Hello, ladies and gentleman. Welcome to what you say anime.
I am your host Peter and on today's episode along with co
host Pat and Miles. We are going to be discussing a
book called the seven basic plots by Christopher Booker.
It is a book that outlines seven different archetypes that
stories fall into and we are going to be using anime for are
examples of those archetype plots.
Pat was The one who? Brought this up and I thought
it'd be a great discussion. And before I pass over the pad,
if you are interested in maybe hearing us talk about a certain
discussion plot. Let us know in like our Discord
or DME and we can maybe do an episode about so Pat take it
away. Yeah.
So like we said the book is one more time.
It's called the seven basic plots and why we tell stories I
read this in one of my college writing classes that I had to
take as a liberal arts major. It was part of the curriculum of
whatever class I took. Remember what it was?
I will admit, I did not read the full thing.
So don't please don't read the full thing.
It's 750 pages of academic text. However, I highly recommend.
You look this book up and I just read a synopsis about it, or
like, maybe what do what miles did, which was listen to a few
parts of the audio book, where you really Christopher Booker?
Really dives into the thesis of this book.
We're like Pete said it's about the seven basic plot points.
And And how every single story of fiction told can fit and be
defined by these, seven plot points or fit within one of
these seven basic plots. So the seven basic plots that
were going to be going over, I'll read through them all and
give a quick little synopsis of them or and then give some
literary examples as well. Some actual literary examples
rather than anime, and then we're going to discuss them all.
We're going to talk about a couple of each.
Maybe we'll see if we have Overlap, maybe we'll see if we
have some disagreements about where stories fall in, you know,
because like maybe Pete thinks Kona soup is a tragedy and I
have to tell them that. It's just that it's just not and
that it's a comedy obviously, you know, who knows?
But yeah, so the first plot is overcoming the monster which
some of these are very simple so they won't have to go too deep
into it. But yeah, basically the
protagonist sets out and defeats an antagonistic Force off at
Which you know is often evil and whether or not it's threatening
our homeland throwing their livelihood, whatever it can be
any sort of thing like that. So good example.
This might be Beowulf where he literally kills a monster or
over is lazy. Monster.
Star Wars is considering example of overcoming the monster in the
case of the Sith. But yeah, so that that's the
first basic plot. The second one is called Rags to
Riches where the the protagonist acquires a Of some kind or
power, anything could be a spouse as well.
There's a couple different ways to Define this, they then have
to either lose it and gain it all back, or experienced some
sort of conflict with this power or with this wealth, whatever.
And then grow as a person as a result of this.
So good example of this might be Cinderella.
It's a really good example. She becomes rich or she gets to
experience Taste of Rich being rich and being out of ball.
And then loses it has to gain it back.
Great, Expectations. Another good example of God, if
you've read that and you're listening to an anime podcast on
it, what's wrong with you? Okay, honestly, that is the
dullest book I've ever read in my entire lighter wall.
Nothing happens. He does nothing.
And that's like the point of the book but why write the damn
book? Anyways?
Yeah. Hey, hey.
Great Expectations. Yeah, so if you can tell Miles
and I are the more, the literary, guess backgrounds, and
I can't read my no, he can't read.
That's why he reads. Manga.
I like pictures. He doesn't read light novels
though. So there you go because he can't
read. So to continue the third base,
plot point is the quest. So the protagonist and their
companions if they have them set out to inquire to acquire either
an important object, or Get to a certain location and they'll
face obstacles along the way. So, you know, the Iliad in front
of three times as one of the best examples of this along with
Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones, a lot of the stories
follow the quest. So those are some examples of
it. Voyage and return is the fourth
plot point where the protagonist goes to a Strange Land and after
overcoming the threats. Is or any sort of thing like
that? They learn important lessons at
that location. They then return to their
Homeland with that experience. So, to go back to the Greek
examples, The Odyssey is an example of voyage, and we turn
Alice in Wonderland. Is Voyage in return.
Gone With the Wind, The Lion King.
Again. There's a lot of great examples
of voyage in return. Comedy is where Light and
humorous, characters, usually have a happy and cheery ending
there can be some drama involved.
Which, but the really the big thing about comedy at least when
I was researching this part of the book is that it is not
necessarily just supposed to be comedic or funny.
It is also supposed to be about how there's usually a pattern to
where the conflict becomes more and more.
Overwhelming or more and more apparent in the story.
And then, from there, the It all resolves.
It will resolve, and it does resolve in a happier ending, but
it is still. But the conflict is still there,
I guess so, so that's maybe that this will be probably one of the
ones that we have a lot of different answers on.
I think. So some examples that he
provides our The Big Lebowski, the Wasps A, Midsummer Night's
Dream from Shakespeare's provided as well.
So, yeah, so that's comedy. The next one.
Which I think will be our best discussion is tragedy which is
defined as the the protagonist has a major character flaw or a
great mistake. That ultimately is there.
I'm doing or their final their fate.
And then if our story pans out invokes pity or makes you feel
bad for them or makes you realize that they even though
they are good character have fallen.
So the big thing here to note is that it's not just stories that
have tragic things that happen in them or whatever you want to
say it. It has to be stories where a
character has a fatal flaw or a tragic.
Occurrence that happens to them because of their own mistake or
because of their own doing, I guess.
So. So again, we'll get into that
discussion. I'm sure.
But so, some examples are Julius Caesar Romeo and Juliet The
Great Gatsby. Who are you saying that Miles?
There's a good one, Breaking Bad.
That's another great example of a tragedy.
And then finally, the last plot point is rebirth, which is where
an event forces. The main character to change and
often become a better person by the end of the story.
So, Pride and Prejudice is one of the good examples Beauty and
the Beast Christmas Carol. It's a Wonderful Life.
I think you could say, as well as a good rebirth story.
So yeah, those are the seven basic plot points that we're
going to talk about. So I asked Pete and miles to
come with two to three examples of each plot points that we
could each, you know, pitch it out there.
Say what we think about it and then bounce off of each other.
Like we always do. So mi since I always kick it to
you first. Why don't you kick us off with
overcoming the monster shoes boiler warning as well?
Because yeah, that's very true. So big spoiler warning for every
show off to me. For a lot of anime, I will say.
You know, I'll put it on Pete's, going to give you time stamps of
the show's. I will be perfect.
So there we go. Alright, I didn't want to like
handcuff them, but he's gonna do it now anyway, so I'll be doing
timestamps for the, the plots, the thoughts.
Okay, should maybe in parentheses list.
Which anime. Oh, yeah, that would be good,
too. But yeah, so spoilers for that
going ahead and also, Keep in mind that we might not agree on
all these things. So it should be very
interesting. I think to go back and forth
and, and see if we're on the same page or where we end up.
So, yeah, Mi. Why don't you kick us off with
overcoming the monster being a chore.
So do you want me to do all three of my examples while we
go? One at a time is short, so, I
started with a nice and easy one.
I did Shiki in Shiki. There's a bunch of vampires and
they're invading. Being a town and the people of
the town have to get rid of the vampires.
And at the end, they mostly get rid of all the vampires in the
end. They save their town so that
they've overcome the quite literal monster.
Yeah. So I like this one because like
it's almost kind of anything since it's like, oh, so
metaphorical monsters. And that's just like any kind of
conflict. It's great II can see that.
I think that this is a good example of Of overcoming the
mods. I think you could potentially
argue. It's a tragedy kinda kind.
Yeah. I think that there's I mean
there's certainly some tragic elements to it.
I don't think our protagonists may like has like a huge flaw
that ends up hurting him at the end.
No, he doesn't do. Well.
I think it depends on who you define as the protagonist unto
because like there's like three of them.
Yeah. So the main guy, the kid kind of
doesn't have any flavor. Pause or personality to him,
right? Like he kind of just exist to
move the plot along or to have someone to follow for the first
part of the story, versus then the doctor.
He has the flaw of maybe like seeing this as sacrifice for the
greater good or whatever you want to say, right?
Like or trying to pursue the knowledge to Garrett, you know,
just he's doing everything he can to save save the many by
sacrificing a few which of course does end up biting you in
the ass a little bit at the end. And then there's the priest as
well as opposed who kind of takes over for the third act, if
you want to go ahead. Yeah.
It's like, I mean, I think that like, from all of their
perspectives, they they view themselves as not.
Like, I don't think any of them. I think they all got what they
want. Wanted at the end of the day and
especially the priests of the doctor have conflicting
viewpoints. So perhaps they view each other
as tragic, but I don't necessarily know if they View
Themselves is tragic. And I don't know, you know, we
have different perspectives on the characters.
So sure. Yeah we do so like you know,
like I definitely think there's some tragedy in there but I
think it's important to like realize that like, there's a lot
of overlap in, you know, these storylines like there's not just
one or the other you can you can dabble in a few, you know, a
feeling a little spicy on a Tuesday night.
Yeah. Why not add a second Earth 30
then? I mean it's rebirth because
they're vampires, right? It's a comedy because they're
hilarious. There is a joke.
So they're real. If it's like the most anime hair
of all time. It is easily the most anime of
all time. Just look up Shiki and you'll
see exactly what we mean. You'll see what was it?
A mega mean. God.
What is that? What her name was?
The the, the first girl to me? Yeah, the pink careful.
Why do I remember? That good Lord.
You're here. That's very probably has the
most normal hair out of the crew.
That's what. Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, so that Shiki. I think that that's a very good
one. To start us off Pete.
What have you got for? Overcoming the monster?
Yeah. I thought overcoming the monster
was, probably the easiest one, because I think that most, like,
Shonen fall into this category. I do think that there are Are
some others that could be put in other places, which I did a
little bit and for spoiler down the road, but the first one that
came to my head was Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and I
think there's like two specific instances against fuhrer Bradley
and then against father, where the conflict is just killed the
bad guy. And then maybe you save the day
and I do think there are some other under lapsing like plot
hole plots in the story, but I think the majority is very is
When you killed father, the story was over.
That's how I kind of like how I viewed it, as overcoming the
monster. Yeah, I can't speak much about
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Haven't watched it, but Ikes.
Well, hey man, I don't want to, it's okay.
And that's okay enough shaming for that but I, but I can agree
that I think that from my understanding overcoming the
monster fits this really well where they overcome the
obstacles that they faced and they at the end of the day they
win, you know, like that's that out which it sounds really dumb
down, but that's kind of what you can do.
That's kind of the purpose of these things is to dumb it down
the plots and make them fit within the definition.
