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This is our young friend Daniel Schmidt.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, as promised, we now have a guest
who is a junior at the University of Chicago, a very
prestigious academic institution, a place that I
visited when I was thinking about going there in the year
2000, many, many years ago. And now we have Daniel Schmidt,
who is apparently an instigator, potentially a cyber terrorist, a
guy who has now experienced the wrath of the New York Times with
a hit piece. There's nothing more suspendable
than having the New York Times say that they don't like you.
And so we're going to welcome him to the Kyle Serafin Show.
Daniel, thank you for joining me, bud.
Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it.
Yeah. So you've had a pretty
interesting go of it. I've seen you kind of poke in
the bear a few times. You have your own website.
What's the website called? Not anymore, actually.
I used to have a website called College Dissidents, but I've
actually stopped for some reason.
So now it's just on Twitter. I'm totally independent.
And you have a significant following there, over 45,000,
what, 48,000 followers or so? Yeah, it's it's funny, after
that New York Times piece dropped, I gained like 13,000.
So it's always like the unintended consequence.
It's like they try to smear me and I actually get more support
because. No one is.
Time. Seriously.
Anymore. Yeah, it's the Streisand Effect.
They don't understand how that works, that when they highlight
someone, we go, oh, there's a culture warrior.
We like that guy. So before we get too deep into
the weeds of what you got involved in and how you decided
to have the New York Times become your enemy, which is
always a fun thing to do, I'd like to kind of know just a
little bit about you. Where you come from?
Where were you born? So I was born in actually Los
Angeles, CA and I I lived there for about 8 years and then I
moved to Tennessee and I want to say moving to Tennessee.
I live in a pretty normal town. That was what sort of opened my
eyes to like how normal Americans live.
And so then when I ended up at this elite school, you Chicago,
I was like, wait a second, you guys have no idea what normal
Americans think. You guys were totally in this
bubble. And I think that's what sort of
given me like the energy and the strength to fight back is I feel
like. I'm a representative of middle
America, and most kids in my school have no idea what middle
America looks like. So you're obviously very bright
because you can't go to University of Chicago if you're
if you're a dim bulb. And yet you said that you're
kind of one of the few people that has an awareness of what's
going on in the rest of the country.
What are your classmates like? What what is the the attitude on
campus in general? Yeah.
So it's super. I mean, these are the elite of
the elite they went to. Most of them went to super top
boarding schools in like, you know, Massachusetts, California.
Their parents are like Goldman Sachs executives.
I mean, this is really the coastal elite.
And so they just have this attitude that number one, they
think they're better than everyone else.
And #2, they buy into this, you know, insane woke elitism.
Attitude. Total BLM people, you know, like
the people who have those yard signs, like in this house, we
believe in science, we believe in Ukraine and all that stuff.
It's like those kind of people just total like liberal, you
know, coastal elites out of tide to just think they're better
than everyone else. That's the sort of the average
kid at my school and probably all either early universities.
So how does your profile kind of interact as you walk around with
that if you're if you're a regular guy from Tennessee?
Yeah, well one thing I always like to say is I have really
never met another white middle class kid at my school.
I think maybe I slipped through the cracks or I got lucky.
Maybe it was an air in the emissions.
So, you know, it's definitely something and a lot of people
are kind of sending about it. They, you know, there there was
one instance where I asked Liz Cheney a question.
She came to my school and afterward someone apologized to
her for my behavior and said I'm the worst my campus has to
offer. And this was in front of a crowd
of maybe 1000 other students. So that's sort of the stuff I
get into, but it's definitely like a fish out of water thing,
you know, But I enjoy it and I and I feel like, you know, I'm
trying to do something meaningful here.
I'm not just trying to create outrage for attention.
I. Really want to fight back.
And my goal is, I hope kids at my school see, like, okay, you
know, maybe this is what the rest of America thinks.
And, you know, because they think, I mean, I don't even know
if they've ever met a conservative before or at least
a Trump supporter before until maybe me.
So if I can just provide this other perspective, that's what
I'm trying to do. But yeah, you know, it's been
chaotic. It's been fun.
Surprisingly, I've never actually had a negative, like,
Facetoface interaction. I think either the kids are too
scared or maybe they don't care enough.
A lot of talk on social media, obviously, including this
professor who I'm sure we'll get into, but it's actually not been
so bad so far. So you, I actually saw that
interaction with Liz Cheney. That was brilliant stuff.
And you've done a couple of those where you've kind of
popped up and done this sort of it's not ambush journalism, but
it's real questions, let's say in in an otherwise sort of puff
scenario, right? Yeah, so my school has a bunch
of people. You know, we always invite big
speakers. So the two I've had the
privilege to ask questions to were an Applebaum.
Who's this Atlantic journalist and Liz Cheney, An Applebaum she
came to my school to. Basically talked to us about
fighting this information. Obviously this information to
them means, like, the truth. And so I asked her, like, do you
think the media was wrong to call the Hunter Biden laptop
story Russian disinformation? I asked her that right when no
one really believed the story in the media.
And her answer was like, actually, I don't find the story
that interesting. And I I couldn't believe her
answer. And so that video was posted to
Twitter. I think it got a million views,
a lot of attention. And then a few months later, Liz
Cheney came to speak. And this was when she was still
in Congress. And I asked her, I said, will
you on the record say you demand the prosecution of Ray Apps.
He's an actual Insurrectionist caught on video.
You're talking about, oh, we need to arrest insurrectionist.
Here's a guy who's actually saying, let's go on the Capitol.
Do you think he should be prosecuted?
And her answer was basically just condescending me for two
minutes, calling me a conspiracy theorist, saying I know nothing.
And the odd is booing at me. I mean, it was really like a
show. But, you know, I like to think
they come to these schools thinking all the kids are going
to, like, worship them and just, you know, ask no toughball
questions. So if I can throw them off guard
a little bit, that that's my goal and that's what I've tried
to do so far. What are your parents like?
How did you end up being this guy that wants to go out there
and I kind of poke the bear in this in this place where they
don't expect it? So surprisingly, I've actually
grown up in a single mother household for most of my life,
which a lot of people maybe are surprised by.
And my mom is just super confident, Christian, outgoing,
hardworking. So she's sort of instilled with
me the confidence to really press hard.
And so I really attribute it to that, honestly.
And is she very political? She agrees with me.
She's not like a political activist, but we pretty much
agree on everything, which I'm thankful for cuz I can, You
know, if I had parents who disagreed with me, which I know
unfortunately a lot of conservative kids do, that would
be difficult. So fortunately we see eye to eye
on like everything. Interesting.
You said a lot of conservative kids have parents that don't
agree with them. That's supposed to be the
opposite way, isn't it? Isn't that the way that things
have gone historically, as far as you understand?
Yeah, well, you know, I have several friends who tell me,
like, hey, my mom made me get the vaccine and she almost
kicked me out of the house. I mean, I've heard like some
real horror stories and so, yeah, it's weird.
But, you know, I feel like a lot of young kids now, at least from
what I've seen, I feel like there's a there, there's a bit
of a awakening happening among some of the youth now where
there's just so much. I mean, they just see it
happening everywhere, all this woke stuff, this LGBT stuff.
And I feel like the kids are waking up.
Maybe the boomers aren't really as much, but the kids are waking
up and they're saying enough is enough.
That's what I've witnessed, at least.
It's kind of an interesting swing and I guess there's always
swings in in history, but when I was a kid.
