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Prepared to hear the truth from 
a real whistle blower and 

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American patriot? 
Here's civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and indefinitely 

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suspended FBI agent Kyle 
Serafin. 

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Hello my friends and welcome to 
the Kyle Serafin show for Friday

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March 24th 2023. 
I cannot believe we are almost 

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at the end of March already and 
I cannot believe that government

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overreach. 
Is just a thing that we deal 

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with on a daily basis. 
It's become a standard. 

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It used to be so rare there was 
a. 

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Time when government overreach 
would have been front page news 

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in all mainstream media outlets.
People would have been appalled,

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they would have been incensed. 
People on the left, people on 

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the right, everybody should have
been upset about it. 

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And yet that is not the case 
anymore. 

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We're going to cover three 
stories today, all three of them

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about federal law enforcement 
doing apparently what it does 

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best at this point, which is 
shred the Constitution and just 

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stomp all over the expectations 
that we have as Americans of the

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government staying out of our 
basic business. 

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Pretty incredible. 
So some of the questions that we

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should be asking are how does 
the political left continue to 

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justify support for the DOJ, the
Department of Justice 

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activities, and obviously the 
FBI being a big part of that at 

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this moment. 
And then the other kind of 

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question is, is how do they deal
with the cognitive dissonance 

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that has to exist when you have 
these defund the police? 

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Types. 
Who are now cheerleading an FBI 

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and a DOJ that are acting like a
pit bull for one political side,

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but they haven't exactly stopped
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We're going to talk about a 
story where the left was 

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targeted pretty aggressively and
things that I'm not necessarily 

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a big fan of, but I still defend
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Things like racial justice 
protests, which I think are 

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nonsensical, but in America you 
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And it's very important that we 
continue to defend that right. 

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We're going to talk about how 
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things. 
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example of somebody who is 
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is pointing out this obvious 
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And I don't hear it being 
covered by the mainstream media.

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Let's dive right into a little 
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that's going on this week. 
It has been just a wacky week. 

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I'm going to share with you this
first story coming from our 

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friend who this is at Uncover 
DC. 

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This is going to be Wendy 
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writing for Uncover DC. 
There it is right there. 

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Let's pull the sucker up. 
There's a good picture of, I 

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guess, Proud Boys. 
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That's Zachary Real, who's on 
trial right now and getting some

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pretty nasty treatment, I would 
say. 

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So this article is entitled 
Government Misleading Court. 

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About informants in Proud Boys 
trial. 

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I'm also going to share with you
some conversations I had on the 

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back end with a couple of 
federal agents that have 

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recently retired, have a lot of 
time in both of them two plus 

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decades and they are actually 
appalled by this as well, so. 

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This is not standard fare or 
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form. 
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what you'll see is they are 
promoting the Kyle's Hairpin 

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show. 
What a great thing. 

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All right, so let's go. 
The government in the Proud Boys

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J6 trial seems to be misleading 
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the existence of informants or 
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So in the FBI, for most of the 
DOJ, they refer to CHS or 

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confidential human form, 
confidential human sources 

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rather, when you hear about 
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and and other sort of law 
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thing. 
It's just somebody who's an 

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informant. 
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the defense counsel. 
In Zachary Reel's case states 

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that the government waited until
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That's Wednesday of this week. 2
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one of the defense witnesses has
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April 2021. 
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after January 6th through at 
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beginning of the trial. 
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March 22nd also happens to be 
the day before this particular 

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source was scheduled to testify 
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This was a defense witness on 
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And according to reports from 
Julie Kelly, which we're going 

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to pull up her Twitter feed in a
second here and read some of the

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documents that she shared, she's
been doing really, really good 

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work on this. 
Says, quote, prosecutors knew 

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back in December that the 
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as a witness. 
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four months and the individual 
continued to work as an 

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informant spying on the defense 
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It's it's totally. 
Appalling, and we're going to 

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get into why in just a second 
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The revelation prompted the 
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whose name is Carmen Jimenez, to
file an emergency motion 

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requiring that the government 
disclose all of the reports and 

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recordings related to 
individuals who may be FBI 

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informants. 
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do that anyway. 
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defendants, This is going to be 
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Joseph Biggs, Enrique Tario, the
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whatever the lead guy is, and 
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all sort of joined in this 
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They Co signed on this emergency
motion asking for this 

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disclosure. 
I'm going to transfer over here 

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to Julie Kelly's Twitter feed. 
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small. 
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Rumble, you have to go full 
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your phone. 
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from the 22nd. 
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saying breaking news. 
Just when you think the DOJ 

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can't get any dirtier, this new 
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By defense is accusing DOJ of 
using an FBI informant to spy on

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and infiltrate the defense team.
I actually want to read a little

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bit of the demotion because I 
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So this is a little bit bigger. 
Might be easier for you to see. 

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This is the case of the United 
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who's the defendant. 
Defendants corrected motion to 

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compel disclosure of all FBI 
interview reports and all DOJ 

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memos relating to the recording 
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Of the defense team now, you may
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they had access to jail calls 
and the way they got around that

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was this like terms of service 
agreement saying that if you 

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want to talk to your client, and
obviously a defense counsel 

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needs to do that because of the 
COVID restrictions, These are 

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all unvaccinated people. 
So they have special rules and 

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the rules are nobody can see 
them. 

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They have to use the phone. 
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surrender your right to 
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is insane. 
That is the most insane and 

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egregious thing. 
Until you start putting sources 

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into the the camp of the Defense
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So here's what it says Defendant
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pursuant to the due process 
clause of the 5th Amendment, the

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6th Amendment and the Court's 
supervisory power respectfully 

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moves this court for an order 
compelling the government to 

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disclose to the defense. 
All Report e.g. 

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FBI3O2 reports These are going 
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They really need to actually, 
yeah, they said all reports. 

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So FBI three O twos are going to
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testimonial interviews. 
They actually need all the 

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source reporting out of DD is 
the the system that the FBI uses

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to. 
Catalog all source interactions.

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There's some different forms 
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do a source debrief and they 
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Recordings that have been 
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any person, including but not 
limited to humans, confidential 

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human sources, and any other 
witnesses that the FBI 

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communicated with regarding the 
possibility of any recordings or

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reports that it may have 
regarding the defense team. 

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They're literally asking the 
court, pursuant to the 5th and 

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6th Amendment and the court's 
ability to, to compel it to 

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please have the FBI expose all 
of the things that they have 

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been doing to spy on the 
defense. 

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It's so it is so. 
Wildly insane and I thought 

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maybe I was acting out of line 
so I asked a couple of other 

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federal agents. 
I'll read you what I got 

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response wise from my text 
messages. 

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Needless to say, they agree. 
What else does it say on here? 

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Mr. Reel is filing this motion 
on his own behalf on behalf of 

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the other defendants with the 
consent of their counsel. 

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OK. 
And they are looking for all. 

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Yeah, Anything that the United 
States Attorney's office and and

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the Department of Justice 
attorney's relating to reporting

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and recording of the defense 
counsel. 

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So if this person is an 
informant and was supposed to be

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a witness, you're going to find 
out a little bit more 

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egregiously, I think, in a 
second here because we're going 

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to run down to the second 
motion. 

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It says that the the CHS. 
Was like intimately involved in 

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a bunch of stuff, says 
governmental misconduct. 

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Surrounding the surreptitious 
invasion and interference into 

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the defense team by the 
government through a 

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confidential human source at the
government's behest. 

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This instant motion is based on 
a disclosure made to defense 

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counsel today, March 22nd. 
So 2 days ago, at the end of the

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court's proceeding, where in the
government stated that one of 

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its witnesses who was disclosed 
to the United States and the 

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court as directed by the court 
in December 2022, who's 

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scheduled to appear in the 
defense's case the following 

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day. 
Has been serving as ACHS, A 

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confidential human source, since
April 2021, at least through 

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January of this year, and during
that period the CHS has been in 

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contact. 
Here we go via telephone, text 

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message and other electronic 
means with one or more of the 

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counsel for the defense. 
So dealing with the public 

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defender and at least. 
One of the defendants in this 

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case. 
During this period, the CHS 

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participated in prayer meetings 
with members of one or more of 

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the defendants families. 
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discussion with one of the 
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one of the defense counsel. 
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Why is it so crazy? 
I'm going to read to you what a 

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former FBI agent and an attorney
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more than two decades of 
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There are certain. 
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to counsel concerns as well as 
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issues. 
If this allegation is true, it's

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yet another sacred. 
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system that is being assailed 
and torn down in the name of. 

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Quote UN quote, blind justice 
going after these J6 defendants 

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in 32 years of being an attorney
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never seen such a concerted 
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rights in the name of such 
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That's a friend of mine. 
There was he was in the FBI and 

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then another friend who was in 
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years as an ATF agent, which 
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because they're in the ATF. 
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time I talk to him. 
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we've done some fun times out. 
We did some hunting together. 

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He also mentioned that it is 
just incredible. 

