1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,200 Take a look. Behind the curtain, with a real 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,400 whistleblower, an American patriot, prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,840 uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,560 agent Kyle Sarah. Well, hello my friends, and 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,560 welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show. 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,120 Today is Thursday, it is April the 4th in 2024 and we are 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,560 rolling live on rumble.com/kyle Serafin. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,240 Make sure you have hit the like button, hit the subscribe 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,680 button. I actually don't always talk 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,080 this fast, but I'm amped up. Yeah, I gave myself extra time 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,720 this morning because I knew I didn't have to prep for like a 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,280 regular show. I just had to have my mind right 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,560 because we're going to be talking to Steve Baker, my 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,360 friend. Suspendable Blaze Correspondent, 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,560 Blaze Media Investigative Reporter So I I wanted all the 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,800 sleep that I could get. Went to bed a little earlier 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,480 than normal. Gave myself a solid 8 and change 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,920 hours and like so many things. And Steve will be able to attest 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,760 to this as well. When you make good plans, God 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,040 just laughs in your face and says you silly little man, you 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,360 can't do that. Because my daughter came in at 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,520 before 5:00 AM and then spent the next hour and a half just 25 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,440 kicking me, letting me know she was in my bed taking up space. 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,840 My wife was up feeding the baby in our our guest bedroom. 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,000 What a way to start the day. Can't make it up, that's just 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,600 how it goes. Then we had some little audio 29 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,360 issues so we appreciate all of you all joining us even though 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,040 we are just a couple seconds late on the stream. 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,560 Not intentional and nothing nefarious, just a little bit of 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,560 settings issues. Let me cover down on the 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,680 sponsors that support our podcast and we're going to get 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,760 into however much time we want with Steve Baker with a hard cut 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,800 off at 11:00 Eastern Time because Dan Bongino is going to 36 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,280 be talking about stuff that's near and dear to my heart. 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,560 So here we go. Without wasting any time, my 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,560 friends over at Patriot Coolers. You guys should check them out. 39 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,280 We are working on uploading the vector files to them. 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,440 The e-mail should be going back and forth so you can get your 41 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,040 own suspendables mugs. They don't have to have stickers 42 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,840 on them. They can be this 16 ounce. 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,560 They can be the 19 oz that's sitting next to me. 44 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,640 I am rocking on caffeine right now and it is nice and warm 45 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,440 because of my Patriot cooler. You guys can get your own at 46 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,120 patriotcoolers.com. The promo code is Kyle, It's 47 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Kyle. 4 little letters. Saves you 10%. 48 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,040 That's how you do it. Patriot coolers.com Check out 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,960 their hard sided coolers too if you guys are looking for 50 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,480 something. If you were in the market for an 51 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,560 upgrade, if your old igloo finally gave up the ghost from 52 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 the 1990s and it's no longer it's got holes in it or it's all 53 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,240 beat to garbage. Looks like trash. 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,440 Yep, check them out. That's where you want to be. 55 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Patriot coolers.com will also let you know that the world is 56 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,440 not getting any less strange as Steve and I are about to talk 57 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,080 about. You never know when you might 58 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,640 need to be a little bit more secure in your calorie count and 59 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,480 you can do that by going to fourpatriots.com/kyle. 60 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,840 We always tell you to prepare or repair. 61 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,080 Let me tell you this, when I first got these they gave me a 62 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,240 handful like the 72 hour pack and we went ahead and we just 63 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,840 opened them up and cooked them up. 64 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,800 Which is why I don't have samples of their product, at 65 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,760 least not samples that I'm like that are broken out. 66 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,960 And the fact of the matter is, you're not looking for five 67 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,640 Michelin stars if you are starving, having been starving, 68 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,760 having gone days and days without food when I was hanging 69 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,240 out at survival school, all you really want is something that's 70 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,000 warm, It's got some flavor to it, and it's going to nourish 71 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,200 you with enough calories to keep you moving forward. 72 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,360 This is the option, and you don't have to eat them all the 73 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,400 time. I'm not saying you should 74 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,200 replace them with your normal steak if that's what you're 75 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,920 doing, but I'm just saying, if you don't have something stashed 76 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,840 away for a rainy day when things get weird around you, then 77 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,480 you're making a mistake. Go to four patriots.com/kyle 78 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,360 better than MRE's. Regardless of what you guys 79 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,560 think in the chat, You wild animals for patriots.com/kyle 80 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,360 Serafin. And I think that's where we're 81 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,640 going to land right now. Let me make sure I don't even 82 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,920 know. Of course, because we had to 83 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,240 reboot Steve. I'm going to have to re add him 84 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,440 to a scene. Bear with me all we're about to 85 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,840 bring on the man, the myth, the Steve Baker. 86 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Hey buddy. Oh, I got to unmute you. 87 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,360 I got to unmute you. That's the other thing I got all 88 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,680 the things clicked. All right, we're ready. 89 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,560 And there we both are at the same time. 90 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Look at this. How you doing buddy? 91 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Should we go back and talk about ex girlfriends again? 92 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,840 We're back. OK, of course. 93 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Of course there has to be changes. 94 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,400 By the way, I don't ever mess with these settings. 95 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,680 I don't need to mess with these settings. 96 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,519 Except when someone comes on and it gets crazy. 97 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:17,880 All right, now the chat's going nuts with that. 98 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,160 We hear you now all. Right. 99 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,079 Awesome. OK. 100 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,640 So, Steve, you made good plans just like mine. 101 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,400 They fell apart. They heard the punchline. 102 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,040 It wasn't my ex-girlfriend. What? 103 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,160 What ex-girlfriend were you dreaming of if not mine? 104 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,000 I I probably shouldn't mention her by name, but I've never 105 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,760 dreamed of. It's amazing with what I've gone 106 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,800 through for the last three years. 107 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,400 I've never dreamed about your ex-girlfriend. 108 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,960 I've only drunk texted him on occasion, you know, so I. 109 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,600 Like that you called my ex-girlfriend. 110 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,400 To him, we're having some gender bending thing. 111 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,600 Look, and that's all right. So for those who have never 112 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,640 heard Steve Baker, who I'll have to chop out that that early part 113 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,080 where we had no audio, and that's a shame, all right. 114 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,360 For those who have never heard of you who don't know your 115 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,320 story, let's start at the very beginning, which is a very good 116 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,560 place to start. Let's talk about, because we've 117 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,280 done hours and hours and hours of conversation, you and I. 118 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:09,600 And the first time you were on, I I was reminiscing with my 119 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,000 father about this the other day. The first time that you were on 120 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,720 my program was right off a very short hit that you did with 121 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,200 Tucker Carlson, right? Yeah, that's right. 122 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,160 And then we went like Joe Rogan territory 3 plus hours non-stop. 123 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,880 You know, pee breaks required all of that. 124 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,560 And it we've come a long ways from that moment. 125 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,840 Like that was a that was a that was a lifetime ago. 126 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,040 Look, there's so much that has happened, and I was reminiscing 127 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,480 about that this morning as well, trying to figure out where we 128 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,680 should start today. And I don't even remember what 129 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,040 our last 'cause our last conversation was. 130 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Prior to you going and getting arrested in a little pill. 131 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,280 Box two or three hours in and of itself and you know of course 132 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,400 obviously you and I chat offline. 