1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,640 agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,960 welcome to the Kyle Serif Show. Today is Thursday. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,880 It is April the 18th and we are rolling live on 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,160 rumble.com/kyleserif and join us over there if you like to get 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,120 into the live chat. It is already bumping and you 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,480 guys can hit the like button. You can subscribe to the channel 12 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,600 if you so choose. 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It was in one of the chapters 79 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,000 and they released that, at least a piece of it to the Federalist 80 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,520 about the betrayal that the FBI has engaged in against 81 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,120 Catholics. If you guys want to read about 82 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,560 that, you can read about the Senate killing, the Mayorkas 83 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,400 impeachment. There's a story about a Jesuit 84 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,840 university that was trying to put on drag shows and they got 85 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,200 on the wrong side of us. So there are over 13,000 people 86 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,440 signing a petition on and on. Denver mayor trying to give 87 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,680 millions to migrants, which we know are illegal immigrants 88 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 trying to give them while defunding the police. 89 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,040 Good stories, check out catholicvote.org. 90 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,200 You guys are going to be missing out if you do not get the loop 91 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,160 today. And that is it. 92 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,480 That is, that is all of the 20 minutes of sponsorships that we 93 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,440 are alleged to do in our 40 minute podcast, which is 94 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,760 obviously not that. Let's bring on our guest and I 95 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,240 want to show you up here. He is the author of Defending 96 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,160 the Constitution Behind Enemy Lines, a story of hope for those 97 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,400 who love liberty. You can follow him on social 98 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,640 media at Rob Green 1010. I'll have to ask him what the 99 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,480 1010 part means, but you can see there. 100 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,600 And he's also the author of the Declaration of Military 101 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Accountability. My guest today is Commander Rob 102 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,680 Green, who is in his personal capacity. 103 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:25,880 That's right. How we doing, Sir? 104 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Doing very well, Kyle. Thank you for having me on. 105 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,120 Thanks for being on with me. I'm going to call you Rob. 106 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,600 So we don't have any sort of issues with the Department of 107 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,440 the Navy or less anyone think you're representing something 108 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,320 you're not. Is that cool with you? 109 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Oh yeah, absolutely. I appreciate your reading. 110 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,720 The disclaimer up front. I typically don't do it. 111 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,160 I had APAO and a legal review at one point from a friend and he 112 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,280 said, you know what, You're so far off narrative, you don't 113 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,640 have to worry. You know, you don't speak for 114 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,360 them. So when I am asked to say it, I 115 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,800 typically say something along the lines of yes. 116 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,360 I don't speak for for anybody who is a domestic enemy to the 117 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,440 Constitution. I like that. 118 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,880 I like that a lot. Unfortunately, it seems like a 119 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,320 lot of our government, a lot of our military has sort of stepped 120 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,760 into that space, and a lot of people forgot that their oath 121 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,880 was to the Constitution, not to their branch of service and not 122 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,560 their their government agency. Huh. 123 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,040 What a weird time to be alive. All right, Rob, I want to start 124 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,720 with who you are and then we'll get into what you've been doing 125 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,440 and how you got there. So we'll just kind of take our 126 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,160 time, if that's cool with you. I want to give you the floor, 127 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,640 tell people where you're from and how you describe yourself. 128 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Obviously there's there's show notes if people want to read 129 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,720 about it, but I'd like it in your own words. 130 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,160 Yeah, thank you, Navy commander. Father of seven, traditional 131 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,800 Catholic. And I mean, I I would never, 132 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,040 ever want to be in the public light, the public sphere, 133 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,400 certainly, you know, never doing social media stuff. 134 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,640 But we got into this fight when the Navy started trying to chase 135 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,200 me down with a a needle with a biological agent that I don't 136 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,600 need. And and then I really started 137 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,160 doing a bunch of research and realized, hey, we're breaking a 138 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,280 couple laws here. And then went on the offensive 139 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,240 as soon as we realized what this was doing to people and and what 140 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,960 was it was doing to the Constitution that we swore an 141 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,280 oath to defend, completely shredding it. 142 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,360 And so this, that's how I got into this whole fight and why 143 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,440 we're talking. I appreciate that. 144 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,560 Where did you grow up? Where are you from? 145 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,400 From Alabama originally, and then went to Ole Miss for a 146 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,560 year, went to the Naval Academy. After that, met my wife. 147 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,360 She's from Steubenville, OH. Her dad was in the 148 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,880 administration at the university for like 30 years. 149 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,200 So we we met in a place called Catholic Family Land Apostolate 150 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,960 for Family Consecration up in Bloomingdale. 151 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,680 OH, I had a break at the Naval Academy for a week, went met my 152 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,640 family up there. She was working there and so we 153 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,560 got married two days after graduation from the Academy. 154 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,720 OK, fair enough. That's a that's a good origin 155 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,800 story. And Alabama the beautiful, 156 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,200 right. That's the way they say it. 157 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,720 On the, on the signs on the way in. 158 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,760 It it is. It is a very beautiful state. 159 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,840 Hard of Dixie. I didn't know that when I first 160 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:03,840 drove through Alabama. This was years ago. 161 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:05,920 I think I was active duty. I think I was driving out to to 162 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,520 Fort Bragg and I drove through it and and it said Alabama the 163 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,800 beautiful. And I went like, yeah, whatever. 164 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Everyone has a little little catch phrase and then it is a 165 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,920 shockingly gorgeous state. Especially when you go east to 166 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,720 West and cross it and you just go, man, there's some, there's 167 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,880 some real beauty in this country. 168 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,400 It's worth defending, it turns out. 169 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,080 It is. It is. 170 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,040 It's very hot down there though. Yeah, yeah. 171 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,120 No, I can't do that anymore. I almost died a heat stroke when 172 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,520 I was active duty, so I'm no longer doing the the game of the 173 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,480 the American South, OK, Do you want to see where you're 174 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,400 currently stationed right now? Is that relevant to anything or 175 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,480 do you want to hide that? Well, it it doesn't matter. 176 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,120 I mean, the ones who oppose what we're standing for, they all 177 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,480 know where I live. So as you obviously know, they. 178 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,200 So I was in Newport, RI when everything went down. 179 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,240 I was the executive officer of a 650 person unit up there, got 180 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,240 fired from that job and then exiled for seven months. 181 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,000 And eventually when we started winning in court and they 182 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,960 realized they can't court martial me or kick me out 183 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,760 involuntarily, they said, hey, we're gonna have to put you back 184 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,400 to work. So after seven months of of 185 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,040 exile and no contact where they, you know, probably hoped that 186 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,520 would just go away, they said, hey, we're gonna have to put you 187 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,320 back to work, move me back to Virginia. 188 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 And you know, I'm in. I'm in the southern Virginia 189 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,120 area now. OK, fair enough. 190 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,560 No, that's good enough. I don't need you to get too 191 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,720 specific, and there's no upside to that for anybody. 192 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,360 Let's talk about your military career. 193 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,920 You just talked about graduating, getting married. 194 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,560 Obviously you've got 7 kids, so they came. 195 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Spanner What's your oldest and your youngest kid wise? 196 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,559 Almost 16 down to two. Yeah that's a big spread. 197 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,280 That's a wild that's a wild household. 198 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,799 As you you mentioned before we got started I'm, I'm much more 199 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,960 compact. I've got a 7 month old right now 200 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,360 who's trying to figure out how to walk, which scares me 'cause 201 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,400 right when they start getting mobile, you know that that phase 202 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,960 where it's like, oh boy, it's I always tell people it's like the 203 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,760 velociraptors being able to turn the handles in Jurassic Park 204 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,000 where you just suddenly are like my wife and I kind of go white 205 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,000 eyed and we're like let's talk about where was your first 206 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,720 command kind of your movement through. 207 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,720 And and the reason I want to do that is I want to discuss my 208 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,600 buddy Steve calls it the the system idealist. 209 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,760 The people who love the system tend to be the ones that do what 210 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 you have done. Step up and say hey I'm willing 211 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,480 to lose my job over this because you actually believe in it. 212 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,840 Let's talk about sort of how you progressed and and you know 213 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,440 where you were, where your commands were as a as an officer 214 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,440 moving through the Navy. Yeah. 215 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,440 So I did a couple destroyer tours out of Norfolk. 216 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,520 It was my very first commanding officer is now the the Navy 217 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,760 Inspector General, a three star Admiral. 218 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,600 I mentioned him in the book because I I believe that Admiral 219 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,880 John Fuller had a great opportunity to help stop some of 220 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,880 this lawlessness and you know he defended the institution rather 221 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,280 than the Constitution. So I talked a little bit about 222 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,080 that. I I went to a shore duty 223 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,240 command. After that I was doing weapon 224 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,840 systems testing for the Navy, got a master's degree in 225 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,320 operations research, a modeling and simulation master 226 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,320 certificate focused on data analytics, things like that. 227 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,880 I did five years as AGS and a reservist in the Navy and then 228 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,720 eventually said hey, I want to get back and lead. 229 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,280 So I reactivated permanent active duty as a reserve 230 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,040 management officer and now that's where they sent me to 231 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,680 Newport, RI where I was the EXO of a of a security squadron up 232 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,560 there. Talk about the the culture that 233 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,480 you saw and if it's evolved since you came in. 234 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,520 I know it's always different when you're kind of a younger 235 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,800 guy watching it. But as you've moved more senior 236 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,040 in rank, what have you seen the evolution of our U.S. military? 237 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,200 It's interesting. We had almost no training on the 238 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,160 Constitution. I mean, looking back on it, I 239 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,600 didn't think it was a big deal, but we train on everything. 240 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Annual training for, you know, Sapper, you know, sexual assault 241 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,920 prevention and response for insider threats and 242 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,720 cybersecurity stuff, for suicide awareness. 243 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,400 We train on everything every year, a big deal. 244 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,960 But we don't train on the Constitution. 245 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,240 And I I found that odd in looking back in hindsight that 246 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,360 that I never experienced any of that and as I've gone up in 247 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,680 rank, it was always imparted on me. 248 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,480 Hey, you have more responsibility and instead of 249 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,600 pushing the constitution, they were pushing the institution. 250 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,440 You you know we protect this house. 251 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 It was sort of an NFL shield kind of thing. 252 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,800 When I finally put on O5 commander in the Navy it would 253 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,800 be the Lieutenant Colonel in the other branches. 254 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:34,240 I I was pulled aside by my O6. My my captain, and he's 255 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,320 mentioned to me. Hey, you're now a senior officer 256 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,480 in the Navy. You're a field grade officer. 257 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,400 You're the lowest rank of senior officer, but you now have a huge 258 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,840 responsibility to protect the institution. 259 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,280 The institution comes first. I had a sidebar conversation 260 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,960 with him. He pulled me aside and and gave 261 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,760 me that lecture like, hey, now, now you protect the shield. 262 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,560 And I I can't think of anything that, you know, that set us up 263 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,640 more then this mindset from our senior leaders. 264 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,680 And it's been decades in in the making. 265 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:10,000 We're, you know, we got into this problem over decades. 