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All right, future lawyers, let's
dive into something you might 

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not be hearing enough about in 
your classes. 

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Oh yeah? 
What's that? 

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Mediation. 
Interesting choice. 

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It's actually super important 
for legal pros. 

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It is for sure. 
And guess what? 

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What it's not all about, you 
know, courtroom drama. 

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Right. 
Not just the exciting stuff you 

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see on TV. 
Exactly. 

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Yeah, today we'll be taking a 
deep dive into. 

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Into a specific source. 
Yeah, awesome. 

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The power of mediation, a vital 
tool for legal professionals. 

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Okay. 
And this episode was actually 

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inspired by a whole chapter in a
book about, you know, mediation 

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basics. 
Very cool. 

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So think of this deep dive as a 
sneak peek. 

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Oh, I like sneak peeks. 
Into the world beyond just, you 

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know, going to court and 
arguing. 

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OK, so beyond litigation, right?
So why should law students care 

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about this? 
Well, I'm sure you're all super 

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busy. 
Oh yeah, between torts and 

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contracts and all that. 
Exactly. 

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But here's the thing. 
Most legal disputes don't 

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actually end up in court. 
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Yeah. 
That's why mediation is so 

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important. 
It offers a way to resolve 

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things outside of that, you 
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Without all the fighting and the
judges and the juries and all 

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that. 
Exactly, and trust me, these 

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skills are pure gold for any 
lawyer. 

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So even if I don't want to be 
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Even then, yeah. 
Okay, got it. 

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So it's about being like a 
well-rounded lawyer. 

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Yeah, someone who can solve 
problems and see things from 

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different sides. 
Clients want that, right? 

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Absolutely. 
They value that kind of approach

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big time. 
Makes sense, Yeah. 

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Okay, so let's break down 
mediates like. 

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What are the key principles 
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Okay, so the first one and this 
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all. 
Okay, hit me with it. 

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Voluntariness. 
Voluntariness. 

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OK, break that down for me. 
So basically it means everyone 

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involved has to choose to be 
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Oh, so no one's forced into it? 
Right. 

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It's not like a court order 
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OK. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

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This choice is what makes 
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to court or even arbitration. 
Because in those you're kind of 

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stuck there, right? 
You have to follow the rules and

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the procedures. 
Yep, decisions are often made 

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for the people involved, not by 
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Interesting. 
So in mediation, it's more about

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empowering the people in the 
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Exactly. 
They find their own solutions. 

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And that makes them more likely 
to actually stick to the 

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agreement. 
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It's not about being forced to 
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in. 
I can see how that would be more

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effective in the long run. 
For sure. 

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So how does a future lawyer, 
someone like our listeners, how 

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do they put this principle into 
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That's a great question. 
It all starts with creating the 

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right environment. 
Whether you're representing a 

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client in mediation or you're 
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is to make it a collaborative 
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So no. 
So strong arming people into a 

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solution. 
Nope, that's a common 

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misunderstanding about 
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What do you mean? 
It's not about figuring out 

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who's right or wrong legally, 
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It's about finding a solution 
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and interests. 
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So even if I think my client has
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go in there like guns blazing. 
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It's not about winning and 
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common ground. 
It sounds like it takes a real 

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mindset shift, especially for 
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You're used to thinking in terms

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of arguments and precedents. 
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But embracing that collaborative
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mediation work. 
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So that's voluntariness. 
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Confidentiality. 
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happens in mediation stays in 
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Pretty much, yeah. 
Like Vegas for legal disputes. 

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Well, not exactly, but you get 
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It's about creating a safe space
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honest. 
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their words being used against 
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They're not going to say much, 
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No way, right? 
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transparency. 
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their weaknesses and be more 
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Exactly. 
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them, yeah. 
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all about building trust, right?
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Your clients need to know that 
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So it's like attorney-client 
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mediation process. 
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Could say that. 
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This confidentiality allows for 
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lead to real breakthroughs. 
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So we've got voluntariness, 
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What's the third piece of this 
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The mediator. 
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And their role is super 
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whole process. 
OK, so the podcast we're looking

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at, they use a great example. 
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What's that? 
A workplace dispute where two 

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colleagues are always butting 
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Classic office drama. 
Right over project 

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responsibilities and stuff. 
Well, I've seen that play out so

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many times. 
So in a situation like that, a 

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good mediator doesn't just sit 
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No way. 
They're actively involved, 

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right? 
They're like a neutral 

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facilitator, guiding the 
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see each other's perspectives. 
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arbitrator, right? 
More like a referee. 

