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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower, an 

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American patriot. 
Prepare to embrace the 

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uncomfortable truth, because 
this programme has no time for 

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comforting lies. 
Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Serafin. 
You're in the information age, 

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but facts are in short supply. 
Reject the noise, ask bold 

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questions and pursue the truth 
with FBI whistleblowers and 

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founding suspend tables Air to 
boil and Steve Friend, this is 

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the American Radicals podcast. 
Hello my friends and welcome to 

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Kyle Serpent Show. 
Today's Thursday. 

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It's December the 21st and we 
have a huge Thursday. 

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And I also have a Steve friend. 
It is the American Radicals 

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podcast for Thursday. 
We're really excited to do a 

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collaborative effort here 
between McAlester from Show and 

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the American Radicals. 
Let's hit it. 

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This is going to be a 2 for one 
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We're going to be doing both 
streams at the same time because

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I brought Steve friend, Garrido 
Boyle and our outstanding, 

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fellow suspendable Steve Baker. 
We're going to be rocking and 

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rolling here and this is gonna 
get really wild. 

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So let's throw all four of us on
the screen here and introduce 

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the gents again, Steve Baker, 
He's probably our, he might be 

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our second most popular guest. 
Garrett is actually the most 

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popular guest that's ever been 
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But but Steve, you were a very, 
very close second and I'm happy 

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to have all of you guys on here.
These are my favourite people to

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talk to. 
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yesterday and it was like an 
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When I looked out at the phone, 
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stuff to do here. 
Steve, welcome to the show. 

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Steve Baker, welcome to the 
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Yeah. 
Thank you for having me again. 

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Alright, we're going to have a 
lot of fun folks. 

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Let me do a couple of ad reads 
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I want to thank the sponsors 
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and then we are going to we're 
gonna have so much fun with it. 

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I've got some some American 
Bowie experience. 

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Many of you guys have no idea 
how Steve Baker has made his 

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living for most of most of his 
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His adult life going all the way
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So we're going to cover it from 
soup to nuts all the way through

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and then we're going to 
basically have a circular firing

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squad. 
You'll notice one guy is not 

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wearing a black shirt. 
That's the guy getting jumped 

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into the gang. 
That's how this works. 

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Y'all let's let's do a quick one
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do support and keep the lights 
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Ryan. 
We throw them up on the screen 

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folks. catholicvote.org. 
We're still doing the Catholic 

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hero of 2023 vote. 
You guys can do that. 

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Again, we voted for more. 
Count. 

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You vote for whoever you like. 
We do appreciate that. 

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But check out the loop. 
Put in your email address and 

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your zip code. 
Loop me in. 

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You'll get a great email full of
news every single day. 

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Today would be one of those 
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You want to do that. 
And there it is. 

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Scroll a little further down. 
Boom. 

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There's the finals. 
Me and Mark. 

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How a pro-life father who 
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time from the DOJ. 
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stuff today, so that's actually 
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Get in there and get your vote 
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I don't think you have to do 
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You don't have to pay him 
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You just go in there and do your
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support there. 
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What else you want to do? 
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guys ready to just launch? 
Like full bore launch into this.

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Let's go. 
Man, I've been waiting for a 

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week. 
I I've been following Steve 

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Baker on media. 
He's he's getting the the white 

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glove treatment. 
We're ready to jump him in the 

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gang. 
Alright, that's good. 

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No, no more soft touches. 
Steve, do you want to announced 

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the big news that Blaze just put
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We'll get you started on that. 
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article we can show. 
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then I was completely blindsided
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I didn't think that The Blaze 
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scrolling through The Blaze this
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another column about me. 
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fact that I am now no longer 
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but they are bringing me on full
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investigative journalist. 
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It's it's actually very, very 
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of those people who is. 
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you know, I I haven't had a W2 
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School. 
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of what we are. 
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other boys here, have 
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somebody else, and we are now 
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where that is not the case. 
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quick. 
Want to read from the article if

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you don't mind Steve and just 
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important. 
This is Matthew Peterson who you

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said is your editor. 
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covering the lies of January 6. 
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January 6th reporter won't need 
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Christmas. 
Our response is to promote him 

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to full time employee. 
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down here, it says after years 
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imprisonment over Baker and 
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If that's supposed to be some 
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Department, they said you have 
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We may be forgiven for turning 
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We won't be backing down. 
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that we've offered Steve Baker a
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an investigative journalist, 
effective start of the new year,

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which he has accepted. 
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Baker on X and congratulate him.
That's coming directly from The 

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Blaze. 
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highly recommend you do So. 
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breaking about J6 is it really 
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what everyone else is doing. 
You've got so much time on the 

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ground. 
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go back inception to date 
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talked it was like 3 hours. 
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story, but I really want people 
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new audience, if that's cool 
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We'll start wherever you want to
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to. 
All right, Ryan, we've got a 

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pretty fun thing to start with. 
Let's do video number one. 

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We're going to get warmed up 
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We're going to get a little bit 
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Steve Baker that has existed for
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Baker and and then we're going 
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investigative journalist. 
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Is that, you know, stuff to do. 
And so Danny goes, I really want

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you to do Young Americans. 
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and came out with a song, right?
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Ah, there it is. 
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experience. 
Steve, What do you got to say 

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for yourself, Mr. Baker? 
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saying that that really good 
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know the rock God that was 
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guitar, That's my son. 
So very proud to have spent some

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few years on stage with my own 
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There's nothing better than 
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But yeah no, I I I started off 
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Being a trumpet player is all I 
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I had my designs actually. 
I was hoping at some point in my

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life his studio player and then 
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I was in college, I was a 
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school and I got a call from a 
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all over the world and they 
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So I quit school, went on the 
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life was changed at that moment 
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that's what first put me behind 
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doing Iron Curtain ministry and 
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working with underground 
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band, you know, Brezhnev was 
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of the Communist Party and sat 
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I just want people to digest 
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You just said that, put me 
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Like, you just kind of casually 
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Like most people don't say that.
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achievement or the sort of the 
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have in their entire life. 
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entry point into this weird life
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Is that is that fair? 
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happened. 
Because it was this, this thing 

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that I parachuted into when I 
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I had no idea that two weeks 
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studio in San Francisco doing 
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the theme song for the 1980 
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And I had, I mean, I just 
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whole whole experience. 
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after the embargo from the West 
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and all the other Western 
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Games in 1980. 
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this band was doing an official 
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I played on Soviet television 
and, you know, everything began 

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from there. 
Yeah, and when you said 

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subversive work, do you want to 
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tell the tell the lads not not 
everybody. 

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Like I said, we got a new ish 
audience and subversive work 

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behind the Iron Curtain. 
May may sound a little flippant 

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for what was going on. 
You want to kind of describe it 

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a little bit? 
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This, this organisation. 
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Basically it was. 
It was a it was a group that did

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work not only in behind earn 
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disadvantaged parts of the 
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China, South Africa, places like
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And there was 4 bands on the 
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bands were always touring in 
North America, basically raising

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nine months at a time, then we 
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continents with each other. 
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Europe and put us on the road 
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then our pieces were approved to
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And and essentially our job was 
at that time to our cover, it 

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was our cover was to be a band 
and we were, we were real band 

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and we we would show up on the 
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through all of the searches and 
you know bend over, you know, 

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rubber glove treatment and 
everything that they had to put 

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us through to get us in. 
And then once we were in, we had

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literally hidden inside of our 
equipment. 

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We had tape duplicating 
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studio equipment for these 
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back then. 
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plates for these dissidents as 
well. 

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We don't need those. 
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anymore. 
But that's what we were carrying

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over back in 8080 one and before
and after. 

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And so it was, it was actually a
a very, very interesting group 

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and we worked directly with some
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we were working with, believe it
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Interior, James Watts, you know 
the the the Interior Department 

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of Interior had Black Ops money 
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fund these types of subversive 
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And and that's essentially what 
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supporting the underground 
dissident movement, Christian 

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dissident and Christian 
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Union. 
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step further and eventually 
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myself as well. 
Been doing essentially the same 

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thing in my cover was as a 
musician. 

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I would I would go in I would 
have my my trumpet gig bag over 

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my shoulder, my my you know my 
duffel bag with my clothes and 

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over the other shoulder and I 
would cross into these countries

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and that was my job. 
I would. 

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I would tell them that I was on 
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Europe and. 
I would. 

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Steve, can I ask you a question 
about that? 

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Yeah. 
So it's a fascinating story to 

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hear that you did that. 
That's part of your life. 

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And you're literally doing God's
work to help Christian 

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dissidents and other dissidents 
and spread freedom. 

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And now here you are today in 
America. 

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View it as a dissident. 
How do you hold those things 

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simultaneously in your head? 
And what's your reaction to what

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our own government is doing to 
you now, especially looking back

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on your own history and what 
you've done on the, you know, 

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the side of freedom and truth 
and for Christ as well? 

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Did you see my tweet invitation 
this morning to this broadcast? 

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I actually invited all of our 
FBI watchers to to join us. 

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I actually sent a text to my FBI
case agent last night and 

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invited him and all of his 
buddies and and what Craig, 

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what's that? 
That's. 

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Craig. 
Is that his name? 

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Yeah, Craig Noy is good. 
And then I invited them and I 

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said something to the effect of 
take a break and have a little 

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holiday cheer with us today and 
a little break from your Gulag 

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Archipelago lifestyle. 
So yeah, that experience when I 

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was 1920 years old affected my 
entire life all the way up until

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now. 
We need to connect the dots 

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here. 
The fact that that Steve Baker 

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was penetrating into the USSR to
bring them Levi genes. 

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And then that fortune led to Dan
Goldman ascending to become a 

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congressional representative, to
then interrogate Care and I to 

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turn America into a communist 
nation. 

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I mean, as they said in the 
chat, it's it's the circle of 

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life. 
But to answer your question more

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specifically, I think this this 
does ring hard, ring true for me

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right now more more so than you 
know. 

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I'm not going to compare myself 
in any way, shape or form to 

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some of the more abused of the 
J6 defendants that have been 

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through this process. 
I don't know if you saw I posted

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a postcard letter that was 
received last night by Angel 

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Harris and the the wife of 
retired Sergeant Ken Harrelson 

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who was one of the Oath Keepers 
who was not involved in any of 

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the planning or the UP upstaging
of the, you know of the event. 

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He was just called on January 
3rd by the head of the Florida 

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Oath Keepers Kelly Megs and said
hey Ken, we need you to provide 

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security and actually head the 
security for one of the side 

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stages, one of the legally 
permitted by the capitol police 

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side stages on the capital 
property that day. 

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And so after sitting in the 
ellipse down where the president

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was speaking at the invitation 
of the United States Secret 

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Service, this is where those 
guys were sitting watching the 

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president's speech. 
Then it was time to lead their 

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protectees over, you know, the 
mild mile and a half walk over 

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to the capital. 
And that's what Kenny did. 

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And then when he got there, you 
know, he, he made the fatal 

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mistake of following the crowd 
into the building. 

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And of course when he got 
inside, he did what an 

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oathkeeper does is he saw a 
distressed officer immediately 

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called over. 3 Oath Keepers. 
Other ones, they lined up 

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before. 
Between him and the more 

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agitated protesters, they stood 
a line. 

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There's we have actually 
photography and and video of 

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Kenny holding out his arms and 
holding crowds back from Officer

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Harry Dunn. 
And then Harry Dunn repaid him 

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by perjuring himself in trial 
and telling the jury that this 

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was an agitated and a completely
contentious confrontation and 

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that those bookkeepers were 
trying to get down the stairs to

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attack other officers and blah 
blah blah. 

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You know, just just as this made
up tale of tales and and then as

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a result of that these guys were
convicted, punished and framed. 

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I'm convinced of that and that's
what happened. 

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But I but this letter this 
postcard that I was talking 

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about was received by Angel, his
wife and just just evil vile and

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yet couched it in the words of 
you know, this is we, we're 

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Christians. 
And if I look at the Bible this 

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silly and everything you guys 
are, you guys are not the 

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defenders of democracy. 
You guys are are the 

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insurrectionists and the unholy 
and. 

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Blah and Christofascists, No. 
Less I like that there's there's

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the word I don't have it up in 
front of me, but I'm glad it's. 

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Alright, that's out in my head 
last night. 

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I love the idea of a Christo 
fascist, just because everything

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about it is, you know, that's an
oxymoron in and of itself. 

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But Steve, what I wanted, the 
reason why I liked having you 

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tell your story of going into 
this, the Soviet Union and doing

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the Iron Curtain work is because
you participated in intelligence

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operations. 
That's what those are, Those are

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influence operations. 
And what I'd like to do is zoom 

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back out. 
Since you've been doing such a 

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good job and such an intense job
of covering J6. 

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Can you give people who don't 
really have a great grasp on it,

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who haven't spent the hundreds 
of hours that you have watching 

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all the footage and, you know, 
doing all the interviews? 

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Can you give people your 
overall, you know, fair and 

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balanced kind of take on this is
what you think happened? 

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And, and a lot of it you have 
evidence for which we'll talk 

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about, too. 
Yeah, I I will start the answer 

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to that question by telling you 
that I have changed my mind and 

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I have vacillated and I have, I 
have been back and forth 

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sometimes 180° on a lot of 
specific incidences and issues 

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and and you know events that 
took place that day. 

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But in the overall context that 
hasn't changed much because what

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I saw with my own eyes and what 
I did, what I captured on my own

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video that day and then 
overlaying that with some people

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that I really trust that have 
much, much more experience than 

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I do. 
And in viewing these types of 

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influence operations as you 
correctly identified it it and 

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I'm talking about you know 
special OPS guys that that's 

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what they did. 
This is they spent many, many 

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years on the ground doing this 
kind of thing in other 

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countries, Middle East, South 
America, Central America, 

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etcetera, etcetera. 
And as they looked at those 

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videos with me and they would 
identify the same things that I 

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saw that day. 
It that's the one thing I 

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haven't changed is that I saw 
with my own eyes. 

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I'm not going to say yet that it
was planned from top to bottom, 

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but I will tell you that I know 
that it was allowed to happen. 

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My investigations have shown me 
that from the command centre of 

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the Capitol Police, beginning 
with the intelligence 

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department, who had every single
thing that they needed to know 

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in advance, not just three days 
in advance but as many as two 

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weeks in advance, They had been 
warned about everything. 

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It's very, very uncommon 
knowledge. 

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Is that the Department of 
Defence? 

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Both Chris Miller, who was 
acting deaf at the time, as well

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as Joint Chiefs of Staff, 
Millie, head of the Joint Chiefs

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of Staff. 
Both of them wanted to cancel 

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all what they call First 
Amendment protest permits on 

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January 6th because of the 
threat that they believed that 

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was imminent. 
That day they pass that 

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information along to the Capitol
Police. 

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That information was never 
disseminated, not to their 

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frontline officers, not to their
Middle Command level officers 

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and. 
Not even to Chief Son. 

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That's an interesting story in 
and of itself, which we can or 

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can't get into it later 
depending on the time. 

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But the point being is, is that 
they went into, they went into 

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that day completely unprepared. 
I believe that the Capitol 

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Police themselves were set up. 
And when I say that I'm talking 

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about the frontline officers, 
I'm not talking about the 

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command. 
But as they were watching this 

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from the command centre, they 
executed essentially a, you 

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know, I've, I've euphemistically
called it a rope, a dope 

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operation. 
It's like you know, let them in,

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let them a little bit more, let 
them in a little bit more. 

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And that's what I saw develop in
my in my own eyes. 

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And now I believe it more so 
than ever after all of these 

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layers of the onion that I've 
been peeling back over the last 

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three years. 
I think we broke down the rope, 

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Adel. 
But for those of you who are not

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boxers or have not watched Rocky
movies or any of these kind of 

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things, if it's not part of your
lexicon, the Ropeadope is 

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essentially letting somebody 
tyre themselves out. 

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And so when Steve says, like 
they, you know, they're fighting

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for everything they've got at at
one barricade, you give them 

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another, you know you you've 
triumphed, You managed to get 

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yourself another eight feet or 
whatever, and then you just stop

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them cold there again and 
continue to do it. 

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It's interesting that you don't 
think that it was completely 

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centrally planned. 
I have the same instinct. 

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I have far less time looking at 
it, but the idea that it would 

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be centrally planned is 
antithetical to everything I 

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know about the way the 
government works and everything 

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I know about how these types of 
intelligence operations would be

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run. 
Especially because the FBI was 

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involved and there's so many 
field offices. 

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There's 56 field offices, and 
the boys can talk about this 

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with me as well. 
But it's more likely than not 

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every single field office was 
individually incentivized to 

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have their own cases built up 
and have their own sources roll 

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through it and have their own 
sort of statistical 

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accomplishments for being 
embedded and and disrupting and 

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for reporting in on and all this
kind of stuff. 

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And then when that all happens, 
everybody is kind of working 

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towards the same goal, but not 
everybody is communicating with 

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each other what they're trying 
to do. 

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It just turns out to basically 
be the shit show that we saw, 

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which is that the government was
able to run the biggest case 

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that's ever been done. 
They were able to get a huge 

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budget against it. 
I mean, they opened up new 

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offices for the FBI in DC to do 
this stuff. 

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Oh, they not only open up new 
FBI offices that are now opening

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up capital police officers on 
the the heels of this and under 

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the justification of this all 
over the country, The first two 

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were in Tampa and San Francisco 
and now it was just announced 

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they're opening several other 
offices of Texas and and other 

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states as well. 
Capital. 

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Yeah, I know. 
Maybe that maybe the Guard and 

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Steve, you guys want to kind of 
weigh in on the idea that we 

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have a congressional security 
force that is not under the 

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executive that's now doing some 
sort of enforcement actions and 

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not the area that they're 
charged with. 

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Well you have the the police 
aspect which is supposed to fall

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under the executive branch. 
They're going to execute the 

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laws that the the legislative 
branch draughts and and pushes 

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through and now they they are 
under the direction of the 

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legislative branch. 
So it's just weird quasi they 

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they responded both branches. 
So it's me. 

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There's sort of a a separation 
of powers issue. 

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And then I also think we have 
this issue of mission creep that

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rolls in because they've 
overfunded the Capitol Police 

453
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,480
and then they're going to 
justify this budget by 

454
00:23:06,490 --> 00:23:08,030
expanding. 
They're going to build these 

455
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,900
satellite offices so that they 
can use the budget and say, look

456
00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:13,330
we use the budget give us more 
next year. 

457
00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:16,660
And the the problem is that they
have these special agents I 

458
00:23:16,670 --> 00:23:18,690
guess with the capital police 
that are going to claim that 

459
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:22,450
they have 1811 criminal 
investigator authority. 

460
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,970
So ergo they can investigate all
matters of federal criminal law 

461
00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:28,230
and they're just going to ask 
for forgiveness rather than 

462
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,250
permission. 
I I was having a conversation 

463
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:33,290
about this a few days ago. 
To me it's no different than 

464
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:39,220
like a a federal wildlife guy 
who's who's out on on a natural 

465
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:42,390
park or something like that 
natural reserve who then just 

466
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,640
sets up shop inside city limits 
and says, you know, look, I have

467
00:23:45,650 --> 00:23:47,320
federal arrest authority. 
I'm just going to conduct 

468
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:49,220
investigations here. 
It's like, well, yes, that's in 

469
00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:51,660
keeping with being an 1811 
criminal investigator, but it's 

470
00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:54,440
not in keeping with your actual 
jurisdiction, which which your 

471
00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:57,780
lane of expertise is. 
We don't want the DEA doing 

472
00:23:57,790 --> 00:24:01,680
complex financial crimes that 
they they are authorised to do 

473
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,180
it, but they're just going to 
again, they're going to ask for 

474
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:06,660
forgiveness rather than 
permission and then challenge 

475
00:24:06,670 --> 00:24:09,830
the states like Florida to say, 
well, you know, is a supremacy 

476
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,530
issue here. 
We can't stop them from from 

477
00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:14,560
coming down here and and 
expanding their effort. 

478
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,560
What do you think, Garrett? 
So I heard they're getting one 

479
00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:21,700
of these outposts or whatever 
you want to call it, right? 

480
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:24,440
Right here in my stomping 
grounds in the Milwaukee area, 

481
00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:26,000
so. 
Congratulations. 

482
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:29,120
I know I can't wait to to go and
just turn myself in and say hey 

483
00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:34,780
guys, here I am. 
But no, it it's I think Steve 

484
00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:39,000
nailed it about the mission 
creep and the the future of what

485
00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:41,320
this is gonna turn into. 
This is police state. 

486
00:24:41,370 --> 00:24:45,720
I mean that's a topic we talk 
about often and this is just 

487
00:24:45,730 --> 00:24:50,200
another primary example. 
So you have the capital police. 

488
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:54,500
So they are supposed to be like 
you you've talked about before, 

489
00:24:54,510 --> 00:24:57,880
basically glorified security 
guards telling you which 

490
00:24:57,890 --> 00:25:01,640
direction whatever monument that
you want to go see is in. 

491
00:25:01,650 --> 00:25:05,150
And now they're going to be 
popping up all over the country.

492
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,720
What is that about? 
I mean that's that's police 

493
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:10,810
state. 
It is indeed, folks. 

494
00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:14,130
We're talking to Steve Baker, 
who is an investigative 

495
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:17,360
journalist now full time with 
The Blaze, which we're really 

496
00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:19,650
excited to, to be able to 
announce that they announced 

497
00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:21,720
just now on their website. 
And so if you're not following 

498
00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:24,430
Steve, please do so on Twitter 
and we'll put his handle out 

499
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,630
there. 
It's been tagged all over the 

500
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,620
place, but it's TPC for the 
pragmatic constitutionalist, the

501
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:35,150
number four USA, TPC 4, USA. 
How Pro is that, Baker? 

502
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,010
We think I get it. 
Awesome. 

503
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:38,890
It's not the easiest thing to 
roll off the tongue. 

504
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:40,530
We got that. 
If you're just joining us, 

505
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:41,860
please make sure you hit like on
Rumble. 

506
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:45,040
If you're not joining us on 
rumble.com/kyle Serafin, you 

507
00:25:45,050 --> 00:25:46,760
guys can see here. 
And if you're seeing the replay,

508
00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:48,560
we are playing it on the 
American Radicals podcast as 

509
00:25:48,570 --> 00:25:51,440
well because I've got American 
Radicals Steve Friend and 

510
00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:53,540
Garrido Boyle. 
We're kind of a circular firing 

511
00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:56,100
squad right here on Mr. Baker, 
hitting him with all the pepper 

512
00:25:56,110 --> 00:25:57,650
questions. 
Steve, will you tell people 

513
00:25:57,660 --> 00:26:01,110
you're what brought you to this 
January 6th investigation? 

514
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,920
Because I think some people 
don't realise that, like you 

515
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:04,920
were there and you were walking 
around, that you did some pretty

516
00:26:04,930 --> 00:26:09,980
notable coverage on that day. 
Yeah, that was a We talk about a

517
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:12,380
life changing, an event for. 
And a lifetime. 

518
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:13,400
Ago, right. 
Yeah. 

519
00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:15,860
It seems like it's been, you 
know, we're we're literally a 

520
00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:18,590
couple of weeks away from it 
being three years ago. 

521
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:23,860
And what got me there was not 
January 6, it was not President 

522
00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:26,810
Trump's call because there was 
going to be something wild. 

523
00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:30,060
It was not because, well, 
anybody that knows me and has 

524
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:32,820
followed my writings for, you 
know, forever knows that I've 

525
00:26:32,830 --> 00:26:35,370
never been a Trump supporter. 
So it was. 

526
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:38,250
It was not that which brought me
to January 6th. 

527
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:41,390
It was COVID. 
It was a COVID lockdowns that 

528
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,480
got me there. 
I I'm I'm not a rally attendee. 

529
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:48,730
I don't go to political rallies.
I I'm a very very independent 

530
00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:49,980
person. 
I'm not a Republican. 

531
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:52,690
I'm not a Democrat. 
I'm a what you would I guess 

532
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,810
characterise as a small L 
libertarian. 

533
00:26:54,950 --> 00:27:00,100
I've never been a member of that
party and and so I don't I don't

534
00:27:00,110 --> 00:27:02,280
attend political events. 
I hate them. 

535
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:05,370
I don't like sitting for an hour
or two hours and listening to 

536
00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:09,250
politicians lie to me. 
It's not my thing and I've never

537
00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:11,340
done that. 
Also not a riot chaser. 

538
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:15,700
The first time I ever attended A
protest event in my life was the

539
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:20,600
COVID lockdowns there. 
There was a I think two weeks 

540
00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:23,800
after they started the flat, you
know two weeks to flatten the 

541
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:25,750
curve thing. 
There was here in North 

542
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,460
Carolina, Raleigh at the at the 
state capitol They did a reopen 

543
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:32,520
NC rally and that was the first 
time I ever attended an event in

544
00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:35,760
my life because it affected me 
personally because being and 

545
00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:40,450
growing up and being for 40 plus
years in the music business in 

546
00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:44,010
all manners of all facets of the
music business but mostly live 

547
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:46,500
performance. 
They took my job away from me 

548
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:48,730
and I didn't know what time, how
long they were going to do that.

549
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:51,570
But you know as we all know two 
weeks to flatten the curb became

550
00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:55,890
two months, became almost two 
years and for an A year and a 

551
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:59,940
half the government told me I 
could not work. 

552
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,830
I could not earn a living and I 
was in one as I as I mentioned 

553
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,090
earlier having been one of those
self employed people for 40 

554
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,580
years. 
I was in that old Nexus where I 

555
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:12,240
didn't get anything. 
You know, those of you that got 

556
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:17,230
your $1200 stimulus cheques? 
I I never got one. 

557
00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,470
You weren't one of those guys 
because your income didn't 

558
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,290
qualify that way. 
Right. 

559
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:26,140
As as if as if a year and a half
of unemployment, 12, couple of 

560
00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:28,940
1200 dollar cheques was gonna 
make any difference whatsoever. 

561
00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:31,260
No, that's true, too. 
But I want to hone in on this 

562
00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:33,410
too, because I think that's 
where I think people have 

563
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:34,980
empathy for things that they can
experience. 

564
00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:37,000
A lot of people got locked out 
of their jobs. 

565
00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:39,080
Some of them got paid to stay 
home. 

566
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:41,800
A lot of people didn't. 
Restaurant employees screwed. 

567
00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:45,830
A lot of service workers 
screwed, you know, people who 

568
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800
were involved in dealing with 
the public, whether it be events

569
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:50,720
or actually, you know, 
performing on stage and all this

570
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:52,580
kind of stuff. 
People were screwed and and it 

571
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:54,200
brought together people from the
left and the right. 

572
00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:57,270
Like you say, lowercase L I'm 
sure a lot of your bandmates are

573
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,210
pretty Lib minded because that's
just the way that people who are

574
00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:03,190
creative and musicians tend to 
be, right? 

575
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,720
And they tend to, they tend to 
look at the world a little 

576
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:07,750
differently than people who are 
out there, you know, building 

577
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,090
construction or anything else. 
But they all had a right to earn

578
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,150
a living we thought and then 
this was a uniting piece. 

579
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,360
So I think that's really 
interesting. 

580
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:16,780
The other question that I want 
to hone in on, some people I 

581
00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:20,340
think have tried to put the 
journalist banner on as a 

582
00:29:20,350 --> 00:29:22,500
shield, like, no, no, no. 
Cause we saw this in antifa 

583
00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:23,940
rides. 
Oh, I'm a journalist. 

584
00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:26,660
That's why I'm here throwing 
this Molotov cocktail and This 

585
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:28,720
is why I'm I'm being an asshole 
and shooting laser pointers 

586
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:29,860
cops. 
I'm a journalist. 

587
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,560
I happen to be involved in like 
weird activism and rioting. 

588
00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:34,640
But you had done journalism for 
a long time. 

589
00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:36,040
You covered it for me the first 
time. 

590
00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,290
Can you give people a quick 
progression going back to the 

591
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:41,050
early, the early days of the 
Internet and and kind of how 

592
00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:43,670
that progressed into being a 
journalist as one of your sort 

593
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,370
of hobby jobs? 
Yeah, writing has always been a 

594
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,710
passion of mine anyway. 
In fact, in fact I had submitted

595
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,650
and had published articles in 
some music magazines all the way

596
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:55,950
back in the 80s. 
And then when the 90s came 

597
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,190
around and we learned of these 
things called Prodigy and 

598
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,610
CompuServe and AOL, I, you know,
I had a council and all of these

599
00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:07,870
platforms and began to really 
didn't know the way to say it. 

600
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,450
I began to sharpen my sword, 
practise that which I enjoyed. 

601
00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:16,840
Two things that I enjoyed 
passionately were writing in 

602
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:19,230
politics. 
And so those were my hobbies on 

603
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,820
the side, my reading. 
I I was I'm a voracious reader 

604
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:25,580
of all things political, 
historical. 

605
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:30,570
And that that gave me the 
opportunity to start exercising 

606
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:33,760
that muscle. 
Because I, you know, I spent so 

607
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:37,400
many long weeks and months on 
tour buses and and bouncing 

608
00:30:37,410 --> 00:30:40,100
around and travel vans with the 
trailer behind me and that sort 

609
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:43,560
of thing being in this business.
And so I had that time to write 

610
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:45,400
when I was in that those 
circumstances. 

611
00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:49,870
And so this outlet was afforded 
to me during the early 90s. 

612
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,170
And of course all of that 
progressed ultimately to 

613
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:54,470
Myspace. 
Myspace became Facebook. 

614
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:00,290
Facebook became A blog. 
And then and then COVID changed 

615
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,870
everything for me because as I 
said, you know, the first two 

616
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,170
weeks of the of the flattened, 
the curve locked down were 

617
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:09,430
amusing to me. 
I sat on my front porch every 

618
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,580
day with my laptop and my lap 
cigar hanging out of my mouth 

619
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:14,550
and drink sitting on the table 
beside me. 

620
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:17,530
And I I watched the Empty 
because I live near downtown 

621
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:21,500
Raleigh and I just watched the 
empty streets and no traffic. 

622
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:23,900
And I just wrote. 
I wrote about what was happening

623
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:26,780
in real time right there. 
Did did you have the same 

624
00:31:26,790 --> 00:31:28,460
feeling that I did, that it 
would look like a zombie 

625
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:29,960
apocalypse? 
Like it was the beginning, the 

626
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:31,560
beginning scenes of the zombie 
apocalypse. 

627
00:31:31,570 --> 00:31:33,720
Yes, yes, absolutely. 
And I. 

628
00:31:33,730 --> 00:31:36,390
And and of course, you know, you
know what else I had sitting 

629
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,160
beside me, just in case the 
zombies did start coming? 

630
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:40,820
Down, I have to imagine. 
Yeah, right, right. 

631
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:44,270
So, so the that was always there
because I didn't know when they 

632
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,620
would start coming down the 
streets. 

633
00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:47,990
So then two weeks became two 
months. 

634
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,700
And at once. 
We're about two months into 

635
00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:53,050
this. 
I realised, just reading the tea

636
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:58,670
leaves politically and globally,
that this was not going away, 

637
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,100
that this was in fact. 
You know, look, when we talk 

638
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:07,230
about a pandemic, I don't go so 
far as as to read it in the same

639
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,370
way that that movie read it. 
But there was no doubt after two

640
00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:16,070
months that this was in fact a 
concerted effort by global 

641
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,670
forces as a siop on the world to
see how far they could get by 

642
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,320
with this and and and another 
Ropeadope, you know let's see 

643
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:28,260
how far we can go and and they 
they got way too far in my mind.

644
00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:31,740
But the point being is, is that 
a couple months in I decided to 

645
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:36,440
actually I made a conservative 
concerted shift in my thinking 

646
00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:40,460
and I moved that which had been 
basically a hobby for me. 

647
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:44,290
I had never monetized my right. 
I I had, I had articles that 

648
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,980
would go viral that were, you 
know, getting hundreds of 

649
00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:51,400
thousands or or even up into 
over 1,000,000 views and never 

650
00:32:51,410 --> 00:32:56,780
monetized it because it just 
wasn't a I didn't need it and B 

651
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,390
I'm just, you know, old dog new 
tricks, the the whole Internet 

652
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,450
thing is, you know, still still 
confounds me. 

653
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:09,070
But the the point being is that 
I made that decision to make 

654
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,290
that shift and I moved. 
I I switched chairs in my life 

655
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:18,270
and I took the the that music 
thing that had been so vital to 

656
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,590
me since I was child. 
And I put that in the copilot 

657
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,850
seat and I moved the other into 
the captain's chair. 

658
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:27,050
And that was the shift in my 
life. 

659
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:31,110
And that happened early on in 
2020. 

660
00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:34,450
So now you Fast forward a couple
more months and I'm getting 

661
00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:38,800
really antsy because I like to 
be on the road, like to travel. 

662
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:42,140
I I I am one of those people 
that loves to live out of a 

663
00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:43,760
suitcase. 
I would rather live out of a 

664
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:48,100
suitcase than a house, and I 
like being in a different place 

665
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:53,260
every day. 
And so when it it became 

666
00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:55,780
apparent to me that they were 
not going to allow me to go back

667
00:33:55,790 --> 00:33:59,900
to work for some time, I hit the
road and I started organising 

668
00:33:59,910 --> 00:34:02,490
meetups with my blog followers 
all over the country. 

669
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:05,740
I travelled to 28 different 
states during the lockdowns 

670
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:08,420
doing meet up. 
Some of them were like almost 

671
00:34:08,429 --> 00:34:11,139
like Speakeasy type places. 
If we were in a city or or a 

672
00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:13,380
state with severe lockdown 
restrictions and that's how we 

673
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:15,239
handled it, we would meet 
secretly somewhere and 

674
00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:18,250
somebody's home. 
Other places actually would open

675
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:21,230
up the back doors to the bar, 
the restaurant let us in and 

676
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,900
then you know if it had a 
conservative owner or something 

677
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:25,570
like that. 
And then of course when we got 

678
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:30,489
to Texas and Florida, we had no 
problem meeting in in a public 

679
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,989
public venues. 
So it was different everywhere. 

680
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,130
And then it just happened that 
in the process of all of this, 

681
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:41,550
there was an announcement on 
December 19th, 2020 that there 

682
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,250
was going to be this big event 
in DC and President Trump said 

683
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:48,570
it's going to be wild. 
And so I put it on the calendar,

684
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,989
it's part of my travel schedule.
It it was no more complicated to

685
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,909
me than that. 
And I wasn't going there because

686
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,370
I thought that, well, I I 
shouldn't say this. 

687
00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:02,630
I should, I should more 
accurately say this is that I 

688
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,660
did wonder, OK, in this big 
event, is the president really 

689
00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:12,240
going to unleash the Kraken that
we had heard about as it relates

690
00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:14,000
to election fraud or something 
like that? 

