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Steve Baker, welcome to the show.
Yeah. Thank you for having me again.
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Let's go. Man, I've been waiting for a
week. I I've been following Steve
Baker on media. He's he's getting the the white
glove treatment. We're ready to jump him in the
gang. Alright, that's good.
No, no more soft touches. Steve, do you want to announced
the big news that Blaze just put out today?
We'll get you started on that. And I know Ryan's got the the
article we can show. Yeah, I knew two days ago, and
then I was completely blindsided this morning.
I didn't think that The Blaze would go public with that.
But my editor in chief at The Blaze, Matt Peterson, wrote a
piece. And when I woke up and was just
scrolling through The Blaze this morning, I saw that there was
another column about me. And that column announced the
fact that I am now no longer just a contributor, The Blaze,
but they are bringing me on full time as a full time
investigative journalist. So I will be.
It's it's actually very, very strange for me because I am one
of those people who is. I've never worked for anybody,
you know, I I haven't had a W2 wage earner job since I was in
high school my senior year of high.
School. Yeah, you're the exact opposite
of what we are. I think most of us, me and the
other boys here, have essentially always worked for
somebody else, and we are now kind of entering into the world
where that is not the case. Ryan, we bring up Topic 2 real
quick. Want to read from the article if
you don't mind Steve and just embarrass you just a little bit
Because I think what why they're willing to do this is so
important. This is Matthew Peterson who you
said is your editor. He said we will not stop
covering the lies of January 6. The FBI says that Blaze media's
January 6th reporter won't need to turn himself in until after
Christmas. Our response is to promote him
to full time employee. Scrolling just a little further
down here, it says after years of holding the threat of
imprisonment over Baker and that's you.
If that's supposed to be some kind of get from the Justice
Department, they said you have to turn yourself in, which we're
going to cover long form folks. Don't worry about that.
We may be forgiven for turning up our noses at their gesture.
We won't be backing down. Instead, I'm proud to announce
that we've offered Steve Baker a full time salaried position as
an investigative journalist, effective start of the new year,
which he has accepted. And you guys should be following
Baker on X and congratulate him. That's coming directly from The
Blaze. But it will tell you the same
thing. If you're not following Steve, I
highly recommend you do So. The stuff that he's been
breaking about J6 is it really is groundbreaking compared to
what everyone else is doing. You've got so much time on the
ground. But we're gonna do, we're gonna
go back inception to date because the first time you and I
talked it was like 3 hours. I think we can distil your back
story, but I really want people to hear it because we do have a
new audience, if that's cool with.
You. Yeah.
We'll start wherever you want to and take it wherever you want
to. All right, Ryan, we've got a
pretty fun thing to start with. Let's do video number one.
We're going to get warmed up here.
We're going to get a little bit of Steve Baker, the the the
Steve Baker that has existed for all time, the non WW2, Steve
Baker and and then we're going to tell people how you became an
investigative journalist. Let's tell that story real
quick. Let's do video one.
Is that, you know, stuff to do. And so Danny goes, I really want
you to do Young Americans. And I went what?
And so I so I locked myself in my bathroom for about 3 months
and came out with a song, right? Good 3.
Ah, there it is. It's the American beauty
experience. Steve, What do you got to say
for yourself, Mr. Baker? Well just say, I'll start off by
saying that that really good looking long haired guy, you
know the rock God that was standing next to me playing bass
guitar, That's my son. So very proud to have spent some
few years on stage with my own son.
There's nothing better than that.
But yeah no, I I I started off as a kid.
Being a trumpet player is all I ever wanted to be.
I had my designs actually. I was hoping at some point in my
life his studio player and then was 19 years old.
I was in college, I was a trumpet performance major in
school and I got a call from a touring band that's travelling
all over the world and they invited me to join them.
So I quit school, went on the road and well, to say that my
life was changed at that moment is an understatement, because
that's what first put me behind the Iron Curtain and actually
doing Iron Curtain ministry and also some subversive work
working with underground dissidents there during that
time. I mean, when I when I joined the
band, you know, Brezhnev was the, you know, the the chairman
of the Communist Party and sat at the head of the Polit Bureau
there. That's how far back that was.
I just want people to digest what you just said.
You just said that, put me behind the Iron Curtain.
Like, you just kind of casually threw that out there.
Like most people don't say that. That might be the crowning
achievement or the sort of the wildest thing that some people
have in their entire life. And that was sort of like the
entry point into this weird life that you've lived.
Is that is that fair? Yeah, that's exactly what
happened. Because it was this, this thing
that I parachuted into when I was 19 years old.
I had no idea that two weeks later I would be in a recording
studio in San Francisco doing the demo for what would become
the theme song for the 1980 Summer Moscow Olympics.
And I had, I mean, I just literally was blindsided by this
whole whole experience. And then a year after that,
after the embargo from the West was lifted, because Jimmy Carter
and all the other Western countries boycotted the Moscow
Games in 1980. And then a year later in 81,
this band was doing an official tour in the Soviet Union.
I played on Soviet television and, you know, everything began
from there. Yeah, and when you said
subversive work, do you want to dig into that a little bit and
tell the tell the lads not not everybody.
Like I said, we got a new ish audience and subversive work
behind the Iron Curtain. May may sound a little flippant
for what was going on. You want to kind of describe it
a little bit? Yeah.
This, this organisation. Was a.
Basically it was. It was a it was a group that did
work not only in behind earn curtain countries, but other
disadvantaged parts of the world.
China, South Africa, places like that.
And there was 4 bands on the road at all times. 1/2 of the
bands were always touring in North America, basically raising
money for the two bands that were working overseas.
And then when we we would then switch continents, so we are at
nine months at a time, then we would jump continents, alternate
continents with each other. And so our our tour put us in
Europe and put us on the road there for several months and
then our pieces were approved to go in the Soviet Union.
And and essentially our job was at that time to our cover, it
was our cover was to be a band and we were, we were real band
and we we would show up on the border with our tour bus and go
through all of the searches and you know bend over, you know,
rubber glove treatment and everything that they had to put
us through to get us in. And then once we were in, we had
literally hidden inside of our equipment.
We had tape duplicating equipment, We had recording
studio equipment for these underground dissidents we had
back then. We had printing press parts and
plates for these dissidents as well.
We don't need those. You're printing press parts
anymore. But that's what we were carrying
over back in 8080 one and before and after.
And so it was, it was actually a a very, very interesting group
and we worked directly with some very powerful organisations.
For instance during the Reagan and Inspiration administration,
we were working with, believe it or not, the Secretary of
Interior, James Watts, you know the the the Interior Department
of Interior had Black Ops money as well and that was used to
fund these types of subversive or operations.
And and that's essentially what we were doing is we were
supporting the underground dissident movement, Christian
dissident and Christian dissidents inside the Soviet
Union. And then I took that another
step further and eventually started going over there by
myself as well. Been doing essentially the same
thing in my cover was as a musician.
I would I would go in I would have my my trumpet gig bag over
my shoulder, my my you know my duffel bag with my clothes and
over the other shoulder and I would cross into these countries
and that was my job. I would.
I would tell them that I was on holiday from touring in the in
Europe and. I would.
Steve, can I ask you a question about that?
Yeah. So it's a fascinating story to
hear that you did that. That's part of your life.
And you're literally doing God's work to help Christian
dissidents and other dissidents and spread freedom.
And now here you are today in America.
View it as a dissident. How do you hold those things
simultaneously in your head? And what's your reaction to what
our own government is doing to you now, especially looking back
on your own history and what you've done on the, you know,
the side of freedom and truth and for Christ as well?
Did you see my tweet invitation this morning to this broadcast?
I actually invited all of our FBI watchers to to join us.
I actually sent a text to my FBI case agent last night and
invited him and all of his buddies and and what Craig,
what's that? That's.
Craig. Is that his name?
Yeah, Craig Noy is good. And then I invited them and I
said something to the effect of take a break and have a little
holiday cheer with us today and a little break from your Gulag
Archipelago lifestyle. So yeah, that experience when I
was 1920 years old affected my entire life all the way up until
now. We need to connect the dots
here. The fact that that Steve Baker
was penetrating into the USSR to bring them Levi genes.
And then that fortune led to Dan Goldman ascending to become a
congressional representative, to then interrogate Care and I to
turn America into a communist nation.
I mean, as they said in the chat, it's it's the circle of
life. But to answer your question more
specifically, I think this this does ring hard, ring true for me
right now more more so than you know.
I'm not going to compare myself in any way, shape or form to
some of the more abused of the J6 defendants that have been
through this process. I don't know if you saw I posted
a postcard letter that was received last night by Angel
Harris and the the wife of retired Sergeant Ken Harrelson
who was one of the Oath Keepers who was not involved in any of
the planning or the UP upstaging of the, you know of the event.
He was just called on January 3rd by the head of the Florida
Oath Keepers Kelly Megs and said hey Ken, we need you to provide
security and actually head the security for one of the side
stages, one of the legally permitted by the capitol police
side stages on the capital property that day.
And so after sitting in the ellipse down where the president
was speaking at the invitation of the United States Secret
Service, this is where those guys were sitting watching the
president's speech. Then it was time to lead their
protectees over, you know, the mild mile and a half walk over
to the capital. And that's what Kenny did.
And then when he got there, you know, he, he made the fatal
mistake of following the crowd into the building.
And of course when he got inside, he did what an
oathkeeper does is he saw a distressed officer immediately
called over. 3 Oath Keepers. Other ones, they lined up
before. Between him and the more
agitated protesters, they stood a line.
There's we have actually photography and and video of
Kenny holding out his arms and holding crowds back from Officer
Harry Dunn. And then Harry Dunn repaid him
by perjuring himself in trial and telling the jury that this
was an agitated and a completely contentious confrontation and
that those bookkeepers were trying to get down the stairs to
attack other officers and blah blah blah.
You know, just just as this made up tale of tales and and then as
a result of that these guys were convicted, punished and framed.
I'm convinced of that and that's what happened.
But I but this letter this postcard that I was talking
about was received by Angel, his wife and just just evil vile and
yet couched it in the words of you know, this is we, we're
Christians. And if I look at the Bible this
silly and everything you guys are, you guys are not the
defenders of democracy. You guys are are the
insurrectionists and the unholy and.
Blah and Christofascists, No. Less I like that there's there's
the word I don't have it up in front of me, but I'm glad it's.
Alright, that's out in my head last night.
I love the idea of a Christo fascist, just because everything
about it is, you know, that's an oxymoron in and of itself.
But Steve, what I wanted, the reason why I liked having you
tell your story of going into this, the Soviet Union and doing
the Iron Curtain work is because you participated in intelligence
operations. That's what those are, Those are
influence operations. And what I'd like to do is zoom
back out. Since you've been doing such a
good job and such an intense job of covering J6.
Can you give people who don't really have a great grasp on it,
who haven't spent the hundreds of hours that you have watching
all the footage and, you know, doing all the interviews?
Can you give people your overall, you know, fair and
balanced kind of take on this is what you think happened?
And, and a lot of it you have evidence for which we'll talk
about, too. Yeah, I I will start the answer
to that question by telling you that I have changed my mind and
I have vacillated and I have, I have been back and forth
sometimes 180° on a lot of specific incidences and issues
and and you know events that took place that day.
But in the overall context that hasn't changed much because what
I saw with my own eyes and what I did, what I captured on my own
video that day and then overlaying that with some people
that I really trust that have much, much more experience than
I do. And in viewing these types of
influence operations as you correctly identified it it and
I'm talking about you know special OPS guys that that's
what they did. This is they spent many, many
years on the ground doing this kind of thing in other
countries, Middle East, South America, Central America,
etcetera, etcetera. And as they looked at those
videos with me and they would identify the same things that I
saw that day. It that's the one thing I
haven't changed is that I saw with my own eyes.
I'm not going to say yet that it was planned from top to bottom,
but I will tell you that I know that it was allowed to happen.
My investigations have shown me that from the command centre of
the Capitol Police, beginning with the intelligence
department, who had every single thing that they needed to know
in advance, not just three days in advance but as many as two
weeks in advance, They had been warned about everything.
It's very, very uncommon knowledge.
Is that the Department of Defence?
Both Chris Miller, who was acting deaf at the time, as well
as Joint Chiefs of Staff, Millie, head of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff. Both of them wanted to cancel
all what they call First Amendment protest permits on
January 6th because of the threat that they believed that
was imminent. That day they pass that
information along to the Capitol Police.
That information was never disseminated, not to their
frontline officers, not to their Middle Command level officers
and. Not even to Chief Son.
That's an interesting story in and of itself, which we can or
can't get into it later depending on the time.
But the point being is, is that they went into, they went into
that day completely unprepared. I believe that the Capitol
Police themselves were set up. And when I say that I'm talking
about the frontline officers, I'm not talking about the
command. But as they were watching this
from the command centre, they executed essentially a, you
know, I've, I've euphemistically called it a rope, a dope
operation. It's like you know, let them in,
let them a little bit more, let them in a little bit more.
And that's what I saw develop in my in my own eyes.
And now I believe it more so than ever after all of these
layers of the onion that I've been peeling back over the last
three years. I think we broke down the rope,
Adel. But for those of you who are not
boxers or have not watched Rocky movies or any of these kind of
things, if it's not part of your lexicon, the Ropeadope is
essentially letting somebody tyre themselves out.
And so when Steve says, like they, you know, they're fighting
for everything they've got at at one barricade, you give them
another, you know you you've triumphed, You managed to get
yourself another eight feet or whatever, and then you just stop
them cold there again and continue to do it.
It's interesting that you don't think that it was completely
centrally planned. I have the same instinct.
I have far less time looking at it, but the idea that it would
be centrally planned is antithetical to everything I
know about the way the government works and everything
I know about how these types of intelligence operations would be
run. Especially because the FBI was
involved and there's so many field offices.
There's 56 field offices, and the boys can talk about this
with me as well. But it's more likely than not
every single field office was individually incentivized to
have their own cases built up and have their own sources roll
through it and have their own sort of statistical
accomplishments for being embedded and and disrupting and
for reporting in on and all this kind of stuff.
And then when that all happens, everybody is kind of working
towards the same goal, but not everybody is communicating with
each other what they're trying to do.
It just turns out to basically be the shit show that we saw,
which is that the government was able to run the biggest case
that's ever been done. They were able to get a huge
budget against it. I mean, they opened up new
offices for the FBI in DC to do this stuff.
Oh, they not only open up new FBI offices that are now opening
up capital police officers on the the heels of this and under
the justification of this all over the country, The first two
were in Tampa and San Francisco and now it was just announced
they're opening several other offices of Texas and and other
states as well. Capital.
Yeah, I know. Maybe that maybe the Guard and
Steve, you guys want to kind of weigh in on the idea that we
have a congressional security force that is not under the
executive that's now doing some sort of enforcement actions and
not the area that they're charged with.
Well you have the the police aspect which is supposed to fall
under the executive branch. They're going to execute the
laws that the the legislative branch draughts and and pushes
through and now they they are under the direction of the
legislative branch. So it's just weird quasi they
they responded both branches. So it's me.
There's sort of a a separation of powers issue.
And then I also think we have this issue of mission creep that
rolls in because they've overfunded the Capitol Police
and then they're going to justify this budget by
expanding. They're going to build these
satellite offices so that they can use the budget and say, look
we use the budget give us more next year.
And the the problem is that they have these special agents I
guess with the capital police that are going to claim that
they have 1811 criminal investigator authority.
So ergo they can investigate all matters of federal criminal law
and they're just going to ask for forgiveness rather than
permission. I I was having a conversation
about this a few days ago. To me it's no different than
like a a federal wildlife guy who's who's out on on a natural
park or something like that natural reserve who then just
sets up shop inside city limits and says, you know, look, I have
federal arrest authority. I'm just going to conduct
investigations here. It's like, well, yes, that's in
keeping with being an 1811 criminal investigator, but it's
not in keeping with your actual jurisdiction, which which your
lane of expertise is. We don't want the DEA doing
complex financial crimes that they they are authorised to do
it, but they're just going to again, they're going to ask for
forgiveness rather than permission and then challenge
the states like Florida to say, well, you know, is a supremacy
issue here. We can't stop them from from
coming down here and and expanding their effort.
What do you think, Garrett? So I heard they're getting one
of these outposts or whatever you want to call it, right?
Right here in my stomping grounds in the Milwaukee area,
so. Congratulations.
I know I can't wait to to go and just turn myself in and say hey
guys, here I am. But no, it it's I think Steve
nailed it about the mission creep and the the future of what
this is gonna turn into. This is police state.
I mean that's a topic we talk about often and this is just
another primary example. So you have the capital police.
So they are supposed to be like you you've talked about before,
basically glorified security guards telling you which
direction whatever monument that you want to go see is in.
And now they're going to be popping up all over the country.
What is that about? I mean that's that's police
state. It is indeed, folks.
We're talking to Steve Baker, who is an investigative
journalist now full time with The Blaze, which we're really
excited to, to be able to announce that they announced
just now on their website. And so if you're not following
Steve, please do so on Twitter and we'll put his handle out
there. It's been tagged all over the
place, but it's TPC for the pragmatic constitutionalist, the
number four USA, TPC 4, USA. How Pro is that, Baker?
We think I get it. Awesome.
It's not the easiest thing to roll off the tongue.
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well because I've got American Radicals Steve Friend and
Garrido Boyle. We're kind of a circular firing
squad right here on Mr. Baker, hitting him with all the pepper
questions. Steve, will you tell people
you're what brought you to this January 6th investigation?
Because I think some people don't realise that, like you
were there and you were walking around, that you did some pretty
notable coverage on that day. Yeah, that was a We talk about a
life changing, an event for. And a lifetime.
