Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an
American patriot. Prepare to embrace the
uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for
comforting lies. Here is civil liberties
enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI
agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and
welcome to the Kyle Serif Show. Today is Thursday.
It is April the 18th and we are rolling live on
rumble.com/kyleserif and join us over there if you like to get
into the live chat. It is already bumping and you
guys can hit the like button. You can subscribe to the channel
if you so choose. You can support us if you want
to. You hit the follow button and
then you get a secondary option only on APC or only if you're in
a web browser. I don't know why Rumble rocks
like that but that is how they do it folks.
We got a very special guest today.
I hope you guys are going to appreciate it as much as I
appreciate him giving us the time.
A man who is in the running for Catholic Hero of the Year, we're
going to run our ad reads up front because I'm the boss and
this is my show and I do it how I like it.
And mostly we don't have to answer to anybody.
We're going to do that real quick.
And then we're going to jump into a conversation with Rob
Green, who is not representing DoD or the Department of the
Navy. He's a man in his own personal
capacity talking about some things that are a big deal.
And I think you're going to find another suspendable.
So that's good stuff. Let's start off with our friends
over at Patriot Cooler. It's patriotcooler.com.
That's where you go to get your own version.
Look at this one. This one's got decorations.
This is one of my buddies over at the Department of the Air
Force. Yes, I got called a white
supremacist for having an AFSOC sticker in a briefing.
I don't know. You guys can get your own
Patriot coolers.com promo code Kyle will save you 10%.
Promo code Kyle Kyle will save you that 10% on Patriot coolers.
If you spend 50 bucks or more, you get free shipping.
That's good to go. Easy stuff.
You guys can support a sponsor that supports us.
Don't buy it if you don't need it.
Don't buy it if you can't afford it.
But if you want to and you want to go out there and take care of
the folks that are taking care of us, that's where you do it.
Patriot coolers.com Houston TX. Good people, We appreciate them.
Let's also talk about preparing yourself for God knows what's
coming at you. And honestly, God knows what's
coming at us. For patriots.com/kyle.
That is our food survival supplier, the number four
patriots.com/kyle. You got two choices in life.
You can prepare or repair. As I learned in the survival
school, you can go for about 3 weeks without food, but you will
be a grump and you will be a terrible father and a lousy
husband and not a lot of fun to be around if you do not have
some calories in reserve. You guys can do up to 72 hours
just to throw in your car, quick grab and go.
Or you can go three months, six months, a year.
Prepare yourself out. They've also got all kinds of
little gadgets and gizmos, which is fun.
Yeah, we like that kind of stuff for patriots.com/kyle to
prepare, lest you be caught trying to repair.
Far more expensive. Who knows how many American
dollars Because my buddy always calling Federal Reserve Notes
you have to put into a wheelbarrow at some point when
our hyperinflation goes. Get yourself squared away for
that. And last but not least, our dear
friends over at the Catholic Vote today is not going to be a
news based story. We're going to be talking about
people. We're going to be talking about
what happens, not what happened. And if you guys want to go get
the loop, you can go to catholicvote.org, click on the
the center button right there that says loop me in with your
e-mail address and you will get this The Loop, which has an
article written by me in it today of all things.
I didn't even know they were putting that out, but they did.
I helped write a book. It was in one of the chapters
and they released that, at least a piece of it to the Federalist
about the betrayal that the FBI has engaged in against
Catholics. If you guys want to read about
that, you can read about the Senate killing, the Mayorkas
impeachment. There's a story about a Jesuit
university that was trying to put on drag shows and they got
on the wrong side of us. So there are over 13,000 people
signing a petition on and on. Denver mayor trying to give
millions to migrants, which we know are illegal immigrants
trying to give them while defunding the police.
Good stories, check out catholicvote.org.
You guys are going to be missing out if you do not get the loop
today. And that is it.
That is, that is all of the 20 minutes of sponsorships that we
are alleged to do in our 40 minute podcast, which is
obviously not that. Let's bring on our guest and I
want to show you up here. He is the author of Defending
the Constitution Behind Enemy Lines, a story of hope for those
who love liberty. You can follow him on social
media at Rob Green 1010. I'll have to ask him what the
1010 part means, but you can see there.
And he's also the author of the Declaration of Military
Accountability. My guest today is Commander Rob
Green, who is in his personal capacity.
That's right. How we doing, Sir?
Doing very well, Kyle. Thank you for having me on.
Thanks for being on with me. I'm going to call you Rob.
So we don't have any sort of issues with the Department of
the Navy or less anyone think you're representing something
you're not. Is that cool with you?
Oh yeah, absolutely. I appreciate your reading.
The disclaimer up front. I typically don't do it.
I had APAO and a legal review at one point from a friend and he
said, you know what, You're so far off narrative, you don't
have to worry. You know, you don't speak for
them. So when I am asked to say it, I
typically say something along the lines of yes.
I don't speak for for anybody who is a domestic enemy to the
Constitution. I like that.
I like that a lot. Unfortunately, it seems like a
lot of our government, a lot of our military has sort of stepped
into that space, and a lot of people forgot that their oath
was to the Constitution, not to their branch of service and not
their their government agency. Huh.
What a weird time to be alive. All right, Rob, I want to start
with who you are and then we'll get into what you've been doing
and how you got there. So we'll just kind of take our
time, if that's cool with you. I want to give you the floor,
tell people where you're from and how you describe yourself.
Obviously there's there's show notes if people want to read
about it, but I'd like it in your own words.
Yeah, thank you, Navy commander. Father of seven, traditional
Catholic. And I mean, I I would never,
ever want to be in the public light, the public sphere,
certainly, you know, never doing social media stuff.
But we got into this fight when the Navy started trying to chase
me down with a a needle with a biological agent that I don't
need. And and then I really started
doing a bunch of research and realized, hey, we're breaking a
couple laws here. And then went on the offensive
as soon as we realized what this was doing to people and and what
was it was doing to the Constitution that we swore an
oath to defend, completely shredding it.
And so this, that's how I got into this whole fight and why
we're talking. I appreciate that.
Where did you grow up? Where are you from?
From Alabama originally, and then went to Ole Miss for a
year, went to the Naval Academy. After that, met my wife.
She's from Steubenville, OH. Her dad was in the
administration at the university for like 30 years.
So we we met in a place called Catholic Family Land Apostolate
for Family Consecration up in Bloomingdale.
OH, I had a break at the Naval Academy for a week, went met my
family up there. She was working there and so we
got married two days after graduation from the Academy.
OK, fair enough. That's a that's a good origin
story. And Alabama the beautiful,
right. That's the way they say it.
On the, on the signs on the way in.
It it is. It is a very beautiful state.
Hard of Dixie. I didn't know that when I first
drove through Alabama. This was years ago.
I think I was active duty. I think I was driving out to to
Fort Bragg and I drove through it and and it said Alabama the
beautiful. And I went like, yeah, whatever.
Everyone has a little little catch phrase and then it is a
shockingly gorgeous state. Especially when you go east to
West and cross it and you just go, man, there's some, there's
some real beauty in this country.
It's worth defending, it turns out.
It is. It is.
It's very hot down there though. Yeah, yeah.
No, I can't do that anymore. I almost died a heat stroke when
I was active duty, so I'm no longer doing the the game of the
the American South, OK, Do you want to see where you're
currently stationed right now? Is that relevant to anything or
do you want to hide that? Well, it it doesn't matter.
I mean, the ones who oppose what we're standing for, they all
know where I live. So as you obviously know, they.
So I was in Newport, RI when everything went down.
I was the executive officer of a 650 person unit up there, got
fired from that job and then exiled for seven months.
And eventually when we started winning in court and they
realized they can't court martial me or kick me out
involuntarily, they said, hey, we're gonna have to put you back
to work. So after seven months of of
exile and no contact where they, you know, probably hoped that
would just go away, they said, hey, we're gonna have to put you
back to work, move me back to Virginia.
And you know, I'm in. I'm in the southern Virginia
area now. OK, fair enough.
No, that's good enough. I don't need you to get too
specific, and there's no upside to that for anybody.
Let's talk about your military career.
You just talked about graduating, getting married.
Obviously you've got 7 kids, so they came.
Spanner What's your oldest and your youngest kid wise?
Almost 16 down to two. Yeah that's a big spread.
That's a wild that's a wild household.
As you you mentioned before we got started I'm, I'm much more
compact. I've got a 7 month old right now
who's trying to figure out how to walk, which scares me 'cause
right when they start getting mobile, you know that that phase
where it's like, oh boy, it's I always tell people it's like the
velociraptors being able to turn the handles in Jurassic Park
where you just suddenly are like my wife and I kind of go white
eyed and we're like let's talk about where was your first
command kind of your movement through.