133 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,520 We, we have a regular ongoing conversation almost daily about 134 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,360 the things that both of us are up against in dealing with on a 135 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,560 daily basis. But having said that, I don't 136 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,640 remember what the last stopping point was in this journey that 137 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,360 we're both on at the time. And I certainly we haven't 138 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,440 spoken since my arrest. We haven't spoken since I got to 139 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,480 bless the magistrate in a Dallas in leg chains. 140 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,040 And then you know yesterday I was my actual arraignment in 141 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,480 front of my actual judge. And so there's a lot to talk 142 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,800 about there as well. And to be honest with you, you 143 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,560 know, even though so my attorneys are always, you know, 144 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,480 they've got their nuts up in their throat whenever I'm doing 145 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,240 an interview because they never know what I'm going to say. 146 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,280 I I still don't feel, I don't feel much in the way of 147 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:45,920 restrictions. I don't feel much in the way of 148 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,200 limiting my speech. I'm certainly I have no 149 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,680 intention to do so, you know and I and I have to be maybe a 150 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,680 little bit more careful about a couple of specific things, but 151 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,720 other than that we well. We don't need to hurt any. 152 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,600 We don't need to hurt any judges feelings. 153 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:04,920 That's not going to benefit anybody. 154 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,720 Yeah. No. 155 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,200 And and I actually want to talk about Judge Cooper today. 156 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,160 All right. Well, we're going to do that 157 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,000 too. So let's start. 158 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,440 I think, like I said, let's start at the beginning. 159 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,040 And I think and I'm glad you got coffee there. 160 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,600 We're going to, we're going to hydrate as needed. 161 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Let's begin with who you are as a person and we will work up to 162 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,800 the fact that you were an unaffiliated, independent, self 163 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,640 funded journalist on January 6th. 164 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,120 So let's talk about the person. And here's why I think this. 165 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,160 I have been considering a lot because I get a lot of input 166 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,000 from my father now. And I know that your father was 167 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,640 instrumental in some of the ways that you think. 168 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,040 And that's something you've shared with me. 169 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,160 And I I get input from my father now because I'm kind of in the 170 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,800 business similar at least related business to what my 171 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,600 father used to do. And who knew that you would be 172 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,480 doing something similar as well. And maybe we have that parallel 173 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,480 track. So let's let's go back to where 174 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,040 you grew up. Just a full recap, maybe 5-6 175 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,240 minutes of of who you are as a human being, where you came from 176 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,400 and how you grew up and what you saw growing up around your 177 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,600 family. Yeah, let's just, yeah, we'll do 178 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,240 the, the, the quick elevator pitch here on that. 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,520 But my, my story started in Louisiana. 180 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 I was born into a very religious, Southern 181 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,000 fundamentalist Pentecostal family. 182 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,680 My dad was actually a dual career guy. 183 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,480 He was a preacher and he was a private investigator and he had, 184 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,080 you know, some success at both. He had had quite a bit of 185 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,320 notoriety as a private investigator, even covered by 186 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,200 national news organizations, because some of the stories that 187 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:38,679 he worked on and then as a result of the my life's goal or 188 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,360 the career path, which was as a musician cuz all I ever wanted 189 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,240 to do was play trumpet. I was I I became fascinated with 190 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,560 music at a very young age. I was actually more fascinated 191 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:53,440 with trombone. But I was about 11 years old and 192 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,120 we were moving and my the last load of gear that we had was in 193 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,880 the garage at our old house and we're moving to the new house. 194 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,880 By the time we got back with the hall to pick up the last load, 195 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,280 somebody had come in and stolen all of the rest of our stuff, 196 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,800 and that included everything from my bedroom. 197 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,160 So my trombone, my GI Joe collection, my NFL trading 198 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:21,680 cards, and I had 8 by 10 signed glossies of all of the classic 199 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:26,640 six 1960s Green Bay Packers, the Lombardi era Packers. 200 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,040 I had them all. All of that got stolen. 201 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,040 That's hard and that's and year 11. 202 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:35,400 That's the one that hurts me the most is because I have no idea. 203 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,840 And not not that what they would be worth today. 204 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,680 But it was such a significant part of my life as a young child 205 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,960 because everything in that era was about Lombardi to me and all 206 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,680 of his players. And so I got AI, got a $1.00 a 207 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,240 week allowance, Kyle, $1.00 a week. 208 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:54,440 This is back in, you know, 6667 back in that era. 209 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,120 And I used my $1.00 per week allowance. 210 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,720 I'd put it in an envelope. I would address it to the Green 211 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,120 Bay Packers. I would send it up to them and 212 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,200 they would send me whichever of the Green Bay Packers wanted in 213 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,640 a black and white 8 by 10 signed of them and of that particular 214 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,200 player. And every week I would get, I I 215 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,320 would get, you know, with this large Manila envelope with the 216 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,720 Green Bay Packers sticker on it, you know, with their logo from 217 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,680 them. And it's like, you know, just my 218 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:27,440 heart would just beat out of my chest and I'd rip that thing out 219 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,040 open. It would be Bart Starr. 220 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,840 It would be Paul Hornug, It would be, you know, Jerry 221 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,120 Kramer, whoever it was, all the greats from that era. 222 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,280 And so I. I what a great program by the 223 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,480 way, that they came up with in the front office there to do 224 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,800 that. Yeah, back then, yeah, because 225 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,840 there there wasn't no Internet. We couldn't just, you know sign 226 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,520 on and Google up, you know our our Ray Nitschke and and you 227 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,520 know print out a picture of him or save it to our files. 228 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,400 You had to actually buy it. But for one dollar $1.00 I could 229 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,080 get that and that's how I spent my allowance. 230 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:04,400 And so I I hated, I hated losing that but I lost my trombone And 231 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,000 then my dad was a wannabe trumpet player and he played and 232 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,880 he played in church and he he was self-taught. 233 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,920 He didn't even start teaching himself to until he was about 234 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,840 probably 2122 years old, maybe even 23. 235 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,440 And he. And at the time, we had a 236 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,840 cemetery down the street from us where we lived. 237 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,760 And my dad used to go down and practice in the middle of the 238 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,920 night in the cemetery. And he he, he used to joke that 239 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,520 he was never good enough, that they would mistake him for 240 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,200 Gabriel and come rising out of the graves. 241 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,560 But the point being is, is that's how that's how he taught 242 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,520 himself. And then because that was the 243 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,080 only other instrument we had, we couldn't afford to replace the 244 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,920 trombone. I ended up becoming a trumpet 245 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,720 player and then that's all I ever wanted to do. 246 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,120 That's all I ever wanted to be. And so I started on that, on 247 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,480 that path. And then I started getting the 248 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,840 scholarship offers in college. I became, I finally picked my my 249 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,240 school of choice and became a trumpet performance major. 