Although I don't be down the Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
in a later category, so we can compare and contrast P.
So because I was also considering putting it in
another spot. I just think when you see like
they'll you like the top 10 anime fights of all time, like
usually add versus father is somewhere in there or at lease
is like an honorable mentions. That was the first thing that
came to I had. Are ya.
Another good thing to note too is we can also wear at least
when we were signing these categories?
I don't know what these guys answered, but I did point out
that, it can be bad examples or stories that we think did this
type of plot poorly. So not all of these have to be
like, oh, I think it did overcoming the monster
extremely. Well, it can also be a little
bit of mix. I know, I have at least a little
bit of a mix in there sometimes. But yeah, so my first overcoming
the monster that I put, I got a little creative with it, I
think. As I put your name.
So being one of my favorite movies I've ever seen.
I think that they are overcoming the monster of the monster.
So speak which is the odds are stacked against them of saving
the town or more importantly say like saving people from the
natural disaster that occurs in the movie.
And I think that this movie best fits into this category because
you know, they don't they don't suddenly get rich, they don't.
It's a bit of a Ade but it does have like some serious elements
and things that they need to overcome.
It doesn't really feel much like a quest or anything either so
interesting but I threw it in here because I so would you say
that like the separation between them is the monster that they're
trying to overcome? Like that's you know, like the
monster. Yeah, because like otherwise
they can't meet in real life, right?
Because exactly is revealed that that.
Oh, she's from the past, by the way, you know or whatever or
he's from the future, I guess the On perspective.
But like, yeah, so without overcoming this monster, they
would not have been able to meet and they would not have been
able to reach the promised land of saving thousands of lives
and, you know, sit eventually living in flooded Tokyo together
as they like that. I think that's unique.
I think it probably fits like, comedy the best as you had
mentioned that. It was impossible thing, but I
like You know, it's a very good example of like the
multi-dimensional Miss of all this, how there are multiple
aspects and all of us and there's and it's like, it
doesn't like not fit. You know what I mean?
Like it. I think it's I like that as an
example because I don't think it's one.
Where, you know, I pick something where they fight
monsters, you know? Yes.
It's like, don't worry, I didn't, but I thought it would
be fun to throw this one in there.
And I do think that it's definitely top to of, like, the,
the plots. It's like that.
And you again. Comedy comedy does tend to
absorb all of like, romance and drama, like, melodrama shows.
It really does tend to, at least when you define it in the way
that this guy did. So, So I figured I'd mix it up.
But yeah, so what do you have is your second?
Sure. My second one was Afro Samurai.
I thought this was a good one. It was you know, it's a very
simple Revenge plot and afro sort of has one goal the entire
time and is to avenge his father by defeating Justice.
And the end, you know, he has to make sacrifices and stuff and
you know, depending on your view of it of like what's important
in life. Maybe there's like a little bit
of tragedy in there but like The ultimate goal is to defeat
Justice and he's able to make the sacrifices and overcome the
challenges that he needed to in order to do it and at the end of
the day, he is Victorious and he and a little twist sort of
becomes the monster for someone else which is sort of fun.
So that's why I picked that one. It's a great example.
I definitely when I was looking at my mouth list, I was like,
yeah, that'd be a good one, but I didn't like that, so I didn't
bring it up. It shows don't like it here.
So yes, I do. I yeah, I've chose Pete doesn't
like in here too. So maybe I'll have shows
pictures of shows that you guys like it.
I hate. So yeah, there we go.
Perfect. Perfect.
All right, people. Why don't you give us your
second? Okay.
So this one is what you guys played Sports and so I was
hoping you can relate to this. That you have this one rival
where it doesn't matter like how maybe it does matter, but like
if you beat that one, team that you Like this season was worth
it type of thing where like if for Pat, if the socks like sweep
the Yankees, but they don't make the playoffs.
You still sweep the Yankees type of thing.
It's a w, yes, so I guess, I mean, Boston Sports, we don't
look at things that way, but maybe like a pathetic place like
Minnesota. Yeah.
That's how you look. It's like, yeah, it's weirdest
make the playoffs or like draft someone.
First overall, who wasn't a bus. Whoa, if Edwards is great who
and come on, basketball. Okay, but it's sports-related.
It's season 3 of haiku. Curators Allah versus karsu know
where they set up shirt or Ozawa as this.
They are the the Goliath of the prefecture that in order to get
to Nationals. We have to beat them.
We set up like 35 episodes of their Ace being this just
Unstoppable monster this team just being so tall and just
overcoming that and then beating them and then being just so
happy. You to make it to Nationals.
Maybe I got the feeling we're like they didn't even care how
they did it Nationals. Like they beat she retires Allah
and to the to me like that was like they want like everything
else is just like extra and I it's my favorite Arc and Anime
history. I love it so much.
And that was my second example of overcoming the monster.
I like that. That's interesting.
Yeah, I can definitely relate. Like, there are times where it's
like, yeah, if we beat our Crosstown rival, then at least
we did that or whatever or they were the monster in the
situation. So, yeah, I can definitely see
that. That, that's a good example.
All right, my second example of over kind of monsters a little
bit more literal to go along with the theme.
I did tengen, toppa, Gurren lagaan.
So I had this as overcoming, I was thinking about 12.
It's like the second half is, like, where I kind of like moved
away from it, because I wasn't sure how the view, because it's
essentially like two different shows.
It it. Well, it is to some extent, but
they're still overcoming a month.
So, absolutely. So that's why I stay or like in
my notes. I wrote, they overcame multiple
antagonists throughout the show, basically every single.
And, you know, some people might argue.
Oh Rags to Riches or the quest. Maybe.
But I think that they first, they overcome getting out.
The, you know, the oppressiveness of their
underground literally living in caves.
Yeah. Yeah, let it like that.
Then they overcome the spiral King.
Then they realize. Holy shit.
He isn't the biggest evil and are he was doing this for a
reason and then they'll become that's, that's the no, he's not.
Yeah. So like he's there at Agnes at
the time. But yeah, it's at the end of the
day. He was trying to, he still isn't
at Agnes because he was oppressing so many.
I think he's not sure. Yeah, but but like, You know,
he's that morally gray antagonist.
I guess if you were like he's doing it for a good cause he's
doing it very poorly and immorally.
So yeah, I think Gurren lagaan is a great example of and the
reason I put this because it's shown in but it's good Shonen
unlike motion. And so, there you go.
That's why I wanted to throw it in the exact.
Yeah saying, haha. Yeah.
We just all hate shown in here, right?
Wink, wink. I just need to shorten the last
example. I know that's kind of my point,
is that Wait, no, he do watch Shana.
No, no way. It's not that bad mi.
Love you got for your third example.
Yeah. Sure.
So for my third one, I picked Neon Genesis Evangelion that one
I almost did. I knew someone else would.
So, you know, I would say especially for the first like 20
episodes of the anime. The conflict is between the Ava
pilots and the angels and how they are trying to save.
Of Tokyo, three from destruction.
And so, you know, I think it's very, you know, there's a
threat, the Angels they come down, people get an Ava's and
fight them to varying success, but they usually save the day
and, you know, so that's sort of that aspect of it.
There's obviously a little bit more Ava, but, you know, I think
that defeating the overcoming the monster bit is, is pretty
present and it so I agree. So yeah, that one was one of the
ones. I was like tragedy, like.
And then I was like, well, I don't actually know yet because
I haven't done End of Evangelion, so I decide not
throw it in there. But that is also like it's
literally monster-of-the-week almost, you know, yeah, angels
for a good portion of the show. And then of course, the monster
of, you know, feeling the pressure from society, pressure
from his father and Truffaut himself, whatever you want to
say, like, mental health issues. They're all monsters that he has
to overcome. So I think that's really good
answer. Yeah, Pete.
Then we have the way to go. Oh, yeah.
My last one. Just keep it really simple as
the Demon Slayer just like a basic Revenge story demons
killed his family. He wants to kill.
Demons has to go kill vampire. Michael Jackson plots, not as
deep as it's not that deep but it's just like kill the bad guy
and the world is saved. So, Demon Slayer, I like that
example. It's a fun one.
Yeah, and so, my final one is high school, the dead where it's
killing zombies, but it's more of the overall threat of the
zombies. If they have to like overcome,
you know, they have to survive in the post-apocalyptic Japan
and I just love the show, and I thought it would be fun to talk
about a little bit more. And it's a little double
entendre because it's like the thread, the zombies, and the
threat of a collapse of Eddie being the monster, but that also
they're actually monsters, you know, like they are zombies.
So so yeah, I guess that wraps up all of our overcoming the
monsters. So why don't we move on to our
next one Rags to Riches? So why don't you start us off
Mi? Sure Mi first rag to riches.
It's a show. We all hold equally dear and
that is violet, ever got just saying, so I actually, I know,
because I had to come up with some of Last minute because work
has been hectic. That Pete also has violent as a
rags-to-riches, I do. But you have a girl named Violet
and she is, she starts off sort of poor alone without any people
to like care for her. She has picked up on a boat.
She has to she like integrates herself into society in a
various different ways, but she has.
I think several setbacks. The majors death is one.
The reigniting of the war is won and after each of those, she's
able to build herself back up stronger, you know, by getting a
job and learning about love in the first instance and then like
learning to like live a life of peace and live for herself and
not be like the killing machine that she was like, you know,
built to be like, I guess figuratively on the second one.
So that was like, my take on that.
And for the sake of time and everything, pretty much agree
with Miles. I also have it as Rags to Riches
especially with the conclusion of the movie and how that wraps
up everything. I think it's just a good example
of that. Whole scenario of, you know,
first time we see here, chronologically.
She's in literal racks. So yes, yes.
Yes, so, I obviously yeah. My one of my favorite shows to I
had Violet on the list, but I disagree with displacement,
actually, I have In a later category so we can talk about
it. Then.
That's very interesting. Now that you've both, had it
here. Hmm.
All right. What have you got Pete for your
first while use your said, Rags to Riches?
I also have mad at so. So I guess I'll go next.
Then to get another one in, for me.
I had Tokyo Godfather's as one of our rational, just or great
one. Yeah, thank you.
So, the reason why I wrote on pipe so greatly.
Yeah. And the reason I have it is
because they not only do they They are they in rags, are there
poor there, whatever you want to say, but then they also
experience they get rich and not only monetary amounts like they
find money, they get they get wealth, but then they also get
rich in family and like other emotions or support, whatever
you want to say, to get really cheesy and like romantic with
it, you know, I mean, like, so that's why I put them in there
because I think, I think it fits.