And and the reason I want to do that is I want to discuss my
buddy Steve calls it the the system idealist.
The people who love the system tend to be the ones that do what
you have done. Step up and say hey I'm willing
to lose my job over this because you actually believe in it.
Let's talk about sort of how you progressed and and you know
where you were, where your commands were as a as an officer
moving through the Navy. Yeah.
So I did a couple destroyer tours out of Norfolk.
It was my very first commanding officer is now the the Navy
Inspector General, a three star Admiral.
I mentioned him in the book because I I believe that Admiral
John Fuller had a great opportunity to help stop some of
this lawlessness and you know he defended the institution rather
than the Constitution. So I talked a little bit about
that. I I went to a shore duty
command. After that I was doing weapon
systems testing for the Navy, got a master's degree in
operations research, a modeling and simulation master
certificate focused on data analytics, things like that.
I did five years as AGS and a reservist in the Navy and then
eventually said hey, I want to get back and lead.
So I reactivated permanent active duty as a reserve
management officer and now that's where they sent me to
Newport, RI where I was the EXO of a of a security squadron up
there. Talk about the the culture that
you saw and if it's evolved since you came in.
I know it's always different when you're kind of a younger
guy watching it. But as you've moved more senior
in rank, what have you seen the evolution of our U.S. military?
It's interesting. We had almost no training on the
Constitution. I mean, looking back on it, I
didn't think it was a big deal, but we train on everything.
Annual training for, you know, Sapper, you know, sexual assault
prevention and response for insider threats and
cybersecurity stuff, for suicide awareness.
We train on everything every year, a big deal.
But we don't train on the Constitution.
And I I found that odd in looking back in hindsight that
that I never experienced any of that and as I've gone up in
rank, it was always imparted on me.
Hey, you have more responsibility and instead of
pushing the constitution, they were pushing the institution.
You you know we protect this house.
It was sort of an NFL shield kind of thing.
When I finally put on O5 commander in the Navy it would
be the Lieutenant Colonel in the other branches.
I I was pulled aside by my O6. My my captain, and he's
mentioned to me. Hey, you're now a senior officer
in the Navy. You're a field grade officer.
You're the lowest rank of senior officer, but you now have a huge
responsibility to protect the institution.
The institution comes first. I had a sidebar conversation
with him. He pulled me aside and and gave
me that lecture like, hey, now, now you protect the shield.
And I I can't think of anything that, you know, that set us up
more then this mindset from our senior leaders.
And it's been decades in in the making.
We're, you know, we got into this problem over decades.
We're not gonna get out of it in a short period of time.
It's gonna take a while. But we're gonna have to clean
out the institutional rot that is protecting all of our
institutions before they protect the principles that underlined
the Constitution. That is where we're at.
And we have that problem in the military.
From your story, you have that problem from the FBI.
We have that everywhere. It's it's the institution above
the Constitution. Do you think that it's because
people don't know what's in the Constitution or what their role
in defending the Constitution is?
'Cause I I see it goes both ways in the GSI, but I don't have any
eyes on sort of the senior military end of it.
I I think it's a little bit of both.
They don't understand what's in it, but they don't understand
the underlying principles either.
So how you defend it from the military perspective, we all
know a foreign adversary could come in and you know, overthrow
our constitutional way of life, you know, from an outside in
sort of thing. That's what we're there to
protect. It's it's the foreign threat,
the foreign adversary, that kind of thing.
But when we take our oath, we raise our right hand.
We say, you know, I swear to support and defend the
Constitution. It's not just against the
foreign enemy. It's all enemies, foreign and
domestic, right. So, well, I I've, I've talked
about this before in other interviews, but the Constitution
does 2 main things. It establishes the form of our
government, but then it sets individual liberties, individual
constitutional rights, as having primacy over everything else.
The Constitution is designed to protect individual rights, not
protect the institution from individuals.
So if you don't understand that it's individual rights that have
premacy, then you're missing the point of a Constitution.
There is no greater thing an American can do in defending the
Constitution than defending individual constitutional
rights. And so our senior military
leaders have completely set that aside and they only focus on
foreign. And when you know, they are
asked to trample on individual rights, it's not a second
thought for them 'cause there's no risk to them.
And so we, we have tried to impart some risk recently.
And you know, we, I, I wrote the Declaration of Military
Accountability. And you know, we have gone on
the offensive a little bit and and public speaking and those
kinds of things. But until we hold somebody
accountable for trampling the individual rights element, what
they were supposed to defend, the domestic enemy, we're gonna
keep having this problem. So folks, you can find the the
military accountability link that is in the show description.
You can find Rob's Twitter handle there as well and you can
click through and you can do that link.
And then also the book, we put the link to the Amazon book if
people want to do it. Is it fair to say that as a
junior person, maybe as a lower enlisted and maybe as a junior
officer, you're rightly focused because you're probably more in
the kinetic end of things that you're going to be doing that
that defense against the foreign and then as you move up and rank
that your job becomes more and more guarding the individual
liberties. I mean it seems like there may
be a bifurcation there and that and that that sort of it, it may
be a spectrum that changes and you kind of move from as rank
goes up. You might have to get more and
more aware of the fact that you're probably going to be
Pentagon based or you're going to be shoreside command based in
in a lot of places. Well, if there is a bifurcation,
I think it's an inappropriate 1:00.
Every single individual took that oath.
Every single individual has an equal responsibility to defend
against foreign and domestic enemies.
And so every single person has a responsibility to put that into
practice. If you've seen the video of
Senior Airman Lance Castle, of course, getting getting
attacked, those individuals who did that, we're trampling upon
his, his rights, and we're doing so based on a lawless agenda,
based on actual violations of the law.
And so you know from the lowest ranks to the highest ranks, we
have the same obligations there. Now as the senior ranks go, you
you get more strategic both against the foreign enemy and
the domestic enemy is the way it should be.
It should be the ideal. And you're strategic and
thought, you're thinking through, you know, much greater
campaign plans and things that that we have to put in place to
ensure that, you know, we're putting the right deterrence in
place for foreign adversaries. But we have ignored deterring
the encroachment into individual rights and it's been going on
for a very long time, decades. You know, it's it's not just a
military problem. It's across society.
Your issue specifically at least came to a head underneath the
the COVID vaccine mandates, but didn't they kind of solve some
of these problems with the anthrax lawsuits?
Didn't didn't some of that get addressed at some point?
And then did we just forget it or how did that happen?
Well, I forget it. Certainly it it certainly seems
that way. So in 2000, you know, one, they
came out with mandates. It was roughly that time frame.
There was a lawsuit filed afterwards.
And then Dovi Rumsfeld, the plaintiffs, won in that case and
the ruling was, hey, DoD broke the law in 2005.
Shortly afterwards, Congress put in place laws protecting service
members from having to receive emergency, you know, use
authorized products, investigation on new drugs,
things like that. It's always been an inalienable
right. Human beings have bodily
autonomy rights and without, you know, going through, you know,
5th Amendment processes like we always retain those rights.
So Congress, you know, giving a statutory law, it's a lower
level law and and certainly a good one to say, hey, you know,
you can't experiment on service members, but the principle has
always been there. The constitutional principle,
you know, it has supremacy over the statutory laws that have
been enacted by Congress. And so you know, you're you're
in a situation where no one understands any either of those
things. The Department of Defense
completely trampled both the statutory law and the
constitutional rights in enacting the COVID-19 mandates.
And so, yes, of course, they completely ignored, you know,
both what happened with anthrax and then the laws that were
enacted afterwards by Congress to protect service members.
Did those laws layout punishment for those who violated them?
Are they is that part of the the DoD statute that that are
protecting? No, it it doesn't layout.
You know, specific punishments, but it does layout rights.
It does state that that service members have a right to accept
or refuse an emergency use product.
Emergency use products were the only things provided to service
members or you know, any American actually, now that
we've gone and done the research and so we've always had the
right to refuse. And and so trampling upon that
right and demanding that you, you know, accept the
government's decision on your, you know, personal risk for, you
know, health risk. Completely insane to me, but
also a very clear violation of both statutory law and
constitutional rights. So my experience would be very
different than yours as a guy who came and enlisted.
I also came enlisted at 27. So when I remember going through
basic, there was a sort of attitude.
It's like now you belong to the department of the Air Force son.
Like you know you might as well get it tattooed on your butt
kind of thing. And I was like, no, I'm, I'm a
grown man. I have all kinds of rights and
you have no say in them. Like that's not going to be the
case. But for an 18 year old who's
getting very, you know, formed in their mental thinking that
impacts them. So they think, you know, I
better ask you for a tattoo. All these other kind of deals,
does the did the Department of the Navy sort of do that same
sort of indoctrination like you have less rights than a regular
citizen. Do they put that mentality out
there as as those? I'm I'm curious on the officer
side as well because the enlisted side, it's kind of like
you better ask permission before you do anything.
