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Home me, now I'm finally 
fulfilled. 

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This is what my heart's been 
waiting for. 

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Home me, now I'm finally 
fulfilled. 

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Pick me up to dance and pick me 
up again. 

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, 
welcome to what do you say 

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anime. 
I am your host Peter. 

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A few weeks ago Miles and myself
did an episode talking about all

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the things that we are grateful 
for and thankful for in anime 

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and that was a whole bunch of 
fun. 

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How about things we love like 
seasonal formatting, Uma Musume 

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and sexy old people both. 
All things that we giveth we 

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must also take it. 
So on today's episode, we are 

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flipping the script and getting 
a lot of things off of our 

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chests with what I'm dumping as 
like our hot takes rating, 

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whatever else is devolving from 
this episode. 

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The episode, which kind of going
to be like a makeshift episode 

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during the episode was a lot of 
fun, but we wrote down a lot of 

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stuff that we that we want to 
say and then sometimes people 

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like our rants and our stupid 
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So I thought this would be like 
a very, very fun episode to do. 

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I also make the a point that 
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like MASH on or hate on our 
subject that we mentioned that 

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makes us sound like idiots. 
I just want to say by the end of

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the day this is all for good 
fun. 

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You the listener have the best 
taste in the world because you 

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are you and you are beautiful. 
But with that out of the way, if

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you think Chainsaw Man is bit as
fuck or if you want to beat Rudy

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with a brick, you have made it 
to the right place. 

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Miles, this was an episode that 
you pitched to me, so I want to 

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get an idea of sort of what you 
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during this episode. 
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So, you know, there are a few, a
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I think like the main thing 
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of like a plant your flag, you 
know, what are your takes? 

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And you're just like, I don't, I
don't care what the facts say. 

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I don't care what reality says 
or what the community thinks, 

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any of that. 
I know this to be true. 

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I will die on this hill. 
Bury me here. 

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This is what I think about 
subject XY or Z, and we're going

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to try and it's always hard, you
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be cold, but we're going to try 
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little against the current or or
at least our perception of it, 

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so. 
Yeah, 100%. 

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It might come off as like 
elitist at some points. 

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I think especially for me, 
that's why I, I don't care at 

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the end of the day, like this is
all for fun. 

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So like I, I am not, I might be 
dying on like my anime hill, but

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in my real life hill, I'm not 
dying on any of these takes. 

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But it, it sometimes it's like 
when you're involved with 

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everything and you see some of 
the stuff that goes on, it just 

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gets repetitive and old and it's
just like, man, sometimes people

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just need to shut up. 
So that goes for us as a 

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podcast. 
We talk all the time. 

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Sometimes we need to shut up 
too. 

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So, Miles, did you want to start
or did you want me to start? 

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You know what? 
I'll start. 

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Take it away. 
OK, great. 

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So you know, we were, we were 
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earlier about people's hot takes
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of coincidentally, but I'm going
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about it. 
You do not know if that sub is 

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good or not. 
You have no fucking clue, right?

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You're reading some texts, 
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actually one don't know what the
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idea what words they're 
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You know someone who speaks like
a very little about of Japanese.

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Sometimes the stuff just does 
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It's like I've heard someone say
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and it said a different sentence
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So like come on, you know? 
I don't know. 

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The reason you think dubs can be
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you're used to people speaking 
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what's fucking cringe or not. 
You have no idea what's cringe 

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in Japanese. 
You have no idea if that voice 

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line was cringe or not. 
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Is that the ignorance is bliss 
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I don't know. 
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You don't know, but yeah, you 
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If it's good, you don't know 
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you know, thing? 
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inflection because it's 
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from it. 
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That's whatever. 
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because I love this take so 
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thoroughly disagree with you a 
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But good, good, that's the point
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Because we just did The Rock ago
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best voice acting performance 
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And you're like, you know what 
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But it's like, it's like, what 
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It's OK. 
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because I was having a 
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in anime about what makes a good
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And I said, I think I try to 
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because I am smooth brain where 
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the show, I think that's a good 
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is good. 
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But if you catch my drift, like 
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You're not just paying attention
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dialogue and stuff like that. 
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oh, yeah, I remember this. 
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indication, at least a good 
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soundtrack is good for voice 
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It's like if it, if something 
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this sounds different, maybe, 
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different from outside the realm
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probably acquit it with it being
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Not I'm saying this out loud. 
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not. 
I just like that it's different.

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Yeah, So I mean, there are, you 
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like a season ago, right? 
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that voice acting is good. 
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characters, you know, the 
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you know, so you can we'd be 
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Sundaray now, and she sounds 
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to voice acting and it's like 
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syllables you emphasize, you 
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that stuff and you just can't, 
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it's like, like pitch inflection
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I don't fucking know how it 
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of, you know, most of the people
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you know, So I've always thought
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people are like, oh, this is my 
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performance. 
It it, which is fine. 

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If you like, had to talk about 
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I don't know how you do it. 
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movie it was. 
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serious role that he was 
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for and someone like I was like 
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Driver is such a good actor. 
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pieces of it and it's just like 
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some people it does. 
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take it out of context like 
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stupid. 
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It's just like, I don't know if 
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like it. 
So smooth brain for me. 

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Well, I love that take. 
That's a fun take. 

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OK, good, good. 
OK, my take. 

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Yeah, we'll start on a journey, 
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point, I promise. 
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It was called Colossal Con N if 
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and live in the area to go to a 
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convention, do it. 
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But if you've been to if you've 
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the one con you've been to 100 
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People set up panels during the 
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for. 
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to get introduced to a whole 
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between other like nerdy fandoms
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Like somebody was doing like a 
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doing like a Stevens universe 
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are all there. 
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got to be a certain point where 
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introducing or whatever that 
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anime convention. 
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So you apply and you might not 
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apply. 
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going to get to is that if you 
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focus should be on the anime. 
Like it's cool that we like hell

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of a boss and whatever. 
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Love that shit. 
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Are you ready? 
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OK, good. 
Continue. 

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Continue. 
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me crazy and I didn't tweet 
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architecture. 
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this is going to be a panel on 
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you know, like real life 
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anime. 
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the panel sounded like. 
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unique panel. 
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going to this. 
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morally just mostly just about 
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I'm like, OK, you had me in the 
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make it so it's like 
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And then the 1st 10 minutes of 
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about air vents in the current 
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And I said, what the fuck are 
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telling me about air in air out 
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Kalahari resorts. 
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thought that was cool. 
That was the dumbest shoot I've 

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ever seen in anime convention 
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focused on the anime. 
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different phantoms and shit. 
But there got there has to be a 

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point where you are reviewing 
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talk about air ducts and anime 
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their panels be rejected, they 
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convention. 
Like that is up there with not 

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asking for pictures instead of 
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That's the same level of this 
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Like it was insane. 
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that the like your your nerdy 
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Not all nerdy fandoms are 
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OK, so I I'm just going to 
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takes. 
I'm going to put this out of 

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order. 
Anime is just kind of like a 

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fucking vibe and people 
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whatever can be in anime. 
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I wasn't planning on including 
air ducts, but I'm going to. 

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I actually just got some air 
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They're anime. 
You will love anime, you will 

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love the dudes panel. 
No, but it's it's the thing 

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where it's like, I think it's I.
I heard to say that is 

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ridiculous. 
Like honestly, like it's not 

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even adjacent. 
It's yeah, I mean. 

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It it's shocking how little 
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anime conventions and I like, I 
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If you watch one anime year, I I
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But it's like when you go there 
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like if you went to like a 
baseball convention, they start 

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talking fantasy football. 
It's like, sure, there are 

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parallels to it, but like I'm 
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Like when I'm there at an anime 
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should be focused on that. 
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know, I feel like I'm taking 
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just like, this is like the big 
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nothing to do with anything that
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And but I agree that to a point 
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And I and I love the mix. 
It's great, but we got to gate 

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keep some. 
I, I would say so like my, my 

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thought would be like something 
like hell of a boss. 

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Honestly fucking sure. 
Like I'm so fine with that. 

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That was like the main thing at 
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the hell of a boss and what's 
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Like those were like the two 
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convention, which I was like, 
whatever. 

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Like it's huge. 
I get it. 

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Yeah, but like that's like. 
Yeah, I like, you're a small, 

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you're a small con. 
You got to fill these things. 

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The architecture thing I have to
say is really fucking funny. 

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It's really funny. 
It's it's a gotcha. 

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The he got me so good. 
I thought it was going to be 

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such a cool panel. 
It was one of the worst panels 

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I've ever been to and. 
You didn't leave. 

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I left 15 minutes into it but 
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talking about he like had 
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that we were staying at and like
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roof and was talking about it. 
I was just like, what are you 

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doing? 
OK. 

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That is. 
That is really interesting, 

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yeah. 
Like I, I, I feel because like 

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one thing about like anime and 
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could be whoever you want, 
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It doesn't matter. 
It's so welcoming itself, but it

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gets to the point where it's too
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You have to draw the line. 
I don't know if it's a hot take 

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where it's like we have to 
gatekeep, but this is mine. 

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We should be gatekeeping anime 
conventions to fandoms. 

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That makes sense. 
And because like panels, my 

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buddy's panel was declined. 
It was something like anime and 

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like fighting games related. 
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But this guy's panel on air 
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me, drove me crazy where it's 
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this is sort of the 
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during the day. 
And I just feel like we need, 

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it's necessary to put our foot 
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And that is so funny, dude. 
It's so. 

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Funny it doesn't make any sense 
where it's like and there's like

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80 people at this panel and all 
like 30 of them left within the 

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10 first 10 minutes. 
But like that's yeah, that's 

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that's my first hot thing We got
to start gatekeeping cons I. 

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That was my thought. 
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because like I I would be in the
like, whatever the fuck you want

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is like an anime as long as it's
like an animated TV show. 

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So when you were talking about 
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ready to just hit you with it, 
but it was about airtime, which 

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is so is the furthest thing you 
know from that. 

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Cause like, OK, here's a hot 
take here. 

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Here's here's how all all 
encapsulate the five part John 

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Wick is an anime the live action
movie John Wick. 

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I think Fast and the Furious is 
an anime so I get it. 

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Yeah, OK. 
Yeah. 

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OK. 
So like that, that's like my 

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thought, right, That there's 
like a, there's like a mood to 

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some of it. 
And some anime isn't an anime 

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like March comes in like a lion.
Wow, OK, isn't you're a hoe? 

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But yeah, I don't know, I I just
like the like the general, like 

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to me, the gate, the gatekeeping
gets so weird where you'll see 

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things like the Rick and Morty 
anime or the Scott Pilgrim 

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anime. 
Like Mal will like not let them 

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on even though 1 is like made by
science or whatever. 

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And like to me that's just so 
insane. 

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It's like it's an anime by any 
fucking definition. 

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You're just salty that globalism
exists. 

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You know, I was thinking about 
adding a hot take where like Mal

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excluding like Scott Pilgrim is 
perfectly fine. 

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No, it's not. 
No, it's. 

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Not that I changed, I could. 
No, I wanted to do it because 

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like that's such a like, it 
doesn't, it shouldn't matter. 

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I I like it just for the fact 
that they are so headstrong on 

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excluding like Western media 
from it. 

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But. 
Only I respect it. 

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Even though I disagree with it, 
I respect it. 

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We're going to have, it's going 
to be so fucking stupid. 

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We're going to have Star Wars 
Visions 1 and Star Wars Visions 

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3 on Mal and not Star Wars 
Visions 2 because it included 

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like directors and studios from 
like South America and other con

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and stuff. 
And it's, it's so, it's so 

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stupid. 
Yeah, it's. 

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So stupid. 
Yeah, You know, so I like. 

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I would love somebody who has 
that take that agrees with it to

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let me know why they have that 
take because I, I kind of just 

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want to throw it out there just 
for kicks and giggles, but that 

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was what I could even bullshit 
my way through that to play 

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devil's advocate. 
That's like, the argument I've 

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seen is like, it needs to be 
made for a Japanese audience. 

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And it's like who the fuck are 
the Mal moderators? 

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If you look at like Netflix, 
like statistics, like the most 

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popular show on like Netflix is 
like K dramas. 

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It's like it doesn't need to be 
made for a fucking they watch 

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everything. 
It's not like they're only a 

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like, I don't know. 
There was there was a poll about

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like what Japan's favorite anime
was like, I don't know how many 

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years ago, 10 years ago or 
something. 

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And SpongeBob 'cause to them to 
in Japan, SpongeBob is an anime.

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So it's like you have to, you 
have to have this. 

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It's so weird. 
You're like, we're not actually 

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doing the real Japanese culture.
We're like anything that's 

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animated is a thing we're doing.
Like it has to be, not. 