691
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:17,460
And I had not written a word 
about election fraud other than 

692
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:20,640
I understood the anomalies. 
And yeah, because I'm pretty 

693
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:23,320
good at math. 
And so there were things that 

694
00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:26,440
I'd seen that I didn't have 
answers for, but I never took a 

695
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:30,800
position on it because, again, 
it's just, it was just not my 

696
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:33,050
thing. 
And I was more focused on COVID 

697
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:34,830
at the time anyway. 
And in fact I was in the middle 

698
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160
of writing a COVID book, the Co 
author when all of this went 

699
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,720
down, when January 16th went 
down and that kicked the you 

700
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:43,460
know the the legs out from under
our book project. 

701
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:48,340
And so actually me and the Co 
author a writer of some esteem 

702
00:35:48,350 --> 00:35:51,460
as I like to refer to him. 
He and I both put it on the 

703
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:54,940
calendar and we went to 
Washington drove up there on the

704
00:35:54,950 --> 00:36:00,540
5th from Raleigh and then showed
up at the Washington Monument 

705
00:36:00,550 --> 00:36:06,440
about 9:30 that morning after 
breakfast and once again another

706
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:11,060
life changing event took place. 
And and it was nothing that I 

707
00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:13,150
expected. 
It was nothing that I planned. 

708
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:16,480
Look I'm I'm not a member of any
militia group. 

709
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:19,780
Never have been don't anticipate
that I ever will be hope that we

710
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:23,420
don't ever enter a time in our 
our our country's life where I 

711
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:26,300
have to join one of those. 
But the point being is, is that 

712
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:29,790
I had, you know, I had no 
associations with Oath Keepers 

713
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,010
or the Proud Boys or the Three 
Percenters or, you know, North 

714
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,410
Carolina militias or anything of
the sort. 

715
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:41,010
I went up there as a journalist 
with my microphone, camera, 

716
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:46,110
tripod and I was gonna do man on
the street interviews after the 

717
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,420
speeches and get impressions 
from the average American, as I 

718
00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:54,530
had been doing travelling to 28 
states before, about all the 

719
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:59,140
things, the speeches. 
If he if, if Trump did unleash 

720
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,730
the Kraken. 
I certainly wanted to get 

721
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:05,890
everybody's impression on that 
and and and quite, quite curious

722
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,250
for me at the time. 
I actually wrote a couple days 

723
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,950
before I went to DC. 
I actually said these words that

724
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,760
I did not anticipate that very 
many people would show up 

725
00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:17,100
because it was you know, it's 
January and it was on a 

726
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:19,440
Wednesday and conservatives 
work. 

727
00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:21,560
You know they don't. 
They don't, they don't bust 

728
00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:26,340
people in paid protesters at 50 
bucks a piece of George Soros 

729
00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:29,200
money for these things. 
And I thought on. 

730
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:30,790
Getting very conspiratorial 
right now. 

731
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,000
We're going to start working 
that way. 

732
00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:35,380
I like it. 
But I just. 

733
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:41,180
I just assumed that it would be 
a moderate gathering, and I had 

734
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:43,480
no idea what I was about to 
witness and see. 

735
00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:48,350
Steve, so I, you know I just did
my quick Google search and we're

736
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:54,780
on day 1375 of 15 days of 
flatten the curb and I you know 

737
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:57,880
I know you covered that pretty 
extensively for for a time 

738
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:59,810
before you transition over the 
January 6th. 

739
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:03,300
So you've you've covered both 
pretty pretty in depth I know 

740
00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:07,780
they're very different but do 
you get a sense just the 30,000 

741
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:13,140
foot view of it that there's an 
overlap of a government 

742
00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:19,000
overreach aspect to it is that 
that's generally my sort of 

743
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:21,740
takeaway. 
It's it's been not saying it 

744
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:24,240
didn't happen not saying that 
there wasn't something that 

745
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:27,200
organically wasn't there. 
And I'm I'm I'm kind of in your 

746
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:29,620
camp where like the pandemic 
thing I get a little bit 

747
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:34,580
cautious about it but I think it
was like let's not let a crisis 

748
00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:37,010
go to waste. 
And that and that to me is where

749
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:41,000
I see the the Kamala Harris men 
diagram overlapping which always

750
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:46,690
gets gets me a little bit up and
nervous about the the enemy of 

751
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:49,380
the state type of government 
that where we've been seeing the

752
00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:51,140
last few years. 
Do you do you see that overlap? 

753
00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:54,780
Yeah, yeah. 
I will tell you that if the 

754
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,600
January 6th event, the alleged 
stolen election etcetera, 

755
00:38:59,610 --> 00:39:03,250
etcetera was the straw that 
broke the camel's back, that led

756
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:05,090
to the rioting that took place 
that day. 

757
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,390
The hey, you know, the the the 
Bale of hay that was already 

758
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,170
there was COVID. 
Because this, this is when you 

759
00:39:13,180 --> 00:39:17,490
go back and you look at things 
again, you can, you can go back 

760
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,950
and and see 2020 through, you 
know, the rearview mirror here 

761
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,420
is that these were people that 
were able to show up for an 

762
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:31,790
event on a Wednesday because how
many of those were out of work? 

763
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,960
I actually said that to my 
colleague that day. 

764
00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:36,710
We were standing out in the 
Washington Monument lawn, you 

765
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,090
know, freezing our asses off, 
waiting for the event, you know,

766
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:40,570
waiting for the speeches to 
begin. 

767
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,570
And I actually, as the crowd was
growing and it was becoming a 

768
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:48,270
spectacle unlike anything I had 
ever seen in my life, I actually

769
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,870
said those words to him. 
I said, do you think that this 

770
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,710
is because these people have are
out of work right now, that they

771
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,090
can come from all over the 
country on a Wednesday? 

772
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,110
And certainly that was true of a
lot of them. 

773
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,180
So there was that there had been
a nearly year long buildup of 

774
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:07,540
incredible frustration over 
psychologically. 

775
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:10,760
I mean this this was this was a 
psychological operation that had

776
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:14,530
been. 
Enacted and had been perpetrated

777
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,930
against all of these people, all
Americans. 

778
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:20,500
And this was the group that was 
most frustrated by it because 

779
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:23,960
they understood and they could 
see what the source was and what

780
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:27,890
the reason behind it was. 
And then the election happened. 

781
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:32,770
And then those people saw that 
3:00 in the morning event where 

782
00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:36,870
the voting was stopped and the 
tabulators stopped running. 

783
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:39,790
And then when they they crawled 
in bed and they woke up the next

784
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,190
morning, everything had flipped 
over the other way and they had 

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,290
never seen that for in their 
life, legitimate or otherwise. 

786
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,230
Real or not. 
I'm, I'm not here to take a side

787
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,890
on that. 
It took me 22 months before me 

788
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,050
personally. 
I actually determined that it 

789
00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:57,930
was in a stolen election and it 
wasn't the vote count itself or 

790
00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:02,050
how that was done. 
It was Mark Zuckerberg on Joe 

791
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:09,570
Rogan saying that he had taken 
the direction from the FBI to 

792
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:14,070
spike, suppress and delete the 
information about Hunter Biden's

793
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,920
laptop. 
And right then I went That's a 

794
00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:22,950
stolen election. 
As far as January 6th goes, I, 

795
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:25,760
and you have obviously covered 
this in in research. 

796
00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:29,310
This more extensively than in 
all of us could probably do in 

797
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,770
in our lifetimes combined. 
I know you've devoted your life 

798
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:37,100
to it for the last three years. 
Here's my sort of general 

799
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:39,060
answer. 
When when I go around and and do

800
00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:41,860
speaking engagements and people 
ask me what my opinion is of 

801
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:45,080
January 6th, me, I I want to see
if if you think that I'm 

802
00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:47,860
tracking the right direction 
here or if I've got this all 

803
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:51,380
wrong, because I've been sort of
typecast as like this January 

804
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:54,650
6th whistleblower where all my 
stuff was right of boom, it was 

805
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:56,920
after the actual incident. 
It was with the FBI's doing 

806
00:41:57,010 --> 00:41:59,010
after the fact that I had a 
problem with. 

807
00:41:59,090 --> 00:42:00,820
But what actually happened that 
day? 

808
00:42:00,890 --> 00:42:04,460
I think that there were 
provocateurs who were there. 

809
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:07,350
Who were you getting the crowd 
ginned up? 

810
00:42:07,420 --> 00:42:09,410
I think there was a Capitol 
police force that was 

811
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:11,710
understaffed and overwhelmed and
under trained. 

812
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,130
I think that there were paid 
informants who were there. 

813
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:17,790
They were trying to push the 
crowd and and and undercovers as

814
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,270
well. 
I think that there were people 

815
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,870
that got caught up in the moment
and did some bad things and 

816
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,110
stupid things. 
And then I think that there was 

817
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,870
a contingency of people who went
there because they were really 

818
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,250
angry about watching the country
burn in 2020 from a bunch of 

819
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,730
avocado toast eating Antifa 
members. 

820
00:42:35,740 --> 00:42:38,440
And they thought, I'm gonna go 
there and I'm gonna crack their 

821
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:40,200
heads and give the beating their
daddy never gave them. 

822
00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:43,960
And then we'll just we'll leave.
And those were the bookkeepers, 

823
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:47,720
Proud Boys. 
And then the largest contingency

824
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:50,360
is is what I call the miracle on
34th St crowd. 

825
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:52,360
And that was the people that 
went there to hear the president

826
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:56,620
speak and then thought, we're 
going to like the letters they 

827
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:59,840
brought into the the judge at 
the end of Miracle on 34th St to

828
00:42:59,850 --> 00:43:02,800
prove that Santa exists. 
We're going to overwhelm the 

829
00:43:02,810 --> 00:43:06,580
Congress with just a show of 
demonstration and we're going to

830
00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:09,470
peacefully walk through the 
capital and that will motivate 

831
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,100
them to say press pause on 
certifying the election. 

832
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:13,840
We need to do an actual audit of
it. 

833
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:16,220
And then as a result of that, 
because there's so much to be 

834
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:20,120
gained from the FBI, they they 
have been caught up in this 

835
00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:24,920
dragnet and and been raked over 
the coals through the process 

836
00:43:24,930 --> 00:43:27,720
becoming the punishment and the 
FBI continuing this case going 

837
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:30,280
on. 
Your reaction to that general 

838
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:33,770
assessment? 
There's absolutely not a single 

839
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:37,360
word. 
You just said that I don't agree

840
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:38,700
with. 
I mean everything you said is 

841
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:42,960
absolutely correct. 
Now which proportion was the was

842
00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:45,720
the most significant towards 
lighting this fire? 

843
00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:50,400
Because that crowd that day was 
in fact very dry tender. 

844
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:53,580
I mean, it was, it was ready to 
be ignited by something. 

845
00:43:53,650 --> 00:43:58,680
And most people, of course, were
nowhere near capable even. 

846
00:43:58,690 --> 00:44:03,640
Look, that crowd was every 
single possible representation 

847
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:05,700
of what America looks like, age 
group. 

848
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:08,220
There were children were babies 
and buggies. 

849
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:12,880
There were barely ambulatory, 
you know, old age pensioners 

850
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:15,020
there. 
Everybody was there. 

851
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:25,350
And there was there was no way 
under any, you know, concept of 

852
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,110
any anybody's imagination that 
what happened was going to 

853
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,740
happen except for that handful, 
as you pointed out, of paid 

854
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:39,780
provocateurs, agitators that 
were placed in the crowd. 

855
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:44,930
And we know that they were there
because Michael Stinger, the 

856
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,350
late Sergeant of arms of the 
Senate and his only Senate 

857
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,330
testimony, he actually said 
these words in his opening 

858
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:53,210
statement. 
He said this is an opportunity 

859
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:58,570
for us to investigate and learn 
who those paid agitators, quote 

860
00:44:58,580 --> 00:45:01,690
unquote, paid agitators were in 
that crowd. 

861
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:06,510
He was never invited again to 
speak before Congress for the 

862
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,970
next year and a half of his 
life. 

863
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:10,970
And he did not die under 
conspiratorial circumstances. 

864
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:13,670
He was not murdered the night 
before he was supposed to 

865
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:15,830
supposed to appear before the 
Senate. 

866
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,830
I mean the House Select 
Committee he had had cancer 

867
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,580
before January 6 and he was in 
failing health and he passed 

868
00:45:22,590 --> 00:45:25,450
away of natural causes a year 
and a half after January 6th. 

869
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:29,850
But the point being is, is that 
even in the months after that 

870
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:32,330
testimony when he was still 
healthy enough to be 

871
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:35,410
interviewed, they did not want 
to hear from this guy because he

872
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:38,580
was willing to speak the truth. 
And so he didn't get the the 

873
00:45:38,590 --> 00:45:41,640
Hillary Clinton suicide himself 
by shooting himself in the back 

874
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:43,360
of the head two times. 
That's. 

875
00:45:43,770 --> 00:45:48,960
Alright, as far as being on the 
ground that day you you you 

876
00:45:48,970 --> 00:45:50,420
describe being there. 
Want to do the man on the 

877
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:51,860
street. 
I know you were freezing your 

878
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:53,170
butt. 
I know I couldn't have been out 

879
00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:55,120
there in the cold. 
I would have been Frozen Ice 

880
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:58,140
Cube. 
Steve turns directly into an 

881
00:45:58,150 --> 00:46:01,480
iguana that just freezes up. 
He falls right off the trees 

882
00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:04,340
like they do in Florida whenever
the temperature drops below 50. 

883
00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:08,250
You've seen that, but yeah, 
differently. 60. 

884
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,510
These brutal Central Florida 
winters are getting me. 

885
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:15,410
Oht man I sent me text. 
Messages sent send send more 

886
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:18,740
hoodies. 
I need the full on the dash to 

887
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:22,210
Expendables Sherpa hoodie he 
sent to me. 

888
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:23,320
I need one. 
Large. 

889
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,110
One in excel so I can wear 2. 
Hold on before you do that, 

890
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,890
Baker, I literally sat in a 
hotel in Houston, TX. 

891
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:32,850
You've been to Houston. 
You know what I'm talking about.

892
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,310
In the summer, lest anyone think
otherwise. 

893
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:38,350
And Steve came down in a North 
Face jacket like a like a 

894
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,550
windbreaker with an insulation 
layer. 

895
00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:42,650
And I went like and I and I 
wanted to wear nothing. 

896
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:44,530
I wanted to be just in Ranger 
panties and I'm like, are you 

897
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:47,020
alright dude? 
And his lips were blue. 

898
00:46:47,890 --> 00:46:49,840
I actually have a video 
interview of him wearing a 

899
00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:52,970
jacket and his lips are blue and
you just go, good God man, are 

900
00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:54,570
you alright? 
Maybe you need to put some. 

901
00:46:54,610 --> 00:46:57,590
He needed a few more almonds. 
He could, he could swap some of 

902
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,720
that body fat with you and me, 
with some of that little put 

903
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:01,920
some of that little thickness on
it. 

904
00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:04,190
And he would be much. 
Safer some layers, some extra 

905
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,980
layers if I could just. 
You guys, you guys are still 

906
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:09,280
dealing with the COVID weight. 
I've I've moved on. 

907
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:13,780
Mine is the suspended 
indefinitely forever without pay

908
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:16,460
weight I think. 
Yeah, it's it's depressed, dad 

909
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:17,520
weight. 
Yeah. 

910
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:23,330
So Steve, being there that day, 
can you just give a a general 

911
00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:27,090
timeline of you you were at the 
speech, then you moved over and 

912
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:30,480
then you you eventually what 
into the capital, like how long 

913
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:33,290
do you think you were inside? 
I'm just sort of a general 

914
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,610
timeline of what we're looking 
at because obviously you're now 

915
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:38,960
a domestic terrorist who's going
to have to surrender to the 

916
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:41,790
United States government for the
insurrection you committed. 

917
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,230
I I guess we're guessing, since 
they won't tell you the charge, 

918
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,890
What's your general timeline 
from January 6 that you did from

919
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:49,730
showing up till when you went 
back to the hotel? 

920
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,020
Yeah the the quick elevator 
description of that is is that 

921
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:56,230
as I said, we arrived about 9:30
that morning at the Washington 

922
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,780
Monument lawn. 
We tried to get into the ellipse

923
00:47:58,790 --> 00:48:02,780
but the the crowd size was just 
it was just impenetrable, could 

924
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:06,360
not move as we tried to get 
closer to the staging. 

925
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:09,020
So we retreated back to the 
Washington Monument. 

926
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:12,170
I've written about this 
extensively. 

927
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:14,850
The production values that day 
for such a large event. 

928
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:17,150
They they, they themselves were 
caught off guard. 

929
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,150
I don't know if you know this, 
but I think the very first 

930
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,350
permit that was acquired by the 
Park Service for the organisers 

931
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,290
of that event only got a permit 
for 15,000 people. 

932
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,050
And then two or three days 
before they they ramped that up 

933
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:35,910
to about 30,000 people. 
And then what ended up showing 

934
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,930
up was hundreds of thousands of 
people. 

935
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,910
And so they just were not 
prepared. 

936
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,720
The PA, the video, none of that 
was where it should have been. 

937
00:48:43,850 --> 00:48:48,080
And so as a result of that, by 
the time it was about halfway 

938
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:51,020
through Trump speech and he was 
an hour late getting to the 

939
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:52,840
stage, you know, let's just 
start there. 

940
00:48:52,850 --> 00:48:55,940
He he was supposed to start 
speaking at 11:00 AM. 

941
00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:59,520
He didn't take the stage till 
11:57 AM. 

942
00:48:59,530 --> 00:49:02,190
So he was an hour late taking 
the stage. 

943
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:05,820
And and so about halfway through
his speech, we realised that the

944
00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:08,870
Kraken was in fact not going to 
be unleashed. 

945
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,610
We were aware of the other 
permitted events that were 

946
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:14,730
taking place at the Capitol. 
Thousands of people were already

947
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:17,210
peeling off from the crowd and 
starting to move that way. 

948
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:20,830
And so my colleague and I 
decided to start our March over 

949
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,050
there by ourselves as well and 
get get a jump on that early, 

950
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:27,230
get posted up over there 
somewhere where we could see 

951
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:31,080
what was going on there. 
And so we were both in pretty 

952
00:49:31,090 --> 00:49:33,710
good shape for, you know, our 
our collective ages. 

953
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,000
And so we began. 
They just saw you dancing, they 

954
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:37,350
know. 
Right, right. 

955
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:40,120
So we and I was still. 
I was still in my Bowie weight 

956
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:45,280
at the time because I had lost 
60 lbs to to do that Bowie 

957
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:47,310
tribute act. 
Cause you know, Bowie was never 

958
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,390
heavy and. 
By the way, I don't think Ryan 

959
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,160
knew much about, like, the way 
that Bowie used to present 

960
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:55,290
himself on stage and stuff. 
Some people have heard the songs

961
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:57,900
but have never seen like a bow. 
He's like, does Steve have 

962
00:49:57,910 --> 00:50:00,420
eyeliner on? 
And I'm like, oh, you're going 

963
00:50:00,430 --> 00:50:02,460
to get a little intro to Bowie 
right now. 

964
00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:07,710
Bowie was a character. 
So, so I had. 

965
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,760
I had. 
So we anyway, we walked. 

966
00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:13,510
We marched over there very, very
quickly, briskly trying to warm 

967
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,650
up for one thing and and when we
got to the reflection pool on 

968
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:21,750
the West side, I we just before 
we arrived we could hear the 

969
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,100
sirens arriving. 
Not knowing that that was you 

970
00:50:24,110 --> 00:50:27,750
know cars after car after van 
after van after van of MPD. 

971
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,430
Officers met DC Metro police 
arriving to support whatever was

972
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,160
already happening. 
We didn't know what was 

973
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:36,480
happening there, but he had 
already begun because the first 

974
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:40,050
breach was at 12:52 on that W 
Terrace barricade. 

975
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:41,350
That was the first time, you 
know. 

976
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,280
That was where Ray Epps leaned 
down and he whispered something.

977
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:47,640
And Ryan Sampson's ear. 
And execute, execute, execute. 

978
00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:50,330
Is not a drill. 
Yeah. 

979
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:54,070
And then two seconds later he 
threw himself into the barricade

980
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,510
and knocked over Officer Carolyn
Edwards. 

981
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,850
She falls over, she hits her 
head on the concrete step. 

982
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,670
This is first Blood right there.
And and then of course they all 

983
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,930
ran forward to the next fencing 
and and by the and then that 

984
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:11,290
next fencing was collapsed. 
And guess who was at the breach 

985
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:13,890
point of that. 
The actual breach point was none

986
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:17,470
other than Ray Epps. 
And then, yes, that's correct. 

987
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:21,430
We have seen the videos. 
And so then they go up to the 

988
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,920
terrace itself. 
The police officers retreat. 

989
00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:29,640
They form a third line on the 
terrace and begin bringing more 

990
00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:31,410
bike rack over. 
And that's where they 

991
00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:34,140
established a line for about the
next hour and a half. 

992
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:37,840
And so I arrived at the 
reflection pool, hearing the 

993
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:42,000
sirens, seeing gas. 
I assumed it had to be, you 

994
00:51:42,010 --> 00:51:45,160
know, tear gas of some sort. 
And then I could hear 

995
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:47,660
flashbangs. 
And I looked at my colleague and

996
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:49,300
I said, well, that's where we're
going. 

997
00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:52,050
And we broke out in a Sprint. 
They ran up the steps, got to 

998
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:55,530
the before the, before the crowd
was of any, you know, huge size 

999
00:51:55,540 --> 00:51:57,370
like you're seeing in these 
images here right now. 

1000
00:51:57,380 --> 00:52:03,680
It had not developed to that 
capacity yet, but the so I was 

1001
00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:06,040
able to get right up to the 
frontline, turn the camera on at

1002
00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:09,800
exactly 1:19 PM. 
The first thing that I captured 

1003
00:52:09,850 --> 00:52:13,390
on my camera was people getting 
first aid on both sides of the 

1004
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600
line. 
And I went, oh, something's 

1005
00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:20,530
going on here. 
I spent the next hour filming on

1006
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:26,020
the West Front Battle lines and 
then I saw with my own eyes what

1007
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:30,290
I described in my FBI interview 
as I described it as a stand 

1008
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:32,540
down order. 
I later learned once I got 

1009
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:35,640
access to the Capital Police 
radio coms that it was a 

1010
00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:37,740
pullback. 
It was an actual pullback order,

1011
00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:41,890
give or take a few minutes 
either side of 2:00 PM And then 

1012
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,770
the line collapsed. 
Not every one of those officers,

1013
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:47,090
not everyone of the Capitol 
Police officers, heard that pull

1014
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,650
back on their radio because they
couldn't hear the crowd noises. 

1015
00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:52,770
And we're just, you know, so 
intense outside the singing, the

1016
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:55,450
chanting, just the noise of the 
by then there was, you know, 

1017
00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:58,990
thousands and thousands of 
people pressing up on that line 

1018
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,910
so they couldn't possibly hear 
that. 

1019
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,970
But the police line did finally 
collapse on the outer edges. 

1020
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:08,170
As we all know the the the next 
thing that happened was that 

1021
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:11,310
Northwest, what they called the 
Senate wing Dord was breached. 

1022
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,010
The windows were busted in. 
Some of the riders went through 

1023
00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:16,750
those windows. 
They started opening up the 

1024
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,650
doors when they opened up the 
door there at the Senate wing. 

1025
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:23,300
Then hundreds of people began to
swarm throughout the capital and

1026
00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:26,530
began to go and open all the 
other doors from the inside. 

1027
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:29,710
We can address conspiracy 
theories here in a moment if we 

1028
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,410
want to, but. 
Before you do that, Steve, can I

1029
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:35,020
can I just interject a question 
about because I know you've 

1030
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:37,350
dealt with a lot of Capitol 
Police officers and sort of 

1031
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,070
whistleblower sort of format and
I know people have basically 

1032
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,610
come to you and told stories. 
Do you get the impression that 

1033
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:46,640
they are well trained to handle 
riotous crowds? 

1034
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:49,060
Is that something that's within 
the US Capitol Police sort of 

1035
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:52,300
capability set? 
The, the capital police 

1036
00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:55,850
themselves have many divisions 
like so many other law 

1037
00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:58,760
enforcement agencies do. 
They have everything from what 

1038
00:53:58,770 --> 00:54:03,920
would be, you know considered a 
swat like a team to their CDU 

1039
00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:06,060
which is civil disturbance 
units. 

1040
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:09,180
That's the guys that wear the 
RoboCop looking, you know, hard 

1041
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:10,840
gear and. 
That's the right that's the 

1042
00:54:10,850 --> 00:54:12,200
riot. 
Guys, the riot gear. 

1043
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,570
What about the general? 
You know, I call him National 

1044
00:54:15,580 --> 00:54:17,500
Mall cops. 
I'm not nearly as nice about 

1045
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:20,730
National or about Capitol Police
as you are because I didn't have

1046
00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:22,560
a favourable dealing with them 
when I saw them. 

1047
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,010
But does the general officer who
was out there, who's getting the

1048
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:30,450
crap beat out of them, Do they 
have riot training that you saw 

1049
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,340
OK, because the FBI would be 
terrible at it too, by the way. 

1050
00:54:33,350 --> 00:54:36,370
Like an investigative agency, 
doing crowd control is like a 

1051
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:39,430
disaster there's no doubt about.
That and and certainly they all 

1052
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,970
receive some level of probably 
classroom time on that. 

1053
00:54:43,070 --> 00:54:45,440
But certainly when I got there, 
when I got the line, the first 

1054
00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:50,120
thing that I captured in my my 
camera was a line of unprepared 

1055
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:54,630
young capital police officers 
who had no gear, no protective 

1056
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,040
gear whatsoever. 
They had no hard helmets on, 

1057
00:54:57,130 --> 00:55:02,120
they had no gas masks, they had 
no protective gear whatsoever 

1058
00:55:02,190 --> 00:55:04,760
and they were scared out of 
their minds. 

1059
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:07,410
I saw absolute fear. 
And then when I ran those 

1060
00:55:07,420 --> 00:55:10,120
getting my camera back and I 
started doing frame by frame, 

1061
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:12,640
you could see the palpable fear 
in their eyes. 

1062
00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:19,160
And then as I'm watching that I 
I actually tried to put myself 

1063
00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:24,090
in their position and then not 
knowing what was coming. 

1064
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,520
Yeah, and. 
And how can you blame them? 

1065
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:27,690
Do you remember the movie 
Demolition Man was the? 

1066
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:30,670
Yes, absolutely. 
The the as you were describing 

1067
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,800
that that scene in which I think
I've actually played on the show

1068
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:34,590
before. 
Actually I know I've showed it 

1069
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,230
but it's like a guy walks up, 
he's a police officer. 

1070
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:38,850
He's got the uniform he looks 
the part. 

1071
00:55:38,860 --> 00:55:40,130
But he has no experience in 
this. 

1072
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:41,980
He's never had any training. 
He looks into his comp set and 

1073
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:45,830
he said you know Maniac is 
assaulting you know computer 

1074
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,270
terminal advise and it goes 
firmly tell Maniac to put the 

1075
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,860
you know put his hands on the 
ground and it goes like Maniac 

1076
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:56,520
refused and through an insult 
you know it says you know add or

1077
00:55:56,530 --> 00:55:58,890
else at the end of the next 
command and that kind of thing. 

1078
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:01,580
And you get the idea that they 
were just like holy crap, they 

1079
00:56:01,590 --> 00:56:03,350
probably had a PowerPoint 
presentation. 

1080
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,120
That said firmly put your hand 
up and say stop citizen, do not 

1081
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:08,350
approach me or some some 
horrible thing like. 

1082
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,280
That Kyle, we heard this on 
United States Capitol Police 

1083
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:15,100
radio coms. 
OK, this actually happened. 

1084
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:18,440
This is the famous scene where 
Lieutenant Taric Johnson, he had

1085
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:22,200
heard a distress call. 
There was in fact a distress 

1086
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,430
call from a unit of our platoon 
of officers who considered 

1087
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,800
themselves to be in a dangerous 
situation. 

1088
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:34,780
They put out a distress call, 
the operational command, you 

1089
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:37,740
know operator up in the command 
centre, ask them what they 

1090
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:41,460
needed basically finally told 
them that we have FBI and ATF 

1091
00:56:41,470 --> 00:56:44,800
tactical units in the building 
will try and see if we can send 

1092
00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:47,380
them your way and and help you 
get out of this situation that 

1093
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:50,620
you're in. 
And so immediately Tart Johnson 

1094
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:54,650
took the, the, the comms and he 
said, where are you and him. 

1095
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:58,800
Then he ordered the FBI and ATF 
to meet him at the South 

1096
00:56:58,810 --> 00:57:00,770
barricade there. 
And then from there he would 

1097
00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:03,010
lead them toward these 
distressed officers were. 

1098
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,170
But in the interim, Carrick went
on the radio, spoke directly to 

1099
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:10,830
the officer who called this in. 
His call sign was motor 13. 

1100
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:13,830
All right. 
And and so this is a motor. 

1101
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,170
This is, you know, so this is, 
this is a motorcycle cop, right?

1102
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:18,620
He's inside the building doing 
stuff. 

1103
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:21,030
He has no idea what he's doing. 
Right. 

1104
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:24,900
That's literally dressed the 
same way as the as the people 

1105
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:27,580
from from from Demolition Man. 
They were all motor cops by the 

1106
00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:28,510
way. 
They had those motorcycle 

1107
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,190
jackets. 
It's such a good he called, he 

1108
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,370
calls in this distress call, and
Tarek Johnson, Lieutenant 

1109
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:35,190
Parkinson says to him over the 
air. 

1110
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:39,990
He says just be nice to them, 
tell them that you're on their 

1111
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,510
side. 
You know he's he's trying to 

1112
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,030
coach them through cause he'd 
been moved. 

1113
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:46,010
Johnson had been moving through 
the crowd freely for, you know, 

1114
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,410
two hours at this point and and 
so and so he just be nice to 

1115
00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:52,540
them. 
They'll let you out. 

1116
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:55,790
And the guy goes, no, we've 
already, we've already tried 

1117
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,480
that. 
This is an officer safety 

1118
00:57:57,550 --> 00:57:59,380
situation. 
We're not moving until we get 

1119
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:02,020
help. 
And so then Tark executed his 

1120
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:05,470
what became the famous 
recruiting of two Oath Keepers 

1121
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,670
to help him go get those sixteen
officers out of whatever danger 

1122
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,660
that they perceive themselves to
be in. 

1123
00:58:10,850 --> 00:58:14,820
But these guys that they think 
about this, these guys that they

1124
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:18,820
extracted from the building, 
from inside the building, I have

1125
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:23,790
now seen the videos. 
They were only in a place by the

1126
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,770
time they exited. 
They were surrounded about by 

1127
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:31,970
about 50 other uniformed 
officers but not in hard gear. 

1128
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,090
But those hard gear guys wanted 
the hell out of that building. 

1129
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,930
So you you have to see the body 
language and we are, we are 

1130
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:39,930
going to show this. 
This is part of what we have 

1131
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:44,010
harvested from capital CCTV. 
They wanted out of there so bad 

1132
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,950
that when Tarik and those two 
oathkeeper came up and got the 

1133
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,760
door open on the east side, 
because they had already 

1134
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:51,670
successfully closed it up, the 
police had. 

1135
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,300
But when they got them to reopen
the door, let them in, those 

1136
00:58:54,310 --> 00:58:57,740
hard units wanted out. 
They wanted out bad and they 

1137
00:58:57,750 --> 00:59:01,710
actually left a situation where 
it was just them and cops and 

1138
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,070
they exited into a crowd of 
thousands of protesters. 

1139
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:08,300
This makes no sense to me 
whatsoever when you look at it 

1140
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:11,520
from both sides, from cameras, 
from both sides of the of that 

1141
00:59:11,530 --> 00:59:14,330
doorway and it's something I'm 
going to figure out and I am 

1142
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:16,480
doing interviews right now to 
figure that out. 

1143
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:19,500
But but this was very much like 
that demolition. 

1144
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:20,250
It. 
It was. 

1145
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:25,590
It was just no you, the officers
were calling in, what do we do? 

1146
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,010
And then you start hearing, 
we'll do this, do this, do this,

1147
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:31,570
do this, respond in this way. 
Approach maniac and firm tone of

1148
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:33,930
voice. 
Say we're on your side. 

1149
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,220
That's exactly right. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1150
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:38,280
The sad thing is that people 
have gotten so locked up at that

1151
00:59:38,290 --> 00:59:41,380
point that they they had no 
training to fall back on. 

1152
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:43,540
That's the real scary thing, I 
think, for for anybody who's 

1153
00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:45,910
been in law enforcement. 
But if you go back to the West 

1154
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,390
tariffs when I, as I was talking
about earlier when I tried to 

1155
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,270
put myself in the position in 
the mindset and and right and so

1156
00:59:53,280 --> 01:00:00,070
you you asked me this last time 
Kyle you said you know you know 

1157
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,930
where where are these skills 
coming from or something to that

1158
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:07,730
nature as far as my whatever 
investigative abilities that I 

1159
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:09,910
have an instance that I have. 
Yeah, go. 

1160
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,040
Ahead and my father was a 
private investigator for many 

1161
01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:17,070
years and very accomplished in 
that way. 

1162
01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:20,550
He actually was able to find 
many miss. 

1163
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,090
His specialty was missing 
persons and he was able to find 

1164
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:27,070
and locate missing persons that 
the FBI had basically gone cold 

1165
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:32,870
on had had had quit looking for 
and and but my dad had what I 

1166
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,210
would call that profiler ability
that you know that thing that 

1167
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,190
some people have is just a gift 
and and it's a thing that can't 

1168
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,950
be trained. 
I don't know if they, I don't 

1169
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,510
know if you know you guys former
agency if that was something 

1170
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,170
that anybody ever tried to train
you on. 

1171
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,350
But the point being is is he 
could do that when he was 

1172
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,070
looking for somebody. 
My dad could lock himself in his

1173
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,200
office, whether it was for three
days or just three hours, and 

1174
01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:00,770
this was way before the 
Internet. 

1175
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,550
He didn't have an Internet to 
use to click and search and do 

1176
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,500
that sort of thing. 
But when my dad exited that 

1177
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:09,860
office, he knew where that 
person was and probably had 

1178
01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:13,820
already had them on the phone. 
That person that had not been 

1179
01:01:13,830 --> 01:01:16,620
found in months or years or 
whatever the case may be. 

1180
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:18,900
Have you ever seen the movie 0 
Effect? 

1181
01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:21,490
Oh yeah. 
I'm doing Steve Friend's movie 

1182
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:23,740
references, since that's an 
American Radicals thing. 