And you know, even just travelling outside of a certain
radius, you know, there's all kinds of restrictions that fall
on you. But none of those are your
personal bodily autonomy, as you just stated.
But there is that attitude that it's like, well, you kind of
signed up for this. You you get whatever we send
you. That's your job.
To a certain extent, that does happen.
I mean, it's it's officer enlisted.
It's everywhere. You know that, hey, your
government property. Hey, you.
You have accepted certain restrictions.
Yeah. It's completely wrong.
It's in defiance of, you know, the clear constitutional
principles that we don't lay down our citizenship when we,
you know, join voluntarily, join the service.
And so yes, we do give up, you know, certain freedoms.
We we, you know, we retain all of our basic human rights,
right? We our basic constitutional
rights. We retain those.
But you can be told, hey, you've got to wear this uniform, you've
got to wear this unit patch, You have to cut your hair a certain
way. We are giving up those basic
freedoms in order to serve and you know, potentially sacrifice
on behalf of the security of the nation.
What what cannot happen though is that the government take
everything away. The government use you, as you
know chattel property and assume that you have no rights.
And so that that is where you know where do you draw the line
on what's permissible and what's not.
It's far smarter. People have been working on this
for centuries and and you know, there's UCMJ and there is legal
precedent set and those laws have been pretty well defined.
The judicial precedence has been pretty well set.
And yet in this particular case, and I demonstrated in the book,
they have violated those basic, you know, lines in the sand that
have been drawn by historical precedent, legal precedent, both
statutory and constitutional rights.
So they have gone way too far in assuming federal power over the
individual. And it's it's forced thousands
of us to stand up and say something about it.
Do you think that if there were statutory penalties laid out in
some of these whistleblower protection laws, in some of the,
you know, the the rights to not take a emergency youth
authorization drugs, would that have been a barrier that would
have at least been a better stop sign or a flashing light on the
stop sign that let these people not not kind of trample over the
individual liberties that were that were being trampled?
I I absolutely do think that that would help.
Now whether that's the right thing to do or not, I I don't
know. I I'm beginning to be of the
opinion that we have legislated ourselves to death, right.
There's 1000 laws out there and you can be walking across the
street and breaking a certain law.
And having been from the law enforcement side, I mean it's it
you probably understand very well that you can, you can use
those kinds of things while you, you know, never talk to police,
right. Yeah, I want my lawyer.
That's what you say. Just because you can be
entrapped into, you know, becoming the, the target of an
investigation, you know, because you've, you know, maybe broken
three laws in the course of a day.
You had no idea. We're on the books.
So there are, you know, thousands of laws that you
couldn't read the entire, you know, all the titles of of, you
know, American statute in the course of a year.
I get you just couldn't sit down and do it.
So, So is it the right thing to do to dictate what all the
penalties are for everything? Probably not.
But the principle you're talking about, I think, is absolutely
something that we need to have. We need to have accountability,
we need to have repercussions for people who break the law.
And it's why. It's why we went and named the
military Admirals and generals who did.
You know, we do have evidence broke the law.
That's why we named them in the Declaration of Military
Accountability, which everybody can find on military
accountability.com or.net. It'll take you to the same spot.
And it's why we laid out our plan to, you know, since no one
else is doing it. Congress isn't doing it.
Our own leaders aren't doing. Executive branch isn't doing it.
We're gonna hold them accountable ourselves.
And so we we lay two ways out that we're gonna do it.
For those of us who run for office, we're going to introduce
legislation to reduce their retirement income to 0.
For those who are, you know, have proven to broke the to
break the law. And then for those who reach the
authority to do so, we'll talk to the secretary of the services
or Secretary of Defense. We're gonna recall these
Admirals and generals from retirement for court martials,
so they'll get the full, you know, proper judicial treatment.
It's gonna be fair. It's gonna be, you know, blind
justice. We're gonna do it right.
But the point is to introduce that personal risk.
So if you're going to make a decision to trample individual
constitutional rights, you had better make sure that it is.
It is perfectly justified, It is moral.
It is ethical because our intention, and this is a long
term time horizon project. Maybe it's gonna take decades,
but our intention is to make sure that there is an element of
personal risk to those who are making those decisions.
Cause historically it has not been the case the the, the
people at that level, at the, you know, three and four-star
level, they've gotta, you know break some egregious law, you
know in some sort of personal behavioral issue for there to be
any accountability. And that's, you know, we're not
seeing that in any other aspect of of, you know, legal
precedence for these leaders. You've gotten you kind of talk
to us a little bit about the ongoing training.
I think federal employees get the same thing as DoD when it
comes to sexual assault and whistleblower and all this other
kind of stuff. Do they ever talk about sort of
like your responsibilities, the the burden of command, like what
your liabilities are when you engage in maybe executing an
unlawful order? Have you ever had any
specialized kind of discussions other than with your buddies?
Is there any formal version of that?
They they do a lot of training for those who are going to take
command. It's it's a lot of training on
the responsibilities, on accountability on the
authorities that you have. They do talk a lot.
There's a lot of discussions and there's a lot of training on
legal as well. But what they're trained to do
unfortunately is rely on the Jag, ask Jag, go to your Jag.
The Jag is the Judge Advocate General.
It's your it's your legal officer.
You know, they have a legal license.
They've been through law school, but they are officers in the
military. And what we've seen though is
that the Jag Corps, and I speak about this in the book, and I, I
name the names least on the Navy side, Admiral Crandall,
apparently very politicized. And what they did is they,
without doing the legal due diligence on what their
commanders wanted to do, you know what the administration
asked them to do without doing the legal due diligence, They
just marched forward. And they instead of trying to
make sure that we were following the law, the Jag corps circled
the wagons to protect the commanders.
And that's historically what they've done for a long time.
They are there to make sure that if the commander wants to do
something, they find a loophole for him to do it.
They make sure that they find some way to to protect him if it
goes bad. But there's you know you've
heard it said before I I have certainly they say hey I want to
go to X and he'll turn to the Jag and say make sure this is
legal. And the Jag corps, the Jag
officer said he what he hears is make this legal And so that's
that's the scenario I believe that played out in the last
three to four years especially with the COVID mandates.
So I guess the big question is why?
Why? Why push something that people
had some, you know, heels dug in on and and were willing to lose
their job over it And we're willing to, you know, maybe even
face a court martial, things like that.
And they obviously a lot of people got kicked out of the
service over it. Why would they do that?
I, I, I try to figure that out, and and I just can't, right?
Like, why do we have sin in the world?
You know why? Why?
I mean, we're never gonna solve all these things.
There is an element of careerism, selfishness in all of
this. And you know, I'm still, you
know, I've written articles and I've written op eds and I'm
trying to bring attention to a lot of the different things here
that that seem to provide evidence that not only are we,
you know, have we broken the law, but are continuing to dig
our heels in and not like, right these wrongs not address this
head on. You know that hey, as an
institution, military, we made a mistake.
Let's fix this. So I I've tried to bring in some
evidence of the recruiting issues and why the betrayal of
trust has gotten us to the situation where you know we're
41,000 service members under target for recruiting in in you
know this coming year. So like I'll give you a couple
examples, couple numbers at the in, in the height of the
pandemic if you you know if you want to call it that, at the
height of of of the fear at least we were 7000 and we had
7000 gaps at sea on operational sea duty billets.
So for all of our ships you know 250 plus ships in total we
should have had 7000 more people operating those ships.
So they're undermanned, understaffed, under equipped and
in the years since that has ballooned to over 21,000 gaps at
operational sea duty billets. So it's tripled.
And when I bring this to our leaders attention, you know,
they they ignore it, they don't care.
They'll pat themselves on the back.
Oh well, you know we've applied this additional amount of money
to resources. We've we've pulled these great
sailors from these other shore duty billets and we've made them
recruiters. And you know I'm, I'm Privy to
some communication at the three and the four-star level where
they're congratulating themselves on the changes month
to month and not looking at the drastic horrible downturn that
we've had that is not improving. And when you say, hey maybe
start with the 8500 Conscientious service members
that you kicked out, try to offer them back pay.
Try to do something to bring them back in, Rebuild trust that
the American people can tell their kids, oh, hey, you know
what? You could join the military
'cause they will defend your rights and not just use you for
some military industrial complex.
You know, war or something, right?
They're they're not just gonna risk your life in vain.
And so, you know, we have this situation where they're ignoring
all of these warning signs and they're digging their heels in.
So is there gonna be, are they gonna, you know, be?
