what I mean? 460 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,120 It's like, it's like the one guy who is like kind of a Dick got 461 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,120 got. And then everyone else who you 462 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,280 know, they're you know, they're part of like a war clan or 463 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,960 whatever. Like I'm sure they're not great 464 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,280 people or whatever, but like that are all, you know, they're 465 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320 not any worse than anyone on like the Genji or anything like 466 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,440 that's you know, but in all those people got fucking got 467 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,160 like they got themselves even in some ways, like. 468 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840 It's like, is that what this is like the the Genji family like 469 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,600 later on like destroyed themselves? 470 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Oh well, I'm in. I'm in this family. 471 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,600 Probably though, because the Genji family becomes the first 472 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,960 choke in it and like, they weren't the last one, so surely 473 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,280 something happened. Oh yeah, 'cause they're the 474 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:41,040 Genji family is the Yamamoto I think is their family name. 475 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,880 Oh well, there you go. OK, this is all making sense 476 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,360 because the guy name of the Genji family is go Shirakawa. 477 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,960 So Shirakawa go so like that area. 478 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,480 So this is supposed to be in the mountains of Japan and. 479 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,120 Well, they're in OK, so Shirakawa also just means White 480 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,880 River. OK. 481 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,080 Oh, they're like, located like, they're by like Hakone, aren't 482 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440 they? Yeah, I don't. 483 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,240 I mean it could be named after, but go also just means like 484 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,200 prefecture or city or something because everything now look, 485 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400 they could be related. I'm just saying it's not like 486 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,320 100% guarantee because like every third word in Japanese is 487 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,640 just the same word like phonetically and it's horrible 488 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,760 accusing. So yeah, but there's like a 489 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,480 yeah, there's a lot going on because like, the Genji aren't 490 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,920 like great people, I would say, because they they basically get 491 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,240 outplayed by Kiyomori. And not even like nefariously, 492 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,920 like Kiyomori was very ruthless, but like, he just did a much 493 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,680 better job of like, marrying his daughters to people and like 494 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,160 things like that. And he had like a seventh son. 495 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,960 We cut a lot of characters from this rendition from like the the 496 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,720 original thing or whatever we like cut like 8 children of 497 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:07,720 Kiyomoris from it. But like it it they want because 498 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,800 this is being written by the people who defeated Kiyomori. 499 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,120 It it views him as the ultimate sort of bad guy. 500 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,360 You know, there's like a little bit of that right? 501 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,240 Like it it displays him as have having been so sinful that his 502 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,080 fever could boil water like that didn't happen. 503 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,560 Like, you know, So, you know, that's some of the which I think 504 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440 is very interesting, but like the bias and stuff that goes in 505 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,760 here. And I think it's really neat to 506 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840 sort of look at this like through the lens of whoever was 507 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,360 writing this and also from like a modern lens and trying to 508 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,600 figure out what characters might have been different. 509 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,160 And I imagine this was relatively sympathetic. 510 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,080 What we watched to the Hecke is more modern thing. 511 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,800 And the fact that most of the characters besides Kiyo Mori 512 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,440 were very sympathetic, I think. Was anyone else like, I guess 513 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,720 Muni Mori wasn't very sympathetic. 514 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,720 He was a. They turned him into a soy Jack. 515 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,440 They literally turned him into a soy Jack. 516 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160 That's another thing I was reading about how and so he was 517 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,440 portrayed as sort of like cowardly and everything, but 518 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,600 that was because he didn't kill himself at the end. 519 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:23,120 And and like he apparently was at every single battle being a 520 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320 commander. And this show was like, Nah, 521 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,480 this guy just didn't do anything, which is sort of 522 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320 funny. You know, they really played him 523 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,000 as incompetent and like leading to the downfall or whatever, 524 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,040 which is interesting. Do you guys think that the Genji 525 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,720 were well fleshed out enough in this? 526 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040 Because I felt like I could have used more. 527 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,560 Oh, there's literally no there. It's not even really about them, 528 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,400 honestly. They're just there to be. 529 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320 Yeah. I mean, it's literally called 530 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,720 Hey Case Story. Yeah, no, I, I, yes. 531 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,800 But I, I guess I would like when Kiamori is like, I don't want a 532 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040 fucking gravestone. I don't care about having 533 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,200 anything. All I want is for you to get the 534 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,080 fucking head of that Genji motherfucker and put it where 535 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,920 I'm buried. Like, I would like to know a 536 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,680 little bit more as to why, you know what I mean? 537 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Because that goes hard as fuck. We mentioned we yeah, we 538 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960 mentioned like name blindness, but I also felt enemy blindness 539 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,280 too. Like so like what you're saying 540 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760 I yeah, it's a Hakey story. I want to know about the Hakeys, 541 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600 but like I would have liked to have understood to you like 542 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,240 'cause like there's the monks, they, they end up fighting like 543 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,440 multiple different factions, which is the nature of a warring 544 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,920 clan state and everything. And being the emperor, you're 545 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,000 going to have a lot of enemies, whatever or the, the heir to the 546 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,280 emperor or whatever. But like there's the monks, then 547 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,600 there's the, like you said, the Genjis and then there's the, the 548 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,080 people that ride on the bores. Are they Genjis, right? 549 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,560 Or they, like I, I don't know. It was very like, I would have 550 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,240 liked to have known a little more about what they were 551 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400 fighting for, but I guess again, we wouldn't be able to use the 552 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,880 vessel of you. Mean like the mercenaries that. 553 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,480 They hide there. Yeah. 554 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,120 The mercenaries. Yeah. 555 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. 