Ago, right. Yeah.
It seems like it's been, you know, we're we're literally a
couple of weeks away from it being three years ago.
And what got me there was not January 6, it was not President
Trump's call because there was going to be something wild.
It was not because, well, anybody that knows me and has
followed my writings for, you know, forever knows that I've
never been a Trump supporter. So it was.
It was not that which brought me to January 6th.
It was COVID. It was a COVID lockdowns that
got me there. I I'm I'm not a rally attendee.
I don't go to political rallies. I I'm a very very independent
person. I'm not a Republican.
I'm not a Democrat. I'm a what you would I guess
characterise as a small L libertarian.
I've never been a member of that party and and so I don't I don't
attend political events. I hate them.
I don't like sitting for an hour or two hours and listening to
politicians lie to me. It's not my thing and I've never
done that. Also not a riot chaser.
The first time I ever attended A protest event in my life was the
COVID lockdowns there. There was a I think two weeks
after they started the flat, you know two weeks to flatten the
curve thing. There was here in North
Carolina, Raleigh at the at the state capitol They did a reopen
NC rally and that was the first time I ever attended an event in
my life because it affected me personally because being and
growing up and being for 40 plus years in the music business in
all manners of all facets of the music business but mostly live
performance. They took my job away from me
and I didn't know what time, how long they were going to do that.
But you know as we all know two weeks to flatten the curb became
two months, became almost two years and for an A year and a
half the government told me I could not work.
I could not earn a living and I was in one as I as I mentioned
earlier having been one of those self employed people for 40
years. I was in that old Nexus where I
didn't get anything. You know, those of you that got
your $1200 stimulus cheques? I I never got one.
You weren't one of those guys because your income didn't
qualify that way. Right.
As as if as if a year and a half of unemployment, 12, couple of
1200 dollar cheques was gonna make any difference whatsoever.
No, that's true, too. But I want to hone in on this
too, because I think that's where I think people have
empathy for things that they can experience.
A lot of people got locked out of their jobs.
Some of them got paid to stay home.
A lot of people didn't. Restaurant employees screwed.
A lot of service workers screwed, you know, people who
were involved in dealing with the public, whether it be events
or actually, you know, performing on stage and all this
kind of stuff. People were screwed and and it
brought together people from the left and the right.
Like you say, lowercase L I'm sure a lot of your bandmates are
pretty Lib minded because that's just the way that people who are
creative and musicians tend to be, right?
And they tend to, they tend to look at the world a little
differently than people who are out there, you know, building
construction or anything else. But they all had a right to earn
a living we thought and then this was a uniting piece.
So I think that's really interesting.
The other question that I want to hone in on, some people I
think have tried to put the journalist banner on as a
shield, like, no, no, no. Cause we saw this in antifa
rides. Oh, I'm a journalist.
That's why I'm here throwing this Molotov cocktail and This
is why I'm I'm being an asshole and shooting laser pointers
cops. I'm a journalist.
I happen to be involved in like weird activism and rioting.
But you had done journalism for a long time.
You covered it for me the first time.
Can you give people a quick progression going back to the
early, the early days of the Internet and and kind of how
that progressed into being a journalist as one of your sort
of hobby jobs? Yeah, writing has always been a
passion of mine anyway. In fact, in fact I had submitted
and had published articles in some music magazines all the way
back in the 80s. And then when the 90s came
around and we learned of these things called Prodigy and
CompuServe and AOL, I, you know, I had a council and all of these
platforms and began to really didn't know the way to say it.
I began to sharpen my sword, practise that which I enjoyed.
Two things that I enjoyed passionately were writing in
politics. And so those were my hobbies on
the side, my reading. I I was I'm a voracious reader
of all things political, historical.
And that that gave me the opportunity to start exercising
that muscle. Because I, you know, I spent so
many long weeks and months on tour buses and and bouncing
around and travel vans with the trailer behind me and that sort
of thing being in this business. And so I had that time to write
when I was in that those circumstances.
And so this outlet was afforded to me during the early 90s.
And of course all of that progressed ultimately to
Myspace. Myspace became Facebook.
Facebook became A blog. And then and then COVID changed
everything for me because as I said, you know, the first two
weeks of the of the flattened, the curve locked down were
amusing to me. I sat on my front porch every
day with my laptop and my lap cigar hanging out of my mouth
and drink sitting on the table beside me.
And I I watched the Empty because I live near downtown
Raleigh and I just watched the empty streets and no traffic.
And I just wrote. I wrote about what was happening
in real time right there. Did did you have the same
feeling that I did, that it would look like a zombie
apocalypse? Like it was the beginning, the
beginning scenes of the zombie apocalypse.
Yes, yes, absolutely. And I.
And and of course, you know, you know what else I had sitting
beside me, just in case the zombies did start coming?
Down, I have to imagine. Yeah, right, right.
So, so the that was always there because I didn't know when they
would start coming down the streets.
So then two weeks became two months.
And at once. We're about two months into
this. I realised, just reading the tea
leaves politically and globally, that this was not going away,
that this was in fact. You know, look, when we talk
about a pandemic, I don't go so far as as to read it in the same
way that that movie read it. But there was no doubt after two
months that this was in fact a concerted effort by global
forces as a siop on the world to see how far they could get by
with this and and and another Ropeadope, you know let's see
how far we can go and and they they got way too far in my mind.
But the point being is, is that a couple months in I decided to
actually I made a conservative concerted shift in my thinking
and I moved that which had been basically a hobby for me.
I had never monetized my right. I I had, I had articles that
would go viral that were, you know, getting hundreds of
thousands or or even up into over 1,000,000 views and never
monetized it because it just wasn't a I didn't need it and B
I'm just, you know, old dog new tricks, the the whole Internet
thing is, you know, still still confounds me.
But the the point being is that I made that decision to make
that shift and I moved. I I switched chairs in my life
and I took the the that music thing that had been so vital to
me since I was child. And I put that in the copilot
seat and I moved the other into the captain's chair.
And that was the shift in my life.
And that happened early on in 2020.
So now you Fast forward a couple more months and I'm getting
really antsy because I like to be on the road, like to travel.
I I I am one of those people that loves to live out of a
suitcase. I would rather live out of a
suitcase than a house, and I like being in a different place
every day. And so when it it became
apparent to me that they were not going to allow me to go back
to work for some time, I hit the road and I started organising
meetups with my blog followers all over the country.
I travelled to 28 different states during the lockdowns
doing meet up. Some of them were like almost
like Speakeasy type places. If we were in a city or or a
state with severe lockdown restrictions and that's how we
handled it, we would meet secretly somewhere and
somebody's home. Other places actually would open
up the back doors to the bar, the restaurant let us in and
then you know if it had a conservative owner or something
like that. And then of course when we got
to Texas and Florida, we had no problem meeting in in a public
public venues. So it was different everywhere.
And then it just happened that in the process of all of this,
there was an announcement on December 19th, 2020 that there
was going to be this big event in DC and President Trump said
it's going to be wild. And so I put it on the calendar,
it's part of my travel schedule. It it was no more complicated to
me than that. And I wasn't going there because
I thought that, well, I I shouldn't say this.
I should, I should more accurately say this is that I
did wonder, OK, in this big event, is the president really
going to unleash the Kraken that we had heard about as it relates
to election fraud or something like that?
And I had not written a word about election fraud other than
I understood the anomalies. And yeah, because I'm pretty
good at math. And so there were things that
I'd seen that I didn't have answers for, but I never took a
position on it because, again, it's just, it was just not my
thing. And I was more focused on COVID
at the time anyway. And in fact I was in the middle
of writing a COVID book, the Co author when all of this went
down, when January 16th went down and that kicked the you
know the the legs out from under our book project.
And so actually me and the Co author a writer of some esteem
as I like to refer to him. He and I both put it on the
calendar and we went to Washington drove up there on the
5th from Raleigh and then showed up at the Washington Monument
about 9:30 that morning after breakfast and once again another
life changing event took place. And and it was nothing that I
expected. It was nothing that I planned.
Look I'm I'm not a member of any militia group.
Never have been don't anticipate that I ever will be hope that we
don't ever enter a time in our our our country's life where I
have to join one of those. But the point being is, is that
I had, you know, I had no associations with Oath Keepers
or the Proud Boys or the Three Percenters or, you know, North
Carolina militias or anything of the sort.
I went up there as a journalist with my microphone, camera,
tripod and I was gonna do man on the street interviews after the
speeches and get impressions from the average American, as I
had been doing travelling to 28 states before, about all the
things, the speeches. If he if, if Trump did unleash
the Kraken. I certainly wanted to get
everybody's impression on that and and and quite, quite curious
for me at the time. I actually wrote a couple days
before I went to DC. I actually said these words that
I did not anticipate that very many people would show up
because it was you know, it's January and it was on a
Wednesday and conservatives work.
You know they don't. They don't, they don't bust
people in paid protesters at 50 bucks a piece of George Soros
money for these things. And I thought on.
Getting very conspiratorial right now.
We're going to start working that way.
I like it. But I just.
I just assumed that it would be a moderate gathering, and I had
no idea what I was about to witness and see.
Steve, so I, you know I just did my quick Google search and we're
on day 1375 of 15 days of flatten the curb and I you know
I know you covered that pretty extensively for for a time
before you transition over the January 6th.
So you've you've covered both pretty pretty in depth I know
they're very different but do you get a sense just the 30,000
foot view of it that there's an overlap of a government
overreach aspect to it is that that's generally my sort of
takeaway. It's it's been not saying it
didn't happen not saying that there wasn't something that
organically wasn't there. And I'm I'm I'm kind of in your
camp where like the pandemic thing I get a little bit
cautious about it but I think it was like let's not let a crisis
go to waste. And that and that to me is where
I see the the Kamala Harris men diagram overlapping which always
gets gets me a little bit up and nervous about the the enemy of
the state type of government that where we've been seeing the
last few years. Do you do you see that overlap?
Yeah, yeah. I will tell you that if the
January 6th event, the alleged stolen election etcetera,
etcetera was the straw that broke the camel's back, that led
to the rioting that took place that day.
The hey, you know, the the the Bale of hay that was already
there was COVID. Because this, this is when you
go back and you look at things again, you can, you can go back
and and see 2020 through, you know, the rearview mirror here
is that these were people that were able to show up for an
event on a Wednesday because how many of those were out of work?
I actually said that to my colleague that day.
We were standing out in the Washington Monument lawn, you
know, freezing our asses off, waiting for the event, you know,
waiting for the speeches to begin.
And I actually, as the crowd was growing and it was becoming a
spectacle unlike anything I had ever seen in my life, I actually
said those words to him. I said, do you think that this
is because these people have are out of work right now, that they
can come from all over the country on a Wednesday?
And certainly that was true of a lot of them.
So there was that there had been a nearly year long buildup of
incredible frustration over psychologically.
I mean this this was this was a psychological operation that had
been. Enacted and had been perpetrated
against all of these people, all Americans.
And this was the group that was most frustrated by it because
they understood and they could see what the source was and what
the reason behind it was. And then the election happened.
And then those people saw that 3:00 in the morning event where
the voting was stopped and the tabulators stopped running.
And then when they they crawled in bed and they woke up the next
morning, everything had flipped over the other way and they had
never seen that for in their life, legitimate or otherwise.
Real or not. I'm, I'm not here to take a side
on that. It took me 22 months before me
personally. I actually determined that it
was in a stolen election and it wasn't the vote count itself or
how that was done. It was Mark Zuckerberg on Joe
Rogan saying that he had taken the direction from the FBI to
spike, suppress and delete the information about Hunter Biden's
laptop. And right then I went That's a
stolen election. As far as January 6th goes, I,
and you have obviously covered this in in research.
This more extensively than in all of us could probably do in
in our lifetimes combined. I know you've devoted your life
to it for the last three years. Here's my sort of general
answer. When when I go around and and do
speaking engagements and people ask me what my opinion is of
January 6th, me, I I want to see if if you think that I'm
tracking the right direction here or if I've got this all
wrong, because I've been sort of typecast as like this January
6th whistleblower where all my stuff was right of boom, it was
after the actual incident. It was with the FBI's doing
after the fact that I had a problem with.
But what actually happened that day?
I think that there were provocateurs who were there.
Who were you getting the crowd ginned up?
I think there was a Capitol police force that was
understaffed and overwhelmed and under trained.
I think that there were paid informants who were there.
They were trying to push the crowd and and and undercovers as
well. I think that there were people
that got caught up in the moment and did some bad things and
stupid things. And then I think that there was
a contingency of people who went there because they were really
angry about watching the country burn in 2020 from a bunch of
avocado toast eating Antifa members.
And they thought, I'm gonna go there and I'm gonna crack their
heads and give the beating their daddy never gave them.
And then we'll just we'll leave. And those were the bookkeepers,
Proud Boys. And then the largest contingency
is is what I call the miracle on 34th St crowd.
And that was the people that went there to hear the president
speak and then thought, we're going to like the letters they
brought into the the judge at the end of Miracle on 34th St to
prove that Santa exists. We're going to overwhelm the
Congress with just a show of demonstration and we're going to
peacefully walk through the capital and that will motivate
them to say press pause on certifying the election.
We need to do an actual audit of it.
And then as a result of that, because there's so much to be
gained from the FBI, they they have been caught up in this
dragnet and and been raked over the coals through the process
becoming the punishment and the FBI continuing this case going
on. Your reaction to that general
assessment? There's absolutely not a single
word. You just said that I don't agree
with. I mean everything you said is
absolutely correct. Now which proportion was the was
the most significant towards lighting this fire?
Because that crowd that day was in fact very dry tender.
I mean, it was, it was ready to be ignited by something.
And most people, of course, were nowhere near capable even.
Look, that crowd was every single possible representation
of what America looks like, age group.
There were children were babies and buggies.
There were barely ambulatory, you know, old age pensioners
there. Everybody was there.
And there was there was no way under any, you know, concept of
any anybody's imagination that what happened was going to
happen except for that handful, as you pointed out, of paid
provocateurs, agitators that were placed in the crowd.
And we know that they were there because Michael Stinger, the
late Sergeant of arms of the Senate and his only Senate
testimony, he actually said these words in his opening
statement. He said this is an opportunity
for us to investigate and learn who those paid agitators, quote
unquote, paid agitators were in that crowd.
He was never invited again to speak before Congress for the
next year and a half of his life.
And he did not die under conspiratorial circumstances.
He was not murdered the night before he was supposed to
supposed to appear before the Senate.
I mean the House Select Committee he had had cancer
before January 6 and he was in failing health and he passed
away of natural causes a year and a half after January 6th.
But the point being is, is that even in the months after that
testimony when he was still healthy enough to be
interviewed, they did not want to hear from this guy because he
was willing to speak the truth. And so he didn't get the the
Hillary Clinton suicide himself by shooting himself in the back
of the head two times. That's.
Alright, as far as being on the ground that day you you you
describe being there. Want to do the man on the
street. I know you were freezing your
butt. I know I couldn't have been out
there in the cold. I would have been Frozen Ice
Cube. Steve turns directly into an
iguana that just freezes up. He falls right off the trees
like they do in Florida whenever the temperature drops below 50.
You've seen that, but yeah, differently. 60.
These brutal Central Florida winters are getting me.
Oht man I sent me text. Messages sent send send more
hoodies. I need the full on the dash to
Expendables Sherpa hoodie he sent to me.
I need one. Large.
One in excel so I can wear 2. Hold on before you do that,
Baker, I literally sat in a hotel in Houston, TX.
You've been to Houston. You know what I'm talking about.
In the summer, lest anyone think otherwise.
And Steve came down in a North Face jacket like a like a
windbreaker with an insulation layer.
And I went like and I and I wanted to wear nothing.
I wanted to be just in Ranger panties and I'm like, are you
alright dude? And his lips were blue.
I actually have a video interview of him wearing a
jacket and his lips are blue and you just go, good God man, are
you alright? Maybe you need to put some.
He needed a few more almonds. He could, he could swap some of
that body fat with you and me, with some of that little put
some of that little thickness on it.
And he would be much. Safer some layers, some extra
layers if I could just. You guys, you guys are still
dealing with the COVID weight. I've I've moved on.
Mine is the suspended indefinitely forever without pay
weight I think. Yeah, it's it's depressed, dad
weight. Yeah.
So Steve, being there that day, can you just give a a general
timeline of you you were at the speech, then you moved over and
then you you eventually what into the capital, like how long
do you think you were inside? I'm just sort of a general
timeline of what we're looking at because obviously you're now
a domestic terrorist who's going to have to surrender to the
United States government for the insurrection you committed.
I I guess we're guessing, since they won't tell you the charge,
What's your general timeline from January 6 that you did from
showing up till when you went back to the hotel?
Yeah the the quick elevator description of that is is that
as I said, we arrived about 9:30 that morning at the Washington
Monument lawn. We tried to get into the ellipse
but the the crowd size was just it was just impenetrable, could
not move as we tried to get closer to the staging.
So we retreated back to the Washington Monument.
I've written about this extensively.
The production values that day for such a large event.
They they, they themselves were caught off guard.
I don't know if you know this, but I think the very first
permit that was acquired by the Park Service for the organisers
of that event only got a permit for 15,000 people.
And then two or three days before they they ramped that up
to about 30,000 people. And then what ended up showing
up was hundreds of thousands of people.
And so they just were not prepared.
The PA, the video, none of that was where it should have been.
And so as a result of that, by the time it was about halfway
through Trump speech and he was an hour late getting to the
stage, you know, let's just start there.
He he was supposed to start speaking at 11:00 AM.
He didn't take the stage till 11:57 AM.
So he was an hour late taking the stage.
And and so about halfway through his speech, we realised that the
Kraken was in fact not going to be unleashed.
