1 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,760 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,190 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:01:06,190 --> 00:01:09,630 uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for 4 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:12,070 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:15,990 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:20,030 agent Kyle Serrif. Hello, my friends. 7 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:21,430 Welcome to the Kyle Serrif and Show. 8 00:01:21,430 --> 00:01:24,350 Thank you so much for joining me on this Friday, July the 14th. 9 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:26,910 I'm going to do something a little bit different because we 10 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:28,950 are on the road right now. We're going to give you a second 11 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:30,470 guest of the week. 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You're going to enjoy this. 65 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,440 This is our young friend Daniel Schmidt. 66 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:22,890 All right, ladies and gentlemen, as promised, we now have a guest 67 00:04:22,890 --> 00:04:25,010 who is a junior at the University of Chicago, a very 68 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:27,050 prestigious academic institution, a place that I 69 00:04:27,050 --> 00:04:28,930 visited when I was thinking about going there in the year 70 00:04:28,930 --> 00:04:32,970 2000, many, many years ago. And now we have Daniel Schmidt, 71 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:37,450 who is apparently an instigator, potentially a cyber terrorist, a 72 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:40,570 guy who has now experienced the wrath of the New York Times with 73 00:04:40,570 --> 00:04:42,490 a hit piece. There's nothing more suspendable 74 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:45,090 than having the New York Times say that they don't like you. 75 00:04:45,490 --> 00:04:47,450 And so we're going to welcome him to the Kyle Serafin Show. 76 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:49,090 Daniel, thank you for joining me, bud. 77 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:51,100 Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it. 78 00:04:51,380 --> 00:04:52,500 Yeah. So you've had a pretty 79 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:54,700 interesting go of it. I've seen you kind of poke in 80 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:56,460 the bear a few times. You have your own website. 81 00:04:56,460 --> 00:04:59,660 What's the website called? Not anymore, actually. 82 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:02,740 I used to have a website called College Dissidents, but I've 83 00:05:02,740 --> 00:05:03,860 actually stopped for some reason. 84 00:05:03,860 --> 00:05:06,220 So now it's just on Twitter. I'm totally independent. 85 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:09,380 And you have a significant following there, over 45,000, 86 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:12,970 what, 48,000 followers or so? Yeah, it's it's funny, after 87 00:05:12,970 --> 00:05:15,930 that New York Times piece dropped, I gained like 13,000. 88 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:18,250 So it's always like the unintended consequence. 89 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:20,810 It's like they try to smear me and I actually get more support 90 00:05:21,010 --> 00:05:21,890 because. No one is. 91 00:05:22,210 --> 00:05:22,810 Time. Seriously. 92 00:05:22,810 --> 00:05:24,690 Anymore. Yeah, it's the Streisand Effect. 93 00:05:24,690 --> 00:05:26,770 They don't understand how that works, that when they highlight 94 00:05:26,770 --> 00:05:28,330 someone, we go, oh, there's a culture warrior. 95 00:05:28,330 --> 00:05:31,770 We like that guy. So before we get too deep into 96 00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:33,730 the weeds of what you got involved in and how you decided 97 00:05:33,730 --> 00:05:35,770 to have the New York Times become your enemy, which is 98 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:37,850 always a fun thing to do, I'd like to kind of know just a 99 00:05:37,850 --> 00:05:39,090 little bit about you. Where you come from? 100 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:41,830 Where were you born? So I was born in actually Los 101 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:45,550 Angeles, CA and I I lived there for about 8 years and then I 102 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:48,870 moved to Tennessee and I want to say moving to Tennessee. 103 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:51,670 I live in a pretty normal town. That was what sort of opened my 104 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:54,430 eyes to like how normal Americans live. 105 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:57,910 And so then when I ended up at this elite school, you Chicago, 106 00:05:58,150 --> 00:06:01,110 I was like, wait a second, you guys have no idea what normal 107 00:06:01,110 --> 00:06:02,870 Americans think. You guys were totally in this 108 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:04,990 bubble. And I think that's what sort of 109 00:06:05,030 --> 00:06:08,070 given me like the energy and the strength to fight back is I feel 110 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:10,620 like. I'm a representative of middle 111 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:13,740 America, and most kids in my school have no idea what middle 112 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:17,020 America looks like. So you're obviously very bright 113 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:18,900 because you can't go to University of Chicago if you're 114 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,220 if you're a dim bulb. And yet you said that you're 115 00:06:21,220 --> 00:06:23,580 kind of one of the few people that has an awareness of what's 116 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:24,580 going on in the rest of the country. 117 00:06:24,620 --> 00:06:27,540 What are your classmates like? What what is the the attitude on 118 00:06:27,540 --> 00:06:28,900 campus in general? Yeah. 119 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:31,540 So it's super. I mean, these are the elite of 120 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:33,900 the elite they went to. Most of them went to super top 121 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:37,140 boarding schools in like, you know, Massachusetts, California. 122 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:39,740 Their parents are like Goldman Sachs executives. 123 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:41,500 I mean, this is really the coastal elite. 124 00:06:41,780 --> 00:06:44,020 And so they just have this attitude that number one, they 125 00:06:44,020 --> 00:06:45,500 think they're better than everyone else. 126 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:50,220 And #2, they buy into this, you know, insane woke elitism. 127 00:06:50,670 --> 00:06:52,870 Attitude. Total BLM people, you know, like 128 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:56,030 the people who have those yard signs, like in this house, we 129 00:06:56,030 --> 00:06:58,590 believe in science, we believe in Ukraine and all that stuff. 130 00:06:58,790 --> 00:07:01,990 It's like those kind of people just total like liberal, you 131 00:07:01,990 --> 00:07:04,510 know, coastal elites out of tide to just think they're better 132 00:07:04,510 --> 00:07:06,350 than everyone else. That's the sort of the average 133 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:09,150 kid at my school and probably all either early universities. 134 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:12,430 So how does your profile kind of interact as you walk around with 135 00:07:12,430 --> 00:07:14,790 that if you're if you're a regular guy from Tennessee? 136 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:18,990 Yeah, well one thing I always like to say is I have really 137 00:07:18,990 --> 00:07:22,030 never met another white middle class kid at my school. 138 00:07:22,030 --> 00:07:24,670 I think maybe I slipped through the cracks or I got lucky. 139 00:07:24,670 --> 00:07:26,270 Maybe it was an air in the emissions. 140 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:30,050 So, you know, it's definitely something and a lot of people 141 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:32,850 are kind of sending about it. They, you know, there there was 142 00:07:32,850 --> 00:07:35,370 one instance where I asked Liz Cheney a question. 143 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:38,490 She came to my school and afterward someone apologized to 144 00:07:38,490 --> 00:07:41,970 her for my behavior and said I'm the worst my campus has to 145 00:07:41,970 --> 00:07:43,810 offer. And this was in front of a crowd 146 00:07:43,810 --> 00:07:46,530 of maybe 1000 other students. So that's sort of the stuff I 147 00:07:46,530 --> 00:07:49,090 get into, but it's definitely like a fish out of water thing, 148 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:53,170 you know, But I enjoy it and I and I feel like, you know, I'm 149 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:54,530 trying to do something meaningful here. 150 00:07:54,530 --> 00:07:56,450 I'm not just trying to create outrage for attention. 151 00:07:56,450 --> 00:07:57,570 I. Really want to fight back. 152 00:07:57,850 --> 00:08:01,290 And my goal is, I hope kids at my school see, like, okay, you 153 00:08:01,290 --> 00:08:03,690 know, maybe this is what the rest of America thinks. 154 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:06,450 And, you know, because they think, I mean, I don't even know 155 00:08:06,450 --> 00:08:08,410 if they've ever met a conservative before or at least 156 00:08:08,410 --> 00:08:11,130 a Trump supporter before until maybe me. 157 00:08:11,170 --> 00:08:14,530 So if I can just provide this other perspective, that's what 158 00:08:14,530 --> 00:08:16,010 I'm trying to do. But yeah, you know, it's been 159 00:08:16,010 --> 00:08:17,170 chaotic. It's been fun. 160 00:08:18,410 --> 00:08:21,370 Surprisingly, I've never actually had a negative, like, 161 00:08:21,370 --> 00:08:23,890 Facetoface interaction. I think either the kids are too 162 00:08:23,890 --> 00:08:25,770 scared or maybe they don't care enough. 163 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:29,100 A lot of talk on social media, obviously, including this 164 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:31,780 professor who I'm sure we'll get into, but it's actually not been 165 00:08:31,780 --> 00:08:35,299 so bad so far. So you, I actually saw that 166 00:08:35,299 --> 00:08:37,380 interaction with Liz Cheney. That was brilliant stuff. 167 00:08:37,419 --> 00:08:39,059 And you've done a couple of those where you've kind of 168 00:08:39,059 --> 00:08:42,299 popped up and done this sort of it's not ambush journalism, but 169 00:08:42,299 --> 00:08:45,140 it's real questions, let's say in in an otherwise sort of puff 170 00:08:45,140 --> 00:08:48,720 scenario, right? Yeah, so my school has a bunch 171 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,600 of people. You know, we always invite big 172 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,560 speakers. So the two I've had the 173 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:54,880 privilege to ask questions to were an Applebaum. 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Who's this Atlantic journalist and Liz Cheney, An Applebaum she 175 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,790 came to my school to. Basically talked to us about 176 00:09:01,790 --> 00:09:04,670 fighting this information. Obviously this information to 177 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:07,190 them means, like, the truth. And so I asked her, like, do you 178 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:10,710 think the media was wrong to call the Hunter Biden laptop 179 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:13,910 story Russian disinformation? I asked her that right when no 180 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:15,750 one really believed the story in the media. 181 00:09:16,030 --> 00:09:18,550 And her answer was like, actually, I don't find the story 182 00:09:18,550 --> 00:09:20,230 that interesting. And I I couldn't believe her 183 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:22,230 answer. And so that video was posted to 184 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:24,110 Twitter. I think it got a million views, 185 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:26,990 a lot of attention. And then a few months later, Liz 186 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:29,380 Cheney came to speak. And this was when she was still 187 00:09:29,380 --> 00:09:31,300 in Congress. And I asked her, I said, will 188 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:34,940 you on the record say you demand the prosecution of Ray Apps. 189 00:09:34,940 --> 00:09:37,420 He's an actual Insurrectionist caught on video. 190 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:40,060 You're talking about, oh, we need to arrest insurrectionist. 191 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:42,460 Here's a guy who's actually saying, let's go on the Capitol. 192 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:44,340 Do you think he should be prosecuted? 193 00:09:44,620 --> 00:09:47,180 And her answer was basically just condescending me for two 194 00:09:47,180 --> 00:09:49,980 minutes, calling me a conspiracy theorist, saying I know nothing. 195 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:53,010 And the odd is booing at me. I mean, it was really like a 196 00:09:53,010 --> 00:09:55,090 show. But, you know, I like to think 197 00:09:55,330 --> 00:09:57,450 they come to these schools thinking all the kids are going 198 00:09:57,450 --> 00:09:59,890 to, like, worship them and just, you know, ask no toughball 199 00:09:59,890 --> 00:10:02,050 questions. So if I can throw them off guard 200 00:10:02,050 --> 00:10:04,410 a little bit, that that's my goal and that's what I've tried 201 00:10:04,410 --> 00:10:07,090 to do so far. What are your parents like? 202 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:09,410 How did you end up being this guy that wants to go out there 203 00:10:09,450 --> 00:10:11,810 and I kind of poke the bear in this in this place where they 204 00:10:11,810 --> 00:10:14,510 don't expect it? So surprisingly, I've actually 205 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:16,910 grown up in a single mother household for most of my life, 206 00:10:16,910 --> 00:10:19,110 which a lot of people maybe are surprised by. 207 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:23,070 And my mom is just super confident, Christian, outgoing, 208 00:10:23,070 --> 00:10:24,950 hardworking. So she's sort of instilled with 209 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:27,790 me the confidence to really press hard. 210 00:10:27,790 --> 00:10:29,870 And so I really attribute it to that, honestly. 211 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:33,600 And is she very political? She agrees with me. 212 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,040 She's not like a political activist, but we pretty much 213 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,400 agree on everything, which I'm thankful for cuz I can, You 214 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,080 know, if I had parents who disagreed with me, which I know 215 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,280 unfortunately a lot of conservative kids do, that would 216 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,000 be difficult. So fortunately we see eye to eye 217 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,880 on like everything. Interesting. 218 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,800 You said a lot of conservative kids have parents that don't 219 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,280 agree with them. That's supposed to be the 220 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,560 opposite way, isn't it? Isn't that the way that things 221 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:56,120 have gone historically, as far as you understand? 222 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:59,910 Yeah, well, you know, I have several friends who tell me, 223 00:10:59,910 --> 00:11:02,990 like, hey, my mom made me get the vaccine and she almost 224 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:04,670 kicked me out of the house. I mean, I've heard like some 225 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:07,750 real horror stories and so, yeah, it's weird. 226 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:10,830 But, you know, I feel like a lot of young kids now, at least from 227 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:13,550 what I've seen, I feel like there's a there, there's a bit 228 00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:17,070 of a awakening happening among some of the youth now where 229 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:18,710 there's just so much. I mean, they just see it 230 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:21,630 happening everywhere, all this woke stuff, this LGBT stuff. 231 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:23,460 And I feel like the kids are waking up. 232 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:26,540 Maybe the boomers aren't really as much, but the kids are waking 233 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:27,740 up and they're saying enough is enough. 234 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:29,100 That's what I've witnessed, at least. 235 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:32,780 It's kind of an interesting swing and I guess there's always 236 00:11:32,780 --> 00:11:35,460 swings in in history, but when I was a kid. 237 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,400 When I was your age, I mean we were anti whatever anybody told 238 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,680 us to be. If they said you have to be 239 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,800 something, right? Like that was the whole idea is 240 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,000 is there a culture of punk rock among young people anymore? 241 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,400 That's exactly it. And that's what I've been 242 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,120 saying, which is, where is the rebellious youth like? 243 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,720 I gave this one example in just interviews before, which is my 244 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,800 school had finally gotten rid of the of the mask mandate. 245 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,200 This is back in 2021, so kids didn't have to wear a mask 246 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,520 anymore. And it's like, thank goodness. 