556 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,720 I just remember they rode boars, which I thought was really 557 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,080 funny. Instead of riding horses, 558 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,160 they're riding little wild boars in the battle. 559 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,200 That's pretty cool. Which I guess I just showed that 560 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,480 they did do a little bit of, you know, characters or storytelling 561 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,320 through their actions and what they looked like and how they 562 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,680 they dressed. And everything really neat thing 563 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,600 with that group. If you notice in the show that 564 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,760 the music that they play for all of the characters are like 565 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920 traditional music, but when he's on screen is clan. 566 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040 It's like techno. It's it's. 567 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Yeah, they they had like beat breaks going for him completely. 568 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,000 Different to to like it's like to recognize that like he isn't 569 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,080 there like faction is so much out of the loop compared to 570 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,320 everybody else that it doesn't even get the music of everybody 571 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,760 else because they're so different. 572 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,360 I I thought that tip of the cap to that was such a great way to 573 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:06,680 just characterize a a group of people without telling us and 574 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,760 that little neat thing was just fantastic. 575 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,239 I love. I guess we can get into more 576 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,800 specifics than out of the personal, like arcs we had of 577 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,760 the different characters. Everyone, not everyone, but the 578 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,239 major characters sort of had arcs as one might expect from a 579 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,040 story. And, you know, things happened. 580 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,600 Yeah. And you know, there was 581 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,040 progression made. Who is your favorite out of the 582 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,600 the characters in like their personal journey? 583 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,159 My goat Shigamori. So kya. 584 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,960 Mori. So confident he had to fucking 585 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,880 die. She she was like see he needs to 586 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,239 be viewed as more crazy because he was like if the Hege clan is 587 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,280 going to fall, please just fucking kill me before that 588 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,720 happens. No, he was. 589 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,840 He was giving like he was doing the equivalent of giving Goku 590 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,360 his energy for the Spirit Bomb. Now how'd that work? 591 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,920 Well, he shouldn't. They shouldn't have fucked with 592 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:19,080 the warrior monks and burned down that pimple and 'cause I 593 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,200 think it does not like that sort of thing. 594 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:27,320 'Cause I think Gohan kills Sal but I don't know if the hanky 595 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,360 made it out OK. It's Yuval. 596 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,760 Was hiding her power level the entire time. 597 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,680 Crushed does. Anyone have an answer different 598 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,000 than Shigamori besides me? There are characters that like, 599 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,320 I like that. I wish we got like more of 600 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,480 'cause there's like hints of like something else. 601 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,160 On the Genji side, it was the the commander. 602 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,280 I couldn't tell if there were a guy or a girl 'cause it looked 603 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,080 like the character was wearing lipstick, but like, I didn't 604 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,240 know what like that that would have been cool to look at. 605 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,520 And then like those three girls that save Biwa, I think they're 606 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,760 'cause they were kind of meshed with the Genji commander too. 607 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,520 I think there was something there that I would have loved to 608 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,080 see explored. I think more than anything I 609 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,400 just, I'm kind of with Pat with like name blindness. 610 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920 Normally I can remember characters names like nothing. 611 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,280 And I don't remember anybody's name from this show. 612 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,120 And I don't, I guess it's like a me thing, but like I had a 613 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680 really hard time. Like, just like connecting to 614 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,600 anybody else that wasn't. B law. 615 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,400 So I I wouldn't say it's that, OK, You have Kiyomori Asumori 616 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,760 Muni Mori, Tomomori Kori Mori. Like that's how you're, it's 617 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,560 like, not names you're used to. Yeah. 618 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,840 And every name has the same. 2nd syllable like you can kind of 619 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560 like, I don't know, I guess for me, like I can always just like 620 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,040 remove the Mori and you know, you just have like tomo and and 621 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,160 muni and stuff like that. But like, I can't, I can't do 622 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,520 it. My brain doesn't work. 623 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,040 It doesn't let me like put face to picture or face the name type 624 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520 of thing. But it's like, it has to be 625 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,800 because of like the naming conventions and just my brain 626 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,360 now, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's an old 627 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,520 foreign naming convention that you know, but I think it makes 628 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440 sense to struggle with it a bit. OK, well. 629 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,400 I was just going to say to a line with Pete. 630 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,480 I also wish that there was more of Atsum Mori. 631 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:34,280 I wish we got to see more of him and I believe it was the other. 632 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,280 The flute playing of the brothers was also like. 633 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,160 I wish, I wish we got more of the two of them like. 634 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,040 Exploring Oh yeah, like our little hinted a romance there. 635 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,360 Yeah right. But like, yeah. 636 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,360 Which I guess again is like the point of the story, that it all 637 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,560 ends in pain. But like you know, again the 638 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,800 point. Yeah, the point of the story is 639 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,000 like, really hope your grandfather wasn't a piece of 640 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:03,440 shit or you all have to die. That's the thing. 