We were aware of the other permitted events that were
taking place at the Capitol. Thousands of people were already
peeling off from the crowd and starting to move that way.
And so my colleague and I decided to start our March over
there by ourselves as well and get get a jump on that early,
get posted up over there somewhere where we could see
what was going on there. And so we were both in pretty
good shape for, you know, our our collective ages.
And so we began. They just saw you dancing, they
know. Right, right.
So we and I was still. I was still in my Bowie weight
at the time because I had lost 60 lbs to to do that Bowie
tribute act. Cause you know, Bowie was never
heavy and. By the way, I don't think Ryan
knew much about, like, the way that Bowie used to present
himself on stage and stuff. Some people have heard the songs
but have never seen like a bow. He's like, does Steve have
eyeliner on? And I'm like, oh, you're going
to get a little intro to Bowie right now.
Bowie was a character. So, so I had.
I had. So we anyway, we walked.
We marched over there very, very quickly, briskly trying to warm
up for one thing and and when we got to the reflection pool on
the West side, I we just before we arrived we could hear the
sirens arriving. Not knowing that that was you
know cars after car after van after van after van of MPD.
Officers met DC Metro police arriving to support whatever was
already happening. We didn't know what was
happening there, but he had already begun because the first
breach was at 12:52 on that W Terrace barricade.
That was the first time, you know.
That was where Ray Epps leaned down and he whispered something.
And Ryan Sampson's ear. And execute, execute, execute.
Is not a drill. Yeah.
And then two seconds later he threw himself into the barricade
and knocked over Officer Carolyn Edwards.
She falls over, she hits her head on the concrete step.
This is first Blood right there. And and then of course they all
ran forward to the next fencing and and by the and then that
next fencing was collapsed. And guess who was at the breach
point of that. The actual breach point was none
other than Ray Epps. And then, yes, that's correct.
We have seen the videos. And so then they go up to the
terrace itself. The police officers retreat.
They form a third line on the terrace and begin bringing more
bike rack over. And that's where they
established a line for about the next hour and a half.
And so I arrived at the reflection pool, hearing the
sirens, seeing gas. I assumed it had to be, you
know, tear gas of some sort. And then I could hear
flashbangs. And I looked at my colleague and
I said, well, that's where we're going.
And we broke out in a Sprint. They ran up the steps, got to
the before the, before the crowd was of any, you know, huge size
like you're seeing in these images here right now.
It had not developed to that capacity yet, but the so I was
able to get right up to the frontline, turn the camera on at
exactly 1:19 PM. The first thing that I captured
on my camera was people getting first aid on both sides of the
line. And I went, oh, something's
going on here. I spent the next hour filming on
the West Front Battle lines and then I saw with my own eyes what
I described in my FBI interview as I described it as a stand
down order. I later learned once I got
access to the Capital Police radio coms that it was a
pullback. It was an actual pullback order,
give or take a few minutes either side of 2:00 PM And then
the line collapsed. Not every one of those officers,
not everyone of the Capitol Police officers, heard that pull
back on their radio because they couldn't hear the crowd noises.
And we're just, you know, so intense outside the singing, the
chanting, just the noise of the by then there was, you know,
thousands and thousands of people pressing up on that line
so they couldn't possibly hear that.
But the police line did finally collapse on the outer edges.
As we all know the the the next thing that happened was that
Northwest, what they called the Senate wing Dord was breached.
The windows were busted in. Some of the riders went through
those windows. They started opening up the
doors when they opened up the door there at the Senate wing.
Then hundreds of people began to swarm throughout the capital and
began to go and open all the other doors from the inside.
We can address conspiracy theories here in a moment if we
want to, but. Before you do that, Steve, can I
can I just interject a question about because I know you've
dealt with a lot of Capitol Police officers and sort of
whistleblower sort of format and I know people have basically
come to you and told stories. Do you get the impression that
they are well trained to handle riotous crowds?
Is that something that's within the US Capitol Police sort of
capability set? The, the capital police
themselves have many divisions like so many other law
enforcement agencies do. They have everything from what
would be, you know considered a swat like a team to their CDU
which is civil disturbance units.
That's the guys that wear the RoboCop looking, you know, hard
gear and. That's the right that's the
riot. Guys, the riot gear.
What about the general? You know, I call him National
Mall cops. I'm not nearly as nice about
National or about Capitol Police as you are because I didn't have
a favourable dealing with them when I saw them.
But does the general officer who was out there, who's getting the
crap beat out of them, Do they have riot training that you saw
OK, because the FBI would be terrible at it too, by the way.
Like an investigative agency, doing crowd control is like a
disaster there's no doubt about. That and and certainly they all
receive some level of probably classroom time on that.
But certainly when I got there, when I got the line, the first
thing that I captured in my my camera was a line of unprepared
young capital police officers who had no gear, no protective
gear whatsoever. They had no hard helmets on,
they had no gas masks, they had no protective gear whatsoever
and they were scared out of their minds.
I saw absolute fear. And then when I ran those
getting my camera back and I started doing frame by frame,
you could see the palpable fear in their eyes.
And then as I'm watching that I I actually tried to put myself
in their position and then not knowing what was coming.
Yeah, and. And how can you blame them?
Do you remember the movie Demolition Man was the?
Yes, absolutely. The the as you were describing
that that scene in which I think I've actually played on the show
before. Actually I know I've showed it
but it's like a guy walks up, he's a police officer.
He's got the uniform he looks the part.
But he has no experience in this.
He's never had any training. He looks into his comp set and
he said you know Maniac is assaulting you know computer
terminal advise and it goes firmly tell Maniac to put the
you know put his hands on the ground and it goes like Maniac
refused and through an insult you know it says you know add or
else at the end of the next command and that kind of thing.
And you get the idea that they were just like holy crap, they
probably had a PowerPoint presentation.
That said firmly put your hand up and say stop citizen, do not
approach me or some some horrible thing like.
That Kyle, we heard this on United States Capitol Police
radio coms. OK, this actually happened.
This is the famous scene where Lieutenant Taric Johnson, he had
heard a distress call. There was in fact a distress
call from a unit of our platoon of officers who considered
themselves to be in a dangerous situation.
They put out a distress call, the operational command, you
know operator up in the command centre, ask them what they
needed basically finally told them that we have FBI and ATF
tactical units in the building will try and see if we can send
them your way and and help you get out of this situation that
you're in. And so immediately Tart Johnson
took the, the, the comms and he said, where are you and him.
Then he ordered the FBI and ATF to meet him at the South
barricade there. And then from there he would
lead them toward these distressed officers were.
But in the interim, Carrick went on the radio, spoke directly to
the officer who called this in. His call sign was motor 13.
All right. And and so this is a motor.
This is, you know, so this is, this is a motorcycle cop, right?
He's inside the building doing stuff.
He has no idea what he's doing. Right.
That's literally dressed the same way as the as the people
from from from Demolition Man. They were all motor cops by the
way. They had those motorcycle
jackets. It's such a good he called, he
calls in this distress call, and Tarek Johnson, Lieutenant
Parkinson says to him over the air.
He says just be nice to them, tell them that you're on their
side. You know he's he's trying to
coach them through cause he'd been moved.
Johnson had been moving through the crowd freely for, you know,
two hours at this point and and so and so he just be nice to
them. They'll let you out.
And the guy goes, no, we've already, we've already tried
that. This is an officer safety
situation. We're not moving until we get
help. And so then Tark executed his
what became the famous recruiting of two Oath Keepers
to help him go get those sixteen officers out of whatever danger
that they perceive themselves to be in.
But these guys that they think about this, these guys that they
extracted from the building, from inside the building, I have
now seen the videos. They were only in a place by the
time they exited. They were surrounded about by
about 50 other uniformed officers but not in hard gear.
But those hard gear guys wanted the hell out of that building.
So you you have to see the body language and we are, we are
going to show this. This is part of what we have
harvested from capital CCTV. They wanted out of there so bad
that when Tarik and those two oathkeeper came up and got the
door open on the east side, because they had already
successfully closed it up, the police had.
But when they got them to reopen the door, let them in, those
hard units wanted out. They wanted out bad and they
actually left a situation where it was just them and cops and
they exited into a crowd of thousands of protesters.
This makes no sense to me whatsoever when you look at it
from both sides, from cameras, from both sides of the of that
doorway and it's something I'm going to figure out and I am
doing interviews right now to figure that out.
But but this was very much like that demolition.
It. It was.
It was just no you, the officers were calling in, what do we do?
And then you start hearing, we'll do this, do this, do this,
do this, respond in this way. Approach maniac and firm tone of
voice. Say we're on your side.
That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah.
The sad thing is that people have gotten so locked up at that
point that they they had no training to fall back on.
That's the real scary thing, I think, for for anybody who's
been in law enforcement. But if you go back to the West
tariffs when I, as I was talking about earlier when I tried to
put myself in the position in the mindset and and right and so
you you asked me this last time Kyle you said you know you know
where where are these skills coming from or something to that
nature as far as my whatever investigative abilities that I
have an instance that I have. Yeah, go.
Ahead and my father was a private investigator for many
years and very accomplished in that way.
He actually was able to find many miss.
His specialty was missing persons and he was able to find
and locate missing persons that the FBI had basically gone cold
on had had had quit looking for and and but my dad had what I
would call that profiler ability that you know that thing that
some people have is just a gift and and it's a thing that can't
be trained. I don't know if they, I don't
know if you know you guys former agency if that was something
that anybody ever tried to train you on.
But the point being is is he could do that when he was
looking for somebody. My dad could lock himself in his
office, whether it was for three days or just three hours, and
this was way before the Internet.
He didn't have an Internet to use to click and search and do
that sort of thing. But when my dad exited that
office, he knew where that person was and probably had
already had them on the phone. That person that had not been
found in months or years or whatever the case may be.
Have you ever seen the movie 0 Effect?
Oh yeah. I'm doing Steve Friend's movie
references, since that's an American Radicals thing.
You guys don't know this, but if you watch, if you watch the
Amrad, you know that there's movie references that are
required. And so there's a movie called 0
Effect. Was your dad basically Darrell
Zero? Did he, was he without the
craziness? Could he literally just sit and
kind of work his way through the the mental thing, which was, by
the way, that was based on Sherlock Holmes?
So yeah, it makes sense that that would be the world's
greatest investigative mind type.
Thing part of that is is is once what he would do is he would he
would get the entire bio in the on the individual from his
family from what the police files were the FBI files
whatever the case may be. He would get the entire profile
on that individual just, you know, basic investigative work.
You gotta, you know, you got, you got your folder your and and
then he would put himself into the mindset of that person and
he would descend into whatever he had to descend into to
become. What would this person do?
Where would this person go? Where Mikey had hidden himself,
Where might he have retreated, who might be helping him, who
might be hiding him? All of these things.
And and lo and behold, like I said, whether it was 3 hours or
three days when he came out of office, out of his office, he
knew where that person was. And and so I'm not saying that I
have anything close to the extent of that gift that my dad
had. But when I started looking at
these videos of the Capitol Police, it was, you know, it's
been very easy to impune them for all the reasons that we
know. As we said, you know, glorified
mall cops, glorified security guards, you know, basically in
some cases glorified tour guides because they're standing around
on their post and somebody comes up, you know, all day long,
excuse me, Sir, where's the restroom?
And they spend their, you know, 20 years of their career
pointing where the men's. Room, I don't say it to be mean,
but they really are. They're National Mall cops.
They're on the National Mall, which you experienced on that
day and and they're cops in sort of name only in a lot of ways.
Is they don't. They certainly don't have the
problems at the frequency or at the level that the DC Metro cops
have to deal with, because those are the street brawlers out
there. They're having to deal with
these riots, you know, all over the city.
Yeah, like almost daily DC Metro PD.
If you've ever seen the DC Metro riot squad, I'm sure you've seen
it. But those guys are all, they
look like they came, you know, they they didn't make it in the
NFL. They failed out of the column of
the combine. But they're big enough to be,
you know, they could have been ad line somewhere.
And then you get out there and when you see like a bunch of
like little girls with purple hair, like yelling at them and
stuff and they've got the Spartan shield and the the four
foot or the six foot baton, then you just go like those dudes are
here to fight. Like they look like they're
probably good at it too. I don't.
And they have body armour. They could covers like their
joints. It's not, it doesn't look like a
thing where like I think I'm gonna go tangle with that guy
and see how it comes out. It's not going to be good.
But the average cop is like standing around there in a
uniform that's made of polyester and probably has fake buttons
and zips up and all the things that, you know, kind of mall
copy things go and just. Yeah, so we know.
But we know from so many testimonials, not only
whistleblowers, not only unnamed sources, but in trial
testimonies, that these frontline cops, what they call
their first responders Unit units, they had no idea what was
coming their way that day. And they they got no morning
briefings, by the way. And this is another big lie that
Officer Harry Dunn told in his book.
This is, this is phenomenal. We cannot wait to show I'm in
fact, I'm giving everybody you're getting, you're getting
a, you're getting breaking. What's that?
I will sneak peek. I was gonna have Ryan bring up
our our our article number one that you sent over here.
This is the analysis showing. Did he did he perjure himself?
He can throw this up at column. Folks, you should go look to.
So Officer Harry Dunn, who we've already done a couple of videos
on, we're we're we're about to start rolling out a two part
series on A day in the life of Officer Dunn as a capital police
officer on January 6th. And so he has not only
congressional testimony, trial testimonies, but obviously his
book came out in October as well.
So we have everything he said that he did that day.
And we're going to show you that every single thing that he said
that did he did that day was a lie by the video evidence.
Not by my opinion, not by what I think or what you know.
I want to because I I didn't set out to impune this man, but he
got me started on this investigation because I knew
that he was lying in the in the Oath Keepers trial.
And so the one thing that is absolutely incredible is in his
book he specifically talks about how he arrived at the Capitol at
6:30 that morning. Very detailed, very specifically
the specific. And then roughly 7:00 they begin
gathering for their morning roll call briefing and he says that
this was a very unusual morning. Something was up because they
usually are all separate and they have their little small
meetings with their different platoons and units and that sort
of thing. But instead they had a large
gathering in the big theatre where and again, Kyle, you you
just, you cannot believe how specific this is.
So they all gathered in this huge theatre where the people
that visit the cap, you know, tourists, where they visit,
where they get their kind of orientation and they're showing
a film real about the history of the capital and that sort of
thing before they take the tour. And it's a big theatre.
And so they had all the cops in that theatre that this morning
for this important but briefing, roll call briefing and that they
were going to need to go get their helmets and all these
other things. They're all kind of looking at
each other like, Oh my gosh, you know, what's going on happened
today. And he said he talked about how
unusual that was. And in his thirteen years of
being with the Capitol Police that that that level of
preparedness had never happened before.
He's saying this in his book. So my second time in the capital
CC TV viewing room as we're kind of I'd already harvested most of
the day in the life of Harry Dunne at this point on my own.
But now I had two Blaze analysts with me and we were going
through that and we started cleaning up around the edges.
And so I I coached one of the analysts to go and start looking
at his testimonial early in the day instead of from those hours
from 1:00 to 3:00, you know, run to five when all the, you know,
the the ruckus was going on. And so it just so happens that
that's theatre that he describes in his book has two CCTV cameras
inside that theatre. Of course it does.
How many cops do you think gathered in that theatre that
morning? It's supposed to be all of them,
right? Supposed to be all of them.
Yeah, so probably almost none of them.
How about 0? Yeah, have the people who are
cleaning it, maybe the. Cleaning I make, I made.
I made one of my analysts watch that video, those two cameras,
for a couple of hours. He watched it from 6:30 in the
morning all the way till past 9:00 in the morning on January
6, then watched all of the cameras in the exterior
hallways. And then there's two more small
theatres. So just in case, you know,
Dunn's brain was Swiss cheese from all the, you know, the
events of the day that he got the theatre wrong.
So we watched the hallways on the outside of those other two,
and we didn't see a single cop in that area until a hard unit
walks by with their duffel bags was full of gear at about 9:30,
and they walked through past one of the hallway cameras.
There was no meeting. And he this is this is the level
of deception that these guys are willing to execute and willing
to tell about their experiences on January 6, when we have now
access to the truth in the video itself.
Yeah. Steve, you got done that day.
And then I know I've heard you talk about this before where
you, you kind of went back to your hotel room and started
looking at your footage and and realised that the narrative that
was immediately and instantly being put out on mainstream
media was just not what you were seeing.
And that would sort of what tickled your interest into
digging into this. How quickly after January 6th
were you actually in communication with the FBI?
It took them six months before they ever reached out to me.
You know, I know of other independent journalists who
trying to get ahead of this themselves.
They called the FBI and offered their footage and said hey, if
you, you know, I was there. I got all this footage in case
you need it for your investigation.
So I'm happy to provide that for you.
I didn't do that. I I went and actually shocked
myself away for five days and did frame by frame analysis of
my own video and then started writing my story.
I published my first story, what I saw on January 6 on the 13th,
and that was a 9500 word screed. But it was just basically what I
saw that day. No, no complicated analysis.
I saved that for about 6 weeks later when I put out my second
story, which was entitled Who Was up the Chain on January 6th?
Because by then I had already been doing interviews and had
begun doing and uncovering the kinds of things that I realised
There was something more going on here that day than just a
spontaneous by it. And so I didn't get a call from
the FBI until July of 21. And it was Agent Special Agent
Garrett Doss. He calls me about 10:00 one
morning. He introduces himself and he
says, hey, this is FBI And the first thing I said to him.
And I said, hey, what took you so long?
And he laughed. And then he said, look, we see
that you're going to be speaking on an event in Reston, VA, you
know, just outside of DC tomorrow night.