266 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 We're not gonna get out of it in a short period of time. 267 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,800 It's gonna take a while. But we're gonna have to clean 268 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,200 out the institutional rot that is protecting all of our 269 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,480 institutions before they protect the principles that underlined 270 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,680 the Constitution. That is where we're at. 271 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:26,360 And we have that problem in the military. 272 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,800 From your story, you have that problem from the FBI. 273 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,960 We have that everywhere. It's it's the institution above 274 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,440 the Constitution. Do you think that it's because 275 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,880 people don't know what's in the Constitution or what their role 276 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,480 in defending the Constitution is? 277 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,320 'Cause I I see it goes both ways in the GSI, but I don't have any 278 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,960 eyes on sort of the senior military end of it. 279 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,680 I I think it's a little bit of both. 280 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,280 They don't understand what's in it, but they don't understand 281 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,760 the underlying principles either. 282 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,360 So how you defend it from the military perspective, we all 283 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,880 know a foreign adversary could come in and you know, overthrow 284 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,760 our constitutional way of life, you know, from an outside in 285 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,280 sort of thing. That's what we're there to 286 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,920 protect. It's it's the foreign threat, 287 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,720 the foreign adversary, that kind of thing. 288 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,560 But when we take our oath, we raise our right hand. 289 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:18,520 We say, you know, I swear to support and defend the 290 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,960 Constitution. It's not just against the 291 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,280 foreign enemy. It's all enemies, foreign and 292 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,920 domestic, right. So, well, I I've, I've talked 293 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,360 about this before in other interviews, but the Constitution 294 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,720 does 2 main things. It establishes the form of our 295 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,960 government, but then it sets individual liberties, individual 296 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,200 constitutional rights, as having primacy over everything else. 297 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,360 The Constitution is designed to protect individual rights, not 298 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,280 protect the institution from individuals. 299 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,160 So if you don't understand that it's individual rights that have 300 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,920 premacy, then you're missing the point of a Constitution. 301 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,320 There is no greater thing an American can do in defending the 302 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,160 Constitution than defending individual constitutional 303 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,280 rights. And so our senior military 304 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,840 leaders have completely set that aside and they only focus on 305 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,920 foreign. And when you know, they are 306 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,760 asked to trample on individual rights, it's not a second 307 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,320 thought for them 'cause there's no risk to them. 308 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,200 And so we, we have tried to impart some risk recently. 309 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,480 And you know, we, I, I wrote the Declaration of Military 310 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Accountability. And you know, we have gone on 311 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,440 the offensive a little bit and and public speaking and those 312 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,760 kinds of things. But until we hold somebody 313 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,800 accountable for trampling the individual rights element, what 314 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 they were supposed to defend, the domestic enemy, we're gonna 315 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,440 keep having this problem. So folks, you can find the the 316 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,760 military accountability link that is in the show description. 317 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,720 You can find Rob's Twitter handle there as well and you can 318 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,040 click through and you can do that link. 319 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,440 And then also the book, we put the link to the Amazon book if 320 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,920 people want to do it. Is it fair to say that as a 321 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,680 junior person, maybe as a lower enlisted and maybe as a junior 322 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,400 officer, you're rightly focused because you're probably more in 323 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,880 the kinetic end of things that you're going to be doing that 324 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,160 that defense against the foreign and then as you move up and rank 325 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,360 that your job becomes more and more guarding the individual 326 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,920 liberties. I mean it seems like there may 327 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,160 be a bifurcation there and that and that that sort of it, it may 328 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,600 be a spectrum that changes and you kind of move from as rank 329 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,920 goes up. You might have to get more and 330 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,360 more aware of the fact that you're probably going to be 331 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Pentagon based or you're going to be shoreside command based in 332 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,960 in a lot of places. Well, if there is a bifurcation, 333 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,640 I think it's an inappropriate 1:00. 334 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,120 Every single individual took that oath. 335 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,840 Every single individual has an equal responsibility to defend 336 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,440 against foreign and domestic enemies. 337 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,280 And so every single person has a responsibility to put that into 338 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,960 practice. If you've seen the video of 339 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,200 Senior Airman Lance Castle, of course, getting getting 340 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,920 attacked, those individuals who did that, we're trampling upon 341 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,720 his, his rights, and we're doing so based on a lawless agenda, 342 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,440 based on actual violations of the law. 343 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,040 And so you know from the lowest ranks to the highest ranks, we 344 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,440 have the same obligations there. Now as the senior ranks go, you 345 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,640 you get more strategic both against the foreign enemy and 346 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,640 the domestic enemy is the way it should be. 347 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,520 It should be the ideal. And you're strategic and 348 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,720 thought, you're thinking through, you know, much greater 349 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,320 campaign plans and things that that we have to put in place to 350 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,080 ensure that, you know, we're putting the right deterrence in 351 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,080 place for foreign adversaries. But we have ignored deterring 352 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,520 the encroachment into individual rights and it's been going on 353 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,960 for a very long time, decades. You know, it's it's not just a 354 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,720 military problem. It's across society. 355 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,800 Your issue specifically at least came to a head underneath the 356 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,640 the COVID vaccine mandates, but didn't they kind of solve some 357 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,760 of these problems with the anthrax lawsuits? 358 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Didn't didn't some of that get addressed at some point? 359 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,920 And then did we just forget it or how did that happen? 360 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,079 Well, I forget it. Certainly it it certainly seems 361 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,160 that way. So in 2000, you know, one, they 362 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,760 came out with mandates. It was roughly that time frame. 363 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,599 There was a lawsuit filed afterwards. 364 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,640 And then Dovi Rumsfeld, the plaintiffs, won in that case and 365 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,280 the ruling was, hey, DoD broke the law in 2005. 366 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,240 Shortly afterwards, Congress put in place laws protecting service 367 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,000 members from having to receive emergency, you know, use 368 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,280 authorized products, investigation on new drugs, 369 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,680 things like that. It's always been an inalienable 370 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,520 right. Human beings have bodily 371 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,080 autonomy rights and without, you know, going through, you know, 372 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,000 5th Amendment processes like we always retain those rights. 373 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,400 So Congress, you know, giving a statutory law, it's a lower 374 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,480 level law and and certainly a good one to say, hey, you know, 375 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,440 you can't experiment on service members, but the principle has 376 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,040 always been there. The constitutional principle, 377 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,360 you know, it has supremacy over the statutory laws that have 378 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:10,520 been enacted by Congress. And so you know, you're you're 379 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,760 in a situation where no one understands any either of those 380 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,680 things. The Department of Defense 381 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,960 completely trampled both the statutory law and the 382 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,640 constitutional rights in enacting the COVID-19 mandates. 383 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,200 And so, yes, of course, they completely ignored, you know, 384 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,000 both what happened with anthrax and then the laws that were 385 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,000 enacted afterwards by Congress to protect service members. 386 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:40,480 Did those laws layout punishment for those who violated them? 387 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,320 Are they is that part of the the DoD statute that that are 388 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,080 protecting? No, it it doesn't layout. 389 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,680 You know, specific punishments, but it does layout rights. 390 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,040 It does state that that service members have a right to accept 391 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,560 or refuse an emergency use product. 392 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,840 Emergency use products were the only things provided to service 393 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,320 members or you know, any American actually, now that 394 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,200 we've gone and done the research and so we've always had the 395 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,400 right to refuse. And and so trampling upon that 396 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,360 right and demanding that you, you know, accept the 397 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:16,160 government's decision on your, you know, personal risk for, you 398 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,800 know, health risk. Completely insane to me, but 399 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,760 also a very clear violation of both statutory law and 400 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,640 constitutional rights. So my experience would be very 401 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,720 different than yours as a guy who came and enlisted. 402 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,800 I also came enlisted at 27. So when I remember going through 403 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,280 basic, there was a sort of attitude. 404 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,040 It's like now you belong to the department of the Air Force son. 405 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,360 Like you know you might as well get it tattooed on your butt 406 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:40,200 kind of thing. And I was like, no, I'm, I'm a 407 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,040 grown man. I have all kinds of rights and 408 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,000 you have no say in them. Like that's not going to be the 409 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,440 case. But for an 18 year old who's 410 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,640 getting very, you know, formed in their mental thinking that 411 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,240 impacts them. So they think, you know, I 412 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,240 better ask you for a tattoo. All these other kind of deals, 413 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,840 does the did the Department of the Navy sort of do that same 414 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,800 sort of indoctrination like you have less rights than a regular 415 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,680 citizen. Do they put that mentality out 416 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,680 there as as those? I'm I'm curious on the officer 417 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,600 side as well because the enlisted side, it's kind of like 418 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,240 you better ask permission before you do anything. 419 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,200 And you know, even just travelling outside of a certain 420 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,360 radius, you know, there's all kinds of restrictions that fall 421 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:17,800 on you. But none of those are your 422 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,720 personal bodily autonomy, as you just stated. 423 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,000 But there is that attitude that it's like, well, you kind of 424 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,800 signed up for this. You you get whatever we send 425 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,640 you. That's your job. 426 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,720 To a certain extent, that does happen. 427 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,000 I mean, it's it's officer enlisted. 428 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,320 It's everywhere. You know that, hey, your 429 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,600 government property. Hey, you. 430 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,240 You have accepted certain restrictions. 431 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,400 Yeah. It's completely wrong. 432 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:40,160 It's in defiance of, you know, the clear constitutional 433 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,640 principles that we don't lay down our citizenship when we, 434 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,200 you know, join voluntarily, join the service. 435 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:54,040 And so yes, we do give up, you know, certain freedoms. 436 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,560 We we, you know, we retain all of our basic human rights, 437 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,120 right? We our basic constitutional 438 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:01,920 rights. We retain those. 439 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,720 But you can be told, hey, you've got to wear this uniform, you've 440 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 got to wear this unit patch, You have to cut your hair a certain 441 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,600 way. We are giving up those basic 442 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:19,640 freedoms in order to serve and you know, potentially sacrifice 443 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,520 on behalf of the security of the nation. 444 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,320 What what cannot happen though is that the government take 445 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,840 everything away. The government use you, as you 446 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,400 know chattel property and assume that you have no rights. 447 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,760 And so that that is where you know where do you draw the line 448 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,440 on what's permissible and what's not. 449 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,640 It's far smarter. People have been working on this 450 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:49,040 for centuries and and you know, there's UCMJ and there is legal 451 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,080 precedent set and those laws have been pretty well defined. 452 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,800 The judicial precedence has been pretty well set. 453 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,680 And yet in this particular case, and I demonstrated in the book, 454 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:08,440 they have violated those basic, you know, lines in the sand that 455 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,960 have been drawn by historical precedent, legal precedent, both 456 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,080 statutory and constitutional rights. 