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I've called January 6, the American Rorschach test.
What do you think about that as an image?
Well, it's very interesting that you say that I've never I've
never thought about it in that light or in those terms before.
But it's interesting because if you hold that that Rorschach
image up and you show it to somebody on this side, they're
going to see it one way. You hold it to somebody on this
site, they see the exact same photo the exact same video, the
exact same image and entirely different light.
And and then of course, you have the extreme Eames on those two
ends. Who really see it differently?
I read entire tweet threads today.
Just today of people that believe that I need to be in
Guantanamo and being waterboarded for the rest of my
life just because I carried a capital inside.
I'm in a camera inside the Capitol building, right?
And these are people that theoretically five years ago
would have fought vigorously that somebody could have a First
Amendment right to report on. Let's say the Trump
Administration they hated and they should have carried a
hidden. Hammer into the into the Oval
Office and things like that. Right.
Exactly. So these are the same people
that ostensibly are interested in Liberty.
And instead we're just seeing just bleeped and tribalism 11
sees the, you know, two ducks kissing and the other one sees
like to garden, gnomes, high-fiving.
I don't know. I just, I feel like you.
Hold up January 6 to anybody and we find out what you think
about, almost everything else because of how you respond to
that video, how you respond to the whole situation, and all the
things we know and what you do and what you don't know.
That's the real thing. There's a lot of like, willful
ignorance, It's on both sides by the way.
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Want to credit like you saw somebody, take a spear in the
face and have his cheek explode with blood.
I've never seen a but that sounds like that would be, that
would get my blood boiling because I spent, you know, six
plus years in law enforcement and I spent time as a medic
responding to law enforcement getting involved in things and
you know, law enforcement of my people especially people that
are getting beaten up. I just I despise bullies.
Anyone's gonna throw a spear at a guy doing his job or a woman
doing this job like your that's, you know, take him to jail.
That's fine with me. And I think you probably feel
the same way about it because nobody wants to see that and you
also don't want to see Grandma, who's walking around taking
brochures inside the red velvet ropes inside the capitol because
somebody open the doors whether they were allowed to or not that
lady doesn't need to go to jail. Yeah.
And you don't need to see anybody who is what I call The
Accidental Tourist being swatted at 6:00 in the morning and their
underwear in the middle of the winter.
That's right. That doesn't need to be happened
and it's like I said on Tucker's show Tuesday night I said I've
lived for the last 15 months. Wondering if I'm going to see
those red dots coming through my bedroom window.
That's right. Every single morning at 6:00
first, thought and you know, that's the name.
I'm gonna serve the warrants. Yeah.
Because that's where I served the warrant and so I don't I
don't have I don't have a particular belief.
I have my attorney and myself have had this discussion, many
many, many times over the last several months over over a year
now. Every few weeks, I say to him,
don't you think it's time? We ought to give Miss ausa Anita
Eve a call. And just see if they've maybe
decided not to move forward with me or are maybe a, my just at
the bottom of the pile because they know I wasn't violent.
So they're going to get all the other, the real ne'er-do-wells
out of the way first, and he's always, oh no, no, we're not
calling them. We're never ever calling them.
I agree that we're not going to And then and then you're going
to love this one. And I actually I actually said
this to Steve friend when I interviewed him on my podcasts.
I actually said I just have this desire to contact agent Doss.
The one who I Knew by Body Language didn't want to be in
that room and I just want to take him out for a cup of
coffee. I can tell him it's on off the
record on my side. I know nothing is ever off the
record on their side but that's fine, I'm totally fine with that
but I would just love to have a Conversation with him and my
attorney and Steve friend both went.
Oh no don't do that. Don't do that.
Okay. All right, I have the same
instincts that you do and here's and that's the reason why people
talk to the FBI for what is worth.
The instinct is some of it. Is what do they know?
And what can I find from them? That's that's a big Instinct but
the other one is I'm a good person.
I didn't do anything wrong. I'm going to go set the record
straight and even, especially even people that you've seen
that indicate that they probably have a sympathetic View.
To what your what happened to you and what you believe, and
what you saw and probably believe the same way the danger
in the FBI right now is. And I'm gonna have you reflect
on it in one second but the danger is that a lot of people
that would otherwise be ideologically sympathetic and
are looking for fairness have been told in no uncertain terms.
Get the covid shot. Stop talking about your religion
in any way, shape, or form. And you don't give me objections
and shut your mouth and color like they tell the Marines to
do, sit down and color, shut up and color, do your job.
And if that means going out and arresting people who were a
January 6, who you don't agree with, if you want your pension,
you better. Go do that thing.
And I've had my supervisor in New Mexico tell me an uncertain
terms. He said, look, I agree with you
in principle and and in reality and I have a mortgage and I have
an alimony and I have to pay them and I can't stand up on
something like this. And so the answer is that these
people have sold their dignity and they've sold their honor and
their integrity for like 120 275 thousand dollars a year.
And what a shame to find that out at any point in your life.
That that's what you're honoring your integrity worth because the
FBI historically has always seen the crime and found the man.
And now what they're doing right now and what you're what you're
witnessing is, they've seen the man and they are finding the
crime and that doesn't matter whether it's you or it's Mark.
How in Delphia who was a pro like activists that got charged
with a face act violation, you know, for defending his kid.
I mean, the thing, and I interviewed him to and it's
like, you know, end of the day. Somebody says something like
that to one of my kids, like I'm putting them on, put him in the
gutter, they're not gonna probably able to get out for a
while. They're going to need an
ambulance and he was and he said, I don't know if you know
this, but he played, he played football in college like he's a
big dude. Like physical capable guy who
has a bunch of kids and had somebody threatening his 12 year
old son, I think eight-year-old of time anyway.
When they decide to go after you because you've identified your
identified as the man. So what do we got here?
How about Rico? That sounds like ridiculous an
outrageous. Yeah, I'm the only person that's
the other question that I worked with has even ever heard that
they all have the same Interstate.
Racketeering because you're the man.
Now, they got to find the crime, and the crime is you made money,
you travel to something. You stood on a bench, boom.
Now, I got you and, and what it absurd thing, and I think you're
100% correct about Them weaponizing, this government.
What I had never thought about and I think this is really
troubling. I've had to troubling
conversations in the last two days.
