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We're looking forward to it. Here we go, folks.
Let's do this. And ladies and gentlemen, we are
joined today by a Republican Party legend, Roger Stone.
He's going to come on and tell you because many of you know the
name and you know almost nothing else.
So, Mr. Stone, thank you so much for I feel like I have to call
you Mr. Stone. Is that appropriate?
No, Call me Roger, because I'm old, but I'm not that old.
I feel like it. In my generation, it was always
a term of respect, but but I can appreciate that.
All right, I will. I will obey by that.
Roger, will you tell us where you grew up?
I think a lot of people have a sense of your name, but they
know nothing about the man and how you got to the point where
you're sitting here wearing this hat.
So where did you grow up and where are you from?
I'm originally from the New York City suburbs.
I grew up in Connecticut in an Italian American family.
My parents were a blue collar workers.
My father was a well, digger. My mother did part time
reporting for a. Local newspaper kind of doing
community notes. And they were Democrats
originally, but over time they they became, I think through my
own activism, they became more attuned to the Republican Party.
So they were what we used to call Reagan Democrats who were
originally Nixon Democrats. I myself am a veteran of 13.
National Republican presidential campaigns.
And I admit to you at one time I was a full-fledged member of the
swamp. I was a very prominent Inside
the Beltway Washington insider in the old Republican Party in I
worked for Richard Nixon, who was my mentor, still one of our
greatest presidents. You know he ended the war in
Vietnam, ended the military draft, saved Israel in the 1973
Yom Kippur War from absolute annihilation by air, dropping
$37 million worth of lethal aid to the Israelis.
Negotiated a Strategic Arms Limitation agreement with the
Soviets. Opened the door to China at a
time that China. Was a backwards, dirt poor,
agrarian society in order to skillfully play them off against
the Russians. There was no way for Nixon to
see that 30 years later. The Bushes.
Would give them most favored nation trading status and the
Clintons would sell them illegally our most sensitive
defense secrets, including our missile targeting technology,
which is really what those two things have made them the danger
they are today anyway. I fell out with the Country Club
Republican Party. Of the Bushes and in 1979 I met
a man named Donald J Trump and that changed my entire political
perspective. So although I am a conservative
for sure, although I am a more libertarian oriented
conservative, a very freedom oriented conservative, I
eventually figured out that the whole Republican, Democrat left
right thing. It's kind of a Hegelian device
that is used to divide us, used to confuse us.
That doesn't mean that there aren't good men and women in the
Republican Party. There are.
There are some. I'll give you an example.
Senator Rand Paul is a Great American.
His father, Congressman Ron Paul, is a Great American.
But the Trump movement, the America First movement, really
constituted the. Hostile takeover of the
Republican Party. I have been in the forefront of
that. I'm also New York Times best
selling author. My book, The Man Who Killed
Kennedy. The Case Against LBJ makes the
compelling case that that there was a cabal which murdered John
F Kennedy that included Vice President Lyndon Johnson, the
man who had the most to gain. The Central Intelligence Agency,
the FBI, the Secret Service, organized crime, Big Texas, oil,
and so on. Very proud of that
accomplishment. I took that book to six
different publishers. Kyle and everyone of them told
me that it had no commercial appeal and nobody would ever buy
it. It's a New York Times best
selling book that, with any luck, will send my great
grandson to college if it used to sell.
So, and I think I, you know, to kind of summarize The Who I am
part of this, as I think most people know, I was targeted by
Robert Mueller because of my closeness to Donald Trump.
And they basically hooked up a completely ridiculous,
fabricated indictment indictment claiming that I lied underoath
to Congress in my voluntary testimony to the House
Intelligence Committee. When there was no Russian
collusion to lie about what would be my motive to lie?
Well, you lied to cover up for right for Donald Trump.
Cover up what? What was it I was covering up?
As the Durham report finally proves to us something, I
already knew there was no Russian collusion.
What they really wanted to do was to pressure me into
testifying falsely against Donald Trump.
I refuse to do that. My wife and I went through 2 1/2
years of hell. You know what that's like?
The economic pressure. The personal pressure, the
stress. But I still refuse to lie.
I wasn't going to lie. And ultimately, although you'll
have a hard time finding this on the Internet, President Trump
not only recognized that I was a target of political persecution,
he not only committed my sentence, but he also gave me a
full, unconditional presidential pardon.
That last part is almost impossible to find online.
It's it's been buried willfully. So it's oh, you're a convicted
felon. Well, you know what?
Martin Luther King was a convicted felon.
Jesus Christ was a convicted felon.
It's a it's just, you know, it's just vicious left wing name
calling is what it is. It's kind of incredible how,
first of all, your story arc is wild and I think many people are
are hearing some of those things and seeing all the bullet points
that you just touched in history and and they just go, Oh my God,
you're you're an observer to so many things.
But also you're exactly right. Like there's some pretty good
company that have been so-called convicted felons over history.
And especially when it was about political persecution, when I
was at the Bureau and I was at the Quantico, that they were
teaching us, you know, that you never would do a standalone,
what's called 1001 charge or false statements.
It's like, and then there also has to be an underlying crime
that you'd be a lot like, why were you being investigated?
Right. So you just pointed all that
out. But I want to go a little bit
further back. One of the things you said that
piqued my interest, you said I was like a full-fledged or
confirmed member of the swamp. Can you talk about it, your
understanding of what that looks like?
How are you part of it and what was it?
Well, so after Ronald Reagan was elected, Reagan was our last
outsider president prior to that, and he was not like, what?