641 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,240 I really like Korle Mori. I sort of liked his little thing 642 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,840 for when, you know, he, he likes dancing and like theater and 643 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,640 stuff, but he's sort of forced onto the front lines to be a 644 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,200 general 'cause he's, you know, the grandson of the leader and 645 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,680 he kind of steps up, but he's able to also be like, wow, this 646 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,440 fucking sucks. Like, I found that like, very 647 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,240 interesting. Where I, I sort of when I was 648 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,640 first watching this, didn't think he was going to be like a 649 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:38,360 competent general, but he was a very good general and like, but 650 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,680 how he like didn't become like some sort of like rah rah army 651 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,040 guy. He sort of maintained some of 652 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,120 himself, but also was changed by it. 653 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,280 I thought was pretty interesting. 654 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,840 You know, I guess I, I haven't seen like a lot of things like 655 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,840 that were like a man who isn't particularly masculine steps up 656 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880 and is like able to be like a good general until that one 657 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:12,920 battle that was he's like no one could be in those mountains. 658 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,560 Whoops, you know, But he he was definitely better than his 659 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,400 uncle. So who they, who the writers did 660 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,520 not like? Yeah. 661 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,360 And then I thought Tokoko was interesting as well. 662 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,160 I guess I would like to say where, you know, she's, you 663 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160 know, the daughter not of an emperor, but of someone who was 664 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,640 like, more powerful than the emperor at the peak of his 665 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,240 power. Then gets married to an emperor 666 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,240 and then is like the mother to an emperor. 667 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,680 And then he's like the last surviving member of this family 668 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:54,960 and becomes a Buddhist nun at the end, which was, I like that 669 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,640 whole thing too. It was like showing how, like 670 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,560 most of the power that women had was the ability to be like, I am 671 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,480 now chastity. And then like men would have to 672 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,120 be like, oh fuck, you're a nun now. 673 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:13,680 OK, I guess I have to back off. So I thought that was 674 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,040 interesting too, 'cause I believe she tells that story 675 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,440 about how Kiamori was going after someone who did not like 676 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,040 him and became a nun instead of. Sort of like becoming a 677 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,480 concubine or whatever earlier on. 678 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,320 I think there's a lot of interesting characters here, 679 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,760 which makes sense if it's based off of like such an epic. 680 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,800 But I do agree that we don't get like a ton of any of it. 681 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,040 We just sort of get the surface level stuff I imagine in the 682 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,960 story. What? 683 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,760 What purpose do we think? Like, do we, do we think that 684 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,320 this author just wanted to tell this story or, or why? 685 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,480 But I guess like, why include Bewa? 686 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,440 If like what, like what's the purpose? 687 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,800 I guess like what, what are we doing here? 688 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280 You know, like not actually, but like, you know what I mean? 689 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,000 Like, I guess I'm just trying to like think, I'm trying to 690 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,560 articulate my, my, my question better, but it's more just like, 691 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,200 why this story? Why do we think this story? 692 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,720 It was told like again, I maybe what I referenced earlier about 693 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:18,160 like showing a family and like a dynamic there. 694 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,960 But like, why do you why do you guys think that this story was 695 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,200 chosen and told? That's a great question. 696 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,480 Yeah, it's a deep one. Well, OK, I got to look at the 697 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,800 timelines because sometimes studio, OK, this does map out 698 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,960 correctly because we brought up Inuo. 699 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:48,440 A lot of times studios will do shows to like set up, like to 700 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,160 get practice or another project in the future. 701 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,320 So I don't know if this is, I mean, the fact that sign Saru 702 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:01,000 did this into NUO, I'm guessing there's some correlation like 703 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,440 the maybe they knew they were going to work on NUO so they 704 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,840 picked up a story like this, like get some practice in or 705 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,840 something like that. That's that's kind of like what 706 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,520 I think it is. I'm just guessing, but that's 707 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,280 just what it seems like. Yeah. 708 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,920 I think, I guess like in my head what it would be is like, you 709 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:27,400 know, if we equate this to, you know, some sort of medieval 710 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,280 period story or like epic that is told or like, you know, like 711 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,520 Beowulf or, you know, something that's more fantastical than 712 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,160 this. But like, you know, King Arthur, 713 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,240 something like that, where you can expect some amount like a 714 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,840 good portion of your audience right to know points A through 715 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,440 D. And so you just did like a 716 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,960 greatest hits of King Arthur and you were like, and we're gonna 717 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,440 add this fucking lute player who's gonna just be like really 718 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,760 cool and they're gonna sing some songs about it and it's gonna be 719 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,720 neat. Like that's sort of my view on 720 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,280 it. It's like this story that people 721 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,800 have heard 1 billion times, right? 722 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,120 Everyone knows about it. And so one at that point, people 723 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,960 like to put their own spins on things, you know what I mean? 724 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,680 Like you don't get the original story anymore because that's 725 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,680 been told to death. So you have some sort of twist 726 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,480 in it, you know, And then, you know, and sometimes that's bad, 727 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:38,000 like the Eoske, you know, but sometimes that's good and you 728 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,760 know. So I think that it was just sort 729 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,160 of a creative way to get passages from the story into the 730 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,640 anime as like her visions. And I think it's a sort of a 731 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,960 neat way to tell a story that that their audience is going to 732 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,520 be very familiar with. So the fact that we're just sort 733 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,720 of getting the SparkNotes of it is OK. 734 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,680 And that's supplemented for their core audience by the fact 735 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,760 that you have these very interesting visuals and 736 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,280 everything. Because I would suspect everyone 737 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,800 else can or not everyone else, but like your average Japanese 738 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,920 person who is watching this, right, who had a Japanese high 739 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,240 school education or whatever pin fill in those blanks because you 740 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,240 know, they're aware. It's like, you know, if they 741 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,360 talk like Hamilton, this is Hamilton. 