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Yeah, that's a good analogy. 
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everyone gets a chance to. 
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decide the outcome. 
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parties. 
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mediator need to be effective? 
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crucial. 
What does that mean in this 

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context? 
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each person is saying, not just 
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understand their deeper 
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So it's not just about the legal
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behind the conflict. 
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themselves in each person's 
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See things from their side. 
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their needs in a way that the 
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I can see how these skills would
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not just mediation. 
You got it. 

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Whether you're negotiating a 
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complex legal issue. 
Being able to listen, empathize,

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Those are valuable skills. 

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Absolutely, they'll take you 
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confidentiality, the role of the
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Those are the big three. 
It's clear that mediation is 

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more than just some niche area 
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It's a skill set that can 
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And you know what? 
You don't have to wait till 

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you're a seasoned attorney to 
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That was a good point. 
You can begin practicing right 

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now in law school. 
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Even with exams and readings 
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Oh yeah. 
Wow. 

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OK, so and tell me more about 
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Well, the beauty of it is that 
these skills aren't limited to a

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specific area of law. 
So it's not like I need to be a 

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certified mediator to benefit 
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Not at all. 
Let's get practical. 

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OK, I like practical. 
What can our listeners start 

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doing today, even while they're 
still in law school? 

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Yeah, what can they do to bite 
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The first thing is to become a 
master listener. 

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But I already listened to 
lectures all day. 

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Yeah, but active listening is 
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Oh. 
OK, so it's more than just 

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hearing the words. 
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You're trying to understand the 
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underlying needs of the speaker.
OK, so less interrupting, more 

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engaging. 
Yes, and as you improve this 

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skill, you'll be surprised how 
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of legal issues becomes. 
You'll start to see things you 

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might have missed before. 
Exactly like nuances and 

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different perspectives. 
That makes sense. 

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It's like taking those legal 
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seeing how they play out in real
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OK, so active listening is key. 
What else can our listener do to

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prepare for a future where 
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This might sound 
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practicing neutrality. 
Neutrality. 

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I know law school is all about 
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arguments, right? 
But it's important to step 

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outside that adversarial mindset
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So like during those mock trial 
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Exactly or negotiation 
exercises. 

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Try to see the case from both 
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Yeah, imagine you're the 
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How would you approach the 
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What would I ask? 
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What questions? 
How would you help the parties 

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find common ground? 
Interesting. 

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So in a mock trial, instead of 
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for my side, I should try to 
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weaknesses of the other side's 
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Exactly. 
It'll broaden your perspective 

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and help you anticipate 
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I can see how that would be 
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mediating. 
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It forces you to consider all 
angles and attach from your own 

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biases. 
Which is crucial in any legal 

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setting, whether you're 
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litigating. 
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OK, so active listening 
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What else? 
Start thinking beyond win lose 

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outcomes. 
OK, but that's how the legal 

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system works. 
Someone wins, someone loses. 

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I know, but mediation challenges
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How so? 
It encourages us to look for 

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solutions that benefit everyone 
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Even if it means no one gets 
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wanted. 
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It's about compromise, 
collaboration, finding that 

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sweet spot where everyone can 
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OK, so it's not about sticking 
to rigid legal positions, right?

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It's about finding creative 
solutions. 

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Exactly. 
I like it. 

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That's a great way to think 
about it. 

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It's not just about winning a 
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resolution that actually works 
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Couldn't set it better myself. 
OK, I'm convinced mediation is 

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more than just a buzzword. 
It's a valuable skill set and a 

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different way of approaching 
legal problems. 

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It's like adding a new tool to 
your legal toolbox. 

