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We'll be reviewing the 2022 anime Ek Monogatry.
Let's meet today's faction members.
First up, she thinks this is a prequel to NUO.
And you know what? Fuck it, why not?
We got Jolene. Jolene, how's it going?
It is 100% of prequel to INUO. Whenever those dolphins showed
up, I was like, Oh my God, it's the dolphin.
The whale. The whale, yeah.
Glad you are here, our first moderator tonight.
He is my main advisor to the What do you Say Anime faction.
As we begin our crusade against other anime podcasts.
We have Miles Mori. How's it going?
Oh, it's going well. I just want to make it clear
that this is technically a prequel to almost any anime that
takes place in modern Japan, Or I'm going to say 12th century
forward Japan or future Japan or the world in some sense.
See. That's why you should vote for
Orb because it this is a prequel.
This is this is technically a prequel to ORB, yes.
And Pat? Well, we've got about an hour of
time for you to vote for Orb two weeks ago, if you want to, if
you want, 'cause we will know what we're watching by the end
of this episode. But yes, we are.
We are here to talk about the Heikki story or Heikki
Monogaturi. It's an anime that aired in the
Winter 2022 season done by Science Saru, sourced from a
book, which I think is interesting genres of drama and
supernatural themes of historical and samurai.
This one pat week, which was meant to be a historical anime.
So I do appreciate this. This is going way back into the
history of Japan. You know, a lot of these shows
that we see are often based in like the Shokugawa Tokugawa
Shogun It I almost flipped those words around or something around
the, you know, the 15 to 1800s. So I appreciate that this is
even predating that. So I think it's pretty cool that
we watch this show. But yeah, let's get right into
our first impressions. Miles, what are your first
impressions on Hickey Monogatri and spoiler free first few
episodes and whether you'd recommend it or not?
Yeah, this is like my second ish time watching this.
I think I fell off of it the first time just because I don't
know, life is busy. But I really liked it.
So it was nice to finish this off.
I think it's like it's like a very good show.
The first impressions for it are this is definitely a show that
you like got to get ready to to sort of buckle down and watch.
This is not like a second screen show.
There are a lot of characters and they sort of just trust you
to figure it out. You know, I don't know if that's
because like the the primary audience in Japan knows all of
this stuff. I know this is like a very
taught period and like high school and all that sort of
history, But if you don't have that background, get ready to
learn it because there, you know, there's stuff to do.
But it's like a pretty interesting political drama
with, you know, pretty art, great music and sort of a
science Saru like babies first avant-garde style that I love so
much. So you know, I I would recommend
it. I think it's it's just a good
watch. It definitely has the science
SARU feel, there's no doubt about that.
But yeah, all right, Pete, what about you?
So I'm similar to Miles. I came into this.
This is my rewatch. The first time I watched it, I
also fell off, but I kind of I got back in and finished it but
before the season ended. But it was a show to me that you
definitely need to be in like in a mindset to watch it because
there's just so much happening. And I think something like this
setting that we have where you can discuss and talk with people
about the events is greatly beneficial because there's just
so many things happening in this story that if it wasn't for our
group, I think I'd be lost though for in terms of like
recommendations. It's like, I really like this
show, but I don't know if I would say I would probably not
recommend it more than I would recommend it.
So I'm gonna go with a not recommended just because it just
seems like this is a made for very specific people and that
person is not in the, you know, the zeitgeist, not watching the
mainstream stuff. They like the they like the the
indie hidden darling stuff. So I would recommend it if
you're into that type of stuff. But for like the mainstream
watcher, Nah, you can see this one.
I wholeheartedly agree actually with the like, it's good, but
it's not something you'd recommend to a lot of people.
I think that's a pretty, pretty fair perspective.
Jolene, what about you? Yeah.
So this is actually this is a recommend for me.
I think that while it is a bit more niche than maybe what a lot
of people in the West are into as far as like history and such,
I don't really see it as having that big of a barrier of entry
compared to like any kind of niche historical drama of which
I mean, there are many. You know what people will watch
like Bridgerton or something like that, or Downton Abbey and
keep up with 87 in the case of Downton Abbey, British people
who basically all look exactly the same.
So I don't really think most people like, I think that people
are smarter than we give them credit for.
And I trust them to see this as a piece, as a piece of art.
I mean, it is very well directed in my opinion.
It is directed by a Kyoto. I mean, it's by Science Aru, but
it's directed by a legend from Kyoto Animation as well.
I don't know her name off the top of my head, but she is very
well known and has done a lot of quality work.
I just, yeah, I don't really see, I understand where you guys
are coming from, I guess, but I don't really see like most
people like if I think if people are into like sort of artsy
stuff or historical fiction, they'll be fine with this sort
of thing. Like, and historical fiction is
like such a big thing nowadays. I think that the majority of
people who aren't just watching like, you know, the Super
mainstream stuff will be fine with it.
So recommend for me I think. Our people are smarter than the
most people. That's what I'm going to say
here because I think we as a podcast and.
As I'm dumb as folks. Have procured, I think we have
procured an audience of people that are like, Jolene said, like
a capable of handling the show, I think.
I have a Louisiana public school education.
Please let that sink in for a second.
You, you have an Internet education though, for the last
what, 10-15 years of your life. So I'd, I'd say that you know,
there there's. That doesn't help.
Yeah, yeah.
Jesus. OK.
You know that's a fairpoint. That you're right.
I know so much. I know so much about the
reptilians, you know, in the past 10 years.
But I think, I think, yeah, I would recommend this to our
general audience. But I do agree with Pete that I
would not recommend this to an anime general audience, I
suppose, or a Western anime general audience.
I think that that's where I'll define my my perspective.
I really enjoyed the music in this show.
Just to highlight something that no one else has brought up yet,
but I'm sure we'll talk about. The music is fantastic.
Like the Julian you mentioned, the direction or the directing.
I thought it was really cool how almost every single episode it
seemed like had a different episode director specifically
when I was looking through like the credits and the the staff
that supported. This is a really cool show and I
wouldn't say I loved it, but I enjoyed it quite a bit and found
it. I think like you said, Pete,
talking about it is going to be a lot of fun because I was, as
Miles said too, to tie it all back together.
I was very lost with some of these names with just being
expected to know things and that made it difficult at times.
