1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,560 Hallo zusammen, die heutige Folge des Völkerrechtspodcasts 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:07,840 wurde vom Team des Symposiums Women in International Law 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,720 gestaltet. Als Sonderfolge wurde sie in 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,200 englischer Sprache produziert, beim nächsten Mal hören wir uns 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,880 dann wieder auf Deutsch, viel Spaß beim Zuhören. 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,320 And i are pushed this baby i and i literity with like what i have 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:58,220 i have a field weak. What can everyone to the special 8 00:00:58,220 --> 00:01:00,460 episode of the forkest to portcast? 9 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,480 You but Gast for international lou interry and practice by name 10 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,960 is selin shows and I'm delight it to up in today. 11 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:11,560 The Episode We'ch Focuses on Mother Heard and international 12 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,400 Lou this episode's concus the Fifth Annual Woman International 13 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,000 Lou Symposium who's that on the fulcus to blog if we here doing 14 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,280 the, we call the International womans they the Symposium 15 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,040 bringst to get a blog Post and putcast with the objektive to 16 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Explorer women's right. Them in is uporges to 17 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,880 international lo and the chalenges Woman face in legal 18 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,840 Academia. This here we turn all attention 19 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,000 specifical to motherhood was an international lo and legal 20 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,400 academia, my colliek we'll share with you no mobile back one 21 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,040 information on the struggle face by movers and on movers in 22 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,440 Academia and beyond then see see cats an jenpol in a kulish this 23 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,040 kind is the topic will orgest we see to the flo is your. 24 00:02:11,660 --> 00:02:15,500 Mottles of bintuditionly, depicted as herwans and out 25 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:19,180 think Mom us mit Donald Ikans slimon montsours family from the 26 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:23,420 camp cassical withs modos or the protection of the mother of God 27 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:27,260 and literature from folgenden Songs to Breakts Mother Carage 28 00:02:27,260 --> 00:02:30,980 and Hood children in international law Models make 29 00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:34,360 that presents lowden till. Especially and stets feed to 30 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,400 protect that childance rights for leslie they've initiated 31 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,200 litigation, but for global fora seaging justice for loses like 32 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,160 the UN and the nedalins failure to pretrom the tribanic of 33 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,800 geneside and fast is apparance is an extrajudition killings and 34 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,720 lat in America childance femeside or killings by nazilink 35 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,880 groups. These case is pro funly impacted 36 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,080 international law, trucking, true, human rights and fosment 37 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,000 stir transponsibility and transitional justice. 38 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,280 Get Academia harshleepinlizes this harrans by a the motherhood 39 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,120 benity a Symposium call this casters how mother's publish 40 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,800 twelve team pasent for a papers like your twenty pasentless 41 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,880 funding and face ten pasent lour ten or alls post childbot agab 42 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,440 that faders topicly aveed, but they fadderhood bonus even 43 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,840 amongdul Academy cuples no mothers get hit to. 44 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Experte to obsorb universities unpape carewalk like mentoring 45 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,200 at men emotion labor sin thid ont do it at home solid there on 46 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,920 cardio to jetries quer and non sus gender women face applifite 47 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,920 barriers at obgendered biases legal hotels blocking parentor 48 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,920 trites like non reckignition of seems ex fam laser i've access 49 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,960 as a controut as will expand. International Law offers tools 50 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,720 like the ilo Etonity protection convention, the cedo provisions 51 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,400 them uped a protokoll, but this it sheed all modos gaps yeon for 52 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,800 black and roma modos and the oring disrimnity refuctive cash 53 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,840 or do's and sames ex partnerships at adenite 54 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,200 equality, mental healt risks loom lodge was in the Name 55 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,959 configs and Post configsones via truma and gender wilance. 56 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,160 States and helpworkers face applications for repuctive 57 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,120 justice and yet you're studance off and the infoses in 58 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,680 aqualities how can be eliminate this is connetry gaps. 59 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Think He ricity I'm Paulina coulition I'm read a like in 60 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,800 forward to there's conversation. And I'm CC cats only it's grate 61 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,600 to have a runterful like a them because with us today. 62 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Tanja Eachela Diladno Bulls Doctor a reserter at Suric 63 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,320 University. Michelle Stacks can't sell 64 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,920 senior electorar at the School of Oriental and African Studies, 65 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,240 University of London. Enchoice Deconing Bulls Doctor a 66 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,120 reserter affiliated with Kind University Welcome. 67 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,800 To key of are listeners a beat of a backround to would like to 68 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,840 state that bolf michelle enjoys are members of fokarechts blogs 69 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:32,480 scientificadvisor support, which is a centraly buddy that offer 70 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,800 citificadvisor a ditorial team right. 71 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,120 Tanja is not see minerity a scientificadvisor report member, 72 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,120 she was a centraly the master rine behind is symposium two and 73 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,400 car of interview in the context of the person behind the acadab 74 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,960 x Symposium last here tanja's stress and i quold that. 75 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,480 If you are series about the jiving gentary quality in 76 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,560 academia, we need to speak moralpendy about motherhood 77 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,240 caregiving and academic carriers, and you we are today 78 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 speaking specificly about the seasons. 79 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,080 In the as a selin and ricity clarifight in the introduction. 80 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,560 The very aim of this bootcast is to explorer the relationship 81 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,720 between motherhood and the development of onsecademic 82 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 carrier. Aswall is the Wace in the rich, 83 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,160 the International legal Academia as a working environment and as 84 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,680 a research community can't be com a batterplace for mother and 85 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,600 no mother academics so to beginn this conversation we've like to 86 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,440 us coragas. Can you tell us about you 87 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,400 experience with don't motherhood and motherhood so far and how 88 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,000 has that experience influenced you cariapoffice joys what you 89 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,840 like per ups to start. Just think you and a me start by 90 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:50,240 just thing thank you for the invitation and by way of caviat 91 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,080 my thols and observations or offered base on my on very short 92 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,560 live the experience as a mother as my new bourne has not even 93 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,400 reach three mons. And they are carectrice by the 94 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,960 fact that I'm postuctoral researcher in in export 95 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,800 community, so nothing i see is not is serraly generalizable 96 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,520 that if it rings true and have he tick in to me the 97 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,560 comversation so two points on one on my experience and one on 98 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,840 influence the first bing that what i experience going thre 99 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,400 pregment see the first post partum thase. 