I think they. Yeah, they go.
They go from being, Emotion, emotionally drained to
emotionally like full and Rich. So, that's sort of my thought on
Violet is, well, you know, she starts off poor and her ability
to like understand people. She learns how to empathize
better, but there are setbacks, but in the end, she's able to
overcome the new challenges and like become a complete person,
which she really wasn't at the start of it, you know.
Yeah. I can't wait to change your mind
later. Sure.
Yeah, because I can, I agree. This is that was my thought
process for a while to and then I thought about it more and I
was like, maybe I mean my actual thought process is violet, never
learns anything but I'm going off of what I view is intended.
Um, so I think she learned something but, yeah.
All right. Well, why don't you do your
second one, then you jerk. Sorry, Rhett, you s rag to
riches to rags to riches. Is a show that we actually all
do very much like, and I'm going with zombie lands.
That's my second one. I know another one that I have
on the list, but I was like, there's no way he's asleep
Zombieland. So yeah, so my second one is
Zombieland Saga. These.
These girls are all, you know, they'll little low point, they
are actually dead. They don't feel like their life
has meaning. They are able to, despite the
the slight downside of being an actual corpse.
Find fulfillment in their life through.
Oh my God, what's their group game for prom shoe, goes on
shoe. I was calling your front front,
you Franz shoo shoo. But then there, you know, there
are setbacks that make them question themselves in their
worth in what they're doing again, like, you know with the
whole beginning plot of season two when they like sell like
seven tickets out of like a multi hundred thousand person
Stadium Interesting because he's into could be like defeating the
monster kind of with like, trying to like with that stadium
and stuff if you wanted to do that, but and they're able to
like overcome that and like find like self-worth and value
through the, you know, their their teammates and themselves
and all of that. So that's that's why I picked
that there. That's interesting.
I see you again. I have them later on in because
I think if I do think that this is where I would put them, If I
were to not put them in the category that put in, but you
might have sold me on it. Actually.
I might have to change my answer but things could be both.
Don't worry. Yeah, they're not supposed to be
according this guy, but they are.
This guy. Put Lord of the Rings in all
seven. So it's okay.
It's that's very good. It's yes, it's like three huge
books. Yes.
There's a lot going on. It's pretty epic.
So yeah, there you go. I think you could also put
Odyssey, The Odyssey and The Iliad in a lot.
I like the Epic of Gilgamesh. She could put it in so many
ideas. Yeah, almost like they're also
really long pieces of media ice up here.
You got your second one. Well, sorry Bo Mi is obviously
here. This is a steal my screen time.
But um, so for a few of these examples, I tried to get a
little bit more creative and not just taking the literal term for
like when they say wealth. I think a lot of people think of
like money but like move just other forms of Well, so I try to
be creative and then in rags to riches, it's like loses it all
and then gains it back. Yep.
I was like thinking of like literally like losing life and
then getting it back and then finding your wealth in yourself
and stuff like that. So I Zombieland, I thought sake.
Let's talk. It was like I could see being in
like other categories but like I thought I was like a fun
interpretation of Greg's great like rebirth.
I could see comedy even like There's a lot of quest like
there's there's a lot of stuff you could get it.
Yeah, I think Rags to Riches Quest and voyage and return
often overlap a lot in some you can try to make them overlap.
At least. I definitely think that that's a
fair way to put it. I just ask that Miles.
Doesn't steal my third one so I could talk.
Mmm. Okay.
Well, you know, what's your third one?
We'll find out soon. I don't think you've seen this
show, so I think we're good. Okay, so my second one.
Yeah, I I put Cowboy Bebop because they are Rags to Riches.
Both is not only a, not only, is it a common gag in the show?
Like it's a joke that they're poor or that they have, you
know, they're always trying to get rich and then they get money
and then they get them, the debtor comes and then they're
poor again, but it actually is like the theme that I think
follows Spike Jet and Faye with Spike being rich.
Like Pete was saying and in a non-monetary term, he had a wife
or he had the woman he Of did you have like a full life and he
got taken away from him? Same thing with jet had a career
had had meaning to his life. And then he now we searching for
it on the Bebop. And then Faye had family had all
these different, and actual monetary wealth before.
Then the the accident that had her eye what was achieved at
Frozen or something cryogenically, and then he'll
there's something like 70 years later.
We're not of her family, still exists.
She knows no one like that kind of.
So, I thought that this was a good example.
Apple of Rags to Riches with it being like not a literal
rags-to-riches. Although, again.
It is literal Rags to Riches that happens throughout the show
where it's played off as a gag, but I think it fits along with
your themes. Well, as a true anime fan, of
course, I know what you're talking about since I am.
Yeah, as you know, Baby, Bop, so yes, I agree with that
statement, bad. Yes.
Of course. I have you seen it - I do.
I am not, you know. Oh my God, my co-hosts.
Whatever. Sorry.
Okay, my pit is I don't watch anime.
I have had students. Yeah.
You have time for Great
Expectations. But yeah, like four other made
me read it. I know I'm sure.
After I found out years later that he just did it as a joke.
He's never read it. He thought it was hilarious to
make me read Great Expectations and it's kind of funny in
retrospect. I was like, this is truly a
tragedy. It's tough.
So quite funny. There You Go.
Miles was your third shows and peace third show obviously as
well. Sure.
Yeah. So my third show is so maidens
in your Savage season. You see that show?
Dude, I just said that to try to guess your third one.
Oh, okay. I was like what you see that
show surprise to us. Like no way.
I actually it's like I mean, it's not like high enough on the
to watch risk that is happening anytime soon, but it's high
enough. It'll literally happened.
All right. Um, my third one is Neon Genesis
Evangelion, dude, that was so so I approached this.
In the way of like shinji's character and you know, I guess
not, none of us actually ended up doing like actual monetary
wealth or, at least we haven't yet.
I guess you kind of did with Tokyo Godfather's, but the
actual wealth comes like very Split Second at the end.
But so Shinji starts off, you know, very little self-worth
doesn't know what he's doing over the course of the series,
he builds up. The self-confidence though.
It's not necessarily well-earned or well fortified.
So this is in the book. The author talks quite a bit
about how I can like Aladdin. You get the thing you want, but
it's not always, like, the way that you were supposed to gain
it in. That comes back to set the set
back. So Shinji need self-worth, but
he looks for approval and other people.
By the way that he Pilots the Ava to gain this, so he gains it
through being, I guess, you know, the best Ava pilot of the
bunch. He does a great job, his father
at various points seems to like Show some Worth to him.
He tries to get value from that, from the Sato through, Oscar,
through different relationships. He has through a series of
tragedies in the show because boy are there.
Many, that all comes crashing down.
He loses pretty much all of us self-confidence confidence.
But at the end in, I guess I won't get too into detail
because End of Evangelion. I don't want to spoil too much
of that for Pat, but, you know some stuff happens and changes.
He is able to make the hard decisions he needs to and game
that self-confidence and self-worth the hard way and for
for himself and not through other people.
So he like corrects the source of it and he's able to
re-establish himself in a position where he has gained the
thing that he was trying to, you know, he's rich now in like sell
for so that was my take on that. I like it.
I do too Pizza. That wasn't your third.
That was not my third one. And right.
Let's hear it though. I don't speak.
My third one is like essentially like literally losing
everything. I would, dr.
Stone KRON. You get Frozen in time for like
a hundred thousand years just to wake up.
And essentially start from scratch and become like this
master scientist in. The world and overcome like the
different things that happen throughout the story.
I just thought it was like a literal definition of like
literally losing everything and acquiring as much as you like
physically can back because he's limited as being a human with no
technology, even though as the story continues, he gets more
and more of it but he can't like use the internet because it
doesn't exist stuff like that. So I thought it was a it's a
really fun story of like, literally starting from zero and
go. In trying to get as close to the
top as you can. Like that, that's it.
That's a really good example. Yeah, that like just sitting in
here now. I can't really think of anything
else. It would fit that well into,
like I guess Quest a little bit less because he technically
wants to go to the Moon. Yeah, and also probably to
overcoming the model. Ordering the monster have like
whatever. Like now only there's a bad
house. Yeah.
What. The Earth the Primitive Earth is
the is the monster to, right? Exactly.
Yeah. That's a really good one Pi like
that. Yeah, so my final Rags to
Riches. I guess we.
Didn't do literal wealth that much.
Yeah, you're right. I did darling in the Franks
because I feel like most specifically, you know, there's
that story in the in the show where it talks about the red
giant and the Blue Giant and how like, the two of them were
friends or whatever. And then the red giant decide is
like, oh I want to be friends with humans, but they don't
trust me or they don't like me. So what he does.
It what the blue giant says is he like?
Oh, I can help you out. Don't worry.
And he goes, And like pretends to scare or terrorize the
humans. And then the red giant comes
along and like scares them off or whatever.
Which, by the way, this is an old Japanese.
Yeah, that's told in something else.
Is that it is told in Chicago Yuri, is that the show?
I'm pretty sure it is insurance carrier.
I can't remember 2010, but it might be.
It's, it is, it's told very often, an anime because it's an
old Japanese like, proverb, or whatever you want to call it.
But yes, and of course, the Giant like runs away and the red
giants like a hero and he has the wealth of friendship and
appreciation from the villagers. But then when he goes back home
to see where the blue giant is, he's like, where do you go?
And then the blue giants gone forever.
So he loses the blue giant as is friend, his dearest friend in
the process of gaining everything else.
So again, I am a that is used as like the main like theme I guess
if Darlene the Franks to Next thing.
I know they attempt to use it as a main theme.
Yeah, it's nice out. Think they do it that.
Well, but it is used to know when talking about 02 and oh
man. What is the protagonist here?
And there's literally hero it is here.
You're right. Yeah.
So there you go. So it's the two of them.
It's so I just thought that was a fun example, maybe not the
best example in the in terms of like actually doing it well, but
I think that they, at least attempted it.
I guess. Just because I like how close
they are, looking the Franks and Gurren lagaan is That I would
probably put it more towards overcoming the monster because
like the end goal of darling of the Franks.
There is like a site. There's like a light at the end
of the tunnel type of thing. I suppose though.