This is the second of them. The idea that this is the
blueprint pushing and creating precedent to go further and
further for this sort of Banana Republic that we are moving
towards that. The doj is trying out, new
tactics and getting away with it and it's just it's a positive
feedback loop right? It's reinforcing to push it
further. Julie Kelly's reporting during
this last week. Has kind of showed us they have
Four months in the defense team. Did you see that?
Oh dude. Yeah, this is big.
This is this would say, I ask this of of a FBI attorney who
had 27 years as an agent and an attorney who was a chief
division Council. This is the guy that calls balls
and Strikes, whether you can or can't do an operation, I asked
it of an ATF agent who I don't trust the ATF but he's a nice
enough guy and he's retired now. So I can ask him real questions
and I go, hey, first of all, why do you work for the ATF 25 years
and second of all, most importantly, did you ever think
about recruiting Resources inside the defense camp and he
was like if only we had thought of that, huh?
He's like know the reason why you don't do it is because it's
illegal because they have a right to due process.
And you were in violation. My very first conversation with
my attorney, the Brad, Geyer the very first time.
We talked on Wednesday morning the day before Thanksgiving
2021. We spent three hours on the
phone and you know how he closed that conversation on the phone
for any of those of you who are listening to me right now.
I have just entered an agreement with this with Stephen Baker.
He is now my client, this is an attorney-client privilege call
and he ends our calls with that. Basically a wrote statement that
he makes every single time at the end of these calls because
he has known as a guy, working on these January 6 cases, that
he is being monitored. He knows that they're called
that because he understand, he was he had to develop entire
cases without being able to to visit his client in jail because
his client was unvaccinated. Right?
Because that actually means that you don't have any rights under
the constitution in this country.
That's correct. So, he has to have those
consultations with his client, attorney-client, consultations
the ultimate sacrifice, you know, separation of powers
there, where you get to say, anything to your attorney and
knowing that, all those calls are being recorded and now we're
seeing that, that actually was happening through.
Proud boys trial now. Yeah, and the second thing was
and this is the one that just came out was that they actually
recruited a source, The Source was going to be a defense
witness and the source continued, as a CHS, a
confidential human source for the bureau reporting back to the
agents after meeting with the attorneys discussing strategy.
So they were catching that in real time to and this person
was, you know, no disclosure to the defense that hey, by the
way, this person is one of our people and found out the day
before they were supposed to testify.
They are in fact, a federal informant I've never, I've never
seen anything like that and you're painting of it stating
that this is basically just there.
This is their trial, run for all of the possibilities there.
You know, we've seen that and we've seen the face act, which
is the other thing. It's so absurd.
And both of them are decidedly against people on the right and
I don't really care what anyone's position is about.
Abortion, your position about speaking out and saying your
thing, as long as you're not involved in violence, and you're
not violating, the federal law is really, it's not really a
negotiation and I would feel the same.
If it was whether people were doing the same thing outside of
an abortion clinic or if they're doing the same thing in front of
a church. Yeah, yeah.
Take your pick. Your body goes back, it goes
back to the world that I grew up in, which was very simply this.
And we talked about that earlier, you know, 19 years old.
I started playing professionally when I was 16 years old and
music and and, and the, how different the world we didn't
the subject of politics in my band, never came up.
Everyone's today in this world I have Band members that will quit
once, they learned in your politics, it's completely
different world. And and what what was happening
back then? In those days was, we had this
idea that I don't, I may not agree with anything that you
have to say, but I will stand on the line and I will defend your
right to the death for the right to say what you have to say.
It's a very old soul idea doesn't exist anymore, it
doesn't, I still believe it. I do too.
I mean, that's what iswhat, that's what I swore in.
I mean, I've sworn an oath that multiple times and it's strange.
What do you as I saw that change?
I mean, I was born in 1981, so I'm younger by all means and
they would still the way that I grew up.
You know, my dad actually interviewed me on as radio
station and asked me to be grew up in a political household.
Now, when he goes, do you know how your parents voted and I
call not until I was in my 20s I just didn't know but I didn't
also care. It didn't really matter.
It wasn't a thing anybody cared about, I remember going to
college and I was a 18 years old in the dormitory and somebody
was like, you know, freaking out about the fact that bush jr.
Was running. And he was really into it and I
went, he goes, what do you think about Bush and I go, he's a
really nice man and they go. What do you mean?
I go? I my dad worked for him at the
Texas Rangers. He used to be a part owner of a
baseball team and my dad was a manager in the marketing
department there and he really liked him.
He thought he was a good guy so that's good enough for me.
That was my that was my version of Politics the time.
Yeah, exactly. And and that's about how far it
went until much much later. Or what do you attribute that?
That shift because it is a nasty shift that we've seen in this
country. I don't know anyone that likes
it. That's not actually true.
There may be one or two people at back and maybe so, yeah.
But like, the only thing I can think of is, it has to be the
internet. I mean, that, that, that has
that his rewired the minds of an entire couple Generations.
Now, when, you know, when I, when I think about the fact that
I started cutting my political writing chops, you know, back in
CompuServe days back. But, you know, early 90s and as
I said before, from CompuServe, I went to AOL and form a ol to
my space, my space to Facebook, Facebook to blogging, you know?
And the progression went from there, right?
And so the, the fact that we're 30 years, oh, well, gosh, now
can't even believe that we're, you know, we're 35 years
roughly, and to the internet generation.
So we've got We have. Not only children having their
minds rewired, but their parents.
Now they've already had their minds rewired by the internet.
Yeah. And as, as glorious as it is,
for an information and communication source and has
beneficial, and is as beneficial as it has been to us
economically. We now what we now know what the
downside is. And I think that's the only
thing I can think of Kyle is that's the, that's the dividing
line between that first half, because I'm a little older than
you. So, Dividing line, for the first
half of my life in the second half of my life.
Is he I've accent? What do you think about the?
I hear people say it. I know actually one of my
buddies who's he doesn't, I don't know if he has a college
degree. He's like one of the deepest
thinkers, that's never probably been to college kind of thing.
And I love people like that. They're my favorite.
And so he has this, this unique perspective, and he always talks
about the digital Dark Age that we are.