100 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Is a los of identity of sorts and a los of voice. 101 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,240 I feel like my voice has been cooped to a little bit and i 102 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,840 have been requalified by other's I'll tid in my own person as a 103 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,560 mother ruther and a resercher and is rangers from being to all 104 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,360 down, but you want to kid so you have to deal with the factor you 105 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,360 might not get a follow up a system professorship to people's 106 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,280 helling me activity that my priority's will change an 107 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,240 Academia. And that one say be comamother i 108 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,640 will stop caring about geting hired in academic institutions 109 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,880 chalking leave this is noticase and in finally been tall that 110 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,440 you know my reactions or my critics with in the academic 111 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,480 spaces, maybe guideed by hormons ruther, then affective critic on 112 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,000 the word that I'm person a confronted with so this to see 113 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,000 that my experience last for as been by a lurge positive, but i 114 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,720 have that shocked by the fact that my voices been quoped it in 115 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,120 that people are. Speaking in my stat, then to the 116 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,680 feeling of influence and this is one that really hits home 117 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,280 inquising the in the post part of Phase. 118 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,559 I feel quite isolided and anziehen, so the learning curve 119 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,360 as the moters that have going to this is steep and this go's from 120 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,640 learning hot a change dipers and your standing maximation 121 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,040 requirements and different conties administration 122 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,000 registration learning what the different christ of your baby 123 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 means. Learning how to multitask 124 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 thinking about effekt that a bad needs to be conbine or a running 125 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,160 about needs to be conbine with rushing your ped because you 126 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,400 want me have limit at time to beable two take here of all the 127 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 things at the seem time understanding have pumping words 128 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,520 how to refrigerate and free's brustmilk how to undest how to 129 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,440 brust feed and public how to travel with the child all of the 130 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,040 stings have them and you have the a commendations that are 131 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,840 made. Even a fakes is the judith 132 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,120 defacto or quit limited and it's bathling to me because the a 133 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,840 comedations that a prignante person or a post partum paring 134 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,760 needs or archely quit limited and what have emance effekts on 135 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,920 the feeling of Inklusion of Post partum parents and pragnant 136 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,920 people and just to get a fue and then all stop. 137 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,480 If we can't read emery sloters peace on why women still can't 138 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,680 have it all that already with offer a platera a ways for word 139 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:53,080 in a comedading parents to cool if we can have workshops 140 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,280 conferences präsentations organize not at times of pickup 141 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,560 and i'm not even and not phase of my lifiat but not at pickup 142 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:03,840 times not at times, we're parents or potential to that 143 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,040 would already a lauf for new parents, pragnant people et 144 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,960 cetra to be all to continu and joining the conversation if we 145 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,600 can've. Central heißt University 146 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,280 institutional policies that help especially expat international 147 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,800 moters imparance one coming to and new institution that with 148 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,560 already go miles and finally, but we have a joop it not really 149 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,160 if we can have a couch for pragnant people and post perdam 150 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,200 moters because that one minute nap changes the entire kurs of 151 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,680 my day and we as i just to think it was exaderated i know 152 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,480 interstand that a couch can go a very very long we. 153 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,120 Think we're want to for for sharing your insights experience 154 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,080 and such at candy to it for have stany with you like to continu 155 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,320 the conversation. Yes, so i think you we're not 156 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,160 for the invitation and congratulations on this 157 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,960 initiative and just like joy side, i will's a be tucking 158 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,000 about my personal experience, so it's in no way a generisible. 159 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:17,440 But i what's a as and me for me motherhood as informs my carrier 160 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,040 pat, but not only also migration and this is probably the case 161 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,800 for many women hupersu a carrier in international legal academium 162 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,240 migration, my be a major consideration when. 163 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:36,720 Designing to be I'm mother, not a special because of the changes 164 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,760 of be of being pragnant just just a talk to about it and 165 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,840 razing a chile in a place different from your home town, 166 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,040 so you have to learn very quickly the institutional 167 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,640 arrangements for chilcare or schooling you have to make 168 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,400 France will a network from stretch in som cases me even 169 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,120 learn a different language. So i can imagine that a lot of 170 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,640 weam and who cooper sue a carrier international my chaeway 171 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,160 from motherhood and given all this in men's challenges, but at 172 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,960 the end in overall, i think it's so very enriting experience not 173 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,320 only personaly professionaly, but also for the kids because 174 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,520 the kids also learn to to krawalp in this different 175 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,640 emiraments and so i think we should all be barry open about. 176 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,960 This experenses that's international student phase when 177 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,960 haveing when dring a peached, you're brod and bing pragnant or 178 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,960 haveing haveing a child and so i think all do's being vary open 179 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:46,480 about this experenses my help also lesson the challenges when 180 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,920 been a mother and personing a car you're in legal i can you. 181 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Think we're not ton it, michelle what i's think you're about 182 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,600 this. Thank you so I'm not polena and 183 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,640 the usual kind of it's supply everything about to say it's 184 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,400 based on person experience, so if it's generalizable i'm 185 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,400 grateful to the orient's but don'tness really specta i 186 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,920 suppers i come at this from the officeident of the spectram in 187 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,320 that i've been a mother now for sixteen. 