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they have a, they have a right 
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that right, we now consider them
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limits to questions and 
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attorney being present and it 
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that when you have a inability 
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because they're represented by 
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You can't have somebody else go 
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What the government cannot do in
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agent acting on their behalf to.
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can't set people up for 
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human source if we couldn't do 
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If you're not allowed to do so 
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have someone act on your behalf 
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This should be pretty 
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Stuff. 
But this is what we're talking 

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about, and this is what my buddy
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We may bring him on the show in 
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background. 
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and now he's actually working on
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kick it. 
That's kind of the way it works.

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A lot of people that spend a 
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building expertise on one side 
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end up becoming well paid in the
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thing for investigators, 
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know, a pension. 
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enforcement make really good 
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When they flip over to work for 
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a lot of people do in retirement
and it's what makes doing right 

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now so. 
He's going to got a. 

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Really neat perspective. 
Our system is adversarial and 

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everybody is entitled to a 
reasonable defense. 

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So it's worth noting that, and I
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time to bring up that both sides
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We're supposed to have a fair 
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allowed to. 
Have their day in court and have

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Lady Justice be blind. 
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seeing. 
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political. 
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I'm going to bring up a case 
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Now, Trevor Aronson is by no 
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He and I've had a couple of 
conversations. 

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We text back and forth fairly 
frequently sharing information. 

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One of the things that he's 
interested in is a jihadi case 

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that I worked down in Tampa in 
2020, which I have some serious 

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misgivings about. 
Sounds like the guy just pled 

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guilty and is going to go do 18 
years in federal prison. 

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I'm very hopeful that the the 
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sentenced to 18 years will get 
mental health services while 

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he's in prison because he really
does need it. 

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He's a schizophrenic and has 
significant delusions as well 

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as, you know, swearing 
allegiance to ISIS and doing 

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some wild stuff, but was not 
someone who I think was a threat

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in and of itself, but he 
definitely needed. 

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Some help so he's he doesn't 
need to be on the streets and 

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and Aaronson and I have talked 
about that you know I may end up

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talking to their defense counsel
probably doesn't matter at this 

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point if the guy is already 
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One of the things that he's 
really focused on, and he's been

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doing this for quite a while, 
he's actually got the 10 year 

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anniversary of his book coming 
out and I think they have a 10 

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year anniversary edition of the 
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It's called the Terror Factory. 
Inside the FB is manufactured 

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war on terrorism. 
And the gist of what? 

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Aaronson has to say, which has 
been validated by my own 

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personal experience and a number
of FBI agents who have worked in

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the counterterrorism space, Is 
that the Bureau? 

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I dealt with something that I 
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podcast, I think it was only 20 
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Mission creep. 
You can go back in there. 

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You can see I'm literally just 
sitting at a table with a 

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microphone setting before I got 
into the gear and I really got 

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kind of rolled up into this but.
Mission creep is what happens to

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all government agencies and law 
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they've run out of the primary 
purpose for which they exist. 

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And I'm going to do you a like 
maybe a 3 minute version of the 

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20 minute version I did before. 
And so I won't be nearly as in 

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depth, but I think you'll get 
the point in the case of 

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counterterrorism resources, what
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Happened and I think there's 
ample evidence to to suggest 

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this the FBI. 
We got the charter of No 

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American dies from terrorism on 
our soil. 

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We heard that as The Changing 
definition of national security 

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by George Hill. 
I think he was spot on. 

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I think it was the most 
articulate thing. 

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I keep taking these like pearls 
from people. 

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I took another thing from Bill 
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government's only interest 
should be in. 

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The proper process and so when 
you take these things, you talk 

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to people that are knowledgeable
in their own sphere and they 

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give you really, really 
specialized background. 

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I try to distill it. 
So that's the thing that I'm 

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going to repeat you over and 
over again. 

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And so 911 change the definition
of national security and the the

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American war footing that 
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Special forces troops into 
Afghanistan, eventually resulted

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in US going into Iraq as well. 
Yeah, we we got into this like 

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prolonged 20 plus year conflict,
OEF and OIF. 

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OK, fine. 
The American military is 

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incredibly effective at hurting 
feelings and breaking things 

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overseas. 
It's what it does best. 

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It doesn't do transgender 
surgeries and it doesn't do woke

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ideology. 
It takes young men and women 

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that have a fighting spirit and 
puts them in the place where 

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they go occupy our enemies 
attention so they don't come and

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bother us here incredibly 
effectively. 

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Whether there may be some 
ulterior motives of politicians 

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is sort of irrelevant to the 
like the actual capabilities 

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that we project down rage 
through our Army, our Navy, our 

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Marine Corps, our Coast Guard, 
our Air Force, like the 

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individuals that work in these 
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At doing one one thing, and that
is just tying up the enemy's 

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attention and making it worth 
their time. 

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To get the hell out. 
And that's what they did, 

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starting in in 2001. 
Moving forward and the domestic 

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mission which saw the advent of 
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Security, which has not been 
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For those of you who are 
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existed when I was growing up 
and certainly not a thing that 

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some of our older listeners have
have grown up with. 

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We actually just had a woman 
tell me in a text message or in 

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AI. 
Don't know, Like a true social 

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response. 6 She was a Gen. 
X female and and she wasn't sure

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if this was a space where she 
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getting information she liked. 
And so we have people that are 

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older than me and, you know, 
significantly older as well. 

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DHS is a new entity. 
I mean, it's only 20 years old. 

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And what did it do? 
But it was developed to keep 

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terrorists out of the homeland. 
So, OK, fine. 

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So we've got the military 
overseas doing its job. 

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We've got DHS, the FBI, we've 
got the intelligence community 

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focused on keeping terrorists 
out of the domestic side. 

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And they did that. 
They went after it. 

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And between the two entities 
overseas and and domestic, we 

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knocked out a big, big chunk of 
what the FBI refers to as 

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international terrorism or Itos.
International Terrorist 

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Operations Section is the actual
group that's tasked with it. 

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And there's a ton of money. 
I mean, there's hundreds of 

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millions of dollars in funding 
that goes just to the FBI. 

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And the FBI is, you know, an $11
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billion agency this year. 
DHS is like $120 billion. 

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So you can imagine the amount of
money and resources that get 

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focused on international 
terrorism. 

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OK, good. 
So we more or less handle that 

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business. 
There's not a big chunk. 

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At least before the Afghanistan 
withdrawal, there wasn't. 

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A big chunk. 
Of international terrorism 

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coming into this country after a
couple of years and they did a 

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great job doing that. 
So then they started looking at 

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a thing and this is where 
Aaronson picks up on a thing 

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that's called home grown violent
extremists, or HV ES. 

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Now, I always heard about HV ES 
when I was in the Bureau, and it

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wasn't really clear to me until 
I like nailed down one of the 

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analysts who does 
counterterrorism. 

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And I was like. 
Define HVE for me because I 

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don't get it. 
Like what's the difference 

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between a home grown violent 
extremist and a domestic violent

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extremist? 
And I'm going to tell you right 

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now so you understand the 
terminology when you hear it 

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being talked about and sometimes
inaccurately on news media 

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broadcast and things like that. 
And if you're. 

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Listening to fox or something 
Newsmax or you know, OAN and and

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and real America's voice, like 
all these things. 

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They they don't always have 
people that know what these 

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these terms mean. 
A home grown violent extremist 

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HVE and we're going in order 
from IT to HVEHVES. 

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Are people that are born in 
America or live in America for a

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period of time. 
Often times they are like first 

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generation American, second 
generation Americans, but they 

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have sympathies with overseas. 
Terrorism. 

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So they are not coming from 
overseas into the United States 

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to cause problems. 
They are already in the United 

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States and they decide they are 
going to align themselves with 

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an overseas problem and they 
decide to pick up the ideology 

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of ISIS, of al Qaeda, of al 
Shabaab. 

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Take your back. 
There's a whole bunch of these 

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things. 
I'm not an expert on all the 

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different factions and some of 
them are sub factionalized, but 

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HVES align with some foreign 
terrorist influence. 

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But they're here. 
And so the Bureau went after 

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them in true fashion. 
They exterminated this problem 

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in a really big way. 
They made it very difficult to 

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be that thing. 
And there's still an HVE threat 

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there always probably will be 
from people who self radicalize 

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and find something overseas 
they're into. 

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But for the most. 
Part. 

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It's gotten really, really 
tamped down. 

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Well, there's money to be made 
looking domestically and keeping

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these cases going. 
And there's money to be made for

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FBI special agents in charge, 
who get bonuses based on the 

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number of. 
Cases and disruptions. 

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I want you to think about this, 
the FBI claimed. 

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And there's some. 
Twitter. 

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You know, if you follow my 
Twitter, you've probably seen me

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retweet this from some people. 
Garreto Boyle, our buddy, one of

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the fellow suspendables called 
this out showed that the FBI 

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predicted they would have 600 
counter terrorist disruptions. 

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In 2022. 
And they fell. 

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Short, they only had 397 
counterterrorism disruptions, so

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they had 397 more than one 
terrorist disruption per day 

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that they. 
Logged in order to try to meet 

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this metric of 600. 
I just want any of you to think 

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about whether or not you have 
heard of a single legitimate 

456
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,680
terrorist disruption. 
Some sort of plot or entity that

457
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,560
was going to happen and it was 
disrupted. 