Like Donald Trump. He was not the choice of the
Washington Republican elite. He was not the choice of the
Rhinos. He was thought to be a too
extreme, too conservative, not electable all of that.
Turned out to be false. I was a partner at Black,
Manafort and Stone, which was one of the first premier
political consulting and public affairs operations.
The company did do lobbying, although I myself very did very
little, Almost no lobbying. But we were the premier inside
the Beltway firm then when the transfer of power was set.
From Reagan to Bush, this was something I could not buy.
I never thought that the Bushes were conservatives.
I never thought they were honest.
I was concerned to this day as I write in my book The Bush Crime
Family. Another Amazon bestseller.
I believe that that George Bush and the Bushes, George HW Bush,
were deeply involved in the attempted assassination of
Ronald Reagan. So I became disaffected from the
Washington insiders, many of whom I had worked with and many
of whom I had seen up close. And of course, I was vilified.
Because I started suggesting to Donald Trump that he run for
president as early as 1988. I want him to run in 1988.
I want him to run in 2000. I want him to run in 2012.
I finally, I was successful, among others, in convincing him
and running in 2016. And I think that that he is, not
only was he already among our greatest presidents, but I think
he is potentially going to be one of our greatest presidents.
Again, there's only one man in history, one president, Grover
Cleveland, a New Yorker, A conservative Democrat actually,
who was elected president, then failed to be reelected in a
disputed election, then returned to the White House.
So it can be done. It has been done.
The question is only can it be done in time to save the country
given the disastrous policies of the current administration.
I'm, I'm sort of embarrassed to say that I don't remember the
search, the circumstances around Grover Cleveland and what was
happening at that time. What was that?
What was the backdrop in the country that happened during
that contested and his, you know, on and off?
You had a huge fight over over our monetary system and whether
the dollar should be backed with gold or silver.
It was a defining issue of the day.
Many people thought that the presidency had been stolen from
Cleveland, who was very Who would actually been the governor
of New York, been the mayor of Buffalo, been the sheriff, I
think, of Erie County, New York. He was known for his honesty,
but he was an outsider. Much like Donald Trump, although
he was a Democrat. Point I guess is just that there
is a historical precedent and we're in a race, in my opinion,
against time because the policies of this administration,
these are not, you know, these are not mistakes.
These are not, I'll conceived ideas, well meaning, but
misguided policies. This is a willful effort.
To destroy our country. To flood our country with the
illegals who bring with them drugs and pestilence and crime.
To continue to print money like there is no tomorrow.
We seem more concerned with the borders of Ukraine than with our
own borders. And now I think we are very
swiftly moving towards A2 front war.
We are on the cusp, in my opinion, of.
World War Three and this administration seems to be
prepared to move us there very quickly.
So I really fear for the country and I obviously deeply
concerned. About the weaponization of our
judicial system and our law enforcement agencies and our
intelligence agencies. Because they are the only ones
who can stop Donald Trump from being elected president.
If we have a free, fair, honest, transparent election, Trump will
win this election handsomely. They seek to destroy him through
a series of prosecutions, both at the state and federal level.
That, I think, is unprecedented and extraordinarily dangerous.
I have been in that DC meat grinder.
I know exactly what this is like.
I predicted back in April that the judge in DC would in fact.
Issue a gag order against Donald Trump which prevents him from
defending himself in public in any public forum, including
social media. The judge has now done that.
The fact that she stated pending a hearing does not change my
view that she will ultimately order that, that gag order,
which I think is very deleterious to his campaign and
really dangerous for the First Amendment.
There there's this concept, and I know it comes from people like
Saul Alinsky talking about Rules for Radicals, but even more
simply that they there's always this push to do something at a
sort of radical and extreme, push the envelope and then pull
back to a position that is less extreme but still untenable.
And they act like that's moderation.
And it feels like the the this Obama appointee judge has kind
of done that with this hearing. Maybe.
And if you want to reflect on that, I've got a I've got AI
want to know about the inside, 'cause you talked about some
transitions that I think are going to be fascinating to
people, but if you have thoughts on that.
First of all, the Trump's lawyers filed a motion for a
stay. So I believe I'm not an
attorney, but I believe the judge is essentially required to
hold a hearing and she'll do that.
But, but the the arguments that his free speech rights should
not be infringed because he is a candidate for president, among
other reasons, has already been rejected by this judge and I
suspect. That is, that he will be gagged.
In my case, the judge issued A gag order on me.
The punitive reason for this was that my defending myself on what
by then was my anemic social media following.
Because I was banned for life on Twitter, now known as XI, was
banned for life on Facebook. I was banned for life on
Instagram. I really had no forum to defend
myself, but the reason I had to be I had to be gagged was
because I might taint the jury pool through the defense of
myself. The problem with that is that in
my case, the judge left the gag order on me after I was
convicted when I was awaiting sentencing.
And after I was sentenced, awaiting the date to be
incarcerated, So it's pretty clear that the goal was to just
silence me, period. In other words, let's gag him
before we lynch him. That's kind of the way it works
in DC We did learn after the trial that the jury forewoman in
my trial, the one who said during jury selection that she
had no idea who I was if she was unfamiliar with my case.
Had in fact been attacking me and President Trump on both
Twitter and Facebook, but kept those attacks on me in a private
setting and then tried to quietly delete them after the
trial was over and I had been convicted.
Thanks to the journalist Mike Cernovich, we learned about that
should have been, by all legal basis, grounds for, at a
minimum, a new trial, although a new trial.