When I was your age, I mean we were anti whatever anybody told
us to be. If they said you have to be
something, right? Like that was the whole idea is
is there a culture of punk rock among young people anymore?
That's exactly it. And that's what I've been
saying, which is, where is the rebellious youth like?
I gave this one example in just interviews before, which is my
school had finally gotten rid of the of the mask mandate.
This is back in 2021, so kids didn't have to wear a mask
anymore. And it's like, thank goodness.
And then literally the next day I went in this classroom and the
kids weren't wearing masks, but the professor was like, and, you
know, total, you know, liberal guy, whatever.
He was like, listen, I know the mask mandate had just ended, but
we're still in a pandemic. So if you could all wear a mask,
I would appreciate it. And I kid you not.
Within like 10 seconds, every single kid around me went their
backpack and put a mask on. And I'm thinking exactly what
you said, which is what happened to the rebellious youth, like if
this were in the 60s. The kids would not be wearing
masks. They would call a coward.
They would make fun of people wearing masks.
They wouldn't get the vaccine. They certainly wouldn't get 234
booster shots. And it's so ironic how now the
real quote, UN quote, rebels are like Christian conservatives,
which is like, so funny to me because in the past those were
like the boring, lame, dorky people, But now they're like the
rebels. They're the ones who are saying
something that no one else is going to say.
It's just such an inverse of, like, human relations.
There's a a song that Huey Lewis in the news did that's called
Hip to be Square. Do you know that song?
No, I'm too young for that. Go look for it.
Find it on YouTube, Download that song.
Well, you listen to it and you'll see there there is always
a swing back. I don't know why it it, it
oscillates between these two poles, but right now we're in
that weird moment. So what did you go in there to
study? What you what did you, what
attracted you to the University of Chicago, which is obviously
going to be in a liberal city and a liberal thing going on if
you came out of Tennessee? So several things I I came in
wanting to study economics and you Chicago pretty widely
accepted has the best economic school.
You know Milton Friedman taught there Thomas Soul.
It really was the spearhead for like Reaganomics and free
markets. So has that history.
But what if the school also has a history for is protecting free
speech which was very important. You know I got into several top
schools but I was looking at every single one and their
record of free speech is just abysmal right.
Like they have no protection of free speech if you say something
there at like Yale, Harvard. Stanford, they're going to kick
you out like there's just no if you're gone and yet you.
Chicago. Famously in 2016, they actually
released this statement saying we're not going to have safe
spaces, we're not going to have trigger warnings.
This was a big deal at the time. This was like the top tier
school going against the grain when Trump was running.
I mean, it was a big deal. And so I want to go to a school
that actually cares about free speech, and I'm sure we'll get
into this later. But, you know, I want to make it
clear, I don't actually hate my school.
I think my school is doing a pretty decent job relative.
To every other school. In fact, you know, as we'll get
into, this professor tried to get me expelled twice and my
school said no both times. That wasn't easy for them to do.
I guarantee any other school would have just gotten rid of
me. I'm too much of A nuisance, you
know, annoying, whatever. The fact that you, Chicago
defended me twice, I have a lot of respect for.
But yeah, so it was the economics, the legacy, the free
speech. Those are the two main things
that I think distinguishes you, Chicago, from pretty much every
other school in America. Yeah.
So they called what the Chicago statement is sort of this, this,
this principle of free speech and what that was really on your
calculus as you were looking at, at the options you had in front
of you as where you wanted to go as free speech.
Listen, I'm not going to go to a school and then get expelled
like two years in. I mean, what what would that
accomplish? I want to get a college degree.
I think that's important. And I want to be able to be
free. Like, I don't want to, you know,
a lot of people are like, listen, if you're a
conservative. You still have to, you know,
just be quiet, play by the rules, you know, and get your
degree and get out. To me, that's just like being
fake. Like, I, you know, for example,
I wrote my college essay about going to a Trump rally, which I
guarantee every single college advisor would say, What are you
doing, kid? Are you stupid Like you?
Do you want to get rejected? But I've always been of the
mindset that, like, you should never pretend to be someone
else. Like, that's just that kills
your soul. That's exactly what they want.
It's like, And then once you start pretending enough, you
start being that other person. So I'm always just being fully
transparent. If they don't like me, okay,
good riddance. I don't want to go there.
And yeah, I want to go to a school where I can be vocal and
not have to worry about being expelled because literally
that's how it is at every other top school and maybe even just
every university, period. All right.
So free speech was one of your deciding factors.
I think that's really, really interesting.
That wasn't even in my mind when I was 18/19/20 years old.
I I guess that the environment is so different.
It's incredible that what does free speech mean to you?
What what, what sort of speech do you think should be
protected? Are there any limits on free
speech that you're concerned about?
Well it's a very interesting question because you know and as
what I keep hinting toward what we'll talk about but a lot of
people are calling me a hypocrite for calling out this
this class called the problem of whiteness and saying you know,
oh you're pro free speech but you want to get a class
cancelled. The way I see it is this I think
every individual should be able to say whatever they want.
Like I I I don't believe in hate speech.
I don't believe in any of that nonsense.
Where I do find there to be a problem is you see now
universities are firing professors for the most like
normal things imaginable. Like, I saw this one professor,
he's claiming he got fired because he said sex is based on
chromosomes. I mean, this is like the most
basic thing ever. I saw another professor, I think
at Penn State. He said the English department
made him say English is white supremacy.
So what I'm trying to say is clearly we're not in a fair game
when it comes to like institutional approved language
right? Universities are going to fire
some people for some things and allow other people for clearly
egregious things like this anti white stuff.
The way you see it is if our side cannot have a fair shake in
promoting literal troops like sex is based on chromosomes, I
don't think these anti white people or these critical race
theorists should have the university's blessing and
promoting their stuff. Like that's a way for us to
lose. And I guess one of my
controversial opinions is I feel like the left has actually been
kind of successful in that they're aggressive, they're
fighting, they're trying to be on the offense, whereas a lot of
conservatives are, are just solely on defense.
They don't really go after the left.
They kind of just stay where they are and if the left goes
after them, then they fight back.
I'm trying to promote the approach that we need to
aggressively fight back against this critical race theory stuff,
this DII, this DII stuff, this anti white stuff.
You know, I think the Santas, he kind of started this approach,
It's going to become more popular.
Which is like we should have, in a sense, a cancel culture.
Like there should not be classes saying white people are a
problem. Like, let's just be, let's just
be real. Now, if an individual wants to
say that, fine. But when you have a multibillion
dollar university promoting that stuff and then that same
university fires people who say sex is based on chromosomes, I
mean, that's not fair. So I hope that makes sense.
But I I sort of feel like we need to be realistic about the
sort of cultural war we're in, and we can't just be totally
based on principles always, because we're going to lose and
the left's going to win. So you picked a fight with a
professor on on campus. Is this a professor that you
would have taken a class from? Is that something that you would
have had to take a class from her?
No, it was fortunately an elective.
She was like, I think she literally is like my school has
a major called Critical Race Theory, like literally, and
she's a professor in them. In that major.
So no, I would have stayed away from her.
That that checks out. And she's called you a cyber
terrorist, a cyber bully, a couple of other sort of choice
terms. The New York Times has come to
her aid. Set up the conflict here and
let's set up why you had this hit piece come out.
What's the background on it? Yeah, absolutely.
So this all started when I was registering for classes last
winter was going to the list of classes on my university and I
saw this one class and it was called the problem of Whiteness.
And it just instantly stood out to me on a gut level, like, what
is this class saying? That there is a problem with
whiteness, and then whiteness is white people.