I think they're aware. They're certainly aware that
there's a problem. But there is no moral courage to
do anything about it because I I believe it's all careerism.
I believe it's, you know, especially the three and the
four-star level. They're looking for board
memberships afterwards. They're looking for lucrative
deals. And we have a big problem with
that in the military. And so, you know, they just
don't wanna tip the applecart. Is it hubris?
Is it pride? Or is it a lack of humility
that's going on there if we're gonna take this into the moral
realm? I I can't speak to what's going
on inside the minds and the consciences of anybody else.
I mean, I I can only speak for myself in in those regards.
I have a lot of hubris, I have a lot of pride and a lot of sin.
So I I can only focus on myself there.
But there's there's certainly no acknowledgement of what's
happened. There's no acknowledgements,
even though we have federal courts who have ruled that the
DoD and individual services have broken the law.
I mean, they still won't acknowledge it.
They still won't publicly say, hey, our bad, let's fix this.
They're they're not, you know, I think Congressman Gates in a
recent hearing asked the Secretary of Defense.
Hey, you know, you kick these people out, are you gonna bring
them back? Are you gonna make any effort to
bring them back? And his answers was simple.
No, I will not. And so that's, that's the
situation we're in. You know, it seems to be from
the top down to to dig, dig heels in.
And until we're willing to embrace the red, to focus on
what was done wrong, to completely hot wash all of this,
and then come up with solutions to rebuild trust, we're going to
continue to have these problems. It's interesting that you're
you're pointing out what I think of the same problems that we saw
at DoD going obviously down to my spice at the FBI.
But the Durham report was sort of this outside influence coming
in and investigating what happened with Trump and all
these other kind of political things we saw that were in the
background in the vortex of this and the thing that that Durham
said that was so disheartening to me, and I think so obvious.
But it's also what you just said about institution over
constitution, which I'm going to steal, by the way, 'cause I love
it. The thing that that he said is
that there was no law, there's no policy, there's no procedure
that would have solved this problem.
It was a values issue. And if we don't have federal
agents and federal employees that respect the Constitution
1st and know that this is their responsibility, then we're never
going to be able to legislate our way out of it.
And I think you've said a lot of the same things, but all these
different voices are saying the same thing from different
angles, from different viewpoints, from different
government agencies and departments, government, a
federal government issue. It seems like here's where I'm,
I'm very curious and I don't know if you have any visibility
to this, but I saw you call out Matthew Lohmeyer the other day
and we've had him on the show here.
He talks a lot about cultural Marxism and it's rot that it's
done to the military. The one thing we know about
Marxism is that it's a a collectivist idea, which is to
say the institution over the individual, which is a lot of
what you've just said. Do you think there is a Marxist
or a cultural Marxist, the sort of collective attitude that is
driving some of this in the promotion structure?
Is it, does it come from the top down?
Does it come from the bottom up? Is it all the time?
Any thoughts that you have on that sort of subject, if you're
comfortable, Yeah. I'm not the expert on that.
You mentioned that I I called that Matt, just for clarity's
sake. It was a call out like, hey, we
should do something together. Yeah, this is.
This guy's he's he's got it. So Matt's great.
We've we've chatted before and his book that's where you know
send everybody to that book cause that's that's the book
that describes what's going on in the military with Marxism so
irresistible revolution. Check that out.
Matt Lomer does, does a great job in describing, you know,
from his perspective what he's seen in terms of the Marxist
influence in the military. And and I can only echo you
know, Matt, that yes, I mean I've seen it too.
Certainly where collective principles are placed over
individual rights And you know, at the senior, you know, at the
senior ranks it it's gonna be hard to decipher whether they're
a Marxist or whether they're, you know, careerists and just
want to go along with, you know, whatever the latest narrative or
agenda is from the top. But we certainly have a
principles problem in the military And you know, based on,
you know, Matt's research and Matt's experience, I would say
yes, there there is Marxist influence and so a lot of that
as well. And so in other words, you've
seen. Some of this, I mean, you're
obviously familiar with the story, and I wasn't trying to
say you were calling about. I thought it was like a cool
thing. You were saying, hey, we need to
get together and teach some of these service academies about
the things that we know our problems and who better than
people that have experienced them.
Do you think that that's permeated the Navy as well as it
across the board? It's not just unique to Air
Force, Space Force, which is, you know, a little different
animal than than some of the other fighting forces.
Yeah, it's. It's.
Certainly across the board the same leadership cultural
problems we have are you know DoD wide right now and I will
say for the institution versus the constitution you mentioned
that and and stealing it and please spread it around check
out and and maybe have people go check out my latest article I
real clear defense it's the institution of the constitution
unraveling the COVID-19 mandates for the joint force in that.
I wrote that with Vice Admiral Dean Lee.
He's a retired three star Coast Guard Admiral.
And you know, we we've had no help from any active duty,
Admiral General to help, you know, fight for constitutional
rights. And you know, 'cause they
circled the wagons around the institution, right.
A few of the retired Admirals and generals took, you know,
great personal risk. You know, they lost friends over
it. But they have come to our aid
from a strategic leadership perspective and have joined in
the fight. And I certainly talk about
calling out people. I certainly want to mention Vice
Admiral Dean Lee. I I hope, you know, if you have
me on again, I'll, I'll see if he'll come and join us, 'cause
he got a lot of wisdom. He's a great Christian guy and
and he understands this fight in in a way that many people don't.
Let's let's pivot a. Little bit to the values thing
and and specifically COVID-19 I want to go to prior to the
mandates, I want to go to what you saw and what you perceived
personally. So this is obviously not
representing anything that's happening on the force wide, but
what did you a man, a father, a husband Catholic see in let's
say January to June of 2020 as we're hearing the so-called
pandemic and it's rolling out and you're in what Rhode Island
at the time, is that right, Rhode Island?
OK. So you're east.
Coast I had a. Similar.
I was in Virginia, so I was outside of DC What were you
seeing and what were you perceiving news What were you
taking that and and digesting and and what were you saying,
you know what was true and what was not in your in your mind.
Yeah, I spoke a little bit about.
This in the book. At first you don't know what to
expect. I mean, there is a lot of fear.
There's a lot of, hey, what is this thing?
Is it gonna kill 75% of the world's population?
Like we have no idea. It did not take me long.
You could you could count the days on, you know, one hand, the
number of days where it took me to realize that that, hey, this
this isn't going to be what they say it is.
You know, this fear mongering is not, does not seem to be
accurate. And what made me realize that is
for the most part and this is a principles issue, I try to see
things in the world from a spiritual warfare perspective.
And and so from that perspective I'm watching who has values that
are more similar to mine, you know who, Who puts their
spiritual life 1st and who's you know, living some different
values, You know whatever those values are hedonistic or or
something else, right? Or you know anti God, anti
authority anti whatever. I mean I could just be naming
all the all the bad things but I'm not going to.
So I'm I'm looking at the differences and for the the
people that go on you know may were making media appearances
during that early time in the pandemic.
It was it was the people who most had my values kind of an
eternal outlook. Believed in God, believed in
heaven and hell who were offering caution.
Who are saying, let's let's wait and see, let's take care of
people, let's try to do things right.
But you know, we don't need this fear, right?
And for me and my wife, as we were navigating all this, he
said, hey, if we're taken, we're taken, but we're going to, you
know, put God first. We're not going to live in fear,
you know, we believe that, you know, if we die in the state of
grace, you know, we're we're going to have eventually get to
heaven. So that's that was our
perspective. The folks who were most
clamoring for fear. The folks you know, who
apparently you know, don't believe in God, don't believe in
heaven and hell, and they're grasping desperately for this
life because they don't believe in an afterlife.
It doesn't appear that way. The same people who clamor for a
so-called right to, you know, kill their children in the womb,
Those were the people using language.
Like if it just saves one life, if it just saves one life.
We need to do all these tons of mitigation measures and the and
and the disparate application of saving one life blew my mind and
it opened my eyes to how ludicrous this whole thing was
for me. Right.
And so you know I'm a I'm a pro-life Catholic.
And, you know, if it just saves one life, there are, you know,
hundreds of thousands of different ways we could apply
federal dollars or, you know, not send $100 billion to Ukraine
or whatever, that we could develop programs to just save
one life, right? For for the unborn and, by the
way, your body. Bodily autonomy be damned on
that one the God forbid. It's like the people, the, the,
I don't know, the the amusement of the ideas that must run into
each other at full speed. It was complete for me in 2020.
I don't know if you saw the same thing.
It's like, how strong is that cognitive dissonance that you're
saying? Yeah, just one life and we must
infringe on all your civil liberties as you walk around.