But it was also fun to uncover. So it didn't bother me as much
as it might with like other shows where I get name blindness
and discouraged. But yeah, so I think that that's
2 1/2 to 3 recommends so far, or whatever we ended up at.
I don't know, it's hard to keep track of when we're never.
We're so wishy washy. But yeah, let's get in the
spoilers for Heikki Monogatri, which there are some pretty
heavy spoilers, so keep that in mind.
But Miles, do you want to give a quick plot synopsis?
Maybe whatever happens to the 1st 5 minutes and we can go from
there. 1st 5 minutes OK we we see a girl who plays the B wah
get her father gets killed and then the the Lord of the people
who killed her father adopt her and that's the first 5 minutes
of the show. Her name is Biwa.
She plays Biwa and then credits roll and no.
So Heki Monogatery of course follows the medieval Japanese
epic The Heki Monogatery which is a tale of the Genpi wars
which were between the Genji and Tyra clan.
We mostly follow the Tyra clan who are also known as the Heki
because Japanese is a fun language where they are spelt
very similarly. But if you add another character
it changes the pronunciation of Tyra to hey.
So when you make it the Tyra family it becomes the hey K.
So that's why that's happening for anyone who cares you.
See, Miles is the smart one. That's why we got.
Miles and Miles knows how to read that's and it spends time
doing it. That's, I'm not necessarily
smart, but you know, I read some about this to to try to be
informed. So Biwa is an original character
to this particular rendition of the Hickey story, and she sort
of acts as a narrator. She has the ability to see the
future, but not the ability to change it.
So people will ask her about important events that are going
to happen, like, Oh no, like my brother's going into battle,
what's going to happen? And then she sort of goes into
like, I don't know, some sort of like spirit mode or something
and like plays or bewa and like tells the story in a melodic way
of these big important historical events that have
happened. Because the Hegemonicotti is
largely inspired by history, though it is sort of historical
fiction in a lot of ways, because a lot of things were
changed for various reasons. And there's some supernatural
elements in it that actually aren't really touched upon in
this but are in the story proper.
Like one of the advisors is like a big old spider commie guy,
like something like that. Yeah.
So this is also the first, the last era, the Hey Wah era.
Hey, is that right? Hey wah, it's the Hey Yah era.
It was when Outkast released Hey Yah in 2004.
OK, no, it's not. Hey, while hey.
You mean the? Do you mean the hey inner?
Hey in. Yeah, Inon.
Hey on, hey on. That's it.
I'm gonna show. Which is which?
Means you know that if you were in jiu jitsu Kaisen.
So that's hey, like like hecky because it isn't that fun.
But after this, it goes from like the emperor who will still
exist, but like, to a Shogun being a a person in the Japanese
thing. So it's sort of the separation
between these two eras. And so yeah, that's where we
are. There's a lot to discuss.
Oh, he's got wife, a girl. But yeah, it's, it's my, my wife
is getting our son up the stairs and the way that we, we teach
him to. And this could backfire later in
our lives, but alas, to do anything, it's like if he
doesn't want to do something, we make it a competition.
I love it because he likes to compete.
Oh boy, there we go. Now I've been explaining to him
that he needs to be able to accept losing because while
winning is the best feeling in the world, if you, if you can't
win, if there's no chance of losing, right?
So like, you have to accept those much like the Hecky fan.
You've got. Everything you do, in fact.
And I have So what I'm. Losing's like, except I do, but
yeah, you. Know well if we rerun like one
month we can not even. Yeah, we just didn't win it.
So I guess my my thing would be like to talk about because there
really is so much that goes on here.
We follow the children of Kiyomori, who is the head of the
Hickey family, who is a very influential warlord.
I guess he, the beginning of this helps imprison the current
emperor and make him like the retired emperor and then marries
his daughter off to the new emperor.
And then we follow for the beginning his oldest son at the
time, Shigahira, who sort of adopts Bwa.
He so Bwa is with his like three children.
I think so anyways, what do we think about like this initial
setup and everything? How'd we do with it?
Did we find it interesting? We'll start with that and then
we'll we'll go from there. Because this feels like
something we need to take a little more methodically.
Because normally we, we'd be a little chaotic with these
things, but they're really like a lot of stuff happens.
They cover like 10 years of history.
When they started setting things up it, it kind of got like a
little too fast, but I did like how it's set up until we got to
episode 3 when we just jump skipped an entire year and the
setup felt good until that point.
Because then it's sort of like I, I think Miles you mentioned
earlier, we kind of just expected to know some of the
things that are happening in between the scenes and we don't.
So then we go from like her being adopted to now being like
a focal point in like, member of this family, like way too fast.
And it's sort of like pulled me away from like, do they like be
what are they using her for her power?
Like, what is the point of her being in this family?
And I kind of got confused by like the dynamic of the family
along with the pacing of setting everything up.
So I don't know if anyone else felt that way.
Yeah, I agree that the I think that this similar to when we
watched 100 meters, right, like the way it jumps between times
like you like you said it jumped forward a year in this case in
this specific moment and it does that a couple times throughout
the rest of the story made it very difficult to follow at
times because you are like she goes, yeah, she goes from being
this outcast and then her powers discovered by father.
Again, this is where all the names of different things get
get difficult to identify, but the father, she can hear her
thank you. And it's we don't get to see and
we see like a little bit of character interactions, which I
really liked in this show. I thought that Beowah's
relationship with all the different brothers.
Shigemorti. And uncles, perfect example of
where we are of with this. I think that they did a good job
of showing how she could become close to them.
But it does just jump right in and all of a sudden, like you
said, Peachy's gone from not being part of the family to to
what we don't really understand, like are they abusing her power?
Are they using it in any way? We don't get that necessarily
directly addressed until later on and we're expected to just
roll with it, which is a little frustrating.
I think the show personally, I I thought it got stronger as it
went on compared to how it started.
Not to change the point, but I'm curious what the others thought
as well about that that this specific jump that we're
referencing. Earlier I don't think they were
for really like one that the jumps are always a little
confusing to me because you just like have to figure out around
how much time is jumped based on like where people are.
But I don't think they were abusing B Wells power cuz she is
what might be the single most useless power of all time so
yeah. What foresight or whatever?
Well, in the inability like you can't ever change anything,
right? Like it is, it is predetermined.
So the, you know, like, OK, like, you know.
Well, I guess I well that I guess that's where do we define
this power then? Because like if you if and if
the meta game or the meta theory there is, oh, you can't change
the future because you knowing the future means that you're
whatever you're going to do is going to lead to that future,
but then also your inaction is going to lead to that.
