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and pick me up again. 
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, 

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welcome to anime watch club, a 
bi weekly group discussion and 

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review. 
We're the host of the way You 

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say anime podcast nominate 
involved shows either we haven't

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seen or shows that hopefully 
lead to a great discussion. 

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On today's episode, the don't 
worry, Shinzo Abe, we're having 

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sex Space Cowboys of the way you
say anime podcast. 

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We'll be reviewing the 1998 
anime. 

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And if you were born before 
1988, I guarantee you this show 

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is at your top ten. 
Cowboy Bebop. 

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We got a ton to discuss, but 
joining me today is on our space

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adventure is Jolene and the 
moderator himself, Mr. Star 

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Patrick. 
Hello, hello, hello. 

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And as Pete just highlighted, 
yes, we're watching a cult 

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classic. 
It's not really cult because 

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it's massive, but a cult classic
for Americans, right? 

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I guess maybe is the way to look
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Cowboy Bebop, as you mentioned, 
aired in spring of 1998, done by

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Studio Sunrise. 
Genres of action, board winning 

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sci-fi with the theme of adult 
cast in space, rated R. 

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So stop listening, children. 
And yeah, let's get right into 

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our first impressions where 
normally we'd introduce Miles 

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here, but he's not here. 
So we're going to go in a 

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different order this time. 
Pete, what are your first 

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impressions and would you 
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Yeah, so I had an ongoing bit 
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never seen Cowboy Bebop. 
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it was so good, why haven't I 
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And I think it's fun to have 
stupid bits. 

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That was my stupid bit. 
You guys have this stupid bit 

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where you guys think Chili's is 
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Like it's a really fun. 
It's fun that you guys do this 

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bit. 
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So first impressions coming into
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this space action maybe I don't 
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Like I was thinking like Black 
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that's all I've seen from like 
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And then I realized like the 
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in this show. 
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this show doesn't have like a 
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because the emphasis of the show
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and the action like I thought it
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Even though they are bounty 
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This is like a character driven 
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like gun fights like it was. 
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guard. 
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second to really get into the 
story because of what I've seen 

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and what I've been told versus 
what I've got in the 1st 6 

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episodes. 
I'm like, OK, we're really just 

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going to be deep diving into 
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not just like bits, like full 
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I was like, that is very 
intriguing though. 

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It took me a minute to get into 
this, but from my first 

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impressions, this is going to be
of this era, one of the best 

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produced anime I've ever seen in
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Through all aspects of 
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animation, voice acting, 
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There's so many different 
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like blew me away that I 
couldn't believe that it was a 

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show from 1998. 
And that's what got me going and

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that's what stuck me around with
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And then later on more, once we 
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everything like that, the show 
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I would absolutely recommend the
show. 2 thumbs up. 

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Yeah, carry that weight, baby. 
There we go. 

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Jolene, what about you? 
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that I, like, grew up with. 
I mean, if you're like a Toonami

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kid, then this is something that
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when you were, like, growing up.
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know, I'm pretty young, you 
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years after I was born. 
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you and Pat both know. 
Pete And honestly, for me that I

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think that this is, it's still 
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episodes, like they do an 
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you in really the first episode,
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find somebody who wouldn't get 
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Like the way that the music goes
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I love that every episode is a 
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they incorporate that genre of 
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set piece of that episode is 
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The setting is incredible, even 
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apparently it's the same word as
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Makes no goddamn sense. 
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We love Spike, we love Jet Black
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introduced later and I and as 
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The bebop itself feels like a 
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that this show perfectly 
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but personally I think that this
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And if you're somebody who is 
looking for great action but 

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also just great characterization
as well, then what are you 

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doing? 
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This is like this is a must 
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my opinion, including you Pete, 
so I'm glad that you finally 

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watched it. 
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right? 
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it because God I love this show 
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I think the first time I watched
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The show aired 3 days after I 
was born by the way, for the 

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first time. 
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Dating myself there a little 
bit, but this show is everything

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that you you both have said so 
far is how I feel about this 

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show. 
And there's so much little nitty

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gritty details that are put in, 
whether that's in the background

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or in the into in their 
characters faces or their 

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expressions or the things that 
they say, which, by the way, the

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dub phenomenal as well. 
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from this era. 
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yeah, even the director says 
it's better than the sub, which 

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is pretty damn cool. 
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start talking about the the 
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So I'm I'm not going to waste 
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This is a + 10 out of 10 
recommend. 

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I cannot recommend the show 
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that. 
The first episode suck. 

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It can suck anybody, and I feel 
like like it that it has that 

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little bit for anyone that likes
anime, they should be able to 

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like that would be up regard, 
even if it's a little longer of 

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a show than most, you know, 
seasonals, that shouldn't 

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matter. 
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But yeah, I guess that's three 
double thumbs up recommends for 

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Cowboy Bebop from the cast 
that's here today. 

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I think everybody else too likes
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From my memory, I think Kat and 
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So let's get right into the 
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So spoilers going forward. 
So yeah, without further ado, 

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let's get right into it. 
What did we have a first talking

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point that you guys wanted to 
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I mean, I guess I should do the 
Plot Summary that Miles normally

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does first. 
So Pete, you think of your first

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talking point while I give a 
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How about that? 
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today. 
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Crime is timeless. 
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expanded across the Galaxy, 
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planets with settlements like 
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But these new societies are 
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theft. 
An international outlaw. 

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Intergalactic outlaws are 
haunted by a growing number of 

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tough bounty hunters. 
The story follows Spike Spiegel 

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and Jet Black as they pursue 
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trying to make a living. 
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Faye Valentine, a con artist, an
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show Edward the 4th and I in a 
biologically engineered Welsh 

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Corgi of some kind. 
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follows their shenanigans, 
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the start, while also then 
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backstories and how they ended 
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they are. 
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first talking point that you 
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Let's talk about it. 
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off both of you because coming 
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seen this before, right? 
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have not seen it. 
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impressions of it, It's through 
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videos and clips and people's 
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I always seems like the emphasis
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adventure, the choreography of 
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that. 
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is like, is this like a deep 
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So I was wondering like through 
your perspective, like, is there

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a reason why people don't like 
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Is it, is it like more alluring 
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this like space cowboy western 
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has those elements. 
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is like, do you think it's more 
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a character drama? 
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question would be like, why 
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maybe describe it as such? 
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you know, the fights happen and 
especially like throughout that.

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It's not like that if they stop 
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follow that Western vibe 
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Western formula, I guess, you 
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many people here have watched 
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That's like classic. 
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Maybe the ugly trilogy? 
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guess 1 franchise, 1 franchise 
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the, you know, Westerns were 
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A lot of Westerns were inspired 
by old samurai movies and then a

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lot of old samurai movies were 
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movies. 
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going back and forth there that 
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Western took place in space? 
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more of a character focus. 
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set piece, but then they'll also
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character who's this coming into
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There's death, there's grief, 
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Debt is a big focus in the show 
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living, right, trying to 
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code and you know, I guess 
ancient samurai time Japanese 

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coded feeling as well as just 
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for your next meal, right. 
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where the show is. 
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answer your question, I think 
it's easier to sell a shonen bro

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or just like your average person
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sequence rather than no bro. 
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you know, like you just got, you
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Like it's hard to and they are. 
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aren't because it is. 
I think the idea is like, you 

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get it, you you would just you 
would hope that you would 

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naturally get that rather than 
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what the case is. 
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What do you think, Jolene? 
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obviously I'm not saying Pete is
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like, I, that's your objective 
truth. 

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Like if you've heard that, then 
you've heard that. 

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But I feel like when it comes to
Watanabe, like, yeah, people 

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talk about how good the fight 
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characterization and how he 
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rather than the violence aspect 
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discussions that I've been a 
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I don't know, like I don't know 
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Like it's easier to sell people 
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animated medium, right? 
Like more people are more likely

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to watch something if it has 
insane sakuga versus like if the

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characterization is great. 
That's like not trying to shade 

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Demon Slayer here but a big part
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because of hype moments in 
sakuga. 

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Right. 
Like they love to see the 

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fucking million burst effects 
that UFO table is going to put 

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when Tanjiro does water 
breathing style ancient bidet 

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technique or whatever like. 
I could use some of that. 

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Me too. 
Me fucking too dude. 

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I think that it is just easier 
to sell people on things that 

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they can see rather than things 
they have to interpret per SE. 

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Because not everybody, everybody
besides for, you know, blind 

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people and people who was not 
great vision has eyes that can 

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like see this. 
It's easier to see when 

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something is well animated 
versus like not everybody can 

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grasp like the intricacies of 
something like Faye's character 

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and why she has such an avoidant
personality and like her 

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childhood that we get into when 
like all that sort of thing. 

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Like it's just, I mean, like 
even a character like Vicious, 

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like the main villain, most of 
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implied rather than shown. 
We don't really get any time 

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with him to see like what his 
inner monologue is. 

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We don't really learn about him 
apart from like how other 

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characters react to him. 
But he's still a very well 

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worded character. 
And but I think most people, 

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whenever they not most people, 
but anybody when they think of 

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Vicious can think, damn, that 
guy does some cool ass sword 

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tricks and can dodge bullets and
stuff. 

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Not everybody's going to be 
like, oh, Titan fucked him up. 

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He became an addict and like got
in with the syndicate and feels 

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betrayed by Spike and thinks 
that there's nothing. 

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Like since Spike and Julia 
betrayed him there's nothing 

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left in this world worth saving.
None of that is said but what is

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shown is damn he can slash that 
Cortana real well. 

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Got a sick ass bird. 
Yeah, exact shit shit. 

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Man like. 
It's just what I'm thinking, 

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like I feel like I would have 
picked up the show way sooner if

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I thought it was less Black 
Lagoon and more like Evangelion 

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or something along those lines. 
If you didn't have the bit more 

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specifically. 
I feel like that's the main 

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thing that helped you. 
Yeah, Like I would, I guess it 

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would be more. 
I don't know. 

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It's just like like nobody even 
in our Discord like ever 

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explained to me that it was 
anything more than what I 

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thought it was surface level so.
I don't know. 

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It was I asked you. 
Yeah. 

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Something. 
Sorry to interrupt you. 

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What about, like, Samurai 
shampoo? 

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Would you say you've heard the 
same thing about that or is it 

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just Bebop as far as Watson? 
Yeah, surface level shampoo is 

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nuja bees and samurai fights. 
Like, I don't really know 

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anything outside of that. 
OK, I'm just going to say I 

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think character wise it's even 
better than Bebop personally. 

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So oh, OK, watch it it's watch 
it next year when I nominate. 

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It that's going to be tough 
because I think Bebop's 

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characterization is. 
I asked you the best. 

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Ever. 
It's Yeah. 

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Like Mugen solo. 
Sorry I. 

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Guess we'll have to wait and 
see. 

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I I get what you're saying 
though, Pete, like, I guess I 

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didn't do a good enough job 
selling it or I think it's been 

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signed a few times during our 
secret Santa's and things. 