188 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,200 Years sixteen years in a month of all there abouts and i have 189 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,200 birded a doel to and a son my doel to sixteen and my son is 190 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,880 thirteen, so I've i's on the stand and for the empathires 191 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,520 we've birds what joys and tonia asan, but i can't to academia 192 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,920 have in donna PHD with a fiderold and a three rold and my 193 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,560 hill my hill carrier that's far as been. 194 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:50,240 With with childrens with of evolving into teenagers and i 195 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,120 would i would reacherate and a firm what burs joys and tonia 196 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,800 habority set in toms of the importance and the problems of 197 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,760 cersiated with bos the timings for various academic of the 198 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,960 events. Everyone's Voice, been coopted 199 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,360 and all so dealing with migration and mother hut. 200 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,240 I think another and editional layer of complication and 201 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:19,200 complexity to on's live, but what i what's say to out tool of 202 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,560 that is that i think it's really about on the standing, the 203 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:32,160 relationship between work and mother hut as no on the mother 204 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,600 to to be. Caring that responsibility, i 205 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,520 think the mother has to be there's catful and safgot of by 206 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,240 the people around her virs mail and female and all so on the 207 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,440 stud as an essential and important part of anywork plays 208 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,040 in Barrel and and specifical an academia virs for what she 209 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,840 contributes in toms of hanologian on the standing of 210 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,240 different epistemic wise of sing the world. 211 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,800 But all so in toms of what he's bringing what he's the next 212 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:12,960 generation or of people to to the planet and this is constant 213 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,800 invisible sense in which all this labor is bing on the taken 214 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,200 and it's not really calculator, it's in form pot of jdp it's 215 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,280 also's consited bone t and I'm not furny in andy y sign, it's 216 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,640 shoopy pot of jdp because there there is complexities and 217 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,160 consens i would have with that, but what i am sign is it is 218 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,160 really. Important that we don't see it 219 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,120 is some how and add on two academia. 220 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,040 It's it's actually out of a fundamental polit of merst of 221 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,000 all ones. No everyone an Academia will 222 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,040 just to be apparent, but quad of you have and the traditional 223 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,720 that i been man so it has an been as mucha vanicio oh oh has 224 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,240 an been seen as mucha vanicio, but I'm i think for the next 225 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,120 generation that's no long a going to be the case and i think 226 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,120 it's something we only to take on board. 227 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,240 Think you michelle now in the context of the person behind 228 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,440 academic symposium. It was also not it that in that 229 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,480 past writing a have this and beached the thesis with almost 230 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,160 garantie electorership some here with also's a jest that this 231 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,880 like no longer be the case in you're, you is motern 232 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,480 international lega lakatimia peculia you think it is any 233 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,280 different from any have a job markets that we'en the need to 234 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,840 get really navigate the specialy when a design to be kind parents 235 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,560 that. To you think down you. 236 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,880 You're so definity up disertation is now now a they're 237 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,160 not an off for alecture to bring alecture you're respekted to 238 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,320 have serrol publications a side from the disertation and this my 239 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,160 also we very dunting a spely if if they're complining you page d 240 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,560 you get prignant and so I'm how you have to cat job and i'm in 241 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,840 there there are several studies the show that we'm don't cat 242 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,360 job. In relation to they're 243 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,800 mailcolity to have also be comparance for the first time, 244 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,119 so i'm in this gender gap will remain all the time so of cars 245 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,119 as institutional arrangements are are this are but what I'm 246 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,200 what i'm like for i most to q your from from the. 247 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,800 Of the Jog Marketing International legal Academia is 248 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,079 that it is is tructure as he. We we're some how high 249 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:24,480 performance affly so we're in the royal bolay so we're have 250 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,079 we're expected to have a sertant a mount of outbut it's a 251 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:34,720 relative john h and we're pressiposes a linear continuus 252 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,280 progressive carrier was no debians. 253 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,680 And i and of corsi's the certainly in contradiction with 254 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,520 motherhood and i don't really see the logic in this because 255 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,600 are a task stone depend or now or biological h or physical 256 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,840 performance, so this really do's an make in the sense, so it is a 257 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,400 beal out for women not to very about timing because timing also 258 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,040 pressure as in now or different choises of cours, we have the 259 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,480 crasher ok you have to if you one to be i'm mother you have 260 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280 to. You have to rush because then 261 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,880 later you when be possible what every so i don't think and don't 262 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,400 see really the logic of that's in the job market. 263 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,080 It's at be all out to have like you know a post to we more 264 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,800 flexible with time and evan and in the academia and student with 265 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:32,080 benefit you know from people haveing AA different experience 266 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,480 in life and i'm just haveing this linear. 267 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Your with with no upsticals no position ona. 268 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Yeah, i think you make a really good point that tonya and times 269 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,720 of not sing it so I'm not just a as A-Linie a trugectory or a 270 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,720 progress narrative and you get a the samtime there all some 271 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:58,080 peculiarities potaning to legal academia in poticula i we don't 272 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,440 think you about moden. International The Academia Bing 273 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,600 Peculia as a you know there, i just you're all sur framing. 274 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,400 You is a historical lack of women in the workplace, a 275 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,560 partical and academia i can post the seveni o private the 276 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,640 nineteen seventies you know rosan and higgins of coast bing, 277 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,240 the champion for all of us and someni Respekts. 