After I spent three and a half million dollars that I had to
raise penny by penny for, my defense would have been
impossible to finance and probably would have had given
the jury pool in DC and the animus of the judge probably
would have had the exact same result.
I still should have been entitled to a new trial, but
here's what I learned in DC the rules, the evidence, the
Constitution. The facts, reality, none of
these things matter. They just they don't matter.
Not not in the District of Columbia.
Even today, after church, I take my family to lunch and I have
some bozo calling me a Russian spy and a Russian traitor.
The government produced no evidence whatsoever at my trial
that I was in touch with any Russians or the and the one
conversation I did have with Gustafer 2.0, who the
intelligence agencies insist is a Russian asset.
Took place months after the WikiLeaks had already published
the alleged hacked information from the DNC.
So it's after the fact impossible to therefore for me
to have colluded with him. By the way, the contents of our
28 word exchange on Twitter Direct Messages is completely
innocuous. As you put, you put it best,
there is no underlying crime. What was the underlying crime?
What what was the motive for me to lie?
I did make misstatements, but they're they're all completely
irrelevant. They're minor.
It was just an effort essentially to find some basis
to charge me so I could be pressured to turn on Trump.
That's because they found no evidence of Russian collusion,
so they had to try to manufacture it.
Sure. And people are now becoming
aware in the same way that they're seeing that the FBI uses
sort of entrapment cases that are morally equivalent, if not
legally equivalent in the counterterrorism case.
They're doing the same thing, these perjury traps that people
are finding. And and you and Michael Flynn
and some of the others were sort of victims of it.
OK, I want to, I want to dig back into something.
You just said that there's basically no concept of
Constitution facts. They don't play by the law in
DC. How long do you think that's
been the case in the DC court system?
It is certainly been true since Obama became president.
I mean, you used to have. It's very hard to find a
Republican judge or or or a partisan judge there.
I mean, for example, when I was gagged, I believe that my gag
was unconstitutional. I still do.
So we found a writ of mandamus which was the only.
Legal way to challenge it. And the Circuit Court sat on
that for eight months. That's eight months in which I'm
taking, you know, incoming from CNNMSNBC and the Washington
Post, all the dominant news media within the jurisdiction
where I was going to go to trial, then literally days
before my trial was to begin. The Circuit Court ruled that it
my motion, my rid of mandamus was not ripe for a decision
because I had not eight months previously asked the judge who
put the gag order on me to remove it, which of course she
would never have done anyway, so they stall.
It's a perfect example. That's why I am not optimistic,
even though the judge in DC has, I guess, scheduling hearings
over the current gag order. Donald Trump needs to be very,
very, very careful. They would like nothing better.
Then to charge him with violating A gag order as a
pretext to incarcerate him prior to trial.
I know that fine people find that hard to believe.
They should. It is.
It's reality. It makes perfect sense to me.
My friends and I have a very simple statement about this.
The process is the punishment. And you've experienced it.
I know we've experienced it, but I think Donald Trump is
experiencing it too. It's a weaponized process.
And so it doesn't matter if you go through the right steps.
There's always some technical, you know, violation that they're
going to find and they're going to be able to get the outcome
they're looking for. I want to, I want to trigger
back to something you said earlier.
You talked about the transition from Reagan to Bush.
And I think that is a probably a fascinating, a a a fascinating
look behind the curtain that many people do not have access
to. And you, you were in a unique
position to see. So can you talk about the the
sort of discussions, the the meetings maybe the letters or
the phone calls that were taking place to hand power from one
organization from 1 regime to the next and what those
decisions were made on and who made them and and when they
decided like this is the next candidate we're going to push
forward and how and why? Because a lot of that, that
insider baseball, nobody ever sees it, and maybe nobody ever
will if it's not talked about. And you know it's been written
about, but it's not accessible in a form where you know you,
you're a you're a first hand participant in some of that
stuff, I imagine. Well, the crucial decision, in
my opinion, goes back to the Republican National Convention
in I guess it would have been Detroit.
And it was at that juncture that Ronald Reagan had decimated
George HW Bush. Now George HW Bush had lost two
races for the US Senate in Texas.
Had existed politically on the basis of a bunch of
appointments, first by a President Nixon, who had a
political debt of gratitude to George HW Bush's father, Senator
Prescott Bush, who was a partner at Brown Brothers Harriman, and
also the US Senator from my native state of Connecticut and
later Gerald Ford. George HW Bush became CIA
director under Gerald Ford only on the condition.
Mission that he signed an agreement that he would not be a
candidate for president or vice president in 1976.
Bush senior always resented that, thought that, but that
Gerald Ford's chief of staff, Don Rumsfeld, later Secretary of
Defense, had maneuvered to to keep Bush out of the vice
presidential sweepstakes and thus out of the line of
succession. When the political directors for
Ronald Reagan met and there were ten of us to talk about who
should be vice president, there was not a single person who
supported the appointment of George Bush.
Not one. Yet two nights later, Reagan had
become persuaded by pollsters and others in the party that he
needed suburban, moderate votes and that George Bush could help
him get those. And that is when I think the
fatal decision was made. That was when Ronald Reagan
essentially breathed life back into the dead political career
of George HW Bush. The chemistry between the
Reagans and the Bushes was never good.
Reagan did not have much respect for Bush because he had
vanquished him in the famous Nashua debate of 1980.
But if you want to pinpoint. The exact point in which those
who really had controlled the country since 1963 upon the
assassination of John F Kennedy. Strangely enough, although a
millionaire. Also your last, your previous
outsider president. Not the choice of the Washington
Power establishment, although very popular in the media.
I would, I would tag it. To the rise of George HW Bush,
who spoke openly about the New World Order.