And was just wondering if you were going to be in town a
little earlier in the day and you could sit down with a couple
of our guys and, you know, talk about your experiences on
January 6th. And I said, yeah, as a matter of
fact I am gonna be in town early, I said.
But unfortunately my attorney won't be able to be there.
Yeah. Oh.
I love it. I love it.
That's I mean I you would think you're you're naivete at that
point maybe would have convinced you that they were an objective
force for good. But I'm glad that the the Ron
Paul in you said that that was a warning sign.
Well, that look, I've had, I've had plenty of of training in
that regard, you know, being being a Libertarian and we're
probably a little bit more in tune with how to handle those
situations than most Americans are.
But the point is. Is that pieces, had you written
after that? No, six months after, do you, I
mean, I imagine they probably got you on geofence or something
like that, but maybe maybe you're on the radar because you
have been writing about it and putting footage out there.
How many pieces do you think you'd actually offered?
I I don't know how many pieces I had authored.
It had to be in the dozens by then.
But also then there was just the at at that time I was primarily
just doing my blog as well as most of my work was on on
Facebook, my daily communication.
This is when you know of course Facebook was throttling the hell
out of me at that time and it was diminishing and diminishing
and I was just getting worse and worse and worse there.
I had not even I I was a Twitter.
I had a Twitter account but I was never used Twitter as a as a
writer or putting that out there.
I was just I just had a read only account.
You know basically that I had no followers.
I had, I just used Twitter to go check on what people, whatever
other people were saying. I I was a a Facebook guy.
And so that's where I built most of my following.
And your your actual first interaction though was with the
Raleigh office. I know there was some problems
with them recording and you wanted to record, but ultimately
you let them record it and that was in still the six months or
was it actually further beyond? That it was further beyond that.
As a matter of fact, as soon as I said to him that, you know,
my, my attorney would unfortunately not be able to be
there, he was like, oh, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem.
We'll schedule and and to look, I I will, I will tell you,
unlike other J6 defendants are targets of the FBI and the
Department of Justice. They have in fact been very,
very cooperative in terms of scheduling for our various, you
know, meetups in my with my schedule, my travel.
They, you know, my travel schedule and my band schedule at
the time and all of that. They, they, they worked around
that. And so I turned, I gave them my
attorney's phone number. I got Agent Dawson's phone
number, gave that to my attorney and I just turned it over to
them. And they, you know, from that
point forward, they were doing the communicating.
And so the first interview was set up in August of 21.
And when my attorney and I arrived at the office here in
Raleigh, the the the guys had a the two agents, they introduced
themselves, Dawson, Noyes, they had to sit in the lobby.
They said we've got a problem. We may not be able to do this
interview today. And I'm, I'm like, what?
What is that all about? I had no idea.
And so they said, we're going to go back in the back.
We're on a phone call, we'll be back out and then we'll let you
know what's what's going on. We'll be back in about 10
minutes. So I sat down on the sofa there
in the lobby with my my attorney and I looked over at him.
I said, what's this all about? I said, is there something?
I said, is there another 911 going on in the world somewhere
we missed? Just talking to a journalist.
What's that? Just talking to a journalist
requires extra permission. It's.
Supposed to That's that's exactly what it was.
And so my attorney looks over at me and he goes, no, this is
about you. And I went, not me.
How did you get that from there? You know what they said?
He goes, no, it's about you. OK.
So about 1/2 hour later, they emerged from the back, locked,
you know, concealed rooms and they they come out and said,
yeah, you know, we're sorry, but we're we're going to have to
reschedule this for another date.
Turns out because of your status as of you know, remember the
press blah blah blah, we we can't do this without.
We can only do this without a search warrant at 6:00 AM.
That's the only way that we're able to do this, Steve.
So there's that. Let me, let me, let me just kind
of grab this and hold on for a second.
First of all, we got a lot of people joining us.
It look like a new audience. So thanks for joining us, guys.
We're talking to Steve Baker, who is the Pragmatic
Constitutionalist. It's TP4, the number four USA
TP4 USA on Twitter. You see 4.
Two PC, I'm sorry I missed one. TPC 4 USA.
You can find them on Truth and you can find him on Twitter and
he was just recently promoted by The Blaze to be a full time
independent journalist for them or a full time investigative
journalist rather, and has stepped up from his contributor
position. So we're really proud that he's
done that. We're happy that he's here
talking to us about it. That was just released this
morning. We're talking January 6 stuff
his on the ground experience of it.
We're talking about how the FBI decided to try to squeak him a
little bit and get some voluntary interviews and that
didn't go as well as they hoped. And if you guys are watching us,
we are trending right now up on the podcast list on
rumble.com/kyle Serafin. So please give us a thumbs up.
If you're watching this on the replay, you're on the Amrat pod.
Make sure you give that a thumbs up as well.
You guys do not let my boys sit in the lurch.
And I'm joined by Garrido Boyle who's having a grouchy baby in
the background, so we're having a little bit more mic muting
than normal. And Steve Friend, who is These
are both my fellow FBI whistleblowers and we're talking
to Steve Baker who is now another bee in the bonnet of the
FBI. My ex girlfriend who is kind of
a psycho ex girlfriend of of kind of exes to have in the
world. She doesn't behave very
appropriately and has been getting more and more agitated,
particularly the fact that she offered to have you surrender, I
guess last week. Is that right?
Is it last week or this week? Was it this week?
Yeah, yeah, exactly. If we're talking about the ex
girlfriend that I think you're talking about, yes, that's.
Her name is Bluey. I think her name is Bluey.
That's what we call her, Yeah. BU.
Yeah and yeah, so you Fast forward from that first
interview that I that got aborted in August of 21.
Then this went all the way up to the USA Bernie's office because
lo and behold, there's a statute with regards to interviewing a
journalist and they had to get permission from the United
States US US Attorney General's office.
And once that was rescheduled and there was a negotiation,
there was an it was actually a negotiated interview, There was
a proffer agreement. Basically, the terms by which I
was interviewed is that nothing that I said in the interview
could be used against me should they ever try to take me to
court or try to press charges against me, unless there's
something I said in that interview in which I perjured
myself. Which are you familiar with the
the the concept of parallel construction at all?
No, either you boys want to jump in on that Steve or Garrett, you
wanna discuss maybe Gary, you want talk about parallel
construction? Looks like OHS.
You can't do it audio cut. Jump it.
Steve take. It, I mean it's it's sort of
like where you you know the outcome already to begin with
and they're going to build the case to to get the answers in
another way so that they can work around that proper process
and say well we didn't use the information that you gave us
against us, but we were able to get it and ascertain it through
different sources or go we can still bring those charges.
Yeah, just a short version of it.
Baker. If if we were to do it, you tell
me like, yeah, I saw this thing and I did this thing and this is
what was going on. And they go, OK, we're not gonna
use it against you. Then they go find the person in
the room who was there and they go, yeah, I saw Steve, and he
was in this place and he did this thing.
And they go, yeah, we had independent source tell us that
you did this thing and that's why we're gonna come after you.
It's it's a dirty trick. It can be done in the
intelligence sphere as well. You can use national security
tools that are classified. And rather than declassify them,
I go and I threaten your buddy and I go, look, I'd really hate
to have to prosecute you, and I know you did this stuff.
Would you like to be my informant?
And tell me about this thing that Baker did?
And they go like, oh, yeah, I do.
I don't want to. I don't want to deal with that
problem. And so then they go and they
build it on source reporting instead of using a classified
technique. It's an ugly ability to do that,
and I'm guessing you're gonna find out pretty soon what that
looks like on their end. Yeah, well, it's it's actually a
I wouldn't have known what you called it in the Bureau, but
it's actually exactly the same thing that I did with Harry Dunn
is because he met with me for four hours privately, just me
and him, and it was an off the record.
I have never said a word about what he told me on the record in
the press or any of these interviews or podcasts.
I I have kept my word in that regard, but obviously I used
very much what he told me to continue my investigation.
Yeah. Somebody tells you where the
bodies buried. You go find somebody else to
point you on the map where it is too, and exactly go.
Is this where the bodies buried? I already know where it is.
And they go, well, yeah, that's where.
How do you know? So.
Projecting because you just told me.
That you're anticipating, because I know the FBI said,
like, well, you just have to surrender and find out what
we're going to charge you with. I know we've talked about it
that they're they're intimating that you apparently had better
intelligence than the entire FBI did, knew that a quote unquote
insurrection was going to happen and ergo travel across state
lines in order to record it so that you could profit off of it.
But as ridiculous as that is, I still think that the, I think
standing on the bench you alluded to that that was
something that really they got very interested in when you
described that to them. Is that still on the table?
Because I think that might be my favourite federal charge that's
ever been lobbied out there. Yeah, I mean, who who knew that
if you actually stand on a park bench and a, you know, federal
park to take a photo of an elk walking by or something like
that to get a better vantage point, that's actually a federal
crime. I know that now because I've
read the statute, because when I was first threatened with
prosecution back in November of 21, they told me they actually
gave my attorney two of the actual statutes in an email.
So I have this email. I have it.
It's this is not exaggeration. The first one was, is that they
were actually going to charge me with property damage, and I'm
thinking to myself, property damage.
I didn't break a window. I didn't.
Break. Listen, This is why we joined
the FBI. I actually feel shorted that I
never got to charge anybody was standing on a park bench.
But that's why I actually joined.
When I carried the tearing the tag off the pillow like I wanted
that. 1. That's what we all signed up to
really do. Everything else was secondary
and we got let down. They have gone back, you know,
through NSA resources or whatever.
They're going to learn how many tags I have torn off the pillow
and mattress. So here's.
The thing you hear that section? Unlike.
Yeah, Because we got, we got our FBI listeners, other than some
people just take the tag and they throw it away.
I know that you're the kind of guy that you actually put them
in your file and you have, you have like a baseball card binder
of all the tags you're talking about.
Your friend, right. Not me.
Yeah. Yeah.
Not that organised. You wouldn't be that organised.
That's a step friend move. People don't know he has an
accounting degree. That's there you go.
So now. It's stealth accountant.
It was very interesting because in my interview which finally
took place in October of 21, one of the things that when we I was
describing my path through the day and all of that is I
actually said the words I said yeah.
And at one point we were you know was in the crypt or
whatever. I don't even remember if I
remembered what room I was in at the time but my recounting to
the the two agents there. But I said I, you know, at one
point I got up on a bench so I could get above the crowd and I
could you know video what they were doing and agent noise goes
you he did he, he went, you stood on the bench said yeah and
immediately this guy. We've been briefed on the bench
situation. Now, could you tell us more
about? That I should you not.
I mean he immediately got right on the pad and I'm.
I look, you know, like looking over at my.
Tell me you laughed at that when that happened, because there's
something really awful about the idea that an FBI agent was
excited about you standing on a bench like I, and it hurts my
heart that that's the case. I.
Couldn't laugh at it. I just.
I just went like, look at my attorney, you know, look at that
look. DOB.
And I could probably talk about this being a street cop.
Like you had those, like, obscure charges in your back
pocket that you would use to deescalate a situation or
something like that, and you just wait for the person to say
the thing you needed to because they didn't know it was a law.
Like, my thing was always like in it was Georgia, right?
So it was like, if you use a profanity in the presence of a
lady, then I can charge you with a city ordinance violation.
And I would do that. For that by the way.
But that sounds like something like this guy Noise has
researched and it was like, can't wait to throw that charge
down because he's so bought in on the January 6th thing.
He was, like, excited for that. Let me tell you what this really
is. Show me the man.
I'll show you the crime. Yeah, that's what this really
is. Like a police state?
Yeah, like a secret police, which we keep, we keep hammering
home on this stuff. How gross is that?
These people, it's pathetic, man.
They're they're pathetic excuses for law enforcement officers and
in what we once called the land of the free.
It's really disheartening, disappointing, angering,
saddening to to know that there's FBI agents of all people
who are out there. Oh, you stood on a park bench.
Gotcha. Yep, Federal, federal offence.
Like, do you have the statute number for that handy?
Because I'm like, what? Where would this even be?
You know, like. But imagine this guys, because
three of us have done this job. Steve, you've been in there, you
know Baker, you've been in there and actually had someone accuse
you of it. But imagine saying, yeah, I
stood up on a bench to get a better vantage and someone
thinking gotcha bitch like that was the thought going through
this guy's head and he's like John it down.
He's like now we got him. We just got to get a video of it
so we could substantiate and and they know roughly where you said
you were and roughly what time it was.
So they can go back and they can parallel construct that to be
like that to be the gotcha moment.
It's so nauseating. Like the gotchas that I wanted
to be was like yeah, I admitted to burning down that entire that
entire National Forest on an Indian Reservation.
Or like yeah, I I defrauded that guy of $10 million.
Like that's the gotcha that I thought we were going into, you
know? I want to ask these for our for
our FBI agent friends who are listening.
Will you go to the park bench that Mister Baker stood on and
scrape all of the gum off from the bottom of the bench and send
it to the lab and get all the DNA back and then charge all
those people for property damage too?
I mean, it's just absolutely pathetic.
It's law fair at its finest. Like, what can we do?
What can we find to just get you, just to get you.
It's. We've talked about this before.
How the FBI, the Justice Department, the Ministry of
Justice, as I like to call them, they're not supposed to be
overly concerned with the outcome.
They are supposed to be concerned with the truth and
with Justice and OHS. You stood on a park bench, What
damage is caused there? And then they're going to sling
that charge like, man, it's just, it's pathetic.
It's it's pathetic excuse for law enforcement and they're not
worth the cost of the tin of the badge that they wear in their
hip. And this is the Damocles sword
they put over your head now for almost three years year or 2 1/2
years where they're you're waiting because they keep
saying, well, we're gonna come for you next week or then we're
gonna wait for a year and a half and then say, well, it's
imminent, you're going to be charged.
Like how many hours of sleep has Steve Baker lost for that?
That is a in itself making the process, the punishment.
And then this most recent notification that you got where
it's like, well, we need you to surrender next week on Tuesday,
and then after hours we're going to call your lawyer.
So you can't call back for clarification from us.
We can't give you what the charge is going to be, but you
don't have to surrender till after Christmas and this will be
for your benefit. We don't wanna ruin your
Christmas when in effect you know it's it's this jerk Noyes
who wanted to be off for Christmas.
So he he facilitated that delay because again, you're again this
this domestic terrorist, obviously because you stood on a
park bench and we need to bring the bring the hammer down on you
from the United States government.
But as a terrorist, we're going to let you travel around for
several more weeks, even though we likely have a warrant in hand
and haven't entered into a system.
I mean, we need to cover down on some of this stuff because I I
I'll put it out there right now. I think Steve Baker should self
surrender on Christmas Day so he can ruin Craig Noise's Christmas
and force him to come to work. I'll second that.
I I'll, I'll all in favour, aye. Tell you what?
Since New Year's works too, just saying.
I've already booked an Airbnb with my children out of town for
that for that day. How this works?
Can we do it New Year's Day? Yeah, you can do it any holiday
all. Federal.
Holiday. I'll fly out to film it.
All here, I mean they're all listening right now.
And you know, I actually I actually just a week ago after
the Thursday call that I got from my attorney when he
received a call from agent Noise that I was going to have to self
surrender that immediately. I got an encrypted message from
my source at DOJ in Washington who told me in a very, very
crypted way. He told me.
He said, look, delete these apps from your phone right now.
You are being listened to. You're being watched.
And of course this, this production that we're on here
right now, I announced that I invited them here today.
So I sent my agent a text last night and invited us, Agent
Noise to be a part of this show today.
If he would allow me to, I'd send him the the sign in, the
log in and you know, maybe we could interview him, but he
can't. We could send him a link, yeah,
just put put your hand in the in the comments.
We'll send you. A link?
No. We could send him a link, but he
couldn't talk to me because I'm represented, you know?
So but he can. He can hang out here and wave.
Yeah, yeah. But the the the point being is
is that I'm I'm I'm being watched.
I'm being listen, I mean that's that's.
Do you want will you talk about the Rico because we're gonna get
further into some of the what that what it feels like to be
watched which I like you and I had a private chat the other day
and and and the the weight of that is more than most people
can appreciate it. There's a couple of J6 type
folks in the in the chat and families of J Sixer.
So they know what we're talking about.
And I know that Garrett and I and Steve have a sense of it in
a in a different way like you know what it means to wake up in
the morning. But the Rico allegation against
you was one of my favourites. That when we first spoke, I
remember you saying that in me going like that was a WTF moment
in my head. Like the question marks came
right out of the top of my head, right.
People could probably see them. They they said they were gonna
use a Rico statute to prosecute you.
Yeah, And this was another one of those moments in my original
FBI interview that I had to look at my attorney and go, what?
Because they asked me, they said.
So how much money have you made off of licencing, selling your
videos? And I looked, I looked at my
attorney, I said, do I have to answer that question?
He said no and I go doesn't matter.
And they go and and and noise went, oh, come on, you know this
round figure, whatever. It's just us girls.
I like that one. I like the Just Us girls
technique. Right, right.
Right. You all have your.
Hair and you're down there, Steve.
Is a root beer float. We're watching movies and just
between us girls, how much money did you make for your video?
You know, just something that I might be able to criminally.
Prosecute you just throw this out there to you guys.
Imagine that HBO, I'm talking about the HBO and they're big
document. They were the first one to come
out with a really significant documentary on January 6th.
I think it came. I think it aired in November of
21 and HBO contacted me directly to licence my videos and they
wanted they identified 12 different clips that they wanted
from my camera, OK And they ended up using I think four of
them in the final production, final edit cut of the
documentary. What would you think, just not
having been involved in anything like that before?
How much do you think the big HBO would pay me for 12 clips?