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Yeah, it has. 
To be. 

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Yeah, it is. 
It's so bizarre. 

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Yeah. 
Have you seen the Japanese 

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SpongeBob by any chance, 'cause 
the the guy, the voice actor who

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played SpongeBob I think passed 
away this year. 

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Incredible. 
I know we were talking about 

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voice acting before, Yeah. 
I know you're, you're, you're a 

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really big fan of his 
performance. 

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You really like the way he said,
like, bring it around town. 

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You're only good in this player 
internal. 

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Countdown it's yes love these 
some Japanese SpongeBob. 

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It's great voice acting. 
I will not hear any takes 

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otherwise. 
Yeah, no, it's and it's better 

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than the English, even though 
the Japanese would be the like 

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the dubbed over one or whatever.
Yes, 100%. 

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You're up next. 
What you got for me? 

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Oh goodness, yeah, I guess I, I 
kinda am. 

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OK, so my next my next take is, 
and this is something that I've 

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espoused in or so I read it 
before, but it's something that 

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I do, I firmly believe. 
And it's you like Mecca anime, 

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all of you, every single fucking
one of you, because all I hear 

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is people saying they don't like
Mecca and then like all of their

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favorite anime are Mecca. 
And it's like, what the hell do 

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you do? 
You don't? 

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Why is Mecca different than like
comedy or something? 

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Like how many people if like 
you're, if you have even Gellion

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or Tapaturger and Lagann or Code
Gillos in your top whatever, do 

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you like Mecca? 
See you. 

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There's tons of there's tons of 
people in our discord and just 

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in the community. 
People don't like big robots for

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some reason, which is whatever. 
But then it's like 3 of their 

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top 25 shows like, OK, Pete, 
let's do you. 

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Let's literally let's let's 
break this down here for you. 

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OK. 
You got my top 100 for you. 

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What's your Oh yeah, How many 
are in your top 25? 

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That are Mecca. 
I have the Evangelion rebuilds 

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at 8:00. 
OK. 

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I have that doesn't count well. 
No. 

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What is it? 
Well, they're not no, they're 

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not Mecca's, no. 
What Pete, What's the show? 

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It's Pluto, but they're not 
Mecca's. 

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OK. 
No, no, those are Andrew. 

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That's fine. 
Tokyo at 20. 

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OK. 
And I think that is it. 

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Yeah, that's it for Mecca. 
So I have two in my top 20. 

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OK, so 10% of your top 20 is 
Mecca. 

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That's probably not that bad for
any given genre. 

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You know, I don't know that's. 
Pretty good like. 

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Yeah, and like, would you say 
you're a big Mecca fan? 

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I always say that I I don't hate
it, but I don't actively search 

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it out. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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It's to me, it's this thing 
where people will always say 

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they don't like Mecca whenever 
I'm trying to like, hey, you 

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should watch like Gundam, 
whatever. 

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But they actually fucking do. 
They do like Mecca. 

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They, you know, someone will be 
like, oh, I don't like Mecca, 

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and I'll be like, wait a minute,
do you have that fucking trapped

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in an Atomic game at a nine for 
some reason? 

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That's a Mecca. 
I haven't had. 

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Kids yeah OK see you know it was
like, well it's like our our 

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dear viewer and person who helps
me make games. 

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Preston is like don't like 
Mecca. 

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It's like his seventh highest 
rated genre or something. 

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It's, you know, so I just, I 
don't know why Mecca gets this 

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different thing than being like,
than anything else. 

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You know what I mean? 
No one's like, I've said this 

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before and people been like, 
actually, but no one's ever 

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like, oh, I don't like swords. 
I don't like any animated swords

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in it or like instruments, like,
yeah, you do. 

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So like, you know, it's just a 
plot device. 

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It's fine. 
I don't know What. 

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What are your thoughts there, 
Pete? 

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I think it's funny because like 
a lot of times when people that 

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like say like they don't like 
mechas is because like I don't 

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really like how they have like 
60 some episodes and then you 

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know, they have like 3 episode 
long Mac battles and then you 

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watch it and the Mac battles are
like 3 minutes long. 

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Everything else is like 
political warfare, scheming, 

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character drama behind the 
scenes. 

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It's like that's why when the 
Witch from Mercury was like 

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pitched was that nobody said 
Gundam, everyone just said witch

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for Mercury and I think it 
tricked people into watching 

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witch for mercury because no one
said the first part And I think 

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if they did it would pull 
people. 

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This is also a theory that I 
have on like a bunch of 

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different things where it's like
the they have it in their mind 

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that they're not going to like 
it if they have robots. 

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It's like the same thing with 
like if people like how many 

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people in the world would stop 
reading one piece if it was 

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labeled a shoujo? 
Same thing everything else. 

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How many people do you 
realistically think would just 

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straight up stop watching it or 
reading it because it's labeled 

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something is? 
I I don't, I don't think anyone 

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would like stop, but in a world 
where it is labeled as that, I 

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think less people would like 
start and and I, I tell I've 

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told the story. 
If you I don't know if I've ever

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told the story on our podcast, 
oddly enough, but skipping 

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loafer signing right, but like. 
Everyone thinks it's a shojo, 

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yeah. 
Usually it it it gives off, you 

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know it it it gives shojo vibes,
right like. 

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Oh, for sure, yeah. 
Some of the art style for sure 

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does, like the chibi moments and
stuff like that. 

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That's way more. 
Yeah, so. 

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There was like a thread on Mal 
that was like, is this a shojo? 

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And then it was like, I don't 
want to watch a shojo but I want

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to watch this show. 
What should I do? 

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And it's like, what are you 
doing? 

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What are you like? 
And that's me for like anything 

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like just who cares if it's 
like, oh, I don't never say I 

445
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,800
don't like X blanketly. 
You know, there are a lot. 

446
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,880
There's some things we can say. 
There's some things. 

447
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,880
As far as like genres and stuff 
go, you know what I mean? 

448
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,880
Yeah, Yeah. 
OK. 

449
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,240
Fair enough. 
Yeah, I won't put you in the box

450
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,120
right now, bud. 
There are some things I. 

451
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,400
Yeah, no, that's fair. 
That's, that's, that's true. 

452
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,480
I I, you know, as far as like, 
you know, like, I don't know, 

453
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,000
there's a lot of Isakai I don't 
like, but you know, I'm not 

454
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,360
going to, if something sounds 
interesting to me, I'm not going

455
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:10,040
to not watch it because it is an
Isakai or I'm not going to not 

456
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,560
watch it because it's, you know,
one of Pete's stupid shows where

457
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,440
nothing happens. 
Like, I'll definitely give it a 

458
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,960
try, but that, yeah, that's sort
of like I, you know, I, I don't 

459
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,120
know, it's weird because I feel 
like everyone agrees with this. 

460
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,800
And then there are like a slight
sub genre of things that people 

461
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,280
will disagree with it on. 
Like a lot of my casual friends 

462
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,160
and stuff. 
Getting them to watch a romance 

463
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,880
would be like fucking 
impossible, regardless of how 

464
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,200
good it is, regardless of it's 
the fact that they like ROM com 

465
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,240
movies that are English or 
whatever. 

466
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,360
You know, it's just like, no, 
it's this thing or you know, 

467
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:53,040
like, oh, I like action anime. 
Oh, here's one where robots 

468
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,920
fight each other. 
Oh, I don't like it when the 

469
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,320
robots fight each other. 
Do you ever watch a show where 

470
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,360
the robots fight each other? 
No, like maybe you do. 

471
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,960
Who fucking knows? 
I don't know if I have a steal 

472
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040
something from you but you've 
had like a hot take that's been 

473
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,400
stuck in the back of my head for
like 3 years. 

474
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,680
OK. 
Where like I agree for like 85% 

475
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,760
of it. 
And it's that people need to be 

476
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,400
told what they like and don't 
like because because they cannot

477
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,360
make that decision for 
themselves. 

478
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,920
And I think that's like so spot 
on that like it, it comes with 

479
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,720
like the what people consume in 
media in general. 

480
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,920
I feel like especially in our 
sphere where it's like, if it's 

481
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,080
not, if it's manga, like I feel 
like so many people will refuse 

482
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,560
to read something if it's not in
Shonen Jump, or they will refuse

483
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,560
to watch something if it's not 
made by Studio Moppa. 

484
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,400
It's just like people need to be
like people want. 

485
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,600
It's not only do they need to, 
but they also want to be told 

486
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,840
what to watch and what to read 
because that's what the masses 

487
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,200
are consuming compared to what 
they actually want to watch, 

488
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040
which is making their own 
decisions for themselves. 

489
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,760
Yeah, I, I, I think there's like
an anxiety around like I get it.

490
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,560
So I don't get to read a lot of 
books and I like reading books, 

491
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,520
right? 
But like I just don't always 

492
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,880
have the time to sit down and 
like read something. 

493
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,040
And so I tend to be pretty safe 
when I'm selecting which book 

494
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160
I'm going to read next because 
there's like that risk involved 

495
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,320
or whatever. 
So like, on one hand, I do get 

496
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,440
it because like you don't want 
to invest your, you know, if you

497
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,080
watch 3 anime a year or 
whatever, you don't wanna invest

498
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,880
your time in a thing that you 
might not like. 

499
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,440
On the other hand, it's worth it
in my opinion, because you're 

500
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,160
expanding all the things that 
you could potentially like and 

501
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,480
like the top of every genre or 
demographic or whatever is 

502
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,640
probably gonna be pretty good. 
Like regardless of what it is, 

503
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,160
you know, it it'll it'll 
probably be good. 

504
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960
You know, so I think you just 
like sometimes you need to not 

505
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,280
tell people what you like, 
though. 

506
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,560
I do like that. 
I worded like that you need to 

507
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,680
push people out of their comfort
zone, you know, and be like, 

508
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,520
hey, I promise you, you're going
to enjoy this. 

509
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,160
Here you go. 
Yes, that sort of. 

510
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,680
That kind of ties into like my 
other one that I want, OK. 

511
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,680
Go, let's go. 
But this is so it's like it's 

512
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,720
not like a attack on like any 
one person, but it's I actually 

513
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,760
did like a rant on this I think 
earlier this year, sort of like 

514
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,240
what I was watching and seeing 
within our realm, not just like 

515
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,800
podcasting, but like anime 
Youtubers and stuff like that. 

516
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,320
Is that, and this is just in 
general, doesn't have to be like

517
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,880
anime related, but like it sucks
me when I'm like involved with 

518
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,880
it was like people are more 
worried. 

519
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,320
I, I like, how do I, how do I 
phrase this as like a hot take? 

520
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,080
But like, I guess how do I, I 
don't know if it's like a hot 

521
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,240
take now that I think about it. 
Like I don't think it's that 

522
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,440
much of a hot take at all. 
You know what? 

523
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,040
No, we're, we're we're fucking 
rolling here. 

524
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,200
OK, Tell me what it is. 
I'll tell you if it's hot or 

525
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,640
not. 
I'll give you a hot O meter. 

526
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Trent put in the hot O meter. 
Hot O meter. 

527
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,000
It's like it's like the meters 
that like 4 KS or like how loud 

528
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000
are you? 
You get louder. 

529
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, help or whatever. 

530
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,560
Well, it's just like people are 
so worried about not making the 

531
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,280
content that they want, but the 
content that will get clicks. 

532
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,840
And it's like that. 
But it's like it's more for like

533
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,680
the people that aren't making 
like a living off of this. 

534
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,720
And I watch their content and 
it's like they're so not 

535
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,120
passionate about like what 
they're talking about compared 

536
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:38,160
to when they talk about their 
other passions and shows and 

537
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,800
mangas that they're reading or 
whatever. 

538
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
Where it's like you are so much 
more involved in the shit that 

539
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,600
you like compared to what's 
popular. 

540
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,560
And I just think like it gets 
into a, a, we get into like this

541
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,600
sphere where it's just like 
recycled garbage of the same 

542
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680
thing. 
And it's like right now, even 

543
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,120
though like I love Don to Don, 
like don't get me wrong, Don Don

544
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,000
is a great show. 
But I think last Saturday I saw 

545
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,520
like 6 people drop Don to Don 
videos. 

546
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,120
I was like, oh cool. 
Like I'll I'll check them out 

547
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360
and see like what they're doing.
And you just click it and it's 

548
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880
like you are obviously making 
this video because it's the 

549
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,200
hottest property right now. 
It's like and everything you are

550
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,880
saying right now is just 
nonsense. 

551
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,000
It's just Oh my God, he stole 
his testicles. 

552
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,040
We haven't seen an anime ever 
where a guy stole his testicles 

553
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,760
and it's like daunted on is the 
most ground breaking anime of 

554
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,800
2024. 
It's like, no, it's fucking not 

555
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,400
like it's a great show, but like
I'm a shout Rob even though he's

556
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,880
my my boy show and showdown love
Rob. 