250 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,680 A year and a half later I got a call from a band that needed a, 251 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 you know, hot young kid that could play to come on the road 252 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,040 with them. And I did and I joined this band 253 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,600 that changed my life. I was 19 years old and I 254 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,360 parachuted into this operation that I had no idea what they did 255 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,880 or or I just knew that they traveled internationally. 256 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,480 I remember that on it was the early January of 1980I flew to 257 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,800 San Diego from Shreveport, LA, and they picked me up in a tour 258 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,480 bus. And I I mean I started my 259 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,200 musical career on an actual tour bus, you know, it was only it 260 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,720 was all all downhill from there. But I got the start right and 261 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,920 then there's a. There's a thing on on Amazon 262 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,160 Prime right now that's about the the folks that like the A 263 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,720 listers, like the the what do they call them? 264 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,800 They call them hired guns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 265 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,400 Did you watch that? Oh yeah, I've seen. 266 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,400 I've seen the hired guns, right? It looked like it was going to 267 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,080 be really good. But yeah, the this idea that 268 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,880 you're going to, you know, just getting on the tour bus is is 269 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,400 kind of like making it to the minor leagues. 270 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,880 You're still in this tiny little fraction of people that can 271 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,360 actually make a living doing the thing you love. 272 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:05,320 Which is That's right. Really, really rare. 273 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,880 And believe me, we weren't making much of A living back 274 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:08,560 then. That's fair. 275 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,760 We did. But I but I found myself 2 weeks 276 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,680 later actually in a recording studio in San Francisco, 277 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,000 recording what would be ultimately that we were 278 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,640 recording a demo to what would ultimately be the theme song to 279 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,200 the 1980 Summer Moscow Olympics. An American band doing that? 280 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Worse. Or, you know, not worse, but 281 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,440 more interestingly, an American Christian pop band. 282 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,840 How about that, You know? What I didn't ask you before and 283 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,080 I'm curious about why did they choose your band? 284 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,800 How do they, how do they land on your group to do that that that 285 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,360 team? Yeah, just two. 286 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Two months before I joined the band, they were actually touring 287 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,120 in the Soviet Union. It was in subversive illegal 288 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,160 tour. They were working with 289 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,280 underground dissidents who were setting up concerts for them, 290 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,800 literally illegal concerts. And then one of the things that 291 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,760 ended up happening by, you know, we call it a miracle. 292 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,120 You can call it whatever you want to call it. 293 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,240 But the the bottom line is, is they were invited to a jam 294 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,760 session in Moscow, a midnight jam session with two of their 295 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,320 more famous Soviet era Russian bands out of Moscow. 296 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:27,280 And one of the attendees of that illegal jam session was a woman 297 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,640 by the name of Alexandra Pokhmatsuvu. 298 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,480 And she happened to not only be a member of the Supreme Soviet, 299 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,720 she was also at the time acknowledged by Chairman of the 300 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Communist Party Leonid Brezhnev as being his favorite composer. 301 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,400 And she wrote not only classical songs, she even wrote a trumpet 302 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,760 concerto back in the 50s. And so she not only wrote 303 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,480 classical music, but she wrote pop music. 304 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,160 A couple of her songs had been huge hits and you know, behind 305 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,080 the Iron Curtain. And then she was at that event 306 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,280 and she liked the band so much, the band that I would be joining 307 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,080 two months later that she actually handed them some sheet 308 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,040 music and said I am. I've been contractor hired as 309 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,960 the producer for all the music for the 1980 Summer Games and I 310 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,000 would like to hear you guys do an arrangement of this song and 311 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,720 hear your version. So that began that, that began 312 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,600 that happenstance. Now, I'm not going to say that 313 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,600 she was herself a subversive or a dissident or whatever, but she 314 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,200 certainly was instrumental in a lot of things. 315 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,120 And with regards to our activities and our future 316 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,760 activities, which ultimately led to me a year and a half later 317 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,080 actually playing on Soviet Central Television, sponsored by 318 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,840 Komsomuskaya Pravda, which is the youth edition of Pravda, the 319 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,720 Soviet newspaper. The actual editor put us on 320 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,320 stage knowing full well that we were a a Christian pop band and 321 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,160 that was, you know, that was kind of the beginning of that. 322 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,760 And then from there I did some other things in the Soviet Union 323 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,600 that we've talked about before. And then my life continued 324 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,640 largely and primarily in music and all manner, you know, either 325 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,920 either church related or not, concert promotions, artist 326 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,600 management bookings, my own bands. 327 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,880 I finished my music career. I say I finished it. 328 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,240 I hope it's not completely over, but I did retire my bands just 329 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,400 back in December of last year so that I could focus on what I'm 330 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,240 doing more without that that that interference. 331 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,480 But the the bottom line is, the last 22 years of my life I was 332 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,760 back into live performance again as my primary source of income, 333 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,120 which led us to COVID in the lockdowns, which then took my 334 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,040 job away from me. I had three bands at the time. 335 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,880 The three bands were doing very, very well and then suddenly we 336 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,320 weren't allowed to work for a year and a half. 337 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,160 North Carolina, where I live now, was one of the probably 338 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,520 the, I think I I'd read somewhere it was the 4th most 339 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,720 locked down state because of the type of governor we had. 340 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,680 And of course our, you know, our state health director is now the 341 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,400 head of the CDC. No big deal there. 342 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,359 No, no corruption scene and it and it interesting that the 343 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,800 entire Eastern seaboard which I got to see the COVID roll out 344 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,200 across the country. They were there were some places 345 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,200 that really lost their minds and and places that shouldn't have 346 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,079 that you would have thought were more conservative than not. 347 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,240 Now Florida had, you know for all of the talk about Florida, 348 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,000 Florida had, did you guys go down there at all? 349 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:28,840 Oh yeah, yeah, Do you? Remember seeing the the the the 350 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,240 waiting lines at the state line that they were blocking people 351 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,400 from certain states from coming in. 352 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,480 They sent them into secondary while they were driving on an 353 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,040 Interstate. I never had that experience. 354 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,440 I had that twice. I you did. 355 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,200 Wow. Now my my first escape was the 356 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,040 lockdowns of course began mid March and then in May Tennessee 357 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,720 lifted their lockdowns on restaurants. 358 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,440 So actually both of my my kids or they were adults at the time. 359 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,280 We got together and we drove over to Gatlinburg and spent you 360 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,000 know a a long four or five day weekend in Gatlinburg just so we 361 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,480 could go to a restaurant and that, you know, it was it was a 362 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,920 getaway. And then my next escape was just 363 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,280 a few weeks later. I went down for a riding 364 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,160 excursion down in South Carolina. 365 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,840 They had opened up. North Carolina was still firmly 366 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,640 locked down. And then I began my what I 367 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,000 called my TPC Rd. trips and I started doing traveling during 368 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,280 those lockdowns and going and and actually doing meet ups with 369 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,120 my blog followers, podcast followers. 