247 00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:06,290 And then literally the next day I went in this classroom and the 248 00:12:06,290 --> 00:12:08,970 kids weren't wearing masks, but the professor was like, and, you 249 00:12:08,970 --> 00:12:11,570 know, total, you know, liberal guy, whatever. 250 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:14,530 He was like, listen, I know the mask mandate had just ended, but 251 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:17,250 we're still in a pandemic. So if you could all wear a mask, 252 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:19,370 I would appreciate it. And I kid you not. 253 00:12:19,370 --> 00:12:22,250 Within like 10 seconds, every single kid around me went their 254 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:25,050 backpack and put a mask on. And I'm thinking exactly what 255 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:27,970 you said, which is what happened to the rebellious youth, like if 256 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:30,160 this were in the 60s. The kids would not be wearing 257 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,640 masks. They would call a coward. 258 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,080 They would make fun of people wearing masks. 259 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,960 They wouldn't get the vaccine. They certainly wouldn't get 234 260 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,560 booster shots. And it's so ironic how now the 261 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,920 real quote, UN quote, rebels are like Christian conservatives, 262 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,360 which is like, so funny to me because in the past those were 263 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,800 like the boring, lame, dorky people, But now they're like the 264 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,440 rebels. They're the ones who are saying 265 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,480 something that no one else is going to say. 266 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,280 It's just such an inverse of, like, human relations. 267 00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:57,510 There's a a song that Huey Lewis in the news did that's called 268 00:12:57,510 --> 00:12:59,310 Hip to be Square. Do you know that song? 269 00:12:59,670 --> 00:13:02,590 No, I'm too young for that. Go look for it. 270 00:13:02,590 --> 00:13:04,350 Find it on YouTube, Download that song. 271 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:07,070 Well, you listen to it and you'll see there there is always 272 00:13:07,070 --> 00:13:08,550 a swing back. I don't know why it it, it 273 00:13:08,590 --> 00:13:10,590 oscillates between these two poles, but right now we're in 274 00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:13,390 that weird moment. So what did you go in there to 275 00:13:13,390 --> 00:13:14,710 study? What you what did you, what 276 00:13:14,950 --> 00:13:17,550 attracted you to the University of Chicago, which is obviously 277 00:13:17,550 --> 00:13:19,790 going to be in a liberal city and a liberal thing going on if 278 00:13:19,790 --> 00:13:22,770 you came out of Tennessee? So several things I I came in 279 00:13:22,770 --> 00:13:26,050 wanting to study economics and you Chicago pretty widely 280 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:27,770 accepted has the best economic school. 281 00:13:28,010 --> 00:13:30,290 You know Milton Friedman taught there Thomas Soul. 282 00:13:30,570 --> 00:13:33,490 It really was the spearhead for like Reaganomics and free 283 00:13:33,490 --> 00:13:35,050 markets. So has that history. 284 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:38,170 But what if the school also has a history for is protecting free 285 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:41,370 speech which was very important. You know I got into several top 286 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:44,290 schools but I was looking at every single one and their 287 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:46,690 record of free speech is just abysmal right. 288 00:13:46,690 --> 00:13:49,450 Like they have no protection of free speech if you say something 289 00:13:49,450 --> 00:13:52,330 there at like Yale, Harvard. Stanford, they're going to kick 290 00:13:52,330 --> 00:13:55,810 you out like there's just no if you're gone and yet you. 291 00:13:55,810 --> 00:13:58,850 Chicago. Famously in 2016, they actually 292 00:13:58,850 --> 00:14:01,450 released this statement saying we're not going to have safe 293 00:14:01,450 --> 00:14:03,450 spaces, we're not going to have trigger warnings. 294 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:05,810 This was a big deal at the time. This was like the top tier 295 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:08,570 school going against the grain when Trump was running. 296 00:14:08,570 --> 00:14:11,650 I mean, it was a big deal. And so I want to go to a school 297 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:14,530 that actually cares about free speech, and I'm sure we'll get 298 00:14:14,530 --> 00:14:16,450 into this later. But, you know, I want to make it 299 00:14:16,450 --> 00:14:18,050 clear, I don't actually hate my school. 300 00:14:18,050 --> 00:14:21,050 I think my school is doing a pretty decent job relative. 301 00:14:21,130 --> 00:14:23,650 To every other school. In fact, you know, as we'll get 302 00:14:23,650 --> 00:14:26,970 into, this professor tried to get me expelled twice and my 303 00:14:26,970 --> 00:14:30,090 school said no both times. That wasn't easy for them to do. 304 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:32,610 I guarantee any other school would have just gotten rid of 305 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:34,010 me. I'm too much of A nuisance, you 306 00:14:34,010 --> 00:14:36,330 know, annoying, whatever. The fact that you, Chicago 307 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:38,970 defended me twice, I have a lot of respect for. 308 00:14:39,090 --> 00:14:43,050 But yeah, so it was the economics, the legacy, the free 309 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:45,130 speech. Those are the two main things 310 00:14:45,130 --> 00:14:47,570 that I think distinguishes you, Chicago, from pretty much every 311 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:49,510 other school in America. Yeah. 312 00:14:49,510 --> 00:14:52,310 So they called what the Chicago statement is sort of this, this, 313 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:56,110 this principle of free speech and what that was really on your 314 00:14:56,110 --> 00:14:58,790 calculus as you were looking at, at the options you had in front 315 00:14:58,790 --> 00:15:00,870 of you as where you wanted to go as free speech. 316 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:04,110 Listen, I'm not going to go to a school and then get expelled 317 00:15:04,110 --> 00:15:05,710 like two years in. I mean, what what would that 318 00:15:05,710 --> 00:15:07,350 accomplish? I want to get a college degree. 319 00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:09,630 I think that's important. And I want to be able to be 320 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:11,270 free. Like, I don't want to, you know, 321 00:15:11,270 --> 00:15:13,630 a lot of people are like, listen, if you're a 322 00:15:13,630 --> 00:15:15,650 conservative. You still have to, you know, 323 00:15:15,650 --> 00:15:18,850 just be quiet, play by the rules, you know, and get your 324 00:15:18,850 --> 00:15:21,330 degree and get out. To me, that's just like being 325 00:15:21,330 --> 00:15:23,010 fake. Like, I, you know, for example, 326 00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:26,930 I wrote my college essay about going to a Trump rally, which I 327 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:29,410 guarantee every single college advisor would say, What are you 328 00:15:29,410 --> 00:15:30,770 doing, kid? Are you stupid Like you? 329 00:15:30,770 --> 00:15:33,090 Do you want to get rejected? But I've always been of the 330 00:15:33,090 --> 00:15:35,370 mindset that, like, you should never pretend to be someone 331 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:37,090 else. Like, that's just that kills 332 00:15:37,090 --> 00:15:38,850 your soul. That's exactly what they want. 333 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:41,290 It's like, And then once you start pretending enough, you 334 00:15:41,290 --> 00:15:44,410 start being that other person. So I'm always just being fully 335 00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:46,570 transparent. If they don't like me, okay, 336 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:47,930 good riddance. I don't want to go there. 337 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:51,450 And yeah, I want to go to a school where I can be vocal and 338 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:53,930 not have to worry about being expelled because literally 339 00:15:53,930 --> 00:15:57,090 that's how it is at every other top school and maybe even just 340 00:15:57,490 --> 00:16:00,190 every university, period. All right. 341 00:16:00,190 --> 00:16:03,150 So free speech was one of your deciding factors. 342 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:04,470 I think that's really, really interesting. 343 00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:07,910 That wasn't even in my mind when I was 18/19/20 years old. 344 00:16:07,950 --> 00:16:09,630 I I guess that the environment is so different. 345 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:11,990 It's incredible that what does free speech mean to you? 346 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:13,990 What what, what sort of speech do you think should be 347 00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:15,430 protected? Are there any limits on free 348 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:16,430 speech that you're concerned about? 349 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:20,050 Well it's a very interesting question because you know and as 350 00:16:20,050 --> 00:16:22,330 what I keep hinting toward what we'll talk about but a lot of 351 00:16:22,330 --> 00:16:25,050 people are calling me a hypocrite for calling out this 352 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:27,850 this class called the problem of whiteness and saying you know, 353 00:16:27,850 --> 00:16:30,250 oh you're pro free speech but you want to get a class 354 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:32,690 cancelled. The way I see it is this I think 355 00:16:32,690 --> 00:16:35,130 every individual should be able to say whatever they want. 356 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,930 Like I I I don't believe in hate speech. 357 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:38,330 I don't believe in any of that nonsense. 358 00:16:38,570 --> 00:16:42,010 Where I do find there to be a problem is you see now 359 00:16:42,010 --> 00:16:45,730 universities are firing professors for the most like 360 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:48,290 normal things imaginable. Like, I saw this one professor, 361 00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:51,730 he's claiming he got fired because he said sex is based on 362 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:53,810 chromosomes. I mean, this is like the most 363 00:16:54,130 --> 00:16:56,570 basic thing ever. I saw another professor, I think 364 00:16:56,570 --> 00:16:59,090 at Penn State. He said the English department 365 00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:01,210 made him say English is white supremacy. 366 00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:04,550 So what I'm trying to say is clearly we're not in a fair game 367 00:17:04,550 --> 00:17:08,150 when it comes to like institutional approved language 368 00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:09,630 right? Universities are going to fire 369 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:12,829 some people for some things and allow other people for clearly 370 00:17:12,829 --> 00:17:14,990 egregious things like this anti white stuff. 371 00:17:15,349 --> 00:17:18,190 The way you see it is if our side cannot have a fair shake in 372 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:21,869 promoting literal troops like sex is based on chromosomes, I 373 00:17:21,869 --> 00:17:24,390 don't think these anti white people or these critical race 374 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:26,710 theorists should have the university's blessing and 375 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:28,630 promoting their stuff. Like that's a way for us to 376 00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:30,660 lose. And I guess one of my 377 00:17:30,660 --> 00:17:33,740 controversial opinions is I feel like the left has actually been 378 00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:35,940 kind of successful in that they're aggressive, they're 379 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:39,620 fighting, they're trying to be on the offense, whereas a lot of 380 00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:42,180 conservatives are, are just solely on defense. 381 00:17:42,180 --> 00:17:43,460 They don't really go after the left. 382 00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:45,940 They kind of just stay where they are and if the left goes 383 00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:47,500 after them, then they fight back. 384 00:17:47,580 --> 00:17:49,940 I'm trying to promote the approach that we need to 385 00:17:49,940 --> 00:17:52,460 aggressively fight back against this critical race theory stuff, 386 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:55,700 this DII, this DII stuff, this anti white stuff. 387 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,380 You know, I think the Santas, he kind of started this approach, 388 00:17:58,380 --> 00:17:59,500 It's going to become more popular. 389 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:03,140 Which is like we should have, in a sense, a cancel culture. 390 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:06,220 Like there should not be classes saying white people are a 391 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:08,060 problem. Like, let's just be, let's just 392 00:18:08,060 --> 00:18:10,540 be real. Now, if an individual wants to 393 00:18:10,540 --> 00:18:13,500 say that, fine. But when you have a multibillion 394 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,140 dollar university promoting that stuff and then that same 395 00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:19,980 university fires people who say sex is based on chromosomes, I 396 00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:22,450 mean, that's not fair. So I hope that makes sense. 397 00:18:22,450 --> 00:18:25,570 But I I sort of feel like we need to be realistic about the 398 00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:28,250 sort of cultural war we're in, and we can't just be totally 399 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:31,010 based on principles always, because we're going to lose and 400 00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:33,730 the left's going to win. So you picked a fight with a 401 00:18:33,730 --> 00:18:36,410 professor on on campus. Is this a professor that you 402 00:18:36,410 --> 00:18:38,170 would have taken a class from? Is that something that you would 403 00:18:38,170 --> 00:18:39,210 have had to take a class from her? 404 00:18:39,610 --> 00:18:41,330 No, it was fortunately an elective. 405 00:18:41,330 --> 00:18:43,970 She was like, I think she literally is like my school has 406 00:18:43,970 --> 00:18:46,370 a major called Critical Race Theory, like literally, and 407 00:18:46,370 --> 00:18:48,470 she's a professor in them. In that major. 408 00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:50,030 So no, I would have stayed away from her. 409 00:18:50,510 --> 00:18:52,670 That that checks out. And she's called you a cyber 410 00:18:52,670 --> 00:18:55,350 terrorist, a cyber bully, a couple of other sort of choice 411 00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:56,710 terms. The New York Times has come to 412 00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:58,990 her aid. Set up the conflict here and 413 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,630 let's set up why you had this hit piece come out. 414 00:19:01,670 --> 00:19:03,630 What's the background on it? Yeah, absolutely. 415 00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:07,990 So this all started when I was registering for classes last 416 00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:11,510 winter was going to the list of classes on my university and I 417 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:14,790 saw this one class and it was called the problem of Whiteness. 418 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:18,100 And it just instantly stood out to me on a gut level, like, what 419 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:20,380 is this class saying? That there is a problem with 420 00:19:20,420 --> 00:19:22,940 whiteness, and then whiteness is white people. 421 00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:25,580 So you're just saying white people, essentially. 422 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:28,580 And then if there's a problem, there's a solution. 423 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:31,460 I mean, it's not an exaggeration to say we're basically 424 00:19:31,460 --> 00:19:33,780 approaching like Nazi Germany rhetoric. 425 00:19:33,780 --> 00:19:36,500 There's a problem with the people that requires a solution. 426 00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:39,290 And I mean it should go without saying but Can you imagine if 427 00:19:39,290 --> 00:19:41,330 there were a class called problem of Blackness, Problem of 428 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:45,130 Jewishness, Problems of Anyness. I mean it would be it would have 429 00:19:45,130 --> 00:19:47,050 ignite, my school would have burned down by not probably. 430 00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:50,970 So I figured people deserve to know what's being taught at 431 00:19:50,970 --> 00:19:54,610 these elite institutions because this course catalog was only 432 00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:57,090 available to students. So this is not I think now it's 433 00:19:57,090 --> 00:19:59,770 public but beforehand it was it was only open to students. 434 00:19:59,970 --> 00:20:02,650 So what I've used my Twitter in the past is to sort of show 435 00:20:02,650 --> 00:20:05,170 people what's being taught at these schools so. 436 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,240 I made a thread about the class. I talked about the course 437 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,320 description, I talked about who's teaching the class, cuz I 438 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,680 mean I think it's incomplete if you don't know who's teaching 439 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,600 this class. And the tweet blew up. 440 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240 I think it got over a million impressions, so a lot of 441 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,660 traction. And next thing I know, this 442 00:20:23,660 --> 00:20:27,100 professor, she's calling me a cyber terrorist, a cyber bully. 