557
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:43,360
He did a video about how da da 
da is like changing the anime 

558
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,640
sphere essentially of this one 
anime is changing everything. 

559
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,960
80% of his video is on the 
manga. 

560
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,520
And I just said, Robert my man, 
your content is fun, but these 

561
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,680
like click baiting shit that you
are doing is just getting so 

562
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040
old. 
And I don't know if he's just 

563
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,000
like me old man yelling at the 
clouds. 

564
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000
But if you have like a click 
bait YouTube video, like I'm not

565
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080
going to click it. 
Like it's just like, I don't 

566
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,920
know, I feel like it, it's like 
a combination because like I get

567
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,680
it as we, we do, we drop a 
seasonal episode the week after 

568
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,480
the season ends. 
Like I get it. 

569
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Like I, I try to be on top of 
the ball with like what's hot 

570
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,520
and what not. 
Like that's not what I'm like 

571
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880
whatever about because like when
we go through shows, if I don't 

572
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,760
like it, I'll talk to you about 
3 minutes. 

573
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,560
I'll say it's men and give it a 
5 and move on. 

574
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,120
It's like these people making 
like 15 minute videos on Oh my 

575
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,960
God, you have to watch this 
show. 86 is the best thing ever.

576
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,720
And it's just like, it's not. 
And I don't know that's that's, 

577
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,880
it's more like a rant, I guess 
more than just like a hot take 

578
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,560
or anything like that. 
But it's like I've been seeing 

579
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,400
it a lot lately and it's just, 
it's just, I don't know, it's 

580
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,400
cool that you're getting clicks 
and notoriety. 

581
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,160
I think your content is boring. 
Yeah, I, I mean, not, I don't 

582
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,120
think that's necessarily a hot 
take, right. 

583
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Like if you're not passionate 
about something, don't make 

584
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,760
content about it is a it's a 
freezing cold take. 

585
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Yeah, this is more of a rant 
than let's back up. 

586
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,680
This is not a hot take. 
This is just get something off 

587
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,360
my chest part. 
What I'll I'll I'll give a hot 

588
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,520
take version of it. 
Honestly, those fucking useless 

589
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,440
videos. 
I think they're kind of cool and

590
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,480
useful. 
So like when you're hype about 

591
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,640
something, it's just kind of fun
to listen to people and also 

592
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,680
hype about it, even if it's not 
adding anything to the 

593
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,680
discussion, even if it's just 
like, I really like Dana, Dana. 

594
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120
And they just say that for 15 
minutes and they're like, it's 

595
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,560
the best. 
And they never explain why. 

596
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,440
It's kind of fun. 
Like, you know, my reaction 

597
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,440
would be like after a sports win
or something, right? 

598
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Like, you know, like the Colts 
win game, imagine. 

599
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,080
And you know, then you're just 
you're just listening and you're

600
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,760
just like, oh, Anthony, you're 
just going to you know, 

601
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,280
whatever, Who fucking cares? 
None of this matters. 

602
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,960
And you just like say whatever 
and you listen to everyone who 

603
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,160
has an opinion about that as 
long as it's positive. 

604
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040
And as soon as someone disagrees
with you, you turn it the fuck 

605
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,800
off, right. 
So like. 

606
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,400
I, I, I feel like I need to like
be a little bit more specific by

607
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,760
what I'm saying because like, I 
think making stuff like that is,

608
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,920
I have no issues with it. 
It's, it's, it's the like the 

609
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,760
people that I follow and like 
respect and like their content. 

610
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,400
It's like when you're seeing 
stuff like that from, let's just

611
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,760
say somebody you respect. 
I don't know who you respect. 

612
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Respect. 
Everybody OK perfect. 

613
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,960
So if you were following like 
this channel for like 5 years 

614
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,880
and then everything they put out
was great and then they start 

615
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
glazing because it's the hottest
new thing. 

616
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,640
And then like that's where to 
me, it's where it's like you're,

617
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,920
I'm connected to like the person
and like their passion and what 

618
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,280
they're doing for it. 
And when they're doing stuff 

619
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,360
like that, it's like it loses 
everything that I followed you 

620
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,240
for and like. 
Yeah. 

621
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320
So it's like the authenticity. 
So like, yes, that's yeah, OK. 

622
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,760
That's the word I would like to 
look for. 

623
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,080
OK I I would give like an 
example. 

624
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Then imagine the gathering 
creator notice the commander's 

625
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,640
quarters who used to do like 
budget commander decks and they 

626
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,720
would put like a lot of thought 
into it and be like, make this 

627
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,680
commander deck for like less 
than $10 on like TCG mid or 

628
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,120
whatever. 
And and then universes beyond 

629
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,040
happen. 
And like he might have had a 

630
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,920
little bit of a mental break 
because of this. 

631
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,240
And now everything is just like 
incredibly click bait and it's 

632
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,280
just like all doom and gloom 
because that's like what people 

633
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,760
like to click on. 
And it's not like real content. 

634
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,760
And like, he probably doesn't 
care, but he's like, you know, 

635
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,240
he reads like 3 videos a day, 
but he's like, none of this 

636
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,600
fucking matters. 
But they'll get 100K views and 

637
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640
I'll make money, right? 
Like that. 

638
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,520
As opposed to like the passion 
project that the channel started

639
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,160
out as. 
Yeah, I I mean, I think that's a

640
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,520
good rant, not a hot take. 
Though no, not a hot take. 

641
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
No, it's just. 
Trent 9th Circle of Hell, 

642
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,200
Dante's Inferno. 
Put that at the bottom. 

643
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,360
Frozen solid. 
Not, not a hot take, just a 

644
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600
rant. 
Like you said before, this is 

645
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,040
not just somebody hot takes and 
somebody rants things we got to 

646
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,639
get off of our chest. 
And that has been something that

647
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,760
has been on my chest where I I 
want to see my friends succeed 

648
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,840
and I want to see my friends 
talk about the things that they 

649
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,159
love. 
And when it's like, I don't 

650
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,280
know, it just feels like, you 
know, it's like, what if your 

651
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,040
favorite artist started 
incorporating like AI into their

652
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,560
beats? 
It's like, well, fuck. 

653
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,360
It's like God damn it. 
Yeah. 

654
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,159
It's not maybe not as stressed 
or not to that level, but it's 

655
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,199
just like, I know you are 
capable of doing so great. 

656
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,480
I want to at least hear it in 
your voice. 

657
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,800
Yeah, I get that. 
OK. 

658
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,920
We got, I got like 7 more. 
Yeah, no, I got I, I got more. 

659
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,680
I'm I'm just thinking about like
what to go with, you know what 

660
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,080
I'm going to say? 
I'm going to say deep doesn't 

661
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,320
mean what you think it does. 
This is like a thing that I 

662
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,440
fucking I fucking hate. 
I, I think 1 I think deep is 

663
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,360
used is like a, a, like a straw 
man where people will like 

664
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,800
attack a show that it could be a
pretentious show, whatever, you 

665
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,280
know, but they'll be like, Oh, 
the show's bad because it's 

666
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,000
pretty good and people are like,
Oh, it's so deep and it's like 

667
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,480
not, it's not deep and it's like
because the moral is whatever 

668
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,240
and it's like deep is the, the 
if this doesn't, it doesn't mean

669
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,920
that it's going to fucking 
change your life. 

670
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,960
No one is releasing an anime 
with like some new philosophy 

671
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,600
about the world that is going to
change how you perceive and 

672
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,560
think of everything. 
Like that's not going to happen.

673
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,800
OK, you're going to watch Neon 
Genesis Evangelion and you're 

674
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,840
going to like it or not, but no 
one, no one it honestly, maybe, 

675
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,920
but no one is saying, you know, 
that this has like the fucking 

676
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,720
answer to everything in it and 
that it like unveils some 

677
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:05,840
secret, unknown thing about 
humanity. 

678
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,640
That is not what it means. 
What it means is that it layers 

679
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,120
things that could be incredibly 
obvious through different layers

680
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,920
of the show. 
So it's, it's deep like that. 

681
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,680
There are there are layers to 
it, and they can all be very 

682
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,440
simple things. 
That's. 

683
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,400
My truck is deep, yeah, like an 
onion, you know? 

684
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:35,840
But it, it's something like like
monogatry is not it's, it's 

685
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,920
deep. 
I'm sorry, people. 

686
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Like yes, it's a weird show 
that's kind of pervy, but 

687
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:45,400
there's like the metaphors go 
for like 3 or 4 layers visually 

688
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,000
and with like the words that are
used and with the naming 

689
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480
conventions and it all feeds 
onto itself. 

690
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,880
That's what deep is. 
It just means there was a lot of

691
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,960
care put into like this aspect 
of like theming and everything. 

692
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:02,640
The theme could be Sinjo Gahara 
is hot, you know, and that can 

693
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,840
be deep. 
The theme could be the power of 

694
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,600
friendship and that could be 
deep. 

695
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,280
Deep doesn't mean profound. 
Those are different. 

696
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,840
It's different and I just feel 
like I, I don't know, I feel 

697
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:23,080
like deep gets used as like a 
like a derogatory term torch 

698
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:30,640
shows that people don't think 
are as profound as people might 

699
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,160
claim them to be. 
And it's like the insight to the

700
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,040
human condition or whatever 
doesn't need to be there. 

701
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,760
You know, like something like, 
you're going to be better at 

702
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,440
answering this than me, Pete. 
What's like a show that really 

703
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,360
goes deep on like a job or like 
a hobby or a club or? 

704
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,920
Something. 
Oh, like Shiribako or something?

705
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Sure, yeah, I bet Shiribako's 
deep in so far. 

706
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,480
Is that it like is a deep dive 
into the animation industry or 

707
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,040
whatever? 
Yep. 

708
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,320
I've never watched it, you know,
but like, you know, you. 

709
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,840
Don't you don't call without 
murder. 

710
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:11,560
OK, so it's worse Oshino Ko and 
I, I don't know this is going to

711
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,120
attack into like another thing, 
but get your response first 

712
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,760
because I I just have more 
things about this. 

713
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,520
Well, yeah, OK, it's funny 
because like I I have like my 

714
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,920
take on things on the Howard, 
things are deep where it's like 

715
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,400
things are as deep as you want 
them to be. 

716
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,040
If you want something to be 
deep, you could go and deep dive

717
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,920
into all these different things 
on like the littlest thing to 

718
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,040
make it seem like it's deep, but
that's only if you're willing to

719
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,520
like go and invest that into it.
Where I know we had like someone

720
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,200
with like eagle was like deep 
diving into stuff like girls 

721
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,280
bang cry and like doing talking 
to me about like the direction 

722
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,120
and like the casting and all 
this stuff that went into this. 

723
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,960
And it's like, that's really 
cool. 

724
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,440
And there's a like you said, I 
think there's layers, but in 

725
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,720
like a different way. 
Is that also deep? 

726
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,880
Like, does that make it deep 
because they have all these 

727
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,640
different layers outside of like
making the anime inside instead 

728
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,440
of inside the anime itself? 
And to me, I think it's like the

729
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,720
answer is yes, I think you can 
do it. 

730
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,160
Like I think being deep goes 
into like multiple different 

731
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,480
directions where how far do you 
want to dig into the show to 

732
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,560
make it as deep as you're 
looking for it to be? 

733
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,760
Well, I think that's the I guess
like in I would agree and 

734
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,680
disagree. 
Oh. 

735
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,760
Useful like yeah, it either is 
or it is it. 

736
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,120
You'll either like the show or 
you won't. 

737
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,200
You'll think it's deep, or you 
won't. 5050 shot. 

738
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Yeah. 
So like I think like to figure 

739
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,240
out if something is deep or not,
you have to go digging. 

740
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,840
That is true. 
Sometimes you'll be in a 

741
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,240
sandbox, you know, and it won't 
be deep. 

742
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,360
And that's that's fine too. 
It's not inherently bad or 

743
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160
anything. 
It's just like not everything is

744
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:55,640
deep and that's OK. 
And like some things are deep 

745
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,560
that even if you don't like it, 
it can be deep. 

746
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Like it, I don't know. 
That's just like the whole, the 

747
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,720
whole idea there, you know? 
And like they're also like, I 

748
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,400
don't know, like what, what 
would you consider like wide 

749
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,040
instead of deep? 
You know, there are more 

750
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,720
dimensions to these things, you 
know what I mean? 

751
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,040
Like, I don't, I don't know, 
that was deep. 

752
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,920
Wide maybe, I guess maybe I feel
like something that like is 

753
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200
longer lasting could go wide 
like like one piece probably has

754
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,800
like a watch that you could dive
into, but like, you know, like 

755
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,040
each arc has like their own 
whatever that you could dive 

756
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,840
into somebody maybe one Piece is
wide and yeah, it's like a. 