That's what we're experiencing right now.
This is the New World order that he was speaking about.
As I said, I've written an entire book on this called The
Bush Crime Family. It's available at stonezone.com.
You should check it out A 100% and and all this stuff is so
fascinating that you think about.
There was a time when the media and the so-called establishments
were not the same thing. At some point they fused.
Do you know, do you have a sense of when that happened, when they
kind of got in line and got their marching orders issued
from the same place? It's very hard to put your
fingers about it, about it. They were always more
establishment oriented than not. But there were outliers and the
media had a greater balance. So there were more conservative
media outlets. There were more liberal media
outlets. Today, it'd be very hard put to
pinpoint a conservative order entered national newspaper.
There are none that exist. But we also know, and has now
been documented, that the Central Intelligence Agency
invested. A lot of money and time into
infiltrating and buying media assets under Operation
Mockingbird. No, this is not a conspiracy
theory. You know the guy.
It's interesting. The guy who blurted this out was
Carl Bernstein. Woodward and Bernstein, of
course, were the two celebrated Washington Post reporters who
created the false narrative surrounding Watergate.
But when? Bernstein began to believe that
Woodward was going to cut him out of a lot of the profits from
the book All the President's Men, as well as the movie he
published, a very important and I think Seminole piece in
Rolling Stone magazine, which was as left wing then as it is
today, outlying. Operation Mockingbird basically
saying if you guys are going to cut me out of the money, well,
I'm going to expose your entire phony deal.
The point people need to understand today is that the
people who are claiming to practice journalism at the
Washington Post, at the New York Times, at any of the three
networks, particularly ABC. These people are all government
paid for or government controlled assets.
Every single bit of them. Ken Dilanian, for example, at at
NBC was fired by the Chicago Tribune for clearing his stories
with with Langley, with the CIA, long time CIA operating even
today. Now he would tell you what could
go wrong with that, Roger? What could?
What could go wrong with just making sure the government's
cool with your stories? Particularly, you're probably on
their payroll. Even try to convince you he's
just an honest reporter. I have a very good friend who
recently left NBC, had a very storied career as a journalist.
And was an honest reporter. Literally had no biases.
I think called him as he saw them.
Took a job at NBC, didn't last six months.
Came away saying this isn't this isn't journalism.
This isn't a news outlet. This is a propaganda front and
that is really the case. So it's and of course they
weaponize the the Internet, particularly Google.
So sure, I'm very well known, but if you put my name into
Google in a news search or even a web search, the 1st 45 pages
will be 100% negative and we'll give you a number of false
impressions. Sorry, no one ever produced any
evidence of Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration on my
part. In fact, Kyle, it's more
incredible than that on November 3rd, 2020, which is Election
Day, the busiest news day of the year.
Because a federal judge ordered it, the Department of Justice
was forced to release the last remaining long redacted and
hidden sections of Robert Mueller's final report, in which
he admitted that he found no evidence of Russian collusion or
WikiLeaks collaboration or any other crime on my part.
And even if he had found. You know, conversation between
me and them, which he did not. It would not necessarily have
been illegal. You know where that was
reported? Virtually nowhere.
Zero Hedge covered it. The Gateway Pundit covered it.
That's about it. So all those news outlets that
continue to insist that Stone was convicted of being a Russian
spy, a traitor, which is 100% false, they have never repeated
that, Even Mueller's report. Contradicts that.
It's galling, but it's part of life.
No, it's it's hard to stomach a lot of those.
And I've seen my friends smeared and I've seen you smeared and
and you know, I think a lot of people in my generation right
now, I'm in my early 40s. We look at it and we assume that
whatever the mainstream media is saying, we sort of set our our
clocks the opposite and assume that's probably the case, which
is probably the safest bet right now.
But being able to manipulate, being able to get, maybe not
manipulate is the right word, but being able to help guide
media narrative has always been part of political strategy.
It's always been part of what's been going on.
And I'll tell you kind of a quick story from my father, who
grew up in the news business and was at KCBS when Reagan was
elected. He mentioned to me that Reagan
would bring all of these once a week.
They would bring in a bunch of local reporters from all over
the country to sit down and have breakfast or dinner or lunch at
the White House and have access to the staff in a way that many
people have never seen. And which was a brilliant move,
by the way, because it built a lot of goodwill and it allowed
him to bring his message direct. Do you know who was involved in
allowing and sort of doing that and then setting up that sort of
decision process? And then has it gotten
weaponized from there that that sort of cozy relationship to to
whatever we see right now? What was your father, Bury
Serafin? No, his name is Charlie Serafin.
That's right. I misspoke.
Pardon me. Got it.
Look, I think that that there was a lot more access back in
the in the 80s. I think everything was less
controlled. More recently the press is
monolithic and they're completely lockstep.
There's a one decided narrative and if you disagree with that
narrative you're you're censored.
The irony here is there's the people who want to censor us in
violation of the 1st Amendment. The people who want to deny us
due process in violation of the 4th Amendment.
The people who want to mandatorily vaccinate us in
violation of the 3rd Amendment. I believe it is the people who
would like to cancel the Second Amendment.
They say that we are a danger to democracy.
The people who are who are searching us without warrants.
And as you know, there have been thousands of those now
determined. Those are the people who say
that we, not they, but we are the danger to democracy.
So it's you're right. It's right out of Alinsky's
rules. It's exactly backwards as to
what is really happening. When did the left start using
the word democracy the way they're doing right now?
