1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,720 agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,280 welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show. 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Today is Thursday. It's March the 14th and you are 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,440 here live on rumble.com/kyle Serafin. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,840 Where am I? I don't know, probably in 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,840 Lewiston ID right now. And I've got a fantastic 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,040 discussion and a really uplifting story for you guys 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,560 today. 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This is a weird year. 119 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,440 Everything's been strange. We just had a terrible State of 120 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,600 the Union address. It can only get worse from 121 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,880 there. We recommend you guys get 122 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,760 yourself prepared again, and we're really appreciative for 123 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,480 all of our sponsors that keep the show going. 124 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,320 We're going to get right into that conversation with a 125 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,280 champion. Really a great person. 126 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,960 A champion. Amy Nelson coming back for a 127 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,200 third round and a victorious victory lap. 128 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,640 I'm bringing on friend of our program and wonderful human 129 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,520 being, Amy K Nelson. Amy, welcome back again to the 130 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,040 Kyle Serafin Show. Thanks so much for having me, 131 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,360 Kyle. I'm so happy to be here. 132 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,640 I am thrilled to have you on. Let's give people a little taste 133 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,360 of where we started, maybe where it went. 134 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,560 This has been a wild couple years. 2024 is the year of 135 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,080 victory, it feels like. I think it is. 136 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,760 I was looking forward to it and it's here. 137 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,840 It's it's vindicating to see this. 138 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,720 It's we're still seeing evil happen all around the world, but 139 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,760 decent people are seeing results so much faster than maybe we 140 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,320 would have expected. Even though it feels like it's 141 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,760 1000 years, I just look back and two years ago I was working for 142 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,880 the FBI today. That's wild. 143 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,160 I can't even. I can't even imagine that. 144 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,600 All right, give people a taste of your story, if you would. 145 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,840 I don't want to set it up because you're the expert. 146 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,120 And then let's get into it. Yeah, so my husband worked for 147 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Amazon Web Services for eight years. 148 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,360 AWS is a subsidiary of Amazon. Is where the Internet lives, 149 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,920 because the Internet lives in big warehouses here on Earth, 150 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,080 not actually in the cloud. He left in 2019, started his own 151 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,480 real estate development business. 152 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:08,320 He worked in real estate, kind of like helping source land 153 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,640 where Amazon might build data centers or where they could work 154 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,080 with developers who built data centers. 155 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,880 So he leaves in 2019, starts his own business. 156 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,480 All is going well. I'm an entrepreneur. 157 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,480 We live in Seattle. We have 4 little girls who are 158 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,720 under the age of 6. So we're incredibly busy and 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,600 happy. And then the pandemic hit and a 160 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,960 couple weeks later we got a knock on the door with with by 161 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,480 two FBI agents and our lives were kind of shattered into a 162 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 million pieces. My husband was told he was the 163 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,160 target of a federal criminal investigation being run out of 164 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,920 the Eastern District of Virginia, and the allegation was 165 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,640 that my husband had committed a crime called private sector 166 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 honest services fraud, which is depriving your private employer 167 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,400 of your, quote, honest services. And it wasn't really just the 168 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,280 FBI coming to ask questions, which I don't think they really 169 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,120 often do. They come with a point of view, 170 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,880 and they had decided by that point that my husband had 171 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,000 committed this crime and that they were going to convince him 172 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,400 to plead guilty to those allegations over the next few 173 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,400 months. The government seized all of our 174 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,280 bank accounts based on these allegations. 175 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,440 In America, there's a practice called civil forfeiture where a 176 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,920 local, state and federal governments can take your money 177 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,120 based on the suspicion that it is related to a crime. 178 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,840 They do not have to charge you with a crime or prove it. 179 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,159 And it was. I mean, it was beyond. 180 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,720 They seized all of the money out of my husband's business and 181 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,520 personal accounts. They seized my bank accounts 182 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,080 because we shared money. They seized my father's bank 183 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,240 accounts. My father was two weeks post 184 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,800 kidney transplant and my husband and I helped him with his 185 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,080 medical bills, so we were transferring money to him. 186 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,760 I didn't realize that it happened as well. 187 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,680 So it went even beyond your family? 188 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,400 It did, and in fact, the most. The craziest thing to me is that 189 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,120 I was a lawyer before I started my own company is that the 190 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,560 federal government went into the client trust account of the law 191 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:10,320 firm my husband paid to represent him and seized all of 192 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,680 the money he paid his lawyers. I mean, it was done to just wipe 193 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:18,520 us out, like you have no chance to defend yourself, so you need 194 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,760 to come in and plead guilty. Let's give everybody just a 195 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,720 chance to digest what we just said or what you just shared. 196 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,320 And and I also want to let people know if you want to hear 197 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,880 this part of the story which goes long form. 198 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,560 It's emotional. It brought tears to my eyes. 199 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:32,720 It's one of the few interviews I've done that that made me 200 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,440 really emotional because it's so awful and it's and it's so 201 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,520 relatable to me. We've got kids that are roughly 202 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,080 the same age and knowing that my former employer was out there 203 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,280 just ripping people's lives up, you always know that people get 204 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,400 destroyed by investigations. Usually they deserve it. 205 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,760 There's a lot of people doing bad things and you hope we we 206 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,960 kind of believe that the the the institutions are out there 207 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,440 protecting us. This is your your story has been 208 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 so close to people like me and Steve friend and Garrett and 209 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,640 producer Phil when he started like we just, I don't know, I I 210 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,880 I cheered when I found out the end of it, which is it's a this 211 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,120 this does end better, folks. But this is gut wrenching to 212 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,880 know that your federal government the money that you 213 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,840 paid went after Amy Nelson's family and these agents were 214 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,320 being good Germans and they took everything you had and took your 215 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,760 family, like all your family's money. 216 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,640 How do you defend yourself when that happens? 217 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,520 I mean, so the the government was kind enough at the time, the 218 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,840 federal prosecutors, to tell my husband's lawyers, that our 219 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,360 family could have some money back to feed our little girls if 220 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,440 my husband would plead guilty. And I remember hearing that. 221 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,760 And just I I realized at that moment, I think fully that 222 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,280 America wasn't what I thought it was. 223 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,800 And my mother kept asking, you know, don't they care if your 224 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,600 kids can eat? And I said, mom, they is our 225 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,640 country and apparent, no, they do not. 226 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,800 The point is they don't want our girls to eat. 227 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,800 And then two weeks later there was an FBI raid. 228 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,520 And we talked all about that before Kyle. 229 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,040 But that was really terrifying. But you know, what we did to 230 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,160 survive is we we sold everything. 231 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,240 We sold our house, We sold our car, We liquidated retirement, 232 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,720 we borrowed money, We raised money, and we worked really 233 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,960 hard. My husband and I are both 234 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,320 entrepreneurs, and we just like, we just worked, right? 235 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,600 So we said we're gonna just keep making money and do the best we 236 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,920 can. We ended up moving in with my 237 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,680 sister in California, all six of us with her husband and her two 238 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,920 kids. And then we went to Hawaii to 239 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,560 live with my husband's family for a year. 240 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,840 So we are just dragging little kids all over, you know, the 241 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,600 place during the pandemic, moving them from schools, losing 242 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,680 childcare and working. I ended up getting a job with a 243 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,720 public tech company, a remote job, and then I got fired on the 244 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,760 5th day because they read an article about the civil 245 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,800 forfeiture. Didn't ask me a question, just 246 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,680 fired me. It's a liability. 247 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,320 And and so I I kind of also want to put some perspective on this. 248 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Number one, This is why I have like not sympathy for you. 249 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,920 I have empathy for you. I have lived this whole story 250 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,840 and that's why that's why it brought me to tears, because 251 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,800 I've also done that. I moved in with family and sold 252 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,600 everything. I know exactly what that feeling 253 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,160 is and it's a terrible feeling. The second thing is knowing that 254 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,120 these people just went out there and did what is easiest, and you 255 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,800 can't even blame them. They just read what was 256 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,800 happening. They're like, oh man, I don't 257 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,720 want to get involved in any of that crap like that. 258 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,120 Sounds terrible. It's why we love the story. 259 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,840 And my audience has been following the story with Steve 260 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,200 Baker. The Blaze hired him in spite of 261 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,440 the federal government coming after him. 262 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,520 And I know you've probably seen some. 263 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,200 There's something so brave about corporations that are doing 264 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,800 that, and that's why this year is so special. 265 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,880 That's why it's so uplifting. I don't want to keep 266 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,960 interrupting you, but I I keep wanting to add like these little 267 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,160 these little tangent jumps like this story touches so many other 268 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,520 these themes that we keep seeing in this in this podcast. 269 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,160 I, I think I, I, I agree with you. 270 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,520 And I think it is like that is, you know, when the federal 271 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,360 government comes for you or when someone with power weaponizes 272 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,480 the same thing, because that's what happened here. 273 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,280 You know, Amazon had actually accused my husband, my husband 274 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,800 of a crime to the DOJ. They had an intent. 275 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,920 They went in, they, they made multiple pitch presentations to 276 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,440 the DOJ of like why they should charge my husband with this 277 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,720 crime. And they had a concrete 278 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,560 financial motivation worth hundreds of millions of dollars 279 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,000 because of an action they'd taken. 280 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,880 But let's. Go down that if you don't mind, 281 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,080 because here's the thing. We've gained a a significant 282 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,200 audience since the last time we've had you on and I want to 283 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,080 give some justice that I at least want to whet their 284 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,680 appetite to go back and listen to the story. 285 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,320 Amazon lobbied the DOJ to take a criminal case. 286 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,800 People just handle how crazy this is to crush your family and 287 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,480 their their goal was to save $100 million or more. 288 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,800 More than that and and I think two things to start with, like I 289 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,440 have to skip to the end before we get to how this all happened 290 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,040 do. We I like. 291 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,080 I like making people just like, sit there like this. 292 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,320 No, but I just want to skip to the point of this, that people, 293 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,760 if you people believe me because you believe me, Kyle, because 294 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,120 you've lived this story with me. But you know, my husband was 295 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,640 never ultimately charged with a crime. 296 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,520 The DOJ returned the money it seized from us, and in total it 297 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,040 had seized $7,000,000 from businesses, investors and 298 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,320 families. And it returned all of that to 299 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,440 like 100 people, which is unheard of when the DOJ takes 300 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,800 your money like they're not, they're not apartment to give it 301 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,280 back. But more more importantly, you 302 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,760 know, my husband wasn't charged, but the DOJ had obtained federal 303 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,680 criminal guilty pleas from four men, four other men who Amazon 304 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,800 had accused. And those men had all 305 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,280 essentially pled guilty to kind of aiding and abetting my 306 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,120 husband and violating his Amazon employment duties last a month. 307 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Two months ago now, the Department of Justice vacated 308 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,520 those guilty pleas, which, you know, I read in an article when 309 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,400 General Flynn's plea was vacated. 310 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,040 No former federal prosecutor could cite to another example of 311 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,240 that happening at the time. So this investigation ended in 312 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,600 like a fireball of mess, right, Because Amazon had manipulated 313 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,800 the government. Essentially, Amazon had broken a 314 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,480 contract with a real estate developer and the only way they 315 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,000 could do that was if the real estate state developer pled 316 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,880 guilty or was convicted of a felony crime. 317 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,840 They broke the contract on February 19th, 2020. 318 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,800 They had their first meeting with DOJ on February 20th, 2020 319 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,400 to lobby for these criminal charges. 320 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,600 I mean, the paper trail is just dumb, right? 321 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,280 And the I'll explain why I think that that part of it really 322 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,040 matters. But you know, they spent years 323 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,080 trying to lobby for these charges to get out of the 324 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,520 liability they face to this real estate developer for the 325 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,240 contract they broke. And so they said that the real 326 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,320 estate developer played my paid, my husband kickbacks, which did 327 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,120 not happen. And they really like, you know, 328 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,560 it was this interesting scenario, which I think happens 329 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,960 a lot in the in the DOJ that, you know, people with access go 330 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,200 in and say XY or Z happened. And then the prosecutors and the 331 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,240 FBI agents work backwards to fit the facts into whatever that 332 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,840 person said happened, which is the. 333 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,760 Exact opposite of what we want. Like that's not justice. 334 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,440 It's not. It's it's ridiculous. 335 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,920 And I think that, you know, you know, when we say Amazon lobby 336 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,280 the DOJ, Amazon ended up suing my husband in civil court. 337 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,560 And it turned out to be the greatest blessing. 338 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,040 It was terrifying when it happened because Amazon sued my 339 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,360 husband after the DOJ had seized our bank accounts. 340 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,680 So at this point, we're like, OK, not only do we have to fight 341 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,480 the DOJ, now we have to fight Jeff Bezos in in federal court. 342 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,240 But, you know, I mean, I guess they didn't Google us. 343 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,600 We're like a whole family of lawyers. 344 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,000 I'm a lawyer. My father in law's a lawyer. 345 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,920 My father's a lawyer. So. 346 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,200 So we just, we did it. But, but I think you know, we 347 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,480 the reason the civil case matters so much is that we were 348 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,080 able to get discovery from Amazon and one of the things we 349 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,560 were able to get was all of Amazon's communications with 350 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,720 DOJ. And in a normal world, when 351 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,680 someone accuses you of a crime, say you're indicted, you don't 352 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,600 get to really see the communications between the 353 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,280 accuser and the Department of Justice. 354 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,600 And we got to see all of them. And they are shocking. 355 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,240 I mean just shocking. First, they're shocking in the 356 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,800 scope Amazon met with DOJ over 100 times. 357 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,360 You would like to think that it's. 358 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,760 Something the a large corporation sent their lawyers 359 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,400 to meet with our federal government. 360 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,480 The prosecuting end 100 times when they are are not really the 361 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,960 party at stake. Theoretically it's a violation 362 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,400 of federal law. So the United States is the 363 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,119 party. It would be United States versus 364 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,760 your your husband. Not DOJI mean not not Amazon. 365 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,400 Correct, there's. No daylight between them, 366 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,160 though, it turns out. None. 367 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,599 And I think, like, one, one thing just to step back, right 368 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:27,359 when we talk about Access is that Amazon Web Services like 369 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,560 hosts all the secrets they secure, the secrets of the FBI, 370 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,400 the Department of Defense, the NSA, the CIA in their Internet 371 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,240 warehouses, their data centers. Like, I don't think there's a 372 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,920 way for the US government at this point to exist without 373 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Amazon Web Services. And like that is a big, big 374 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,640 problem. The other side of that is, can 375 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,880 Amazon exist without the federal government monies? 376 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Because we're talking about what, 10s and 10s of billions 377 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,000 per contract? If you look, no one talks about 378 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,960 this, but if you look at Amazon stock, right? 379 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,240 Because everyone people forget that Amazon was not an 380 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,520 incredibly valuable company for a very long time. 381 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,960 If you look at Amazon stock, when my husband started in 2012, 382 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,240 I think the stock was like $150.00 a share. 383 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,640 In 2013, Amazon got their $10 billion CIA contract, which like 384 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,760 I have no idea how they got that contract. 385 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,120 Does anyone has anybody ever written about it? 386 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,160 And that was it. Was it called Jedi? 387 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Was that the name of the system? No, that was a 2019 debacle. 388 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,920 OK, that was. Another one, yeah, for first one 389 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,000 2013 and their stock started to soar. 390 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,240 It was that that did it. I mean I Amazon. 391 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,200 Amazon is a retail store what we what we know and use doesn't 392 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,080 really make much money. But Amazon Web Services is the 393 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,160 company's cash cow. It's what made them more 394 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,080 valuable than gold. And I think that, you know, 395 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,000 yeah, the the relationship is just so intertwined between the 396 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,560 government and Amazon. And I think that's why, you 397 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,840 know, when Amazon says we want to go accuse someone of the 398 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,080 crime, they expect DOJ to, like, say, yes, Sir, what do you need? 399 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 How can we help you? And that is what happened here. 400 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,400 And that's the stunning and shocking, like, literally it's 401 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,840 what happened. Like there are, you know, we 402 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:11,560 there are emails where you know we see the Amazon ask the DOJ to 403 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,520 seize my husband's bank accounts and just emailed over my 404 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,080 husband's direct deposit information that he gave Amazon 405 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,840 as an employee without a subpoena. 