So you're just saying white people, essentially.
And then if there's a problem, there's a solution.
I mean, it's not an exaggeration to say we're basically
approaching like Nazi Germany rhetoric.
There's a problem with the people that requires a solution.
And I mean it should go without saying but Can you imagine if
there were a class called problem of Blackness, Problem of
Jewishness, Problems of Anyness. I mean it would be it would have
ignite, my school would have burned down by not probably.
So I figured people deserve to know what's being taught at
these elite institutions because this course catalog was only
available to students. So this is not I think now it's
public but beforehand it was it was only open to students.
So what I've used my Twitter in the past is to sort of show
people what's being taught at these schools so.
I made a thread about the class. I talked about the course
description, I talked about who's teaching the class, cuz I
mean I think it's incomplete if you don't know who's teaching
this class. And the tweet blew up.
I think it got over a million impressions, so a lot of
traction. And next thing I know, this
professor, she's calling me a cyber terrorist, a cyber bully.
The most egregious thing she said, in my opinion, was she
wrote an article from my school's newspaper and she
basically said my tweets may inspire a school shooter
essentially to shoot her up, the class up, everything.
And I I couldn't believe that at that point.
I was like, this is insane. And then, you know, she got, she
got a lot of negative emails, a lot of hate, hateful emails,
which I don't approve by any stretch of the imagination.
I made that clear to the New York Times.
Because every single journalist you asked me, I say I condone
all of that because it's disgusting and I don't encourage
hate for anybody. But you know that that's the
nature of the Internet is, you know, you're going to teach a
class called the problem of Whiteness.
You're going to provoke some people.
And so anyway, then she said all those nasty things about me, and
the worst thing was she tried to get me expelled twice.
She filed 2 separate complaints with my administration,
essentially saying I incited like.
Death threats against her that I was trying to get her injured.
And fortunately my school rejected both of those.
And I thought it was all quiet. And then out of nowhere, this
New York Times piece comes. So I guess this professor wanted
to go after me one more time. And I guess where else do you
run than the New York Times, I suppose.
And actually today, funnily enough, this CNN wrote an oped
some Obama person essentially calling me a bully, saying, you
know, I'm just a bad person. So they're really going after me
now. I don't.
I don't mind so much, but. I'm just surprised they like I'm
like I'm literally a 19 year old college kid.
Like I I just, I'm amazed they they are focused so much on me.
But I guess that means what I'm doing is somewhat effective.
So. Well, the alternative is they
would have to go and explain why there's cocaine at the White
House, right? So I want, I want to read the
New York Times piece right here. Just a little piece of it.
It says, although provocatively titled, the Anthropology course
covered familiar academic territory.
How the racial category, quote, UN quote white.
Has changed over time. What did you see in that that
course description that concerned you other than the
title did? Did it seem like it was a
provocative title only? No, in the course description.
And if you go to my Twitter, you should be able to find this, it
says whiteness is a problem with world making and raising
effects. I mean straight up.
And you know, now she's trying to play this like intellectual
game and she's like, oh, I'm not actually talking about white
people. I'm talking about whiteness and
talking about this and that. It's all just be.
I don't buy that at all. I mean that's just a way to
escape it. You know, whiteness itself.
This is a concept that the Critical Race Theorist came out
to essentially target the categorization of white people
to say race isn't real. I mean all this nonsense.
And what's also funny enough is this woman says, oh, I'm not
anti white at all. I'm not, I'm, I'm totally what's
what? What's what's so funny is that
in her, in her response to me and her little media to her, she
was like, he is an exact example of white rage and white
fragility. So I'm like, OK, you know, you
literally. I just hate white people.
Just say it out loud. Be honest about it.
You know, it's like if you want to say you're not, if you don't
hate white people, then you know, why are you using these
literal coded terms to just denigrate all white people?
It's just it's just like it's it's intellectual jargon to
confuse people, this guy to to to distract from what's really
at core here. Now her name is Rebecca Journey.
She's a PhD lecturer. Over there, she sounds like a
new professor. And I'm looking at pictures of
her. And let's not mistaken, she
looks like a white lady, is she not?
Well that's the thing. It's like the most anti white
people are all white people. Like I've met plenty of black
people who agree with me who say this anti white stuff is crazy.
I think I actually saw a new poll kind of related to this
that said more, more black people oppose affirmative action
and support it. So the only.
Yeah, the people who are who are just supporting this stuff are
literal, like white women like her.
And what's also really funny is if you look at what she's
studying, like what her specialty is in, it's literally
the most insane thing ever Get this.
Her specialty is in is in eugenics in Denmark.
I I kid you not. That's her expertise.
She's studying eugenics in Denmark.
Is there a big. History of that there, you know.
I guess so, but it's like, that's what you're, you know,
here's your academic. It's like just a total joke.
And then in the meantime, you're over there.
So are you still studying economics?
Yeah, yeah. So how many of these sort of
fringe weird classes are? You know, we floating around, we
make a lot of jokes, I think in the conservative world about how
people are coming out with gender studies degrees.
When I was a kid, they used to talk about you come out with
underwater basket weaving. That was the joke.
And I don't know if anybody's doing underwater basket waiting
now. They're all talking about gender
theory, they're talking about race theory, they're talking
about these sort of things. How prominent is that as far as
majors on campus that you run across?
Yeah, no, there are entire majors dedicated to gender
studies, critical race theory, and again, I think you Chicago
is better than most. I think if you go to like
Berkeley, Yale, I mean it's really something else there.
But you know, the most egregious thing is.
Taxpayers are funding this. I don't know if you're aware,
but universities, even the private ones, they receive tax
money from the government. So we're all indirectly paying
for this in some capacity. So I mean, it's just a total
joke. And then these are the same
people who say the government needs to pay off their student
loans, Americans need to pay for it.
I mean, it's just. You're right.
It's I think it is exaggerated to an extent.
The whole, you know, basket weaving thing is obviously a
joke but it's certainly there. And again what I think is just
worrisome is it's becoming more and more widespread.
Like I think initially these anti white classes were just
taught at like law schools and universities, but now we're
seeing them taught at like high schools, elementary schools, you
know, super, super young and everywhere.
And that's what's happening is these universities are like the
testing grounds for the stuff where where the stuff usually
starts and then it spreads. And that's the worrying thing is
that it's not just relegated to these, you know, universities,
it's it's really everywhere. I guarantee there are, you know,
people like Rebecca journey at, like at tons of high schools,
you know, everywhere. And that's, you know, that's
very worrying, obviously. All right, so you've got some
friends that have, you know you're halfway through your your
undergraduate right now. You've probably got some friends
going out of the workforce. How are they being received by?
The real world, as we used to call it when I was when I was
coming out of school. How is that?
How is this sort of environment jiving with the real world?
Do you mean what do you mean by that?
Do you mean like the hiring processes?
Yeah, Well, I mean are they seeing that this is received
well in corporate America as a as a junior employee or are they
looking into are they walking into culture?
Shock. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
But you know about the same token.
A lot of companies have embraced this stuff.
A lot of companies now have DIDEI executives, I mean, and
also this thing with ESG where. When he's actually received
benefits if they have more diverse employees.
I mean the the the crazy thing is you know even if you go to an
elite school, Harvard, Yale, you, Chicago, whatever, if
you're a white guy, you're still like really the chances of you
getting into let's say like a financial job are are are not
good anymore because you're a white guy.
I mean it really is a scary stuff.