757
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,120
Very fast world of all 
different. 

758
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,280
Factions and stuff and. 
Yeah, yeah, I, I don't know. 

759
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,080
It's not about snails and the 
number of pilgrimage. 

760
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,360
Sites or. 
Whatever for Hachikuji and yeah,

761
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000
I, I don't know. 
It was all of that was was like 

762
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,240
a lot and like, you know, I 
don't know. 

763
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,560
And that, yeah, never mind. 
I'm not going to go. 

764
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,520
I've complained about this 
particular show too much. 

765
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,360
I'm not going to. 
But yeah, I don't know that 

766
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,720
that's sort of what I wanted to 
talk about. 

767
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,960
Like I feel like people will 
knock a show that people think 

768
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,680
is is deep if they think the the
messaging is like common or like

769
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,800
whatever. 
And it's like, I don't think 

770
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,480
I've ever really seen a show 
that said something that wasn't 

771
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680
some sort of common message 
ever. 

772
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,920
Like I just don't think I've 
consumed that many pieces of 

773
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,640
media. 
And maybe this is just like my 

774
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,120
fault or whatever, but things 
tend to be, they tend to have a 

775
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:35,760
moral of some sort and how that 
is portrayed can be obfuscated 

776
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,520
or obvious. 
But like, I, you know, I, I've 

777
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080
just never seen something and 
been like, holy shit, I've never

778
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,520
ever thought about that before, 
you know, other than when I was 

779
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,800
younger or something, You know, 
it's like you learn how things 

780
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,080
are based off of each other and 
stuff as time goes on. 

781
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,520
You know, it's like the first 
time I ever watched something 

782
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,440
that had like a time loop, I 
probably lost my mind more of 

783
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,920
that, right. 
And it's like, but like, you 

784
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,840
know, it's just your first time 
being exposed to that. 

785
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,760
So if you're exposed to it 
again, don't think less of it 

786
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,560
because you've seen it before, 
you know what I mean? 

787
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Cause like someone else will be 
watching it or seeing that is 

788
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,480
their first foray into that sort
of media. 

789
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Yeah, you know. 
No, I get it. 

790
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,880
I love that. 
That's a great answer. 

791
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,880
OK, this one that I want to get 
into is actually like anime 

792
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,840
related. 
This is not going to be a hot 

793
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,880
take. 
This is probably going to be 

794
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,720
mild. 
Maybe we'll see. 

795
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:38,080
But I think this goes towards my
favorite genre in romance or in 

796
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,640
romance. 
In the end of it is romance. 

797
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,600
And I think that in the stories 
that we need, this is going to 

798
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,000
be a 2 parter. 
It gets to a certain point where

799
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,720
I think romances are no longer 
considered romances, and I think

800
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,240
we need to make a justification 
for that when we have like 200 

801
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,360
chapters of people like trying 
to feel each other out. 

802
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,040
And. 
And trying to figure out like 

803
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,680
who they are and what they are, 
that's not a romance like, like 

804
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,560
I, I get if you need the first 
like 40 chapters to build 

805
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,880
something up. 
But if we're at a certain point,

806
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,040
whether everybody can have their
own like criteria for this and 

807
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,640
whether it's 10 episodes, 50 
chapters, at a certain point, 

808
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,200
they're not going to figure it 
out. 

809
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,800
And if they are, it's going to 
end poorly. 

810
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,800
And when it comes to that, 
that's no longer a romance. 

811
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,160
That's just that's just I don't 
know, we need a new word. 

812
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,160
What what's what's a what's a 
romance where it's not a 

813
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,000
romance. 
That's I need whatever genre 

814
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,640
that is. 
And I think we need to that 

815
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,720
needs to be solidified because 
when I was thinking of like 

816
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:45,560
anime of the year stuff and one 
of my favorite categories to go 

817
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,760
over is best romance. 
And then we have to get into the

818
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,240
criteria of our shows that were 
they is like is too many losing 

819
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:59,440
heroines a romance is magical 
girl and evil Lieutenant A 

820
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,440
romance is all guy mixer a 
romance. 

821
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,880
And I I feel like we're getting 
like, I don't know, like I feel 

822
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,760
like we need like a better 
criteria on what romance is, 

823
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,240
which ties into my second point,
which is not like a hot take or 

824
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:17,720
anything like that, but I think 
we need more. 

825
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,920
You actually have to show the 
scenes, but like the idea that 

826
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,840
characters are having sex in 
their shows. 

827
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,480
And I think it's like a huge 
point of like relationships 

828
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,280
where it's glossed over and 
anime. 

829
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,080
It makes it seem like nobody has
sex ever unless you're in like 

830
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Horomia, or at least that has 
like an indication that the main

831
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,120
characters are having sex. 
But like I think that's like 

832
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,680
such a great way to grow and 
he's like an emotional fan base 

833
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,440
with the two lead. 
If they have like interactions, 

834
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,680
whether and you like you don't 
have to. 

835
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,000
It doesn't have to be like a 
hentai singer just like them. 

836
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,120
So you want to see full pen and 
and like more anime just like. 

837
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:05,440
No, so like I I hate anime does 
this and like how like Mushoku 

838
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,680
Tensei does it. 
It's just like fucking awful and

839
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,720
I hate it where it's just like 
in the next morning, there's 

840
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:13,040
like blood on the bed. 
It's like motherfucker, like 

841
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,680
they never have like the 
conversation after or anything 

842
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,800
like that or before. 
It's always like that's the like

843
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,600
I don't want that. 
I don't want that. 

844
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,440
I want the scenes of like 
telling you like after you have 

845
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,480
sex with somebody, like all your
emotions are like it's like it's

846
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,160
like a wave. 
Let me hear. 

847
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,920
Let me hear the 1st. 
I want to hear some pillow talk 

848
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,840
and I want to hear some after 
pillow talk. 

849
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,400
OK, so that's more of like a 
rant slash mild hot take. 

850
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,520
I think on like romance and shit
in anime. 

851
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,920
And Miles, you have any 
thoughts? 

852
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,160
Yeah, I do. 
I have lots of thoughts on this 

853
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,680
one. 
I fucking I hate what you just 

854
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,160
told me about the fucking bout. 
It's just like. 

855
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,960
I found out something about the 
light novel that makes it worse.

856
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,320
I was like, Rudy is the worst 
person in the world. 

857
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:11,120
Like the, the, the, the weird 
focus on like virginity there is

858
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,200
gross to me. 
Yeah. 

859
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:21,040
That being said. 
I like that'd be you, Miles. 

860
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Miles. 
Yeah, so here, here's my hot 

861
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,040
take. 
Something like Too many losing 

862
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:35,960
Heroines is more of a romance 
than Oh my God what's the show 

863
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,840
called? 
A sign of affection. 

864
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Yes, that's exactly. 
Insane take. 

865
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,800
No, it's not an insane take 
because when two people are 

866
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,240
dating, they're just dating, 
right? 

867
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:53,960
So like, like, I don't know, 
name any movie that there's like

868
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,840
a married couple in it. 
Is that a romance because it's 

869
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,480
focusing on a couple? 
No, The notebook, yeah, OK, Yep.

870
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,840
Obviously not a romance. 
But that's the thing. 

871
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,600
What percentage of the notebook 
is about them trying to get 

872
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,240
together? 
Well, that's a movie. 

873
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,960
What percentage, Pete? 
80 Dine. 

874
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,440
Yeah, sounds right to me. 
When we're together, they can't 

875
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,560
even remember it. 
Well, it's. 

876
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,400
Like I hate that. 
Like once, I hate the idea that 

877
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,320
like once you're a couple, it's 
like the fun is over. 

878
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,680
Like Miles, is your life over 
because you're buried now? 

879
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,760
Like. 
Yep. 

880
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Oh, OK, never mind you all. 
Scratch that, scratch 

881
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,640
everything, I said that was a 
freezing cold take. 

882
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,120
No, I mean, it's not right, but 
like they're, you know it, it 

883
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:51,360
just becomes more normal. 
See, right, like like OK, let's 

884
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,560
view a terrible romance that you
love that a lot of the community

885
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,760
loves, despite how bad it. 
Is Toradora. 

886
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,360
No, OK, no 'cause that would 
Toradora would help my point and

887
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,440
this is going to help my point 
too, but it's it's going to be 

888
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,640
more illustrative. 
I think it is. 

889
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,560
It's about the Love's hard for 
no talk, right? 

890
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:17,040
So we have two, yeah 2 couples 
that we focus on primarily in 

891
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,840
the Why are they children? 
This is like the collector's 

892
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,240
edition one because they met 
with their kids. 

893
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Yeah, I forgot. 
Yeah, their childhood are 

894
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,040
friends. 
Yeah, they yeah, I forgot the 

895
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,280
extreme romance of like I've met
you before 1A date. 

896
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Fuck. 
It really, truly romantic. 

897
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,800
Anyways, there are two couples, 
right? 

898
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:43,560
There's one couple that is 
already established and then 

899
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,000
there is one couple that is like
newly established, still getting

900
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,680
to know each other, still trying
to figure out what they're 

901
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,680
doing. 
Which one do you think is more 

902
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,240
romance focused out of those two
couples? 

903
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,600
Depends on what you're into, 
especially for political. 

904
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,280
What do you think, Pete? 
It's the question. 

905
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:02,280
The new couple. 
Yeah, that's because that's what

906
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,240
that's the point. 
It's the point of the romance. 

907
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,600
It's about getting together. 
It's about sorting it out and 

908
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,200
overcoming some sort of barrier 
in order to get to the goal, 

909
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,640
which is like to be together. 
Both What if you could not only 

910
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,360
write a lead up, but write like 
an aftermath of like everything 

911
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,160
that comes after it? 
Because I I've seen animes where

912
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,520
it's like, or maybe more along 
the lines of like manga of 

913
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,000
having these characters in 
established relationships and 

914
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,080
still having fun, still being 
romantic. 

915
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,720
It's like new issues arise from 
when you're actually a couple as

916
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,040
well. 
And that could still be fun 

917
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,120
because you can build up to 
other things. 

918
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,840
Yeah, but you need to. 
OK, you need to. 

919
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,520
You recycle it some, right? 
So let's take something we both 

920
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,000
love, right? 
Love is war. 

921
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,280
Big fan. 
You have your your main couple. 

922
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,400
I could I could do this too. 
I don't know where my copies 

923
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,440
are. 
Oh, here we go. 

924
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Wait. 
I'm gonna, I'm gonna do, I'm 

925
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,880
gonna do a pee, everybody. 
Flex, everybody. 

926
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,840
Flex. 
Oh, we did it. 

927
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,200
OK. 
We have Volume 25 here. 

928
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,880
Yeah, Minecraft Volume 1. 
So like if your main couple and 

929
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:18,200
then they get together, right? 
And then the focus immediately 

930
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:24,600
shifts to the next couple trying
to get together until there's an

931
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,000
issue with the first couple 
preventing them from the plan of

932
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,560
staying together. 
And then they need to fix that. 

933
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,640
The chase is more fun, right? 
Because marriage, which I love. 

934
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,800
And if you're listening to this,
Kayla, I love you so much, 

935
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,840
right? 
But what marriage is and being a

936
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,320
couple is, is is your wife 
asking you what you want to do 

937
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,840
for dinner and what show you 
want to watch on Netflix until 

938
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,000
you die? 
That sounds lit get easily. 

939
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,960
It's great, I love my life. 
I don't want to read a manga 

940
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,520
about it. 
What? 

941
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,760
About like the there's just so 
many other elements that you can

942
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,040
explore with it. 
Like you could you could still 

943
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,680
be you can still have romantic 
whatever shit and you can, you 

944
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,800
know, have talk about kids and 
potential someone might be 

945
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,880
cheating on the other partner. 
That might be fun. 

946
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,040
OK. 
But we can't. 

947
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,200
We can't get this. 
This never happens, right? 

948
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,760
I don't that's what I want. 
OK, sure you're super grieving. 

949
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Here's here's my hot take. 
People should break up an anime 

950
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,600
ever. 
That's a. 

951
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,200
Good one, I do like that. 
Right. 

952
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Yeah, like, if we're going for 
that, sure. 

953
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,640
What I don't want is a couple in
the current atmosphere of anime 

954
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,440
we have where no one has ever 
broken up ever like trying to. 

955
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,840
Think of try. 
To think of an example where 

956
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,040
people break up and stay broken 
up and that's it. 