1183
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:26,120
You guys don't know this, but if
you watch, if you watch the 

1184
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:28,110
Amrad, you know that there's 
movie references that are 

1185
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:29,900
required. 
And so there's a movie called 0 

1186
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:32,120
Effect. 
Was your dad basically Darrell 

1187
01:01:32,130 --> 01:01:35,520
Zero? 
Did he, was he without the 

1188
01:01:35,610 --> 01:01:37,740
craziness? 
Could he literally just sit and 

1189
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:40,030
kind of work his way through the
the mental thing, which was, by 

1190
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,560
the way, that was based on 
Sherlock Holmes? 

1191
01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:44,210
So yeah, it makes sense that 
that would be the world's 

1192
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:45,330
greatest investigative mind 
type. 

1193
01:01:45,340 --> 01:01:49,030
Thing part of that is is is once
what he would do is he would he 

1194
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,530
would get the entire bio in the 
on the individual from his 

1195
01:01:52,540 --> 01:01:55,030
family from what the police 
files were the FBI files 

1196
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,830
whatever the case may be. 
He would get the entire profile 

1197
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,380
on that individual just, you 
know, basic investigative work. 

1198
01:02:01,390 --> 01:02:04,650
You gotta, you know, you got, 
you got your folder your and and

1199
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:08,050
then he would put himself into 
the mindset of that person and 

1200
01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:11,530
he would descend into whatever 
he had to descend into to 

1201
01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:13,530
become. 
What would this person do? 

1202
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:17,990
Where would this person go? 
Where Mikey had hidden himself, 

1203
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,910
Where might he have retreated, 
who might be helping him, who 

1204
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,850
might be hiding him? 
All of these things. 

1205
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,690
And and lo and behold, like I 
said, whether it was 3 hours or 

1206
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,790
three days when he came out of 
office, out of his office, he 

1207
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,150
knew where that person was. 
And and so I'm not saying that I

1208
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,610
have anything close to the 
extent of that gift that my dad 

1209
01:02:35,620 --> 01:02:38,980
had. 
But when I started looking at 

1210
01:02:38,990 --> 01:02:41,900
these videos of the Capitol 
Police, it was, you know, it's 

1211
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:44,990
been very easy to impune them 
for all the reasons that we 

1212
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,730
know. 
As we said, you know, glorified 

1213
01:02:46,740 --> 01:02:51,950
mall cops, glorified security 
guards, you know, basically in 

1214
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,910
some cases glorified tour guides
because they're standing around 

1215
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,470
on their post and somebody comes
up, you know, all day long, 

1216
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,200
excuse me, Sir, where's the 
restroom? 

1217
01:03:00,210 --> 01:03:02,290
And they spend their, you know, 
20 years of their career 

1218
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:04,590
pointing where the men's. 
Room, I don't say it to be mean,

1219
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,610
but they really are. 
They're National Mall cops. 

1220
01:03:06,620 --> 01:03:09,330
They're on the National Mall, 
which you experienced on that 

1221
01:03:09,340 --> 01:03:13,810
day and and they're cops in sort
of name only in a lot of ways. 

1222
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,050
Is they don't. 
They certainly don't have the 

1223
01:03:17,060 --> 01:03:22,100
problems at the frequency or at 
the level that the DC Metro cops

1224
01:03:22,110 --> 01:03:24,560
have to deal with, because those
are the street brawlers out 

1225
01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:25,840
there. 
They're having to deal with 

1226
01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:28,500
these riots, you know, all over 
the city. 

1227
01:03:28,570 --> 01:03:30,700
Yeah, like almost daily DC Metro
PD. 

1228
01:03:30,790 --> 01:03:33,380
If you've ever seen the DC Metro
riot squad, I'm sure you've seen

1229
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:34,600
it. 
But those guys are all, they 

1230
01:03:34,610 --> 01:03:37,630
look like they came, you know, 
they they didn't make it in the 

1231
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,280
NFL. 
They failed out of the column of

1232
01:03:39,290 --> 01:03:40,880
the combine. 
But they're big enough to be, 

1233
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,840
you know, they could have been 
ad line somewhere. 

1234
01:03:42,850 --> 01:03:44,880
And then you get out there and 
when you see like a bunch of 

1235
01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:46,860
like little girls with purple 
hair, like yelling at them and 

1236
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:49,490
stuff and they've got the 
Spartan shield and the the four 

1237
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:52,910
foot or the six foot baton, then
you just go like those dudes are

1238
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,410
here to fight. 
Like they look like they're 

1239
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:55,420
probably good at it too. 
I don't. 

1240
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:57,590
And they have body armour. 
They could covers like their 

1241
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,150
joints. 
It's not, it doesn't look like a

1242
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,050
thing where like I think I'm 
gonna go tangle with that guy 

1243
01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:03,870
and see how it comes out. 
It's not going to be good. 

1244
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,810
But the average cop is like 
standing around there in a 

1245
01:04:06,820 --> 01:04:09,440
uniform that's made of polyester
and probably has fake buttons 

1246
01:04:09,450 --> 01:04:12,000
and zips up and all the things 
that, you know, kind of mall 

1247
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:15,210
copy things go and just. 
Yeah, so we know. 

1248
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:18,470
But we know from so many 
testimonials, not only 

1249
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,500
whistleblowers, not only unnamed
sources, but in trial 

1250
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:24,540
testimonies, that these 
frontline cops, what they call 

1251
01:04:24,550 --> 01:04:30,120
their first responders Unit 
units, they had no idea what was

1252
01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:32,860
coming their way that day. 
And they they got no morning 

1253
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:35,000
briefings, by the way. 
And this is another big lie that

1254
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:36,840
Officer Harry Dunn told in his 
book. 

1255
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,220
This is, this is phenomenal. 
We cannot wait to show I'm in 

1256
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:41,610
fact, I'm giving everybody 
you're getting, you're getting 

1257
01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:45,750
a, you're getting breaking. 
What's that? 

1258
01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:47,610
I will sneak peek. 
I was gonna have Ryan bring up 

1259
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:49,460
our our our article number one 
that you sent over here. 

1260
01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:51,800
This is the analysis showing. 
Did he did he perjure himself? 

1261
01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:53,890
He can throw this up at column. 
Folks, you should go look to. 

1262
01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:58,690
So Officer Harry Dunn, who we've
already done a couple of videos 

1263
01:04:58,700 --> 01:05:03,050
on, we're we're we're about to 
start rolling out a two part 

1264
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:07,110
series on A day in the life of 
Officer Dunn as a capital police

1265
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,290
officer on January 6th. 
And so he has not only 

1266
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:12,990
congressional testimony, trial 
testimonies, but obviously his 

1267
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,470
book came out in October as 
well. 

1268
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,260
So we have everything he said 
that he did that day. 

1269
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:19,750
And we're going to show you that
every single thing that he said 

1270
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,890
that did he did that day was a 
lie by the video evidence. 

1271
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:27,840
Not by my opinion, not by what I
think or what you know. 

1272
01:05:27,850 --> 01:05:32,430
I want to because I I didn't set
out to impune this man, but he 

1273
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,640
got me started on this 
investigation because I knew 

1274
01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:37,710
that he was lying in the in the 
Oath Keepers trial. 

1275
01:05:38,180 --> 01:05:44,670
And so the one thing that is 
absolutely incredible is in his 

1276
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,850
book he specifically talks about
how he arrived at the Capitol at

1277
01:05:47,860 --> 01:05:50,730
6:30 that morning. 
Very detailed, very specifically

1278
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,130
the specific. 
And then roughly 7:00 they begin

1279
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:59,450
gathering for their morning roll
call briefing and he says that 

1280
01:05:59,460 --> 01:06:04,090
this was a very unusual morning.
Something was up because they 

1281
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:06,630
usually are all separate and 
they have their little small 

1282
01:06:06,690 --> 01:06:09,380
meetings with their different 
platoons and units and that sort

1283
01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:11,190
of thing. 
But instead they had a large 

1284
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,040
gathering in the big theatre 
where and again, Kyle, you you 

1285
01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:19,370
just, you cannot believe how 
specific this is. 

1286
01:06:20,550 --> 01:06:25,140
So they all gathered in this 
huge theatre where the people 

1287
01:06:25,150 --> 01:06:27,180
that visit the cap, you know, 
tourists, where they visit, 

1288
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:29,500
where they get their kind of 
orientation and they're showing 

1289
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:31,850
a film real about the history of
the capital and that sort of 

1290
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:34,020
thing before they take the tour.
And it's a big theatre. 

1291
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:37,200
And so they had all the cops in 
that theatre that this morning 

1292
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:45,330
for this important but briefing,
roll call briefing and that they

1293
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:47,700
were going to need to go get 
their helmets and all these 

1294
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:48,840
other things. 
They're all kind of looking at 

1295
01:06:48,850 --> 01:06:51,520
each other like, Oh my gosh, you
know, what's going on happened 

1296
01:06:51,530 --> 01:06:53,280
today. 
And he said he talked about how 

1297
01:06:53,290 --> 01:06:55,520
unusual that was. 
And in his thirteen years of 

1298
01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:59,260
being with the Capitol Police 
that that that level of 

1299
01:06:59,270 --> 01:07:01,370
preparedness had never happened 
before. 

1300
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:06,810
He's saying this in his book. 
So my second time in the capital

1301
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:10,520
CC TV viewing room as we're kind
of I'd already harvested most of

1302
01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:13,150
the day in the life of Harry 
Dunne at this point on my own. 

1303
01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:15,670
But now I had two Blaze analysts
with me and we were going 

1304
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,720
through that and we started 
cleaning up around the edges. 

1305
01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:21,790
And so I I coached one of the 
analysts to go and start looking

1306
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,990
at his testimonial early in the 
day instead of from those hours 

1307
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,040
from 1:00 to 3:00, you know, run
to five when all the, you know, 

1308
01:07:29,050 --> 01:07:33,280
the the ruckus was going on. 
And so it just so happens that 

1309
01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:37,360
that's theatre that he describes
in his book has two CCTV cameras

1310
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:40,120
inside that theatre. 
Of course it does. 

1311
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:44,580
How many cops do you think 
gathered in that theatre that 

1312
01:07:44,590 --> 01:07:47,670
morning? 
It's supposed to be all of them,

1313
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,100
right? 
Supposed to be all of them. 

1314
01:07:49,150 --> 01:07:50,580
Yeah, so probably almost none of
them. 

1315
01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:52,410
How about 0? 
Yeah, have the people who are 

1316
01:07:52,420 --> 01:07:54,720
cleaning it, maybe the. 
Cleaning I make, I made. 

1317
01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:58,860
I made one of my analysts watch 
that video, those two cameras, 

1318
01:07:59,210 --> 01:08:04,400
for a couple of hours. 
He watched it from 6:30 in the 

1319
01:08:04,410 --> 01:08:08,310
morning all the way till past 
9:00 in the morning on January 

1320
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,210
6, then watched all of the 
cameras in the exterior 

1321
01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:14,510
hallways. 
And then there's two more small 

1322
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,490
theatres. 
So just in case, you know, 

1323
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,670
Dunn's brain was Swiss cheese 
from all the, you know, the 

1324
01:08:20,729 --> 01:08:23,450
events of the day that he got 
the theatre wrong. 

1325
01:08:23,540 --> 01:08:26,550
So we watched the hallways on 
the outside of those other two, 

1326
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:30,670
and we didn't see a single cop 
in that area until a hard unit 

1327
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:35,210
walks by with their duffel bags 
was full of gear at about 9:30, 

1328
01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:37,630
and they walked through past one
of the hallway cameras. 

1329
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,149
There was no meeting. 
And he this is this is the level

1330
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,330
of deception that these guys are
willing to execute and willing 

1331
01:08:45,340 --> 01:08:50,350
to tell about their experiences 
on January 6, when we have now 

1332
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:53,670
access to the truth in the video
itself. 

1333
01:08:54,670 --> 01:08:57,330
Yeah. 
Steve, you got done that day. 

1334
01:08:57,340 --> 01:08:59,529
And then I know I've heard you 
talk about this before where 

1335
01:08:59,540 --> 01:09:01,630
you, you kind of went back to 
your hotel room and started 

1336
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,410
looking at your footage and and 
realised that the narrative that

1337
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:08,330
was immediately and instantly 
being put out on mainstream 

1338
01:09:08,340 --> 01:09:10,149
media was just not what you were
seeing. 

1339
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,580
And that would sort of what 
tickled your interest into 

1340
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:16,750
digging into this. 
How quickly after January 6th 

1341
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,450
were you actually in 
communication with the FBI? 

1342
01:09:20,750 --> 01:09:25,330
It took them six months before 
they ever reached out to me. 

1343
01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:29,260
You know, I know of other 
independent journalists who 

1344
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:31,310
trying to get ahead of this 
themselves. 

1345
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,160
They called the FBI and offered 
their footage and said hey, if 

1346
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:36,710
you, you know, I was there. 
I got all this footage in case 

1347
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,020
you need it for your 
investigation. 

1348
01:09:38,029 --> 01:09:40,120
So I'm happy to provide that for
you. 

1349
01:09:40,330 --> 01:09:43,370
I didn't do that. 
I I went and actually shocked 

1350
01:09:43,380 --> 01:09:47,399
myself away for five days and 
did frame by frame analysis of 

1351
01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:49,620
my own video and then started 
writing my story. 

1352
01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:54,370
I published my first story, what
I saw on January 6 on the 13th, 

1353
01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:58,880
and that was a 9500 word screed.
But it was just basically what I

1354
01:09:58,890 --> 01:10:02,550
saw that day. 
No, no complicated analysis. 

1355
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,550
I saved that for about 6 weeks 
later when I put out my second 

1356
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:11,290
story, which was entitled Who 
Was up the Chain on January 6th?

1357
01:10:11,380 --> 01:10:14,500
Because by then I had already 
been doing interviews and had 

1358
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:18,470
begun doing and uncovering the 
kinds of things that I realised 

1359
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,890
There was something more going 
on here that day than just a 

1360
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:25,350
spontaneous by it. 
And so I didn't get a call from 

1361
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,150
the FBI until July of 21. 
And it was Agent Special Agent 

1362
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,710
Garrett Doss. 
He calls me about 10:00 one 

1363
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,250
morning. 
He introduces himself and he 

1364
01:10:35,260 --> 01:10:37,770
says, hey, this is FBI And the 
first thing I said to him. 

1365
01:10:37,780 --> 01:10:40,010
And I said, hey, what took you 
so long? 

1366
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,720
And he laughed. 
And then he said, look, we see 

1367
01:10:42,730 --> 01:10:46,250
that you're going to be speaking
on an event in Reston, VA, you 

1368
01:10:46,260 --> 01:10:48,980
know, just outside of DC 
tomorrow night. 

1369
01:10:49,140 --> 01:10:51,310
And was just wondering if you 
were going to be in town a 

1370
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,660
little earlier in the day and 
you could sit down with a couple

1371
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:56,590
of our guys and, you know, talk 
about your experiences on 

1372
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,350
January 6th. 
And I said, yeah, as a matter of

1373
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,160
fact I am gonna be in town 
early, I said. 

1374
01:11:02,170 --> 01:11:05,280
But unfortunately my attorney 
won't be able to be there. 

1375
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:06,240
Yeah. 
Oh. 

1376
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:07,340
I love it. 
I love it. 

1377
01:11:07,460 --> 01:11:11,250
That's I mean I you would think 
you're you're naivete at that 

1378
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:14,490
point maybe would have convinced
you that they were an objective 

1379
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:17,210
force for good. 
But I'm glad that the the Ron 

1380
01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:20,210
Paul in you said that that was a
warning sign. 

1381
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:25,390
Well, that look, I've had, I've 
had plenty of of training in 

1382
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,270
that regard, you know, being 
being a Libertarian and we're 

1383
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:33,530
probably a little bit more in 
tune with how to handle those 

1384
01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:36,230
situations than most Americans 
are. 

1385
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:39,570
But the point is. 
Is that pieces, had you written 

1386
01:11:39,580 --> 01:11:41,610
after that? 
No, six months after, do you, I 

1387
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:44,290
mean, I imagine they probably 
got you on geofence or something

1388
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,270
like that, but maybe maybe 
you're on the radar because you 

1389
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,560
have been writing about it and 
putting footage out there. 

1390
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:51,040
How many pieces do you think 
you'd actually offered? 

1391
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,720
I I don't know how many pieces I
had authored. 

1392
01:11:54,730 --> 01:11:56,670
It had to be in the dozens by 
then. 

1393
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:01,710
But also then there was just the
at at that time I was primarily 

1394
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,430
just doing my blog as well as 
most of my work was on on 

1395
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,100
Facebook, my daily 
communication. 

1396
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:09,790
This is when you know of course 
Facebook was throttling the hell

1397
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,030
out of me at that time and it 
was diminishing and diminishing 

1398
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,830
and I was just getting worse and
worse and worse there. 

1399
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,440
I had not even I I was a 
Twitter. 

1400
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:21,590
I had a Twitter account but I 
was never used Twitter as a as a

1401
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,290
writer or putting that out 
there. 

1402
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:25,260
I was just I just had a read 
only account. 

1403
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:27,190
You know basically that I had no
followers. 

1404
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,830
I had, I just used Twitter to go
check on what people, whatever 

1405
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,770
other people were saying. 
I I was a a Facebook guy. 

1406
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:37,320
And so that's where I built most
of my following. 

1407
01:12:38,170 --> 01:12:41,400
And your your actual first 
interaction though was with the 

1408
01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:43,500
Raleigh office. 
I know there was some problems 

1409
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:46,340
with them recording and you 
wanted to record, but ultimately

1410
01:12:46,670 --> 01:12:50,660
you let them record it and that 
was in still the six months or 

1411
01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:53,800
was it actually further beyond? 
That it was further beyond that.

1412
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:56,580
As a matter of fact, as soon as 
I said to him that, you know, 

1413
01:12:56,590 --> 01:12:59,020
my, my attorney would 
unfortunately not be able to be 

1414
01:12:59,030 --> 01:13:00,990
there, he was like, oh, OK, 
yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem. 

1415
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,640
We'll schedule and and to look, 
I I will, I will tell you, 

1416
01:13:04,650 --> 01:13:10,370
unlike other J6 defendants are 
targets of the FBI and the 

1417
01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:14,000
Department of Justice. 
They have in fact been very, 

1418
01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:18,520
very cooperative in terms of 
scheduling for our various, you 

1419
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:22,960
know, meetups in my with my 
schedule, my travel. 

1420
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:25,630
They, you know, my travel 
schedule and my band schedule at

1421
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,170
the time and all of that. 
They, they, they worked around 

1422
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:31,130
that. 
And so I turned, I gave them my 

1423
01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:33,580
attorney's phone number. 
I got Agent Dawson's phone 

1424
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:35,970
number, gave that to my attorney
and I just turned it over to 

1425
01:13:35,980 --> 01:13:37,090
them. 
And they, you know, from that 

1426
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:39,110
point forward, they were doing 
the communicating. 

1427
01:13:39,180 --> 01:13:43,570
And so the first interview was 
set up in August of 21. 

1428
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,870
And when my attorney and I 
arrived at the office here in 

1429
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,530
Raleigh, the the the guys had a 
the two agents, they introduced 

1430
01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:54,110
themselves, Dawson, Noyes, they 
had to sit in the lobby. 

1431
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,590
They said we've got a problem. 
We may not be able to do this 

1432
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,330
interview today. 
And I'm, I'm like, what? 

1433
01:13:58,340 --> 01:14:00,160
What is that all about? 
I had no idea. 

1434
01:14:00,290 --> 01:14:02,390
And so they said, we're going to
go back in the back. 

1435
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,110
We're on a phone call, we'll be 
back out and then we'll let you 

1436
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,680
know what's what's going on. 
We'll be back in about 10 

1437
01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:09,840
minutes. 
So I sat down on the sofa there 

1438
01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:12,570
in the lobby with my my attorney
and I looked over at him. 

1439
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:14,660
I said, what's this all about? 
I said, is there something? 

1440
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,380
I said, is there another 911 
going on in the world somewhere 

1441
01:14:18,460 --> 01:14:20,290
we missed? 
Just talking to a journalist. 

1442
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,250
What's that? 
Just talking to a journalist 

1443
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:24,050
requires extra permission. 
It's. 

1444
01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:26,990
Supposed to That's that's 
exactly what it was. 

1445
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,590
And so my attorney looks over at
me and he goes, no, this is 

1446
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,990
about you. 
And I went, not me. 

1447
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,070
How did you get that from there?
You know what they said? 

1448
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,470
He goes, no, it's about you. 
OK. 

1449
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:38,440
So about 1/2 hour later, they 
emerged from the back, locked, 

1450
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:42,230
you know, concealed rooms and 
they they come out and said, 

1451
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,950
yeah, you know, we're sorry, but
we're we're going to have to 

1452
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,280
reschedule this for another 
date. 

1453
01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:50,330
Turns out because of your status
as of you know, remember the 

1454
01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:53,530
press blah blah blah, we we 
can't do this without. 

1455
01:14:53,540 --> 01:14:55,540
We can only do this without a 
search warrant at 6:00 AM. 

1456
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:57,550
That's the only way that we're 
able to do this, Steve. 

1457
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,110
So there's that. 
Let me, let me, let me just kind

1458
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,050
of grab this and hold on for a 
second. 

1459
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:04,340
First of all, we got a lot of 
people joining us. 

1460
01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:06,050
It look like a new audience. 
So thanks for joining us, guys. 

1461
01:15:06,060 --> 01:15:08,470
We're talking to Steve Baker, 
who is the Pragmatic 

1462
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,470
Constitutionalist. 
It's TP4, the number four USA 

1463
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:14,290
TP4 USA on Twitter. 
You see 4. 

1464
01:15:14,380 --> 01:15:18,400
Two PC, I'm sorry I missed one. 
TPC 4 USA. 

1465
01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:21,030
You can find them on Truth and 
you can find him on Twitter and 

1466
01:15:21,140 --> 01:15:23,910
he was just recently promoted by
The Blaze to be a full time 

1467
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,400
independent journalist for them 
or a full time investigative 

1468
01:15:26,410 --> 01:15:29,050
journalist rather, and has 
stepped up from his contributor 

1469
01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:30,280
position. 
So we're really proud that he's 

1470
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:31,640
done that. 
We're happy that he's here 

1471
01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:33,330
talking to us about it. 
That was just released this 

1472
01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:35,130
morning. 
We're talking January 6 stuff 

1473
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:36,730
his on the ground experience of 
it. 

1474
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:40,210
We're talking about how the FBI 
decided to try to squeak him a 

1475
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:42,470
little bit and get some 
voluntary interviews and that 

1476
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,570
didn't go as well as they hoped.
And if you guys are watching us,

1477
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:48,010
we are trending right now up on 
the podcast list on 

1478
01:15:48,020 --> 01:15:50,700
rumble.com/kyle Serafin. 
So please give us a thumbs up. 

1479
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:53,220
If you're watching this on the 
replay, you're on the Amrat pod.

1480
01:15:53,230 --> 01:15:54,600
Make sure you give that a thumbs
up as well. 

1481
01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:57,140
You guys do not let my boys sit 
in the lurch. 

1482
01:15:57,210 --> 01:16:00,990
And I'm joined by Garrido Boyle 
who's having a grouchy baby in 

1483
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,310
the background, so we're having 
a little bit more mic muting 

1484
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,320
than normal. 
And Steve Friend, who is These 

1485
01:16:06,330 --> 01:16:08,740
are both my fellow FBI 
whistleblowers and we're talking

1486
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:11,940
to Steve Baker who is now 
another bee in the bonnet of the

1487
01:16:11,950 --> 01:16:14,040
FBI. 
My ex girlfriend who is kind of 

1488
01:16:14,050 --> 01:16:17,840
a psycho ex girlfriend of of 
kind of exes to have in the 

1489
01:16:17,850 --> 01:16:19,380
world. 
She doesn't behave very 

1490
01:16:19,390 --> 01:16:22,650
appropriately and has been 
getting more and more agitated, 

1491
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,640
particularly the fact that she 
offered to have you surrender, I

1492
01:16:26,650 --> 01:16:27,750
guess last week. 
Is that right? 

1493
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,830
Is it last week or this week? 
Was it this week? 

1494
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:32,570
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
If we're talking about the ex 

1495
01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:35,550
girlfriend that I think you're 
talking about, yes, that's. 

1496
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:38,030
Her name is Bluey. 
I think her name is Bluey. 

1497
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,770
That's what we call her, Yeah. 
BU. 

1498
01:16:39,890 --> 01:16:44,830
Yeah and yeah, so you Fast 
forward from that first 

1499
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:50,390
interview that I that got 
aborted in August of 21. 

1500
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,900
Then this went all the way up to
the USA Bernie's office because 

1501
01:16:53,970 --> 01:16:58,900
lo and behold, there's a statute
with regards to interviewing a 

1502
01:16:58,910 --> 01:17:01,230
journalist and they had to get 
permission from the United 

1503
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,590
States US US Attorney General's 
office. 

1504
01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:08,430
And once that was rescheduled 
and there was a negotiation, 

1505
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:11,370
there was an it was actually a 
negotiated interview, There was 

1506
01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:14,700
a proffer agreement. 
Basically, the terms by which I 

1507
01:17:14,710 --> 01:17:17,560
was interviewed is that nothing 
that I said in the interview 

1508
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:19,980
could be used against me should 
they ever try to take me to 

1509
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:24,310
court or try to press charges 
against me, unless there's 

1510
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,430
something I said in that 
interview in which I perjured 

1511
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:28,090
myself. 
Which are you familiar with the 

1512
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:30,160
the the concept of parallel 
construction at all? 

1513
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,730
No, either you boys want to jump
in on that Steve or Garrett, you

1514
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:37,180
wanna discuss maybe Gary, you 
want talk about parallel 

1515
01:17:37,190 --> 01:17:39,750
construction? 
Looks like OHS. 

1516
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,040
You can't do it audio cut. 
Jump it. 

1517
01:17:44,540 --> 01:17:46,460
Steve take. 
It, I mean it's it's sort of 

1518
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:49,360
like where you you know the 
outcome already to begin with 

1519
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:54,190
and they're going to build the 
case to to get the answers in 

1520
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,620
another way so that they can 
work around that proper process 

1521
01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:01,260
and say well we didn't use the 
information that you gave us 

1522
01:18:01,270 --> 01:18:04,520
against us, but we were able to 
get it and ascertain it through 

1523
01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:07,260
different sources or go we can 
still bring those charges. 

1524
01:18:07,330 --> 01:18:08,720
Yeah, just a short version of 
it. 

1525
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:10,160
Baker. 
If if we were to do it, you tell

1526
01:18:10,170 --> 01:18:12,330
me like, yeah, I saw this thing 
and I did this thing and this is

1527
01:18:12,340 --> 01:18:13,680
what was going on. 
And they go, OK, we're not gonna

1528
01:18:13,690 --> 01:18:15,310
use it against you. 
Then they go find the person in 

1529
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,850
the room who was there and they 
go, yeah, I saw Steve, and he 

1530
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:19,010
was in this place and he did 
this thing. 

1531
01:18:19,020 --> 01:18:21,010
And they go, yeah, we had 
independent source tell us that 

1532
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:22,960
you did this thing and that's 
why we're gonna come after you. 

1533
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,330
It's it's a dirty trick. 
It can be done in the 

1534
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:27,370
intelligence sphere as well. 
You can use national security 

1535
01:18:27,380 --> 01:18:30,790
tools that are classified. 
And rather than declassify them,

1536
01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:33,700
I go and I threaten your buddy 
and I go, look, I'd really hate 

1537
01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:35,630
to have to prosecute you, and I 
know you did this stuff. 

1538
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,870
Would you like to be my 
informant? 

1539
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,690
And tell me about this thing 
that Baker did? 

1540
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:39,850
And they go like, oh, yeah, I 
do. 

1541
01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:41,590
I don't want to. 
I don't want to deal with that 

1542
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,050
problem. 
And so then they go and they 

1543
01:18:43,060 --> 01:18:45,330
build it on source reporting 
instead of using a classified 

1544
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:47,840
technique. 
It's an ugly ability to do that,

1545
01:18:47,850 --> 01:18:51,170
and I'm guessing you're gonna 
find out pretty soon what that 

1546
01:18:51,180 --> 01:18:53,980
looks like on their end. 
Yeah, well, it's it's actually a

1547
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:56,760
I wouldn't have known what you 
called it in the Bureau, but 

1548
01:18:57,450 --> 01:19:00,680
it's actually exactly the same 
thing that I did with Harry Dunn

1549
01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:03,360
is because he met with me for 
four hours privately, just me 

1550
01:19:03,370 --> 01:19:05,230
and him, and it was an off the 
record. 

1551
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:09,340
I have never said a word about 
what he told me on the record in

1552
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:11,790
the press or any of these 
interviews or podcasts. 

1553
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:16,220
I I have kept my word in that 
regard, but obviously I used 

1554
01:19:16,230 --> 01:19:20,240
very much what he told me to 
continue my investigation. 

1555
01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:21,590
Yeah. 
Somebody tells you where the 

1556
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,110
bodies buried. 
You go find somebody else to 

1557
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,080
point you on the map where it is
too, and exactly go. 

1558
01:19:25,090 --> 01:19:26,780
Is this where the bodies buried?
I already know where it is. 

1559
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:28,120
And they go, well, yeah, that's 
where. 

1560
01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:29,960
How do you know? 
So. 

1561
01:19:29,970 --> 01:19:32,000
Projecting because you just told
me. 

1562
01:19:33,010 --> 01:19:35,600
That you're anticipating, 
because I know the FBI said, 

1563
01:19:35,610 --> 01:19:37,450
like, well, you just have to 
surrender and find out what 

1564
01:19:37,460 --> 01:19:40,330
we're going to charge you with. 
I know we've talked about it 

1565
01:19:40,340 --> 01:19:44,560
that they're they're intimating 
that you apparently had better 

1566
01:19:44,570 --> 01:19:49,060
intelligence than the entire FBI
did, knew that a quote unquote 

1567
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:52,070
insurrection was going to happen
and ergo travel across state 

1568
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,880
lines in order to record it so 
that you could profit off of it.

1569
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:58,740
But as ridiculous as that is, I 
still think that the, I think 

1570
01:19:58,750 --> 01:20:01,800
standing on the bench you 
alluded to that that was 

1571
01:20:01,810 --> 01:20:04,560
something that really they got 
very interested in when you 

1572
01:20:04,570 --> 01:20:07,020
described that to them. 
Is that still on the table? 

1573
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:09,480
Because I think that might be my
favourite federal charge that's 

1574
01:20:09,490 --> 01:20:13,040
ever been lobbied out there. 
Yeah, I mean, who who knew that 

1575
01:20:13,050 --> 01:20:17,510
if you actually stand on a park 
bench and a, you know, federal 

1576
01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:23,240
park to take a photo of an elk 
walking by or something like 

1577
01:20:23,250 --> 01:20:25,770
that to get a better vantage 
point, that's actually a federal

1578
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:27,590
crime. 
I know that now because I've 

1579
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,610
read the statute, because when I
was first threatened with 

1580
01:20:30,650 --> 01:20:36,350
prosecution back in November of 
21, they told me they actually 

1581
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,250
gave my attorney two of the 
actual statutes in an email. 

1582
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:41,670
So I have this email. 
I have it. 

1583
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,650
It's this is not exaggeration. 
The first one was, is that they 

1584
01:20:45,660 --> 01:20:48,210
were actually going to charge me
with property damage, and I'm 

1585
01:20:48,220 --> 01:20:49,930
thinking to myself, property 
damage. 

1586
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:51,160
I didn't break a window. 
I didn't. 

1587
01:20:51,170 --> 01:20:52,690
Break. 
Listen, This is why we joined 

1588
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:54,380
the FBI. 
I actually feel shorted that I 

1589
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:56,670
never got to charge anybody was 
standing on a park bench. 

1590
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,350
But that's why I actually 
joined. 

1591
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,340
When I carried the tearing the 
tag off the pillow like I wanted

1592
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:03,870
that. 1. 
That's what we all signed up to 

1593
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,010
really do. 
Everything else was secondary 

1594
01:21:06,020 --> 01:21:09,970
and we got let down. 
They have gone back, you know, 

1595
01:21:09,980 --> 01:21:12,960
through NSA resources or 
whatever. 

1596
01:21:12,970 --> 01:21:15,570
They're going to learn how many 
tags I have torn off the pillow 

1597
01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:18,200
and mattress. 
So here's. 

1598
01:21:18,210 --> 01:21:20,630
The thing you hear that section?
Unlike. 

1599
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,960
Yeah, Because we got, we got our
FBI listeners, other than some 

1600
01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:25,430
people just take the tag and 
they throw it away. 

1601
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,390
I know that you're the kind of 
guy that you actually put them 

1602
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,310
in your file and you have, you 
have like a baseball card binder

1603
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,120
of all the tags you're talking 
about. 

1604
01:21:32,130 --> 01:21:33,570
Your friend, right. 
Not me. 

1605
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:34,130
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1606
01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:35,960
Not that organised. 
You wouldn't be that organised. 

1607
01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:38,170
That's a step friend move. 
People don't know he has an 

1608
01:21:38,180 --> 01:21:40,610
accounting degree. 
That's there you go. 

1609
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,410
So now. 
It's stealth accountant. 

1610
01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:46,550
It was very interesting because 
in my interview which finally 

1611
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:51,980
took place in October of 21, one
of the things that when we I was

1612
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:55,780
describing my path through the 
day and all of that is I 

1613
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:58,310
actually said the words I said 
yeah. 

1614
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,060
And at one point we were you 
know was in the crypt or 

1615
01:22:00,070 --> 01:22:01,780
whatever. 
I don't even remember if I 

1616
01:22:01,790 --> 01:22:05,680
remembered what room I was in at
the time but my recounting to 

1617
01:22:05,780 --> 01:22:08,560
the the two agents there. 
But I said I, you know, at one 

1618
01:22:08,570 --> 01:22:11,400
point I got up on a bench so I 
could get above the crowd and I 

1619
01:22:11,410 --> 01:22:14,960
could you know video what they 
were doing and agent noise goes 

1620
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:20,250
you he did he, he went, you 
stood on the bench said yeah and

1621
01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:22,940
immediately this guy. 
We've been briefed on the bench 

1622
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:24,190
situation. 
Now, could you tell us more 

1623
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:25,590
about? 
That I should you not. 

1624
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,450
I mean he immediately got right 
on the pad and I'm. 

1625
01:22:28,460 --> 01:22:30,110
I look, you know, like looking 
over at my. 

1626
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:32,540
Tell me you laughed at that when
that happened, because there's 

1627
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:35,290
something really awful about the
idea that an FBI agent was 

1628
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:39,500
excited about you standing on a 
bench like I, and it hurts my 

1629
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:40,720
heart that that's the case. 
I. 

1630
01:22:40,730 --> 01:22:42,320
Couldn't laugh at it. 
I just. 