Because we have a constitutional Republic and all of us on the
right that push back say that. But they it seems like every
single person's got the exact same word in their mouth, and
it's always a danger to our democracy, whether it be Biden
or whether it be Pelosi or anybody else.
They're just harping this democracy thing like we have a
majority rules in this country, which we obviously don't.
Well, it's part of their talking points, just like people like us
are white supremacists, which of course we're not, or that we're
Christian nationalists. Although that was a little
harder to break apart because yes, I am a Christian and yes, I
am a nationalist. If that means you're proud of
your country and you and you support the Constitution.
But name calling, Particularly name calling people who've been
gagged. Or censored is really their
their standard operating procedure at this point.
No, it definitely seems that and it's effective for the people
that want to hear that message that don't want to go outside of
the the sort of approved channels for the narrative.
You mentioned Gateway Pundit. You mentioned who was the other
group that the Epoch Times has been doing.
Some kind. Of times there's a handful of
very good journalistic operations out there.
But the stone zone? Stone zone, Clearly.
Stonezone.com One of the best. The point, of course, is that
you just channeled a little Donald Trump right there.
I heard it. Yeah, just just just go go look
for any of their stories in your SCO search, in your, in your, in
your Google search. And they're, if they're there at
all, gateway pundits, not there at all.
It's buried. So they they manipulate, you
know, people's access to information even when it exists.
Yeah, maybe you can talk about kind of the rise of this
alternative version of media and sort of the importance I think
that's that's facing our country with it.
It's why, for example, your podcast, I think is very, very
important. I encourage people to not only
watch it, but to tell other people about it so they watch
it. The bottom line of it is, at
least for the short term, no one controls the Internet.
There are large companies that control software that is in very
common use on the Internet, so it allows them to dominate the
Internet. But until they begin taking away
UR LS, which of course could happen, there are still beacons
out there where you can learn the truth.
We have talked about several of them and therefore it's
important that people. And not only do what you and I
do every day, which is to have a Daily Show, I'd also do a WABC
New York radio show every weekend at wabcradio.com from
4:00 to 6:00 Eastern Time. It's important to have these
these outlets that tell an alternative version of of of
what's going on based on truth, based on facts.
But they make it harder and harder.
They also put severe economic pressure on you.
So to this day, although I'm back on Twitter, now known as X,
and I'm there under Roger J. Stone Junior.
And I'm glad to be there. I make no bones about it.
I'm still banned for life on Facebook.
By the way, there is a Roger Stone on Facebook uses the bio
that I have up at at X, uses my photo from X.
But that is not me. I do not follow that person or
persons because it is not me. Believe me, if I set up a
profile on Facebook, it would be taken down tomorrow.
Not really sure what the purpose of this fake.
Profile is, but believe me, it is there.
Same is also true of Instagram now.
What's weird is they never tell you why you're banned.
Just one day you just disappear. You're just unavailable.
They. Don't even notify you.
And of course, my first instinct was to try to sue them.
And then I learned they're essentially unsuable because
they're a private company. And now, as you know, there's a
case going to the Supreme Court as to whether the government can
be actively involved in pressuring or urging the social
media giants to suppress information.
Suppressing information is that's dangerous to our
Republic. The point is, they want to crack
down on disinformation or misinformation, but that
presumes that they're the they're the arbiters of what is
misinformation or disinformation, which is of
course not true. For example, just to give you
one perfect example, the Ukrainians are kicking the
daylights out of the Russians in that war.
No military expert I know, no general.
Nobody in the military, retired or or active, tells me that that
is the case. But that's the prevailing
narrative and if you want to go on any place on media and say
otherwise, well, you're going to be censored.
Yeah, yeah, of course you are. And and I agree, I have friends
who are also in been frontline there and said that it's awful.
It's atrocious. So that's kind of sad too.
I want to I want to dig into something.
It's not really conspiracy, but I think it actually is.
The things that people think are in a very conspiratorial tone.
We talk about things like the deep state, which I like to call
the administrative state. I think it's a little less sexy
and I think it's a little more accurate.
But I'm curious about your experience with it.
You've obviously been a victim of government agency
weaponization, and I think that's pretty well documented.
If people want to go and find their own information and dig
into it, tell me about what you see as maybe the rise of the
deep state, how it how it came about, and and the way that it's
actually implemented from your perspective on a political
operative as a strategist. Well, I think President Dwight
Eisenhower was the first one to warn us this was coming.
He called it the military industrial complex.
It is basically the consolidation of power between
both parties, of the politicians in Washington, the think tanks,
the defense contractors, and all of those who have an interest in
both control and money. It dominates both parties.
Took me a long time to see that. I mean, I'm a former.
The young Republican National chairman.
I have a abiding, sentimental attachment to the old Republican
Party of, you know, Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower,
Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, who I work for in 3 presidential
campaigns, Senator Bob Dole, a great veteran, Great American
and of course, Donald Trump. So it took me a while to figure
out that there's really one party in Washington that's the
Yuna party. And they control everything,
including their allies in the media.
Now whether they control the media, whether the media
controls them, we could argue about that all day.
But there is there is one ruling elite.
And the perfect example of their power, of course, would be the
entire COVID-19 pandemic situation and how it unfolded.
Will people fall in line again for a second pandemic?
Remains to be seen. They don't seem to make many
bones about the fact that they are planning one or that one is
about to affect us. So it is.
It's not a conspiracy theory to believe that they're all in it
together. That's because they are.
That's why there is one narrative.
But it's also important to note that Donald Trump constitutes an
existential threat to these people.
Why? He is completely and totally
uncontrollable. He's his own man.