742 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,160 That's a good. Point. 743 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,080 Yeah, yeah. No, I like that. 744 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,640 We got that. We. 745 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,520 Got or like a Greek tragedy or something along those lines. 746 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,760 Like I guess my my question was momentous, like what's what's 747 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,480 the moral of this story or the lesson that we were meant to 748 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,200 learn? But yeah, like. 749 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,400 The why all learn that that that nothing is permanent? 750 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,320 Yeah, I I like that. I like that. 751 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,600 Did it feel, I know it like no duh It it takes place in like a 752 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,120 Buddhist time. We've caught, we've caught Japan 753 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,040 at a very Buddhist time. But like, you know, the like, do 754 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,200 we think that it almost feels very like In Sync with the 755 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,320 Buddhist messaging? I guess like I don't know if I'm 756 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,400 phrasing that correctly, but like it's it, it almost feels 757 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,920 like it's trying trying to tell to align with what is often on 758 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,640 Buddhism. Well, let me tell you it is 759 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,400 that's the the source material is. 760 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,880 It was written by Buddhist monks originally. 761 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,600 It was like an oral history from the Bewa monks. 762 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,320 Right. Yeah, the Bewa players were the 763 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,200 first people to ever tell. The like to tell the story and 764 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,080 then it was written down and those were Buddhist monks. 765 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:42,320 So a lot of this is right. So like, that's again, part of 766 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:48,800 the reason that Kiamori is so villainized in this is because 767 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,480 he wasn't very nice to the Buddhists monks and stuff. 768 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,720 You know, like he, I think he was a Buddhist too, but like he 769 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:59,000 was willing to like ransack temples and like get revenge on 770 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,000 monks and stuff and like do some sort of, you know, borderline 771 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,200 taboo things within the religion. 772 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,400 And like, I guess there's a in the longer story, there's a tale 773 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,560 of where he like eats meat on like a Buddhist monk island or 774 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,880 something. And that's like viewed as a faux 775 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,000 pas because they're vegetarians or whatever. 776 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,320 And they were, they were like he was like stranded or something 777 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,840 with them. Anyway, point being, he did 778 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,000 something that was like bad to that to them. 779 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,440 Like a there's a lot of things again, like the thiever he had 780 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,160 that are like symbolic in this that aren't like real, right? 781 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,800 It's just he's so evil that he was burning up and people 782 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,400 couldn't stay in the same room as him. 783 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,840 Like, you know, he probably just died of being 70, you know, like 784 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,240 that's, you know, who knows? It just happens sometimes. 785 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:54,360 We have a very powerful rich man who has an island, and he's 786 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,560 stronger than emperors. I this is just Jeffrey Epstein. 787 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,040 I'm sorry. Like Kia Mori is just Jeffrey 788 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,640 Epstein, sorry. That's I don't know, probably 789 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,160 honestly. It seems that way. 790 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,200 The given what was socially acceptable at the time for 791 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,880 Richard. Powers who influenced history 792 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,920 more exactly. 1. Might ask like I don't know. 793 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,880 What yet? Look, there's not a whole era of 794 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,040 Japan called the Epstein era. You. 795 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,960 Don't know that yet. That's true. 796 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,400 That's his master plan. Yeah. 797 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,720 That's a good fucking point. That's true. 798 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,200 I didn't. Future Kaku. 799 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,480 I didn't. I didn't. 800 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,960 Future proof that that's not bad plan. 801 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,040 Kekaku means plan. Yeah, I'm just doing the bit 802 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,560 from the from the moon. I apologize. 803 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,160 But yeah, so like a lot of this like is Buddhist, right? 804 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,720 Like the impermanence of this, like earthly empire, the karma 805 00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:01,120 built up by Qmori, other stuff. I'm not that familiar with 806 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,520 Buddhism. I'm assuming those two gods that 807 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:11,800 came were some sort of Buddhist characters, the bull and the 808 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:20,000 horse guy, you know, But you know, and then there's like the, 809 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,360 how the, the Buddhist religion protects the women from these 810 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,840 men, like by their ability to become nuns. 811 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,680 And so like, you know, it, it is kind of Buddhist propaganda just 812 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,720 from like the 1300s. So, and it might not even be 813 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,760 like propaganda as much as it's just like told from an extremely 814 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,240 Buddhist perspective and therefore is biased towards it, 815 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,960 you know, but like you. Got done. 816 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,200 OK, that that's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to 817 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,040 like be like rude, like I, I guess insensitive to the culture 818 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,640 aspect of it and like, not because it felt like that to me, 819 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,320 I guess while I was watching. And I was like, wow, they're 820 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,080 very like, it's just a very Buddhist perspective to be 821 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,600 taking about life and a message to really of yeah, like 822 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,480 nothing's permanent. And as you joked, Miles 823 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,000 apparently hope that your grandfather didn't be an evil or 824 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,400 else or else you will literally have to ask to die and then or 825 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,880 your father, in this guy's case, asked to die for redemption and 826 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,400 then maybe still not even get it. 827 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,760 We don't know. I don't know. 828 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,240 I feel like I've asked the last couple questions. 829 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,960 Does anyone else have anything? Any talking points? 830 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,240 I want to talk about the production. 