The reason why I put it here is because rather than like saving
the world, I guess the what hero and zero to end up doing is they
decide to Like help each other or do do it for each other
rather than do it necessarily for to save the world or to
overcome them on, so they do it because they think they do bulk
spirits. Well, it's a bit of both but
like I think I think. Yeah, I guess like them doing it
for each other. Therefore, Saves the World type
of thing, right? So yeah, it's number two but
like, I guess just happens by proxy, but I get it, I get it.
And of course, like the flash shot of the, the show is like,
the two of them like reuniting a big rig.
Coordinated as shit. Like, yeah, the the endings
terrible. Well, I don't think they're
being cry. I think that the idea is that
they are kindred spirits, but whatever.
Um, that's beside the point we can talk about during the things
that sound. So let's move on to the quest
miles. What do you have is your number
one? Sure.
My first one is a place further than the universe, bro.
Come on. What you actually have.
That one. So, of course, I do this again,
I have it, but I have it in a different key.
So the reason I didn't put it in voyage and return, which is
another place that I feel like it could fit is because I felt
like the main goal was getting to Antarctica and being able to
experience and Arctica to prove to yourself that like, you were
capable of overcoming this goal, this Quest this obstacle.
So like, you know, since the goal was like getting there and
I did read this. The quest does say like getting
to a certain And location can be the quest as opposed to like
that. That's sort of like why I went
with that because like the stated goal is to get to
Antarctica for the main girl whose name.
I forget. He hadn't just that's two girls
is like that's their main thing. Like, oh, yeah.
Well then yeah and like so, you know not to get too into your
Voyager turn. I think there's definitely a
lens you can look at it when you like I view it as like her
relationship with her mother and like being able to like come
back being better, you know situated with that afterwards.
So I'll let you go more into that afterwards, but I was
approaching it from the angle of her and the other girls
perseverance and desire to accomplish a goal since they
all, you know, want to go for different reasons and they all
have their own goals that they're accomplishing with the
strip and, you know, being able to just get there was an
achievement. And that's why I went with the
place for than the universe. Yeah, I think that that's fair.
So once again Quest and Voyager return definitely do overlap a
lot. I think yeah.
I think I get into it later. I fought pretty hard about where
to put that one and I ultimately decided to do the quest because
it gave room for me to do a meme for Voyager.
So I do have an honorary mention for a couple of categories, so
don't feel bad if you on your last one while throat.
About like another you know, like quick shout out like oh
shout out, shout out, even Galleon for being a comedy, you
know, shopping every single category, that pizza.
You do you have anything bad for ya.
So I guess I'll probably bounce off Mi why I put it in the quest
and so Voyage in return. I think if it was like somebody,
like, only Mari who like went to Antarctica and came back that I
think I would put it in void return, but considering that we
had like four main characters. Also, Look out for different
reasons. I felt like the the destination
was the important part and that like Even though it's like
Deeks, The Experience. They learn along the way was
like a theme. I think it was just like, more
of like coming together and getting to the destination as
What mattered the most in that story and everything in between
was kind of like what built it up.
But that's cause I think it was just like one character.
I think I would avoid turn turn both since we had four main
characters for, for different reasons.
I went with the quest that's interesting because like,
because of the four, main characters in for different
reasons, that's why I put it in the Did you return?
So that's interesting to me, please?
Disagree. There you go.
Fuck, you Pete, sweet, but we'll get into that later.
Also, from my quest. I had Violet ever Garden because
and the main reason I put Violet inquest rather than Rags to
Riches is because the reason Violet goes on these voyages and
goes on these adventures and tries to find all these
different things is Not just try to find the major the the, the
quest, the goal that she set out with that is clearly defined in
the show as well or it's stated in the show is she wants to find
out what love means or what love is.
So that's why I labeled it as the quest because it is her
trying to answer this one question or find out, find this
one like treasure. So to speak of what is love.
Was it mean yada yada, so, and I especially think with the
ending, with the movie, I Really think that she finds out what
that answer is. And she and that's, that's why I
think it is the quest. But again, I definitely can
agree. Rags to Riches, fits very well
with Violet. No, I actually, I really like
the quest there. I think that's great.
I think parts of Mind. There we go.
Reason that I well. I mean, you know, I think my
outfits I think yours does fit better to be perfectly honest.
I think part of the reason I didn't Like violet ever Garden.
It didn't resonate with me as much is because I I took the
quest like I sort of thought the like the actual Quest, you know,
the real love along the way was like accepting loss and like
understanding like I thought that was like a necessary part
to her Quest and I just like, don't feel like that happened
and so. Like that's might be why I
didn't like initially think that for Violet, you know, just
because like the way that I engaged with it was like
slightly different than the way, you know you and Pete engaged
with it. For example, sure, but like you
you saying that? I think I mean really does.
I think that's the best fit for it.
Thank you. And my next one up is like very
similar to what Pat said. But like in a different sense.
I'm looking forward to talking about it.
Awesome. Well, hopefully mi mi is
probably ghost. Let's go.
I'm not going to steal it. You already use this one feet.
My second one is Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
All right. Um, so, you know, I think that
the quest aspect of this one is to me like the main thesis of
it. They're trying to get their
bodies back. That's what they're doing the
entire time and you know, there are different challenges.
They face there are different monsters.
They have to beat in order to get this Quest done.
Lots of sacrifices. They have to make but at the end
of the day, what they're trying to do and I think specifically
Ed is most trying to do is get his body like get his body back
and get his brother's body back so that they can, you know, live
normal lives, you know, and and ultimately they're able to
accomplish that. So that was my take on that
Pete. I know you're a big fan.
What are your thoughts? I mean, I I agree that I think
full Mel is one of those like Neon Genesis is where like you
can throw it into like six or seven of these.
And I think it makes sense, its massive, right?
I mean and there's like seven different arcs and like, you
know, individual arcs can have. Oh, yes because they're like
open-and-shut stories sometimes. Yeah.
So yeah. I have no qualms with that take.
I think it makes sense to, from my limited knowledge about the
show Pete. What's your second one?
So, what's your your big one? Yeah.
So the kinda, it's like the idea of like violet.
Like what Pat was saying was like searching.
For something more or like the idea of love.
This one is like searching for the idea of like forgiveness and
but also like, literally finding that person.
And I did a silent voice where the Redemption of Shia and him
trying to make up for the wrongs that he did and like, have that
forgiveness and lose that guilt that he has for being such a
terrible person as a younger. Person, but the quest was to
find Shell Co and he did and they're just like what became of
that as well as like kind of finding something at like
finding I do like a treasure at the end of the trailer.
So it's like that or something along those lines where it's
like the quest was to do this, but like they face like a bunch
of different obstacles through like rejection like not wanting
to see that person but then in the end like getting the
acceptance removing that guilt having a And just like, I think
that's just like resonated with me with the quest and his
journey throughout the entire movie.
I think that's fair. I can throw it in rags to riches
and maybe rebirth even as well with if you're looking at
specifically from the main, the MCS point of view.
But yeah, I definitely think the quest fits very well to where
he's yeah. He's looking for that.
I think rebirth does because I do think you see in the movie
there is like a specific scene where everything changes for
showya and I think rebirth because would also be like
another spot. I would throw it into cool.
Right, so my second one. I'll be quick with this one
because I think it's pretty simple.
I have golden comely, which is a show that I love and adore.
It's about. It's almost like a heist set in
sort of ancient and not ancient. I had, you know, set in like
nineteen, hundreds, Japan back when the russo-japanese war was
going on. But it very simply there are
searching for Treasure. They're dealing with problems
along the way other Temptations other things going on.
And so, yeah, they're just, they're going for a hidden
treasure and I know it's like one piece, but I actually like
it is the best way to describe go and Community.
I feel like almost, you know, like they're they're endlessly
searching and they're on to their fourth season soon, so I
can't wait for that. But yeah, so what have you got
for your third one? Mi?
Sure. I'll be pretty quick with it.
My third one is Neon Genesis. Even DeLeon and um, not sure if
you're picking up with the beer yet.
Maybe the cheat code. That is the so II took the
specifically From kendos perspective.
Right? So gendo has a quest to unite or
reunite with his wife. Yui, and he does like a whole
lot of things in order to get this done, including preserving
her soul in a giant human neck and Do you know turning the
entire world into Tang, you know in order to try to achieve this
goal? And he does achieve it for a
period of time before. It is forwarded by his useless
child. That he probably should have
loved a little bit more. Lots of characters in the show
have quests. Shinji has a quest to learn why
he wants to Pilot. The Ava Oscar has a quest to
like try to impress her father and stuff.
There's stuff in there. But I went with kendos, because
I talk about the other characters later.
Nice. I wonder what I wonder when.
Yeah. All right, Pete.
What have you got for your third one?
My last one is I think it's just really cutting simple, like
literally going on a quest to finding something.
I did made in Abyss. It's Rico, is looking for her
mom, in the abyss and almost dies, like seven times.
I wouldn't put it in voyage and return yet because they haven't
returned from the abyss yet. So I think once the story is
complete, then maybe it could fall into that category.
But for right now, the main focus is recall, trying to find
her mom and just begin cool with a rag.
And not a It's a question right now, but we'll find out if it'll
be a voyage in return or a tragedy.
Yeah, we'll find out what be a tragedy.
Hmm. She could get this, get stuck
down there. And then there you go.
That's what it is. I mean, I don't know how you
could write it. Where it isn't, what happens.
I guess, you know, I know again, we'll find out what elevator you
knew. This was here the entire time.
Yeah, the end. Yeah, that's how it works in
vain the best to where they can just take elevators without
consequence. You know, there's not any
specific scene that I can think of.
Of where, you know, certain someone?
Yeah, it's not at all. Yeah.
Yeah, nothing bad happens.
Yeah, so mine is a very serious one.
A very, very deep meaning one, as well.
For question. Number three, late that camp.
I was that guy. Okay.
I was legit thinking about this. But I also kind of want to put
it in rags to riches because they're just broke high school
kids. Yeah, so their goal, they are on
a quest to go camping and 22 Club activities and they do and
to yeah, and to just enjoy nature and Mount Fuji Saint.
And do they do that? Yes, they do.
They achieve their Quest. So that is the best way to put
it. I do.
I thought that one fit extremely well because it's super simple
and fun and I love laid-back Camp.
So yeah, there you go. All right.
Let's move on to Voyager return. Halfway there, boys.
We're Trucking away. I like this.
So, yeah, boys. Return models.
What do you got for? Number one?
Sure. My first one is Sword, Art
Online. Specifically, the, the first
season, you know, Kirito takes what he thinks is going to be
quite the short virgin Voyage, you know, maybe, initially into
The game and it ends up being a longer one, but along the way,
he learned some valuable things about himself and others, and
also several thousand people died.