458
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,440
In your world, wouldn't the FBI 
be crowing about that? 

459
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,360
Wouldn't that be front page 
news? 

460
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,880
Every single day we stop this 
terrorist cell from doing a 

461
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,800
thing. 
And, and the problem is, it's 

462
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,360
because words don't mean what 
words mean. 

463
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,880
Because disruption doesn't mean 
they stopped a terrorist plot. 

464
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,200
It means that they found some 
statistical way to be able to 

465
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,320
account for articulating a 
disruption. 

466
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,480
That doesn't mean what it means 
to you and me. 

467
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,360
It doesn't mean they disrupted a
terrorist plot. 

468
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,280
It means that they got a 
disruption, which is its own 

469
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,800
thing and it doesn't have a real
meaning. 

470
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,840
It's a government word. 
And it's one of those things 

471
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,120
that just it gets thrown out the
window. 

472
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,160
It's garbage. 
It means nothing 'cause there's 

473
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,720
no chance that the FBI 
interrupted a single terrorist 

474
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,840
plot every single day and twice 
on Sundays for the whole year. 

475
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,400
No way. 
Just didn't happen. 

476
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,920
But that's the way they're 
arguing. 

477
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,120
And like I said, they're 
incentivized by significant 

478
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,880
bonuses like 5 figure bonuses to
the special agents in charge of 

479
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,840
the different field offices. 
The SES class get incentivized 

480
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,760
based on this performances. 
So that's why they're trying. 

481
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,320
To do that. 
All right, but the mission creep

482
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,960
happened from international 
terrorism, finding all the HVES,

483
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,520
these home grown violent 
extremists, eliminating them. 

484
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,360
And then they were like, well, 
we're already looking around at 

485
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,640
things domestically. 
We might as well look for more 

486
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,440
problems. 
And that's how we had all the 

487
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,840
cases probably after about 2010 
on white supremacists, what 

488
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,640
they'll know as racially 
motivated violent extremists. 

489
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,080
By the way, there's not very 
many cases on like black 

490
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,960
supremacists, but they do exist.
It was, we all probably know 

491
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,320
there's not very many cases on 
people that are bombing what are

492
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,080
they called, pregnancy centers, 
crisis pregnancy centers. 

493
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,920
But we do have an entire 
category of domestic violent 

494
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
extremists that are called anti 
abortion. 

495
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,160
I would know them as pro-life 
people, but anti abortion 

496
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,400
violent extremists and the ones 
that are getting arrested right 

497
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,280
now have basically been involved
in praying. 

498
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,120
And a couple of them, like chain
themselves to some doors. 

499
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,400
Now, chaining yourself to a door
is in fact, probably a violation

500
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,480
of the FACE Act, which says you 
have to have free access to the 

501
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,040
clinic. 
So if you actually hinder real 

502
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,320
patients going in, you're 
probably in violation of federal

503
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,640
law. 
And you know, that's a civil 

504
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,000
disobedience issue. 
This is not a violent extremist 

505
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,480
group. 
Chaining yourself to a door is, 

506
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,120
generally speaking, not very 
violent. 

507
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,120
And it's something that I used 
to see in DC all the time. 

508
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,120
They would change themselves to 
the Supreme Court doors. 

509
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,400
They would chain themselves to 
each other. 

510
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,920
I was driving one time trying to
just fill up my my, my Bureau 

511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,160
vehicle with gas and I was 
driving by and like 18 people 

512
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160
chain linked themselves and, and
handcuffed themselves to each 

513
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,360
other. 
Like blocking a street next to a

514
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,280
Whole Foods because Annie wasn't
getting overtime. 

515
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,960
I mean, it was something really,
really dumb like that. 

516
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,360
It literally was a sign that 
they held up. 

517
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,440
It's just. 
Like Annie's not getting 

518
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,600
overtime and she's a legal 
immigrant. 

519
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,400
Or whatever and you just go like
really? 

520
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,160
And you know, and then they 
handcuff themselves to each 

521
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320
other. 
So they're not violent 

522
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,040
extremists. 
But if you do it to an abortion 

523
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,280
clinic, you are so be it. 
Maybe you'll have babies. 

524
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,240
There's some other ones out 
there that are pretty wild and 

525
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,800
anti government, anti authority 
violent extremists, which is 

526
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,440
also a really troubling label. 
As I've said on this podcast 

527
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320
before, like pretty sure the 
founding fathers of this country

528
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,720
would have been considered that 
thing. 

529
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,000
But. 
The FBI has got to categorize 

530
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,720
what it's got to categorize 
because it's a government 

531
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
agency, and government agencies 
always creep in their mission to

532
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,920
be able to generate more 
revenue, more mission 

533
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,720
responsibilities. 
They don't ever want to be less 

534
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,320
of an agency. 
They always want to be more than

535
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,880
an agency, so they continue to 
grow, which is why the FBI has 

536
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,520
the largest budget it's ever had
this year in 2023. 

537
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,400
All right, all that is a setup 
to talk about Trevor Aronson's 

538
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:38,520
story right here, which I found.
Both hilarious and troubling and

539
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,360
we'll bring it up. 
This is called the Honey trap. 

540
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,160
This is a series that he's 
writing about the FB is 

541
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,840
involvement and the DOJ 
basically coming in and doing 

542
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,400
the standard counterterrorism 
playbook on racial justice 

543
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,720
protesters, BLM types in 
Colorado Springs, Denver. 

544
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,440
I think Aurora was involved as 
well. 

545
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040
So if you're looking at the 
rumble thing, this is just an 

546
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,960
awesome photograph of looks like
some rioting going on. 

547
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,880
There's some smoke grenades and 
something like that. 

548
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,840
It's a really good picture. 
And the subtitle of The Honey 

549
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Trap, again, this is in The 
Intercept by Trevor Aronson, 

550
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,360
says the FBI used an undercover 
cop with pink hair to spy on 

551
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,560
activists and manufacture 
crimes. 

552
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,240
If there wasn't a more succinct 
way of saying it. 

553
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,760
Well, who is this? 
Lady with pink hair. 

554
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,120
And this is where it gets really
fun. 

555
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,720
So this was written on the 21st 
of this week, so that would have

556
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,960
been Tuesday. 
Very still very current article.

557
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,320
This is narrative form. 
I'm going to skip through a lot 

558
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,840
of it because he writes in a way
that's kind of like reading a 

559
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,400
book, and I very much enjoy 
reading Trevor Aaronson's stuff.

560
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,080
But reading it all to you would 
be sort of ridiculous. 

561
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,760
It's like, like I said, it's 
like reading a narrative. 

562
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320
But some of these things are 
just too funny not to share. 

563
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,360
So the young woman with long 
pink hair claimed to be from 

564
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,760
Washington state. 
One day during the summer of 

565
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,960
2020, she walked in the Chinook 
Center, a community space for 

566
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,440
left wing activists in Colorado 
Springs, Co, and offered to 

567
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,640
volunteer. 
Here's where we get really fun. 

568
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,480
She dressed in a way that was 
sort of noticeable, said 

569
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Samantha Christensen, who is the
Co founder. 

570
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760
But no one took to note that 
like they're, you know, lefties.

571
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,280
The pink haired woman said her 
name was Chelsea and she dropped

572
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,880
regular hints about her chosen 
profession. 

573
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320
This is why it's when I when I 
was texting with Trevor about 

574
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,640
this, he said. 
What's more juvenile. 

575
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Than this, and I'll tell you why
the pink haired woman said her 

576
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,680
name was Jesse. 
Yeah, she implied over the 

577
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520
course of getting to know her 
that she was a sex worker, said 

578
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,200
John Christensen. 
That's Samantha's husband. 

579
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,800
I think somebody else told me 
that and I was like, oh, OK, 

580
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,440
that makes sense. 
I never questioned it, said 

581
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,920
another activist in the area. 
But Chelsea Chelsea's identity 

582
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,000
was as fake as her long pink 
hair. 

583
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,440
The young woman, whose real name
is April Rogers, was a detective

584
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080
with the Colorado Springs Police
Department and on loan to the 

585
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,240
FBI, who enlisted her to 
infiltrate and spy on the racial

586
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,880
justice groups during the summer
of 2020. 

587
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,400
If you're on our rumble. 
Page. 

588
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,320
You can see right now that April
Rogers is the woman wearing a 

589
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,240
bandana over her hair. 
She has dyed pink blonde hair. 

590
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,480
She's wearing a red midriff 
shirt, and she has significantly

591
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,440
large breasts, which is going to
play into this later. 

592
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,960
So as Trevor was texting me, he 
goes, how juvenile is this? 

593
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,840
They just looked at her and said
she's got big boobs. 

594
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Let's say she was a hooker. 
That's what I mean. 

595
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,000
And that's what they did. 
Some of you have seen this on 

596
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,480
Twitter already and you've 
commented. 

597
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,880
I had somebody comment said any 
halfway decent looking woman in 

598
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,560
a in a left wing protest as a 
fed. 