831 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,480 I would. Oh yeah. 832 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:33,920 OK, so. Let's do it. 833 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,480 OK, awesome, because this show was absolutely stunning. 834 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,320 Like I'm so impressed by some of the things that they did and I I 835 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,600 appreciate because I didn't like I caught it on my first watch 836 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,080 through, but like really pay attention to it. 837 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,120 So Pat, you mentioned in the intro Nalco Yamada, the director 838 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,960 who did things like a silent voice Kay on a lot of the 839 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,800 properties from Kyoto Animation he's been a part of. 840 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,960 And then I forgot the the the soundtrack guy, but it's the 841 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560 same guy who did the soundtrack for Ping Pong. 842 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,280 Devil May Crybaby is. That ushio keeps. 843 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,360 Get Ushio. Yeah, yeah. 844 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,400 So just like they got like just juggernauts in this production 845 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,160 team. And I think it like showed and I 846 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,680 heard it really well. But the thing I wanted to point 847 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:29,120 out that I want to give like my my like absolute highest honors 848 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,680 to is whoever does the art direction. 849 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,760 And they do this thing that I've only seen the sort of in Grimgar 850 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,760 where they do the 2D animation, but all of the backgrounds are 851 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,680 watercolors in in Hickey Montgotry. 852 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,880 They did this thing where the stylization of the background 853 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,600 art is a more simple pastel style. 854 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,240 But then having the the foreground being the traditional 855 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,880 2D animation and Polish and how that contrasted with like how 856 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,880 you just watch the show, I thought was incredible because 857 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,960 it didn't take away from your eyes looking past the care, but 858 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:14,080 you could still see how like, well, like made the background 859 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,080 is. And I just got to give its props 860 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,640 because it's it's very rare that I see art direction change 861 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,040 styles from or front to background. 862 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,960 And it just absolutely the music was just like incredible. 863 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,920 I mean, I think we all agree the OP was just like an Omega 864 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,200 banger. Like to me, it I love O PS that 865 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,800 set the tone and just the ah na na na na or whatever it is in 866 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,360 the beginning. Just like put me in a mood to 867 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,400 watch the show and I love it when when O PS do that. 868 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,880 And it's the same thing with like how E DS can sort of 869 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,520 influence the show as well. I don't think the Ed was as big 870 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,760 of a deal as like the OP, but if you think of something like 871 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,840 Mephesto from Oshinoco, like how important that Ed is, the show, 872 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,640 I love it when shows do that. So I think the show did it with 873 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,320 the OP and just really did a great job at setting up the show 874 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,920 for what it was. So I don't know if anybody else 875 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,520 had like their production flowers they want to give out. 876 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,960 So bad at production, like I, I thought it looked and sounded 877 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,920 pretty, but I just like, I'm so bad at the technical aspect of 878 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,840 all of this that like I, I just don't like you were talking 879 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,360 about like the music styles and stuff. 880 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,280 And this is something I would have never picked up on, like, 881 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,760 you know, unfortunately. Did you watch the show on like 882 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,600 ATV or with headphones? Both. 883 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,800 OK. I had to go back and forth 884 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,040 because of the time construction. 885 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,560 No, I didn't say. Yeah, OK, Yeah, OK. 886 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,240 Because like I definitely hear it way more when I'm like on my 887 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,960 computer versus my TV. So I was just wondering if that 888 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,440 was like a thing like if you don't pick up that stuff, but. 889 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,800 Yeah, if you don't have surround sound, then the sound direction 890 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,240 doesn't really matter that much, right? 891 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,920 In theory, maybe not with this show, but with other shows. 892 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,800 Right. So there you go. 893 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,840 I would say in terms of production, I think that the 894 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,920 style was very important to like what you mentioned, Pete, with 895 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,360 the the the watercolors. I think that they absolutely 896 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,000 nailed that. Is it my favorite style ever? 897 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,120 No, but I'm not. It's like ping pong, you know? 898 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,880 It's like it's the same. They did what they were trying. 899 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120 To you know it's good, it's just not for you type of thing. 900 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,640 Yeah, absolutely. And I don't even think it was. 901 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,160 Yeah, like it's still prettier than ping Pong too. 902 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,200 Not not to diss ping pong randomly, but you know what? 903 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,240 I mean like I think Ping Pong's art style. 904 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,640 I don't know if I would call it pretty. 905 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,440 That's fair, That's fair. But like the watercolor? 906 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,840 Usage, Yeah, yeah, same with mobs too. 907 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,320 You're completely right. I think the they do a good job. 908 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,880 Giving. Characters facial the room for 909 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,440 facial expression as well. I think that they did a really, 910 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,040 really good job with that. But yeah, that's all I've got 911 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,560 that you didn't already say, because I agree entirely that 912 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,120 the show's production was a absolute highlight of it. 913 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,960 I did you guys watch sub or dub? Because I watched dub and I 914 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,400 thought the voice acting was very well. 915 00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,400 Done. It was so good, the double I. 916 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,880 Like the double so. Good. 917 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,360 I was pleasantly surprised because I I didn't well, I guess 918 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,320 I shouldn't be surprised because it's a 2022 dub. 919 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:13,640 So it's like post post bad dub pre AI crap that we get 920 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,960 nowadays. Yeah, you know. 921 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,880 I just want to say like while I love the dub, like the sub is 922 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,760 also just like insanely stacked I think. 923 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,960 I don't think you can go wrong either way watching this. 924 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,120 Like you have Sayori Sayori Heyami as a supported character. 