370 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,000 And that was, I went to 28 states during the lockdowns just 371 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,720 to get out of North Carolina. And so I could be with people 372 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,640 and do that. And so that was that was really 373 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,800 during during that time is when I changed my focus. 374 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,880 And and as I've explained to you in other interviews before I 375 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,080 moved what had been the the music side of my life, which had 376 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,640 been the captain, you know, had had basically occupied the 377 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,720 captain's seat of my life for 40 years. 378 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,680 And then I had been, you know, writing politically, especially 379 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,600 as my hobby. And then some other things I've 380 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,960 I've, I've had things published in music magazines and I've I, 381 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,760 I'm, I'm a bit of a sci-fi nerd and then primarily political 382 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,880 analysis and commentary, that sort of thing. 383 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:19,280 And so I've been, that was my, you know, basically a side 384 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,840 hustle for over 20 years. And then I just switched seats. 385 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,880 I moved my music career to the copilot seat. 386 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,520 I moved the writing gig and investigative journal journalism 387 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,400 gig to the captain's chair and and that happened early or mid 388 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,720 2000 and that was the reinvention of my life at 60 389 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,480 years old. In music, there's. 390 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,600 And I'm not a student of music theory, although I have at least 391 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,800 two brothers that get it way better than I do. 392 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,880 One of the things and tell me if this resonates with you, because 393 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,080 I always found this to be one of those things. 394 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,040 I was like, Oh my God, what kind of, what kind of people are 395 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,680 coming out of my house? My, my younger brother, my 396 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,800 middle brother, is capable of being a professional musician. 397 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,560 He's incredibly talented. He always has been. 398 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,400 He, you know, was playing songs at five years old. 399 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,760 He just would pick up the piano and go. 400 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,560 And he did an interview with one of my brothers on, like a 401 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,760 YouTube channel years and years ago. 402 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,400 That's like no one's ever seen. And he said, I knew I might have 403 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,080 a little bit of a talent for music when I started 404 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,600 understanding the mathematical relationship for the next notes 405 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,760 that had to follow the ones that I had just played. 406 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,440 And when he saw music as math and that they were, you know, 407 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,200 mathematical problems that needed resolution. 408 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,840 Do you see music in that way? I you know, I personally have 409 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,920 and of course I understand that concept because it is, it is, it 410 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,480 is a mathematical equation. I've looked at it more as a 411 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,360 language separate language than than a mathematical equation. 412 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,200 But there's also another perspective to it that I think 413 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,800 is very important to even what I'm doing now and to what my 414 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,280 father was doing back you know, when he was still alive and and 415 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,120 even 40 years ago when I would be, when I would come off the 416 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,560 road from traveling with bands and then I would work for him in 417 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:59,440 his investigative firm. And the the correlation there is 418 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:06,200 is being able to not only see multiple things at the same time 419 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,840 because when you're reading music, you're not just reading 420 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,280 one note a particular, you know, if you've ever seen organ music, 421 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,880 it's it's incredible, you know, church Organism, it blows my 422 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,160 mind because they're reading so many lines, they're they've got 423 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,040 things going on with their left hand, their right hand, their 424 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,440 feet and then they've got all of their buttons and stops and 425 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,240 pulls and all the things that they have to do. 426 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,320 And all of this is notated in the music. 427 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,360 And they had they learn to see it. 428 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,360 Not only do they record what they're seeing, but they have to 429 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,920 read ahead that you. You can't just read the note. 430 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,480 If you just play the note when you see it, you're going to be 431 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,360 behind all the other musicians. You will not be in time. 432 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,480 So you have to learn to read ahead of a measure 2 measures or 433 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,240 whatever tempo you're playing. Read ahead, save that. 434 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,520 Lock it in into your, you know your hard drive. 435 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,640 And and you're scrolling it at the same time, so you're 436 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,160 building essentially like a forward buffer of what's coming 437 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,200 up next. Yeah, you can. 438 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,080 You can make that analogous to you know, how the remember when 439 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,360 CD players used to skip in a car and that. 440 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,120 And then they came. Then they came up with the 441 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,920 technology where it would read ahead and it would log in, you 442 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,040 know a second 25 whatever it was doing. 443 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,480 And it would, it would, it would basically create that buffer so 444 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,200 it had already read the notes or the, you know the music on your 445 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,440 CD, your car CD player before you hit the bump And that way it 446 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,280 it stops skipping and that's the way you have to read it. 447 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,000 And so consequently I think sometimes that has benefited me 448 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,920 in a in a way that I see ahead while I'm doing what I'm doing 449 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:49,320 and and I I can see in multi more layers than than the 450 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,520 average person speaking the average language because that's 451 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,600 what it is. It's a it's a musical language. 452 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,520 It's very interesting to me that it's about predicting what's 453 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,800 coming your way, which we have both done accurately. 454 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,040 I think you and I have both done that. 455 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,800 I talked to guys like Mike Benz. He was a he was a chess player 456 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,960 at a very high level and and chess players must see multiple 457 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,520 moves. So it doesn't matter what the 458 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,080 the way that you learn how to predict potential you know 459 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,720 future runs you have to be able to see that coming and and you 460 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,000 and I in our first conversation adequately diagnosed that the 461 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,600 only safe route is loud and public and that our safety like 462 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,600 is is essentially we're we're dancing in the light and and and 463 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,120 avoiding the shadow knowing the shadow was moving at us at all 464 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:35,240 times and and you have that same experience you've you're even 465 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,200 when they are going to grab you which they did right they got a 466 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,880 hold of you but even as the shadow grabs you you still know 467 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,160 what the play is to find yourself coming back into that 468 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,200 light where it Jags back away and and that's the only way that 469 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,280 you're that's that's the the that's the play that's the 470 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,640 margin of safety that buffer. Zone Well that that and that's a 471 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,000 that's a great point because as you know it's been well 472 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,480 publicized that in the days leading up to me having to self 473 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,360 present or self surrender as they described it they the the 474 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:11,280 Department of Justice sent an e-mail to my attorney and said 475 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,360 they wanted me to arrive at the FBI field office in Dallas 476 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:23,120 wearing and I quote shorts AT shirt and flip flops and hell no 477 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,280 that was not going to happen. No. 478 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,960 And I and I love that you were able to consult. 479 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,000 The other thing is, is that this is how you play. 480 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,280 Well, you don't just play by yourself. 481 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,120 Most people don't play as a complete soloist. 482 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,160 They're either doing a solo in the midst of a orchestral piece, 483 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,200 right? And so we're doing this as a as 484 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,960 a team. It's very hard to get up and 485 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,360 just sit down as a virtuoso and and send it something and it's 486 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,600 also maybe less full than bringing in other members of a 487 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,000 band or an orchestra and and we're assembling that that's 488 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,680 that is what the the suspendables are if we're going 489 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,360 to play that metaphor out so we have brain trust. 