599
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,840
That's funny. 
I don't know if that's true or 

600
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,040
not. 
That doesn't sound accurate to 

601
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,880
my life, but but you know. 
Pretty, pretty amusing stuff. 

602
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,800
So Roger's work or Chelsea's 
work was a drift offshoot of the

603
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,560
FBI summer investigation into 
what was going on in Denver in 

604
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,400
2020, where Mickey Wendecker, 
which was a paid FBI informant 

605
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,200
who drove a Silverhurst and came
in and tried to encourage the 

606
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
racial justice movement to 
become violent. 

607
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240
He's Aaronson has dropped, 
documented this stuff. 

608
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
So this is not like Willy nilly.
He's read source documents, he's

609
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,040
gotten stuff from trials. 
He's been pulling in a FOIA 

610
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040
request. 
He has investigative documents. 

611
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Body Cam footage from the local 
police departments he's getting 

612
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,880
he's. 
AI mean he's a good reporter and

613
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,520
his his stuff is very well 
documented. 

614
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320
His book the terror factory, 
which I said is coming up on the

615
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,920
10 year anniversary right now 
was listed as required reading 

616
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,680
by my friends, including our 
producer Phil, who's not with me

617
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,400
at the moment. 
But Phil recommended it as a 

618
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,960
required thing to understand how
counterterrorism. 

619
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,640
Cases work in the FBI and since 
we were on a surveillance team 

620
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,480
that did a significant amount of
counterterrorist work both in DC

621
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,520
and then also just all around 
the United States. 

622
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,360
I mean, even my first two weeks 
on I flew to Alaska and jumped 

623
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,480
into. 
These like white supremacy 

624
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960
cases, He's like, you have to 
understand how they do them. 

625
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200
And there's a reason why Aronson
talks about the manufactured War

626
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
on Terror. 
And it's because the Bureau is 

627
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,920
incentivized to have these cases
come out. 

628
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,840
And what they do is they do 
this, they send in this April 

629
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,040
Rogers type to to lure people 
and claim to be a prostitute or 

630
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000
win their their favor. 
And then, you know, they rile 

631
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,080
people up and they introduce 
them to other people that are 

632
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,080
other undercovers. 
And we'll kind of kick in this 

633
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,040
kind of the the. 
What they they set up here. 

634
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,640
So Rogers gained trust amongst 
the activists. 

635
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,720
She, I'm skipping a couple of 
pieces here, just said she 

636
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080
worked with the JTTF, the Joint 
Terrorism Task Force and some 

637
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,800
other stuff. 
So she gained trust among the 

638
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,640
activists. 
She tried to set up at least two

639
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
young men in a gun running 
conspiracy. 

640
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Her tactics mirror those of 
Windecker. 

641
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,600
This is the guy that was in 
Denver who tried to entrap 2 

642
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,560
Denver racial justice advocates 
in crimes including an FBI 

643
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,400
engineer. 
Plot to assassinate Colorado 

644
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,080
Attorney General Phil Weiser. 
That went nowhere. 

645
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
To reveal what happened in 
Colorado Springs, I obtained 

646
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360
search warrant applications. 
And so this is where this is the

647
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,160
documents that that Trevor 
actually got. 

648
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,640
And we'll probably jump back to 
that in a second here. 

649
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,280
But he got body camera footage 
from local police officers that 

650
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,000
were investigating and and 
working on behalf of the FBI or 

651
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,800
with the FBI. 
So when when a task force 

652
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,720
officer joins and works with the
FBI, they're still subject to 

653
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,400
whatever their protocols are 
and. 

654
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640
That's like a real tricky and 
sticky spot for the Bureau 

655
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040
because the Bureau hasn't 
traditionally ever used things 

656
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,080
like body Cam footage. 
We don't even record half of our

657
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,760
interviews even though we were 
supposed to. 

658
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,680
It just doesn't happen. 
And so hold on here, Actually, I

659
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,640
don't know if I showed this 
before. 

660
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,240
This is my personal recorder. 
That I bought with my money 

661
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
because I wanted to be able to 
record interviews with subjects 

662
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,000
because I don't like. 
Taking notes and then relying on

663
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,320
my notes and then scanning that.
In fact, I often took no notes. 

664
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,120
I simply would record the actual
thing that the person said. 

665
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,720
And then I would give it to our 
secretary, who was really 

666
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,440
helpful and very kind, and she 
would burn it onto ACD and she 

667
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,640
would burn a copy for me. 
She'd burn a copy for the 

668
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800
assistant US attorney. 
She would burn a copy for the 

669
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,240
master copy, and then she would 
burn a copy for the defense in 

670
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000
discovery. 
We would always get 4 copies of 

671
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,760
every recording, and then I 
would just put them on the file.

672
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,560
And whenever Discovery came up, 
you could just set it off. 

673
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,040
And whenever the United States 
Attorney wanted to hear the 

674
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,000
interview, you just send it over
the copy. 

675
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,960
And then we had a master copy 
that went off to what's called 

676
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Elsher Electronic evidence. 
And then the last one was mine 

677
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,880
to use for for working copies. 
It's really straightforward, but

678
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,440
that's not what the Bureau does 
and the Bureau doesn't. 

679
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Know how to deal with. 
Body cams, it's like a new, it's

680
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,800
always a new kind of game. 
It's like, OK, they're, they're 

681
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
out there. 
So how do you handle yourself? 

682
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,880
I've had people tell me like, 
hey guys, like be careful 

683
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,000
because we're going to be out 
there with fill in the blank, DC

684
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Metro PD, Las Cruces Police 
Department, Sheriff's 

685
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Department, you name it, you 
know, whatever other entity that

686
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,320
had body cams. 
And it's like, you know, watch 

687
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,840
what you say because you're 
going to be on body Cam. 

688
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320
OK, I guess. 
It's interesting because it does

689
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,560
give you some light into things 
that are going on. 

690
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,040
And, you know, cops that wear 
them every single day have 

691
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,680
learned to just live with them. 
They're still kind of novel to 

692
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,040
federal agents who don't 
basically have most of their 

693
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,080
life on tape. 
And and so you get weird 

694
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320
disclosures that happened from 
cops on it. 

695
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,159
And in this case, one of the 
things that he mentioned that 

696
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,920
they saw is they reviewed 100 
pages, hundreds of pages of 

697
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,040
internal FBI records from. 
And if you listen to our 

698
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,199
podcast, you know social media 
exploitation, also known as 

699
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,440
Somax. 
Which is a, a thing that the 

700
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,120
Bureau does, every field office 
has some ability to do so. 

701
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,280
And it's usually an intelligence
analyst piece where they go and 

702
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,400
gather information from people's
social media. 

703
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,360
Now, you probably don't have a, 
a reasonable expectation of 

704
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,760
privacy on most of your social 
media. 

705
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,480
You know, you might have a 
little. 

706
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Bit for your DMS and they may 
have to go get a little bit more

707
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,560
but not if not if the company 
who owns them is willing to give

708
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,239
them over. 
But this so Max type stuff. 

709
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,639
Can be used to do a very light 
touch. 

710
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,760
So my understanding is if 
somebody were to go to say like 

711
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,760
a LinkedIn page, and I don't 
have LinkedIn, so I'm sorry I 

712
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,760
can't testify this is true, But 
my understanding is if you go to

713
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160
a LinkedIn page, it'll tell you 
who's been in contact. 

714
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,440
With your page. 
Some of these Somax tools that 

715
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,000
we have that the Bureau has and 
that other law enforcement 

716
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,920
entities have can basically 
crawl across your page and grab 

717
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,720
the information without alerting
you to this. 

718
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,520
So a very what they would call 
like a light touch. 

719
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,080
And, you know, that's what this 
guy is basically saying. 

720
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,880
So Aronson's saying that, you 
know, the cops pulled the stuff 

721
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,520
down. 
They're reviewing on body Cam 

722
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,960
footage the the actual documents
that the Bureau gave them on 

723
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,120
some of the. 
Activists they were dealing 

724
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,560
with. 
So that's kind of interesting. 

725
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Rogers wouldn't, wouldn't speak,
she said. 

726
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,400
She was. 
Told by the. 

727
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,280
Justice Department not to 
testify or say anything, so 

728
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,160
she's declined to be part of the
comments. 

729
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,760
The FBI refuses to answer 
anything in writing. 

730
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Colorado Springs Police 
Department not going to do 

731
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,440
anything, refers everything to 
the FBI. 

732
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,880
So nobody in law enforcement 
made any comments to this story.

733
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,440
Still pretty fun, pretty 
interesting. 

734
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Let's see here we've got the 
senator from he's a Democrat 

735
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560
senator from Oregon. 
Looks like says it's disturbing 

736
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,760
but not surprising to learn the 
FB is reported targeting of 

737
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,840
racial justice activists in 2020
wasn't limited to Denver alone. 

738
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,080
It's a clear abuse of the 
authority of the FBI to use 

739
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,640
undercover agents, informants. 
And the local law enforcement to

740
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680
spy on and entrap people engaged
in peaceful First Amendment 

741
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,240
protected activities without any
evidence of criminal activity or

742
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,760
violent intent. 
I hope that Ron Wyden is willing

743
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,040
to come forward and say that 
about all the things. 