Like like, you know, there's like layers to that.
And I guess that's where I'm it is a I'm annoyed like, yeah,
versus, I don't know, maybe this is an Eastern versus western
media thing. Like, you think about all those
movies where people, I'm thinking of the Nick Cage one
where he's able to like, see 20 seconds into the future or two
minutes into the future or something like that, and he uses
that to like, Dodge. Do you guys know what I'm
referencing here? I guess my point, I'm pretty
sure it's Nicolas Cage's. Well, maybe there's other movies
like it too, of course, but I'm pretty sure it's Nicolas Cage is
an next. Next.
Yeah, yes. Thank you.
Gosh. I just literally typed Nicolas
Cage can see the future into. Thank you.
Yeah.
But point being, like, I guess I, there are a lot of stories
like that, though the in the Western media where that future
site isn't seen as like a useless power.
It's quite the opposite. They use it to skirt rules, to
win cards or gambling debts, you know, dodge bullets, all this
stuff. And it's like, I, I wonder if
that's like a, a deeper thing in terms of how Western culture
views what a foresight would be versus like Destiny, like
Eastern culture does. I, I don't know.
Go ahead, Joe. But like the the difference
between it is, is it's not like seeing a bullet flying at you 2
seconds into the future and being able to dodge it.
It's more so seeing yourself being shot and being unable to
do anything about it. Like, it seems like it's
strictly horrific downfalls that she sees she doesn't ever see.
Like, oh, we're going to get, we're going to go out for dinner
later. Nice.
Like, Mom's getting McDonald's on the way home.
No, she sees like, mom got in a fucking final destination.
It's like final destination, but she just dies instead.
Yeah. Yeah, they do in Final
Destination too, right? Like the ending scene is always
like, oh, we didn't really break the cycle.
You know, like whoopsie daisies, you know, but I think part of it
is too is that so traditionally the story is like very Buddhist
like in its themes and stuff and sort of the, I don't know, like
the karmic toll that Kiyomodi racked up sort of made these
things inevitable. I think is the sort of thing now
in in this particular rendition of it, I guess there is some
wiggle room on if B Watt could change things, right, because
she helps save the daughter Tokuko at the end.
But in real life, Tokuko was, was saved and her vision didn't
show her dying, but only being in the process of drowning,
which did happen. So, you know, I, I, I don't
know, I think it's like a little intentionally vague, but I, I
think, and this is a point that I wanted.
To. Yeah, that's this is this is
mostly just that So Raven, this is a point that I wanted to
make, which was like Bwah's role in this story mostly is like a
narrator. Like she has very little effect
on anything plot relevant, like at all.
She is, which makes sense. She's not in the original story,
but like I feel like she's there to be like a contemporary
narrator, which is like a very interesting idea, right.
But so like her future visions, like allow us to get these like
narrations and passages and stuff from the hecky Monogatari,
like in a contemporary time frame as the people living it, I
guess, if that makes sense. Because like they end with the
first passage of the story. Like that's the belly thing I
believe that they do at the end. And so she's sort of like a
role, like trying to find an equivalent that people could
reach. I don't know.
But anyway, point being like, yeah, it's, it's a very unique
role and I, I liked it, but I could see it being bizarre to
like people not liking it 'cause it's just sort of, you could
kind of have this whole story without Bwa, who is sort of the
main character, which is a weird setup, right?
So I don't know. What did we think about Bwa's
general inclusion and all of that?
I liked her quite a bit as like a narrator who is both like
inside and outside of the narrative at the same time.
Like obviously she was there but in the context of her being a
narrator, she's like in the the the spirit realm where all
musicians that live in science sorrow films go after they die
apparently. Especially be Wow players.
I'm just saying I liked her quite a bit.
I think that like if she, if this was a book, I think people
would have less issues with it. Like having a character who's
just there to be like the narrator or whatever.
Like I think about like The Great Gatsby, something like
that, where like, you know, the main character of The Great
Gatsby, you're kind of like whatever, man.
Like you're literally just there.
So I can see this crash out. I think that she fulfills a
similar role to that, but with like a little bit more agency,
if that makes sense. Look, Nick Carraway get some
personality in like the last two chapters of the Quick Has to Be.
OK, all it took was the actual main character dying, yeah.
All it took was for someone to die and for him to realize no
one fucking cared that that man died.
And then he finally got a little.
My bad, you're going to ruin my 7th grade reading today.
Spoilers for when we do Bongo Stray Dog season 2.
Shaking my head. To to.
Yeah, please. Not I, I do Uma.
Now I have to make it happen. Now I have to make it happen.
The to to continue on your point, Miles, I I agree that the
story could happen without her, but I think what BWA does a
really good job of is humanizing all the characters involved,
giving them color and time to show their personality, which I
think is really important towards the end of the story
when it all. And not to skip ahead, but it
all kind of comes together with the passing of the entire clan
and the and the family and or almost the entire clan.
And the whole point is the yeah, yeah, almost.
Yeah. But the whole point being it's
they are family and it's, they are, you know, showing their
family and their lives and how they enriched each other's and
the people around them. Like, I think that was a big
point at the end. And BIWA allows that to happen,
at least for most of the story. I think Biwa is 100% necessary
for the story because if she wasn't here I think the story
would be boring as fuck. I think it just just be a
documentary which is fine but like that's not why we're
watching it. I I think she does a great job
at being like a catalyst to sort of showcase both factions
involved. And so I do think you could tell
the story without her, but I think for like an entertainment
value, she's absolutely necessary.
And I also kind of pictured her a little bit as like a revenge
story, like we're watching the fall of the faction that killed
her father and like she knows that she's not going to die.
At least that's what I kind of felt like, but I kind of liked
it. It was kind of shifting.
I guess this is just like a personal like view lens, but I
kind of viewed it a little bit as B1, just watching the
downfall of this faction, and I kind of liked it in that
viewpoint as well. So I think she's necessary for
the story, for the entertainment value.
I think she like was very broken up about it though.
No, for sure, because she like, she like grew.
She's a part of their family still.
Yeah, I guess. It's more of like, you know,
she's she she watches her father die and then she goes to the
House of the leader of the faction that killed her father.
And so like, to me, I guess it was more like how it started
versus how it ended is different because I think like how it
started was like, I at least that's how I viewed it is she
was either going there to die or to like change something.