We have this incredible amount of Technology available to us,
but we don't know what it means. And we don't know how to use it
in the same way that the people in the in Europe didn't
understand. Like they had these aqueducts
and the Romans built them and they were incredible and they
worked, they kept moving water in, but nobody knew how to fix
the damn thing because they didn't understand what the
technology fundamentally did. And it seems like in some ways.
That's maybe where we're at with the internet, it exists.
It's got some power for good but nobody knows what to do with it
or how to use it running and look where we're headed now with
AI. And I've just been talking to
some of my followers and did a little bit of a story on it
already. I Experimenting with chat GPT
last week. Yep.
And I didn't know how to do it. So I actually had some of my,
you know, my smarter people. People that know more than I do
and about those types of things, taught me how to approach my
conversations with artificial intelligence.
So I redirected I started challenging them started
challenging, the responses. I was getting from the machine
and the Machine would sometimes apologize to me go.
Oh yeah, you're right. And then it would correct itself
and come back with the The correct information and I went,
okay, you had access to the correct information already, are
you telling me that your You released, what you did release
to me in the first time? I asked you that question out of
some sort of pre-programming bias and the Machine would
refuse to acknowledge her admit to bias and it's thinking, or in
its programming, absolutely refuse.
It would never ever confess to bias.
What. But, but nevertheless program
are now. Did you see it?
Did you, but did you see the poem?
I had it right now. I did, I didn't dig deep enough
into the At. Oh okay.
All right. Well, let me see if I can find
it. I won't waste any time here.
And and then again, maybe you can you can edit it out here if
I can't find it fast a problem. But but what what happened was
is after I've had this incredibly long conversation
with this machine, I finally asked it to write me a poem in
the style of e.e. Cummings.
Okay I play favorite poets is a young young man.
I was in the literature as told you I was a pollutant My dad, by
the way, I've got, I've got complete works of e.e.
Cummings in my library. There you go.
And so I hear I found it. So this was the question that I
put to it. I said, can you write me a poem
about the Department of Justice handling of the January 6, 2021
riot in the style of e.e. Cummings?
That's my question. Okay, that's a very specific.
I've seen it, do things like dr. Seuss and some other stuff about
the Second Amendment. So I'm interested that you want
to read it to us. So here's what it says to me.
The frightening part Kyle is that it entirely produced its
response and the entire text of the four verse poem in less than
two seconds. Right?
That's Fine. So here it says it, introduces
it for me here's a poem and the style of e.e.
Cummings that reflects on the Department of Justice, handling
of the January, 6, 2021 riots. And here we go.
Perfect e.e. Cummings Style, no punctuation
since you know, yep, no capitalization is stable, may
not know that, but that's, that's the thing.
That's the way EE Cummings, lowercase, b.
Lowercase e coming, spelled out, no punctuation.
Machine wrote. Oh Justice.
Be your sword unsheathed to meet out truth and prosecute the
deceived the capital stormed by an angry horde, to disrupt
destroy, and break the lawful Accord, but the doj firm in its
solemn role investigates in deitz and upholds, the rule of
the hole. So let us trust in the
Blindfolded made to balance the scales and ensure Justice is
conveyed that's horrifying. And did you catch the first
verse it said and prosecute the deceived It's incredible stuff
that's really dense to. That's really bothering.
That's gonna bother me. Thank you for that.
Now I can go walk around. I already am scared of this.
Is that this damn thing? Because I grew up in a
generation watching the Terminator and Terminator 2 and
yeah. So there's a really interesting
totally unrelated but there's a very interesting way.
I experiment, that's done in a follow-on.
They did a thing called the the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
You familiar with that at all. Yeah.
Do you watch any of them? No, I haven't, but I'm I know it
exists. I'd say it's entertaining.
I don't know if it's worth anybody's time or not.
If you happen to be a Terminator 2 type, it's got pretty women in
a doing cool, you know, but kicking stuff.
And you've got a young John Connor who's trying to figure it
out and he is dealing with this concept of artificial
intelligence. I think that's really the most
I've ever seen it dug into, you know, if you remember the T1000
and the T800, they were kind of like killing machines, right?
They didn't really they didn't really Process a whole lot.
They were learning, you know, he was a known that computer but he
was still Arnold Schwarzenegger so he didn't really have a lot
of depth in that, that I are in this one.
They take the, they take, the, AI chip that they get from
something, and they plug it into a machine, and they build a
supercomputer around it, and they plug it into a body of a
deceased Terminator. That was be powered for some
reason. And so now it has a face and a
name and it looks like a Terminator.
It's a muscular white male, you know, with a buzz cut.
But it's learning like a child and they named it.
John Henry for the man who could outwork the machine.
All this is very, very dark stuff when you start watching
it. It's really, really good.
They had a couple of great scenes in there where the the
Terminators actually throwing all this, you know, takes a
Tactical Team apart of the FBI, of course, right?
But and they're playing their plan, Johnny Cash, right?
And he's just, you know, you could.
What is it called sooner or later?
God'll cut you down as the song very dark watching like bodies
fly off a balcony into the pool and deleting stuff and and this
John Henry is learning poetry and learning why people do
things. And but it's the idea of a true
AI that is literally learning for the sake of learning, not
with the bias of a programmer and the and the thing that's
programming, it turns out to be another Terminator from a more
advanced one. So it's a machine programming, a
machine child to learn for the sake of Purity.
And that's not the AI that we're seeing.
In this country, we're seeing an AI that has the all the biases
and wild sort of inclinations of a very far left Silicon Valley
group and they're making it available and a lot of Not the
only person who's exposed at that.
That's a really scary poem when every level it's like well I
mean I mean when I when I read that first it's also really
good. Yeah.
It's also incredibly Good Very well-crafted, it's absolutely
eloquent. It's absolutely perfectly E
Cummings and the fact that it when I saw that that conclusion
to meet out truth and prosecute the deceived that was bias
programming right there. Why didn't we why didn't the
artificial intelligence spit out and prosecute the guilty?
Right. Good have done.
That could have chosen that word.
No, it's really, really specific.
It's a very specific value. Do it knew that the protesters
that day, were were protesting an election result and that they
had been lied to by their president prosecute, the
deceived, That's how deep that poem is.