278 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,080 There was basicly no women of there a few women in 279 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,720 international legal Academia. All Beat there will Women's 280 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:34,000 Grips advicading at the League of nations of no for for women's 281 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,880 rights and in other in other Respekt, pot of of international 282 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,640 LOL and but the constitution and creation of it. 283 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,400 So yeah is the is is modern like International Little Academia 284 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,360 Pecuia I think it is in the sense that the job the roll of 285 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:53,480 the academic for me is one and rich you can have a complete, 286 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,280 you're a job you know we have to bekomme used to. 287 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:03,120 Constantly realizing that the work never really ends because 288 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,480 andy project that you're working on is something it will thinking 289 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,080 about usually outside of the office anyway, any research 290 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,200 project and the nature of the work is that there's always more 291 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,160 work, then it actually can't be don or it's at the sames that to 292 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,320 right to me and i think one of the consons of that rises 293 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,360 motherhood is it concords and incredible sense of this or 294 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,520 awelming. And over what and sands burst 295 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,080 from from from modus, he are in academia at all so from they're 296 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,640 employers that they don't going to be apple to key pop, they 297 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,440 don't going to beables to do the job because it's hot and of to 298 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,840 do when you don't have child and that lone when you do, but what 299 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,840 i'm what i you is that actually motherhood ans a dimension to 300 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:54,560 the wayye work which can it in infekt be quarted useful for 301 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,560 that i think are realice personaly that. 302 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,920 Bring a motherment i have to do things in soten all is i have to 303 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,560 get things done and i was not better it sing no to my boss, 304 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,800 sorry i can't do that unlitry i car because i have to go to 305 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,920 basketball practice or i have to tech so and so here or i have to 306 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,440 go camail and i'm not willing to sacrifice my time is my children 307 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,320 in or it to get this job done and i think that was usful as 308 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:25,920 away of reframing my on workout was. 309 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,080 In and man of that man that i was still geting the work down 310 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,600 and i and you know is fanta i here this all the time for my 311 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,560 malcolates I've malcolic is an editor of a journal. 312 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,240 If we're radan outical full and I'm can't you did that really 313 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,520 quickly and you did it well, i don't like just because i don't 314 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,760 have any all the time. I get in this artical two days 315 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,600 and that's what it gets so i think in some ways there all 316 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,560 negatives about bing a mother in the workplace and meeting to 317 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,080 exped that we're a long, but in all the ways it's you, i think a 318 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,480 much better muchmoral thard you in ability to say no and to set 319 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,320 the paramit is a bit mo was your employer invays that heart for 320 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,360 you can be use for to you and your kollegs and to all the 321 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:15,960 woman. So many interesting thots that i 322 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,280 want to jump in on the mibby what all offers of courst 323 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,440 perspektive of the person on the job market i with as in part 324 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,440 with as costion is also going and and the it's my sons is the 325 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,920 we offentic in of the evaluative perspektive, we're evaluate or 326 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,200 on sur constance is being more diared as does of buters, but 327 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,160 what i like back and here the accounts of mursenior female 328 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,280 academics. And how day with fair in the job 329 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,800 market two and years a go II do rocking nice thatwe've.com a 330 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,880 very, very longway so what I'm offering is as somot of an new 331 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,800 ons tick my mother was here to just a couple wix a go to have 332 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,720 me in this first post part and face and she was just in all of 333 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,320 the fuck that is a poststock and my partner being a professor we 334 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,720 have vibility to kind of work from home when need it with a 335 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,000 louse for a bitmore linian c and how we tick her are baby and so 336 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,160 that is different bit of the samed. 337 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,960 I do rocked nice that the job market at these in continental, 338 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,680 your up at the moment for people in international and European 339 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,520 Law academia, it is dier i feel like I've hit all the marks to 340 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:27,560 be hired, but we don't get hired is compleedlistive circum senses 341 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,760 and factors that you don't not us here we have in a controll 342 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,480 over and so, but we have anic doed that up sevenowers have to 343 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,200 a screener interview for one of the institutions and i'm crently 344 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240 applying for my waterbricks. And lo and be holt to be 345 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,040 application procedure just not stop simply because my water 346 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,400 broken i get birth to this liter right so one i was that called 347 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,320 up to tick the next part of the application. 348 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,080 Do the job talk in the full day of interviews with a potential 349 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,760 fly out at setra, you know i have to trice i can see no all 350 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,600 just set back in what and not if an all just set back, i can't 351 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,960 set back and retrocked my canded to see or i think there i don't 352 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,560 feel and i get this is an a dodle i don't feel like i have 353 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,880 the trice to set back and simply retrocked my application because 354 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,520 of the fuck of the the market is so dier that the samed time i do 355 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,280 racking is that there's a lot to be think for for in the curn 356 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,840 version of legal acadim you that. 357 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,560 We live and I'm thinking spe three things tools that working 358 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,440 uability to say no was my shales that so tools i find and this is 359 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,720 no and no way and insinuation that woman mothers anybody can 360 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,320 be doing this, but i have down that there moments doing my day 361 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,000 where i am responsible for the baby, but the baby is taking in 362 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,680 up or when i was prignant i was exosted and can get be hinda 363 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,600 computer, but that are tools to allow you to stay in the games 364 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,840 or to speak transcrption material that all also you. 365 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,440 To convert transposier's lots and to rit in text transcriping 366 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,640 material that all aus articles true speech of five, for example 367 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,480 to be diktate to you so that when you know you just siting 368 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,720 around brust feeding, what not that you know you can be listing 369 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,200 to things if that's what you want to big and not in 370 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,080 instinuition that edition be do in that, but for there's that 371 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,360 are interested, they are tools out there that confisility work 372 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,240 such in lee network, they're very off to invisible, but when 373 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080 i like it the Atlas community as special in international law 374 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,400 they are. Solch supportive Network and 375 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,480 they can help you two by just listening by just providing 376 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960 support, but also by making the connections that you have to 377 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,960 rise with mike and simular the we don't talk about it and off 378 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,480 that there are so many female academics when i look at my very 379 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,720 short triductory so far that have been so uplifting and 380 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,360 supported supportive and II wann bealed to do it out and then by 381 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:48,240 way of anaking up what mashalls that my out of offices still on 382 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800 I'm on my turn, the live and so the fort of mart and. 383 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,880 It still i get orquests to jumpin on corses at different 384 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,640 institutions and people literally rackignising oh i see 385 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,920 that you're on beternity lee, but because you have as a last 386 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,960 of a class and it buffles me that one this question is still 387 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,320 being asked, but two mother hot dozalomi was a match last guild 388 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,320 to just say no. Think you for much, i think you 389 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,120 will right it touch up on the pressers. 