But when he returns, he's a different person, right?
He's changed. He's learned, you know, to be a
little more caring and stuff. So I think that, you know, he
learned something on his trip. He's able to open up a little
bit. You can see, in subsequent
Seasons, he You to work through some of the trauma that happens,
but he does get there in. Like that's its own thing, that
I think there's a whole Voyage in return, you could talk about
and Gun Gale, about his trip in like learning to get past PTSD
and everything like that. Sword Art.
Online, of course, is the finest work of art and no one can say
otherwise. And so I think it belongs here.
I agree. I couldn't find a way to put it
into my into my 7 actually. I didn't really know how to so
I'm glad you did. I definitely agree though, that
Voyager return makes a lot of sense.
I think you could argue rebirth as well with him, almost,
literally being reborn as a new person into the, the real world.
After, you know, going through everything.
I did multiple times in different.
Worlds are in like the debt digital worlds, whatever you
want to say, but I like the legend return a lot.
That's really good. Why I put it Pete.
What do you got? So for my first one, what I
thought avoid return, my mind went straight to e Sakai and I
went to the absolute Masterpiece.
That is Sword Art online. And I mean, honestly, I'm just
literally just try to think of like a nice.
Acai. Were they legit like come back?
It doesn't have to be some of those.
Yeah, it's like I think it and made the only one I could.
Like, really think of is Sword Art.
So I was sort of. I want to do grimgar, but I
don't know what happened to group car after season one.
So, I'm not like what Mi said? They learn things while they're
in this world. Come back, real life stuff
happens. I'm not going, I'm not the
biggest Sao guys, so I don't have a whole lot to say, but I
just thought I'd say he'll fit the bill like pretty like
spot-on. Terms of anime.
This is borderline, impressive Pete, great minds.
Think alike. Maybe yeah, they do.
Speaking of great minds thinking alike.
I think place for the diverse place a place for the new
universe is a voyager return, specifically, because I think
that the Quest for some of them are for most of them wasn't just
to get to Antarctica. And I think that is so like
people saying earlier, because there's four of them.
That's, like, with different things.
That's why it's the quest to get.
Get to the spot. I for me it was the exact
opposite logic where they have four different goals.
One of them wants to like learn to, it wants to just do commit
to something and do it. The other wants to prove to
herself that she's capable of doing things.
The other has to do it because of who are wants to make
friends, right? That's what the the influencer
girl wants to do is like make real friends.
And then the last one obviously wants to go there to find out
what happened to her mother for good and Get closure.
So I think that all four of those and then obviously you've
returned from Antarctica and then get back to their lives or
live their lives. So that's why I looked at, as a
voyage in return, rather than just a quest.
I could absolutely see that. Yeah.
That was my logic behind at least but I again, questioned
Voyager return a very similar. Yeah.
It's sort of So, so very similar.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I'm not quite avoid
returning the book yet. So I'm interested to see how he
like, differentiates it. But like isn't the Odyssey like
just like the quest part of The Return part of The Iliad.
Yes. Sort of.
So, yeah, I there's more. I'm not, you know, I yeah,
that's like kind of like that though, right?
Because he's already out, and about when The Iliad starts, and
then he has to come back to help because like, everyone's trying
to bang his wife. And also, there are some other
issues with, like, a couple other issues.
You know, I think there's like a cyclops or something.
I don't know. Um, there might be whatever the
point I'm not In your best that I appreciate that.
Um, but yeah, like so I'm interested to see how that gets
like differentiate. I feel like a voyage in return,
just features. So many quests in it, like most
of the time that it's interesting, too.
I'm excited to get like a academics.
Take on. Yeah.
How these differentiate. Yeah, like for me.
I think the main thing for me is that like they retire, they were
turned and they have changed as a person because like, you know,
Could argue for Quest. So like violet, let's say she's
questioning if I'm what love means but she doesn't it's not
necessarily about love what finding out what love means.
And then her changing it's more about her just objectively
because like a square rectangle thing like yeah in my head voice
and return is like usually Quest but not all quests are a voyage
and a return, you know, but You know, I don't know.
I'm a chemist. I took like two years of
language classes and college. You can't even read.
Yeah, he's doing really well. So far for someone who can't
read. It's been quite impressive.
I got great isn't what can I say?
He just plagiarized from miles. There you go.
So what's your second one? I'm speaking this weekend.
Um, so I'm stretching the return one on this but this is One of
our favorite anime as a podcast was like a battle for at.
Let's go. So I've picked Twilight.
Yeah, I love that. so, Bella gets brought into like this,
very strange World of Vampires and From her like normal mundane
life in Forks, Washington, and there's actually not anything
else. You can have unfortunate
Washington. I've, you know, it's quite
boring. But, you know, there are then
like, you know, she delves into this world of vampires and
werewolves and stuff and at the end, even though she's still
part of the vampire world, the hostilities and stuff of that
ecosystem. Have have calmed down a bit and
she's able to live a peaceful life with her emotionally,
abusive husband, Edward Cullen, so they can be codependent
together. And so that was my take
similarly for an anime. I also thought about Rosario to
vampire where, you know, our protagonist is brought into a
Strange Land filled with monsters in through that he is
able to learn to stand up for himself to be Be more outgoing
and brave and, you know, he does occasionally, go back home and
you can see his parents, see a difference in him.
And so, that was my thought. They're going with to
vampire-related anime Twilight and Rosario to vampire.
Very Duo Pete, was you got this. So, the first sentence of
Voyager return is the protagonist goes to a Strange
Land, but what if the Strange Land came to the protagonist?
And that's what I was doing a little twist on this Voyage
return. I'm going with fruits basket and
it's Tohru discovering that the Zodiac characters are actually
like real and her coming to terms that Supernatural things
exist along with her like problems and just dealing with
her like losing her mother being homeless, that type of stuff
while also the whole cast of Of fruits basket having their own
insecurities as their own problems with, like being
inferior, with their family and serving like one specific
purpose. Like you did the cat, you have
to do this and just like overcoming that, and it just
like their Voyage together and then just at the end like the
return where they break the curse, Toros able to find
happiness again after losing her.
Mom just like finding love within the World, I guess.
Stuff like that. So, that's, I thought Fruits
Basket would be. Like, a fun.
Fun. Twist to voyage and return.
Yeah, it's a good twist. I like that.
That is fun. I think it fits too because it
is a bit of a there. They go.
On an emotional Voyage to try and like like you said overcome
the difficulties that they should overcome the monster,
fuck its own problems and temptations, and it's just like
them as like a because all the zodiacs are linked together.
So like they're all in it together, sort of trying to
break the curse. Then taro's sort of just like
the captain of the ship. Right?
I like that. So you captain of The Iliad
almost, you know, hmm. Alright, alright, so my second
one, I had ears, uq the world in colors, which is a show from
like three or four years ago where there's a girl in like
2070 Japan. Where magic is like Normal or
whatever you want to say. Like it's a is a regular thing
that you can just buy from a store.
You can buy like a bottle of magic or Stardust whatever you
want to call it. And basically she can't see
color. She's like, colorblind, whatever
that not know, or she loses the ability to see color and she
voyages back to the past to spend time with her grandmother,
who was an adolescent at that time learning to be like a witch
or learning to be a magician. If you want to call it, and
basically, she goes back in time, still can't see color, but
then she slowly learns, she meets someone who becomes the
light of her life and he helps her see things clearly, again
before she then returns to the present and lives out her life
and current time. And, you know, I thought that
was a good one for origin, return partly because it is, she
does go back and then, come come back to her own time.
But then also, she does grow as a person.
She experiences like a complete, emotional change and outlook on
life. And then she also still does
return to him, you know, like one of the last shots of the
show is her visiting. You could only assume the guys
grave because, you know, it's 70 years.
So the guy, you know, the 18 year old that she met is
probably dead at that point or whatever, you know, like it it's
implied that he passed away and she returns as a different
person to the to the Future, which is a good.
I thought that that was a fun one.
I was wondering what are you Your wit show and I'll I'll get
there. Don't worry.
It's not it. What were they called?
Witches in the show? I can't, I never saw so well,
you didn't watch this 10. So this was before you were a
really big seasonal. Guy knows it was.
I just did it. I heard, I heard these things
about it. So I didn't watch it was.
All right. Um, I think you would like it
but it was very Niche sites. Yeah, it is.
It's not that sad. I don't think it's that said,
it's like a happy sad. All right, but yeah, so Mom,
Suppose you have for your third one, hurrah, for my third one.
I have Neon Genesis Evangelion. No, holy shit.
So this one, I looked at shinji's Voyage into like the
nerve ecosystem. So at the beginning, he's picked
up. He's brought into this land that
he really doesn't know anything about.
It's an underground base. He's been forced to fight and
robots and stuff. And by the end of all of it, the
end of the show at the end. Of the movie.
This stuff is gone. So like he like is out of this
and he is able to live a normal life.
He completes his voyage in Saves the World by getting rid of
instrumentality and we'll talk more about instrumentality
later. But wait, is there anymore
really? Oh man.
No way more even Galleon Pete. What?
Have you got for your third one? I'll just cheating, by the way.
Yeah, obviously it's miles being miles, who knows.
It is. This was fun.
I thought it was a fun technique of like, it is fun.
It is funny. Come kind of in the same realm
of fruit basket, but it's were the Strange Land is unknown to
those who are involved in the story.
I went with the promise, Never Land, you have this world where
they're orphans. They think they'll be adopted,
but It's out there just like there to be consumed for food
for these monsters. And then you see, like Emma Rae
and Norman, and the whole gang escaped and they go to the
world. They learn skills through, you
know, Bond sirs who don't agree with the practices.
They learn, they find like weapons that they're able to
fight back with and then they return back to like save all of
the other orphanages. So to me that was like a pretty
cut paste of voyage return. Then they returned to the maybe
and then season 3 returned with a slide show of season 3.
Yeah, and they return to the real world through, you know the
real at a real human world because apparently that's still
exists in there. Whatever.
God that was that is bad at dating as bad as everyone says,
yeah. It's like wait.
What did you give it was your writing?
Well, I still gave it like a seven.
I think we can predict know. No, no to my anime list we go.
Let's look. Well.
I'll look and you do your third. No, wait, I give it.
I pretty sure I gave it a 7 but even then that was a really high
score for it. Compared to other people.