957
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:59,400
Oh break up, stay broken up. 
I bet there's like 2 but I can't

958
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,080
think I'm. 
Sure, I'm sure something exists,

959
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,800
but the fact that you who has 
this like encyclopedic 

960
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,400
knowledge, especially of like 
romance anime and manga, can't 

961
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,200
just be like, oh, this one is 
like, you know what I mean? 

962
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,720
Like I like the idea of that's 
like the. 

963
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,520
Chase, though, like it's all 
leading up to like that point 

964
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,200
and we never get past the point 
where they can like, break up. 

965
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:28,320
But even OK, look, I will give 
you my fucking house if Yuki and

966
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,720
Yuki break up ever. 
Clip it. 

967
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,200
If Yuki ever break up 
officially, they're done forever

968
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,480
and ever. 
Never. 

969
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,960
Yeah, that would never happen. 
Right. 

970
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,320
And, like, I always like the 
idea of, like, I don't know. 

971
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,280
And like an American show, like 
Glee or something. 

972
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Like before Finn dates Rachel, 
he dates Quinn. 

973
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,720
Right. 
And so you have, like, that sort

974
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:52,960
of thing. 
Like, people don't start. 

975
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,440
I've always liked, like, the Jim
and Pam thing where Pam's dating

976
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,560
someone else. 
I like that sort of dynamic. 

977
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,880
I wish we had more of that. 
And then you can, like, flip it 

978
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,720
into it. 
Yeah. 

979
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,880
Yeah. 
But we're not. 

980
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,560
We're never gonna get that. 
Why not? 

981
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,640
We're gonna do what I want. 
I just ask. 

982
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,240
That's why I don't want more 
established couples, because 

983
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,240
once you're an established 
couple it it's over. 

984
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,480
I just think, I just think your 
take on too many losing heroines

985
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,720
being more romantic than a sign 
of affection is insane. 

986
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,720
But I love it. 
I respect that. 

987
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,920
Well, it's just like, I don't 
know, she's just like, I guess 

988
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,280
I'm in love with this dude. 
And then they date each other. 

989
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,520
Yeah, that's awesome. 
That's what, that's what more 

990
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,880
people should do. 
They should. 

991
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,680
I sure. 
Yeah. 

992
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,920
I don't know each other based 
off their looks and only their 

993
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,200
looks. 
See, the difference between us 

994
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,080
is like you, you love these like
grounded shows and stuff. 

995
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,440
You're like, you're a cramp. 
It's a story about people who 

996
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,000
realistically go camping. 
And I'm just like, I want to 

997
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,120
die. 
Oh, girl, you know, So like, I 

998
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,480
like remember, I, I thrive off 
the existential dread. 

999
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
I need that. 
So I don't want, I don't want 

1000
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,840
happy couples. 
You want Cabin in the Woods? 

1001
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,560
Not yeah. 
Exactly like I want, you know? 

1002
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,160
So we just watched the fucking 
Rocky Will, shouldn't you? 

1003
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,800
Right. 
We also did just watch Devil 

1004
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,840
Man. 
But like Rocky Will, shouldn't 

1005
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,360
you? 
That romance and that. 

1006
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Give me that. 
That's what I want, right. 

1007
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,760
So like, that's an example of 
something where people break up 

1008
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480
and stay broken up. 
By the way, there's an example I

1009
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,560
already forgot. 
And yeah, yeah, you watched it 

1010
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,840
like we watched it a week ago. 
No idea. 

1011
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,360
We literally published an 
episode about it today, the day 

1012
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,000
we are recording this. 
But like, that's more of the 

1013
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,520
stuff I want. 
That's like messy and 

1014
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,320
everything. 
But like, you know what? 

1015
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,640
Like White Album 2, What you 
want is White Album 2. 

1016
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,400
No, I don't want what you want 
that show that shows. 

1017
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,600
Yes, repeat. 
The other take you agreed with 

1018
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,920
is that people need to be told 
what they want. 

1019
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,720
And I'm telling you, you want 
White Album 2. 

1020
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:59,520
I want White Album 2 if all of 
the characters are not presented

1021
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,440
as like the smartest people in 
the world and they're presented 

1022
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,360
as dumb people. 
I would respect the hell out of 

1023
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,600
White Album too. 
I. 

1024
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,960
Scored the elite album too. 
Oh, people make mistakes. 

1025
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
I don't care. 
The show doesn't present these 

1026
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,840
people as people who make 
mistakes. 

1027
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,600
You want scums Wish. 
Maybe I haven't seen it, no. 

1028
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,280
I know I need to watch that. 
I've been saving it for already,

1029
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,840
whose turn isn't even. 
It's yours. 

1030
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,480
Let's do like one more. 
If you got a big one or if you 

1031
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,960
have a couple, just run through 
them. 

1032
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:35,240
OK, well, I I have one shows if 
you make you if you make a show 

1033
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:40,520
and it is dark, dark doesn't 
mean mature inherently. 

1034
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,240
It doesn't mean deeper 
inherently, and it doesn't mean 

1035
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,760
better inherently. 
Like I don't like whenever 

1036
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,000
someone describes me, it's like 
this but darker. 

1037
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,000
I'm just like, oh, I'm going to 
not like it then, huh? 

1038
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,840
Because like it I don't know. 
I just I feel like it often 

1039
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,280
misses the point of like what 
makes like popular dark media 

1040
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,720
popular, you know, which is like
always like relatability. 

1041
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,200
I feel like these things jump 
the shark very often. 

1042
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,920
Something like, and this is 
something that no one's going to

1043
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,120
disagree with, but I'm going to 
like take it to its its maximum 

1044
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,960
point to illustrate my point. 
So something like read you of a 

1045
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,200
healer, right. 
No one's like wow, this show is 

1046
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,160
First off, no one's like wow 
this show is good. 

1047
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:33,000
Second of all, no one thinks the
dark elements of that make the 

1048
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,600
show more mature or more deep, 
or I would. 

1049
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,240
Say it makes anything less 
mature. 

1050
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:44,880
Yeah, almost certainly. 
You know, so like if you're just

1051
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,680
adding grim elements to 
something in order to like do 

1052
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,680
whatever. 
If if that's the thing, it just 

1053
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,520
it doesn't add to a show in my 
opinion. 

1054
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,960
I don't I don't like that. 
I don't need to see that. 

1055
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,800
I don't care. 
It's like whenever people are 

1056
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,920
like, I want a grim dark Pokémon
game where we see the gritty 

1057
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,920
underworld of the Pokémon and 
it's like, I don't Pokémon's a 

1058
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,720
fucking kid show. 
I want to see the the Pikachu 

1059
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,960
Pikachu. 
Like you can like make it a 

1060
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,760
little more adult oriented. 
Sure, like, you know, just 

1061
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,920
slightly more mature, increase 
the, you know, verbiage and 

1062
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,160
whatever. 
But like, you know, it's not 

1063
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,120
like, oh, we're we're, we're, 
we're doing fucking poaching. 

1064
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,160
We're poaching. 
Oh, there's a strung up toros 

1065
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,800
that's being bled out, you know,
like, I don't know, it's just 

1066
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,840
like, I feel like that's like 
when people try to think of how 

1067
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,360
to make something that maybe 
they've aged out of better. 

1068
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,440
It'll just like My Hero Academia
is one that I, I, I found like a

1069
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,040
lot where people are like, it's 
not, you know, people aren't 

1070
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,920
fucking dying all the time or 
whatever. 

1071
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,840
And it's like, yeah, 'cause it's
about fucking 13 year olds that 

1072
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,720
have superpowers. 
Like that's what the show is. 

1073
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,360
And it's OK. 
And it wouldn't be better if 

1074
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,880
people died like it, wouldn't 
it? 

1075
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:05,040
It would maybe even, yeah, 
that's not what the guys trying 

1076
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,480
to do. 
Like, and that's OK. 

1077
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,960
And you can like make a show 
that's dark and make it good, 

1078
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,400
but that's not, doesn't make 
things better. 

1079
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,640
You don't make things better by 
adding fucking grim dark 

1080
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,760
elements to them. 
It's a it's a big thing in my 

1081
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,200
mind. 
Yeah, I think like it it like it

1082
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,640
needs to equate to something 
that's trying to present in the 

1083
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,840
story where something like Redo 
of a Healer is like the exact 

1084
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,000
opposite. 
I think something like Perfect 

1085
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,720
Blue where it's, you know, it's 
showcasing like the 

1086
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,680
sexualization of idols for like 
male otakus. 

1087
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,600
Maybe you don't agree with it, 
but at least I think in the 

1088
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,280
context it makes sense of like 
why they're portraying it the 

1089
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,440
way that they're doing it in 
like the story. 

1090
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Well, yeah, it's looking at the 
dark elements and like, showing 

1091
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,960
you that it's ugly, right? 
And like, that's not what Redo 

1092
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,240
of the Hero does or Redo of the 
Healer does. 

1093
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Like, I'm pretty sure you're 
supposed to masturbate when 

1094
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,120
you're watching that. 
I don't. 

1095
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,640
Know yeah, yeah, there's some 
yeah, yeah, you're you're 

1096
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,320
definitely which is also like 
because it's like in Japan, like

1097
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,960
more women than men watched redo
of a healer and then the West 

1098
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,560
it's like 99% men, I think. 
Guilty as charged. 

1099
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,440
I did, I did watch it. 
I did Oh my God. 

1100
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,840
I gave it A2 just for reference.
Fair enough. 

1101
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,640
Touché. 
It was, it was awful. 

1102
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,560
It is a terrible written show. 
And it's, it's like, have you 

1103
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,720
ever seen like the meme where 
it's like, oh, you don't like 

1104
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,600
dark humor? 
And then the dark humor is just 

1105
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,560
like sexual assault. 
It's like, that's not yeah. 

1106
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It's like, yeah. 

1107
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,240
It's like, like when someone's 
like, oh, I was only joking and 

1108
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,520
like, what? 
What was the joke? 

1109
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,680
And this joke was like, I put a 
swastika on screen. 

1110
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,160
Yeah. 
And it's like, oh, that's not a 

1111
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,640
joke. 
Oh that's that's a swastika. 

1112
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,480
Jokes are funny. 
Like that's not. 

1113
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,280
Funny yeah, I don't know that 
that that's one see and it's 

1114
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,560
like I don't know these are just
sort of things where like one 

1115
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,080
example is that I you know, I 
talked about how I liked Medoca 

1116
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,240
magic out of someone and someone
was like, oh, you'll probably 

1117
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,960
like magical girls sight and 
it's like no, those just no, no,

1118
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,880
those actually could be more 
different, you know like it they

1119
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:17,480
they both are dark and 1 is dark
and bad and also like it doesn't

1120
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,600
make it more mature and it's 
sort of like. 

1121
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,120
I sort of viewed the Have you 
ever seen the movie? 

1122
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,040
Well, you've seen Saw. 
I would assume I've. 

1123
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,600
Seen. 
Yeah, like 1 and 2. 

1124
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,840
OK, have you ever seen the movie
Hostile? 

1125
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,400
I know what it's about, but I 
haven't seen it. 

1126
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,400
So to me, there's like the 
difference there where Saw 

1127
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:40,720
they're both torture movies 
where people get tortured and 

1128
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,120
like, I'm not going to blame 
anyone for not liking that, 

1129
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,280
right? 
And it's like sort of like a 

1130
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,520
grim topic, but like the point 
of hostile is to watch people 

1131
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:54,200
get tortured and like saw the 
regardless of how well executed 

1132
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,600
has like a other point. 
There's like a more interactive 

1133
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,640
plot, you know, there is 
something that is trying to do 

1134
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,240
via it's it's darkness or 
whatever. 

1135
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,920
And so like that, that's sort of
the big distinction to me that 

1136
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:14,000
like dark isn't really like a 
genre or like a category in my 

1137
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,560
opinion. 
It's it's just an element that 

1138
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:23,880
some shows have, but it it is by
itself almost irrelevant to if I

1139
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,440
will enjoy something or not. 
No, I couldn't agree more. 

1140
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,160
I think we both have the same 
like ideas of like what we think

1141
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,480
of as like dark and whatever in 
our media and like how we 

1142
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,520
perceive it. 
So couldn't agree more. 

1143
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,400
I'm going to get to my last one.
This one, this one I actually 

1144
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,000
think might be spicy because 
based off how I feel, how I see 

1145
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,200
people on like Twitter and 
Discord, and I don't know if 

1146
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,000
I've ever said this opinion to 
publicly allowed. 

1147
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,840
So so when people say like 
things like, oh, you shouldn't 

1148
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,560
trust the scores on like Mal or 
Annie list for like how good a 

1149
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,720
show is, yes, you should. 
You absolutely should. 

1150
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,520
This is if you've ever taken a 
stats class or if you've ever 

1151
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,840
taken a survey, this is exactly 
what it is. 