490 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,560 I I ping my thoughts against you hey what do you think about this 491 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,240 move And you do the same. And so this is the one thing 492 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,920 that I don't think the evil and I and there's no I'm not mincing 493 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,000 words with this. This is evil that our 494 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,520 government's engaged in in the same way that you saw evil in 495 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,880 the Soviet Union. Real evil. 496 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Yeah. Banal though it may be. 497 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,240 It's the banality of evil in so much as these are people just 498 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,560 doing their job, just trying to get along. 499 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,080 I'm sure those agents who met you in Dallas, which we'll get 500 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800 to in just a second, they don't have any personal animosity 501 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,280 towards you. No, they didn't. 502 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,600 They didn't know you. They're you're just a guy. 503 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,080 You're just the guy that they're arresting today. 504 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,960 They're checking off that box. It's the stat. 505 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,920 You're just they're just transporting. 506 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,360 They're just the transport agents, right? 507 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,160 That was it. That's all they were. 508 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,120 No personal, no personal grievance towards you. 509 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,520 And yet, they're all part of this larger tapestry of doing 510 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,600 really evil, evil work. I'm going to just remind people 511 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,240 we're talking to Steve Baker right now. 512 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,320 If you guys are just joining us and you had audio issues in the 513 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,760 beginning, go ahead and move through that. 514 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,680 I'm glad you're here. Make sure you hit the like 515 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,680 button. Make sure you subscribe to the 516 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240 channel and you're following it. We will continue to stick with 517 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,840 Steve's story because Steve's story is all of our story. 518 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,040 It's the story of the Free Press, which is the story of the 519 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,280 1st Amendment. And it's a story that if we do 520 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,920 not defend our constitutional rights, then we have no rights. 521 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,680 If we can't speak, the only other thing is action. 522 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,920 I would far prefer the the speaking version. 523 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,600 Can we can we tilt towards your handle which I'll I'll throw on 524 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,280 the screen again. Will you tell people where that 525 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,000 came from and and what it meant to you? 526 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,880 I know it morphed over the years and maybe kind of your maybe the 527 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,800 evolution of your political thoughts as you've gone through 528 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,240 this sort of experience too and and sort of slowly come into the 529 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,920 investigative space. Yeah, I I grew up in what would 530 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,240 be described as a, you know, conservative Republican voting 531 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:44,120 family experience. All of my relationships, be they 532 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,600 through church or otherwise, were largely conservative 533 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,480 leaning, right leaning in their political viewpoint. 534 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,840 But of course back in Louisiana, back in the days that I was 535 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,720 born, we all had to register. Even if you were conservative, 536 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,440 you had to register as a Democrat because there was, it 537 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,520 was, you know, the the solid South as they used to call it. 538 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,440 The only people that won anything were Democrats in the 539 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,120 the general elections. So you had to register to vote 540 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,680 in the primary to try and get the most conservative of the 541 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,400 Democrats that were what, you know, the Dixiecrats at the 542 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,840 time, you could find them. They were there and that that 543 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,880 doesn't exist anymore. That all changed with Reagan. 544 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,520 But the the bottom line is is so I was first registered as a 545 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,560 Democrat and then after Reagan changed things and there was 546 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,160 this massive departure of the Dixiecrats to the Republican 547 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Party by the thousands, by the way nationally, state, local and 548 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,280 and federal level. And then there were, I guess so 549 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,080 I I registered as a Republican. I always knew that I was 550 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,600 uncomfortable there as well, but it seemed like the safe haven 551 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,400 until I got to the 90s. And it was, I think it was 90. 552 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,760 It was 1998. I was at a financial conference 553 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,480 in Aruba and the keynote speaker was a guy by the name of Ron 554 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,760 Paul. And then I had my Eureka moment 555 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,120 'cause here was a guy with an R after his name strategically, 556 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,000 but he certainly was not behaving as a Republican. 557 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,560 He was known as doctor. No, he voted against everything 558 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:30,720 and he proudly told us that he couldn't get big money donors to 559 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,600 support him and that every single time he ever ran for re 560 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,440 election at for Congress, I think he served 11 terms I want 561 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,320 to say. But every single time he ran for 562 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,120 re election, the GOP ran a primary against him, another 563 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,880 candidate against him and and he won every single time. 564 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,840 And he said and that's without the support of my own party and 565 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,200 without the big donors, he said. Because I tell my constituents, 566 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,120 if you send me to Washington, I'm not going to be bringing 567 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,720 home the bacon. I'm not going to be diverting 568 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,560 other people's resources to my district. 569 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,360 That's what I'm against and it's either constitutional or it's 570 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,120 not And one of the most, one of the most significant things that 571 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,600 he said. And it really impacted me and I 572 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880 and I apologize. I don't remember the the 573 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400 cardinal's name but he was the the cardinal in New York. 574 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,760 He was dying of cancer and he was a revered figure. 575 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,240 He, you know he had had a long career kept his nose clean and 576 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Congress struck a medal in his honor and and they voted. 577 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,800 You know, it was, it was, it was the House and they voted 434 to 578 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,640 1. Give him this Congressional 579 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,680 medal. The Cardinal New York, the one 580 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,720 vote was Ron Paul that voted against it. 581 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,720 So Ron Paul sent the cardinal a personal letter and he said I 582 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,040 did not vote against this medal because I don't have the same 583 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,560 feelings of reverence towards and, you know, honor, extending 584 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,440 the honor for your career and what you've done. 585 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,600 He says I do, and I would like to say it even more loudly than 586 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200 everyone else. He said it's just the act of 587 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,360 doing what we did there is not constitutional, That's not our 588 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,000 job to honor and strike and honor people with medals. 589 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,840 So he's sending the personal letter of honor, to which then 590 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,120 the cardinal responded before he died and told Representative 591 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,320 Paul that his letter meant more to him than the medal itself, as 592 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640 it should be. Yeah and and that's the hardest 593 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,680 thing I think for most people which is why I think your handle 594 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,840 TPC for USA folks will see it on the screen when when you're back 595 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,680 on solo again TPC for USA the pragmatic constitutionalist we 596 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,800 can have all kinds of great ideas but it if it's not the 597 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,000 boundary, if it's not within the purview of government it it 598 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480 can't happen. We've gotten really soft on that 599 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200 it's not we're not playing the game of is this within the 600 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,600 acceptable confines of government's authority. 601 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,600 What we play is is the government doing the thing that 602 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760 I want right. And since the other side is 603 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,720 going to play that game we might as well play it too. 604 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,680 If they're going to take for themselves we must take for 605 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,640 ourselves. We've turned into a 0 sum game 606 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,880 and unfortunately I think if you don't play that way right now 607 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,040 too the. The consequences are also dire. 608 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,600 So what's a man to do? I have. 609 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,120 I have to take. Positions all the time 610 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,360 politically, which piss off people on both sides of the 611 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,760 political aisle. And that's because I feel like 612 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,360 that if we don't have, if look, if we're not a nation that is 613 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,680 governed by, you know, the rule of law, the printed, written, 614 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,680 it's very clear rule of law, then we are a nation of chaos. 