457 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,480 So they have gone way too far in assuming federal power over the 458 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,880 individual. And it's it's forced thousands 459 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,080 of us to stand up and say something about it. 460 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Do you think that if there were statutory penalties laid out in 461 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,240 some of these whistleblower protection laws, in some of the, 462 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,760 you know, the the rights to not take a emergency youth 463 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,400 authorization drugs, would that have been a barrier that would 464 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,440 have at least been a better stop sign or a flashing light on the 465 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,400 stop sign that let these people not not kind of trample over the 466 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,200 individual liberties that were that were being trampled? 467 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,080 I I absolutely do think that that would help. 468 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,680 Now whether that's the right thing to do or not, I I don't 469 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,400 know. I I'm beginning to be of the 470 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,000 opinion that we have legislated ourselves to death, right. 471 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 There's 1000 laws out there and you can be walking across the 472 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,400 street and breaking a certain law. 473 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,120 And having been from the law enforcement side, I mean it's it 474 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:10,320 you probably understand very well that you can, you can use 475 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,360 those kinds of things while you, you know, never talk to police, 476 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:14,080 right. Yeah, I want my lawyer. 477 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,040 That's what you say. Just because you can be 478 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,120 entrapped into, you know, becoming the, the target of an 479 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:24,400 investigation, you know, because you've, you know, maybe broken 480 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,640 three laws in the course of a day. 481 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,000 You had no idea. We're on the books. 482 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,440 So there are, you know, thousands of laws that you 483 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,600 couldn't read the entire, you know, all the titles of of, you 484 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,160 know, American statute in the course of a year. 485 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,880 I get you just couldn't sit down and do it. 486 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,080 So, So is it the right thing to do to dictate what all the 487 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,280 penalties are for everything? Probably not. 488 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,440 But the principle you're talking about, I think, is absolutely 489 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,680 something that we need to have. We need to have accountability, 490 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,760 we need to have repercussions for people who break the law. 491 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,640 And it's why. It's why we went and named the 492 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,400 military Admirals and generals who did. 493 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,160 You know, we do have evidence broke the law. 494 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,360 That's why we named them in the Declaration of Military 495 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,640 Accountability, which everybody can find on military 496 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,600 accountability.com or.net. It'll take you to the same spot. 497 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,360 And it's why we laid out our plan to, you know, since no one 498 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:18,960 else is doing it. Congress isn't doing it. 499 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,520 Our own leaders aren't doing. Executive branch isn't doing it. 500 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,880 We're gonna hold them accountable ourselves. 501 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,560 And so we we lay two ways out that we're gonna do it. 502 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,240 For those of us who run for office, we're going to introduce 503 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,040 legislation to reduce their retirement income to 0. 504 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,080 For those who are, you know, have proven to broke the to 505 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,920 break the law. And then for those who reach the 506 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,760 authority to do so, we'll talk to the secretary of the services 507 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,560 or Secretary of Defense. We're gonna recall these 508 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,040 Admirals and generals from retirement for court martials, 509 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,080 so they'll get the full, you know, proper judicial treatment. 510 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,760 It's gonna be fair. It's gonna be, you know, blind 511 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,160 justice. We're gonna do it right. 512 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,640 But the point is to introduce that personal risk. 513 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,040 So if you're going to make a decision to trample individual 514 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,280 constitutional rights, you had better make sure that it is. 515 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,440 It is perfectly justified, It is moral. 516 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,240 It is ethical because our intention, and this is a long 517 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,080 term time horizon project. Maybe it's gonna take decades, 518 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960 but our intention is to make sure that there is an element of 519 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,000 personal risk to those who are making those decisions. 520 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,680 Cause historically it has not been the case the the, the 521 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,880 people at that level, at the, you know, three and four-star 522 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,040 level, they've gotta, you know break some egregious law, you 523 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,640 know in some sort of personal behavioral issue for there to be 524 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,680 any accountability. And that's, you know, we're not 525 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,680 seeing that in any other aspect of of, you know, legal 526 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,920 precedence for these leaders. You've gotten you kind of talk 527 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,240 to us a little bit about the ongoing training. 528 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,520 I think federal employees get the same thing as DoD when it 529 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,080 comes to sexual assault and whistleblower and all this other 530 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,040 kind of stuff. Do they ever talk about sort of 531 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520 like your responsibilities, the the burden of command, like what 532 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,240 your liabilities are when you engage in maybe executing an 533 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,560 unlawful order? Have you ever had any 534 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,280 specialized kind of discussions other than with your buddies? 535 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,120 Is there any formal version of that? 536 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,920 They they do a lot of training for those who are going to take 537 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,200 command. It's it's a lot of training on 538 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520 the responsibilities, on accountability on the 539 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,240 authorities that you have. They do talk a lot. 540 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680 There's a lot of discussions and there's a lot of training on 541 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,600 legal as well. But what they're trained to do 542 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,640 unfortunately is rely on the Jag, ask Jag, go to your Jag. 543 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,440 The Jag is the Judge Advocate General. 544 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,800 It's your it's your legal officer. 545 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,000 You know, they have a legal license. 546 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,280 They've been through law school, but they are officers in the 547 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,800 military. And what we've seen though is 548 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,520 that the Jag Corps, and I speak about this in the book, and I, I 549 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,760 name the names least on the Navy side, Admiral Crandall, 550 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,440 apparently very politicized. And what they did is they, 551 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,960 without doing the legal due diligence on what their 552 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,680 commanders wanted to do, you know what the administration 553 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,840 asked them to do without doing the legal due diligence, They 554 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,400 just marched forward. And they instead of trying to 555 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,280 make sure that we were following the law, the Jag corps circled 556 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,520 the wagons to protect the commanders. 557 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,440 And that's historically what they've done for a long time. 558 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,080 They are there to make sure that if the commander wants to do 559 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,600 something, they find a loophole for him to do it. 560 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,640 They make sure that they find some way to to protect him if it 561 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,120 goes bad. But there's you know you've 562 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,280 heard it said before I I have certainly they say hey I want to 563 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,680 go to X and he'll turn to the Jag and say make sure this is 564 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,800 legal. And the Jag corps, the Jag 565 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,720 officer said he what he hears is make this legal And so that's 566 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080 that's the scenario I believe that played out in the last 567 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,800 three to four years especially with the COVID mandates. 568 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,320 So I guess the big question is why? 569 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,160 Why? Why push something that people 570 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,080 had some, you know, heels dug in on and and were willing to lose 571 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,360 their job over it And we're willing to, you know, maybe even 572 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:29,840 face a court martial, things like that. 573 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,760 And they obviously a lot of people got kicked out of the 574 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560 service over it. Why would they do that? 575 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,240 I, I, I try to figure that out, and and I just can't, right? 576 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,840 Like, why do we have sin in the world? 577 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,760 You know why? Why? 578 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240 I mean, we're never gonna solve all these things. 579 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880 There is an element of careerism, selfishness in all of 580 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,440 this. And you know, I'm still, you 581 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,120 know, I've written articles and I've written op eds and I'm 582 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,360 trying to bring attention to a lot of the different things here 583 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,280 that that seem to provide evidence that not only are we, 584 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,160 you know, have we broken the law, but are continuing to dig 585 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040 our heels in and not like, right these wrongs not address this 586 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,000 head on. You know that hey, as an 587 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 institution, military, we made a mistake. 588 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Let's fix this. So I I've tried to bring in some 589 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,320 evidence of the recruiting issues and why the betrayal of 590 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,080 trust has gotten us to the situation where you know we're 591 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,240 41,000 service members under target for recruiting in in you 592 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,120 know this coming year. So like I'll give you a couple 593 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,040 examples, couple numbers at the in, in the height of the 594 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,320 pandemic if you you know if you want to call it that, at the 595 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,280 height of of of the fear at least we were 7000 and we had 596 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,560 7000 gaps at sea on operational sea duty billets. 597 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,720 So for all of our ships you know 250 plus ships in total we 598 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,320 should have had 7000 more people operating those ships. 599 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,400 So they're undermanned, understaffed, under equipped and 600 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:15,240 in the years since that has ballooned to over 21,000 gaps at 601 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,960 operational sea duty billets. So it's tripled. 602 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,600 And when I bring this to our leaders attention, you know, 603 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,040 they they ignore it, they don't care. 604 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,680 They'll pat themselves on the back. 605 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,680 Oh well, you know we've applied this additional amount of money 606 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,440 to resources. We've we've pulled these great 607 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,880 sailors from these other shore duty billets and we've made them 608 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,560 recruiters. And you know I'm, I'm Privy to 609 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,440 some communication at the three and the four-star level where 610 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,520 they're congratulating themselves on the changes month 611 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:52,120 to month and not looking at the drastic horrible downturn that 612 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,080 we've had that is not improving. And when you say, hey maybe 613 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,400 start with the 8500 Conscientious service members 614 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,880 that you kicked out, try to offer them back pay. 615 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,960 Try to do something to bring them back in, Rebuild trust that 616 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,120 the American people can tell their kids, oh, hey, you know 617 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,600 what? You could join the military 618 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,680 'cause they will defend your rights and not just use you for 619 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,840 some military industrial complex. 620 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,280 You know, war or something, right? 621 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,000 They're they're not just gonna risk your life in vain. 622 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,160 And so, you know, we have this situation where they're ignoring 623 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,760 all of these warning signs and they're digging their heels in. 624 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,400 So is there gonna be, are they gonna, you know, be? 625 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520 I think they're aware. They're certainly aware that 626 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,360 there's a problem. But there is no moral courage to 627 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,320 do anything about it because I I believe it's all careerism. 628 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,280 I believe it's, you know, especially the three and the 629 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,120 four-star level. They're looking for board 630 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,840 memberships afterwards. They're looking for lucrative 631 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,840 deals. And we have a big problem with 632 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,240 that in the military. And so, you know, they just 633 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,360 don't wanna tip the applecart. Is it hubris? 634 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Is it pride? Or is it a lack of humility 635 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,400 that's going on there if we're gonna take this into the moral 636 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,640 realm? I I can't speak to what's going 637 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840 on inside the minds and the consciences of anybody else. 638 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800 I mean, I I can only speak for myself in in those regards. 639 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,920 I have a lot of hubris, I have a lot of pride and a lot of sin. 640 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,760 So I I can only focus on myself there. 641 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:35,280 But there's there's certainly no acknowledgement of what's 642 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,320 happened. There's no acknowledgements, 643 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,200 even though we have federal courts who have ruled that the 644 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880 DoD and individual services have broken the law. 645 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,080 I mean, they still won't acknowledge it. 646 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,120 They still won't publicly say, hey, our bad, let's fix this. 647 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,120 They're they're not, you know, I think Congressman Gates in a 648 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,600 recent hearing asked the Secretary of Defense. 649 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,760 Hey, you know, you kick these people out, are you gonna bring 650 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,720 them back? Are you gonna make any effort to 651 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,200 bring them back? And his answers was simple. 