And I think she just happened to change something.
But I think like in the beginning, like watching the
downfall of this faction was kind of part of her character.
I think it changed later, but like while I was watching it I
kind of had that viewpoint and it made the show more fun.
Yeah, I think it's interesting because the person, the very
specific person who the story wants it us to think deserves
the downfall is Kiyomori. And he gets fucking got 2/3 of
the way through and then and then his entire fucking family,
like after the fight, you know what I mean?
It's like, it's like the one guy who is like kind of a Dick got
got. And then everyone else who you
know, they're you know, they're part of like a war clan or
whatever. Like I'm sure they're not great
people or whatever, but like that are all, you know, they're
not any worse than anyone on like the Genji or anything like
that's you know, but in all those people got fucking got
like they got themselves even in some ways, like.
It's like, is that what this is like the the Genji family like
later on like destroyed themselves?
Oh well, I'm in. I'm in this family.
Probably though, because the Genji family becomes the first
choke in it and like, they weren't the last one, so surely
something happened. Oh yeah, 'cause they're the
Genji family is the Yamamoto I think is their family name.
Oh well, there you go. OK, this is all making sense
because the guy name of the Genji family is go Shirakawa.
So Shirakawa go so like that area.
So this is supposed to be in the mountains of Japan and.
Well, they're in OK, so Shirakawa also just means White
River. OK.
Oh, they're like, located like, they're by like Hakone, aren't
they? Yeah, I don't.
I mean it could be named after, but go also just means like
prefecture or city or something because everything now look,
they could be related. I'm just saying it's not like
100% guarantee because like every third word in Japanese is
just the same word like phonetically and it's horrible
accusing. So yeah, but there's like a
yeah, there's a lot going on because like, the Genji aren't
like great people, I would say, because they they basically get
outplayed by Kiyomori. And not even like nefariously,
like Kiyomori was very ruthless, but like, he just did a much
better job of like, marrying his daughters to people and like
things like that. And he had like a seventh son.
We cut a lot of characters from this rendition from like the the
original thing or whatever we like cut like 8 children of
Kiyomoris from it. But like it it they want because
this is being written by the people who defeated Kiyomori.
It it views him as the ultimate sort of bad guy.
You know, there's like a little bit of that right?
Like it it displays him as have having been so sinful that his
fever could boil water like that didn't happen.
Like, you know, So, you know, that's some of the which I think
is very interesting, but like the bias and stuff that goes in
here. And I think it's really neat to
sort of look at this like through the lens of whoever was
writing this and also from like a modern lens and trying to
figure out what characters might have been different.
And I imagine this was relatively sympathetic.
What we watched to the Hecke is more modern thing.
And the fact that most of the characters besides Kiyo Mori
were very sympathetic, I think. Was anyone else like, I guess
Muni Mori wasn't very sympathetic.
He was a. They turned him into a soy Jack.
They literally turned him into a soy Jack.
That's another thing I was reading about how and so he was
portrayed as sort of like cowardly and everything, but
that was because he didn't kill himself at the end.
And and like he apparently was at every single battle being a
commander. And this show was like, Nah,
this guy just didn't do anything, which is sort of
funny. You know, they really played him
as incompetent and like leading to the downfall or whatever,
which is interesting. Do you guys think that the Genji
were well fleshed out enough in this?
Because I felt like I could have used more.
Oh, there's literally no there. It's not even really about them,
honestly. They're just there to be.
Yeah. I mean, it's literally called
Hey Case Story. Yeah, no, I, I, yes.
But I, I guess I would like when Kiamori is like, I don't want a
fucking gravestone. I don't care about having
anything. All I want is for you to get the
fucking head of that Genji motherfucker and put it where
I'm buried. Like, I would like to know a
little bit more as to why, you know what I mean?
Because that goes hard as fuck. We mentioned we yeah, we
mentioned like name blindness, but I also felt enemy blindness
too. Like so like what you're saying
I yeah, it's a Hakey story. I want to know about the Hakeys,
but like I would have liked to have understood to you like
'cause like there's the monks, they, they end up fighting like
multiple different factions, which is the nature of a warring
clan state and everything. And being the emperor, you're
going to have a lot of enemies, whatever or the, the heir to the
emperor or whatever. But like there's the monks, then
there's the, like you said, the Genjis and then there's the, the
people that ride on the bores. Are they Genjis, right?
Or they, like I, I don't know. It was very like, I would have
liked to have known a little more about what they were
fighting for, but I guess again, we wouldn't be able to use the
vessel of you. Mean like the mercenaries that.
They hide there. Yeah.
The mercenaries. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.
I just remember they rode boars, which I thought was really
funny. Instead of riding horses,
they're riding little wild boars in the battle.
That's pretty cool. Which I guess I just showed that
they did do a little bit of, you know, characters or storytelling
through their actions and what they looked like and how they
they dressed. And everything really neat thing
with that group. If you notice in the show that
the music that they play for all of the characters are like
traditional music, but when he's on screen is clan.
It's like techno. It's it's.
Yeah, they they had like beat breaks going for him completely.
Different to to like it's like to recognize that like he isn't
there like faction is so much out of the loop compared to
everybody else that it doesn't even get the music of everybody
else because they're so different.
I I thought that tip of the cap to that was such a great way to
just characterize a a group of people without telling us and
that little neat thing was just fantastic.
I love. I guess we can get into more
specifics than out of the personal, like arcs we had of
the different characters. Everyone, not everyone, but the
major characters sort of had arcs as one might expect from a
story. And, you know, things happened.
Yeah. And you know, there was
progression made. Who is your favorite out of the
the characters in like their personal journey?
My goat Shigamori. So kya.
Mori. So confident he had to fucking
die. She she was like see he needs to
be viewed as more crazy because he was like if the Hege clan is
going to fall, please just fucking kill me before that
happens. No, he was.
He was giving like he was doing the equivalent of giving Goku
his energy for the Spirit Bomb. Now how'd that work?
Well, he shouldn't. They shouldn't have fucked with
the warrior monks and burned down that pimple and 'cause I
think it does not like that sort of thing.
'Cause I think Gohan kills Sal but I don't know if the hanky
made it out OK. It's Yuval.
Was hiding her power level the entire time.
