1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,920 Help me now. I'm finally fulfilled. 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,120 This is what my heart's been waiting for. 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,440 Hold me now. I'm finally fulfilled. 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,720 Pick me up to dance and pick me up again. 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,440 Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what do you say, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,360 anime? On today's episode we will be 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,800 doing our second ever recommendation episode with a 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,440 little twist. Instead of doing demographics or 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,840 genres that we would recommend, we'll be playing off the meme of 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,440 the Anime Starter pack and giving a few recommendations 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,640 based on various themes. So for like example the 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,000 pretentious Weave Starter Pack we have shows like Legends of 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,600 the Galactic Heroes, even Galliot and Ghosts in the Shell. 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Join me today on this episode is my lovely Co host, Miles Miles. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,280 How's it going? Oh, you know, it's going really 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,520 good. I just realized what I should 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,760 have done for these starter packs and I'm kicking myself, 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,400 but it's going to be a good episode nonetheless. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,120 We can always do a second episode of This Goes well or 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,440 something like that. Who knows? 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,160 River, If you want to hear us, just list 4 shows that are 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,880 mildly connected and make some jokes like that video. 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,200 Sick plug. Yeah you know we're always we're 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,200 always in the we're always trying to create new content and 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,800 different content and sometimes it sticks and sometimes it falls 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,200 right off the wall. So we will find out how the the 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,760 community reacts this. But I personally think this is a 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,640 good idea. I think it's fun people like 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,160 recommendations especially from somebody like me who has seen 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,520 like a shit ton and somebody like Miles who has taste. 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,280 So I I think it's AI think it's a good balance so. 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,000 Without further ado, Miles, I think you are going to start 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,760 things off with us with our your first like theme of anime 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,040 recommendation. Yeah, so you know just just to 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,040 prove how much taste. I have my first category for our 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,000 starter pack. We're gonna list 4 shows here 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,760 right that we think belong into this is like Baby's first 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,199 avant-garde anime. So if you're listening to this 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,480 and you're like, these anime aren't avant-garde, you 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,080 pretentious sack of shit, congratulations. 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,920 That's the theme. Oh, but before you list them, 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,840 since I'm a big baby, can you explain what an avant-garde 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,200 anime is? I absolutely can. 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,200 So like avant-garde is generally used to mean like new, 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,480 experimental, you know, different than the norm in some 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,360 way. The My Anime list definition, 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,080 which not all of these shows are going to fit into and for some 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,120 reason Higurashi Sotsu fits into. 49 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,520 And none of the other parts of the series is experimental 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,800 fiction which stuns conventional storytelling at the time it was 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,880 created. These stories often invoke 52 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,640 unsettled feelings because they were direct, traditional ways in 53 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,880 which we prefer to view or escape from the world. 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Narrative is avant. Garde works is avant-garde works 55 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,360 is often of higher importance than content. 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,160 No, it probably means to say end. 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,480 So yeah, the narrative is like maybe more important than 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,920 exactly what's happening. Like the nuts and bolts and sort 59 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:15,160 of like the feeling and the tone is what you're looking for 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,120 according to this. But it basically just means 61 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,680 things that break tradition norms. 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,600 They're sort of experiment to learn new. 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600 At the time they were creative. And so for my first one, I'm 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,600 going to do to Tommy Galaxy. So yes, this is like, I think if 65 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,360 you just sort of know this sort of thing, this is like probably 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,080 right where your brain went for this. 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,560 So why this is like a starter, avant-garde thing in my mind is 68 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,200 that overall this is a very approachable story, right? 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,160 This is about someone's experience at college and like 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,000 trying to make the most out of that time and trying to 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,400 reconcile with like potential regrets they had and how to make 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,200 the most of the time they have going forward. 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,600 That's super relatable, right? Everyone deals with something 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,240 similar to that. However, the way the story is 75 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 told is relatively unique, right? 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,480 You have this sort of time loop thing that's going on. 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,600 It's not clear exactly what role each person plays the role, like 78 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,399 you have a recurring cast that plays different roles in each of 79 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:23,560 these stories. It's not like a normal time loop 80 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,400 where things change and you can see like A cause and effect. 81 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,960 It's different each time in like relatively unique ways. 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,680 Aside from that, you have sort of the science Saru Ish art 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,280 style right? Which is definitely different 84 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:42,960 than what we normally see from anime, especially nowadays. 85 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Yeah, it's yeah. You have a lot more flat tones. 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,360 You have anatomy that's drawn differently. 87 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,680 You have all of that. And so that's sort of what I was 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,360 thinking about for for this. It's still a story that's like 89 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,640 very approachable, but it's telling that common, 90 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,920 approachable coming of age story that we get in a lot of anime in 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,360 a sort of a different, more unique way. 92 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,400 It's definitely not, you know, blowing all conventions or 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,080 anything, but it's also not cookie cutter by any means. 94 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,600 What? What are your thoughts on this 95 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,840 one? Pete no, I agree. 96 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,960 And man, I'm trying to do my best without spoiling it. 97 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,200 But like like you said, it's more of like you do have these 98 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,880 coming of age stories and how do you twist and turn it to make it 99 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,880 unique? And the Tommy Galaxy, to me, is 100 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080 one that stands out, especially when you have an entire 101 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,000 storyline around a sex doll or something like that, You know, 102 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,440 like, yes. That's that is different. 103 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,120 And I think the big thing that stands out for the Atomic Galaxy 104 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,360 is the art style. You mentioned it before you saw 105 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,560 the director is really known for a specific style of art 106 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,320 direction and animation and that alone to me stands out as 107 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,200 avant-garde. And then you mix in the story 108 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,280 itself and I do really think it's a standout. 109 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,040 It's a staple for this type of theme. 110 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,600 And yeah, I think it's a great starter pick. 111 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,400 Yeah. So I I was deciding between this 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,400 and ping pong initially, but so I decided that ping pong like it 113 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,280 does have the the same art style, right? 114 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:20,240 Because you know as you mentioned this art director has 115 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,840 like a very unique style that you could sort of just tell it's 116 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:28,280 them immediately. But I think ping pong story is 117 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:33,040 pretty grounded, right? It's it's just a sports anime 118 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,840 and it maybe it like goes a little deeper than some sports 119 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,440 animes do. But overall it's hitting all of 120 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,600 those same beats and it tells the story in a pretty similar 121 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,080 way. And so that that's how I sort of 122 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,720 came with the atomic Galaxy for that. 123 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,240 One I I agree because ping pong is you know, like 0. 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,800 I was just saying 0 to hero. But like you know, that style of 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,080 working hard and trying to be the best at something is not 126 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,360 something. Super unique and I think what 127 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,240 ping pong does more stands out is in its animation, whether 128 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,480 that's story or Tautomi. Galaxy I think mixes elements of 129 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,760 more than just animation to make it that avant-garde level. 130 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Yes, an avant-garde is just such a fun word to. 131 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Say it's very fun. The French were really on to 132 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:21,400 something so my next one is going to be perfect blue. 133 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,600 And honestly, if you're sort of looking for anything like this 134 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,560 at all, you know Satoshi Cone is just a good place to start for 135 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,760 almost all of his movies, to be honest. 136 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Like Paprika is going to give you something similar, as is 137 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,680 anything you watch, I guess maybe not Tokyo Godfathers, but 138 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:48,520 yeah, so I I went with Perfect Blue because it's it. 139 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,040 I feel like it hits a lot of the. 140 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,640 It's a it's graspable from the sense that it it's a thriller 141 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:00,120 and it feels like a thriller and it's paced like a thriller and I 142 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,720 I feel like you sort of get that common vibe from it. 143 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,920 However, it again deals with some stuff. 144 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,080 So like 1 main thing here is that you have a very unreliable 145 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,720 narrator and because of that you have like delusion and reality 146 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,680 sort of seamlessly blending into each other at different rates 147 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,440 throughout the story. Which is really cool, you know, 148 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,040 But it's also not the most common way to tell a story. 149 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,640 You know you're not normally supposed to be thinking is what 150 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,280 I'm seeing actually happening. But in a lot of ways these like 151 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,000 sort of you know crime mysteries and stuff do want you 152 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,400 questioning some stuff and what you're presented but maybe not 153 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,640 what you see on screen. So I think this just sort of 154 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,240 takes that concept a step further. 155 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,840 So it's still sort of grounded in its root genre, but it does 156 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,160 it in like a bit of an extra way that's that's more experimental. 157 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:09,000 You also have, you know sort of time is fluctuates in this. 158 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,600 It's not always completely grounded and at the end there's 159 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,800 still some question about exactly what happened, right. 