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And I'm guessing you probably 
deafened to avoid listening to 

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people talk about it. 
So so that probably doesn't help

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either because otherwise you 
probably, like you said, would 

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have other than for the bit you 
would have been like, oh, there 

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is so much going on in the show 
more than just a pop pow. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
You know, action karate 

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sequence, whatever, which I, I, 
I'm sure you've seen the clip on

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Twitter where he's fighting with
the broomstick or whatever. 

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Or I love a woman that can kick 
my ass or something. 

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Like, I love the kind of woman 
that can kick my ass that and 

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that's like, that's not even in 
the show. 

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That's in the movie, right? 
It's. 

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In the movie, yeah. 
So 'cause I. 

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Was waiting for that scene to 
happen. 

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I'm like it just never happened.
I knew that was coming, I was 

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just waiting to see if. 
That's what's a great scene I've

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seen 70 times and I've never 
especially even like the last 

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scene where he goes bang or 
whatever. 

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Like I've never seen the clip of
like vicious before that clip. 

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It's always Spike. 
So it's like I, I've never seen 

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like the the context outside of 
like what's just being fed to 

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me, which makes it seem why I 
understand why propaganda works 

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now. 
Like if it's fed to me over and 

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over again, like there's a good 
chance of I'll consume and think

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of it that way. 
So shout to all the Bebop 

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propagandists. 
You got me. 

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That's a great show. 
I'm going to keep saying that 

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over and over again after every 
point. 

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Having well, I guess you watch 
Space Dandy first, actually. 

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So Space Dandy was your first 
watching hobby. 

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But Carol, in terms of things. 
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. 

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OK, well you obviously like 
Carolyn Tuesday, so you knew he 

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was capable of like doing Sorry 
I've that was the pre Jolene 

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times. 
So, but how could I forget 

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whenever it's our intro, you 
know, like. 

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That's a good point. 
Only 300 plus episodes of that 

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song. 
Damn I was really going to start

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that by saying I mean Lazarus 
was your first Watanabe. 

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Meanwhile you've watched 2 
series before Lazarus and maybe 

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even Terror in residence. 
Like it's bad apparently. 

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I don't recommend it. 
I haven't seen it either because

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everyone says it's bad. 
I have a targeted question. 

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Does watching Bebop make you 
like Lazarus even a slightly 

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more no. 
Lazer it makes it worse because.

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You see how bad Cowboy Bebop? 
You can see how. 

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Good you have when you have time
and money and episode count that

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you can make something 
incredible and Lazarus is like 

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it's like him, him shitting on 
himself, like straight up. 

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I disagree, but fair enough. 
You're the. 

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As long as you realize you're 
the only one, that's fine. 

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I know I'm not the only one, I'm
not the only person out there, 

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but only one here for sure. 
See easy answer. 

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Jason DeMarco had nothing to do 
with Cowboy Bebop and everything

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to do with Lazarus and Ninja 
Combo E and every other horrible

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Adult Swim show. 
So. 

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There you go. 
That would make sense. 

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Just no Bebop when it first 
aired here, it didn't. 

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They didn't do every episode and
it was because of Evangelion 

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like extra like basically shows 
that came after Eva right after 

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Ava got heavily censored in 
their releases and like 

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broadcast in the US apparently. 
Apparently that happened to 

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Bebop. 
So like we didn't like people in

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the states didn't see the actual
story of Bebop until it came to 

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Blu-ray and everyone and people 
were shocked by it. 

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You know, they're like, oh, this
suddenly makes a lot more sense 

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when you and it's not completely
butchered. 

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Like the first episode was not 
aired. 

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It was 237 through 15 
apparently. 

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Like it's weird. 
It's that seems like a really. 

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I explained to my dad remember 
the first episode when I 

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rewatched it for the first time?
That's so funny. 

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I love that first, I think that 
first episode we we kind of 

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hinted at already, but it I 
think it does such a good job of

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establishing every character 
that's in the episode is 

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immediately characterized 
extremely well. 

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Spike is he's aloof, but also 
cunning. 

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He's he's talented physically 
and you know, like in terms of 

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like his his fighting 
capabilities. 

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Obviously that's shown by also 
like the the two baddies, the 

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the literal baddie, by the way, 
the pregnant woman, pregnant 

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woman and then the drug addict. 
Thank you. 

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I'm glad someone laughed at 
that. 

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Julian, thank you. 
The two of them are immediately 

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characterized about in their 
what they're looking for, their 

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struggle, what they're trying to
achieve by doing this, how they 

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might have veered off of 
different paths. 

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It's so beautiful. 
I this first episode is so 

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beautiful. 
Not to mention the music as 

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well, setting, the setting, the 
scene, the art, establishing 

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that we're in fucking space, you
know, like there's so much stuff

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that's so well done in that 
first episode. 

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And then it's like, oh man, I 
nothing can top that. 

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And then the show just keeps 
going, going and going and and 

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being great. 
Does anything else stand out 

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from that first episode to you 
guys? 

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I mean, I think I'm in the 
minority where I thought episode

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1 was just fine. 
Like a lot of the early episodes

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didn't hook me like at all. 
Like the first episode that 

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hooked me with episode 8 with 
the Rocco episode, that's the 

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first one that like really did 
something for me. 

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I think episode 1 is a good job 
of setting the tone of what the 

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show is going to be, but it 
wasn't something I was 

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necessarily like looking for 
because it's not really like 

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that type of show isn't really 
what I actively like, engage in 

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and look for. 
So it didn't really hook me 

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until later when we got some 
more like an emotional 

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connection to some of the other 
characters though. 

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But I do think it is a good 
first episode. 

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There's nothing wrong with it. 
It's more of just a personal 

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like by preference versus what's
actually on screen. 

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Oh, the Rocco episode. 
What a what an episode. 

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I like the idea that there's 
some sort of science involved in

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this too, like pseudoscience of 
like, oh, well, actually 

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Mercury, the atmosphere would 
have this effect on you, right? 

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Like there's little things like 
that that help with the world 

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building just a little bit, even
if they are completely bullshit.

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And I'm glad Miles isn't here to
probably shit on it. 

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And some could be like, oh, 
well, Mercury would actually do 

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this. 
And it's like, well, thank you. 

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I have. 
A telescope. 

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I I like. 
Get his ass. 

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I work. 
I work for big pharma. 

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Love you Miles, hope you feel 
better. 

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Hope we see you next week. 
Oh my God. 

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Or actually they will be 
injecting it intravenously 

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instead of into the eye. 
Exactly. 

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Can you imagine having to do 
that with to your eye though? 

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Like holy moly. 
I would never. 

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Never. 
No. 

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No thank you. 
No, thank you. 

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My Nana has to take a shot in 
her eye every like month and I 

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just hate hearing about every 
single time. 

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I I would tell people not to. 
You're welcome, everybody. 

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Else. 
Thank you. 

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Oh, man. 
All right, I guess we should 

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talk about more characters than 
just the very vaguely mentioned 

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Spike. 
Like, what if the crew, you 

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know, was around? 
Like what? 

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Like who from the crew would you
say is your favorite? 

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Let's let's start with that and 
then we can talk a little more 

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about their interest intricacies
too. 

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My favorite character in this 
show is Ed. 

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I think Ed kicks so much ass and
I think like because towards the

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end I feel like everybody sort 
of got like their resolution and

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to what they were going for and 
Ed's was so heartbreaking. 

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But at the same time like it 
made the most sense. 

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And I don't know if we want to 
talk about like that 

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exclusively, but what Ed Ed 
added like an element of the the

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comedic factor. 
While I do think Spike was funny

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in a sense, it was more of like 
a dry stoic humor. 

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Like it would be like 1 offs and
stuff like that where Ed is that

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energetic on cocaine type of 
character. 

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But what just how Ed joined the 
team was essentially they didn't

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want Ed Ed sort of like 
blackmailed them into joining 

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the team. 
And then we get to the point 

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where in the final episodes 
where Ed meets their biological 

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father and he doesn't know their
name, their gender, like. 

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And then as soon as a meteor 
strikes, completely forgets 

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about Ed. 
And as this whole time just 

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trying to find a place where 
they belong and never got the 

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resolution. 
To the point where, I mean, I 

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think it's like a huge theme of 
the show is just letting go. 

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Ed decides it's time for me to 
forge my own path and does that.

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So with EIN and sort of just 
that's like the first time that 

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Ed just like wasn't relying on 
somebody else or relying on 

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trying to get with other people.
It was just Ed and their dog. 

450
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,520
Like that was it. 
And that that character, what we

451
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,560
got through the entire series 
was just, I just love like the 

452
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,600
the range of laughing and crying
and being invested in characters

453
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
that they can show all these 
emotions. 

454
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,240
And it makes you go back and 
think like, why was Ed behaving 

455
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,160
in this way? 
Was Ed behaving as like a coping

456
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,240
mechanism? 
Or is Ed actually like this wild

457
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,560
child? 
And you could, you could 

458
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,680
probably go in and digest that 
and try to like put like some 

459
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,160
psychological terms to Ed. 
And I like that in a character 

460
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,080
that they're, they're that deep.
But on the surface level, they 

461
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,720
just kind of seemed like the 
wild child, but they were so 

462
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,320
much deeper than that. 
And that's why Ed was my 

463
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:17,960
absolute favorite. 
Yeah, I mean, to nobody's 

464
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,760
surprise, because I am very gay,
Faye is my favorite character. 

465
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:29,160
I mean, I've loved Fuji Komine 
for a long time, and Faye is, I 

466
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,440
mean, she doesn't really do the 
disguise thing, but she's kind 

467
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,480
of Fuji Komine in space, which 
perfect for me. 

468
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,240
You know, I hate gambling, 
everybody knows that. 

469
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,560
But I would look aside for her. 
I would let her spend it all on 

470
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600
the ponies or the puppies, 
whichever one she wanted. 

471
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000
She could have it all. 
More than that, though, apart 

472
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,320
from me lusting after her, I 
think that she has a really 

473
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:58,320
interesting like way that she 
connects to the other characters

474
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,960
because she is like Ed is 
obviously disconnected from the 

475
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,560
crew of the Bebop in the way 
that, you know, Spacey Child. 

476
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Whereas Faye has kind of had her
character arc from before that 

477
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,120
we don't that we get a little 
bit of a chance to see with her 

478
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,760
back story episodes, but she's 
an adult meeting other adults 

479
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,200
and having to like learn to live
with them to make this work 

480
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,640
because of the situation that 
she's going through and when 

481
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,400
obviously she doesn't really 
want to do that sort of thing. 

482
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,160
I just, I think that her 
avoidant personality has a lot 

483
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,440
of it really interesting 
psychology behind it. 

484
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,440
Whenever you like, get to her 
back story episode with the one 

485
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,600
guy whose name I forgot who ends
up becoming like fat to hide and

486
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,520
everything. 
I thought that that was really 

487
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,600
interesting. 
Really, I just think that like 

488
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,040
the fact that she's such an 
avoidant character, but 

489
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,560
extremely offended whenever they
like leave her behind to go do 

490
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,280
other stuff because she dips is 
like she's somebody that wants 

491
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,680
people to like chase after her, 
but she's also somebody that's 

492
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,920
running away from people who are
chasing after her for other 

493
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,160
reasons. 
Like she wants somebody to chase

494
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,640
after her for like a positive 
reason. 