925 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,480 Like, come on, we're eating. My take on the production stuff, 926 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,880 by the way, just while we're there real quick. 927 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,000 I really enjoyed this quite a bit. 928 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,800 I thought that the I I love the OP like that is literally what 929 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,120 kind of hooked me at like the intro itself was great, very 930 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:52,040 stark like very like not slow, you know like I just watching 931 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,640 her dad get cut down was incredible, but. 932 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,600 I like it. Yeah, I loved every second of 933 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,560 it. The OP is really what hooked me. 934 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,520 And I think that the character design also drew me in quite a 935 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,280 bit. I mean, shows that take place, 936 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,640 like anime that takes place in this time can often suffer from 937 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,080 the fact that like, especially in the upper classes, like you 938 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,400 have like a very specific uniform that you see with like 939 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,960 the specific hat and, you know, robes and such. 940 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,200 And I think that they did a pretty good job of making 941 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,640 characters distinct. Like even background characters 942 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,440 we don't get the names of, we'll have like weird stuff going on 943 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,480 with their faces or like weird eyes or something like that. 944 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,760 And I just appreciate that. Like there's a lot of anime that 945 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,240 like wouldn't go out of their way to draw faces on every 946 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:45,440 character. They would just like, you know, 947 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,640 they're extras. They're getting blank faces like 948 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,880 look at like My Hero Academia or or Bungo stray dogs or something 949 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,440 from Bones. Like they're always doing that. 950 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,200 I don't blame them necessarily, but it's nice when the extra 951 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,520 effort is put in. And I think that, like, this 952 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,840 whole series feels like a labor of love from the entire 953 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,160 production team. Like the soundtrack, the 954 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,640 character designs, the animation. 955 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,880 Yeah, I think that the production on this is a plus. 956 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,960 And you know, it's just that Polish that's we've come to love 957 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,200 science sorrow for. I mean, yeah, the production 958 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,640 deserves all the praise that we give it. 959 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,400 I think it's so it's it is it's very cool. 960 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,920 Every aspect of it too. It's not like one part's strong 961 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,160 or not the other. All of it is so well balanced. 962 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,800 I think the the historical and just totally thought of this 963 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,880 too, like the the armor and things like that looked awesome. 964 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,680 I have no idea myself personally if they've got it perfectly 965 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,000 right or whatever. But even like during the fights 966 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,440 to the way they were positioning their boats and using Shields 967 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,040 and arrows and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 968 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,200 blah, blah, all that cool stuff was I, I take their word that 969 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,200 that was accurate or how it was told or how it was portrayed in 970 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,680 the historical narratives. So I think that's pretty sick 971 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,160 that they did a good job of adapting that as well, both 972 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,760 visually and I guess. Yeah, there we go. 973 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,920 Cool. Final thoughts. 974 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,320 Final thoughts. I'm really good at this talking. 975 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:22,960 Thing that we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 976 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,360 Double visually, double visual. It's because we got 2 odds to 977 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,920 see with two visuals, yeah, but yeah, that's two odds. 978 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,160 Miles, what are your final thoughts, if you have any? 979 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,400 And what's your final score for the? 980 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,640 Yeah, I, I had a good time with this. 981 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,240 I I generally always like science, sorry stuff. 982 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,080 And I like things like this that require me to look up a bunch of 983 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,800 historical bullshit in order to, like, contextualize it. 984 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,400 Like, I learned a lot about Japanese history from watching 985 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:59,800 this and the subsequent research and everything I did to have a 986 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,280 completely fumbling grasp of the political situation of this. 987 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,360 I think it's a good, interesting story. 988 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:12,120 I think that if if you like the the Small council meetings of 989 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,080 Game of Thrones, that this is for you. 990 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:22,520 That's your favorite part of that series, and I gave this an 991 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,520 8 out of 10. 8 out of 10. All right, let me add that to my 992 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,640 calculator while Pete gives his final thoughts and final score. 993 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,160 From a production value like this show is a 10 out of 10. 994 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,160 It blew me away from everything that I saw. 995 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,520 Visually, audibly, like just a well crafted, well polished 996 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,040 show. My biggest gripe of the show is 997 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,520 that this is a 800 to 1200 page book that is condensed into 11 998 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,280 episodes. The pacing is just horrendous. 999 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,720 It is horrendously faced. I it this it's cool that they're 1000 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,160 like showcasing the story, but I don't think this is the medium 1001 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,520 for like I I just, it's not even like it's like a historical 1002 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,760 fiction thing or something like that. 1003 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,200 It's like, I just don't think this story works to me. 1004 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,240 I'm glad we got it and I'm glad that they put their full effort 1005 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,880 in, but it's just I that it's kind of why I wouldn't recommend 1006 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,480 this to anybody. But looking at like the bright 1007 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,480 side, I thought like for a summary of what this story was, 1008 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,800 they did a decent job at showcasing that outside of BWA, 1009 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,680 I had troubles like really connecting and having fun with 1010 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,160 other characters. So that can sort of be a lapse 1011 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,760 and sort of my enjoyment in this show because I do like to attach 1012 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,200 myself to characters. And while I like Biwa, I don't 1013 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,040 think she was the strongest character I've seen in anime, 1014 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,280 let alone this show. But it was a good time that I 1015 00:59:54,280 --> 01:00:00,120 mean, God, just like most of my points are just through 1016 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,840 production, just like beautifully everything, 1017 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,000 fantastic voice acting knocked out of the park. 1018 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,360 I just did not like the basic. I'm going to give it a 7 just 1019 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,320 because of all those other reasons. 