1631
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:46,230
I just went like, look at my 
attorney, you know, look at that

1632
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:47,690
look. 
DOB. 

1633
01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:50,170
And I could probably talk about 
this being a street cop. 

1634
01:22:50,180 --> 01:22:52,550
Like you had those, like, 
obscure charges in your back 

1635
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,400
pocket that you would use to 
deescalate a situation or 

1636
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:57,500
something like that, and you 
just wait for the person to say 

1637
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:59,750
the thing you needed to because 
they didn't know it was a law. 

1638
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,730
Like, my thing was always like 
in it was Georgia, right? 

1639
01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:05,670
So it was like, if you use a 
profanity in the presence of a 

1640
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,210
lady, then I can charge you with
a city ordinance violation. 

1641
01:23:09,220 --> 01:23:10,730
And I would do that. 
For that by the way. 

1642
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:13,590
But that sounds like something 
like this guy Noise has 

1643
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,840
researched and it was like, 
can't wait to throw that charge 

1644
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:19,260
down because he's so bought in 
on the January 6th thing. 

1645
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:21,860
He was, like, excited for that. 
Let me tell you what this really

1646
01:23:21,870 --> 01:23:22,980
is. 
Show me the man. 

1647
01:23:22,990 --> 01:23:25,700
I'll show you the crime. 
Yeah, that's what this really 

1648
01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:27,580
is. 
Like a police state? 

1649
01:23:27,770 --> 01:23:30,740
Yeah, like a secret police, 
which we keep, we keep hammering

1650
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:32,180
home on this stuff. 
How gross is that? 

1651
01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:35,250
These people, it's pathetic, 
man. 

1652
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:38,760
They're they're pathetic excuses
for law enforcement officers and

1653
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:41,680
in what we once called the land 
of the free. 

1654
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:45,300
It's really disheartening, 
disappointing, angering, 

1655
01:23:45,310 --> 01:23:50,730
saddening to to know that 
there's FBI agents of all people

1656
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:54,570
who are out there. 
Oh, you stood on a park bench. 

1657
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,750
Gotcha. 
Yep, Federal, federal offence. 

1658
01:23:57,820 --> 01:24:00,010
Like, do you have the statute 
number for that handy? 

1659
01:24:00,020 --> 01:24:02,750
Because I'm like, what? 
Where would this even be? 

1660
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:05,900
You know, like. 
But imagine this guys, because 

1661
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:09,070
three of us have done this job. 
Steve, you've been in there, you

1662
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:10,960
know Baker, you've been in there
and actually had someone accuse 

1663
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:12,850
you of it. 
But imagine saying, yeah, I 

1664
01:24:12,860 --> 01:24:15,090
stood up on a bench to get a 
better vantage and someone 

1665
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:17,780
thinking gotcha bitch like that 
was the thought going through 

1666
01:24:17,790 --> 01:24:20,050
this guy's head and he's like 
John it down. 

1667
01:24:20,060 --> 01:24:22,330
He's like now we got him. 
We just got to get a video of it

1668
01:24:22,340 --> 01:24:25,090
so we could substantiate and and
they know roughly where you said

1669
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:26,390
you were and roughly what time 
it was. 

1670
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,350
So they can go back and they can
parallel construct that to be 

1671
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,330
like that to be the gotcha 
moment. 

1672
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,750
It's so nauseating. 
Like the gotchas that I wanted 

1673
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,090
to be was like yeah, I admitted 
to burning down that entire that

1674
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:40,090
entire National Forest on an 
Indian Reservation. 

1675
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:43,330
Or like yeah, I I defrauded that
guy of $10 million. 

1676
01:24:43,340 --> 01:24:45,750
Like that's the gotcha that I 
thought we were going into, you 

1677
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,800
know? 
I want to ask these for our for 

1678
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:49,930
our FBI agent friends who are 
listening. 

1679
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,100
Will you go to the park bench 
that Mister Baker stood on and 

1680
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:58,660
scrape all of the gum off from 
the bottom of the bench and send

1681
01:24:58,670 --> 01:25:01,600
it to the lab and get all the 
DNA back and then charge all 

1682
01:25:01,610 --> 01:25:03,200
those people for property damage
too? 

1683
01:25:03,210 --> 01:25:05,700
I mean, it's just absolutely 
pathetic. 

1684
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:08,540
It's law fair at its finest. 
Like, what can we do? 

1685
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:12,060
What can we find to just get 
you, just to get you. 

1686
01:25:12,110 --> 01:25:14,200
It's. 
We've talked about this before. 

1687
01:25:14,210 --> 01:25:17,500
How the FBI, the Justice 
Department, the Ministry of 

1688
01:25:17,650 --> 01:25:21,560
Justice, as I like to call them,
they're not supposed to be 

1689
01:25:21,650 --> 01:25:23,480
overly concerned with the 
outcome. 

1690
01:25:23,550 --> 01:25:26,680
They are supposed to be 
concerned with the truth and 

1691
01:25:26,690 --> 01:25:30,680
with Justice and OHS. 
You stood on a park bench, What 

1692
01:25:30,690 --> 01:25:33,240
damage is caused there? 
And then they're going to sling 

1693
01:25:33,250 --> 01:25:36,460
that charge like, man, it's 
just, it's pathetic. 

1694
01:25:36,510 --> 01:25:40,280
It's it's pathetic excuse for 
law enforcement and they're not 

1695
01:25:40,290 --> 01:25:44,440
worth the cost of the tin of the
badge that they wear in their 

1696
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:46,830
hip. 
And this is the Damocles sword 

1697
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:51,150
they put over your head now for 
almost three years year or 2 1/2

1698
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,130
years where they're you're 
waiting because they keep 

1699
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:56,030
saying, well, we're gonna come 
for you next week or then we're 

1700
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,920
gonna wait for a year and a half
and then say, well, it's 

1701
01:25:58,930 --> 01:26:00,090
imminent, you're going to be 
charged. 

1702
01:26:00,140 --> 01:26:04,010
Like how many hours of sleep has
Steve Baker lost for that? 

1703
01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:06,990
That is a in itself making the 
process, the punishment. 

1704
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,390
And then this most recent 
notification that you got where 

1705
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,830
it's like, well, we need you to 
surrender next week on Tuesday, 

1706
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,210
and then after hours we're going
to call your lawyer. 

1707
01:26:16,220 --> 01:26:18,450
So you can't call back for 
clarification from us. 

1708
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,080
We can't give you what the 
charge is going to be, but you 

1709
01:26:21,090 --> 01:26:24,900
don't have to surrender till 
after Christmas and this will be

1710
01:26:24,910 --> 01:26:26,270
for your benefit. 
We don't wanna ruin your 

1711
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,480
Christmas when in effect you 
know it's it's this jerk Noyes 

1712
01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:31,400
who wanted to be off for 
Christmas. 

1713
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:36,720
So he he facilitated that delay 
because again, you're again this

1714
01:26:36,910 --> 01:26:39,080
this domestic terrorist, 
obviously because you stood on a

1715
01:26:39,090 --> 01:26:43,730
park bench and we need to bring 
the bring the hammer down on you

1716
01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:45,130
from the United States 
government. 

1717
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:48,860
But as a terrorist, we're going 
to let you travel around for 

1718
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:51,400
several more weeks, even though 
we likely have a warrant in hand

1719
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:53,060
and haven't entered into a 
system. 

1720
01:26:53,170 --> 01:26:56,450
I mean, we need to cover down on
some of this stuff because I I 

1721
01:26:56,500 --> 01:26:59,490
I'll put it out there right now.
I think Steve Baker should self 

1722
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:04,230
surrender on Christmas Day so he
can ruin Craig Noise's Christmas

1723
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,810
and force him to come to work. 
I'll second that. 

1724
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,660
I I'll, I'll all in favour, aye.
Tell you what? 

1725
01:27:11,730 --> 01:27:14,480
Since New Year's works too, just
saying. 

1726
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:17,480
I've already booked an Airbnb 
with my children out of town for

1727
01:27:17,490 --> 01:27:19,900
that for that day. 
How this works? 

1728
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:22,340
Can we do it New Year's Day? 
Yeah, you can do it any holiday 

1729
01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:23,240
all. 
Federal. 

1730
01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:25,240
Holiday. 
I'll fly out to film it. 

1731
01:27:26,350 --> 01:27:28,310
All here, I mean they're all 
listening right now. 

1732
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,910
And you know, I actually I 
actually just a week ago after 

1733
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:37,290
the Thursday call that I got 
from my attorney when he 

1734
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:41,070
received a call from agent Noise
that I was going to have to self

1735
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:48,130
surrender that immediately. 
I got an encrypted message from 

1736
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:55,810
my source at DOJ in Washington 
who told me in a very, very 

1737
01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:57,370
crypted way. 
He told me. 

1738
01:27:57,380 --> 01:28:01,170
He said, look, delete these apps
from your phone right now. 

1739
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,930
You are being listened to. 
You're being watched. 

1740
01:28:04,940 --> 01:28:07,370
And of course this, this 
production that we're on here 

1741
01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:09,810
right now, I announced that I 
invited them here today. 

1742
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:14,390
So I sent my agent a text last 
night and invited us, Agent 

1743
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,750
Noise to be a part of this show 
today. 

1744
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:22,150
If he would allow me to, I'd 
send him the the sign in, the 

1745
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,470
log in and you know, maybe we 
could interview him, but he 

1746
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:26,670
can't. 
We could send him a link, yeah, 

1747
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,370
just put put your hand in the in
the comments. 

1748
01:28:29,380 --> 01:28:30,250
We'll send you. 
A link? 

1749
01:28:30,260 --> 01:28:31,710
No. 
We could send him a link, but he

1750
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,450
couldn't talk to me because I'm 
represented, you know? 

1751
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,130
So but he can. 
He can hang out here and wave. 

1752
01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:39,550
Yeah, yeah. 
But the the the point being is 

1753
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,640
is that I'm I'm I'm being 
watched. 

1754
01:28:43,650 --> 01:28:46,030
I'm being listen, I mean that's 
that's. 

1755
01:28:47,550 --> 01:28:50,380
Do you want will you talk about 
the Rico because we're gonna get

1756
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:52,390
further into some of the what 
that what it feels like to be 

1757
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,450
watched which I like you and I 
had a private chat the other day

1758
01:28:55,460 --> 01:28:57,880
and and and the the weight of 
that is more than most people 

1759
01:28:57,890 --> 01:28:59,930
can appreciate it. 
There's a couple of J6 type 

1760
01:28:59,940 --> 01:29:02,380
folks in the in the chat and 
families of J Sixer. 

1761
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:04,300
So they know what we're talking 
about. 

1762
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:06,880
And I know that Garrett and I 
and Steve have a sense of it in 

1763
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:09,400
a in a different way like you 
know what it means to wake up in

1764
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:11,240
the morning. 
But the Rico allegation against 

1765
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:13,510
you was one of my favourites. 
That when we first spoke, I 

1766
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,080
remember you saying that in me 
going like that was a WTF moment

1767
01:29:16,090 --> 01:29:17,660
in my head. 
Like the question marks came 

1768
01:29:17,670 --> 01:29:18,950
right out of the top of my head,
right. 

1769
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,740
People could probably see them. 
They they said they were gonna 

1770
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:23,340
use a Rico statute to prosecute 
you. 

1771
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,630
Yeah, And this was another one 
of those moments in my original 

1772
01:29:27,780 --> 01:29:32,590
FBI interview that I had to look
at my attorney and go, what? 

1773
01:29:32,660 --> 01:29:36,320
Because they asked me, they 
said. 

1774
01:29:36,730 --> 01:29:41,860
So how much money have you made 
off of licencing, selling your 

1775
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:44,600
videos? 
And I looked, I looked at my 

1776
01:29:44,610 --> 01:29:46,950
attorney, I said, do I have to 
answer that question? 

1777
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,340
He said no and I go doesn't 
matter. 

1778
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:54,350
And they go and and and noise 
went, oh, come on, you know this

1779
01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:56,800
round figure, whatever. 
It's just us girls. 

1780
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:58,360
I like that one. 
I like the Just Us girls 

1781
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:59,600
technique. 
Right, right. 

1782
01:29:59,610 --> 01:30:01,210
Right. 
You all have your. 

1783
01:30:01,220 --> 01:30:02,780
Hair and you're down there, 
Steve. 

1784
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,700
Is a root beer float. 
We're watching movies and just 

1785
01:30:06,710 --> 01:30:09,240
between us girls, how much money
did you make for your video? 

1786
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:11,410
You know, just something that I 
might be able to criminally. 

1787
01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:13,560
Prosecute you just throw this 
out there to you guys. 

1788
01:30:14,090 --> 01:30:19,370
Imagine that HBO, I'm talking 
about the HBO and they're big 

1789
01:30:19,380 --> 01:30:20,710
document. 
They were the first one to come 

1790
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:24,460
out with a really significant 
documentary on January 6th. 

1791
01:30:24,970 --> 01:30:26,940
I think it came. 
I think it aired in November of 

1792
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:34,710
21 and HBO contacted me directly
to licence my videos and they 

1793
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,130
wanted they identified 12 
different clips that they wanted

1794
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,430
from my camera, OK And they 
ended up using I think four of 

1795
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:45,710
them in the final production, 
final edit cut of the 

1796
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,530
documentary. 
What would you think, just not 

1797
01:30:49,540 --> 01:30:51,820
having been involved in anything
like that before? 

1798
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:57,330
How much do you think the big 
HBO would pay me for 12 clips? 

1799
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,870
How many total seconds of video?
See, now you see, you know 

1800
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,050
better. 
You already know a little bit 

1801
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:03,980
about this. 
It's less than a minute. 

1802
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:06,690
I mean, because we're talking 
about 3 against six second clips

1803
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:10,470
that that kind of thing. 
Yeah, I I have a an instinct on 

1804
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,330
it. 
I don't know, but twelve $1500, 

1805
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:15,490
something like that. 10K I was 
going to say. 

1806
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:18,000
I thought $100 million. 
There's good. 

1807
01:31:18,010 --> 01:31:19,350
OK. 
So we've got the prices right 

1808
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,100
thing going on right now. 
Right. 

1809
01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:27,280
You you both went over so and 
you all went over, it's $700. 

1810
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:29,540
Wow, you didn't even get Cash 
Patel money. 

1811
01:31:29,670 --> 01:31:33,840
No, I didn't. 
I didn't get John Sullivan, not 

1812
01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:36,240
money. 
I didn't get $90,000 for the, 

1813
01:31:36,290 --> 01:31:38,800
you know, my video of the 
shooting of Ashley Babbitt. 

1814
01:31:39,450 --> 01:31:42,650
But the the point being is that 
it's it's just not there. 

1815
01:31:42,660 --> 01:31:45,620
That's a that's an actual 
industry standard rate you get. 

1816
01:31:45,630 --> 01:31:50,620
You got it's $1000 a minute and 
when they get, you know, a dozen

1817
01:31:50,730 --> 01:31:53,220
3 second clips, it doesn't even 
add up to a minute. 

1818
01:31:53,230 --> 01:31:56,300
So you know, you total it up and
that's what it is. 

1819
01:31:56,410 --> 01:32:00,720
And so nobody's getting rich off
of that unless you captured a 

1820
01:32:00,730 --> 01:32:03,860
moment like the shooting of of 
Ashley Babbitt. 

1821
01:32:03,870 --> 01:32:06,560
And even, you know, $90,000 is 
not getting rich money. 

1822
01:32:06,630 --> 01:32:09,580
Well, for perspective, the US 
Attorney's offices won't take 

1823
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:12,200
fraud cases if they're under $1 
million. 

1824
01:32:13,730 --> 01:32:16,140
That that's really the key That,
and I'm glad Steve jumped in at 

1825
01:32:16,150 --> 01:32:17,950
first, but yeah, but Gary, you 
were in a different field 

1826
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,120
office. 
We all saw different field 

1827
01:32:19,130 --> 01:32:20,570
offices. 
What's the number that you're 

1828
01:32:20,580 --> 01:32:22,570
United States Attorney would 
have drawn the line at for like 

1829
01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:24,010
we're not gonna deal with this 
amount of money? 

1830
01:32:24,140 --> 01:32:26,950
Yeah, I think it had to be at 
least a million because we had 

1831
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,230
some that, if I remember right, 
there was like a fraud that came

1832
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,290
in. 
It was like over half a million 

1833
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:34,530
and they're like, yeah, you say 
probably won't take that. 

1834
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:37,750
And we sat, you and I sat on Tim
Poole show and talked about it 

1835
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:39,960
and he talked about $1,000,000 
documented fraud and they didn't

1836
01:32:39,970 --> 01:32:42,190
pick it up because he's in the 
DC area and they're they're 

1837
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,820
closer to 5 million. 
So it depends on the 

1838
01:32:44,830 --> 01:32:46,890
jurisdiction. 
I've I've had fraud cases that, 

1839
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,960
you know we looked at and there 
was nothing we were going to do 

1840
01:32:48,970 --> 01:32:50,780
and it was 50 grand. 
And you know that was a lot of 

1841
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:54,250
money for a small business that 
runs out of it, $700.00 almost 

1842
01:32:54,260 --> 01:32:57,140
never, regardless of what the 
administration would have you 

1843
01:32:57,150 --> 01:32:59,510
believe is going to make or 
break your life. 

1844
01:32:59,570 --> 01:33:02,900
Probably there's very few people
that $700.00 is going to be the 

1845
01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:04,410
difference between. 
It's particularly if you 

1846
01:33:04,420 --> 01:33:07,020
actually like our regular guy 
who has cameras. 

1847
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:09,330
I'm guessing your camera was 
more than $700.00 if you were 

1848
01:33:09,340 --> 01:33:11,390
using decent. 
Camera Well, if you have a Venmo

1849
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:15,050
account and you earn more than 
$600 knowing your Venmo account,

1850
01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:17,000
you know you're you're a target 
of the federal government. 

1851
01:33:17,010 --> 01:33:18,920
So that's right. 
That's how we that's how we take

1852
01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:20,470
down the billionaires, though, 
Mr. Baker. 

1853
01:33:20,610 --> 01:33:21,920
Right. 
Yeah, that's what they say. 

1854
01:33:22,910 --> 01:33:25,400
Because they're all using Venmo 
to throw a bunch of money back 

1855
01:33:25,410 --> 01:33:27,310
and forth. 
What they're really interested 

1856
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,460
in is like TikTok girls and 
whoever's on twitch, like in the

1857
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:33,380
bathtub. 
But luckily we're in a very 

1858
01:33:33,390 --> 01:33:34,920
serious country at a very 
serious time. 

1859
01:33:34,990 --> 01:33:37,170
So Rico charges. 
That was that's where we were 

1860
01:33:37,180 --> 01:33:40,340
going with this. 
So, so he's, he's asking me 

1861
01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:45,950
these questions about and in 
reality by November of 21 I had 

1862
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:50,710
made give or take 100 bucks 
either side of $1500 total from 

1863
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,910
the licencing of live videos. 
OK, so it's a little bit more 

1864
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,320
than that two years later, but 
barely a little bit more than 

1865
01:33:57,330 --> 01:34:02,710
that. 
And the I mean again feverishly 

1866
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,670
notes on this he's he's writing 
this down. 

1867
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:10,620
So when we finally get the email
from US Attorney Anita Eve out 

1868
01:34:10,630 --> 01:34:14,680
of Philadelphia or when I say my
my attorney did and she she said

1869
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:19,400
in her November 17th email to my
attorney that his client me was 

1870
01:34:19,410 --> 01:34:21,480
going to be charged within the 
week. 

1871
01:34:21,550 --> 01:34:24,500
Then she included the two 
statutes under which they 

1872
01:34:24,510 --> 01:34:28,180
expected to charge me. 
Now, originally Agent Noise and 

1873
01:34:28,190 --> 01:34:31,500
Agent Doss told me that after 
the interview that should 

1874
01:34:31,570 --> 01:34:34,100
anything happen, it's not, it's 
not in their hands. 

1875
01:34:34,110 --> 01:34:37,120
But if if the if the Department 
of Justice does in fact decide 

1876
01:34:37,130 --> 01:34:39,400
to file charges against you, 
it's probably just going to be 

1877
01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:41,570
the four basic misdemeanours 
that everybody else is getting 

1878
01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:42,730
charged with. 
You know, the glorified 

1879
01:34:42,740 --> 01:34:45,930
trespassing charge, the parading
charge, blah, blah, blah. 

1880
01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:50,900
And and so when we get the two 
statutes by which they were 

1881
01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:54,230
going to charge me the property 
destruction for having Stand on 

1882
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,710
stood on the bench, the other 
one was the most confounding one

1883
01:34:58,780 --> 01:35:02,890
because as soon as you go to 
that federal statute, the title 

1884
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:05,280
of it is Interstate 
racketeering. 

1885
01:35:06,610 --> 01:35:10,970
Mob laws. 
And and and of course as soon, 

1886
01:35:10,980 --> 01:35:13,990
and this is what my attorney 
said, he he goes, he goes, I'm 

1887
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:18,250
reading this and I'm like, I 
can't wrap my head around this. 

1888
01:35:18,260 --> 01:35:21,610
But he said, I'm telling you 
it's the Interstate racketeering

1889
01:35:21,620 --> 01:35:23,840
statute. 
And I went, what in the hell are

1890
01:35:23,850 --> 01:35:26,610
they talking about? 
And he goes before we even, you 

1891
01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:29,130
know, get too deep into trying 
to figure this out, let me call 

1892
01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:30,620
her. 
And so he gets either on the 

1893
01:35:30,630 --> 01:35:33,800
phone or had an email exchange 
and she said no, yes, that's 

1894
01:35:33,810 --> 01:35:37,310
that's exactly what it is. 
Your attorney couldn't wrap 

1895
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,770
their head around it because no 
person with a reasonable brain 

1896
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:44,690
can wrap their head around it. 
And this just goes again, like I

1897
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:47,280
think of when I was a brand new 
law enforcement officer. 

1898
01:35:47,290 --> 01:35:49,340
I was a cop before I was an FBI 
agent. 

1899
01:35:49,470 --> 01:35:52,060
My police chief used to always 
say you don't have to be right, 

1900
01:35:52,130 --> 01:35:54,980
you just have to be reasonable. 
And that has always stood with 

1901
01:35:54,990 --> 01:35:57,540
me. 
And it should for anybody in 

1902
01:35:57,550 --> 01:35:59,420
long. 
It should for any human who just

1903
01:35:59,430 --> 01:36:02,410
lives, like, just be reasonable.
You don't have to be in law 

1904
01:36:02,420 --> 01:36:04,200
enforcement. 
It should be a better act, 

1905
01:36:04,210 --> 01:36:06,940
principle of law enforcement. 
But that's why your attorney 

1906
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:09,640
couldn't grasp that, you know, 
get their mind around it because

1907
01:36:09,650 --> 01:36:13,030
it's completely unreasonable, 
just like the standing on the 

1908
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,210
park bench one. 
And you know, as we talk and 

1909
01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:19,970
listen to you today, I'm 
thinking of these agents who are

1910
01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:22,130
interviewing you and I'm 
thinking of the type of people 

1911
01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:23,830
I've encountered in law 
enforcement. 

1912
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,330
And I just wonder what your 
takeaway is. 

1913
01:36:26,340 --> 01:36:29,710
Are these true believers? 
Are these the types who don't 

1914
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:34,150
care, they just are doing what 
they can to rise through the 

1915
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,840
ranks? 
Or are they the type who just 

1916
01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:38,470
want to keep their boss off 
their back and know that having 

1917
01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:41,420
a case some casework is a good 
way to do that? 

1918
01:36:42,370 --> 01:36:47,500
A mix of some of those, because 
oftentimes I think of even just 

1919
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:52,230
as an agent in Wichita where I 
was, even my boss would say 

1920
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,330
like, we're not, we're not 
playing this game, we're not 

1921
01:36:55,340 --> 01:36:58,850
doing this charade with all of 
these Jay 6 cases. 

1922
01:36:58,860 --> 01:37:02,230
Like, yeah, if we get a lead, we
will do our due diligence to run

1923
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,700
it to ground. 
But it it just seems like it's 

1924
01:37:06,710 --> 01:37:09,300
just completely overboard, 
especially with your case. 

1925
01:37:09,310 --> 01:37:12,560
You're a journalist, You didn't 
enter anything, you didn't 

1926
01:37:12,570 --> 01:37:16,980
actually damage any property, 
and now it's Interstate 

1927
01:37:16,990 --> 01:37:21,360
racketeering. 
Like, I just, I have a hard time

1928
01:37:21,370 --> 01:37:25,120
understanding who these people 
are, these agents, these law 

1929
01:37:25,130 --> 01:37:28,070
enforcement officers who've 
sworn oath to the Constitution. 

1930
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:32,400
I just I just don't get how they
can go on doing this type of 

1931
01:37:32,410 --> 01:37:35,370
thing. 
I will tell you if I gave a 

1932
01:37:35,380 --> 01:37:37,800
quick read on the body language 
of these two agents. 

1933
01:37:37,810 --> 01:37:40,530
When I sat down with them for 
two hours and this was my read, 

1934
01:37:41,970 --> 01:37:44,600
I felt like that Agent DOS did 
not want to be there. 

1935
01:37:44,910 --> 01:37:46,800
I felt like he was embarrassed 
by the process. 

1936
01:37:47,710 --> 01:37:49,890
And he should be. 
So that's that's good to hear. 

1937
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:53,360
But he needs to. 
He needs to step up then and or 

1938
01:37:53,370 --> 01:37:56,810
walk away. 
Sorry, I just. 

1939
01:37:56,820 --> 01:37:59,050
I'm just stuff just gets me. 
Really fired up. 

1940
01:37:59,060 --> 01:38:02,770
The best part about this Baker 
is watching Garrett just Stew 

1941
01:38:02,780 --> 01:38:04,210
over there. 
This is Garrett's nature. 

1942
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:06,150
He's kind of brooding in that 
way. 

1943
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,910
He's, I think he's got a long 
fuse, but it's always burning 

1944
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,210
kind of thing. 
I feel very similarly, but we're

1945
01:38:12,220 --> 01:38:14,830
just watching that. 
Like, I know how frustrated it 

1946
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,980
is because these are our former 
colleagues are people that we 

1947
01:38:16,990 --> 01:38:19,270
theoretically would trust our 
life with and you can't even 

1948
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:20,350
trust them to do the right 
thing. 

1949
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,490
And something small like saying 
I'm not going to investigate 

1950
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:24,910
this by the way some people did 
do the right thing. 

1951
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,260
A small number of people just 
said this is bullshit and I'm 

1952
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:29,860
I'm calling what it is. 
And the answer is you might lose

1953
01:38:29,870 --> 01:38:32,160
your supervisory position. 
You might get put on a penalty 

1954
01:38:32,170 --> 01:38:34,380
box. 
Like they didn't lose their 

1955
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:37,180
jobs, even they didn't even lose
their paycheck over it, you 

1956
01:38:37,190 --> 01:38:39,230
know. 
And so for them to just to go 

1957
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,260
along with it that they're gonna
charge Rico. 

1958
01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:44,300
And if you'll permit me one 
little kind of moment of 

1959
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:46,930
editorial because this actually 
ties my entire week of shows 

1960
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:48,520
together. 
For those of you guys who have 

1961
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:50,180
not seen, we talked to Douglas 
Mackie. 

1962
01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:51,680
You're familiar with this case, 
obviously. 

1963
01:38:51,690 --> 01:38:54,800
Gentleman Doug Mackey was 
indicted. 

1964
01:38:55,150 --> 01:38:58,140
He had a complaints worn out two
days after Joe Biden took office

1965
01:38:58,490 --> 01:39:01,740
by a DOJ that was basically 
chomping at the bit to do 

1966
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:04,060
something that they couldn't do 
while Trump was president. 

1967
01:39:04,350 --> 01:39:06,330
And they did. 
And it was related not to the 

1968
01:39:06,340 --> 01:39:09,500
2020 election and this was in 
2021, obviously. 

1969
01:39:09,550 --> 01:39:13,390
It was to the 2016 election and 
happened in 2015 and 2016. 

1970
01:39:13,460 --> 01:39:17,210
So they waited a long cold five 
years to be able to bring 

1971
01:39:17,220 --> 01:39:19,430
charges in a complaint format, 
which is for accident 

1972
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:23,570
circumstances, not for a a 
threat that has been, you know, 

1973
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:25,410
well investigated. 
You'd go to a grand jury 

1974
01:39:25,420 --> 01:39:26,830
normally. 
So that's really weird. 

1975
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:30,250
But what they did is they went 
after novel process, novel 

1976
01:39:30,260 --> 01:39:31,950
charges. 
It's the same thing we just saw 

1977
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,510
in Colorado, the novel attempt 
to apply laws. 

1978
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,880
And it's the same thing that 
we're hearing, which you exposed

1979
01:39:37,890 --> 01:39:39,810
to me for the first time about 
this Rico statute. 

1980
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,130
It's a novel application of the 
law. 

1981
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:44,950
And one of the things that we 
talked about the first time, UH 

1982
01:39:44,990 --> 01:39:48,920
Baker, the first time that we 
talked, you said that it was I 

1983
01:39:48,930 --> 01:39:52,880
think the most successful 
government messaging programme 

1984
01:39:52,890 --> 01:39:56,100
kind of SIOP or or a propaganda 
tool that's ever been done. 

1985
01:39:56,110 --> 01:39:59,640
And moreover, it's also been an 
incredible testing ground for 

1986
01:39:59,650 --> 01:40:02,940
novel applications of the law, 
both jurisdictional and 

1987
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:05,180
statutory. 
They're playing with all these 

1988
01:40:05,190 --> 01:40:08,360
different laws to see how badly 
can we bend the judiciary. 

1989
01:40:08,830 --> 01:40:11,700
If in that instance, can you 
kind of reflect on your 

1990
01:40:11,710 --> 01:40:14,060
experience of it because. 
I think we're, I think we're 

1991
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:16,530
seeing as you as you're part of 
a much broader trend if if, if 

1992
01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:19,640
we're being honest about it. 
Well, the the entire January 6 

1993
01:40:19,650 --> 01:40:22,630
issue is a much broader trend 
and this is where the envelopes 

1994
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,810
are being pushed on on all sides
by the Department of Justice. 

1995
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:31,200
FBI is because they are. 
They just like COVID. 

1996
01:40:31,210 --> 01:40:34,690
They are seeing what they can 
get by with and and they're 

1997
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:37,590
doing this in case after case. 
It doesn't matter if it's the 

1998
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,690
grandma who went in through the 
Rotunda for 10 minutes and took 

1999
01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:43,640
a couple selfies or if it's 
Stuart Purge. 

2000
01:40:43,650 --> 01:40:45,250
It doesn't matter. 
They're they're pushing the 

2001
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:50,810
envelope on every single case 
and and and between my 

2002
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:53,670
interviews and your interviews 
that you've the J6 you've 

2003
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,530
interviewed, we could spend 
hours and hours just breaking 

2004
01:40:56,540 --> 01:40:58,760
down each of these cases and the
anomalies thereof. 

2005
01:40:58,770 --> 01:41:04,190
But let's just start with the 
fact that I OK, this was largely

2006
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,410
an off the record meeting that I
had a couple of weeks ago with 

2007
01:41:07,420 --> 01:41:09,270
the Attorney General's office in
Florida. 

2008
01:41:09,540 --> 01:41:13,110
I I'm going to be very careful 
about what I'm going to say. 

2009
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,550
But I think I can. 
I think I can say this is when I

2010
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:22,530
gave those staffers with the 
Attorney General's office the 

2011
01:41:22,580 --> 01:41:26,850
specific incidences of a couple 
of those envelope pushing 

2012
01:41:26,860 --> 01:41:31,880
activities in the state of 
Florida, they they were not 

2013
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:34,720
aware of by the way, which is 
mind boggling to me. 

2014
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:40,000
But when I did to watch their 
eyebrows go up and then watch 

2015
01:41:40,010 --> 01:41:44,460
them lean forward in the room. 
The same move that that Noah has

2016
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:46,110
had when you told him you're 
standing on a park. 

2017
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,360
Bench exactly, but for 
completely different reasons. 

2018
01:41:48,740 --> 01:41:51,330
I mean, isn't that amazing 
though How few people that are 

2019
01:41:51,340 --> 01:41:54,590
theoretically paid to know that 
we like you and I and and 

2020
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,970
Garrett and Steve like we live, 
we eat, we breathe this stuff, 

2021
01:41:56,980 --> 01:41:59,150
this is our every day. 
Doesn't matter if it's J6. 

2022
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:03,490
It's all the stories, some more 
myopic than others, and yet the 

2023
01:42:03,540 --> 01:42:06,340
the absolute ignorance. 
And I don't say that in like 

2024
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:08,130
that condescending way. 
It's just like people are 

2025
01:42:08,140 --> 01:42:10,810
straight up ignorant. 
They do not know all of the 

2026
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:13,060
things that are being done. 
And many people cannot see the 

2027
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:15,760
broader trend, which is what I 
just expressed novel 

2028
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:18,940
interpretation, jurisdictional 
pushing, you know, weaponizing 

2029
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:21,250
of the judiciary. 
It's happening on every single 

2030
01:42:21,260 --> 01:42:22,540
thing. 
They they literally are the 

2031
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:25,300
opposite of what it's what 
progressives do, actually. 

2032
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:28,240
Progressives basically try to 
take ground everywhere they can,

2033
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:30,740
and they're doing it in every 
single way that it comes up. 

2034
01:42:30,810 --> 01:42:33,400
It doesn't matter if it's Trump 
or if it's you or anything else.

2035
01:42:34,860 --> 01:42:38,410
This is the conversation that 
that Kyle and I were texting to 

2036
01:42:38,420 --> 01:42:41,000
each other this morning. 
As this is the The Dark Night. 

2037
01:42:41,010 --> 01:42:43,250
We're gonna have another movie 
reference here for the Amrad 

2038
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:46,880
Podcast. 
This is the Joker from The Dark 

2039
01:42:46,890 --> 01:42:49,120
Knight. 
I just do things. 

2040
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:53,060
Everybody has plans, but I'm 
just gonna do things. 

2041
01:42:53,070 --> 01:42:55,160
And I'm gonna count on the fact 
that most people are too 

2042
01:42:55,170 --> 01:43:01,830
addicted to their comfort and 
lazy and dumb to do anything 

2043
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,620
about it. 
I mean, they just assume that if

2044
01:43:03,630 --> 01:43:05,920
you were acting that you must 
know what you're doing and 

2045
01:43:05,930 --> 01:43:08,880
therefore it's fine, or they're 
just can't be confronted with 

2046
01:43:08,890 --> 01:43:11,020
being inconvenienced to step up 
against it. 