443 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,820 The most egregious thing she said, in my opinion, was she 444 00:20:29,820 --> 00:20:32,900 wrote an article from my school's newspaper and she 445 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:36,500 basically said my tweets may inspire a school shooter 446 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:39,380 essentially to shoot her up, the class up, everything. 447 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:41,260 And I I couldn't believe that at that point. 448 00:20:41,260 --> 00:20:45,180 I was like, this is insane. And then, you know, she got, she 449 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:48,500 got a lot of negative emails, a lot of hate, hateful emails, 450 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,820 which I don't approve by any stretch of the imagination. 451 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:52,260 I made that clear to the New York Times. 452 00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:54,900 Because every single journalist you asked me, I say I condone 453 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:57,980 all of that because it's disgusting and I don't encourage 454 00:20:57,980 --> 00:20:59,460 hate for anybody. But you know that that's the 455 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:01,460 nature of the Internet is, you know, you're going to teach a 456 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:02,780 class called the problem of Whiteness. 457 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:04,420 You're going to provoke some people. 458 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:08,900 And so anyway, then she said all those nasty things about me, and 459 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:11,700 the worst thing was she tried to get me expelled twice. 460 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:14,980 She filed 2 separate complaints with my administration, 461 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:17,860 essentially saying I incited like. 462 00:21:18,370 --> 00:21:21,010 Death threats against her that I was trying to get her injured. 463 00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:24,170 And fortunately my school rejected both of those. 464 00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:27,130 And I thought it was all quiet. And then out of nowhere, this 465 00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:30,610 New York Times piece comes. So I guess this professor wanted 466 00:21:30,610 --> 00:21:32,730 to go after me one more time. And I guess where else do you 467 00:21:32,730 --> 00:21:34,610 run than the New York Times, I suppose. 468 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:39,010 And actually today, funnily enough, this CNN wrote an oped 469 00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:43,250 some Obama person essentially calling me a bully, saying, you 470 00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:46,010 know, I'm just a bad person. So they're really going after me 471 00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:46,530 now. I don't. 472 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:50,090 I don't mind so much, but. I'm just surprised they like I'm 473 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,090 like I'm literally a 19 year old college kid. 474 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:55,170 Like I I just, I'm amazed they they are focused so much on me. 475 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:57,890 But I guess that means what I'm doing is somewhat effective. 476 00:21:57,930 --> 00:21:59,690 So. Well, the alternative is they 477 00:21:59,690 --> 00:22:02,050 would have to go and explain why there's cocaine at the White 478 00:22:02,050 --> 00:22:03,930 House, right? So I want, I want to read the 479 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:06,370 New York Times piece right here. Just a little piece of it. 480 00:22:06,370 --> 00:22:09,930 It says, although provocatively titled, the Anthropology course 481 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:12,490 covered familiar academic territory. 482 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:15,210 How the racial category, quote, UN quote white. 483 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Has changed over time. What did you see in that that 484 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,400 course description that concerned you other than the 485 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,920 title did? Did it seem like it was a 486 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,800 provocative title only? No, in the course description. 487 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,040 And if you go to my Twitter, you should be able to find this, it 488 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,600 says whiteness is a problem with world making and raising 489 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,600 effects. I mean straight up. 490 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,160 And you know, now she's trying to play this like intellectual 491 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,320 game and she's like, oh, I'm not actually talking about white 492 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,080 people. I'm talking about whiteness and 493 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,580 talking about this and that. It's all just be. 494 00:22:43,580 --> 00:22:45,500 I don't buy that at all. I mean that's just a way to 495 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:47,300 escape it. You know, whiteness itself. 496 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,860 This is a concept that the Critical Race Theorist came out 497 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:52,820 to essentially target the categorization of white people 498 00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:55,260 to say race isn't real. I mean all this nonsense. 499 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:58,580 And what's also funny enough is this woman says, oh, I'm not 500 00:22:58,580 --> 00:23:01,260 anti white at all. I'm not, I'm, I'm totally what's 501 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:02,980 what? What's what's so funny is that 502 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:06,620 in her, in her response to me and her little media to her, she 503 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:10,340 was like, he is an exact example of white rage and white 504 00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:12,420 fragility. So I'm like, OK, you know, you 505 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:13,660 literally. I just hate white people. 506 00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:15,380 Just say it out loud. Be honest about it. 507 00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:18,020 You know, it's like if you want to say you're not, if you don't 508 00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:20,100 hate white people, then you know, why are you using these 509 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,780 literal coded terms to just denigrate all white people? 510 00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:26,140 It's just it's just like it's it's intellectual jargon to 511 00:23:26,140 --> 00:23:30,180 confuse people, this guy to to to distract from what's really 512 00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:32,860 at core here. Now her name is Rebecca Journey. 513 00:23:32,860 --> 00:23:35,340 She's a PhD lecturer. Over there, she sounds like a 514 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:38,160 new professor. And I'm looking at pictures of 515 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,320 her. And let's not mistaken, she 516 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,720 looks like a white lady, is she not? 517 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,760 Well that's the thing. It's like the most anti white 518 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,440 people are all white people. Like I've met plenty of black 519 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,360 people who agree with me who say this anti white stuff is crazy. 520 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,040 I think I actually saw a new poll kind of related to this 521 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,080 that said more, more black people oppose affirmative action 522 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,890 and support it. So the only. 523 00:23:57,290 --> 00:23:59,690 Yeah, the people who are who are just supporting this stuff are 524 00:23:59,690 --> 00:24:01,210 literal, like white women like her. 525 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,850 And what's also really funny is if you look at what she's 526 00:24:03,850 --> 00:24:07,050 studying, like what her specialty is in, it's literally 527 00:24:07,050 --> 00:24:08,930 the most insane thing ever Get this. 528 00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:12,890 Her specialty is in is in eugenics in Denmark. 529 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:15,090 I I kid you not. That's her expertise. 530 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:17,130 She's studying eugenics in Denmark. 531 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:19,250 Is there a big. History of that there, you know. 532 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:22,410 I guess so, but it's like, that's what you're, you know, 533 00:24:22,530 --> 00:24:25,130 here's your academic. It's like just a total joke. 534 00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:27,350 And then in the meantime, you're over there. 535 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:28,710 So are you still studying economics? 536 00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:32,350 Yeah, yeah. So how many of these sort of 537 00:24:32,350 --> 00:24:36,470 fringe weird classes are? You know, we floating around, we 538 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:38,550 make a lot of jokes, I think in the conservative world about how 539 00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:40,310 people are coming out with gender studies degrees. 540 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:42,030 When I was a kid, they used to talk about you come out with 541 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:43,830 underwater basket weaving. That was the joke. 542 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,320 And I don't know if anybody's doing underwater basket waiting 543 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,480 now. They're all talking about gender 544 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,640 theory, they're talking about race theory, they're talking 545 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,360 about these sort of things. How prominent is that as far as 546 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,800 majors on campus that you run across? 547 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,880 Yeah, no, there are entire majors dedicated to gender 548 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,560 studies, critical race theory, and again, I think you Chicago 549 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,000 is better than most. I think if you go to like 550 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,520 Berkeley, Yale, I mean it's really something else there. 551 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,280 But you know, the most egregious thing is. 552 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,200 Taxpayers are funding this. I don't know if you're aware, 553 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,120 but universities, even the private ones, they receive tax 554 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,680 money from the government. So we're all indirectly paying 555 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,040 for this in some capacity. So I mean, it's just a total 556 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,440 joke. And then these are the same 557 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,720 people who say the government needs to pay off their student 558 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,480 loans, Americans need to pay for it. 559 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,960 I mean, it's just. You're right. 560 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,200 It's I think it is exaggerated to an extent. 561 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,800 The whole, you know, basket weaving thing is obviously a 562 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,840 joke but it's certainly there. And again what I think is just 563 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,480 worrisome is it's becoming more and more widespread. 564 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Like I think initially these anti white classes were just 565 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,080 taught at like law schools and universities, but now we're 566 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,640 seeing them taught at like high schools, elementary schools, you 567 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,920 know, super, super young and everywhere. 568 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,280 And that's what's happening is these universities are like the 569 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,640 testing grounds for the stuff where where the stuff usually 570 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040 starts and then it spreads. And that's the worrying thing is 571 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,080 that it's not just relegated to these, you know, universities, 572 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240 it's it's really everywhere. I guarantee there are, you know, 573 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,520 people like Rebecca journey at, like at tons of high schools, 574 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800 you know, everywhere. And that's, you know, that's 575 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,600 very worrying, obviously. All right, so you've got some 576 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,000 friends that have, you know you're halfway through your your 577 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,200 undergraduate right now. You've probably got some friends 578 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,240 going out of the workforce. How are they being received by? 579 00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:21,220 The real world, as we used to call it when I was when I was 580 00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:22,620 coming out of school. How is that? 581 00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:25,700 How is this sort of environment jiving with the real world? 582 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:27,980 Do you mean what do you mean by that? 583 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:29,620 Do you mean like the hiring processes? 584 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,020 Yeah, Well, I mean are they seeing that this is received 585 00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:35,580 well in corporate America as a as a junior employee or are they 586 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:37,340 looking into are they walking into culture? 587 00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:39,620 Shock. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 588 00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:41,540 But you know about the same token. 589 00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:43,260 A lot of companies have embraced this stuff. 590 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:46,740 A lot of companies now have DIDEI executives, I mean, and 591 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:49,740 also this thing with ESG where. When he's actually received 592 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:52,300 benefits if they have more diverse employees. 593 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,900 I mean the the the crazy thing is you know even if you go to an 594 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,020 elite school, Harvard, Yale, you, Chicago, whatever, if 595 00:26:58,020 --> 00:27:01,780 you're a white guy, you're still like really the chances of you 596 00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:04,940 getting into let's say like a financial job are are are not 597 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:06,540 good anymore because you're a white guy. 598 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:08,260 I mean it really is a scary stuff. 599 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:10,620 Fortunately that's not the industry I'm trying to go into. 600 00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:14,500 But you know if that's what you're asking is it's it's not 601 00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:19,050 you know, the the the. Like what's happening on these 602 00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:22,010 universities is really spreading to these companies as well. 603 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:24,530 Like it's not just isolated to universities. 604 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:27,170 So that's my that's what my what we know. 605 00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:30,250 One of my points, which is this is permeating all of society. 606 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,490 I think that's well said and that's that's the concern that 607 00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:36,130 I'm or the most interesting thing to me is if it's isolated 608 00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:37,890 to university. Universities have always been 609 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,890 sort of liberal institutions, a lot of free thought, a lot of 610 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:43,530 people studying things that I think have minimal impact on the 611 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:45,920 world. But, but where does it go and 612 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,800 and and as you said, it sounds like it's creeping. 613 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,360 So that is being received and and you mentioned something just 614 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,720 that that troubles me. You said white guys are having a 615 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,200 hard time looking at a job like that should have anything to do 616 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,960 with it. How how did students react to 617 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,240 that, if that's an accepted fact or at least an accepted belief 618 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,800 coming out of school? Well, it's just something you 619 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,640 can't talk about. I mean, what's really 620 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600 interesting is, you know, I get Dm's from guys at my school all 621 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,880 the time being like, dude, I agree with you on everything, 622 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,160 but man, I wish I could speak up, but I can't. 623 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,440 I mean, they're basically expected. 