652 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,120 No, I will not. And so that's, that's the 653 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,800 situation we're in. You know, it seems to be from 654 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,800 the top down to to dig, dig heels in. 655 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,120 And until we're willing to embrace the red, to focus on 656 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,800 what was done wrong, to completely hot wash all of this, 657 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,200 and then come up with solutions to rebuild trust, we're going to 658 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,920 continue to have these problems. It's interesting that you're 659 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,200 you're pointing out what I think of the same problems that we saw 660 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,040 at DoD going obviously down to my spice at the FBI. 661 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,040 But the Durham report was sort of this outside influence coming 662 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,800 in and investigating what happened with Trump and all 663 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,720 these other kind of political things we saw that were in the 664 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720 background in the vortex of this and the thing that that Durham 665 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,720 said that was so disheartening to me, and I think so obvious. 666 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 But it's also what you just said about institution over 667 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840 constitution, which I'm going to steal, by the way, 'cause I love 668 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,800 it. The thing that that he said is 669 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,480 that there was no law, there's no policy, there's no procedure 670 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,760 that would have solved this problem. 671 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,280 It was a values issue. And if we don't have federal 672 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,880 agents and federal employees that respect the Constitution 673 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,239 1st and know that this is their responsibility, then we're never 674 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,760 going to be able to legislate our way out of it. 675 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,120 And I think you've said a lot of the same things, but all these 676 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,040 different voices are saying the same thing from different 677 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,840 angles, from different viewpoints, from different 678 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,960 government agencies and departments, government, a 679 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,440 federal government issue. It seems like here's where I'm, 680 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,560 I'm very curious and I don't know if you have any visibility 681 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,400 to this, but I saw you call out Matthew Lohmeyer the other day 682 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,600 and we've had him on the show here. 683 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,880 He talks a lot about cultural Marxism and it's rot that it's 684 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,320 done to the military. The one thing we know about 685 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,440 Marxism is that it's a a collectivist idea, which is to 686 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,760 say the institution over the individual, which is a lot of 687 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,440 what you've just said. Do you think there is a Marxist 688 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,199 or a cultural Marxist, the sort of collective attitude that is 689 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,920 driving some of this in the promotion structure? 690 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,800 Is it, does it come from the top down? 691 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,760 Does it come from the bottom up? Is it all the time? 692 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,080 Any thoughts that you have on that sort of subject, if you're 693 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200 comfortable, Yeah. I'm not the expert on that. 694 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,400 You mentioned that I I called that Matt, just for clarity's 695 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,560 sake. It was a call out like, hey, we 696 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,480 should do something together. Yeah, this is. 697 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040 This guy's he's he's got it. So Matt's great. 698 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,080 We've we've chatted before and his book that's where you know 699 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560 send everybody to that book cause that's that's the book 700 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,640 that describes what's going on in the military with Marxism so 701 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,880 irresistible revolution. Check that out. 702 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Matt Lomer does, does a great job in describing, you know, 703 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,320 from his perspective what he's seen in terms of the Marxist 704 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,760 influence in the military. And and I can only echo you 705 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,920 know, Matt, that yes, I mean I've seen it too. 706 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,480 Certainly where collective principles are placed over 707 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,600 individual rights And you know, at the senior, you know, at the 708 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,720 senior ranks it it's gonna be hard to decipher whether they're 709 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,280 a Marxist or whether they're, you know, careerists and just 710 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,640 want to go along with, you know, whatever the latest narrative or 711 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,680 agenda is from the top. But we certainly have a 712 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,560 principles problem in the military And you know, based on, 713 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,320 you know, Matt's research and Matt's experience, I would say 714 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,760 yes, there there is Marxist influence and so a lot of that 715 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,320 as well. And so in other words, you've 716 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,240 seen. Some of this, I mean, you're 717 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,960 obviously familiar with the story, and I wasn't trying to 718 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,400 say you were calling about. I thought it was like a cool 719 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,480 thing. You were saying, hey, we need to 720 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,080 get together and teach some of these service academies about 721 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,320 the things that we know our problems and who better than 722 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,360 people that have experienced them. 723 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,080 Do you think that that's permeated the Navy as well as it 724 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,200 across the board? It's not just unique to Air 725 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,000 Force, Space Force, which is, you know, a little different 726 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,920 animal than than some of the other fighting forces. 727 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,400 Yeah, it's. It's. 728 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,880 Certainly across the board the same leadership cultural 729 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,800 problems we have are you know DoD wide right now and I will 730 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,440 say for the institution versus the constitution you mentioned 731 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,240 that and and stealing it and please spread it around check 732 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,880 out and and maybe have people go check out my latest article I 733 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,160 real clear defense it's the institution of the constitution 734 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,800 unraveling the COVID-19 mandates for the joint force in that. 735 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,720 I wrote that with Vice Admiral Dean Lee. 736 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,520 He's a retired three star Coast Guard Admiral. 737 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,200 And you know, we we've had no help from any active duty, 738 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,480 Admiral General to help, you know, fight for constitutional 739 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,520 rights. And you know, 'cause they 740 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160 circled the wagons around the institution, right. 741 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,880 A few of the retired Admirals and generals took, you know, 742 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,920 great personal risk. You know, they lost friends over 743 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280 it. But they have come to our aid 744 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,920 from a strategic leadership perspective and have joined in 745 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,920 the fight. And I certainly talk about 746 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160 calling out people. I certainly want to mention Vice 747 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,440 Admiral Dean Lee. I I hope, you know, if you have 748 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,880 me on again, I'll, I'll see if he'll come and join us, 'cause 749 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,360 he got a lot of wisdom. He's a great Christian guy and 750 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,600 and he understands this fight in in a way that many people don't. 751 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,720 Let's let's pivot a. Little bit to the values thing 752 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:59,800 and and specifically COVID-19 I want to go to prior to the 753 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,880 mandates, I want to go to what you saw and what you perceived 754 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,320 personally. So this is obviously not 755 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,760 representing anything that's happening on the force wide, but 756 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,720 what did you a man, a father, a husband Catholic see in let's 757 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:20,320 say January to June of 2020 as we're hearing the so-called 758 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,800 pandemic and it's rolling out and you're in what Rhode Island 759 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,280 at the time, is that right, Rhode Island? 760 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,000 OK. So you're east. 761 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,840 Coast I had a. Similar. 762 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,440 I was in Virginia, so I was outside of DC What were you 763 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,080 seeing and what were you perceiving news What were you 764 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,600 taking that and and digesting and and what were you saying, 765 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,760 you know what was true and what was not in your in your mind. 766 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Yeah, I spoke a little bit about. 767 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,760 This in the book. At first you don't know what to 768 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,320 expect. I mean, there is a lot of fear. 769 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,160 There's a lot of, hey, what is this thing? 770 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,880 Is it gonna kill 75% of the world's population? 771 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,440 Like we have no idea. It did not take me long. 772 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,320 You could you could count the days on, you know, one hand, the 773 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,680 number of days where it took me to realize that that, hey, this 774 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,680 this isn't going to be what they say it is. 775 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,000 You know, this fear mongering is not, does not seem to be 776 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520 accurate. And what made me realize that is 777 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,360 for the most part and this is a principles issue, I try to see 778 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,840 things in the world from a spiritual warfare perspective. 779 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,160 And and so from that perspective I'm watching who has values that 780 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,520 are more similar to mine, you know who, Who puts their 781 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,920 spiritual life 1st and who's you know, living some different 782 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,280 values, You know whatever those values are hedonistic or or 783 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,320 something else, right? Or you know anti God, anti 784 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,480 authority anti whatever. I mean I could just be naming 785 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,200 all the all the bad things but I'm not going to. 786 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,080 So I'm I'm looking at the differences and for the the 787 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,800 people that go on you know may were making media appearances 788 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,040 during that early time in the pandemic. 789 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:02,400 It was it was the people who most had my values kind of an 790 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,600 eternal outlook. Believed in God, believed in 791 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,080 heaven and hell who were offering caution. 792 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,360 Who are saying, let's let's wait and see, let's take care of 793 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,800 people, let's try to do things right. 794 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,360 But you know, we don't need this fear, right? 795 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,720 And for me and my wife, as we were navigating all this, he 796 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:24,160 said, hey, if we're taken, we're taken, but we're going to, you 797 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,520 know, put God first. We're not going to live in fear, 798 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,240 you know, we believe that, you know, if we die in the state of 799 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,040 grace, you know, we're we're going to have eventually get to 800 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,320 heaven. So that's that was our 801 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,160 perspective. The folks who were most 802 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,200 clamoring for fear. The folks you know, who 803 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120 apparently you know, don't believe in God, don't believe in 804 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,840 heaven and hell, and they're grasping desperately for this 805 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,480 life because they don't believe in an afterlife. 806 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,360 It doesn't appear that way. The same people who clamor for a 807 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,600 so-called right to, you know, kill their children in the womb, 808 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,280 Those were the people using language. 809 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,480 Like if it just saves one life, if it just saves one life. 810 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,360 We need to do all these tons of mitigation measures and the and 811 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:15,040 and the disparate application of saving one life blew my mind and 812 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,440 it opened my eyes to how ludicrous this whole thing was 813 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,400 for me. Right. 814 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,200 And so you know I'm a I'm a pro-life Catholic. 815 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,720 And, you know, if it just saves one life, there are, you know, 816 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,400 hundreds of thousands of different ways we could apply 817 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,040 federal dollars or, you know, not send $100 billion to Ukraine 818 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,800 or whatever, that we could develop programs to just save 819 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,600 one life, right? For for the unborn and, by the 820 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000 way, your body. Bodily autonomy be damned on 821 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,360 that one the God forbid. It's like the people, the, the, 822 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,400 I don't know, the the amusement of the ideas that must run into 823 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,040 each other at full speed. It was complete for me in 2020. 824 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,200 I don't know if you saw the same thing. 825 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,160 It's like, how strong is that cognitive dissonance that you're 826 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,800 saying? Yeah, just one life and we must 827 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,480 infringe on all your civil liberties as you walk around. 828 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,960 By the way, we we still really want to kill babies all the way 829 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,120 up to the point after they're born, 'cause they're really 830 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,640 inconvenient. It's it's such a strange, it's 831 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,520 such a strange position to try to stake out. 832 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,640 There's no intellectual honesty whatsoever. 833 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,720 So you were seeing that. What about the death count? 834 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,920 Did you see the death count on the on the TV's that were 835 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,440 running? But out of curiosity, what what 836 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,160 TV's are on Almost all offices I see these days that are 837 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,000 government have a news feed of some kind piped in somewhere. 838 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,240 What? What television programs were 839 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,600 being watched in the places that you were working? 840 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,200 It's. It's mostly. 841 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,720 Like MSNBC or CNN, because of the language used nowadays, 842 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,840 folks were, you know, even if they were a more conservative 843 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,160 person than they preferred Fox News. 844 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,280 And by the way, at this point, I believe it's all, you know, 845 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,000 uniparty, you know, backing for globalists agendas, right. 