By the way, we we still really want to kill babies all the way
up to the point after they're born, 'cause they're really
inconvenient. It's it's such a strange, it's
such a strange position to try to stake out.
There's no intellectual honesty whatsoever.
So you were seeing that. What about the death count?
Did you see the death count on the on the TV's that were
running? But out of curiosity, what what
TV's are on Almost all offices I see these days that are
government have a news feed of some kind piped in somewhere.
What? What television programs were
being watched in the places that you were working?
It's. It's mostly.
Like MSNBC or CNN, because of the language used nowadays,
folks were, you know, even if they were a more conservative
person than they preferred Fox News.
And by the way, at this point, I believe it's all, you know,
uniparty, you know, backing for globalists agendas, right.
I, I, you know, even when you get to what I previously
considered, you know kind of far right networks that aren't
mainstream, I'm still researching the money behind it
because I don't trust it. So you know you gotta go to
places like this. You gotta go to your show.
Just two guys talking podcasters who have independence, right.
That's right. That's where you gotta go the to
try to get you know independent sources and I don't care if if
you're left-leaning or right leaning or whatever.
I just don't trust the money behind it and none of those
people should either go go find individual people.
So anyway, yes, the my body, my choice thing was, was crazy
because it meant one thing for certain people and another thing
for other people. And then when you got to the
death counts, and I'm glad you brought that up, it started with
death rates. And this is what blew my mind.
I wrote about this in the book. I think the chapter was Pandemic
of Fear might be Chapter 4 in the book but when the death
rates the death rates you know they they were a little higher
up front and there are some reasons I think that Death Race
and this is not the the podcast nor am I the expert to get into
it but you know Remdesivir protocols and no no
antibacterials for people with post COVID pneumonia like are
you kidding me like those kinds of things when it has a chance
that they just threw out all. Normal medical treatment, they
were like, don't come in unless you're dying.
And when you're dying, then we're gonna intubate you, which
is the one way we take away your airway, you know, airway.
And we put you on these, these sedatives so we can we relax all
your your, your diaphragm, and we're going to take over.
Like what? You never do that.
You always support respiration. I'm a paramedic, so I did that
for a decade. I can speak a little bit to it,
but it's like you always support the, you know, the lowest level
of intervention is normal. And they went like, Nope, we're
just going to do weird stuff right off the gate.
It looked really weird for me. I'm sure you saw the same.
Oh yeah, I mean, we're talking. I mean just to be clear for all
your audience, we're talking about institutionally encouraged
and then mandated murder and and anyway so the death counts were
a little higher up front and as the death count started, you
know, going lower, they switched to or sorry the death rates, the
death rates were higher initially.
And as the death rates compared to people who you know got the
virus and started recovering and you know certain good doctors
are trying to do the right thing, those rates started to
lower. So the the fear mongers and and
the people, you know, I'll, I'll say it again, you know, the
globalist agenda. You know, Uniparty paid whatever
they they shifted to cumulative death counts.
And it is just to make. People like, oh man, you know,
another 100,000 people died. You know, you do have the
motorcycle accidents came in and they, the hospitals got money.
They had to test for COVID because there's money behind
testing for COVID and then there's money behind getting a
positive. And of course for a death
there's more money for that. So you know, you it, I mean it's
it's it's a mess. I'm not the expert on it.
There are books out there about it, but.
But that is certainly what we saw early on and what, you know,
my wife and I had the decision was, you know, we're we're not
gonna do any of this. We're not gonna hide the image
of God that we've been given our faces.
My wife never wore a mask. My children never wore one.
You know, they never saw me wear one.
And so, you know, to my shame, I compromised on that element for
a for a little while and then eventually, you know, I I'm
never gonna do that kind of thing again.
And I did refuse all COVID testing and and that was part of
why I ultimately got fired and then exiled.
So it was not just refusing the vaccine, but refusing testing
and refusing some of those other protocols.
So you got banned from my building for a while.
That was that was fun. But my wife is the truly
courageous person behind all this.
You know, she was the one kind of pushing me like, you know, in
into this fight. You know, she was, you know,
getting you know, dressed down and standing, you know, standing
down grocery store managers and and things like that, you know,
in front of all the kids. Like she's the one with true
courage. So she actually, she tells this
story and and she's been invited to do a podcast with feds for
for freedom and she tells a story of when she, you know,
turned to me and called me a coward.
So I had. To I had to dig in deep.
Yeah, well. There's some interesting sort of
commonalities there that you and I share, 'cause I also refused
those COVID tests and they told me every 72 hours.
And I was like, I'm not outing myself that way.
To everybody else, it's none of their business.
But also and and I was kicked out of my building.
Did you get a wall? Did they put you on a wall at
all for that? No, but I had a lot of.
Service members who were reaching out.
So there was tons of us trying to protect others and service
members were reaching up, reaching out to us with that
exact issue. That's what they they did to my.
Fennel service and you're going like, I'm not AWOL.
I showed up. You told me to go home, 'cause
they wouldn't let me in the building.
Like what are you a holes doing that's not real standing
standing in the heat of the. Day, you know, out there outside
the building, you know, 'cause they can't go in.
And this this poor young lady, she's a, she was a dentist and
and she wouldn't do the test. And so they, you know, they
eventually started trying to call her AWOL.
Then they started talking about sending her to behavioral health
because she must be crazy for not.
Yeah, like that kind of stuff. So she actually reached out to
me and I wrote about this in the book.
She reached out to me and said, I'm very concerned that they're
going to force me into behavioral health and then force
medicate me with with with stuff and and so yeah, there was some
of that going on in the military and you saw some of that, you
know, in in the video with Lance Castle like that.
They were what did they hit him? Do you know what they hit?
Things. Do you know what they injected
him with? Was that a sedative?
No. So.
I don't think he got forcibly injected with anything.
Now he and I haven't had a chance to talk.
I saw it in the video. They.
Injected him with something.
It's in the video that we've shared.
You can well, so here's the thing.
I got an eye for this sort of thing.
It's like that's my sedating a patient is something you do when
they're combative sometimes, and so hitting him with a benzo or
something like that to drop them down a level, people do that for
excited delirium. There's all these different
protocols, but I watched them. They the the dogpile happened on
arms and legs, which is where you go first.
Then they controlled his torso and somebody injected him with
something, but we don't know what.
So I don't know, maybe I can talk to him.
I also wonder if I ran across him at some point in time in my
Air Force career, 'cause he looks really familiar.
He's got that kind of face that looks familiar.
But it would not surprise me that I, because of the way that
I feel like God has been moving in a lot of this, that I've just
run across people that have no business having any common
connection to. I want to ask the the difficult
question, How did your church respond?
How was your faith community responding to this in the
Northeast 'cause I saw a lot of them do the opposite of courage
and I'm curious if yours was the same.
Yeah, that. That is the first time I've been
asked that question. It is, it is the toughest one.
We were at a fraternity parish in the Diocese of Richmond,
which is how I first heard of your of of your work and heard
your name, which thank you by the way, for your courage.
And so we that's where we were before the pandemic in 2019.
I got moved up to Rhode Island and you know I was not at the
fraternity parish in Richmond. Sorry, in in in where where we
were in in the Virginia Beach area.
But I've heard it could have been done better.
And what I what I will say though is I thank God for the
for the sake of my faith personally.
He had us move to where we were, 'cause we had a diocesan priest
who offered the traditional Latin Mass.
Very courageous guy. You can go find him.
He's, he's at Ipadre, I think on on Twitter.
Great, fantastic. He he is a spiritual father, a
wonderful man. Very courageous.
The the kind of person who would offer secret masses, the kind of
person who never enforced anything that that that violated
people's consciences. And we were there in in that
environment with that kind of leader and that helped get my,
you know, me and my family through the pandemic without,
without feelings of betrayal. And we're talking people who
believe like us, we believe in eternal life, right?
And so if we're so desperately grasping for this life, we have
something missing. And and you know, if you're if
you're willing to go along, especially with lies, when you,
when you realize that hey, the mask was a lie, there's no way
it could ever work. You've been?
Through C Bernie training, I'm sure of it, Everybody gets a
little taste of it. We yeah, we all know what a mop,
what a mop Level 4 looks like, and even that's not guaranteed
to save you and it's duct taping yourself to all the different
barriers and you're going to put over a piece of bandana.
I always tell people because it's just so easy.
But it's like you ever been in an elevator and smelled a fart
like that, Went through somebody's underwear and their
jeans, and then into your face. You think a bandana's gonna do
something to a virus? Like, come on, what are we doing
here? It's so silly and sad.
So you. The molecule size is very.
Different. Oh, of course it's so.
It's so simple. I mean, just a basic
understanding of size. I told somebody that I was also
gonna erect a a chain link fence in my backyard to keep the
mosquitoes out, 'cause that's that's the same mentality when
it comes to actual sizing. But your your church actually
stood together. See?