All right. Yeah, I'll do my third.
My thirds really simple, easy peasy.
Here is where I get into my which wandering, which journey
of Elena. I want to talk about it.
There it is. There It Is.
Well, it starts with the young girl Elena, who wants to be a
witch. She wants to do all these things
because she's been reading a book called The Journey.
And Nike which was about all these different adventures and
places that the that Nike had gone to in her life.
And then written a book about she has to then learn how to be
a witch. Her parents are very like
hesitant and like want to make sure she wants to do it before
she commits to traveling and doing all these things.
And yeah, she travels and learns on her journey of that all these
different places in the world about all these different towns,
and People along the way. Of course, it's revealed that it
was her mother. That was Nike all along.
You know, that or was the person in that the book is based off
of. But, yeah, so that's the, the
Journey of the voyage that she goes on and she returns home
with all of her different knowledge.
And again, experiences, I guess as a different person because
she starts out kind of bratty, kind of snobby, you know, thinks
very highly of herself. And then she gets Welcome to the
Real World very quickly and and learns to temper that never
completely though, which is what I think is fun about it.
But yeah, so let's move on to Comedy.
Now, I gave it an eight by the way.
No way. Yeah.
I posted in the chat. I still don't think it's bad as
ever. I really do I buy.
That's been always been my stance because like, as
objectively without being a source reader.
I thought it was pretty, okay, her pretty good.
Maybe not. Okay, pretty good.
That was my initial reaction to watching.
It's all good, baby. Oh, yeah.
No, it's okay to like things I guess now.
It's not know. Um, all right, let's do comedy.
Speaking of things. We like comedy miles.
What have you got? Sure.
My first comedy is the quintessential quintuplets.
So I guess I'm like cheating a bit because I read the entire
Maga. So I know that there's nothing.
I could just be anime. It does.
A horrible tragic ending at the end but can't believe they all
die. It's Yeah, yes.
With his sister. It's so tragic.
Yeah, it's inverse of Four Weddings and a funeral.
It's for funerals and a wedding. One of them has to kill the
other four to be beloved. But, um, so, you know, it's a
series of like some dramatic events.
There's like things to overcome about, like, figuring yourself
out in like, you know, food Stroh has to think about, you
know, who he wants to be with and what all the different and
girls mean to him. But I picked this one
specifically because it like Harkins a bit to like a
Shakespearean comedy where it ends with a wedding.
Yeah. Yeah.
So like, you know it fits this but then it's also got your like
Midsummer Night Dream, you know, sort of deal where you end with
with a wedding because that's how I believe all of
Shakespeare's comedies and did. So that's why I went with this.
I mean, you know, Most of the romantic comedy, sort of things
are going to fit here there because you generally get Happy
Happy Endings. And there's like, confusion, but
it all gets sorted out at the end and everyone's happy.
So, yeah. Yes, of Pete.
What have you got for comedy? Number one?
I'll see if I can steal. One of Mi is maybe it's a movie
that he recently forced me into watching.
And as the night is short, walk on girl.
And I, it's just like a great telling of a A college girl
getting drunk and just doing wild Shenanigans, throughout the
night. And just whatever comes of the
story. Whatever happens in the day,
whatever happens in the night. She just goes along with it.
There's like an underlying romance with the Senpai, where
the the kind of help he has like this theory of running into her
eyes, like accident and quotations.
What's a hundred percent of purpose to have this like red
string of fate that they're meant to be together because
they He's run into each other even though he's like doing it
on purpose and try to get that in her head and her just living
out having a great night out having fun with her friends,
having fun with the random shenanigans that she has just
been like drunk and being in college.
It was just like a great fun show.
It was little over the top, but in the end, really
light-hearted. Really fun comedy.
And you get the conclusion to the romance and the date at the
end of the movie, so, I thought that was my, that was my number
one pick. That's fun to go along with,
what everyone else has done so far.
I kind of just took for the first one.
At least. I took my favorite romance or
the my favorite romance. I thought fit the definition of
comedy in this. In this definition that was
golden time because I think that not only is it comedic in
nature? And obviously, it's Rome.
It's a romance show. It's about these two college
students fall. Love.
But it also does have a lot of confusion and dramatic events
that happen near the end of the show that have to do with the
character having Amnesia having a second personality or you
know, and an internal conflict over whether he is making the
right decision by dating, this girl, the girl that he chooses
over whatever else, but then at the end of the day they result
in they triumph over the circumstances and they're
together and then and like Does it end with a literal wedding?
But it essentially implies that it ends of the wedding.
So, that's why I liked about gold time.
And I think that it's comedy very well.
So, what have you got for? Number two miles?
He did not steal one of mine. Yeah, I'm sure Chuck's, yeah.
Sorry. I for number two with, with
Angel Beats. And so I picked this one for a
few reasons, one. Because I thought it would be a
good example to like, highlight. Why?
Like tragic backstory. Doesn't equal like tragedy.
Yeah, and that you can still have like sadness and stuff in
like a comedy when using the phrase this way.
So, you know, an angel Beats. There's a series of characters
there in the afterlife and they're trying to, you know, I
guess like fight against what they need to do to like move on
and be fulfilled, but they End up being able to work together
and you know, overcome the challenges that are needed to
like have happy endings for everyone and everyone at the end
is able to like move on from the afterlife, being a fulfilled
person and you know happy with the experience.
They had the whole point of the place they go is to bring joy to
children, who died, too early. Who had tough lives, right?
So, You get that sort of. Like single clarifying happy
event at the end when they graduate.
And though it's like sad, it's one of those like happy sad
things, right? They're sad because they need to
leave this place but much like, you know, graduating or anything
like that. You're It's a joyous event
overall. And so I picked it because I
thought it did a good job of contrasting.
Maybe like the normal view that we think of when we like the
popular term of comedy and how our author uses the term comedy,
that being said, that show kind of sucked.
Yeah, so that's a great example though.
It is a I think the way you put it is great.
I like that. Similarly.
I guess I have one to go along with that.
Later, Pete. What have you got for?
Number? Two.
Number two, when I was looking at, like the plot of our story,
the plot, the definition of Comedy is like having like this
central idea and overcoming it as well while being kind of like
light-hearted. And I went with a movie that
came out this year, called Josie, the tiger, and the fish,
which is about a paralyzed, girl, and coming to terms with
her disability. the same time, finding feelings for somebody in
the for the first time in her acceptance of It's like hard
because like she's gonna have like difficulties throughout her
entire life being paralyzed and not wanting this person that
she's attracted to have to, like, go through that.
But also coming to terms was that's what she wants.
And him also like realizing the difficulties through that, but
it is mostly like a light-hearted comedy and I think
they have a great like Dynamic and them coming together and
realizing like, hey, whatever challenges, like happens through
life, like we'll do it together and I thought that was like a
really good example of like the comedy, why?
I also like, having fun with each other and have having fun
through the adversities that they, that they share.
So, that's why I went with. I like that.
I think that makes sense again, like, we're finding out a lot of
rom-coms fit into this. Yeah, as well, right?
Yeah. So, number two, for me.
I put Zombieland Saga as a number two here for me because I
think that I think the reason I put it in here, although you
guys have really good job talking about it.
And I believe it was Rags to Riches.
What I put in here because I viewed it as them that no matter
what adversity. They faced.
They still were going to overcome it together and they
were going to, they have moments of confusion and conflict.
But at the end of the day, it always does get sorted out.
They always do come to some resolution, and it's also a
comedy. At the end of the day.
It's a Fun of Idols. It's making jokes about idle
culture. It's having fun characters that
are fun, fun in having their interactions played for jokes
and played for B. So that's why I put it in
comedy. Although I again, I, I
definitely can see now that it might fit better in rags to
riches. But yeah, Mi.
What's your third comedy? And well, I guess I don't need
to ask you but so why is Neon? Genesis Evangelion a comedy so I
you know I couldn't fit, Neon Genesis Evangelion in the
comedy. Unfortunately, it's not very
light-hearted. So I went with weights, you're
talking really builds of Evangelion for this.
Um, and So, you know, as we all are aware, the Rebuild of
Evangelion are, of course, a reconstruction of Yvonne Neon
Genesis Evangelion. They are showing a more hopeful
way to do this. There's more Triumph.
Our characters are able to succeed, you know, so we're in
Neon Genesis Evangelion, characters failed, and lost to
their flaws. Our characters are Are able to
overcome them in this. I know that 3.1 are 33.0 plus
1.0 just came out so I'm not gonna get too into it.
But at the end we have this like singular moment of clarity.
We have a resolution to the issue and we have a happily ever
after sort of moment, you know, while there while the story
isn't free, from any setbacks. It is mostly a story of being
able to overcome trauma and not be Controlled by it.
And there is a continuation of that throughout all of these.
As they, re-examine these characters in a more positive
light, and then the Eds and absolute Banger.
So that is why I picked the Rebuild of Evangelion for my
comedy. Nice.
You had me there. I was like, wow, he couldn't
noway just give up and not you had me for a split second Pete.
What's your third? One that has of the first half,
not gonna lie. I the last one I did not want to
do a rom-com, but I thought it was like three girls who all
have like, these silly problems trying to do a very simple task.
I won't keep your hands off eyes Oaken.
It's the problems are like their parents, the school and getting
money. It just to make an animated
short or whatever for those school.
Really light-hearted just like a good time.
You can maybe put this in like a quest or Voyager Eternal because
they are set out to like do this.
But I think it mostly just falls under like this.
Light-hearted. The goal is simple.
The problems are not super serious and overall.
They're just having like a good time being together and creating
what they love. Yeah.
I think that that's a good way to put it to similarly, to Pete.
My third one. I think you could also throw in
a couple different categories, but I think that that's that
happens with comedies, especially where It's hard to
just have a story that's comedy because you has to be something.
There has to be conflict, and the comedy isn't usually part of
the conflict. It's usually some sort of other
plot point. But for so, my third one was
Sarah's on my, where it's three guys or three boys that are all
dealing with their own issues that they have to overcome,
which they do through kappas and pulling things out of people's
butts and, you know, just a lot of other shenanigans that
happen. The show that are quite, it's a
very fun show. I would this would be a great
watch Club show. I think I agree.
I want to check it out. The old piece, slaps to the Opie
is a banger. So is the Ed Peggy's or just on
top as always with that stuff. So, yeah, I think it would be.
I think both would be very interesting.
There are, I think it fits comedy extremely well because it
at the end of the day, it is a comedic show in nature.