624 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,800 If they want to get a job at like Wall Street, for example, 625 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,200 they have to totally shut up. They have to learn their place. 626 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,200 You're a white male, be quiet. And you know, there's really 627 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840 nothing they can do about it Because, you know, if you're at, 628 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,560 if you're one of these companies and they find out you're a 629 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,120 conservative, you know, you're getting fired from there. 630 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,480 So there's really not much they can do about it. 631 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,920 It's how do. It's sort of like the reality. 632 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640 Of today. And what's really weird is like, 633 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960 you know, I go on LinkedIn, for example, and all of these 634 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,920 companies nonstop are bragging about how diverse their 635 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,520 employees are and how they care about, you know, gender this and 636 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,240 gender that. I mean, it is totally, you know, 637 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,840 if you're a white guy or even an Asian guy, it's just so 638 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040 demoralizing. You feel like you're not wanted 639 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160 in society anymore. And I think sooner or later 640 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,840 we're going to see a backlash from this. 641 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,320 I just think it has to get even worse than this to a point where 642 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,200 people just don't even care anymore and they're just going 643 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,480 to say what they think. So you had kind of an 644 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,040 interesting history. You started off doing some 645 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240 student journalism and then it sounded like you had to found 646 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,680 your own website. Now you've moved on to the 647 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,680 social media platforms. Can you kind of walk us through 648 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,200 how that worked? Obviously you were out there 649 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080 covering those two events and you had some, you know, some 650 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,480 runins which they New York Times likes to talk about in the 651 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,600 student paper. What did that look like for you? 652 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,120 Yeah, sure. So I initially wrote for the 653 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,320 student newspaper at my school, the mainstream one. 654 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,750 It's called the Chicago Maroon. And I got in this bit of a spat 655 00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:35,910 with this left wing girl columnist and they see what 656 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:39,550 happened was she wrote this super long article going after 657 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:42,750 people who oppose masks. And I'm like, wait a second. 658 00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:46,830 I saw this exact girl at a party not wearing a mask, even though 659 00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:49,990 you were supposed to just hypocrite, which is what you see 660 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:52,190 everywhere. And so, you know, she's a public 661 00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:53,590 figure. She writes for the newspaper. 662 00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:55,470 She's a columnist. You know, if she didn't want 663 00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:57,470 scrutiny, she wouldn't be writing for a newspaper. 664 00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:01,340 So I called it on social media and the next thing you know, I'm 665 00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:04,220 I'm getting a message from the editors saying I'm harassing 666 00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:06,060 someone and my behavior is egregious. 667 00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:07,940 So I got fired from that newspaper. 668 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,360 And then I wrote for the conservative newspaper on my 669 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,480 college, and you would think, you know, OK, you're not going 670 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,560 to get fired there. Well, sure enough, they 671 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,800 basically fired me because I'm too vocal, I'm too outspoken, 672 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440 and maybe I'm too, quote, UN quote far right for them. 673 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,400 So I got fired from there as well. 674 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760 And so I had to start my own thing for a little bit. 675 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,120 It was called college dissidents. 676 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,560 I had to stop it for some financial reasons. 677 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280 So now I'm just basically on Twitter doing my own thing, 678 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,680 which I'm totally fine with, But that's just how it is, I guess, 679 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,480 if you're an outspoken conservative kid. 680 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:38,500 So what? What about you? 681 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:41,980 Is too far right for a conservative newspaper at a 682 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:43,540 elite school like that? What? 683 00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:46,940 What sort of ideas do you? Have I think number one, I've 684 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:50,260 always been super vocal about January 6 calling it a Fed 685 00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:53,900 surrection talking about you know how just the feds were 686 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,660 involved in my, my, my Liz Cheney question for example. 687 00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:59,380 So I think that was it. Also the anti white stuff. 688 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,080 Very few conservatives, even today are comfortable using the 689 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,400 word anti white. And I've always been willing to 690 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,040 say it. I think it's important to say it 691 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,560 because the language you use is important. 692 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,480 But I think most of all, it's not even an ideological thing. 693 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,760 It's just an approach thing. Most conservative students, at 694 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,920 least at Elig an elite school, are very quiet, very docile, 695 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,560 which, you know, that's their approach. 696 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,640 Fine, I'm super outspoken. I'm. 697 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,200 I believe, you know, you need to go out on the field, you need to 698 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000 talk to people. You need to raise your voice. 699 00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:30,570 And I just think they didn't, they didn't vibe with that. 700 00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:32,890 So those, you know, I wish them well. 701 00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:35,050 I don't, I don't want them to fail, obviously, but it was just 702 00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:37,650 a difference in approach and I think some beliefs. 703 00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:41,130 Are you a an athlete of any kind? 704 00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:43,250 Were you in debate or anything that led you to sort of this 705 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:45,770 confrontational nature that you have, which I love by the way? 706 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:48,250 In like debate, that sort of stuff. 707 00:31:48,770 --> 00:31:52,810 And funnily enough, debate even is totally corrupted now. 708 00:31:52,890 --> 00:31:55,770 I had this funny story which is in my first month in college. 709 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,360 I couldn't do a debate tournament because I was white. 710 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680 I'm not even joking. They banned me because I'm 711 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,000 white. This tournament is only open and 712 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,400 on whites. And I realize at that point, 713 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,200 okay, debate's over. It's corrupted. 714 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,760 It's done. And I kind of stopped doing 715 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,280 that. So we. 716 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,520 Dig into that a little bit longer. 717 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,320 First of all, what is the scenario? 718 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,760 How did you find out that you can't go specifically because of 719 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,560 skin color, which seems insane to me. 720 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,720 Just any anything that you can give us as far as background on 721 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,680 that? Yeah, No. 722 00:32:25,670 --> 00:32:28,590 It's absolutely insane. So you know, I I came to the 723 00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:32,070 school again. I come from a Middle Tennessee 724 00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:33,910 household. You know, we don't have any of 725 00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,350 this anti white diversity stuff over here. 726 00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:38,630 I came to the school first month in college. 727 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:39,950 I tried to do this debate tournament. 728 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:42,830 They say no, sorry, this debate tournament is only open to non 729 00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:45,110 white people. And it was just so hilarious 730 00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:47,830 because they get, you know, the kid telling me this is this 731 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:50,390 Indian guy who went to like the best boarding school in America. 732 00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:53,710 His dad is literally like a Goldman Sachs executive and he's 733 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:55,470 basically telling me I'm privileged and I. 734 00:32:55,670 --> 00:32:58,110 And do it because I'm white and I'm just like, I'm looking at 735 00:32:58,110 --> 00:33:01,270 him and then I'm looking around the room and no one finds like, 736 00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:03,670 anything wrong of this. No one's, no one's doubting it. 737 00:33:03,670 --> 00:33:05,830 No one's questioning it. White people aren't doing 738 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:08,210 anything about it. I'm just like, what is this 739 00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:10,090 like? So it's a debate tournament, 740 00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:12,210 man. This is not like white people. 741 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:15,130 It's just it was it was egregious and so I wrote an 742 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:18,650 article about it and it kind of got some decent attention and 743 00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:20,970 funnily enough, the next year it didn't happen. 744 00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:23,410 So I don't know if that was completely because of me, but I 745 00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:25,890 have to believe they got some scrutiny and didn't want to do 746 00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:29,030 it. Some other stories I almost I so 747 00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:31,710 I did the bait for a little bit. You know that that particular 748 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:34,030 tournament I was banned for, but I did a few others. 749 00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:38,790 I almost lost around because I I forgot to give a trigger warning 750 00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:41,430 at the beginning of a round. And I was talking about like a 751 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:43,710 war or something, and I almost lost it because they said, hey, 752 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:45,630 you know, you didn't give a trigger warning. 753 00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:48,230 And I was again, I mean, I'm just like, are you serious right 754 00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:49,990 now? And you also have to state your 755 00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:51,750 pronouns at the beginning of every round. 756 00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:53,950 And I didn't do that. So I mean to pay, it's totally 757 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:55,190 done. It's it's over. 758 00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:57,750 Hold on, we got to go back to that one. 759 00:33:58,030 --> 00:34:00,230 First of all, help people like we hear about these trigger 760 00:34:00,230 --> 00:34:02,790 warning things. I always find out that it's kind 761 00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:05,670 of a joke and I think the people that are in my age bracket, I'm 762 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:07,710 41, so you can kind of gauge that. 763 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:11,670 It's not a joke. Apparently they're asking for 764 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:13,949 actual How are you supposed to know what's supposed to trigger 765 00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:15,670 people? Well that's The funny thing is 766 00:34:15,670 --> 00:34:17,790 you have to just assume any remotely offensive thing. 767 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:20,630 So like if let's say your debate tournament topic is about like 768 00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:23,190 war, you have to give trigger warning violence, trigger 769 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:25,670 warning death, trigger warning chemical attacks. 770 00:34:25,670 --> 00:34:28,989 I'm not you have to literally get like a 5 minute heads up and 771 00:34:28,989 --> 00:34:31,909 if someone does is is triggered by that, I think you have to 772 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:34,469 like literally change the topic. I mean it is just it's insane. 773 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,920 And so, yeah, no, they're certainly real, and you can 774 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,480 literally lose around in a debate tournament because you 775 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:48,639 failed to give trigger warnings. Whoa, that's that's really heavy 776 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,040 to me. And and here's why. 777 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,199 The only thing that when you were saying that to me that I 778 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,320 that resonated was the concept of selfcensorship. 779 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080 Maybe reflect on that in the environment that you're in. 780 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,040 Yeah. No, absolutely. 781 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,050 I mean. There's, I mean, you know, and 782 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:06,530 debate might just seem like some nerdy little like thing, but 783 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:10,850 it's like, you know, debate used to be like the way it's actually 784 00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:12,730 really interesting. Debate tournaments used to be in 785 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:14,650 debate as like a sport, if you want to call that. 786 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:17,530 That used to be the way that, like middle class people 787 00:35:17,530 --> 00:35:20,770 actually got into elite schools. Like it was either you belong to 788 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:23,530 some rich family and so, you know, you got into like the 789 00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:27,130 Kennedys, for example, or you were like a star debater and you 790 00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:29,210 kind of rose the ranks. Like Ted Cruz, for example, I 791 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:30,570 think went to like a normal high school. 792 00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:32,610 But he was an incredible debater and he went to. 793 00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:34,250 Princeton And then he got into the US Senate. 