Crushed does. Anyone have an answer different
than Shigamori besides me? There are characters that like,
I like that. I wish we got like more of
'cause there's like hints of like something else.
On the Genji side, it was the the commander.
I couldn't tell if there were a guy or a girl 'cause it looked
like the character was wearing lipstick, but like, I didn't
know what like that that would have been cool to look at.
And then like those three girls that save Biwa, I think they're
'cause they were kind of meshed with the Genji commander too.
I think there was something there that I would have loved to
see explored. I think more than anything I
just, I'm kind of with Pat with like name blindness.
Normally I can remember characters names like nothing.
And I don't remember anybody's name from this show.
And I don't, I guess it's like a me thing, but like I had a
really hard time. Like, just like connecting to
anybody else that wasn't. B law.
So I I wouldn't say it's that, OK, You have Kiyomori Asumori
Muni Mori, Tomomori Kori Mori. Like that's how you're, it's
like, not names you're used to. Yeah.
And every name has the same. 2nd syllable like you can kind of
like, I don't know, I guess for me, like I can always just like
remove the Mori and you know, you just have like tomo and and
muni and stuff like that. But like, I can't, I can't do
it. My brain doesn't work.
It doesn't let me like put face to picture or face the name type
of thing. But it's like, it has to be
because of like the naming conventions and just my brain
now, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's an old
foreign naming convention that you know, but I think it makes
sense to struggle with it a bit. OK, well.
I was just going to say to a line with Pete.
I also wish that there was more of Atsum Mori.
I wish we got to see more of him and I believe it was the other.
The flute playing of the brothers was also like.
I wish, I wish we got more of the two of them like.
Exploring Oh yeah, like our little hinted a romance there.
Yeah right. But like, yeah.
Which I guess again is like the point of the story, that it all
ends in pain. But like you know, again the
point. Yeah, the point of the story is
like, really hope your grandfather wasn't a piece of
shit or you all have to die. That's the thing.
I really like Korle Mori. I sort of liked his little thing
for when, you know, he, he likes dancing and like theater and
stuff, but he's sort of forced onto the front lines to be a
general 'cause he's, you know, the grandson of the leader and
he kind of steps up, but he's able to also be like, wow, this
fucking sucks. Like, I found that like, very
interesting. Where I, I sort of when I was
first watching this, didn't think he was going to be like a
competent general, but he was a very good general and like, but
how he like didn't become like some sort of like rah rah army
guy. He sort of maintained some of
himself, but also was changed by it.
I thought was pretty interesting.
You know, I guess I, I haven't seen like a lot of things like
that were like a man who isn't particularly masculine steps up
and is like able to be like a good general until that one
battle that was he's like no one could be in those mountains.
Whoops, you know, But he he was definitely better than his
uncle. So who they, who the writers did
not like? Yeah.
And then I thought Tokoko was interesting as well.
I guess I would like to say where, you know, she's, you
know, the daughter not of an emperor, but of someone who was
like, more powerful than the emperor at the peak of his
power. Then gets married to an emperor
and then is like the mother to an emperor.
And then he's like the last surviving member of this family
and becomes a Buddhist nun at the end, which was, I like that
whole thing too. It was like showing how, like
most of the power that women had was the ability to be like, I am
now chastity. And then like men would have to
be like, oh fuck, you're a nun now.
OK, I guess I have to back off. So I thought that was
interesting too, 'cause I believe she tells that story
about how Kiamori was going after someone who did not like
him and became a nun instead of. Sort of like becoming a
concubine or whatever earlier on.
I think there's a lot of interesting characters here,
which makes sense if it's based off of like such an epic.
But I do agree that we don't get like a ton of any of it.
We just sort of get the surface level stuff I imagine in the
story. What?
What purpose do we think? Like, do we, do we think that
this author just wanted to tell this story or, or why?
But I guess like, why include Bewa?
If like what, like what's the purpose?
I guess like what, what are we doing here?
You know, like not actually, but like, you know what I mean?
Like, I guess I'm just trying to like think, I'm trying to
articulate my, my, my question better, but it's more just like,
why this story? Why do we think this story?
It was told like again, I maybe what I referenced earlier about
like showing a family and like a dynamic there.
But like, why do you why do you guys think that this story was
chosen and told? That's a great question.
Yeah, it's a deep one. Well, OK, I got to look at the
timelines because sometimes studio, OK, this does map out
correctly because we brought up Inuo.
A lot of times studios will do shows to like set up, like to
get practice or another project in the future.
So I don't know if this is, I mean, the fact that sign Saru
did this into NUO, I'm guessing there's some correlation like
the maybe they knew they were going to work on NUO so they
picked up a story like this, like get some practice in or
something like that. That's that's kind of like what
I think it is. I'm just guessing, but that's
just what it seems like. Yeah.
I think, I guess like in my head what it would be is like, you
know, if we equate this to, you know, some sort of medieval
period story or like epic that is told or like, you know, like
Beowulf or, you know, something that's more fantastical than
this. But like, you know, King Arthur,
something like that, where you can expect some amount like a
good portion of your audience right to know points A through
D. And so you just did like a
greatest hits of King Arthur and you were like, and we're gonna
add this fucking lute player who's gonna just be like really
cool and they're gonna sing some songs about it and it's gonna be
neat. Like that's sort of my view on
it. It's like this story that people
have heard 1 billion times, right?
Everyone knows about it. And so one at that point, people
like to put their own spins on things, you know what I mean?
Like you don't get the original story anymore because that's
been told to death. So you have some sort of twist
in it, you know, And then, you know, and sometimes that's bad,
like the Eoske, you know, but sometimes that's good and you
know. So I think that it was just sort
of a creative way to get passages from the story into the
anime as like her visions. And I think it's a sort of a
neat way to tell a story that that their audience is going to
be very familiar with. So the fact that we're just sort
of getting the SparkNotes of it is OK.
And that's supplemented for their core audience by the fact
that you have these very interesting visuals and
everything. Because I would suspect everyone
else can or not everyone else, but like your average Japanese
person who is watching this, right, who had a Japanese high
school education or whatever pin fill in those blanks because you
know, they're aware. It's like, you know, if they
talk like Hamilton, this is Hamilton.
That's a good. Point.
Yeah, yeah. No, I like that.
We got that. We.
Got or like a Greek tragedy or something along those lines.
Like I guess my my question was momentous, like what's what's
the moral of this story or the lesson that we were meant to
learn? But yeah, like.