How many, how many people do you think experienced a priest that
said our forefathers in faith would have died over this.
They offered Masses in the catacombs around the stinking
corpses in order to continue to celebrate when it was when it
was outlawed. And then other people just like
my church, they just shut it down.
Oh, nobody in the cry room. It's dangerous.
And you're like I got crying little kid.
I got these little people. They're they're not going to be
able to do this and they're certainly not going to wear a
mask you know and and they shut it down I will say for.
For a lot of those churches, the fear is was not of the virus
like 'cause. 'Cause they?
'Cause you know, especially for these, you know, traditionally
leaning, you know, Orthodox, believing, you know, Catholic or
Catholic Catholic churches, the fear wasn't of the virus.
The fear was of getting shut down by the Bishop, right?
Or by the OR by the. Local health authorities or.
Whatever was gonna come in some government intervention, right?
Which is still Fear of man. Yes, so my.
Issue with it all is it is a fear based decision and we're
called to act encouraged and so you know there's prudence there
too. So I I, I have tried much more
recently to not judge as best as possible the the prudential
decisions of others who actually have authority over the church.
I don't have, I only have authority, you know, in my own
family and over my own body. And so, you know, I I don't, I
don't want to second guess other people's decisions about
prudence. I I will just say that had I
been there at the time and at my level of spiritual maturity, it
might have been very dangerous to my fate.
And so God had had moved me somewhere else and I and I got a
somebody who had much more of our style of, you know, fighting
back. I guess so, yeah.
But but God works those ways. He knows people's strengths and
weaknesses and you know, everybody has has what they
need. So yeah, it's it's quite.
Interesting to me, our faith journey was that my wife was
coming into the Catholic Church at that point in time and had
been raised without religion, and so we saw them shut this
down. We went to New Mexico.
New Mexico was actually more open than than Virginia.
That doesn't make any sense cause New Mexico's very
left-leaning and very blue and you just kind of like, wait,
what? But all of that ended up kind of
driving us hard into it. It's like, OK, well we're only
going to accept sort of intensity now.
It's got to be full bore. And then of course every once in
a while God will put you to a decision for all your chips,
which you've been in that fight. Let's talk about setting that
red line. I always say prepare repair, you
probably heard me say it in the ad reads.
But I think that that affects both our spiritual life, our
financial life, our physical life, our our our fitness.
But but being able to do it with your faith and being able to do
it with your values because if you don't know what the what
your stance is on a challenge and you get challenged, often
times you will falter. That's the reason why we do
basic trainings. That's why we do stress
inoculations for for military training.
You want to talk about some of that mentality and and maybe how
many people lost ground during that time because they hadn't
had that chance. Most of us didn't know it was
coming. I think that's fair.
Yeah. So.
I. Like to talk about it as a fifth
generation war. It's a spiritual war.
It's a fifth generation war. Those are not exactly the same
things, but there's significant overlap.
And so if you are in a fifth generation war, you know, it's
it's a war for hearts and minds, a spiritual war, very similar.
It's a war for your for your heart, mind your soul.
If you are encouraged to go along with a lie and then you
compromise on that lie, you are ceding ground in the 5th
generation warfare. You're ceding ground in in your
own spiritual war. Right.
You're you're gonna, you're gonna compromise on something
that you know to be true. And the mask is a good example.
And so and I'll, I'll tell a couple stories like there was a
a a a recruit for the Navy who I got to talk to, you know, nine
months after this actually went down, he had joined the delay
entry program for the Navy. He, the mandate came out.
So before, you know, before it was during pandemic but before
mandate, mandate comes out, he calls his detailers and say,
hey, you know, I can't take this thing.
I'm not gonna do it. Can I go ahead and put a
religious accommodation in now before I show up, you know, and
of course, like recruiters, they do anything they can to make
sure they get the body, keep doing it, you know, hitting
their quotas like, oh, you'll be good.
You'll be fine. You know, government needs you.
You know, just you can take care of it when you get here.
So he shows up and he and a group of folks who don't want to
do it after the mandate are in their, you know basic training
at boot camp and they're they're isolated.
They, you know they do their their quarantine thing.
They're there's tape on the ground like 8 foot squares.
They've got to stay in. They're given one hour of
outside daylight in the course of two weeks And then they're
repeatedly I mean this is like straight from Russian gulag or
or some crazy they they bring them repeatedly in front of the
medical professionals and their leadership and they're harassed.
They're told you're the ones killing grandma.
They they verbally abuse them. It's psychological abuse.
And almost everybody in his boot camp class eventually caved and
eventually went along with this and like this is too much, you
know and and they they took the shot or or they they left.
He said no I'm going to serve. I'm going to stay in.
So he fought. He kept asking for to see a
chaplain, not even knowing that the chaplain visit in the in the
Navy is the very first thing you do to start your religious
accommodation process. They wouldn't even let him start
the request for an for a religious accommodation.
And they kept, you know, verbally abusing him.
So he served, his name's Owen. He served 39 days honorably, the
United States Navy before they ultimately kicked him out.
And I tell people what he did in standing up for his conscience.
He won his Fifth Generation Warfare battle.
We're all gonna face him. Owen won his and and he left.
That left boot camp honorably. And he served honorably for 39
days. And I'll tell you, he served
much more honorably than a significant number of our
Admirals and generals who have served almost that number in
years because they have compromised, you know, for a
career and Owen did not. And so that's, that's the level
of decision, that's the level of fight we're going to have to
take to win back our constitutional rights.
From my own story, my wife and I made the decision, you know,
when they were threatening court martials and we were starting to
see people kicked out and getting on their DD2 fourteens
at your exit, you know, paperwork from the military
Commission of a serious offense. And we typically reserve that
for assaults and you know, armed robberies and things like that.
It's very serious offences and and you put the threat of court
martial together with that, it it can come with jail time.
And so we made the decision that, you know, when they were
threatening court martials, that I'm gonna go to jail before I go
and violate my conscience and go get this biological agent
injected into my body. And so we even built a plan,
like I, you know, called my parents.
Hey, we're gonna, you know, we'll send my wife and my kids,
they're gonna come down, live with you.
I'll serve my time in prison and then I'll get out and, you know,
swing hammers and dig ditches or whatever.
Like, that's the level of decision that we made together
as a couple. And it wasn't a hard one.
It was a 5 minute conversation. Like, OK, how far are we willing
to go for what we believe in? You know, you mentioned the
martyrs earlier and you, you mentioned, you know, mass and
the catacombs. If we don't get back to that
level of uncompromising. Faith and met with action, then
you know the country's gonna fail.
But more importantly, the individual and their fight for
their eternal soul. That is what's most at risk, and
that's what everybody should be most concerned about.
You've mentioned it. Twice now.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna hone in on it.
The critical importance of a united household, of a spouse
that's willing to push as hard or harder than you will.
I had the same experience with my wife.
I came to her at one point. I was like I might did I miss
the thread, 'cause you always got to ask yourself unless
you're a sociopath, right? Am I just completely missing
what's going on here? If I'm.
I'm the odd man out. Is it me?
Am I the problem or is really it.
Am I really the one guy standing against the many saying that
everybody else is yes you are all wrong.
And and I came to my wife and I said, should I just get the
shot? Is that the right answer?
Do we just get it and just suck it up and and then retired and
she was like absolutely not. Like under no circumstances
you'll figure it out. Like you said swing a hammer dig
ditches. I actually preferred that to a
lot of the work that I've done in my life.
I find that very meaningful to use my hands.
So that was kind of a it's like OK.
But the critical piece was is you got to have that brain trust
that backstop of a spouse or close friends or whatever it is
in people's lives. Will you talk about maybe what
set your marriage up for this sort of test?
Cause for a lot of people to test for you?
A 5 minute conversation that was about the same with mine.
It's like, no. And it's like oh OK good.
We're on the same page then. Good.
How do you, how did you set your marriage up for that success?
Obviously you didn't know what was coming for you, but it was.
We were aligned spiritually from early on.
Now you know in our marriage I'm I'm probably the weaker 1,
frankly. She's she is deep strength and
maybe a lot more aggression too when when she has a feeling
about what's right and wrong you know she she will go on offense.
So a lot of a lot of what I am have done in projecting is it's
really from it's really from her.
So I think the set up is that you you got to be aligned
spiritually with your with your goals and for your family and
spiritual life. But if you're not, if you're not
communicating and you're not aligned on on the the important
things, then it's gonna be much harder.
Not impossible. I do know one Air Force 06 who
made it through he was part of our kind of inner circle
fighting back at the strategic level in the military.