2047
01:43:11,110 --> 01:43:14,260
Which is what the other side has
done to everybody with January 

2048
01:43:14,270 --> 01:43:15,520
6th. 
I mean, they're charging with 

2049
01:43:15,530 --> 01:43:20,520
tax fraud crimes, they're tax 
crimes for January 6th, and 

2050
01:43:20,530 --> 01:43:22,730
there's now they're finally 
pushing back at the Supreme 

2051
01:43:22,740 --> 01:43:24,360
Court level on it. 
But how many? 

2052
01:43:24,450 --> 01:43:27,680
It's over 300 people have been 
convicted of this crime. 

2053
01:43:27,890 --> 01:43:31,630
Yeah, yeah. 
And this is, this is what this 

2054
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:32,880
is what's happening. 
And it it. 

2055
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,140
And look, I'm talking to three 
of you right now. 

2056
01:43:36,580 --> 01:43:37,960
Ever. 
Ever. 

2057
01:43:38,150 --> 01:43:40,460
In your previous life, with your
previous girlfriend. 

2058
01:43:40,730 --> 01:43:43,500
Did you ever swat a 
misdemeanour? 

2059
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:45,860
Never. 
Never. 

2060
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:50,760
I mean if if we had a 
misdemeanour or even come in, we

2061
01:43:50,770 --> 01:43:54,940
we had at most just kick it 
local, you know, like we 

2062
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:58,170
wouldn't, Why would you spend 
the time and effort on that? 

2063
01:43:58,180 --> 01:44:00,480
You're the FBI. 
Like. 

2064
01:44:00,490 --> 01:44:02,520
It just doesn't make. 
Sense for you is. 

2065
01:44:02,530 --> 01:44:06,820
My question for you is, is what 
is the reason for this to be 

2066
01:44:06,830 --> 01:44:10,360
happening on Moss? 
Because it's happening over and 

2067
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:13,560
over and over again. 
They're still continuing to do 

2068
01:44:13,570 --> 01:44:15,050
that. 
I always forget this guy's name 

2069
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:18,110
because he has such a difficult 
to pronounce last name. 

2070
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:23,220
But the guy a couple of weeks 
ago from Daily Wire, The actor 

2071
01:44:23,230 --> 01:44:24,840
who? 
Does Siaka Massaquoi? 

2072
01:44:25,480 --> 01:44:31,700
Massaquoi, thank you and so. 
Again, Mr Normalising something 

2073
01:44:31,710 --> 01:44:34,240
that's not normal. 
And and they they go in and 

2074
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:37,100
scoop him up in force at the 
airport. 

2075
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:38,900
They let him. 
They let him fly. 

2076
01:44:38,910 --> 01:44:41,000
They got a war, a warrant for 
his arrest. 

2077
01:44:41,090 --> 01:44:42,580
Yeah. 
Two weeks before they arrested 

2078
01:44:42,590 --> 01:44:45,300
him via complaint, which is for 
exigent circumstances. 

2079
01:44:45,670 --> 01:44:47,540
And then they allowed him to 
fly. 

2080
01:44:47,550 --> 01:44:49,980
So theoretically he's a domestic
terrorist and you let him fly 

2081
01:44:50,630 --> 01:44:54,080
and then you met him at the 
airport in forest when you know 

2082
01:44:54,090 --> 01:44:56,740
he's unarmed because he was, you
know, on an aeroplane. 

2083
01:44:56,810 --> 01:44:58,160
Right. 
Right. 

2084
01:44:58,170 --> 01:45:02,020
It's it's the new boogeyman for 
the FBI is kind of how I've been

2085
01:45:02,090 --> 01:45:06,360
been putting it. 
So if you go back in time for 

2086
01:45:06,370 --> 01:45:10,100
the FBI's history, let's go to 
January 1st, 1920. 

2087
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:12,060
That's when the Palmer Raids 
occurred. 

2088
01:45:12,130 --> 01:45:14,920
The FBI were. 
They weren't even the FBI then, 

2089
01:45:14,970 --> 01:45:16,520
but they were. 
That was the Bureau of 

2090
01:45:16,530 --> 01:45:17,940
Investigation. 
That was her first. 

2091
01:45:18,050 --> 01:45:20,840
That was her first pre makeover.
But they. 

2092
01:45:20,850 --> 01:45:25,320
Were the heavy arm of rounding 
up all the communists and other 

2093
01:45:25,330 --> 01:45:26,880
dissidents. 
And none of these people had any

2094
01:45:26,890 --> 01:45:29,560
due process. 
And many of them were deported 

2095
01:45:29,790 --> 01:45:32,960
because of the Red Scare. 
And then Fast forward a little 

2096
01:45:32,970 --> 01:45:35,990
bit further. 
Let's just go to after Pearl 

2097
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,700
Harbour, the FBI again the heavy
hand and rounding up Japanese 

2098
01:45:39,710 --> 01:45:41,920
immigrants and Japanese 
Americans and sticking them in 

2099
01:45:41,930 --> 01:45:44,500
internment camps. 
Fast forward a little bit more 

2100
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:48,700
Civil rights movement. 
The FBI was the heavy hand in 

2101
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,600
telling Martin Luther King 
junior to kill himself. 

2102
01:45:53,110 --> 01:45:55,040
This is the same FBI. 
It exists today. 

2103
01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:58,680
Fast forward a little bit more. 
It was militias, Waco type 

2104
01:45:58,690 --> 01:46:03,180
things, Ruby Ridge in the 90s 
and then 911 happens and it was 

2105
01:46:03,670 --> 01:46:08,980
Muslim Americans or immigrants 
and Islamic extremism and that's

2106
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:11,700
when the toolbox was opened and 
now that toolbox is being turned

2107
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:15,840
against you and anybody of any 
us, anybody of any conservative 

2108
01:46:15,850 --> 01:46:21,490
bent and J6 is is the the 
primary event that they can 

2109
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:24,850
point to and say see look at all
the terrorism that happened. 

2110
01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:28,070
Even though they're using 
misdemeanour, you know, charges 

2111
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:33,980
of standing on a park bench or 
these IRS laws or tax laws that 

2112
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:36,550
they're using. 
It's it's lawfare, it's finest. 

2113
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,150
Kyle talked about how this is 
what progressives do. 

2114
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,610
Absolutely 100%. 
I'm thinking about all of the 

2115
01:46:42,620 --> 01:46:46,180
statutes around the statues. 
The statue is not statutes 

2116
01:46:46,190 --> 01:46:47,810
around the country that are 
getting torn down. 

2117
01:46:47,820 --> 01:46:49,690
They they are rewriting 
everything. 

2118
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:54,010
They're rewriting history, the 
rewriting America, and this is 

2119
01:46:54,020 --> 01:46:55,960
part of it. 
They're rewriting the law and 

2120
01:46:55,970 --> 01:47:00,020
the Constitution as we know it. 
The Constitution we learn about 

2121
01:47:00,030 --> 01:47:03,670
in college before we were FBI 
agents and the constitutional 

2122
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,340
law classes we had as FBI 
agents. 

2123
01:47:06,610 --> 01:47:10,380
It's it's not going to exist. 
It's it's well on its way to 

2124
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:13,660
being shredded and tattered. 
We're we're already well down 

2125
01:47:13,670 --> 01:47:16,840
that road and it's I think it's 
only going to get worse. 

2126
01:47:16,990 --> 01:47:18,940
I just talked to Tommy Robinson 
yesterday on Twitter. 

2127
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:20,650
We did like a Twitter space. 
He popped in there. 

2128
01:47:20,660 --> 01:47:22,860
Some of you guys may know who 
Tommy Robinson is, but he's 

2129
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:26,680
pushed back against a lot of the
like is Islamization of of Great

2130
01:47:26,690 --> 01:47:28,820
Britain and he's gotten self 
into a bunch of messes. 

2131
01:47:28,830 --> 01:47:31,380
And of course, just like Doug 
Mackey he's been referred to as 

2132
01:47:31,390 --> 01:47:34,300
a neo fascist and a white 
nationalist and some other kind 

2133
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:37,150
of nasty things had hit plenty 
of hit pieces written about him 

2134
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,120
as a human being. 
Seems like a pretty nice guy. 

2135
01:47:39,130 --> 01:47:40,860
People that know him think very 
highly of him. 

2136
01:47:40,910 --> 01:47:43,640
So it just kind of depends on 
which which newspaper you read, 

2137
01:47:43,710 --> 01:47:46,150
how you feel about the guy. 
But he said the the playbook, 

2138
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:49,480
you know, he explained it in 
very long form and it's the same

2139
01:47:49,490 --> 01:47:50,560
thing that we've all been 
saying. 

2140
01:47:50,630 --> 01:47:52,680
And Baker, you've been 
experiencing it and Steve and I 

2141
01:47:52,690 --> 01:47:54,820
have named it and I know Garrett
has experience as well. 

2142
01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:57,630
The process is the punishment. 
It literally just because it's 

2143
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,030
going to be made right if you 
stick around long enough and go 

2144
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,170
to gaol and actually get, you 
know, vindicated. 

2145
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,350
There's a bunch of people who 
have had their lives absolutely 

2146
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:07,250
ruined over this stuff, which I 
know you've reported on plenty. 

2147
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:08,790
And we've talked to some of 
them. 

2148
01:48:08,900 --> 01:48:12,030
They have had their faith in the
American system absolutely 

2149
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:14,280
devastated. 
You know, you're sitting on 

2150
01:48:14,290 --> 01:48:16,230
here, there's two of us that are
that are military veterans and 

2151
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,530
we would never tell our children
to serve in this military. 

2152
01:48:18,820 --> 01:48:21,280
Not because we think that the 
idea of serving the people of 

2153
01:48:21,290 --> 01:48:23,610
the United States is bad, but 
because the government that is 

2154
01:48:23,620 --> 01:48:27,260
now representing those people is
doing evil shit over and over 

2155
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:30,200
and over again. 
They are absolutely abusing the 

2156
01:48:30,210 --> 01:48:32,060
trust of the American people 
that they were entrusted with. 

2157
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:33,850
And they're doing it a lot of 
times just because of 

2158
01:48:33,860 --> 01:48:36,140
complacency. 
And then the sad thing is the 

2159
01:48:36,150 --> 01:48:38,690
people that we think, no, 
whether it's the attorney 

2160
01:48:38,700 --> 01:48:40,640
general down in Florida, which 
we'll get right back into, I 

2161
01:48:40,650 --> 01:48:42,810
know we're gonna get there. 
But also people that are 

2162
01:48:42,820 --> 01:48:45,210
investigating, like the people 
that we think should know the 

2163
01:48:45,220 --> 01:48:46,190
story. 
You're like, well, those people 

2164
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,240
are obviously gonna come save 
us, like they're paying 

2165
01:48:48,250 --> 01:48:50,010
attention to what's going on. 
It doesn't matter if you're 

2166
01:48:50,020 --> 01:48:52,500
talking about the investigators 
for all the big cases, the big 

2167
01:48:52,510 --> 01:48:54,420
think tanks. 
We constantly are sharing 

2168
01:48:54,430 --> 01:48:56,960
stories and a year later they've
never heard of them. 

2169
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:59,400
The people that are paid to be 
able to pay attention to this, 

2170
01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:01,680
it doesn't matter if it's a good
organisations like Heritage 

2171
01:49:01,690 --> 01:49:04,180
Foundation have never heard of 
some of the stuff that Steve and

2172
01:49:04,190 --> 01:49:05,950
I and Garrett have brought 
forward that you have been doing

2173
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,160
on January 6th. 
They've never heard it because 

2174
01:49:08,230 --> 01:49:11,190
and with his limited and people 
are just hoping it goes away so 

2175
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:14,540
they can go back to the status 
quo of I guess locking up people

2176
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,550
paraded around in the capital. 
You want to keep going with the 

2177
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,690
Attorney general meeting just 
like the ignorance of it is so 

2178
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:22,050
shocking to me. 
It's it's mind blowing. 

2179
01:49:22,060 --> 01:49:24,730
It really is. 
Well, I'll use this mass choir 

2180
01:49:24,740 --> 01:49:27,290
event. 
I'll segue back into the 

2181
01:49:27,300 --> 01:49:30,300
Attorney General meeting. 
But the point being is that he 

2182
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:35,400
when he was arrested and it was 
reported the next morning, the 

2183
01:49:35,550 --> 01:49:39,190
first words out of my mouth that
morning were, Oh my God, I'm 

2184
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:42,320
next. 
Did you say it that politely or 

2185
01:49:42,330 --> 01:49:45,020
was it was it more? 
No, I I, I yeah, yeah, it was. 

2186
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:49,720
It was a couple of other letters
and expletives in between. 

2187
01:49:50,050 --> 01:49:52,680
But there it is. 
We got the beep ready. 

2188
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:59,450
But, but I realised that, OK, 
they have reached a point. 

2189
01:49:59,460 --> 01:50:02,370
Now remember I said earlier, 
they're pushing the envelope, 

2190
01:50:02,380 --> 01:50:06,250
pushing what can we get by with?
What can we get by with in this 

2191
01:50:06,260 --> 01:50:11,210
national siop that we are? 
Because look, the overreaching 

2192
01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:14,890
and override and most important 
story of January 6th, believe it

2193
01:50:14,900 --> 01:50:18,970
or not, is not Brian Sitnik, the
officer dying the next day of a 

2194
01:50:18,980 --> 01:50:21,190
stroke. 
It's not actually Babbitt being 

2195
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:25,070
shot that day, although the 
tragedy that it was, it is not 

2196
01:50:25,140 --> 01:50:28,640
even the 1200 and something 
people that have been arrested 

2197
01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:31,940
and charged so far. 
The overriding story of January 

2198
01:50:31,950 --> 01:50:36,980
6 is that they are using this 
because of that narrative 

2199
01:50:36,990 --> 01:50:39,620
capture that we talked about the
first time we had a 

2200
01:50:39,630 --> 01:50:42,480
conversation. 
You and I, Kyle, this largest 

2201
01:50:42,490 --> 01:50:46,540
narrative capture in the history
of our country and they are 

2202
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:51,680
using this to push the envelope 
and see what they can get by 

2203
01:50:51,690 --> 01:50:54,050
with. 
And it is an extension of COVID.

2204
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:58,790
It is an extension of the 
election. 

2205
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,790
And I'm gonna say something. 
That's gonna alright, this is 

2206
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:02,850
this is it. 
Here we go. 

2207
01:51:02,860 --> 01:51:05,950
Everybody's gonna get the 
Twitter verse is gonna go nuts 

2208
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:09,660
now, especially this edition. 
Hunters are going to use this 

2209
01:51:09,670 --> 01:51:12,600
against me. 
Hell, it may even show up in my 

2210
01:51:12,610 --> 01:51:13,910
trial. 
What I'm about to say? 

2211
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:15,210
I'm excited about that. 
Then you. 

2212
01:51:15,220 --> 01:51:20,870
Ready. 
OK, as you know, even though I 

2213
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:30,570
am not, I am the I am the 
antithesis of a pro Putin pro 

2214
01:51:30,580 --> 01:51:34,810
Russian person. 
I worked against the Russian 

2215
01:51:34,820 --> 01:51:38,750
regime for years. 
I am as anti communist as 

2216
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:42,040
anybody could possibly be. 
I'm as anti Putin as anybody 

2217
01:51:42,050 --> 01:51:48,610
could possibly be, but as a 
result of my January 6 research 

2218
01:51:48,620 --> 01:51:52,790
studies investigations, I had 
the opportunity to sit down and 

2219
01:51:52,800 --> 01:52:04,110
interview the actual, UM, head 
of Russian television in DC. 

2220
01:52:04,180 --> 01:52:10,310
So the actual field producer, 
head of head of their operation.

2221
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:14,030
And I'm not talking about art, 
I'm talking about actual Toss 

2222
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:18,890
Russian Television, their 
investigative and news service 

2223
01:52:18,900 --> 01:52:22,240
that was operating out of DC. 
So I had to set opportunity to 

2224
01:52:22,250 --> 01:52:27,250
sit down and and talk with him. 
And he told me very specifically

2225
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:33,450
and his, you know, very heavy 
Russian accent, that the 

2226
01:52:33,460 --> 01:52:42,300
election, COVID, January 6, 
they're all related. 

2227
01:52:44,490 --> 01:52:48,700
And what he meant by that was, 
and now obviously you don't get 

2228
01:52:48,710 --> 01:52:57,880
to be the guy at the top of Toss
News Agency operating in DC 

2229
01:52:57,970 --> 01:53:00,520
unless you're wearing two hats. 
Do you understand what I'm 

2230
01:53:00,530 --> 01:53:02,290
saying by? 
That let me flush that out less 

2231
01:53:02,300 --> 01:53:04,990
you have to because I worked CI.
I worked counterintelligence 

2232
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,620
folks and when you work for 
state affiliated media if you 

2233
01:53:08,630 --> 01:53:12,720
are not actually receiving a W2 
style paycheck from an 

2234
01:53:12,730 --> 01:53:15,900
intelligence service then your 
buddy is an intelligence officer

2235
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:19,500
on a regular basis we'd be what 
we call a Co opt D which means 

2236
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:23,120
you operate on behalf of and you
are a you are a a documented 

2237
01:53:23,130 --> 01:53:26,880
Nexus to the intelligence 
service and and and a formal 

2238
01:53:26,890 --> 01:53:28,950
relationship. 
There is only one way you get to

2239
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:32,000
do that in areas like that 
whether it be China or whether 

2240
01:53:32,010 --> 01:53:34,290
it be Russia. 
There's other You know, North 

2241
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:35,650
Korea is probably completely 
captured there. 

2242
01:53:35,660 --> 01:53:38,140
Probably just the same hat. 
The hat is the one hat, but 

2243
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:42,530
there's 100% chance that this 
person has a massive overlap, if

2244
01:53:42,540 --> 01:53:45,250
not the entire circle on the 
Venn diagram with Russian 

2245
01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:46,530
intelligence. 
Yeah. 

2246
01:53:46,590 --> 01:53:48,800
And and because there are 
propaganda organisation, that's 

2247
01:53:48,810 --> 01:53:49,300
what. 
They do. 

2248
01:53:49,310 --> 01:53:51,490
My my. 
My understanding of that was 

2249
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:54,240
clear long before I ever met. 
With him I'm sure and what's 

2250
01:53:54,250 --> 01:53:56,470
funny is that Matt Taibbi talks 
about this stuff too and you 

2251
01:53:56,480 --> 01:53:59,840
know he's he also spent time in 
Russia and has a very similar 

2252
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,530
like if you don't anybody who's 
done this sort of thing no this 

2253
01:54:02,540 --> 01:54:05,430
is not you were not uninitiated 
to this type of operation I'm. 

2254
01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:08,530
Sure, so. 
But but as he began to explain 

2255
01:54:08,540 --> 01:54:11,660
to me the interconnectivity, the
point is, is he knows more than 

2256
01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:15,600
the average person knows about 
what is happening behind the 

2257
01:54:15,610 --> 01:54:20,240
scenes. 
And so I know as I talk about 

2258
01:54:20,250 --> 01:54:24,300
this narrative win, which was, 
you know, you know, Pelosi's 

2259
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:29,070
famous phrase on the 1st 
anniversary, January 6th, when 

2260
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:33,530
she first entered, at the very 
first of her many commemorative 

2261
01:54:33,540 --> 01:54:38,240
events that she oversaw that 
week, she said that the purpose 

2262
01:54:38,250 --> 01:54:41,060
of this week and these events 
were, and this is a quote, to 

2263
01:54:41,070 --> 01:54:45,390
establish and preserve the 
narrative of January 6. 

2264
01:54:45,550 --> 01:54:48,410
It's almost like the the alcohol
got to our brain and she said 

2265
01:54:48,420 --> 01:54:50,870
the truth, that was a Freudian 
type slip, it feels. 

2266
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,640
Like she repeated that phrase 
several times that week. 

2267
01:54:54,040 --> 01:55:01,330
And so the narrative that was 1 
is what has been allowing them 

2268
01:55:01,340 --> 01:55:03,770
to push these envelopes to get 
by with this. 

2269
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:07,810
And when I realised that they 
went after Massaquoi and they 

2270
01:55:07,820 --> 01:55:10,990
got him and they were able to do
it in such a high profile way. 

2271
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:15,410
As you rightly pointed out Steve
is that you know a guy that they

2272
01:55:15,420 --> 01:55:18,430
know beyond any shadow of a 
doubt was not armed at the time 

2273
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:23,730
because he just got on plane and
and and to arrest him where they

2274
01:55:23,740 --> 01:55:30,160
did in such a public place. 
I said to myself, OK, whatever 

2275
01:55:30,170 --> 01:55:33,700
limitations they had before 
whatever we had done previous 

2276
01:55:33,710 --> 01:55:37,720
with my previous press offensive
back in November and December of

2277
01:55:37,810 --> 01:55:42,020
21 which I think successfully 
backed them off then because 

2278
01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:44,280
when they told me that I would 
be charged within a week then we

2279
01:55:44,290 --> 01:55:48,180
launched a press offensive right
there and then I am in my mind. 

2280
01:55:48,190 --> 01:55:52,840
I thought, OK, even though my 
personal profile is much, I mean

2281
01:55:52,850 --> 01:55:56,080
like infinitely larger. 
Now working with Blaze and and 

2282
01:55:56,090 --> 01:56:00,050
with the the stories that I had 
been releasing, I said to myself

2283
01:56:00,130 --> 01:56:03,910
when he was arrested, OK, I'm 
next because they don't care. 

2284
01:56:03,980 --> 01:56:06,690
They know now where they could 
get by with. 

2285
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:08,790
It's two things though I think 
Steve, cause I think we should 

2286
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,980
be really, I think we should be 
fair minded about the way that 

2287
01:56:10,990 --> 01:56:14,310
they approach this. 
It's it's a lot like a novice 

2288
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,440
general that doesn't understand 
how to run their troops. 

2289
01:56:16,450 --> 01:56:19,210
You know, everybody trained 
during peacetime, but they've 

2290
01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:21,190
never gone to war. 
And so they were like, oh, we'll

2291
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:23,190
just, we'll just grab Baker, 
we'll grab these people, grab 

2292
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:24,430
all these things. 
We're gonna throw all our 

2293
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:25,990
threats out. 
We're gonna get our battle plan.

2294
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:28,090
It meets first contact. 
The first thing that happens is 

2295
01:56:28,100 --> 01:56:29,890
you got big and loud 
immediately. 

2296
01:56:29,900 --> 01:56:32,500
And you did that to the point 
where they were like, oh, we 

2297
01:56:32,510 --> 01:56:34,110
actually can't engage on this 
offensive right now. 

2298
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:35,710
We're gonna have to put that. 
We're gonna table that one. 

2299
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,400
And now they've got an army 
that's been blooded. 

2300
01:56:39,150 --> 01:56:41,510
It's gone out there. 
It's got a bunch of kills, it's 

2301
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,520
got a bunch of captures, it's 
got a bunch of successes and 

2302
01:56:44,530 --> 01:56:47,600
it's got a bunch of notches on 
its belt that have showed 

2303
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,070
success. 
And also more importantly, and I

2304
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,860
think this is the biggest piece 
of it, they've normalised these 

2305
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:54,710
tactics to the point where the 
American people have not 

2306
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:57,180
rebelled. 
It's not like when the FBI shows

2307
01:56:57,190 --> 01:57:00,080
up at 6:00 AM for a search 
warrant on somebody that was, 

2308
01:57:00,330 --> 01:57:02,260
you know, all the neighbours 
knew he was at January 6. 

2309
01:57:02,270 --> 01:57:04,040
But he's a really nice guy and 
he's the teeball coach. 

2310
01:57:04,050 --> 01:57:06,760
And you know, he was showing his
videos on Facebook and all he 

2311
01:57:06,770 --> 01:57:08,800
did was March around and, you 
know, took some pictures and 

2312
01:57:08,810 --> 01:57:10,220
selfie and he brought home a 
brochure. 

2313
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:13,860
That guy got swatted, and nobody
stopped the motorcade from 

2314
01:57:13,870 --> 01:57:16,240
leaving. 
They let it happen, which is 

2315
01:57:16,250 --> 01:57:17,840
what you'd expect to happen in 
America, because we 

2316
01:57:17,850 --> 01:57:19,980
theoretically still have this 
nominal belief that there's 

2317
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:21,910
constitutional law. 
And because they've gotten to 

2318
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:25,380
the point where America hasn't 
reacted as in a single voice and

2319
01:57:25,390 --> 01:57:28,960
said, stop this shit, and I keep
I'm sorry. 

2320
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:30,640
My dad tells me to stop swearing
on these things. 

2321
01:57:30,650 --> 01:57:32,440
He listens to every single one 
of my shows. 

2322
01:57:32,450 --> 01:57:34,590
But there's no other way to talk
about this stuff without being 

2323
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,090
outraged just a little bit. 
And if you're not outraged 

2324
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:39,140
folks, then that's part of the 
that's part of what they're 

2325
01:57:39,150 --> 01:57:40,060
going for. 
That's the win. 

2326
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:41,730
It turns out that actually is 
the win. 

2327
01:57:41,810 --> 01:57:44,260
That's the the victory that 
allows this kind of steady, 

2328
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:47,250
progressive chipping away at it.
And it keeps going. 

2329
01:57:47,260 --> 01:57:51,240
So regardless of how big your 
your your profile is, we've 

2330
01:57:51,250 --> 01:57:54,340
stepped to the point where we've
seen in action they've they've 

2331
01:57:54,350 --> 01:57:56,850
got victories under their belt 
and now they think they can take

2332
01:57:56,860 --> 01:57:58,920
on a Steve Baker. 
Even if Steve Baker is bigger 

2333
01:57:58,930 --> 01:58:01,260
than the old Steve Baker. 
That that's where I fear is 

2334
01:58:01,270 --> 01:58:03,700
really going on, the 
normalisation of it and the 

2335
01:58:03,710 --> 01:58:06,250
inaction has begotten more 
inaction. 

2336
01:58:06,260 --> 01:58:08,590
That's what inertia is. 
It's either tendency to stay at 

2337
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,200
rest or the tendency to stay in 
motion. 

2338
01:58:10,270 --> 01:58:11,720
The American people are at rest 
right now. 

2339
01:58:11,730 --> 01:58:14,640
They've been quelled in their 
their uprisings, except, you 

2340
01:58:14,650 --> 01:58:15,940
know, like if you love Hamas or 
some. 

2341
01:58:16,830 --> 01:58:20,860
You know, the one question that 
I want to ask agent Craig Noy 

2342
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:22,850
is, is simply this. 
And he's listening. 

2343
01:58:22,860 --> 01:58:26,870
So I'll ask you this right now, 
Craig, would you rather be doing

2344
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:30,820
what you're doing right now in 
terms of building a case against

2345
01:58:30,830 --> 01:58:35,280
me for standing on a bench 
inside the crypt of the capital?

2346
01:58:36,010 --> 01:58:43,600
Are would you rather be going 
after people that are actually 

2347
01:58:43,950 --> 01:58:47,660
doing damage to this country 
that are actually harming our 

2348
01:58:47,670 --> 01:58:50,020
citizens who are actually doing 
violence? 

2349
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:56,830
I mean, even if it's a January 6
case, you've spent 2 1/2 years 

2350
01:58:56,900 --> 01:59:01,960
on me for what reason? 
And how many cases this guy 

2351
01:59:01,970 --> 01:59:03,740
carrying? 
I mean, he's in an RA, so maybe 

2352
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:06,280
he's got 20 cases if he's really
an overachiever. 

2353
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,200
No, he's JDF man. 
No, not a chance. 

2354
01:59:09,210 --> 01:59:11,940
It's single digits. 
Well, or everybody has 20 cases 

2355
01:59:11,950 --> 01:59:13,740
between the whole JTF? 
Yes, well, you know. 

2356
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:15,770
Mostly you're just going out and
knocking on doors that are like,

2357
01:59:15,780 --> 01:59:17,440
you know, threat to life stuff, 
you know? 

2358
01:59:17,450 --> 01:59:20,400
Our Intel is our Intel owned 
noise is is that he came out of 

2359
01:59:20,410 --> 01:59:24,830
the Charlotte field office he 
had I think I forget how many 

2360
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:27,810
years he had there but he's got 
he's at somewhere between 16 and

2361
01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:29,980
18 years total with the Bureau 
right now. 

2362
01:59:30,050 --> 01:59:32,490
He's keeping his head down. 
I'm holding hands. 

2363
01:59:32,500 --> 01:59:38,390
I've been told that he's a good 
guy and that the the, the agent 

2364
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:41,530
who gave me the Intel on him 
actually said these words that 

2365
01:59:41,540 --> 01:59:44,890
they're surprised that he's 
doing what he's doing right now 

2366
01:59:45,140 --> 01:59:46,120
he's doing. 
What he's told. 

2367
01:59:46,620 --> 01:59:49,510
That he moved to Raleigh with 
his family for better quality of

2368
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,350
life. 
Get out of Charlotte and and it 

2369
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:55,310
was an easier gig in much lower 
crime rate in Raleigh than it is

2370
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:58,970
in Charlotte. 
And so yeah, so. 

2371
01:59:58,980 --> 02:00:00,630
So I ask you, Greg, why are you 
doing this? 

2372
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:04,730
There's conversations that were 
going on, at least in my office,

2373
02:00:04,740 --> 02:00:08,370
where they were getting on call 
calls from Washington and these 

2374
02:00:08,380 --> 02:00:11,350
cases were being delayed. 
And they said, yeah, we don't we

2375
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,630
we don't know what we're gonna 
do on this one yet. 

2376
02:00:13,690 --> 02:00:17,510
Let's just go back through the 
code book and see if we can't 

2377
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:21,610
find more charges to tack on 
this person because they know 

2378
02:00:21,620 --> 02:00:23,980
how weak the cases are, 
especially for a case like 

2379
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:25,310
yours. 
So I imagine your case is 

2380
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:27,590
something like that which is why
it's taking so long because they

2381
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:30,290
just they keep delaying it 
because they know it's going to 

2382
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:32,430
be inconvenient. 
And they're just going to go 

2383
02:00:32,440 --> 02:00:34,690
back through that code book and 
see if they can find something 

2384
02:00:34,700 --> 02:00:38,570
like the park bench crime or or 
something to that effect so that

2385
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,060
they can avoid having to deal 
with you. 

2386
02:00:41,070 --> 02:00:44,940
Saying, well, I I didn't violate
any of the the provisions that 

2387
02:00:44,950 --> 02:00:47,440
you're alleging that I did 
because they know that you're 

2388
02:00:47,550 --> 02:00:49,420
you're gonna be a squealer. 
You're gonna want you're gonna 

2389
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:51,410
be one that's gonna make them 
actually have to work for it. 

2390
02:00:51,420 --> 02:00:54,150
Whereas most people are just 
going to plead guilty get get 

2391
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:57,640
beyond it and and then they can 
just get another victory in the 

2392
02:00:57,650 --> 02:01:00,180
win column and then move on to 
the next one. 

2393
02:01:00,290 --> 02:01:03,700
And nobody is willing to just, 
you know, I'm sure your attorney

2394
02:01:03,710 --> 02:01:05,880
is probably like this. 
I mean he's he's like the Tom 

2395
02:01:05,890 --> 02:01:07,300
Cruise character from A few good
men. 

2396
02:01:07,310 --> 02:01:09,880
He walks in like, Were you 
absent the day they taught law 

2397
02:01:09,890 --> 02:01:13,360
at law school? 
At least Conlaw, right? 

2398
02:01:13,470 --> 02:01:16,040
By the way, I'm going to be 10/7
for a second and I hear Garrett 

2399
02:01:16,050 --> 02:01:18,460
with a deep, deep sigh, which 
means that Garrett has some 

2400
02:01:18,470 --> 02:01:20,220
strong feelings that are that 
are welling up. 

2401
02:01:20,230 --> 02:01:22,410
I can. 
I can feel Garrett's feelings 

2402
02:01:22,420 --> 02:01:23,740
welling up. 
So anyway, I'm 10/7 for a 

2403
02:01:23,750 --> 02:01:26,380
second. 
Alright, yeah, I'm Steve. 

2404
02:01:26,450 --> 02:01:29,980
You just nailed it about these 
agents and whoever else. 

2405
02:01:29,990 --> 02:01:33,220
AUSA I'm sure can be involved 
sometimes going through the 

2406
02:01:33,230 --> 02:01:37,640
codebook and just coming up with
whatever extra things they can 

2407
02:01:37,650 --> 02:01:40,240
tack on. 
And it's it's great timing 

2408
02:01:40,250 --> 02:01:42,460
because we have only one Debbie 
Lee. 

2409
02:01:42,530 --> 02:01:46,060
She threw up a few rumble rants 
to to get us all to kind of 

2410
02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:50,410
respond to that very thing. 
In her first one, she says those

2411
02:01:50,420 --> 02:01:56,670
of us charged with felony 1512, 
which is tampering with a 

2412
02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:01,810
witness, victim or informant. 
She says we live this nightmare 

2413
02:02:01,820 --> 02:02:04,870
24/7. 
What is the panel opinion on the

2414
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:08,330
1512 case before SCOTUS, which 
for those of you don't know is 

2415
02:02:08,340 --> 02:02:11,090
Supreme Court of the United 
States, will we prevail? 

2416
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:15,790
And so I was engaging with her a
little bit in the chat and she 

2417
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:20,010
says the USA literally said the 
government view of Miss Lee's 

2418
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:22,750
case has evolved, no new 
evidence. 

2419
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:29,970
And so as far as the the Supreme
Court case regarding this topic,

2420
02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:32,350
I was not aware of it. 
So I'm going to dig into that a 

2421
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:33,990
little bit. 
Will you prevail? 

2422
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:37,270
I sure hope so. 
But you never know these days 

2423
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:42,060
with even the Supreme Court in 
my view, you know, Steve Baker 

2424
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:45,960
has been talking about how this 
is all connected, starting with 

2425
02:02:45,970 --> 02:02:50,510
COVID and then moving the needle
forward more and more with, you 

2426
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:54,620
know, restrictions and whether 
you're, you know, a mandatory 

2427
02:02:54,630 --> 02:02:58,790
employee or not. 
And leading up into January 6th,

2428
02:02:59,850 --> 02:03:03,640
I won't hold my breath. 
I think the three branches of 

2429
02:03:03,650 --> 02:03:07,670
government, they're not as Co 
equal as we've been led to 

2430
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:11,210
believe our whole lives. 
The legislative branch, they 

2431
02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:13,340
don't seem interested in doing 
much. 