744
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,680
This should also be the issue 
with January 6th protesters. 

745
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,840
There are plenty of. 
People that were not involved in

746
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120
anything particularly violent 
and their. 

747
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,840
Pre conversations to the day of 
January 6th should be First 

748
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Amendment protected activities 
because there was no violence 

749
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,840
and nothing was indicated until 
maybe. 

750
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,000
After the fact, but it's just 
like. 

751
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,240
It's really dangerous stuff. 
We're dealing with a time when 

752
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:49,360
this overreach is so strong and 
so it's ubiquitous, and it 

753
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,760
doesn't matter if it's on the 
left or the right. 

754
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,680
So this should be a bipartisan 
issue, and we keep seeing that 

755
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,360
it is not. 
Over and over and over again 

756
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
the. 
If you're looking on the. 

757
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,040
Page. 
Let's let's flip it over here 

758
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,720
and show this page. 
So here's a. 

759
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Page of some people getting in 
the face of they've got Tamir 

760
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,480
Rice, they've got Trayvon 
Martin, they've got Philando 

761
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,920
Castillo. 
These are totally different 

762
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,360
cases that have nothing to do 
with each other. 

763
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Eric Garner, Michael Brown, 
you've got a a white guy wearing

764
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,680
a mask and khaki shorts and like
some, some KED's or something. 

765
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,200
And it's like. 
The there's a black guy is 

766
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,960
yelling at 2 cops standing in 
the rain. 

767
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,320
I'm just describing it for if 
you're, if you're watching, if 

768
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,800
you're listening to this thing, 
but they're showing this great 

769
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,880
picture. 
I mean, it's like a great 

770
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,800
picture of people protesting. 
And here's the deal. 

771
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,280
I don't agree with what the 
racial justice, the quote, UN 

772
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
quote racial justice profile or 
protesters were involved in, but

773
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,000
like that's their right. 
That's the whole thing. 

774
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Like you got to let them. 
Do their thing, even if they're 

775
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,520
being jerks. 
Now, if they start getting into 

776
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,400
violence, then it's a different 
animal, but that's not what's 

777
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,760
going on here. 
This guy basically. 

778
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,280
And if they are blocking 
streets, then maybe we have some

779
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,480
civil infractions. 
But this, you know, you don't 

780
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,640
set them up with gun cases. 
This is bizarre. 

781
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
All right, so there's another 
little thing underneath here. 

782
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,280
I'm scrolling past it, but 
there's like, you know, three 

783
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,800
people protesting in the street,
which is they have some really 

784
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
good pictures on The Intercept. 
If you're not regularly 

785
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,680
viewingtheintercept.com. 
It's fairly left-leaning. 

786
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,600
It has some pretty. 
Aggressive leftist stuff. 

787
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,520
But at the same time, the 
recording, you know the 

788
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,000
reporting, at least Trevor's 
reporting has been very good. 

789
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,240
Glenn Greenwald does a really 
good job in general of curating 

790
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,360
a pretty interesting online. 
Newspaper, So I recommend it 

791
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,520
even if it doesn't fit your 
general political lean. 

792
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,240
See what see what's out there. 
That's that's kind of what I 

793
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,520
like doing sometimes. 
I'm going to do a Revolver news 

794
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,920
piece next and then we'll talk 
about that. 

795
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,360
And I think they're also 
interesting, maybe a little bit 

796
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,600
more on the on the Fringy type 
stuff, but but still good 

797
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,920
reporting and strong riding. 
So they talk about the murder of

798
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,600
George Floyd. 
I don't know if he was murdered.

799
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,880
I know he was convicted of the 
Derek Shelvin was, but it didn't

800
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,280
feel like a murderer to me. 
So be it. 

801
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,080
Jury of his of his peers, 
allegedly, you know, came out 

802
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,120
there. 
This whole last couple years has

803
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,040
been pretty gross watching some 
of this stuff just as somebody 

804
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,840
working in law enforcement, It's
really troubling to watch. 

805
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,680
It says activists there were not
only angered by George Floyd's 

806
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,080
death, but the killing of a 
local man, a guy named Devon 

807
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Bailey, who was shot in the back
by police officers in 2019. 

808
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,560
Getting shot in the back is a 
pretty bad news thing. 

809
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,120
There's only a few situations 
where that makes sense. 

810
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,160
I was just reading about one 
where it's like some guy got 

811
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,680
shot in the back of the head and
you're like, oh, well, that's 

812
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,040
pretty cut and dry. 
And then you're like, oh, 

813
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,720
Benjamin Crump is involved. 
This, this attorney. 

814
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,960
So I bet you there's more to the
story. 

815
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,600
And it turns out the guy got 
shot in the back of the head 

816
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,400
'cause he was in his car and he 
was reversing into police 

817
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,800
officers and he hit like 7 cops 
with his car when they were 

818
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
shooting at him, probably to 
defend their lives. 

819
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,080
The whole story is always a 
little bit more. 

820
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,000
All right, So this guy, Devon 
Bailey, I don't know his story 

821
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,680
and I don't want to click 
through it at the moment to talk

822
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,880
about it. 
So we're going to talk about it 

823
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,680
in 2020. 
These racial justice 

824
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,120
demonstration roiling the 
nation, including Colorado 

825
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,800
Springs activists organizing 
protests outside the home. 

826
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Of Alan Vanzant Lant, who is one
of the. 

827
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,760
Officers involved in in this 
gentleman Bailey's death, 

828
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,120
they're calling him a murderer. 
They're yelling stuff on the 

829
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,240
bullhorn. 
It's tough. 

830
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,800
You know, doing things outside 
of people's houses is definitely

831
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,000
you're on the line of 
sketchiness. 

832
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,760
But that's the local issue. 
That's definitely not an FBI 

833
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,840
issue and you're dealing with 
some, you know, the the free 

834
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,680
speech issue over like maybe the
invasion of the the threatening 

835
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,480
of of somebody's personal 
property. 

836
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,880
Whether you can or cannot parade
or have a picket in front of 

837
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,320
houses in neighborhoods, I mean.
It's a local police issue. 

838
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,680
This is not an FBI issue. 
Anyway, they blocked the roads 

839
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,800
to the neighborhood. 
Protests escalated. 

840
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,880
Drivers tried to get through. 
They got into verbal 

841
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,680
altercations with people, some 
black activists and college 

842
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,080
student named Charles Johnson. 
Argument goes on. 

843
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,760
Supposedly a phone gets swatted 
out. 

844
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,760
This is like really minor. 
This is local problems. 

845
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,200
It says other. 
Demonstrators recorded the 

846
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,320
encounter and the footage from 
this protest circulated among 

847
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,320
far right media assets as an 
example of apparent dangers of 

848
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,560
racial justice and anti fascist 
activists. 

849
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,040
And then this conspiracy 
theorist, who are they calling 

850
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,440
this? 
Oh this is not so. 

851
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Michelle Malkin, AKA conspiracy 
theorist who lives in Colorado 

852
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,480
Springs tweeted out. 
Nowhere is safe, so there you 

853
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,840
go. 
Like you say, you got to lean 

854
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,800
here. 
It is what it is. 

855
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,880
The protesters mostly were 
wearing face masks during the 

856
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,320
pandemic, making it difficult 
for police to identify them. 

857
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,480
But I, I know I'm not, you know,
there's actually mask laws in 

858
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,200
most places, which we apparently
abandoned in 2020. 

859
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,280
But most places, if you are 
committing a crime and you're 

860
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,120
wearing a mask, that in and of 
itself the mask in order to 

861
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,040
conceal your identity is 
actually a crime. 

862
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,720
It's definitely the case in DC 
'cause I used to deal with this 

863
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,520
all the time. 
Anyway, FBI had a source that 

864
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,640
thought on the inside, this 
woman Rogers, this young 

865
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,720
detective who had suggested she 
was a sex worker. 

866
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,480
Once again, she was going by the
name Chelsea. 

867
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,000
And there's all kinds of stuff 
you go on, you learn a little 

868
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,080
bit about her day-to-day and 
what she was doing and that she 

869
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,640
was basically rifling through 
their files. 

870
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,400
And they gave access to, you 
know, letting her run around in 

871
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,480
their, their kind of their shop,
the Chinook Center for they have

872
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,520
an office and there was, you 
know, organizations and activist

873
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,720
stuff. 
And so she's like cycling 

874
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,920
through their stuff. 
I guess that they gave her 

875
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,600
permission, but they didn't give
her permission based on what 

876
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,960
they're knowing. 
So I don't know how that works 

877
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,920
under the 4th Amendment. 
That seems like, you know, if 

878
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,400
they had given it to her, it's 
very different than her going 

879
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,960
and rifling through it when 
they're not in there. 

880
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,840
It sounds like she was like 
rolling through there when 

881
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480
nobody was looking and then 
feeding it to the FBI. 

882
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,000
Pretty bizarre. 
Definitely, definitely 

883
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,200
interesting. 
Here's a picture of some of the 

884
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,480
Somec stuff. 
So you can see. 