1020 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,240 But man, I just the pacing sucks. 1021 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,440 I'm sorry. All right, all right, Jolene, 1022 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,400 what about you? I liked this quite a bit. 1023 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,720 I think that like I agree with Pete, the production on this was 1024 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,120 fantastic for sure. Really enjoyed the voice acting 1025 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,480 both dub and the sub for whatever. 1026 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,120 I had to watch that as well because Crunchyroll was not 1027 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:40,080 giving me any subtitles for the songs whenever I was watching 1028 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,640 the English dub, which was annoying as shit. 1029 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,360 I think that like overall the pacing was an issue. 1030 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,280 It's a huge story, like it's an epic. 1031 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,200 So I guess trying to tell all the details of it would have 1032 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,240 been a bit difficult, but it would have been nice if we could 1033 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,000 at least get like an idea of how much time had passed or 1034 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,160 something like that. Like just put like a throw up a 1035 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,720 little thing when you do a scene transition, like, you know, six 1036 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,440 months later or give a year or, or like a location or something 1037 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,240 like that. Literally just anything to clue 1038 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,320 us in. But I understand that like this 1039 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,160 is primarily made for people who probably know all this stuff 1040 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,640 already and so it won't really be that big of a deal for them. 1041 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,960 They're just trying to see like another telling of a story that 1042 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:33,320 they enjoy. Overall for me, I think that 1043 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,880 this is like a, I'd say like a 7 out of 10. 1044 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,280 All righty. Yeah, I don't have much more to 1045 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,320 add. I think we did a pretty good job 1046 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,560 covering it. I feel pretty confident in my 1047 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,960 score of an 8 out of 10. I'm I I really enjoy historical 1048 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,400 shows. I love the political of the 1049 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,920 politics being played. I wish we got a little bit more 1050 01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:03,440 of that and actually saw hey be involved in it in some capacity. 1051 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,680 I think that that's what really frustrated me because yeah, like 1052 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,200 I think Pete, you mentioned it earlier, did just feel like a 1053 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,480 documentary, which I love documentaries, but like, without 1054 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,720 her involvement in theory, this is just a documentary. 1055 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,640 So I am not going to, I, I don't think it was perfect by any 1056 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,160 means, but I really, really had more fun with it than I thought 1057 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,120 I would after the first few episodes. 1058 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,320 And I was, you know, I think it really picks up as you, as the 1059 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,520 characters develop more and more. 1060 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:38,480 So that brings our final total to an average of a 7 1/2 between 1061 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,080 four of us. Wow, that math was really easy. 1062 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,160 I didn't even think about the fact that we gave 2 eights and 1063 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,160 two sevens. I, you know, again, I'll get 1064 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,680 more experience with that six years from now, but we have 1065 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,520 yeah, 7.5, which is .3 lower than the Mao score of a 7.8. 1066 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,760 Not a lot of users on this. Was this like slept on when it 1067 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,920 came out? Like 28,000 feels low. 1068 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,680 It's not like it's not for the mainstream. 1069 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,200 Like how many people like enjoyed traditional historical 1070 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,080 anime. 10% of jiu jitsu Kaizen watchers. 1071 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,160 Fair enough. Fair enough. 1072 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,560 Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about, I guess what the Western 1073 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,560 versus Eastern audience to like. The difference there would be 1074 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,000 pretty massive, I'm guessing, but yeah, sweet. 1075 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,440 All right, Well, that wraps up our discussion of the Hakee 1076 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,240 story or Hakee Monogatry. Miles, we have two core week 1077 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:36,360 coming up in however long it is. What 2 core show did we vote on 1078 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,600 and are we watching? OK wait one second because I 1079 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,720 just realized Jolene didn't vote and I would like her to vote. 1080 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,040 Well, Kat's not here, so I had to do his thing. 1081 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,160 That's my bad. He already did his thing too 1082 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:50,520 during. The yesterday already did his 1083 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,920 thing too. I, I, I have. 1084 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,520 So yeah, I the only thing is I think if possible, I would like 1085 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,680 all of us to vote because that is the way the nominations are 1086 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,040 on even footing. Because I think technically, if 1087 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,320 you want your show to win, the smartest play is to not vote. 1088 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,440 And so it's. True. 1089 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,600 I do not believe that Jolene will change this based off of 1090 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,640 what I know of her taste, but alas. 1091 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,720 I just I sense it. OK, Oh my God, it's so 1092 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,000 different. No, you changed nothing. 1093 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:30,000 It's wait, did this get a legacy point now? 1094 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,480 No, nothing. Got anything? 1095 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,200 Wow. It's made it really close 1096 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,120 though. OK, we will be watching. 1097 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,960 OK, I'm just gonna go. Oh yeah, yeah. 1098 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,200 You do 3rd through 1st. Yeah, so we had a tie for third 1099 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,840 and a tie for second. So everything gets a shout out. 1100 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,760 Shout out to Yonah and Code Ghios for coming in 3rd. 1101 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,800 Shout out to Hig and Orb for coming in second. 1102 01:04:51,800 --> 01:05:00,680 We will be watching Cowboy Beat Bop and yeah, that's, I want to 1103 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,080 say when I before I reminded people today, Cowboy Bebop was 1104 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:11,600 in dead last by like a lot. And then today, all the last 1105 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,800 minute people were like, I want to watch Cowboy Bebop. 1106 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,200 So I'm excited to watch that again, damn it. 1107 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:22,920 Second time in a year. The bin is the bin finally dies. 1108 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,120 It's time and you'll see the people reacting in chat already 1109 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,960 to this. It is so exciting. 