2432
02:03:13,540 --> 02:03:18,810
The judicial branch, I mean 
we'll see I guess what happens 

2433
02:03:18,820 --> 02:03:21,630
with this case, but I don't know
it seems like the executive 

2434
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:24,730
branch because that's what the 
FBI and DOJ, where they come 

2435
02:03:24,740 --> 02:03:28,410
from, seems like they are the 
ones really with the reins of 

2436
02:03:28,420 --> 02:03:32,410
government because honestly 
who's going to stop the FBI from

2437
02:03:32,420 --> 02:03:35,710
doing whatever they want? 
Who's going to stop the USA, the

2438
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:38,700
DOJ, from doing whatever they 
want with coming up with 

2439
02:03:38,770 --> 02:03:42,760
whatever law they can to say, 
OK, we're gonna charge you with 

2440
02:03:42,770 --> 02:03:47,640
this now and then, Deb Lee, as 
you mentioned, you're heading 

2441
02:03:47,650 --> 02:03:50,350
into your misdemeanour case and 
now they throw this felony at 

2442
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:53,460
you. 
And it just in my mind, it just 

2443
02:03:53,470 --> 02:03:58,910
goes to show more of these agent
noise types who they're willing 

2444
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:03,570
to sacrifice you for themselves.
They're willing to sacrifice 

2445
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:06,370
whatever it takes. 
They're willing to sacrifice 

2446
02:04:06,380 --> 02:04:10,030
their conscience. 
I've heard of Put This Way by a 

2447
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:12,410
former colleague of mine in the 
FBI. 

2448
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:15,910
It was something like the 
perpetual persecution of 

2449
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:21,140
personal principles for like 
your paycheck, your pension and 

2450
02:04:21,150 --> 02:04:23,440
your promotion. 
And I think in a lot of ways 

2451
02:04:23,450 --> 02:04:25,920
that really is what it is. 
You know, Steve was talking 

2452
02:04:25,930 --> 02:04:29,140
about Noah is moving to Raleigh 
for a better, better quality of 

2453
02:04:29,150 --> 02:04:31,040
life. 
He may have that better quality 

2454
02:04:31,050 --> 02:04:35,580
of life in his day-to-day 
business, but then he's working 

2455
02:04:35,590 --> 02:04:39,720
cases like this to just try to 
get something to stick because 

2456
02:04:39,730 --> 02:04:42,820
he was told to. 
And it it makes me think of our 

2457
02:04:42,830 --> 02:04:45,540
trip to the Holocaust Memorial 
Museum. 

2458
02:04:45,730 --> 02:04:48,770
For those of you who who follow 
us, you know, we talk about that

2459
02:04:48,780 --> 02:04:52,020
a lot and maybe some of you 
think it's getting old. 

2460
02:04:52,030 --> 02:04:54,670
I hope not, But it it is a very 
poignant trip. 

2461
02:04:55,460 --> 02:04:57,960
And there's a reason they send 
every FBI employee to the 

2462
02:04:57,970 --> 02:05:00,570
Holocaust Memorial Museum. 
And it's so we don't forget the 

2463
02:05:00,580 --> 02:05:03,280
sins of the past. 
We don't forget what humans are 

2464
02:05:03,290 --> 02:05:07,490
capable of and then includes 
humans in law enforcement, I 

2465
02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:09,730
would say. 
Especially humans in those 

2466
02:05:09,740 --> 02:05:13,870
positions of power like that 
need to be cognizant and 

2467
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:17,190
reminded of what humans have 
done to each other throughout 

2468
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:20,280
history. 
And if we don't start turning 

2469
02:05:20,290 --> 02:05:24,310
these things back now like it's 
a it's a dangerous era. 

2470
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:29,530
I know I've said it before. 
It's 1933 Germany, and in the 

2471
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:33,320
early 30s in Germany there was 
massive law enforcement reform. 

2472
02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:38,000
You had to be a Nazi, a a member
of the Nazi party to be in law 

2473
02:05:38,010 --> 02:05:42,690
enforcement then, and no one 
then thought, oh, it's gonna end

2474
02:05:42,700 --> 02:05:49,310
in us murdering people. 
But Fast forward to July of 1942

2475
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:52,830
and this tale of the ordinary 
men, the reserve police 

2476
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:54,810
battalion. 
And that's precisely what they 

2477
02:05:54,820 --> 02:05:58,820
were doing. 
But in the 30s, it was OK. 

2478
02:05:58,830 --> 02:06:00,860
I'm not really. 
I'm not really a Nazi. 

2479
02:06:00,870 --> 02:06:03,540
But, you know, I gotta get my 
pension and I'm. 

2480
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:06,060
I'm 10 years away, so I Yeah. 
OK, fine. 

2481
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:08,700
I guess I'll just sign on to the
Nazi party because I can't lose 

2482
02:06:08,710 --> 02:06:10,880
my job. 
I I couldn't fathom that. 

2483
02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:12,760
I've got mouths to feed in a 
mortgage to pay. 

2484
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:14,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, we all do. 

2485
02:06:14,650 --> 02:06:17,040
That doesn't mean you sacrifice 
what is right. 

2486
02:06:17,110 --> 02:06:19,160
It doesn't mean you sacrifice 
what is good. 

2487
02:06:19,210 --> 02:06:21,320
It doesn't mean you sacrifice 
what is holy. 

2488
02:06:21,370 --> 02:06:25,610
Doesn't mean you sacrifice your 
oath so you can get that 

2489
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:27,620
biweekly paycheck every two 
weeks. 

2490
02:06:27,810 --> 02:06:33,110
Well, that's redundant. 
But, you know, do you guys want 

2491
02:06:33,120 --> 02:06:35,710
to? 
Respond to that the way the 

2492
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:43,270
connectivity between COVID, the 
2020 election in January 6 and 

2493
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:47,530
we piece together what is the 
most important connective tissue

2494
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:53,070
and that is their attack against
speech on every single count. 

2495
02:06:53,140 --> 02:06:55,910
And this is what the 
establishment and the 

2496
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,750
preservation of the narrative 
and why it's so important to the

2497
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:04,670
progressives because they threw 
are throwing a wet blanket over 

2498
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:08,270
the 1st Amendment right Now with
regards to all three of those, 

2499
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:12,590
as you know we just start with 
COVID if we oppose the regime in

2500
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:16,080
any way, shape or form. 
Now when when COVID came to town

2501
02:07:16,250 --> 02:07:20,220
I was 60 years old, I weighed 
165 lbs. 

2502
02:07:20,490 --> 02:07:27,180
I was even at my age I knew that
this was, you know something 

2503
02:07:27,190 --> 02:07:29,140
that the the the shot and all of
that. 

2504
02:07:29,150 --> 02:07:31,260
I didn't need it. 
I I was healthy. 

2505
02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:35,220
I had seen the numbers. 
I had run the math before, 

2506
02:07:35,330 --> 02:07:42,280
before the the before we ever 
knew that the infected fatality 

2507
02:07:42,290 --> 02:07:45,740
rate was less than 1%. 
I had already run the math using

2508
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:49,120
basic 5th grade long division 
and had determined that it was 

2509
02:07:49,130 --> 02:07:51,740
somewhere around 1/4 of a 
percent and that was as an 

2510
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:56,680
average against across all age 
groups and all health groups as 

2511
02:07:56,690 --> 02:07:59,440
well. 
I knew that the elderly, the 

2512
02:07:59,530 --> 02:08:02,400
people with four or five, eight 
comorbidities were most 

2513
02:08:02,410 --> 02:08:04,800
vulnerable and that was 
ratcheting the numbers up. 

2514
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:07,180
But even at 60 years old, it 
wasn't effect. 

2515
02:08:07,190 --> 02:08:10,820
It was not going to affect me or
extremely minimal. 

2516
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:14,760
It while though that everybody 
who who looked at it and said I 

2517
02:08:14,770 --> 02:08:16,910
am basically a sceptic and I 
think that's your position 

2518
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,290
that's that would be that 
investigator sort of background 

2519
02:08:19,300 --> 02:08:23,270
you got if you're a sceptic and 
someone tells you, look we have 

2520
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:25,650
all the data on something that 
we've never had this kind of 

2521
02:08:25,660 --> 02:08:28,390
fast data on before in history 
and we're going to show you a 

2522
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:32,010
live death count on CNN and on 
Fox News and on MSNBC and ABC 

2523
02:08:32,020 --> 02:08:35,310
and all and all the rest. 
And you go, how in the world are

2524
02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:37,910
they calculating these numbers 
like these numbers look like the

2525
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,010
national debt which we can 
actually do because there's an 

2526
02:08:40,020 --> 02:08:41,810
algorithm and because those 
numbers are fixed and 

2527
02:08:41,820 --> 02:08:44,850
normalised. 
How in the actual hell are they 

2528
02:08:44,860 --> 02:08:47,070
telling you that people are 
dying when we get that 

2529
02:08:47,130 --> 02:08:49,620
information in real life, two 
years in arrears, Anybody who's 

2530
02:08:49,630 --> 02:08:52,320
ever done death statistics, 
who's ever worked in EMS, who's 

2531
02:08:52,330 --> 02:08:55,060
ever worked in public safety, 
who's ever read a newspaper and 

2532
02:08:55,070 --> 02:08:57,800
been like, oh, the numbers for 
2022 aren't out yet. 

2533
02:08:57,810 --> 02:09:00,240
But based on the most recent 
numbers of homicides in Chicago,

2534
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:03,200
which was 2021, you know, we 
know that the finalised number 

2535
02:09:03,210 --> 02:09:05,560
are still 18 months old. 
That's just way that's how 

2536
02:09:05,570 --> 02:09:08,380
numbers work because reporting 
takes time. 

2537
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:10,860
And they were giving you 
apparently like actual real 

2538
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:11,890
time. 
There was like, apparently a 

2539
02:09:11,900 --> 02:09:13,420
bunch of people from the 
government that were like, 

2540
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:14,700
monitoring people and, like, 
he's dead. 

2541
02:09:14,710 --> 02:09:16,670
That's good. 
OK, yeah, he's also dead. 

2542
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:18,230
Let's go. 
And they were running numbers 

2543
02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:20,270
like like this. 
We know that's not real. 

2544
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:24,050
It was just, it was so obviously
full of crap right up front. 

2545
02:09:24,280 --> 02:09:28,460
And then how funny is it your RT
connection or your your Russian 

2546
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:30,560
television connection, your 
your, your spook that you're 

2547
02:09:30,570 --> 02:09:33,700
talking to in the United States?
Congratulations on this schedule

2548
02:09:33,710 --> 02:09:35,040
G. 
Yes. 

2549
02:09:35,050 --> 02:09:36,890
I investigation. 
That totally justifies an 

2550
02:09:36,900 --> 02:09:38,920
intelligence investigation. 
We all have those now, so it 

2551
02:09:38,930 --> 02:09:40,600
doesn't matter. 
I'm sure you had one beforehand,

2552
02:09:40,700 --> 02:09:46,210
but the idea is, is that COVID 
messaging victory, public, 

2553
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:49,270
public thrust into the the 
sphere where they are actually 

2554
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:51,780
changing the way that the system
works. 

2555
02:09:51,860 --> 02:09:53,150
They're changing the source 
code. 

2556
02:09:53,980 --> 02:09:55,830
Steve thinks it's the most 
overrated movie in the world. 

2557
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,260
But the Matrix, let's do a movie
reference in the Matrix. 

2558
02:09:58,270 --> 02:10:00,850
When they did the change of the 
code in the Matrix, that's when 

2559
02:10:00,860 --> 02:10:03,160
you got the deja vu, right? 
Like that was something that was

2560
02:10:03,170 --> 02:10:05,010
big when I was in high school. 
They changed the code of the 

2561
02:10:05,020 --> 02:10:06,530
Matrix. 
That's when you saw the cat 

2562
02:10:06,540 --> 02:10:10,370
glitch and it goes by twice. 
And they changed it for COVID. 

2563
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:12,810
They changed it for the Russia, 
Russia, Russia hoax. 

2564
02:10:12,820 --> 02:10:15,890
They moved the goalpost on that.
They changed it about what's 

2565
02:10:15,900 --> 02:10:19,060
going on with January fix all 
these things and all of them 

2566
02:10:19,070 --> 02:10:22,940
also interestingly enough tied 
into the biggest government 

2567
02:10:22,990 --> 02:10:26,280
involvement in censorship that's
ever happened, at least in our 

2568
02:10:26,290 --> 02:10:28,910
awareness with the Twitter file 
unveiling and all the other 

2569
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:30,820
stuff that Taibbi and 
Shellenberger have been showing.

2570
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:32,970
All of these stories were 
related and they all are 

2571
02:10:32,980 --> 02:10:35,360
happening at the same time. 
Government weaponization, 

2572
02:10:35,450 --> 02:10:37,640
censorship and the government 
getting involved in First 

2573
02:10:37,650 --> 02:10:40,780
Amendment protected liberties. 
You know, public health being 

2574
02:10:40,790 --> 02:10:43,680
weaponized against people and 
the messaging campaign that's 

2575
02:10:43,690 --> 02:10:45,320
coming from all of them. 
And the fact that the media is 

2576
02:10:45,330 --> 02:10:47,820
complicit in which you know, 
let's be real, the media has 

2577
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:50,310
always had versions of itself 
and parts of itself that were 

2578
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:51,700
captured. 
But the idea that all of these 

2579
02:10:51,710 --> 02:10:54,820
were working in concert to 
deprive liberty is the 

2580
02:10:54,830 --> 02:10:57,480
antithesis of what I think. 
This is why you're so scary, 

2581
02:10:57,650 --> 02:10:59,820
Steve Baker. 
This is why people are scared of

2582
02:10:59,830 --> 02:11:02,950
you because you're doing the 
blue collar work of journalism. 

2583
02:11:03,010 --> 02:11:05,640
It's why people are scared of 
real independent journalism. 

2584
02:11:05,650 --> 02:11:09,130
Because if you're not subject to
a big corporation that needs a 

2585
02:11:09,140 --> 02:11:12,820
bunch of government handouts, 
then you're truly untethered to 

2586
02:11:12,830 --> 02:11:14,810
do investigations. 
Which is kind of what we thought

2587
02:11:14,820 --> 02:11:16,830
the I was doing. 
But we know that they're not. 

2588
02:11:16,980 --> 02:11:19,210
How scary is it? 
That's all sows up into this 

2589
02:11:19,220 --> 02:11:22,110
nice neat purse of America is 
kind of screwed right now. 

2590
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:23,500
We're gonna have to fight our 
way out of this bag. 

2591
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:25,370
The good news is the enemies in 
all directions. 

2592
02:11:25,420 --> 02:11:27,600
Literally all you gotta do is 
swing and you're going to hit 

2593
02:11:27,610 --> 02:11:30,020
the bad guys because they're 
they're surrounding us So it 

2594
02:11:30,030 --> 02:11:31,350
makes it easy. 
We got them right where we want 

2595
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:33,390
them there in all directions, 
everywhere we shoot. 

2596
02:11:33,540 --> 02:11:34,950
I mean. 
People are reference. 

2597
02:11:35,140 --> 02:11:39,550
At the end of the day, would 
would Special Agent Craig Noyes 

2598
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:43,110
rather be investigating need for
standing on a Bench? 

2599
02:11:43,190 --> 02:11:48,270
Or would he rather be 
investigating corruption at the 

2600
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:54,930
Capital Police that's tied to 
representatives in the House, 

2601
02:11:54,980 --> 02:11:58,020
which is then tied to? 
What if? 

2602
02:11:58,070 --> 02:11:59,550
What if? 
The worst What if? 

2603
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:01,500
The worst Camera 100. 
Percent No, no, no, no. 

2604
02:12:01,510 --> 02:12:04,910
What if the worst is true? 
OK, let's speculate on this just

2605
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:07,140
to for a minute. 
What if he doesn't care? 

2606
02:12:08,070 --> 02:12:09,420
Yeah. 
And that, that, that. 

2607
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:11,320
That's what we like, throw guard
up here. 

2608
02:12:11,330 --> 02:12:13,520
Because I think like that's the 
thing that I've arrived at. 

2609
02:12:13,530 --> 02:12:15,080
What if it? 
What if it's six of one half 

2610
02:12:15,090 --> 02:12:17,180
dozen the other and it as long 
as they get my paycheck, I'll 

2611
02:12:17,190 --> 02:12:18,640
just do whatever. 
You tell me, what if that's the?

2612
02:12:18,650 --> 02:12:21,200
Case I think that's most. 
I think that's where most are 

2613
02:12:21,210 --> 02:12:24,460
at. 
And they may even sometimes 

2614
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:28,740
think, man, sorry, Steve Baker, 
you know, in their heart of 

2615
02:12:28,750 --> 02:12:33,660
hearts, but who comes first? 
The self. 

2616
02:12:33,770 --> 02:12:37,780
The vast majority of people on 
earth put self before everybody 

2617
02:12:37,790 --> 02:12:40,280
else. 
They don't have this. 

2618
02:12:40,340 --> 02:12:42,480
I think people in law 
enforcement, especially in the 

2619
02:12:42,490 --> 02:12:45,720
FBI, you're a leader. 
Whether you want to be or not. 

2620
02:12:45,730 --> 02:12:49,510
You're in the FBI. 
You're an FBI agent and. 

2621
02:12:49,560 --> 02:12:51,700
They make movies about there, 
like you're a real person and 

2622
02:12:51,710 --> 02:12:53,650
they make movies about people 
that are supposed to be like 

2623
02:12:53,660 --> 02:12:54,930
you, even if they're fake and 
and. 

2624
02:12:54,940 --> 02:12:56,810
Garbage. 
Most interesting person in every

2625
02:12:56,820 --> 02:13:01,440
room you walk into. 
Like for me, I guess Steve and I

2626
02:13:01,450 --> 02:13:05,430
have talked about this on on 
Amrad and you guys know right. 

2627
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:07,490
Where am I gonna go? 
I'm going to go to Christ. 

2628
02:13:08,610 --> 02:13:10,920
Shortly before he was crucified,
what did he do? 

2629
02:13:10,930 --> 02:13:15,970
He washed his disciples feet as 
an act of true servant 

2630
02:13:15,980 --> 02:13:19,840
leadership. 
We don't see that from the FBI. 

2631
02:13:19,900 --> 02:13:23,500
We don't see that from the DOJ. 
We don't see that from the White

2632
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:25,330
House. 
We don't see that from the 

2633
02:13:25,340 --> 02:13:29,160
leaders in this country. 
They will put themselves 1st. 

2634
02:13:29,210 --> 02:13:31,800
Every time. 
I think of my time in the Army, 

2635
02:13:31,850 --> 02:13:35,520
my the best leaders I had were 
the ones who would get down and 

2636
02:13:35,530 --> 02:13:38,760
dirty in the muck with us. 
They were the ones who would do 

2637
02:13:38,770 --> 02:13:41,040
the thing that they asked you to
do. 

2638
02:13:41,250 --> 02:13:44,580
The best of the best were the 
ones who would do the harder 

2639
02:13:44,590 --> 02:13:46,380
thing and not even ask you to do
it. 

2640
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:49,490
And we just, by and large, we 
don't see that. 

2641
02:13:49,500 --> 02:13:52,830
We just don't have it. 
And whether it's Agent Noyes or 

2642
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:56,290
a countless other people in the 
FBI or the government writ 

2643
02:13:56,300 --> 02:14:00,850
large, we can point to and say 
you, you don't deserve the 

2644
02:14:00,860 --> 02:14:03,610
position you're in. 
You're forsaking your oath every

2645
02:14:03,620 --> 02:14:06,170
day and it's just, it's just a 
shame, man. 

2646
02:14:06,220 --> 02:14:09,580
Like, yeah, I'm brooding. 
I'm gonna mute myself. 

2647
02:14:09,590 --> 02:14:13,120
And bring some more. 
I was, I'm reminded the the the 

2648
02:14:13,130 --> 02:14:15,900
time that he's got in apparently
from what your Intel is telling 

2649
02:14:15,910 --> 02:14:18,520
you, it's it's really consistent
with the advice that I got from 

2650
02:14:18,530 --> 02:14:23,080
a very senior agent when I was 
in Indian country where you're 

2651
02:14:23,090 --> 02:14:26,440
fully assigned that 25 cases. 
I mean I was carrying like 40 

2652
02:14:26,510 --> 02:14:30,220
and it was it the ebbs and flows
go out there where you could 

2653
02:14:30,230 --> 02:14:33,870
just be going up 1000 miles an 
hour at all times and things 

2654
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:37,180
just always reach a crescendo at
all all your cases at the same 

2655
02:14:37,190 --> 02:14:38,520
time. 
It's just that the nature of the

2656
02:14:38,530 --> 02:14:40,180
work out there. 
And I was at one of those places

2657
02:14:40,190 --> 02:14:42,110
and it was pretty early in my 
career and I was like super 

2658
02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:44,690
stressed out. 
And he just comes up to me. 

2659
02:14:44,700 --> 02:14:46,630
He goes, Hey Steve, you know 
what? 

2660
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:51,710
The winner of the pie eating 
contest gets another π and 

2661
02:14:51,720 --> 02:14:54,170
because he wasn't working more 
cases than he had. 

2662
02:14:54,180 --> 02:14:56,950
Is that not the most, like, 
federal thing you could ever 

2663
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:00,230
hear? 
It's it's like, hey, I used to 

2664
02:15:00,240 --> 02:15:03,020
tell people this too. 
And and Baker, this is worth 

2665
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:04,280
knowing. 
When you look at these guys 

2666
02:15:04,290 --> 02:15:08,490
across the table from you, 
there's no bonus for convicting 

2667
02:15:08,500 --> 02:15:10,130
Steve Baker. 
There's no bonus for an 

2668
02:15:10,140 --> 02:15:12,310
indictment. 
He's already got his dream post.

2669
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:14,460
If he's on his dream sheet and 
got to move to the place that he

2670
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:18,770
wanted to retire from, there's 
no bonus for for showing up and 

2671
02:15:18,780 --> 02:15:21,590
working harder on things that 
you know are illegal, immoral, 

2672
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:24,370
unethical or just downright make
you feel gross. 

2673
02:15:25,130 --> 02:15:28,340
You can slow play that you're a 
fed you get 15 years in other 

2674
02:15:28,350 --> 02:15:30,370
than like my buddy Phil you're 
never gonna get cancelled for 

2675
02:15:30,380 --> 02:15:33,440
doing your job. 
Your your energy you bring to it

2676
02:15:33,450 --> 02:15:35,880
is your energy. 
And so the idea that like a pie 

2677
02:15:35,890 --> 02:15:38,840
eating contest or the idea that 
you would just you know, I would

2678
02:15:38,850 --> 02:15:42,200
rather find the truth and I'd 
rather find exculpatory 

2679
02:15:42,210 --> 02:15:44,600
information which is what you've
been doing in your investigative

2680
02:15:44,610 --> 02:15:47,080
work which is you know 
apparently outside of the 

2681
02:15:47,090 --> 02:15:49,290
purview the government is 
looking for wins. 

2682
02:15:49,710 --> 02:15:51,880
The government is supposed to 
actually win when the process 

2683
02:15:51,890 --> 02:15:54,510
works and the and the outcome of
it is irrelevant. 

2684
02:15:54,590 --> 02:15:57,190
The idea that we've got all 
these USA's who are looking to 

2685
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:59,080
notch their belts so maybe they 
can go be great defence 

2686
02:15:59,090 --> 02:16:00,920
attorneys somewhere make a bunch
of money like I don't know what 

2687
02:16:00,930 --> 02:16:02,400
they're doing. 
I don't get it. 

2688
02:16:02,450 --> 02:16:04,920
But if you bring something to an
you saying by the way this is a 

2689
02:16:04,930 --> 02:16:07,940
shitty case and here's why. 
And I found this exculpatory 

2690
02:16:07,950 --> 02:16:10,480
information, and we have to 
disclose it. 

2691
02:16:10,530 --> 02:16:12,820
So why would we even happening 
left and right? 

2692
02:16:12,830 --> 02:16:15,120
And it should have been like, 
you know, close for bandwidth, 

2693
02:16:15,250 --> 02:16:16,830
close for any reason you want. 
There's a bunch of 

2694
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:19,420
administrative codes we can 
close investigations on. 

2695
02:16:19,570 --> 02:16:22,040
But like, my proudest moment as 
an FBI agent was literally 

2696
02:16:22,050 --> 02:16:24,620
finding exculpatory evidence. 
And that's kind of silly. 

2697
02:16:24,670 --> 02:16:27,720
It was closing a case that was 
brought to me by an AUSA about a

2698
02:16:27,730 --> 02:16:29,530
guy who was listed on the sex 
offender registry. 

2699
02:16:29,540 --> 02:16:31,520
We thought he was doing 
something that he wasn't my 

2700
02:16:31,530 --> 02:16:33,980
investigation, which was not a 
tonne of work, but I had to go 

2701
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:36,860
and get some files unsealed and 
some court records that were 15 

2702
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:39,280
years old. 
And when we did, it was very 

2703
02:16:39,290 --> 02:16:41,190
apparent that the thing that we 
thought was happening was not 

2704
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:42,889
happening and there was no 
reason to continue. 

2705
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:45,090
And we shut it down. 
I have that was in. 

2706
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:49,090
I have hand delivered if the 
Department of Justice was truly.

2707
02:16:49,750 --> 02:16:52,980
Interested in justice and not 
what you said. 

2708
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:55,080
Notches in their gun belts. 
Hmm. 

2709
02:16:56,110 --> 02:16:59,780
I have hand delivered them on a 
silver platter with a linen 

2710
02:17:00,290 --> 02:17:04,990
napkin. 
The evidence of corruption and a

2711
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:09,639
government agency and the 
evidence of perjury in their 

2712
02:17:09,650 --> 02:17:12,790
courtroom if they were. 
Interested in justice wouldn't. 

2713
02:17:12,799 --> 02:17:15,820
They be interested in that? 
Wouldn't they want to be 

2714
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:18,299
screaming bloody murder? 
How did that get past us? 

2715
02:17:18,370 --> 02:17:20,860
How did these guys get on the 
stand? 

2716
02:17:21,010 --> 02:17:23,459
First of all, neither one of 
them should have even been 

2717
02:17:23,469 --> 02:17:28,260
allowed to be there because of 
their disciplinary files, which 

2718
02:17:28,270 --> 02:17:31,620
we are going to be showing the 
world very shortly. 

2719
02:17:31,730 --> 02:17:34,570
I I want to, I want to cover 
this like long form, actually 

2720
02:17:34,580 --> 02:17:36,240
want to bring up the letter and 
some of the stuff that we're 

2721
02:17:36,250 --> 02:17:37,770
gonna talk about there. 
I also want to show another 

2722
02:17:37,780 --> 02:17:40,059
video of you doing some Bowie 
stuff because I just think we 

2723
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:41,190
could use a little palette 
cleanse. 

2724
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,160
It's kind of heavy, if you'll 
bear with me. 

2725
02:17:43,170 --> 02:17:45,780
If you guys wanted to to take a 
10/7 break too, let me do a 

2726
02:17:45,790 --> 02:17:48,330
quick ad read for my folks over 
at at 4 Patriots. 

2727
02:17:48,340 --> 02:17:51,200
If that's cool and you guys can 
take a quick breather and we'll 

2728
02:17:51,209 --> 02:17:53,780
we'll get ready to tie into some
heavy stuff and then we'll wrap 

2729
02:17:53,790 --> 02:17:54,389
this thing up. 
Folks. 

2730
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:57,080
If you want to go to 
fourpatriots.com slash Kyle, the

2731
02:17:57,090 --> 02:18:01,080
number 4 Patriots with an S on 
the end of it.com/kyle, the 

2732
02:18:01,090 --> 02:18:03,309
stuff that they have have sent 
me was the survival food. 

2733
02:18:03,320 --> 02:18:05,969
I got the 72 hour pack. 
You guys can go anywhere from a 

2734
02:18:05,980 --> 02:18:09,170
single meal to 72 hour pack, 
which is good for a family of 

2735
02:18:09,180 --> 02:18:12,200
four for a couple of days and 
you can work all the way up to 

2736
02:18:12,209 --> 02:18:13,510
the one year of survival 
supplies. 

2737
02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:16,260
If you guys want to make sure 
that you hide yourself against 

2738
02:18:16,270 --> 02:18:19,010
the contingency that something 
really wild kicks off in this 

2739
02:18:19,020 --> 02:18:22,290
country and you are unable to 
feed your family, it's really 

2740
02:18:22,299 --> 02:18:24,160
nice to be able to know that you
got that security and the Peace 

2741
02:18:24,170 --> 02:18:26,379
of Mind. 
It's guaranteed for 25 years. 

2742
02:18:26,450 --> 02:18:29,870
Stuff is packed and durable and 
made to be able to last, so you 

2743
02:18:29,879 --> 02:18:31,860
don't have to use it right away.
You don't have to cycle it 

2744
02:18:31,870 --> 02:18:33,700
through. 
It's the good news and bad news.

2745
02:18:33,709 --> 02:18:35,520
You're gonna be storing it and 
you're gonna be holding on to it

2746
02:18:35,530 --> 02:18:37,760
for that, for that rainy day 
when things go sideways. 

2747
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:39,889
You if you're a camper, you're a
hiker. 

2748
02:18:39,900 --> 02:18:41,809
You can also work it into your 
regular routine and make sure 

2749
02:18:41,820 --> 02:18:44,230
you're used to preparing it on a
wood fire or anything like that.

2750
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,160
And they've got all kinds of 
fire starters and they've got 

2751
02:18:46,219 --> 02:18:48,870
solar stuff. 
So check out for the number four

2752
02:18:48,879 --> 02:18:52,860
patriots.com/kyle. 
Again, fourpatriots.com/kyle. 

2753
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:54,820
Or if you go to their website 
through any other link, you can 

2754
02:18:54,830 --> 02:18:58,000
just use our promo code. 
KYL, It's going to save you 

2755
02:18:58,010 --> 02:19:00,020
money on all the different 
bundles they put together and 

2756
02:19:00,070 --> 02:19:01,540
worth your time to think about 
it. 

2757
02:19:01,549 --> 02:19:03,660
When we're talking about all 
this government malfeasance and 

2758
02:19:03,670 --> 02:19:05,820
sort of the ugly things that are
happening out there in the 

2759
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:10,120
world, Man, it can scare you. 
And you can hedge against that 

2760
02:19:10,129 --> 02:19:11,469
by having some opportunities to 
do it. 

2761
02:19:11,540 --> 02:19:13,850
Let's play one of those videos. 
I made you download them, Ryan, 

2762
02:19:13,860 --> 02:19:15,250
if you would. 
I wanna throw. 

2763
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:18,209
We played, I think the bowl 
experience. 

2764
02:19:18,219 --> 02:19:20,030
We play video. 
Yeah, let's play #2. 

2765
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:23,570
Because folks, if you're a Bowie
fan, China Girl is probably on 

2766
02:19:23,580 --> 02:19:25,709
your list. 
This is a fan video that was 

2767
02:19:25,719 --> 02:19:26,870
made. 
We found this on YouTube. 

2768
02:19:26,879 --> 02:19:29,840
And this is Steve Baker, the man
you've been hearing about having

2769
02:19:29,850 --> 02:19:31,870
the FBI come after him. 
I just kind of like painting the

2770
02:19:31,879 --> 02:19:33,250
picture. 
This is a guy who made his 

2771
02:19:33,260 --> 02:19:36,110
living on stage for most of his 
life. 

2772
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:38,809
And as he's done this transition
like so many like me and Garrett

2773
02:19:38,820 --> 02:19:41,790
and Steve have, all of us have 
sort of had this transition that

2774
02:19:41,799 --> 02:19:44,400
happened in January 6 was one of
those marquee moments where we 

2775
02:19:44,410 --> 02:19:48,650
went from being W2 employees to 
being now self paid, self 

2776
02:19:48,660 --> 02:19:50,050
employed, doing this kind of a 
thing. 

2777
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:51,750
In Baker's case, he's going the 
other way. 

2778
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:54,560
He's actually now on the payroll
of the Blaze, but this used to 

2779
02:19:54,570 --> 02:19:57,210
be his gig routine. 
He used to go do stuff like this

2780
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:58,900
and he's, you know, he's pretty 
talented. 

2781
02:19:58,910 --> 02:20:04,290
Let's play video #2. 
Get excited. 

2782
02:20:06,450 --> 02:20:11,380
China Girl. 
Shut your. 

2783
02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:34,190
Mouth, she said. 
Right Glass butt hole back. 

2784
02:20:37,610 --> 02:20:50,840
Playing. 
The Moonlight Lahey guys, If you

2785
02:20:50,850 --> 02:20:54,020
don't love Bowie, if you're not 
a Bowie fan, then you can't. 

2786
02:20:54,030 --> 02:20:55,700
Appreciate how fun that is, but 
it's. 

2787
02:20:55,710 --> 02:20:58,720
Really amusing to me to see it. 
When he told me he had a Bowie 

2788
02:20:58,950 --> 02:21:01,000
tribute act the other day, I was
like, you gotta be kidding. 

2789
02:21:01,010 --> 02:21:02,440
It's called the American Bowie 
Experience. 

2790
02:21:02,450 --> 02:21:05,420
You guys can go find some of 
those on YouTube and check out 

2791
02:21:05,430 --> 02:21:08,140
the other facet a little bit. 
A little bit more fun, probably 

2792
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:12,220
a more fun time, and definitely 
maybe not the same amount of 

2793
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:14,000
rewarding. 
But the the gravity there of 

2794
02:21:14,010 --> 02:21:16,610
keeping a an audience enjoying 
their night is a little 

2795
02:21:16,620 --> 02:21:18,460
different than what we're doing 
right here, where we're just 

2796
02:21:18,470 --> 02:21:20,280
exposing malfeasance left and 
right. 

2797
02:21:20,350 --> 02:21:22,100
And so I just wanted you guys to
have a little taste of it. 

2798
02:21:22,110 --> 02:21:24,800
Like I said it, every person, 
every one of you out there has 

2799
02:21:24,810 --> 02:21:26,480
more than one little facet of 
your story. 

2800
02:21:26,490 --> 02:21:29,710
And it's worth noting that these
January 6 people, all the folks 

2801
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:31,580
that have been accused of it, 
like they basically had their 

2802
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:33,780
entire lives boiled down to like
a few minutes. 

2803
02:21:34,090 --> 02:21:36,110
You know, that could be measured
literally in minutes. 

2804
02:21:36,780 --> 02:21:40,420
And now they are crypto fascists
or their their crypto fascists 

2805
02:21:40,430 --> 02:21:42,650
or their white nationalists and 
all the other horrible things 

2806
02:21:42,660 --> 02:21:44,420
have been against them. 
You know, they had a whole 

2807
02:21:44,430 --> 02:21:47,430
history behind them and I know 
that Steve's whole life was 

2808
02:21:47,440 --> 02:21:49,410
doing a bunch of wild stuff. 
You've heard a little bit of it.