406 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,320 They just sent it. So Amazon had records. 407 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,240 They voluntarily provided it so that they could show DOJ what 408 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,920 the target. And then they told DOJ the 409 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,680 priorities. I remember you sharing some of 410 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,120 those like the actual script there. 411 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,480 And it was like, these are our priorities. 412 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,680 This is what we want you to do. And then DOJ was like, yeah, I 413 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,080 got it, OK, 100%. Who was the attorney that 414 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,800 represented Amazon going over there? 415 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,800 Because I think that's also a good, fun part of the story for 416 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,640 people. Yeah. 417 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,640 So the attorney that represented Amazon is a man named Patrick 418 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Stokes. He had been a former federal 419 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,520 prosecutor executor in the Eastern District of Virginia for 420 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,200 a very long time, and he was seeking criminal charges in the 421 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,720 Eastern District of Virginia. He's now works in private 422 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,160 practice for a big law firm in Gibson Dunn that represents 423 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,440 Facebook and Apple and Amazon, all of them. 424 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,560 And he, you know, he went and lobbied his former colleagues, 425 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,520 as far as I can tell from the paper record I've seen. 426 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,200 Amazon hired Patrick Stokes to do this. 427 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,560 And like you can't tell me that relationship doesn't matter. 428 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,000 Or they could have used any of the thousands of other lawyers 429 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,880 they've used. You know, previously they had, 430 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,280 they hired Patrick Stokes and he quite literally phoned the US 431 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,760 Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, who he 432 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,920 used to be a lawyer with at DOJ. His name was Terwilliger. 433 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,840 And then they roped in at the time, the deputy criminal Chief, 434 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,640 Jessica Aber, who is now the US Attorney for the Eastern 435 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,800 District of Virginia. And they just off to the races, 436 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,400 you know, it's it's wild. I think, you know, I am a lawyer 437 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,400 and I'm also a researcher. I'm an investigator at heart. 438 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,560 And the one thing that I know to be true, because I used to also 439 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,680 be very involved in politics, is that relationships matter deeply 440 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,320 and you want to figure out who the players are. 441 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,000 And I did that very early on. And I was like, holy shit, this 442 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,880 is nuts. Like all these people know each 443 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,440 other. And they work together. 444 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,960 And it's just, but like if you didn't know the system and you 445 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,600 didn't know to do this, like you wouldn't have any idea. 446 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,240 I mean, there's a very crazy part of the story, Kyle, that I 447 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,000 don't think I've even told you. One of Amazon's other targets 448 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,200 was a man named Casey Kirschner, and he, he had no money after 449 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,120 DOJ wiped him out. And he was the special Agent 450 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,400 Josh Josh Huckel who was the FBI agent that worked on this, which 451 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,800 is public information. He called Casey and said, I can 452 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,720 get you a public defender because they wanted Casey to 453 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,400 have a lawyer, because they wanted him to plead guilty, 454 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,400 They. Wanted to stand up. 455 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,160 Yeah, yeah, You need a lawyer to to navigate that process. 456 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,280 In case he did not plead guilty, of course. 457 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,200 And the public defender sent an e-mail out to private attorneys 458 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,640 saying I'm a public defender. I have this case in the Eastern 459 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,480 District of Virginia. I need help pro bono, help free 460 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,560 legal help. Private lawyers often do that. 461 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,680 One lawyer responded, and his name was Fry Wernick, and he 462 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,240 worked with a firm called Benson and Elkins in Washington, DC, 463 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,920 smaller office of of a big law firm. 464 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,360 Amazon's general counsel for ethics and compliance used 465 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:14,040 through Omar used to work at that Washington, DC office of 466 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Vincent and Elkins, and the lawyer who applied, Fry Warnick, 467 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,920 used to work for Patrick Stokes at the Department of Justice. 468 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,880 Amazon's new lawyer, Fry Warnick, did not disclose that 469 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,320 to Casey at all. And Fry Warnick said that he's 470 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,760 had one phone call with Casey and he said you have no 471 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,280 defenses, you have to plead guilty. 472 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Whoa, Let's just breathe on that. 473 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,680 The the, the amount of conflict of interest and corruption that 474 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,800 has existed across the entire spectrum of your case is 475 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,080 actually really staggering to me. 476 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,320 The thing that I think is most powerful about your story from 477 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,720 my audience who probably did not or does not or has not voted the 478 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,200 way that you did and didn't think about the world that that 479 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,560 that you see, that we see. Look, I love, I hate your story 480 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,520 because it just, it destroys the credibility of the thing that 481 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,480 people who work for the government have done. 482 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080 They've sold themselves out for a government pension. 483 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,880 And all the people that said yes, in your situation, that 484 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,120 should have looked at it and been like, Nah, this is 485 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,240 bullshit. I'm not going to do it. 486 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,720 I refuse that, that that was an option along the way. 487 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,440 That could have been a DOJ. Finally, someone said it. 488 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,280 And I I don't know exactly who said it, but somebody did, and I 489 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,920 applaud them. But it was far too late. 490 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Far too late. The the overwhelming smackdown 491 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,680 that that that exists when the the judge vacate is vacates 492 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,120 perfectly good guilty pleas that were you know negotiated by 493 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:43,000 attorneys is incredible as you said no precedent. 494 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,080 This is more than one. This is not just General Flynn 495 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,200 and a political this is little people who get squashed by the 496 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,040 government on the regular basis. This is what they do. 497 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,840 Let's talk about your political history where you came from like 498 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,560 because this disrupted your faith in the same way it 499 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,000 disrupted mine. We came from different angles. 500 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,560 We all have a common enemy. The common enemy is big business 501 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,800 and big government. Saying human beings that that 502 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,520 are supposed to be the ones that are served don't matter. 503 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,920 I. Think yeah, I I mean I yeah, I 504 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,800 agree And I, you know, yes, Kyle. 505 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,360 I spent my entire life as a a card carrying Democrat. 506 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:23,840 Like I believed in the Democratic Party the way a lot 507 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,480 of people believe in a faith or a religion and I also have my 508 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,280 faith. But I I believed in it deeply. 509 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,160 I as a child, I, you know I spent time in union halls. 510 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,400 I was knocking on doors. I was a bundler for Barack 511 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,840 Obama. I worked on congressional races 512 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:46,160 for Democratic candidates. Like I I believed, you know, I I 513 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,520 believed that the government was. 514 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,760 And the reason I was a Democrat is that I wanted to help people 515 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,320 who couldn't help themselves. I believe that the Democratic 516 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,680 Party was was very good for children. 517 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,920 It was good for the elderly. It was good for, you know, 518 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400 people who who who had less than less than I did. 519 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,440 Isn't that the historical position that the Democrats 520 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,520 tried to stake out anyway, though? 521 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,200 I mean, I don't think that was. Yeah, I mean, it was. 522 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,120 I think we. Used to disagree about like the 523 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,680 reason or or the methods at which we help people. 524 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,120 But I don't think conservatives or Republicans, and I'm not a 525 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,280 Republican either, so it doesn't matter. 526 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,120 But like Republicans didn't say, well, those people don't matter 527 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,960 or they just said, well, there's a better way to handle it, which 528 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,560 is private. You guys say that the better way 529 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,160 to handle it is public. That's a policy disagreement. 530 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,720 Yeah, it is a policy and and that's what I have learned 531 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,880 through all of this, right. And I think there's like so much 532 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,040 power in that, is it? Most of us want the same things, 533 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,640 right? It's just how do we get there? 534 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,680 And then I now believe that just the media and the government 535 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,880 tries to distract us from actual solutions with a bunch of BS so 536 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,920 that they can actually serve the interests of the people they're 537 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,000 interested in serving, which are billionaires and big 538 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,120 corporations. So. 539 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,880 But like it's. And and you've used the term 540 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,120 that I've not heard anyone else use. 541 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,040 And I continue to. I'll credit you every time I do 542 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,000 it. But like, we're talking about an 543 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,160 oligarchy. Yeah, we live in an oligarchy. 544 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Like it's dumb to say otherwise. We live in an oligarchy because, 545 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,360 you know, we live in a pay to play system. 546 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,120 We, our politicians, need the political donations to win. 547 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,480 They spend an enormous amount of the time they are with that we 548 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,720 are paying them to govern. They spend that that time out 549 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280 raising money that is every politician. 550 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,240 And so you know they serve the interests of the people and 551 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,560 companies that donate them the most money and like of course 552 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,680 they do. That makes sense right? 553 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,000 Like they're they're benefactors and and I mean I think also 554 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,880 really importantly, aside from our dumb campaign finance laws 555 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,000 which have created an oligarchy, you know, we allow our 556 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 politicians to inside trade, which I just get angrier and 557 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,920 angrier about. Like everybody is a multi 558 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600 millionaire in Congress and it's and they didn't go there as 559 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,240 multi millionaires. And I am so angry about it 560 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,520 because it's just it's ridiculous like they go there to 561 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,400 get rich and then they get out and then they lobby and it makes 562 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,160 no sense and nobody's helping anybody. 563 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,200 Like we have no practical solutions and now the government 564 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,120 doesn't even govern like no party. 565 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,080 Like what the this the Congress has done in the past few years 566 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560 is like basically nothing, right? 567 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,680 Except fight and then, yeah. Might be the best thing 568 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,920 considering how bad they are. I mean, it's true, but like it's 569 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,640 it. It is true on the one hand and 570 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,080 on the other hand, like you look back to the government that 571 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680 existed when we were kids, you know, in the 80s. 572 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,800 Like the parties talked, they negotiated, they got things done 573 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400 and it just operated a lot better than it does now. 574 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560 And I don't want to keep paying for them. 575 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,960 And it's just, it's ridiculous. It's so upsetting. 576 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,600 And, you know, I think we just allow it. 577 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,120 And then and then we fight culture wars, some of which are 578 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,320 important, some of which I think are a big distraction from the 579 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,280 fact that like, you know, we yeah anyway. 580 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,480 And then you look at our tax. I could go. 581 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,360 I'm not. I'm not kind to people that 582 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,200 dress up like women because I love women. 583 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,320 I think women are really important. 584 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,680 I'm raising several little ones and and I know you are too, and 585 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,640 so we may not even agree on that position, but I don't think that 586 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840 trainings are the biggest danger to my children, I. 587 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,440 Don't, I don't think about it a lot like, I mean, I certainly 588 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,560 there I like and I think there's like. 589 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,080 I mean it it goes like you could go on a whole rabbit hole there 590 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,720 because. I do think it's distractionary 591 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,800 and and and when you said that the first time I was like, I'm 592 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,800 100% on board with that. The other thing is, is since 593 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,480 that time I've actually had some guy, and he's a guy with like 594 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,680 earrings and a gauge nose ring and all the other weird things 595 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,320 that people do when they're confused about what to do with 596 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,160 their life. I don't hate this guy, by the 597 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,280 way, But he took over and he was. 598 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,760 He's teaching or he's teaching the class that my girls were in. 599 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,880 I pulled him out of a YMCA gymnastics class because you had 600 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,640 three beautiful little girls and some of them have piercings and 601 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,720 they have little tattoos, whatever. 602 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160 But they're like little girly girls and they're teaching 603 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,800 little girly girls how to do gymnastics. 604 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,440 It's a hands on thing. You know, they don't know how to 605 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,520 do back bends. They don't know how to do 606 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,400 forward rolls. So they're doing that. 607 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,640 And then you got some dude in there who's confused. 608 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,400 That same guy in in our childhood in the 90s would have 609 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,040 been like, he would have been wearing black lipstick and he 610 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,480 would have had a really fat girlfriend wearing leather from 611 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Spencer's gifts. He would have, I just know what 612 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,240 he would have looked like. And then and then and then if 613 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,800 you had been in the early 2000s when I was in college, like he 614 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,280 would have been like with some really gay looking guy and they 615 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,720 would have worn little tiny matching outfits and they would 616 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920 have been obnoxious then. And now he's wearing whatever 617 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,960 he's wearing, sweatpants with glitter and nose rings and 618 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,920 tattoos behind his ear. He's that guy. 619 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320 He's an empty vessel. That's like, he's confused. 620 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,560 So I don't hate him. I hate that the culture did that 621 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,640 to him. But he's not my enemy and and 622 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,600 it's a that's a distraction. I just went like, OK, you don't 623 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,480 get to teach my kids now. I can't go to the YMCA. 624 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,720 That sucks. I gotta go find like a cheer 625 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800 camp or something like. It's yeah, when I think they're 626 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,080 like, I mean, I think there are things like there are definitely 627 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,520 important conversations to be had. 628 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,640 Like I have four daughters. Do I want people who have male 629 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,000 genetics to be competing against them when they're in 6th and 7th 630 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,840 grade in sports? I don't. 631 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,360 I don't think it's fair like, you know, but like, but and 632 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920 that's a conversation that should it come into my life, I 633 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,480 will. I will think about it and deal 634 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,760 with it, but. Like, yeah, when it comes to 635 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000 you, you'll figure it out because it's 'cause you're well. 636 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,200 Here's the other thing. You have to have good 637 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320 priorities. Your priorities are family, your 638 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,040 kids. We've seen this over the last 639 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,480 couple years if we've been watching your story. 640 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,080 So yeah, you'll handle it. I I handle it too. 641 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080 It's like, and I just don't go to the YMCA. 642 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Oh well. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos. 643 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,360 Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos is over here not paying taxes and making 644 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,440 billions of dollars off of all of us and weaponizing the 645 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,200 Department of Justice. And it's just, you know, and The 646 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,720 thing is so many people are when my husband, you know, ultimately 647 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880 the reason I believe the DOJ vacated the guilty pleas is that 648 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,720 Amazon's lawyers just lied about Amazon's employment duties. 649 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,120 And there's a whole problem with the statute that my husband was 650 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,720 accused under because it essentially allows a company to 651 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,560 say what is a crime, which isn't how criminal law is supposed to 652 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,360 work. But like, they, they really 653 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,840 quite literally lied about what my husband's employment duties 654 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,680 were. And the judge in the civil case 655 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120 that Amazon filed ruled that he said that this isn't these 656 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,360 aren't what Carl Nelson's employment duties are at all And 657 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,680 the federal criminal guilty pleas said the false employment 658 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,120 duties and so but OK so great. So we we were able to fight. 659 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,600 We were able to a have the constitution to do it which is 660 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,520 something else. Right. 661 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,840 I mean that is like I could throw up. 662 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,360 There were a lot of days I wanted to throw up. 663 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,480 There were days I didn't know I could get out of bed because it 664 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:28,080 was so terrifying for so many years for 13179 days and but 665 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,280 like so there's the constitution for it and the constitution of 666 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,600 like the people that love you. Right. 667 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,160 Like we put our parents through hell. 668 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,640 We didn't. The government did. 669 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,960 Our elderly parents, you know, our our family members like it. 670 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,280 You know, my 97 year old grandmother is praying the 671 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,840 rosary every day, like hoping that my husband doesn't go to 672 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,600 prison for something he didn't do. 673 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,640 So I think that's. That's third world stuff. 674 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760 That's Banana Republic. One of the one of the things, I 675 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,160 don't know if I I had this catch phrase in my head at the time 676 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,840 that we spoke last. But one of the things that I've 677 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,440 gone out there, and I've said it a lot now, is that the the 678 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,680 country that I grew up in would invade the country that I live 679 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,200 in. I've seen you say that. 680 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,720 I like it. Here's the thing. 681 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,440 Arresting journalists, out weaponizing government to go 682 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880 after political opponents, financial opponents, people who 683 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,360 are inconvenient to the big businesses. 684 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,480 Like that's literally what the Banana Republic is. 685 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,360 The Banana Republic is run by a company. 