794 00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:37,410 It's like what we're seeing now is that every sort of merit 795 00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:40,490 based way to get into an elite school, to rise the ranks is 796 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:43,170 being totally corrupted now. So you have that angle and then 797 00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:45,810 you also just have the angle, which is when you debate, you're 798 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,330 supposed to think freely, you're supposed to challenge, you know 799 00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:50,010 your notions. You don't see any of that 800 00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:51,930 nowadays anymore. I mean, it's actually is scary 801 00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:54,000 because. Now and what's also really 802 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,840 interesting is now the only sort of acceptable debate topics are 803 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,680 like the most obscure things imaginable. 804 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,440 Like are there 76 genders or 77 genders? 805 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,600 Like I kid you not, that's a legitimate topic. 806 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,400 Everything else is is accepted. So like vaccines, good. 807 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040 You can't debate that Trump racist can't debate that. 808 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,960 Republicans, Nazis can't debate that. 809 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,640 Like you can If you're a conservative in college debate 810 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,280 nowadays, you're you know, you're done for. 811 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,040 You're literally are done for. So yeah, it does have, it does 812 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,000 have wide-ranging effects. It's not just like some who 813 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,080 cares, it's like this. Is going to affect the way we 814 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,160 think. And also, you know, it's no 815 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,120 surprise why we have these totally incompetent people in 816 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,240 our White House now like Cringe Jean Pierre, whatever, you know, 817 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,120 we're just total morons. Those are the people who are 818 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,600 getting into the elite now and they come up through these 819 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,360 debate tournaments. They come up through these elite 820 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,600 schools. They take these problem of 821 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,240 whiteness classes. This is your future elite. 822 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,520 And if you think it's bad right now, wait till my generation 823 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,080 gets into politics. We're going to it's it's it's 824 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,890 actually quite scary. Yeah, it sounds terrifying to 825 00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:57,010 me. A lot of this stuff sounds 826 00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:59,890 really, really scary. Historically, as I understand 827 00:36:59,890 --> 00:37:01,010 it. I didn't engage in debate, but I 828 00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:03,010 knew guys who did, and I respected at least the cerebral 829 00:37:03,010 --> 00:37:06,250 chops that it takes to do it. People would pick a position 830 00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:08,650 that they didn't believe in simply for the challenge of 831 00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:12,530 debating and the challenge of taking on an argument that maybe 832 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:14,930 they didn't have any emotional connection to, but they wanted 833 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:18,850 the the intellectual chess match of trying to see if they could 834 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:20,850 justify it. Isn't Isn't that sort of the 835 00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:22,530 purpose of it? No, not anymore. 836 00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:25,130 Because even if you don't agree with it, if you just take that 837 00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:28,410 position, they're going like you have the audacity to defend 838 00:37:28,410 --> 00:37:29,850 Trump. Like, are you kidding me? 839 00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:32,410 You have the audacity to say there are two sexes? 840 00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:34,970 I mean, it's just totally demonized. 841 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:37,330 So no, that doesn't happen anymore. 842 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,120 It's it's sad but I I would encourage people if you're if 843 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,840 you're if watching this Google just there's a great video on 844 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,520 YouTube of this Harvard debate tournament you would think OK 845 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,520 these people are phenomenal. It's literally the most like 846 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,600 disgust. It's like the most incompetent 847 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,680 people imaginable. They're talking about like rap 848 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,600 music it and they're like barely speaking English. 849 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,400 It's it's absolutely insane. I mean it the decline of like 850 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,800 the meritocracy and like merit and like Excellency event is 851 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,440 totally one of the greatest failures of like America in the 852 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,740 21st century. Well we've seen the the what is 853 00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:13,100 it Smithsonian Museum on African American history tell us that 854 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,300 certain things like being on time and work ethic are are now 855 00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,060 a problem. Right. 856 00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:19,740 Those are, those are all issues. Excellence is in fact a problem 857 00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:21,980 itself. Let's pivot away from that and I 858 00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,340 want to I want to touch on something that may be 859 00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:24,980 controversial and and if you don't want to talk about it, 860 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:27,460 totally understood. They bring up a connection to 861 00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:30,020 support for Kanye West which I find interesting but I don't 862 00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:32,780 necessarily understand. And a guy named Nick Fuentes who 863 00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:35,380 I know some things about and he seems awful but I would I would 864 00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:36,300 interview him. I don't care. 865 00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:39,280 So I'm kind of curious. What are they trying to touch on 866 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,200 there? What do you think the New York 867 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,960 Times is trying to say? And then more importantly, what 868 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000 is the real story that's there? Sure. 869 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,480 So Kanye West, now known as Yay, I, supported him for president. 870 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080 I've been a big fan of his music for ages and I thought he was 871 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,160 interesting. I've been kind of bored with 872 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,320 Trump. Desantes. 873 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040 I I love Trump. I I still do love him. 874 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,200 But I was hoping for something a little fun. 875 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,040 You know, I'm always about like, how far can we push, how far can 876 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,800 we push the needle. I'm a bit of a provocateur, if 877 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,760 you will. And so when YAY announced, he 878 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,720 was going to. Run in November. 879 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,320 I supported it, which was controversial at the time, 880 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,320 obviously, and a lot of people on Twitter didn't like it, but I 881 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,160 just thought it'd be fun. I'm again a big fan of his 882 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160 music, which, you know, people might find surprising 883 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,920 concerning. I'm a skinny white guy, but I 884 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120 like a lot of his music, so I supported it. 885 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,440 And yeah, Nick Fuentes, he's the guy who was involved with Yay in 886 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,000 his campaign for a period of time. 887 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,960 And so there's that connection there. 888 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,360 But the New York Times is trying to do is because Nick Fuentes 889 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,680 has his reputation. They're basically trying to 890 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,280 smear me by. Association. 891 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,280 I'm like you. I'm going to talk to anybody, 892 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,440 Even if someone is, you know, deemed whatever, I think 893 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,000 everyone deserves a fair chance. And like 9 times out of 10, 894 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,280 maybe even every single time, whatever the media calls someone 895 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,480 is never true. There's always more to it. 896 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,800 They always have more sophistication, more nuance, 897 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,200 especially on the right. I've never really met someone on 898 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,880 the right who's just like a dummy and has like the most the 899 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,560 base takes ever. They always have some 900 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,920 sophistication, some nuance, some death. 901 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:08,810 And so you know but by this association they want all the 902 00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:11,850 readers to associate Nick Fuentes who they think is this 903 00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:15,610 whatever they want to call him Nazi whatever with me just to 904 00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:17,970 totally describe to me, which is just it's a lazy tactic. 905 00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:21,490 I mean we could do that with I mean for example Obama is what 906 00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:24,410 was was friends of Louis Farrakhan who called Jews like 907 00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:27,570 rats or something. I'm like Obama and anti semi 908 00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:29,010 over that. That's just ridiculous. 909 00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:30,670 But that's what they do. Sure. 910 00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:33,390 All right. So and and Nick Flint has just 911 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:35,230 popped up on something else earlier today. 912 00:40:35,230 --> 00:40:37,670 Yeah, I guess he's speaking at the University of Arizona with 913 00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:39,550 Jacob Chansley. And so. 914 00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:41,630 And Jacob Chansley was responding out there in the 915 00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:43,030 world. And this is all Twitter stuff. 916 00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:44,350 So I've. I've engaged in the Twitter 917 00:40:44,350 --> 00:40:45,510 drama in my life, which is funny. 918 00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:46,510 I'm. I'm in your world now. 919 00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:48,910 That's not my world. But but I look out there and you 920 00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:51,670 see this and and he says, you know, what should I do? 921 00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:55,470 Jacob Chansley, the famous Q Anon Shaman who just got out of 922 00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:57,030 prison and he says what should I do? 923 00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:59,390 Should I be going out there and. You know, should I, should I 924 00:40:59,390 --> 00:41:01,030 boycott this event? And I DM'd him? 925 00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:02,630 I don't know if he'll get it, but I have a big enough account, 926 00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:05,590 people tend to read it. And I sent him a DM and I said 927 00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:08,990 go talk to him and if he says something foolish or racist or 928 00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:10,430 awful, then blow it out of the water. 929 00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:12,230 The only answer to bad speech is good speech. 930 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:15,670 So what is the, what is the story with Nick Fuentes? 931 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:16,830 They're obviously trying to smear him. 932 00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:18,150 They say that he's a Holocaust denier. 933 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:20,350 And the piece that I'm looking at here, which is Yeah, like you 934 00:41:20,350 --> 00:41:21,950 say, that's an anti-Semitic smear towards you. 935 00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:23,550 They're trying to say you're both white guys and you both 936 00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:25,390 have hair, so you must be the same. 937 00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:29,620 I can see that pretty clearly. What do you think the Are there 938 00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:31,140 any positive takes that Nick wanted? 939 00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:33,340 I don't know enough about what his political statements is 940 00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:35,620 other than that he seems to be kind of a like what we'd call 941 00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:38,820 like a like a shit disturber. That's what my dad would call 942 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:40,460 him like. He goes out there and stirs the 943 00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:41,540 pot. He might be a terrible human 944 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:42,380 being. I I don't know. 945 00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:44,140 I just. I'm not really in the business 946 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:46,050 to like. Condemn people. 947 00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:47,290 I find out they'd be kind of pathetic. 948 00:41:47,290 --> 00:41:48,530 So I'm not going to say anything about. 949 00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:51,330 I'm not really in the industry of saying anything that, you 950 00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:53,690 know, I've talked to him a few times and he was always nice to 951 00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:55,210 me. So I don't really have anything 952 00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:57,730 personally bad to say about him, but I'm not going. 953 00:41:57,730 --> 00:42:00,310 To any any sakes that. Does he have any takes that he's 954 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:02,590 like, said, hey, I believe this thing and then you're like, oh, 955 00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:04,110 I don't know about that. Has he ever? 956 00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:05,190 Really. I don't really. 957 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:07,110 I'm not really, you know, I don't want to say anything 958 00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:08,590 because I don't know if it's true. 959 00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:10,430 I I don't know too much about him, honestly. 960 00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:12,110 I've spoken to him a few times, but I'm not. 961 00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:14,230 Again, I'm not in the business to just condemn anyone. 962 00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:15,550 I find it to be kind of pathetic. 963 00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:17,150 I think people are over that. Also. 964 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:20,150 People are over, just like condemning someone over this and 965 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:21,950 that. So I'm not I I don't really have 966 00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:24,470 anything else to say about this. I'm going to. 967 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:25,830 I'm going to throw a topic at you. 968 00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:28,190 Just totally blind. You haven't heard this before. 969 00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:29,190 Maybe. Are you familiar with the group 970 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:30,950 called Moms for Liberty? Okay, what do? 971 00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:32,750 You What do you take away from them? 972 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:36,110 What do you know about them? Well, I know they are called 973 00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:38,190 like an antisemitic Nazis or something. 974 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:40,550 I don't actually know too much about what they've said or what 975 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:42,630 they've done, but I I know they're being smeared. 