The why all learn that that that nothing is permanent?
Yeah, I I like that. I like that.
Did it feel, I know it like no duh It it takes place in like a
Buddhist time. We've caught, we've caught Japan
at a very Buddhist time. But like, you know, the like, do
we think that it almost feels very like In Sync with the
Buddhist messaging? I guess like I don't know if I'm
phrasing that correctly, but like it's it, it almost feels
like it's trying trying to tell to align with what is often on
Buddhism. Well, let me tell you it is
that's the the source material is.
It was written by Buddhist monks originally.
It was like an oral history from the Bewa monks.
Right. Yeah, the Bewa players were the
first people to ever tell. The like to tell the story and
then it was written down and those were Buddhist monks.
So a lot of this is right. So like, that's again, part of
the reason that Kiamori is so villainized in this is because
he wasn't very nice to the Buddhists monks and stuff.
You know, like he, I think he was a Buddhist too, but like he
was willing to like ransack temples and like get revenge on
monks and stuff and like do some sort of, you know, borderline
taboo things within the religion.
And like, I guess there's a in the longer story, there's a tale
of where he like eats meat on like a Buddhist monk island or
something. And that's like viewed as a faux
pas because they're vegetarians or whatever.
And they were, they were like he was like stranded or something
with them. Anyway, point being, he did
something that was like bad to that to them.
Like a there's a lot of things again, like the thiever he had
that are like symbolic in this that aren't like real, right?
It's just he's so evil that he was burning up and people
couldn't stay in the same room as him.
Like, you know, he probably just died of being 70, you know, like
that's, you know, who knows? It just happens sometimes.
We have a very powerful rich man who has an island, and he's
stronger than emperors. I this is just Jeffrey Epstein.
I'm sorry. Like Kia Mori is just Jeffrey
Epstein, sorry. That's I don't know, probably
honestly. It seems that way.
The given what was socially acceptable at the time for
Richard. Powers who influenced history
more exactly. 1. Might ask like I don't know.
What yet? Look, there's not a whole era of
Japan called the Epstein era. You.
Don't know that yet. That's true.
That's his master plan. Yeah.
That's a good fucking point. That's true.
I didn't. Future Kaku.
I didn't. I didn't.
Future proof that that's not bad plan.
Kekaku means plan. Yeah, I'm just doing the bit
from the from the moon. I apologize.
But yeah, so like a lot of this like is Buddhist, right?
Like the impermanence of this, like earthly empire, the karma
built up by Qmori, other stuff. I'm not that familiar with
Buddhism. I'm assuming those two gods that
came were some sort of Buddhist characters, the bull and the
horse guy, you know, But you know, and then there's like the,
how the, the Buddhist religion protects the women from these
men, like by their ability to become nuns.
And so like, you know, it, it is kind of Buddhist propaganda just
from like the 1300s. So, and it might not even be
like propaganda as much as it's just like told from an extremely
Buddhist perspective and therefore is biased towards it,
you know, but like you. Got done.
OK, that that's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to
like be like rude, like I, I guess insensitive to the culture
aspect of it and like, not because it felt like that to me,
I guess while I was watching. And I was like, wow, they're
very like, it's just a very Buddhist perspective to be
taking about life and a message to really of yeah, like
nothing's permanent. And as you joked, Miles
apparently hope that your grandfather didn't be an evil or
else or else you will literally have to ask to die and then or
your father, in this guy's case, asked to die for redemption and
then maybe still not even get it.
We don't know. I don't know.
I feel like I've asked the last couple questions.
Does anyone else have anything? Any talking points?
I want to talk about the production.
I would. Oh yeah.
OK, so. Let's do it.
OK, awesome, because this show was absolutely stunning.
Like I'm so impressed by some of the things that they did and I I
appreciate because I didn't like I caught it on my first watch
through, but like really pay attention to it.
So Pat, you mentioned in the intro Nalco Yamada, the director
who did things like a silent voice Kay on a lot of the
properties from Kyoto Animation he's been a part of.
And then I forgot the the the soundtrack guy, but it's the
same guy who did the soundtrack for Ping Pong.
Devil May Crybaby is. That ushio keeps.
Get Ushio. Yeah, yeah.
So just like they got like just juggernauts in this production
team. And I think it like showed and I
heard it really well. But the thing I wanted to point
out that I want to give like my my like absolute highest honors
to is whoever does the art direction.
And they do this thing that I've only seen the sort of in Grimgar
where they do the 2D animation, but all of the backgrounds are
watercolors in in Hickey Montgotry.
They did this thing where the stylization of the background
art is a more simple pastel style.
But then having the the foreground being the traditional
2D animation and Polish and how that contrasted with like how
you just watch the show, I thought was incredible because
it didn't take away from your eyes looking past the care, but
you could still see how like, well, like made the background
is. And I just got to give its props
because it's it's very rare that I see art direction change
styles from or front to background.
And it just absolutely the music was just like incredible.
I mean, I think we all agree the OP was just like an Omega
banger. Like to me, it I love O PS that
set the tone and just the ah na na na na or whatever it is in
the beginning. Just like put me in a mood to
watch the show and I love it when when O PS do that.
And it's the same thing with like how E DS can sort of
influence the show as well. I don't think the Ed was as big
of a deal as like the OP, but if you think of something like
Mephesto from Oshinoco, like how important that Ed is, the show,
I love it when shows do that. So I think the show did it with
the OP and just really did a great job at setting up the show
for what it was. So I don't know if anybody else
had like their production flowers they want to give out.
So bad at production, like I, I thought it looked and sounded
pretty, but I just like, I'm so bad at the technical aspect of
all of this that like I, I just don't like you were talking
about like the music styles and stuff.
And this is something I would have never picked up on, like,
you know, unfortunately. Did you watch the show on like
ATV or with headphones? Both.
OK. I had to go back and forth
because of the time construction.
No, I didn't say. Yeah, OK, Yeah, OK.
Because like I definitely hear it way more when I'm like on my
computer versus my TV. So I was just wondering if that
was like a thing like if you don't pick up that stuff, but.
Yeah, if you don't have surround sound, then the sound direction
doesn't really matter that much, right?
In theory, maybe not with this show, but with other shows.
Right. So there you go.
I would say in terms of production, I think that the
style was very important to like what you mentioned, Pete, with
the the the watercolors. I think that they absolutely
nailed that. Is it my favorite style ever?