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Yeah, expanding your options 
beyond just going to court. 

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Right. 
And you know what? 

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Clients really care about 
results. 

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Oh, for sure. 
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isn't a courtroom victory. 
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It's a mediated agreement that 
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and maybe even preserve those 
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Right, because sometimes the 
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relationship, like business 
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in those cases a mediated 
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those relationships. 
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resolution for everyone. 
OK, I'm starting to see the 

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bigger picture here. 
Good mediation isn't just about 

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resolving disputes, right? 
It's about understanding 

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people's needs, finding common 
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a more harmonious future. 
That's the goal. 

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It's about finding that win, 
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Right where everyone feels like 
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It exactly. 
It's a totally different way of 

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thinking about things. 
OK, so we've talked about the 

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big ideas of mediation. 
Yeah, but how can our listeners 

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actually start using these 
skills, right? 

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Like right now, while they're 
still in law school. 

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That's the key, right? 
Yeah. 

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They don't have to wait, exactly
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changing. 
Clients are starting to look for

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alternatives to going to court. 
Oh, really? 

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Yeah, they want things to be 
faster, less expensive, and less

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combative. 
Less adversarial, yeah. 

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And mediation checks all those 
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It does for sure. 
Plus, it empowers people to come

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up with their own solutions. 
With the help of a neutral 

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mediator, of course. 
Of course. 

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Right. 
So it's not just about ending 

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the dispute, it's about actually
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And getting people to buy into 
the outcome. 

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Exactly. 
OK, So to recap, yeah, mediation

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is confidential. 
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It's voluntary and it's 
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party. 
Got it. 

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So how can our listeners start 
developing these skills? 

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Well, First off, they got to 
become master listeners. 

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Wait, but I already listened to 
lectures all. 

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Day. 
I know, I know. 

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But active listening is a whole 
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Oh, OK. 
It's about more than just 

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hearing the words. 
Right. 

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It's about understanding the 
message, Yeah, the emotions, the

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underlying needs. 
Exactly. 

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You got to be able to read 
between the lines. 

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So less interrupting and more 
engaging. 

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Absolutely. 
You got to show the speaker that

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you're really paying attention. 
By asking clarifying questions 

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and stuff. 
Exactly. 

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And as you get better at this, 
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deeper your understanding of 
legal issues becomes. 

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Oh really? 
Yeah, You'll start to see 

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nuances and different 
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missed before. 
It's like taking those legal 

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concepts from the textbook and 
actually applying them to real 

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world scenarios. 
Right? 

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OK, that makes sense. 
Good. 

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So, active listening. 
What else can our listeners do? 

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This one might sound a little 
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OK, but try practicing 
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Neutrality. 
I know law school is all about 

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taking sides. 
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argument. 
Right. 

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But it's important to step 
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To see the other side. 
Exactly. 

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OK, so during those mock trial 
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exercises, imagine you're the 
mediator. 

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Oh, OK. 
What questions would you ask? 

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What would I do to help the 
parties find common ground? 

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Exact. 
That's a good exercise. 

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It is. 
It forces you to consider all 

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angles. 
And to detach from your own 

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biases. 
Exactly, which is super 

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important in any legal setting. 
Yeah, whether you're mediating, 

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negotiating or litigating. 
Absolutely. 

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OK, so active listening 
neutrality. 

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What else? 
This one's a biggie, Hemi with 

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it. 
Start thinking beyond win lose 

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outcomes. 
But isn't that how the legal 

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system works? 
I know, I know. 

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But that's exactly what 
mediation challenges it does. 

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It encourages us to find 
solutions that benefit everyone.

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Even if it means compromise. 
Exactly. 

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And nobody gets everything they 
wanted. 

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So it's about finding that 
middle ground. 

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The sweet spot where everyone 
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And like their needs were 
addressed. 

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Precisely. 
OK, so let's say I'm involved in

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a student organization dispute. 
Yeah, good example. 

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Instead of pushing for a 
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one side, right, I should try to
facilitate a discussion, yeah? 