It's so ugly and it's really scary.
Like I said I grew up in fear of AI and I tend to agree with Elon
Musk types that it's the scariest thing that's out there
but it's scary or it's much scarier to think that it comes
with the bias of the people that are building it in the people
that are building. It probably think guys like you
are a domestic terrorist because you showed up to videotape and
document something and you continue to do so throughout the
the course of one day. One day in your whole life that
you went did that. But, you know, going back to
your question about why I think that they may be retargeting me,
we chased two or three. Rabbits, since you asked me that
question, that's what we do, yeah, which is fine.
I'm enjoying the conversation, but what ended up happening was
as, you know, I have been very aggressive, I was also the only
voice of my kind of Our Kind in The Oath Keepers trial for nine
weeks, tweet storming, Live every day from The Trial.
I was not on a reporting on what was happening in the trial.
The absolute complete evisceration of the Bill of
Rights and of Justice Itself by the behaviors of those us
attorney's and by the judge presiding over that trial.
As I watched it unfold before me, I was, I was aghast and I
was reporting on it as it happened and I was calling balls
and Strikes and and rules violations as they were
happening in the game. And then But my story was also
on the other 22:25 sometimes, 30 mainstream press affiliate, you
know, reporters that were in there as well.
I was began writing about them as well.
Yep. And what I was seeing in their
reporting because I would walk out of that media room everyday
go and then look at their stories as they would come out
over the course of the evening and into the next morning, and I
would come back the next morning and have to stare at them and
just never verbalize the question.
Did you watch the same? Trial that I saw yesterday.
That's right. Well, they have the same.
They have the same biases, they're bringing that the jurors
are bringing, and one of the things that has been so unique.
And I know it's been stated, but will say it one more time.
There is no precedent for people fighting to get on a federal
jury in anywhere that I'm aware of.
It's not a thing, it doesn't exist anywhere.
Nobody wants to be on a federal jury, nobody want to be on any
jury. It's a massive inconvenience for
your life and people are crawling all over themselves and
excusing, their own biases in ways that are completely
illogical. In order to sit and mean out
Justice because they want to be part of the retribution, that
stop these evil people. These evil evil people that did
this terrible terrible thing and they're going to be part of it.
They're gonna be part of history.
That is a that is a heretofore never never seen in this country
in any way and so you're seeing all the pieces of it you're
seeing judges that are on board. You're seeing jurors that are
fighting to be part of it, you're seeing journalists that
have a side and they are man they are rooting for their team.
They are not watching the same game you're watching.
It scares the hell out of me, to be honest with you, like it.
I've read Ryan J. Riley's reporting.
And I think he's a buffoon, because he thought that earplugs
were rubber bullets in Ferguson. And I basically have discounted
anything. He said I know people can grow
and they can, they can change. He hasn't shown me that he's had
any more discernment since then. He's still saying foolish things
including about me personally. So I think are funny.
It's like I think you're a beta male and I think that you
wouldn't say any of those things to my face because if you're
gonna act like that, like you're a fool but so be it that
hopefully he listens Podcast used to listen to some of mine
and do his thing with. I've been right about him, but
they go up there and there will be, will he probably will?
Because Ryan and I met at that trial.
He interviewed me for his book. Oh good, which is S edition
hunters or whatever. He's calling it something.
Yeah, something like that. He but he interviewed me for two
and a half hours for his book. And when he called me up sitting
right at this desk right here, and I said, actually he texted
me and said, hey would you know be interested in doing a sit
down with me for my book. I said sure.
Just let me know when Boom the phone rings, right?
Then sometime early evening and I went because you got time
right now. Yeah, what the heck?
I said oh by the way I'm going to be recording this and I said,
if you misquote me, are you mischaracterize anything?
I say, I'm going to burn the house down.
He said, okay, fine, good enough.
And that's how that's how that interview started.
He's quoting me accurately. And the things that he thought
were like an indictment of my character because I said, I
thought the on the day of January 6 was really funny from
where I was sitting and it was, it was Hilarious.
I'm telling you I was shooting with a bunch of regular cops and
then we look down and I was a dude with Viking horn standing
in the middle of the floor and we're like like that's absurd
like that's it. That's theater of the Absurd
alternate universe weird at 40 something, you know, almost 40
years old at that time, you know, for I'm 41 now.
So I'm looking at that and going never in my life.
Would you have been like, is that on your bingo card for the
next three years? Nope, that's not on my bingo
card, I wouldn't even put. I wouldn't waste the square man.
Not even on the free space that's craziness, that wouldn't
happen. And so that happens is Quota
mean it's like and then and then they also showed, I told him
told everybody when I put these first, you know, my fledgling
podcast out that that I threw away leads of January 6th.
And the January 6 leads were awful, they were straight-up
awful, it was. I knew Steve Baker.
Back in high school. I knew he played the trumpet.
He really loved Dragon, he's an asshole.
He probably loves Trump, and he probably burned down the Capitol
and it's like I'm not going to go investigate that are you out
of your mind? Like I wouldn't waste my time.
I wouldn't waste anybody's time with that.
I wouldn't even waste an analyst time with that.
It's trash. That's where that Goes that's
personal Vendetta and animosity. That's the stuff that we saw
though. But there are a lot of agents
that ran, that, that lead down and they came and talked to you.
I mean, you know what I mean? And they would, that's exactly
right and and so, so that's what happens.
That's what's so scary, go back to, so, back to why we're
worried about today, yeah, I have been, as a said, very
aggressive in my analysis, very aggressive in my writing.
I'm also now working with a group in DC that is feeding the,
the alleged weaponization committee.
The group that I'm working with are very very well-connected
their own Capitol Hill every single day.
They are very much like you. And I and that they are angry
about what's not happening with those committees.
Yeah, they're, they're absolutely insist and sensed at
the stonewalling and what they feel like is a betrayal of the
actual function that stated function of that committee by
its leadership. Yes, Jim Jordan.
And these say, it loud about it. Shut up before I look I've no
but mod I already have I've called him out.
Brutally in my Twitter feed, I feel the same way, but it's
like, it's like look, if he does it he does something well, that
we give an attaboy. And if he doesn't we tell them
we're disappointed and that's just being honest people.
Like that's what constituents are supposed to do.