686 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120 The company says, hey, these are the problems, go crush that 687 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,040 revolution. They're screwing up our workers 688 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,240 and they did that to you. They they Banana Republic 689 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,720 themselves. Like we didn't make them do 690 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,840 this. No. 691 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,520 Well, The thing is like, it's not just us. 692 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,240 If you take just solely the example of Amazon, over 75 693 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,040 Americans have been indicted for federal Amazon crimes in the 694 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,840 past five years. And it's like, what? 695 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,520 Wait, what? Like why are we using our 696 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,040 taxpayer resources to like criminally regulate Jeff Bezos 697 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,440 marketplace so that Amazon has gotten the DOJ to indict third 698 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,520 party sellers, vendors, seller consultants, employees like 699 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,600 landlords, business partners. They're like we don't like these 700 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,680 people. We're gonna crush them. 701 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,280 And you know, there's, you know, I think people do a good job 702 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,120 when they don't want to believe someone of just de platforming 703 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,080 them or delegitimizing them. And I don't know Michael Sanchez 704 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,360 who's Lauren Sanchez's brother? Michael Lawrence Sanchez's Jeff 705 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,040 Bezos girl fiance. Right. 706 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,840 But when under the belt picks of Jeff Bezos for leaks to the 707 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,360 Inquirer did. You say under the. 708 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,240 Belt. Yeah, under the belt. 709 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,680 I don't want you know. Pantsless. 710 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,920 Yeah. Cancels pictures and Bezos for 711 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,360 like leak to The Enquirer and Michael Sanchez, Lauren's 712 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,520 brother got blamed for it and I don't know what happened. 713 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920 I know nothing. But you know Michael Sanchez and 714 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,280 copies me on a lot of interesting things and he 715 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,120 because I've, I've been fighting publicly against Bezos and 716 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Amazon anyway. He has, you know, he's sent, he 717 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,640 has this recording of Jeff Bezos where Jeff Bezos talks about how 718 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,520 he might sue the National Enquirer just to bankrupt them 719 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320 for fun. And, you know, that's the kind 720 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,560 of personality that we're dealing with, right? 721 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,200 As somebody who's like, I will just crush you through the legal 722 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,120 system. And when the person with that 723 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,200 personality has access to the FBI and the DOJ, like, it's 724 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,000 pretty terrifying. That's movie villain type stuff 725 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880 though. We literally see those in 80s 726 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,719 movies that we used to be like this is what real evil looks 727 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,080 like. People who can really just go, 728 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,080 I'm going to call it, you know, And then we saw like, it's it's 729 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560 Gotham City. It's it's all of the worst sort 730 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,320 of cartoonish corruption. It is. 731 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,239 I mean, like in my mind, I think of Jeff Bezos, like Lex Luthor, 732 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,800 right, with the ball. Like, you know, it's just, yeah. 733 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,719 And I think that one thing I would. 734 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,280 They would sue you for that. One thing I think is happening 735 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,520 in 2024 to talk about the year is that Americans of all 736 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,520 persuasions are starting to say things or see, like Jeff Bezos 737 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,400 isn't our hero, right? He's not the hero of this 738 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,960 American story. Like his dad gave him hundred, 739 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,880 like, you know, half $1,000,000 to start Amazon. 740 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,320 And he did. And Amazon is an arbitrage play. 741 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,000 Like it's, you know, like Amazon makes money on kickbacks from 742 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,360 people who sell on his platform and from the government and then 743 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,800 they don't pay taxes. It's not, it's not a gritty, 744 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,240 wonderful American story. And and it destroyed thousands 745 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,400 of small businesses. I mean, it just wiped them out. 746 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,760 It's not the riveter toe. You know, it's not like it's 747 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,880 like my start up. Yeah, you know, so it is like 748 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,680 you you just, and I think that people are starting to realize 749 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,080 that these billionaires are not our friends and they don't care 750 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,480 for us and they actually don't want us to have the information 751 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,600 we need. They don't want us to be 752 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960 successful. You know, some, some people. 753 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,920 You know, my husband was incredibly successful when he 754 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,920 went out on real estate and started his own real estate 755 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,400 development company. And you know, for Amazon to come 756 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,360 after him, it was like, no, no, you can only take the salary 757 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,280 we'll give you once you want to go off and build your own 758 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,400 company. Nope, no more slots available 759 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,880 for entrepreneurship in America. Like, you're done. 760 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640 I mean it just it makes no sense. 761 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,160 So this is the thing. And and This is why I think 762 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,240 there, there's such a big divide in this country between, like 763 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,320 rural and urban areas. And follow me on this, if this 764 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,960 makes sense to you. The reason why people are so 765 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,840 unhappy when they live in cities and why they're so cutthroat is 766 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,040 because the pie's already been divided and you're fighting over 767 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,680 whatever leftover slices are. That's an inherently sort of 768 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,280 left wing sort of position to be in that there needs to be 769 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,320 fairness. We need government. 770 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,200 We actually do need government when there's a ton of people. 771 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,560 And that's why people in the rural areas are like, no, no, 772 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,280 there's tons of, like, America, Have you been to America? 773 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,560 There's lots of it. And if you only stay in the 774 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,680 place where the pie has already been divided and you're fighting 775 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,280 over scraps, then you want more government to be fair. 776 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200 It doesn't turn out to be fair, but that's what you want. 777 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,320 And then if you're out there in the world where you're like, no, 778 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,200 no, no, we own a ton of land. I used to go shoot on on USA 779 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,320 property. If you look on the maps of The 780 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480 Who owns the plat, it says property of the United States of 781 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,960 America, like all of us own that land and you can do all kinds of 782 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,960 stuff. You can camp on it. 783 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,920 There's no rules. You just go out there and put 784 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,800 your RV and then you just stay there if you want. 785 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,120 Yeah, it's like I think people, a lot of people want to be told 786 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,240 what to do because it makes them feel safer. 787 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,560 But the point is if someone tells you what to do, someone 788 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,880 else is making up the rules. And like, the rules are always 789 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,200 changing and you don't know what they are. 790 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,000 And like, just go, go make go live by what you think is right, 791 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,720 Right. And. 792 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,120 And yeah. And I think, yeah, I don't know. 793 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,440 It's I I hear what you're saying. 794 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,360 I think it makes a lot of sense. Like, and I have lived in New 795 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,160 York and Seattle and then I have lived in more rural places. 796 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,640 And I've spent a lot of time like northern Minnesota where 797 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,400 there's no one, no one's up there. 798 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,920 And it's beautiful. And people are much nicer to 799 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,400 each other because they're not fighting. 800 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,440 They don't. They're not looking for that 801 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,680 thing. So there was this Joe Rogan 802 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,480 podcast I listened to and I can't remember the guy's name 803 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,280 and I'm, I'm sorry, I can't give him credit for the idea. 804 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,760 But essentially, he said there are two basic types of societies 805 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,080 that exist. One is agrarian and one of them 806 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,520 is herding. Have you heard this before? 807 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,080 I have heard it before and we are mostly in a herding society 808 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,120 at this point. Which means that we are very 809 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,040 tribalistic and that we are very punitive and we're really 810 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,480 aggressive. But the reason that Western 811 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,480 society exists is because we invented agriculture. 812 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,360 And then when you have that physical land barrier, you need 813 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,200 a government to come in because it's the one that's the third 814 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,000 party. It doesn't care who's right or 815 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,480 wrong. It just says you've outsourced 816 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480 justice to me and now I'm going to make sure that you haven't 817 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,360 moved the marker stones or stolen this. 818 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,680 But if it's about like things that we can't track, we're all 819 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,280 mad about that. We all feel like we're being 820 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,520 conned anyway. The the idea is, is that people 821 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,360 who actually live in rural societies tend to be like, OK 822 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,320 with law and order because it's further removed. 823 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,440 It's not in their business. It's disinterested. 824 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,440 We want a we want a government that's not interested. 825 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,720 Our government is interested, though. 826 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,000 Oh my God, they're so interested. 827 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,720 And I think, like I was thinking about this the other day because 828 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,080 I was talking with somebody, you know, and with with our society 829 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,480 and with people, with businesses like infinite, like infinite 830 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,560 growth is not possible. Like at a certain point a 831 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,680 business can't grow anymore or we'll kill ourselves trying to 832 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,240 make it grow and working people to the to the bone. 833 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,920 And I was thinking about that in a way. 834 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,560 And I was thinking about the DOJ and the FBI and, you know, when 835 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,440 it, when the FBI started, way back when in the, like, the 836 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,320 precursor in the 20s, thirties, you know, it was never meant to 837 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,800 be this massive organization, right? 838 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,480 And and now it is. And like, not only, I think is 839 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,800 an organization that tries to make itself necessary by doing 840 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,800 more and more and more and more and putting more people in 841 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,560 prison for wild things, right, that like 100 years ago we would 842 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,000 have been like, wait, what? Like, that's not a crime. 843 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,240 And but, you know, they're so punitive and they're so, like, 844 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,240 they just want to be necessary and they want to keep growing. 845 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,600 And I'm like, why does the DOJ keep needing to grow bigger and 846 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,640 bigger? Why? 847 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,520 Right. Like, what is the purpose of 848 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,040 that? Just to be a hammer? 849 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,240 Like, is the world a nail, I guess. 850 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,800 DOJDOJ is government like all governments, all good government 851 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,080 agencies. Growth is the goal. 852 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,640 It exists because it's always existed and and you've you've 853 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,600 probably seen this you've driven through Oregon, right. 854 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,200 They they won't let you pump your gas there, correct? 855 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,840 Yeah, correct. And I asked a guy in Jersey one 856 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,680 time who did the same thing and it blew my mind. 857 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,280 I was like, wait, what? So, But I know they do it in 858 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,560 Oregon as well. There's a couple of states where 859 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,400 you can't pump your own gas. I said, why do you need to pump 860 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,080 the gas when I could do it now? By the way, that used to be the 861 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,000 standard in like the 50s and 60s and 70s people actually, they 862 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480 had self-serve and then they had, you know, full serve, which 863 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,240 I remember the end of that, which is weird. 864 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,080 Yeah, I did too. We were. 865 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,480 We were little kids. We saw like the end of some of 866 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,120 these things. That's the benefit of that 867 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,000 analog childhood. We fell all the time before 868 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,240 people were on their phones or the Internet. 869 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,520 Beautiful. Yeah, it really was. 870 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,160 He was so much better, this guy. I said, why do why do people 871 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,760 need to pump my gas if I can do it better or if I can do it for 872 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,200 myself? And he said people need jobs. 873 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,320 That's why the DOJ has to exist. People need jobs. 874 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,320 That's not a good reason. Dumb like that is not a reason 875 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,520 for something to exist. Like, I actually really liked 876 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,400 Vivek Ramaswamy's proposal about the FBI. 877 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,120 Because one of the things like when you have big corporations 878 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,480 or just powerful people who can who can get access to DOJ and 879 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,080 have them, you know, hunt people down it. 880 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,800 One of the issues is that like, you know, Amazon went and said 881 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,160 all these things to DOJ for. Here's a here's a simple 882 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,880 example. They said that they had overpaid 883 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,480 inflated prices for land by like 10s of millions of dollars. 884 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,120 And the FBI and the DOJ and the prosecutors were like, OK, OK, 885 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,240 thanks Amazon for telling us that they didn't check. 886 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,800 They didn't like, check what land prices were and they didn't 887 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,000 check comparisons like this is all public information on Google 888 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,320 and they just didn't check it. They just took what Amazon said. 889 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,800 And they don't know that, like, land that can be used for data 890 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,200 centers is far more valuable than land that can't be. 891 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,560 You know, it's like, because it's like gold. 892 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,560 It's like gold land anyway. And so one of the things about 893 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,760 the FBI is like you're asking FBI agents to become like 894 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,560 experts in these in these different fields that they're 895 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,600 tasked with investigating. And in some instances I think 896 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,280 that's OK, but in a lot it's not and. 897 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,720 They're not experts. Let's just go. 898 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,040 Let me just go on record and dispel anybody's idea. 899 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,200 You know, people get assigned. The old joke at the FBI Academy 900 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,960 is how do you get assigned to that field office and that 901 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,600 particular task. And the joke is that there's 902 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,360 drunk monkeys throwing darts at a board. 903 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,800 They took a guy like me. My background was paramedic 904 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,400 military. I'd done outside sales. 905 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,760 They're like Chinese counterintelligence. 906 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,680 That's where you're going to fit. 907 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,960 And I'm like, like, I don't speak Chinese. 908 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,400 I don't, I don't care about Chinese. 909 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,320 I'm not interested. Well, it's like this is like 910 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,920 agent, agent, Huckel said to someone once they, the FBI agent 911 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600 on the case, like someone had talked about like in commercial 912 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,560 real estate, there are like rebates and referral fees that 913 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,200 people could call kickbacks, right? 914 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,640 Like, this is like, they're perfectly legal. 915 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,040 And Huckel said to somebody, Well, I asked my brother-in-law, 916 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,880 who's a broker, and he said, no, I'm like, oh, so you OK, so 917 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,560 you're you asked your brother-in-law, so OK, send my 918 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,760 husband to prison because your brother-in-law who like, what 919 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,360 Bob. Bob just said Nope, that's not a 920 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,040 thing. Yeah. 921 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:18,800 I asked the guy. What? 922 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,040 We're doing, yeah. I went down to the diner and I 923 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,360 was like, hey, can you do this thing? 924 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,000 And he was like, Nah, so that was it. 925 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,720 That's the that's the worst example. 926 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,560 But, I mean, that's exactly how it works. 927 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,040 My buddy, who spoke fluent Russian and lived first in 928 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,800 Siberia for two years, was sent to the middle of nowhere to work 929 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,320 on Indian crimes. That makes no sense. 930 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,360 No, it makes no sense. It's like they have resources, 931 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,640 they have accountants, they have capabilities. 932 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,880 They took producer Phil, who has a background in accounting and 933 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,320 they made him an auditor. That actually makes some sense, 934 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,960 except the auditor is supposed to be like a retirement gig and 935 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,920 nobody wanted to do it. So rather than take people who 936 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,880 have the most energy and are most willing to go out and learn 937 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,240 new things and do the most aggressive type stuff, no, they 938 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,840 don't take experts in the field and have them do it. 939 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,880 So your case is just another example of mediocracy 940 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,400 masquerading as prestigious and competent. 941 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,400 And and it's it's incredibly dangerous. 942 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,640 It turns out to actually have real think about if your family 943 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,000 wasn't made of lawyers. Think about if your family 944 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,840 didn't have the ability to to stick through this and have that 945 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,360 courage of conviction, you would just get crushed. 946 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,440 Your husband would plead. Yeah, yeah. 947 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,960 Or or he we he would have been indicted and then we lost the 948 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,560 trial. Because once you get indicted, 949 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,200 the chances of like it's it's much harder. 950 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,160 You're not winning an E You were an EDVA, correct? 951 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400 Yeah, which is like. One of the top three soft seats 952 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,880 for government to go bring prosecution. 953 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,400 It's DC. It's EDVA. 954 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,840 It's Southern District of New York. 955 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440 You're losing. Yeah, I mean, you're just like. 956 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,920 I mean, you're. Surrounded by government people. 957 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,880 Yeah, and the jurors are former government people and they're 958 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,120 like, well. Everybody. 959 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,520 And the and the the adage is like, Oh, well, the FBII mean, 960 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,480 if I could give you a penny for every time I've heard the FBI 961 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,240 just doesn't show up at your house if you haven't done 962 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:54,920 something wrong. And I'm like, yes, they do. 963 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,520 I guess they do with Amazon, sun sun. 964 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,840 Like, I just, I mean, I laugh about it now, but it was the 965 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,720 most painful experience. And, you know, and I think, 966 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,680 like, we all have heard, you've heard my story a lot, you know, 967 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,200 and someday my husband will tell his story. 968 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,080 But, like, I can't imagine being my husband. 969 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,400 I can't imagine living through what he survived. 970 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,800 I mean, he was the one who had to think about being taken away 971 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,240 from his four little girls. Yeah, he's got an open invite 972 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,680 here anytime. He's always got, you know, 973 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,080 whatever platform we have is his too. 974 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640 Yeah, he's a he's incredibly strong, incredibly strong. 975 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,640 So are all of the other men that fought, you know, And then and 976 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,440 the other thing is, it's just AI think, you know, I saw yesterday 977 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,080 that Senator Menendez, who's indicted for honest services 978 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,720 fraud, same crime, same crime. He's a Democratic senator. 979 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:44,520 He's been indicted in New Jersey and I think one of the reasons 980 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,480 DOJ indicted him is because they're going after Trump and 981 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,360 they needed to like pretend they're being balanced or 982 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,920 something. I don't like, I I now look at 983 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,080 all of this. I'm like this is a game. 984 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,200 It's a game right, with people's lives. 985 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,280 And he, Senator Menendez was indicted and one of the the the 986 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,000 person who allegedly paid him bribes. 987 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,440 One of those people has pled guilty and people are like, well 988 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,360 now now Menendez is going down. And I'm like I wish people 989 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,480 understood that it is like a game of checkers and that a lot 990 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,320 of people plead guilty even though they believe they 991 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,520 committed no crime. Because if it's like a group of 992 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,800 people being accused, the prosecutors will be like, well 993 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,800 if you plead guilty you'll get you'll get the best deal, right. 