1152
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,040
It is a survey of the people who
watch this type of content and 

1153
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,200
they're rating. 
This is a very good way of 

1154
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,760
understanding if the same people
who are willing to sign up for a

1155
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:25,080
website that logs your anime 
like a specific show. 

1156
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,040
And I I I just think it's funny 
when people are just like, oh, 

1157
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,080
you can't trust whatever, blah, 
blah, blah. 

1158
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,800
And it's like 400,000 people who
signed up for this and this 

1159
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,880
website voiced their opinions on
it. 

1160
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,800
Yeah, you should that it's, it's
a very, it's a very clear 

1161
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,480
indication of like the masses of
how a show is perceived. 

1162
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,320
And I always thought it's funny 
when people like don't do that. 

1163
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,920
I'm like, that's literally what 
a survey is like these are all 

1164
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,720
just surveys. 
So. 

1165
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,080
Yeah. 
So I'm going to say there are 

1166
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,960
there are some points to this. 
I'm going to disagree with you. 

1167
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:03,960
You need to know the biases, 
right, Because Mal has his 

1168
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,160
biases. 
Things like, as you have 

1169
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,960
mentioned, show Joe's Joe says, 
things like that, they're going 

1170
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,880
to be scored a little lower on 
something like now, right? 

1171
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:18,040
The things that again, break 
certain norms of anime are going

1172
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,560
to be lower. 
Things with like unhappy 

1173
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,720
romantic endings, things get 
knocked for that. 

1174
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:30,160
So I would say being aware, 
yeah, you know, things that are 

1175
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,080
are 3D animated, right, CGI 
that's going to get knocked. 

1176
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,240
So know if you care about that 
or not. 

1177
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,160
Things that are Western in any 
way, they're going to get 

1178
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,480
knocked on Mal, you know, So be 
aware of that. 

1179
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,680
But also generally speaking, I 
completely agree. 

1180
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,280
Like if someone shows me 
something that's like A5 on Mal 

1181
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,560
and it's like, trust me, it's 
good. 

1182
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,360
I'm not going to trust them. 
I'm going to trust the the group

1183
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,720
at large that that's. 
Yeah, I mean, that's what like 

1184
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,800
there's advanced analytics where
you can break it down by like 

1185
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,160
gender and age and stuff like 
that to get a better 

1186
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,880
understanding of like shows that
maybe you would like more or 

1187
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,880
less versus like the popular 
vote. 

1188
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,600
But I guess it's more of long 
lines is like people use Rotten 

1189
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,600
Tomatoes for movies as like the 
baseline score. 

1190
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,560
Like people, people don't say, 
oh, it had a 9.1 on IMDb. 

1191
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,800
They say it's they got 91% on 
raw tomatoes. 

1192
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,560
Like that's, that's what we use.
And then in an R sphere, it's 

1193
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,520
either Mal or any less. 
And most of the time they're 

1194
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,800
very similar. 
Like there's no, I don't think 

1195
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,720
there's like one show that is 
just so drastic on one side 

1196
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,280
versus the other. 
But it's like, it's like it's a 

1197
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:50,400
very, it is a great tool to get 
a common grounding on a specific

1198
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,000
show. 
And when people, it's more along

1199
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,680
the lines of people saying like 
it's not a good resource to use 

1200
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,600
for whatever it is. 
A as somebody who is in a 

1201
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:04,360
corporate analytics role, it is 
a fantastic resource to get all 

1202
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,040
the data that you are looking 
for. 

1203
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,440
I it's like, it's like when 
people are like when you were in

1204
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,800
college and they're like, you 
don't use Wikipedia as a source.

1205
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,160
95% of my sources were from 
Wikipedia. 

1206
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,040
It's like, yeah, yeah, you can, 
you can use Wikipedia as a 

1207
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,080
source. 
I feel like Mal and Annulus are 

1208
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,440
sort of the same thing where 
it's like, oh, it has an 8 point

1209
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,600
whatever on Mal and be like, oh,
that's, that doesn't mean 

1210
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,680
anything. 
Yeah, it does. 

1211
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,800
It means a lot actually. 
So I don't know if that's a hot 

1212
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,120
take or not just because I see a
lot of people that like 

1213
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,640
completely disagree with 
ratings, even though they use 

1214
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,040
their, because everybody uses 
like their own system. 

1215
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,360
But I think that's for like most
surveys in general anyway that 

1216
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,240
you sort of like, even if it's 
if it's a one through 5 and 5 is

1217
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,720
like strongly agree. 
Maybe most people don't use that

1218
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,680
or they use it a lot. 
So I was going to say like, I 

1219
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,800
think it's an incredible 
resource to use. 

1220
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,520
I think it is a great 
understanding of where a fall 

1221
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,960
shows within the people who care
enough to make an account and to

1222
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,600
log it. 
Also, mild hot take. 

1223
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,120
Maybe not Mall and Angeles, 
they're the same. 

1224
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,120
They're they're both ledgers. 
They're both there to record the

1225
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,520
shows that I watch. 
One is not better than the 

1226
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,440
other. 
I don't care. 

1227
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,880
It's a straight up I, I 
literally use it to log what 

1228
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,560
shows I watch. 
I it's the same thing as a notes

1229
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,760
app on a phone. 
They're they're the same thing. 

1230
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,400
I would have said that until one
time during our secret stand up,

1231
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,040
I got just like a word doc that 
was shows people had watched 

1232
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:39,000
like just a list of it and like 
it's not the same as either of 

1233
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,360
those two. 
There's not like links to it. 

1234
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,200
There's. 
OK, like running it on a piece 

1235
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,400
of paper is going to be 
different than electronically 

1236
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,880
logging it on a database. 
But in terms of like being a 

1237
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,600
Ledger to record the shows you 
watched and the score you gave 

1238
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,280
it, they're the exact same 
thing. 

1239
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,600
I don't care if the UIS are 
prettier, I don't care if the 

1240
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,000
other one uses decimals. 
It's literally there to record 

1241
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,520
shit for me. 
So I don't know if that's about 

1242
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,040
the hot take or whatever, but. 
It depends who you ask, I think.

1243
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,080
I, you know, like I, I agree. 
I know people who definitely 

1244
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,440
disagree and I, I get why they 
do right 'cause like people like

1245
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,400
tweaking things a certain way. 
I have one last one if that's 

1246
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,960
OK. 
Yeah, I'll see. 

1247
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,480
I'll see. 
If I had any more I might just 

1248
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,360
do like a speed thing at the. 
End Oh, you would do a speed 

1249
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,520
thing 'cause I I saved what I 
think my spiciest 1 is for last.

1250
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,240
OK, let me just run through what
I wrote down 'cause I really 

1251
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,680
don't care. 
OK, cool. 

1252
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,360
What do? 
We got impact should be the most

1253
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,240
important factor when resolving 
anything that deals with 

1254
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,520
violence. 
I don't care how flashy fights 

1255
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,800
look. 
If the impact or the relevance 

1256
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,920
of the fight don't mean 
anything, it doesn't matter. 

1257
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,880
Glazing of particular brands 
should not be a thing anymore. 

1258
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,520
This is specifically towards 
manga where people just like 

1259
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,600
jizz their pants off of like 
what's new and shown and jump 

1260
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,800
like it doesn't matter. 
Like I, I feel like it's weird 

1261
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,400
that people like glaze specific 
like magazines and stuff where 

1262
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,040
like before it came down to like
distribution, where like it was 

1263
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,640
way easier to read Shonen jump 
properties and that's why more 

1264
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,640
people like focus on reading 
stuff like that. 

1265
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,000
No, it doesn't matter. 
You can read any fucking manga 

1266
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,520
ever made. 
Now we we don't live in that age

1267
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,520
anymore. 
That's just, I just find it odd 

1268
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,520
that people just like, I can't 
believe this got acts from 

1269
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,319
Shonen jump. 
It's like the show sucked. 

1270
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:26,960
Like someone who isn't super 
into manga really quick, how 

1271
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,240
would you view that as different
than? 

1272
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,439
Like I know I understand some of
the differences but like they 

1273
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,359
curate a certain vibe right? 
Kind of. 

1274
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,000
But like, OK, so here's the 
we're I was trying to talk about

1275
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,800
earlier with like if something 
was labeled whatever, if you 

1276
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:47,960
have two fantasy action shows 
and 1:00 and they look A&B, they

1277
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,439
look the exact same thing. 
And one was on Shonen Jump and 

1278
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,880
the other one was on Shonen 
Magazine. 

1279
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:59,240
People would watch option A more
than option B because it has the

1280
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,319
title shown and Jump. 
But like it doesn't it doesn't 

1281
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,000
matter anymore. 
Like show and Jump doesn't mean 

1282
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,240
quality. 
Like I don't know if it's ever 

1283
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,720
meant quality. 
It it's just before we had such 

1284
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,680
a limited access to reading 
manga where the shown and Jump 

1285
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:19,160
app was like the first like 
subscription based manga app 

1286
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,399
that we had in the states. 
And so like I get why people 

1287
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:25,399
would revolve wanting to read 
those programs because they can 

1288
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,000
pay $2.00 a month and get them 
professionally translated from 

1289
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,240
Japan or whatever. 
Now it doesn't matter. 

1290
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,120
Like you can read anything you 
want. 

1291
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,359
And so like it's just like, I 
don't know, there's like there's

1292
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,880
like debates of like where it 
was ranked in like there's Shona

1293
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,000
jump rank. 
It's like, who cares? 

1294
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,880
Like why does it matter? 
Like I feel like it's it goes 

1295
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,359
back to like watching and 
reading whatever it did you want

1296
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,960
to watch instead of whatever 
people are telling you to watch 

1297
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,240
since Shona jump is like the 
biggest thing. 

1298
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,760
OK, seems like closer to like 
ATV channel, I guess, where it's

1299
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,360
like, oh, I like the shows that 
are on HBO or whatever, but now 

1300
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,240
you can watch whatever the fuck 
you want all the time. 

1301
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,640
So like it's less important. 
It's like watching yeah, 911 

1302
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,680
versus Chicago PD. 
Like are you gonna watch 911 

1303
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,000
just because it's on Fox? 
Like it doesn't, it shouldn't 

1304
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,360
fucking matter. 
Watch the show that you wanna 

1305
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,160
watch last one. 
This one is more for like people

1306
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,600
like us. 
But if you are a creator in the 

1307
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,680
sphere and you want to build a 
community, you need to build it,

1308
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:26,680
not your community. 
Like I see so many people start 

1309
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,920
up Discord, start up group chat,
start up all these things and 

1310
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,520
their intention is for them to 
build it around their brand and 

1311
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,640
have the people that they like 
recruit build it for them. 

1312
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Or instead that you should be 
creating the community or 

1313
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,120
whatever that you're trying to 
build. 

1314
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,120
You as the creator, you build 
that, not the people that 

1315
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:50,520
whatever. 
So this this steps back to like 

1316
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,400
I I think we brought it up in 
discord like a month ago with 

1317
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:58,840
chibi reviews and where his 
community is posting all this 

1318
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,600
like vulgar shit, like bigoted 
stuff, like all this stuff and 

1319
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,640
like you don't say anything. 
You don't do anything about it 

1320
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,560
because it's getting you clicks.
This happened with D Pitty who 

1321
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:16,360
did like the P Diddy cosplay 
with like Justin Bieber where 

1322
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:21,520
and and stuff like that where 
it's like if that is the vibe 

1323
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,280
that you are putting out and you
don't say anything to it, that's

1324
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,280
the community that you're going 
to create. 

1325
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,720
If you don't do anything about 
it, then your community is going

1326
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,040
to curate you instead of you 
doing it the opposite way. 

1327
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,480
So I, I would just say like, if 
you are looking to build 

1328
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:37,320
something like that, everybody 
does this. 

1329
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,000
And some people just do this as 
like, you know, they create like

1330
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,560
a video essay and they just want
to like express what they want. 

1331
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,600
They have no intentions of 
building a. 

1332
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,400
Interacting or. 
Whatever that's that's 

1333
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,320
completely different. 
So people who are like going out

1334
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,440
of their way to, you know, like 
us. 

1335
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:54,680
I want to find like minded 
adults who like anime shoot the 

1336
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,920
shit in whatever. 
If you don't make that known or 

1337
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,480
if you don't curate that and you
let somebody who is toxic and 

1338
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,240
build that toxicity, it's sort 
of get worse. 

1339
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,360
So that's sort of my other thing
where it's just like so many 

1340
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,680
people that I see in the sphere 
just don't care as long as it 

1341
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,520
gets clicked. 
And if you're trying to build a 

1342
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,880
community, just be careful and 
you need to put in the effort of

1343
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,800
what the community represents 
because now, now this the chibi 

1344
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,840
guy his to me his no matter what
he does, unless he like saves 

1345
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,120
100 cats from burning building 
his reputation with me is 

1346
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,720
completely burned. 
Like it's like you're. 73 cats, 

1347
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,960
7373. 73 cats. 
Give me 10 years and then I'll 

1348
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:35,680
think. 
OK, OK, OK. 