976 00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:44,630 I actually don't. Can you fill me in on that, 977 00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:45,630 actually? Yeah, let's do it. 978 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:49,710 So and and this is just a like a a reasonable guy take, I'm kind 979 00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:52,240 of curious on yours. So they have a newsletter that 980 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,600 they put out from each of their chapters. 981 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,200 They have whatever, 130 chapters around the country and their 982 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,800 moms, as you can imagine. And the moms are interested in 983 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,600 going to school boards and pushing for whatever policies 984 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,560 they want, as is their right as Americans. 985 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,200 And throughout this, they're talking about their newsletters, 986 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,000 talk about resisting government indoctrination for children. 987 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,400 You know, our children are the future. 988 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,720 So on and on one of the newsletters in one of the 989 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,880 chapters of the 130 or so chapters they have. 990 00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:18,420 One of them has a quote up in the top right hand side of the 991 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,780 newsletter. It says Mom's for Liberty, you 992 00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:23,500 know, episode #10, the date, the month and the year, and so on. 993 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,380 And underneath it, it hasn't just a block, no context. 994 00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:30,540 It says something to the effect of whoever owns the children 995 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:34,800 owns the future Adolf Hitler. OK. 996 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,080 Now, do you think that is someone saying, man, we really 997 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,640 got to emulate Adolf Hitler or do you think there's a nuanced 998 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,240 position in in 2020? Wait, so did they, did they 999 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,960 quote Adolf Hitler or was it just an Adolf Hitler quote? 1000 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,440 Like, did they put this quote came from Adolf Hitler? 1001 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,640 Yes, they did. They, They quoted Adolf. 1002 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,080 Adolf Hitler's name is right next to it. 1003 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,680 Right. Well, that's obviously not a 1004 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,320 good look. I mean, yeah, I need 130 pages. 1005 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,080 I have to. Did someone slip it in Maybe? 1006 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,200 No, no. This is 130 chapters being 1007 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,280 there's different organizations around the country, they all 1008 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,180 follow into the same umbrella. This is like a two page emailed 1009 00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:06,540 newsletter to to moms. Okay. 1010 00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:08,180 Yeah. I mean it's obviously not a good 1011 00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,620 luck but again I'm not in the. I just I find it to be pathetic 1012 00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:14,820 to just condemn people over the stuff Like I don't know what 1013 00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:16,100 the. I would I would ask them I'd say 1014 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:18,540 what you mean by this do you like Adolf Hitler like why did 1015 00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:21,300 you include this And if they if they say I love Hitler, okay, 1016 00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:25,660 obviously I don't agree. With that, the response was. 1017 00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:27,740 Like this gut. And I think it's just kind of 1018 00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:29,780 because, again, like the left doesn't do this, man. 1019 00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:32,620 I mean, the left has some really bad people, but they don't 1020 00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:33,620 really. To condemn people. 1021 00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:35,660 They don't go after people in their own ranks. 1022 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:38,220 I don't think so. And so for the right to have 1023 00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:40,980 this like police mentality, I just want it to be like gross, 1024 00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:43,180 like, you know, talk to the person, get to know them better. 1025 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:46,820 And if you take away okay, this is a despicable person, sure, 1026 00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:49,540 get get rid of them. But to just see something and 1027 00:44:49,540 --> 00:44:52,340 your knee jerk reaction is condemned them, you know, get 1028 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:53,860 rid of them. I just don't like that. 1029 00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:55,900 I find that they'd be kind of like pathetic. 1030 00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,540 I don't know that that's what I think maybe, you know is that 1031 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:01,050 going to. They were reached for comment, 1032 00:45:01,090 --> 00:45:03,930 and the comment was that it was lacking the context, that they 1033 00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:07,130 were using it as a cautionary tale, because stealing the 1034 00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:09,850 children was the way that you indoctrinate the children with 1035 00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:11,490 that. Does that, does that sit right? 1036 00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:14,490 Well, it makes a bit more sense. I don't know if it's again, I 1037 00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:16,570 wouldn't use a Hitler quote, obviously. 1038 00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:20,730 But you know again I'm just, you know, I, I, I, I'm, I'm saying 1039 00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:23,610 what I said, I don't think it's, I don't think it's good for 1040 00:45:23,610 --> 00:45:25,970 conservatives just to attack other conservatives. 1041 00:45:26,350 --> 00:45:28,230 For being too edgy, I find that to be a waste. 1042 00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:31,070 I mean, we are literally battling people who think kids 1043 00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:33,550 should be allowed to change your gender at like 4 years old, five 1044 00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:35,470 years old. And yet conservatives are more 1045 00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:37,030 focused about what some moms are saying. 1046 00:45:37,350 --> 00:45:39,150 I just it's a waste of effort and energy. 1047 00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:40,990 Like I don't really. And if you disagree, I'd love to 1048 00:45:40,990 --> 00:45:43,830 hear your point. But I just find it to be it's 1049 00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:45,430 not, it's not worth that, the energy. 1050 00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:48,550 Well, I did a whole podcast where all I did was quote Hitler 1051 00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:52,270 for an hour and describe them as cautionary tales, because Hitler 1052 00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:54,070 said a lot of really interesting things that we should note. 1053 00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:57,030 Are incredibly dangerous, and they are harbingers of things to 1054 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:58,630 come. If you watch what the political 1055 00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:59,950 left is doing, that's my take on it. 1056 00:46:00,350 --> 00:46:02,790 I'd be cured. In fact, go watch that episode, 1057 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:05,310 if you like, and go check it out and then let me know if you find 1058 00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:07,510 it to be inflammatory. I think that when someone tells 1059 00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:09,670 me I can't do something and I I probably have a little bit more 1060 00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:12,150 sense of you, a little bit more age, but I still do the same 1061 00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:13,430 thing. If someone says no, you can't do 1062 00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:15,470 this, that's probably the first thing I'm going to want to do. 1063 00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:18,390 Don't touch that pan. I'm going to find out how hot it 1064 00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:20,350 is. And I can actually see scars to 1065 00:46:20,350 --> 00:46:22,030 prove it. And when there's this such 1066 00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:24,430 censorship of certain people, when people, when you, when 1067 00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:26,830 you're told nonstop, you can't listen to him, you can't support 1068 00:46:26,830 --> 00:46:29,350 him, you can't believe in him, it's like I'm going to look in 1069 00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:30,710 them more. It's a strides in effect, just 1070 00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:32,910 like when the New York Times dropped this article, I gained 1071 00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:36,030 13,000 followers from that. It's like, thanks for the boost. 1072 00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:37,670 Like, I have to actually thank the New York Times. 1073 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:40,870 Yeah, thanks for the attention. It's like, you know, and maybe 1074 00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:43,430 20 years ago when people actually respected the Times, 1075 00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:45,110 it's like you actually get a hit piece in there. 1076 00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:47,510 You're done for, man. But no one takes them seriously 1077 00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:48,870 anymore. Just like when these. 1078 00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:52,310 You know, SPLC organizations call someone this and that. 1079 00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:54,630 No one takes them seriously. It's only going to help them 1080 00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:56,830 more. And you know, that's just that 1081 00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:58,910 because that it's like the boy cry world situation. 1082 00:46:58,910 --> 00:47:01,430 You call someone a Nazi million times, they're not a Nazi. 1083 00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:04,670 Then the one real Nazi emerges, no one actually cares anymore. 1084 00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:07,070 And then they gain power. And then that's when things 1085 00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:10,430 really hit the fan. I think that also seems true. 1086 00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:12,710 My kids are now very young, but they are learning The Boy who 1087 00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:14,590 Crawled Wharf story. We are talking about that very 1088 00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:16,870 frequently. It's it seems to be lost. 1089 00:47:16,990 --> 00:47:21,390 I actually read an Aesop's fable today about the The Raven and 1090 00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:22,630 the Swan. Do you know the story? 1091 00:47:23,330 --> 00:47:25,330 No, you know, yeah, I need a little bit of a I. 1092 00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:27,490 Didn't remember it either. It's been a long time since I 1093 00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:28,530 saw. It's a lot longer than probably 1094 00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:30,770 than since you saw these things. But essentially the story is a 1095 00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:34,090 Raven looks at a swan, sees the swan and thinks what a beautiful 1096 00:47:34,090 --> 00:47:35,610 creature I would like to be a swan. 1097 00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:39,090 So it flies down out of its perch, it stops eating, carrying 1098 00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:42,490 and things like that, and it hangs out in the water and it 1099 00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:45,330 swims around with the other Swans and it eats lake weed and 1100 00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:48,010 ducks its head underwater and it preens itself and washes itself 1101 00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:51,210 until it slowly Withers away and dies from starvation. 1102 00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:54,340 Because you can't wash yourself and eat weeds if you are a 1103 00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:56,020 Raven. And the moral of the story 1104 00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,500 obviously being no matter how you change your behavior, you 1105 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,340 cannot change the physical nature of what you are. 1106 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:01,900 I thought that was an amazing thing. 1107 00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:05,580 My wife, who is kind of based, kind of shared that with my kids 1108 00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:08,340 who are four and six years old, and let them kind of understand 1109 00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:09,420 the takeaways. They're a little bit too young 1110 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:11,620 to probably understand it. But just like The Boy Who Cried 1111 00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:13,820 wolf, there were these tales that we all grew up with. 1112 00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:16,260 And I imagine that you probably saw Aesop's fables in some 1113 00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:20,220 variety or some format. And they used to actually teach 1114 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:21,940 us something. Now I feel like they're they're 1115 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:25,020 just a lesson of what racist looks like or something or it's 1116 00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:28,220 it's it's the PhD topic of a of a Rebecca Journey. 1117 00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:30,380 Yeah, yeah. No, it's sad. 1118 00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:34,380 So OK, so imagine this. You've had some conflict with 1119 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:35,540 this woman. Have you ever engaged her 1120 00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:36,820 personally, by the way, out of curiosity? 1121 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:38,780 I'm definitely not going to do that now. 1122 00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:41,020 After all the things she said about me and how I'm harassing 1123 00:48:41,020 --> 00:48:43,380 her, I feel like if I even like, look at her, she's going to 1124 00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:45,560 accuse me of. Physical harassment. 1125 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,720 So I'm I've, I've never seen it in public, but even if I did I 1126 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,120 would not go up there. Let's say there's an organized 1127 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,360 situation debate over this topic, the problem of whiteness, 1128 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,400 why it should be discussed. She wants to present her 1129 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,840 arguments on why you're going to present the arguments on what 1130 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,480 the what the issues are with that particular academic topic. 1131 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,090 Would you sit and debate her? No, absolutely. 1132 00:49:04,090 --> 00:49:06,050 If it were like an organized debate in front of like an 1133 00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:08,210 audience. A New York Times moderator and 1134 00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:10,050 maybe somebody from. Fox News, you would know. 1135 00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:12,610 I mean, if she were respect, but I don't think she would. 1136 00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:15,770 I think she would say I'm just going to lie or something, but I 1137 00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:16,930 don't know. I would love to do that though. 1138 00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:19,050 Absolutely. Should we try to set something 1139 00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:20,410 like this up? Because I because I know you've 1140 00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:22,330 had some pretty You got to interview Tucker Carlson. 1141 00:49:22,690 --> 00:49:23,690 Right. I'm out. 1142 00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:24,890 Yeah, that was phenomenal. Yeah. 1143 00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:27,930 Talk to me about that, and then we got to talk to Tucker Carlson 1144 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:30,530 into moderating this debate and we can get somebody like maybe 1145 00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:32,010 maybe Joy Reid can sit next to it. 1146 00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:33,370 There's no way she's going to do that. 1147 00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:37,290 But no, the Tucker interview, I was very fortunate. 1148 00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:39,810 I'm not going to say how I got his conduct info because that's 1149 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:42,090 just private, but he reached out to me at a certain point. 