No, but I'm not. It's like ping pong, you know?
It's like it's the same. They did what they were trying.
To you know it's good, it's just not for you type of thing.
Yeah, absolutely. And I don't even think it was.
Yeah, like it's still prettier than ping Pong too.
Not not to diss ping pong randomly, but you know what?
I mean like I think Ping Pong's art style.
I don't know if I would call it pretty.
That's fair, That's fair. But like the watercolor?
Usage, Yeah, yeah, same with mobs too.
You're completely right. I think the they do a good job.
Giving. Characters facial the room for
facial expression as well. I think that they did a really,
really good job with that. But yeah, that's all I've got
that you didn't already say, because I agree entirely that
the show's production was a absolute highlight of it.
I did you guys watch sub or dub? Because I watched dub and I
thought the voice acting was very well.
Done. It was so good, the double I.
Like the double so. Good.
I was pleasantly surprised because I I didn't well, I guess
I shouldn't be surprised because it's a 2022 dub.
So it's like post post bad dub pre AI crap that we get
nowadays. Yeah, you know.
I just want to say like while I love the dub, like the sub is
also just like insanely stacked I think.
I don't think you can go wrong either way watching this.
Like you have Sayori Sayori Heyami as a supported character.
Like, come on, we're eating. My take on the production stuff,
by the way, just while we're there real quick.
I really enjoyed this quite a bit.
I thought that the I I love the OP like that is literally what
kind of hooked me at like the intro itself was great, very
stark like very like not slow, you know like I just watching
her dad get cut down was incredible, but.
I like it. Yeah, I loved every second of
it. The OP is really what hooked me.
And I think that the character design also drew me in quite a
bit. I mean, shows that take place,
like anime that takes place in this time can often suffer from
the fact that like, especially in the upper classes, like you
have like a very specific uniform that you see with like
the specific hat and, you know, robes and such.
And I think that they did a pretty good job of making
characters distinct. Like even background characters
we don't get the names of, we'll have like weird stuff going on
with their faces or like weird eyes or something like that.
And I just appreciate that. Like there's a lot of anime that
like wouldn't go out of their way to draw faces on every
character. They would just like, you know,
they're extras. They're getting blank faces like
look at like My Hero Academia or or Bungo stray dogs or something
from Bones. Like they're always doing that.
I don't blame them necessarily, but it's nice when the extra
effort is put in. And I think that, like, this
whole series feels like a labor of love from the entire
production team. Like the soundtrack, the
character designs, the animation.
Yeah, I think that the production on this is a plus.
And you know, it's just that Polish that's we've come to love
science sorrow for. I mean, yeah, the production
deserves all the praise that we give it.
I think it's so it's it is it's very cool.
Every aspect of it too. It's not like one part's strong
or not the other. All of it is so well balanced.
I think the the historical and just totally thought of this
too, like the the armor and things like that looked awesome.
I have no idea myself personally if they've got it perfectly
right or whatever. But even like during the fights
to the way they were positioning their boats and using Shields
and arrows and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, all that cool stuff was I, I take their word that
that was accurate or how it was told or how it was portrayed in
the historical narratives. So I think that's pretty sick
that they did a good job of adapting that as well, both
visually and I guess. Yeah, there we go.
Cool. Final thoughts.
I'm really good at this talking.
Thing that we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Double visually, double visual. It's because we got 2 odds to
see with two visuals, yeah, but yeah, that's two odds.
Miles, what are your final thoughts, if you have any?
And what's your final score for the?
Yeah, I, I had a good time with this.
I I generally always like science, sorry stuff.
And I like things like this that require me to look up a bunch of
historical bullshit in order to, like, contextualize it.
Like, I learned a lot about Japanese history from watching
this and the subsequent research and everything I did to have a
completely fumbling grasp of the political situation of this.
I think it's a good, interesting story.
I think that if if you like the the Small council meetings of
Game of Thrones, that this is for you.
That's your favorite part of that series, and I gave this an
8 out of 10. 8 out of 10. All right, let me add that to my
calculator while Pete gives his final thoughts and final score.
From a production value like this show is a 10 out of 10.
It blew me away from everything that I saw.
Visually, audibly, like just a well crafted, well polished
show. My biggest gripe of the show is
that this is a 800 to 1200 page book that is condensed into 11
episodes. The pacing is just horrendous.
It is horrendously faced. I it this it's cool that they're
like showcasing the story, but I don't think this is the medium
for like I I just, it's not even like it's like a historical
fiction thing or something like that.
It's like, I just don't think this story works to me.
I'm glad we got it and I'm glad that they put their full effort
in, but it's just I that it's kind of why I wouldn't recommend
this to anybody. But looking at like the bright
side, I thought like for a summary of what this story was,
they did a decent job at showcasing that outside of BWA,
I had troubles like really connecting and having fun with
other characters. So that can sort of be a lapse
and sort of my enjoyment in this show because I do like to attach
myself to characters. And while I like Biwa, I don't
think she was the strongest character I've seen in anime,
let alone this show. But it was a good time that I
mean, God, just like most of my points are just through
production, just like beautifully everything,
fantastic voice acting knocked out of the park.
I just did not like the basic. I'm going to give it a 7 just
because of all those other reasons.
But man, I just the pacing sucks.
I'm sorry. All right, all right, Jolene,
what about you? I liked this quite a bit.
I think that like I agree with Pete, the production on this was
fantastic for sure. Really enjoyed the voice acting
both dub and the sub for whatever.
I had to watch that as well because Crunchyroll was not
giving me any subtitles for the songs whenever I was watching
the English dub, which was annoying as shit.
I think that like overall the pacing was an issue.
It's a huge story, like it's an epic.
So I guess trying to tell all the details of it would have
been a bit difficult, but it would have been nice if we could
at least get like an idea of how much time had passed or
something like that. Like just put like a throw up a
little thing when you do a scene transition, like, you know, six
months later or give a year or, or like a location or something
like that. Literally just anything to clue
us in. But I understand that like this
is primarily made for people who probably know all this stuff
already and so it won't really be that big of a deal for them.
They're just trying to see like another telling of a story that
they enjoy. Overall for me, I think that
this is like a, I'd say like a 7 out of 10.
All righty. Yeah, I don't have much more to
add. I think we did a pretty good job
covering it. I feel pretty confident in my
score of an 8 out of 10. I'm I I really enjoy historical
shows. I love the political of the
politics being played. I wish we got a little bit more
of that and actually saw hey be involved in it in some capacity.