2809
02:21:49,460 --> 02:21:52,690
It's just worth pointing this 
out that, you know, we're all 

2810
02:21:52,700 --> 02:21:54,750
more than one thing. 
We all live sort of in a shade 

2811
02:21:54,760 --> 02:21:56,320
of grey. 
I don't think anybody is a 

2812
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:59,810
totally black or a white actor, 
even even even of Vladimir Putin

2813
02:21:59,820 --> 02:22:01,650
probably has some people that 
love him and probably does some 

2814
02:22:01,660 --> 02:22:03,910
nice things every once in a 
while or you know, pets a dog 

2815
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:07,390
and and feeds it a treat. 
So just it, it's worth knowing 

2816
02:22:07,400 --> 02:22:09,390
that there's a little bit more 
to all these stories, but we're 

2817
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:11,440
going to talk about perjury. 
We're going to talk about sort 

2818
02:22:11,450 --> 02:22:14,380
of the things that he's unveiled
here that should be the focus, I

2819
02:22:14,390 --> 02:22:16,990
think, of DOJ investigations. 
And it turns out that they're 

2820
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:18,610
not interested in that. 
They're pushing the narrative, 

2821
02:22:18,620 --> 02:22:21,080
the Nancy Pelosi narrative, and 
they're pushing some stuff. 

2822
02:22:21,090 --> 02:22:22,590
Are we going to go into Harry 
Dunn? 

2823
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:24,400
Is that where you want to go 
with this, Mr. Baker? 

2824
02:22:24,510 --> 02:22:27,700
Well, now that I'm 10/8 from my 
coffee break, head eight, 

2825
02:22:27,710 --> 02:22:29,400
everybody. 
By the way, that got like a lot 

2826
02:22:29,410 --> 02:22:30,700
in the chat. 
That people were like, what's 

2827
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:33,230
the 10 seven like what's going 
on there, 10 codes? 

2828
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:36,730
I I missed the clip. 
Which clip did you show? 

2829
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:40,630
We did China Girl. 
And let's dance OHK OK. 

2830
02:22:42,490 --> 02:22:43,610
Which is great, by the way. 
That's a. 

2831
02:22:43,620 --> 02:22:46,300
That's a you you got like. 
A little bit more bass in your. 

2832
02:22:46,310 --> 02:22:50,000
Voice, I think, than Bowie did. 
Yeah, yeah, maybe so a little 

2833
02:22:50,010 --> 02:22:52,120
bit. 
Do you smoke on stage when you 

2834
02:22:52,130 --> 02:22:52,810
do that, by the way? 
Are you? 

2835
02:22:52,820 --> 02:22:54,080
Smoking on some of them or is 
that? 

2836
02:22:54,210 --> 02:22:55,460
Theatrical. 
Smoking. 

2837
02:22:55,470 --> 02:22:59,120
It's just theatrical. 
But you know, I care, but I was,

2838
02:22:59,130 --> 02:23:01,880
I was told by one of my. 
Favourite People in the World 

2839
02:23:01,890 --> 02:23:06,360
Frederick Owens He was a 
Broadway actor was in the 

2840
02:23:06,370 --> 02:23:08,410
original Smokey Joe's. 
He's dead. 

2841
02:23:09,320 --> 02:23:11,110
Oh gosh, oh Jesus Christ 
Superstar. 

2842
02:23:11,180 --> 02:23:13,810
He was in the movie with Will 
Smith. 

2843
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:17,030
Hutch or Hitch or whatever. 
You know the dog. 

2844
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:20,910
And so so he he used to play 
keyboards in my band several 

2845
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:26,120
years ago and big tall gorgeous 
black man and and and he's got 

2846
02:23:26,130 --> 02:23:27,870
that big. 
That's how I describe my tall 

2847
02:23:27,880 --> 02:23:29,150
black friends. 
I called them gorgeous. 

2848
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:30,350
They love that. 
Right. 

2849
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:34,450
So he's got that. 
Rich deep you know low voice and

2850
02:23:34,500 --> 02:23:36,980
and he told. 
Me that when he was doing voice 

2851
02:23:36,990 --> 02:23:40,720
over work up in New York that 
James Earl Jones. 

2852
02:23:40,730 --> 02:23:43,640
He actually was in the studio 
with him one day and and James 

2853
02:23:43,650 --> 02:23:47,620
Earl Jones told him he said no. 
Every time before you go in and 

2854
02:23:47,630 --> 02:23:50,400
do voice work he says you go 
outside, you smoke a Newport 

2855
02:23:50,770 --> 02:23:54,600
first, he gives you that gives 
you that extra edge. 

2856
02:23:55,430 --> 02:23:58,040
I hope they were doing that on 
the set of Conan which I just 

2857
02:23:58,050 --> 02:24:00,250
watched the other day. 
Some clips from you know it's 

2858
02:24:00,260 --> 02:24:02,820
going like. 
Man, that guy has done some wild

2859
02:24:02,830 --> 02:24:06,200
stuff. 
James Earl Jones Russia Anaemia 

2860
02:24:06,210 --> 02:24:10,380
is See them driven before you 
Are we gonna? 

2861
02:24:10,390 --> 02:24:11,630
Do that in this country. 
Is that we? 

2862
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:14,030
Are we swinging back where it's 
just gonna get like a barbarian?

2863
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:14,920
Style. 
You think? 

2864
02:24:14,930 --> 02:24:16,350
I don't. 
Know guys It may. 

2865
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:17,950
I'll have the hair for it at 
least. 

2866
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:19,630
Yeah, you will. 
You will indeed. 

2867
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:21,090
All right, Mr. Baker, we've got 
a. 

2868
02:24:21,100 --> 02:24:22,890
Couple of different articles of 
I got the letter from Harry 

2869
02:24:22,900 --> 02:24:25,700
Dunn, which I. 
Think is sort of an indicator of

2870
02:24:25,710 --> 02:24:27,320
some of the stuff to come. 
Do you want to do you want to 

2871
02:24:27,330 --> 02:24:28,870
talk that or did you have a 
different mindset? 

2872
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:30,550
Because I'm willing to follow 
your lead right now. 

2873
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:32,070
Let's go with the letter. 
Let's start there. 

2874
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:33,950
We'll work backwards from that 
one. 

2875
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:35,770
So Ryan, we got topic #3 was 
the. 

2876
02:24:35,780 --> 02:24:37,160
Actual letter that you tweeted 
out. 

2877
02:24:37,170 --> 02:24:38,280
Maybe you could set it up for 
us. 

2878
02:24:38,290 --> 02:24:40,750
Tell us a little bit about what.
This letter is and and we'll 

2879
02:24:40,760 --> 02:24:42,670
read it and we can talk about 
why it's important. 

2880
02:24:42,680 --> 02:24:44,370
I think it's all kind of 
relevant, yeah. 

2881
02:24:44,380 --> 02:24:47,060
Obviously when you start, when 
you start pulling back the 

2882
02:24:47,070 --> 02:24:49,230
layers on these investigations, 
you find out that. 

2883
02:24:49,240 --> 02:24:51,390
There's more skeletons in 
people's closets than you 

2884
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:55,690
initially anticipated, and one 
of the things that we stumbled 

2885
02:24:55,700 --> 02:25:01,150
upon was a disciplinary action 
related to Harry Dunn for a 

2886
02:25:01,220 --> 02:25:05,130
letter that he sent out 
anonymously on Capitol Police 

2887
02:25:05,140 --> 02:25:09,190
letterhead back in May of 21. 
So this was just only you know 4

2888
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:13,210
1/2 months or so after January 6
and which he was he took a very 

2889
02:25:13,380 --> 02:25:14,950
are this letter. 
It was anonymous. 

2890
02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:16,060
So it's not him. 
Yeah. 

2891
02:25:16,070 --> 02:25:17,190
Yeah. 
And I wanna, I wanna take this 

2892
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:18,950
slowly. 
But what you just said because 

2893
02:25:19,320 --> 02:25:21,350
that's that's old news to you 
and that's the. 

2894
02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:23,670
Thing you eat and breathe. 
But yeah for the audience let's 

2895
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:26,550
let's let's let's break it down 
just a tiny bit. 

2896
02:25:26,780 --> 02:25:30,130
A letter went out on Capitol 
Police letterhead that was not 

2897
02:25:30,140 --> 02:25:32,170
signed by any individual. 
It was signed it. 

2898
02:25:32,180 --> 02:25:34,850
It was signed as proud members 
of the United States Capitol 

2899
02:25:34,860 --> 02:25:37,890
Police which we'll we'll talk 
about the irregularities of that

2900
02:25:37,900 --> 02:25:40,430
in just a second I'm sure. 
But the letter, and if you'll 

2901
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:42,250
let me just kind of read that 
kind of the highlights. 

2902
02:25:42,320 --> 02:25:44,830
We, the members of of the United
States Capitol Police, write 

2903
02:25:44,840 --> 02:25:47,210
this letter to express our 
profound disappointment with the

2904
02:25:47,220 --> 02:25:48,500
recent comments in both 
chambers. 

2905
02:25:48,510 --> 02:25:50,820
They go on to basically say that
the Republicans are not taking 

2906
02:25:50,830 --> 02:25:52,060
care of them. 
The brave men and women of the 

2907
02:25:52,070 --> 02:25:54,240
Capitol Police were subjected to
hours and hours of physical 

2908
02:25:54,250 --> 02:25:56,180
trauma. 
It's led to months and of mental

2909
02:25:56,190 --> 02:25:57,820
anguish. 
That's all pretty emotional. 

2910
02:25:57,970 --> 02:26:00,120
If you look around the Capitol, 
things are still broken, blah, 

2911
02:26:00,130 --> 02:26:01,320
blah, blah. 
They go on. 

2912
02:26:01,360 --> 02:26:03,700
They're forced to work with 
every single day that they, you 

2913
02:26:03,710 --> 02:26:05,920
know, reminders of that dreadful
day and the worst thing ever 

2914
02:26:05,930 --> 02:26:08,240
happened. 
They expect an investigation to 

2915
02:26:08,250 --> 02:26:10,960
get to the bottom of everyone 
and hold them accountable, 100% 

2916
02:26:10,970 --> 02:26:12,800
accountable. 
Which tells me, I don't know. 

2917
02:26:12,810 --> 02:26:14,510
When you see some people's 
writing style, you understand 

2918
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:17,980
their level of education which 
is not very highly required at 

2919
02:26:17,990 --> 02:26:19,440
Capitol Police. 
For whatever that's worth. 

2920
02:26:19,450 --> 02:26:22,210
High school GED is both 
acceptable And then it said 

2921
02:26:22,220 --> 02:26:23,980
last. 
Lastly, with each passing week 

2922
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:27,480
and the new revelation about 
January it's 6th itself, a new 

2923
02:26:27,490 --> 02:26:30,820
indictment comes to light. 
Another newsreel of of USCP 

2924
02:26:30,830 --> 02:26:33,100
police officers being assaulted 
and release goes on on. 

2925
02:26:33,110 --> 02:26:35,780
It's unfortunate that our quote 
unquote bosses, parenthetically 

2926
02:26:35,790 --> 02:26:38,120
Congress, are not held to the 
same standards that we, the US 

2927
02:26:38,130 --> 02:26:39,880
Capitol Police are. 
And then it's signed again, 

2928
02:26:39,890 --> 02:26:41,820
proud members of the United 
States Capitol Police. 

2929
02:26:41,950 --> 02:26:44,960
Let's talk about what it is and 
the irregularities of it. 

2930
02:26:44,970 --> 02:26:45,980
Now you guys have seen the 
letter. 

2931
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:48,540
It's on Steve's Twitter feed. 
Definitely worth reading it 

2932
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:50,430
yourself if you like. 
Yeah. 

2933
02:26:50,440 --> 02:26:53,910
The irregularity begins with the
fact that it was, first of all, 

2934
02:26:54,340 --> 02:26:56,860
anonymous. 
And on Capitol Police 

2935
02:26:57,080 --> 02:27:00,850
letterhead, therefore ostensibly
representing the Capital, 

2936
02:27:00,860 --> 02:27:03,010
please. 
And a highly politically 

2937
02:27:03,060 --> 02:27:07,570
partisan message sent out, which
of course the Capital Police, by

2938
02:27:07,580 --> 02:27:10,010
policy you're supposed to be 
100% nonpartisan. 

2939
02:27:10,020 --> 02:27:13,150
They work for both parties. 
They are the security guards for

2940
02:27:13,160 --> 02:27:16,470
both the Democrats and and 
Republicans. 

2941
02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:19,060
So that that's the way that 
they're supposed to act. 

2942
02:27:19,070 --> 02:27:22,620
Not only that, they are also 
federal officers, which means 

2943
02:27:22,690 --> 02:27:25,380
what else? 
There is a Hatch Act involved 

2944
02:27:25,390 --> 02:27:27,800
here. 
So I read the Hatch Act again 

2945
02:27:27,840 --> 02:27:29,980
because I had people reach out 
to me, including Bill Shipley 

2946
02:27:30,130 --> 02:27:33,380
and the Hatch Act. 
Doesn't actually apply to anyone

2947
02:27:33,390 --> 02:27:35,620
outside the executive. 
You know what? 

2948
02:27:35,630 --> 02:27:38,600
That's that's exactly. 
But apparently this is what I 

2949
02:27:38,610 --> 02:27:42,160
learned because I was just. 
On the actually the day that I 

2950
02:27:42,170 --> 02:27:45,960
was received, my most subsequent
or recent threat from the 

2951
02:27:45,970 --> 02:27:49,850
federal government is that after
that that was sitting at table 

2952
02:27:49,900 --> 02:27:53,850
in one of the Congressional 
office buildings with several 

2953
02:27:53,860 --> 02:28:01,110
staff members including Huh, 
high ranking capital police 

2954
02:28:01,160 --> 02:28:03,250
officials. 
I'll just say that fair enough. 

2955
02:28:03,260 --> 02:28:10,080
Calling my name current not 
retired and also table full of 

2956
02:28:10,090 --> 02:28:13,230
lawyers and these are all 
federal lawyers. 

2957
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:16,140
They all said absolutely because
I said the same thing. 

2958
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:19,250
I said hatch Act does not apply 
to capital police and including 

2959
02:28:19,300 --> 02:28:22,230
every one of them said no as a 
matter of fact because of 

2960
02:28:22,280 --> 02:28:26,110
subsequent rulings. 
You know how they bureaucratic 

2961
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:28,990
administrative addendums, things
like that. 

2962
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:32,750
So we don't see it in the act 
itself, but it has then since 

2963
02:28:32,760 --> 02:28:36,350
then been more broadly applied 
outside of everybody other than 

2964
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:38,820
just the executive branch. 
Well, I'd be shocked if it 

2965
02:28:38,830 --> 02:28:41,970
didn't apply to, you know, 
employees in the same way, but I

2966
02:28:41,980 --> 02:28:43,040
would. 
I would guess that's by. 

2967
02:28:43,050 --> 02:28:45,500
Policy and not by the Hatch Act 
specifically. 

2968
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:47,720
Like Hatch Act style policies 
must apply. 

2969
02:28:47,730 --> 02:28:49,500
They would have to because 
otherwise you couldn't work 

2970
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:51,130
there. 
Then yes, within within the 

2971
02:28:51,140 --> 02:28:54,280
handbook, within the rulebook. 
It does apply to capital police 

2972
02:28:54,290 --> 02:28:54,850
officers. 
Yeah, that. 

2973
02:28:54,860 --> 02:28:55,970
Cheques out. 
OK, fair enough. 

2974
02:28:56,250 --> 02:28:57,940
All right. 
So we've got that kind of like 

2975
02:28:57,950 --> 02:28:59,760
you said, I think there's a 
little bit of nuance on there. 

2976
02:28:59,770 --> 02:29:02,180
It's not obviously in the 
original act, but the idea that 

2977
02:29:02,190 --> 02:29:07,920
you would not have a nonpartisan
clause to your public speech is 

2978
02:29:07,930 --> 02:29:10,320
sort of outside the range of 
anybody's beliefs. 

2979
02:29:10,390 --> 02:29:13,550
So this was the interesting 
development of this letter, 

2980
02:29:13,560 --> 02:29:17,190
though this was the result. 
Of the fact that there was some,

2981
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:21,540
a handful of GOP lawmakers who 
did not want to see the 

2982
02:29:21,550 --> 02:29:24,450
formation of this House Select 
Committee by Pelosi. 

2983
02:29:24,660 --> 02:29:28,450
And as a result of that, there 
was some political, you know, 

2984
02:29:28,540 --> 02:29:30,110
wranglings that were taking 
place. 

2985
02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:33,790
And so Representative Jamie 
Raskin of Maryland, who we all 

2986
02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:36,240
know, who became a prominent 
member of that committee, yes, 

2987
02:29:36,250 --> 02:29:38,180
he's a member of the Crips. 
I think yes. 

2988
02:29:38,190 --> 02:29:42,330
Yes, that's that's that's the 
one who also happens to be. 

2989
02:29:42,890 --> 02:29:45,400
Officer Harry Dunn's. 
Congressman Harry lives in his 

2990
02:29:45,410 --> 02:29:49,760
district there in in Maryland 
and so he encourages. 

2991
02:29:49,770 --> 02:29:54,860
We learned subsequently to this 
actually had been the one behind

2992
02:29:54,930 --> 02:29:58,530
the crafting of this letter. 
So he encouraged Harry to to 

2993
02:29:58,540 --> 02:30:02,120
draught this letter and Harry 
being not quite the Road Scholar

2994
02:30:02,130 --> 02:30:08,120
or the literary, you know, guy, 
that that he might be portrayed 

2995
02:30:08,130 --> 02:30:10,320
as having now just published a 
book. 

2996
02:30:10,370 --> 02:30:12,700
He would. 
It would it be fair that he was 

2997
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:15,260
like some of my buddies that got
academic scholarships to play 

2998
02:30:15,270 --> 02:30:17,550
football? 
For for college. 

2999
02:30:19,700 --> 02:30:21,430
I know there's a nuance in that.
Did we just lose Steve? 

3000
02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:23,010
Did you just freeze up? 
Might have just lost him. 

3001
02:30:23,060 --> 02:30:26,050
He'll come back in. 
Harry Dunn, if you guys are not 

3002
02:30:26,060 --> 02:30:27,410
familiar with it, he's a capital
is a. 

3003
02:30:27,480 --> 02:30:29,640
At least a. 
Former capital police officer 

3004
02:30:29,650 --> 02:30:34,430
now just resigned just a couple 
of days ago but is I don't know 

3005
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:38,330
6-5 or something like that and 
over 300 lbs and kind of an 

3006
02:30:38,340 --> 02:30:44,130
interesting character as far as 
he's not exactly what you would 

3007
02:30:44,340 --> 02:30:46,030
you would look at and think like
this is a. 

3008
02:30:46,040 --> 02:30:47,070
Scholar. 
Now I've been surprised. 

3009
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:48,960
By big guys before there's 
plenty of big people in the 

3010
02:30:48,970 --> 02:30:51,000
world that could write. 
That's not to say they wouldn't.

3011
02:30:51,050 --> 02:30:54,480
Guerrero Boyle is a fantastic 
writer, in fact has a sub stack 

3012
02:30:54,490 --> 02:30:58,000
right here and is very 
thoughtful and is, you know, 

3013
02:30:58,010 --> 02:31:02,580
approaching a Harry Dunn size. 
But Gerardo Boyle also cares 

3014
02:31:02,590 --> 02:31:04,530
about what comes out of his 
mouth and what his thoughts are 

3015
02:31:04,540 --> 02:31:05,760
and would never be a political 
actor. 

3016
02:31:05,770 --> 02:31:08,020
So maybe it's a piece of 
character and it's a piece of 

3017
02:31:08,030 --> 02:31:11,460
capabilities married together. 
They found it very, what do they

3018
02:31:11,470 --> 02:31:15,910
call it in in Zoolander, an 
empty vessel where they were 

3019
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:17,480
able to fill him with. 
Go ahead, Steve. 

3020
02:31:17,490 --> 02:31:20,620
I know you've just been given 
this like this. 

3021
02:31:21,430 --> 02:31:25,540
I don't even know special. 
Privilege as a cap of police 

3022
02:31:25,550 --> 02:31:26,680
officer. 
Where like he can. 

3023
02:31:26,690 --> 02:31:30,080
Talk to the media and they've 
given him like multiple medals 

3024
02:31:30,090 --> 02:31:32,660
of valour. 
He's gotten to basically the 

3025
02:31:32,670 --> 02:31:39,300
media glamour as he's gone out 
and it's it's a PR tour for for 

3026
02:31:39,310 --> 02:31:42,520
the book and it's a book he 
obviously didn't write. 

3027
02:31:43,310 --> 02:31:47,240
And I I want to know what what 
this resignation. 

3028
02:31:47,250 --> 02:31:49,300
He obviously resigned before 
retirement age. 

3029
02:31:49,310 --> 02:31:50,660
Right. 
So he didn't officially retire. 

3030
02:31:50,670 --> 02:31:52,340
What what what's the deal he 
got? 

3031
02:31:52,390 --> 02:31:54,980
I mean he's he's not gonna be a 
paid he's not gonna get the FBI 

3032
02:31:54,990 --> 02:31:56,920
Barbie treatment, right. 
They're not going to have him on

3033
02:31:56,930 --> 02:31:58,240
CNN as a contributor. 
Right. 

3034
02:31:59,060 --> 02:32:03,950
Well, I was gonna get like the 
the university police chief job,

3035
02:32:03,960 --> 02:32:04,850
but. 
They're, they're. 

3036
02:32:04,860 --> 02:32:07,530
Finding a spot for him to land, 
to try to move him off the acts 

3037
02:32:07,720 --> 02:32:10,350
and we can forget about him. 
And because I don't think that 

3038
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:13,430
he's going to be paying for his 
his retirement with the the 

3039
02:32:13,440 --> 02:32:15,430
proceeds of a book, The book 
sales are not that good. 

3040
02:32:16,670 --> 02:32:21,860
I saw you disappeared. 
He's not back all the way. 

3041
02:32:21,870 --> 02:32:23,230
In yet, Kyle. 
One second. 

3042
02:32:23,420 --> 02:32:25,000
Yeah, OK. 
We're still bringing you back. 

3043
02:32:25,010 --> 02:32:26,310
I don't know if the audio is 
there yet, just. 

3044
02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:27,760
Give it one second. 
Ryan's gonna bring you in. 

3045
02:32:27,770 --> 02:32:29,000
Go ahead and keep going Steve 
with your though. 

3046
02:32:30,220 --> 02:32:33,780
I just want to know what the 
deal he cut to get that 

3047
02:32:33,790 --> 02:32:35,690
resignation. 
I think that there's obviously. 

3048
02:32:35,700 --> 02:32:38,560
Something's afoot where they 
they realise that what Steve 

3049
02:32:38,570 --> 02:32:43,330
Bakers brought out is going to 
go very badly for him, be it in 

3050
02:32:43,340 --> 02:32:47,710
court room testimony or just be 
it in bad PR thrown at him. 

3051
02:32:47,900 --> 02:32:49,370
They need to move him off the 
axe. 

3052
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:53,280
So I think it'll be interesting 
to see what sort of plum deal he

3053
02:32:53,290 --> 02:32:54,800
gets for himself. 
Is it going to be private 

3054
02:32:54,810 --> 02:32:56,270
security? 
Is it going to be, like I said, 

3055
02:32:56,280 --> 02:32:59,890
like campus police where there's
obviously his skill sets going 

3056
02:32:59,900 --> 02:33:03,240
to transfer over because he can 
just direct people to go to the 

3057
02:33:03,250 --> 02:33:06,190
bathroom as he's patrolling 
around us as some sort of like, 

3058
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:07,520
deputy chief or something? 
Yeah. 

3059
02:33:07,530 --> 02:33:09,340
Do you think he wants to move 
out to California and work for 

3060
02:33:09,350 --> 02:33:12,800
Yogananda? 
I mean, it's obviously gonna be.

3061
02:33:12,810 --> 02:33:15,440
Similar, similar living 
standard, that is. 

3062
02:33:15,450 --> 02:33:16,880
In the DC, right, the cost of. 
Living. 

3063
02:33:16,890 --> 02:33:19,480
He'd probably make that happen, 
but I just know that the book 

3064
02:33:19,490 --> 02:33:21,520
proceeds. 
The book market in general is 

3065
02:33:21,530 --> 02:33:24,280
not doing well enough that he's 
going to be able to do the, you 

3066
02:33:24,290 --> 02:33:26,940
know, I pulled down $1,000,000 
of royalties from my book. 

3067
02:33:27,640 --> 02:33:29,660
Well, I think the old story too 
that we used to see is that 

3068
02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:31,580
people would just go and 
somebody would buy 500,000 

3069
02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:33,410
copies of your books and put. 
It in their warehouse and they 

3070
02:33:33,420 --> 02:33:35,440
just hand it out to all their 
employees or like it just sits 

3071
02:33:35,450 --> 02:33:37,690
on a stack in their in their, 
you know, office warehouse. 

3072
02:33:37,700 --> 02:33:39,870
They don't care about it. 
So there's always a way to to 

3073
02:33:39,880 --> 02:33:41,310
make money happen through book 
deals. 

3074
02:33:41,740 --> 02:33:44,190
Mr. Baker, welcome back. 
Thanks for what happened to your

3075
02:33:44,200 --> 02:33:45,530
denial. 
How are you tonight? 

3076
02:33:45,580 --> 02:33:50,370
I have never seen a session 
terminated as immediately and. 

3077
02:33:50,380 --> 02:33:54,090
Aggressively as that one was, it
was very strange saying true 

3078
02:33:54,100 --> 02:33:55,100
things. 
Man, what are you doing? 

3079
02:33:55,110 --> 02:33:57,750
Well, in fact in fact it 
actually when I tried to log 

3080
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:00,570
back in, get denied. 
Even me using. 

3081
02:34:00,580 --> 02:34:04,060
That browser. 
I had to switch browsers in 

3082
02:34:04,070 --> 02:34:07,160
order to log back in, but anyway
that that had never happened. 

3083
02:34:07,170 --> 02:34:09,780
But the point being, I think 
what I think what I was saying 

3084
02:34:09,790 --> 02:34:14,800
is that is that under the 
encouragement of Jamie Raskin 

3085
02:34:14,810 --> 02:34:19,570
and because done not being the 
literary star that he might 

3086
02:34:19,580 --> 02:34:22,740
otherwise be, if you thought, 
you know, being a a published 

3087
02:34:22,750 --> 02:34:27,370
author, now he actually went to 
the Capital press room and 

3088
02:34:27,380 --> 02:34:32,630
recruited in his own words, 
several female representatives 

3089
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:36,010
of the press pool there at the 
capital to help him put this 

3090
02:34:36,020 --> 02:34:39,150
letter together. 
So this was that look like you 

3091
02:34:39,160 --> 02:34:41,640
go in there and you go, hey 
ladies, who knows how to write 

3092
02:34:41,650 --> 02:34:43,870
in English? 
Yes, exactly something I need. 

3093
02:34:43,880 --> 02:34:46,490
Help with Word. 
I'm looking for somebody who 

3094
02:34:46,500 --> 02:34:48,780
knows what a period is. 
How many words? 

3095
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:50,740
Per minute you type. 
I heard ladies. 

3096
02:34:50,750 --> 02:34:52,420
Know about that? 
Are they used in writing? 

3097
02:34:52,430 --> 02:34:55,060
Let's do this. 
Alright, sorry we have to be 

3098
02:34:55,070 --> 02:34:57,780
like. 
So, so he he he successfully 

3099
02:34:57,790 --> 02:35:01,340
recruited any number of. 
Female press. 

3100
02:35:02,130 --> 02:35:04,140
Did he just pick them up by 
their collar and walked off? 

3101
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:07,450
He's a big, big dude guy 6, 
seven, 350. 

3102
02:35:07,460 --> 02:35:09,520
Pounds 6-7. 
I I sold him short at six. 

3103
02:35:09,530 --> 02:35:10,430
Five. 
Yeah, that's a big. 

3104
02:35:10,440 --> 02:35:13,000
Dude. 
And so that. 

3105
02:35:13,010 --> 02:35:17,700
Was on May 19th that evening he?
After getting this successfully 

3106
02:35:17,710 --> 02:35:21,450
composed, scrambled around, he 
used for hard copies, He used 

3107
02:35:21,460 --> 02:35:24,970
capital police printing machines
or, you know, copy machines, 

3108
02:35:24,980 --> 02:35:28,430
which of course are all logged, 
you know. 

3109
02:35:28,620 --> 02:35:32,000
And then he also used his 
capital police email. 

3110
02:35:32,010 --> 02:35:35,010
He's not a smart guy. 
He uses capital police email to 

3111
02:35:35,020 --> 02:35:37,410
send out electronic copies of 
this. 

3112
02:35:37,480 --> 02:35:42,850
He then hand delivered copies to
Jamie Raskin's Chief of staff. 

3113
02:35:42,860 --> 02:35:46,310
And then she delivered that to 
all the other chiefs of staff in

3114
02:35:46,320 --> 02:35:49,780
Congress. 
And then the the mainstream 

3115
02:35:49,790 --> 02:35:55,500
press pool ladies, they 
dutifully not only protected his

3116
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:59,140
identity, his anonymity, but 
then they wrote the stories that

3117
02:35:59,150 --> 02:36:01,040
came out the next morning on May
20th. 

3118
02:36:01,050 --> 02:36:03,920
Well, because he used like this,
Did they do this when they did 

3119
02:36:03,930 --> 02:36:06,110
it? 
Do you know what the best, the 

3120
02:36:06,120 --> 02:36:09,110
best move is, Steve? 
You you've got some familiarity 

3121
02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:10,300
with this? 
I know the boys will see this 

3122
02:36:10,310 --> 02:36:11,430
as. 
Well, but like sometimes when 

3123
02:36:11,440 --> 02:36:14,940
you have a a source, and when 
when you write about the source,

3124
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:17,420
even though they are not 
specifically like a confidential

3125
02:36:17,430 --> 02:36:19,200
source, you'll put after them in
parentheses. 

3126
02:36:19,210 --> 02:36:21,870
Protect identity. 
So you would be like when I got 

3127
02:36:21,880 --> 02:36:24,390
this message from Garrett 
O'boyle, protect identity. 

3128
02:36:24,400 --> 02:36:25,390
You know, this and this and 
that. 

3129
02:36:25,400 --> 02:36:27,340
And so theoretically when you're
supposed to write it up, they're

3130
02:36:27,350 --> 02:36:31,050
supposed to say, well, I got 
this message and, you know, 

3131
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:33,100
blah, blah, blah, like from a 
source. 

3132
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:35,090
And there's there's someone 
who's who's quoting it is 

3133
02:36:35,100 --> 02:36:36,450
actually supposed to use the 
word source. 

3134
02:36:36,500 --> 02:36:38,660
And even though you told the 
name because you're supposed to 

3135
02:36:38,670 --> 02:36:41,230
disclose it but then you'll get 
these like releases that'll be 

3136
02:36:41,240 --> 02:36:44,530
like you could just imagine this
if Harry Dunn's name was if they

3137
02:36:44,540 --> 02:36:47,970
wrote, hey, you know we got this
letter from from Anonymous 

3138
02:36:47,980 --> 02:36:49,890
capital. 
You know Capital police officer 

3139
02:36:49,900 --> 02:36:51,740
Harry Dunn. 
Protect identity. 

3140
02:36:52,490 --> 02:36:53,880
That's what I wish I would have 
seen. 

3141
02:36:53,930 --> 02:36:56,300
That's that's almost the level 
of writing that you would see 

3142
02:36:56,310 --> 02:36:56,740
here. 
You could. 

3143
02:36:56,750 --> 02:36:59,160
Actually see them making. 
Those, those like dragging, 

3144
02:36:59,250 --> 02:37:02,330
those knuckle dragging scars 
across the pavement as he 

3145
02:37:02,340 --> 02:37:04,920
continued to write this. 
It's very heavy handed. 

3146
02:37:05,430 --> 02:37:10,220
It's very silly looking. 
The only, the only of the press 

3147
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:12,780
people that he. 
Named in his disciplinary 

3148
02:37:12,850 --> 02:37:15,820
investigation was Whitney Wild 
of CNN. 

3149
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:18,450
She's there. 
She's their actual law 

3150
02:37:18,460 --> 02:37:23,630
enforcement beat rider and and 
so he didn't name any of the 

3151
02:37:23,640 --> 02:37:26,550
others in fact he refused to 
name them and his disciplinary 

3152
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:28,770
action our our investigation 
rather. 

3153
02:37:28,780 --> 02:37:31,310
And so he named of course Jamie 
Raskin. 

3154
02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:33,030
He named Jamie Raskin's chief of
staff. 

3155
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:37,620
He named Whitney Wilde CNN. 
And then on the 21st or just two

3156
02:37:37,630 --> 02:37:40,670
days after he crafted this 
letter, the capital police. 

3157
02:37:40,900 --> 02:37:43,290
It didn't, it didn't take a 
Sherlock Holmes to figure out 

3158
02:37:43,300 --> 02:37:45,270
who did this. 
And they drug him and began the 

3159
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:49,930
OPR, the investigation on him. 
And it was during this process 

3160
02:37:49,940 --> 02:37:56,040
that they decided to bury the 
entire thing, despite the 

3161
02:37:56,090 --> 02:37:59,090
massive, I mean multiple 
infractions. 

3162
02:37:59,100 --> 02:38:02,640
He committed here using capital 
police resources, capital police

3163
02:38:02,650 --> 02:38:06,070
time. 
Capital police put this on duty.

3164
02:38:06,270 --> 02:38:09,310
Yes, exactly. 
So in uniform. 

3165
02:38:09,320 --> 02:38:11,650
I mean, he walks in uniform. 
Into the press pool. 

3166
02:38:11,660 --> 02:38:13,910
Says I need help writing this. 
I mean, it's like holding a gun,

3167
02:38:13,920 --> 02:38:17,590
you know, effectively that's 
walking in and saying, you know,

3168
02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:20,370
I've got a gun on you. 
I need you to craft this letter 

3169
02:38:20,380 --> 02:38:22,810
for me because you're in uniform
at the time. 

3170
02:38:22,900 --> 02:38:27,310
And he was able to stay, you 
know, paid on duty while he was 

3171
02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:31,630
being investigated. 
Whereas other people were, you 

3172
02:38:31,640 --> 02:38:34,810
know, suspended without pay and 
indefinitely suspended. 

3173
02:38:35,220 --> 02:38:38,640
Worse than that, he was. 
Finally it was covered up. 

3174
02:38:38,690 --> 02:38:40,840
Obviously somebody. 
Important. 

3175
02:38:40,850 --> 02:38:43,660
Probably Raskin, I I'm, I'm only
speculating there, probably 

3176
02:38:43,670 --> 02:38:46,500
intervened on his behalf. 
The interesting of the other 

3177
02:38:46,510 --> 02:38:50,660
interesting thing about that was
that in May of 21, the acting 

3178
02:38:50,670 --> 02:38:53,860
chief of police at the time was 
none other than Yogananda 

3179
02:38:53,870 --> 02:38:57,920
Pittman, who had been the 
assistant chief of police on 

3180
02:38:57,930 --> 02:39:00,830
January 6th and in charge of 
that massive intelligence 

3181
02:39:00,840 --> 02:39:02,360
failure that we keep talking 
about. 