1150 00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:46,130 We talked was was phenomenal. Guy, as I've said this on 1151 00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:48,850 Twitter, literally one of the nicest, most humble guys I've 1152 00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:51,210 ever spoken to, despite his massive fame. 1153 00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,890 I mean, really is a great guy. And then one day I was like, you 1154 00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:56,130 know what, what have I interviewed him? 1155 00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:57,570 And I literally just shot my shot. 1156 00:49:57,570 --> 00:50:00,650 I said, hey man, if we could talk for however long you want, 1157 00:50:00,850 --> 00:50:03,410 I I would love to talk to you about what you're normally not 1158 00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:04,530 asked. You know, he's usually asked 1159 00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:06,090 political questions, this and that. 1160 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,040 I wanted to ask him, like, what kind of kid were you in college 1161 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,080 and what advice do you have for young men? 1162 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,280 And do you think even college is worth it? 1163 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520 And what do you, you know, I asked him about how porn is 1164 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,760 damaging young men, you know, stuff pertaining to what I think 1165 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,280 is my audience, which is younger men. 1166 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,040 He agreed, surprisingly, was totally on board. 1167 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,640 And we did it and yeah, it was phenomenal. 1168 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,400 So yeah, total stellar guy, great guy. 1169 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,640 Where did that interview come out? 1170 00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:33,950 It was on YouTube, actually, so if you just googled Dan Schmidt, 1171 00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:37,030 Tucker Carlson, you should go to find it has around 60,000 views. 1172 00:50:37,470 --> 00:50:39,270 It's also pinned by Twitter, so yeah. 1173 00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:43,230 Seems really low, 60,000 views. If you want to boost it, I'll 1174 00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:44,590 love it. We will boost it. 1175 00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:46,750 We will absolutely boost it. I think everybody should go see 1176 00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:47,710 that. I think it's interesting. 1177 00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:52,270 Tucker is one of the most, like you say, he's he's so talented 1178 00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:55,940 and when he speaks. And everything he has to say, it 1179 00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:57,980 seems to run together. I don't he has a special gift to 1180 00:50:57,980 --> 00:50:59,100 be able to string words together. 1181 00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:00,820 What sort? Did you walk away with any sort 1182 00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:02,860 of thoughts that you that changed your perspective or did 1183 00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:03,900 you just think he was a great guy? 1184 00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:07,540 Well, it's been about a year, so I need to sort of recap. 1185 00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:11,740 You know, I I guess I just, I like how real he is. 1186 00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:15,300 I mean, I don't think any other Fox News host would have let 1187 00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,860 some kid, you know, back then I I had maybe 20,000 Twitter 1188 00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:20,980 followers. Now I have nearly tripled that. 1189 00:51:21,450 --> 00:51:24,330 So I don't think any any other Fox News host would would let 1190 00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:28,050 some kid interview them for 9 for 40 minutes, you know, and he 1191 00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:29,890 didn't ask me in advance, Hey, what are you going to ask me? 1192 00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:32,210 Don't ask me any curveball. I could have straight up just 1193 00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:34,370 debated him for 40 minutes and I think he would have done it. 1194 00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:37,530 So it was really just his realness is down to earth Ness, 1195 00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:40,730 that's the word. And I I just think he's, you 1196 00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:43,130 know, in that aspect in terms of takeaways, you know, again, I 1197 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:45,010 would have to rewatch it. I don't really remember exactly 1198 00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:47,060 what he said. You know, something he said, 1199 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:49,940 which I kind of disagree with, is he said drop out of college. 1200 00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:52,860 He really emphasized that. I would disagree with that. 1201 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,540 Now obviously if college is like an insane amount of money, 1202 00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:59,260 that's different. But I do think we still should 1203 00:51:59,260 --> 00:52:02,460 encourage young conservative people to go to college. 1204 00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:05,380 Doesn't have to be an elite school, but you should either go 1205 00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:08,180 to like trade school or, you know, a normal school. 1206 00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:10,940 Undergraduates get a degree because, I mean, the data still 1207 00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:14,260 shows that people of college degrees make way more money than 1208 00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:15,980 people who don't have college degrees, so. 1209 00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:17,700 I do disagree with that approach. 1210 00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,060 Maybe he was out of context or he wanted to say more. 1211 00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:23,420 But you know, he really emphasizes marrying young, 1212 00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:26,460 having lots of kids, think he married when he was like 20 or 1213 00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:29,340 21, which is unheard of nowadays. 1214 00:52:29,620 --> 00:52:32,140 So just sort of that advice, I mean, he feels like. 1215 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:35,270 You know, what's really interesting is, you know, a lot 1216 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:37,910 of young men now are growing up without fathers, me included. 1217 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:40,910 And so to hear this advice from him and people like Jordan 1218 00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:45,030 Peterson and even Andrew Tate, if you will, that advice is like 1219 00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:47,390 it's needed now. And it's so it's so absent 1220 00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:49,710 because I think 50% of households now don't have a 1221 00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:51,470 father or something. I mean, it's insane. 1222 00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:54,550 So I I just, I I I love what he's doing. 1223 00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:58,890 He's a really great guy. I want to dig into the idea of 1224 00:52:58,890 --> 00:53:00,690 college. Is it worth that sort of thing? 1225 00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:03,530 You you push back, he said. No, I kind of have the same 1226 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:04,290 instinct. I'm. 1227 00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:05,890 I'm a little older than you. I'm a little younger than 1228 00:53:05,890 --> 00:53:07,050 Tucker. So we're between there. 1229 00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:09,090 I went to college. Obviously, I can't speak from a 1230 00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:12,250 position of strength. And yet there does seem to be a 1231 00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:13,650 value proposition that's missing. 1232 00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:16,370 It's a lot of debt for most people, even for even for a 1233 00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:17,970 state school. There's a lot of money involved. 1234 00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:21,690 And let's say that you don't want to go do something that 1235 00:53:21,970 --> 00:53:23,250 says you don't want to be an accountant. 1236 00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:25,690 Let's say you don't want to be an economist. 1237 00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:27,250 You don't want to be a biologist. 1238 00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:29,610 How much sense does it make for some of your colleagues? 1239 00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:32,010 Do you have classmates that didn't go to school, That didn't 1240 00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:33,890 go to college and started in a trade or something? 1241 00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:38,410 High school classmates? Oh yeah, absolutely. 1242 00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:41,890 In high school, you know, I think only I went to like a very 1243 00:53:41,890 --> 00:53:44,650 deep red high school, you know, in the middle of Tennessee. 1244 00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:47,650 I think 50% of my graduate class didn't go to college. 1245 00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:50,970 So totally different story here if you go to like some fancy, 1246 00:53:51,050 --> 00:53:53,480 you know. Area in New England, it's like 1247 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,320 every single person goes to college, so there's a big 1248 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,960 difference there, you know, regarding college, I would just 1249 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,920 say the data is out there which shows number one, people of 1250 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,680 college degrees just make way more, even if it's the same sort 1251 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,920 of occupation. But #2 also, and this 1252 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,270 particularly relates to men. Very few women are are willing 1253 00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:15,910 to marry a guy who the earth, at least college educated women are 1254 00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:18,550 not, are not willing to marry a guy who doesn't have a college 1255 00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,030 degree. In fact, they're not even want 1256 00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:22,150 to marry a guy who makes less than them that most women 1257 00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:25,670 nowadays expect the guy to have a college degree and make more 1258 00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:27,590 than them. And so we're already seeing 1259 00:54:27,590 --> 00:54:29,230 this. I think there's a study now that 1260 00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:31,910 says 60% of men in their 20s are single. 1261 00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:34,750 So there's already this big dating issue because of like 1262 00:54:34,750 --> 00:54:36,990 dating apps and feminism and this and elsewhere. 1263 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,080 I would just urge a lot of young, a lot of young men to 1264 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,240 consider like, OK, if I don't go to college, am I going to be 1265 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,680 able to find a wife who loves me, who who, even if I don't 1266 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,720 have a degree, even if she makes more than me? 1267 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,480 I mean, there's these sort of things which may sound juvenile 1268 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840 or kind of like goofy, but I think are actually serious 1269 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,800 concerns. So I I would stress those two 1270 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,040 things. I'll stress the wages. 1271 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,960 The data is still out there that guys in college or people people 1272 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,720 call Jeres Mcmore, but also the marriage aspect, I mean. 1273 00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:07,620 It's it's it's it's harder to find a woman. 1274 00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:11,180 I got a good quality woman if you if you don't have a college 1275 00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:12,500 degree. But if you disagree with that, I 1276 00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,020 love to hear why. I'm not sure I do agree with it, 1277 00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:16,860 but I'm not sure I disagree dramatically either. 1278 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:18,740 I think it's so I I, I look at an example. 1279 00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:21,220 I'll give you an example. One of my best friends is a 1280 00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:22,860 special operator got out of the Air Force. 1281 00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:26,820 He was a deadly killer. He's a super stud and and he 1282 00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:28,740 married a girl that he met at his CrossFit gym who is an 1283 00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:30,140 attorney and he's never gone to college. 1284 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:31,940 He's one of the sharpest people I know he has. 1285 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,570 He's very well read. Yeah, he's incredibly 1286 00:55:34,570 --> 00:55:36,170 articulate. He's very funny and he has a 1287 00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:38,410 very subtle sense of humor. He's a good looking guy and he's 1288 00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:41,850 super fit. I think he probably made, you 1289 00:55:41,850 --> 00:55:45,450 know, $50,000 a year or less as a as an enlisted guy in the in 1290 00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:48,210 the Air Force and I think his wife makes over $300,000 a year. 1291 00:55:48,210 --> 00:55:51,170 So I've seen examples of it not be the case. 1292 00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:53,090 I've also seen buddies who were, you know, a lot of my friends 1293 00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:54,730 were special operations. So they're kind of exceptional 1294 00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:56,370 human beings. Whether they went to college or 1295 00:55:56,370 --> 00:55:58,050 not was sort of sort of irrelevant. 1296 00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:00,610 So they may be a bad test case, but. 1297 00:56:00,950 --> 00:56:02,710 There's something to be said about people in the trades that 1298 00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:04,070 get out there and start making money. 1299 00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:08,910 If you're making 204060, you know, $65 an hour doing a 1300 00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:10,950 specialty trade and it took you two years to earn it. 1301 00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:13,270 So you're 20 years old, you're now your age. 1302 00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:16,230 Now imagine yourself going out and making 60 or $75,000 right 1303 00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:19,870 off the bat and you got no debt because somebody paid your 1304 00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:21,930 training. You know, there's the whole 1305 00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:24,370 micro movement I think is is sort of interesting. 1306 00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:25,530 Have you, have you followed micro at all? 1307 00:56:25,530 --> 00:56:28,170 Are you familiar with them? Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that. 1308 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:30,690 And you know, when I say college, I'm including trade 1309 00:56:30,690 --> 00:56:32,650 school, I'm including anything just post high school. 1310 00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:35,970 I guess I want to clarify that. So yeah, trade school, 1311 00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:38,290 absolutely a valuable thing, if that's what you want to do. 1312 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,040 Yeah, me right now. Absolutely. 1313 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,240 I don't deny that. No, it's funny to watch because 1314 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,240 you look at people that came out and did certain things and they 1315 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,240 they made a bunch more money. I all remember I, you know, I I 1316 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,040 had the same sort of thought that I didn't want to go to a 1317 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,400 even a Military Academy because I didn't want the work of it. 1318 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,840 I wanted to be able to be free and have fun and and go learn 1319 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,280 things, you know, at my speed, which led to five years of 1320 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,880 college instead of four. If you can imagine they don't 1321 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,320 like when you get a 0.75 GPA, it turns out that's that is frowned 1322 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,240 upon. It's pretty hard to do too. 1323 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,960 You got to do a complete moron job. 1324 00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:08,740 But there is something interesting about folks that 1325 00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:11,220 kind of put their head down, did some hard work up front during 1326 00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:15,580 18 to 22 during those kind of power, academic knowledge years 1327 00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:19,500 and then walk out debt free with a job that pays them something 1328 00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:21,860 as opposed to are you taking on debt right now for what you're 1329 00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:22,740 doing? No. 1330 00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:25,620 So I'm actually on a full ride scholarship which is maybe that 1331 00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:28,060 maybe that impacts my viewpoint in college. 