495
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,520
That's not I owe you money. 
She wants somebody to chase 

496
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,800
after her because, like, I care 
about you, you know, you're my 

497
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,760
friend, I love you, that sort of
thing. 

498
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,040
So I think that the dichotomy of
her character as someone who's 

499
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,240
on the run but still craves like
a certain person chasing after 

500
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,160
her is very interesting and very
well done. 

501
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,560
It's the leftovers too from her 
because she's essentially lived 

502
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,360
2 lives right? 
When you think about it like not

503
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,960
that she lived a full life on 
Earth before the the moon gate 

504
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,520
accident or whatever it was 
called a warp gate. 

505
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,200
That's what they were right? 
Warp gates, warp gate accident 

506
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,960
that like destroyed the moon. 
Such a cool lore thing too, by 

507
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,000
the way, not the sidetrack, but 
man, that's that's so sick. 

508
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Like at first you're like, what 
is that? 

509
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,320
And then they actually write it 
into the show. 

510
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600
I think it's very interesting 
how you, like you said, her 

511
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720
problems do follow her from her 
previous life where she 

512
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,360
struggled with friends or was 
struggling to, you know, figure 

513
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,080
out who she was. 
And then and now she doesn't 

514
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,080
know at all who she is other 
than the fact that she's in debt

515
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,560
and she has to try to figure 
that out. 

516
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,360
And when she does figure it out,
she's kind of like, I don't love

517
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,480
this, I don't love this. 
I'm going to, I'm going to be 

518
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,720
myself and I'm going to, like 
you said, keep running and hope 

519
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,960
that my friends chase me or hope
that people in my life that I 

520
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,720
care about chase me, which I, I 
thought was really cool. 

521
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,320
The idea too, of like waking up,
seeing like a 75 year old woman 

522
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,560
that's like you're sister or 
whatever, niece something, 

523
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,480
whatever. 
Like the idea that you're is she

524
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,960
essentially time travelled 
right? 

525
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,320
Like like for lack of 
paraphrasing, that's that's 

526
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,440
pretty crazy to think about too.
And it definitely makes some of 

527
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,280
her decisions and her mentality 
in the earlier episodes where 

528
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720
you might be saying they're 
like, Oh my God, this, this 

529
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,520
dumb, dumb character, like what 
are you doing? 

530
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Why are you doing these things 
make a lot more sense in 

531
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,320
hindsight, you know, once you, 
once you do uncover all those 

532
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,240
things. 
For me, I don't know if I could 

533
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,520
ever pick between the cast. 
I love them all pretty much 

534
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520
equally. 
I think Spike and Jet, just 

535
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,320
because those are the two we 
didn't talk about. 

536
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,600
I love their friendship. 
I love how that they look out 

537
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480
for each other, how they are 
both constantly needling each 

538
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,280
other about their past, trying 
to get eek out a little more 

539
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,080
info from each other, trying to 
make each other better, but also

540
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,160
trying to maybe get some dirt so
that they can leverage it the 

541
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,760
next time they get into an 
argument. 

542
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,760
And I I think their backstories 
are so, so cool. 

543
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,480
I think jets is technically more
fleshed out in terms of the like

544
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,880
you see the whole thing rather 
or or most of it rather than 

545
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,280
Spikes is a little bit more more
vague, but it's both of their 

546
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,960
backstories are so, so 
interesting and there's so many 

547
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,600
different ways they that you 
could interpret things that 

548
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,640
happened on the screens to both 
of them as well. 

549
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,360
I don't know. 
I just I love their their and 

550
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,320
then again, like the way that 
they interact with the other 

551
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560
cast members, like the way that 
jet treats Fey. 

552
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,240
It makes a lot of sense with 
with his back story. 

553
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,800
And by that same token, the same
way that Spike treats her is 

554
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,960
very different, but also it 
still makes a lot of sense with 

555
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320
his back story as well. 
I think the the 

556
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,480
interconnectedness of their all 
of their lives and their pasts, 

557
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,320
maybe not literally 
interconnected, but the way that

558
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,480
they mesh is something that that
really makes Bebop stand out. 

559
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,280
I think the relationship kind of
shows that towards the end, 

560
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840
especially with Spike, Faye and 
Jet towards the, I think either 

561
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,160
the last episode or the 
penultimate one where Spike is 

562
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,200
going to leave Jet like knows 
that if Spike leaves, he's 

563
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,400
probably going to die. 
But like he's at the point where

564
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,360
it's like, you like it, it, it 
was like, so Jet's like, OK, if 

565
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,040
this is your decision, I'm not 
going to stop you. 

566
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,040
You're an adult, you can do 
that. 

567
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,840
And then Faye tries to stop him 
by putting a gun to his head. 

568
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,680
And I just love that 
relationship between the two 

569
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,240
where Jet is way closer to Spike
than Faye is. 

570
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,800
And he lets her, lets him go. 
And Faye is more of like a new 

571
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:34,280
family member and is like what 
is like Spike so much that she's

572
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,960
like like I'm doing this because
I love you. 

573
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,880
Please do not leave. 
And then like just like the the 

574
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,080
desk pop at the end where she 
like sort of like admits defeat,

575
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,400
like fuck, like I'm losing you. 
Like I don't know, man. 

576
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,440
Like that scene was so powerful.
And just like when you in the 

577
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,320
just like going from like 
episode was like 3 or 4 when 

578
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,760
they are they meet for the first
time to where they are at the 

579
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,360
end of the episode. 
The season is such a just Howard

580
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280
interweaves throughout the 
episodes was just so well done. 

581
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Like wasn't the best, but man, 
it was really, really good. 

582
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,040
And I just love by the end of 
it, like we had the connection 

583
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,480
secured. 
We're like, it's one of those to

584
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680
me, it felt like a connection 
where like even if they weren't 

585
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920
saying anything on screen and 
they're just like looking at 

586
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,560
each other, I could read their 
minds to what I was thinking. 

587
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,840
And that's that's a, that's a, 
that's a. 

588
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,600
Props to the character writing 
and the dialogue of the show. 

589
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,760
Agreed. 
Wholeheartedly agree. 

590
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Yeah. 
That last episode, oh God damn 

591
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,960
it. 
Oh so good, oh so good. 

592
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,560
I'm I'm sorry, I can't stop 
myself. 

593
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:51,960
It's so like the music, the the 
haunting music that that calls 

594
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,080
back to I think whatever episode
is 89 whenever Vicious is first 

595
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,280
introduced. 
God damn it, man, this show so, 

596
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,960
so cool. 
Well, we we kind of have hinted 

597
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,040
at it already with a couple of 
the backstories we talked about 

598
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,239
with the characters, but they're
there's definitely a theme in 

599
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,239
Cowboy Bebop of letting go or 
moving on, like learning when 

600
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,840
you got to know when to hold 
them, no one to fold them or no 

601
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,960
one to walk away. 
Right. 

602
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,639
And that this show does it quite
a bit. 

603
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:30,560
What what would you say is your 
favorite moment or there I guess

604
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,880
you already talked about it Pete
with with Ed more specifically 

605
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,639
like in what decision that they 
make. 

606
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,840
But what are some of the some 
other moments that really stood 

607
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,800
out to you guys in terms of 
letting go or moving on or how 

608
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,560
the show use that theme and that
motif a little differently from 

609
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,840
other shows maybe? 
Yeah. 

610
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,239
So I think that the show does a 
great job. 

611
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,040
It's sort of, I think it would 
be wrong if all four of them had

612
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,120
like super heavy like 
conclusions to their stories of 

613
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,480
moving on. 
Like I thought Jets was surface 

614
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920
level. 
It was easy to understand, it 

615
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,960
wasn't too complex. 
And I think that's necessary 

616
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,840
because I think somebody like 
Faye where you're spanning 

617
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,080
multiple generations of 
different types of trauma, 

618
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,360
that's more complex. 
And so I did like how they sort 

619
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,640
of structure that. 
And then spikes. 

620
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,560
I think this is going to be a 
complaint I have, I'll have 

621
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,320
later, but with it, But I don't 
think spikes. 

622
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,440
I think phases like the best, 
like I think like about to be 

623
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
like objectively just add stuck 
more to me. 

624
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,000
But I kind of like that range of
everybody getting the conclusion

625
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080
that they were looking for or 
they may not even looking for, 

626
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,000
but the each character got a 
conclusion and that it wasn't 

627
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,560
all like 10 out of 10 emotional 
trauma moments like it was, it 

628
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,400
was it was spanned out because 
not everybody has the same 

629
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,640
trauma that they're or whatever 
that they're going through. 

630
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,360
And I like that. 
That's how it was shown in the 

631
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:56,840
show. 
What? 

632
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:09,400
About you, Jolene. 
That is a really tough question.

633
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
I don't want to just like, I 
mean, honestly, I would probably

634
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,560
say mostly the same thing, Pete 
said. 

635
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,280
Because Faye is like definitely 
my favorite character overall. 

636
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,440
So I don't want to harp too much
on that. 

637
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,120
But I feel like like with the 
sort of like episodic nature of 

638
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,600
the show, the characters that we
were introduced to in every 

639
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,680
episode, we're also really well 
developed despite getting a much

640
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,000
shorter time with them. 
For instance, the episode, I 

641
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,000
think it's episode 7, I want to 
say Heavy Metal Queen with like 

642
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,680
the, I forget what her name is, 
but her husband was the great 

643
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,760
bounty hunter and she's like a 
space trucker. 

644
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Just the characterization of her
and like how you know, she's 

645
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,880
like they, they don't give away 
that she's the wife. 

646
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,000
Like you just expect. 
She's obviously like a very 

647
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,120
masculine sort of Butch woman. 
So you expect that she's 

648
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,040
probably going to be like the 
dude or whatever. 

649
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,840
But the characterization of just
like her and how she wants to 

650
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560
carry on her husband's legacy is
so well done. 

651
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000
I mean, we talked about Rocco. 
Like Rocco is somebody who seems

652
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,720
annoying as shit when you first 
meet him, but like over the 

653
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,680
episode just grows on you to 
where like, I actually like shed

654
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
a couple tears at the end of 
that episode because I had 

655
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,000
forgotten how much it like 
choked me up when I first saw 

656
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,680
it. 
And I think that there's just 

657
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,680
like endless examples of that 
and more and more or less all of

658
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Watson Abe's work too. 
And I think that, like, you 

659
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,680
know, I'm going to go ahead and 
shit on Lazarus once again. 

660
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,560
I think that that is something 
that Lazarus was solely missing 

661
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,800
actually was because they 
expanded the cast of like like 

662
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,360
we have like 4 members of the 
Bebop, right? 

663
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Like 3 1/2 if you think about 
it, because Ed is not doing like

664
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,640
the bounty hunter stuff so much.
Ed is very self-contained. 

665
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,880
How many do we even have in 
Lazarus? 

666
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Like 6 or something like that? 
And maybe two of them mattered 

667
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,920
at all basically. 
And then we just didn't. 