But yeah, so let's get into the the bread-and-butter.
This one's gonna be really, that's what I want to do.
Some tragic. Tragedies so mi man.
I think I know what one of yours might be for a tragedy.
But what's your, what's your first one?
Well, I'll start, I think it's the one that I'm most likely to
have overlap with Pete on. So I will start with it first.
I went with plate. Light magi Madoka.
Magica. I did not know that was like, my
honorable been, should I knew? I could not bring up.
I was like, that's Mi go ahead. So God.
So I think that there are specifically two characters we
can look at here. I think the most obvious
Obviously tragic character is the best character who is
streaming anime and it's Cupid because he just killed so many
times and it's so sad. No, it's seiken Miki.
So sayaka is sort of like Galleon to a fault.
She is like extremely Noble is unwilling to bend to the harsh
world around her and anyway, and as we know those things At do
not Bend break. So unlike the Pats defense in
the Red Zone, which bends, but never breaks sciatica.
Let's up a start, you know, just three and out three and out and
all of a sudden, there's an ATR bomb for a touchdown, and she
absolutely loses her fucking mind because she can't deal with
like the selfishness and everything in the world and the
harsh fights and stuff that she's supposed to deal with and
eventually Falls. Are becoming a witch and having
to be killed by her enemies /, potential lover, Kyoko.
So that was that, another example that I'm not exactly
sure of how like, I think it's tragic, but I'm not, you know,
the person does succeed Madoka because they do succeed succeed
in Madoka. Well, Homer at the end of
rebellion Homer has flaws. Wow, is that she really likes
friendship like to do a concerning amount?
Yeah, um, it's so much so that she's willing to destroy the
world for it and to encapsulate her friends into like a sort of
I don't know like fake environment where they can all
be friends together. At the end of rebellion.
It seems like she succeeds. However, she speak in Monica.
Doesn't really seem like she swayed, like she doesn't know
what's going on, but she hasn't changed as a person.
So Homer, his forced her into a situation, but she hasn't
succeeded in so far as changing her friends mind to Value their
friendship, more than Modica values.
Like, the betterment of the entire world and says that, you
know, in the future, I guess we're going to have to like
fight again. Monica doesn't know what that
means because her memories are gone.
So, in some ways like I guess that could be like, Homer has
refusal to give up that her insistence on.
This is going to create a cycle where she continuously has to
fight her friends and there's tragedy.
And there we do, have the sequel movie to the sequel, movie
coming out soon. So, you know, ruined, Madoka
forever if it's true. Yes.
To Can't wait for just an absolute unnecessary sequel.
Movie, that will I have faith, but that's, that's Monica
Mexico, and why I believe it's a tragedy.
Fair enough. I thought about it, but I was
like, well, they kind of succeed in the end or want to like, you
know, like like a little bit. But obviously specifically what
was sayaka because like Modica succeeds, right?
Like yeah, that's why I'm very unlike the main series isn't
Active because like at the end of the day, the power of
friendship wins, and then the movie like The Power of
friendship wins, like way too much.
So I think like the movie sort of like deconstructs that but I
think looking at sayaka story and she's like a protagonist.
So I'm okay doing this through the first like nine episodes or
so is pretty I mean, she's a tragic hero, right?
Like she's very like that. So yeah, I'm happy with with
that explanation and it's hard to find.
Anime, as I think we'll find. So it's extremely hard to find
tragedies and Anime. I think they are very far and
few between Pete. What have you got for your first
one? Yeah, I'ma go with probably my
most tragic character, just like anything.
It's from my favorite show, the Manga and Anime, whatever of all
time. That's berserk is specifically
Griffith. His downfall of him being so
overwhelmed by Pride that he loses the guts in a duel for his
freedom, that he just absolutely snaps.
And in response, causes the eclipse and the entire World is
engulfed by Apostles. So him having this flaw of just
having so much pride and being the best at everything and then
losing to guts and a what I want to duel is just like so tragic
for just not only him because he goes into utter despair.
He loses himself as a person. He does questionable actions
that I think a lot of people would disagree with all because
of his essentially World being Shattered by Being better than
him at one thing. And to me.
I just, I just loved how, how that's like portrayed throughout
the entire story. It's essentially was the rest of
Berserk, not just the golden age is the cause of Griffiths demise
and his tragic nature of being this prideful leader and not
coming to terms with. Everything else in the world
other than him being this God, essentially.
Yeah, I so again where you're cheating by only having it be
one character, but well, yeah there are but I think that is
the focal point of Berserk is yeah.
I mean, literally three, four fifths of the story is because
Griffith does this, and I think it's like the the focal point of
Berserk. Essentially, that's fair.
I can't speak much to it because I haven't read it yet or watched
it that much. I've watched a little bit. but
like my understanding Of the story.
It definitely is a very it's very tragic.
The story itself. And then also the it is his
fatal flaws. Like Griffiths is Griffiths like
flaws that he Can't admit defeat or can't deal with the feet and
it causes like you said, most of the things that happen to the
show. So yeah, so my first one that I
went with was quite I even in my notes.
I was like, oh, it's a bit of a stretch.
I put Fate/Zero. I was like, no, I completely
almost like you gotta tell you for sure.
All right, I threw it out as an option for Pete, when he was
trying to replace. He did a show.
Hmm. So I put fade 0, because most of
the time the characters that died and show both servants and
Masters, they both died from either their pride or their
values such as on a sabre being like a knight honorable night.
Same thing with the like the code of battle, whatever you
want to call it. Same thing with the spear guy
who isn't:, but I want to think he's good:.
But yeah, so that's the those, I thought that they again, like
it, it's a lot of it is really just put their pride, like you
said with, with Griffith in this case, like it's not necessarily
like many other fatal flaws. But I also think, you know, his
name's creates coup, right, the, the main guy pursues his his big
flaw is his like for the better good or for the, you know, like
and that gets obliterated by the by the Holy Grail or the Holy
Grail. He tries to obliterate that
mentality and show them how flawed it is and his teacher
obviously past dies in that. Like are you the one of the best
episodes and Anime, you know, because of that that flaw or
that mindset? So I think that's why it's
tragic because and the end of the day at least in Fate/Zero,
if you just look at it as an objective story or its own
thing, no one really wins. And no, but nobody wins.
Yeah, no one wins in the end. So that's why I was like able to
justify putting it on there because it is a It fits the
tragedy definition so well, even though a lot of it is also maybe
the quest or whatever you want to say that.
I'll but I thought it's a tragedy very well.
But yeah, so - what do you have for number two?
Yeah, so I am taking what I guess I consider to be the The
easiest one for anime and I'm just gonna go with Death Note.
I took it off when I had enough that I definitely know it.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, um, you know Light Yagami has a fatal flaw and like so
many tragic Heroes. His fatal flaw is his pride, you
know, sir, everyone except for Brutus whose fatal flaws is love
for Rome and So, you know, he he starts out, he gets the death
note and he attempts to make the world a better place and, you
know, kill criminals and stuff. But he is murdering people and
he starts sort of changing his view on like who he can kill and
it will kill people to keep himself safe.
Even if they're innocent all in order to like impose his view in
the world. And so He has a demonstrable
good effect on the world. However, at the end of the day
his pride gets him because he is so sure that he didn't make a
mistake that he didn't expect the way that he was caught.
Basically. He thought he had outsmarted
everyone and he didn't account for someone having ever, you
know, one-upped him in any way. He tossed that out of his
calculations and he is killed at the end.
So it's super easy there too, because he dies.
So, there you go and his soul consents into the void.
So that is I think a pretty I think like the most like
traditional tragic hero sort of thing in anime that I could
think of at least Yeah, I agree that that was definitely one of
the more dislike just cut and dry it fit the definition.
Really. Well, Pete.
What have you got for? Number two?
Okay, this one miles, you have to call, you have to come along
with me on this journey and it's one of those ones where I had a
hard time picking tragedy. So the protagonist in this
instance is society and I went with Psychopaths, and it's the
idea that society believes that this system that they're living
in the woods. I called the Sibyl system is
just so perfect and nothing is their world is perfect.
And then everything will be solved by the the Dominator, if
Hayes anything goes wrong. And then you see the system fail
and people start to understand what is happening.
It's like they're going through the like there's going through
life as life tells them to because they have to keep their
like levels at a certain level. They have to be happy or they'll
get whatever arrested and then their system just And you see
that with like makishima trying to change the world and society
as a whole, it's flies that it's just so it just thinks that
there's nothing can go wrong. My life is perfect.
And then when things do go wrong, they don't know how to
handle it. There's this scene where the
lady is being murdered in the street and the civilians are
just watching this lady, get killed because they think it's
right because their world is correct.
Why would there be something wrong with this situation?
That's happening? And so I guess that's kind of
like the the the far-off tragedy of the society and the world of
psychopaths it so that you know, they're tragic, flaws their
desire for comfort as makishima would say.
So, Did he did you finish Psycho-Pass?
No, I haven't but like I'm like 85 percent away, done.
Interesting. Well, I'm sure nothing happens
in those last five episodes. Just like even just like the
scene of like the girl getting killed in the middle of the
street. Yeah, you know, like any major
flaw to society thinking. Everything is perfect that I do
agree. It shows the flaw of the
society, which is the trust in the system.
They can't compute something going wrong.
They are. Oh, wow.
These crimes to happen because they are so.
Ingrained in the system, right? Like they trust it so implicitly
that when you can't trust it anymore, it's able to take
advantage of them. And that is I would say a tragic
flaw. So as long as nothing happens in
those last five episodes, Pete. Yep, you're absolutely correct.
I hope so, especially since Isles likes it so much.
There's no way. Nothing has something happens.
Yeah. I definitely hate things with
twists and stuff only ever proper endings.
Yeah. Yeah, so just to keep us moving
because we are approaching almost two hours of talking.
We're doing really well. We're getting there though.
For me, I had for my second tragedy.
White Album to where I know Pete's gonna laugh.
But, but, yeah, it's it is tragic used to these three
characters. The love triangle that forms
between them. None of them want to admit
what's going on or their flaws, their mistakes.
Their, their, their emotions to each Other and then it
eventually just continues to boil up until eventually, it
just explodes in the last couple scenes of the show.
And then of course, it happens throughout the extent.
The the shows only a prequel to The or prologue to the entire
story of continued mistakes and Poor decisions or whatever you
want to say in their lives. And yeah, I think it's tragic.