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:21,120 You don't completely get a closed ending, you know, and 161 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,040 most stories of course have a closed ending. 162 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,600 You know they they end and you know what happened. 163 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,760 And that's not the case here. You know even like to be 164 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,360 continued endings. You know what happened. 165 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Maybe it's it's an open ending, but this one, you're not exactly 166 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,960 sure what happened and so that that makes it, you know, a 167 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,640 little bit unique, but it's still pretty grounded, all 168 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,040 things considered. And you know, that's why I 169 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,840 thought it would be like a good introduction to this. 170 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Pete, you love this anime? What are your What are your 171 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,840 thoughts here? You think it was a good choice? 172 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,360 You know, when you told me that this was going to be one of the 173 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,000 things that you wanted to talk about, I wrote down like what I 174 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,920 was thinking you might do. And I wrote down a Satoshi Cone 175 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,640 movie slash show because. I I think he really does stand 176 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,720 out whether it's Perfect blue, which to me is probably his most 177 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,200 avant-garde show. I think you could pick something 178 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,280 like paprika as well. I think Millennium Actress does 179 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,120 it in a little bit. Paranoia Agent I believe does 180 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,240 does as well. I wouldn't say Tokyo Godfathers, 181 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,720 but I think when you think of like directors, I think we've 182 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,640 hit the two on the head that that stick out to me are Satoshi 183 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,640 Cohen and USA. And I'm I think Perfect Blue is 184 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,240 a great, just absolute fantastic choice of an avant-garde style 185 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,680 show slash movie. Awesome. 186 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:41,120 Yeah, I I I agree. Which is why I picked it. 187 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,120 That's a good point, you know, But I, I, I think it's good. 188 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,440 And then it's also short, which is nice, right? 189 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Like it's a movie. There's not a lot of commitment 190 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,560 here if you're trying something outside of what you would 191 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:54,280 normally. Do I? 192 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,760 I agree. I think that's a big thing, 193 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,680 yeah. So my third choice here is 194 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:02,200 Serial experiments lane. Serial experiments lane honestly 195 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,880 gets pretty freaking weird at times. 196 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Like, I think out of the things that I've listed, it's 197 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:14,280 definitely the weirdest. And things happen that aren't 198 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,960 clear the most, and you sort of have to understand the theming 199 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,480 and everything of it to put it together. 200 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,400 What's really happening? What is nice and approachable 201 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,440 about serial experiments? This was made in like 2001 or 202 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,480 so, right? Like it was airing during 911. 203 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,440 Because there's that clip of the the text rolling over the OP is 204 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,880 that a lot of the theming and stuff is like about the Internet 205 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:48,560 and how that'll change humanity. And we've got almost 20 years, 206 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:52,920 you know, almost 25 years on this to to learn how that 207 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,960 affected humanity, you know? So at the time, it was dealing 208 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,320 with this brand new, not brand new, but very, you know, 209 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,720 relatively new thing that was connecting people. 210 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,320 Computers weren't in everyone's homes, you know, like all of 211 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,080 this stuff. And it was trying to examine how 212 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,440 that would affect humanity. And at the time, right, that was 213 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,120 like a new concept. And they did it in new ways. 214 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,640 And they asked questions that people hadn't asked before. 215 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,680 But now we've asked those questions a lot and people have 216 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,240 answered them in a lot of different ways. 217 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,960 And so I find that subject matter to just sort of be more 218 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 approachable. So if you understand like that 219 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,520 theming, which is pretty easy to grasp nowadays, in my opinion, 220 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,160 at least you'll be able to understand Lane, I think pretty 221 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,720 well. But you can still, you know, 222 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,120 you're sort of going in with some of the answers, but there's 223 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,200 still stuff to figure out. And that's why I think it's like 224 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,440 a good beginner choice for something like that, because 225 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,440 it's not dealing with something that's new to you. 226 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,480 You don't have to learn about a concept or deal with something 227 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,920 that's ongoing now. It's something that lots of 228 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,240 people who watch anime have a good grasp on, which is like the 229 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,000 Internet and how that affects the community. 230 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,200 So this is one of the rare shows that I haven't seen, but I think 231 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,680 it'd be really fun to. If you understand that concept 232 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,600 of knowing that, you know this show came out in 2001 and you 233 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,480 have to try to think about the mindset of what it would be like 234 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,960 if you were in 2001 and what they're presenting to you. 235 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,360 I think that's like a really fun idea of like a show in like 236 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,760 today's an age where to me that, like, that would be something I 237 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,240 would love to do for like watch club and like, you know, try to 238 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,680 pick the brain of each other of like try to imagine you're in 239 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:45,840 the shoes. When I guess in 2001 I was like 240 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,680 7 or something. I don't wait, that was ten. 241 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,400 There we go. I I forgot what year I was born. 242 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,680 And you're older than me. By a little bit, I was. 243 00:13:55,680 --> 00:14:00,600 Just like hold on, hold on. I I could do the math but I I I 244 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,960 do think like even I think it's even if it's a show that maybe 245 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,960 isn't doesn't hold up as well as maybe if it did in 2001. 246 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,080 I think it'd just be fun to have that in your. 247 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Like repertoire to like, think, have that mindset of being able 248 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,040 to think about when the show came out at that time. 249 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,960 So I big thumbs up for me. Yeah, I think it's something 250 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,720 similar to like Akira, right? Where? 251 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,240 It's like it's like very ingrained in when it was 252 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,240 released. Right. 253 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,560 And so you know that I think that's like, it's a good thing 254 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,960 to do and it helps you like apart from this whole Avant 255 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Garden, it's like trying to consume a show and think about 256 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,160 when it was me, you don't have to like, like it, right. 257 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,000 Like you don't have to be like, well, this was good in 1972. 258 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,240 So it it's good, you know, like you can be like, oh, this, this 259 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,600 sucks now, you know, But thinking about why people liked 260 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,040 it, you know, then is is probably a good thing to do. 261 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,840 I think it helps, you know, just be able to consume things 262 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,840 because I I guess like a, a thing that I've been thinking 263 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,440 lately is like nothing is popular for no reason, You know, 264 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,120 like, yeah, like even if I think something is like, bad, there's 265 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 a reason people like it and there's reasons people resonate 266 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,520 with it and wondering about that and trying to figure out what it 267 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,720 does well is is important. Like like if an anime came out 268 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,040 now about like say like AI or something like that. 269 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,960 And then in 20 years like who knows what AI is going to be 270 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,640 like. I have AI have an idea, but like 271 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,520 it's probably not even close to what I'm imagining. 272 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,240 And then like looking back at 20 years from now or 20 years in 273 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,880 the past and like? Seeing what we thought at the 274 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,600 time, I think it'd be such a cool concept. 275 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,560 And Lane can do that, since the Internet essentially controls 276 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:49,200 our lives in some way. OK, and my last one, It's a 277 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,600 pretty controversial choice for an anime. 278 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,960 Yeah, read the Human Echo VN. Wow. 279 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,840 That's wow. Yeah. 280 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,760 So here's the thing. You've watched these first three 281 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,360 and you've decided, fuck it, I love being pretentious. 282 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,520 It's great, You know, you're like, bring me all of this sort 283 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,320 of stuff. I I want everything that's like 284 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,800 weird and not normal. Well, here you have like a three 285 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:27,400 stacked meta story about writing stories, and each story is a 286 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,800 slightly different story about writing stories. 287 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,720 It's really fucking good. You also get to brag to people 288 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,560 that you did it, and honestly, that's what watching anime is 289 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,600 about. I know you know that you watch 290 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,840 anime so that you can talk to your anime friends about that 291 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,760 you watched anime. In this case, it's like reading. 292 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,240 Who wants to do that? So. 293 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,440 But that gives you extra avant-garde points, You know 294 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,800 what I mean? What a bizarre. 295 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,160 Yeah, like I did. You know, there's this new form 296 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,800 of consuming media where they just have like words and you 297 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,760 read them. And honestly, it's very similar 298 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,680 to watching an anime because you have words and music and there 299 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,960 are characters on screen and the only difference is you have to 300 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,480 Click to change the Subs. Honestly, there's voice acting, 301 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,920 it's it's literally just an anime you have to click a mouse 302 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,640 for. But I think it's a good one 303 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,880 because it does. It's like meta in the way where 304 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,960 the story is about writing stories and the person who's 305 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,960 writing it, and it's like a very interesting way to like examine 306 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,760 that. There is an anime for this, but 307 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,000 it's bad, so I didn't include it, you know? 308 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:47,600 But I think that it's it's like a very unique way to tell 309 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,080 multiple different stories in such a way like I think things 310 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,840 generally aren't stacked on top of each other. 