He sees everything through the through the prism of America
First. Is it?
Is it in America's best interest?
Does it put American interests 1st?
And he has risen to a level of popularity in the country based
on his America First populism that makes him extraordinarily
dangerous. They know that they have to hit
him off before the next election because if he wins the next
election, he's going to clean house.
He's going to return to a government that is committed to
America, first principles and the Constitution of the United
States. And that is why they are moving
heaven and earth to destroy him even as we speak.
I heard you say power and control, which I think are
probably related or maybe the same thing you said Donald Trump
being uncontrollable and you also mentioned money with the
military industrial complex, the deep state.
Is it that simple? Is it just about power and money
and control? It?
Really. It really is.
You know, those people say, well, is it, is it ideological?
It is ideological in the sense that it is antithetical to
freedom. But you know, it is.
It is left and right. So the neocons, those who pursue
endless foreign war, those who have squandered both our money
and our treasure abroad? No, no party.
They're in both parties. But really what they're about is
money and control. Control of the people and vast
profits. The contract to to vaccinate
members of the US military was a $9 billion contract.
Perhaps that's what COVID-19 was all about.
I think a lot of people think that money was certainly the
root for that. We saw a bunch of billionaires
come out out of nowhere. We saw a bunch of local
businesses crush. So that would make a lot of
sense to me. I'm kind of curious.
We're talking about a uniparty. We're talking about a swamp.
We're talking about sort of a politically entrenched ideology.
When you start getting down those those topic lines, a lot
of people in America that have started to get more and more
fringe because they don't have any of the the tethers of
institutions to believe in anymore.
They they're all delegitimized. They start going to places like
Illuminati, a secret societies, families.
There's always been legends and rule about that.
Can you speak about any of those?
Did you ever see that when you were running around in DC as as
kind of a member of the establishment that this was what
was controlling things? I I actually never did.
Because you see, I think it exists.
I think these institutions exist.
I don't think it is as formal as some of our friends think it is.
So no, it's not like all the billionaire sit around a big
Oval table and decide what to do together.
They have their own internal rivalries.
The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers fought over money
and control themselves. So I don't think it is.
It is one tightly controlled conspiracy, so much as it is a
confluence of power in the hands of people who think uniformly
and therefore you have essentially the same result.
But I don't think the Illuminati gives out membership cards, for
example. I really appreciate that answer
because it's the same thing that I saw in government agencies.
You don't need to be told to act the way that Steve Baker did.
For example, when he was was a Steve Baker, Jim Baker who was
over at the DOJ and then at FBI and then went over to Twitter,
he just act in accordance because he was always a DOJ guy.
Of course he was going to act, you know, and help out DOJ.
He didn't need to have that that secret memo pushed over to him
and uses decoder ring. So I guess the question is this,
I've got a microphone, you've got a microphone, you got a
radio show, you got books out people can you know, you're out
there actively trying to inform people and sharing that.
What is the average Joe in this country who's looking around
saying this is not the America I grew up in?
This is not what I want to see happening.
How do they make tangible movement towards a freedom and
make sure that we actually have an election in 2024, which I've
got friends saying it may not even happen that way?
And how do they, how do they move the needle on an individual
basis so we can all kind of collectively?
Maybe get back to some sanity. Well, first and foremost, people
need to not give up. They do not.
They need to not look at the situation, say this is hopeless.
Things are so controlled there is no hope for America.
Secondarily, the role of prayer in my own life, which I've
talked pretty openly about and which I'm mocked relentlessly
about on the Internet because I've declared my redemption in
Jesus Christ. I don't really care what those
people think. I really only care what what he
thinks. That is an important part of
this. But people need to stay
involved. They need to be involved in
politics. They need to go out and be
involved in the local school board.
They need to be involved and the local county Commission.
They need to not give up on America and they need to stay
informed. Beyond that, we have to see how
things unfold. It's amazing that with the
tsunami of law fair against Donald Trump and the absolute
vituperation and attacks on him on a daily basis, he continues
to lead Joe Biden both nationally and in all of the
swing states, not to mention having a double digit lead for
the Republican nomination. So that is a testimony to the
fact that people aren't stupid and they realize that we're
headed towards $10 a gallon gas, that there's a 76% increase in
the cost of groceries, that we're experiencing crippling
inflation, that the average income continues to plummet, and
that we are more concerned with the borders in Ukraine then we
are with sealing our own borders.
We are majority. We should not lose sight of
that. People need to stay involved,
they need to continue to pray and they need to continue to be
active. Whatever you do, do not check
out, do not decide, oh, this is all untenable, this is all, this
is all impossible. What would have happened if
George Washington's ragtag army has said that at Valley Forge?
The idea that that that that that army of misfits could take
on the finest, most precise military machine on the face of
the Earth, the British Army in seven in 1776?
That's unthinkable. Perhaps it requires some divine
intervention. But it did happen, and it gave
us the greatest country on Earth.
A country that is worth standing for.
A country that is worth fighting.
And I don't mean physically fighting, because that's the
first thing they said. And then lastly, and this, I
think is key, and you can speak to this, people need to be not
goaded into senseless or stupid acts for which you can be
charged. They would like nothing better
than to blame us for acts of violence or acts of lawlessness.
And people need to make their protests civil, legal and
orderly. I think that is absolutely key.
Discernment is one of those pieces that a lot that kind of
leads you to these proper actions.
You talked about your prayer life.
Could you kind of give us a taste of what you what you pray
for at night when you close your eyes?