1349
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:36,960
OK. 
Yeah, it's one of those things. 

1350
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,360
This is now possible if if 
you're. 

1351
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,800
If you post something on Twitter
and your first five replies, the

1352
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,840
most replies are like bigoted 
shit and all this stuff and you 

1353
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,680
do nothing about it, guess what,
my man? 

1354
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,560
That is a reflection of you. 
So be the community leader you 

1355
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,840
want to be, especially if you 
have a voice in the sphere. 

1356
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,200
I wish more people would speak 
up about issues plaguing like 

1357
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,640
this community and stuff that 
have a voice and then do nothing

1358
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,520
about it. 
So because they're afraid, I 

1359
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,480
don't know if they're afraid 
like losing viewers and shit, 

1360
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,440
but like that. 
But I mean, that's just a huge 

1361
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:11,400
thing for me. 
So that's my last rant, Moss 

1362
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,120
take away. 
OK, yeah, so we're going from 

1363
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:20,080
that to fart joke to people 
should like Mal Mal more. 

1364
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,440
No. 
OK, people. 

1365
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,600
Should like Mal Mal more though.
They should thank you. 

1366
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,320
Character development is the 
most overrated fucking. 

1367
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,400
Thing Oh watch your fucking 
mouth bro. 

1368
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,280
Just in fucking anime. 
I are just media or something. 

1369
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,200
It's just like every time 
someone's like, oh, I love this 

1370
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,280
character they have. 
Such a fucking character moment,

1371
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,640
yeah. 
Yeah, I was saving it for last. 

1372
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,840
I I fucking I fucking can't. 
OK, they're are so, so many 

1373
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,440
people treat it as like the one 
criteria for what makes a cool 

1374
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,120
character or whatever and like, 
fucking Nah, you know what I 

1375
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,160
mean? 
No. 

1376
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,600
OK, Yeah. 
It's like my favorite thing 

1377
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,440
about anime. 
Do you like Homer Kemi? 

1378
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,760
Yeah, she's topless, Flock. 
Yeah, she doesn't change it to 

1379
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,920
fucking all. 
She does one thing the entire 

1380
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,440
time. 
She has one goal the entire 

1381
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:10,640
time. 
She just does the thing. 

1382
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,840
Technically, she was a little 
shyer at the beginning. 

1383
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,280
We get a flashback of that 
that's not really presented 

1384
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,680
throughout the show. 
Fucking Spike Spiegel, That's a 

1385
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,720
character people really like 
that I really like. 

1386
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,400
You've not seen the show? 
Yeah. 

1387
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,840
Yeah. 
He doesn't fucking change. 

1388
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,400
He's the same guy. 
He's just fucking cool. 

1389
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,560
He's Soka, right? 
See Soka going through a lot of 

1390
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,520
character development. 
A little bit. 

1391
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,680
A little bit in the manga, yeah.
OK, so like past where the 

1392
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,120
anime? 
Is yeah, past where the anime 

1393
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:43,760
is? 
Yeah, a little. 

1394
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,440
Bit OK, did you did you like him
when you just saw the parts in 

1395
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:48,640
the anime? 
I like he's one of my favorite 

1396
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,720
characters ever. 
Yeah, OK, there we fucking go. 

1397
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,720
Including the manga. 
Yeah. 

1398
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,800
Like, I, I don't know. 
And there's something something 

1399
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,840
like like 2 characters that I 
think sort of like would 

1400
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,640
exemplify. 
This is like in in Haiku. 

1401
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,280
You have glasses guy. 
That's. 

1402
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,040
My GOAT. 
So he has that whole character, 

1403
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,520
right. 
But then you have someone like 

1404
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,840
Hinata who just does like 
volleyball go Burr and like he 

1405
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,800
gets better at volleyball and 
stuff, but he he stays the same 

1406
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,200
volleyball go Burr just the 
entire time. 

1407
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,520
That's fine. 
Yeah, it does what I'm saying. 

1408
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,920
Like static characters are 
fucking fine. 

1409
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,920
It's fine. 
It it they can be great. 

1410
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,000
You know, you don't need to 
start, you don't need to have 

1411
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,040
this character arc where you you
learn some, some valuable 

1412
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,200
lesson. 
It's actually good to have like 

1413
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:40,040
a moral standpoint of a thing. 
We we just talked about Devil 

1414
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,520
May Crybaby, right? 
Like I love Miki Nakamoto and 

1415
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,200
she's like one of my favorite 
characters in anime. 

1416
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,320
She is a good person, the 
beginning and the end. 

1417
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,040
And she doesn't really change. 
She's just like a virtuous 

1418
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,920
person. 
I love it when there are 

1419
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,520
characters with flaws and they 
don't change. 

1420
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,880
Sai Kamiki, another Monaco magic
character, she doesn't change 

1421
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,800
for the worst. 
And I love that. 

1422
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,800
I like, I love seeing that, you 
know, even, you know, I just, I 

1423
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,640
feel like there are so many 
examples that you can go through

1424
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,080
of characters. 
Every Kono super character. 

1425
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,800
The worst? 
Yeah, but like, I don't know, 

1426
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,880
Cosmo's never learned a fucking 
lesson, right? 

1427
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,280
And I would have shout out 
Preston, who did talk about one 

1428
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,760
of his hot takes to me. 
And part of it is how Cosmo is a

1429
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,720
sex pest and people overlook 
that because he's funny. 

1430
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,720
And 100% ideal. 
Yep. 

1431
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:45,280
OK, you heard it here, but like,
you know, Aqua isn't changing as

1432
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,880
a character, Darkness is not 
changing as a character. 

1433
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,120
There's a whole scene where 
Megamine is thinking about 

1434
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,240
changing as a character and 
cosmos like fuck no, go boom. 

1435
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,720
Like, you know, and that's part 
of what I love about there's 

1436
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,040
characters, right? 
Like I think there's something 

1437
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,920
good about not changing and 
following who you are and being 

1438
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,240
true to yourself, right? 
Sign of affection. 

1439
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,840
I'm not, I'm not hating on it. 
If you're 2 leads right, you 

1440
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,080
have Yuki. 
Yuki comes out of her shell. 

1441
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,640
I'm assuming as we go further 
there will be character growth 

1442
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,760
where she learns to express 
herself more and yada yada yada.

1443
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,360
Spoiler she does. 
Oh my God, it's me. 

1444
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,560
Haven't in what I've seen seen 
any hints of character. 

1445
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,960
He's actually just super fucking
hot and cool, and I imagine he's

1446
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,000
going to be super hot and 
fucking cool just the entire 

1447
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,640
time, and that's his role and 
that is fine. 

1448
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:44,280
And people like him, you know, 
fucking Kogamy from psychopaths.

1449
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,080
That's another character I don't
know. 

1450
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,840
Fern hasn't really changed at 
all. 

1451
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,400
And Friar and I really like her.
I'm sure she'll get there some 

1452
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,720
point in the manga, but it's 
going to take a minute because 

1453
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,720
I've read some of it. 
We're not there yet. 

1454
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:04,200
I still like her though, but she
still does, you know, Stark Bang

1455
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,240
Bang bang Friar and Sama that 
you're annoying, but I care 

1456
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:10,440
about you. 
Like, you know, I don't know, 

1457
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,720
I'm trying to think of other 
examples and I, I'm sure there's

1458
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,280
plenty of them, but like, I 
don't know, I know you said it's

1459
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,400
like your favorite thing, but 
like, I don't, I feel like 

1460
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,600
there's a lot of characters you 
really like that are actually 

1461
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,920
kind of static. 
Yeah, so I think there's like, I

1462
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,360
think it's like boils down to 
like the context of the show. 

1463
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,520
Cause like not every single 
character needs to have like 

1464
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:39,520
this enthralling back story to 
like really understand who they 

1465
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,640
are as a person and something. 
I think this is important, too. 

1466
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,640
They can have that and be 
static. 

1467
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,960
Yeah. 
Like Monkey D Luffy has 1000 

1468
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,720
episodes about him, and he's 
still Monkey D Luffy, and he 

1469
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,680
wants to be king of the pirates 
and that's who he is. 

1470
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,840
Like, you know? 
Yeah. 

1471
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,680
Sorry, but I think there's 
characters where when it doesn't

1472
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,320
happen, it like, I don't know, I
feel like there's like a vibe 

1473
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,160
check or something like that. 
Because like the one that really

1474
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,240
speaks to me where a character 
needed the development and to me

1475
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,720
didn't get it and significantly 
hindered the show because of it 

1476
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,120
was Baccago. 
Like straight up, when you have 

1477
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,080
five seasons of that static 
character, I think is an issue 

1478
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,840
where I think that that can be 
an issue with not having 

1479
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,400
character development. 
But I don't know, I think this 

1480
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,320
just comes out like the things 
that you were looking for in the

1481
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,200
things that you like in anime, 
where to me, resonating with 

1482
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,920
characters is a huge thing and 
development is part of that and.

1483
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,600
Yeah, no, I mean, I agree. 
And so like, but I also would, I

1484
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,320
guess I would want to flesh out 
like character depth and how 

1485
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,000
well they're fleshed out and 
character development, right. 

1486
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,080
You can have a character that is
not it's two-dimensional or 

1487
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,680
whatever and not very well 
known. 

1488
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:57,680
You don't know their 
motivations. 

1489
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,160
They have character development,
right? 

1490
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,400
They just change their mind on 
something or whatever. 

1491
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,160
Or they become a different 
person because XY or Z. 

1492
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:07,880
Then you could have a character 
that doesn't ever change, but 

1493
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,520
you completely understand their 
psyche and all of that. 

1494
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,840
You know, I don't know it. 
It's like weird, like, OK, do 

1495
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,000
you think Oscar? 
And the unjust as even Galleon 

1496
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,160
has character development. 
I think in the Rebuild she does,

1497
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:30,080
I don't think in the normal 1, 
not, not kind of because like, 

1498
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,120
so she's just she's like, so 
like I feel like with her 

1499
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,160
development, you needed a lot of
time because she's like such a 

1500
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:42,560
damaged individual that in the 
span of what we got, Evangelion 

1501
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,440
wasn't enough to like flesh out 
everything about her. 

1502
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,520
But I think with Rebuilds where 
we had like a time skip a little

1503
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,000
bit where like I think that 
showed a little bit more of her 

1504
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,360
character. 
Yeah. 

1505
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,760
So not, not the rebuilds, 
because the whole point of the 

1506
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,680
rebuilds is to to sort of flip 
this stuff on its script, right.

1507
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:02,960
But like Oscar's a character 
that we see, I don't think she 

1508
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,160
changes. 
I think she is the same person 

1509
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,400
at the start and the beginning, 
except for she's like broken 

1510
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,400
now. 
And I don't think I would 

1511
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,440
consider that changing, if that 
makes sense. 

1512
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:13,920
Like. 
Yeah. 

1513
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,960
And so like, that's another 
example of a character that I 

1514
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,160
think is incredibly deep and 
interesting and fleshed out. 

1515
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:26,520
That is static. 
She is, you know, she never gets

1516
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,480
over her need to be the best in 
everything. 

1517
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,880
And when that desire and 
everything doesn't match 

1518
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,600
reality, she breaks instead of 
changing, right. 

1519
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,280
She doesn't bend, she doesn't 
mold. 

1520
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,200
She stays the same and shatters 
because of it. 

1521
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:47,320
And that to me is like an 
example of a character that is, 

1522
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,520
is very deep and interesting, 
that is relatively static in far

1523
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,440
as who they are in their like, 
viewpoint of everything, you 

1524
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,920
know. 
So like, that is, I don't know, 

1525
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:05,920
this is like my thought, like 
have you ever seen not an anime,

1526
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,760
but have you ever seen Les Mis? 
No, OK, well, there is an anime.

1527
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,960
Check it out. 
OK fair enough. 

1528
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,000
I I'm supposed to show you what 
you like. 

1529
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,520
You'll you will like the Play 
Bass anime. 

1530
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,600
I'm just like, I'll get that. 
Fair enough. 

1531
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,960
But like, you know, there's a 
character in that who he's like 

1532
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,680
the the bad guy. 
He's like chasing after Jean 

1533
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,000
Valjean because he sold bread 
and he's like, oh, you need to 

1534
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,400
be in prison forever. 
And his name's Javert. 

1535
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,600
And he's like my favorite 
character. 

1536
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,760
And it's because he does he 
never changes. 