How many total seconds of video? See, now you see, you know
better. You already know a little bit
about this. It's less than a minute.
I mean, because we're talking about 3 against six second clips
that that kind of thing. Yeah, I I have a an instinct on
it. I don't know, but twelve $1500,
something like that. 10K I was going to say.
I thought $100 million. There's good.
OK. So we've got the prices right
thing going on right now. Right.
You you both went over so and you all went over, it's $700.
Wow, you didn't even get Cash Patel money.
No, I didn't. I didn't get John Sullivan, not
money. I didn't get $90,000 for the,
you know, my video of the shooting of Ashley Babbitt.
But the the point being is that it's it's just not there.
That's a that's an actual industry standard rate you get.
You got it's $1000 a minute and when they get, you know, a dozen
3 second clips, it doesn't even add up to a minute.
So you know, you total it up and that's what it is.
And so nobody's getting rich off of that unless you captured a
moment like the shooting of of Ashley Babbitt.
And even, you know, $90,000 is not getting rich money.
Well, for perspective, the US Attorney's offices won't take
fraud cases if they're under $1 million.
That that's really the key That, and I'm glad Steve jumped in at
first, but yeah, but Gary, you were in a different field
office. We all saw different field
offices. What's the number that you're
United States Attorney would have drawn the line at for like
we're not gonna deal with this amount of money?
Yeah, I think it had to be at least a million because we had
some that, if I remember right, there was like a fraud that came
in. It was like over half a million
and they're like, yeah, you say probably won't take that.
And we sat, you and I sat on Tim Poole show and talked about it
and he talked about $1,000,000 documented fraud and they didn't
pick it up because he's in the DC area and they're they're
closer to 5 million. So it depends on the
jurisdiction. I've I've had fraud cases that,
you know we looked at and there was nothing we were going to do
and it was 50 grand. And you know that was a lot of
money for a small business that runs out of it, $700.00 almost
never, regardless of what the administration would have you
believe is going to make or break your life.
Probably there's very few people that $700.00 is going to be the
difference between. It's particularly if you
actually like our regular guy who has cameras.
I'm guessing your camera was more than $700.00 if you were
using decent. Camera Well, if you have a Venmo
account and you earn more than $600 knowing your Venmo account,
you know you're you're a target of the federal government.
So that's right. That's how we that's how we take
down the billionaires, though, Mr. Baker.
Right. Yeah, that's what they say.
Because they're all using Venmo to throw a bunch of money back
and forth. What they're really interested
in is like TikTok girls and whoever's on twitch, like in the
bathtub. But luckily we're in a very
serious country at a very serious time.
So Rico charges. That was that's where we were
going with this. So, so he's, he's asking me
these questions about and in reality by November of 21 I had
made give or take 100 bucks either side of $1500 total from
the licencing of live videos. OK, so it's a little bit more
than that two years later, but barely a little bit more than
that. And the I mean again feverishly
notes on this he's he's writing this down.
So when we finally get the email from US Attorney Anita Eve out
of Philadelphia or when I say my my attorney did and she she said
in her November 17th email to my attorney that his client me was
going to be charged within the week.
Then she included the two statutes under which they
expected to charge me. Now, originally Agent Noise and
Agent Doss told me that after the interview that should
anything happen, it's not, it's not in their hands.
But if if the if the Department of Justice does in fact decide
to file charges against you, it's probably just going to be
the four basic misdemeanours that everybody else is getting
charged with. You know, the glorified
trespassing charge, the parading charge, blah, blah, blah.
And and so when we get the two statutes by which they were
going to charge me the property destruction for having Stand on
stood on the bench, the other one was the most confounding one
because as soon as you go to that federal statute, the title
of it is Interstate racketeering.
Mob laws. And and and of course as soon,
and this is what my attorney said, he he goes, he goes, I'm
reading this and I'm like, I can't wrap my head around this.
But he said, I'm telling you it's the Interstate racketeering
statute. And I went, what in the hell are
they talking about? And he goes before we even, you
know, get too deep into trying to figure this out, let me call
her. And so he gets either on the
phone or had an email exchange and she said no, yes, that's
that's exactly what it is. Your attorney couldn't wrap
their head around it because no person with a reasonable brain
can wrap their head around it. And this just goes again, like I
think of when I was a brand new law enforcement officer.
I was a cop before I was an FBI agent.
My police chief used to always say you don't have to be right,
you just have to be reasonable. And that has always stood with
me. And it should for anybody in
long. It should for any human who just
lives, like, just be reasonable. You don't have to be in law
enforcement. It should be a better act,
principle of law enforcement. But that's why your attorney
couldn't grasp that, you know, get their mind around it because
it's completely unreasonable, just like the standing on the
park bench one. And you know, as we talk and
listen to you today, I'm thinking of these agents who are
interviewing you and I'm thinking of the type of people
I've encountered in law enforcement.
And I just wonder what your takeaway is.
Are these true believers? Are these the types who don't
care, they just are doing what they can to rise through the
ranks? Or are they the type who just
want to keep their boss off their back and know that having
a case some casework is a good way to do that?
A mix of some of those, because oftentimes I think of even just
as an agent in Wichita where I was, even my boss would say
like, we're not, we're not playing this game, we're not
doing this charade with all of these Jay 6 cases.
Like, yeah, if we get a lead, we will do our due diligence to run
it to ground. But it it just seems like it's
just completely overboard, especially with your case.
You're a journalist, You didn't enter anything, you didn't
actually damage any property, and now it's Interstate
racketeering. Like, I just, I have a hard time
understanding who these people are, these agents, these law
enforcement officers who've sworn oath to the Constitution.
I just I just don't get how they can go on doing this type of
thing. I will tell you if I gave a
quick read on the body language of these two agents.
When I sat down with them for two hours and this was my read,
I felt like that Agent DOS did not want to be there.
I felt like he was embarrassed by the process.
And he should be. So that's that's good to hear.
But he needs to. He needs to step up then and or
walk away. Sorry, I just.
I'm just stuff just gets me. Really fired up.
The best part about this Baker is watching Garrett just Stew
over there. This is Garrett's nature.
He's kind of brooding in that way.
He's, I think he's got a long fuse, but it's always burning
kind of thing. I feel very similarly, but we're
just watching that. Like, I know how frustrated it
is because these are our former colleagues are people that we
theoretically would trust our life with and you can't even
trust them to do the right thing.
And something small like saying I'm not going to investigate
this by the way some people did do the right thing.
A small number of people just said this is bullshit and I'm
I'm calling what it is. And the answer is you might lose
your supervisory position. You might get put on a penalty
box. Like they didn't lose their
jobs, even they didn't even lose their paycheck over it, you
know. And so for them to just to go
along with it that they're gonna charge Rico.
And if you'll permit me one little kind of moment of
editorial because this actually ties my entire week of shows
together. For those of you guys who have
not seen, we talked to Douglas Mackie.
You're familiar with this case, obviously.
Gentleman Doug Mackey was indicted.
He had a complaints worn out two days after Joe Biden took office
by a DOJ that was basically chomping at the bit to do
something that they couldn't do while Trump was president.
And they did. And it was related not to the
2020 election and this was in 2021, obviously.
It was to the 2016 election and happened in 2015 and 2016.
So they waited a long cold five years to be able to bring
charges in a complaint format, which is for accident
circumstances, not for a a threat that has been, you know,
well investigated. You'd go to a grand jury
normally. So that's really weird.
But what they did is they went after novel process, novel
charges. It's the same thing we just saw
in Colorado, the novel attempt to apply laws.
And it's the same thing that we're hearing, which you exposed
to me for the first time about this Rico statute.
It's a novel application of the law.
And one of the things that we talked about the first time, UH
Baker, the first time that we talked, you said that it was I
think the most successful government messaging programme
kind of SIOP or or a propaganda tool that's ever been done.
And moreover, it's also been an incredible testing ground for
novel applications of the law, both jurisdictional and
statutory. They're playing with all these
different laws to see how badly can we bend the judiciary.
If in that instance, can you kind of reflect on your
experience of it because. I think we're, I think we're
seeing as you as you're part of a much broader trend if if, if
we're being honest about it. Well, the the entire January 6
issue is a much broader trend and this is where the envelopes
are being pushed on on all sides by the Department of Justice.
FBI is because they are. They just like COVID.
They are seeing what they can get by with and and they're
doing this in case after case. It doesn't matter if it's the
grandma who went in through the Rotunda for 10 minutes and took
a couple selfies or if it's Stuart Purge.
It doesn't matter. They're they're pushing the
envelope on every single case and and and between my
interviews and your interviews that you've the J6 you've
interviewed, we could spend hours and hours just breaking
down each of these cases and the anomalies thereof.
But let's just start with the fact that I OK, this was largely
an off the record meeting that I had a couple of weeks ago with
the Attorney General's office in Florida.
I I'm going to be very careful about what I'm going to say.
But I think I can. I think I can say this is when I
gave those staffers with the Attorney General's office the
specific incidences of a couple of those envelope pushing
activities in the state of Florida, they they were not
aware of by the way, which is mind boggling to me.
But when I did to watch their eyebrows go up and then watch
them lean forward in the room. The same move that that Noah has
had when you told him you're standing on a park.
Bench exactly, but for completely different reasons.
I mean, isn't that amazing though How few people that are
theoretically paid to know that we like you and I and and
Garrett and Steve like we live, we eat, we breathe this stuff,
this is our every day. Doesn't matter if it's J6.
It's all the stories, some more myopic than others, and yet the
the absolute ignorance. And I don't say that in like
that condescending way. It's just like people are
straight up ignorant. They do not know all of the
things that are being done. And many people cannot see the
broader trend, which is what I just expressed novel
interpretation, jurisdictional pushing, you know, weaponizing
of the judiciary. It's happening on every single
thing. They they literally are the
opposite of what it's what progressives do, actually.
Progressives basically try to take ground everywhere they can,
and they're doing it in every single way that it comes up.
It doesn't matter if it's Trump or if it's you or anything else.
This is the conversation that that Kyle and I were texting to
each other this morning. As this is the The Dark Night.
We're gonna have another movie reference here for the Amrad
Podcast. This is the Joker from The Dark
Knight. I just do things.
Everybody has plans, but I'm just gonna do things.
And I'm gonna count on the fact that most people are too
addicted to their comfort and lazy and dumb to do anything
about it. I mean, they just assume that if
you were acting that you must know what you're doing and
therefore it's fine, or they're just can't be confronted with
being inconvenienced to step up against it.
Which is what the other side has done to everybody with January
6th. I mean, they're charging with
tax fraud crimes, they're tax crimes for January 6th, and
there's now they're finally pushing back at the Supreme
Court level on it. But how many?
It's over 300 people have been convicted of this crime.
Yeah, yeah. And this is, this is what this
is what's happening. And it it.
And look, I'm talking to three of you right now.
Ever. Ever.
In your previous life, with your previous girlfriend.
Did you ever swat a misdemeanour?
Never. Never.
I mean if if we had a misdemeanour or even come in, we
we had at most just kick it local, you know, like we
wouldn't, Why would you spend the time and effort on that?
You're the FBI. Like.
It just doesn't make. Sense for you is.
My question for you is, is what is the reason for this to be
happening on Moss? Because it's happening over and
over and over again. They're still continuing to do
that. I always forget this guy's name
because he has such a difficult to pronounce last name.
But the guy a couple of weeks ago from Daily Wire, The actor
who? Does Siaka Massaquoi?
Massaquoi, thank you and so. Again, Mr Normalising something
that's not normal. And and they they go in and
scoop him up in force at the airport.
They let him. They let him fly.
They got a war, a warrant for his arrest.
Yeah. Two weeks before they arrested
him via complaint, which is for exigent circumstances.
And then they allowed him to fly.
So theoretically he's a domestic terrorist and you let him fly
and then you met him at the airport in forest when you know
he's unarmed because he was, you know, on an aeroplane.
Right. Right.
It's it's the new boogeyman for the FBI is kind of how I've been
been putting it. So if you go back in time for
the FBI's history, let's go to January 1st, 1920.
That's when the Palmer Raids occurred.
The FBI were. They weren't even the FBI then,
but they were. That was the Bureau of
Investigation. That was her first.
That was her first pre makeover. But they.
Were the heavy arm of rounding up all the communists and other
dissidents. And none of these people had any
due process. And many of them were deported
because of the Red Scare. And then Fast forward a little
bit further. Let's just go to after Pearl
Harbour, the FBI again the heavy hand and rounding up Japanese
immigrants and Japanese Americans and sticking them in
internment camps. Fast forward a little bit more
Civil rights movement. The FBI was the heavy hand in
telling Martin Luther King junior to kill himself.
This is the same FBI. It exists today.
Fast forward a little bit more. It was militias, Waco type
things, Ruby Ridge in the 90s and then 911 happens and it was
Muslim Americans or immigrants and Islamic extremism and that's
when the toolbox was opened and now that toolbox is being turned
against you and anybody of any us, anybody of any conservative
bent and J6 is is the the primary event that they can
point to and say see look at all the terrorism that happened.
Even though they're using misdemeanour, you know, charges
of standing on a park bench or these IRS laws or tax laws that
they're using. It's it's lawfare, it's finest.
Kyle talked about how this is what progressives do.
Absolutely 100%. I'm thinking about all of the
statutes around the statues. The statue is not statutes
around the country that are getting torn down.
They they are rewriting everything.
They're rewriting history, the rewriting America, and this is
part of it. They're rewriting the law and
the Constitution as we know it. The Constitution we learn about
in college before we were FBI agents and the constitutional
law classes we had as FBI agents.
It's it's not going to exist. It's it's well on its way to
being shredded and tattered. We're we're already well down
that road and it's I think it's only going to get worse.
I just talked to Tommy Robinson yesterday on Twitter.
We did like a Twitter space. He popped in there.
Some of you guys may know who Tommy Robinson is, but he's
pushed back against a lot of the like is Islamization of of Great
Britain and he's gotten self into a bunch of messes.
And of course, just like Doug Mackey he's been referred to as
a neo fascist and a white nationalist and some other kind
of nasty things had hit plenty of hit pieces written about him
as a human being. Seems like a pretty nice guy.
People that know him think very highly of him.
So it just kind of depends on which which newspaper you read,
how you feel about the guy. But he said the the playbook,
you know, he explained it in very long form and it's the same
thing that we've all been saying.
And Baker, you've been experiencing it and Steve and I
have named it and I know Garrett has experience as well.
The process is the punishment. It literally just because it's
going to be made right if you stick around long enough and go
to gaol and actually get, you know, vindicated.
There's a bunch of people who have had their lives absolutely
ruined over this stuff, which I know you've reported on plenty.
And we've talked to some of them.
They have had their faith in the American system absolutely
devastated. You know, you're sitting on
here, there's two of us that are that are military veterans and
we would never tell our children to serve in this military.
Not because we think that the idea of serving the people of
the United States is bad, but because the government that is
now representing those people is doing evil shit over and over
and over again. They are absolutely abusing the
trust of the American people that they were entrusted with.
And they're doing it a lot of times just because of
complacency. And then the sad thing is the
people that we think, no, whether it's the attorney
general down in Florida, which we'll get right back into, I
know we're gonna get there. But also people that are
investigating, like the people that we think should know the
story. You're like, well, those people
are obviously gonna come save us, like they're paying
attention to what's going on. It doesn't matter if you're
talking about the investigators for all the big cases, the big
think tanks. We constantly are sharing
stories and a year later they've never heard of them.
The people that are paid to be able to pay attention to this,
it doesn't matter if it's a good organisations like Heritage
Foundation have never heard of some of the stuff that Steve and
I and Garrett have brought forward that you have been doing
on January 6th. They've never heard it because
and with his limited and people are just hoping it goes away so
they can go back to the status quo of I guess locking up people
paraded around in the capital. You want to keep going with the
Attorney general meeting just like the ignorance of it is so
shocking to me. It's it's mind blowing.
It really is. Well, I'll use this mass choir
event. I'll segue back into the
Attorney General meeting. But the point being is that he
when he was arrested and it was reported the next morning, the
first words out of my mouth that morning were, Oh my God, I'm
next. Did you say it that politely or
was it was it more? No, I I, I yeah, yeah, it was.
It was a couple of other letters and expletives in between.
But there it is. We got the beep ready.
But, but I realised that, OK, they have reached a point.
Now remember I said earlier, they're pushing the envelope,
pushing what can we get by with? What can we get by with in this
national siop that we are? Because look, the overreaching
and override and most important story of January 6th, believe it
or not, is not Brian Sitnik, the officer dying the next day of a
stroke. It's not actually Babbitt being
shot that day, although the tragedy that it was, it is not
even the 1200 and something people that have been arrested
and charged so far. The overriding story of January
6 is that they are using this because of that narrative
capture that we talked about the first time we had a
conversation. You and I, Kyle, this largest
narrative capture in the history of our country and they are
using this to push the envelope and see what they can get by
with. And it is an extension of COVID.
It is an extension of the election.
And I'm gonna say something. That's gonna alright, this is
this is it. Here we go.
Everybody's gonna get the Twitter verse is gonna go nuts
now, especially this edition. Hunters are going to use this
against me. Hell, it may even show up in my
trial. What I'm about to say?
I'm excited about that. Then you.
Ready. OK, as you know, even though I
am not, I am the I am the antithesis of a pro Putin pro
Russian person. I worked against the Russian
regime for years. I am as anti communist as
anybody could possibly be. I'm as anti Putin as anybody
could possibly be, but as a result of my January 6 research
studies investigations, I had the opportunity to sit down and
interview the actual, UM, head of Russian television in DC.
So the actual field producer, head of head of their operation.