846 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,440 I, I, you know, even when you get to what I previously 847 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,920 considered, you know kind of far right networks that aren't 848 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,560 mainstream, I'm still researching the money behind it 849 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,480 because I don't trust it. So you know you gotta go to 850 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,080 places like this. You gotta go to your show. 851 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,880 Just two guys talking podcasters who have independence, right. 852 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440 That's right. That's where you gotta go the to 853 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,840 try to get you know independent sources and I don't care if if 854 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,320 you're left-leaning or right leaning or whatever. 855 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,880 I just don't trust the money behind it and none of those 856 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,720 people should either go go find individual people. 857 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,680 So anyway, yes, the my body, my choice thing was, was crazy 858 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,680 because it meant one thing for certain people and another thing 859 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,360 for other people. And then when you got to the 860 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,160 death counts, and I'm glad you brought that up, it started with 861 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,720 death rates. And this is what blew my mind. 862 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,280 I wrote about this in the book. I think the chapter was Pandemic 863 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,960 of Fear might be Chapter 4 in the book but when the death 864 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,880 rates the death rates you know they they were a little higher 865 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,600 up front and there are some reasons I think that Death Race 866 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,720 and this is not the the podcast nor am I the expert to get into 867 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,680 it but you know Remdesivir protocols and no no 868 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,800 antibacterials for people with post COVID pneumonia like are 869 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,120 you kidding me like those kinds of things when it has a chance 870 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,560 that they just threw out all. Normal medical treatment, they 871 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,040 were like, don't come in unless you're dying. 872 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,000 And when you're dying, then we're gonna intubate you, which 873 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,280 is the one way we take away your airway, you know, airway. 874 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,920 And we put you on these, these sedatives so we can we relax all 875 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000 your your, your diaphragm, and we're going to take over. 876 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,880 Like what? You never do that. 877 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,760 You always support respiration. I'm a paramedic, so I did that 878 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,120 for a decade. I can speak a little bit to it, 879 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,760 but it's like you always support the, you know, the lowest level 880 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,760 of intervention is normal. And they went like, Nope, we're 881 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,640 just going to do weird stuff right off the gate. 882 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,240 It looked really weird for me. I'm sure you saw the same. 883 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,720 Oh yeah, I mean, we're talking. I mean just to be clear for all 884 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:55,400 your audience, we're talking about institutionally encouraged 885 00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:01,160 and then mandated murder and and anyway so the death counts were 886 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,880 a little higher up front and as the death count started, you 887 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,320 know, going lower, they switched to or sorry the death rates, the 888 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,400 death rates were higher initially. 889 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,320 And as the death rates compared to people who you know got the 890 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480 virus and started recovering and you know certain good doctors 891 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,560 are trying to do the right thing, those rates started to 892 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,400 lower. So the the fear mongers and and 893 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,640 the people, you know, I'll, I'll say it again, you know, the 894 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,160 globalist agenda. You know, Uniparty paid whatever 895 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,440 they they shifted to cumulative death counts. 896 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,920 And it is just to make. People like, oh man, you know, 897 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,000 another 100,000 people died. You know, you do have the 898 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,840 motorcycle accidents came in and they, the hospitals got money. 899 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,240 They had to test for COVID because there's money behind 900 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,320 testing for COVID and then there's money behind getting a 901 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,760 positive. And of course for a death 902 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,160 there's more money for that. So you know, you it, I mean it's 903 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,640 it's it's a mess. I'm not the expert on it. 904 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,400 There are books out there about it, but. 905 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,600 But that is certainly what we saw early on and what, you know, 906 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,880 my wife and I had the decision was, you know, we're we're not 907 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,240 gonna do any of this. We're not gonna hide the image 908 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,240 of God that we've been given our faces. 909 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,560 My wife never wore a mask. My children never wore one. 910 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,960 You know, they never saw me wear one. 911 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:35,400 And so, you know, to my shame, I compromised on that element for 912 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,720 a for a little while and then eventually, you know, I I'm 913 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,360 never gonna do that kind of thing again. 914 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,240 And I did refuse all COVID testing and and that was part of 915 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,760 why I ultimately got fired and then exiled. 916 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,920 So it was not just refusing the vaccine, but refusing testing 917 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,400 and refusing some of those other protocols. 918 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,600 So you got banned from my building for a while. 919 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,840 That was that was fun. But my wife is the truly 920 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,880 courageous person behind all this. 921 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,800 You know, she was the one kind of pushing me like, you know, in 922 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,080 into this fight. You know, she was, you know, 923 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,640 getting you know, dressed down and standing, you know, standing 924 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,640 down grocery store managers and and things like that, you know, 925 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960 in front of all the kids. Like she's the one with true 926 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,200 courage. So she actually, she tells this 927 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,400 story and and she's been invited to do a podcast with feds for 928 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,160 for freedom and she tells a story of when she, you know, 929 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,840 turned to me and called me a coward. 930 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,080 So I had. To I had to dig in deep. 931 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,080 Yeah, well. There's some interesting sort of 932 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,400 commonalities there that you and I share, 'cause I also refused 933 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,480 those COVID tests and they told me every 72 hours. 934 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,000 And I was like, I'm not outing myself that way. 935 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,320 To everybody else, it's none of their business. 936 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,160 But also and and I was kicked out of my building. 937 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,880 Did you get a wall? Did they put you on a wall at 938 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,240 all for that? No, but I had a lot of. 939 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,760 Service members who were reaching out. 940 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,720 So there was tons of us trying to protect others and service 941 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,680 members were reaching up, reaching out to us with that 942 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,880 exact issue. That's what they they did to my. 943 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,400 Fennel service and you're going like, I'm not AWOL. 944 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,920 I showed up. You told me to go home, 'cause 945 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,000 they wouldn't let me in the building. 946 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,680 Like what are you a holes doing that's not real standing 947 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,800 standing in the heat of the. Day, you know, out there outside 948 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,080 the building, you know, 'cause they can't go in. 949 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,720 And this this poor young lady, she's a, she was a dentist and 950 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,840 and she wouldn't do the test. And so they, you know, they 951 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,680 eventually started trying to call her AWOL. 952 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,880 Then they started talking about sending her to behavioral health 953 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,640 because she must be crazy for not. 954 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,160 Yeah, like that kind of stuff. So she actually reached out to 955 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,200 me and I wrote about this in the book. 956 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,400 She reached out to me and said, I'm very concerned that they're 957 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680 going to force me into behavioral health and then force 958 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,400 medicate me with with with stuff and and so yeah, there was some 959 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,520 of that going on in the military and you saw some of that, you 960 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,280 know, in in the video with Lance Castle like that. 961 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,000 They were what did they hit him? Do you know what they hit? 962 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,120 Things. Do you know what they injected 963 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,120 him with? Was that a sedative? 964 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,360 No. So. 965 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,520 I don't think he got forcibly injected with anything. 966 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,000 Now he and I haven't had a chance to talk. 967 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,040 I saw it in the video. They. 968 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,120 They. Injected him with something. 969 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,040 It's in the video that we've shared. 970 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,440 You can well, so here's the thing. 971 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,480 I got an eye for this sort of thing. 972 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,440 It's like that's my sedating a patient is something you do when 973 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,440 they're combative sometimes, and so hitting him with a benzo or 974 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,920 something like that to drop them down a level, people do that for 975 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,440 excited delirium. There's all these different 976 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,760 protocols, but I watched them. They the the dogpile happened on 977 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,440 arms and legs, which is where you go first. 978 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,360 Then they controlled his torso and somebody injected him with 979 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,480 something, but we don't know what. 980 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,400 So I don't know, maybe I can talk to him. 981 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,160 I also wonder if I ran across him at some point in time in my 982 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,560 Air Force career, 'cause he looks really familiar. 983 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,040 He's got that kind of face that looks familiar. 984 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,400 But it would not surprise me that I, because of the way that 985 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,960 I feel like God has been moving in a lot of this, that I've just 986 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,840 run across people that have no business having any common 987 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,320 connection to. I want to ask the the difficult 988 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,400 question, How did your church respond? 989 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,440 How was your faith community responding to this in the 990 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,480 Northeast 'cause I saw a lot of them do the opposite of courage 991 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,120 and I'm curious if yours was the same. 992 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,120 Yeah, that. That is the first time I've been 993 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,640 asked that question. It is, it is the toughest one. 994 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,840 We were at a fraternity parish in the Diocese of Richmond, 995 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,160 which is how I first heard of your of of your work and heard 996 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,880 your name, which thank you by the way, for your courage. 997 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:26,240 And so we that's where we were before the pandemic in 2019. 998 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:31,040 I got moved up to Rhode Island and you know I was not at the 999 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,920 fraternity parish in Richmond. Sorry, in in in where where we 1000 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,320 were in in the Virginia Beach area. 1001 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,920 But I've heard it could have been done better. 1002 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,000 And what I what I will say though is I thank God for the 1003 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,560 for the sake of my faith personally. 1004 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,720 He had us move to where we were, 'cause we had a diocesan priest 1005 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,280 who offered the traditional Latin Mass. 1006 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,680 Very courageous guy. You can go find him. 1007 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,240 He's, he's at Ipadre, I think on on Twitter. 1008 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,360 Great, fantastic. He he is a spiritual father, a 1009 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,040 wonderful man. Very courageous. 1010 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,360 The the kind of person who would offer secret masses, the kind of 1011 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,360 person who never enforced anything that that that violated 1012 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:24,280 people's consciences. And we were there in in that 1013 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,960 environment with that kind of leader and that helped get my, 1014 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,200 you know, me and my family through the pandemic without, 1015 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,720 without feelings of betrayal. And we're talking people who 1016 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,520 believe like us, we believe in eternal life, right? 1017 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,680 And so if we're so desperately grasping for this life, we have 1018 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,160 something missing. And and you know, if you're if 1019 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,040 you're willing to go along, especially with lies, when you, 1020 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,840 when you realize that hey, the mask was a lie, there's no way 1021 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,040 it could ever work. You've been? 1022 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,080 Through C Bernie training, I'm sure of it, Everybody gets a 1023 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,800 little taste of it. We yeah, we all know what a mop, 1024 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,360 what a mop Level 4 looks like, and even that's not guaranteed 1025 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,400 to save you and it's duct taping yourself to all the different 1026 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,200 barriers and you're going to put over a piece of bandana. 