1332 00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:31,180 So I guess about that, I don't think I would be in college 1333 00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:33,700 right now if I had to pay amount to the debt so. 1334 00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:36,310 And and so that's the interesting thing and I, I love 1335 00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:38,230 it if you reported back to us too after you kind of talk to 1336 00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:41,190 some of those around you, because I'm sure there are some 1337 00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:43,750 scholarship students, but you've got to be an anomaly as far as 1338 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:45,510 being full academic. Is that what it is, full 1339 00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:46,910 academic? Yeah, yeah. 1340 00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:48,950 Yeah. So good on you for doing so. 1341 00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:51,310 I actually lost one of those. So I know a little bit about 1342 00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:54,630 what it takes to get one if you can imagine and I know and and 1343 00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:56,670 it also takes you just doing your job which sounds like 1344 00:57:56,670 --> 00:57:58,790 you're doing so. But yeah, I'm curious if it if 1345 00:57:58,790 --> 00:58:00,750 your perspective changes when you talk to some folks that look 1346 00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:02,160 like they're coming out with? What? 1347 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,960 What? What is an annual tuition 1348 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,880 payment at University of? Chicago, you Chicago is actually 1349 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,640 the most expensive school in America, so it's around 85,000 a 1350 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,520 year. It's insane. 1351 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,040 It's I would not be paying that much. 1352 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,610 You know, I would. Yeah, it's it's bad. 1353 00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:18,370 That's an incredible amount of money. 1354 00:58:18,690 --> 00:58:20,330 That's just the tuition. Or is that room and board too? 1355 00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:22,170 That's, that's everything. That's, that's that's 1356 00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:24,490 everything. So 80. $1000 a year. 1357 00:58:24,970 --> 00:58:28,330 Yeah, yeah, it's really. But I will say most students are 1358 00:58:28,330 --> 00:58:31,410 on like, I don't think many are paying the full sticker price. 1359 00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:32,650 That's that's rare. That's rare. 1360 00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:34,810 I think. So it's still, yeah, it's 1361 00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:36,010 insane. It is. 1362 00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:38,090 And then you mentioned that there's enormous endowments, not 1363 00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:41,090 and plus federal subsidy. So we're talking about somebody 1364 00:58:41,090 --> 00:58:43,090 is paying the salary of a Rebecca Journey. 1365 00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:45,510 By paying those eight, somebody's paying full price. 1366 00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:47,350 Oh, absolutely. There are certainly. 1367 00:58:47,350 --> 00:58:49,910 No, I mean, there are like Bill Gates' son went to my school, 1368 00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:51,510 for example. I'm sure he was paying all of 1369 00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:53,150 it. But and there are just a lot of 1370 00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:55,830 rich kids on my school, children of like Princess and fucking 1371 00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:57,910 Middle East or something. So yeah, they're not fair. 1372 00:58:58,030 --> 00:59:00,470 So yeah. It's going to be a strange world 1373 00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:03,230 for you to walk out of that. Where do you see yourself going? 1374 00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:06,070 What's the trajectory you're looking at and all kind of will 1375 00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:08,510 land on where you see the future is for you and then maybe what 1376 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:10,350 you what kind of world do you want to walk into as you're as 1377 00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:12,750 you're agitating there and and being a cyber terrorist? 1378 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,000 Right. So I definitely want to go on 1379 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,240 the either politics or political media. 1380 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,480 I mean I wouldn't be doing this if that's not what I wanted to 1381 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,560 do because I'm definitely not getting a job in like Goldman 1382 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,240 Sachs, McKenzie, that's that's gone. 1383 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,840 So definitely politics, political media maybe run for 1384 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,760 office, we'll see but in those areas for sure and. 1385 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,760 What do you think about America? Are you long on America or are 1386 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,400 you looking at it like we're a nation decline that's going to 1387 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,680 fail? So my hope is that it has to 1388 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,640 come down to my generation, Generation Z, and particularly 1389 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,280 it has to come down to the young men. 1390 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,200 I just think men are the ones who are always going to fight 1391 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,480 the war is always going to provide. 1392 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,080 They're the ones who are going to restore the nation. 1393 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,320 And so my hope is basically, and I see this more and more, more 1394 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,720 and more young men are fed up with just the basic, you know, 1395 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,200 wolf stuff, you know, L, GB, T stuff. 1396 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,000 All of this stuff, it's they're fed up with it because men are 1397 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,280 men, right? They want to have fun. 1398 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,200 They want to be aggressive, they want to be physical. 1399 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,400 So when they're told feminism nonstop. 1400 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,040 When they're told you know men are toxic it's just too much. 1401 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,120 So my hope and I'm I'm optimistic about this is that 1402 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,640 the men are eventually going to rebel and they're going to sort 1403 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,800 of be the ones who can save America. 1404 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,480 I that's that's my hope Maybe it's too optimistic idealistic 1405 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,480 but I mean we've been in you know go that I mean go 1406 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,760 throughout history there have been declines and in rises. 1407 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,520 So I'm I'm I am optimistic we can get out of this and things 1408 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,040 will get better because of the young men. 1409 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,560 All right. Fair enough. 1410 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,680 So the last question about that is since you just brought it up. 1411 01:00:37,550 --> 01:00:40,070 If young men are going to save it, women have to to buy in. 1412 01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:41,910 That's the way that men decide to do things. 1413 01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:43,390 And one of two things can happen. 1414 01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:47,150 I think either men pushed away and women accept it or women 1415 01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:50,230 sort of secretly want men to to be men, which that's been my 1416 01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:52,670 experience in life. What do you think there are 1417 01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:55,430 women in Generation Z and I don't know, I just, I don't have 1418 01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:57,750 any interaction with Gen. Z probably for for my own 1419 01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:58,830 safety. I just don't need to be running 1420 01:00:58,830 --> 01:01:00,950 around like teenage girls. That would drive me nuts. 1421 01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:03,330 But what what is the what is the environment out there? 1422 01:01:03,330 --> 01:01:05,890 Both the dating environment, the social environment as you deal 1423 01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:07,890 with your peers of the other gender. 1424 01:01:07,890 --> 01:01:10,330 Like what does it look like? Where do you see it? 1425 01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:13,690 Does that give you hope? Well right now I would say it's 1426 01:01:13,690 --> 01:01:16,330 it's very it's very bad. Well, it's bad in my, you know, 1427 01:01:16,330 --> 01:01:18,330 I'm totally against the hookup culture stuff. 1428 01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:20,290 I'm, I'm, I'm of the, you know, I'm a Catholic. 1429 01:01:20,290 --> 01:01:23,530 So I believe, you know, you should marry or you should date 1430 01:01:23,530 --> 01:01:25,250 for marriage. You should be the same person 1431 01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:26,570 you know, all of that. That's what I believe. 1432 01:01:26,570 --> 01:01:28,130 But obviously. Gen. 1433 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:30,770 Z doesn't believe in that. But I also, you know, I have to 1434 01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:32,970 believe that that's how, you know, that's how it's been in 1435 01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:35,410 the past where when, you know, the people were young, they were 1436 01:01:35,410 --> 01:01:38,090 having sex, partying. So I don't actually know how 1437 01:01:38,090 --> 01:01:41,570 different it is now than it is, you know, 30 or 40 years ago. 1438 01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:43,330 My hope is, you know, people mature. 1439 01:01:43,330 --> 01:01:46,170 I think what has been a real game changer are the dating apps 1440 01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:48,690 because that's just sort of opened up all this potential, 1441 01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:51,130 you know, oh, if I want to have sex, I can just download this 1442 01:01:51,130 --> 01:01:53,370 app and I can do it in that, you know, and people develop these 1443 01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:56,170 addictions and. You know, there's these studies 1444 01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:59,970 that like 90% of women go after 10% of men. 1445 01:02:00,290 --> 01:02:01,770 I mean, you know, all this stuff. 1446 01:02:01,770 --> 01:02:03,490 So that's what I worry about the most. 1447 01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:07,170 And also, you see these studies now women just don't want to 1448 01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:09,690 have children anymore. You know, there's a higher, 1449 01:02:09,690 --> 01:02:12,250 higher numbers. The study came out today saying 1450 01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:15,410 that 30% of households now only have one person and that's the 1451 01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:18,010 highest it's ever been. So we're seeing a lot of, you 1452 01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:20,650 know, this is definitely rapid change. 1453 01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:23,810 So, you know, I am a little pessimistic about the dating 1454 01:02:23,810 --> 01:02:25,330 scene. I'm not too interested in that 1455 01:02:25,330 --> 01:02:27,570 right now. Again, my hope is, as you said, 1456 01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:30,690 if the men push one way, the woman will follow. 1457 01:02:30,690 --> 01:02:34,450 That's sort of my hope. And I think a lot of women 1458 01:02:34,450 --> 01:02:36,250 sickly do want conservative guys. 1459 01:02:36,570 --> 01:02:39,970 That's sort of been the the the rule for a while now. 1460 01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:41,490 And I think that's that's definitely true. 1461 01:02:42,970 --> 01:02:46,890 Well, your mouth to God's ears. And as another Catholic, I, I 1462 01:02:46,890 --> 01:02:48,770 can appreciate that position. I think that whatever you're 1463 01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:50,730 saying makes sense. So I hope that is the way that 1464 01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:51,890 we end up going. I think it might be kind of 1465 01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:53,210 rocky in between. But yeah you're you're right. 1466 01:02:53,330 --> 01:02:54,890 I'd love to do another discussion at some point about 1467 01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:57,850 dating apps Internet dating, the sort of the role of pornography. 1468 01:02:57,850 --> 01:02:59,090 Sounds like you talked to Tucker about it. 1469 01:02:59,330 --> 01:03:01,810 I'm curious what the, what the view is from from your end of it 1470 01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:04,690 too at some point in the future because man it looks it looks 1471 01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:05,850 like that has been the major thing. 1472 01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:08,170 I I have the unique experience as you can imagine. 1473 01:03:08,170 --> 01:03:10,170 You must have had an entire digital lifespan, right. 1474 01:03:10,170 --> 01:03:12,530 You you grew up in the everything. 1475 01:03:12,970 --> 01:03:16,890 What year were you born? About 2003. 2003, so I'm a I'm a 1476 01:03:16,890 --> 01:03:19,170 junior in college at that point and and literally I had the 1477 01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,410 first Facebook accounts. I had the first, you know, 1478 01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:22,890 Napster accounts and file sharing. 1479 01:03:22,890 --> 01:03:24,330 And so I remember seeing those things. 1480 01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:27,490 I I downloaded my first MP3 when I was in high school, if you can 1481 01:03:27,490 --> 01:03:29,890 imagine how funny that is. And it took all night and I tied 1482 01:03:29,890 --> 01:03:32,050 up the phone lines and so when you do things like that, it's a 1483 01:03:32,050 --> 01:03:34,330 very different childhood and you guys grew up in a totally 1484 01:03:34,330 --> 01:03:37,930 digital experience And so the idea that 50,000 people would 1485 01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:39,570 read what you have to write at 19 years old. 1486 01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:41,810 Sounds sort of normal. It sounds insane. 1487 01:03:41,810 --> 01:03:44,250 It sounds wild to me. So I I think that'd be an 1488 01:03:44,250 --> 01:03:46,650 interesting exploratory talk. But I do really appreciate you 1489 01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:48,250 spending time with us. Thank you for proving that you 1490 01:03:48,250 --> 01:03:49,570 are not in fact a cyber terrorist. 1491 01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:51,970 I'm we're going to have to work on setting up this debate. 1492 01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:55,810 I think you doctor. Journey 2 fair moderators. 1493 01:03:55,810 --> 01:03:57,490 Like I said Joy Reid. Maybe Taco will get in. 1494 01:03:57,490 --> 01:03:59,810 I think that nothing could be it'd be the rumble in the jungle 1495 01:03:59,810 --> 01:04:02,410 kind of thing that would be a real wild that'd be a wild talk. 1496 01:04:02,810 --> 01:04:03,810 Thanks for spending. Yeah. 1497 01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:05,890 Thanks for spending some time. Good luck in this upcoming year. 1498 01:04:05,890 --> 01:04:07,970 Keep us posted with what's going on and we'll boost that the 1499 01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:09,740 Tucker interview for you too. Yeah. 1500 01:04:09,740 --> 01:04:10,980 Thanks so much, man. Take care. 1501 01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:15,900 I appreciate it you are listening to the Kyle Seraphin 1502 01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:18,260 Show, which is streamed live from Liberty Hill, TX every 1503 01:04:18,260 --> 01:04:22,740 Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 9:30 Eastern or 8:30 here in 1504 01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:25,380 Texas, America. Don't forget to like this video 1505 01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:29,100 on rumble.com/kyle Seraphin. Please share the link if you can 1506 01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,900 for today's show on your favorite social media platform. 1507 01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:35,780 And please consider subscribing on rumble.com or wherever you 1508 01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:38,220 get your podcasts. 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