994 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,200 We'll we'll we'll send you to prison. 995 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960 We won't send you to prison or you know you won't have to 996 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,440 forfeit millions of dollars or you know it's it's a game. 997 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,320 Right. And, like, and they make things 998 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,520 up. And I I there's, you know, lots 999 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,640 happened that I can't say publicly yet, but I can say 1000 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,480 publicly that I received a phone call out of the blue a few weeks 1001 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,200 ago from one of the people central to Amazon's allegations 1002 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,560 that was really revealing about how this process worked and the 1003 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,320 manipulation and the corruption in it. 1004 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,400 And that story will eventually be told. 1005 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,800 But it it it's AI think there's a lot of coercive plea 1006 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,360 bargaining. And a lot of people are in 1007 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,280 prison because, you know, they just get stuck in this game, 1008 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,840 like the simulation, this video game. 1009 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,880 You used to have utter faith in the government being the 1010 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,840 solution for this stuff. You've obviously moved from 1011 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,200 there. Where? 1012 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,160 Where has it taken you? I mean, where has it taken me 1013 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,880 like? Well, I can say it's taken me 1014 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,480 into my family and my faith a lot more and that like that is 1015 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,160 what I hold to be hold dear and like know that there's the most 1016 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,560 solid foundation in all of that. But I just like, I'm very 1017 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,920 skeptical of the government of both parties, of the of the 1018 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,240 entire government because I think that it exists to protect 1019 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:36,600 power not to protect its people. And we have just lost our way. 1020 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,080 It's. Like an ice cream cone, right? 1021 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,440 It it has a tongue and it has ice cream, so it licks. 1022 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,160 And it gives you I, I look at through our our, our history of 1023 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,240 a different lens. Like I look at Ruby Ridge. 1024 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,920 I grew up not knowing a lot about Ruby Ridge but thinking 1025 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,040 that Randy Reaver Weaver was like some cuckoo guy right out 1026 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,400 out there in the woods who got his wife killed. 1027 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,120 Well, that's not true. Like, I mean that's a hot like, 1028 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,920 that's not true. And it's shocking to me. 1029 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,920 Like the narratives that we're told like Randy Weaver was a guy 1030 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,640 minding his own business and like you know like the whole 1031 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,120 sawed off shotgun all, it's just dumb. 1032 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,760 Like people lost their lives over this dumb thing when like 1033 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,480 why can't Randy Weaver just live his life? 1034 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,680 Why can't his family live off grid? 1035 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,800 Why can't they, you know? Who's he a threat to having a 1036 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,680 shotgun that's three inches shorter, by the way? 1037 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,080 Nobody. And I'm pretty sure they're not 1038 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,040 going into Chicago and the city and having standoffs with all 1039 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,320 the people there with illegal guns. 1040 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,160 You know that listening to you say that in my head, I've got 1041 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,520 that picture of God. Who is it? 1042 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,080 It's it's a. It's like a a GIF or a GIF. 1043 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,120 Yeah, I get a. GIF and it and it's oh who's 1044 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,160 who's the guy that's in that that now I'm doing my wife's 1045 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,480 thing where I can't remember the name I I hate this by the way 1046 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,800 he's he's going like he's going like yes. 1047 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,920 Yeah. I should say it's like what is 1048 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,800 that guy's name who he was in Good as it gets. 1049 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,760 You know what I'm talking about. Anyway, I heard. 1050 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,200 You're talking about I can't remember who that. 1051 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,200 It it's a famous actor just going like yes, you're red. 1052 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:03,880 Yes, it's Nicholson. Yeah. 1053 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,280 Yeah. And he's doing his classic thing 1054 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,960 where he's like, yeah, he's like look all crazy and and it's like 1055 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,040 you're coming down the rabbit hole where all the the red 1056 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,720 pillars are. I know, but but I don't think 1057 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,800 you and I end up in the same place where a lot of people do. 1058 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,160 Yeah, my. Answer isn't go ahead. 1059 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,120 I want to know your answer where do? 1060 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,000 You end up people you want to do in. 1061 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,080 The place that I stand right now is turn back to all the people I 1062 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,680 was aligned with before and say you're being lied to. 1063 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,200 And it doesn't mean you have to go be in a different political 1064 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,400 party. It doesn't mean you don't have 1065 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,760 to, like, kind of let go of your core beliefs about the world and 1066 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,520 what you think is right. But like, you're being lied to. 1067 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,600 Stop just swallowing it because it's bullshit. 1068 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,320 And like you, you play into it. You give them more and more and 1069 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,640 more power. It's like nobody on the left 1070 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,240 will look at January 6th, even to the point, if you're talking 1071 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:59,880 about protesters who stood outside the Capitol, who did not 1072 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,280 go in, who did not walk into the Capitol, who were there because 1073 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,200 they supported Trump, because they had questions, you know, 1074 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,320 which is like, that's what that's what our country 1075 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,440 encourages, right? Like. 1076 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,440 That's literally the protected speech that we have. 1077 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,200 Right. And so and and and you can't 1078 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,000 engage with a lot of people on that question of like why are 1079 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,760 these people being put in federal prison for years. 1080 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,480 And and like they're just like, Nope, not having that 1081 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,720 conversation. Like the narrative is that like, 1082 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,720 these people are evil and they're bad and they're trying 1083 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:33,200 to overthrow the government in a revolution, which is like were 1084 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,320 they like, you know it's like and but like no. 1085 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,680 Like, you know it's like you're like what? 1086 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,120 And so you know, I just like and I'm, I'm talking about people 1087 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,880 outside the capital, right. Like, I'm not going to like walk 1088 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,360 into the minefield, but I'm just talking to people. 1089 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,680 Like, anyway, it's just it's you can't have a conversation with 1090 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,280 people because they're just like these are the media narratives 1091 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000 and I'm going to accept them and I'm going to give this power and 1092 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000 it takes away all the power that we have as people. 1093 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,440 Take take this one for a second Ready Randy Weaver. 1094 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040 I'll I I agree with you. Not a problem in the way that, 1095 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,840 you know, he's been villainized on one side, he's been lionized 1096 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,080 on the other side. He may have been white 1097 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,400 supremacist, by the way. I don't know. 1098 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,960 I know he was a I. Don't even know. 1099 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,960 But like, that was a claim lawyer and my I was the 1st 1100 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,960 Amendment lawyer and the guy that I went to work for Floyd 1101 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,720 Abrams, like a lion of the 1st Amendment the first day I went 1102 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,960 to work for him, he said. Here's the thing I got to know, 1103 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,360 are you going to be willing to defend the KK KS voice as much 1104 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,480 as you are? The ACL use? 1105 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,680 It's like 'cause if you can't, you can't work for me. 1106 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,760 Yep, that's AOG liberal position that is currently a white ring, 1107 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,760 a right wing extremist position now allegedly because our 1108 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,920 Overton window has shifted so dramatically in those years, in 1109 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,120 your career, in your career time as a professional. 1110 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,760 Yeah. Like we're talking about as 1111 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,560 adults, Yeah. And it, yeah, it's just it's so 1112 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,000 disturbing. So hear me out though. 1113 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,840 If we agree that Amy Nelsey Nelson Amy Nelson and Co Nelson 1114 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,520 family was unjustly persecuted and prosecuted by DOJ because of 1115 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,520 corporatism, because of oligarchy, because of all these 1116 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,240 evil things and you say those are not legit prosecutions. 1117 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,040 And then I also go Bob Menendez has been hounded by DOJ. 1118 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,720 Is he corrupt? Maybe, I don't know. 1119 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,040 I also don't trust where that where that allegation comes 1120 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,880 from. Now he might be very corrupt. 1121 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,480 That's real possible people having gold bars and jackets. 1122 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,560 That's kind of weird. I can. 1123 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,800 I can say that in my experience, I don't know anybody that does 1124 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,160 that. That doesn't mean that you're 1125 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,560 wrong. You're allowed to put gold bars 1126 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,000 and jackets. Yeah, you're allowed to. 1127 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,880 There's all kinds of weird things that I do. 1128 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,320 I stash guns all over my house. There's places that are safe 1129 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,800 that I know about. That's my thing. 1130 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,400 Other people think that might be crazy. 1131 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,120 It turns out, America, you're allowed to do that. 1132 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,240 So if you're going to undermine, and this is the problem, we this 1133 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,840 is the 0 sum game, This is the no piece of the pie to share 1134 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,000 thing that I think that you and I both see very clearly. 1135 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,240 Just because we want to agree with it doesn't mean that it's 1136 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,320 true. And just if you're going to say 1137 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,200 that DOJ does illegitimate things, all of it should be in 1138 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,840 question. If you're going to say that drug 1139 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,160 convictions are evil and there's mass incarceration, which I 1140 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,120 don't know if you sit there anymore or not, but let's say 1141 00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,320 that that's the case that you hold. 1142 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,160 If you say the federal government comes in and wrongly 1143 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,600 goes after a bunch of black people and says and throws them 1144 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,520 in prison and uses all the apparatus to crush these people 1145 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,760 who have no money, you can't turn around and say, but it's 1146 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,880 also really good at getting these really evil Trump 1147 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,400 protesters. You got to just say that if it's 1148 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,480 evil, it's evil and all of it is suspect. 1149 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,840 And then we take them case by case. 1150 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,440 And that's what I that's where I stand, right? 1151 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,080 Like all of the people. And like we need to, like we 1152 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,240 need to question everything. Like what I I started down this 1153 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:27,920 path and stopped. But like, one thing I like that 1154 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,600 Vivek Ramaswamy had suggested was that we dismantle the FBI 1155 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,920 and then we put those agents into other agencies where they 1156 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,880 would fit, right? Like if it's financial crimes, 1157 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,640 have the SEC deal with that or the Department of Treasury. 1158 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,920 If it's, you know, like if it's the border, like if it's the 1159 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,920 Homeland Security, I mean, we have the whole Homeland Security 1160 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,960 have them do. I hate Homeland Security. 1161 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,080 I hope that I do. I do too. 1162 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,400 I think it's ridiculous but like, but I think it's an 1163 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,360 interesting proposition right of like you know take it out of the 1164 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,160 of the put put it in other agencies that already exist. 1165 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,040 But I mean listen I do. I do stand. 1166 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,480 You know I now think that everything the DOJ does is 1167 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,120 suspect. I don't, you know, I, I and I 1168 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,240 look at like, look what they did in our case where Amazon walked 1169 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,200 in, was able to get all these meetings and try to put all 1170 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,960 these people in prison. They destroyed businesses, 1171 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,920 destroyed families. And then the Olympic gymnasts go 1172 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,800 in and like dozens of them and say Larry Nasser raped us and 1173 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,120 they're like and the FBI is like, eh, because do children 1174 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,120 and women matter? No property matters. 1175 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,720 Property and billionaires matter. 1176 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,960 Do you know the worst thing is that the special agent in charge 1177 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,040 of that field office, who supposedly personally was going 1178 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,160 to handle it, ended up getting a job with US Olympic Committee. 1179 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,320 Which is exactly how it works. I know that. 1180 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,560 And I was like, I'm surprised. I don't know if you've watched 1181 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,600 Dopesick or like, it's about the opioid epidemic. 1182 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,320 And the guy, this isn't just DOJ, right? 1183 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,720 The guy at the FDA who ended up, like, approving this very 1184 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:53,720 bizarre pain designation for Sackler's drugs. 1185 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,720 He went and worked for Purdue Pharma. 1186 00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:59,360 For the Sacklers. Like, you know, it's like he 1187 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,560 left and wouldn't work for them. Like it's just on. 1188 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,280 The surface dumb. You don't even have to go 1189 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,360 digging, you can just pick them up off the top of the the 1190 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,160 ground. Well, and this is the point, 1191 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,640 like at the end of the day, where I am too with DOJ is, is 1192 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,440 this. And I will stand on this hill 1193 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,400 for the rest of my life. The Department of Justice is 1194 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,840 fully aware that it was lied to by Amazon's lawyers. 1195 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,600 Whether that falls on the feet of Gibson Dunn or Amazon's 1196 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,480 lawyers, you see Omar, Matt Jordan, Dennis Wallace, I don't 1197 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,200 know. I don't care. 1198 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,640 I don't know who lied. Someone lied. 1199 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,560 The Department of Justice knows this. 1200 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,040 The federal judges know this. This is true, and nobody at the 1201 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,480 DOJ will do one single thing to hold accountable the people that 1202 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,640 lied to it, that forced it to waste hundreds of thousands of 1203 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,600 taxpayer hours in dollars that made a mockery of the system. 1204 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,400 No one will hold them accountable. 1205 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,400 And if that's and. There's no one who can. 1206 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,000 But it's like, but I believe someone at DOJ could say we 1207 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,720 should there are crimes, they could be charged. 1208 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,800 With yeah, of course. But they're not. 1209 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,280 What I'm saying is there's no one outside of DOJ that actually 1210 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,400 has oversight on it. So it's the old who watches the 1211 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,840 watchers argument There's no one that can do it. 1212 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,320 There's no independence. You know, this is the this is 1213 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,320 the insane impotency and and that that that rage scream that 1214 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,200 people have and I see on the political left too. 1215 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,040 Look, there's a lot of injustice in the world and we hate it, But 1216 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,960 there's no easy answer to it and it's not use the like well, we 1217 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,600 just need to capture the government and use it for our 1218 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,240 weaponized purpose. That's the opposite of what 1219 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,680 Americans do well. I know. 1220 00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:28,960 And people are like, well, people like my family's story, a 1221 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,520 lot of people will be like, well, we don't care about these 1222 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,200 rich people problems. Like, first of all, my husband 1223 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,720 and I worked very hard. We paid our way through like we 1224 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,320 were lucky enough to have our parents pay for college. 1225 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,400 We both paid for grad school. We worked incredibly hard. 1226 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,560 We built great careers. They were taken from us. 1227 00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,120 And we haven't worked our way back through scratch and claw 1228 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,320 and we're like that. But like, here's what I say. 1229 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,920 Don't care about the problems. You know, that that people in 1230 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,760 the upper middle class have. But what I'll tell you is this 1231 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,880 Civil forfeiture, which was a big part of our problem, 1232 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,240 primarily impacts people that don't look like me. 1233 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,480 It impacts black people, brown people, immigrants. 1234 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,160 And so, like, if you want to change that, you should really 1235 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,840 amplify my story, right? Because this is a great and easy 1236 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,400 story to understand about the abuse of civil forfeiture. 1237 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,680 But like, nobody wants, nobody wants to do it because it's 1238 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,880 terrifying to them. I've been told by reporters that 1239 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,440 the reason, one of the reasons our story hasn't been like on 1240 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,800 the front page of a lot of newspapers is because it's so 1241 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,200 clear that DOJ was weaponized. And they don't want to give 1242 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,800 credence to Donald J Trump's arguments that the DOJ can be 1243 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,880 weaponized. And unlike then once again our 1244 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,320 then our media is like the whole thing is dumb. 1245 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,640 They're all our enemy. No, they're all our enemy. 1246 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,560 All right. You open the door for the the 1247 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,800 Trump stuff. I want to talk some of it 1248 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,200 because anybody who watch the podcast know I I actually have 1249 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,680 people comment. In fact today's show they they 1250 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,000 comment. They're like why do you need to 1251 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,200 say that you're he's not your favorite? 1252 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,880 It's like because he's not my favorite and I'm honest and I 1253 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,360 don't care if you don't, if he's your favorite, he's allowed to 1254 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,840 be your favorite. I'm not saying you're wrong. 1255 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,960 You could have an opinion. Guess what? 1256 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,280 And I do. And I'm very opinionated. 1257 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,240 I'm an opinionated guy. I'm super judgy, too. 1258 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:03,360 My wife keeps telling me she is, too. 1259 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,120 That's why we get along. You know, we, we'll just sit out 1260 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,240 there in our front window and watch people. 1261 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,120 Like, what are they doing over there? 1262 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,680 You know, like the classic thing that you get to do when you're 1263 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,640 married. You get to have a partner in 1264 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,960 judging other people. You're nice to them, but you're 1265 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:13,920 like, what are what are they all about? 1266 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,600 Like, why do they make, why do they drive a Tesla? 1267 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,400 Why do they have that stupid Mercedes out there that they've 1268 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,920 already wrecked? You know, that kind of stuff? 1269 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,360 So we see Donald Trump doing his thing. 1270 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,760 I don't think you were a Trump voter in 2016. 1271 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,040 Is that correct? No, I was. 1272 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:26,880 Not OK. I wasn't either. 1273 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,000 But not because I hated Trump. I just. 1274 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,440 I also hated Hillary. I just saw them both. 1275 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,800 And I was like, these people are both awful. 1276 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,640 It made me laugh that he won. I see Donald Trump do that now. 1277 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,040 You've seen the DOJ come after you. 1278 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,360 You've seen DOJ really tip his hand and then also apparently 1279 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,040 cooperate with the state or the you know Fonny Wills prosecution 1280 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,280 out there in Fulton County. You've got Alvin Bragg up in New 1281 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440 York you see two different federal district where he's 1282 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,720 indicted in. Does that change your opinion 1283 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,960 based on what you've had go your whole family go through about 1284 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,240 him as a person or these these cases? 