Well, look, I prayed that the President would recognize that I
was being politically persecuted and the Lord answered my prayers
in terms of both the commutation of my sentence before I was to
be put in prison for four years. The government wanted to put me
away for seven to nine years. They wanted to give me extra
time because I dare question the validity of the Russian
collusion hoax. About that.
I also, in all honesty, my wife was stricken with stage 4 cancer
shortly after I was pardoned, which I think was brought on by
the stress of the attack on me and our family and the fact that
we lost everything. Our home, our savings of my car,
my freedom to travel, my freedom to speak openly.
It's a it's a tremendously stressful situation.
You are familiar with it. I prayed for her survival and
indeed thanks to the healing power of Jesus Christ, she is
now 2 1/2 years, almost the less a cancer free I I pray for
guidance because I do think I have some role to play in events
going forward. I think my life was spared for a
specific purpose, but here's what I found out Kyle.
God doesn't reveal his entire plan to you all at once.
He reveals his plan to you when he is ready.
And I'm ready to do his well, whatever that turns out to be.
I pray for the safety of my family because I think with this
many illegals in the country, it is only a matter of time before
there is an attack on American citizens in our own soil.
Something I'm very concerned about and I pray about quite a
bit. Here's some examples I.
Appreciate those you tell us about some of the moments of
doubt, too. When you're going through these
and you witness your government coming after you, after you felt
like you've been serving it for as many years as you've been
involved, Well, I will certainly went through that.
I reached a point. I mean, I was naive enough to
think that when I was charged in this completely, you know,
fabricated indictment of lying to Congress about matters that
did not matter, that that concealed no underlying crime,
most certainly not any Russian collusion or any collaboration
with WikiLeaks, none of which the government produced any
actual evidence of. I became despondent.
I became depressed. I became angry.
I became frustrated. I became fearful.
Not so much for me, for me, but for my wife.
I still have to struggle financially every month because
it's hard to sell your books when you're banned on Facebook,
when you're banned on Instagram, when you're banned in most
places, people can follow me on true social where I'm real.
Roger Stone. It would be nice to be Roger J.
Stone Junior, both there and on X.
But some squatter has my real name on a true social, so I'm
not allowed to have it, not able to have it, but people can
follow me in those two places. The economic pressure they put
on you to this day is extraordinary.
I got a subpoena from Hunter Biden's lawyers a week ago.
They want all my records pertaining to Hunter Biden's
laptop, which would be 0 records whatsoever.
Everything I know about Hunter Biden's laptop I read in the New
York Post. But you see, we have to create
this fake narrative that that somebody gave me the contents of
the laptop and I passed it on to somebody else, and that person
passed it on to Rudy Giuliani and he's passed it on to the New
York Post. It's total BS.
It's false. But I still have to go retain a
lawyer who practices in Delaware to move to quash this subpoena.
It's just a time consuming, financially draining, stressful.
But that's the way it is. I mean, I have 11 outstanding
other lawsuits filed against me, all of them meritless, all of
them baseless, all of them groundless.
This is what they call law fair. It's what they're doing to
Donald Trump, but on a much larger and I think more
dangerous basis. If you knew the kind of troubles
that you were going to go through starting back in 1988
when you started recommending to Donald Trump to run, would you?
Would you continue on the same path if you knew then what you
know now? That's a very difficult
question. I think the answer is yes.
You know, I think I was saved for such a time as this.
I think I have a a role to play. I'm grateful for my freedom.
I'm grateful for my wife's health.
It would be, you know, I could be very successful inside the
Beltway Lobbyist Fixer right now if that's what I chose to do.
But I chose to support the America First candidate, and I
have no regrets whatsoever about that.
I think Donald Trump changed the course of history.
I think he's going to change the course of history again.
I just want to be there to help him once again.
What are some of the techniques that he's suggesting?
If people wanted to break it down into sound bite format,
he's going to go through and he's he's learned whatever the
lessons were from from 16 to 20, you know, tactics and techniques
that he can go in and combat some of this evil that's going
on in our our government. Look, I think that he came to
the presidency not being involved in politics and
therefore having the false but understandable thinking that
there were two parties, the Republicans and the Democrats,
and that the Republicans would rally around him as the leader
and the Democrats would oppose him.
That's not, of course, what happened.
It took him a long time to realize it was a fifth column
within his own party that was dedicated to removing him from
the moment he became president. Unfortunately, he appointed some
of those people to high and powerful offices.
I don't want to name any names Rod Rosenstein, but but I think
that he will not make that mistake again.
I think he understands that that that he has to clean house if he
is elected top to bottom. He has to start with good men
and good women who support the America first principle
principles. And I I don't think he's going
to make the same kind of mistakes he made the first time.
What specifically would you call America First principles?
How do you break that down instead of the TM version of it?
Well, I think it's pretty simple.
Which is every decision, whether it is a trade decision, whether
it's a military decision, whether it's an economic
decision. Does it put the interests of the
United States first? Shipping $100 million of aid to
Gaza when we have 370,000 homeless veterans in this
country does not put America first.
There's just a perfect example. How many countries are you aware
of that? Tax their citizens, take those
tax dollars and then turn around and send them to support
programs in America. Say that again.
I'm sorry, I missed your point. How many how many countries out
there in in the world are taxing their citizens, taking their tax
dollars and then sending them to aid packages for the United
States? The what?
What aid do we receive? I think that answer would be 0.
It's time to put America first. In other words, there are hungry
people here. There are people who need help
here. There are.
There are veterans who don't have adequate health care here.
They're homeless veterans here. There are people struggling
here. Why are we shipping billions of
dollars to Ukraine? This makes no sense to me.