668
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,360
We had to spend all this time 
doing useless back story. 

669
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,360
I'm sorry, I'm complaining about
Lazarus again. 

670
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,160
I know it's not the Lazarus 
episode, but we spent all this 

671
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
time and we didn't get any 
interesting side characters. 

672
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,400
Watson Nabe is at his best doing
stuff like Cowboy Bebop, Samurai

673
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Champloo, where you're it's 
episodic and you're meeting 

674
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,680
interesting characters and going
on a journey. 

675
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,760
It's always been about the 
journey rather than the 

676
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,920
destination in his works. 
And I think that that is like 

677
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,040
watching Bebop crystallize that 
for me, that that is like, my 

678
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,000
main issue with Lazarus is that 
because of the deadline that is 

679
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,560
set with the stakes, you do not 
have time to enjoy the journey 

680
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,720
there. 
And the best episodes of Lazarus

681
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,640
for me were the ones that were 
about enjoying the journey. 

682
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,880
Like whenever they're all 
fucking around on the ocean 

683
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,360
checking out these places 
destroyed by climate change, 

684
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:12,440
like I would watch another 12 to
24 episodes of bebop of them 

685
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,800
just fucking around in space 
doing stuff. 

686
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,120
I honestly do not like give me a
little bit of character 

687
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,680
development. 
I don't need super heavy back 

688
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,800
story, but like I would just 
watch Jet and Faye like fuck 

689
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,760
around in space at the end of 
the day, the day add a new 

690
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,480
person to yeah, so I would I 
would say that that's my answer.

691
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Sorry if that was kind of long 
winded, but I the the gears 

692
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,640
started moving as I started 
speaking. 

693
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,400
The Holy Spirit overtook me and 
I could not, I couldn't hold my 

694
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,080
witness. 
I I noticed you say Faye and Jet

695
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,200
but you didn't mention Spike, 
but Spike would be with them 

696
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,200
too. 
So, you know, like going, oh, 

697
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,760
he's future episodes. 
I'm pretty sure he's dead as 

698
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,640
folks. 
No, well, we'll talk about that 

699
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,040
later. 
Then let's have fun with that 

700
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,120
conversation because that's one 
of my favorite things. 

701
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,920
I always ask for sure. 
After watching it I was like. 

702
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,400
I think you can make the 
argument, but I think it's 

703
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,640
wrong. 
Watson, Abe like not to. 

704
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,560
I'll talk about when we get. 
There, I'll talk about I was 

705
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,560
going to say yeah, no, let me 
let me go quick because my 

706
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,280
again, I, you guys talked about 
your character. 

707
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,680
So I'll I'll go back, bounce 
back to Jet and Spike are 

708
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,640
probably my favorite examples of
the moving on. 

709
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,280
And we'll talk about the 
culminating episode and moments 

710
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120
with Spike later. 
So I'll focus on Jet then 

711
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,920
instead. 
I like how Jet's story is very 

712
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,040
much about moving on. 
It's about moving on from his 

713
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,760
career and his entire life in 
the in the professional sense, 

714
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,600
and then also moving on from his
entire personal life in his 

715
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,840
closest friend who is his cop or
his partner and his wife more 

716
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,880
more importantly, Right. 
And the running away is talked 

717
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,320
about at first where he's like, 
oh, I'm avoiding that planet. 

718
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,480
We're not going back, We're not 
going to that place. 

719
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,160
And then once he finally does do
it, he's able to get that 

720
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,360
salvation, so to speak, you 
know, able to move on. 

721
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,480
And I appreciate that it wasn't 
necessarily anger by the end of 

722
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,360
it. 
I appreciate that he was able to

723
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,400
to move on. 
And it, it also showed that 

724
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,000
they're maybe both a little 
better off because of it in in 

725
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,440
the long run. 
And you know, the scars are 

726
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,720
still there, both in the literal
sense with Jet and then the, the

727
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,280
emotional sense too. 
But it's, I don't know, it's 

728
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,960
cool to to see his, his 
development from his back story 

729
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,600
as well, where he opens up a 
little bit more with the Bebop 

730
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,600
cast after that episode and and 
continues to. 

731
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,280
And I, I also love his little 
bonsai tree. 

732
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,600
Like that's such a fun little 
hobby. 

733
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,400
I wanted to get one in college 
because I, I saw those and I was

734
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
like, that seems like a fun 
little hobby to have. 

735
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,240
And no, it isn't. 
Do you see how much? 

736
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,280
They cost. 
Yes, yes, I do. 

737
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,360
I have a little one on this app 
that I water every day, but 

738
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,120
that's that's free. 
So it's that's it is it is peak.

739
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:04,720
It is peak. 
I'm. 

740
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:10,840
Wandering by E tree. 
But my E tree's name, because 

741
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,680
you can name it, of course, is 
actually Jet Miyagi because 

742
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Ashley insisted on The Karate 
Kid, Mr. Miyagi. 

743
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
And I was like, but what about 
Jet Black? 

744
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,200
And they're like, fine, we'll 
give it a, the name Jet Miyagi. 

745
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:31,520
So that's my tree. 
That's E nice and it's story, 

746
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,640
but yeah, so that's a great way 
to end talking about letting go 

747
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,200
and moving on, I guess. 
But yeah, I think we we all 

748
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,320
touched on it and then the 
entire show is all about that 

749
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,920
too. 
Like like Julie, I think you 

750
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,320
mentioned it with the side 
characters too. 

751
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,120
A lot of their these stories are
about moving on from either 

752
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,400
their past, lot of their past 
lovers, their past family 

753
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,720
members, jobs, a lot of 
livelihoods, anything along 

754
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:54,680
those lines. 
And of course, like they're 

755
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,080
hunting bounty, like the, the 
people that are being hunted are

756
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,320
murderers or thiefs or, or 
whatever sort of criminal you'd 

757
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,880
want to say like they're all 
trying to move on and, and not 

758
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,440
be that anymore, right? 
Or find a way out. 

759
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,480
And I think they do a good job 
of showing that there is no way 

760
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,000
out, right? 
Like it's always going to be 

761
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,200
there. 
You're always going to carry 

762
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,240
that weight and God damn it, I 
love this show. 

763
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,000
No, it's so good. 
It's so good, it's so good. 

764
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,400
OK, let's talk about maybe some 
production stuff too. 

765
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,480
Was there any specific moments 
that you want to bring up? 

766
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,800
Cuz I know you mentioned 
production earlier, Pete and 

767
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,720
Julie, and you've complimented 
as well. 

768
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,880
Like for me, I think they did 
space extremely well in terms of

769
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,840
showing the way that the things 
float around or the way that the

770
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:48,600
ships fly and movement and and 
just what space would be like 

771
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,280
from my understanding. 
And I know Neil degrasse Tyson's

772
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,040
going to yell at me or, you 
know, actually you're wrong 

773
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,960
about this stuff. 
But yeah, but like, again, 

774
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,720
that's I thought that the the 
way that they it, it's almost so

775
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,160
well done that it's like 
romanticized, you know. 

776
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,640
So I think that that's where I 
would compliment the production 

777
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,640
beyond obviously the God tear 
dub that we got. 

778
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,080
But what? 
What's something that stood out 

779
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,440
to you? 
Specific scene design? 

780
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,960
Something along those lines. 
A specific scene was it when Jet

781
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,760
and Spike we're going off the 
the boat race or the the guy 

782
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,600
escaping in the boat with the 
girl when they mix sort of the 

783
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,400
the the space elements, like the
ships inside, like urban 

784
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,480
settings inside, like the city. 
I think that's where it shined, 

785
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,320
I think. 
And if we're all bring up 

786
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,400
Lazarus, one thing Lazarus did 
really well was sort of like 

787
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,920
showcasing and animating the 
urban settings. 

788
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,720
And I really enjoyed what we got
from Cowboy Bebop, But it was 

789
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,280
there's still levels of like I 
compared it to like Akira where 

790
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,040
you have like normal city 
settings, but like they go above

791
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,280
and beyond with like the 
shadowing of the, the characters

792
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,280
and the movements where you see 
the spaceship going by and you 

793
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,400
see the shadows moving with the 
light, like as it's going 

794
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,560
through like a street light and 
it's, it's panning and it's 

795
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,760
like, oh, that's it's not just a
blank still. 

796
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,640
It's it's changing with the 
movement and just seeing the 

797
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,400
level of that over and over and 
over again in the show where 

798
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,280
it's like, you didn't have to do
that and it would have been the 

799
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,520
same show, but because you did, 
it's elevated so much more. 

800
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,120
And it was, it wasn't, was just 
one of those things where 

801
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,680
sometimes you see in shows where
they just have like 1 big ass 

802
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,440
soccer gun moment and like, 
yeah, this is it. 

803
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,920
There was no like there was no 
episode 19 of Demon Slayer in 

804
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,920
this like 75% of the show was 
episode 19 of Demon Slayer. 

805
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,440
Like it was just so polished for
its time. 

806
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,520
And that's not even including 
the music, which was just like, 

807
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,400
I mean, duh, like incredible. 
Regardless of his works, his 

808
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,160
music is always incredible sound
design. 

809
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,360
It's like kind of what I wanted 
Black Lagoon to be was this. 

810
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
This is why I want Black Lagoon 
to be like the weapons sounded 

811
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,000
like weapons. 
It it would mix through because 

812
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,480
they weren't always just using 
the same pistols or something 

813
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,240
like that. 
Like there's so many different 

814
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,800
types of combat in it. 
And it was reflected in each 

815
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,080
type of weapon. 
The spaceship laser guns to the 

816
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,520
rail guns to the pistols to the 
swords. 

817
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Like everything in the show was 
just cream of the crop. 

818
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,640
And if someone said this is like
they're they think it's the best

819
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,600
animated show of all time, I 
would, I would be like, I 

820
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,160
totally see it. 
Like honestly one of the best 

821
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,960
produced shows I've ever seen in
my entire life. 

822
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,080
Even faze boobs, right? 
I mean, like, they're right. 

823
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Like I'm. 
Not going to touch with that, 

824
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880
but. 
You couldn't let me say it, Pat.

825
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,440
You couldn't let me say it. 
It's OK. 

826
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,640
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. 
It's a cocky there. 

827
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,760
But stole my Thunder. 
I was that was my. 

828
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,280
I was going to talk about that 
and mine. 

829
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,320
So please do that and please do 
because I only said 2 words. 

830
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,920
You can you can take this. 
OK, I will not spend that much 

831
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,160
time on it, but I do think that 
like the way that Faye is 

832
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,360
animated is like obviously it is
very sexualized, but I think 

833
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,160
that it is sexualized in a very 
it feels like the female gaze, 

834
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,680
like it's realistic. 
She's not like she's not like a 

835
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,440
dragon made character or some 
shit like that. 

836
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,440
Basically, like she is a like 
attractive, conventionally 

837
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,840
attractive woman with a nice 
figure and everything. 

838
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,320
But like, it's done pretty 
respectfully overall. 

839
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,360
I like to think, and I like 
that. 