And there I mean there's a group of us you'll see a lot of those
names on you know signatures on the declaration of military
accountability. But in the case of this one Air
Force officer, his wife was completely opposed to his
stance. And to see this the the the
drain on him trying to lead, trying to make a decision for
himself and then not having the support at home, it can be
devastating. You know their marriage has
survived that, so it's not impossible, but that's A2 front
war. That's a lot harder.
I could. I can't.
Imagine I've told, I've told him before like I I just can't
imagine having fought that without, you know, my wife
sitting there using me as the body, you know, the body shield
to to push me into the fight. I'm I'm just kidding.
That's our job though, that. I mean that.
Is our role. So I've talked to Mark out you
may you know probably know who he is and I have met him.
Yeah, I handed. Him a copy of the book and I'm
so honored to meet him. He's he's a really good guy.
And one of the things he talks about is sort of the role of
men, which I think has been lost with the sort of weak culture
that we have 'cause we keep pushing weakness.
But he says men's job are leader, protector and provider.
And I think that breaks down something.
I mean, we all have different words for the same sort of
thing. But yeah, your job, if you're
going to be the protector, that means you are the human shield.
And your wife is supposed to push you out there and be like,
hey, go solve this problem. The world is coming for us.
Get to the front of The Cave. It is your job to make sure that
the ones behind you, they don't see what happens out there.
That's that's where men are supposed to go into the fight.
That's why we signed up for the military, I think.
Yeah, I love that analogy. That's that is great.
I I might have to steal that. Take it.
It's yours. I'll so.
I'll tell you this is real simple.
When I was deciding to enlist at 27 is later than most you
commissioned it probably what, 22 years old?
Something like that, Yeah. Right around there.
So I. Got five more years of being.
Dumb, retarded. As my chat likes me to say,
'cause I grew up in the 80s and and you know, you just say these
kind of things, It's like, yeah, I was foolish.
And I started reflecting on my life.
It's like, what would my role be in society 10,000 years ago?
Where would I be? And my job would be hunting
Buffalo and laying out in the grass for three days to be able
to bring down food or standing out there in front of an, you
know, an enemy tribe and making sure they don't come from my
people in the village. So when I put myself in sort of
a very simple world, that was my thought.
And it's the same role when you become a father because now you
got a little tribe, you got a big tribe.
Actually, you got a pretty good sized tribe back there.
It's. It's your.
Job to be at. The mouth of The Cave to make
sure that the little ones behind you and and show your sons what
it looks like. And soon they stand shoulder to
shoulder and now you got even a bigger front, right?
But if we're not doing that, are we even doing our job as men?
And so I I love that Mark Halke always puts that out there,
'cause if that's how you go after the DoD, that's how you go
after the DOJ and stand in the way and say no, you know you're
you're Gandalf on the, on the, on the bridge, you know, hitting
the staff. You shall not pass.
This is where I stand. I may go down into the gap, too.
That's the other piece. A lot of us, you know, get are
going to get dragged for a while.
But I appreciate that it talks about this.
So we we have this little badge. You've probably seen this.
We're going to get you one of them.
If it's all right with you, I'll send it to you.
You can wear it or not, but you can have it for sure.
It's, it's a sign of white martyrdom.
Is is really what we're talking about here.
And you want to kind of discuss the concept of the white martyrs
and the red martyrs. Are you familiar with that?
Sort of that framing of the world, 'cause I think a lot of
people, every time I say it, they go like, man, I never heard
it. It's like, well, a lot of people
know, let's talk about white martyrdom.
Yeah, so. You certainly can speak to it
better than I can, but it's a, you know, St.
Maximil and Colby kind of thing, right?
You, you, the white martyrdom where you're not gonna
necessarily be killed. You know you're not shedding
your blood for your faith, but you're gonna endure significant
harassment, struggle. People are are going to come for
you, make this hard. You know, you've mentioned Mark
Hauck. He talks about, you know, he
realized in the course of, you know, him getting shackled and
and dragged around and humiliated, you know, for
protecting his son because he was of the wrong persuasion on a
on a political issue because he stood for life that it was the
the process was the punishment. That's that's what he described
in in the talk I heard with him when when when I had the honor
of meeting him. You know that that's the white
martyrdom. Now, are are we also going to
like St. Maximi and Kolbly get the get
the red, the crown of red martyrdom?
I don't know. Now that's that's left to be
seen. But if we don't take that stand
you're talking about I I love the analogy.
If we don't get to the front of The Cave, the enemy's gonna get
in The Cave and the chances are much greater.
So we've got to take that stand. We've got to endure whatever the
white martyrdom is for now and be willing to make it red if if
we're going to have any chance of of keeping this country, what
it was passed down to us, as I want to be respectful of your.
Time and give you time because I know you got another meeting
coming up here. Let's talk about just the last
thing, the cost, because there is a cost professionally,
personally, you know, there's a spiritual cost, 'cause it's just
a heavyweight to carry. But can you talk about some of
those things a little bit? And then we'll we'll plug the
the book and we'll show people where they can get all that kind
of stuff. But it's the cost is not
nothing. It's not nothing.
But it's insignificant in terms of of eternal rewards.
I mean, you've probably heard of Pascal's Wager, right?
You, you, you make a a temporal wager of of some of your time in
order to potentially get an eternal reward.
Any cost we pay in that environment is is minuscule.
But I will say for me personally, I mean I I had a
command opportunity taken for me.
I had a year long in residence or college opportunity.
I was going to get another master's degree.
I was already slated for it. That got taken my exile of seven
months. You know I told only to call in.
That was my only duty. I did that for three weeks.
I stopped taking the call. You know, it could be it's
pretty isolating. It's meant to be some form of
psychological warfare. But all of that is minimal
compared to what other people went through.
There were there were court. There was at least one court
martial just learned about another one with the senior
recruit Castle or sorry senior airman Castle people went
through devastating things and one Navy SEAL stood up for his
own rights and he he refused to take the shot.
He got isolated with with other seals they were given menial
labor doing yard work stuff like that.
They weren't allowed they had their badge access to their
their unit building taken away. They had to get escorted when
they were told to come in to do, you know urinalysis drug test
like like a foreign like a foreign, you know, visitor or
something like it's it's insane that one of those Navy Seals,
his first name is Danny, he he was found as a suicide, you know
early in September after the mandate.
And you know, I was told by one of his his teammates, one of the
other Navy Seals shortly after that, that the very last thing
that Danny did and for the last service he performed for his
country was yard work outside the building.
He was no longer allowed to enter like.
So the cost is significant and our leaders need to start by
acknowledging it and studying this and making sure that they
put in place things that that ensure this never happens again.
So for everything that you know, you, your your listeners, your
your viewers have endured in this fight or whether they went
along with this like this is the opportunity for us to join and
stand up for individual rights. Because if we don't, we're gonna
lose it. So the the cost is is tiny, but
the reward here is potentially infinite.
Very well said. And I wanted to pivot that to
your military accountability. This is the document folks.
Do you want to kind of talk people through that, Rob?
Just kind of let them know what the structure was, why you guys
did it Folks, you can go to the website, it's actually in the
show now. It's very easy to find, but I
want you to get a visual of it. It's not a graphic website.
It is a, it is a text based message first type website.
It's almost all text and it's, it's dense.
It looks like, you know, kind of like some famous documents
people may have seen in history. Yeah, sorry guys.
You're going to have to. Do a little reading if you if
you really want to get into it. But so the book had come out
July 4th, 2023. And I thought for sure, like
every time I've written something, I started writing in
October of 2021 written Mutiny complaints against Admirals and
and you know, filing, you know, anything I could do like, you
know, firing off emails and I mean just I've, I've fought with
the pen as best I could and so kept escalating and ultimately
it ended up being in the book and I realized that they're
ignoring the book. They're gonna continue to ignore
us. They sidelined us, 'cause they
don't wanna deal with the underlying issues.
They wanna they don't wanna have a discussion on the merits.
So I realized that they were gonna, even though I called out
names in the book as an act of duty 05, calling out my Admirals
like it's it's crazy they would ignore this.
So I ultimately said hey we gotta go on the offensive.
And so this is me. I spent a couple of weeks like
right in the first draft of that kind of honing it.
I want to make sure that we talked earlier about it, you
know, injecting some personal risk trying to ensure we have
accountability. And then ultimately you know we
we got some other folks kind of our strategic thinkers together.
They helped hone the words. We got it down to one page and
then went public with it. Brad Miller, he, he was the one
who, you know, we we said, hey, it's probably best coming from
him, 'cause he's not active duty and we sent it to the the active
members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
So probably not best coming from me, but so Brad, Brad sent that
off and you know he got 4 something million views shortly
after. So it resonated with folks.