1285 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,920 I think that Trump has been targeted from the minute he won 1286 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,280 by the Department of Justice probably by the ciai mean he's 1287 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,200 been targeted like, right. Like I I think he's been 1288 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,960 targeted and I think that happens to people. 1289 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,360 And it really happened to him. And I I think it's bananas what 1290 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,920 DOJ is doing to Trump right now. I think it was really stupid 1291 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,400 politically for them to do it because it just like added to 1292 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,120 the legend because they just can't comprehend that people 1293 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,000 would really like Trump and a lot of people really do. 1294 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,080 Have you met those people like Trump? 1295 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,880 Yeah, lots of people. I mean, I live in Ohio, like 1296 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,640 half my family is deeply Republican, right? 1297 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,320 Like it always has. Been I'm really saying that is 1298 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,400 because there are people that like Trump and we've met them, 1299 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,360 yeah. Well, I know. 1300 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,440 And people like, like, you're like my friends, some of my 1301 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,480 friends in Seattle and New York, like just can't imagine it. 1302 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,560 And I'm like, well, people like I know a lot of business people 1303 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,800 that love Trump. Like very smart business people 1304 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,560 who love Trump, right? Like, I know tons of people who 1305 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,720 love Trump. And I think, like, it's so 1306 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,400 transparently political what Jack Smith is trying to do. 1307 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,440 When the G, when the DOJ made the argument that they had a 1308 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,800 right to a speedy trial, I was like, OK, we have jumped the 1309 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,040 shark here. The right to a speedy trial is 1310 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,320 the defendant's right in America. 1311 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,800 It has the argument the government. 1312 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,000 Has a right. TOJ has never once argued for a 1313 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,920 speedy trial, ever. When they're prosecuting 1314 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,240 someone, I mean, what? Like, oh, it's mind blowing. 1315 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,720 It's. It's the opposite of the 1316 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,840 technique that the government uses, which that will drag you 1317 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,360 out until you quit. Because we could do this 1318 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:29,720 forever. We're the government. 1319 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:30,720 Right. We. 1320 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,440 Literally make the money that we that we print it. 1321 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,080 You can't. You can't outspend US. 13179 1322 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,040 days investigating my husband right like never charged Donald 1323 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040 Trump like and they I think they waited so long because they were 1324 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,880 hoping he wouldn't run which again I'm like were you paying 1325 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,520 attention are you based in reality or are you based on what 1326 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,680 you want reality to be. He was always running. 1327 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400 He was never not going to run, he. 1328 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,320 Had to re adjudicate 2020 yes that had to be done. 1329 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,400 And even if you are a person that likes the political left I 1330 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,920 don't know how you can look around and go whatever happened 1331 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,880 with COVID whatever you believe about it the wildest thing 1332 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,240 happened in anyone's lifetime in modern history. 1333 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,000 We shut down our economy You now see that the people that was 1334 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,200 like the the 20th surgeon general of the United States. 1335 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,920 I've I've I had him on the show the other I showed pictures in 1336 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,960 the other day Jerome Adams he's wearing a mask in 2024 on a 1337 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,120 plane saying people need to follow my example. 1338 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,640 That dude bought into it and he can't let it go. 1339 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,000 A lot of people got broken by Donald Trump. 1340 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,440 Like I said, you didn't have to like the guy to know that real 1341 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,160 people liked him. A lot of people lost their damn 1342 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,840 minds. A lot of them. 1343 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,200 A lot of people lost their minds. 1344 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,760 I have all my mom will get mad if I talk about COVID. 1345 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,840 But like all I can say is I had a business that was based on 1346 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,440 density right? Like a small business. 1347 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,720 My business model was Co working. 1348 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,240 It was based on how many people you could fit into a space and 1349 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,520 my business was worth $60 million that I built. 60 yeah. 1350 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,680 Yeah. And it was based on and it was 1351 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,240 based on making the most out of space that was commercial real 1352 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,320 estate. So that actually plays off what 1353 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,680 your husband does, I imagine, right? 1354 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,360 Yeah and yeah, and it was just decimated. 1355 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,960 Destroyed And how long? When did you start the Riveter? 1356 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,000 I started the Riveter in May of 2017 and I built it to a company 1357 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,760 worth $60 million in 2 1/2 years. 1358 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,240 While I had two babies, I mean, I worked. 1359 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,360 And let, yeah, let me just, let me ask this, that was super 1360 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,600 easy, right? You didn't have to even do 1361 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,000 anything. It just happens on its own. 1362 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,720 Is that what people think? No how. 1363 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,400 Many How many hours a night did you sleep? 1364 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,720 How? Many. 1365 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,800 Did you sleep ever in that time? No, barely. 1366 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,320 I would sleep like four or five hours a night. 1367 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,400 I mean, I was, I was in it like I at my husband. 1368 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,800 My husband is super amazing. And when I wanted to start this 1369 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,560 company I was going to like start a small business and my 1370 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,880 husband said if you're going to take the bat, Amy, swing it as 1371 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,720 hard as you can. So I went for it and I did it 1372 01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,680 and it was my business was completely destroyed by COVID, 1373 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,320 like my company was for, I guess. 1374 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,560 Fortunate that we got two PPP loans, but like the PPP loans 1375 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,400 were a Band-Aid that they couldn't keep a business built 1376 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,240 on density alive during shutdown orders for years, for years, 1377 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,080 right. And so, you know, I yeah, it was 1378 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,160 just, it was devastating. And then like there were a lot 1379 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,960 of people who made a lot of money off of COVID and like 1380 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,880 that. Isn't it interesting that the 1381 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,760 biggest companies were fine? We had the culling of the small 1382 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,320 upstart, the sort of the yappy dogs that were able to come and 1383 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,720 challenge some of the big dogs. Yeah, yeah. 1384 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,160 That's what happened. I mean it's just and it's just I 1385 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,080 I don't know like all these things and it's just I I read 1386 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,440 something on the Internet the other day that like the CDC is 1387 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,520 like COVID is now like the flu. I'm like, oh, OK, thanks now 1388 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,040 thank you. Like after all, like after all 1389 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,320 of this, like it was, I mean deep breaths. 1390 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,200 But like you know, the then the one of the main problems I think 1391 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,400 is what they did is that when there is a virus that has a very 1392 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,600 high kill rate and it spreads through the world, no one is 1393 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,120 going to listen or trust the government. 1394 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,120 They did. The boy who cried. 1395 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:58,920 Well, we literally learned about this as children. 1396 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,880 They blew it, right? They blew it. 1397 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,240 And so and and my husband's. Because of Donald Trump, I think 1398 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,120 in many ways. I tend to agree with you Kyle, 1399 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,240 on this. Like I think. 1400 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,360 Like as a non, as a non Trump. I'm not a Trump or die guy. 1401 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,400 Everyone knows this about this. I watch the show and like people 1402 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,200 get mad about it, but like I don't have to be. 1403 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,680 I want to be a clear minded person. 1404 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,000 You can objectively see the media lost their mind, The 1405 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,000 intelligence community's lost their mind, The governmental 1406 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160 apparatus lost their mind. The deep state, which is just 1407 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,840 the administrative state, just a bunch of people that know each 1408 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,680 other, that work in government, they lost their minds. 1409 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,840 We need to stop calling it the Deep State because it sounds so 1410 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,080 like conspiracy. Like literally just like the 1411 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,520 guys. The guys that know each other 1412 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,080 that are in charge, like it's like it's the guys that know 1413 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,320 each other during charge, like, right. 1414 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,560 Like it's. It's administrative. 1415 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,920 I I always tell people like everyone. 1416 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,480 When you say Deep State, to me it sounds like a sexy term. 1417 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,200 Like, just not, not in the way that like EG and Carroll says 1418 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:49,640 rape is sexy, which made me want to puke. 1419 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:50,760 That was like the most nauseating thing. 1420 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,200 Like, have you heard that by the way? 1421 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:53,560 I didn't. Hear that? 1422 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,640 Oh, yeah. She was on Anderson Cooper. 1423 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,320 She was a total creep. So that Lady, she said. 1424 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,600 I think people think rape is sexy. 1425 01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,880 And you're like, that's the nasty. 1426 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,880 Like, as someone who's investigated rape crimes and 1427 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,800 treated victims, it makes you want to puke. 1428 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,080 No. But Deep State has sort of, like 1429 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,000 at this, like mysterious kind of like it. 1430 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,760 Like, like dark state, Like, like something fun and 1431 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,280 interesting and mysterious. Like, like my X-Files poster 1432 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,840 behind me. Like there's a bunch of dudes 1433 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,960 that are smoking cigarettes in a room together and they're making 1434 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,120 the plans and they're doing the TV stuff. 1435 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,920 That's not the Deep State. The Deep State is like a dude 1436 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,280 who's got like a a crappy old coffee pot and it's got burnt 1437 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,480 coffee on it. There's a stain on his desk and 1438 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,720 they had government funding for new desks, but somebody else got 1439 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:28,520 it. Who made more money? 1440 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,880 That guy who has fluorescent lighting from the 80s in some 1441 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,360 crappy building that has black mold? 1442 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,480 They're the ones. But they all know each other. 1443 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,560 It's it's Jim Baker from Twitter who's been there since the 90s, 1444 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,200 and DOJ then goes to Twitter and of course he does whatever the 1445 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,800 DOJ says. Like who? 1446 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,880 Who do you think his friends are? 1447 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,000 Who are the people of? Yeah, go ahead. 1448 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,720 Yeah. One thing I noticed the other 1449 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,520 day on LinkedIn is that the new general counsel of Norfolk 1450 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,600 Southern, a train company, former federal prosecutor, you 1451 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,400 know, the train company that derailed former federal 1452 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,240 prosecutor to protect the train company. 1453 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,400 Like, why is a former federal prosecutor the general counsel 1454 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,640 of a train company? Do you have experience in the 1455 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,000 train industry IS? He like a Is he a logistics 1456 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,000 lawyer? No, He was a prosecutor. 1457 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000 Like, no. Nope. 1458 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,280 Right. So anyway, but like, I I here's 1459 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,000 what I here's what I think about Trump and COVID. 1460 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,960 Love it. But for COVID, Trump would have, 1461 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,840 what, been reelected in a landslide. 1462 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,920 I wouldn't have voted for him, but he would at that, you know, 1463 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,920 at that time, for sure. No. 1464 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,840 But, like, he would have been reelected in a landslide. 1465 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,080 A landslide. That is the truth. 1466 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,040 Yeah, they did everything. That much is the truth, right? 1467 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,000 Like he would have been. You don't even have to get into 1468 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,760 contested election theories to know without that insane Black 1469 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,680 Swan out of nowhere event and they pulled out of the chocks 1470 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,600 and the the casualties. And here's the thing. 1471 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,560 The only casualties of getting rid of Trump was everybody who 1472 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,040 was a small business that got decimated. 1473 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,160 And all these people lost their faith in institutions and 1474 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,360 complete destruction of like there's a guy named Amarillo 1475 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,520 Slim. He's a a famous gambler and has 1476 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,920 all this folksy wisdom. And he says you can you can 1477 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,920 shear sheep many times, but you can only skin it. 1478 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,080 Once they skinned the sheep with COVID. 1479 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,400 They did. That's a that's a very good way 1480 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,520 of putting it. I think it's a very, it's just 1481 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,480 like there wasn't even like what you can tell now is there wasn't 1482 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,160 even there was no rational thought of very smart minds of 1483 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,360 like what do we do here? What is the smartest thing to do 1484 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,520 here? And it is like, I oh, man. 1485 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,320 So I, I, you know, I don't want to really get into Israel and 1486 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,080 Gaza. But like I studied national 1487 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,640 security studies in college. Not an expert, but I learned a 1488 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,400 lot about war. And like Israel was attacked by 1489 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,720 a terrorist organization who continues to hold Israeli 1490 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,080 hostages. And Israel's going to do 1491 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,480 everything they can to get them back. 1492 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:41,680 Right. And that's war and people are 1493 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,240 going to die. Lots of people, Right. 1494 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,840 But like Israel did not start this particular act of 1495 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,400 aggression. They did not, you know, like in, 1496 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,960 nor can we stop them if you want. 1497 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,880 Everyone's like Biden needs to call a seize for him like 1498 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,400 Biden's. Not the President of Israel, 1499 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:54,920 anyway. Right. 1500 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,400 Yeah. Israel kind of does it's own 1501 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,640 thing. That's why it's still Israel. 1502 01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,640 Otherwise, there'd be no Israel. So crazy, but but like I bring 1503 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,480 it up to say, you know, it's like when I talk about was 1504 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,600 there, like we cannot have a conversation in America of what 1505 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,960 is the proportionate response when there is a, when there is a 1506 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,160 virus that could kill some people. 1507 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,320 We aren't allowed to have that conversation. 1508 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,880 It's like, no, shut everything down, right. 1509 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,600 Wow. And this is something I'm 1510 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,360 passionate about, like we have here in Ohio, we have, like in 1511 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,280 Columbus, OH, we have the highest rate of maternal 1512 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,840 mortality in the country. You know, for certain 1513 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,560 populations. Like, no one gives a shit. 1514 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,120 Like, no one's like, oh, stop everything. 1515 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,440 How do we save these babies and these moms, right? 1516 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,840 But like, in this instance, we just shut everything down to 1517 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,880 save. I don't know. 1518 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,920 Like I don't think we did the proper analysis. 1519 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,160 It's, I always say that there's a lot of first order thinking, 1520 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,040 which is like how do we stop this thing in front of us. 1521 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,400 But there's no second and third order thinking like what are the 1522 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,400 effects of that downstream? That seems like a very OK, I'm 1523 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:53,520 going to, I'm going to get into this. 1524 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,240 This is good. I have a female on to to talk 1525 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,000 about it. There's a male instinct towards 1526 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,640 rationality that says, OK, yes, that's really important. 1527 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,280 But also can we look at the following effects? 1528 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,240 There's a sort of rationality which we kind of attribute to 1529 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,120 the male side. There's an emotionality which we 1530 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,000 need both. I I would not argue that either 1531 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,920 one is superior. There's an emotionality that 1532 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,600 says but but don't you feel terrible that this is happening 1533 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,279 And those two things in a marriage work really well as a 1534 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:18,439 balance. My wife will come to me and say 1535 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,560 we should give money to this cause and I go why this cause 1536 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,120 and not other causes? Is there a better way to give 1537 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,479 the money is just giving it directly to the person versus 1538 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,319 giving it to a family? Like are there better ways to 1539 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,160 accomplish this and we temper each other out. 1540 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,840 We make a good decision based on the feeling and then also the 1541 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,680 sort of the thought and sort of that that cold, you know, 1542 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,600 evaluation, analysis, that's how it's supposed to actually work 1543 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,680 for a lot of stuff. I see the left as being a very 1544 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,200 feminine version that that emotional driven, there's a lot 1545 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,319 of energy. There's a lot of activity, 1546 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,080 there's this is so bad. But when I look at things like 1547 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,399 that and then I compare it, you just said Israel, I can do the 1548 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,840 same thing with opioid deaths. We can do the same thing with 1549 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,960 gun deaths. Do you care about Chicago? 1550 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,840 That seems like a real problem. Why do you care about my AR15? 1551 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,439 Who cares? It's never hurt anybody. 1552 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,359 And by the way, kids aren't dying from AR15 wounds. 1553 01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:08,520 They aren't getting shot with two 2-3 and five 5-6. 1554 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,120 They're dying from like 9mm and 22 and three 80s and other crap 1555 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,200 guns that are out there in the world. 1556 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,520 That's who's dying. So why don't we handle effects 1557 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,160 in the order with? How about medical malpractice? 1558 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,040 Kills more than all those things, by the way, like like 1559 01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,760 500,000 people die from that. Are we allowed to talk about 1560 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,840 that? Or heart disease kills more 1561 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,200 people because of bad lifestyle. And you know, we used to call it 1562 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,840 the trifecta in in emergency medicine, if you are 1563 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,760 hypertensive, high blood pressure, if you are morbidly 1564 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,520 obese. Right. 1565 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:38,880 And then what? What is the third one? 1566 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,720 Overweight, hypertensive and then diabetes? 1567 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,120 Yeah. So like, yeah, you're, it's all 1568 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,479 dietary. They're all lifestyle choices. 1569 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,800 Like we don't talk about that. No, we don't. 1570 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,720 Nor do we talk about like the the food industry in America and 1571 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,880 the Pharmaceutical industry in America that want us to be sick. 1572 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,240 Yeah, I know. Like we had the worst outcomes 1573 01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,880 for COVID and we have the most money and most medicine. 