I think that that's what really frustrated me because yeah, like
I think Pete, you mentioned it earlier, did just feel like a
documentary, which I love documentaries, but like, without
her involvement in theory, this is just a documentary.
So I am not going to, I, I don't think it was perfect by any
means, but I really, really had more fun with it than I thought
I would after the first few episodes.
And I was, you know, I think it really picks up as you, as the
characters develop more and more.
So that brings our final total to an average of a 7 1/2 between
four of us. Wow, that math was really easy.
I didn't even think about the fact that we gave 2 eights and
two sevens. I, you know, again, I'll get
more experience with that six years from now, but we have
yeah, 7.5, which is .3 lower than the Mao score of a 7.8.
Not a lot of users on this. Was this like slept on when it
came out? Like 28,000 feels low.
It's not like it's not for the mainstream.
Like how many people like enjoyed traditional historical
anime. 10% of jiu jitsu Kaizen watchers.
Fair enough. Fair enough.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about, I guess what the Western
versus Eastern audience to like. The difference there would be
pretty massive, I'm guessing, but yeah, sweet.
All right, Well, that wraps up our discussion of the Hakee
story or Hakee Monogatry. Miles, we have two core week
coming up in however long it is. What 2 core show did we vote on
and are we watching? OK wait one second because I
just realized Jolene didn't vote and I would like her to vote.
Well, Kat's not here, so I had to do his thing.
That's my bad. He already did his thing too
during. The yesterday already did his
thing too. I, I, I have.
So yeah, I the only thing is I think if possible, I would like
all of us to vote because that is the way the nominations are
on even footing. Because I think technically, if
you want your show to win, the smartest play is to not vote.
And so it's. True.
I do not believe that Jolene will change this based off of
what I know of her taste, but alas.
I just I sense it. OK, Oh my God, it's so
different. No, you changed nothing.
It's wait, did this get a legacy point now?
No, nothing. Got anything?
Wow. It's made it really close
though. OK, we will be watching.
OK, I'm just gonna go. Oh yeah, yeah.
You do 3rd through 1st. Yeah, so we had a tie for third
and a tie for second. So everything gets a shout out.
Shout out to Yonah and Code Ghios for coming in 3rd.
Shout out to Hig and Orb for coming in second.
We will be watching Cowboy Beat Bop and yeah, that's, I want to
say when I before I reminded people today, Cowboy Bebop was
in dead last by like a lot. And then today, all the last
minute people were like, I want to watch Cowboy Bebop.
So I'm excited to watch that again, damn it.
Second time in a year. The bin is the bin finally dies.
It's time and you'll see the people reacting in chat already
to this. It is so exciting.
It's not even my show and I'm going to get up here and parade
it. This is fantastic.
I'm so excited to talk. About You're watching the
Netflix. My next tattoo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's April Fools are coming
early, right? Yeah, no, I'm so excited.
I love this show. I've watched re watched it like
four or five different times. I can't wait to rewatch it
again. I don't know if I would
recommend the sub or the dub. I think they both have merit,
but I would say the dub is a classic.
It's the dub, it's the dub every single time.
What do you mean it's the dub? It's.
Fair enough. I mean, yeah, we'll get into
here. I've.
Literally never heard anyone mention the sub like ever.
It's good. Yeah, I liked it, but fair
enough. We'll watch the dub or I think
you should watch the dub then I'll fine, I'll.
I think it's the most influential anime dub of all
time probably. It's pretty damn good.
It is pretty damn good, but sweet.
All right, Well, that is what we're watching.
And we don't need to vote because we have a special
surprise that totally no one knows about planned for you guys
on April Fool's Day for our followers.
It's going to be in May. I think it's going to drop like
mid-april. Yeah, so it's April Fool's and
it's the only episode that's coming out in April.
So there we go. I think I don't know what day
exactly are we? We'll figure that out later.
But so we're not doing nominations this time.
But then we will come back next week and do cat nominations,
which are going to be shows that we like totally.
So yeah, let's guess that wraps up Watch Club.
Thank you so much for listening and.
Please tell what we're watching or the April Fools.
Are we doing the bit? No.
Yeah. Well, it's a surprise 00.
OK, I you actually I didn't think because you were joking.
Well, it's not a surprise though do do do people not know the bit
at this? Point.
I mean, there could be new viewers.
That's true. There are new viewers.
Go and check out which two episodes we've done that don't
fit what we normally do on this channel for Watch Club and
perhaps with the. K Pop.
Powers of deductive. Did we do K pop?
Oh yeah, we did. That's true.
Yeah, yeah. Link click.
That's another one, yeah. We're doing Ruby.
We're doing Ruby two weeks from now.
So there we go. Yeah, that's what.
It is That would be an April Fool's joke, because I would be
cracking jokes the entire time I.
Wouldn't wait. Did we ever do ice queendom on
this or did? No, we're doing like the YouTube
series too, by the way. Not OK.
I read. Yeah, I read.
Not the anime, yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to
remember why I bothered finished watching it.
Like 'cause I had like the last episode on deck for like.
That was a Shark Tank. It's a Shark Tank.
No the. 2nd to last episode is the best episode.
Who is the last episode? Oh, that's your best episode?
The show sucks. That's the best episode.
I thought the fight in the penultimate episode was pretty.
Funny. I mean, the fight was good.
I was. Like, yeah.
It's just like regular Ruby, the fights are sick and like things
are fun but it's the poorly put together.
And yeah. Yeah, that, that you, you.
Re watched it. You re watched it because of our
Shark Tank episode. You finished it because I was
like, hey, please finish it. And you did so, and then I
watched all of Revu Starlight for you in compensation, so it
worked out. And you got to watch Ayaka
Miles. You watched Utna?
What did I say? Review.
Starlight Review Starlight, which I was.
Impaired, which yeah, to be fair, similar.
Which we did for Watch Club 2 like 4 years ago.
At this point I was surprisingly low on review.
Starlight for me, but a rare world.
You don't like you don't like lesbians.
I understand. Yeah, no, I I love lesbians.
I wish there were some in the show.
Mike Green. From downtown Art.
Please, Pat's got no golf, I got to go eat.
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So you'll get an episode late March.
So I'm going to take a break. So thank you so much for all the
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