And I'm not talking about art, I'm talking about actual Toss
Russian Television, their investigative and news service
that was operating out of DC. So I had to set opportunity to
sit down and and talk with him. And he told me very specifically
and his, you know, very heavy Russian accent, that the
election, COVID, January 6, they're all related.
And what he meant by that was, and now obviously you don't get
to be the guy at the top of Toss News Agency operating in DC
unless you're wearing two hats. Do you understand what I'm
saying by? That let me flush that out less
you have to because I worked CI. I worked counterintelligence
folks and when you work for state affiliated media if you
are not actually receiving a W2 style paycheck from an
intelligence service then your buddy is an intelligence officer
on a regular basis we'd be what we call a Co opt D which means
you operate on behalf of and you are a you are a a documented
Nexus to the intelligence service and and and a formal
relationship. There is only one way you get to
do that in areas like that whether it be China or whether
it be Russia. There's other You know, North
Korea is probably completely captured there.
Probably just the same hat. The hat is the one hat, but
there's 100% chance that this person has a massive overlap, if
not the entire circle on the Venn diagram with Russian
intelligence. Yeah.
And and because there are propaganda organisation, that's
what. They do.
My my. My understanding of that was
clear long before I ever met. With him I'm sure and what's
funny is that Matt Taibbi talks about this stuff too and you
know he's he also spent time in Russia and has a very similar
like if you don't anybody who's done this sort of thing no this
is not you were not uninitiated to this type of operation I'm.
Sure, so. But but as he began to explain
to me the interconnectivity, the point is, is he knows more than
the average person knows about what is happening behind the
scenes. And so I know as I talk about
this narrative win, which was, you know, you know, Pelosi's
famous phrase on the 1st anniversary, January 6th, when
she first entered, at the very first of her many commemorative
events that she oversaw that week, she said that the purpose
of this week and these events were, and this is a quote, to
establish and preserve the narrative of January 6.
It's almost like the the alcohol got to our brain and she said
the truth, that was a Freudian type slip, it feels.
Like she repeated that phrase several times that week.
And so the narrative that was 1 is what has been allowing them
to push these envelopes to get by with this.
And when I realised that they went after Massaquoi and they
got him and they were able to do it in such a high profile way.
As you rightly pointed out Steve is that you know a guy that they
know beyond any shadow of a doubt was not armed at the time
because he just got on plane and and and to arrest him where they
did in such a public place. I said to myself, OK, whatever
limitations they had before whatever we had done previous
with my previous press offensive back in November and December of
21 which I think successfully backed them off then because
when they told me that I would be charged within a week then we
launched a press offensive right there and then I am in my mind.
I thought, OK, even though my personal profile is much, I mean
like infinitely larger. Now working with Blaze and and
with the the stories that I had been releasing, I said to myself
when he was arrested, OK, I'm next because they don't care.
They know now where they could get by with.
It's two things though I think Steve, cause I think we should
be really, I think we should be fair minded about the way that
they approach this. It's it's a lot like a novice
general that doesn't understand how to run their troops.
You know, everybody trained during peacetime, but they've
never gone to war. And so they were like, oh, we'll
just, we'll just grab Baker, we'll grab these people, grab
all these things. We're gonna throw all our
threats out. We're gonna get our battle plan.
It meets first contact. The first thing that happens is
you got big and loud immediately.
And you did that to the point where they were like, oh, we
actually can't engage on this offensive right now.
We're gonna have to put that. We're gonna table that one.
And now they've got an army that's been blooded.
It's gone out there. It's got a bunch of kills, it's
got a bunch of captures, it's got a bunch of successes and
it's got a bunch of notches on its belt that have showed
success. And also more importantly, and I
think this is the biggest piece of it, they've normalised these
tactics to the point where the American people have not
rebelled. It's not like when the FBI shows
up at 6:00 AM for a search warrant on somebody that was,
you know, all the neighbours knew he was at January 6.
But he's a really nice guy and he's the teeball coach.
And you know, he was showing his videos on Facebook and all he
did was March around and, you know, took some pictures and
selfie and he brought home a brochure.
That guy got swatted, and nobody stopped the motorcade from
leaving. They let it happen, which is
what you'd expect to happen in America, because we
theoretically still have this nominal belief that there's
constitutional law. And because they've gotten to
the point where America hasn't reacted as in a single voice and
said, stop this shit, and I keep I'm sorry.
My dad tells me to stop swearing on these things.
He listens to every single one of my shows.
But there's no other way to talk about this stuff without being
outraged just a little bit. And if you're not outraged
folks, then that's part of the that's part of what they're
going for. That's the win.
It turns out that actually is the win.
That's the the victory that allows this kind of steady,
progressive chipping away at it. And it keeps going.
So regardless of how big your your your profile is, we've
stepped to the point where we've seen in action they've they've
got victories under their belt and now they think they can take
on a Steve Baker. Even if Steve Baker is bigger
than the old Steve Baker. That that's where I fear is
really going on, the normalisation of it and the
inaction has begotten more inaction.
That's what inertia is. It's either tendency to stay at
rest or the tendency to stay in motion.
The American people are at rest right now.
They've been quelled in their their uprisings, except, you
know, like if you love Hamas or some.
You know, the one question that I want to ask agent Craig Noy
is, is simply this. And he's listening.
So I'll ask you this right now, Craig, would you rather be doing
what you're doing right now in terms of building a case against
me for standing on a bench inside the crypt of the capital?
Are would you rather be going after people that are actually
doing damage to this country that are actually harming our
citizens who are actually doing violence?
I mean, even if it's a January 6 case, you've spent 2 1/2 years
on me for what reason? And how many cases this guy
carrying? I mean, he's in an RA, so maybe
he's got 20 cases if he's really an overachiever.
No, he's JDF man. No, not a chance.
It's single digits. Well, or everybody has 20 cases
between the whole JTF? Yes, well, you know.
Mostly you're just going out and knocking on doors that are like,
you know, threat to life stuff, you know?
Our Intel is our Intel owned noise is is that he came out of
the Charlotte field office he had I think I forget how many
years he had there but he's got he's at somewhere between 16 and
18 years total with the Bureau right now.
He's keeping his head down. I'm holding hands.
I've been told that he's a good guy and that the the, the agent
who gave me the Intel on him actually said these words that
they're surprised that he's doing what he's doing right now
he's doing. What he's told.
That he moved to Raleigh with his family for better quality of
life. Get out of Charlotte and and it
was an easier gig in much lower crime rate in Raleigh than it is
in Charlotte. And so yeah, so.
So I ask you, Greg, why are you doing this?
There's conversations that were going on, at least in my office,
where they were getting on call calls from Washington and these
cases were being delayed. And they said, yeah, we don't we
we don't know what we're gonna do on this one yet.
Let's just go back through the code book and see if we can't
find more charges to tack on this person because they know
how weak the cases are, especially for a case like
yours. So I imagine your case is
something like that which is why it's taking so long because they
just they keep delaying it because they know it's going to
be inconvenient. And they're just going to go
back through that code book and see if they can find something
like the park bench crime or or something to that effect so that
they can avoid having to deal with you.
Saying, well, I I didn't violate any of the the provisions that
you're alleging that I did because they know that you're
you're gonna be a squealer. You're gonna want you're gonna
be one that's gonna make them actually have to work for it.
Whereas most people are just going to plead guilty get get
beyond it and and then they can just get another victory in the
win column and then move on to the next one.
And nobody is willing to just, you know, I'm sure your attorney
is probably like this. I mean he's he's like the Tom
Cruise character from A few good men.
He walks in like, Were you absent the day they taught law
at law school? At least Conlaw, right?
By the way, I'm going to be 10/7 for a second and I hear Garrett
with a deep, deep sigh, which means that Garrett has some
strong feelings that are that are welling up.
I can. I can feel Garrett's feelings
welling up. So anyway, I'm 10/7 for a
second. Alright, yeah, I'm Steve.
You just nailed it about these agents and whoever else.
AUSA I'm sure can be involved sometimes going through the
codebook and just coming up with whatever extra things they can
tack on. And it's it's great timing
because we have only one Debbie Lee.
She threw up a few rumble rants to to get us all to kind of
respond to that very thing. In her first one, she says those
of us charged with felony 1512, which is tampering with a
witness, victim or informant. She says we live this nightmare
24/7. What is the panel opinion on the
1512 case before SCOTUS, which for those of you don't know is
Supreme Court of the United States, will we prevail?
And so I was engaging with her a little bit in the chat and she
says the USA literally said the government view of Miss Lee's
case has evolved, no new evidence.
And so as far as the the Supreme Court case regarding this topic,
I was not aware of it. So I'm going to dig into that a
little bit. Will you prevail?
I sure hope so. But you never know these days
with even the Supreme Court in my view, you know, Steve Baker
has been talking about how this is all connected, starting with
COVID and then moving the needle forward more and more with, you
know, restrictions and whether you're, you know, a mandatory
employee or not. And leading up into January 6th,
I won't hold my breath. I think the three branches of
government, they're not as Co equal as we've been led to
believe our whole lives. The legislative branch, they
don't seem interested in doing much.
The judicial branch, I mean we'll see I guess what happens
with this case, but I don't know it seems like the executive
branch because that's what the FBI and DOJ, where they come
from, seems like they are the ones really with the reins of
government because honestly who's going to stop the FBI from
doing whatever they want? Who's going to stop the USA, the
DOJ, from doing whatever they want with coming up with
whatever law they can to say, OK, we're gonna charge you with
this now and then, Deb Lee, as you mentioned, you're heading
into your misdemeanour case and now they throw this felony at
you. And it just in my mind, it just
goes to show more of these agent noise types who they're willing
to sacrifice you for themselves. They're willing to sacrifice
whatever it takes. They're willing to sacrifice
their conscience. I've heard of Put This Way by a
former colleague of mine in the FBI.
It was something like the perpetual persecution of
personal principles for like your paycheck, your pension and
your promotion. And I think in a lot of ways
that really is what it is. You know, Steve was talking
about Noah is moving to Raleigh for a better, better quality of
life. He may have that better quality
of life in his day-to-day business, but then he's working
cases like this to just try to get something to stick because
he was told to. And it it makes me think of our
trip to the Holocaust Memorial Museum.
For those of you who who follow us, you know, we talk about that
a lot and maybe some of you think it's getting old.
I hope not, But it it is a very poignant trip.
And there's a reason they send every FBI employee to the
Holocaust Memorial Museum. And it's so we don't forget the
sins of the past. We don't forget what humans are
capable of and then includes humans in law enforcement, I
would say. Especially humans in those
positions of power like that need to be cognizant and
reminded of what humans have done to each other throughout
history. And if we don't start turning
these things back now like it's a it's a dangerous era.
I know I've said it before. It's 1933 Germany, and in the
early 30s in Germany there was massive law enforcement reform.
You had to be a Nazi, a a member of the Nazi party to be in law
enforcement then, and no one then thought, oh, it's gonna end
in us murdering people. But Fast forward to July of 1942
and this tale of the ordinary men, the reserve police
battalion. And that's precisely what they
were doing. But in the 30s, it was OK.
I'm not really. I'm not really a Nazi.
But, you know, I gotta get my pension and I'm.
I'm 10 years away, so I Yeah. OK, fine.
I guess I'll just sign on to the Nazi party because I can't lose
my job. I I couldn't fathom that.
I've got mouths to feed in a mortgage to pay.
Yeah. Yeah, we all do.
That doesn't mean you sacrifice what is right.
It doesn't mean you sacrifice what is good.
It doesn't mean you sacrifice what is holy.
Doesn't mean you sacrifice your oath so you can get that
biweekly paycheck every two weeks.
Well, that's redundant. But, you know, do you guys want
to? Respond to that the way the
connectivity between COVID, the 2020 election in January 6 and
we piece together what is the most important connective tissue
and that is their attack against speech on every single count.
And this is what the establishment and the
preservation of the narrative and why it's so important to the
progressives because they threw are throwing a wet blanket over
the 1st Amendment right Now with regards to all three of those,
as you know we just start with COVID if we oppose the regime in
any way, shape or form. Now when when COVID came to town
I was 60 years old, I weighed 165 lbs.
I was even at my age I knew that this was, you know something
that the the the shot and all of that.
I didn't need it. I I was healthy.
I had seen the numbers. I had run the math before,
before the the before we ever knew that the infected fatality
rate was less than 1%. I had already run the math using
basic 5th grade long division and had determined that it was
somewhere around 1/4 of a percent and that was as an
average against across all age groups and all health groups as
well. I knew that the elderly, the
people with four or five, eight comorbidities were most
vulnerable and that was ratcheting the numbers up.
But even at 60 years old, it wasn't effect.
It was not going to affect me or extremely minimal.
It while though that everybody who who looked at it and said I
am basically a sceptic and I think that's your position
that's that would be that investigator sort of background
you got if you're a sceptic and someone tells you, look we have
all the data on something that we've never had this kind of
fast data on before in history and we're going to show you a
live death count on CNN and on Fox News and on MSNBC and ABC
and all and all the rest. And you go, how in the world are
they calculating these numbers like these numbers look like the
national debt which we can actually do because there's an
algorithm and because those numbers are fixed and
normalised. How in the actual hell are they
telling you that people are dying when we get that
information in real life, two years in arrears, Anybody who's
ever done death statistics, who's ever worked in EMS, who's
ever worked in public safety, who's ever read a newspaper and
been like, oh, the numbers for 2022 aren't out yet.
But based on the most recent numbers of homicides in Chicago,
which was 2021, you know, we know that the finalised number
are still 18 months old. That's just way that's how
numbers work because reporting takes time.
And they were giving you apparently like actual real
time. There was like, apparently a
bunch of people from the government that were like,
monitoring people and, like, he's dead.
That's good. OK, yeah, he's also dead.
Let's go. And they were running numbers
like like this. We know that's not real.
It was just, it was so obviously full of crap right up front.
And then how funny is it your RT connection or your your Russian
television connection, your your, your spook that you're
talking to in the United States? Congratulations on this schedule
G. Yes.
I investigation. That totally justifies an
intelligence investigation. We all have those now, so it
doesn't matter. I'm sure you had one beforehand,
but the idea is, is that COVID messaging victory, public,
public thrust into the the sphere where they are actually
changing the way that the system works.
They're changing the source code.
Steve thinks it's the most overrated movie in the world.
But the Matrix, let's do a movie reference in the Matrix.
When they did the change of the code in the Matrix, that's when
you got the deja vu, right? Like that was something that was
big when I was in high school. They changed the code of the
Matrix. That's when you saw the cat
glitch and it goes by twice. And they changed it for COVID.
They changed it for the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.
They moved the goalpost on that. They changed it about what's
going on with January fix all these things and all of them
also interestingly enough tied into the biggest government
involvement in censorship that's ever happened, at least in our
awareness with the Twitter file unveiling and all the other
stuff that Taibbi and Shellenberger have been showing.
All of these stories were related and they all are
happening at the same time. Government weaponization,
censorship and the government getting involved in First
Amendment protected liberties. You know, public health being
weaponized against people and the messaging campaign that's
coming from all of them. And the fact that the media is
complicit in which you know, let's be real, the media has
always had versions of itself and parts of itself that were
captured. But the idea that all of these
were working in concert to deprive liberty is the
antithesis of what I think. This is why you're so scary,
Steve Baker. This is why people are scared of
you because you're doing the blue collar work of journalism.
It's why people are scared of real independent journalism.
Because if you're not subject to a big corporation that needs a
bunch of government handouts, then you're truly untethered to
do investigations. Which is kind of what we thought
the I was doing. But we know that they're not.
How scary is it? That's all sows up into this
nice neat purse of America is kind of screwed right now.
We're gonna have to fight our way out of this bag.
The good news is the enemies in all directions.
Literally all you gotta do is swing and you're going to hit
the bad guys because they're they're surrounding us So it
makes it easy. We got them right where we want
them there in all directions, everywhere we shoot.
I mean. People are reference.
At the end of the day, would would Special Agent Craig Noyes
rather be investigating need for standing on a Bench?
Or would he rather be investigating corruption at the
Capital Police that's tied to representatives in the House,
which is then tied to? What if?
The worst What if?
The worst Camera 100. Percent No, no, no, no.
What if the worst is true? OK, let's speculate on this just
to for a minute. What if he doesn't care?
Yeah. And that, that, that.
That's what we like, throw guard up here.
Because I think like that's the thing that I've arrived at.
What if it? What if it's six of one half
dozen the other and it as long as they get my paycheck, I'll
just do whatever. You tell me, what if that's the?
Case I think that's most. I think that's where most are
at. And they may even sometimes
think, man, sorry, Steve Baker, you know, in their heart of
hearts, but who comes first? The self.
The vast majority of people on earth put self before everybody
else. They don't have this.
I think people in law enforcement, especially in the
FBI, you're a leader. Whether you want to be or not.
You're in the FBI. You're an FBI agent and.
They make movies about there, like you're a real person and
they make movies about people that are supposed to be like
you, even if they're fake and and.
Garbage. Most interesting person in every
room you walk into. Like for me, I guess Steve and I
have talked about this on on Amrad and you guys know right.
Where am I gonna go? I'm going to go to Christ.
Shortly before he was crucified, what did he do?
He washed his disciples feet as an act of true servant
leadership. We don't see that from the FBI.
We don't see that from the DOJ. We don't see that from the White
House. We don't see that from the
leaders in this country. They will put themselves 1st.
Every time. I think of my time in the Army,
my the best leaders I had were the ones who would get down and
dirty in the muck with us. They were the ones who would do
the thing that they asked you to do.
The best of the best were the ones who would do the harder
thing and not even ask you to do it.
And we just, by and large, we don't see that.