1574 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,680 How much sense does that make? It doesn't make any sense, 1575 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,560 right. And it's like in yeah it's we 1576 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,360 have. I think it I personally think it 1577 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,960 all goes back to what I talked about at the beginning of this 1578 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,840 pay to play government right of like the government serving the 1579 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,320 interests of the biggest companies and the and the 1580 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,200 wealthiest people and what they want and what they need and 1581 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,440 maximizing shareholder value. And they kind of do everything 1582 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:23,200 along those those ways. Like when the NRA was very 1583 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,880 powerful you know it had a had a very, very powerful influence in 1584 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,160 DC and like listen my my husband is a gun owner right. 1585 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,920 Like I you know I I believe in responsible gun ownership and 1586 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,840 and but like it's it's the lobbies right. 1587 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,720 It's it's just a lot like the Pharmaceutical industry. 1588 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,960 Like how much did they get away with right? 1589 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,080 And like how much money did they make off of COVID? 1590 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,960 And what what I say to people too is like, you can't tell me 1591 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,560 it's not pay to play when this is true. 1592 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,600 It's like think about Amazon. They give equally to Democrats 1593 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,440 and Republicans. They don't. 1594 01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,560 They have no ideology, like they don't care. 1595 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,640 They just want power in more government. 1596 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,800 Contracts, which equals winning. Yeah. 1597 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,600 And so all of these things, yeah. 1598 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,920 I I feel like there's an American position in the middle 1599 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,960 there. I don't know what that party is 1600 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,840 called like. I call it conservative lower 1601 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,600 case CI. Call it because I do want the 1602 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,480 things that are traditionally in this country. 1603 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,040 I'm not mad at liberals. I'm not mad at people that 1604 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,040 disagree with, like where we should spend our money. 1605 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,680 Like, we could have that debate like you're not going to hurt my 1606 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,600 feelings. You and I could. 1607 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,400 We probably don't agree on a ton of things like that are in the 1608 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:25,160 social sphere all the time, but we wouldn't be mad at each 1609 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:26,920 other. Like I'm not mad at you ever. 1610 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,080 Yeah, I mean it's like I, you know, I will, I will say and 1611 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,400 like this probably like won't resonate very well with this, 1612 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,480 you know, with this community. But like, one of the reasons 1613 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,880 that I was a progressive and had that line in the sand most of my 1614 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,200 life was to be productive rights. 1615 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,840 You know, and it's like, I believe, like, I don't want to 1616 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,920 go have an abortion, but I believe it's a medical issue. 1617 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:44,720 Right. And I didn't. 1618 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,600 I don't want people to, I just don't want people to vote on it. 1619 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,400 That's my position on abortion. I don't want it to be a 1620 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:49,760 political issue. I don't want people to vote on 1621 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,760 it. Like if you were vehemently 1622 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,200 against it, I completely respect that and let you know what I 1623 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,280 mean. But it's like and of course, 1624 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,800 like, I don't think there should be any abortions after 1625 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,360 viability, all these things. But point being, right, like I 1626 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,480 had this line in the sand. But like, I now look at that and 1627 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:09,040 I'm like, well, OK, then I need to not have that happen to my 1628 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,720 family if I care this way or like or if I didn't care, you 1629 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,520 know, let it happen. But like not have that be the 1630 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,640 one thing that I vote on all the time, right? 1631 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,320 Because then you're you let go of everything else and I think. 1632 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,920 Failure to have that ideological consistency across the board is 1633 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,560 really, really hard. And yeah you and I disagree on 1634 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,200 abortion and that's OK like we're we don't have to be mad at 1635 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,400 each other. I don't want bad things to 1636 01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,400 happen to you because of it. I want good things to happen and 1637 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,920 then I want to change your heart at some point or and and as you 1638 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,800 just said you don't actually believe in it personally for 1639 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,040 yourself. You believe it for other people. 1640 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,720 That's such a an interesting sort of thing. 1641 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,560 We can do a whole podcast on the number of people that have taken 1642 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:47,000 on the banner of other people's problem and hey, that's a real 1643 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,400 discussion to have. We could have that. 1644 01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,080 Yeah, And that's what people do. They could do that want is like 1645 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,480 safe reproductive choices, right? 1646 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:57,080 Like where, like people aren't getting pregnant when they don't 1647 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,640 want to. That's ultimately what everybody 1648 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,040 wants, right? Like you want people who don't 1649 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,920 like. OK, so you and I would agree 1650 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,160 that if we could go upstream that we didn't have unwanted 1651 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,440 pregnancies, whatever that is more personal responsibility, 1652 01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:10,080 better choice, we would agree on that A. 100 like both and that's 1653 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,280 the thing it's like. Everybody would. 1654 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,600 That's where you get, that's get there, right? 1655 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,720 Like get to that point, right. So you know, that's the. 1656 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,840 The problem is, is what we've seen is that people have gone 1657 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,840 downstream to it to the point where it's shout your abortion, 1658 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,200 celebrate it like a sacrament, do all this ugly stuff. 1659 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,160 And people have good, good conscious and good faith like 1660 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:29,360 they shouldn't want that. That's not a good position to 1661 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,840 stake out. Hence the safe, legal and rare. 1662 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,240 I think you're probably still in that category. 1663 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,280 Yeah, safe, legal, and rare. It's a Hillary Clinton position, 1664 01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,480 right? Like it's the, but you know the. 1665 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,280 Clans used to be like the clans today would be right wing 1666 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,240 extremists. So I think that is true. 1667 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,640 I think about that a lot, right? Like I I do think about. 1668 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,360 That that's crazy. Yeah. 1669 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,880 And they were. They were like, they were the 1670 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,240 evil evil. But like, remember when Bill 1671 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,240 Clinton was president? Nobody. 1672 01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,040 Like they were like, he's like doing bad things in the White 1673 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,560 House is, but the economy's good. 1674 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,240 Like the policies aren't terrible. 1675 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,760 We didn't have that much contention. 1676 01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,520 And see, here's the thing like going back to Trump that people 1677 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,120 like, when I think about like whether Trump will win like 1678 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,640 Trump, yes, I think Trump will win. 1679 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,600 And the reason is because people ask the one question that 1680 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,080 matters in every election. Am I better off today than I was 1681 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,560 four years ago? And most Americans right now 1682 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,840 will say no. The Uber wealthy will say hell 1683 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,920 yes for killing it. But like the most Americans 1684 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,600 aren't. They've marginalized people that 1685 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,360 are even on the fringe, the theoretical people that they're 1686 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,440 even if you're like a like a a bleeding heart type who's full 1687 01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:28,720 of compassion, like you're hurting the poorest people in 1688 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,080 America by bringing in more people that are poor at the 1689 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,800 border, that seems to be very salient. 1690 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,760 Like, that's just obvious. Cesar Chavez used to fight 1691 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,200 against illegal immigration like he's he's looking damn 1692 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,520 communists. I dug into the border thing 1693 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,600 recently because I was like, you know, I always ask myself and 1694 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,520 like, is this like, because what I'll read is like, the right 1695 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,560 wing's going crazy over this. Is this really a thing? 1696 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,840 And I was looking at it and I'm like, wow, what is happening? 1697 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,360 And like, I believe in like, more legal pathways to 1698 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,200 immigration because immigrants in America will, you know, have 1699 01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,560 in the past 100 years have started some of those valuable 1700 01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,840 companies are the most valuable innovations, right? 1701 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,200 Like, we need more illegal immigration in America, less red 1702 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,800 tape, less bureaucracy. It's like, impossible. 1703 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,560 But like, what the hell is happening? 1704 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,200 What is happening at the border? Like, what is happening? 1705 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,720 Like, I don't even understand. It's called. 1706 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,160 Clower Piven. Are you familiar with that 1707 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,360 strategy? What? 1708 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,680 Cloward, Piven, that's what we're talking about. 1709 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,920 They overwhelm the resources. You got to bring in the federal 1710 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,520 solution to it, and that's almost always the worst. 1711 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,800 And honestly, the the the closest that the government is 1712 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,040 to you, the more accountable it is to you. 1713 01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,560 And so even people that want more government should want it 1714 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,040 closer to them. So that at least responds to 1715 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,400 them. The federal government doesn't 1716 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,080 care when you scream. They don't care about crushing 1717 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,440 you, as you found out. They really don't. 1718 01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:36,680 They don't care. I think about it all the time. 1719 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,800 I'm like do like The thing is Kyle, is that ultimately I'm not 1720 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,720 100% sure why like someone at the DOJ was like we can't do 1721 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,960 this and not only can like we not keep going forward, we have 1722 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,960 to unwind what we did which as you know. 1723 01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,320 It's so hard to be somebody. At some point you have to 1724 01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:01,680 realize, like, where are we right now? 1725 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,400 I think I I think I know who it was and I'll say it out loud to 1726 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:06,680 applaud him. If it is this person. 1727 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,240 I think this AUSA, he's been in AUSA his whole life. 1728 01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,960 His name is Russell Carl Berg, and like I think it, I think it 1729 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,520 was him. Was he like, was he recently 1730 01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,440 brought on to the to the? That's why if you step, here's 1731 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,160 the thing. And I think he asked. 1732 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:24,600 Like the I think he asked basic questions about Amazon 1733 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:25,920 validation. It was like, brief. 1734 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,320 Me on this case. And. 1735 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,080 Then when the answers are like, we don't know why we did that, 1736 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,040 like, do you have this information? 1737 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,160 Where'd that come from? They gave it to us. 1738 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,640 What about this? They gave us that, too. 1739 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,040 When that starts happening, I I see this the same way that that 1740 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,800 this recent Supreme Court decision comes down. 1741 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,760 It's 90 Trump. Not because Katanji Jackson 1742 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,160 Browne thinks that Trump is a good guy. 1743 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,440 I think she probably despises him. 1744 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,400 I don't like what she has to say. 1745 01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,760 She seems foolish about a lot of stuff, but like, that doesn't 1746 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,320 matter. The fact of the matter is that 1747 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,640 the legitimacy of your operation is in question when you do 1748 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,440 batshit crazy things. They try to pull him off a 1749 01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:58,680 ballot without a criminal prosecution. 1750 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,040 By the way, we have that statue. You can charge him with that 1751 01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,680 stuff. Yeah, they don't do. 1752 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:05,920 Listen, I agree with you. And the one thing I will say 1753 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,560 about Justice Brown is that she's a former public defender. 1754 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,440 And I think it is so important to have a voice on the court 1755 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:17,440 that was not a prosecutor because like in federal courts 1756 01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:20,760 at the district level, some insane percentage of District 1757 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,800 Court judges are former federal prosecutors. 1758 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,760 Like they just believe anything the government says, right? 1759 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,400 And so I'm glad that we have that counter. 1760 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:28,280 I don't. I don't hate it. 1761 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:30,040 I don't. Like I said, there's a yin and a 1762 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:31,920 gang. There's balance everywhere that. 1763 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,120 It doesn't matter what you're talking about. 1764 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,840 The Force. There's there's good and there's 1765 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,960 evil. There's dark and there's light. 1766 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,600 There's always a balance. And if without one we just have 1767 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,360 either, I guess we have just utopia, which doesn't exist. 1768 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,520 That's nowhere, right? We know that. 1769 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,240 That's what the word means. So if you don't have utopia, 1770 01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,040 then we have this fallen world and it's got to have contrast 1771 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,480 and Shades of Grey and all the other things. 1772 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,080 Like let's disagree, let's have good faith, let's all have the 1773 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,880 sort of let's have that same common values. 1774 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,640 I don't know if Katanji Brown has the same values, American 1775 01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,080 values. I do. 1776 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,760 But I wouldn't put it past her to have them. 1777 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,560 I don't think she doesn't know what a woman is. 1778 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:03,960 I think that was a political posture. 1779 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,200 I think she knows what a woman is. 1780 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,200 I forgot about that She She. You can't be. 1781 01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,440 You can't be the first black female and not know what a 1782 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,400 female is. Well, maybe she's just like, I'm 1783 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,400 not stepping in this minefield, because that is, that is a 1784 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,360 dangerous thing, I think, where we are in America. 1785 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,640 We're doing loyalty tests. I mean, I have had a lot of 1786 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,720 people, 'cause, you know, I've been very publicly very 1787 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,320 progressive my whole life. And like, the first time when I 1788 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,080 went on Glenn Beck or when I went on Tucker Carlson, like, I 1789 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,680 lost business, right? And people are like, how could 1790 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,680 you do this? I'm like, first of all, like, 1791 01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,800 how does me going on with Glenn Beck mean that? 1792 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,240 I identify with everything that Glenn stands for, which, like 1793 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:41,800 some of it I do, some of it I don't, Right. 1794 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,200 He's a journalist, right? Like, yes, he's an, he's an 1795 01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,840 opinionated journalist. Like, he brings an opinion. 1796 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,720 That's what he does, right? First of all, every journalist 1797 01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,160 does FYI. And to think they don't is just 1798 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,720 like a farce. But, like also, But I also say 1799 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,680 to them, like I'm, you know, Glenn is willing to hear my 1800 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,920 story and so is Tucker. And the thing I say to people 1801 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,440 now, like, isn't it interesting to you that you think these guys 1802 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:08,000 are conspiracy theorists? I was right. 1803 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,320 DOJ said I was right. And they were the only 1804 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,960 journalists, you know, because you were not a journalist at the 1805 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,080 beginning when I started this. But like, no. 1806 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,640 But like that, that had me out. That had me on. 1807 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,320 You go where the where the microphone is. 1808 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,880 If you need to tell your story and people need to get, you 1809 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,520 can't do it by yourself. Fighting for your family. 1810 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,120 Would you be like, sorry, little girls, sorry my daughters. 1811 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,800 I couldn't go on Tucker Carlson. So daddy went to prison like, 1812 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,200 I'm not doing that. No. 1813 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,640 And I think that, listen, I agree with some of what Tucker 1814 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,800 says. I disagree with some of what he 1815 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,640 says. But I think it's super important 1816 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,320 to have voices like Tucker Carlson out there questioning 1817 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,560 the status quo question, making people question, you know, 1818 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,720 everything. Because I don't think I don't 1819 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,200 see it happening a lot of places anymore, right? 1820 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,520 And like. Skepticism is a very American 1821 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,600 position. I mean, I got into a battle with 1822 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,040 the Seattle Times recently because so the Seattle Times, 1823 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,520 like, barely wrote about what Amazon did to my family, which I 1824 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,560 think is bananas because my husband was like a Seattle 1825 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,320 employee. And there's over a million 1826 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,120 Amazon employees in Seattle and. Awful lot more money coming in 1827 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:08,880 from Amazon to. Seattle. 1828 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,640 But, like, I mean, quite simply, Amazon tried to put my husband 1829 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,160 in prison for something a federal judge said my husband's 1830 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:19,280 employment contract explicitly allowed him to do, and we had to 1831 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,600 spend millions of dollars proving Amazon wrong. 1832 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,720 So weird. Anyway, so Seattle Times, I 1833 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,240 guess it's like, not newsworthy. But they actually said to me 1834 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,280 recently that the last article they wrote about it, they said, 1835 01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,120 well, like, the DOJ vacated these guilty pleas, but Carl 1836 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,840 Nelson could still be charged with a crime. 1837 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,120 And I was like, I just wrote an e-mail. 1838 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,400 I was like, what are you doing? Like, the prosecutor said, 1839 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,040 they're done. They said in a public filing. 1840 01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,440 They said it privately, like, they're done. 1841 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,240 This is over. And they were like, well, we 1842 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:49,440 think that the judge's decision in Amazon civil case made DOJ 1843 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,200 walk away and Amazon's appealing. 1844 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,720 So if Amazon wins, the DOJ could charge your husband. 1845 01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,360 And I was like, so you're you, the Seattle Times. 1846 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,760 Your public position is that you believe Amazon can convince the 1847 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,520 DOJ to charge my husband with a crime through civil litigation. 1848 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:07,960 OK. I mean, at least you're open 1849 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,240 about it. At least you admit it. 1850 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,880 Like, I don't know how many times I've thrown my hands up 1851 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,720 while we've been talking, but I'm realizing I've been throwing 1852 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,800 my hands up a lot because it's so crazy. 1853 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,520 So crazy. It's so crazy. 