1027 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,880 I always tell people because it's just so easy. 1028 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,480 But it's like you ever been in an elevator and smelled a fart 1029 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,240 like that, Went through somebody's underwear and their 1030 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:18,160 jeans, and then into your face. You think a bandana's gonna do 1031 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,560 something to a virus? Like, come on, what are we doing 1032 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,640 here? It's so silly and sad. 1033 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,680 So you. The molecule size is very. 1034 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,040 Different. Oh, of course it's so. 1035 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,480 It's so simple. I mean, just a basic 1036 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,800 understanding of size. I told somebody that I was also 1037 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,040 gonna erect a a chain link fence in my backyard to keep the 1038 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,880 mosquitoes out, 'cause that's that's the same mentality when 1039 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,720 it comes to actual sizing. But your your church actually 1040 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,560 stood together. See? 1041 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,040 How many, how many people do you think experienced a priest that 1042 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,160 said our forefathers in faith would have died over this. 1043 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,600 They offered Masses in the catacombs around the stinking 1044 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,240 corpses in order to continue to celebrate when it was when it 1045 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,240 was outlawed. And then other people just like 1046 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,720 my church, they just shut it down. 1047 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,160 Oh, nobody in the cry room. It's dangerous. 1048 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,840 And you're like I got crying little kid. 1049 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,960 I got these little people. They're they're not going to be 1050 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,720 able to do this and they're certainly not going to wear a 1051 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,160 mask you know and and they shut it down I will say for. 1052 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,920 For a lot of those churches, the fear is was not of the virus 1053 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,800 like 'cause. 'Cause they? 1054 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,520 'Cause you know, especially for these, you know, traditionally 1055 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,760 leaning, you know, Orthodox, believing, you know, Catholic or 1056 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,240 Catholic Catholic churches, the fear wasn't of the virus. 1057 00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,960 The fear was of getting shut down by the Bishop, right? 1058 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,440 Or by the OR by the. Local health authorities or. 1059 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,480 Whatever was gonna come in some government intervention, right? 1060 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,320 Which is still Fear of man. Yes, so my. 1061 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,520 Issue with it all is it is a fear based decision and we're 1062 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,040 called to act encouraged and so you know there's prudence there 1063 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,760 too. So I I, I have tried much more 1064 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,920 recently to not judge as best as possible the the prudential 1065 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,560 decisions of others who actually have authority over the church. 1066 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,800 I don't have, I only have authority, you know, in my own 1067 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,200 family and over my own body. And so, you know, I I don't, I 1068 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,960 don't want to second guess other people's decisions about 1069 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,400 prudence. I I will just say that had I 1070 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,720 been there at the time and at my level of spiritual maturity, it 1071 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,760 might have been very dangerous to my fate. 1072 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,200 And so God had had moved me somewhere else and I and I got a 1073 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,960 somebody who had much more of our style of, you know, fighting 1074 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,320 back. I guess so, yeah. 1075 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,280 But but God works those ways. He knows people's strengths and 1076 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,160 weaknesses and you know, everybody has has what they 1077 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,880 need. So yeah, it's it's quite. 1078 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,480 Interesting to me, our faith journey was that my wife was 1079 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,440 coming into the Catholic Church at that point in time and had 1080 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,240 been raised without religion, and so we saw them shut this 1081 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:52,520 down. We went to New Mexico. 1082 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,280 New Mexico was actually more open than than Virginia. 1083 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,920 That doesn't make any sense cause New Mexico's very 1084 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,560 left-leaning and very blue and you just kind of like, wait, 1085 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,520 what? But all of that ended up kind of 1086 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,760 driving us hard into it. It's like, OK, well we're only 1087 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,080 going to accept sort of intensity now. 1088 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,600 It's got to be full bore. And then of course every once in 1089 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,600 a while God will put you to a decision for all your chips, 1090 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,920 which you've been in that fight. Let's talk about setting that 1091 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,040 red line. I always say prepare repair, you 1092 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,640 probably heard me say it in the ad reads. 1093 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,800 But I think that that affects both our spiritual life, our 1094 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,680 financial life, our physical life, our our our fitness. 1095 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,000 But but being able to do it with your faith and being able to do 1096 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,800 it with your values because if you don't know what the what 1097 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,520 your stance is on a challenge and you get challenged, often 1098 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:35,920 times you will falter. That's the reason why we do 1099 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,600 basic trainings. That's why we do stress 1100 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,320 inoculations for for military training. 1101 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,560 You want to talk about some of that mentality and and maybe how 1102 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,560 many people lost ground during that time because they hadn't 1103 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,160 had that chance. Most of us didn't know it was 1104 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,280 coming. I think that's fair. 1105 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,720 Yeah. So. 1106 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,840 I. Like to talk about it as a fifth 1107 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,440 generation war. It's a spiritual war. 1108 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,200 It's a fifth generation war. Those are not exactly the same 1109 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,200 things, but there's significant overlap. 1110 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,840 And so if you are in a fifth generation war, you know, it's 1111 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,360 it's a war for hearts and minds, a spiritual war, very similar. 1112 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,320 It's a war for your for your heart, mind your soul. 1113 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,200 If you are encouraged to go along with a lie and then you 1114 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,560 compromise on that lie, you are ceding ground in the 5th 1115 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,840 generation warfare. You're ceding ground in in your 1116 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,680 own spiritual war. Right. 1117 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,880 You're you're gonna, you're gonna compromise on something 1118 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,360 that you know to be true. And the mask is a good example. 1119 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,440 And so and I'll, I'll tell a couple stories like there was a 1120 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,080 a a a recruit for the Navy who I got to talk to, you know, nine 1121 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,840 months after this actually went down, he had joined the delay 1122 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,120 entry program for the Navy. He, the mandate came out. 1123 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,360 So before, you know, before it was during pandemic but before 1124 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,800 mandate, mandate comes out, he calls his detailers and say, 1125 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,520 hey, you know, I can't take this thing. 1126 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,560 I'm not gonna do it. Can I go ahead and put a 1127 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,680 religious accommodation in now before I show up, you know, and 1128 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,800 of course, like recruiters, they do anything they can to make 1129 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,960 sure they get the body, keep doing it, you know, hitting 1130 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,960 their quotas like, oh, you'll be good. 1131 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,680 You'll be fine. You know, government needs you. 1132 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,560 You know, just you can take care of it when you get here. 1133 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,240 So he shows up and he and a group of folks who don't want to 1134 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,680 do it after the mandate are in their, you know basic training 1135 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,880 at boot camp and they're they're isolated. 1136 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,640 They, you know they do their their quarantine thing. 1137 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,520 They're there's tape on the ground like 8 foot squares. 1138 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,440 They've got to stay in. They're given one hour of 1139 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,440 outside daylight in the course of two weeks And then they're 1140 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,920 repeatedly I mean this is like straight from Russian gulag or 1141 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,240 or some crazy they they bring them repeatedly in front of the 1142 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:46,120 medical professionals and their leadership and they're harassed. 1143 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,160 They're told you're the ones killing grandma. 1144 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,480 They they verbally abuse them. It's psychological abuse. 1145 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,440 And almost everybody in his boot camp class eventually caved and 1146 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,240 eventually went along with this and like this is too much, you 1147 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,560 know and and they they took the shot or or they they left. 1148 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,280 He said no I'm going to serve. I'm going to stay in. 1149 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,760 So he fought. He kept asking for to see a 1150 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,240 chaplain, not even knowing that the chaplain visit in the in the 1151 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,280 Navy is the very first thing you do to start your religious 1152 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,480 accommodation process. They wouldn't even let him start 1153 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,360 the request for an for a religious accommodation. 1154 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,480 And they kept, you know, verbally abusing him. 1155 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:33,800 So he served, his name's Owen. He served 39 days honorably, the 1156 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,080 United States Navy before they ultimately kicked him out. 1157 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,320 And I tell people what he did in standing up for his conscience. 1158 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,360 He won his Fifth Generation Warfare battle. 1159 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,880 We're all gonna face him. Owen won his and and he left. 1160 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,560 That left boot camp honorably. And he served honorably for 39 1161 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,640 days. And I'll tell you, he served 1162 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,840 much more honorably than a significant number of our 1163 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,800 Admirals and generals who have served almost that number in 1164 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,480 years because they have compromised, you know, for a 1165 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,360 career and Owen did not. And so that's, that's the level 1166 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,320 of decision, that's the level of fight we're going to have to 1167 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,520 take to win back our constitutional rights. 1168 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,640 From my own story, my wife and I made the decision, you know, 1169 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,800 when they were threatening court martials and we were starting to 1170 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,400 see people kicked out and getting on their DD2 fourteens 1171 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,240 at your exit, you know, paperwork from the military 1172 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,400 Commission of a serious offense. And we typically reserve that 1173 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,240 for assaults and you know, armed robberies and things like that. 1174 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,800 It's very serious offences and and you put the threat of court 1175 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,440 martial together with that, it it can come with jail time. 1176 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,880 And so we made the decision that, you know, when they were 1177 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,960 threatening court martials, that I'm gonna go to jail before I go 1178 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,040 and violate my conscience and go get this biological agent 1179 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,400 injected into my body. And so we even built a plan, 1180 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:01,760 like I, you know, called my parents. 1181 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,080 Hey, we're gonna, you know, we'll send my wife and my kids, 1182 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,320 they're gonna come down, live with you. 1183 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,320 I'll serve my time in prison and then I'll get out and, you know, 1184 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,040 swing hammers and dig ditches or whatever. 1185 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,800 Like, that's the level of decision that we made together 1186 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,160 as a couple. And it wasn't a hard one. 1187 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,320 It was a 5 minute conversation. Like, OK, how far are we willing 1188 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,240 to go for what we believe in? You know, you mentioned the 1189 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,240 martyrs earlier and you, you mentioned, you know, mass and 1190 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,160 the catacombs. If we don't get back to that 1191 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:32,280 level of uncompromising. Faith and met with action, then 1192 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,040 you know the country's gonna fail. 1193 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,920 But more importantly, the individual and their fight for 1194 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,320 their eternal soul. That is what's most at risk, and 1195 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,400 that's what everybody should be most concerned about. 1196 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:44,320 You've mentioned it. Twice now. 1197 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,640 So I'm gonna, I'm gonna hone in on it. 1198 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,440 The critical importance of a united household, of a spouse 1199 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,120 that's willing to push as hard or harder than you will. 1200 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,840 I had the same experience with my wife. 1201 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,400 I came to her at one point. I was like I might did I miss 1202 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,080 the thread, 'cause you always got to ask yourself unless 1203 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,320 you're a sociopath, right? Am I just completely missing 1204 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,760 what's going on here? If I'm. 1205 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,880 I'm the odd man out. Is it me? 1206 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,720 Am I the problem or is really it. 1207 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,640 Am I really the one guy standing against the many saying that 1208 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,280 everybody else is yes you are all wrong. 1209 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,480 And and I came to my wife and I said, should I just get the 1210 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,440 shot? Is that the right answer? 1211 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,400 Do we just get it and just suck it up and and then retired and 1212 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,600 she was like absolutely not. Like under no circumstances 1213 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,000 you'll figure it out. Like you said swing a hammer dig 1214 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,600 ditches. I actually preferred that to a 1215 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:24,840 lot of the work that I've done in my life. 1216 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,120 I find that very meaningful to use my hands. 1217 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,880 So that was kind of a it's like OK. 1218 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,480 But the critical piece was is you got to have that brain trust 1219 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,440 that backstop of a spouse or close friends or whatever it is 1220 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,640 in people's lives. Will you talk about maybe what 1221 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,520 set your marriage up for this sort of test? 1222 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,040 Cause for a lot of people to test for you? 1223 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,080 A 5 minute conversation that was about the same with mine. 1224 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,920 It's like, no. And it's like oh OK good. 1225 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,200 We're on the same page then. Good. 1226 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,800 How do you, how did you set your marriage up for that success? 