390 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,880 And conserns as well as some silver liniens in this and 391 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,880 injity nova Symposium givea seved a number of contributions 392 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,760 that spoke about this inxiity that manifemalicadamics feeler 393 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,000 on the question of weather and how mother what can be reconsult 394 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,040 with a carrier in legalicademia so for those her navigate in the 395 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,080 question. What also do bond them to here 396 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,320 me shard, what are like to start perhaps? 397 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,360 Yes navigating weather not to be com a mother. 398 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,320 Yes, it's II get it's a it's a difficult question for for all 399 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:05,680 of us to ons up because we will main the choice so intimes of 400 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,600 the vice i've with give to my junga sof now i know what i know 401 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,440 now about mother heard and academia and the waising which 402 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,480 that navigation. Have to take plays or in d to 403 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,280 all the to all the win and out that i think that mother good 404 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:31,040 privites perspektive on live and on the the medi on theline 405 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,720 realities in which international operates that are some what you 406 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,080 think i don't want to say that is som sistended. 407 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,200 Disnovative Börse and we're say oh i have a unate perspektive 408 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,320 from haveing given birth to two children and haveing you know 409 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,920 that's star race them to to that teens that kind of the wise be a 410 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:59,360 tanged true of the forms of parenting, but what i would say 411 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:04,880 is that i think they're something about haveing to teach 412 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,560 another bang from the momet they bone. 413 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,120 How to live and work at to not work to live and be in this 414 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,560 world work is in you know psychological immentaly a 415 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:24,720 funship from the marmor of the various basic needs up to now 416 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,160 the more complex emotional problems dealing with anciety 417 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,720 dealing with stress dealing with fear and understanding how to 418 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,400 naviging that. As give in me a complexity of on 419 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,080 the standing about how it international operates that i 420 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,800 know sure i quit of God personally Andy all the way at I 421 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,720 think it give me burst a commitment to the integrity of 422 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,880 the field and we're john working that i all so i think is 423 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,920 highlighted when i's big to my children when i on the stand my 424 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,640 children three that live to experience and and the thing 425 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,720 was. Different different grips of 426 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,720 people, the will durva and i think why that happens is 427 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,920 because three the teaching that pedicogical process is a parent. 428 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,640 This something very internet about it and it it really brings 429 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,000 home things to you that you can't get just for a classroom 430 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,240 format and i think bringing that into the classroom is anabled me 431 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,200 to be a bad a teacher and a bad a scola. 432 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,240 So, i would like you full becoming amothery in stational 433 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:43,760 LOL, but pragmassiclial practically it's an incredible 434 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,360 chenging and difficult experience a lot at furious 435 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,280 points definitally because you're constantly multitasking 436 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,040 and it's it's a roll it never goes away. 437 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,080 I'm becoming amother I've becom amother as my children have 438 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,360 becomed them sales and i still becoming amother. 439 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,040 And that experience have a live's me so i think that 440 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,240 something that you you can get used to or in time, but is is a 441 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,160 massive transition in the begiting. 442 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,080 In responsed to what there you would are with and rockam and 443 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,760 that i'm going to it's a what i know right, i'm threemon sin to 444 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,440 this that i totally and just stand the angst and being of 445 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,160 that all there one i start at this truductory ain pot of the 446 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,840 reason at Tuck me a wild to get to this point is persisee 447 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,800 because i was acutely a where the fuck that it we change how 448 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,320 iphone my day, my priority is in what not and that it all of it 449 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,720 is true, so there's no way that i can in a generalizem and 450 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400 generalizable matter. You know rock a man mother who 451 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,080 are not at the pens on your infidual circum senses. 452 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,040 We are you know in support not work is and so for it what your 453 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,720 institutions we like, but they you one to be a mother, but 454 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,680 there are of cors and numbers things that you can't take in to 455 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,000 consideration as your doing us and they're not man to be 456 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,000 negative there just realistic hot takes that i have base on 457 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,560 the threemons. They see that pragnancy every 458 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,040 singleday of the pragnancy am outs to at least one long and 459 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,080 doerance workout and that everyday brust feeding samting 460 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,840 that the a comedation for this is agan as i'm inturlier quiet 461 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,160 limited. If not non existed so imagine as 462 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,880 man that you're quiet all of as I'm do you know one down to 463 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,640 marathon training on as every singleday of every singled we 464 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,440 that is physicly what? Parent Sir New mom's are going 465 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,040 to so with that in mind i would erge people when you know 466 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,560 consitering these trises to reed emery sloters peace i would get 467 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,800 erge people to read granius roselyn and marcellas peace on 468 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,280 jander and the lidl ack dimia in icon i would push even if you're 469 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,560 not a parent if you're just a call of a parent for daycare i 470 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880 your university, it's om stilly but at both institutions that 471 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,760 i'm at i don't real is it was there, but now noing that it's 472 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,600 there noing that i can bring my baby to die. 473 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040 They here and still be grust feeding and still pocking and 474 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,920 out and see here is is a live saver push for a natural policy 475 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560 at your institution. We've talk to about it a little 476 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,200 bit befor if you're a my grating researcher, there is nothing 477 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,640 quite as terrifying is kind of think out how to we get access 478 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,160 to bovic heldcare which doctors to go to what's schools to in 479 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,640 roll what's a positive experience we're to they speak 480 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,760 you know a companation of language is all this things or 481 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,520 easily aggrigate it in to a th. Will policy at a centralize 482 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360 level at your university and if that is done well you do at once 483 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,880 and you have no more work on this and then findly what as i 484 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,720 that you know organization of workshops make you're calling so 485 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,640 where of the fact that this is something that can't really go 486 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,040 on right and a comedy to you, but i think for me specificly 487 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,920 what has been you know going back and he's three monts what i 488 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,600 wash i what of concitate more is the plase. 