Fortunately that's not the industry I'm trying to go into.
But you know if that's what you're asking is it's it's not
you know, the the the. Like what's happening on these
universities is really spreading to these companies as well.
Like it's not just isolated to universities.
So that's my that's what my what we know.
One of my points, which is this is permeating all of society.
I think that's well said and that's that's the concern that
I'm or the most interesting thing to me is if it's isolated
to university. Universities have always been
sort of liberal institutions, a lot of free thought, a lot of
people studying things that I think have minimal impact on the
world. But, but where does it go and
and and as you said, it sounds like it's creeping.
So that is being received and and you mentioned something just
that that troubles me. You said white guys are having a
hard time looking at a job like that should have anything to do
with it. How how did students react to
that, if that's an accepted fact or at least an accepted belief
coming out of school? Well, it's just something you
can't talk about. I mean, what's really
interesting is, you know, I get Dm's from guys at my school all
the time being like, dude, I agree with you on everything,
but man, I wish I could speak up, but I can't.
I mean, they're basically expected.
If they want to get a job at like Wall Street, for example,
they have to totally shut up. They have to learn their place.
You're a white male, be quiet. And you know, there's really
nothing they can do about it Because, you know, if you're at,
if you're one of these companies and they find out you're a
conservative, you know, you're getting fired from there.
So there's really not much they can do about it.
It's how do. It's sort of like the reality.
Of today. And what's really weird is like,
you know, I go on LinkedIn, for example, and all of these
companies nonstop are bragging about how diverse their
employees are and how they care about, you know, gender this and
gender that. I mean, it is totally, you know,
if you're a white guy or even an Asian guy, it's just so
demoralizing. You feel like you're not wanted
in society anymore. And I think sooner or later
we're going to see a backlash from this.
I just think it has to get even worse than this to a point where
people just don't even care anymore and they're just going
to say what they think. So you had kind of an
interesting history. You started off doing some
student journalism and then it sounded like you had to found
your own website. Now you've moved on to the
social media platforms. Can you kind of walk us through
how that worked? Obviously you were out there
covering those two events and you had some, you know, some
runins which they New York Times likes to talk about in the
student paper. What did that look like for you?
Yeah, sure. So I initially wrote for the
student newspaper at my school, the mainstream one.
It's called the Chicago Maroon. And I got in this bit of a spat
with this left wing girl columnist and they see what
happened was she wrote this super long article going after
people who oppose masks. And I'm like, wait a second.
I saw this exact girl at a party not wearing a mask, even though
you were supposed to just hypocrite, which is what you see
everywhere. And so, you know, she's a public
figure. She writes for the newspaper.
She's a columnist. You know, if she didn't want
scrutiny, she wouldn't be writing for a newspaper.
So I called it on social media and the next thing you know, I'm
I'm getting a message from the editors saying I'm harassing
someone and my behavior is egregious.
So I got fired from that newspaper.
And then I wrote for the conservative newspaper on my
college, and you would think, you know, OK, you're not going
to get fired there. Well, sure enough, they
basically fired me because I'm too vocal, I'm too outspoken,
and maybe I'm too, quote, UN quote far right for them.
So I got fired from there as well.
And so I had to start my own thing for a little bit.
It was called college dissidents.
I had to stop it for some financial reasons.
So now I'm just basically on Twitter doing my own thing,
which I'm totally fine with, But that's just how it is, I guess,
if you're an outspoken conservative kid.
So what? What about you?
Is too far right for a conservative newspaper at a
elite school like that? What?
What sort of ideas do you? Have I think number one, I've
always been super vocal about January 6 calling it a Fed
surrection talking about you know how just the feds were
involved in my, my, my Liz Cheney question for example.
So I think that was it. Also the anti white stuff.
Very few conservatives, even today are comfortable using the
word anti white. And I've always been willing to
say it. I think it's important to say it
because the language you use is important.
But I think most of all, it's not even an ideological thing.
It's just an approach thing. Most conservative students, at
least at Elig an elite school, are very quiet, very docile,
which, you know, that's their approach.
Fine, I'm super outspoken. I'm.
I believe, you know, you need to go out on the field, you need to
talk to people. You need to raise your voice.
And I just think they didn't, they didn't vibe with that.
So those, you know, I wish them well.
I don't, I don't want them to fail, obviously, but it was just
a difference in approach and I think some beliefs.
Are you a an athlete of any kind?
Were you in debate or anything that led you to sort of this
confrontational nature that you have, which I love by the way?
In like debate, that sort of stuff.
And funnily enough, debate even is totally corrupted now.
I had this funny story which is in my first month in college.
I couldn't do a debate tournament because I was white.
I'm not even joking. They banned me because I'm
white. This tournament is only open and
on whites. And I realize at that point,
okay, debate's over. It's corrupted.
It's done. And I kind of stopped doing
that. So we.
Dig into that a little bit longer.
First of all, what is the scenario?
How did you find out that you can't go specifically because of
skin color, which seems insane to me.
Just any anything that you can give us as far as background on
that? Yeah, No.
It's absolutely insane. So you know, I I came to the
school again. I come from a Middle Tennessee
household. You know, we don't have any of
this anti white diversity stuff over here.
I came to the school first month in college.
I tried to do this debate tournament.
They say no, sorry, this debate tournament is only open to non
white people. And it was just so hilarious
because they get, you know, the kid telling me this is this
Indian guy who went to like the best boarding school in America.
His dad is literally like a Goldman Sachs executive and he's
basically telling me I'm privileged and I.
And do it because I'm white and I'm just like, I'm looking at
him and then I'm looking around the room and no one finds like,
anything wrong of this. No one's, no one's doubting it.
No one's questioning it. White people aren't doing
anything about it. I'm just like, what is this
like? So it's a debate tournament,
man. This is not like white people.
It's just it was it was egregious and so I wrote an
article about it and it kind of got some decent attention and
funnily enough, the next year it didn't happen.
So I don't know if that was completely because of me, but I
have to believe they got some scrutiny and didn't want to do
it. Some other stories I almost I so
I did the bait for a little bit. You know that that particular
tournament I was banned for, but I did a few others.
I almost lost around because I I forgot to give a trigger warning
at the beginning of a round. And I was talking about like a
war or something, and I almost lost it because they said, hey,
you know, you didn't give a trigger warning.
And I was again, I mean, I'm just like, are you serious right
now? And you also have to state your
pronouns at the beginning of every round.
And I didn't do that. So I mean to pay, it's totally
done. It's it's over.
Hold on, we got to go back to that one.
First of all, help people like we hear about these trigger
warning things. I always find out that it's kind
of a joke and I think the people that are in my age bracket, I'm
41, so you can kind of gauge that.
It's not a joke. Apparently they're asking for
actual How are you supposed to know what's supposed to trigger
people? Well that's The funny thing is
you have to just assume any remotely offensive thing.
So like if let's say your debate tournament topic is about like
war, you have to give trigger warning violence, trigger
warning death, trigger warning chemical attacks.
I'm not you have to literally get like a 5 minute heads up and
if someone does is is triggered by that, I think you have to
like literally change the topic. I mean it is just it's insane.
And so, yeah, no, they're certainly real, and you can
literally lose around in a debate tournament because you
failed to give trigger warnings. Whoa, that's that's really heavy
to me. And and here's why.
The only thing that when you were saying that to me that I
that resonated was the concept of selfcensorship.
Maybe reflect on that in the environment that you're in.
Yeah. No, absolutely.