840
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,000
I like that there's different 
forms of respect when it comes 

841
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,640
to like femininity in animation.
You can obviously do things 

842
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,600
where you're not sexualizing the
characters at all and be 

843
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,240
respectful. 
But I think it's also possible 

844
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,720
to have like a respectful 
sexualization for like a grown 

845
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:57,800
woman, you know, but to move 
away from that because that's 

846
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,600
that's my piece on it. 
I think that the moment that 

847
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,840
really stuck out for me is that 
dogfight that happens with like 

848
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Vicious and Spike and Grin. 
Like if you watch the movie Ever

849
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,000
Peed, there's an incredible 
dogfight in that as well. 

850
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,720
And I think that that is 
something that like I wish we 

851
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,920
saw more of in anime was I think
that like aerial combat is 

852
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,080
something you just don't really 
get a whole lot of at all. 

853
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Like in sci-fi settings and like
regular settings. 

854
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Like, I get it. 
It's it seems like it's probably

855
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,200
pretty difficult. 
You have to have like an 

856
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,920
understand a better 
understanding of like physics 

857
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,120
and such rather than like, you 
know, just making some 

858
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,840
superhumans do cool stuff. 
Like they they do whatever. 

859
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Spike's kicking somebody's ass, 
or you know, the character whose

860
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,320
name I can't remember in Lazarus
who's just kind of spiked but 

861
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,560
worse. 
Yeah, I would say that that's 

862
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,120
probably my overall favorite 
thing. 

863
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Like I had mentioned earlier, I 
love how they have a musical 

864
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,840
theme for every episode and then
integrate that specific genre or

865
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,600
style of music into the the 
story. 

866
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Like the one that really stands 
out for me is episode 17 

867
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Mushroom Samba. 
Obviously that's a standout 

868
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,160
episode for a lot of people for 
an obvious reason. 

869
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,120
But the train heist whenever 
they're they have like the samba

870
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,720
music going and it's just 
somebody like listing like 

871
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:29,360
countries and cities over like 
of sick baseline. 

872
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,920
I was like, hell fucking yeah. 
Like I started grooving a little

873
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,400
bit in my seat. 
Then I think that that is like 

874
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,640
the mark of like a truly great 
soundtrack is whenever like it 

875
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,760
makes you feel something and 
it's like, I know, hot take, hot

876
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,360
fucking take right there. 
I know. 

877
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,920
But like getting me to like 
actually like get out of my seat

878
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,080
and groove a little bit is like 
even more so like feeling it in 

879
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,200
your body instead of just like 
in your emotions is like a whole

880
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,440
nother level for me. 
And I think that the show does 

881
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,200
that in a lot of ways. 
But I'm also just somebody who 

882
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,200
really loves jazz, so maybe I'm 
biased. 

883
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,400
You know, the the jazz in this 
show is unbelievable and I'm 

884
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,920
pretty sure almost every episode
is named after a song or an 

885
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,560
album or something along those 
lines. 

886
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,680
And they usually or or a genre, 
obviously, like you mentioned 

887
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:23,040
the mushroom samba, whatever it 
was, but like those dude help 

888
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,400
tell the story that is usually 
in that episode. 

889
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,520
And it's the music is so, so 
well done in the production 

890
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,880
behind that. 
To be able to select music or 

891
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,520
create music or have a team that
does that, I think is is 

892
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,600
something that we don't see a 
lot in again, and I'm just 

893
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,840
referencing seasonal anime, but 
even in the in the GOAT goaded 

894
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,320
shows out there, right? 
Like you remember scores, but 

895
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600
you don't necessarily remember 
specific songs or how those 

896
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,600
scores were like fully 
reflective of the scene or a 

897
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,520
moment or an episode. 
But in this show you do almost 

898
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,560
every single episode. 
There's there's a a specific 

899
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:03,680
motif that it's trying to paint.
I think the music is so, so 

900
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,200
important to that one more 
comments on the faith thing as 

901
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,640
well. 
I agree that is extremely well 

902
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,920
done without being overly 
sexual. 

903
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,680
And I think that the sexual 
aspect or anything along those 

904
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,240
lines is usually painted in a 
way where it's relevant to the 

905
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:24,960
plot. 
I guess where it's like, oh, she

906
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,440
is being held up by bad people 
or she's, you know, trying to 

907
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,440
seduce the person on it that 
she's talking to or trying to 

908
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,160
like pull a sleight of hand by 
showing little side boob, 

909
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,440
whatever, like that kind of 
stuff. 

910
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,240
So it's it's never irrelevant, I
guess, which I appreciate more 

911
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,920
than like like you mentioned 
Dragon mate, I guess, right. 

912
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,920
So like that's an easy show to 
dunk on, right, for that stuff. 

913
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,280
So that that's where I would 
stand on the face stuff. 

914
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,720
So I think it's pretty well 
done. 

915
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,320
Yeah, I think they have two. 
Scenes. 

916
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,120
Where she's in the shower and 
each time it's just like her 

917
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,000
back like it the you know, 
you'll see like a butt crack 

918
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,760
like you would normally see in 
like other anime. 

919
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,280
It was, I thought it was, I 
thought it was very like, yeah, 

920
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,680
it's like she's just like sexy. 
She's just like a sexy person. 

921
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,400
Like it wasn't sexualized. 
She's just a good looking 

922
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,680
person. 
Based. 

923
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,560
Yep. 
Based Yep. 

924
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,040
All righty dude, let's do a 
question from one of our 

925
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,640
community members who wrote some
questions for us, which we 

926
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,160
appreciate every single time. 
Thank you, Champ Eagle. 

927
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,000
And with the government name 
that time, which one do we want 

928
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,360
to? 
Answer. 

929
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,560
I call him Eagle, Miles calls 
him Champ, and then you called 

930
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,000
him Champ Eagle. 
It's just we got we got all the 

931
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,440
bases covered. 
Yeah, there we go. 

932
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,760
That's all we needed to do, 
right? 

933
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,800
To everyone else, he's just The 
Stig, OK? 

934
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,000
That's good, that's good. 
So what do we think? 

935
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,240
Did Spike betray Vicious by 
hooking up with Julia or was 

936
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,560
that a loyalty already 
meaningless given they work in 

937
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,160
the Red Dragon Crime Syndicate? 
That is the question that we are

938
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,680
going to be answering or 
discussing. 

939
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,720
Does anyone have some some 
strong opinions on that? 

940
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,360
I would like to hear what our 
first time watchers have to say 

941
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,320
personally because I've 
rewatched this whole thing quite

942
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,840
a bit. 
So from my understanding is that

943
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,200
Vicious and Julia were doing the
deeds when Spike went after 

944
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,360
Julia a little bit. 
So yeah, he betrayed his boy 

945
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,640
like straight up. 
Like even though it's Vicious, a

946
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,960
terrible person absolutely. 
Is Spike Mr. Steal your girl? 

947
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:34,040
Apparently so, but it was so 
reminiscent to Berserk where, I 

948
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,920
mean, it's sort of like the same
dynamic, but like, it was hard 

949
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,760
to tell because it seemed like 
Julia like loved Spike spiked 

950
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,200
loved Julia and Julia never 
really had much for Vicious and 

951
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,240
that's what like it kind of 
seemed like. 

952
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,720
And so yeah, he, I don't know if
he deserved to die, but he 

953
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,120
definitely tried to steal that 
dude's girl. 

954
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,800
And he's he's the top dog. 
I guess at the moment he was, or

955
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,360
during that time he wasn't top 
dog, but like, he was a bad mofo

956
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,560
and you're trying to steal his 
girl. 

957
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,200
So yeah, you kind of got what 
was coming to you. 

958
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,800
Spike, Sorry, like, I get that 
you're the protagonist, but 

959
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,880
you're kind of a douche. 
Counterpoint. 

960
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,680
I don't know, man. 
Get over it. 

961
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,240
Like you don't own this woman. 
She's her own person. 

962
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,320
Oh. 
Yeah, by but. 

963
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,880
No, I'm not saying you're saying
that, sorry, but like no. 

964
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,000
At the end of the show he should
have been over hit by now. 

965
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,200
It was like 24 years later or 
something like Spike is like 50.

966
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,400
Like get over it. 
Isn't that long? 

967
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,960
I think it was that. 
Like I think it's like 24 years 

968
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,720
from the war to the last 
episode. 

969
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,640
It's like 24 years, something 
along those lines. 

970
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,720
I'm pretty sure Spike is in like
his 40s because it was like it 

971
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,360
was the war and then they joined
the syndicate and then we and 

972
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,880
then we're flash forward to the 
last episode. 

973
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,720
I think it's like 24 years. 
No spike is 27 years. 

974
00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,800
No way. 
I was going to say, I don't 

975
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,040
think I was. 
I was. 

976
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,360
You had me doubting myself. 
What am I thinking of then? 

977
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,320
Because he's meant to be part of
the 27 club. 

978
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,880
I swear it was way more time has
passed. 

979
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,880
OK, that changes a lot then. 
Yeah, no, not a lot of time has 

980
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,920
passed. 
So maybe that's how long? 

981
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,560
Fate was crying, likely frozen. 
Or something like Faye. 

982
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,120
Faye Faye was frozen for 50 
years. 

983
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,760
OK, maybe that's why I got that 
mixed up then. 

984
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,960
OK, no worries. 
There's a lot going on, he. 

985
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,720
He can still hold a grudge. 
I I I retracked my statement. 

986
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Well, I mean, the grudge makes 
sense, but also like Spike and 

987
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,360
Julia both wanting to run away 
makes sense because it's implied

988
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,720
that it's like right when he 
starts using and starts trying 

989
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,280
to like gain that advantage to 
climb the ladder and Spike 

990
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,840
sitting there like, you know 
what, this crime shit, it ain't 

991
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,280
for me. 
Well, or this specific brand of 

992
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,800
crime, you know, we're killing 
kids or we're doing like all 

993
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,160
these awful things. 
This isn't for me. 

994
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,400
I don't want to do this anymore.
Julia, let's run away together, 

995
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,840
you know, because, well, 
obviously he liked her, but also

996
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,400
could tell that she wasn't 
vibing with what was going on 

997
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,120
either. 
I think is is the vibe that I 

998
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,600
got from them. 
The the love triangle is not 

999
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,080
something I expected the first 
time I watched this myself. 

1000
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,280
So I guess, yeah, to answer the 
question more directly, I guess 

1001
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,320
he technically betrayed him, but
I would say that Vicious is not 

1002
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,280
trustworthy or deserving of like
like. 

1003
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,920
I don't know, like, I do agree 
that, yeah, I guess technically 

1004
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,200
if you're the type of person who
cares about that sort of shit, 

1005
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,400
like, then yeah, it's betrayal. 
I personally don't care. 

1006
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,920
I'd like there is literally 
nothing a partner could do to me

1007
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,360
that I would call cheating. 
So I don't care at all. 

1008
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,320
But obviously that wasn't like a
real thing that was seen as like

1009
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,000
a mainstream from opinion at the
time. 