489 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,160 Or the part of the projectory and which i opted to be 490 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,240 comamother and you know sometimes you simply don't have 491 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880 the choice and sometimes you steppen to your pjt and you are 492 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,640 you have children or you have children they are pjt, but if 493 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880 you do have be operituity to think contestly about one, you 494 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,520 do that i'm not more that i would repeated in the post post 495 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,880 doctoral phase simply because you know it teams like you have 496 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,800 plenty of time, but the truth of it for me is that i feel a lot 497 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,560 of pressure to get hired the spite the fact that i have a 498 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080 wonderful grant the keks. The imploit for and the next 499 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,520 cook live years. I keeping tool that if i don't 500 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680 get hired so i will not get hired and that's some how i will 501 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,120 be to old to stepin to system professor position, so if you do 502 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,600 have the operation we have a conversation with your partner, 503 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,160 your support network and really consiter top to your colics and 504 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,480 some of your colics will probably you know have not so 505 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,160 gate experiences to here, but even that is valible information 506 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,560 so i can form to is if you can so us to no what's coming. 507 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,719 So it's also have a lot of to say to to the to the prius a 508 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,440 commons and we as i also share the ideas that's a get this 509 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,840 angst in one solution or is sharing talking about sharing. 510 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,840 This experience is whitley as for example, we we are doing now 511 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,960 and. I'm doing now legal History II 512 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,360 think about it and he's are a call terms and will yes, i'm in 513 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,760 if we read for example, this bolium by in me tulgrin portrate 514 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,360 of wemen in international so we can see that i'm in it was an 515 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,280 that long a go's in's we man we're all out in the legal 516 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,520 profession I'm in this was only in the twenty so we also don't 517 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,239 have really a lot of roll models to follow and. 518 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:01,680 In my personal experience for me at least Klaus Roadmodels II 519 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,960 have have this operatunity me because of the different 520 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,640 migrations experience i've have so of querity to have to talk 521 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,520 about this very open openly. And also i see, we can also we 522 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,400 more openable the choices we have now abailable and how how 523 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,680 we.com up with this choices right, the we just one thing 524 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,280 about the other what are the Prozess behind all this choices? 525 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,240 For example, and me and we're live in your home contry to 526 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,120 person legal carrier, what choices do you face? 527 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,840 Maybe all so live a Partner there and you ok see the love of 528 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,280 your life or a legal carrier, for example, what choicing to 529 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,480 marry not to marry have a child ran social freesing and there we 530 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640 have nowal this choice is that word a bailable maybe fif to 531 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,280 your so goso we're get also tok more opely about this. 532 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,080 And and then junger generations, this will how be junger 533 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,440 generations to have brother prospektives because they like 534 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,040 be more informed about the challenges a strategies that we 535 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,080 go on like for example, joys talk to about the the the tools 536 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,400 we know have but me so that's be in toking about the skills we 537 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:26,320 aquir so they be more open about ok, how what skills do do you do 538 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,800 we aquir now like for example time as time get so skilled. 539 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,200 There's care's when you when you be come a mother and so i think 540 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,800 really the being very open about all. 541 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,840 There's proceses behind you know when we have in this choices, 542 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,520 all the proceses we have phasing this choices trusing one for the 543 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,720 other or not trusing not all i think. 544 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,800 This this all haves the jungar generations and the get this is 545 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,960 against the invisibility because we ten to you we like take it 546 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160 for granted. Oh yes, i can but there all lot 547 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,360 of things we have to go for and for mania was mania was do this 548 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,200 for the first time, i'm in my grandma or my mom was and in the 549 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,560 possible to say ok, i will per sue APHD you know in you're not 550 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,720 i will go by my all myself i will go to another contry we. 551 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,560 I can these disisions wearnt abailable event for for a two or 552 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,440 three generations of goso so i think this this has to be as 553 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,000 pokan more more openly about the changes of cours and the 554 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,200 gratifications that's all was it ranks. 555 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:51,040 Do i think it ania no a citro the struckles at motherspace in 556 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,000 legal Academia. I think we are also man of us 557 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,680 ralso familia with this drugles at no mother academics face and 558 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,920 you old nention there your you're ons there's that you as 559 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,480 mothers you fill muchmore protective and you see no and 560 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,400 you are in the batter position to that's ambulenteries but um 561 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,760 numerus ocations we see that. Also mother academics and 562 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,280 excuseed for have in to do carework attolment as not 563 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,720 haveing to do this carework at the university and like this 564 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:28,400 sitrations no mother academics are sort of expected to stepin 565 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,600 in satituations and do the carework instat to you have and 566 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,240 he that experience is you're incure you're not mother with 567 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,400 academic steps and what do you think what we do is or a 568 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,560 liminate is phänomen. And you know jumpin here with a 569 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:51,760 very context specific anic doed if you will i did not is and i 570 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,240 get it can be because of the context specific we but i did 571 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:59,080 not is the during the covid pandemic in terms of you know 572 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,120 the priority is or who is us to take out the larger part of the 573 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,640 burden, the academic warkapening online i did not is that at 574 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,320 least in my situation and for my callings at the time that the 575 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,800 single woman without children, we're the ons that. 576 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,120 Picking up the brumpt of the work so a speak so you know good 577 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,280 ranging from things like Micking Shore II. 578 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,520 That's some point i have to going to the university to make 579 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,560 shore that one of the professor's who was and know 580 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,840 offering a zoom class with beable to do the zoom class 581 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,760 proberly and have set up the laptop and stop like that or to 582 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,400 set up alsoert of online examination. 