So go check it out, the Declaration of Military
accountability. And it's it's us going on
offensive as best we can because you know, going to the American
people because they're ignoring us, they don't want to hear what
we have to say. I like hearing your little one
in the. Background that's simulating a
raid on your house by the Sergeants at Arms.
No, that's. This is what my house sounds
like all the time too, and and there's something kind of
comforting about knowing that there's little people running
around. That's what this is about, I
assume, right? It's about the next generation,
'cause I think ours is probably not going to be able to save it
in entirety. But maybe throwing ourself into
the breach is what lets your little ones who are out there,
you know, banging on the door trying to get in and see what
Dad's up to. Maybe they get a little better
slice, because it doesn't seem like we've kind of lost some of
the major principles in this country over the last 20 or 30
years we we have. It's we've gone from being, you
know, centered on on principles to centered on selfishness, and
then, you know, now ultimately flat out untruths.
And we're expected to, you know, vocally support people's, you
know, fantasies of things that aren't true.
And so, yeah, we've got to get back to the true principles if
we're going to have any hope. And it'll like we said earlier
in the show, it took us a long time to get here.
It's been a long, slow drag. It's accelerated certainly in
the last, you know, 5-10 years. So but it it, it won't be a
massive swing back really quick, I don't think, I think it's
going to take us a long time. It'll be our kids, you know, and
our grandkids, I think, are going to have to re establish
our country with proper principles.
Your Twitter says Rob Green 1010.
What's the 1010? Is that a thing?
Yeah, my 10/10 was my. Favorite number Playing baseball
in high school, but ten was taken.
Rob Green, 10, was taken. And so Brad Miller has Brad
Miller 1010. He does that because it's
birthday. But I was like, I'm going to
emulate him because I look up to him and he's a great guy.
So that's why Rob Green 1010, I love it.
All right, I'm going to throw it on the screen, right?
Here folks, this. So you're looking at the right
one. It's got a picture of the book
in the the icon. If you're watching us on Rumble
or if you're seeing us over on Twitter, you guys can follow Rob
at Rob Green 1010 and that is the bio pace you'll see there.
I love the the where, where's that image of the cross?
What is it? What is that, a Chapel
somewhere? Yeah, that's the portrait Cola.
In Franciscan University right there.
So it's really neat. A lot of time praying there.
I I went to a. Cistercian school when I was in
5th and 6th grade, and they had this incredible stone Chapel
that they had somehow built out of like this enormous pieces of
limestone. And then they did glass block
and then a cedar roof. And it looked like the roof was
levitating above you as you sat in there.
But it was so simple. It was just a rectangle, you
know? And they would do Gregorian
chant there. And that kind of gives me that
vibe, that kind of like a place of of actual sacred, which a a
lot of these churches now, they look more like they were built
in the 70s. They don't have that spirit to
them. Yeah.
Well, well, that, that one. 'S modeled after the one that
Saint Francis built by hand. And so it's it's meant to be a
replica of that. So it's very small.
It's it's, you know, the stones, you know, look like they're
dragged over and and constructed.
So I will say, if you go find me on social media, be patient with
me. I'm brand new to it.
I swore I would never get on social media, but I've been
encouraged to and and so we'll learn together.
I guess there are all those who follow me it it is a necessary.
Sacrifice. I go on there all the time now
and I spend a lot of time doing it.
But I I had a, a supervisor. He was like, he used to make fun
of people on social media. I was like, yeah, I still do.
I still make fun of it. It's a cesspool.
So I told people in the show notes that they want to follow
you on the cesspool of Twitter. They can do so.
And I put the link in there. I think you'll probably
appreciate that. There's nothing good about it.
Rob, thanks so much for for joining me today and sharing
your your sort of experience. But also I want to encourage
people to go and follow that book and and I want to wish you
really good luck. Because man, if if somebody's
not standing up there in all these different forums, this is,
this is the fight. It turns out for our generation.
Who knew after 20 years of war, this is actually the fight at
the home front, huh? Yeah, it's a domestic enemy.
We've got to combat, and I just want to thank you, thank you for
using this platform to to fight for individual liberty, to fight
for those principles and values. I mean, this is fantastic.
I'm so honored to to have an opportunity to talk with you.
Honor's all mine. I enjoyed.
It we'll we'll talk offline and we'll get you one of these pins
if you want it. Then if nothing else, you can
give it to your wife and she can wear it around 'cause it sounds
like she she also earned one. Thanks for joining me today,
buddy, and good luck on the rest of your day.
Thanks. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
that is it. That is the show for today.
I want to go ahead and say thanks to our affiliates that
also support the program and interestingly enough, Mad Hat
jerky.com/kyle promo code, Kyle 20% off, Mad Hat Jerky, their
marketing guy who's one of our listeners.
He used to teach at the high school that I went to in Dallas
and he said that I am proof that something good can come from the
high school. There's a lot of good things
that came out of there but kind of fun.
Guys go to Matt hat Jerky it's Matt with two TS hat with
1tjerky.com Fantastic jerky. I'm working my way through.
I'm I don't know if you guys do the same thing.
I always eat the things that I don't like first or I don't like
as much. I'm saving the The Gourmet Flank
this is the the Spicy ones. I'm saving the Gourmet Flank
Black Truffle and Garlic. Those are my 2 favourites guys.
Check them out and you'll get a high quality snack that's got a
lot of protein in it. It's easy to carry around with
you. It lasts for a good while, but
it is an edible thing. It's not something you say
forever Like some of our other sponsors.
Matt hat jerky.com/kyle, the promo code, Kyle will save you
20%. And then the same story over
there at Mike Lindell's. They've got some kind of a
conference call coming up thanking all the folks that are
promoting their website itsmypillow.com.
That will not be surprising to you, always fighting for the
conservative causes. But mypillow.com/kyle and you
can use the promo code Kyle to save up to 50% on towels and on
sheets and on slippers like my buddy Alpha loves to wear.
I don't know what the story is. I don't know how slippers go
with people who make towels and pillows.
But it is a thing and they do it and they do it in Minnesota.
Check them out mypillow.com/kyle if you guys want to support the
show, if you are in the market for such things.
And then last but not least, one of you in the chat and I and the
name slipped my my my mind. So I'm sorry about that.
I don't know who said it but they said man that is a really
cool shirt that is in the thumbnail.
That is from the suspendables.com.
It is the merch store for the suspendable crew.
You can buy your own version of the of the pin.
It is the white one. The black ones are only handed
out. These ones are for sale.
You guys can get three of them for 30 bucks if you want to hit
up the O'boyle family sweatshop. There's less sweating when it
comes to just shipping those out and you'll see there is the
rifle right on the screen with me, the rifle and the quill,
just like Rob was talking about at the Pen is my ear in the
sword. For now, whenever we can use it,
we want to do that sort of thing.
Use promo code Kyle to save 10% at the website
thedashsuspendables.com. You'll find all these links in
the show description. Very easy to do and you can find
it. You're looking for the night OPS
versions which are like that that that kind of cool, very
high resolution, green on black. That was the shirt for those who
didn't see our thumbnail. Anyway, support them.
Support the O boils. Support all of our sponsors.
If you guys like this, show is brought to you by that.
But make sure you have subscribed on Rumble if you are
not already. Go over it, hit the follow
button, do it on a computer and then you can hit the
subscription button. It's 5 bucks a month and you
will be supporting our program. It's brought to you by Catholic
Vote, by 4 Patriots, by Patriot, coolers.com, Mad Hat, Jerky and
my pillow. All those folks always use the
promo code. Kyle, Kyle, We keep keep it
simple and you can follow us at rumble.com/kyle Seraphin or on
all social medias at Kyle Seraphin.
I just keep it simple. I don't know.
It's my name. It's very easy to do.
Y'all. Let's do this real quick too.
Last thing, there's a couple of cool pictures of Commander Rob
Green. We'll do it while he's off the
screen. So he is not liable for
anything. These are public domain photos,
but there he is, swearing in and carrying one of his kiddos with
a Catholic priest. The man who's living by it.
I'm also encourage you guys to check out today's Loop because
it does have that. This is the article that I wrote
and you'll find out that the first sentence talks about
betrayal, which we just discussed.
Me and Rob organically coming to the same problem, Betrayal
within these agencies. Totally worth your time to check
those things out. All the links in the description
folks. We will see you again tomorrow
for a friendly Friday. Thanks for joining us for this
long form conversation. I really enjoy doing these and
what a cool guy. Follow Rob at Rob Green 1010.
We'll see you again in the morning.
God bless you and see you then. Thanks for listening to The Kyle
Serafin Show streamed live weekdays on rumble.com/kyle
Serafin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, True
Social, and Instagram at Kyle Serafin.