885
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,040
These are print offs from social
media captured on the body Cam 

886
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,480
footage of a guy named Scott 
Alamo. 

887
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,760
Scott Alamo says some pretty 
funny stuff during that thing 

888
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,440
he's talking about. 
Well, they get paid to sit and 

889
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,440
wait and do surveillance. 
That's what surveillance is. 

890
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,560
You get paid to sit and wait. 
So there's nothing really crazy 

891
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,040
about that. 
But the fact that he's running 

892
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
through mug shots, not mug shots
rather, but people's Facebook, 

893
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,600
their LinkedIn, their Instagram 
profiles, social media messages,

894
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,520
things like that are in printed 
documents that he's sitting 

895
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,040
there reading through while 
they're on surveillance. 

896
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Kind of interesting. 
And then he makes some like very

897
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,960
derogatory and probably off 
putting things statements about,

898
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,360
you know what, what he thinks 
about the different people, 

899
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,200
including this guy John 
Christensen, who apparently was 

900
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,840
a college professor. 
And he was like, yeah, that guy 

901
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,080
gets a boot to the face. 
And then at some point in time 

902
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,920
they actually boot him in the 
face. 

903
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,680
That's never really good. 
It's never good that you have a.

904
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,160
Plan to go and beat somebody up 
and then actually go do it later

905
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,560
on. 
That being said, this guy Alamo,

906
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,480
who they got some body Cam 
footage of is pretty funny. 

907
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,720
He he in in my little Twitter 
post about it. 

908
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,520
There's a couple other kind of 
cool pictures. 

909
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,000
There's a picture of some kind 
of activist. 

910
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,600
Who was masked up and wearing a 
oh, I'm not showing it, am I 

911
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,080
there It is masked up and and 
was like having a cop come up at

912
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,880
them and like threw the bike 
down in front of them. 

913
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120
I mean these this is all locally
local stuff. 

914
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,040
Aggravated attempted assault for
throwing for throwing a bicycle 

915
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,000
down at a cop, Like local 
problems, local issues. 

916
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Not, not my kind of world. 
What's really wild is that this 

917
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,400
woman, Rogers, apparently 
invited two young male activists

918
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,560
to her apartment to hang out 
with. 

919
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,040
And she's like, you know, 
attractive enough, I guess. 

920
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,600
And she's she has like very 
distracting large bosoms. 

921
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,000
That's just such a funny thing 
that they, they decided to like,

922
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,240
try and do this. 
And this is where it gets kind 

923
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,640
of sketchy, I think for most 
people. 

924
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,680
This is the honeypot. 
So Rogers, meanwhile, began to 

925
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,040
invite young male activists to 
our apartment. 

926
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,680
In recording that Aronson got, 
the FBI agent in Colorado 

927
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Springs confirmed that the 
meetings between Rogers and at 

928
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,680
least two activists occurred. 
Although the possibility of a 

929
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,360
sexual encounter appeared to be 
implicit in the invitations, the

930
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,280
meetings always took an 
unexpected turn. 

931
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,960
When she would invite people 
over, there were two guys 

932
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,760
sitting there and the guys were 
apparently undercovers. 

933
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,960
And they we're like interested 
in buying guns or selling guns 

934
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,680
to people, it says. 
So there's two guys sitting 

935
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,880
there. 
And the activist who didn't want

936
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,520
to be identified said, you know,
Rodgers asked if he could buy, 

937
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,720
could find illegal guns for her.
And and then the guy says, no, 

938
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:49,280
I'm not going to sell you an 
illegal gun. 

939
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Because he was a firearms 
enthusiast and gun people. 

940
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Many of you who watch the show 
probably have the same feeling. 

941
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:01,680
We don't easily get ensnared in 
illegal gun law problems because

942
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,040
we kind of have a pretty good 
idea what's in and out of 

943
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,280
bounds. 
I, I did several 100 private 

944
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,280
firearms transactions in the 
state of Texas using a service 

945
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,640
called Texas gun trader and then
arms list when it was still 

946
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,600
free. 
Once you know how those things 

947
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,160
going to work, you kind of have 
your own protocol like what you 

948
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,760
do, you know, you write up a 
bill of sale. 

949
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,880
So all right, let me just stop 
that right there. 

950
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,720
If you've never bought or sold a
gun outside of a gun store. 

951
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,600
In many states, it doesn't 
require any paperwork. 

952
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,280
I would say the vast majority of
states, you don't have to do 

953
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,320
anything special. 
You don't need a background 

954
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,720
check. 
You just have to have no 

955
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,600
particular reason to believe 
that the person that you're 

956
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,960
selling is a prohibited person 
that's going to be a felon or 

957
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,560
somebody who's involved in 
domestic violence. 

958
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,000
And and then there's. 
Kind of like best practices that

959
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,800
some people like to do, like 
they'll do a driver's license 

960
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,240
number or they'll fill out a 
bill of sale with the driver's 

961
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:52,720
license number. 
They'll take a picture of the 

962
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,720
person's ID and kind of check it
out, make sure they're the right

963
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,480
age, all that kind of stuff. 
None of that's required of you 

964
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,120
in most places. 
You just have to have a 

965
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,720
reasonable belief that there's 
no reason to believe the person 

966
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,240
is prohibited. 
And I kind of had my own little 

967
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:04,440
thing. 
I generally like to do business 

968
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,520
with people who had concealed 
handgun permits. 

969
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,280
And if they did have that, that 
means that they had gone through

970
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,200
a background and usually some 
degree of trainings, 

971
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,640
particularly in the state of 
Texas, there's like a class and 

972
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,240
you kind of know who takes that 
class. 

973
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,000
And the people take the class 
are gun people or people that 

974
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,080
want to be gun people. 
And they're not a problem. 

975
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,720
And they can buy guns because 
they can actually go to a gun 

976
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,920
store and present that and not 
have to even go through the 

977
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,520
4473. 
They can skip the background 

978
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,480
check, if memory serves. 
I'm pretty sure that's the case.

979
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,280
So all that being said is that 
gun people tend not to get 

980
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,240
ensnared in this kind of stuff. 
And in this case, they have a 

981
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,200
cop who's trying to ask this guy
to get a gun illegally, whatever

982
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,320
that was going to look like, and
he's like, no, I'm not going to 

983
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,840
do that. 
This is Colorado, so they got 

984
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,760
some screwy gun laws from what I
remember. 

985
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,680
I'm not totally up on Colorado 
laws, but I know that it's a 

986
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120
blue enough state that it's not 
a place where the Seraphin 

987
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,280
family is going to ever live. 
So there it is, another time 

988
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,200
apparently. 
She brought some people over and

989
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,400
there were two dudes there, one 
named Mike and one named Omar. 

990
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:05,720
When this guy, Gabriel Palczyk 
was invited over and Mike was 

991
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,280
missing a left leg from the knee
down and Omar was kind of a 

992
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Middle Eastern looking guy with 
a big beard, this is what he's 

993
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,560
telling Aaronson. 
Both had tattoos. 

994
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,760
And they were very buff, they 
claimed to be truckers who 

995
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,280
traffic and illegal weapons and 
said they could get grenades, 

996
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,680
TNT and AK-40 sevens and then 
asked him if he wanted to buy 

997
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,920
anything. 
If anybody offers you to sell 

998
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,920
you explosives. 
Or. 

999
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,880
Like silencers for guns without 
a tax stamp. 

1000
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,520
That's a fed. 
I'm just going to go out there 

1001
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,680
on a limb and just let you know,
as listeners of the Kyle 

1002
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,040
Seraphin show, you don't need to
be hanging out with those 

1003
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,360
people. 
Those are not people you want to

1004
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,880
be dealing with. 
Anybody that tells you they're 

1005
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,760
going to hook you up with that, 
you know, you might want to 

1006
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,920
report them to local law 
enforcement and burn that cover.

1007
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,040
But that is a just a terribly 
stupid federal operation going 

1008
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,560
on right there. 
So anyway, apparently this dude 

1009
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,120
was intrigued with them, hung 
out with them. 

1010
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,640
He said he never saw any of the 
things. 

1011
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600
They showed him an AK47. 
They claimed it was fully 

1012
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,040
automatic, but he had no way to 
test it. 

1013
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,920
Of course, he's not going to let
go, blast it into a door. 

1014
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,360
But these guys were, you know, 
buying him meals and drinks and 

1015
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,640
giving him cigars and, like, 
pumping him full of drinks and 

1016
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,600
trying to, you know, give him 16
year old Scotch. 

1017
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,320
I've never seen 16 year old 
Scotch. 

1018
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,520
I've seen 12 and I've seen 18. 
Maybe you guys will put that in 

1019
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,920
the comments. 
Is there 16 year old? 

1020
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,840
Scotch. 
Is that a thing? 

1021
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Do they do those kind of years? 
I guess they probably could do 

1022
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,880
all of them. 
So let me know what's what's a 

1023
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,960
good 16 year old Scotch in the 
comments? 