I mean. There's, I mean, you know, and
debate might just seem like some nerdy little like thing, but
it's like, you know, debate used to be like the way it's actually
really interesting. Debate tournaments used to be in
debate as like a sport, if you want to call that.
That used to be the way that, like middle class people
actually got into elite schools. Like it was either you belong to
some rich family and so, you know, you got into like the
Kennedys, for example, or you were like a star debater and you
kind of rose the ranks. Like Ted Cruz, for example, I
think went to like a normal high school.
But he was an incredible debater and he went to.
Princeton And then he got into the US Senate.
It's like what we're seeing now is that every sort of merit
based way to get into an elite school, to rise the ranks is
being totally corrupted now. So you have that angle and then
you also just have the angle, which is when you debate, you're
supposed to think freely, you're supposed to challenge, you know
your notions. You don't see any of that
nowadays anymore. I mean, it's actually is scary
because. Now and what's also really
interesting is now the only sort of acceptable debate topics are
like the most obscure things imaginable.
Like are there 76 genders or 77 genders?
Like I kid you not, that's a legitimate topic.
Everything else is is accepted. So like vaccines, good.
You can't debate that Trump racist can't debate that.
Republicans, Nazis can't debate that.
Like you can If you're a conservative in college debate
nowadays, you're you know, you're done for.
You're literally are done for. So yeah, it does have, it does
have wide-ranging effects. It's not just like some who
cares, it's like this. Is going to affect the way we
think. And also, you know, it's no
surprise why we have these totally incompetent people in
our White House now like Cringe Jean Pierre, whatever, you know,
we're just total morons. Those are the people who are
getting into the elite now and they come up through these
debate tournaments. They come up through these elite
schools. They take these problem of
whiteness classes. This is your future elite.
And if you think it's bad right now, wait till my generation
gets into politics. We're going to it's it's it's
actually quite scary. Yeah, it sounds terrifying to
me. A lot of this stuff sounds
really, really scary. Historically, as I understand
it. I didn't engage in debate, but I
knew guys who did, and I respected at least the cerebral
chops that it takes to do it. People would pick a position
that they didn't believe in simply for the challenge of
debating and the challenge of taking on an argument that maybe
they didn't have any emotional connection to, but they wanted
the the intellectual chess match of trying to see if they could
justify it. Isn't Isn't that sort of the
purpose of it? No, not anymore.
Because even if you don't agree with it, if you just take that
position, they're going like you have the audacity to defend
Trump. Like, are you kidding me?
You have the audacity to say there are two sexes?
I mean, it's just totally demonized.
So no, that doesn't happen anymore.
It's it's sad but I I would encourage people if you're if
you're if watching this Google just there's a great video on
YouTube of this Harvard debate tournament you would think OK
these people are phenomenal. It's literally the most like
disgust. It's like the most incompetent
people imaginable. They're talking about like rap
music it and they're like barely speaking English.
It's it's absolutely insane. I mean it the decline of like
the meritocracy and like merit and like Excellency event is
totally one of the greatest failures of like America in the
21st century. Well we've seen the the what is
it Smithsonian Museum on African American history tell us that
certain things like being on time and work ethic are are now
a problem. Right.
Those are, those are all issues. Excellence is in fact a problem
itself. Let's pivot away from that and I
want to I want to touch on something that may be
controversial and and if you don't want to talk about it,
totally understood. They bring up a connection to
support for Kanye West which I find interesting but I don't
necessarily understand. And a guy named Nick Fuentes who
I know some things about and he seems awful but I would I would
interview him. I don't care.
So I'm kind of curious. What are they trying to touch on
there? What do you think the New York
Times is trying to say? And then more importantly, what
is the real story that's there? Sure.
So Kanye West, now known as Yay, I, supported him for president.
I've been a big fan of his music for ages and I thought he was
interesting. I've been kind of bored with
Trump. Desantes.
I I love Trump. I I still do love him.
But I was hoping for something a little fun.
You know, I'm always about like, how far can we push, how far can
we push the needle. I'm a bit of a provocateur, if
you will. And so when YAY announced, he
was going to. Run in November.
I supported it, which was controversial at the time,
obviously, and a lot of people on Twitter didn't like it, but I
just thought it'd be fun. I'm again a big fan of his
music, which, you know, people might find surprising
concerning. I'm a skinny white guy, but I
like a lot of his music, so I supported it.
And yeah, Nick Fuentes, he's the guy who was involved with Yay in
his campaign for a period of time.
And so there's that connection there.
But the New York Times is trying to do is because Nick Fuentes
has his reputation. They're basically trying to
smear me by. Association.
I'm like you. I'm going to talk to anybody,
Even if someone is, you know, deemed whatever, I think
everyone deserves a fair chance. And like 9 times out of 10,
maybe even every single time, whatever the media calls someone
is never true. There's always more to it.
They always have more sophistication, more nuance,
especially on the right. I've never really met someone on
the right who's just like a dummy and has like the most the
base takes ever. They always have some
sophistication, some nuance, some death.
And so you know but by this association they want all the
readers to associate Nick Fuentes who they think is this
whatever they want to call him Nazi whatever with me just to
totally describe to me, which is just it's a lazy tactic.
I mean we could do that with I mean for example Obama is what
was was friends of Louis Farrakhan who called Jews like
rats or something. I'm like Obama and anti semi
over that. That's just ridiculous.
But that's what they do. Sure.
All right. So and and Nick Flint has just
popped up on something else earlier today.
Yeah, I guess he's speaking at the University of Arizona with
Jacob Chansley. And so.
And Jacob Chansley was responding out there in the
world. And this is all Twitter stuff.
So I've. I've engaged in the Twitter
drama in my life, which is funny.
I'm. I'm in your world now.
That's not my world. But but I look out there and you
see this and and he says, you know, what should I do?
Jacob Chansley, the famous Q Anon Shaman who just got out of
prison and he says what should I do?
Should I be going out there and. You know, should I, should I
boycott this event? And I DM'd him?
I don't know if he'll get it, but I have a big enough account,
people tend to read it. And I sent him a DM and I said
go talk to him and if he says something foolish or racist or
awful, then blow it out of the water.
The only answer to bad speech is good speech.
So what is the, what is the story with Nick Fuentes?
They're obviously trying to smear him.
They say that he's a Holocaust denier.
And the piece that I'm looking at here, which is Yeah, like you
say, that's an anti-Semitic smear towards you.
They're trying to say you're both white guys and you both
have hair, so you must be the same.
I can see that pretty clearly. What do you think the Are there
any positive takes that Nick wanted?
I don't know enough about what his political statements is
other than that he seems to be kind of a like what we'd call
like a like a shit disturber. That's what my dad would call
him like. He goes out there and stirs the
pot. He might be a terrible human
being. I I don't know.
I just. I'm not really in the business
to like. Condemn people.
I find out they'd be kind of pathetic.
So I'm not going to say anything about.
I'm not really in the industry of saying anything that, you
know, I've talked to him a few times and he was always nice to
me. So I don't really have anything
personally bad to say about him, but I'm not going.
To any any sakes that. Does he have any takes that he's
like, said, hey, I believe this thing and then you're like, oh,
I don't know about that. Has he ever?
Really. I don't really.
I'm not really, you know, I don't want to say anything
because I don't know if it's true.
I I don't know too much about him, honestly.
I've spoken to him a few times, but I'm not.
Again, I'm not in the business to just condemn anyone.
I find it to be kind of pathetic.
I think people are over that. Also.