Pete thinks it's want to hear my thoughts on white elbow.
Go look up. Our secret say that episode.
I, yeah, I was pretty drunk. And I what about 25 minutes
about that show. Yeah.
About how much he hated it. I felt pretty much broke my
heart because I thought it was a thing.
It's like one of my favorites of that genre at least.
Yeah, so that's why I'm from to check it out.
Out. Can't wait till miles, does
eventually to fix our one? Gotta bring the time, the
rubber? Exactly.
But yeah, so Miles, what's your last track?
Well, I what is the yeah. Sure.
So my life's tragedy is, of course, Neon Genesis Evangelion
horse. Yeah, so I'm looking
specifically at Oscars character here and the Ark are I guess
like, tier 2 protagonist goes through.
So Oscar is a very prideful. Then she needs to be the best
she meets Shinji. She does not respect because she
thinks he's weak and timid and she doesn't think those are
admirable traits, but Shinji just keeps on being better than
her as being a, if a pilot, which makes her doubt herself,
which makes her spiral into a horrible like self-destructive
thing. And at the end of all of it, we
her in a bathtub and broken-down Shack.
Just emaciated and she's in a coma for like most of the
movies. So her own pride and stuff led
her to her to her like ultimate downfall.
So that's Oscar. And why she's tragic person fair
enough. All right, people about you.
Mine isn't Hunter Hunter. It's during the Chimera ant car.
And that is the Through The Eyes of My Room.
Who? Is Born the ant king and through
his entire series? He learns that he is the most
powerful person essentially, in the world, in his eyes.
He kills what? Anything he wants to get his own
kingdom, essentially? And then he finds a person who
is better than him at essentially, shogi and is, he's
just absolutely fascinated that somebody is better than him at
one thing kind of the opposite of Griffith and it's tragic
because then he learns like what humanity is that?
He's not who he thinks he is. Just he was born on a pedestal.
So he thinks that he is the best.
That's what everybody has told him through his existence and
then him losing his in shogi is his like wake up call and it's
tragic because like as he learns this as he falls in love with
this person and find out like what love is, it's too late.
He's dying. He's unable to like, undo the
wrongs that he did because I believe at the end that he did
feel bad for what he did, it just that, The environment that
he grew up in and it was too late to find out that there was
more out there than just him being this god-king essentially.
Interesting, I can't speak for on John Trick is.
I haven't seen yet. But uh, yeah, the best childhood
ever made. It's so good.
Cool. So for me real quick tragedy, I
guess I kind of cheated in this because I'm not she is a main
character. I did elephant lead and I think
that that's if it's tragedy really well, where this cat
character in Lucy is put in a very unwinnable situation.
And she also then has these just flaws in the way that she
perceives the world and that will leads to her eventual
device in the anime. So, Um, yeah, I think that's
cheating a little bit because she's not the primary main
protagonist, you know, like the guy is but maybe you could say
he's tragic to, I don't know. I don't have don't have the
brain power to do that. Right now though.
My special shout-out for tragedy would be akadama drive because
it tries to do the thing where each person has a hubris has has
their their mortal sin or whatever you want to say that
the their thing that leads to their death.
The main characters are the main cast.
At least like hoodlum and Everybody but ya know still fuck
that shows ending so show, something it's nine in the
ending isn't tragic even though it should have been, so there
you go. We'll leave it at that rebirth.
Our final category. So we let's make this quick
because again, we're going. So we're doing a lot of good
talking, but we are also talking a lot.
So, yeah, longest episode ever, probably Secrets thing is like
two and a half hours. Oh, well, so much for two and a
half hours. Like 2 hours and 45 minutes.
That's true. All right.
Yeah, but what's your first rebirth miles?
Yeah, here's a really easy one. I picked re0.
Um, so Subaru has gets like reborn in another world and he
is forced to You know, adapt to it.
Learn how to be a better person. It changes who he is.
He can't be the shut-in otaku anymore.
And so he has to adapt into this new situation. 30.
Yeah. I did RI 0 as well.
Don't have much to sales of a. I was just like yeah, he does
really like go through because he's not I didn't want to just
do eat Sakai, but he actually does go through like a
significant rebirth and character.
So that's what I thought he was. He was a good fit people about
you. I was thinking How do you
reserve idealists a character? I think much better than him,
but kind of like the similar level.
I did Hachi man from Oregon who I felt like throughout the
entire series that you see, like these events where he is, like
an art. He is like a genuinely good
person, but like, through the events he comes through, like,
understanding that it's okay to like want more.
It's okay that he doesn't have to be this person that like, he
thinks he has to be. And I think just through the
entire series that we see like this completely.
I personally think it's the best character.
Element anime just Hachi mod from episode 12.
The ending just becoming a completely different person for
the better. Yeah, I can definitely agree
with that. Um, I thought about police work,
I run the list to but then I was like, yeah, more comedy, you
know, because it is a rom-com. Yeah, I guess I'm like, really
focusing on Hachi mon himself. Yes, himself specifically.
For sure. If it's miles.
What's your number two? Sure.
Hey, Marco, if you're listening, stop listening, I'm about to
spoil the fuck out of here Karachi.
I'm gonna give you like 20 seconds.
That was 20 seconds. That was 20 seconds.
Yeah, this is very important. So, the main character of
Higurashi is Reka fourroux day. She much like Subaru has the
ability to loop back in time after she gets murdered.
And there is a moment specifically where she realizes
that it's possible for her to change what is happening and
that she can get through to people.
And that allows her to like get out of this issue.
So for the first like 900 years or whatever, as she's looping,
she doesn't think that she can like change anything.
She thinks the rules of like the life.
She's leading are set. But after an event happens,
she's able to sort of Have faith learn how to be more proactive
and not just accept the tragedy that has befallen her, but as
she is reborn, literally, this time able to actively work
towards. You know, finding a way out of
the problem. She said, so, I knew we wouldn't
be able to get through an episode about miles for you.
Hey, but if you got wishes, I got berserk miles has Hague.
We all have our thing. Oh, well, no, that's not an AI.
Definitely not knock it. All.
I was just wondering where they were when they were going to
come in. I was originally gonna do the
Ava thing with Higurashi, but then I didn't want Marco to have
to skip the entire episode. Yeah, surprise.
That we gotten this far without you.
Keep this short and sweet. Have you guys heard of a show
called? Neon Genesis Evangelion?
No. Okay.
Well there's this great one. So it's on Netflix.
Watch it. Dubbed.
Don't watch the rebuild movies. But yeah, I mean, just a short
sweet. It's Neon Genesis like a lot of
that only Shinji, but I think some of the other characters
have like, rebuild, like aspects throughout the show and I think
it's just like a great example of it.
That's fair. Yeah, that probably don't have
to get to nitty-gritty with it as we already have so far and
I'm sure Mi will say it's his third choice idea.
It's their choice to exactly. Um, number two, for me was real
life. I think that that another re and
its name. But yeah, real life.
I think does the without being an Izakaya.
It does like the rebirth, the guy gets to go back to high
school and try and like redeem himself or become a functioning
member of society, which, of course, we find out later on the
show. You didn't really fuck up.
It's not like he's a bum for because of his own fault.
He, you know, he stood up for one of his sin Pi or yeah,
Senpai older persons. And then got fired because of
it, you know, like out of spite or whatever.
But it does also show that he grows as a person and shows
growth of not only him but then other characters in the show as
well. So I put that for rebirth
because he does get reborn as a younger version of himself.
But yeah, so mi. What about it Evangelion to give
us more Details God. Yeah, sure.
So I'm specifically talking about instrumentality in this
case. So when you haven't seen end of
Ava, anyway, some things happen. Okay?
Yeah, so when they all go into the Tang, you know, there are a
lot of tag is super good. Shinji is able to see the
thoughts of everyone understand all of their own personal
problems. And that's just like shared with
everything to Jesus. Then able to realize that, Life
is worth trying and is beautiful.
And he's a that's how he's able to like make that final decision
at End of Evangelion to, you know, end that it Code.
Geass is sort of like, the Code Geass thing.
It's because copious is just exactly and Evangelion.
And so that's what happened. So, during that whole second
half of individual Evangelion, where it feels like you're
tripping on mushrooms, that is Shinji going through the whole
rebirth moment. All right, very well, but I did
really well not hearing any of that.
I'm very proud of myself. Like I had I like squeeze by
headphones the other more than more than make sure I didn't
have that spot for me. Pete.
What's your final one? Well, last but not least.
I wanted to pick a show where I actually think that rebirth was
the focal point of the entire like main cast in the event is
through running. I went with run with the wind.
It's just like an incredible story of these college kids
through different like, Ability is social standards us how they
hollow cool. They are in college and stuff
like that and coming together and really like building each
other up being a cross-country team.
It's incredible story of just like Brotherhood camaraderie and
just changing your life, through an event of the word.
You maybe would never experience it.
If you didn't try something new and I think run with the wind is
a great example. I think that is too.
That's actually really well really good one.
So, First I'll do my honorary mention.
I threw in Fruits Basket into rebirth because I felt that it's
kind of like a coming of age for every single one of them million
per size, OD acts and also a rebirth of Tohru.
As a person, pre mom death and post mom death essentially.
And yes, that's why I put free to ask me in there.
But my favorite v-berth story so much so that I thought like when
I was first doing this, I thought one of the seven plots
wasn't rebirth, but I thought that it was Path to Redemption
and that is Rooney Kenshin. My favorite historical shown in
sign in whatever you want to call it.
Basically Kenshin is formerly an assassin and a manslayer thought
to have killed hundreds. And essentially, he something
tragic happens in his backstory, or in his life.
And then he goes on a quest for Redemption.
He becomes a Rooney, a person who travels and How does a vow
not to kill anyone? And it's about his Redemption
from his past and him coming to terms with his past and growing
as a person and becoming the wonderful human that he ends up
in as by the end of the story. So that just wanted to flex my
manga collection to finally have the 28th volume and so many more
stacking up back there. But, yeah, so that's my final
rebirth. So, yeah, guys, we did it.
We went fucking two hours or so of talking but I think it was
good. Good content, very good.
So yeah, if anyone has any comments, any things that they
want to say and he shows that you like glaring shows that you
think we really missed that like, truly epitomize.
These these topics. Please come talk to us in our
Discord about it. We can't wait to discuss things
further. I'm sure some of the cast that
wasn't here tonight will have their own ideas throughout there
as well. But yeah, thank you guys so much
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