3182
02:39:02,410 --> 02:39:05,780
Whether purposeful or accidental
or just pure incompetence, she 

3183
02:39:05,790 --> 02:39:07,860
nevertheless sat on that throne 
this time. 

3184
02:39:07,930 --> 02:39:10,500
She was also the one in the 
command centre that day, as I 

3185
02:39:10,510 --> 02:39:12,600
talked about that was doing the 
rope dope and watching 

3186
02:39:12,610 --> 02:39:15,660
everything from 1700 cameras as 
it developed and allowing it to 

3187
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:19,760
take place. 
So this is the person who then 

3188
02:39:19,770 --> 02:39:24,120
ultimately passed down the 
ruling on this and he was not. 

3189
02:39:24,410 --> 02:39:28,010
Well this is this is. 
I guess I am revealing something

3190
02:39:28,020 --> 02:39:28,530
here. 
I'm not. 

3191
02:39:28,570 --> 02:39:31,360
You know what the hell let's 
let's more breaking more 

3192
02:39:31,370 --> 02:39:33,860
breaking news for you. 
I like what the Hell's and just 

3193
02:39:33,870 --> 02:39:36,940
just send it. 
Yes, this is what I'm here for. 

3194
02:39:38,340 --> 02:39:40,150
His. 
His disciplinary. 

3195
02:39:40,160 --> 02:39:45,120
Review panel actually voted. 
To convict or as they say in 

3196
02:39:45,130 --> 02:39:52,210
their terminology, to sustain 
his actions are the ruling they 

3197
02:39:52,220 --> 02:39:54,680
voted to sustain. 
And then that went up to the 

3198
02:39:54,690 --> 02:39:59,780
Capital Police Board, which of 
course included the not only. 

3199
02:40:01,510 --> 02:40:05,600
Well, the the powers that be 
that intervened were of course 

3200
02:40:05,610 --> 02:40:08,540
the chief counsel, which is his 
name is Tad Debias. 

3201
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:12,290
Then there was of course, 
obviously Yogananda Pittman, who

3202
02:40:12,300 --> 02:40:13,900
was the acting chief at the 
time. 

3203
02:40:13,970 --> 02:40:16,510
Obviously there was Jamie 
Raskin, surely and most 

3204
02:40:16,520 --> 02:40:19,860
certainly intervened at the time
and it was overruled. 

3205
02:40:19,870 --> 02:40:24,500
So they voted not to sustain and
it was the sustained ruling by 

3206
02:40:24,510 --> 02:40:27,530
the disciplinary review panel 
was overruled. 

3207
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:32,110
And then he was subsequently 
only given what they call a 534 

3208
02:40:32,610 --> 02:40:36,770
warning. 
Alright, that's basically this. 

3209
02:40:37,890 --> 02:40:41,100
Don't do that again, Harry. 
That was it. 

3210
02:40:41,630 --> 02:40:43,780
That was your medal of valour? 
He was, yeah. 

3211
02:40:43,790 --> 02:40:46,570
He was treated so improperly. 
And obviously we can we can read

3212
02:40:46,580 --> 02:40:47,440
between. 
The lines because. 

3213
02:40:47,450 --> 02:40:50,100
He was such a critical. 
Part of the narrative and 

3214
02:40:50,110 --> 02:40:53,200
constructing and maintaining and
defending the narrative. 

3215
02:40:54,750 --> 02:40:57,120
I want you to just tell my you 
guys cause I'm I'm telling I'm 

3216
02:40:57,130 --> 02:40:58,130
talking to run in the 
background. 

3217
02:40:58,140 --> 02:40:59,490
He's got a hard stop in a few 
minutes here. 

3218
02:40:59,500 --> 02:41:02,440
So we're we're coming up on the 
the deadline of where we've got 

3219
02:41:02,450 --> 02:41:03,350
a role. 
We've been doing this for a 

3220
02:41:03,360 --> 02:41:04,530
while and I appreciate all of 
it. 

3221
02:41:04,540 --> 02:41:07,750
I think. 
I think even just this let me 

3222
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:09,590
let me tease this out. 
Steve you agreed that you would 

3223
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,230
go I'm going to be guest hosting
the Dinesh Dsouza podcast at the

3224
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:15,230
end of the year in the next week
and you said you'll come on with

3225
02:41:15,240 --> 02:41:16,530
me. 
I think we'll talk about the 

3226
02:41:16,540 --> 02:41:18,670
emotional aspect of being under 
threat of government. 

3227
02:41:18,680 --> 02:41:20,750
I think that actually falls into
the sort of the purview of the 

3228
02:41:20,760 --> 02:41:22,680
police say a little bit. 
So folks, if you want to see 

3229
02:41:22,690 --> 02:41:24,900
more Steve Baker, I want to want
to tease that out there, there 

3230
02:41:24,910 --> 02:41:28,140
and I don't want to come up on 
the hard stop with us doing it 

3231
02:41:28,150 --> 02:41:29,760
unceremoniously. 
So at least giving you guys a 

3232
02:41:29,770 --> 02:41:32,140
kind of a, we're hitting the 
brakes just a little bit as we 

3233
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:35,320
come into this. 
But this letter is, is almost 

3234
02:41:35,330 --> 02:41:37,020
tip of the iceberg. 
That's what you're doing over at

3235
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:39,970
Blaze right now. 
Unless I misunderstood like 

3236
02:41:39,980 --> 02:41:42,050
you've been dealing with this 
full time and they're going to 

3237
02:41:42,060 --> 02:41:43,500
actually make you broaden up a 
little. 

3238
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:45,370
Because I know you can write 
about more than just this, but 

3239
02:41:45,380 --> 02:41:46,990
there's so much here. 
You could actually spend your 

3240
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:49,980
whole life doing this, I think. 
Yeah, I mean, one, it was 

3241
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:52,780
interesting when I got the call 
2 days ago from my editor in 

3242
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:55,860
chief, Matt Fitter. 
Peterson and he was made me this

3243
02:41:55,870 --> 02:42:00,240
offer which just completely look
talking about the emotional 

3244
02:42:00,250 --> 02:42:04,580
aspect of this right here. 
As you can imagine at any other 

3245
02:42:04,590 --> 02:42:08,600
company you could almost forgive
them if they if I got the call 

3246
02:42:08,610 --> 02:42:11,200
from Peterson and he said hey 
man, just want to let you know 

3247
02:42:11,210 --> 02:42:14,860
that we love you over here. 
You've done great work and but 

3248
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:18,700
you know with this legal thing 
going on too hot you know you go

3249
02:42:19,330 --> 02:42:21,180
soon. 
Look we wish you the best. 

3250
02:42:21,190 --> 02:42:23,650
We're praying for you As soon as
this resolve come back and 

3251
02:42:23,660 --> 02:42:24,940
you've got a home here at the 
Blade. 

3252
02:42:25,030 --> 02:42:26,960
They could have easily gone that
way. 

3253
02:42:27,190 --> 02:42:31,020
Instead they have gone. 
I mean they had me the next day 

3254
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:33,900
on Glenn Beck's programme. 
They had me on two other of 

3255
02:42:33,910 --> 02:42:35,420
their host programmes right 
away. 

3256
02:42:35,430 --> 02:42:39,400
I mean within two days they had 
me, They were writing articles. 

3257
02:42:39,410 --> 02:42:41,920
They had their other writers 
writing articles about me. 

3258
02:42:42,010 --> 02:42:45,060
Peterson himself wrote an 
article entitled Free Steve 

3259
02:42:45,070 --> 02:42:46,860
Baker. 
I'm not even locked up yet and 

3260
02:42:46,870 --> 02:42:51,810
it's Free Steve Baker and and 
then completely unexpected 

3261
02:42:51,820 --> 02:42:54,540
because I'm, I'm a contributor 
and I am compensated, you know, 

3262
02:42:54,590 --> 02:42:57,300
word count the other kickers, 
things like that. 

3263
02:42:57,370 --> 02:43:01,680
But the point being is that is 
that to have him call me on 

3264
02:43:01,690 --> 02:43:06,940
Tuesday and say, hey, just want 
to let you know that we want to 

3265
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:10,590
make you a full time offer, 
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera and

3266
02:43:10,600 --> 02:43:13,160
we're going to bring you on full
time as an investigative journal

3267
02:43:13,170 --> 02:43:16,540
rather than going the other way.
It was very emotional moment for

3268
02:43:16,550 --> 02:43:20,440
me on the positive side because 
I had every reason to expect an 

3269
02:43:20,500 --> 02:43:24,680
opposite reaction from Blaze 
Media that just shows me what 

3270
02:43:24,690 --> 02:43:26,940
kind of people they are and that
they are behind me in this 

3271
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:32,140
process. 
So that that being said, what I 

3272
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:35,040
have been doing for them and 
what I have been doing in the 

3273
02:43:35,050 --> 02:43:37,570
two years prior to my 
association with the Blaze, I've

3274
02:43:37,580 --> 02:43:40,570
been this is, look guys, this is
all out of my pocket. 

3275
02:43:40,580 --> 02:43:44,710
You know that $1500 I make for 
licencing my videos, that's, you

3276
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:48,190
know, that's nothing compared to
what I've spent out of my own 

3277
02:43:48,200 --> 02:43:51,770
pocket the last three years 
investigating, travelling, 

3278
02:43:51,820 --> 02:43:55,350
researching, interviewing, 
driving up to DC over and over 

3279
02:43:55,360 --> 02:43:59,130
and over again. 
Hotels Ubers the the expense of 

3280
02:43:59,140 --> 02:44:02,590
just being there is outrageous 
as you know and all of that was 

3281
02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:05,810
coming out of my pocket up until
my association with the Blaze 

3282
02:44:05,880 --> 02:44:09,790
and and yet I felt that it was 
important enough for the for the

3283
02:44:09,800 --> 02:44:13,130
America to know what was really 
going on behind the scenes as it

3284
02:44:13,140 --> 02:44:16,430
related to January 6th and the 
cover ups that were taking place

3285
02:44:16,520 --> 02:44:21,370
that I was willing to do that 
and and it was some really good 

3286
02:44:21,380 --> 02:44:25,330
friends up in DC that I've I've 
been coming so associated with 

3287
02:44:25,500 --> 02:44:30,130
since that event who recognised 
the value of what I was doing. 

3288
02:44:30,180 --> 02:44:34,570
I was sharing them my behind the
scenes results of the work, the 

3289
02:44:34,580 --> 02:44:39,150
sourcing, all of that that 
ultimately made them reach out 

3290
02:44:39,160 --> 02:44:41,090
to the Blaze and said hey, you 
need to talk to this guy. 

3291
02:44:41,100 --> 02:44:43,990
He's on, he's on to something. 
So that's how that's how all of 

3292
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:47,900
that kind of came, came together
in a brief overview, but let's 

3293
02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:51,000
let's just say this about the 
Blaze then, because every 

3294
02:44:51,060 --> 02:44:52,460
company has the potential to 
avoid. 

3295
02:44:52,470 --> 02:44:56,490
Scrutiny and to avoid conflict 
and to avoid litigation, which 

3296
02:44:56,500 --> 02:44:59,740
is always a possibility as well.
And that's more common than not 

3297
02:44:59,750 --> 02:45:01,670
in this day. 
I think many of us know the 

3298
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:04,560
instinct to just hope it blows 
over and to to turn the it's 

3299
02:45:04,570 --> 02:45:08,060
like well, you know it's a good 
story but it's also a liability 

3300
02:45:08,070 --> 02:45:11,760
for us. 
And I would suggest my listening

3301
02:45:11,770 --> 02:45:14,160
audience if you're sitting here 
hearing this and you go, OK, 

3302
02:45:14,250 --> 02:45:16,290
when people choose to do the 
right thing for the right 

3303
02:45:16,300 --> 02:45:18,180
reason, which is what we're 
talking about here, that's 

3304
02:45:18,290 --> 02:45:19,580
that's what we call the 
suspendable. 

3305
02:45:19,590 --> 02:45:21,420
That's what we're all about. 
We got to get you in. 

3306
02:45:21,490 --> 02:45:23,260
I got your address. 
I'll send it to you. 

3307
02:45:23,330 --> 02:45:25,620
You're going to get one of the 
limited edition black ones which

3308
02:45:25,630 --> 02:45:27,920
is the people who have really 
earned it who's gone out there 

3309
02:45:27,930 --> 02:45:30,800
and shown something in public. 
And and the Blaze is doing it 

3310
02:45:30,810 --> 02:45:32,060
too. 
While someone to Glenn Beck you 

3311
02:45:32,070 --> 02:45:35,400
know like good for him for 
stepping in the gap and saying 

3312
02:45:35,410 --> 02:45:37,500
we could have turned our back 
but we've decided to do is use 

3313
02:45:37,510 --> 02:45:39,980
our power for good. 
We have our microphone and we're

3314
02:45:39,990 --> 02:45:42,980
turning it all the way towards 
you instead of turning it away 

3315
02:45:43,100 --> 02:45:45,350
and and turning our back and 
hoping it works out for you. 

3316
02:45:45,420 --> 02:45:49,040
So you know, I think that's it 
shows us that this fight is not 

3317
02:45:49,050 --> 02:45:49,940
lost. 
I don't want people to be 

3318
02:45:49,950 --> 02:45:51,810
blackballed and that's one of 
the that's one of the great 

3319
02:45:51,820 --> 02:45:55,430
instances of of of a of a white 
pill moment or a red pill moment

3320
02:45:55,440 --> 02:45:57,710
if you will, where people are 
looking like, hey it's not over 

3321
02:45:57,720 --> 02:46:01,260
here we're we're at halftime at 
best, right. 

3322
02:46:01,270 --> 02:46:02,500
Right. 
No, it's not over. 

3323
02:46:02,510 --> 02:46:06,940
And and and and here's the The 
thing is that I I pray. 

3324
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:11,080
Every morning let this cup pass 
from me and I'm talking about 

3325
02:46:11,090 --> 02:46:18,490
specifically the this this legal
challenge that I have this 

3326
02:46:18,500 --> 02:46:21,570
gauntlet that I'm gonna probably
have to go through unless we get

3327
02:46:21,580 --> 02:46:24,550
some sort of last minute 
reprieve and they just look at 

3328
02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:27,770
this and go and the the the new 
AUSA who has been assigned to my

3329
02:46:27,780 --> 02:46:30,050
case he looks at it after 
reviewing everything because I 

3330
02:46:30,060 --> 02:46:32,250
just don't want to deal with 
this guy right. 

3331
02:46:32,320 --> 02:46:35,490
You know and this and this 
happened two years ago because 

3332
02:46:35,540 --> 02:46:40,370
the original AUSA contacted my 
attorney and and when we went 

3333
02:46:40,380 --> 02:46:44,210
when we went on a full blown 
Press of offensive then with a 

3334
02:46:44,260 --> 02:46:47,270
huge press release and she got a
copy of it. 

3335
02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:50,490
She emailed unable to copy on 
the same day it went out to my 

3336
02:46:50,500 --> 02:46:52,850
attorney and said what is this 
We're not happy with this blah 

3337
02:46:52,860 --> 02:46:55,060
blah blah. 
He said my attorney responds and

3338
02:46:55,070 --> 02:46:57,660
said are you suggesting that my 
client get forgo his First 

3339
02:46:57,670 --> 02:47:00,540
Amendment privileges while he's 
being persecuted by the federal 

3340
02:47:00,550 --> 02:47:02,320
government. 
She said Oh no that's not what 

3341
02:47:02,330 --> 02:47:04,420
I'm suggesting. 
I'm just saying a federal judge 

3342
02:47:04,430 --> 02:47:06,980
at some point may not look at 
this very well To which I said 

3343
02:47:06,990 --> 02:47:10,600
that's a load of crap she 
doesn't care judge doesn't care 

3344
02:47:10,670 --> 02:47:13,890
And and then when they got on 
the phone with each other 

3345
02:47:13,900 --> 02:47:17,980
between the two of them. 
The AUSA asked my attorney, she 

3346
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:23,370
goes, he he's not planning on 
going to trial with this, is he?

3347
02:47:23,420 --> 02:47:26,270
Because, you know, the 
racketeering charge was to scare

3348
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:28,110
me into a quick plea deal. 
Of course. 

3349
02:47:28,180 --> 02:47:30,330
Quick then notch in their belts,
yeah. 

3350
02:47:30,340 --> 02:47:32,570
Or or suicide, like in the case 
of Matthew Perna. 

3351
02:47:32,580 --> 02:47:35,570
Yeah, because that's because 
that's just that. 

3352
02:47:35,580 --> 02:47:37,430
Method. 
Well, the suicides, even less 

3353
02:47:37,440 --> 02:47:41,540
paperwork. 
For them, so the but one of the.

3354
02:47:41,710 --> 02:47:45,080
But but that's what they 
expected and so he she says your

3355
02:47:45,090 --> 02:47:49,400
clients not planning on going to
trial with this is he and my 

3356
02:47:49,410 --> 02:47:54,600
attorney goes do you have you 
ever read the shit he writes And

3357
02:47:54,650 --> 02:47:58,300
and that was his response And he
he's a good libertarian too by 

3358
02:47:58,310 --> 02:48:02,220
the way and that's my Raleigh 
attorney And so and so fast 

3359
02:48:02,230 --> 02:48:06,500
forwarding two years. 
I I'm now associated with much 

3360
02:48:06,510 --> 02:48:09,970
larger bullhorn. 
So I don't know I don't know if 

3361
02:48:09,980 --> 02:48:13,970
they're if they're past the 
point of caring now because of 

3362
02:48:13,980 --> 02:48:16,090
what they have as we talked 
about what they have gotten by 

3363
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:20,650
with for the last three years 
four years really And and if 

3364
02:48:20,660 --> 02:48:23,870
they're past that point and 
they're going to go to the mat 

3365
02:48:23,880 --> 02:48:25,950
with me. 
Well we're going to go to the 

3366
02:48:25,960 --> 02:48:29,850
mat with them. 
We already have six attorneys on

3367
02:48:29,860 --> 02:48:33,180
my team now we could show up we 
could ride into town. 

3368
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:36,250
Whenever my trial takes place if
it takes place with as many as 

3369
02:48:36,260 --> 02:48:39,630
10 or 12 attorney sitting at my 
table with me in the gallery. 

3370
02:48:39,640 --> 02:48:42,350
I'm going to have the O Jays 
dream team and we're going to 

3371
02:48:42,360 --> 02:48:45,120
have our if if the glove don't 
fit, you must Acquit moment. 

3372
02:48:45,190 --> 02:48:47,450
It's all it's going to happen 
and they're going to have to 

3373
02:48:47,460 --> 02:48:50,130
deal with it and they're going 
to have to work for this and 

3374
02:48:50,140 --> 02:48:53,360
this new AUSA. 
He may be looking at this right 

3375
02:48:53,370 --> 02:48:56,480
now going, God Dang it, do I 
want to deal with this? 

3376
02:48:56,570 --> 02:48:59,720
I don't know. 
You got FAFO on this. 

3377
02:48:59,970 --> 02:49:02,020
This the case. 
You got her surrender on New 

3378
02:49:02,030 --> 02:49:03,860
Year's? 
You gotta, you gotta say you had

3379
02:49:03,870 --> 02:49:06,380
an active arrest warrant. 
You didn't put it into NCIC. 

3380
02:49:06,390 --> 02:49:08,340
You didn't think that I would 
get pulled over in a traffic 

3381
02:49:08,350 --> 02:49:10,360
stop between now and then or 
what? 

3382
02:49:10,370 --> 02:49:12,420
I thought that was a domestic 
terrorist. 

3383
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:15,110
Wait, you you said that I should
surrender myself, and you didn't

3384
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:16,500
have an active arrest warrant 
for it. 

3385
02:49:16,510 --> 02:49:19,440
I mean, the the questions that 
your attorneys could put in 

3386
02:49:19,450 --> 02:49:23,880
front of a FBI agent or any, 
frankly, US Attorney's office 

3387
02:49:23,890 --> 02:49:26,400
here, it's just riddled. 
There's there's a lot there that

3388
02:49:26,410 --> 02:49:29,540
you could do, especially for as 
much as you're being exposing 

3389
02:49:29,550 --> 02:49:31,990
everything that's going on here,
how they've weaponized the 

3390
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:34,480
process about it. 
Like, here's what I think 

3391
02:49:34,490 --> 02:49:38,180
happened. 
This guy, they found a new US US

3392
02:49:38,190 --> 02:49:41,240
Attorney is going to take it. 
He wanted to take Christmas off.

3393
02:49:41,370 --> 02:49:45,020
He wants to get New Years off. 
So he had to scrap the plan for 

3394
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:47,200
you to surrender yourself 
because he was gonna have a a 

3395
02:49:47,210 --> 02:49:48,780
conflict there. 
He was probably going out of 

3396
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:51,160
town and doesn't want the new 
guy to get credit for his 

3397
02:49:51,170 --> 02:49:53,980
arrest. 
But all this this paperwork here

3398
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:57,140
is you can use your advantage 
and just say like FFO man. 

3399
02:49:57,150 --> 02:49:59,300
I'm taking it all the way up, 
putting you through a decision 

3400
02:49:59,310 --> 02:50:02,530
for your chips on every single 
hand because I know you don't 

3401
02:50:02,540 --> 02:50:04,890
got it. 
And make sure your lawyers get 

3402
02:50:04,900 --> 02:50:08,120
the date and time stamp of if 
and when these warrants were 

3403
02:50:08,130 --> 02:50:09,080
ever entered. 
Because. 

3404
02:50:09,090 --> 02:50:13,220
I'm sure the FBI trolls who are 
listening are now scrambling to 

3405
02:50:13,230 --> 02:50:15,550
be like, but we didn't do it and
these guys know that we're 

3406
02:50:15,560 --> 02:50:17,680
supposed to, uh, we better do it
and get it done. 

3407
02:50:17,690 --> 02:50:20,560
Yes. 
Well this is this is the most 

3408
02:50:20,630 --> 02:50:22,920
current update on my situation 
so. 

3409
02:50:22,930 --> 02:50:25,000
On a Thursday of. 
Last week when we could go, 

3410
02:50:25,010 --> 02:50:28,460
today was when I got the the the
message from my attorney that 

3411
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:32,010
Agent Noise had contacted him 
and that in fact they were 

3412
02:50:32,020 --> 02:50:35,360
expecting me to self surrender 
this past two or two days ago on

3413
02:50:35,370 --> 02:50:38,920
Tuesday and then on Friday after
hours. 

3414
02:50:38,930 --> 02:50:41,980
So he waited till after 5:00 
Eastern Time to call my attorney

3415
02:50:41,990 --> 02:50:45,820
back and Agent Noyes now told my
attorney that they have decided 

3416
02:50:45,830 --> 02:50:50,040
to postpone my self surrender 
date until sometime after 

3417
02:50:50,050 --> 02:50:53,580
Christmas, no date specified. 
And then that was when he was 

3418
02:50:53,590 --> 02:50:58,210
also informed of the new AUSA 
assigned to my case and so that 

3419
02:50:58,220 --> 02:51:02,830
was all we had and and then he 
called him back at my urging to 

3420
02:51:02,840 --> 02:51:07,800
find out can you tell me what 
the damn charges are And he 

3421
02:51:07,810 --> 02:51:12,450
specifically said Agent Noi is 
that he doesn't know. 

3422
02:51:12,570 --> 02:51:16,800
He really doesn't know because 
until a judge or magistrate 

3423
02:51:16,870 --> 02:51:19,460
actually signs off on the 
warrant, he won't know what 

3424
02:51:19,470 --> 02:51:21,030
those charges are. 
Yeah, how about take it to a 

3425
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:22,640
grand jury? 
Assholes Like, how about you? 

3426
02:51:22,650 --> 02:51:25,170
How could you surrender if they 
haven't already gotten a process

3427
02:51:25,180 --> 02:51:27,350
to charge you yet? 
How much TBI agent if you don't 

3428
02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:29,030
know the charges? 
That you're allegedly 

3429
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:31,690
investigating. 
Give me a break, dude, It gets. 

3430
02:51:31,700 --> 02:51:34,550
Worse and worse. 
Man, it gets worse from here. 

3431
02:51:34,620 --> 02:51:38,790
So now, finally on Tuesday, one 
of my. 

3432
02:51:38,840 --> 02:51:41,970
New attorneys on the team 
actually has a conversation with

3433
02:51:41,980 --> 02:51:45,150
the brand new AUSA. 
Adam Dryer originally out of 

3434
02:51:45,160 --> 02:51:52,540
Michigan, failed candidate for 
state senatorial seat back in 

3435
02:51:52,550 --> 02:51:56,690
2018 and now he's relocating, 
relocated to DC to handle these,

3436
02:51:56,700 --> 02:51:59,520
you know these trial party. 
Yeah, so. 

3437
02:52:00,070 --> 02:52:02,960
So he finally gets on the phone 
with him, has a conversation. 

3438
02:52:03,130 --> 02:52:05,820
And. 
In that conversation, he asks 

3439
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:08,360
him what the charges are going 
to be. 

3440
02:52:08,410 --> 02:52:13,160
The AUSA denies him that 
information and specifically 

3441
02:52:13,170 --> 02:52:16,480
says I'm not going to tell you 
because we know that your client

3442
02:52:16,490 --> 02:52:20,090
will immediately go public with 
it and that's what it's all. 

3443
02:52:20,160 --> 02:52:22,050
That's literally what it's all 
about right here. 

3444
02:52:22,060 --> 02:52:24,210
God forbid there's government 
transparency when it. 

3445
02:52:24,220 --> 02:52:27,150
Comes to criminal charges and 
that's why we're doing this. 

3446
02:52:27,420 --> 02:52:29,950
So look folks, we're running up 
on a hard stop up here. 

3447
02:52:29,960 --> 02:52:31,030
Only cause I know Ryan's gotta 
get. 

3448
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:34,070
Some other stuff done. 
I've totally enjoyed just kind 

3449
02:52:34,080 --> 02:52:36,300
of cutting it back and forth. 
We've gone as much free form as 

3450
02:52:36,310 --> 02:52:38,510
we can do and we're going to do 
it more and we're going to do it

3451
02:52:38,520 --> 02:52:39,800
again. 
And obviously, Steve, anytime 

3452
02:52:39,810 --> 02:52:41,550
you want to come back now, 
you're gonna have to ask your 

3453
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:43,270
handlers over at the Blaze. 
Hopefully they'll allow you to 

3454
02:52:43,280 --> 02:52:46,030
come and chat with us the way 
that Steve handlers have led us 

3455
02:52:46,040 --> 02:52:47,560
too. 
I hope you will be able to come 

3456
02:52:47,570 --> 02:52:49,790
and chat with us more and we 
will continue to expose it. 

3457
02:52:49,800 --> 02:52:52,150
You can always come here in any 
store you write with them will 

3458
02:52:52,160 --> 02:52:55,520
come and talk about it as well. 
But thank you for joining us. 

3459
02:52:55,530 --> 02:52:57,670
Thanks for the Amras. 
Thanks for being part of the 

3460
02:52:57,680 --> 02:52:59,670
whole thing, making this a a 
joint interview. 

3461
02:53:00,040 --> 02:53:01,270
Let me start plugging some 
things. 

3462
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:04,650
First of all, want to plug Steve
Bakers Twitter so people can see

3463
02:53:04,660 --> 02:53:05,770
it. 
That's where his stories are 

3464
02:53:05,780 --> 02:53:07,740
going to be able to be seen. 
That's where you guys can follow

3465
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:09,170
his work. 
We throw that up on there. 

3466
02:53:09,240 --> 02:53:12,270
There it is. 
It's TPC. 

3467
02:53:12,400 --> 02:53:17,410
Just remember the pragmatic 
Constitutionalist TPC 4 USA. 

3468
02:53:17,820 --> 02:53:19,620
Apparently you're you're pro 
town. 

3469
02:53:19,630 --> 02:53:21,390
Your proteins are beef and 
Beaver. 

3470
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:23,190
We'll talk about that another 
time. 

3471
02:53:23,930 --> 02:53:25,940
That's why every time I see 
that, I I think I should ask you

3472
02:53:25,950 --> 02:53:26,990
about it. 
But I'm not gonna do it. 

3473
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:28,520
I'm gonna just let everyone 
wonder what it is. 

3474
02:53:28,590 --> 02:53:30,730
They can. 
They can follow you on Twitter 

3475
02:53:30,740 --> 02:53:32,500
and find out. 
That should be the way it goes. 

3476
02:53:33,530 --> 02:53:37,880
Closing thoughts, Steve Friend? 
Ohhhhh. 

3477
02:53:37,890 --> 02:53:40,300
I just remind everybody we're 
gonna be running the show. 

3478
02:53:40,310 --> 02:53:42,960
On the Amrad podcast Rumble. 
Channel. 

3479
02:53:42,970 --> 02:53:45,380
So if if you missed the 
beginning of it, you wanna get 

3480
02:53:45,390 --> 02:53:48,040
it there, then you can. 
And I also, if you want the 

3481
02:53:48,050 --> 02:53:51,640
audio, we are now streaming on 
iTunes, iheart, Spotify, all the

3482
02:53:51,650 --> 02:53:54,020
audio versions of it. 
So thanks everybody for sticking

3483
02:53:54,030 --> 02:53:56,960
with us for this marathon. 
But yeah, you can group together

3484
02:53:57,130 --> 02:53:59,420
another round of the chat there.
Garrett, any closing thoughts? 

3485
02:53:59,430 --> 02:54:00,660
And I'll give the last one to 
Steve. 

3486
02:54:00,710 --> 02:54:04,500
Yeah, I think this. 
Goes for all of us Proverbs 29 

3487
02:54:04,510 --> 02:54:08,040
right at the end of the chapter.
Many seek the face of a ruler, 

3488
02:54:08,130 --> 02:54:11,770
but it is from the Lord that a 
man gets justice and unjust. 

3489
02:54:11,780 --> 02:54:15,700
Man is an abomination to the 
righteous, but one whose way is 

3490
02:54:15,710 --> 02:54:18,310
straight is an abomination to 
the wicked. 

3491
02:54:18,500 --> 02:54:21,710
So I just want to thank all of 
you, Kyle, Steve and Steve for 

3492
02:54:21,720 --> 02:54:25,790
being an abomination to the 
wicked and letting me take along

3493
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:28,270
on this journey. 
This would not be a Garrido boil

3494
02:54:28,280 --> 02:54:29,930
appearance if we did not have a 
scriptural quote. 

3495
02:54:29,940 --> 02:54:32,450
So I I feel like I have gotten 
the piece that I required. 

3496
02:54:32,620 --> 02:54:34,420
Mr. Baker, you have any final 
thoughts on there? 

3497
02:54:34,430 --> 02:54:36,430
And I look forward to talking to
you again on Dinesh's podcast 

3498
02:54:36,440 --> 02:54:38,950
too. 
Look, Garrett, Steve, Kyle. 

3499
02:54:39,020 --> 02:54:42,200
All I can tell you is that I am 
honoured. 

3500
02:54:42,210 --> 02:54:46,620
Humbled and blessed to be 
associated with you guys, to be 

3501
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:51,350
an honorary suspendable and 
thank you for what you have 

3502
02:54:51,360 --> 02:54:53,720
meant to meant to my life over, 
especially over the last year. 

3503
02:54:53,810 --> 02:54:58,350
And I think there's going to be 
a lot more turf for us to cover 

3504
02:54:58,360 --> 02:55:01,110
and to work together on going 
forward. 

3505
02:55:01,750 --> 02:55:02,460
Who? 
Yeah. 

3506
02:55:02,890 --> 02:55:04,460
Yeah. 
And Merry Christmas to you, Mr. 

3507
02:55:04,470 --> 02:55:06,670
Baker and gentlemen. 
I will see you guys again soon, 

3508
02:55:07,410 --> 02:55:09,400
Steve. 
Friend and Gerald Boyle and we 

3509
02:55:09,410 --> 02:55:11,560
will talk to Steve on the Danish
podcast next week. 

3510
02:55:11,570 --> 02:55:12,940
Guys, I'll give you guys the 
update on there. 

3511
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:15,140
So follow our social at Kyle 
Serafin. 

3512
02:55:15,390 --> 02:55:17,780
Follow Ryan who's been doing 
great job keeping up with all 

3513
02:55:17,790 --> 02:55:19,650
the mixing turns and twists over
there. 

3514
02:55:19,660 --> 02:55:23,680
There's Ryan, you can follow him
at Ryan Matta on True Social. 

3515
02:55:23,690 --> 02:55:27,330
You can find him at Ryan 
Metamedia on on X, and then you 

3516
02:55:27,340 --> 02:55:29,880
can also find him at Ryan Matter
on Rumble here. 

3517
02:55:29,930 --> 02:55:32,350
So all of that, let's do one 
five star view and let's close 

3518
02:55:32,360 --> 02:55:34,250
this sucker out. 
I know we've been long time on 

3519
02:55:34,260 --> 02:55:36,390
it and so I want to just thank 
our five star reviews that come 

3520
02:55:36,400 --> 02:55:38,500
in all the time on the Apple 
podcast. 

3521
02:55:38,510 --> 02:55:40,090
This is articulate, honest and 
thorough. 

3522
02:55:40,100 --> 02:55:42,890
Written by Casey Shell. 
Thanks to Dan Bongino. 

3523
02:55:42,900 --> 02:55:45,050
I tuned in for the first time. 
Kyle, your articulate, honest 

3524
02:55:45,060 --> 02:55:47,370
and thorough, which is why I 
continue your first hand 

3525
02:55:47,380 --> 02:55:49,770
experiences add to the 
credibility necessary to keep us

3526
02:55:49,780 --> 02:55:51,350
engaged and too often in 
disbelief. 

3527
02:55:51,400 --> 02:55:53,930
Your time and hard work put into
your podcast must appreciate it 

3528
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:56,840
by this Midwesterner. 
Guys, we're going to cover all 

3529
02:55:56,850 --> 02:55:58,310
of your rumble rants. 
I've screenshotted them. 

3530
02:55:58,320 --> 02:56:00,630
We'll cover them all tomorrow. 
I want to thank you guys all for

3531
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:03,490
contributing on this on this 
long marathon and for showing 

3532
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the support for me and the guys,
including Mr. Baker. 

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He's not honorary suspendable. 
He's a real suspendable. 

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God bless all of you guys. 
Merry Christmas to the families 

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of these guys and we'll see you 
again tomorrow morning. 

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Thanks for listening to The Kyle
Serafin Show streamed live 

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weekdays on rubble.com/kyle 
Serafin. 

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Follow Kyle on Twitter, Truth, 
Social and Instagram at Kyle 

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Serafin.