311 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,320 You either if you have multiple stories, they're generally like 312 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,440 in parallel with each other as opposed to like layered on top 313 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,760 of each other like that. And so I think that is the the 314 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:12,800 benefit to that, so you. Yeah, yeah, I'm just picturing, 315 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,240 you know, like the meme where like the dude, it's like the the 316 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Galaxy brain meme where like each thing like his brain gets 317 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,160 bigger and bigger and smarter or whatever. 318 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,320 It's like. I watched the anime, I read the 319 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,400 manga, I read the light novel, I read the visual novel. 320 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,760 It's just like, if you want to be pretentious at avant-garde, I 321 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,360 don't know, like how much more you could get to the visual 322 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,600 novel. Like is there anything above 323 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,200 visual novel like writing a book or? 324 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,040 Like, right, right. Yeah, I wrote. 325 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,200 Yeah. Or I visited Hirakawa. 326 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Yeah, I think it depends on what you're like, trying to do, 327 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240 right? Because like human echo plays 328 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,160 with what the truth is by how things are written and stuff. 329 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,760 So like the fact that it's written is very important to how 330 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:04,560 it's trying to say things right. And then it also is like self 331 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,520 aware in sort of a way that it like knows that it's a game in 332 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,920 some ways but it doesn't super like it sort of glances there. 333 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:19,200 It never like completely breaks that and you know, but I think 334 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,080 that you know like reading obviously I feel like gives that 335 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,960 air of you know, but like it depends on what you're trying to 336 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,800 to do and for like what were you Kishi was trying to do? 337 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,680 I think like written is the best way to do that. 338 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,360 But I don't like, you know, for lots of things. 339 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:39,640 I think that if you had an anime that's just going to be the the 340 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,800 more pretentious way of like watching it. 341 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,160 You know what I mean? Like like Perfect Blue. 342 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,840 Could you imagine, like, the subway scene where she's looking 343 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,960 at the glass, but it's like a manga panel and you like, flip 344 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,440 it? Like that's just not as good, 345 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:52,960 right? It. 346 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,800 Doesn't hit like, yeah, it wouldn't hit as much. 347 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,520 So this point being, whatever your favorite media is, you 2 348 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,240 can be avant-garde. I love it. 349 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,520 So now we get to the point where I get to critique your list and 350 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,200 where I thought for the most part knows very well I'm. 351 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,240 I'm a little surprised you left out Devil Man Crybaby just 352 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,240 because of how much of A advocate you are for that and 353 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,520 also you can be prestigious by saying you know like A1 anime of 354 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:28,040 the year it beat my Hero Academia like that's I I swear 355 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,520 that was only get slipped in also for me when I think like my 356 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,240 staple for avant-garde is Fuli Cooley but just like the 357 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,000 allegory of puberty that the story tells I thought that maybe 358 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,360 would get mixed in there and it's also like 6 episodes but I 359 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,280 think the perfect blue can kind of be like that short form, 360 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,760 avant-garde style storytelling that you don't need all these 361 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,920 long running things especially the human echo visual novel so. 362 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,760 Yeah, so I didn't include Devil Man Crybaby because I don't 363 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,760 want. People to be scared off. 364 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,240 That's true. That's a good point. 365 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,760 Like a lot of people have, myself included, but I like, 366 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,200 loved it. Like a very negative reaction to 367 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,360 the ending of that show. People did not like it. 368 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,440 I think it's beautiful. I think it makes perfect sense 369 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,160 and I dropped my score because of it. 370 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,280 Yeah. OK. 371 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,920 So I like. It's the Super fair I need to 372 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,320 like. To go to therapy after it. 373 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,120 That's why I. Gave it a 10. 374 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,040 Only show the baby go to therapy 10 out of 10. 375 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,880 You know, so like for for me and it also, I mean it, it 376 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,040 definitely has like the approachable thing, right? 377 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,000 It's like your standard heroes story, just sort of different. 378 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,040 But there's also, like, I mean, I don't there's a lot of sex in 379 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,320 it. There's necrophilia in it. 380 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,400 There's. A lot. 381 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,560 I mean it. I I don't necessarily think it's 382 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,640 like the world's most approachable thing. 383 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,360 You know what I mean? Like, I could show, you know, I 384 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,040 like my dad, and I could watch serial experiments. 385 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,440 Lane, you might think it's, like, weird, but he wouldn't 386 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560 judge me for it. You know, if I showed my dad my 387 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:21,440 dad, Devil man Crybaby, he'd be like, yeah, the demon order 388 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,960 seed. Yeah, that might get a little. 389 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,720 Yeah, yeah, the yeah, there's a few things on there. 390 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,520 You just be like, OK, pal, this is innovate weirdo. 391 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,440 Yeah for fully Cooley, you know I don't I don't know why I 392 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,280 didn't pick it. I think that I I just don't 393 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,040 resonate with it as much like I did enjoy it I I think I even 394 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,160 gave it a pretty high score but like it doesn't really like hit 395 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,040 for me the way that that these did and. 396 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,880 I get it. That's a really good choice 397 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,600 though. You're right. 398 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,400 Like that's a lot of people's like first sort of like out 399 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,520 there anime and it helps like it was on a Toonami and stuff like 400 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,160 that. Yeah, no, but I mean, that's 401 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,640 that's a very good choice for it, right? 402 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,640 Like, it's got evocative, memorable scenes. 403 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040 It tells things in sort of like a unique and weird way. 404 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Like a freaking TV comes out of the dude's head. 405 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,480 Like, yeah, that's that's a very good choice. 406 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,480 Cool. All right, well, that's Miles 407 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,960 first one. Now I'm going to pass it over 408 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,560 back to me. So are you sick of the typical 409 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,640 middle school, high school student, council hand holding, 410 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960 blushing, that style of storytelling where it's like 411 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,880 where are your parents? So that's why I'm labeling my 412 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,400 theme as is where are you parents? 413 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,640 These are going to be shows with an adult themed and adult cast. 414 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,000 The first one I have up also I I did this a little differently 415 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,640 because when you have like when you recommend anime to like 416 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,120 you're the first people do you want recommend them peak or do 417 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:49,400 you want to recommend them like an 8 out of 10 and I'm going to 418 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,160 start with an 8 out of 10. So my first one is called Wave 419 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,520 Listen to me it is a story where I think a lot of people will get 420 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,200 this. A girl gets broken up by her 421 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,760 boyfriend and she goes out for drinks and she's very upset to 422 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,400 the point where she blacks out and hi jinx ensues. 423 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,760 But what she finds out the next morning was that she was at a 424 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,160 bar talking to this guy drunk rambling, talking about 425 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,040 relationships and this guy is a radio producer and he likes her 426 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,880 story so much he's like we need to put you on the radio. 427 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,160 So if she starts her own like relationship style radio show 428 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,720 based off of her breakup and it it has really fun elements 429 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,440 because she's able to do like her or show at like 3:00 in the 430 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,040 morning. So it can be a little bit more I 431 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,880 I want to say like risque but like a little bit more adult 432 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,000 themed, a little bit more. The concepts are a little bit 433 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,560 more adult where if kids were listening you're not allowed 434 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,640 like the swear type of thing. It's like when TV shows at 10:00 435 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,160 and the kids can or the the shows can swear on NBC or 436 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,240 something like that. And it's an overall just a wild 437 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,240 hijinks style show where the lead character is just this I 438 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,440 would say emotional wreck. But she is definitely in a 439 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,840 vulnerable state and having this opportunity to express herself 440 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,560 on the radio she starts getting like a following. 441 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,800 And yeah it's just it's just a show that honestly I it's one of 442 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,960 like the only ones that I know of that does something like 443 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,720 this. The the female voice actress is 444 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,760 one of the best voice acting performances like ever for me in 445 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,440 anime. I think it's incredible. 446 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,160 The biggest problem with the show though is like it kind of 447 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,440 like has an abrupt ending and the the needs more content and 448 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,960 it's like go read the manga type of thing. 449 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:42,640 But I think if you're looking for adult cast and you just want 450 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,760 to like laugh and have a good time with like drunk idiots, 451 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,160 there's not many shows like this. 452 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,480 I definitely recommend Wave. Listen to me, What do you think, 453 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,200 Miles? Yeah, so as a big expert on 454 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,920 wave, listen to me, a show I had definitely heard of before 34 455 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,720 seconds ago. Yeah, I don't know. 456 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,520 So I have some questions, but I'm going to save them for the 457 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,880 end of your list. So I mean this this does seem 458 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,240 like like a very like the what I expected from this list so far, 459 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,280 but I do, I do have some questions. 460 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,160 So, but I want to see what the rest of your list is like. 461 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,640 OK, so the second one that I'm recommending is like Peak Level 462 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,000 Adult Cast. It's a show that we have 463 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000 reviewed on this show. It's actually a show that we 464 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920 haven't tied for a highest rated show ever. 465 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,120 And that's odd taxi. So odd Taxi. 466 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,640 I I think it's just an incredible adventure of fun. 467 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:45,000 Mystery hijinks. The the adult cast as Oh my God, 468 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,480 how do I say that word? They're animals. 469 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,120 There we go. English is not my strong suit 470 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:57,840 and what starts off as like a a pickup in a taxicab leads to a a 471 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,120 series of events that the night just gets more and more wild and 472 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,200 more and more crazy as as the days insist. 