583 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,200 Not it's to the point, there was i was feeling super super 584 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,720 isolated and feeling like i know we're go to bring from we're 585 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,320 pricy because i was that one person that didnt have the 586 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,120 children or the partner and just was expected to take on what i 587 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,320 do i don't i don't want to over dramatize that because i did 588 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,080 realize we'll in to the pandemic and probible for to late and we 589 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640 we're all kind of just learning as we're going on that 590 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,920 communication was key there not nasseserity with your hi robs 591 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,440 not nasseserity you know the. Tusion and souls but trily with 592 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,800 just your mother coalics and just haveing my conversation, 593 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,320 they're openly with them very quickly resulted in an alternate 594 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,000 of way to working. That's when be bro together 595 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,680 actually the motherhood and not motherhoods trends of a 596 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,480 conversation and in an inpower inspired as a closing question 597 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,880 and that's asq it. If you can name one change that 598 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,120 we all can contribute to in the culture or everday practice of 599 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,040 international legal academia at what make it is morsestanian 600 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,560 place for moters and non moters academics what with the change 601 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,880 be tony will you like perhaps to start it? 602 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,920 Yeah, so you're one thing is it what we've been toking about 603 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,680 like toking more opely about this experenses not taking it 604 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,600 for for grantes. And really not discurrenting 605 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,400 wemen of bing moters and and exalian legal academia. 606 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,960 I think both is possible and again if we if if you're 607 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,400 generations of or if we are sony with this choice between one or 608 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600 the other then surrealy this with contribute to 609 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,560 invisibalizing. Women in international low so i 610 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,840 get one really this bolum on portrates of women in 611 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,440 international also it's Truck and me in it strucks me how the 612 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:40,040 idea of the international lowyer is this like nutral thing but 613 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,600 that the end is about white man, but if we key porn, you know 614 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,840 thing all it's a chalinging that i'm in we are really 615 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,400 contributing to this shirt of. Nutral ID of the international 616 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,880 lya with the end is like very. It's just about a man on 617 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,880 wightman so of cars and me like like michelle and joes have 618 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,120 beensey here women and me mother what brings a lot of skills and 619 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,080 it also brings a lot of empathy to word feels that are regulator 620 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,920 by international like, for example, migration lo one moms 621 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,520 are also in this experens of my migration. 622 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,280 All so that i the as about PS PS and war for example, in all the 623 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,280 reals like art i can think of get they call of beats and and 624 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,360 her drowings of anti anti war drowings of wiman protecting 625 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,440 there children and this was all all of her experience of lucing 626 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,440 one son in the first world war so we of cars bringing a we 627 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,920 experience of my thirsing how we reserching how we teach. 628 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,560 They should and be be cigulies. It's would be like more opaly 629 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,800 agnolic and it's you don't be relegate to the to the private 630 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,360 bing, I'm mother and again the changes my team for some or i 631 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,240 i'm in many superfitialy that you my team ons or mountable 632 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,560 but. We can't all be corages we man 633 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,120 but i we're partner us what they have to be very patient the 634 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,560 chilrent they also have to what that and i also think for as as 635 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:27,480 we man it's like also be how to the think about it on if and the 636 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,800 legal academies we're fokus on in the beval in the beval 637 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,200 achivment but not to think it as an in the beval achivment with 638 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,520 more of. Of a collective work and a 639 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,920 gradual and a gradual change it mynot.com II think in my 640 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,960 personal in my personal of stands. 641 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,640 Me it, i don't to team it. We we i don't get tenor it's ok, 642 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,120 i we know have we we have to go there this it's can to happen 643 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,080 but a blist i'm me by insisting that it's possible that you help 644 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,240 you help younger generations and we're should we're just also you 645 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:09,760 that we don't happen me, it's it it, it's it's it's it's a more 646 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,800 gradual change because as michelle suggest it's not only 647 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,920 about we man it's a holt institutional thinky it's also 648 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,800 about man. And so it it will need more 649 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880 time, but we have to key one insisting. 650 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520 So if it building on that, i quinnagrimor of the fuck that we 651 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,960 know to open maeagnologmore this invisible forces at play. 652 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,560 That do profite this port and for there's pring on people out 653 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,120 there or this, you know first time post port like not event 654 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,640 just the first timer is, but this post post port um moms your 655 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,840 female academics um this is of corsnotics offs to but your 656 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,240 female academics and baby not all of them. 657 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,200 But buy and large they are you're gigest alice they have 658 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,360 going true it. They are going true it or they 659 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,800 like be thinking of going true it and they'd i liest to me, 660 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,400 we're the biggest bad as support not work that i could have hope 661 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,040 for i have for the air is of labor and i was an a chat with 662 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,680 that least ten female academics that literity poled me true that 663 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,080 inspired me infurge me to heat going. 664 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,880 And they're otherity of lifting and one of there's imperticular 665 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,640 and all the frame from nameing, but i think that and you're 666 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,040 crusion poline of your conreately one of the things 667 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,920 that i don't not see coming but has been complate mind blowing. 