1024
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,120
I would love to know. 
Not that I'm a big Scotch guy, 

1025
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,560
but I am curious. 
Anyway, he never bought any 

1026
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,080
weapons from these people. 
So these two like apparent 

1027
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,400
attempted setups. 
What happened? 

1028
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,360
He's never been charged with a 
crime, didn't want to deal with 

1029
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,320
it, but was obviously showing up
in these public court documents.

1030
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,240
Here's what's really funny. 
So this guy, Scott Alamo police 

1031
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,920
officer, the one that was 
looking at the Somics reports he

1032
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,440
is. 
He's on the body Cam, and it 

1033
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,760
says Alamo's body Cam captured 
something else that day. 

1034
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,360
In the recording, he mentioned 
that they were police officers 

1035
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
secretly among the protesters at
the housing March. 

1036
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,880
This is another, you know, 
protest that's going on. 

1037
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,920
He said there were two 
undercover cops and and plain 

1038
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,920
and four plainclothes officers. 
And then he looked at a photo on

1039
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,120
his phone. 
A picture of April with her 

1040
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,440
giant boobs. 
Palamo says and laughed, 

1041
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,320
apparently referring to one of 
the other colors in the crowd. 

1042
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,200
The activists at the Chinook 
Center watch that video, and at 

1043
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,440
the time they didn't know who 
April Roger Rogers was, but it 

1044
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,160
was pretty easy process of 
elimination. 

1045
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,760
Eventually they were able to 
triangulate that April Rogers 

1046
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,680
was in fact Chelsea, and that's 
when they figured out who this 

1047
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,680
lady was who's running around 
because this guy added her 

1048
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,040
because of her biological build.
They go on. 

1049
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,240
And on this is a very long 
article. 

1050
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,840
This is the the kind of stuff 
that Trevor Aaronson writes. 

1051
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,520
I think they're really good. 
Here's another picture of April 

1052
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Rogers with her pink hair. 
If you're looking on the rumble 

1053
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:42,600
thing. 
I'll pull it back up. 

1054
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,480
I'll scroll through to try and 
find a couple of the pictures. 

1055
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,880
You know, I don't know that she 
looks very cop like, so I guess 

1056
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,840
that's a convincing undercover. 
But for whatever reason, this is

1057
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,160
what they chose to use. 
This is the kind of move where 

1058
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,520
you're trying to build a crime 
where it doesn't exist. 

1059
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,760
And people should have a real 
problem with that. 

1060
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,920
They should have an issue with 
your government trying to come 

1061
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:03,480
after. 
You that way. 

1062
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,520
I'm going to read one more story
here and then we'll talk quickly

1063
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,440
about the Trump thing. 
I think this one is just also we

1064
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,800
found out about some other Brady
material that's not going out. 

1065
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,320
Apparently, federal judges are 
not being versed in what Brady 

1066
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,280
is. 
The Biden appointee didn't know 

1067
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,800
what Brady material was. 
For those of you that have been 

1068
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,000
following attention, you know, 
paying attention to what's going

1069
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,120
on in all these different 
trials. 

1070
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,560
Brady material comes from the 
1963 Supreme Court decision 

1071
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Brady V. 
Maryland. 

1072
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:35,560
And it is a requirement for for 
the prosecuting office, whether 

1073
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,440
it be federal or state, they 
have to provide the defense with

1074
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,880
all exculpatory evidence that 
they're knowledgeable. 

1075
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,320
Of and here's another one of 
these cases. 

1076
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,960
This one is coming from Revolver
News and let's see who has the 

1077
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,560
byline here. 
Not sure it says. 

1078
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,760
So I'm going to assume that it's
all Darren Beatty. 

1079
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,960
It says breaking the Doug 
Mackey. 

1080
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:01,800
Now, this is the case we talked 
about earlier this week. 

1081
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,600
Douglas Mackey, the the attorney
for him accused the DOJ of 

1082
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,520
withholding exculpatory 
information and has demanded a 

1083
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,880
mistrial in this critical one, a
quote UN quote meme trial. 

1084
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,160
That's the thing here. 
So in a remarkable new 

1085
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,360
development in the Douglas 
Mackey meme trial, his lawyers 

1086
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,640
are calling for a mistrial on 
the base of the government 

1087
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,760
failing to disclose potentially 
exculpatory information to 

1088
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,240
Mackey, as they are required to 
do by law under Brady V 

1089
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,240
Maryland. 
Mackey's attorney wrote a letter

1090
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,280
that suggests that the 
exculpatory information pertains

1091
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,560
to DOJ interviews with Hillary 
Clinton. 

1092
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,440
It's not stated, but Hillary 
Clinton campaign staffers that 

1093
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,840
were made. 
Available to Mackey's defense 

1094
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,520
mid trial. 
So they didn't tell him before 

1095
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520
the thing happens. 
And here's the actual motion, 

1096
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,680
which is what I actually want to
read. 

1097
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,840
We'll leave the rest of the 
article out here. 

1098
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,520
So let's read the motions. 
Pull this thing up on the 

1099
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,640
screen. 
Here's what it says to the to 

1100
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,120
the judge, the Honorable Anne 
Donnelly. 

1101
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,320
This is being handled right now 
in the Eastern District of New 

1102
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,400
York for your awareness, which 
is not the most favorable place 

1103
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,920
for this to happen for this guy,
Dear Judge Donnelly, This is 

1104
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,800
kind of funny because you 
usually don't see a dear Judge. 

1105
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:06,880
That's not usually the way the 
motions are done. 

1106
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,560
But anyway, yesterday morning, 
shortly before court convened 

1107
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,000
for the second day of testimony 
at trial in the above referenced

1108
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,280
case, the government handed me 
two FBI 3O2 interview reports of

1109
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,000
Amy Carr. 
These are FD3O2. 

1110
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,760
That's the file who worked for 
the presidential campaign of 

1111
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,120
Hillary Clinton in 2016. 
Although I had not had 

1112
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,840
sufficient time fully to 
consider all of the 

1113
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,840
ramifications of the 
government's mid trial 

1114
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,400
disclosure, I immediately moved 
for a mistrial because the 

1115
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,320
disclosure of the reports 
appeared to include information 

1116
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,720
which the government has been 
required to disclose prior to 

1117
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,760
the trial beginning or before 
trial pursuant to Brady. 

1118
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,200
View Maryland. 
Which again decided 1963. 

1119
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,640
At yesterday's lunch break, 
after the revelations of the 

1120
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,240
report of Miss Carr, I requested
that the government produce FBI.

1121
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:58,560
Three O twos up, all interviewed
views of people who worked for 

1122
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,280
the Hillary Clinton campaign. 
The government produced an 

1123
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,600
additional 16 interviews. 
So that's 18 total interviews 

1124
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,800
that were not made available to 
the defense and are made 

1125
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,440
available mid trial. 
This is incredible stuff though,

1126
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,160
and I don't know if it's 
incompetence or malfeasance. 

1127
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,400
I just don't know. 
It's it's like it continues to 

1128
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,880
happen. 
It just feels like the DOJ is 

1129
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,840
marching out a playbook of just 
trying to railroad these things,

1130
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,680
and all of them have significant
political ramifications because 

1131
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,720
they are politically charged. 
Prosecutions in so many ways. 

1132
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,560
A cursory review of these 
reports establishes that they 

1133
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,840
also include material that 
should have been produced before

1134
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,560
trial pursued into Brady View, 
Maryland. 

1135
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,480
I did not publicly file the 
reports here with to afford the 

1136
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,240
government an opportunity to 
redact telephone numbers and 

1137
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,600
other personal information, but 
I have been courted incorporated

1138
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,120
them them all by. 
Reference herein. 

1139
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,960
It's kind of stilted language 
here. 

1140
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,600
Sorry. 
Since court adjourned yesterday 

1141
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,160
afternoon, I've been preoccupied
with preparing Mr. Mackey for 

1142
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,920
his expected testimony. 
So this is what the attorney 

1143
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,320
supposed to be doing. 
They're supposed to be like 

1144
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,880
prepping the client to do 
testimony and getting this other

1145
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,680
stuff done. 
They're not supposed to be like 

1146
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,600
expecting new things and 
disclosures mid trial, at least 

1147
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,120
not the way I understand it. 
And this would have been things 

1148
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,400
that were available. 
The FBI would have included this

1149
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,680
in discovery. 
When you click Discovery, 

1150
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,720
Export. 
So here's a Inside baseball. 

1151
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520
The FBI runs everything on a 
system called Sentinel. 

1152
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,960
And Sentinel, when you run it is
pretty easy to handle. 

1153
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,200
It is a, it's, it's like a, it's
like a file sharing program. 

1154
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,320
And when you click discovery 
export, it literally exports 

1155
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,800
everything that is appropriate 
for discovery that's outside of 

1156
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,600
whatever you're not supposed to.
There's some things like grand 

1157
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,440
jury and there's some other 
things like source documents 

1158
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,200
that don't go. 
But generally speaking, all of 

1159
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,640
your FT3O twos, which are 
basically they are just 

1160
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:47,840
interview summaries. 
The FBI agent goes and does an 

1161
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,560
interview. 
They write it up in a three O 2.