1227 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,240 Obviously you didn't know what was coming for you, but it was. 1228 01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,200 We were aligned spiritually from early on. 1229 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,720 Now you know in our marriage I'm I'm probably the weaker 1, 1230 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,000 frankly. She's she is deep strength and 1231 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,800 maybe a lot more aggression too when when she has a feeling 1232 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,880 about what's right and wrong you know she she will go on offense. 1233 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,680 So a lot of a lot of what I am have done in projecting is it's 1234 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,080 really from it's really from her. 1235 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,720 So I think the set up is that you you got to be aligned 1236 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,320 spiritually with your with your goals and for your family and 1237 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,320 spiritual life. But if you're not, if you're not 1238 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,880 communicating and you're not aligned on on the the important 1239 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,520 things, then it's gonna be much harder. 1240 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,520 Not impossible. I do know one Air Force 06 who 1241 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,120 made it through he was part of our kind of inner circle 1242 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,320 fighting back at the strategic level in the military. 1243 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,200 And there I mean there's a group of us you'll see a lot of those 1244 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,920 names on you know signatures on the declaration of military 1245 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,280 accountability. But in the case of this one Air 1246 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,560 Force officer, his wife was completely opposed to his 1247 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,960 stance. And to see this the the the 1248 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,880 drain on him trying to lead, trying to make a decision for 1249 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,800 himself and then not having the support at home, it can be 1250 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,360 devastating. You know their marriage has 1251 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:22,240 survived that, so it's not impossible, but that's A2 front 1252 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,400 war. That's a lot harder. 1253 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:24,960 I could. I can't. 1254 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,360 Imagine I've told, I've told him before like I I just can't 1255 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,240 imagine having fought that without, you know, my wife 1256 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,040 sitting there using me as the body, you know, the body shield 1257 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,200 to to push me into the fight. I'm I'm just kidding. 1258 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,400 That's our job though, that. I mean that. 1259 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,800 Is our role. So I've talked to Mark out you 1260 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,600 may you know probably know who he is and I have met him. 1261 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,360 Yeah, I handed. Him a copy of the book and I'm 1262 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,480 so honored to meet him. He's he's a really good guy. 1263 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,480 And one of the things he talks about is sort of the role of 1264 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,000 men, which I think has been lost with the sort of weak culture 1265 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,520 that we have 'cause we keep pushing weakness. 1266 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,560 But he says men's job are leader, protector and provider. 1267 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,240 And I think that breaks down something. 1268 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,960 I mean, we all have different words for the same sort of 1269 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,720 thing. But yeah, your job, if you're 1270 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,760 going to be the protector, that means you are the human shield. 1271 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,400 And your wife is supposed to push you out there and be like, 1272 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,240 hey, go solve this problem. The world is coming for us. 1273 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,040 Get to the front of The Cave. It is your job to make sure that 1274 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,400 the ones behind you, they don't see what happens out there. 1275 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,720 That's that's where men are supposed to go into the fight. 1276 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,600 That's why we signed up for the military, I think. 1277 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,680 Yeah, I love that analogy. That's that is great. 1278 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,400 I I might have to steal that. Take it. 1279 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,320 It's yours. I'll so. 1280 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,400 I'll tell you this is real simple. 1281 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,120 When I was deciding to enlist at 27 is later than most you 1282 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,720 commissioned it probably what, 22 years old? 1283 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,520 Something like that, Yeah. Right around there. 1284 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,880 So I. Got five more years of being. 1285 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,360 Dumb, retarded. As my chat likes me to say, 1286 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,400 'cause I grew up in the 80s and and you know, you just say these 1287 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,040 kind of things, It's like, yeah, I was foolish. 1288 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,800 And I started reflecting on my life. 1289 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,320 It's like, what would my role be in society 10,000 years ago? 1290 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,960 Where would I be? And my job would be hunting 1291 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,840 Buffalo and laying out in the grass for three days to be able 1292 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,200 to bring down food or standing out there in front of an, you 1293 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,360 know, an enemy tribe and making sure they don't come from my 1294 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,040 people in the village. So when I put myself in sort of 1295 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,320 a very simple world, that was my thought. 1296 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,560 And it's the same role when you become a father because now you 1297 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,080 got a little tribe, you got a big tribe. 1298 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,360 Actually, you got a pretty good sized tribe back there. 1299 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,840 It's. It's your. 1300 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,800 Job to be at. The mouth of The Cave to make 1301 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,840 sure that the little ones behind you and and show your sons what 1302 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,720 it looks like. And soon they stand shoulder to 1303 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,880 shoulder and now you got even a bigger front, right? 1304 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,320 But if we're not doing that, are we even doing our job as men? 1305 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,640 And so I I love that Mark Halke always puts that out there, 1306 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,280 'cause if that's how you go after the DoD, that's how you go 1307 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,760 after the DOJ and stand in the way and say no, you know you're 1308 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,160 you're Gandalf on the, on the, on the bridge, you know, hitting 1309 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,560 the staff. You shall not pass. 1310 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,680 This is where I stand. I may go down into the gap, too. 1311 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,440 That's the other piece. A lot of us, you know, get are 1312 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,720 going to get dragged for a while. 1313 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,640 But I appreciate that it talks about this. 1314 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,960 So we we have this little badge. You've probably seen this. 1315 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:41,880 We're going to get you one of them. 1316 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,000 If it's all right with you, I'll send it to you. 1317 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,400 You can wear it or not, but you can have it for sure. 1318 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,480 It's, it's a sign of white martyrdom. 1319 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,240 Is is really what we're talking about here. 1320 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,360 And you want to kind of discuss the concept of the white martyrs 1321 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,800 and the red martyrs. Are you familiar with that? 1322 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,360 Sort of that framing of the world, 'cause I think a lot of 1323 01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,200 people, every time I say it, they go like, man, I never heard 1324 01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:59,720 it. It's like, well, a lot of people 1325 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,240 know, let's talk about white martyrdom. 1326 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,560 Yeah, so. You certainly can speak to it 1327 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,360 better than I can, but it's a, you know, St. 1328 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,840 Maximil and Colby kind of thing, right? 1329 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,680 You, you, the white martyrdom where you're not gonna 1330 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,200 necessarily be killed. You know you're not shedding 1331 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,080 your blood for your faith, but you're gonna endure significant 1332 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,680 harassment, struggle. People are are going to come for 1333 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,360 you, make this hard. You know, you've mentioned Mark 1334 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,320 Hauck. He talks about, you know, he 1335 01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,760 realized in the course of, you know, him getting shackled and 1336 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,160 and dragged around and humiliated, you know, for 1337 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,880 protecting his son because he was of the wrong persuasion on a 1338 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,760 on a political issue because he stood for life that it was the 1339 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,360 the process was the punishment. That's that's what he described 1340 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,480 in in the talk I heard with him when when when I had the honor 1341 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,000 of meeting him. You know that that's the white 1342 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,560 martyrdom. Now, are are we also going to 1343 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,960 like St. Maximi and Kolbly get the get 1344 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,520 the red, the crown of red martyrdom? 1345 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,720 I don't know. Now that's that's left to be 1346 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,440 seen. But if we don't take that stand 1347 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,200 you're talking about I I love the analogy. 1348 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,120 If we don't get to the front of The Cave, the enemy's gonna get 1349 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,000 in The Cave and the chances are much greater. 1350 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,040 So we've got to take that stand. We've got to endure whatever the 1351 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:25,080 white martyrdom is for now and be willing to make it red if if 1352 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,280 we're going to have any chance of of keeping this country, what 1353 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,800 it was passed down to us, as I want to be respectful of your. 1354 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,680 Time and give you time because I know you got another meeting 1355 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,400 coming up here. Let's talk about just the last 1356 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,160 thing, the cost, because there is a cost professionally, 1357 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,080 personally, you know, there's a spiritual cost, 'cause it's just 1358 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,640 a heavyweight to carry. But can you talk about some of 1359 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,680 those things a little bit? And then we'll we'll plug the 1360 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,480 the book and we'll show people where they can get all that kind 1361 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,400 of stuff. But it's the cost is not 1362 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,640 nothing. It's not nothing. 1363 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,360 But it's insignificant in terms of of eternal rewards. 1364 01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,960 I mean, you've probably heard of Pascal's Wager, right? 1365 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:05,520 You, you, you make a a temporal wager of of some of your time in 1366 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,880 order to potentially get an eternal reward. 1367 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,960 Any cost we pay in that environment is is minuscule. 1368 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,360 But I will say for me personally, I mean I I had a 1369 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,960 command opportunity taken for me. 1370 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,200 I had a year long in residence or college opportunity. 1371 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,880 I was going to get another master's degree. 1372 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:26,080 I was already slated for it. That got taken my exile of seven 1373 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,560 months. You know I told only to call in. 1374 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,399 That was my only duty. I did that for three weeks. 1375 01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,960 I stopped taking the call. You know, it could be it's 1376 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,080 pretty isolating. It's meant to be some form of 1377 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,600 psychological warfare. But all of that is minimal 1378 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,240 compared to what other people went through. 1379 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,279 There were there were court. There was at least one court 1380 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:48,000 martial just learned about another one with the senior 1381 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,200 recruit Castle or sorry senior airman Castle people went 1382 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,560 through devastating things and one Navy SEAL stood up for his 1383 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,840 own rights and he he refused to take the shot. 1384 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,399 He got isolated with with other seals they were given menial 1385 01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,800 labor doing yard work stuff like that. 1386 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,600 They weren't allowed they had their badge access to their 1387 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,600 their unit building taken away. They had to get escorted when 1388 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,760 they were told to come in to do, you know urinalysis drug test 1389 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,680 like like a foreign like a foreign, you know, visitor or 1390 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,359 something like it's it's insane that one of those Navy Seals, 1391 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:32,160 his first name is Danny, he he was found as a suicide, you know 1392 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,600 early in September after the mandate. 1393 01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,880 And you know, I was told by one of his his teammates, one of the 1394 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,120 other Navy Seals shortly after that, that the very last thing 1395 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,279 that Danny did and for the last service he performed for his 1396 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,120 country was yard work outside the building. 1397 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,080 He was no longer allowed to enter like. 1398 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:56,480 So the cost is significant and our leaders need to start by 1399 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,480 acknowledging it and studying this and making sure that they 1400 01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:02,440 put in place things that that ensure this never happens again. 1401 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,320 So for everything that you know, you, your your listeners, your 1402 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,720 your viewers have endured in this fight or whether they went 1403 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,320 along with this like this is the opportunity for us to join and 1404 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,000 stand up for individual rights. Because if we don't, we're gonna 1405 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,320 lose it. So the the cost is is tiny, but 1406 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,920 the reward here is potentially infinite. 1407 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,640 Very well said. And I wanted to pivot that to 1408 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,880 your military accountability. This is the document folks. 1409 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,360 Do you want to kind of talk people through that, Rob? 1410 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,920 Just kind of let them know what the structure was, why you guys 1411 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,600 did it Folks, you can go to the website, it's actually in the 1412 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,720 show now. It's very easy to find, but I 1413 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,360 want you to get a visual of it. It's not a graphic website. 1414 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:47,680 It is a, it is a text based message first type website. 1415 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,720 It's almost all text and it's, it's dense. 