615 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,920 And that's where we are right now, and that's why we're so 616 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320 polarized right now. That's why this nation is more 617 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,560 divided than it's ever been in its history right now, right 618 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:04,240 here, because neither side gives absolute adherence, loyalty and 619 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:11,600 and conviction of their every single vote to the Constitution. 620 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:19,720 And because of that, they treat it as a a flexible, malleable, 621 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000 you know, document. And it's not. 622 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,320 It never has been, wasn't intended to be. 623 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,440 But because of that, we have chaos. 624 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,440 Because, look, the court should know what this Bill of Rights 625 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160 says or this particular amendment says and what it was 626 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,840 meant that we have. We have all that we need 627 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,560 historically to understand why this was written. 628 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,840 This is what this particular, even if it's even if the 629 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,360 language is somewhat arcane, this is what this language 630 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,200 meant. This is what the founders meant. 631 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,600 If we're going to change it and interpret it differently than 632 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,240 what they meant and as it was originally intended, then 633 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800 there's the Article Five amendment process. 634 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,440 All right, So we have to go through that. 635 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,080 But instead, we have all manner of law, all manner of 636 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,400 convictions, all manner of rulings taking place at the 637 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,400 local level, the state level, the District Court level, and 638 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640 then it's then it at the appellate level. 639 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,600 And they they, they rule differently. 640 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,120 Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. 641 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440 Until it finally gets to the Supreme Court and you don't 642 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,080 know, you have no idea what they're going to do with it. 643 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,920 When it gets there, it's because there's not a nation. 644 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Yeah, we're not a nation. We are a nation of of the of the 645 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880 the whims of man right now. I did a podcast. 646 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,240 For a Catholic vote, and one of the things we just talked about 647 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640 was balance. And balance means that you know 648 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,960 where the center point is, and we're not, we don't know where 649 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,040 the center point is because the center point could be anywhere 650 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,280 along a string. That has a lot of play in it, 651 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,880 just not how it was written. Those words are finite, 652 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,480 specific, and as you said, they were captured at a moment in 653 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,120 time, they were written down. And if you want to change them, 654 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,560 we can do that. We all have to agree. 655 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,600 It turns out that we're going to do that. 656 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,760 And what a weird time to see that the so-called liberals that 657 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,600 we grew up around seeing that that called themselves liberals, 658 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,080 which comes from the base of freedom is the idea and they 659 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,920 wanted the freedom of the of the individual. 660 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,480 These people are attempting to vote away not just our rights 661 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,440 but their own rights, their own civil liberties in favor of 662 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,040 government tyranny. Because the government's playing 663 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,880 the game that they like, it's playing the tune that they like, 664 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,320 but they can't see 5 sheets ahead in this in in the next 665 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120 movement. The next movement is they come 666 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360 for you too, which they actually do in real time. 667 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,679 They're they're actually still going after people that the left 668 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,360 would lionize, which is pretty, pretty incredible. 669 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,560 I think all of us have common cause looking at the, you know, 670 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,880 whether you call it the Uniparty or the BLOB or anything else, 671 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,239 it's really easy for us to look ahead and go that's. 672 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,960 The bad guys. OK, the bad guys is the Empire. 673 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,719 The rebels are the good guys. Now, as, as is always the case, 674 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,239 the people who are resisting the sort of temporary movement of 675 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,840 government to sort of overreach that blossoms into all of our 676 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,760 space. And you've known that for a long 677 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,239 time. I've had that sense for quite a 678 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,560 while, but I wasn't really a political guy. 679 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040 We're now stuck in this fight. Let's talk about the moment of 680 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,960 January 6th, which I think was like a an emotional climax, even 681 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,960 though it's continued to build it. 682 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,240 It was a false climax because we dropped off a little bit and 683 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,400 then we were still building again. 684 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Let's talk about what you were doing on that day specifically. 685 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,440 Let people have no misconceptions about your take 686 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,280 on what you saw. We'll kind of keep it tight so 687 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,400 we can get into the new developments. 688 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,800 But I want people to understand where you were doing, what you 689 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520 were standing, the actions you undertook on that day, what you, 690 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,360 what you perceived to be the case then and then since maybe 691 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,240 we'll go there. Yeah, let's. 692 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,800 Just start with the hardcore. Piss off both sides. 693 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640 Truth and reality of the fact is I went to January 6th not as a 694 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560 Trump supporter. I went there as a Trump skeptic 695 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,280 at the best. I had become a skeptic over the 696 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,520 course of his actual presidency, which was a far better position 697 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,560 for those who love Trump and like Trump and stand behind him 698 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,760 and call yourself MAGA than I had in 2016. 699 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,640 Because in 2016, I was hashtag Never Trump, and I was also 700 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,880 hashtag, never Hillary. I voted for the Libertarian 701 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,800 Party candidate, Gary Johnson at that time. 702 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,000 And the reason why I didn't vote for the reason why I didn't vote 703 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,880 for Trump was simply this. He had been on all sides of 704 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,080 every issue over the course of his career. 705 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,920 Now, he had never held a political office, but he had 706 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,600 never voted for anything. He had never been in a 707 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:26,880 legislative job or capacity in civil service, and he had also 708 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,760 never been in an executive. He'd never been a governor or 709 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,440 mayor. So we had no idea how he would 710 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,840 govern. But what we had is a guy that 711 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,360 loves talking about political things and had for decades. 712 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,640 So we had him over the course of his career, not only being a 713 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,240 Democrat for most of that of his lifetime, but then in the latter 714 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,480 couple of years, switching to Republican. 715 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,720 OK, that's good. You know, that can happen. 716 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,680 It can also be a cynical play. But then again, because he had 717 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,200 been on and it didn't matter, pick your issue, we could Google 718 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,800 up. Or he had been on the other side 719 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,320 of that issue at some point in his rhetoric and said it loudly. 720 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,640 Yeah, yeah. And and that's. 721 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,560 That's just the reality of who he was. 722 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,960 I I just couldn't vote for him. So I had him. 723 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,960 I I had my own scorecard that I developed and and so I had him 724 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,400 scored it as zero because I didn't know. 725 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,120 I just didn't know after four years of governance and coming 726 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,920 out of the because like he particularly handled or should I 727 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,680 say he handled the COVID crisis particularly poorly. 728 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,080 But coming out of that I had him at about 5050 this. 729 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,920 So I mean that was acceptable considering that the alternative 730 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,560 was Biden, who I had about a -15, right, my scorecard. 