People are over, just like condemning someone over this and
that. So I'm not I I don't really have
anything else to say about this. I'm going to.
I'm going to throw a topic at you.
Just totally blind. You haven't heard this before.
Maybe. Are you familiar with the group
called Moms for Liberty? Okay, what do?
You What do you take away from them?
What do you know about them? Well, I know they are called
like an antisemitic Nazis or something.
I don't actually know too much about what they've said or what
they've done, but I I know they're being smeared.
I actually don't. Can you fill me in on that,
actually? Yeah, let's do it.
So and and this is just a like a a reasonable guy take, I'm kind
of curious on yours. So they have a newsletter that
they put out from each of their chapters.
They have whatever, 130 chapters around the country and their
moms, as you can imagine. And the moms are interested in
going to school boards and pushing for whatever policies
they want, as is their right as Americans.
And throughout this, they're talking about their newsletters,
talk about resisting government indoctrination for children.
You know, our children are the future.
So on and on one of the newsletters in one of the
chapters of the 130 or so chapters they have.
One of them has a quote up in the top right hand side of the
newsletter. It says Mom's for Liberty, you
know, episode #10, the date, the month and the year, and so on.
And underneath it, it hasn't just a block, no context.
It says something to the effect of whoever owns the children
owns the future Adolf Hitler. OK.
Now, do you think that is someone saying, man, we really
got to emulate Adolf Hitler or do you think there's a nuanced
position in in 2020? Wait, so did they, did they
quote Adolf Hitler or was it just an Adolf Hitler quote?
Like, did they put this quote came from Adolf Hitler?
Yes, they did. They, They quoted Adolf.
Adolf Hitler's name is right next to it.
Right. Well, that's obviously not a
good look. I mean, yeah, I need 130 pages.
I have to. Did someone slip it in Maybe?
No, no. This is 130 chapters being
there's different organizations around the country, they all
follow into the same umbrella. This is like a two page emailed
newsletter to to moms. Okay.
Yeah. I mean it's obviously not a good
luck but again I'm not in the. I just I find it to be pathetic
to just condemn people over the stuff Like I don't know what
the. I would I would ask them I'd say
what you mean by this do you like Adolf Hitler like why did
you include this And if they if they say I love Hitler, okay,
obviously I don't agree. With that, the response was.
Like this gut. And I think it's just kind of
because, again, like the left doesn't do this, man.
I mean, the left has some really bad people, but they don't
really. To condemn people.
They don't go after people in their own ranks.
I don't think so. And so for the right to have
this like police mentality, I just want it to be like gross,
like, you know, talk to the person, get to know them better.
And if you take away okay, this is a despicable person, sure,
get get rid of them. But to just see something and
your knee jerk reaction is condemned them, you know, get
rid of them. I just don't like that.
I find that they'd be kind of like pathetic.
I don't know that that's what I think maybe, you know is that
going to. They were reached for comment,
and the comment was that it was lacking the context, that they
were using it as a cautionary tale, because stealing the
children was the way that you indoctrinate the children with
that. Does that, does that sit right?
Well, it makes a bit more sense. I don't know if it's again, I
wouldn't use a Hitler quote, obviously.
But you know again I'm just, you know, I, I, I, I'm, I'm saying
what I said, I don't think it's, I don't think it's good for
conservatives just to attack other conservatives.
For being too edgy, I find that to be a waste.
I mean, we are literally battling people who think kids
should be allowed to change your gender at like 4 years old, five
years old. And yet conservatives are more
focused about what some moms are saying.
I just it's a waste of effort and energy.
Like I don't really. And if you disagree, I'd love to
hear your point. But I just find it to be it's
not, it's not worth that, the energy.
Well, I did a whole podcast where all I did was quote Hitler
for an hour and describe them as cautionary tales, because Hitler
said a lot of really interesting things that we should note.
Are incredibly dangerous, and they are harbingers of things to
come. If you watch what the political
left is doing, that's my take on it.
I'd be cured. In fact, go watch that episode,
if you like, and go check it out and then let me know if you find
it to be inflammatory. I think that when someone tells
me I can't do something and I I probably have a little bit more
sense of you, a little bit more age, but I still do the same
thing. If someone says no, you can't do
this, that's probably the first thing I'm going to want to do.
Don't touch that pan. I'm going to find out how hot it
is. And I can actually see scars to
prove it. And when there's this such
censorship of certain people, when people, when you, when
you're told nonstop, you can't listen to him, you can't support
him, you can't believe in him, it's like I'm going to look in
them more. It's a strides in effect, just
like when the New York Times dropped this article, I gained
13,000 followers from that. It's like, thanks for the boost.
Like, I have to actually thank the New York Times.
Yeah, thanks for the attention. It's like, you know, and maybe
20 years ago when people actually respected the Times,
it's like you actually get a hit piece in there.
You're done for, man. But no one takes them seriously
anymore. Just like when these.
You know, SPLC organizations call someone this and that.
No one takes them seriously. It's only going to help them
more. And you know, that's just that
because that it's like the boy cry world situation.
You call someone a Nazi million times, they're not a Nazi.
Then the one real Nazi emerges, no one actually cares anymore.
And then they gain power. And then that's when things
really hit the fan. I think that also seems true.
My kids are now very young, but they are learning The Boy who
Crawled Wharf story. We are talking about that very
frequently. It's it seems to be lost.
I actually read an Aesop's fable today about the The Raven and
the Swan. Do you know the story?
No, you know, yeah, I need a little bit of a I.
Didn't remember it either. It's been a long time since I
saw. It's a lot longer than probably
than since you saw these things. But essentially the story is a
Raven looks at a swan, sees the swan and thinks what a beautiful
creature I would like to be a swan.
So it flies down out of its perch, it stops eating, carrying
and things like that, and it hangs out in the water and it
swims around with the other Swans and it eats lake weed and
ducks its head underwater and it preens itself and washes itself
until it slowly Withers away and dies from starvation.
Because you can't wash yourself and eat weeds if you are a
Raven. And the moral of the story
obviously being no matter how you change your behavior, you
cannot change the physical nature of what you are.
I thought that was an amazing thing.
My wife, who is kind of based, kind of shared that with my kids
who are four and six years old, and let them kind of understand
the takeaways. They're a little bit too young
to probably understand it. But just like The Boy Who Cried
wolf, there were these tales that we all grew up with.
And I imagine that you probably saw Aesop's fables in some
variety or some format. And they used to actually teach
us something. Now I feel like they're they're
just a lesson of what racist looks like or something or it's
it's it's the PhD topic of a of a Rebecca Journey.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's sad.
So OK, so imagine this. You've had some conflict with
this woman. Have you ever engaged her
personally, by the way, out of curiosity?
I'm definitely not going to do that now.
After all the things she said about me and how I'm harassing
her, I feel like if I even like, look at her, she's going to
accuse me of. Physical harassment.
So I'm I've, I've never seen it in public, but even if I did I
would not go up there. Let's say there's an organized
situation debate over this topic, the problem of whiteness,
why it should be discussed. She wants to present her
arguments on why you're going to present the arguments on what
the what the issues are with that particular academic topic.
Would you sit and debate her? No, absolutely.
If it were like an organized debate in front of like an
audience. A New York Times moderator and
maybe somebody from. Fox News, you would know.
I mean, if she were respect, but I don't think she would.
I think she would say I'm just going to lie or something, but I
don't know. I would love to do that though.
Absolutely. Should we try to set something
like this up? Because I because I know you've
had some pretty You got to interview Tucker Carlson.