Well, as you've heard, I've called out the name of Anita Eve
several times I've called out my agents names here.
That's generally the way I, right?
Yeah. It's like if they're going to
come after me, then I can I can spread the love as well.
And so the the It's not, it's not my own form of Vendetta or
retribution, it's just equal opportunity and it's equally,
it's, it's equal time. It's equal speech.
Is what it is to me. If they're going to prosecute
me, then I'm going to let the world know who's coming after
me. And what ended up happening was
on Monday of this week. My attorney called me
mid-afternoon and his first words out of his mouth after I
said, hey Brad, what's going on? He said, hey just letting you
know that we're both in the kill box.
X. Did you define that term for
you? Well, I know what a kill box is
and I'm like, keep talking. And he said, He said.
Well he said, you know how basically how I've had to pull
you back on a few of your stories because every once in a
while I write something that scares me.
Okay. I've sent it to him.
Yeah. And let him go, you know?
And and just as an example, I've done part 1 part 2, part 3 of my
Capitol Police story and, and in that series, one of the reasons
why I'm getting calls and I'm being privately contacted by
Capitol. Police officers, is they know
that. Playing Fair.
Yeah, I'm not I'm not one of those guys on our side who has
characterized every officer that day as a murderer, every officer
is Michael bird. And you know, that that's the
way they've. That's what we know, you read
it, I've interviewed them. There's a class of people on our
team who that's the way they think about every law
enforcement officer up there. Yes, a great buy and I don't
have a team either. So, It's like, I like that and I
found that to be very much the case so far since we've been
talking. So I appreciate that as a, just
a middle-of-the-road sober thing.
It's like, look, these things happen.
Some things are good, some things are bad, you know, like
the whole rest of your life, like every other person's
experience in life, not everything is one thing.
So, they've been coming out and talking to you.
Yeah. So they've been coming out and
talking to me. I'm obviously reporting on that.
Yeah. And and the word is getting Out
Among the legal Community as well.
That I'm ruffling feathers. Then that conversation was on
Monday, the kill box, the kill box conversation was on Monday
Tuesday morning 6:30. A.m.
I get a phone call from another journalist friendly journalist.
Who called to tell me that he had a friendly Source inside the
doj and d.c. who phoned him on Monday and said I'm paraphrasing
but he said your friend in Raleigh, tell him to be careful.
He has awakened a couple of people.
Who are really unhappy with what he's reporting on right now.
That was Tuesday morning at six, you know, when another
journalist calls you at 6:30 a.m.
It's not gets a pretty, that's a pretty significant warning.
Wake morning, wake-up call? Yeah, no coffee required.
Yeah. And coincidentally I hear from
Steve friend, you know, 1:00 or 2:00 in the afternoon.
You interested in being on Tucker, he puts me in touch with
the gal, that set that up. And I'm sitting in the studio
talking to Tucker that night about that very situation.
Obviously, we didn't have time to get into that kind of detail.
About while I think that I'm being about to be targeted yet
again, but as I said, my own attorney has had to walk me off
the ledge a couple of times with some of my stories and I mean,
even even I had, I was contacted one time, not contacted but I
was officer Harry. Dunn's attorney took a part of
warning, shot across my bow, publicly-owned on Twitter.
And so, I immediately got on the phone with my attorney and said,
hey, are they going to sue me, for what I'm saying about hair?
He done and he goes let them cookies.
Then we can accuse that's a lot more evidence.
We can get into everything out into the open.
And he said, yeah let him come on he said cousin then we get to
take him down and he said that's why they're not going to because
the video evidence will prove that Harry Dunne is a liar when
it's released remind me, who Harry done is I know the name
now and I can't place what his role is a police officer.
He done is the one that was made that he's the big six-foot, 867
350-pound officer who Was credited with so many wonderful
Deeds that day. He's received a presidential
medal, a Congressional Medal Department, Metal.
He's got got his book deal and he's the guy that claimed that
he was subjected to a group of rioters chanting the n-word at
him. Right?
Of course, right and every single black, you SCP officer
that I've spoken to and there have been several all say that
Or happened the black officers that I'm speaking to.
Yeah, and there's a fair, there's a fair number of black
officers on US Capitol, Police for people who don't know,
that's, that's who lives around d.c., there's a lot of that,
there's a lot of gentlemen, that look like that.
I have no thought that doesn't sound credible either, that's
not the sort of thing that happens in America.
Generally speaking, especially the most, it's the most recorded
event in the history of the world, and you're telling me
that an event of that magnitude had it been recorded on one of
the hundreds of cell phones that would have been present and
rolling at that time or any of the professional photographers,
are the independent journalists that were in that area at the
time. But I led that we must capture,
we would have not heard a single January 6 story at on any
network ever for two and a half years without that audio
running. That's right.
I agree. And it didn't happen but that's
not the big lie and the big lie is buried in the videotape, and
I've seen it And that has to do with his testimony Against The
Oath Keepers and receipt changed.
His FBI in the to FBI 302s and they're both, still under seal,
but they were both referenced in court, so I can talk about it
first. FBI interview, he credited The
Oath Keepers, this was in May of twenty Twenty-One withstanding,
a line in front of him and helping, prevent more of the
agitated protesters keeping them off of him.
The way you'd expect back to people who are former law
enforcement and Military to do correct.
Sometime between May 20 21 and August of 2021.
The Oath Keepers were determined to be the perfect Patsy
scapegoat whatever you want to call them as the tip of the
spear as the leaders of the Insurrection, as a militia
during a militia group violent right-wing extremists.
Militia group as they were characterized and Harry Dunne
was brought back in for another interview with the FBI, which
I've read both 302s. And the only reason that he was
brought back in for that. Second interview was to change
his o keeper story which he did and he created another event
that happened in another place which he said he thought were
Oath Keepers at the time, but it actually wasn't the actual real
Oath Keepers and that. That event was actually a
confrontational event and it was from beginning to end and the
only reason for the second interview was to change that
statement and and it created it out of whole cloth.
I've seen the video that proves that he lied but I can never
show it because it's under seal. This is capital police footage.
Not your footage. It is capital CCTV coverage.
All right, I'm going to keep, I'm going to pay it back to what
we were talking about. You got a phone call 6:30 in the
morning. What's your next action on that?