731 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,840 So I I felt like at this, this time, I had no choice but to 732 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,400 vote for for Trump in 2020, which I did. 733 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,400 And so moving into January 6th, there was the controversy about 734 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,160 the the election and had it been stolen and and I was following 735 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600 and tracking all of that. I had not taken a position on it 736 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,680 in any of my writings, articles, columns or or you know, social 737 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,280 media post at all. But I was watching it and I was 738 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,640 asking questions about it. I was seeing things with my own 739 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080 eyes that other people were seeing and I had questions and I 740 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,600 can see the math and I'm pretty good at math and I knew that 741 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040 there were some serious anomalies taking place. 742 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,920 And so when he announced that there was going to be a rally in 743 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,240 DC on, he announced that on December 19th and he said it was 744 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,760 going to be wild. And I just, I put it on my 745 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,920 calendar. I was actually out doing my TPC 746 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,960 road trip at the time. I was traveling around the 747 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,720 country, and so I actually made it home by a New Year's Eve, 748 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,600 actually arrived home from AI think I've been out on the road 749 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,040 for about two months at that point. 750 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,040 Got home on New Year's Eve time to wash clothes and recharge my 751 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560 batteries. And then I joined a colleague, A 752 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,440 fellow writer, a political writer who has been very 753 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,680 successful. He's he's written political 754 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,600 books, he's written for columns for some of the major online 755 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,840 publications as well as he was a ghost writer for Rush Limbaugh 756 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,320 for 2 1/2 years. And so he and I decided to ride 757 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,000 together up from Raleigh, NC, where we both live. 758 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,640 And so we got up there the night before, we met a couple of other 759 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:23,360 colleagues and we had, you know, our nice evening in the hotel 760 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160 room on the evening of the 5th with some adult beverages. 761 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,200 And then he and I and split apart from our other two 762 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,800 colleagues and the next morning after breakfast went to we Uber 763 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,400 down to the Washington Monument lawn. 764 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,320 I had my backpack with a tripod and my man on the street 765 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,440 microphone and the extra batteries and all that that I 766 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,880 needed. I fully intended on setting up 767 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,840 on the street corner after the speeches. 768 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,040 This was my goal in finding out what the people thought about 769 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,160 the speeches, especially if somebody on the stage that day, 770 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,160 Trump or one of his opening acts unleashed the Kraken that day, 771 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,480 which that never happened, right? 772 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,160 Which was constantly being. Threatened. 773 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,640 Right, Right. So there. 774 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,360 Was nothing new learned? And as a cynic or a critic or a 775 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,240 skeptic about Trump, anyway, I was analyzing it through my I 776 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:22,120 think we're fair, you know, critical eyes willing to be as 777 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080 I, as I did over the four years of his presidency, I went from 778 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,520 hashtag never Trump to hashtag good trump, hashtag bad Trump on 779 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,600 an issue by issue, statement by statement, you know, action by 780 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,560 action basis. It was, it was just that and and 781 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,400 again through that constitutional lens. 782 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,360 And so by the time we were halfway through this, through 783 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360 his speech, and he was an hour late taking the stage and we had 784 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,360 already heard the the, the prior speeches that I and my colleague 785 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,200 decided that there was nothing coming. 786 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,160 The Kraken was not going to be unleashed. 787 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,480 And we knew that there were other events scheduled at the 788 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,960 Capitol that day, by the way, legally permitted events signed 789 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,880 by the Capitol Police on the Capitol property that day, which 790 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,520 is to say. That there was a predictable, it 791 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880 was a predictable algorithm to say that they were going to be a 792 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,800 certain number of people outside to the US Capitol. 793 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,440 And when you have predictable numbers of people, then you 794 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,160 usually take predictable steps to enforce law and order and 795 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,640 protect. And this is the real key, 796 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,760 because I was part of this and I know what it looks like. 797 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,000 You're supposed to protect the civil liberties of everyone by 798 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,520 making sure things don't get out of hand. 799 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,800 And that means having people in the crowd, which I have been one 800 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,640 of those people in the crowd. I was on that crowd on January 801 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,120 20th of 2017. You try to make sure the people 802 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,080 that want to throw fire bombs and burn the Secret Service 803 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,480 director's car are moved from the equation so the rest of the 804 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,720 people can have whatever it is they want to do, scream about 805 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,160 Trump, celebrate Trump, all this kind of moment, these are all 806 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,880 supposed to happen. So it's worth noting that these 807 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160 were permitted and there's no negotiation on whether that 808 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,760 happened or not because it did. Yeah, and and. 809 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,160 In the larger picture, this is amazing. 810 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,200 Nobody knows this unless you're you know January 6th geek like 811 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,200 myself and as I've been forced into becoming is there were 812 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,680 actually 82 permits for what they call First Amendment 813 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,520 permits that day from all the various agencies and departments 814 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,520 and policing agency 82. That's a lot permits that day. 815 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,480 And the other thing and let I get unless you are tracking 816 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,800 these things very close, is that the Department of Defense both 817 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:42,280 then SEC def acting SEC def Miller, as well as the Chairman 818 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,200 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Millie at the time they both 819 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,080 wanted to cancel all they had their Intel told. 820 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840 Them. They needed to cancel all First 821 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,960 Amendment protest applications, permits and events that day and 822 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560 close the city down. They knew what was coming. 823 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,240 And of course that. Information had been passed 824 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,160 along and weirdly enough, and as I've shared with. 825 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,280 Trump's investigators, it was not declared an NSSE, which is a 826 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,480 standard thing that happens when you're going to have a big 827 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,600 event. And NSSE is a national special 828 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,120 security event, which DC has many, you know, they have 829 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,200 multiple times of this being declared per per year on a 830 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,640 regular basis, including state of the Union and you know, big 831 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,160 parades and stuff. And they didn't do that. 832 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,720 So we know that all this information was percolating in 833 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,880 the background, that there are steps that could have been taken 834 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,160 in order to go after the the people that wanted to cause 835 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680 problems. There are normal steps that 836 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,760 mitigate this. And that's how you get everybody 837 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,000 involved from the Department of Energy to the FBI, all the DOJ 838 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,400 assets, the Capitol Police who are not very great. 839 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600 And then you've got DC Metro, which actually has a pretty good 840 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,000 riot squad because they deal with it all the time. 841 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,200 All these things could have been done and then we know they 842 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,400 weren't. Let's Fast forward right up to 843 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,920 the thing Who drew first blood on that day? 844 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,880 First blood was. Definitely drawn by the 845 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,720 nefarious actors in the crowd. Now, whether you want to call 846 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,440 them MAGA or you want to call them agents provocateur, Whether 847 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,400 you want to call them Antifa, whether you want to call them 848 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,040 the feds, and as they say, the Fed surrection. 849 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,080 We know who drew first blood. It was not the Capitol Police. 