1010
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,320
So you're the way it's framed in
the show is sort of meant to be 

1011
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,960
a betrayal. 
But I also like Vicious was like

1012
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,160
a dangerous addict who was 
obviously getting Julia into 

1013
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,000
some shit that would eventually 
get her killed. 

1014
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,120
He like pulls a gun at her on 
her at one point and shit and 

1015
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,000
like threatens her. 
Like once you start doing that 

1016
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,960
shit and fucking around like all
bets are off man. 

1017
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,480
Like cheating is really where 
you're going to not you guys. 

1018
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,400
Sorry but cheating is where some
people will draw the line when 

1019
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,440
it's a dude that is literally 
going to eventually kill this 

1020
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
woman like. 
Yeah, like literally beating her

1021
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,640
or like doing things that's like
oh what we're don't but but 

1022
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,080
cheating is not allowed. 
But the the rest of it. 

1023
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,360
Is there are some people who 
have an obsession, an obsession 

1024
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,960
with infidelity being like the 
worst thing a human being can 

1025
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,360
do. 
And I understand that getting 

1026
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,920
cheated on. 
Sorry to go out, get on my 

1027
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,800
soapbox. 
I understand that it sucks. 

1028
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,720
But like genuinely, if you think
that what Julie and Spike did is

1029
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,560
worse than the shit Vicious was 
doing, please seek therapy 

1030
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,120
before you get into a 
relationship. 

1031
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,600
I beg of you, because even if 
you're not somebody like me 

1032
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:06,680
who's all like liberated or what
have you, like it's wrong. 

1033
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,320
It's just like all bet, like 
once you start threatening 

1034
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,760
somebody's life and like 
potentially getting them into 

1035
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,640
some shit that can get them 
killed, all bets are off in my 

1036
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,480
opinion, even if you're just 
like a normal person. 

1037
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,000
Great. 
Julia's voice actress, by the 

1038
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,760
way, same as Naruto. 
Pretty interesting I think. 

1039
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,680
Believe it. 
Believe it, baby, I I've got to 

1040
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,160
listen to that next time I watch
the the the dub That's. 

1041
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,720
Also the principle from Lab Rats
for all you Disney Channel kids.

1042
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,320
Hell yeah, there we go. 
That's a good pull. 

1043
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,760
Nice, nice, nice. 
Oh man, I guess we should talk 

1044
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,520
about that final episode or the 
final arc really, cuz like 

1045
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,680
again, like we see Spikes as 
almost like the main character, 

1046
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,440
right? 
And like, we get a little of his

1047
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,200
back story at the start. 
He almost dies, and then they 

1048
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,800
kind of do shenanigans for 15 
episodes and then it comes back.

1049
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,760
My first question, I guess would
be like a lot of people complain

1050
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,120
about that or that's usually one
of the main complaints you'll 

1051
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,360
see about the show is the fact 
that we don't see more of 

1052
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,080
Spike's back story or we don't 
get more details on it or that 

1053
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,960
it's, you know, it ignores it 
for most of the show, which I 

1054
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,280
disagree with. 
But I'm curious about your 

1055
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,320
guys's perspective on that. 
Like is that before we go into 

1056
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,120
what literally happened? 
I guess is there what what are 

1057
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,880
your thoughts on that? 
Yeah, I'm, I'm at the camp that 

1058
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,040
I do wish that there because I 
do think that there's something 

1059
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,280
that you can take away from like
the I'm going to put this in 

1060
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,520
quotation, the filler episodes. 
Like I think each episode sort 

1061
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,360
of has a meaning and a message 
to take away from it. 

1062
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,960
But I don't think every episode 
where that message actually 

1063
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,000
applies to the plot. 
So there would be some episodes 

1064
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,680
that I would remove that I could
maybe get some more back story 

1065
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,000
on Spike just because I think 
that's some of the amount and I 

1066
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,640
don't think Spike was one of 
them. 

1067
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,320
I think Spike had just had like 
one more episode devoted to him.

1068
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,920
I think of helped a lot. 
But with the ending, are you 

1069
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,760
like hitting? 
Is this like the is he dead? 

1070
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,960
Is he not dead Question Not not 
specifically, no, no more, but 

1071
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,200
more like, well, we'll talk. 
About the final episode and 

1072
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,520
like, oh, what is what is the 
shit that happens with Julia? 

1073
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,240
I mean, what is it, you know, 
like that was more my thought or

1074
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,080
go in that direction before then
eventually is he dead? 

1075
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,960
Because I think there's a lot 
going on in that final episode 

1076
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,440
that touches a lot of different 
themes we've talked talked about

1077
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,480
so far. 
Yeah, there, there's a lot to 

1078
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,080
like, just decompose from that 
last. 

1079
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:38,840
Episode but in terms of. 
Man, God, where do I go with? 

1080
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,000
Spike, he's such a complex 
character towards the end of it,

1081
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,640
where I'm kind of hard to put 
into word sometimes. 

1082
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,360
Well, I do think that he's dead.
I'll just say that I don't think

1083
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,520
he's alive. 
I think the only reason why, the

1084
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,240
only thing. 
There's two reasons why I think 

1085
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,240
he would. 
Be alive. 

1086
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:01,040
Was one was he faked his death 
before he could somehow fake his

1087
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,280
death this time? 
I don't know. 

1088
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,880
Like he knew that Vicious was 
going to slash him with a sword 

1089
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,400
spike shenanigans. 
Also that was a jet cooked his 

1090
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,360
last meal and he never ate it. 
So that could be a wink that 

1091
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,560
he's not actually dead. 
Like he never had his last meal.

1092
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,200
Now I lost the question. 
What was the question? 

1093
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:18,600
Good. 
Sorry. 

1094
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,760
Well, we you kind of moved on to
what? 

1095
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,360
The next question was but no, 
no, the more question was just 

1096
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,160
like, what do we think? 
Like are you of the opinion 

1097
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,120
basically that you know the show
with Spike being the the main 

1098
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,720
character? 
How does or how do you feel 

1099
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,360
about how much of his back story
we got? 

1100
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,280
Because it does it does it kind 
of sporadically, like what is 

1101
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,800
your do you agree with that? 
Like as a criticism of the show 

1102
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,080
or not? 
You kind of answer that you do 

1103
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,440
you wish there was one more 
episode. 

1104
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,440
I I would say think of you had 
like a really good sandwich. 

1105
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,840
And the bread is amazing, but 
like the toppings inside was are

1106
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,480
like a day old. 
That's what that's what it felt 

1107
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,800
like. 
I kind of wish that we had a 

1108
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,280
little bit better, better meet 
in the middle. 

1109
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,680
That way it would complete my 
sandwich OK and that extra. 

1110
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,000
Meat would be a spike, more 
spike content. 

1111
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:18,160
OK. 
My extra meat, you know, sorry, 

1112
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:25,560
the phrase extra meat got me, 
but my extra meat would be take 

1113
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,800
one episode out, I don't care 
which one, and give me an 

1114
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,960
episode where EIN goes on a 
little adventure or adventure 

1115
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,960
Part 3. 
Let us get a like EIN's thoughts

1116
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,920
voiced or something. 
And like nobody, like nobody can

1117
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,200
understand it obviously, but 
it's like EIN's thoughts and let

1118
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,680
EIN go on an adventure or keep 
it silent and just keep it 

1119
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,560
silent and just have music the 
whole time. 

1120
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,280
Like I think that would also go 
crazy. 

1121
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,760
I think that an EIN POV episode 
would have been amazing. 

1122
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,040
Basically like what Apocalypse 
Hotel did in episode 11 where 

1123
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,360
it's like 15. 
Minutes of silence and just 

1124
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,240
music. 
Yes, literally something like 

1125
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,560
that that. 
Would be sick. 

1126
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,640
That would be so sick. 
There's a lot more you can do 

1127
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,840
with this show, which is I 
think. 

1128
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaks to the volume of the 
characters that are in it and 

1129
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,240
like the the world building 
right of it that that you could 

1130
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,720
even with potentially the main 
lead dead in the group 

1131
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,000
scattered, you can still do more
with it, right? 

1132
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,120
And people want more with it. 
I would say that I understand 

1133
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,280
that criticism. 
I guess to answer my own 

1134
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,320
question here, I I understand 
where that criticism comes from 

1135
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,680
because I would, I just want 
more like objectively, rightly 

1136
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,000
like what you're saying. 
I I just want more of the show. 

1137
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,640
But I also think that it is very
intentional by the director to 

1138
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,480
have it be so vague and have it 
be so much that you have to 

1139
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,680
learn from paying attention to 
the other stories or how they 

1140
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,080
react to the other stories of 
the people in their lives. 

1141
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,720
And in this case, more 
specifically Spike. 

1142
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,520
Like I think that that is very, 
very much intentional in the 

1143
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:07,080
same way that, oh, this is a 
perfect tie and I'm so good at 

1144
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,360
this intention. 
The end of episode 24 or 26, 

1145
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,240
whatever it was, is incredibly 
vague and intentionally 

1146
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,640
open-ended as to whether did he 
live? 

1147
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,480
Did he not? 
You know, it's a very Western 

1148
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,120
thing to do as well, to be clear
to it's like half of those 

1149
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,360
movies and with like a hand 
coming up, not clearly coming up

1150
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,720
from the grave, but you know, 
like, like someone's hand 

1151
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,600
twitching or a person riding off
into the sunset, what's going to

1152
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,880
happen to them? 
Who knows, Like all that stuff. 

1153
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,360
So I think there's a lot going 
on there with with Spike at the 

1154
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,440
end. 
But I can understand why people 

1155
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,520
wish we got more of it, or more,
or got it more clearly outlined,

1156
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,400
especially as someone who hates 
open-ended endings most of the 

1157
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:57,560
time. 
Yeah, Watson Abbey has been on 

1158
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,880
record. 
I say like as. 

1159
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,480
I mean this was from like 2007 
so his opinion could have 

1160
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,680
changed or maybe it was 2017 I 
don't know. 

1161
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,560
It's basically the same year he 
said that he doesn't himself, 

1162
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,560
doesn't know if Spike is alive 
or dead or not, which I think is

1163
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,000
like the interpretation is meant
to be. 

1164
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,640
Like maybe he's going to want to
do something in the future with 

1165
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,240
it and we get more content out 
of it. 

1166
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,000
So he wants to keep it a bit 
open-ended. 

1167
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,280
But I think that there there's 
arguments for both. 

1168
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:32,360
Honestly, I think that like my 
main argument for is that we see

1169
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,680
like the star guardian like go 
out at the end, like the the 

1170
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,040
star fade away, but that could 
also mean Vicious because we 

1171
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,480
never see Vicious's body. 
So honestly, I think that he's 

1172
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,000
probably dead because I don't 
see how he could get out of that

1173
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,200
situation like facing down the 
rest of the Syndicate. 

1174
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,680
But like it's also Spike Spiegel
so he can do whatever the fuck 

1175
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,560
he wants given, you know, 
basically anything. 

1176
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,720
So I don't know, tough question 
honestly, because I feel like it

1177
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,720
could go two way. 
I think like the. 