1416 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,680 It looks like, you know, kind of like some famous documents 1417 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,320 people may have seen in history. Yeah, sorry guys. 1418 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,080 You're going to have to. Do a little reading if you if 1419 01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,560 you really want to get into it. But so the book had come out 1420 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,600 July 4th, 2023. And I thought for sure, like 1421 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,560 every time I've written something, I started writing in 1422 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,000 October of 2021 written Mutiny complaints against Admirals and 1423 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,640 and you know, filing, you know, anything I could do like, you 1424 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,560 know, firing off emails and I mean just I've, I've fought with 1425 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,120 the pen as best I could and so kept escalating and ultimately 1426 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,440 it ended up being in the book and I realized that they're 1427 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,280 ignoring the book. They're gonna continue to ignore 1428 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,400 us. They sidelined us, 'cause they 1429 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,200 don't wanna deal with the underlying issues. 1430 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,480 They wanna they don't wanna have a discussion on the merits. 1431 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,840 So I realized that they were gonna, even though I called out 1432 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,400 names in the book as an act of duty 05, calling out my Admirals 1433 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,960 like it's it's crazy they would ignore this. 1434 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,400 So I ultimately said hey we gotta go on the offensive. 1435 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,880 And so this is me. I spent a couple of weeks like 1436 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,480 right in the first draft of that kind of honing it. 1437 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,960 I want to make sure that we talked earlier about it, you 1438 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,760 know, injecting some personal risk trying to ensure we have 1439 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,240 accountability. And then ultimately you know we 1440 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,840 we got some other folks kind of our strategic thinkers together. 1441 01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:13,200 They helped hone the words. We got it down to one page and 1442 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,520 then went public with it. Brad Miller, he, he was the one 1443 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,600 who, you know, we we said, hey, it's probably best coming from 1444 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,440 him, 'cause he's not active duty and we sent it to the the active 1445 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,160 members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 1446 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,920 So probably not best coming from me, but so Brad, Brad sent that 1447 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,680 off and you know he got 4 something million views shortly 1448 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,240 after. So it resonated with folks. 1449 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,120 So go check it out, the Declaration of Military 1450 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,760 accountability. And it's it's us going on 1451 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,040 offensive as best we can because you know, going to the American 1452 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,240 people because they're ignoring us, they don't want to hear what 1453 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,240 we have to say. I like hearing your little one 1454 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:48,600 in the. Background that's simulating a 1455 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,440 raid on your house by the Sergeants at Arms. 1456 01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:51,960 No, that's. This is what my house sounds 1457 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,760 like all the time too, and and there's something kind of 1458 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,840 comforting about knowing that there's little people running 1459 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,280 around. That's what this is about, I 1460 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,480 assume, right? It's about the next generation, 1461 01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:03,920 'cause I think ours is probably not going to be able to save it 1462 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,280 in entirety. But maybe throwing ourself into 1463 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,920 the breach is what lets your little ones who are out there, 1464 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,240 you know, banging on the door trying to get in and see what 1465 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,680 Dad's up to. Maybe they get a little better 1466 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,960 slice, because it doesn't seem like we've kind of lost some of 1467 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,640 the major principles in this country over the last 20 or 30 1468 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,320 years we we have. It's we've gone from being, you 1469 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,400 know, centered on on principles to centered on selfishness, and 1470 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,600 then, you know, now ultimately flat out untruths. 1471 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,400 And we're expected to, you know, vocally support people's, you 1472 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,240 know, fantasies of things that aren't true. 1473 01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:40,760 And so, yeah, we've got to get back to the true principles if 1474 01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,840 we're going to have any hope. And it'll like we said earlier 1475 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,640 in the show, it took us a long time to get here. 1476 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,560 It's been a long, slow drag. It's accelerated certainly in 1477 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,640 the last, you know, 5-10 years. So but it it, it won't be a 1478 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,360 massive swing back really quick, I don't think, I think it's 1479 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,720 going to take us a long time. It'll be our kids, you know, and 1480 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,160 our grandkids, I think, are going to have to re establish 1481 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,080 our country with proper principles. 1482 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,040 Your Twitter says Rob Green 1010. 1483 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,560 What's the 1010? Is that a thing? 1484 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,800 Yeah, my 10/10 was my. Favorite number Playing baseball 1485 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,840 in high school, but ten was taken. 1486 01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,280 Rob Green, 10, was taken. And so Brad Miller has Brad 1487 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,520 Miller 1010. He does that because it's 1488 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:28,800 birthday. But I was like, I'm going to 1489 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,880 emulate him because I look up to him and he's a great guy. 1490 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,960 So that's why Rob Green 1010, I love it. 1491 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,240 All right, I'm going to throw it on the screen, right? 1492 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:35,600 Here folks, this. So you're looking at the right 1493 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,640 one. It's got a picture of the book 1494 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,960 in the the icon. If you're watching us on Rumble 1495 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,520 or if you're seeing us over on Twitter, you guys can follow Rob 1496 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:46,480 at Rob Green 1010 and that is the bio pace you'll see there. 1497 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,360 I love the the where, where's that image of the cross? 1498 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:50,400 What is it? What is that, a Chapel 1499 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,480 somewhere? Yeah, that's the portrait Cola. 1500 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,400 In Franciscan University right there. 1501 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,320 So it's really neat. A lot of time praying there. 1502 01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,520 I I went to a. Cistercian school when I was in 1503 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,400 5th and 6th grade, and they had this incredible stone Chapel 1504 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,800 that they had somehow built out of like this enormous pieces of 1505 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,160 limestone. And then they did glass block 1506 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,200 and then a cedar roof. And it looked like the roof was 1507 01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,760 levitating above you as you sat in there. 1508 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,000 But it was so simple. It was just a rectangle, you 1509 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,360 know? And they would do Gregorian 1510 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,640 chant there. And that kind of gives me that 1511 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:22,800 vibe, that kind of like a place of of actual sacred, which a a 1512 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,720 lot of these churches now, they look more like they were built 1513 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,120 in the 70s. They don't have that spirit to 1514 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,320 them. Yeah. 1515 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,240 Well, well, that, that one. 'S modeled after the one that 1516 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,280 Saint Francis built by hand. And so it's it's meant to be a 1517 01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,280 replica of that. So it's very small. 1518 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,360 It's it's, you know, the stones, you know, look like they're 1519 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,840 dragged over and and constructed. 1520 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,560 So I will say, if you go find me on social media, be patient with 1521 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:46,680 me. I'm brand new to it. 1522 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,080 I swore I would never get on social media, but I've been 1523 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,800 encouraged to and and so we'll learn together. 1524 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,640 I guess there are all those who follow me it it is a necessary. 1525 01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,640 Sacrifice. I go on there all the time now 1526 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,840 and I spend a lot of time doing it. 1527 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,240 But I I had a, a supervisor. He was like, he used to make fun 1528 01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,800 of people on social media. I was like, yeah, I still do. 1529 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,160 I still make fun of it. It's a cesspool. 1530 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,960 So I told people in the show notes that they want to follow 1531 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,760 you on the cesspool of Twitter. They can do so. 1532 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,880 And I put the link in there. I think you'll probably 1533 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,400 appreciate that. There's nothing good about it. 1534 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,080 Rob, thanks so much for for joining me today and sharing 1535 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,280 your your sort of experience. But also I want to encourage 1536 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,880 people to go and follow that book and and I want to wish you 1537 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,040 really good luck. Because man, if if somebody's 1538 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,280 not standing up there in all these different forums, this is, 1539 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,240 this is the fight. It turns out for our generation. 1540 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,960 Who knew after 20 years of war, this is actually the fight at 1541 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,600 the home front, huh? Yeah, it's a domestic enemy. 1542 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,400 We've got to combat, and I just want to thank you, thank you for 1543 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,400 using this platform to to fight for individual liberty, to fight 1544 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,280 for those principles and values. I mean, this is fantastic. 1545 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,840 I'm so honored to to have an opportunity to talk with you. 1546 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,520 Honor's all mine. I enjoyed. 1547 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,320 It we'll we'll talk offline and we'll get you one of these pins 1548 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,120 if you want it. Then if nothing else, you can 1549 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,000 give it to your wife and she can wear it around 'cause it sounds 1550 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,680 like she she also earned one. Thanks for joining me today, 1551 01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,080 buddy, and good luck on the rest of your day. 1552 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,560 Thanks. 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So I'm sorry about that. 1590 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,080 I don't know who said it but they said man that is a really 1591 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,920 cool shirt that is in the thumbnail. 1592 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,080 That is from the suspendables.com. 1593 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,880 It is the merch store for the suspendable crew. 1594 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,480 You can buy your own version of the of the pin. 1595 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,840 It is the white one. The black ones are only handed 1596 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:55,960 out. These ones are for sale. 1597 01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,360 You guys can get three of them for 30 bucks if you want to hit 1598 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,880 up the O'boyle family sweatshop. There's less sweating when it 1599 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,480 comes to just shipping those out and you'll see there is the 1600 01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:06,920 rifle right on the screen with me, the rifle and the quill, 1601 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:10,720 just like Rob was talking about at the Pen is my ear in the 1602 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,600 sword. For now, whenever we can use it, 1603 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,720 we want to do that sort of thing. 1604 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,000 Use promo code Kyle to save 10% at the website 1605 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,960 thedashsuspendables.com. You'll find all these links in 1606 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,320 the show description. Very easy to do and you can find 1607 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,360 it. You're looking for the night OPS 1608 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,480 versions which are like that that that kind of cool, very 1609 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,880 high resolution, green on black. That was the shirt for those who 1610 01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,440 didn't see our thumbnail. Anyway, support them. 1611 01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:35,120 Support the O boils. Support all of our sponsors. 1612 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,520 If you guys like this, show is brought to you by that. 1613 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,360 But make sure you have subscribed on Rumble if you are 1614 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,920 not already. Go over it, hit the follow 1615 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,200 button, do it on a computer and then you can hit the 1616 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,880 subscription button. It's 5 bucks a month and you 1617 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,840 will be supporting our program. It's brought to you by Catholic 1618 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,320 Vote, by 4 Patriots, by Patriot, coolers.com, Mad Hat, Jerky and 1619 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,040 my pillow. All those folks always use the 1620 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,240 promo code. Kyle, Kyle, We keep keep it 1621 01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,920 simple and you can follow us at rumble.com/kyle Seraphin or on 1622 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,560 all social medias at Kyle Seraphin. 1623 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:04,760 I just keep it simple. I don't know. 1624 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,560 It's my name. It's very easy to do. 1625 01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,760 Y'all. Let's do this real quick too. 1626 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,760 Last thing, there's a couple of cool pictures of Commander Rob 1627 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:14,160 Green. We'll do it while he's off the 1628 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:15,320 screen. So he is not liable for 1629 01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:16,600 anything. These are public domain photos, 1630 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,920 but there he is, swearing in and carrying one of his kiddos with 1631 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,200 a Catholic priest. The man who's living by it. 1632 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,200 I'm also encourage you guys to check out today's Loop because 1633 01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,960 it does have that. This is the article that I wrote 1634 01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,440 and you'll find out that the first sentence talks about 1635 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:32,000 betrayal, which we just discussed. 1636 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,560 Me and Rob organically coming to the same problem, Betrayal 1637 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,280 within these agencies. Totally worth your time to check 1638 01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,080 those things out. All the links in the description 1639 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:41,960 folks. We will see you again tomorrow 1640 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,520 for a friendly Friday. Thanks for joining us for this 1641 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,640 long form conversation. I really enjoy doing these and 1642 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:52,280 what a cool guy. Follow Rob at Rob Green 1010. 1643 01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,160 We'll see you again in the morning. 1644 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,520 God bless you and see you then. Thanks for listening to The Kyle 1645 01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,480 Serafin Show streamed live weekdays on rumble.com/kyle 1646 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,720 Serafin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, True 1647 01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,080 Social, and Instagram at Kyle Serafin.