1854 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,320 But here, here's the upside. I I do think there's an upside 1855 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,520 one. Number one, I'm so thankful that 1856 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,760 prayers have been answered that your family was victorious in 1857 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,120 this. I know that it's still really 1858 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,480 raw because I can see it on your face. 1859 01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:31,720 I can see the emotion there for me if like I, I I know that 1860 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,520 elation often results also in just sort of like meltdown 1861 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,160 moments where you're just like you're like what the hell just 1862 01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,960 happened? Like it's like people that like 1863 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,720 imagine for folks that are not have never felt this. 1864 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,440 Everybody who's ever been in a moment where your car lost grip 1865 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:51,680 with the road, hydroplane or ice, and you're just spinning 1866 01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,400 and you're literally in the hands that are not yours, you're 1867 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,640 not in charge. It's Jesus take the wheel moment 1868 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,000 where it's like I'm flying across the world at a high rate 1869 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,600 of speed. There's an incredible thing at 1870 01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:03,920 stake. It's my children in the car. 1871 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,560 It's the property of the value of the thing that I'm in my own 1872 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,760 safety. And then you stop and you didn't 1873 01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,720 hit a guardrail and you went over like a bunch of stuff, but 1874 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:13,840 like, there's no damage to the car. 1875 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,320 You didn't even, like, pop a tire and you're sitting there in 1876 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,960 the middle of the median or something going like, holy shit, 1877 01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,840 what just happened? And you see and like, all the 1878 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,720 people that drive by you are really slow going like, holy 1879 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,000 shit, like, what just happened to her? 1880 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,040 And everybody can see it. That's the moment that you're in 1881 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,600 right now, I feel like, is that is that the face that I'm 1882 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:31,720 seeing? It's the holy shit. 1883 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,680 You're sitting there in the median and like, the engine's 1884 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,640 still idling. Yeah, and I'm like, did this 1885 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,480 really happen? Did we survive this like that? 1886 01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:40,320 Holy shit. And everybody who's around it 1887 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,120 saw it too. And they're all like, Oh my God, 1888 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,920 yeah. The problem is everybody else 1889 01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,960 just drives to their house and parks and goes like, well, I saw 1890 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,600 that crazy thing today. Yep, back to my normal life. 1891 01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:53,400 Yeah, And you're sitting there like my entire life was almost 1892 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,000 just gone forever. Everything almost just changed. 1893 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,240 I don't know how to pick up the pieces. 1894 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,320 And like, I also still am somebody who seeks justice. 1895 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,240 And like, we're seeking justice, I know. 1896 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:06,120 Yeah, you can't. You can't not be furious. 1897 01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,920 Your life is forever altered. Forever old. 1898 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,480 I mean, my kids, like, Ohio is a wonderful place and we live in 1899 01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:12,960 Ohio now and my kids are growing up here. 1900 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,200 But this is not where I would have selected to raise my 1901 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,640 children. We were raising them in Seattle, 1902 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,320 where we owned a home that we no longer own and own and someone 1903 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:21,560 else is raising their family there. 1904 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,160 Yeah, we worked so hard, you know, And you're just like, 1905 01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,200 it's. Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, even 1906 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,600 though we won, Amazon dictated the terms of my life and they 1907 01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,360 still do, even today. And I'm not. 1908 01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,080 That's not OK. And I can't stand for it. 1909 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,600 I won't. So, and that's the best part 1910 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,800 about it for you. But no matter what, you will 1911 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,120 never be able to go down that same path, with that same 1912 01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,240 carefree attitude, with that same sense of you. 1913 01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,400 You'll never even be able to take risks in the same way. 1914 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,960 No, I mean, it's really like we've talked about leaving the 1915 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:55,280 country and living somewhere else. 1916 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,960 Because I think there's there's a when you realize that at any 1917 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,520 given moment, the federal government can just walk into 1918 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:09,000 your life and take every take everything, it's it's just hard 1919 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,160 to feel safe. It's hard to believe you can 1920 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:12,160 build. It's hard to. 1921 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:14,840 It's hard to believe. Right. 1922 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,600 And so, you know, yeah, we will take risks in different ways. 1923 01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,560 But I but I will say, and I think my husband would say this 1924 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,200 like we'll never let what happened to us define our lives 1925 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,000 forever, right? Like the most important thing 1926 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,240 for us is to make sure that Amazon doesn't do this to anyone 1927 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,640 else and the DOJ doesn't do this to anyone else. 1928 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,760 And So what does that look like? Those are the two questions. 1929 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:31,760 What does what do those look like? 1930 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,720 And then also like I want my daughters more than anyone to be 1931 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,080 compensated, whatever that looks like, because they deserve to be 1932 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:40,600 right? Like it's not a. 1933 01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:44,520 And what a what a People might call it conservative, but it's 1934 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,520 just an American sense. It's a Western civilization 1935 01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,760 sense. Women and children, They're the 1936 01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,160 ones that we're supposed to protect. 1937 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,320 Once you've made babies in the world, your job is to protect 1938 01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:54,400 them. That's your sole purpose. 1939 01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,000 If you have to give your life for it, so be it. 1940 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,760 There's a Western and and men do it over in front of women. 1941 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,920 That's what's always happened. There's nothing wrong with this 1942 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,440 this order of things. Well, and it's like, you know, 1943 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:05,840 it's like people. So you know this Kyle. 1944 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,880 But like 2 years into this, I started a TikTok because I felt 1945 01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,480 like nobody was listening to me and I just like thought TikTok 1946 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:14,040 was a dancing app. But I started watching and I'm 1947 01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,080 like there's some people like talking into their their phones 1948 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,280 and putting videos up. So I started a TikTok and I 1949 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,520 didn't even ask Carl's lawyers. I was like, I'm just doing this, 1950 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,200 and I have 200,000 followers now who watch our story every day. 1951 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,160 And someone asked me, and it's like a lot of, like, legal 1952 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,000 intricacies, but people are interested in it. 1953 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:35,320 And someone asked me why I started the TikTok. 1954 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,400 And the reason I started the TikTok is that inevitably my 1955 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,840 daughters are going to grow up and they're going to Google our 1956 01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,240 family and what happened to us. And all I want is a record that 1957 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,040 they know that I did every single thing I could to fight. 1958 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,720 Because when I started it, I didn't know if their dad was 1959 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,800 going to prison, you know, And like, I was like, I want them to 1960 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,240 know that I I did everything I could to help their dad. 1961 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:57,720 And our memories are not perfect. 1962 01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,200 They're really bad, actually. We're really bad at looking back 1963 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,400 and trying to remember like where I was. 1964 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,200 I I literally like, we're doing this today on March 5th. 1965 01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,440 So, you know, Full disclosure, we'll play this in a week. 1966 01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:14,200 I'm doing this on March 5th and 1-2 years ago today I was 1967 01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,560 allowed to go back into the FBI field office because they 1968 01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,760 changed the mask rules because Joe Biden wanted to have the 1969 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,080 State of the Union and not have like he didn't want to have 1970 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,200 people having to wear masks if they didn't want to and have 1971 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,480 people refuse. So he removed for a political 1972 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:29,160 reason that had nothing to do with me. 1973 01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,560 I was allowed to go back into my office and then my office went 1974 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,480 oh shit, Seraphin's back. What do we do? 1975 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,080 They thought I was gone Amy. I was kicked out from November 1976 01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:43,880 23rd of 2021 until March 4th of 2022. 1977 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,680 Imagine being gone from your job and then nobody calling you and 1978 01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,160 no one asking like what happens. And then like the rules changed 1979 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,040 and I showed up with with no warning. 1980 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,400 I was like, I'm back. I sent an e-mail to my boss and 1981 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,200 said hey, the rules changed, I'm coming to work and he was like, 1982 01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,840 oh, they immediately transferred me to another squad. 1983 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,800 They immediately started taking action against me. 1984 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,560 They immediately were like scrambling because they thought 1985 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,160 they'd accidentally like, they thought they had done the thing 1986 01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:07,840 from office space where they solved the glitch. 1987 01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,120 And I didn't get a pay like I was I was Milton and I wasn't 1988 01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,040 coming back anymore. I was down in the basement and 1989 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,200 like suddenly I just showed back up at my old desk and they're 1990 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,760 like my boss comes in and he goes, well, we've transferred 1991 01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,680 you from this squad to another squad and you are now in a 1992 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,200 national security squad. Even though you don't have to 1993 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,400 read and you can't even do the work, we put you there, so. 1994 01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:26,920 So did you just like, walk? I mean, did you? 1995 01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,280 What did you do? I just. 1996 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,480 Took my I just took my shit and I went to the new desk. 1997 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:31,880 I had everything at home already. 1998 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,440 I already knew this was coming, so I literally set up my new 1999 01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:36,800 desk in a place and then for six weeks I had no work. 2000 01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:39,400 They just sat me there trying to figure out what the hell to do. 2001 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:40,240 Oh. My. 2002 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:41,800 God knowing they've done the wrong thing. 2003 01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,440 But here's the thing that was two years ago that was really 2004 01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:45,720 recent. You're talking about your story 2005 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,880 is 4 years. There are things that happened 2006 01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,280 at the beginning that you can't remember. 2007 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:50,800 Our first interview, that emotion. 2008 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,400 You can't recapture it. Yeah, so your kids get to go 2009 01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,280 back and see that video. As awful as TikTok is and TikTok 2010 01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,560 is awful. For whatever it's worth, it's 2011 01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,160 Chinese spyware, but it's still yeah, it's a. 2012 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,200 Record and the and the other thing is like I'm and I'm really 2013 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,320 lucky for this is because I was an entrepreneur. 2014 01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,640 I talked to journalists a lot and there was an amazing woman 2015 01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,200 named Liz Brody. And then like mid 20/20, she was 2016 01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,520 writing an article about one of my investors and she reached out 2017 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,640 to me on e-mail and we started talking and I was telling her 2018 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,400 about my company, the Riveter, which had been decimated. 2019 01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,640 But we were trying to pivot and the Riveter's still alive today, 2020 01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,000 just does something very different. 2021 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,000 But and Liz at the time said it'll be really interesting if 2022 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,200 you pull off this pivot. Maybe we should like talk every 2023 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,280 three weeks or so and I can record it and then maybe there's 2024 01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:33,120 an article down the road. So I have and about like two 2025 01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,120 months into it, I was like, so there's this thing I haven't 2026 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,200 told you about that's going on in my life. 2027 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,920 And I started telling her all about the Amazon stuff. 2028 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,920 And so we had. Liz has years of recordings of 2029 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,120 me at the moment. Contemporaneous recordings of 2030 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,760 your emotional state and. I actually can't listen to them. 2031 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,200 I can read the transcripts, but I can't listen to them still all 2032 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:55,960 these years later, I still can't listen to them because I'm like, 2033 01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,480 that woman was in so much pain and I just want to hug her and 2034 01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:02,520 it's, you know, me, Me. Yeah, me. 2035 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,000 It's you looking back yourself, going like I came out the other 2036 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,040 end of this thing. Like I said, nobody else was in 2037 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:09,960 the car with you. Nobody else felt what that free 2038 01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,560 fall was, just you and your husband and your kids. 2039 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,960 Nobody knows what sort of damage was done and then they're going 2040 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,440 to see the success, which is what you got, but it's, it 2041 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,560 leaves a mark, you know? It really does. 2042 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,600 It really. I mean, you've been through a 2043 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:26,800 lot. Like you lost the career that 2044 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,480 you loved and like you've built something amazing in its place. 2045 01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:31,880 But it's different. And like, you know, it's. 2046 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,240 Totally different. It's not even close. 2047 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,680 And here's the other thing, like, I don't know how, I don't 2048 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,040 know how this goes because this is, this is uncharted territory 2049 01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,520 too. You, you guys, at least I see 2050 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,480 what happened with you guys as sort of vindicating. 2051 01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,360 I'm hoping that they took that they did the same thing that 2052 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,200 they took their ball and they went home and they're not going 2053 01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,560 to come after me the same way that they but I still could go 2054 01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,760 back and to start from your square one of the the door gets 2055 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,800 kicked open. I know I. 2056 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,400 Know I don't worry about it as much anymore. 2057 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,080 I feel like. I feel like we're on the swing. 2058 01:29:58,280 --> 01:29:59,840 I feel like good is winning for now. 2059 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,120 Do you have that instinct? I do. 2060 01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:04,880 I do. And I also think, like, I mean, 2061 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,120 I think that Trump will win. And I think it'll be really 2062 01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,200 interesting to see what happens with the DOJ when Trump wins. 2063 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:16,160 He's got it, got it right. I mean, he says he's going to I 2064 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:22,600 I I hope if he wins, I hope he does the things, some of the 2065 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,840 things he says he'll do in terms of like reforming the 2066 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,440 government. So you know. 2067 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,080 You know, my my, my buddy Steve friend and I talk about the best 2068 01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:32,760 thing that could happen is pulling the guns away from the 2069 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,200 FBI and making them just an investigative agency that has to 2070 01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,000 go to somebody else for enforcement and has to go to 2071 01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,960 somebody else for prosecution. I mean, that would be great, 2072 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,440 because I can tell you the scars I have from the FBI right in my 2073 01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:44,760 home were the worst, right? Like it was worse than the civil 2074 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:45,920 forfeiture was worse than everything. 2075 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,120 Yeah. Nobody knows what that feels 2076 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,800 like to see the door come down or people come into your house. 2077 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,480 The second thing is, is that I've I've advocated is that you 2078 01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:53,520 get rid of all the special agents. 2079 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:54,400 I don't care what you do with them. 2080 01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,720 Honestly, I just don't care. I don't care what happens to the 2081 01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,280 prison guards that worked at Auschwitz. 2082 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,200 And I don't care about what happened to the cops that 2083 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,720 rounded up shoes and put them in the box cars. 2084 01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,520 And I don't care what happens to the FBI. 2085 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,080 There's some friends of mine that are in there and they're 2086 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:06,840 good people. They'll land. 2087 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,200 OK, I I got no warning. You know, I I feel like they'll 2088 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,200 do OK or they won't and that'll be fine too. 2089 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,360 But what I'd love to see is local cops or state cops with 10 2090 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,800 plus years of experience and A and a great history of honorable 2091 01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,720 service getting moved in, being accountable as federal deputies 2092 01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,760 under Title 18 and Title 21 to enforce and do the 2093 01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,400 investigations. And that way they also have 2094 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,120 concurrent state powers. But that way they're accountable 2095 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,040 to an attorney general and state laws, not federal. 2096 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,200 And then they can bring cases and then US attorneys can bring 2097 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:35,920 it or not. I don't care. 2098 01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,920 That would make way more sense. I think that would that would 2099 01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,240 make good sense. And if you look back in the 2100 01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,320 origins of the FBI like the first agents and the the people 2101 01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,800 that really built the agency, the good parts of the agency 2102 01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,080 like they were state law enforcement. 2103 01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,720 You know, like that's that was the background that they came 2104 01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,520 from and we're very, very disconnected from that now. 2105 01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,680 And so it's a very, you know, my husband always talks about how, 2106 01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,360 like, when they were performing the search warrant on our house, 2107 01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,320 he was, like talking to the FBI agents that were there. 2108 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,360 And he was like, so like, what'd you do before this? 2109 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,680 And it was just like, Wild and Sky was like, I was a bookkeeper 2110 01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:13,200 and I was really bored. And he's like, so now you it's 2111 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,600 like, so now you're an FBI agent with a gun in my home over my 2112 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,480 honest services. Like, it's like, it's like, 2113 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,360 what? I mean, it's such the drama, the 2114 01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,320 drama of it, the drama of it, You know what I mean? 2115 01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:30,000 The like the, you know, I've told you this and this is still 2116 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,720 such a hard part but like when my husband would not plead 2117 01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,760 guilty, the federal prosecutors kept saying that they were going 2118 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,600 to come into our home and arrest him in front of our kids just 2119 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:44,880 some morning. And when that when they came for 2120 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,720 the search warrant, that's what we thought they were there for 2121 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,400 because they did search warrant like two months after they told 2122 01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,320 him he was a target of an investigation, which made no 2123 01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:56,360 sense. And after that, you know, we 2124 01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:59,760 would get up every morning at like 5:30 and take the girls out 2125 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,720 of the house for two hours and put our baby monitor in our 2126 01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,800 window that was attached to our phones. 2127 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,520 And then when we come back, we were just making sure they 2128 01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,560 weren't there because we were so afraid that I just didn't want 2129 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,600 the girls to see their dad drag down handcuffs. 2130 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,880 They bring it up because the theatrics of this are so 2131 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,480 ridiculous. Like, my husband was accused of 2132 01:33:17,480 --> 01:33:19,960 depriving his private employer of his honest services. 2133 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,480 And they're like, we're going to come in, guns are blazing and 2134 01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,040 drag you out of your house. Like what? 2135 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,800 Well, how does that make sense? Like, I don't like. 2136 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,760 I don't like Roger Stone. I don't like Roger Stone. 2137 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,400 OK. But like, he was like a 70 year 2138 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:37,320 old man, no violent history. And they like they sent frog men 2139 01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,440 into the water behind his house when they raided his home to 2140 01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:41,720 arrest him. Like for what? 2141 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,520 Because it's a game. Like we don't live in a game, we 2142 01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,560 live in the real world. And like that. 2143 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,360 Those kind of theatrics are ridiculous and I found out. 2144 01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,280 That actually, we actually do live in a game. 2145 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,320 Yeah, I mean, it does feel that way. 2146 01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,160 Like, those theatrics are just ridiculous. 2147 01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,920 Just ridiculous. There's no way around it, 2148 01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,440 anybody that gets exposed to this stuff immediately. 2149 01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:06,120 I mean, I I'm guessing you have some sympathy for Steve Baker 2150 01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:07,800 walking around for a misdemeanor or crime. 2151 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,880 He's in, he's in belly shackles. He's. 2152 01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,920 I mean, a. 100% I do, 100% I do. Right? 2153 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,800 Like, it's just, it's ridiculous and it's like he's putting on a 2154 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:20,000 very brave face and public face. But like, you know, that is a 2155 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:21,880 terrifying experience. Do you know what the difference 2156 01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,200 is? Can I can I tell you the 2157 01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,200 difference, which I don't know that I've discussed in any way? 2158 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,000 I I talked to George Hill, my friend the other day, who's a a 2159 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,080 former. He's a combatant. 