1178
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,120
Romantic side of the story of 
Spike dying makes sense but you 

1179
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,800
can I could also see because 
Spike wiped out like a ton of 

1180
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,960
the syndicate getting to vicious
where I was. 

1181
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,840
If we're just playing like maybe
it's not like the top people 

1182
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,600
that are left. 
If Faye just like flew in and on

1183
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:22,920
our spaceship and gun people 
down. 

1184
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,360
I can see maybe Faye saving 
Spike in a sense, but I'm really

1185
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:32,600
happy with how the story ends 
because it's sort of to me with 

1186
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,400
Spike's eye, he he can see the. 
Present and he can see. 

1187
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,640
The past at all points, like he 
can never escape that sort of 

1188
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,960
nightmare. 
I think it's like romantic for 

1189
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,840
Spike where this is the end and 
he no longer has to like deal 

1190
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,600
with the past and the present at
the same time. 

1191
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,160
Like he finally saw Julia. 
I think it's like one of the 

1192
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:55,200
last scenes where he saw Julia 
in his present eye and not his 

1193
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,240
past eye. 
And I think that's sort of 

1194
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,360
supposed to like represent that 
he's like seeing her in the 

1195
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,560
light now and that he's able to 
move forward. 

1196
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:07,280
That's how I interpreted it. 
I think there's a a little. 

1197
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:12,160
Bit to do with too the. 
The song choices and the. 

1198
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,320
Music that is played. 
During this, yeah, it was a ball

1199
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,600
with the ball or something. 
Or it's just like no. 

1200
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,080
Spike's coming back for sure. 
Yeah, now with the. 

1201
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,360
There is. 
A. 

1202
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,000
A finality. 
To it right and the the song. 

1203
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,960
The Beatles song that is 
referenced in the in those final

1204
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,080
credits is is very important as 
well to this. 

1205
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,440
I think there's I don't know. 
I just want to believe he's 

1206
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,120
still alive because like what a 
character? 

1207
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,880
How do you kill him, right? 
You know, like the it's like a 

1208
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,880
it's a mentality kind of thing. 
More for me than it is because I

1209
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,680
to be it doesn't change what 
happened in that scene he went 

1210
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,920
there thinking he was going to 
die on a suicide mission 

1211
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,760
basically on AI have lost my 
purpose in my life. 

1212
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:12,440
I am going to go end this dream 
and this, this, this basically 

1213
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,280
perpetual torture of, of 
existence. 

1214
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,640
And, and and that's like very 
like emo kind of sounding, but 

1215
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,840
it's not, and not not exactly 
how it's phrased or, or framed, 

1216
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,040
but it's, it's a general point. 
It's he's he's he's wanting to 

1217
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,080
wake up. 
He needs to move on. 

1218
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,960
And we talked about with the 
Boutis earlier. 

1219
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,080
He has to move on. 
He has to find a way to move on 

1220
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,600
with his life. 
And that's either in death or in

1221
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,840
the afterlife or in vanquishing 
his demons, in this case, 

1222
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:51,680
literal demon and moving on. 
And God so well shot the score 

1223
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,080
and the music, the end, the end.
Bang. 

1224
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,319
So good. 
Just aura, aura maxing, farming.

1225
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:04,279
What's the we're too old? 
I'm not on Roblox anymore. 

1226
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,000
Oh yeah. 
But real quick because I brought

1227
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,960
up that like their. 
Vicious Spike and Julia was a 

1228
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,279
lot like Berserk, you know, in a
sense. 

1229
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:17,040
And now it did reminds me of 
Cowboy Bebop kind of having a 

1230
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,720
conversation that us Berserk 
fans are having with because 

1231
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,800
Spike is a lot like Guts and 
there's a conversation with 

1232
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,120
Berserk is should Guts die at 
the end of the series. 

1233
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,240
And it's kind of the same thing 
as Spike is like this is his 

1234
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,560
release from all of the pain 
that he's going through. 

1235
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,520
Though I because maybe it's 
because I've been the camp where

1236
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,960
I think it's romantic for Guts's
story to end in that way. 

1237
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,160
And so I see that in Spike as 
well. 

1238
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:44,439
And that's sort of the ending I 
want for that story. 

1239
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,640
And seeing it in Cowboy Bebop is
like, I don't know, it's just 

1240
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:53,359
awesome to see you. 
So cool. 

1241
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,880
I love I love good shit. 
You know it. 

1242
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,800
Was a good show, good shows and 
shows like Lazarus. 

1243
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,120
I I liked again, I think I. 
I get why people didn't like it,

1244
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:10,080
but I also think it got dunked 
on and we live in a world where 

1245
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,320
you get memed on. 
There's no coming back. 

1246
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,680
So got it. 
I don't know, I. 

1247
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,520
I I thought that. 
It was a perfectly fine show. 

1248
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,000
Is is where I'm at too. 
I'm not sitting here saying yo 

1249
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,200
watch our Lazarus review. 
You want to see our thoughts on 

1250
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,320
that? 
Yeah, 7 out of 10. 

1251
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:30,240
Whatever. 
I gave it. 

1252
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,560
I didn't give it a 7, did I 
probably did. 

1253
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,160
You probably did. 
We'll. 

1254
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,320
Find out in. 
The Lazarus Review. 

1255
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:43,080
Where I totally, I gave it a 
nine, which is the same score. 

1256
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,560
I came. 
Oh my God, dude, please. 

1257
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,120
You know what it was? 
I had so much. 

1258
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,520
Fun with it, I am going to bring
it. 

1259
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,560
Down to an 8. 
But the reason why I think the 

1260
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,320
reason why in that moment was 
how much fun I had watching the 

1261
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,040
show that I like came into it 
shocked that everyone hated it 

1262
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,920
so much. 
Where like I I don't think I 

1263
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,160
gave it that out of spite. 
It might have stayed there out 

1264
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,040
of spite because you validly had
complaints about the show. 

1265
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:12,040
I'll bring it down to an 8. 
You guys are you worked so hard 

1266
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,200
to. 
Convince me to do that. 

1267
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,520
So there. 
We go, do we have any final 

1268
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,880
thoughts on Bebop before we do 
our own closing thoughts I 

1269
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,360
suppose, Or is there a 
discussion point we wanted to 

1270
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,520
get to or I don't know. 
I feel pretty good. 

1271
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,120
Oh, I mean, I'm actually kind of
curious. 

1272
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,720
Sorry. 
About the question, other 

1273
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,080
question Champ had asked where 
if we were on the bebop, which 

1274
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,840
role do you think you would 
fulfill? 

1275
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,480
Because that's just a fun one 
that has nothing to do with the 

1276
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,800
plot. 
I just think it's an interesting

1277
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,880
bit for our fans to know a 
little bit more about us. 

1278
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,480
We usually ask this question too
about other stuff, so that's a 

1279
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:42,880
good point. 
I. 

1280
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,160
I totally missed that one. 
So yeah, I guess I, I don't know

1281
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,680
what I would be pilot maybe. 
I'm really good at driving and 

1282
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,920
and so yeah, maybe pilot of the 
bebop that I don't think they 

1283
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,320
need a talent manager or an 
agent really. 

1284
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,920
Maybe manage their bounties 
accountant work. 

1285
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:01,960
I don't. 
Know I was thinking. 

1286
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,120
Something like that too. 
Yeah, Pete would probably. 

1287
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:05,840
Do that I was thinking like 
logistics. 

1288
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:11,120
Slash like risk assessment like.
The the amount of money for how 

1289
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,720
dangerous the job is type of 
thing. 

1290
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,520
And like I could plug it into an
Excel and get you some numbers 

1291
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,280
or something like that. 
That that would be me, yeah. 

1292
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,800
Risk probability. 
Like whatever, underwriters. 

1293
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,840
Do for a living. 
Yeah, that that stuff. 

1294
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,880
There you go, Jolene, what about
you? 

1295
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,440
What would you do? 
Oh, I think I would be a bounty 

1296
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,560
that they. 
Took for having too much space 

1297
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:38,080
debt. 
I would be. 

1298
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,160
I would do like I'd. 
Be like Faye, but. 

1299
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:46,800
Without the skills and ability 
to pilot a ship and some other 

1300
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:53,280
things. 
So mean to yourself, come on. 

1301
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,960
What would you actually do? 
Come. 

1302
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,520
On. 
Come on. 

1303
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,120
Come on. 
Oh, OK, OK. 

1304
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,360
OK. 
I'll give myself something. 

1305
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,480
I'll give myself something. 
I think if it were like an 

1306
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:04,600
idealized version of myself, I 
would want to be like, not 

1307
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,520
necessarily like I wouldn't want
to be a bounty hunter for like 

1308
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,560
people. 
I would want to like retrieve 

1309
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,840
objects like when they went to 
get like the Betamax player and 

1310
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,120
stuff. 
I think that like a treasure 

1311
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,920
hunter more than a bounty hunter
would be more interesting for me

1312
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,200
personally because I don't 
really want to kill somebody, 

1313
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:28,080
but like going on to Earth and 
like diving into the fucking 

1314
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,880
like ruins and stuff. 
I think would be really 

1315
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,600
interesting because I am 
somebody who really enjoys like 

1316
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,160
diving and stuff like that 
already. 

1317
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,360
So that's a great answer. 
The Nicholas Earth. 

1318
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,440
Yeah, there you. 
Go. 

1319
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,800
True, the bounty is we have to 
feel the declaration of. 

1320
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,040
Independence It's sunk 
underneath the ground after a 

1321
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:53,840
meteor struck it. 
Old President Trump. 

1322
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,960
Old. 
President Trump was buried. 

1323
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,120
With it, actually, Pete, he held
on to it like a Egyptian 

1324
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,800
sarcophagus. 
Or something like that. 

1325
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,200
Yeah, he used it for toilet 
paper and immediately. 

1326
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,040
Died and if, if we can finally 
move on from the fucking. 

1327
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,680
First documents, First 
Amendments, then I'm fine with 

1328
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,680
that personally. 
But you know, yeah, fucking 

1329
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,520
speech. 
Yeah, that's the one that's. 

1330
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,120
The one I'm talking about here. 
All right, Yeah, Let's do our 

1331
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,080
closing thoughts and our final 
scores for Bebop. 

1332
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,520
The math, it's going to be real 
easy on this one because it's 

1333
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,320
just going to be 10 + 10 + 10. 
I know. 

1334
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,680
You said you gave it a nine. 
You already. 

1335
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,560
I know. 
I know. 

1336
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,720
I know. 
That was the joke. 

1337
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,520
Thank you, Pete. 
Yes. 

1338
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,800
I am totally going to give it 
and this time around, no I'm 

1339
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,520
not. 
Why is my calculator not open? 

1340
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,600
Why am I opening a calculator? 
I can do basic math, Pete, can 

1341
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,480
you? 
What is your I? 

1342
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:51,920
I like to. 
Think so. 

1343
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,720
I, I majored in math in college 
at one point. 

1344
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,000
What is what is your final 
thoughts and your final score? 