668 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,920 Factor in in this post parmum phase is that this one woman 669 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,240 that you know any workshop any event that I'm organizing that i 670 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,640 am some have the alter of your baby is welcome and low in be 671 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,680 holt i want to my word first workshop two days a go and rob 672 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,880 baby Sophia and is it deficaled shore, it's it's defical, but if 673 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,520 we starting this more as a community ruther that you know 674 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,400 this individualisticking that moters have to go to or pregnum 675 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,720 persons have to go to and then maybe in do cors there will be 676 00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:01,760 some form. Call you and god know is that 677 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,760 haveing my baby. There is a got them god 678 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,840 herminder of why i'm in this feel to be can with. 679 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,160 You're thinks choice antonia just to read rate what you're 680 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,400 have set. I'll be i'll end we're are i be 681 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,120 going we just to say that i think it's an important prozess 682 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,400 and important part of the word fulls that we all they to be a 683 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,360 we're all and a we all they to word to to to. 684 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,560 To make a reality that woman who are that modus can be part of 685 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,760 international will academia and for that i've really one a 686 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,800 cooped all mail alice and incurage man as muches woman to 687 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,840 be supportive of newmoms and modus and pragnancy. 688 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,040 The number of times of have to pull a aredal out of my handbag 689 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,480 when lena looking this for for a powerpoint präsentation will 690 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,120 something outs in a in a in a workplace all have to consisting 691 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,080 me juggle the demons of mothercud was working. 692 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:07,200 In in the workfols and not feel ital as there, i was doing that 693 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,440 isolated from my mail kollegs. I think it's relate important. 694 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,040 I think it's important that man realize that it's not just a 695 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,960 woman sting you know the hole pregnancy in motherhood sonaria 696 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,560 that actually they're in the way they you know they geting to do 697 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,120 that job without it. Is if that have children is 698 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,520 because the the mother is with the children, so if if there 699 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,960 work and they got kids of home and some of this is the we've 700 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,640 there's children and it's you know i going to like the to be 701 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,120 it is a mom or a baby sit or or anany more of to the not you was 702 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,960 a all so a woman so i think it's about insuring that as not just 703 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:58,800 possible this bekommes and. Is you with mancy as as in Polen 704 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,720 as women do and I'm grateful for the malcolics i have who's being 705 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,760 generali feminist in there a proge to the word place in the 706 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,240 work falson I've never make me feel is there for any rason i 707 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:16,320 can't refuse work or i'm going to be some how you don't look to 708 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,240 the as a result of being in mother I'm very lucky in very 709 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,760 fortunate and that i do have a tenit position it so us and. 710 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600 I have no at a andy stage, you're my tonbat be in my to 711 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,080 feel that the next steps in my carrier with be provented i've 712 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,320 be provented from from going to will professorship as result of 713 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,400 have in children, but i think i I'm still I'm ongs to my nargy 714 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,600 in in Academia in in feeling that problidge and I'm very 715 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,680 where that so I'm as not in on the kit for women's rights as 716 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,440 i've really we all should be. And i and i Herd mal mal 717 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,080 workplace is will amulate some of the the policies that so us 718 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,680 has it place to mc that happen, but never the last. 719 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,800 I think yeah, it's it's there. I want to about get it man on 720 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,720 board because i think it's to reased for us to think all well, 721 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,320 it's just women that they to for to had and and me the the path 722 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,160 for it. I think everyone that's you to 723 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,800 to do that regardas of gendar or identity. 724 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,800 Thank you very not here we shadow tinian toys for sharing 725 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,200 with us your respektive experience, but also your ideas 726 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,000 on how we will can make the internationaly galakademium more 727 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,240 inklusive space so when we find this this conversation that's 728 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,920 like it is hapon thank you very what. 729 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,640 Thank you for joining thanks very but. 730 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,400 We'll this was very interview and. 731 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,000 It what you think a stape of do you see see i think. 732 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,160 That go with stap with me, particularly long have to it 733 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400 this. I was this tandes rek mark 734 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,240 recarding the existing academic leak assistent what essentialy 735 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:16,200 prasers to perform like aphits. Or some how expected to heat, 736 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,520 sert and milestones very arly on in our academic life, and we're 737 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,920 kind of light to the assumption at motherhood is a bird and that 738 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,440 was stand in our pay so me be d's important to rebell ergänzt 739 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,480 this systems requirements and the expected pays of are of our 740 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,200 work of the roll we on fugger x blog of o we's advocated for 741 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,240 slow academia and academia that is last orcheston speed and 742 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:45,680 morph august quality. What is is in your mind polina 743 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,040 i. Think but i'd like to reflect on 744 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,520 a beatlongar is that michelle dan choice highlight it that 745 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,720 traditional so was no problem of Reconsiling your mother holt was 746 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,400 an academic aria because academics for a man and just 747 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,640 daniels unoted event two of three generations a go man you 748 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,160 of the choices and live basses that we can discust to day we're 749 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,960 simpleing no to vailable to be man. 750 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,080 And you know at voker it's voker we have this symposium could the 751 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,640 person behind academic, which in interview series with academics 752 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,120 tries to bring to the fofront the individual behind the 753 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,000 scolary works are interests, there background et cetera, but 754 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,360 in the context of to days diskussion, this phase actually 755 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,120 takes on the digital minion because historicly the person 756 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,880 behind academic was off to the woman, the onthou provided car. 757 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,840 How that we think to get a made it bossible for the mail 758 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:51,760 academics to drive so perhaps will out as always fully note is 759 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,560 in it. We're all in historical terms 760 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,880 navigate in the relative the new terrain and that is persise a 761 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,400 buy we new to more conversations like we have to da. 762 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,600 Ja, that's that's feri just think and i think feria i can't 763 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,560 just a conclusion. And we that i think we fridge 764 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,200 the at of the days episode. 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