473 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,040 It's one of like it was like an anime of the year contender when 474 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,200 it was released in 2021. Everybody on the podcast loves 475 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,080 it. I think it's this maybe even 476 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,160 could have been like in the avant-garde section maybe but 477 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,880 Odd Taxi to me is just I I don't know if I've ever met a person 478 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,160 who didn't like Odd Taxi. That, that, that's the that's 479 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,160 what I'm getting at with this adult theme. 480 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,800 Miles, you have any thoughts on this or should I go to the next 481 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,720 one? You know, I love this because I 482 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,480 would have not thought of this as like an adult cast show in a 483 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,560 million years, even though that's a hunt. 484 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,160 You're like, you're 100% correct, but they're animals. 485 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,720 So I just wouldn't have considered it. 486 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,960 But I I really like this, this choice I right. 487 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,920 You have people working jobs from different walks of life. 488 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,640 You get like a wide breadth of, you know, human experiences in 489 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,440 this. And you deal with like a lot of 490 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,400 I guess adult sort of issues and stuff and then also that like 491 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,160 one kid who's in it. But yeah, no, I I love this 492 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,440 choice. I think it's great. 493 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,760 Good job because that's what I got. 494 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,720 I think this this fits in and I I like your category because you 495 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,320 can get so diverse with it, right? 496 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,440 You know, it's definitely something that's like missing 497 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,040 from anime, like a. Continual amount of good adult 498 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,240 cash shows, but they're also super diverse. 499 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,880 I think as you're showing us now, awesome. 500 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,000 OK, moving on to the next one. Do you like head tilts? 501 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,960 Do you like Studio Shaft? Do you like Monogatari but you 502 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160 hate the pedophilia? Well, I got the show for you. 503 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,520 So brave. So, I mean, why are you booing 504 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,200 me? I'm right. 505 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,760 I thought about doing. Baqim under Guthrie for my 506 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,480 avant-garde section as well. OK, so think of that, but with 507 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440 an adult cast. The show is called Arcala Under 508 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,640 the Bridge. It is a story about a adult 509 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,040 salary man who's like this multi millionaire who gets enamoured 510 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,600 with a girl who claims to be an alien who lives underneath a 511 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,400 bridge. She's essentially homeless. 512 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,760 So he's so enamored with it. He decides to move. 513 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560 Also underneath the bridge. He sort of like builds himself a 514 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,440 penthouse in like the bridges, like rafters. 515 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720 It's kind of cool, but the story takes place underneath the 516 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,040 bridge where it's like a cast of characters and misfits all 517 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,280 coming together. And they all have like their own 518 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,280 unique like issues, but it's done in like a funny way. 519 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,840 So like for example there is like this failed musician who 520 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,520 wears a star head and he he wants to be a musician but he's 521 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,200 he's ashamed of his past because he failed as a musician. 522 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,680 So he hides himself under like literally wearing a mask. 523 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,520 So it has like these themes of that's just like 1 theme of like 524 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,320 failure as an adult and there's a bunch of these different 525 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600 characters in it. There's like a male nun who 526 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,360 wields like dual Beretta's and shoots people it it's really 527 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,640 wacky. So, like, if you like the 528 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,160 storytelling and wackiness of Monogatri, but more of like an 529 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,800 adult theme with like problem solving, I really recommend 530 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,000 Aracal Under the Bridge. I know, Miles, you never, I 531 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,080 don't even know if you've heard of it. 532 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,840 But what What are you thinking so far this one? 533 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,160 Yeah. So I'm going to, I'm going to 534 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,720 follow up with the question, do you have me intrigued by this? 535 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,760 I mean, I like head tilts and I don't like pedophilia. 536 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,160 So like that's. I mean, those were the. 537 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,680 Those are the two things. That's where I got. 538 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,240 Them. Yeah, you you for sure you got 539 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,120 me there. This kind of like, I don't know, 540 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,960 the 1st, and this is contrary to your point, but the first thing 541 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560 it reminds me of is like Hina Matsuri, just from your. 542 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,480 Oh yeah, a little bit, yeah. Yeah, like, I mean, just based 543 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,280 off of the keywords, right, that I pulled the homeless alien, 544 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,600 they are both homeless aliens, yes, Yeah. 545 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,520 But yeah, no, I this is this is interesting. 546 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,440 I have I have a plane flight Maybe I'll I'll watch this 547 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080 instead of shows that people keep on telling me to watch. 548 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,760 I think it's also Aragi's voice actor does it so it's like very 549 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,320 Monogatri esque. The art style is very similar. 550 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,200 It doesn't have like the same like word play that they do in 551 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480 like the Monogatri series with like the panels. 552 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,000 But it is a very fun and I personally think it's a unique 553 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,320 style of storytelling with like these adult themes all everybody 554 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720 sort of like having this problem and like some are like some like 555 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520 choose to be homeless and some of them but like are homeless. 556 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 So like that idea. I feel like another like Hina 557 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,760 Matri thing where it's this like it has cool themes just it's I 558 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,200 don't want to spoil too much without saying but if that 559 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,080 piques your interest I definitely check out our account 560 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,000 under the bridges too. And the last one that I'm going 561 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,200 to recommend is actually a show that came out last season that I 562 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,960 absolutely fell in love with. And I I find it a theme because 563 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,880 I wrote on a fifth one that with my cast, adult cast, I'm a big 564 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,240 fan of like mystery when it with an adult cast. 565 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920 I think you can do a lot of fun when you have an adult cast and 566 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,120 it's called undead girl Murder farce. 567 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:28,440 It takes place in the world with like Lupin and Frankenstein and 568 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,240 Dracula and like those literary themes whilst all solving these 569 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,840 different types of mysteries together. 570 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,880 So the main dude is an Oni, the main girl is an immortal human 571 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,880 kind of person, but like, she lost her body. 572 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,000 But since she's immortal, she can just live by only being a 573 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,200 severed head. And it's their journey together, 574 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,040 solving a mystery that they were hired to do. 575 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,560 And yeah, just the mix between like literary characters, I 576 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,160 think it makes it a lot of fun. The action's great. 577 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,640 The OP is one of the best of the year and I to me it just it 578 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,760 serves a great niche that I think is missing in like 579 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,000 seasonal anime with with mystery where I think we get like 1A 580 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,640 year that like really stands out. 581 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,960 And to me this is the one that stood out to me this year. 582 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,200 I think like previous years like Moriarty, the Patriot and I also 583 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,080 mentioned Odd Taxi, we usually get like one per year and this 584 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760 is mine this year. So I highly, highly recommend a 585 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,320 fun adult fee adult cast like Comedy Mystery and those are my 586 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,960 4. Wow, I think. 587 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,200 I can't believe that I haven't been pushed to watch this more. 588 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,920 Oh, you should have watched my review or I gave it a nine. 589 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,840 That would have spoiled it for me that that's maybe true. 590 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,240 OK, so my question for you, one, like all these shows. 591 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,520 Two, very impressed that you didn't put any workplace 592 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,840 comedies. I think like everybody's already 593 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,280 seen like Waldo Koi, and if we're doing like 594 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,920 recommendations, I also don't think Waldo Koi is necessarily 595 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,280 like a good one because if you're new to anime, otaku 596 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,440 culture, I think can be a little confusing. 597 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,120 Yeah, that's true. I wasn't new to anime and it was 598 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,280 still a little confusing for me. Two things I guess I would ask. 599 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:29,719 One, what do you think makes these approachable from like, 600 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,560 OK, you're trying to get out of like your standard thing? 601 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,719 And then two, how many of these shows, 'cause I think I've only 602 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,159 seen none of them. Is that correct? 603 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,480 I, I think, no, you've seen out tax, are you? 604 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:44,120 Yes. I've seen on Taxi. 605 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,639 Yeah. OK. 606 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,679 So I've seen, I've only seen one of them. 607 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,000 And I I like, I think on Taxi is like super approachable, right? 608 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,199 Like it's a, it's a mystery like this, right? 609 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,600 And it follows a Western sort of style and everything. 610 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360 So I I love that. And you were talking about how 611 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,960 undead girl murder farce has like common literary figures and 612 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,440 stuff that you're like, familiar with. 613 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,600 So that that's for sure approachable. 614 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,480 Like, So what? How? 615 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,320 What percentage of these shows do you think necessitate an 616 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:23,040 adult cast? Oh necessitates an adult cast. 617 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,720 Yeah, you know what I mean Cause like a lot of the like shows 618 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,080 could and I haven't seen a lot of these, right? 619 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,480 Like I think odd taxing necessitates an an adult cast. 620 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,720 They're like primarily because you have, like, he has a day 621 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,080 job. That's how you get around. 622 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,960 He's interacting with people with that job. 623 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,960 He has a friend who's sort of like bumming off of him and 624 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,560 stuff and like they're not in school or, you know, like the 625 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,400 fact that they have nowhere to be during periods of time 626 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,600 matters, you know? But sometimes I I would get like 627 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200 your first show. Wave something. 