That puts you in the seat to talk to Tucker, obviously a
shorter interview then then what we're doing here.
So I'm glad we get to talk as much as you want about it.
It's one of those things that's so tough and having done those
shows that I've been on Waters, I've been on stalkers, you know.
Same as you. It's like, you get 90 seconds of
actual talk and you catch 90 seconds of question.
Tucker's actually good at listening, I think, but there's
such short Snippets. You got one.
You get one idea. You can just Send out across it,
that's it. Yeah, yeah.
We're approaching Joe Rogan territory here by the.
Yeah. We're coming up on three.
That's all right. People.
Listen to it, they can break it up into bite-size.
Always tell them that. That's the nice thing about leat
releasing on a Monday morning. It's like, you got all week.
We'll do another one. You got seven days, listen to
it. Or you can listen to it next
week. I don't care.
You listen to it anytime you want, because the interviews are
the interviews and the story that someone has to tell us
their story. And I don't know how long it
takes and neither do you until we start doing it.
So, yeah, what do you? You think the mechs the most
likely course of events are for you coming up next, you got that
call. You're obviously on the
offensive. I agree with that move.
I've done the same. I think it is the move.
It's the only thing that keeps just the justice department at
Bay is the fear of bad publicity.
I don't know why, I don't know why they care because it doesn't
seem to be the way that they're running their trials.
They don't seem to be interested in the Constitution.
They care about a little bit, maybe a little bit of public
sentiment is that? I think I think that The answer
to that question is our that thought?
Is that most of the country still respects, the First
Amendment? Not all of them is we know.
We talked about the Rorschach test, we talked about the
division, the extremes that of the, you know, this Chasm
between what appears to be the two sides now right now.
And but still there's still a lot of guys, I mean look how
many guys on from the left wing press have what, you know
whether they've been actually read pilled as we call it or not
have have become Well, they're showing their classical liberal
Stripes now and they're defending the First Amendment
there. Defending speech.
Again, if we're talking about whether we're talking about Joe
Rogan or Matt Taibbi, or we're talking about shellenberger are
just go down the list. And yeah, Barry Weiss and Lee
Fang. Although is it just more and
more and more and more of them are going.
Wait, stop stop. We I can still be of I'd Biden
voter but I can't I can't. Align with you on this
remoteness or this, the suspect a suppression of speech or this
you know, this deep platforming and and Shadow Banning of speech
and and so I think that if there's any hesitancy left in
the Department of Justice and as I've characterize them as using
January 6th as their, their R&D has her testing grounds, for
where they want to take this country.
Do you think that Scotch is by the way?
Do you think that's a A conscious decision that someone
is making. Yeah, they just okay.
I the the actual Gates of Hell. Evil I saw in the go in The Oath
Keepers trial had to be conscious because these people
they either literally have a seared conscience or this was a
conscious, you know, decision and probably maybe both.
Yeah, this is your idea. So I don't know that I have an
opinion on it yet. I think it's an incredibly
interesting thing to to dig into and I'm I think that that's a
certainly plausible that it is conscious, I'm curious how many
people are actually driving that in a conscious way.
And and so let's say that is conscious that it's a
conscientious effort to do this. What's the endgame look like It
is to in fact shut down the other half of the country and to
shut down our speech. Eventually the only bulwark that
we have and Kyle, you know this I get I get this from my own
blog followers from New Zealand, Australia, Russia Romania.
He's got one never came. I won't waste time trying to
think of the country of the country.
I've never gotten a message from before but I'm not sure that I
even knew it existed, but these people tell us that the only
reason that there are remaining vestiges of freedom on this
planet to whatever level in these other countries that they
still have their varying levels of Liberty is because of our
Second Amendment. I hear that too.
That's the last Domino. It is the last one and I have
also written this about Sixth. Is that?
I believe. That they anticipated and
expected. The Maga crowd to show up with
concealed weapons. Use those weapons and that would
have been the end of the Second Amendment.
Had that happen to that day. It would have been over.
That's really interesting and I have written about that several
times and it is by the grace of God that it did not happen
because we do know that, some of those guys were armed, they just
didn't use their weapons. Yeah.
That's I mean that's a threshold that a most people are in the
military communities. The Special Operations guys,
talk about flipping the switch, I think a lot of people didn't
have that. They didn't the people that
showed up that would have done. That are not the types of people
that we're going to flip the switch and there may be
blowhards maybe fools maybe both and thankfully they did not do
that. The thing that you're talking
about, the second amendment being the the last hedge and I
do agree with you on that on every way and I have said that
pretty publicly. I also all say it.
Because I think it's really important.
I think that if anybody is looking at the division that's
happening in this country, and they don't think that violence
is on the menu. I'm not saying we have to order
it and I hope we don't very clearly.
But do you have the same Instinct that that is obviously
one of the items on the menu that is that we're looking down
with this sort of behavior because once you're once you're
looking at a government that delegitimize has its own
authorities by trampling over these, the civil liberties in
the Bill of Rights, the number of legitimate recourse, options
are very, very low. Right?
If we're talking about the Philadelphia abortion, clinic
protester, if we're talking about the school board meeting
protesters, the families have been characterized, as you know,
domestic terrorists, for speaking speaking up, but this
is, I believe a conscientious objective objective coming from
the Department of Justice to shut down the speech because
look, because you have to look at the trials.
All right? Look what What's happening in
the individual cases? If you're one of what I call
these Accidental Tourist that walked through the building if
you did so silently and you rolled up your flag.
You might get out of there, with either two or one single
misdemeanor, you'll get two years probation, five hundred
dollar fine on an hours of community service slap on the
wrist and you're sent back home to live your life and wait out
your probationary period to be over with, okay?
but if you wrote on your Facebook page prior to, or
afterwards, I stormed the capitol today.
And that's all you said, you got eight months in prison, same
thing, right? You didn't do anything different
or if they got you on video, chanting whose house our house
whose house our house that's going to cost you six months in
jail. Right Said, alright, now, let's
take it to the other extreme oathkeepers trial for whatever
The Oath Keepers may or may not be guilty of our shouldn't say
whatever. They may be guilty of.
Let me tell you what they're not guilty of.