1537
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,040
And he has like a song about how
he never changes. 

1538
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,840
And then in the end, when he's 
saved by a criminal and he can't

1539
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,000
bring himself to like carry out 
the duty, like to the law and 

1540
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,960
everything, he kills himself 
because he's just like, I cannot

1541
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,280
change. 
I've made this abundantly clear.

1542
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,040
But the world is telling me that
I am wrong. 

1543
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,800
And so I am going to jump off 
this bridge like, you know, 

1544
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,040
because I just can't deal with 
the fact that I would need to 

1545
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,600
change who I am in order to 
reconcile this. 

1546
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,400
So like, to me, that's a really 
interesting version of a static 

1547
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,240
character, you know, So to me, 
character development is just 

1548
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:20,360
like held up as this pinnacle of
what makes a good character. 

1549
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,240
And I vehemently disagree with 
that. 

1550
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,480
I think it can absolutely be 
part of it. 

1551
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,520
I think it is great. 
I love character development. 

1552
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,160
A lot of my favorite characters 
do not change. 

1553
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:32,840
And I think that can be 
interesting. 

1554
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:37,840
And I think the depth attached 
to them is can be interesting. 

1555
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:42,240
And I think sometimes it would 
be bad if characters changed too

1556
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,240
much. 
You know someone like Rico? 

1557
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,000
Is that her name from Maiden 
Abyss? 

1558
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:52,360
Yeah, Rico, Yeah, yeah, we're. 
As she goes down and further and

1559
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,200
stuff is tough, but if she she 
never from what I have seen has 

1560
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:03,040
lost her desire for exploration 
regardless of the difficulties 

1561
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,760
placed in front of her. 
Right. 

1562
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:09,120
So like her changing to be like 
wait a minute holy shit this was

1563
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,960
a mistake. 
Would suck in my opinion. 

1564
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,120
Yeah, 100% yes, especially. 
How close they are, yeah. 

1565
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,840
Yeah. 
So like, you know, those are 

1566
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,520
sort of my thoughts. 
Like I, I I like it when 

1567
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:25,520
characters are true to who they 
are, and sometimes that involves

1568
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,480
not changing. 
Yeah, or you can be somebody 

1569
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:33,840
like Aaron Yeager and have 
reverse character development 

1570
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:39,800
and. 
I yeah, I OK, Yeah, that's the 

1571
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,760
thing. 
If you, if you tell yourself how

1572
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:51,320
to develop in the past, I don't 
know, you know, that's sort of 

1573
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,680
the, I don't know what, what do 
you think about that? 

1574
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,800
Because you, you, you said that 
was a spicy take, but that 

1575
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,400
that's what take. 
I want to get that out. 

1576
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,440
I just think it's overrated and 
it's like the only thing people 

1577
01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:03,120
look at when they're thinking 
about characters. 

1578
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,440
I just think there are so many 
more aspects to characters that 

1579
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:10,040
can make characters good. 
I think this kind of goes back 

1580
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,160
to like your deep conversation 
too, when you say like, you 

1581
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,800
know, like a character is like 
deep and well written and you 

1582
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,400
could have like well, what does 
it mean to be well written? 

1583
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,760
I think I agree with like your 
Monkey E Luffy take where it's 

1584
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,120
just like he's been the same 
character I think forever. 

1585
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,240
I'm sure there's little whatever
tidbits throughout the story 

1586
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,440
when. 
I was Googling like top static 

1587
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,520
anime characters like a lot of 
one piece fans said he was 

1588
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,280
static and maybe that was a year
ago when he's changed but at 

1589
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,320
some point if you're static for 
800 episodes you you were static

1590
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,520
for long enough for me to count 
you. 

1591
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,840
Yeah, and it comes out to like 
people love Luffy. 

1592
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,680
So to me, I think that's just 
like the benchmark of like what 

1593
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,120
a good and well written 
character is, as if people like 

1594
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,680
them. 
So when it comes to like 

1595
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,760
character development, though, 
this is more along the lines of 

1596
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,760
like, if you are looking for 
that in anime, like not 

1597
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,920
everybody looks for that shit. 
So that I think that's where 

1598
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,960
it's different, where it's 
something I seriously connect 

1599
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,160
to. 
It's something that why I love 

1600
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,000
Bob, why I love Boji, why I love
Guts. 

1601
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,920
Like it's these characters that 
do have huge character 

1602
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:19,280
development moments that I grasp
onto more than say somebody like

1603
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,280
a Monkey D Luffy. 
Like that's why Mob is one of my

1604
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,080
favorite characters. 
It's why Gus is one of my 

1605
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,200
favorite characters. 
It's because they have these 

1606
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,440
moments in their shows to 
develop them as a character. 

1607
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,840
So I, I, I think, I think I like
once you've got through 

1608
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,920
everything, I think it was a 
less of a spike because once you

1609
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,200
like explained it, it's like it 
makes way more sense. 

1610
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,680
But I think it's just, yeah. 
It's, you know, the presentation

1611
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,320
is sort of the thing and like, 
you know, I think having good 

1612
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,480
character development is good. 
Like we just watched girls bank 

1613
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,240
cry recently. 
I love Nina. 

1614
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,040
She's one of my favorite 
characters of the year. 

1615
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,160
And you know, she has like 
really good character 

1616
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,720
development and like self 
realization and everything. 

1617
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,120
You know, who doesn't so far 
have like a ton of character 

1618
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,720
development? 
Who Mao Mao? 

1619
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,520
Yeah, but it's like in this is 
like when we talk about like in 

1620
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,240
the context of the story, does 
she need to? 

1621
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,600
Because if she doesn't need to. 
Well, yeah, that that's fine. 

1622
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,720
The only. 
Exactly and. 

1623
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,400
That's because I guess what we 
could do is like for next 

1624
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,760
season, if she has like an 
interaction with a guard, like 

1625
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,280
maybe she just takes a step back
or something like that, could 

1626
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,840
that's character development, 
like learning from what happened

1627
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,640
from before. 
That way you'll get hit in the 

1628
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,840
face or something like that. 
Like it could be as simple as 

1629
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,240
that. 
And then Mama was still the 

1630
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,320
character that she's always 
been, which is her gremlin self.

1631
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,480
Yeah, I, I don't know, My 
thought is just like in a lot of

1632
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:43,600
these these shows like you like 
Uma Musa May. 

1633
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,360
Season 2. 
Season 1 was fine. 

1634
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,760
Season 2 is the goods. 
Yeah, but like, I don't know, 

1635
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,880
like the horse girls go Burr at 
some point. 

1636
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,600
Like, even in that like, they 
deal with adversity, gold. 

1637
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:58,920
Ship, she doesn't do anything, 
yeah. 

1638
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,560
She doesn't do Yeah, that's 
that's what I'm saying. 

1639
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,920
You know what I mean? 
Like you could have a great 

1640
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,400
character, not gold ship, but 
like you could think she's great

1641
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:06,920
like. 
She is. 

1642
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,520
No, she is. 
She's perfect. 

1643
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:09,160
You can. 
You can. 

1644
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,160
Like you're allowed to be wrong.
She is the horse horse girl. 

1645
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,960
I put it in AI generator and it 
spit out gold ship. 

1646
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,200
Yeah, that's. 
A bad thing? 

1647
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,760
Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's a
good while. 

1648
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,840
I only have a a special week 
here. 

1649
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,440
I don't have a gold ship, you 
know. 

1650
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:34,560
But like the show where opera 
girls fight each other, Yes, 

1651
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,880
some of those characters are 
pretty static. 

1652
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,840
They just, they're they do the 
thing. 

1653
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,560
Sarza, relatively static, has a 
goal. 

1654
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,800
She goes for it. 
She's going to achieve it. 

1655
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,680
And you adore. 
Sarsa favorite female character 

1656
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,080
in anime. 
Yeah, and like, I don't know, 

1657
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,360
like I, I'm sure she has like 
some moments of development, but

1658
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,000
I don't think she's changing 
fundamentally as a human. 

1659
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,880
She wants to play Lady Oscar. 
That is her goal. 

1660
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,800
She is happy. 
She is ganky. 

1661
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,880
She does all of these things and
she keeps going at it, you know?

1662
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,880
That's my girl, shout Sarsa. 
Yeah, she is not getting a 

1663
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,000
haircut to show that she has 
changed her her character. 

1664
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,560
I wish she'd like my girl Nino 
up there. 

1665
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,280
Fair enough. 
Have you seen you know what I 

1666
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,160
mean? 
Cause like sometimes character 

1667
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,840
development is great. 
Like when Nino goes from 

1668
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,760
drugging futuro to being like 
wait a minute motorcycles are 

1669
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:29,640
hot. 
I should date him, That's the 

1670
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,360
real. 
That's the real character 

1671
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,720
development. 
Don't drug your crush, just tell

1672
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,600
them they're hot. 
Yeah, but I don't know. 

1673
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,720
Yeah, I, I just want to give it 
off my chest because I, I feel 

1674
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,160
like because character 
development can be so evocative 

1675
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:48,600
and easy to chart, you know, 
started A ended B, it gets a 

1676
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,560
little overrated as far as what 
makes a good character. 

1677
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,840
For sure. 
Beautiful. 

1678
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,360
Beautiful. 
This was fun yeah. 

1679
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,920
I thought this was going to be 
like an hour and we got over an 

1680
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,840
hour and a half so good for us 
for sort of makeshifting this 

1681
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,680
episode mid episode. 
But we we did some planning. 

1682
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,560
You did more play than I did. 
I should say that, but I thought

1683
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:11,720
it worked out good. 
This was fun. 

1684
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,960
I wonder what? 
Let us know in like the comments

1685
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,400
or discord if you have any hot 
takes. 

1686
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,240
If you got a rant you got to get
something off your chest. 

1687
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,240
Spit my person. 
Do whatever you got to do, let 

1688
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,480
us know. 
Do you agree with any of ours? 

1689
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,040
Do you disagree? 
Do you have your own? 

1690
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,400
Did any of ours not go far 
enough? 

1691
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:36,640
What is more romantic, too many 
losing heroines or a sign of 

1692
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:40,000
affection? 
Let us know which one has has 

1693
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:44,400
more romance of those two shows.
I might just put that on discord

1694
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:45,600
and we can figure it out later. 
I. 

1695
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,760
Told you our discord is going to
be biased. 

1696
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,880
Yeah, because they're base. 
Shout to our discord if you want

1697
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,960
to be in a base discord. 
I don't even like I I don't even

1698
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,000
like to be losing heroines. 
I. 

1699
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,600
Think we're gonna say I don't 
even like our discord? 

1700
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,440
No, that was that was my my 
thankful episode where I said 

1701
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,000
you weren't allowed to be 
thankful for. 

1702
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,240
Her correctly. 
You gotta shoot three people in 

1703
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:09,720
the face, including. 
Myself. 

1704
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:11,960
Yeah. 
Well, you know, we'll get there.

1705
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,800
Yeah. 
I guess just to be perfectly 

1706
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,600
clear, I really like Sign of 
Affection. 

1707
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,160
I just don't find it 
particularly romantic. 

1708
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,440
And I do so two sides to every 
coin. 

1709
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,720
Miles, you have any parting 
words to your adoring fan before

1710
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,720
we head out? 
Hi, Mom. 

1711
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,120
I thought it was Steve. 
I I'm new new fan. 

1712
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,480
Oh, new fan. 
Shout out to Miles's mom and 

1713
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:40,560
shout out to everybody out there
who has listened and made this 

1714
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,080
far. 
If you want to support us, the 

1715
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,080
best way to do so is to like, 
comment, subscribe, leave a 

1716
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,440
review on whatever platform 
you're watching or listening to 

1717
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,440
us on. 
Next week for Watch Club, we're 

1718
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:50,840
watching Bang Dream. 
It's my goal. 

1719
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,200
We've been waiting for this and 
by we I mean like two of us. 

1720
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,320
So I'm really excited for that. 
Otherwise, in two weeks we are 

1721
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,640
doing our punishment fantasy 
football episode. 

1722
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,480
Hopefully if everything pans 
out, that should be what we are 

1723
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:05,160
doing in two weeks should be a 
lot like. 

1724
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,640
I hope we lose, so I hope that 
we have Taunton. 

1725
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,760
I hope, yeah, I hope like half 
of the people I we need 4 

1726
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,240
losers, 4 losers. 
It will be fine out of seven, so

1727
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,720
look forward to hopefully that 
in two weeks. 

1728
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,360
Wants to say thanks to Miles for
joining me. 

1729
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,840
As always, you're the best, 
you're the best and thanks to 

1730
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,480
everyone out there. 
We will see you next time. 

1731
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,760
Bye bye, bye bye, bye, bye bye. 
Bye bye, bye bye, bye, bye bye.