2160 01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,640 OK, you're a combatant. You didn't know you were before 2161 01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,480 this, but you were. You were always a combatant. 2162 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:39,280 Would you agree? Yeah, I would. 2163 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,520 I've just never been tested. But you're a combatant by by 2164 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,840 your by the type of disposition you have. 2165 01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,840 You would be the kind of person that would engage. 2166 01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:50,040 Many people have the ability to dis like their their instinct is 2167 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,000 to disconnect. Mine is to engage. 2168 01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,560 I'm a combatant. You're a combatant. 2169 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,320 We're fair game, you know. What? 2170 01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:00,640 It's it's unfair that we were, that we had to engage here, but 2171 01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,960 it is our nature to do what we're doing, what you and I. 2172 01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,160 Are doing. Yes. 2173 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:05,680 I engage. Yeah that's right. 2174 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,160 That's I I dig in. Like, I didn't pick the battle, 2175 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,600 but I'm going to finish it. Kind of thing. 2176 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:10,960 Like, I didn't want him to have this fight. 2177 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,720 But OK, game on, will. Bill Shipley, who's been 2178 01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,480 defending a lot of J Sixers, has that same combatant attitude. 2179 01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:19,600 He just published a piece over the Blaze called It's called 2180 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,680 Game On, and I'll read It, OK That's the way that that you and 2181 01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,320 I are built. And that's probably why we get 2182 01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,480 along really well also. We're very, you know, we see the 2183 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,840 injustice of it and even if we don't agree with the what 2184 01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,880 justice looks like, we would at least want to have that honest 2185 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,000 debate. Right. 2186 01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:37,120 But, but Steve Baker is not a combatant. 2187 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,600 Well, you know, this is, this is where it spills over. 2188 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:45,920 Yeah. That's a really good way of 2189 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,560 looking at that. There's another target who I 2190 01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,720 won't name in Amazon's investigation, who is not a 2191 01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,680 combatant. And watching him go through this 2192 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,200 and like, he stood firm, but like he couldn't. 2193 01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:58,160 He got up. He couldn't, you know, like 2194 01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,200 fight outwardly because he couldn't. 2195 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,480 He was paralyzed by it, I think, in a lot of ways, you know. 2196 01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,280 There's three things that happened in the sympathetic 2197 01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:05,680 responses. There's three possibilities. 2198 01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,440 The outcomes are fight, flight and freeze. 2199 01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,400 Two of them are active. One of them is passive 2200 01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,960 combatants involved in either fighting or flighting. 2201 01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,600 Because running away is a good strategy sometimes, and getting 2202 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:15,960 involved is another good strategy. 2203 01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,400 But freezing is the most common thing we see in our and. 2204 01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:20,760 And one it's non combatants all freeze. 2205 01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,480 Yeah. Yeah, well, it's interesting. 2206 01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:26,880 I I when this started, I froze. I lost 20 lbs and I couldn't 2207 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,800 stop shaking. And my mother, who is like the 2208 01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,200 strongest person I've ever met, she Facetimed me and I was 2209 01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,600 sitting on the bathroom floor hiding and it'd been about 3 2210 01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,360 weeks and she just on FaceTime. She looked at me and she goes 2211 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,600 get up. She's like, this is not my 2212 01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,040 daughter. She's like get up and fight. 2213 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,560 And I was like, I don't know if I can fight. 2214 01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,440 She's like, I don't know if you can win, but I know you can 2215 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:50,920 fight. She's like, you got to go down 2216 01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,240 swinging. Amy, what are you doing? 2217 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:56,560 And at that moment, I just was like, OK, I'm in, right? 2218 01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,240 But I think I was just it says a lot that it took me down to my 2219 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,000 knees because I am, I am like I am someone who engages. 2220 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,640 I'm a litigator. Like I I'm born to fight. 2221 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,080 Like I chose a profession of fighting. 2222 01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:10,520 But like it it was so scary that I just, like, went down. 2223 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,680 People always think that, you know, if something bad happens 2224 01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,840 to me, then I'll win. I'll, I'll, I'll. 2225 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,280 I got all this training and experience. 2226 01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,920 There's a reason why if you ambush Navy Seals, Navy Seals 2227 01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,280 die, OK? These are people that spend 2228 01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,760 their entire life with physical fitness and being combatants. 2229 01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,360 That's all they They yearn for that battle space. 2230 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,600 Anybody who's ever trained around guys like this know what 2231 01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,160 I'm talking about. But if you get caught when you 2232 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,800 are not in that space, there's Jeff Cooper. 2233 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,640 He's the father of, like, modern handgun technique. 2234 01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,280 He's a former special Forces guy, worked down in South Latin 2235 01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,680 America a bunch and and South America. 2236 01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,640 And one of the things that he talks about are the colors 2237 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,080 awareness. There's white, there's yellow, 2238 01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,640 there's orange, there's red and there's black, and in white that 2239 01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,920 means you're so blissfully unaware the world is beautiful, 2240 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,640 and then if something bad happens to you, you die. 2241 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:55,920 Yellow means you know that there's danger, but it's not 2242 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,960 near you, but you're aware that it exists. 2243 01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,880 And if something happens in yellow and you can't escalate, 2244 01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:02,680 you die. Most people who are like you and 2245 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,880 me probably live in the orange, which means that we know there's 2246 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,160 danger and it's probably anywhere. 2247 01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,880 But if it comes up, I'm going to have to escalate. 2248 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,680 But right now I'm like moderately safe. 2249 01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:11,680 And then there's people who live in the red. 2250 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,240 Those people burn out. That means that there's imminent 2251 01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,560 danger and the next thing that happens is like lethality or 2252 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,320 attack mode. I'm going to, I'm ready to fight 2253 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:19,920 at all times. You can only live in the red for 2254 01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,280 so long. And then there's people getting 2255 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,200 the black. They're overwhelmed by 2256 01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,400 circumstances, They've been in the red, they've been fought, 2257 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,040 they fought too long and they and they basically get 2258 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,120 everything hits them at once and they just they're done. 2259 01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,800 And we've got a lot of people that are non combatants now that 2260 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,800 are living in like the red and the orange and it's exhausting 2261 01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,240 if you're not built for it. And most people freeze and 2262 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,000 eventually some people are overwhelmed by circumstances 2263 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,440 they can no longer do it, they meltdown. 2264 01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,320 I see a lot of people that made sense and stop making sense in 2265 01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,960 the last couple years because they were like I don't trust 2266 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,000 anything. And now everything I believe is 2267 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,120 true. And that's why there are Jewish 2268 01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,640 space lasers that are melting down Hawaii or whatever other 2269 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,760 crazy shit people believe in. It's it's the worst thing that's 2270 01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,000 ever happened to our society, in Western society, certainly in in 2271 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,760 recent memory, and we're all living through it. 2272 01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,960 I'm just really happy to see that your family, you get 2273 01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,120 another shot at it and this is like the like the best news that 2274 01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:15,480 when I saw it that that they had vacated like that's a total 2275 01:39:15,480 --> 01:39:19,840 victory for you it. It was like I didn't I I I hoped 2276 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,400 for it. I believed it. 2277 01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,880 But it was wild. And we found out about it on the 2278 01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,960 public docket. Like it wasn't like the DOJ 2279 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,640 reached out. We found about it, out about it, 2280 01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,840 as the public did, because God forbid they would reach out. 2281 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,760 And like the kindness to tell us, they were doing that. 2282 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:34,440 No. They don't have that. 2283 01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:36,920 What what color do you guys live in right now on that color 2284 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,120 awareness? Where have you gone from? 2285 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,280 Well, I'm in orange still. I mean orange. 2286 01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:41,560 Like orange. Like I'm not. 2287 01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,280 I can't live in constant fight. I can't live in red. 2288 01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,280 I can't, right. Like, I have to like I can't 2289 01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:47,840 enjoy my kids. I can't laugh. 2290 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,400 It's like I just refuse to live in red. 2291 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,520 Like it's not. There are moments where I'm 2292 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,560 still triggered into red, like I was sitting. 2293 01:39:55,240 --> 01:40:00,440 My desk looks out on a window and I get up really early in 2294 01:40:00,440 --> 01:40:03,000 work because I work from like 5 to 7 before and then get the 2295 01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,320 kids ready for school and take them to school and walk the dog. 2296 01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,400 And I was sitting here and it was pitch black and a car drove 2297 01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,640 into a driveway like 6:00 in the morning. 2298 01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,600 And I just like, you know, and it was, it was Walmart 2299 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,480 delivering a package, 'cause I don't order from Amazon. 2300 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,400 It was Walmart. But, like, but it was, I mean, I 2301 01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,600 was. I was, I was panicked. 2302 01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,880 And it took a much, I'm much more capable now of, like 2303 01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,720 regulating back down, you know, like no one's coming to get you 2304 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,400 today. Everything is OK, you know? 2305 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:34,840 And they no longer like I used to. 2306 01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,120 When I would go walk the dog alone, I would tell Carl where I 2307 01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:41,160 was going, where I would, because it's what's scary. 2308 01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,320 It's scary, right? Like Jeff Bezos hires former 2309 01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:44,520 Spooks. He talks about it all the time. 2310 01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,640 Like these people are capable, you know, and they don't, and 2311 01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,960 they're very angry at us. Yeah, and and ambushes are a 2312 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,840 technique that everybody is susceptible to ambush, that's 2313 01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,440 what. That's why ambushes are 2314 01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:57,480 successful. Yeah, I mean, like, I know how 2315 01:40:57,480 --> 01:40:59,720 to shoot a gun now. Like, I learned that over the 2316 01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,640 last four years. Like I I shoot very well, right? 2317 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,160 You know, like, I learned. Like these are the things you 2318 01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:06,000 know, you learn. I changed. 2319 01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,360 But I live in orange, not red. I'm happy to hear it. 2320 01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,000 We're going to get you one of our We'll get maybe two of them. 2321 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,160 The suspendables pins. If if your husband wants to wear 2322 01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:15,280 it, yeah. I would love them. 2323 01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:16,200 I was jealous. We were. 2324 01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,080 You can't. You can't buy the black ones. 2325 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,320 We send those to people that need them. 2326 01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:20,920 So we're going to send you guys some of those. 2327 01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:22,680 But if you guys want some of the white ones, we'll get a couple 2328 01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,440 of those as well, but. I was listening to Glenn back 2329 01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:27,080 yesterday and I didn't know Steve was going to be on. 2330 01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,920 And I was. I was listening to Steve and I 2331 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,520 was jealous of Glenn's suspendable pen. 2332 01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:35,400 So thank you very much. We'll make it happen. 2333 01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,360 The Riveter is back up and running. 2334 01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:40,640 Yes. So what we do now at The Riveter 2335 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,080 is we no longer have our Co working spaces that we work with 2336 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,120 women and professional women to help them tell their stories 2337 01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:47,920 into the world. I believe storytelling can save 2338 01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,280 your life. I think it saved my life. 2339 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,240 I you know, I think like you're a storyteller, Kyle. 2340 01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,320 It's incredibly important, and for women it can help you 2341 01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,200 advance in your career or if you want to start a business, or if 2342 01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:58,960 you want to go back to work if you've been out for a while. 2343 01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,680 So we help women tell their stories. 2344 01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,160 And then your Twitter following is still acceptable. 2345 01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,000 It's nowhere near your TikTok, but I think that's where the 2346 01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:07,880 battle is. The the battle's on Twitter for 2347 01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:08,920 me. So there's. 2348 01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:10,600 Your I love Twitter. Twitter is my Twitter. 2349 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,480 Don't tell TikTok. But Twitter is my favorite 2350 01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:15,560 because it's just like I like the it's it's it's written word. 2351 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,000 It's smart. It's interesting. 2352 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,320 It's. Snarky and cerebral. 2353 01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,280 If people stop doing snarky tweets, we probably could cure 2354 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,680 cancer. But because there's so much 2355 01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,160 cleverness out there. All right, I'm gonna throw your 2356 01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,480 your handle up here. But it's Amy under score, K 2357 01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:30,360 under score, Nelson and. That's where it is on all 2358 01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:31,680 channels. So it's TikTok as well if 2359 01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,080 anyone's on the that platform. And did you see, I have to know, 2360 01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:37,360 Kyle, did you see that Instagram and the meta went down today. 2361 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,040 It's Election Day and meta went meta. 2362 01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,880 A global, global outage. We we don't believe in 2363 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:45,480 coincidences at this point in our lives, do we? 2364 01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:47,680 No, we do not. I don't believe in space lasers 2365 01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:48,600 either necessarily. Yeah. 2366 01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,040 I don't. I don't either. 2367 01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,560 But yeah, but yeah, I thought that was really, that was really 2368 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,760 interesting. I'm like, OK, so yes. 2369 01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:57,640 All right, we will play this in a couple days. 2370 01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,680 And I'm so happy for your story and I really appreciate you 2371 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,160 being my friend and coming on and talking to us about it and 2372 01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,200 sharing it and being vulnerable with it, 'cause I know that is a 2373 01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,480 vulnerability and if people can follow you, all those places, 2374 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,800 all of our prayers for your family going on, and we'll get 2375 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,080 those pins your way home. Thank you so much. 2376 01:43:13,480 --> 01:43:14,640 Thank you. Thanks, Amy. 2377 01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,760 All right, folks. And that is our show for the day 2378 01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:20,960 and I really appreciate you guys listening. 2379 01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,640 Thanks so much. If you if that moved you, you 2380 01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,960 should share the story. Amy's story's so good and I'll. 2381 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,360 I'll go join her on her TikTok. I don't want to, but I will. 2382 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,720 I definitely will. She told me we could go do 2383 01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,600 something on a TikTok live. Good Lord, I'm going to sell out 2384 01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,760 to the Chinese here. No, I will do whatever it takes 2385 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,440 because this is one of those stories that we cannot let fall. 2386 01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:42,920 And the persistence should inspire all of you. 2387 01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,360 Really appreciate you guys giving her your attention and 2388 01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,360 being a great audience and sharing that story. 2389 01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,800 Continue to support her on Twitter and let's do something 2390 01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,880 we're We're going to support the O'boyle family merch store too. 2391 01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,440 Not really a promo, kind of an internal support thing. 2392 01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:01,160 The Dash suspendables.com. You guys can go to that website 2393 01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:03,960 if you are interested in picking up one of our outstanding 2394 01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,400 shirts, including the new Kyle Seraphin Show shirt. 2395 01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,040 I don't know when they're going to start shipping. 2396 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,840 When you guys get them, somebody's going to have to send 2397 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,160 me a picture while wearing it. That's right, you have to tag me 2398 01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:13,600 on social media at Kyle Seraphin. 2399 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:18,200 In order to do that, you got to go to the Dash suspendables.com. 2400 01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:20,960 If you use the promo code Kyle, you'll save 10%. 2401 01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,880 If you want to pick up some of our suspendables pins, which are 2402 01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,440 by far the most popular thing, you can wear them on your lapel, 2403 01:44:26,440 --> 01:44:29,960 like I will be wearing tomorrow night in Lewiston or maybe, I 2404 01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:32,280 guess it's Saturday night. Go ahead and get yourself some 2405 01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:33,600 of those. If you order two, we're going to 2406 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,560 give you 3 anyway, so you might as well order three and it'll 2407 01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:37,280 knock the price down and you'll see them for 30 bucks. 2408 01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,320 So that's the best way to do it. And an outstanding way to 2409 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,880 support FBI whistleblower, specifically the O'boyle family 2410 01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,960 who's been through an awful lot still in that fight against the 2411 01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,360 FBI. Yeah, it's not going anywhere. 2412 01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,120 All right folks, So we appreciate your support there. 2413 01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:52,800 If you are interested, you guys know how to get it. 2414 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,240 It's the don't forget the dash suspendables.com. 2415 01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,960 Use the promo code. Kyle and I have not forgotten. 2416 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,080 Here is a 5 star review. I've been remiss couple days 2417 01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:04,600 here so let's do this one from Danny Moe going back in time a 2418 01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:06,680 little bit. It says finally five stars. 2419 01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:09,360 You were the first that I've heard. 2420 01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:12,280 Making the point that the FACE Act should be used to protect 2421 01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,560 pro-life reproductive health facilities as well and call 2422 01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,800 attention to the fact that it's not that is not used for this, 2423 01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,680 even though there are many cases of damages done to these 2424 01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,000 facilities. We need a running list of 2425 01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,800 pro-life versus he said pro-life. 2426 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,720 But we know pro death prosecutions sought using the 2427 01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,080 statute to include the total number of incidents reported. 2428 01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,040 You know where you're going to find that Danny Moe that was 2429 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:36,760 kind of a wordy little one. But you know where you're going 2430 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:37,840 to find that. You're going to find that at 2431 01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,000 catholicvote.org they are actually keeping track of 2432 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,240 violations of the FACE Act that are not pursued by this Justice 2433 01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:44,600 Department. Go ahead and check them out 2434 01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:46,480 again. Highly recommend it. 2435 01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,200 Really grateful for all of you. Make sure you leave a five star 2436 01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,360 review If you were doing it on Apple, on Spotify, on 2437 01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,160 iHeartRadio, you can do. I'm going to start looking for 2438 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:54,640 the iheart ones. There's got to be. 2439 01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,080 I've been picking them up off Spotify. 2440 01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:57,280 We'll start doing some of those as well. 2441 01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:58,520 Really appreciate all of you guys. 2442 01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,200 Almost to 1005 star reviews in just over a year. 2443 01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,440 Humbling. Honoured and I'm glad that you 2444 01:46:04,440 --> 01:46:06,760 guys join us every morning. Hang out tomorrow, you're going 2445 01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,120 to see another good interview. I don't want to spoil it. 2446 01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,160 So we'll see you again in the morning. 2447 01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:12,280 God bless you. Be safe. 2448 01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,560 See you soon. Thanks for listening to The Kyle 2449 01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:18,520 Serafin Show, streamed live weekdays on rumble.com/kyle 2450 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,760 Serafin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, True 2451 01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,120 Social, and Instagram at Kyle Serafin.