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Use those mediation principles. 
Find a compromise that addresses

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the concerns of both parties. 
That's the idea. 

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It's. 
Like a mini mediation session 

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it. 
Is and it's great practice for 

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the real world. 
Oh yeah, for sure. 

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Because in real life, it's not 
always about winning, right? 

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It's about finding a solution 
that actually works for 

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everyone. 
Exactly. 

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And guess what? 
Clients are starting to realize 

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that really, they're looking for
lawyers who can help them 

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achieve those kinds of outcomes.
So lawyers who have those 

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mediation skills. 
Exactly. 

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That's awesome. 
It is. 

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It's a win win for everyone. 
I like it. 

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OK, so we've covered a lot of 
ground here. 

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We have active listening, Check.
Neutrality. 

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Yeah. 
Thinking beyond win, lose, 

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outcome, Check. 
Check. 

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It's clear that mediation is 
more than just a legal 

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technique. 
It is. 

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It's a skill set that can 
benefit any lawyer. 

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And any law student. 
And any person, really, you got 

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it. 
It's about communication, 

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empathy. 
And finding creative solutions 

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exactly. 
So don't wait till you graduate 

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to start developing these 
skills. 

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Start practicing them now. 
Right here in law school. 

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Your future clients will thank 
you for it. 

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And so will your future self. 
I bet. 

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OK. 
So we've talked about the 

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practical benefits of mediation.
Like faster resolutions? 

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Lower costs. 
Reserving relationships. 

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All that good stuff. 
Yeah. 

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But before we wrap up, I think 
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ethical implications of all 
this. 

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Oh yeah, that's a great point. 
Because as lawyers. 

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We have a duty to our clients. 
But we also have a duty to the 

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justice system. 
Exactly. 

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And sometimes those duties can 
be in conflict. 

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Can you give us an example of 
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Sure. 
Imagine your client is dead set 

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on going to trial. 
OK, they think they have a slam 

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dump case. 
But you think a mediated 

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settlement would be better? 
Exactly. 

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You've assessed the situation. 
And you think mediation would be

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in their best interest? 
Right, but your client wants to 

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fight it out in court. 
So what do you do? 

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That's where your ethical 
obligations come in, right? 

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You have a duty to advise your 
client of all their options. 

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Even if they don't want to hear 
it. 

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Exactly, even if it goes against
their initial wishes. 

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You have to lay it all out for 
them. 

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You got to give them the full 
picture. 

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Explain the benefits and risks 
of both litigation and 

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mediation. 
Right. 

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Ultimately, the final decision 
is theirs right, but you have a 

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responsibility to guide them. 
With your expertise. 

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Yep, and make sure they're 
making an informed choice. 

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That's a tough spot to be in. 
It is, for sure, but it 

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highlights the importance of 
ethics. 

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Along with those practical 
mediation skills. 

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Exactly. 
You got to have both. 

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OK, so beyond individual cases, 
how does mediation fit into the 

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bigger picture of the legal 
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That's a great question. 
The traditional adversarial 

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system, Yeah, it's built on 
conflict, winners and losers. 

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Right. 
Someone has to win. 

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Someone has to lose. 
Exactly, but mediation offers a 

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different model. 
OK, I like different. 

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One that focuses on 
collaboration, understanding, 

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finding common ground. 
So instead of me versus you, 

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right, it's us working together 
to solve a problem. 

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That's it. 
And that has implications for 

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the legal profession as a whole.
For sure, it challenges us to 

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think differently about what 
justice means. 

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Not always about punishment or 
victory, right? 

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It's about finding a solution 
that addresses everyone's needs.

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And restores balance. 
I like that restoring balance. 

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It's a. 
Powerful concept. 

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It is, and as future lawyers, 
our listeners have the potential

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to be part of that shift they do
to be agents of change within 

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the legal system. 
That's a great way to put it. 

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So as you embark on your legal 
journey, don't just focus on the

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rules and precedents. 
The technical stuff. 

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Right. 
Embrace the human side of law. 

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Absolutely. 
Learn how to listen. 