628 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,920 Listen to me. Wave, listen to me. 629 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,720 Feels like it could in theory, take place in high school a 630 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,840 little bit. Because, like, the big thing 631 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,040 about it is especially the first episode is like the aspect of 632 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,520 drinking, like getting black. I think we've all been blackout 633 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,400 drunk before. Every single person, every 634 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,760 single person that is of age, has been blackout drunk before. 635 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,880 But I think it has like those elements of like a breakup 636 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,680 expressing yourself. And then I I think in this one, 637 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,600 it's it's the the rebound aspect of a breakup. 638 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,800 And this is more of like her coming to terms with it and then 639 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,520 a rebounding in a way that instead of fighting a new 640 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,640 relationship, it's expressing yourself through this radio 641 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,320 show. And I I think I I guess when it 642 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,000 comes to like all these shows, the big thing for me from what 643 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,560 I've seen and what I've interacted with is just people 644 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880 who maybe, you know, like something like Kagya. 645 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,080 To me, it's a great show. It's super funny. 646 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480 I like the romance, but a lot of people just don't like the fact 647 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,640 that it's set in high school. I think like the idea of just 648 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,280 having an adult cast in a show is the selling point and like 649 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,720 that's what makes it like what people are looking for. 650 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:22,240 I I think necessarily the the genre doesn't necessarily have 651 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,320 to be 1 specific thing. I think it's just looking for 652 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,880 something that people can relate to, especially like people in 653 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,080 like our community that's a little bit older, but they just 654 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,640 want an adult cast and then that and that's it. 655 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360 And you do you think that like it handle because like 1 656 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,480 criticism I would throw at like woe to Koi is that I don't think 657 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,000 they necessarily handle their issues like adults all the time 658 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,720 And so like for this for this show. 659 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,280 So this is this is I asked you a bad question. 660 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,480 So the the good question would be that's a good question. 661 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,560 Well, I I think that like, you can differentiate. 662 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,720 Like, sure, that show could be in high school, right? 663 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,880 It could be about a high school girl who breaks up and then 664 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,400 joins the radio club and then right. 665 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080 Like, and that's about the same show, you know, and high 666 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,000 schoolers drink sometimes, but like not much in Japan from from 667 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,680 anime's perspective. I don't. 668 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,080 I don't see them getting drunk a lot, but I think that might be 669 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,080 more. Optics. 670 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:28,040 Yeah, but I guess like, you think that these characters 671 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:36,400 handle an act like adults. Yeah, I I it does definitely 672 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,880 have, you know, I think they do sprinkle in, you know, the the 673 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,760 anime where it's a little comedic. 674 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,720 It's a little over the top in some aspects where there's still 675 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,520 that style of anime that's not going to be like a live action 676 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,280 drama. It's still going to have like 677 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,480 the silliness, I feel like, of an anime where something like 678 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,480 our cow under the bridge is while it's dealing with, I think 679 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,720 real issues that people deal with, whether in the show it's 680 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160 little spoilers. People deal with like depression 681 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,400 and like losing your job and stuff like that. 682 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,520 They still make it in a way where you're having fun with the 683 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,520 show because like the characters are fun and I think that's like 684 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,400 what anime does. So it in a way sort of like your 685 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,640 water coy thing. Where do they handle it like 686 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960 adults? Not really, because I still 687 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,320 think there's like that anime element to it, but I still think 688 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,960 for the most part you get enjoyment out of it being like 689 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,200 75% real to like what you're thinking if it was like real 690 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,760 life. So yeah, it's kind. 691 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,720 Of like that. I think that's fair, right? 692 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,480 Because, like, I don't know if you've ever watched like The 693 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,880 Office, right? But the most overrated TV show 694 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,840 of all time? That's an insane thing to say. 695 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,240 I stand by that. I hate that show. 696 00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:00,200 Man, How I Met Your Mother exists, so Seinfeld exists so 697 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,120 many. Well, Seinfeld the the first 698 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,040 like three seasons of Seinfeld are bad. 699 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,960 And then it gets good, and then it gets bad again. 700 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,560 OK. You can say that with The 701 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,040 Office, right? At first, I don't know. 702 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,760 I watched one episode, The Office. 703 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,920 I dropped it. That was it of season one. 704 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,720 OK, anyways, I'm like you know, like season one is bad. 705 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,480 My anime takes are bad. You should see my TV 706 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:32,680 recommendation. Watch scrubs watch parks and OK 707 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,000 that what how they're so parks rec is better there's it's so 708 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,200 much better. I'm not opposed to that take. 709 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,760 I think it's wrong but I enough people I know have like an 710 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,040 office thing. It's it's a so far you like 711 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680 where it's you know like White does something stupid and Jim 712 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,320 looks at the camera. It's like, oh, OK and the Jim? 713 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,840 I'm Leslie. Nope. 714 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,840 I love Parks. I'm Ron. 715 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,840 I love libertarianism. Yes, I'm Aziz Ansari. 716 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,760 I'm hip, yo. Treat yourself. 717 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,880 I did it. I did the show. 718 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,560 You did it, man. I love that show, so I don't 719 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,160 want to hate on it too much. It's like my top five though. 720 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,160 I fucking love Parks and. Rec Anyway, so Parks and Rec is 721 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,320 a perfect example, right? Like their caricatures, they're 722 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,040 funny, but they're still adults, right? 723 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,040 Like. Yeah, except for anti Parks and 724 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,880 Rec is an anime. Yeah, for sure. 725 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,440 Anyways, that brings me to my next recommendation for Anime 726 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,520 Parks and Rec. Oh, good choice. 727 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,760 It's good choice. Yeah, absolutely. 728 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,960 OK, so. As I've talked to people about 729 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,400 shows and stuff, I found that people hate giant robots. 730 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,320 They do, They do, and it ruins whole shows for them. 731 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600 But then I've talked to the same people and they actually love 732 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,800 giant robots, and they have a bunch of shows with giant robots 733 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,920 in them and their favorite shows of all time. 734 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,520 And so I have tried to figure out where this disconnect comes 735 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,560 from. So my starter pack is mech 736 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,080 shows. People who hate mecha shows, I 737 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,800 love this. So we're going to we're going to 738 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,440 go in what I consider the order of least Mecca to most Mecca. 739 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,040 But all of this should be approachable, even if you don't 740 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,160 like giant robots that much, or if you you've tricked yourself 741 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,880 into thinking that you don't like giant robots. 742 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:35,400 So first 86, you mean 43? 438086 I hate to break to all 743 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,640 y'all, but 86 is is the Mecca. There are Mecs in it. 744 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,440 They're just not humanoid and that's a big thing for some 745 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,720 people. So that's that's why I've 746 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,360 included here. Pete is a known 86 hater. 747 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,760 I am a known 86. Thought it was good or yeah, I 748 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,520 enjoyed it, but I think there's a lot of. 749 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,440 Stuff. And a lot of people like it for 750 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560 a reason. You have some pretty good 751 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480 character work, you have great cinematography, you have really 752 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,480 hype moments. There's a lot of times that I 753 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,240 felt like I was really invested in characters and everything, 754 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,160 and then I thought about it more and I decided that I wasn't. 755 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,160 But at the time of watching it, I I really did think I was 756 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,080 invested in these characters. You know, and so I think you 757 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,240 would have a lot of human elements in this. 758 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,640 You know, it's not the show is very much not about the mechs in 759 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,160 almost any way. There's a few things about them, 760 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,520 how they work, you get some diagrams, the enemy army's like 761 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,800 sort of self autonomous spider mechs or whatever. 762 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,480 But I think that what you mostly have here is a character drama 763 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,920 with like a backdrop of some mechs. 764 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,680 So if you wanted to watch 86 but that mecha tag sort of scared 765 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,520 you off. Give it a go is what I would 766 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,680 say. We're all playing Miles Bingo 767 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,920 with this one. So I wrote down that the four 768 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,920 shows that I thought you were going to list and right now 769 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,680 we're shooting 100% because I also agree. 770 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:05,000 Whereas I put my personal bias aside, I think 86 is a great 771 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,720 starter or starter pack anime for you know the the Mecca fans 772 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,440 who or the non Mecca fans who actually like Mecca but they 773 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,840 don't know type of thing. Yeah, 86 is a great choice. 774 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:23,440 OK, so #2 for me is code GEOS 2 for two. 775 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,960 Let's go. I I think you might get fucked 776 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,400 on the 4th 1:00. We'll find out, because my 4th 777 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,280 one is a little a little different too. 778 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,000 Oh. OK so code geos again. 779 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,800 I am so sorry everyone, it's a Mecca. 780 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,880 Show there are mecca's and they actually care about them a 781 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,560 little bit. They even have. 782 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,080 Some special Mecas for the main characters, they have names for 783 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,600 them, right? Like you have your Nightmare 784 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,240 units and then like you have the Lancelot, which is the special 785 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,080 one. So there's there's stuff there. 