What they got convicted of. Not a single one of them.
Yeah, guilty with the exception exception of Jessica Watkins who
took full responsibility for that shoving match.
She got in at shoving scrums, she got in with some of the
Metro Police Department. Okay.
Where's inside the Capitol? And she took full
responsibility, her lawyer on her behalf admitted to it, she
took the stand as a surprise witness in her own in her own
defense and admitted on the stand and said she was welcome,
welcome. Welcome any punishment.
That they would meet out. As a result of that violation
and she was sorry that she did it every single other defendant
in that trial. And in the subsequent trials, as
well, have been prosecuted for speech that people didn't like,
right. Not now in that trial, Kyle, it
was somewhere between it was either seven or nine FBI agents
testified in that first trial under cross-examination, which
the mainstream pass, completely avoided totally failed.
To render to the American people was that every single FBI
officer in that trial under cross-examination said, I have
no proof of written verbal or otherwise given orders from
oathkeeper leadership to enter the capital, Thorpe the election
certification, overthrow the government.
Every single FBI officer about all five of those defendants
answered that. Exact same way over and over and
over again, it was at sick case, yeah.
Then where's the conspiracy? It's the emanations and the
penumbra I think, right? It's it's the fact that a bunch
of ex military and law enforcement guys, get on the
phone or on chat groups together and talk shit.
Like they always do just like all the guys that I know down
here at Bragg. Yes.
And and it's just the way they talk.
That's right. And it's 100% obviously and and
and the jury got a brain washing and I say that Early.
Because I understand how this I media is.
My world. Music is my world.
I know how to keep a dance floor packed all night long at.
That is not easy to do and it is a it is a science.
It is a skill that is learned but you know, how to program
that audience, you know, how to hypnotize that audience and keep
them hypnotized for two or three hours.
And what that department of justice presentation was, and
that trial was a high-end super fast pace flash media.
I mean, Up, chat group, chat group, chat group, chat group,
all this inflammatory language, video video video.
Here's the guys on the firing range in Florida in September of
2020, which they probably do every month anyway before Jan.
Yeah, something they do anyway. The before, before January 6 was
even scheduled chat group, chat group from October, November.
December before January 6, was the amoeba because the January 6
event was not announced on December 19th.
With 20/20 and they're just like over and he's just fast as they
can throw this. This, this programming, this
brainwashing, multimedia, brainwashing at that.
And, of course, as you already stated, these clients, don't
have the money to hire the type of Defense teams that can
counter financially. The type of unlimited budget
that they had in that trial that the the Department of Justice
presented in that trial, is that it's just there's no way.
A to counter that their presentation was fact, more
factual but is Clumsy. It was it was an ill and they're
already fighting way way uphill against the jury that's fighting
to get on a jury. That's exactly it.
You're fighting on a jury by scientific polling.
Had a 95.5% predisposition towards the Oath Keepers guilt
before the trial ever started, right?
And, and I mean, there's no no way to combat that except a win
in a motion for, you know, the change of venue but nobody's
going to allow that. Well, apparently, they're
procedurally barred from doing that, is what I found out.
So, I've been listening to Bill Shipp leeteuk, you familiar with
him? Oh yeah, I talked to Bill
Shipley, regular inside you as well on the back end here and on
a couple Twitter spaces and one of the things that he mentioned,
which I thought was actually the most accurate.
Assessment of of the failure of doj, which you, I think you have
honed in on something really specific.
His statement is that the government has no business
weighing in on the outcome of a trial.
They're only interested in the process and the minute that you
step away from caring about the process that it's fair.
Its balance. The discovery is given on time
that the Brady material is turned over the way that it's
supposed to be the minute, you deviate from that and you start
caring about the outcome guilt or innocence Polly, you're not
Then you have departed from the mission of the government and we
are in a fully departed State. At this point, we have left the
road, we have left the on-ramp. We've left, whatever sort of the
feeder roads are and we are all far afield driving through
recruiting sources from the defense team which is a which is
yeah just it's not just the defense team.
It's a public defender. This is a like a mire.
Like very, very minor paid person who has the you know the
only ability to get this job or as a belief in the thing.
That's true too but this is someone who is Is not a
high-paid defense attorney by any means and doesn't have the
capabilities of going against that and they're getting,
they're getting sources into it. It's incredible stuff.
I got a, I got a text from Stewart, one of Stewart Rhodes
attorneys last night and he said he was addressing that issue
right there. He said to are you, are you
following this stuff that just coming out and the proud boys?
I said, yeah. He said he's like, damn it.
I knew that they were doing that to us the whole time.
I knew it was happening to us because time and time and time
again, they would have just before they they would even
subpoena a witness suddenly that Witness The day before the
subpoena would go out, was being interviewed by the FBI or
arrested, right? It happened to him at least five
times during that trial and it was, it was not coincidence.
You know, perfect. Perfect discrediting.
Yeah, yeah. And every single time that the
defense would come in and, you know, without the jury in the
room and would start arguing. This towards judge maida and
said this is happening to us. Now, years in the can man, well,
it goes back to your poem. Scarily enough, but the maiden
is not blind. You know, the blindfold is
lifted. She's peeking for one side and
she's putting her arm in the scale on the other side too.
So, it's a really, really scary time.
Is there anything uplifting about this?
I always ask people because I do a lot of interviews that are
just a lot of bad news. I think they're honest and bad
news. But is there anything that gives
you any kind of Hope out of any of this stuff or and it doesn't
have to be true by the way, I, the last guy asks you just said,
no, there's no Silver Lining. Is there anything that you see
that? You get some life experience,
you got some some wisdom of going through this on two ends
both as a as an investigator and also as someone who's kind of a
participant unwillingly, I am asked this question every
Tuesday Morning on a radio show that I do.
I have a regular 30-minute spot on a national radio show every
Thursday morning. Our Tuesday morning and because
our 30-minute conversation is usually a, you know, nothing but
gloom and doom and the end of the Republican zombie apocalypse
is all it ever consists of the, he asks me every single time.
What what do we how can we, how can we close this positively
today? And sometimes I can't.
Sometimes, I'm just too overwhelmed by what I'm dealing
with it to the moment by the cases that I'm working on the
investigations that I'm doing that.