And this whole narrative that, oh, Vladimir Putin, who is a bad
guy, by the way, no one disputes that.
But he's not fighting in Ukraine because he wants to take control
of Ukraine, to bring back the faded glory of the old Soviet
Union. He's fighting in Ukraine because
we signed a treaty in which we agreed not to put NATO based
Western missiles pointed at Russia on the ground in Ukraine
and we're violating that treaty. He's warned the Ukrainians and
us multiple times. Look, here's the easiest way to
wrap this up. Weakness breeds aggression,
whether you're the Russians or the Chinese or the Iranians.
When you see Joe Biden and you see his policies, what you see
is a lack of resolve and weakness.
You also see policies that don't make any sense.
Giving $6 billion to the Iranians and trusting them to
use it for humanitarian purposes only when they're screaming
death to America at the top of their lungs, that doesn't make
much sense. If Trump was still in the White
House, there'd be no war in Ukraine.
There'd be no danger posed to to Taiwan.
There would be no attacks in Israel because of the
unpredictability of Donald Trump.
None of this would have happened.
But as long as this administration continues these
policies of weakness and failure, I think the possibility
for World War Three are very, very real.
Yeah. And I'll add that I probably
would still be an FBI agent and you probably would still be
unindicted and never arrested by by former employer.
So we would have had some other very difficult outcomes.
I'm curious about this. You spent a lot of time around
DC you've you've met a lot of the players that people just
know of from headlines. Is Joe Biden unique in sort of
the picture of corruption that we see or is he closer to the
standard of what exists in that area?
Joe Biden is is kind of unique in the sense that Democrats
don't even like him. He was not their first choice
for president in the last election.
He was last man standing. I think the Democratic Party and
I think the federal government is run by Barack Obama.
I think he's the single most dominant and influential
Democrat in the country. Certainly the most dominant
person in this administration. And Joe Biden, generally
speaking, not well liked in the Senate, even by Democrats.
I forget who it was who correctly said he's been wrong.
I guess it was Robert Gates. The former Secretary of Defense
served under both Republicans and Democrats.
I wonder how that works, said that Joe Biden has been wrong on
every major foreign policy issue in his entire career.
He's always been a mean spirited, greedy, corrupt,
self-centered loudmouth who is never particularly well liked.
I think they made him president because they knew he was
controllable because of the vast evidence of corruption that
exists about him. But I think he was, even prior
to his having dementia, which I think he very clearly has, he
was always a mean spirited, wise guy who thought he knew
everything. He definitely comes off.
He always reminds me of that bully Biff from Back to the
Future. I just feel like that's like the
80s analogy. The guy who just he was, you
know, he he grabbed a girl, 'cause he could he punched him
and fly because he could. He got away with it because he
could, but now he's kind of decrepit and he doesn't really
have any of his facilities and he's he's even meaner.
I wonder if you'll look into your crystal ball with us for a
little bit and give us some some ugly predictions.
What do you see happening in the next 12 months?
Maybe the dark side of the of the ball and maybe the the the
hopeful side that we can kind of work towards.
Very hard to see. But I mean, we've already
designated 2000 troops to go to Israel.
They tell us that they won't be used in combat.
I rather doubt that. I think we are going to see
greater engagement. Is it possible that this
administration could go out and purposely start World War Three
in order to utilize the War Powers Act to indefinitely
postpone the next presidential election?
Absolutely possible. That's a worst case scenario,
but I think it it's entirely possible.
I sadly think there will. I pray.
I pray that I'm wrong. But I think there will be
terrorist attacks in this country again along the lines of
911. God, I hope that I am wrong.
On the plus side, Donald Trump will crush the opposition for
the Republican National nomination.
Governor Ron DeSantis will be driven from the presidential
race shortly. He's out of money and he's out
of time. And he never had the never had
the chops, in fact, the efforts. Now he's spending his money
attacking Nikki Haley. So one candidate who's running
in single digits is spending millions of dollars to attack
another candidate who's running in single digits.
None of this makes any sense whatsoever.
Yeah, that all checks out. All right.
I want to give people give you a chance to plug some of the other
things. I appreciated you sharing your
audience with me, so I wanted to make sure we did return that
favor. Also illuminate a lot of things.
Give people kind of the best place to follow you so I can
get. Direct them to one account if
you would, and then your your preferred book if they were
going to read just one and get a taste of what you're about.
Sure, go to stonezone.com. If you go to stonezone.com you
can see where the Stone Family Fund is if you want to help us
on the personal side. My wife still undergoing a
cancer treatments and we still have a monthly struggle.
You can buy all of my books including you see The Bush Crime
Family. If you were going to buy one
book, I probably recommend to you the man who killed Kennedy.
The case against LBJ Think it is my best book, but you can also
you see the Roger Stones. That's a stone to which I signed
my name. It's a paperweight.
You see Stone's Rules of My book with a introduction by Tucker
Carlson. You there, you see the man who
killed Kennedy, the case against LBJ on the lower left, right
there. Any of those would be, I think,
most enjoyable if you like history and politics, and I
appreciate all that. My one of my really good buddies
said that you're his personal hero and he is absolutely like a
a staunch reader of your of your book, the The Stones Rules.
So I appreciate you joining me today Sir.
Thanks for sharing your time with us and I hope that I hope
this country continues to pull out of it.
I I hope you don't stop speaking even though we're we're dealing
with some pretty precarious times.
Well. It was a great pleasure to be
here, A great honor to be here. I'm glad to see that your own
podcast is getting off the ground.
Please let me know how I can help.
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