786 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,720 However, there's a lot of stuff going on outside of the Mecca 787 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,240 and the Mecca. There aren't like a ton of Mecca 788 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,560 fights or anything in this. There are some, but there's a 789 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,720 lot. Kodakas is actually just Death 790 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,560 Note, right? Like, oh, that's a that's an 791 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,040 interesting cake. I haven't heard that one. 792 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,240 Where it's like you have like the sort of like psychological 793 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:21,120 drama with someone who has you know, who's like super big 794 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,040 brained and Lelouch who's trying to get this very lofty goal, you 795 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,960 know, And he's using his sort of ability to do that and he puts 796 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,800 his brains against other people's. 797 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,120 But he's got a little bit of an advantage and the advantage 798 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,440 isn't. The mech. 799 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,360 His mech isn't even that good compared to his enemies, Max. 800 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:46,680 So while mechs are used in the army and they're like an 801 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,480 important plot piece and everything, they're not, we're 802 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,280 not showing off mechs here, right? 803 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,640 Like this isn't the whole thing here. 804 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,680 So I I think that again, you know if you've heard a lot of 805 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,280 good things about codegios, but that mecha tag that makes you a 806 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,360 little not want to watch codegios. 807 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,560 I would say give it a go. There's a lot of time between 808 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,040 MEX and this. Lots of the action doesn't 809 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,640 include the MEX. You know, it's not a commercial 810 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:27,680 for model kits even though I have a Lancelot model kit, you 811 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,080 know, so that that's my thought. I think there's a lot to the 812 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,880 show. It's pretty long and. 813 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,600 In that there's not a ton of neck density. 814 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,840 What is your thought here, Pete? I mean, you agreed, right? 815 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,280 So I I agree because I I do think that the mechs comes 816 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,880 second to like the magic in the world, while I think the focus 817 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,520 is on the geos itself and the mechs are more of the tool of 818 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,680 solving the conflict outside of what can't be solved by the 819 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,840 geos. And I because like I'm in the 820 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,560 camp of, I don't mind mechs. Like I don't actively search out 821 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,040 mechs shows. I will watch them and for the 822 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,000 most part I enjoy them. And Kogias to me is one that 823 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,240 absolutely stands out when I I feel like when the mechs aren't 824 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,800 the focus and you kind of get them in like burst, that's when 825 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,200 I enjoy it the most And Kogias for me does that and I also 826 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,520 wrote down on my list on 2 for two. 827 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,400 So I absolutely love that pic. Yeah, I that that's that's where 828 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,760 I'm at. Like I to me like I've never 829 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,840 understood personally like and I get everyone has things that 830 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,800 that they don't like or whatever and like that's super fine. 831 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,920 I'm not telling you what to like or not but I am. 832 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,920 I'm going to do it right now. Yeah, hold on. 833 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,280 Like like settings aren't genres and I've just never been 834 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,000 bothered by a setting personally. 835 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,080 And like tools or so you know what I mean. 836 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,520 It's like. And we know people who are like, 837 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,600 I don't like swords, but like not liking Mex has always been 838 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,320 to me. Like I don't like shows with 839 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,680 swords on them. And it's like I like robots. 840 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,720 It just seems yeah, it just seems like weird to me. 841 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,680 Oh, I think I OK. If if you get, don't tell me 842 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,040 what your guesses were because I think I have guesses for what 843 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,760 your guesses were. If if that doesn't work, so the 844 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,040 third one I have and I'm gonna need your assistant with this 845 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,960 because I have not watched this show. 846 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,880 Oh, wow. OK. 847 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,120 But this is just based off my experience with people who say 848 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,600 they don't like Meccas and then also love this show. 849 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,480 And this show is Gurren Lagann. So what I do know about Gurren 850 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,400 Lagann? Is that the mechs are kind of a 851 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,320 giant deal in this I see scaling. 852 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:53,400 Now I have a theory and you can tell me if I'm right or not on 853 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,440 this for why I think people who normally say they don't like 854 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,880 mecha like Gurren Lagann SO1. Gurren Lagann, by all accounts 855 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,440 is a very, very, very good show, and people will forgive a lot 856 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,520 for a good show 2. The scaling that I have seen for 857 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,520 the Mex Unger and Lagann is so fucking absurd and insane that I 858 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,680 think it stops counting. I think it's not actually about 859 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,600 robots anymore. It's about. 860 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,720 I feel like we can spoil this by now. 861 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,520 The the final episode, They fight God, essentially. 862 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,040 Yeah, so, like, there we go. I didn't know that, but it makes 863 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520 sense from what I have been spoiled on. 864 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,480 So, like, that's my thought. You know, like. 865 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:46,200 That it it stops. It's so ungrounded that any 866 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,080 amount of suspension of disbelief that would be blown 867 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:57,320 for someone just watching like a normal Mecca show is so blown by 868 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,840 what Kern Mcgahn is doing that it doesn't even matter anymore 869 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,920 because the intention is to just keep scaling right with the Mac. 870 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,440 Yes, there are so many other elements involved with Gurlagon 871 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,880 that I think that's what resonates with people because 872 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,160 the glow up of Simone from the first part to the second part in 873 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,080 his like coming of age is one of the best in anime. 874 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,080 I I love adult Simone. It's it's such a refreshing 875 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,400 storytelling of that coming of age where we see him. 876 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,240 I think. I think it's like 7 years for 877 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,360 the first part of the second part, like that really resonates 878 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:42,120 with me with it, the romance is Oh my God, it's so good, It's so 879 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,080 good. There's so many, there's so many 880 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,040 other elements in Guru Lagan that makes it stand out. 881 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,400 Where I think it's kind of like Code Geass where the the mechs 882 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,800 are like the vessel for everything else. 883 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,760 Where yes, the conflicts are solved by like the violent 884 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,040 conflicts are solved through the mechs, but I don't think that's 885 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,920 the focal point. If that makes it's it's hard to 886 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,960 say because you haven't seen it, but I think the people who have 887 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,040 seen it know exactly what I'm talking about. 888 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,040 Yeah, I mean that makes sense to me. 889 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,880 Now which one do you think? Kodgios or 'cause? 890 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,320 I'm trying to put these in Lee spec focus to most spec focused 891 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,680 for my recommendations. So did I place Gurin Lagan 892 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,920 correctly after Kodgios? I think. 893 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,040 I think they're interchangeable. I think they both have like 894 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,840 other elements in the story where the mech isn't as 895 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,280 important. There's just like the girl 896 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,400 Lagann is like, you know, it's like their transport vessel is 897 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,280 the robot. So like it's like a it's a much 898 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:49,560 bigger part of the story. So maybe it'd be two, I don't 899 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,800 know. But it's close. 900 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,720 It's interchangeable. OK. 901 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,000 So I guess you're 2 for three currently, right? 902 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,160 A2 for three. I was. 903 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,920 I I'll try to say it now. But no. 904 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,040 So I'm I'm going to do my 4th one it could be. 2 for two for 905 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,760 two. I didn't. 906 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,480 Did Girly Gone have been hard to guess because I haven't seen it 907 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,080 and you know I haven't seen it. Well, I was close. 908 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,360 I'll tell you after why. OK, because you thought I was 909 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,960 going to say Evangelion, I did not, actually. 910 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360 Oh, OK, there's one. Yeah, that was way more 911 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,320 promising than Ava for you. Oh yeah, OK, so this is where 912 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,680 the there the trick, the trick one comes in back on Titan, so. 913 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:34,600 Ratatouille. So this one is going to be very 914 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,960 mechi. I'm going to say a word that's 915 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,920 going to scare a lot of people who don't like mecha. 916 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,080 Let's start with the G Or it does. 917 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,800 It starts with the G, So I'm going to go with Mobile Suit 918 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,960 Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans, OK? Yeah. 919 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,840 So the reason I didn't pick Witch from Mercury, which is 920 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:57,440 what I think you're thinking of right now is, is because the 921 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,520 aerial as a suit is so important to that story and how it was 922 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,080 made. And like 1/3 of it is people 923 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,640 debating what Gundams are and what mechs are and how they're 924 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,760 different and they go to the mechs school. 925 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,560 I got so caught up in lesbians that I just, I blocked all that 926 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,960 out. Yes, fair enough. 927 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,480 I mean, me too, you know? And I love that show. 928 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,400 But if like giant humanoid robots scare you, that show is 929 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,760 about giant humanoid robots in almost every possible way. 930 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,160 So you know, that's not my pick. I think you're missing out. 931 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,760 But also, I'm not here to force things you don't like on you. 932 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,040 This one is about giant humanoid robots though. 933 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:52,200 But IBOI feel like. Is it's about this group of kids 934 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,080 from Mars, which is like in this world, sort of like downtrodden 935 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,200 and sort of like a colony of Earth. 