1162
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,280
The three O 2, you know, the, 
the arrest is actually 

1163
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,600
documented in a three O 2. 
Search warrants are documented. 

1164
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,720
Once you serve them in a three O
2, it's just, it's just a 

1165
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,680
testimonial document says what 
happened and, and that's it. 

1166
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,600
Then you then they go over on 
ACD and I don't know that you 

1167
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,600
can leave them out. 
So the fact that they were not 

1168
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,880
picked is, is totally bizarre. 
And it's really, you know, it's 

1169
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,320
a problem. 
It's a serious problem. 

1170
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,480
I would say that that's the 
case. 

1171
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,320
So in any case we can read. 
Just a little. 

1172
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Bit more here. 
It says the court adjourned. 

1173
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,680
Yeah. 
I haven't had ample time to 

1174
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,880
review it because they were 
doing stuff in the trial and 

1175
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,520
evaluation options. 
For this reason, I respectfully 

1176
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,960
request an adjournment of the 
trial for at least another day. 

1177
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,480
To afford Mr. Mack gave me an 
opportunity to evaluate the new 

1178
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,240
information and what our options
are and that this application is

1179
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,560
denied, then I respectfully 
request time to review and a 

1180
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,160
renewed motion for a mistrial. 
So that's the the mistrial 

1181
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:49,200
motion in the case of Mackey. 
Mr. Mackey here. 

1182
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,120
And you know, these are Brady 
violations. 

1183
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,240
This is like basic stuff. 
These are basic procedural 

1184
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:01,560
problems that we should not be 
seeing in a in a DOJ that does 

1185
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,280
this for a living in an FBI that
does this for a living. 

1186
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,920
Like they're the ones that are 
supposed to be the experts. 

1187
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,640
And as we mentioned, I said, 
there's kind of two Nuggets that

1188
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,920
I keep taking away from people. 
One of them is the change of 

1189
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,600
national security that happened 
from George Hill. 

1190
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,040
The other one is what Bill 
Shipley said, also known as 

1191
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,680
shipwreck crew, who's on on 
Twitter and, you know, used to 

1192
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,800
write for Red State. 
And he said something the other 

1193
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,840
day that I just keep repeating 
over and over again. 

1194
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,760
But it's so true. 
The government doesn't have a 

1195
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,440
vested interest in the outcome 
of criminal prosecutions, nor in

1196
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,280
the a vested interest in the 
outcome of an investigation. 

1197
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,600
Like you want to get bad guys if
they're bad, but your job should

1198
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,680
be to try to find exculpatory 
information if it exists. 

1199
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,640
If there's something out there 
that disproves your case, you 

1200
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,120
should be looking for that 
equally hard. 

1201
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,440
That's like just, that's just 
the simple idea of a fairness. 

1202
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,640
And so the government doesn't 
have an interest in the outcome.

1203
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,960
They only are interested in a 
fair process. 

1204
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
But that is not the government 
we're seeing. 

1205
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,600
What we're seeing is this 
massive overreach, this massive 

1206
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,960
attempt to continue to quote, UN
quote. 

1207
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:05,200
Win and the story of of of Doug 
Mackey's, which is probably one 

1208
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,960
of the worst stories there is, 
is that these are memes from 

1209
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,800
2016 that started getting 
prosecuted under Biden's 

1210
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,880
administration only in 2021. 
That should chill your blood. 

1211
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,800
As I said last last episode, it 
really should. 

1212
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,000
Put the fear of God into you. 
That protected free speech, and 

1213
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,000
that's what the most of. 
This is is a First Amendment 

1214
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,960
trial that is on trial and 
they're acting like it's 

1215
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,760
something else, like he somehow 
deprived people of their ability

1216
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,200
to vote. 
This guy posted memes on social 

1217
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,160
media and was arrested five 
years later. 

1218
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,600
That is truly, truly abhorrent. 
To the American sensibilities. 

1219
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,080
And it should be every bit as 
important that we've got, you 

1220
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,800
know, former or current cops 
working as undercovers, trying 

1221
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,840
to sell guns to people that have
no interest and trying to 

1222
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,840
solicit guns from people that 
have no interest because there's

1223
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,840
no allegation that they're 
involved in the gun. 

1224
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Trafficking or doing anything 
illegal like that. 

1225
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,880
This is the government trying to
set cases up and it doesn't 

1226
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,920
matter if you're on the left or 
the right. 

1227
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,000
This is a non partisan issue. 
I'm just going to keep saying 

1228
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,480
it. 
It is not a partisan issue. 

1229
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,680
The fact that the House 
Democrats are not willing to 

1230
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,600
play ball with the weaponization
committee and root out the 

1231
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,000
things that are going after 
their constituents, too, it 

1232
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:21,680
shows you some really nasty 
political angling. 

1233
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,280
I guess I don't even know what 
you call that. 

1234
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Like, it's just, it's just bad. 
It's bad politics and it's not 

1235
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,000
smart. 
It's really not smart on so many

1236
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,680
levels. 
All right, folks, that's as much

1237
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,600
as we can handle for this week. 
I want to let you know in 

1238
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,720
advance that I've already done 
an interview with Steve Baker. 

1239
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,000
He was on the Tucker Carlson 
show this week. 

1240
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,080
I did the interview earlier 
today and we'll be showing it on

1241
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,480
Monday. 
I might even put out a Twitter 

1242
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,680
poll because we went for over 3 
hours and I didn't want to stop 

1243
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,440
it at any point. 
I wanted to just keep hearing 

1244
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,760
what he had to say. 
He's a brilliant speaker. 

1245
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,680
He has a very good analysis. 
He's right down the middle of 

1246
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,720
the road as far as the kind of 
people I like to talk to. 

1247
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,160
He mentioned he's doesn't care 
about one side or the other. 

1248
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,640
They were clearly people that he
saw January 6th that were 

1249
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,040
protesters that were involved in
violence. 

1250
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,040
And he said that they were 
clearly to blame for the 

1251
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,000
violence, that they instigated 
it and they began it. 

1252
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,840
And there were more cops that 
were also involved in doing 

1253
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,240
things that were very, very 
interesting and I've not heard 

1254
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,960
described the way that it has. 
He had access to not just the 

1255
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,800
tapes that Tucker Carlson had, 
but he also had access to radio 

1256
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,320
transmissions that were being 
sent and recorded on the. 

1257
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,240
Day of January 6th by the 
Capitol Police and he's talked 

1258
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,920
to different capital police 
whistleblowers. 

1259
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,640
Seriously interesting man to 
speak to. 

1260
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,840
I very much enjoyed it. 
He and I ended up talking for 

1261
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,640
another 30 or 40 minutes after 
we got off. 

1262
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,800
I spoke to him for about four 
hours today. 

1263
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,600
So I'm debating breaking this up
into a couple of bite sized 

1264
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,600
pieces because 3 1/2 hours is, 
you know, 3 hours and 15 minutes

1265
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,240
is Joe Rogan territory. 
As he mentioned. 

1266
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,720
I don't want to do that 
necessarily to anybody, but. 

1267
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,760
I keep a lookout and see we may,
like I said, we may have a poll 

1268
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,480
on this to kind of decide 
whether it's the right thing to 

1269
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,440
do. 
And I'll let you guys decide if 

1270
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,160
you want to see something a 
little break in format. 

1271
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,520
We haven't been doing our format
too long, but I think it's a it 

1272
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,680
might be worth it. 
Ladies and gentlemen, you have 

1273
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,080
been listening to the Kyle 
Seraphin show. 

1274
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,640
As you probably know, I am Kyle 
Seraph and I do really 

1275
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,640
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1276
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,680
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1277
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,240
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1278
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,440
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1279
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,800
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1280
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,040
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1281
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,720
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1282
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,720
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1283
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,640
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1284
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,160
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1285
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,440
difference to me. 
Something on there? 

1286
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Would be great. 
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1287
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,520
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1288
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,680
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1289
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,240
If you want to set us up for 
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1290
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,400
You always have us in the car 
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1291
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,480
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1292
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,360
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1293
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,440
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1294
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1295
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,560
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We do it three times a week and 

1296
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,920
today, Friday being the last 
one. 

1297
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Mondays are our long form 
interviews. 

1298
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,320
It's where the most of you are 
coming and tuning in. 

1299
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,520
And I think you're going to find
out that this Monday is going to

1300
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,640
be really, really interesting to
you. 

1301
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,720
So check that thing out. 
We'll give you access to a bunch

1302
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,240
of interesting people, first 
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1303
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,120
people who or there or have had 
government malfeasance executed 

1304
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,920
against them. 
Worth your time. 

1305
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,680
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1306
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,320
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1307
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,400
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1308
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,400
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1309
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,000
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1310
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,360
up for it soon and I'll do 
another one for you guys. 

1311
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,520
Thanks so much for listening and
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1312
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:32,960
appreciate it. 
I will look forward to seeing 

1313
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,760
you on Monday for our interview 
of Steve Baker and definitely. 

1314
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,760
Bookmark it to come back for 
that one. 

1315
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:46,640
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1316
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,440
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