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How to empathize? 
How to build bridges instead of 

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walls? 
Because in the end, that's what 

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truly matters. 
Using your legal skills to make 

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a positive impact on the world. 
That's the goal. 

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I love that. 
OK, so we've talked about the 

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practical benefits of mediation 
and now we've touched on the 

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ethical implications, right. 
It's clear that mediation is a 

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powerful tool it. 
Is. 

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With the potential to transform 
how we approach conflict 

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resolution. 
And it's not just for mediators,

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right? 
These skills active listening, 

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empathy, collaborative problem 
solving. 

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They're valuable for any lawyer.
Absolutely, no matter what area 

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of law you go into. 
So to our listener, the aspiring

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lawyer out there. 
Uh huh. 

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Embrace these skills. 
Explore the possibilities of 

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mediation. 
And always remember that the law

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is about serving justice. 
And finding ways to make a 

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positive impact on the world. 
That's a great note to end. 

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On it is. 
Thanks for joining us on this 

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deep dive into mediation. 
It's been a pleasure. 

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We were just talking about the 
ethical side of things. 

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Yeah, like how as future 
lawyers, we have this duty to 

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balance our responsibilities to 
our clients and to the legal 

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system itself. 
Right. 

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And it sounds like mediation 
could actually help resolve that

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tension sometimes. 
I could, I mean, think about it,

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the traditional way of doing 
things, the adversarial system, 

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it can feel like it's more about
winning. 

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Than finding a just outcome. 
Right. 

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Like who can argue better? 
Who can outmaneuver the other 

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side? 
Regardless of what's actually 

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fair. 
Exactly. 

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And that's where mediation 
offers something different. 

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A different path. 
Yeah, a more nuanced approach, 

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one that takes into account 
everyone's interests. 

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Not just the legal 
technicalities. 

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Right, so it's not about 
abandoning your advocacy skills 

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altogether. 
No, not at. 

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All it's more like adding to 
your toolkit. 

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Expanding your options. 
Right, recognizing that 

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sometimes the best outcome isn't
to win in court. 

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It might be a mutually agreeable
resolution. 

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Reach through dialogue and 
compromise. 

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Couldn't have said it better 
myself. 

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And this brings us back to 
something we talked about 

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earlier. 
What's that? 

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The legal profession is 
changing. 

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It is. 
Clients are looking for 

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alternatives to litigation. 
And mediation is a perfect fit. 

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It is. 
It's faster, it's less 

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expensive, and it's less 
adversarial. 

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And it gives people the power to
create their own solutions. 

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Which can help preserve 
relationships. 

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Then create a sense of ownership
over the outcome. 

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So it's not just about resolving
the dispute at hand, right? 

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It's about setting the stage for
a better future. 

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For everyone involved. 
Exactly. 

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It's about seeing conflict as an
opportunity. 

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An opportunity for growth and 
understanding. 

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And as future lawyers, yeah, you
can help guide your clients 

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toward those more constructive 
outcomes. 

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Absolutely. 
This has been a fascinating deep

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dive into mediation. 
It has. 

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We've gone from the basics, the 
bigger picture. 

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The implications for the legal 
profession and society as a 

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whole. 
It's clear that mediation is a 

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powerful tool. 
It is with the potential to 

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change how we approach conflict.
And remember those skills? 

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We talked. 
About Oh yeah, active listening.

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Empathy. 
Collaborative problem solving. 

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Those are invaluable. 
No matter what kind of law you 

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practice. 
They'll make you a better 

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advocate, a better counselor, a 
better lawyer. 

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Period. 
So to our listener out there, 

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the future lawyer. 
Embrace these skills. 

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Explore mediation. 
And never forget that the law is

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about serving justice. 
And making a positive impact on 

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the world. 
Well said. 

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That's a great way to wrap 
things up. 

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It is. 
Thanks for joining us on this 

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deep dive into mediation. 
It's been a pleasure. 

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We'll see you next time for 
another deep dive into a topic 

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shaping the future of law. 
Until then, keep learning, keep 

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growing, and keep those legal 
minds sharp. 

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That's it for today. 
Thanks for listening.