1110 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,880 It's not even my show and I'm going to get up here and parade 1111 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,480 it. This is fantastic. 1112 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,240 I'm so excited to talk. About You're watching the 1113 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,920 Netflix. My next tattoo. 1114 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's April Fools are coming 1115 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,320 early, right? Yeah, no, I'm so excited. 1116 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,680 I love this show. I've watched re watched it like 1117 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,440 four or five different times. I can't wait to rewatch it 1118 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,400 again. I don't know if I would 1119 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,520 recommend the sub or the dub. I think they both have merit, 1120 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,480 but I would say the dub is a classic. 1121 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,520 It's the dub, it's the dub every single time. 1122 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,000 What do you mean it's the dub? It's. 1123 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:03,880 Fair enough. I mean, yeah, we'll get into 1124 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:04,320 here. I've. 1125 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,400 Literally never heard anyone mention the sub like ever. 1126 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,600 It's good. Yeah, I liked it, but fair 1127 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,600 enough. We'll watch the dub or I think 1128 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,040 you should watch the dub then I'll fine, I'll. 1129 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,080 I think it's the most influential anime dub of all 1130 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,920 time probably. It's pretty damn good. 1131 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,000 It is pretty damn good, but sweet. 1132 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,800 All right, Well, that is what we're watching. 1133 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,800 And we don't need to vote because we have a special 1134 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,080 surprise that totally no one knows about planned for you guys 1135 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,000 on April Fool's Day for our followers. 1136 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,360 It's going to be in May. I think it's going to drop like 1137 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,120 mid-april. Yeah, so it's April Fool's and 1138 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,880 it's the only episode that's coming out in April. 1139 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,120 So there we go. I think I don't know what day 1140 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,640 exactly are we? We'll figure that out later. 1141 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,040 But so we're not doing nominations this time. 1142 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,040 But then we will come back next week and do cat nominations, 1143 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,720 which are going to be shows that we like totally. 1144 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,840 So yeah, let's guess that wraps up Watch Club. 1145 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,040 Thank you so much for listening and. 1146 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,400 Please tell what we're watching or the April Fools. 1147 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,880 Are we doing the bit? No. 1148 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,200 Yeah. Well, it's a surprise 00. 1149 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,000 OK, I you actually I didn't think because you were joking. 1150 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,560 Well, it's not a surprise though do do do people not know the bit 1151 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:23,160 at this? Point. 1152 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,720 I mean, there could be new viewers. 1153 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,800 That's true. There are new viewers. 1154 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,200 Go and check out which two episodes we've done that don't 1155 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,160 fit what we normally do on this channel for Watch Club and 1156 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,400 perhaps with the. K Pop. 1157 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,160 Powers of deductive. Did we do K pop? 1158 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:41,680 Oh yeah, we did. That's true. 1159 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,440 Yeah, yeah. Link click. 1160 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,480 That's another one, yeah. We're doing Ruby. 1161 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,120 We're doing Ruby two weeks from now. 1162 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,600 So there we go. Yeah, that's what. 1163 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,960 It is That would be an April Fool's joke, because I would be 1164 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,640 cracking jokes the entire time I. 1165 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,960 Wouldn't wait. Did we ever do ice queendom on 1166 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,360 this or did? No, we're doing like the YouTube 1167 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,120 series too, by the way. Not OK. 1168 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:07,320 I read. Yeah, I read. 1169 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,520 Not the anime, yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to 1170 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,920 remember why I bothered finished watching it. 1171 01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,760 Like 'cause I had like the last episode on deck for like. 1172 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,960 That was a Shark Tank. It's a Shark Tank. 1173 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,560 No the. 2nd to last episode is the best episode. 1174 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,920 Who is the last episode? Oh, that's your best episode? 1175 01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,000 The show sucks. That's the best episode. 1176 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,600 I thought the fight in the penultimate episode was pretty. 1177 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:31,560 Funny. I mean, the fight was good. 1178 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,760 I was. Like, yeah. 1179 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,479 It's just like regular Ruby, the fights are sick and like things 1180 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,319 are fun but it's the poorly put together. 1181 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,880 And yeah. Yeah, that, that you, you. 1182 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,920 Re watched it. You re watched it because of our 1183 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,560 Shark Tank episode. You finished it because I was 1184 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,479 like, hey, please finish it. And you did so, and then I 1185 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,160 watched all of Revu Starlight for you in compensation, so it 1186 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,720 worked out. And you got to watch Ayaka 1187 01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,279 Miles. You watched Utna? 1188 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,160 What did I say? Review. 1189 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,920 Starlight Review Starlight, which I was. 1190 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,359 Impaired, which yeah, to be fair, similar. 1191 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,720 Which we did for Watch Club 2 like 4 years ago. 1192 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,200 At this point I was surprisingly low on review. 1193 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,840 Starlight for me, but a rare world. 1194 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,359 You don't like you don't like lesbians. 1195 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,920 I understand. Yeah, no, I I love lesbians. 1196 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,479 I wish there were some in the show. 1197 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,439 Mike Green. From downtown Art. 1198 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,080 Please, Pat's got no golf, I got to go eat. 1199 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,000 So if you have made it this far and you want to support us, the 1200 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,680 best way to do so, like, comment, subscribe, leave a 1201 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,080 review on whatever platform you're watching or listening to 1202 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,720 us on. Next week there won't be an 1203 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,040 episode because I'll be too busy being in Japan. 1204 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,520 So you'll get an episode late March. 1205 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,479 So I'm going to take a break. So thank you so much for all the 1206 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,640 support throughout the years. Thanks to everybody who joined 1207 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,920 and we will see you next time. Bye bye, bye, bye, bye.