I just I can't find the light, I can't see it because it is
darkness that I'm in this world that I'm moving in right now.
And to the point in this is not an answer to your question, but
I think that those who are still hanging with us, will will
understand my point, I'm still a musician, I still play.
I've got two more gigs this month, one tomorrow, when next
Thursday, and I get so myopically focused on whatever
story I'm working on at the time until I see it through.
I can't take, I can't I can't come out of that.
That that tunnel and then I've got a I've got a gig on the
calendar. I'm like man I've got a and I'm
the Ione, the band, the band leader.
I've got a I've got a schedule rehearsals.
I've got to communicate with the set list is going to be the
songs that we have to learn you know all of Sayings.
And I can't come out of that tunnel and then I'd read the
rehearsal that I had last night. I got.
And then, you know, I get with the band members in the, you
know, bands are like, you know, locker room kind of situations.
You're we have fun. And, and so it lightens me up a
little bit and then I'm back into my tunnel today.
And then tomorrow is my gig. And then I'd read the gig coming
up and then every single time Kyle I walk off the stage at the
end of the night. I can't wait to do that again,
because that's the light that I have.
I've left in my soul. Yep.
Is making people happy because I feel like what I'm doing right
now is scaring the shit out of them otherwise and and not
because that's my intent. It's that it's it's almost like
it's just a Clarion call. It's the, you know, it's the the
town, you know, the ringing, the bell, The Barker, I've got I
feel like that because I'm also going to tell you this and Rogan
hit on this the other day. When he said, I don't know if
you saw that clip where he said you know thank God for the
independent journalist because the the big media is failing us
utterly and they are and that's what I was.
That was the point I made earlier.
I can't wait for the day. I didn't have this opportunity
with Tucker because I only had three minutes.
It's right. But if I ever got to do his
podcast, or if I get to do Glenn Beck's podcast, or if I get to
sit down with Ben Shapiro, every one of them are one of them if
I'd ever happens. I'm going to look at them across
At the table and I'm going to tell them how much respect I
have for the work that they've done and how much I'd I follow
them and I watch them and I pay attention to what their work and
the good work that they do. But I'm then I'm going to say,
but you failed this country during the nine weeks of that
Oath Keepers trial because you had the money, the resources and
the damn staff in d.c. to come in there and you've got a
bullhorn large enough to at least balance out the Absolutely
steaming stack of Barbra Streisand.
It was coming out of the Mountain National media at
during that trial. Yeah.
And you could have offset that and maybe made a difference.
Even in one charge of one person or a set.
Instead you left me as this little bitty blogger guy
independent, who had to pay for that sucker out of my pocket for
nine weeks. It ain't cheap to be in d.c. for
nine weeks, by the way, and you left me there by myself.
Yep. And you you didn't you didn't
fail your audience, you failed the country by not being there
that day. And you know why?
Because you're scared of China were January 6.
You thinks it's, you think it's toxic but I'm telling you right
now, you don't understand the magnitude, what's happening as a
result of January 6th. It's the largest narrative
victory in the history of this country for one political side
over the other and they're taking full advantage right now
and running roughshod over the Constitution.
And this is the, it's the petri dish for where they're taking us
in. If you don't see it, you don't
understand it. You're not going to be able to
stop it. So that's not positive.
That's not it is but it is a good takeaway.
It is that it is the thing that I would leave everybody with is
to say this, if they're not going to do it, it's going to be
me. And it's going to be the other
small guys. It's going to be the
Independence that are out there. You know, doing the old-style
gumshoe work, And and I'm going to find the port to that Death
Star buddy. Yeah, it's there and they keep
they expose it every once in a while as Steve called the
thermal exhaust Port. We have one on the FBI with the
Catholic document that went out and made a big buzz, it hit in a
big way, they're 70 million Catholics in this country that
don't want to be told that they are white supremacist because
it's antithetical to their views simply because they don't like
abortion. That's not a thing that's real
and every once in a while they turn that little scale over the
scale of smog if you were A gr talking, you know, there was a
one spot where he was soft, right?
And they do have a soft spot and they expose it occasionally.
So we'll keep looking for it. I appreciate that.
I tell everybody that because people always checking on me and
do the same thing and they go, oh, you know, how you doing, and
I go, it's really straightforward.
I go to bed every single night defeated and I wake up every
morning Ready for War and and it sounds like you have the same
attitude, so I do appreciate that in a big way.
Where can people read some of this morose Doom and Gloom
writing that you put out there? Where, where can they follow
your blog? If they're not already doing.
So yeah, I'm on locals the the easiest way to find it and you
can either write out the full. I've got a condensed my name but
it's the pragmatic constitutionalist dot
locals.com. Or you can just go to TPC, four.
Usa.com it'll take you to the same.
Exact address TPC. The number for the number for
USA and at TPC for USA is my Twitter account.
It's also my Facebook account. So, TPC.
Four USA is the easiest way to find it.
The obviously, we need you over on locals because not only is
their content there that I don't share anywhere.
And I have I have these kinds of conversations with my followers
there that I don't have anywhere else chair and, and that is
important. And I there those are the guys
that I wake up and, you know, it's 6:30 in the morning when I
get a call from the telling me to, you know, I need to be
looking, you know, over my shoulder that I didn't go to
them and I tell them those stories that morning that I
don't tell the rest of the world usually and so that's the kind
of thing that happens. There to my local group and and
it's also the only place I don't have any potions or lotions or
anything else to sell and so it is only through the support that
we do through the subscriber side of our locals is free to
subscribe to but we also have a supporter side.
And so anybody that can do that over there for as little as $5,
a month, can help us in in these investigations and is I said it
ain't cheap being in DC. Now it's Alliance.
Well I appreciate what you're doing.
I appreciate you sharing all this time with us now.
Three hours and change. God bless you for the for the
work you're doing. I hope you keep us apprised.
I hope that that they stay off your door.
I hope the line stay at Bay, and we're going to need some small
victories in these little fields for some people who are doing
the right thing to not have the doj kick through that door.
I have the same fears for different reasons, just because
I have no trust in that agency. Fortunately and what a sad world
that we're living in, where our department of justice has
slipped that blindfold in this is looking Us in the eye as
instead of just doing the job. That is the process.
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