1345
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,480
I mean, just quick shout out, 
shout out the tank, one of the 

1346
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,240
most iconic. 
O PS of all time, I will say I, 

1347
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,280
I I skipped it every time 
because I've heard it like 4000 

1348
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:07,840
times. 
So don't shoot me like the 

1349
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,680
song's good, but I didn't need 
to hear it again. 

1350
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,320
That was great. 
It's pretty much what I 

1351
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,360
expected. 
I, I honestly don't think it was

1352
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,600
like one of the best dubs of all
time, but it was really damn 

1353
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,600
good. 
I, I talked about everything 

1354
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:20,680
that I already liked throughout 
the episode. 

1355
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,840
My my biggest complaint was 
just, I just felt like some of 

1356
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,560
the episodes that we got were 
like some of the filler episodes

1357
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:27,880
were fun and everything like 
that. 

1358
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,400
But sometimes I watch the 
episode and I said, what's the 

1359
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,400
point of that episode? 
Like what, what were we doing 

1360
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,840
with it? 
It reminded me a lot when we 

1361
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,960
brought back Lazarus with some 
of those episodes in that show 

1362
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,320
just didn't need to be there. 
And Bebop was like this kind of 

1363
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,920
the same thing. 
So I do wish some of the like 

1364
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,920
moments that they had in some of
the filler episodes sort of 

1365
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,440
correlated to like the main. 
Plot line sometimes I felt. 

1366
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,160
Like they did sometimes I felt 
like they didn't, but it was 

1367
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,560
very minor. 
There's that's like my only 

1368
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,600
complaint about the show. 
Everything else music, 

1369
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:04,880
animation, directing, S tier, S 
tier, S tier. 

1370
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,200
S Tier S. 
Tier. 

1371
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,200
It's just it was a fantastic, 
fantastic show. 

1372
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:14,040
I'm going to give this like a 
very high 9 out of 10, nine out 

1373
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,000
of 10. 
All right, Jolene. 

1374
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,480
What about you? 
Oh. 

1375
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,200
I'll just be quick about it 
because. 

1376
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:23,480
I mean for me this is probably 
like the easiest 10 I can give 

1377
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:28,880
and watch club history. 
I mean like nostalgia goggles on

1378
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,520
like this. 
Show was just very. 

1379
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,960
Like formative for me. 
Nostalgia goggles off. 

1380
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,080
It holds up so well. 
Like genuinely, it holds up 

1381
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,520
better than shows that came out 
four years ago. 

1382
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,440
I think that Sunrise outdid 
themselves with this. 

1383
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:49,760
I think it's basically flawless.
Yoko Kano's absolutely 

1384
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,600
incredible on the OST. 
Dub is great. 

1385
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,720
It's one of the first times I 
ever heard Steve Bloom besides 

1386
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:01,720
for as Tom on Toonami, and he's 
just an iconic, iconic voice 

1387
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,560
actor. 
I think he's he's the most 

1388
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,800
prolific voice actor of the 
modern age. 

1389
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:12,600
So like, I think that this show 
is just like historic and it 

1390
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,880
it's well deserving of A10 in my
opinion. 

1391
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,280
So I will not complain about 
that. 

1392
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,560
Score Yeah for me. 
I agree with what my biggest 

1393
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,360
gripe with the show always has 
been, even after multiple 

1394
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,480
rewatches, is the like you said,
there are a couple episodes that

1395
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:34,400
kind of did drag at certain 
points or felt a little aimless,

1396
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,040
which was frustrating because 
all the other ones are so 

1397
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:43,160
poignant and so good. 
And then like there's 24 or 23 

1398
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:48,800
episodes in this show that are 
like 10 out of 10 perfect and 

1399
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,200
that. 
And this isn't to say that the 

1400
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,080
other three are are bad either, 
like objectively bad. 

1401
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,720
They're just they don't feel 
like they fit like the the 

1402
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,680
fridge monster like goo thing 
like that happens. 

1403
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,000
It's so like it's silly. 
We get to see the characters 

1404
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,440
kind of have a little bit of 
different personality, but it's 

1405
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:09,520
like, what the hell was that? 
You know what happened? 

1406
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,480
There's no, there's no real 
impact from that episode. 

1407
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:16,880
And and I guess it was a nice 
break from the tension of the 

1408
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,920
other episodes, but it also felt
kind of random. 

1409
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,000
And then especially at 
compounding that with or 

1410
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,120
compounding that with the fact 
that we we you wish you got more

1411
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,840
Spike, your back story, you wish
you got more of the crew 

1412
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:35,280
building up to that, you know, 
ultimate finale with vicious, 

1413
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,360
you know, like that, that back 
story as well. 

1414
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,160
I think that that's where my 
frustration is with the show. 

1415
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,800
But outside of that, like Pete 
said too, I everything else 

1416
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,440
about the show is perfect. 
You can show this to anybody. 

1417
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,560
I've shown this to college 
friends. 

1418
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,440
I've shown this to Ashley. 
She watched all of it and loved 

1419
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:56,560
it. 
I've shown this to friends that 

1420
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,280
I grew up with who weren't 
really into anime, maybe watch 

1421
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,880
Cartoon Network and that's it. 
Like this is it, it holds up so,

1422
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,800
so well. 
I think it is probably like a 

1423
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,920
top five anime ever in my 
opinion. 

1424
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,960
Even as I give it a nine, I 
still I still love this. 

1425
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,160
I like in terms of enjoyment per
in everything. 

1426
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,600
It's it's a 10 out of 10. 
It's a 12 out of 10. 

1427
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,960
I mean, it's like this and 
Gurren Lagann are are so 

1428
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,240
important to me. 
I mean those are mine. 

1429
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:26,120
Like if if I do enter end up 
getting more tattoos, those are 

1430
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,640
the next two, you know, like 
that's there's just no doubt. 

1431
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,200
I love them so, so much. 
Cowboy Bebop, what a show and I 

1432
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,240
will care. 
Bury this weight forever and I 

1433
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,080
will give it a nine out of 10 
still. 

1434
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:42,720
Which leaves our final score at 
a 9.33 repeating better than I 

1435
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,040
thought we'd do. 
I guess it helps they. 

1436
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,680
Only have three of us. 
With the score, but that is 

1437
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,600
about 1/2 a point higher, a 
little more than the mouse score

1438
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,280
of an 8.75. 
So good job everybody, very well

1439
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,640
done. 
I'm happy with this. 

1440
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,520
It's a top 50 popular and ranked
anime. 

1441
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,880
That's so sick. 
The show deserves all the 

1442
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,440
flowers it gets and I'm glad we 
gave it to him. 

1443
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,400
But yeah, that wraps up Cowboy 
Bebop. 

1444
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,240
Let's discuss not what we're 
watching next week, because 

1445
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:18,280
that's still a secret. 
The wink wink, biggest secret. 

1446
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,880
Not a secret, ever. 
Instead, let's talk about what 

1447
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,160
we're nominating for two weeks 
after. 

1448
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:28,520
That right, Pete? 
What are you nominating on the 

1449
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,920
eve of my birthday? 
Yeah. 

1450
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,080
So we reviewed the first season,
the second season just. 

1451
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,880
Wrapped up and we all liked it. 
It was a lot of people's top 

1452
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,800
like 10 anime of last year. 
But why not? 

1453
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,520
Let's discuss the sequel I'm 
nominating Medalist Season 2, 

1454
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:46,680
yes, and it'll finally be time 
where we can air it. 

1455
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,520
Or or watch it, Let's go. 
I love. 

1456
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,800
That great choice. 
Great choice, Jolene, what about

1457
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:56,120
you? 
This is just. 

1458
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,400
Easy for me since there's only 
three of us here. 

1459
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,000
I'm nominating interspecies 
reviewers, baby motherfucker. 

1460
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,680
I guess. 
Guess it's getting a A. 

1461
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,080
Legacy. 
Point a legacy point no matter 

1462
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,840
what, I guess it's getting a. 
Review. 

1463
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,040
Yeah, well, we'll see. 
We'll. 

1464
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,920
See. 
All right. 

1465
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,080
And I am going I forget why I 
even was nominating God the 

1466
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,480
three months ago before we did 
our themed weeks, but I'm going 

1467
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:25,120
to steal one from Pat week from 
last week. 

1468
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,080
I can't remember if it was me 
who nominated this or not, but 

1469
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,200
my happy marriage. 
Again, I've seen a lot of good 

1470
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,240
things about that show or people
talk about it and seems right up

1471
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,480
my alley. 
Ashley and I keep like flipping 

1472
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:38,400
through HBO and Netflix looking 
for a ROM com to watch and we 

1473
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,880
just can't find anything that we
like. 

1474
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,040
Both are like let's watch it. 
So maybe this would be that 

1475
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,040
video. 
April showers bring Mayflower. 

1476
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:47,760
OK, I'll try. 
I'll. 

1477
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,280
I'll look for it. 
We actually watched Crazy. 

1478
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:54,240
Stupid love for the first well, 
for my first time a couple 

1479
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,320
nights ago and that was really 
fun that that it's with like 

1480
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,600
Ryan Gosling, Steve Carell, all 
them Emma Stone. 

1481
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,160
It's really funny, really good 
movie. 

1482
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,280
Highly recommend. 
But yeah, so that wraps up my 

1483
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:14,320
happy marriage as my nomination 
here on my even my birthday. 

1484
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,040
Throw that out there again for 
our voters. 

1485
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,560
I have my birthday tomorrow. 
So please vote for my show. 

1486
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,840
I'm cheating. 
Yeah. 

1487
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,640
It's my favorite, yes, but the 
gift of interspecies reviewers 

1488
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,480
would be. 
Something and and Medalist 

1489
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:34,920
season 2 would also be quite a 
gift, though I will say so I 

1490
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,640
don't think I'll be terribly 
unhappy with 2/3 of the options.

1491
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,520
We'll see, we'll see, we'll see,
But that you really shouldn't 

1492
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,640
hate on your own show like that.
That's fucked up, man. 

1493
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,280
I know I. 
Know it's just, hey, it's what I

1494
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,080
got to do to win sometimes. 
Right. 

1495
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,840
But yeah, that wraps up Watch 
Club this week. 

1496
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,440
Thank you for listening as 
always. 

1497
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:53,560
And Pete, why don't you take it 
away? 

1498
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,400
If you have made this far and 
you want to support us, the best

1499
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,080
way to do so like, comment, 
subscribe, leave a review, 

1500
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,840
whatever platform. 
You're watching or listening to 

1501
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,480
us on. 
Now that I'm back from Japan, we

1502
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:01,680
are back to our regular 
schedule. 

1503
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,360
So next week we will be doing 
our. 

1504
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:06,760
I think it's just gonna be me. 
The which fall? 

1505
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,640
Fall. 
It is the fall review from last 

1506
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,360
season going over like 14 shows 
that I watched. 

1507
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,520
Otherwise, if you're here for 
Watch Club, we will see you in 

1508
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,400
two weeks for, who knows, our 
April Fools episode. 

1509
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,400
What could it be? 
We'll see you then. 

1510
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:20,480
Thanks. 
We'll see you next time. 

1511
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:23,480
Bye, bye. 
Bye. 

1512
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:23,640
Bye. 
Bye.