Right. I'm out.
Yeah, that was phenomenal. Yeah.
Talk to me about that, and then we got to talk to Tucker Carlson
into moderating this debate and we can get somebody like maybe
maybe Joy Reid can sit next to it.
There's no way she's going to do that.
But no, the Tucker interview, I was very fortunate.
I'm not going to say how I got his conduct info because that's
just private, but he reached out to me at a certain point.
We talked was was phenomenal. Guy, as I've said this on
Twitter, literally one of the nicest, most humble guys I've
ever spoken to, despite his massive fame.
I mean, really is a great guy. And then one day I was like, you
know what, what have I interviewed him?
And I literally just shot my shot.
I said, hey man, if we could talk for however long you want,
I I would love to talk to you about what you're normally not
asked. You know, he's usually asked
political questions, this and that.
I wanted to ask him, like, what kind of kid were you in college
and what advice do you have for young men?
And do you think even college is worth it?
And what do you, you know, I asked him about how porn is
damaging young men, you know, stuff pertaining to what I think
is my audience, which is younger men.
He agreed, surprisingly, was totally on board.
And we did it and yeah, it was phenomenal.
So yeah, total stellar guy, great guy.
Where did that interview come out?
It was on YouTube, actually, so if you just googled Dan Schmidt,
Tucker Carlson, you should go to find it has around 60,000 views.
It's also pinned by Twitter, so yeah.
Seems really low, 60,000 views. If you want to boost it, I'll
love it. We will boost it.
We will absolutely boost it. I think everybody should go see
that. I think it's interesting.
Tucker is one of the most, like you say, he's he's so talented
and when he speaks. And everything he has to say, it
seems to run together. I don't he has a special gift to
be able to string words together.
What sort? Did you walk away with any sort
of thoughts that you that changed your perspective or did
you just think he was a great guy?
Well, it's been about a year, so I need to sort of recap.
You know, I I guess I just, I like how real he is.
I mean, I don't think any other Fox News host would have let
some kid, you know, back then I I had maybe 20,000 Twitter
followers. Now I have nearly tripled that.
So I don't think any any other Fox News host would would let
some kid interview them for 9 for 40 minutes, you know, and he
didn't ask me in advance, Hey, what are you going to ask me?
Don't ask me any curveball. I could have straight up just
debated him for 40 minutes and I think he would have done it.
So it was really just his realness is down to earth Ness,
that's the word. And I I just think he's, you
know, in that aspect in terms of takeaways, you know, again, I
would have to rewatch it. I don't really remember exactly
what he said. You know, something he said,
which I kind of disagree with, is he said drop out of college.
He really emphasized that. I would disagree with that.
Now obviously if college is like an insane amount of money,
that's different. But I do think we still should
encourage young conservative people to go to college.
Doesn't have to be an elite school, but you should either go
to like trade school or, you know, a normal school.
Undergraduates get a degree because, I mean, the data still
shows that people of college degrees make way more money than
people who don't have college degrees, so.
I do disagree with that approach.
Maybe he was out of context or he wanted to say more.
But you know, he really emphasizes marrying young,
having lots of kids, think he married when he was like 20 or
21, which is unheard of nowadays.
So just sort of that advice, I mean, he feels like.
You know, what's really interesting is, you know, a lot
of young men now are growing up without fathers, me included.
And so to hear this advice from him and people like Jordan
Peterson and even Andrew Tate, if you will, that advice is like
it's needed now. And it's so it's so absent
because I think 50% of households now don't have a
father or something. I mean, it's insane.
So I I just, I I I love what he's doing.
He's a really great guy. I want to dig into the idea of
college. Is it worth that sort of thing?
You you push back, he said. No, I kind of have the same
instinct. I'm.
I'm a little older than you. I'm a little younger than
Tucker. So we're between there.
I went to college. Obviously, I can't speak from a
position of strength. And yet there does seem to be a
value proposition that's missing.
It's a lot of debt for most people, even for even for a
state school. There's a lot of money involved.
And let's say that you don't want to go do something that
says you don't want to be an accountant.
Let's say you don't want to be an economist.
You don't want to be a biologist.
How much sense does it make for some of your colleagues?
Do you have classmates that didn't go to school, That didn't
go to college and started in a trade or something?
High school classmates? Oh yeah, absolutely.
In high school, you know, I think only I went to like a very
deep red high school, you know, in the middle of Tennessee.
I think 50% of my graduate class didn't go to college.
So totally different story here if you go to like some fancy,
you know. Area in New England, it's like
every single person goes to college, so there's a big
difference there, you know, regarding college, I would just
say the data is out there which shows number one, people of
college degrees just make way more, even if it's the same sort
of occupation. But #2 also, and this
particularly relates to men. Very few women are are willing
to marry a guy who the earth, at least college educated women are
not, are not willing to marry a guy who doesn't have a college
degree. In fact, they're not even want
to marry a guy who makes less than them that most women
nowadays expect the guy to have a college degree and make more
than them. And so we're already seeing
this. I think there's a study now that
says 60% of men in their 20s are single.
So there's already this big dating issue because of like
dating apps and feminism and this and elsewhere.
I would just urge a lot of young, a lot of young men to
consider like, OK, if I don't go to college, am I going to be
able to find a wife who loves me, who who, even if I don't
have a degree, even if she makes more than me?
I mean, there's these sort of things which may sound juvenile
or kind of like goofy, but I think are actually serious
concerns. So I I would stress those two
things. I'll stress the wages.
The data is still out there that guys in college or people people
call Jeres Mcmore, but also the marriage aspect, I mean.
It's it's it's it's harder to find a woman.
I got a good quality woman if you if you don't have a college
degree. But if you disagree with that, I
love to hear why. I'm not sure I do agree with it,
but I'm not sure I disagree dramatically either.
I think it's so I I, I look at an example.
I'll give you an example. One of my best friends is a
special operator got out of the Air Force.
He was a deadly killer. He's a super stud and and he
married a girl that he met at his CrossFit gym who is an
attorney and he's never gone to college.
He's one of the sharpest people I know he has.
He's very well read. Yeah, he's incredibly
articulate. He's very funny and he has a
very subtle sense of humor. He's a good looking guy and he's
super fit. I think he probably made, you
know, $50,000 a year or less as a as an enlisted guy in the in
the Air Force and I think his wife makes over $300,000 a year.
So I've seen examples of it not be the case.
I've also seen buddies who were, you know, a lot of my friends
were special operations. So they're kind of exceptional
human beings. Whether they went to college or
not was sort of sort of irrelevant.
So they may be a bad test case, but.
There's something to be said about people in the trades that
get out there and start making money.
If you're making 204060, you know, $65 an hour doing a
specialty trade and it took you two years to earn it.
So you're 20 years old, you're now your age.
Now imagine yourself going out and making 60 or $75,000 right
off the bat and you got no debt because somebody paid your
training. You know, there's the whole
micro movement I think is is sort of interesting.
Have you, have you followed micro at all?
Are you familiar with them? Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that.
And you know, when I say college, I'm including trade
school, I'm including anything just post high school.
I guess I want to clarify that. So yeah, trade school,
absolutely a valuable thing, if that's what you want to do.
Yeah, me right now. Absolutely.
I don't deny that. No, it's funny to watch because
you look at people that came out and did certain things and they
they made a bunch more money. I all remember I, you know, I I
had the same sort of thought that I didn't want to go to a
even a Military Academy because I didn't want the work of it.