936 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,040 They're trying to get their independence and they make some 937 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,400 deals with like the space yakuza and it's about their rise and 938 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,360 their fall. And so the mechs are prominent 939 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,000 on This is a Gundam Show. I'm not going to Lie to you, but 940 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,520 there's a lot of character work. There's character dramas, 941 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,840 There's multiple episodes in a row where no one gets in a mech. 942 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,880 You know, and there's good personal story and everything 943 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,280 like this. It's basically your traditional 944 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,240 sort of like mob story, You know, like Goodfellas, but with 945 00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:34,760 giant robots. And no offense to IBOI love it. 946 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,280 Not as good as Goodfellas, I'll say. 947 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,320 Is there a soft scene in IBO? Yeah. 948 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,160 You know there is like a like a scene similar to like the 949 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,480 getting made scene. Yeah, like, I mean IBO is like 950 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,440 pretty good. But I also think that, you know, 951 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,720 I know a lot of people who don't really even like, interact with 952 00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,000 anime a ton who really enjoyed IBO because, you know, not 953 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,560 because of the giant robots, but because of the sort of like 954 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,040 underdog story that you get from this. 955 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,480 You know, one downside on this is that the story gets a little 956 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,880 loopy at the end. Like not even like mech wise 957 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,240 just sort of like. The way a lot of Gundam stories 958 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:18,920 do where they just don't know how to tie it up. 959 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920 But it's an anime thing. You were expecting a bad ending 960 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,200 here or there. So Pete, I know you haven't seen 961 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,560 this one. I've not seen IPO. 962 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,080 Yeah. So basically, I, I, I, I wanted 963 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,240 to do a Gundam 1 to be like a little edgy. 964 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,280 Like, not actually edgy because it's like one of the most 965 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,480 popular franchises of all time. But I'm specifically trying to 966 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,120 like recommend Mecca shows for people who don't really like 967 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,760 Gundam. Is like that's like the theme on 968 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,480 this and so I wanted to throw a Gundam out there. 969 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,120 So two shows. So I you thought I would have 970 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,840 Witch from Mercury on here I did. 971 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,800 I wrote down G Witch. Yeah, So yeah, again, the reason 972 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,280 I didn't do that is because the entire story is basically about 973 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,440 a A Gundam, like very front and centre. 974 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,240 It's like the thing you are correct. 975 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,240 I guess for me is just all the fan art that I like is just 976 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:18,280 Mirin and Suletta and I'm just so focused on them and not the 977 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,720 actual Becca that I forgot it was a Becca. 978 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,120 I was talking to Emily about this, and she was like, it's a 979 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,920 shame that the show ended up being boring. 980 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,680 And I was like, it's like my favorite show ever. 981 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,880 But I don't blame you because like, seven of the episodes are 982 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,040 just a business meeting about Gundams. 983 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,120 And then she was like, I would watch a show about Suletta and 984 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,280 her wife. Like a slice of life one and I 985 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,920 was like me too and I give it a 10 and I think a lot of people 986 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,120 want that right. But I do think that it's like 987 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,400 good as the characters are and stuff like you do have a the 988 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,280 whole episode that's just a Gundam business pitch meeting 989 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,520 right. Like it's yeah, I don't know. 990 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,520 It's like Shark Tank, but for Gundams where I I think that the 991 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,320 Gundams are, while still prominent, sort of a bit back 992 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,040 more in IPO. Now I'm trying to guess what the 993 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,040 4th 1:00 it was really close to Gurren Lagann. 994 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,600 Oh, it was close to Gurren Lagann. 995 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,200 OK. Was it like pro mare? 996 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,000 It was pro mare. OK. 997 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,200 OK. Yeah we did a move one of the 998 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,080 short form slash movies with your first one. 999 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,600 So I kind of did that as well. Whereas like a movie and I 1000 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,840 thought Pro Mare was a good example of because like they in 1001 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,760 the beginning, like they use their MEC to like fight 1002 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,840 fighters, like it's it's different. 1003 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,680 Yes. The reason I want to put Pro Mer 1004 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,640 on here is 'cause I don't like Pro Mer. 1005 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:46,120 Yeah, And I've Yeah, see, I saw Pro Mer on like a four or like a 1006 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,880 IMAX screen where it was. It blew me away so much by its 1007 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,840 technicality that I gave it a nine. 1008 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,240 I think if I rewatch it, I'd probably give it A7. 1009 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,120 But don't rewatch. I won't. 1010 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,800 It's the same reason why I've never rewatched Toradora. 1011 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,440 Like I have that special memory in my head, and that's where 1012 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,520 that's where it's living. OK. 1013 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,160 OK. So how do you think I did on 1014 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,000 this, Pete? Yeah, no, it was good. 1015 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,040 I think you had to include like a Gundam esque show that people 1016 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,360 can find other elements to it. Kogias or a six definitely makes 1017 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,960 sense to me because I think the themes of that are more 1018 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,800 important than the actual mech. And I think that's what people 1019 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,320 who don't like mechs are looking for, essentially. 1020 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,520 And then, yeah, I I guess pro mare and you guessed Gurlagan or 1021 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,800 you said Gurlagan. So I love it because that's what 1022 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,120 I was thinking to do. Yeah, I I for a second I thought 1023 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,720 you might have thought that I had trapped in a dating SIM on 1024 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:45,880 here, which I I always argue slash forget that there are 1025 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,800 Becks in that show. And they're a big deal. 1026 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,000 It's a huge deal. I just always forget. 1027 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,480 Yeah that see this is my thing like I think people secretly do 1028 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,200 like Mecca. Like that's that's that's why I 1029 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,640 made this category that like they you don't have to like all 1030 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,920 Mecca. You don't need to like Mecca 1031 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,080 where like Mecca are the major theme and it's like. 1032 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,240 Upfront and everything. But like, you also like anime 1033 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,600 with swords in them, and that's OK too, you know? 1034 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,040 That's how I view it, yeah. Good list, good list. 1035 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,120 I'm going to close things out with AI. 1036 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,480 Thought this would just be fun. So if you're involved in like 1037 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:28,480 anti Twitter or you're on anime discords or some form of forum 1038 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,560 board, shipping is a big deal. People love to ship characters, 1039 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,160 and while I don't think it's bad at all, there are a lot of 1040 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,080 people who hate it. So if you ever want to get 1041 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,440 involved into the shipping community, these are the shows 1042 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,880 for you. First up, I think it's a show 1043 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,680 that is by far the most popular in terms of the shipping 1044 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:56,040 category, where it's a show that has zero romance in the show and 1045 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,880 Miles hates it. It's high Q. 1046 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,800 It's not even like it's not even coded in anything, but it to me, 1047 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,640 on my experience on like Twitter and Discord, it is by far the 1048 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,680 most talked about shipping of characters ever. 1049 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,440 Like people? Oh man, people are really 1050 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,400 emotional and very passionate about their ships in high Q. 1051 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,640 I don't know if it's because, Miles, you don't live on Twitter 1052 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,480 like I do, but yeah, this is a big one just based on your 1053 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,480 reaction. I was expecting My Hero Academia 1054 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,040 when you were talking about it, a show with, as far as I know, 1055 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,280 basically zero romance that there's like a lot of shipping 1056 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,400 for. Yeah, there is. 1057 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,480 Now when you said it, this made a lot of sense to me, except for 1058 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,720 I do think there are. There's like technically I don't 1059 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,640 know if I would call it romance, but like all the guys like the 1060 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,440 one girl in the show, Yeah, I but that's not like. 1061 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,520 That's that's not who's getting shipped together. 1062 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,960 Well, people do ship her with a bunch of people. 1063 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,120 Oh, really? OK. 1064 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,920 It it's, yeah. So I I don't want to say manga 1065 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:12,320 spoilers or anything like that, but so there is a relationship 1066 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,840 at Haiku at the end, I'll just say that. 1067 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,040 OK, yeah, that that makes sense. They're like, OK, if I had to, I 1068 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:22,240 would ship Kaguyama and Okawa together. 1069 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,600 Oh, I like that one. Yeah. 1070 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,520 What are your ships? Yeah, that's what I so OK, so 1071 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,680 Kaguyama and Okawa for sure. I would ship. 1072 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,200 Oh, I think like Tanaka is probably who I would pick for 1073 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,200 the manager lady. OK. 1074 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,240 Because he he seems like the most persistent and like in 1075 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,160 probably like a toxic way. But like a lot of shows like 1076 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,920 paying that off, you know what I mean? 1077 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,840 I would ship, I think. I think that's like Hina Tut in 1078 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,680 her early grave for sure. Wow. 1079 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,440 Hina tut in a DVD on how to play volleyball. 1080 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,320 Yeah, like. Yeah, but no, I I definitely get 1081 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,560 that. I think that you know what? 1082 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,920 I bet also has a ton of shipping blue lock. 1083 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,120 Oh yeah, I bet so too. I but I think that's more like, 1084 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,960 I don't know how it is in the West. 1085 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,800 I bet it's because it's like how popular it is in Japan. 1086 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,240 I bet it's huge. But I think in the West I for 1087 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,320 sports anime, for me it's heavily haiku. 1088 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,160 Oh, I bet IA 100% bet. OK, it's you're gonna sense a 1089 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,640 theme. I think my hero's good. 1090 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,960 The theme of this is a lot of like larger cast with a lot of 1091 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,280 interactions between each other and. 1092 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,240 I would guess I'm gonna make a guess here. 1093 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,240 Not a lot of romance in it, 'cause I bet that, like, people 1094 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,680 seek that out. Like they want romance and so 1095 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,040 they they add it into places where it doesn't exist. 1096 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,040 I all four of my shows do not have the romance tag, so that is 1097 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,640 a good call out. I didn't even think about that. 1098 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:04,120 That's a good one. The next one is it's so it's so 1099 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,400 gay coded. I think that's what gets people 1100 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,480 into this community and that's, I don't think IQ is gay coded. 