We just don't have it. And whether it's Agent Noyes or
a countless other people in the FBI or the government writ
large, we can point to and say you, you don't deserve the
position you're in. You're forsaking your oath every
day and it's just, it's just a shame, man.
Like, yeah, I'm brooding. I'm gonna mute myself.
And bring some more. I was, I'm reminded the the the
time that he's got in apparently from what your Intel is telling
you, it's it's really consistent with the advice that I got from
a very senior agent when I was in Indian country where you're
fully assigned that 25 cases. I mean I was carrying like 40
and it was it the ebbs and flows go out there where you could
just be going up 1000 miles an hour at all times and things
just always reach a crescendo at all all your cases at the same
time. It's just that the nature of the
work out there. And I was at one of those places
and it was pretty early in my career and I was like super
stressed out. And he just comes up to me.
He goes, Hey Steve, you know what?
The winner of the pie eating contest gets another π and
because he wasn't working more cases than he had.
Is that not the most, like, federal thing you could ever
hear? It's it's like, hey, I used to
tell people this too. And and Baker, this is worth
knowing. When you look at these guys
across the table from you, there's no bonus for convicting
Steve Baker. There's no bonus for an
indictment. He's already got his dream post.
If he's on his dream sheet and got to move to the place that he
wanted to retire from, there's no bonus for for showing up and
working harder on things that you know are illegal, immoral,
unethical or just downright make you feel gross.
You can slow play that you're a fed you get 15 years in other
than like my buddy Phil you're never gonna get cancelled for
doing your job. Your your energy you bring to it
is your energy. And so the idea that like a pie
eating contest or the idea that you would just you know, I would
rather find the truth and I'd rather find exculpatory
information which is what you've been doing in your investigative
work which is you know apparently outside of the
purview the government is looking for wins.
The government is supposed to actually win when the process
works and the and the outcome of it is irrelevant.
The idea that we've got all these USA's who are looking to
notch their belts so maybe they can go be great defence
attorneys somewhere make a bunch of money like I don't know what
they're doing. I don't get it.
But if you bring something to an you saying by the way this is a
shitty case and here's why. And I found this exculpatory
information, and we have to disclose it.
So why would we even happening left and right?
And it should have been like, you know, close for bandwidth,
close for any reason you want. There's a bunch of
administrative codes we can close investigations on.
But like, my proudest moment as an FBI agent was literally
finding exculpatory evidence. And that's kind of silly.
It was closing a case that was brought to me by an AUSA about a
guy who was listed on the sex offender registry.
We thought he was doing something that he wasn't my
investigation, which was not a tonne of work, but I had to go
and get some files unsealed and some court records that were 15
years old. And when we did, it was very
apparent that the thing that we thought was happening was not
happening and there was no reason to continue.
And we shut it down. I have that was in.
I have hand delivered if the Department of Justice was truly.
Interested in justice and not what you said.
Notches in their gun belts. Hmm.
I have hand delivered them on a silver platter with a linen
napkin. The evidence of corruption and a
government agency and the evidence of perjury in their
courtroom if they were. Interested in justice wouldn't.
They be interested in that? Wouldn't they want to be
screaming bloody murder? How did that get past us?
How did these guys get on the stand?
First of all, neither one of them should have even been
allowed to be there because of their disciplinary files, which
we are going to be showing the world very shortly.
I I want to, I want to cover this like long form, actually
want to bring up the letter and some of the stuff that we're
gonna talk about there. I also want to show another
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sort of the ugly things that are happening out there in the
world, Man, it can scare you. And you can hedge against that
by having some opportunities to do it.
Let's play one of those videos. I made you download them, Ryan,
if you would. I wanna throw.
We played, I think the bowl experience.
We play video. Yeah, let's play #2.
Because folks, if you're a Bowie fan, China Girl is probably on
your list. This is a fan video that was
made. We found this on YouTube.
And this is Steve Baker, the man you've been hearing about having
the FBI come after him. I just kind of like painting the
picture. This is a guy who made his
living on stage for most of his life.
And as he's done this transition like so many like me and Garrett
and Steve have, all of us have sort of had this transition that
happened in January 6 was one of those marquee moments where we
went from being W2 employees to being now self paid, self
employed, doing this kind of a thing.
In Baker's case, he's going the other way.
He's actually now on the payroll of the Blaze, but this used to
be his gig routine. He used to go do stuff like this
and he's, you know, he's pretty talented.
Let's play video #2. Get excited.
China Girl. Shut your.
Mouth, she said. Right Glass butt hole back.
Playing. The Moonlight Lahey guys, If you
don't love Bowie, if you're not a Bowie fan, then you can't.
Appreciate how fun that is, but it's.
Really amusing to me to see it. When he told me he had a Bowie
tribute act the other day, I was like, you gotta be kidding.
It's called the American Bowie Experience.
You guys can go find some of those on YouTube and check out
the other facet a little bit. A little bit more fun, probably
a more fun time, and definitely maybe not the same amount of
rewarding. But the the gravity there of
keeping a an audience enjoying their night is a little
different than what we're doing right here, where we're just
exposing malfeasance left and right.
And so I just wanted you guys to have a little taste of it.
Like I said it, every person, every one of you out there has
more than one little facet of your story.
And it's worth noting that these January 6 people, all the folks
that have been accused of it, like they basically had their
entire lives boiled down to like a few minutes.
You know, that could be measured literally in minutes.
And now they are crypto fascists or their their crypto fascists
or their white nationalists and all the other horrible things
have been against them. You know, they had a whole
history behind them and I know that Steve's whole life was
doing a bunch of wild stuff. You've heard a little bit of it.
It's just worth pointing this out that, you know, we're all
more than one thing. We all live sort of in a shade
of grey. I don't think anybody is a
totally black or a white actor, even even even of Vladimir Putin
probably has some people that love him and probably does some
nice things every once in a while or you know, pets a dog
and and feeds it a treat. So just it, it's worth knowing
that there's a little bit more to all these stories, but we're
going to talk about perjury. We're going to talk about sort
of the things that he's unveiled here that should be the focus, I
think, of DOJ investigations. And it turns out that they're
not interested in that. They're pushing the narrative,
the Nancy Pelosi narrative, and they're pushing some stuff.
Are we going to go into Harry Dunn?
Is that where you want to go with this, Mr. Baker?
Well, now that I'm 10/8 from my coffee break, head eight,
everybody. By the way, that got like a lot
in the chat. That people were like, what's
the 10 seven like what's going on there, 10 codes?
I I missed the clip. Which clip did you show?
We did China Girl. And let's dance OHK OK.
Which is great, by the way. That's a.
That's a you you got like. A little bit more bass in your.
Voice, I think, than Bowie did. Yeah, yeah, maybe so a little
bit. Do you smoke on stage when you
do that, by the way? Are you?
Smoking on some of them or is that?
Theatrical. Smoking.
It's just theatrical. But you know, I care, but I was,
I was told by one of my. Favourite People in the World
Frederick Owens He was a Broadway actor was in the
original Smokey Joe's. He's dead.
Oh gosh, oh Jesus Christ Superstar.
He was in the movie with Will Smith.
Hutch or Hitch or whatever. You know the dog.
And so so he he used to play keyboards in my band several
years ago and big tall gorgeous black man and and and he's got
that big. That's how I describe my tall
black friends. I called them gorgeous.
They love that. Right.
So he's got that. Rich deep you know low voice and
and he told. Me that when he was doing voice
over work up in New York that James Earl Jones.
He actually was in the studio with him one day and and James
Earl Jones told him he said no. Every time before you go in and
do voice work he says you go outside, you smoke a Newport
first, he gives you that gives you that extra edge.
I hope they were doing that on the set of Conan which I just
watched the other day. Some clips from you know it's
going like. Man, that guy has done some wild
stuff. James Earl Jones Russia Anaemia
is See them driven before you Are we gonna?
Do that in this country. Is that we?
Are we swinging back where it's just gonna get like a barbarian?
Style. You think?
I don't. Know guys It may.
I'll have the hair for it at least.
Yeah, you will. You will indeed.
All right, Mr. Baker, we've got a.
Couple of different articles of I got the letter from Harry
Dunn, which I. Think is sort of an indicator of
some of the stuff to come. Do you want to do you want to
talk that or did you have a different mindset?
Because I'm willing to follow your lead right now.
Let's go with the letter. Let's start there.
We'll work backwards from that one.
So Ryan, we got topic #3 was the.
Actual letter that you tweeted out.
Maybe you could set it up for us.
Tell us a little bit about what. This letter is and and we'll
read it and we can talk about why it's important.
I think it's all kind of relevant, yeah.
Obviously when you start, when you start pulling back the
layers on these investigations, you find out that.
There's more skeletons in people's closets than you
initially anticipated, and one of the things that we stumbled
upon was a disciplinary action related to Harry Dunn for a
letter that he sent out anonymously on Capitol Police
letterhead back in May of 21. So this was just only you know 4
1/2 months or so after January 6 and which he was he took a very
are this letter. It was anonymous.
So it's not him. Yeah.
And I wanna, I wanna take this
slowly. But what you just said because
that's that's old news to you and that's the.
Thing you eat and breathe. But yeah for the audience let's
let's let's let's break it down just a tiny bit.
A letter went out on Capitol Police letterhead that was not
signed by any individual. It was signed it.
It was signed as proud members of the United States Capitol
Police which we'll we'll talk about the irregularities of that
in just a second I'm sure. But the letter, and if you'll
let me just kind of read that kind of the highlights.
We, the members of of the United States Capitol Police, write
this letter to express our profound disappointment with the
recent comments in both chambers.
They go on to basically say that the Republicans are not taking
care of them. The brave men and women of the
Capitol Police were subjected to hours and hours of physical
trauma. It's led to months and of mental
anguish. That's all pretty emotional.
If you look around the Capitol, things are still broken, blah,
blah, blah. They go on.
They're forced to work with every single day that they, you
know, reminders of that dreadful day and the worst thing ever
happened. They expect an investigation to
get to the bottom of everyone and hold them accountable, 100%
accountable. Which tells me, I don't know.
When you see some people's writing style, you understand
their level of education which is not very highly required at
Capitol Police. For whatever that's worth.
High school GED is both acceptable And then it said
last. Lastly, with each passing week
and the new revelation about January it's 6th itself, a new
indictment comes to light. Another newsreel of of USCP
police officers being assaulted and release goes on on.
It's unfortunate that our quote unquote bosses, parenthetically
Congress, are not held to the same standards that we, the US
Capitol Police are. And then it's signed again,
proud members of the United States Capitol Police.
Let's talk about what it is and the irregularities of it.
Now you guys have seen the letter.
It's on Steve's Twitter feed. Definitely worth reading it
yourself if you like. Yeah.
The irregularity begins with the fact that it was, first of all,
anonymous. And on Capitol Police
letterhead, therefore ostensibly representing the Capital,
please. And a highly politically
partisan message sent out, which of course the Capital Police, by
policy you're supposed to be 100% nonpartisan.
They work for both parties. They are the security guards for
both the Democrats and and Republicans.
So that that's the way that they're supposed to act.
Not only that, they are also federal officers, which means
what else? There is a Hatch Act involved
here. So I read the Hatch Act again
because I had people reach out to me, including Bill Shipley
and the Hatch Act. Doesn't actually apply to anyone
outside the executive. You know what?
That's that's exactly. But apparently this is what I
learned because I was just. On the actually the day that I
was received, my most subsequent or recent threat from the
federal government is that after that that was sitting at table
in one of the Congressional office buildings with several
staff members including Huh, high ranking capital police
officials. I'll just say that fair enough.
Calling my name current not retired and also table full of
lawyers and these are all federal lawyers.
They all said absolutely because I said the same thing.
I said hatch Act does not apply to capital police and including
every one of them said no as a matter of fact because of
subsequent rulings. You know how they bureaucratic
administrative addendums, things like that.
So we don't see it in the act itself, but it has then since
then been more broadly applied outside of everybody other than
just the executive branch. Well, I'd be shocked if it
didn't apply to, you know, employees in the same way, but I
would. I would guess that's by.
Policy and not by the Hatch Act specifically.
Like Hatch Act style policies must apply.
They would have to because otherwise you couldn't work
there. Then yes, within within the
handbook, within the rulebook. It does apply to capital police
officers. Yeah, that.
Cheques out. OK, fair enough.
All right. So we've got that kind of like
you said, I think there's a little bit of nuance on there.
It's not obviously in the original act, but the idea that
you would not have a nonpartisan clause to your public speech is
sort of outside the range of anybody's beliefs.
So this was the interesting development of this letter,
though this was the result. Of the fact that there was some,
a handful of GOP lawmakers who did not want to see the
formation of this House Select Committee by Pelosi.
And as a result of that, there was some political, you know,
wranglings that were taking place.
And so Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, who we all
know, who became a prominent member of that committee, yes,
he's a member of the Crips. I think yes.
Yes, that's that's that's the one who also happens to be.
Officer Harry Dunn's. Congressman Harry lives in his
district there in in Maryland and so he encourages.
We learned subsequently to this actually had been the one behind
the crafting of this letter. So he encouraged Harry to to
draught this letter and Harry being not quite the Road Scholar
or the literary, you know, guy, that that he might be portrayed
as having now just published a book.
He would. It would it be fair that he was
like some of my buddies that got academic scholarships to play
football? For for college.
I know there's a nuance in that. Did we just lose Steve?
Did you just freeze up? Might have just lost him.
He'll come back in. Harry Dunn, if you guys are not
familiar with it, he's a capital is a.
At least a. Former capital police officer
now just resigned just a couple of days ago but is I don't know
6-5 or something like that and over 300 lbs and kind of an
interesting character as far as he's not exactly what you would
you would look at and think like this is a.
Scholar. Now I've been surprised.
By big guys before there's plenty of big people in the
world that could write. That's not to say they wouldn't.
Guerrero Boyle is a fantastic writer, in fact has a sub stack
right here and is very thoughtful and is, you know,
approaching a Harry Dunn size. But Gerardo Boyle also cares
about what comes out of his mouth and what his thoughts are
and would never be a political actor.
So maybe it's a piece of character and it's a piece of
capabilities married together. They found it very, what do they
call it in in Zoolander, an empty vessel where they were
able to fill him with. Go ahead, Steve.
I know you've just been given this like this.
I don't even know special. Privilege as a cap of police
officer. Where like he can.
Talk to the media and they've given him like multiple medals
of valour. He's gotten to basically the
media glamour as he's gone out and it's it's a PR tour for for
the book and it's a book he obviously didn't write.
And I I want to know what what this resignation.
He obviously resigned before retirement age.
Right. So he didn't officially retire.
What what what's the deal he got?
I mean he's he's not gonna be a paid he's not gonna get the FBI
Barbie treatment, right. They're not going to have him on
CNN as a contributor. Right.
Well, I was gonna get like the the university police chief job,
but. They're, they're.
Finding a spot for him to land, to try to move him off the acts
and we can forget about him. And because I don't think that
he's going to be paying for his his retirement with the the
proceeds of a book, The book sales are not that good.
I saw you disappeared. He's not back all the way.
In yet, Kyle. One second.
Yeah, OK. We're still bringing you back.
I don't know if the audio is there yet, just.
Give it one second. Ryan's gonna bring you in.
Go ahead and keep going Steve with your though.
I just want to know what the deal he cut to get that
resignation. I think that there's obviously.
Something's afoot where they they realise that what Steve
Bakers brought out is going to go very badly for him, be it in
court room testimony or just be it in bad PR thrown at him.
They need to move him off the axe.
So I think it'll be interesting to see what sort of plum deal he
gets for himself. Is it going to be private
security? Is it going to be, like I said,
like campus police where there's obviously his skill sets going
to transfer over because he can just direct people to go to the
bathroom as he's patrolling around us as some sort of like,
deputy chief or something? Yeah.
Do you think he wants to move out to California and work for
Yogananda? I mean, it's obviously gonna be.
Similar, similar living standard, that is.
In the DC, right, the cost of. Living.
He'd probably make that happen, but I just know that the book
proceeds. The book market in general is
not doing well enough that he's going to be able to do the, you
know, I pulled down $1,000,000 of royalties from my book.
Well, I think the old story too that we used to see is that
people would just go and somebody would buy 500,000
copies of your books and put. It in their warehouse and they
just hand it out to all their employees or like it just sits
on a stack in their in their, you know, office warehouse.
They don't care about it. So there's always a way to to
make money happen through book deals.
Mr. Baker, welcome back. Thanks for what happened to your
denial. How are you tonight?
I have never seen a session terminated as immediately and.
Aggressively as that one was, it was very strange saying true
things. Man, what are you doing?
Well, in fact in fact it actually when I tried to log
back in, get denied. Even me using.
That browser. I had to switch browsers in
order to log back in, but anyway that that had never happened.
But the point being, I think what I think what I was saying
is that is that under the encouragement of Jamie Raskin
and because done not being the literary star that he might
otherwise be, if you thought, you know, being a a published
author, now he actually went to the Capital press room and
recruited in his own words, several female representatives
of the press pool there at the capital to help him put this
letter together. So this was that look like you
go in there and you go, hey ladies, who knows how to write
in English? Yes, exactly something I need.
Help with Word. I'm looking for somebody who
knows what a period is. How many words?
Per minute you type. I heard ladies.
Know about that? Are they used in writing?
Let's do this. Alright, sorry we have to be
like. So, so he he he successfully
recruited any number of. Female press.
Did he just pick them up by their collar and walked off?
He's a big, big dude guy 6, seven, 350.
Pounds 6-7. I I sold him short at six.
Five. Yeah, that's a big.
Dude. And so that.
Was on May 19th that evening he? After getting this successfully
composed, scrambled around, he used for hard copies, He used
capital police printing machines or, you know, copy machines,
which of course are all logged, you know.