I wanted to be able to be free and have fun and and go learn
things, you know, at my speed, which led to five years of
college instead of four. If you can imagine they don't
like when you get a 0.75 GPA, it turns out that's that is frowned
upon. It's pretty hard to do too.
You got to do a complete moron job.
But there is something interesting about folks that
kind of put their head down, did some hard work up front during
18 to 22 during those kind of power, academic knowledge years
and then walk out debt free with a job that pays them something
as opposed to are you taking on debt right now for what you're
doing? No.
So I'm actually on a full ride scholarship which is maybe that
maybe that impacts my viewpoint in college.
So I guess about that, I don't think I would be in college
right now if I had to pay amount to the debt so.
And and so that's the interesting thing and I, I love
it if you reported back to us too after you kind of talk to
some of those around you, because I'm sure there are some
scholarship students, but you've got to be an anomaly as far as
being full academic. Is that what it is, full
academic? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So good on you for doing so.
I actually lost one of those. So I know a little bit about
what it takes to get one if you can imagine and I know and and
it also takes you just doing your job which sounds like
you're doing so. But yeah, I'm curious if it if
your perspective changes when you talk to some folks that look
like they're coming out with? What?
What is an annual tuition
payment at University of? Chicago, you Chicago is actually
the most expensive school in America, so it's around 85,000 a
year. It's insane.
It's I would not be paying that much.
You know, I would. Yeah, it's it's bad.
That's an incredible amount of money.
That's just the tuition. Or is that room and board too?
That's, that's everything. That's, that's that's
everything. So 80. $1000 a year.
Yeah, yeah, it's really. But I will say most students are
on like, I don't think many are paying the full sticker price.
That's that's rare. That's rare.
I think. So it's still, yeah, it's
insane. It is.
And then you mentioned that there's enormous endowments, not
and plus federal subsidy. So we're talking about somebody
is paying the salary of a Rebecca Journey.
By paying those eight, somebody's paying full price.
Oh, absolutely. There are certainly.
No, I mean, there are like Bill Gates' son went to my school,
for example. I'm sure he was paying all of
it. But and there are just a lot of
rich kids on my school, children of like Princess and fucking
Middle East or something. So yeah, they're not fair.
So yeah. It's going to be a strange world
for you to walk out of that. Where do you see yourself going?
What's the trajectory you're looking at and all kind of will
land on where you see the future is for you and then maybe what
you what kind of world do you want to walk into as you're as
you're agitating there and and being a cyber terrorist?
Right. So I definitely want to go on
the either politics or political media.
I mean I wouldn't be doing this if that's not what I wanted to
do because I'm definitely not getting a job in like Goldman
Sachs, McKenzie, that's that's gone.
So definitely politics, political media maybe run for
office, we'll see but in those areas for sure and.
What do you think about America? Are you long on America or are
you looking at it like we're a nation decline that's going to
fail? So my hope is that it has to
come down to my generation, Generation Z, and particularly
it has to come down to the young men.
I just think men are the ones who are always going to fight
the war is always going to provide.
They're the ones who are going to restore the nation.
And so my hope is basically, and I see this more and more, more
and more young men are fed up with just the basic, you know,
wolf stuff, you know, L, GB, T stuff.
All of this stuff, it's they're fed up with it because men are
men, right? They want to have fun.
They want to be aggressive, they want to be physical.
So when they're told feminism nonstop.
When they're told you know men are toxic it's just too much.
So my hope and I'm I'm optimistic about this is that
the men are eventually going to rebel and they're going to sort
of be the ones who can save America.
I that's that's my hope Maybe it's too optimistic idealistic
but I mean we've been in you know go that I mean go
throughout history there have been declines and in rises.
So I'm I'm I am optimistic we can get out of this and things
will get better because of the young men.
All right. Fair enough.
So the last question about that is since you just brought it up.
If young men are going to save it, women have to to buy in.
That's the way that men decide to do things.
And one of two things can happen.
I think either men pushed away and women accept it or women
sort of secretly want men to to be men, which that's been my
experience in life. What do you think there are
women in Generation Z and I don't know, I just, I don't have
any interaction with Gen. Z probably for for my own
safety. I just don't need to be running
around like teenage girls. That would drive me nuts.
But what what is the what is the environment out there?
Both the dating environment, the social environment as you deal
with your peers of the other gender.
Like what does it look like? Where do you see it?
Does that give you hope? Well right now I would say it's
it's very it's very bad. Well, it's bad in my, you know,
I'm totally against the hookup culture stuff.
I'm, I'm, I'm of the, you know, I'm a Catholic.
So I believe, you know, you should marry or you should date
for marriage. You should be the same person
you know, all of that. That's what I believe.
But obviously. Gen.
Z doesn't believe in that. But I also, you know, I have to
believe that that's how, you know, that's how it's been in
the past where when, you know, the people were young, they were
having sex, partying. So I don't actually know how
different it is now than it is, you know, 30 or 40 years ago.
My hope is, you know, people mature.
I think what has been a real game changer are the dating apps
because that's just sort of opened up all this potential,
you know, oh, if I want to have sex, I can just download this
app and I can do it in that, you know, and people develop these
addictions and. You know, there's these studies
that like 90% of women go after 10% of men.
I mean, you know, all this stuff.
So that's what I worry about the most.
And also, you see these studies now women just don't want to
have children anymore. You know, there's a higher,
higher numbers. The study came out today saying
that 30% of households now only have one person and that's the
highest it's ever been. So we're seeing a lot of, you
know, this is definitely rapid change.
So, you know, I am a little pessimistic about the dating
scene. I'm not too interested in that
right now. Again, my hope is, as you said,
if the men push one way, the woman will follow.
That's sort of my hope. And I think a lot of women
sickly do want conservative guys.
That's sort of been the the the rule for a while now.
And I think that's that's definitely true.
Well, your mouth to God's ears. And as another Catholic, I, I
can appreciate that position. I think that whatever you're
saying makes sense. So I hope that is the way that
we end up going. I think it might be kind of
rocky in between. But yeah you're you're right.
I'd love to do another discussion at some point about
dating apps Internet dating, the sort of the role of pornography.
Sounds like you talked to Tucker about it.
I'm curious what the, what the view is from from your end of it
too at some point in the future because man it looks it looks
like that has been the major thing.
I I have the unique experience as you can imagine.
You must have had an entire digital lifespan, right.
You you grew up in the everything.
What year were you born? About 2003. 2003, so I'm a I'm a
junior in college at that point and and literally I had the
first Facebook accounts. I had the first, you know,
Napster accounts and file sharing.
And so I remember seeing those things.
I I downloaded my first MP3 when I was in high school, if you can
imagine how funny that is. And it took all night and I tied
up the phone lines and so when you do things like that, it's a
very different childhood and you guys grew up in a totally
digital experience And so the idea that 50,000 people would
read what you have to write at 19 years old.
Sounds sort of normal. It sounds insane.
It sounds wild to me. So I I think that'd be an
interesting exploratory talk. But I do really appreciate you
spending time with us. Thank you for proving that you
are not in fact a cyber terrorist.
I'm we're going to have to work on setting up this debate.
I think you doctor. Journey 2 fair moderators.
Like I said Joy Reid. Maybe Taco will get in.
I think that nothing could be it'd be the rumble in the jungle
kind of thing that would be a real wild that'd be a wild talk.
Thanks for spending. Yeah.
Thanks for spending some time. Good luck in this upcoming year.
Keep us posted with what's going on and we'll boost that the
Tucker interview for you too. Yeah.
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