1101 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,120 Skate the Infinity is super gay coded like so much. 1102 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:24,120 So where people love, love should be the character. 1103 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:29,200 There's so much fan art of these characters together where I 1104 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,880 think if you're a big fan of this, I think the show itself is 1105 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,480 also OK. But I think people gravitate to 1106 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,720 the show for one specific reason and I think it's that. 1107 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,360 So if you, if you haven't seen Skate and you like shipping, 1108 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,680 people recommend Skate. OK. 1109 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,280 The next one's a little controversial because the story 1110 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,920 ships the characters for you. But if you like drama and want 1111 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,680 to break the mold of what the show tells you to like, and I 1112 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,640 think this is the one for you, You've seen it, Miles. 1113 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,520 I've seen it. It's Review Starlight. 1114 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,800 OK yeah. So the story itself, you know, 1115 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,720 each girl sort of has like a partner that they are battling 1116 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,960 most of the time, whether it's like friends or rivals. 1117 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,320 And so the show sort of tells you that these two are sort of 1118 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,200 shipped together if you're into that. 1119 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,080 But the bolt breaking the mold of shipping the like the 1120 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,400 characters that the show tells you outside of that makes the 1121 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,080 fandom go crazy. And that's why I recommend if 1122 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,480 you want some spice in your shipping, I would recommend 1123 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200 watching review Starlight and then shipping characters that 1124 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,040 the show does not tell you the ship. 1125 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,040 I that's crazy because like I I don't think I would break a lot 1126 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,600 of those pairs. I know. 1127 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,240 So when you do, you can imagine. Yeah, like, I guess I could 1128 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,440 break some of them. Like, mostly it was just like 1129 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,880 the president and her little fan girl that I shipped. 1130 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,960 So I I don't know if you, if you're not shipping them 1131 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,760 together, fucking watch out. You understand me? 1132 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,280 I'll find you. I was very passionate now. 1133 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,920 I I really care about the ships and review Starlight. 1134 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,360 You should watch the movie 'cause it adds more elements to 1135 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,000 that, where I think if you watch the show you only have like a 1136 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:27,200 taste of the ship. The the movie adds so much more. 1137 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,040 And this this is the drama, spice shipping, this is the show 1138 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,160 for you. You want the drama. 1139 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,760 Get invested in the show and get on Twitter and or Tumblr or 1140 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,400 wherever these fans are. Tumblr and start shipping. 1141 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,160 Last one. Here we go. 1142 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,120 This one's a little different and I don't think it's gonna be 1143 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,720 on your bingo card or anybody else's bingo card, but to me, 1144 01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:56,480 it's a show that has a huge cast and I would say 0 romance. 1145 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,320 And that's what makes the shipping fun. 1146 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,240 Like. Negative. 1147 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,760 Romance negative. Romance. 1148 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,480 Because the story does not deal with. 1149 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,160 I would say the characters themselves don't even have a 1150 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,800 gender. That is the land of the Lustre, 1151 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,120 Yes? Yes. 1152 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,880 Which? What pair of rocks do you ship 1153 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,920 together? Are you a cinnabar diamond guy 1154 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,440 or are? You a diamond bort, right 1155 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,120 diamond bort. Yeah, that's the ship, right? 1156 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,440 Oh, I'm a Yellow Diamond Bort guy. 1157 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,160 Oh, OK, yeah. So this is where we get the 1158 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,000 drama. This is like, this is like your 1159 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,440 personal ship where like you keep this to yourself. 1160 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,200 You write the fan fiction about it because nobody really talks 1161 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,400 about Land Illustrious in terms of the the anime. 1162 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,800 The bog is still like ongoing but they make a one chapter 1163 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,120 every six months type of thing. But I love the idea that you 1164 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:55,320 have this large cast of like non binary characters with no 1165 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,400 romance. It's not even an essential part 1166 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,360 of the story at all. But they have interactions and 1167 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,560 they have conversations where you can sort of maybe build a 1168 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,320 rapport together and ship them each one, whatever one. 1169 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,320 Like Miles said, Diamond and Bort together, or Cinnabar and 1170 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,160 Foss and stuff like that. I I think it's a very fun show 1171 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,000 to ship because it's unique in niche. 1172 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,720 You gave me a look, Miles. What are you thinking? 1173 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,840 That was your OK, so one, I like all of your picks, but I think I 1174 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:32,480 think you're missing like something that you need if 1175 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,960 you're trying to get into shipping. 1176 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,440 OK, what's that? Tell me. 1177 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,520 And you're missing a harem show. Oh, you're right. 1178 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,600 Oh, how dumb, bro. I'm sorry, I missed the mark. 1179 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,800 You absolutely need a harem. Yeah. 1180 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,960 So, like, you have all these really good, well thought out, 1181 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,960 but I I think your next level. You know, this isn't our 1182 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,440 intermediate shipping pack. I'm a holding cell, bro. 1183 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,520 I'm a holding. You know, we need like quints on 1184 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,760 here or fucking something, you know? 1185 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,280 You know what? If this is a starter pack, I 1186 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,400 would, if I could go back in time, like 15 minutes from now, 1187 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,760 I'd pick Nisa Koi. That to me, that's what started 1188 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:19,479 like the harem shipping battles for me when I just got 1189 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,840 introduced to anime, because that show is trash. 1190 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:27,160 But picking best girl in that show was a conversation that 1191 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,000 will live with me for the rest of my life. 1192 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,319 I'm going to OK here I I I have a lot of ideas on and I never 1193 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:34,439 knew how much I cared about this. 1194 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:35,880 But I we're learning. Yes. 1195 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,520 OK here are some shows that I think you should have picked and 1196 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,240 this is not to say any of your choices were bad. 1197 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,520 I liked all of them. I do think I should have had to 1198 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:45,920 hear them though. I agree, yeah. 1199 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:53,920 So you should have had Neon Genesis, even Kelly on right 1200 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,520 that started. The shipping wars in some way. 1201 01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,720 I don't know. It was least the 1st prominent 1202 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,520 1. So you you have who do you? 1203 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,080 You know there's a ton of options there, but everyone has 1204 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,160 a side, right? They have Shinji and Ray, Shinji 1205 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,760 and Oscar, Shinji and Therapy, Shinji and the adult woman that 1206 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,240 he lives with. Those are the choices. 1207 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,800 Those are the choices. So. 1208 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,920 I also think Toradora would have been a good choice here now, 1209 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,479 obviously very common, so I get why you don't include that. 1210 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,600 That's just like a quintessential anime that maybe 1211 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:36,399 everyone's already seen, but I think that that's another one 1212 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:42,040 where you have, like, you know, like in our Discord, each 1213 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,800 possible pair for Yuji is represented by. 1214 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,600 That's true. Right. 1215 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,359 And so then you have. You know, people who chip, 1216 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,680 Ryuji's friend, who stop smattering in the second-half of 1217 01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,600 the anime. And so, you know, there's a lot 1218 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,240 of different options there. And then there's some people who 1219 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,480 take the chaos and pick the mom. You know, they're just like it 1220 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,880 is I I ship his mom with me. You know it's something, Trent 1221 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,480 would say. Have you been read by Fan 1222 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,840 Fiction? What? 1223 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,240 You know, so I think those would be good choices. 1224 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,240 Again, I like all of yours. I think yours are. 1225 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,360 I think maybe you're just too into shipping and you pick some 1226 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,240 like next. Well, haiku is pretty basic, but 1227 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,560 then you pick some like next level sort of stuff. 1228 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,240 Food wars, I think, would be a good choice. 1229 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,160 Not bad, not bad. Yeah, I just feel like you could 1230 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,680 do this with anything. Actually. 1231 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,040 I'm like pretty pro shipping. Like I'm not in any shipping 1232 01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,920 communities or anything. Like I don't ever talk about it. 1233 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,760 I just do it in my head. But like, I like doing it. 1234 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,440 I think it's fun. It is fun. 1235 01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:51,480 You know, so OK, so I went three for four. 1236 01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:53,440 I'll take, you know, we take those dubs. 1237 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:57,200 We take those dubs. OK, Well, I think that concludes 1238 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,240 it. I actually had a lot of fun with 1239 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,600 this episode, kind of a new and unique, I just say unique, but a 1240 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,920 new thing for us that we're trying out. 1241 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,560 Let us know if you liked it, if you disagree with our takes, if 1242 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,840 you agree with our takes, if you want to see something along 1243 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,760 these lines, again, let us know. Well, yeah, I think we're good. 1244 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,880 You got any final words or thoughts before you head out? 1245 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,600 No, just I hope you enjoyed the episode. 1246 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,280 I had a lot of fun just talking to anime. 1247 01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:27,560 Yeah, me too. So if you like us, you should 1248 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,920 support us. Best way to do so, Like, 1249 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,240 comment, subscribe, leave a review. 1250 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,840 Whatever platform you're watching or listening to us on, 1251 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,720 next week we will be watching the Emmia family or Fate or 1252 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,800 Watch Club. Otherwise, in two weeks I think 1253 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,440 we're doing maybe world building or something along those lines 1254 01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:44,520 for an episode, so. Oh cool. 1255 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,200 That's pending. But I I'd like it, that idea. 1256 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,160 So we'll find you'll you'll find out in two weeks what we did. 1257 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,440 So I want to say thank you Miles for joining me and thanks 1258 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,800 everyone out there for listening and we will see you next time. 1259 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,320 Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.