And then he also used his capital police email.
He's not a smart guy. He uses capital police email to
send out electronic copies of this.
He then hand delivered copies to Jamie Raskin's Chief of staff.
And then she delivered that to all the other chiefs of staff in
Congress. And then the the mainstream
press pool ladies, they dutifully not only protected his
identity, his anonymity, but then they wrote the stories that
came out the next morning on May 20th.
Well, because he used like this, Did they do this when they did
it? Do you know what the best, the
best move is, Steve? You you've got some familiarity
with this? I know the boys will see this
as. Well, but like sometimes when
you have a a source, and when when you write about the source,
even though they are not specifically like a confidential
source, you'll put after them in parentheses.
Protect identity. So you would be like when I got
this message from Garrett O'boyle, protect identity.
You know, this and this and that.
And so theoretically when you're supposed to write it up, they're
supposed to say, well, I got this message and, you know,
blah, blah, blah, like from a source.
And there's there's someone who's who's quoting it is
actually supposed to use the word source.
And even though you told the name because you're supposed to
disclose it but then you'll get these like releases that'll be
like you could just imagine this if Harry Dunn's name was if they
wrote, hey, you know we got this letter from from Anonymous
capital. You know Capital police officer
Harry Dunn. Protect identity.
That's what I wish I would have seen.
That's that's almost the level of writing that you would see
here. You could.
Actually see them making. Those, those like dragging,
those knuckle dragging scars across the pavement as he
continued to write this. It's very heavy handed.
It's very silly looking. The only, the only of the press
people that he. Named in his disciplinary
investigation was Whitney Wild of CNN.
She's there. She's their actual law
enforcement beat rider and and so he didn't name any of the
others in fact he refused to name them and his disciplinary
action our our investigation rather.
And so he named of course Jamie Raskin.
He named Jamie Raskin's chief of staff.
He named Whitney Wilde CNN. And then on the 21st or just two
days after he crafted this letter, the capital police.
It didn't, it didn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out
who did this. And they drug him and began the
OPR, the investigation on him. And it was during this process
that they decided to bury the entire thing, despite the
massive, I mean multiple infractions.
He committed here using capital police resources, capital police
time. Capital police put this on duty.
Yes, exactly. So in uniform.
I mean, he walks in uniform. Into the press pool.
Says I need help writing this. I mean, it's like holding a gun,
you know, effectively that's walking in and saying, you know,
I've got a gun on you. I need you to craft this letter
for me because you're in uniform at the time.
And he was able to stay, you know, paid on duty while he was
being investigated. Whereas other people were, you
know, suspended without pay and indefinitely suspended.
Worse than that, he was. Finally it was covered up.
Obviously somebody. Important.
Probably Raskin, I I'm, I'm only speculating there, probably
intervened on his behalf. The interesting of the other
interesting thing about that was that in May of 21, the acting
chief of police at the time was none other than Yogananda
Pittman, who had been the assistant chief of police on
January 6th and in charge of that massive intelligence
failure that we keep talking about.
Whether purposeful or accidental or just pure incompetence, she
nevertheless sat on that throne this time.
She was also the one in the command centre that day, as I
talked about that was doing the rope dope and watching
everything from 1700 cameras as it developed and allowing it to
take place. So this is the person who then
ultimately passed down the ruling on this and he was not.
Well this is this is. I guess I am revealing something
here. I'm not.
You know what the hell let's let's more breaking more
breaking news for you. I like what the Hell's and just
just send it. Yes, this is what I'm here for.
His. His disciplinary.
Review panel actually voted. To convict or as they say in
their terminology, to sustain his actions are the ruling they
voted to sustain. And then that went up to the
Capital Police Board, which of course included the not only.
Well, the the powers that be that intervened were of course
the chief counsel, which is his name is Tad Debias.
Then there was of course, obviously Yogananda Pittman, who
was the acting chief at the time.
Obviously there was Jamie Raskin, surely and most
certainly intervened at the time and it was overruled.
So they voted not to sustain and it was the sustained ruling by
the disciplinary review panel was overruled.
And then he was subsequently only given what they call a 534
warning. Alright, that's basically this.
Don't do that again, Harry. That was it.
That was your medal of valour? He was, yeah.
He was treated so improperly. And obviously we can we can read
between. The lines because.
He was such a critical. Part of the narrative and
constructing and maintaining and defending the narrative.
I want you to just tell my you guys cause I'm I'm telling I'm
talking to run in the background.
He's got a hard stop in a few minutes here.
So we're we're coming up on the the deadline of where we've got
a role. We've been doing this for a
while and I appreciate all of it.
I think. I think even just this let me
let me tease this out. Steve you agreed that you would
go I'm going to be guest hosting the Dinesh Dsouza podcast at the
end of the year in the next week and you said you'll come on with
me. I think we'll talk about the
emotional aspect of being under threat of government.
I think that actually falls into the sort of the purview of the
police say a little bit. So folks, if you want to see
more Steve Baker, I want to want to tease that out there, there
and I don't want to come up on the hard stop with us doing it
unceremoniously. So at least giving you guys a
kind of a, we're hitting the brakes just a little bit as we
come into this. But this letter is, is almost
tip of the iceberg. That's what you're doing over at
Blaze right now. Unless I misunderstood like
you've been dealing with this full time and they're going to
actually make you broaden up a little.
Because I know you can write about more than just this, but
there's so much here. You could actually spend your
whole life doing this, I think. Yeah, I mean, one, it was
interesting when I got the call 2 days ago from my editor in
chief, Matt Fitter. Peterson and he was made me this
offer which just completely look talking about the emotional
aspect of this right here. As you can imagine at any other
company you could almost forgive them if they if I got the call
from Peterson and he said hey man, just want to let you know
that we love you over here. You've done great work and but
you know with this legal thing going on too hot you know you go
soon. Look we wish you the best.
We're praying for you As soon as this resolve come back and
you've got a home here at the Blade.
They could have easily gone that way.
Instead they have gone. I mean they had me the next day
on Glenn Beck's programme. They had me on two other of
their host programmes right away.
I mean within two days they had me, They were writing articles.
They had their other writers writing articles about me.
Peterson himself wrote an article entitled Free Steve
Baker. I'm not even locked up yet and
it's Free Steve Baker and and then completely unexpected
because I'm, I'm a contributor and I am compensated, you know,
word count the other kickers, things like that.
But the point being is that is that to have him call me on
Tuesday and say, hey, just want to let you know that we want to
make you a full time offer, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera and
we're going to bring you on full time as an investigative journal
rather than going the other way. It was very emotional moment for
me on the positive side because I had every reason to expect an
opposite reaction from Blaze Media that just shows me what
kind of people they are and that they are behind me in this
process. So that that being said, what I
have been doing for them and what I have been doing in the
two years prior to my association with the Blaze, I've
been this is, look guys, this is all out of my pocket.
You know that $1500 I make for licencing my videos, that's, you
know, that's nothing compared to what I've spent out of my own
pocket the last three years investigating, travelling,
researching, interviewing, driving up to DC over and over
and over again. Hotels Ubers the the expense of
just being there is outrageous as you know and all of that was
coming out of my pocket up until my association with the Blaze
and and yet I felt that it was important enough for the for the
America to know what was really going on behind the scenes as it
related to January 6th and the cover ups that were taking place
that I was willing to do that and and it was some really good
friends up in DC that I've I've been coming so associated with
since that event who recognised the value of what I was doing.
I was sharing them my behind the scenes results of the work, the
sourcing, all of that that ultimately made them reach out
to the Blaze and said hey, you need to talk to this guy.
He's on, he's on to something. So that's how that's how all of
that kind of came, came together in a brief overview, but let's
let's just say this about the Blaze then, because every
company has the potential to avoid.
Scrutiny and to avoid conflict and to avoid litigation, which
is always a possibility as well. And that's more common than not
in this day. I think many of us know the
instinct to just hope it blows over and to to turn the it's
like well, you know it's a good story but it's also a liability
for us. And I would suggest my listening
audience if you're sitting here hearing this and you go, OK,
when people choose to do the right thing for the right
reason, which is what we're talking about here, that's
that's what we call the suspendable.
That's what we're all about. We got to get you in.
I got your address. I'll send it to you.
You're going to get one of the limited edition black ones which
is the people who have really earned it who's gone out there
and shown something in public. And and the Blaze is doing it
too. While someone to Glenn Beck you
know like good for him for stepping in the gap and saying
we could have turned our back but we've decided to do is use
our power for good. We have our microphone and we're
turning it all the way towards you instead of turning it away
and and turning our back and hoping it works out for you.
So you know, I think that's it shows us that this fight is not
lost. I don't want people to be
blackballed and that's one of the that's one of the great
instances of of of a of a white pill moment or a red pill moment
if you will, where people are looking like, hey it's not over
here we're we're at halftime at best, right.
Right. No, it's not over.
And and and and here's the The thing is that I I pray.
Every morning let this cup pass from me and I'm talking about
specifically the this this legal challenge that I have this
gauntlet that I'm gonna probably have to go through unless we get
some sort of last minute reprieve and they just look at
this and go and the the the new AUSA who has been assigned to my
case he looks at it after reviewing everything because I
just don't want to deal with this guy right.
You know and this and this happened two years ago because
the original AUSA contacted my attorney and and when we went
when we went on a full blown Press of offensive then with a
huge press release and she got a copy of it.
She emailed unable to copy on the same day it went out to my
attorney and said what is this We're not happy with this blah
blah blah. He said my attorney responds and
said are you suggesting that my client get forgo his First
Amendment privileges while he's being persecuted by the federal
government. She said Oh no that's not what
I'm suggesting. I'm just saying a federal judge
at some point may not look at this very well To which I said
that's a load of crap she doesn't care judge doesn't care
And and then when they got on the phone with each other
between the two of them. The AUSA asked my attorney, she
goes, he he's not planning on going to trial with this, is he?
Because, you know, the racketeering charge was to scare
me into a quick plea deal. Of course.
Quick then notch in their belts, yeah.
Or or suicide, like in the case of Matthew Perna.
Yeah, because that's because that's just that.
Method. Well, the suicides, even less
paperwork. For them, so the but one of the.
But but that's what they expected and so he she says your
clients not planning on going to trial with this is he and my
attorney goes do you have you ever read the shit he writes And
and that was his response And he he's a good libertarian too by
the way and that's my Raleigh attorney And so and so fast
forwarding two years. I I'm now associated with much
larger bullhorn. So I don't know I don't know if
they're if they're past the point of caring now because of
what they have as we talked about what they have gotten by
with for the last three years four years really And and if
they're past that point and they're going to go to the mat
with me. Well we're going to go to the
mat with them. We already have six attorneys on
my team now we could show up we could ride into town.
Whenever my trial takes place if it takes place with as many as
10 or 12 attorney sitting at my table with me in the gallery.
I'm going to have the O Jays dream team and we're going to
have our if if the glove don't fit, you must Acquit moment.
It's all it's going to happen and they're going to have to
deal with it and they're going to have to work for this and
this new AUSA. He may be looking at this right
now going, God Dang it, do I want to deal with this?
I don't know. You got FAFO on this.
This the case. You got her surrender on New
Year's? You gotta, you gotta say you had
an active arrest warrant. You didn't put it into NCIC.
You didn't think that I would get pulled over in a traffic
stop between now and then or what?
I thought that was a domestic terrorist.
Wait, you you said that I should surrender myself, and you didn't
have an active arrest warrant for it.
I mean, the the questions that your attorneys could put in
front of a FBI agent or any, frankly, US Attorney's office
here, it's just riddled. There's there's a lot there that
you could do, especially for as much as you're being exposing
everything that's going on here, how they've weaponized the
process about it. Like, here's what I think
happened. This guy, they found a new US US
Attorney is going to take it. He wanted to take Christmas off.
He wants to get New Years off. So he had to scrap the plan for
you to surrender yourself because he was gonna have a a
conflict there. He was probably going out of
town and doesn't want the new guy to get credit for his
arrest. But all this this paperwork here
is you can use your advantage and just say like FFO man.
I'm taking it all the way up, putting you through a decision
for your chips on every single hand because I know you don't
got it. And make sure your lawyers get
the date and time stamp of if and when these warrants were
ever entered. Because.
I'm sure the FBI trolls who are listening are now scrambling to
be like, but we didn't do it and these guys know that we're
supposed to, uh, we better do it and get it done.
Yes. Well this is this is the most
current update on my situation so.
On a Thursday of. Last week when we could go,
today was when I got the the the message from my attorney that
Agent Noise had contacted him and that in fact they were
expecting me to self surrender this past two or two days ago on
Tuesday and then on Friday after hours.
So he waited till after 5:00 Eastern Time to call my attorney
back and Agent Noyes now told my attorney that they have decided
to postpone my self surrender date until sometime after
Christmas, no date specified. And then that was when he was
also informed of the new AUSA assigned to my case and so that
was all we had and and then he called him back at my urging to
find out can you tell me what the damn charges are And he
specifically said Agent Noi is that he doesn't know.
He really doesn't know because until a judge or magistrate
actually signs off on the warrant, he won't know what
those charges are. Yeah, how about take it to a
grand jury? Assholes Like, how about you?
How could you surrender if they haven't already gotten a process
to charge you yet? How much TBI agent if you don't
know the charges? That you're allegedly
investigating. Give me a break, dude, It gets.
Worse and worse. Man, it gets worse from here.
So now, finally on Tuesday, one of my.
New attorneys on the team actually has a conversation with
the brand new AUSA. Adam Dryer originally out of
Michigan, failed candidate for state senatorial seat back in
2018 and now he's relocating, relocated to DC to handle these,
you know these trial party. Yeah, so.
So he finally gets on the phone with him, has a conversation.
And. In that conversation, he asks
him what the charges are going to be.
The AUSA denies him that information and specifically
says I'm not going to tell you because we know that your client
will immediately go public with it and that's what it's all.
That's literally what it's all about right here.
God forbid there's government transparency when it.
Comes to criminal charges and that's why we're doing this.
So look folks, we're running up on a hard stop up here.
Only cause I know Ryan's gotta get.
Some other stuff done. I've totally enjoyed just kind
of cutting it back and forth. We've gone as much free form as
we can do and we're going to do it more and we're going to do it
again. And obviously, Steve, anytime
you want to come back now, you're gonna have to ask your
handlers over at the Blaze. Hopefully they'll allow you to
come and chat with us the way that Steve handlers have led us
too. I hope you will be able to come
and chat with us more and we will continue to expose it.
You can always come here in any store you write with them will
come and talk about it as well. But thank you for joining us.
Thanks for the Amras. Thanks for being part of the
whole thing, making this a a joint interview.
Let me start plugging some things.
First of all, want to plug Steve Bakers Twitter so people can see
it. That's where his stories are
going to be able to be seen. That's where you guys can follow
his work. We throw that up on there.
There it is. It's TPC.
Just remember the pragmatic Constitutionalist TPC 4 USA.
Apparently you're you're pro town.
Your proteins are beef and Beaver.
We'll talk about that another time.
That's why every time I see that, I I think I should ask you
about it. But I'm not gonna do it.
I'm gonna just let everyone wonder what it is.
They can. They can follow you on Twitter
and find out. That should be the way it goes.
Closing thoughts, Steve Friend? Ohhhhh.
I just remind everybody we're gonna be running the show.
On the Amrad podcast Rumble. Channel.
So if if you missed the beginning of it, you wanna get
it there, then you can. And I also, if you want the
audio, we are now streaming on iTunes, iheart, Spotify, all the
audio versions of it. So thanks everybody for sticking
with us for this marathon. But yeah, you can group together
another round of the chat there. Garrett, any closing thoughts?
And I'll give the last one to Steve.
Yeah, I think this. Goes for all of us Proverbs 29
right at the end of the chapter. Many seek the face of a ruler,
but it is from the Lord that a man gets justice and unjust.
Man is an abomination to the righteous, but one whose way is
straight is an abomination to the wicked.
So I just want to thank all of you, Kyle, Steve and Steve for
being an abomination to the wicked and letting me take along
on this journey. This would not be a Garrido boil
appearance if we did not have a scriptural quote.
So I I feel like I have gotten the piece that I required.
Mr. Baker, you have any final thoughts on there?
And I look forward to talking to you again on Dinesh's podcast
too. Look, Garrett, Steve, Kyle.
All I can tell you is that I am honoured.
Humbled and blessed to be associated with you guys, to be
an honorary suspendable and thank you for what you have
meant to meant to my life over, especially over the last year.
And I think there's going to be a lot more turf for us to cover
and to work together on going forward.
Who? Yeah.
And Merry Christmas to you, Mr.
Baker and gentlemen. I will see you guys again soon,
Steve. Friend and Gerald Boyle and we
will talk to Steve on the Danish podcast next week.
Guys, I'll give you guys the update on there.
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So all of that, let's do one five star view and let's close
this sucker out. I know we've been long time on
it and so I want to just thank our five star reviews that come
in all the time on the Apple podcast.
This is articulate, honest and thorough.
Written by Casey Shell. Thanks to Dan Bongino.
I tuned in for the first time. Kyle, your articulate, honest
and thorough, which is why I continue your first hand
experiences add to the credibility necessary to keep us
engaged and too often in disbelief.
Your time and hard work put into your podcast must appreciate it
by this Midwesterner. Guys, we're going to cover all
of your rumble rants. I've screenshotted them.
We'll cover them all tomorrow. I want to thank you guys all for
contributing on this on this long marathon and for showing
the support for me and the guys, including Mr. Baker.
He's not honorary suspendable. He's a real suspendable.
God bless all of you guys. Merry Christmas to the families
of these guys and we'll see you again tomorrow morning.
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