850 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,600 First blood was by the people on the other side of the of the 851 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,520 bike rack barricades staring at every one of them which said and 852 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,960 had signs on them that said closed area. 853 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,760 And I mean it was very specifically spelled out. 854 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520 Bike racks were up. Every single piece of bike rack 855 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:39,960 had closed area sign on it and when they decided that it was 856 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,720 time to push over, they did and they launched themselves into 857 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,920 the undermanned police line. There was only half a dozen cops 858 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,840 there at that first breach point and they worked their way, ran 859 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,840 up to the second bike rack barricade they breached. 860 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,320 That actually was a a black fence. 861 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,080 It was a kind of a semi permanent fence that in a black 862 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,440 like aluminum fencing that had been put up for the inaugural 863 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,400 event that was coming a couple of weeks later and they breached 864 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640 that and they came up to the the lower W Terrace. 865 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,400 There the Capitol Police formed yet a third line without the 866 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,200 bike racks and then suddenly they were bringing bike racks 867 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,720 over and more of the cops were at this time. 868 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,880 Now Metro is beginning to arrive, and they're starting to 869 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,080 arrive and and provide reinforcements to Capitol 870 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,120 Police, which had been already thinned out by a couple of pipe 871 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,200 bomb warnings. So that's another story, as we 872 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,680 know all unto itself. And and so at some point just 873 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,600 before my arrival to the Capitol, because I turned on my 874 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,840 camera by the metadata at exactly 1:19 PM, Trump had just 875 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,000 left the stage 3 minutes earlier. 876 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,880 He left the stage at 1:16 PM because we, my, my colleague and 877 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,920 I, we we left about halfway through Trump's speech and 878 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,080 started working our way over to the Capitol and again. 879 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,080 And the purpose was to get ahead of the crowd so that, you know, 880 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,720 we could there's already 10s of thousands of people were peeling 881 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:12,840 off. It was cold. 882 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,120 It was windy. People wanted to move. 883 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,040 And there was no, there was no meat coming from the staging 884 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,760 there at the Ellipse. So it was, it was let's go on to 885 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,440 the Capitol and see what's going on over there. 886 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:32,160 And and we saw from the West side of the reflection pool 887 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,840 there on the West side of the Capitol, something was 888 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,960 happening. First of all, we could hear a 889 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,680 lot of sirens, I mean a lot of sirens working their way to the 890 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,360 Capitol building itself because that first breach was at about 891 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,880 12:52 PM, 12:53 somewhere in there. 892 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,440 And and then that went off on the radio, went off on the 893 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,640 United States Capitol Police radio comms, you know, which 894 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,320 you've had. Ears on, correct I've I've 895 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,880 heard. All nine hours? 896 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,880 A 9 1/2 hours of both com one and com two. 897 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,680 Was that my noise? Yeah, it was. 898 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,200 I liked it. Good punctuation. 899 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,840 There. Yeah. 900 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:11,760 You know what? I haven't. 901 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,840 I haven't heard you say. What's that? 902 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,960 I haven't. Heard you say. 903 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,360 That there were miles and miles of eight foot tall anti scale 904 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,760 fencing which is used to repel people in events and happened to 905 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,080 be available a few days later for Biden's inauguration. 906 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,840 When I was driving around in there, I actually have my badge 907 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,040 still hanging up on the wall, my access pass for the 908 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,760 inauguration. There were miles of fencing that 909 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,520 were set up and that's what they use for, yeah. 910 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640 Any. NSSE, all the state of the 911 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,680 unions have them. It's standard protocol. 912 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,880 Where was that instead of? Where was that in relation to 913 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960 the bike racks? Well, the. 914 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,280 The the unscalable fencing was actually discussed as an option 915 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,040 instead of the bike rack as well. 916 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,720 And then additionally there were another. 917 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,960 Oh God, I forget how many they said. 918 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:04,240 But there were there were another 4000 racks over in the 919 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,760 across the street from the building, exactly across the 920 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,160 street in the Fairchild building from the DNC. 921 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,680 And of course when the pipe bomb was discovered there, that 922 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,640 building was blocked off and they could not bring additional 923 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120 bike racking reinforcements over to the capitol. 924 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,840 And they were actually already had the trucks. 925 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,280 They're ready to start hauling them over. 926 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,120 Bike racks are not particularly. Effective for stopping people as 927 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,880 we saw in that day. But what's interesting, the anti 928 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,840 scale fencing, if anyone's ever seen it, it's 8 feet tall, it's 929 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,320 chain link, it's usually rubber coated chain link in black. 930 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,560 It it goes up, you know, 8 feet, but it has a pivot on it so that 931 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,880 as you pull it comes back towards you at about a 15 or 20° 932 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,040 angle. So you can lower it to about 7 933 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,000 feet. But now you're climbing up 934 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600 against yourself and most people basically don't have the the 935 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,480 forearm strength, the body strength to get themselves over 936 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,560 and then they'd have to do some kind of a weird pull up and it's 937 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,400 wobbly. So it's really, really unstable. 938 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,880 It's it's what keeps people from going over the top of it. 939 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,880 There are ways you can concentrate and do it, but it's 940 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,800 not easy. And they've got a ton of it. 941 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,560 In DC they, I don't know how many miles they have, but I saw 942 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,680 West Germany, West Germany, East Germany. 943 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,120 Between the two days, January 6th, you could go anywhere you 944 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,640 wanted. January 20th, you couldn't go 945 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,640 anywhere. You were absolutely locked down. 946 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,280 They were checkpoints, armed checkpoints with National 947 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,920 Guardsmen. So it's it's. 948 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:21,120 And we could revisit Kyle, you and I could revisit this and the 949 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,760 particulars of this all day long today. 950 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,360 I mean we could go all day talking about the background 951 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,600 information of what was happening just like this. 952 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,920 There were miles of this unscalable fencing we have. 953 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,200 We we know beyond any shadow of a doubt about what was discussed 954 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,680 with regards to the National Guard deployments that day. 955 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,320 We know everything and everybody that discussed it, we know. 956 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,120 Ultimately, the only thing we don't know is why were they not 957 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,680 deployed on Moss at the right time before things got out of 958 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,520 hand? And and and we. 959 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,000 We we know who. Denied it. 960 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,720 We know who why they said that they denied it. 961 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:10,120 We know that even after Chief's son start calling for it after 962 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,280 the attacks began, that even then he was being stonewalled. 963 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,400 He was being stonewalled by the Sergeant at ARM saying we're 964 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,040 going to have to run it up the chain. 965 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,880 And they didn't get approval until 70 minutes later after the 966 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,720 first breach. But even after the approval, 967 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,440 they didn't show up till 5:30. You know why? 968 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,080 I captured it on my camera when they arrived? 969 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,720 And also that's typical. Government, right. 970 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,720 It's like, yeah, it's not like the government is a nimble 971 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,480 organization and none of the, none of the government operators 972 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,200 are nimble in any way, shape or form. 973 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,920 So there's no expectation that that was going to happen 974 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,080 quickly. All right, first blood 975 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,080 protesters or provocateurs or, and that's not the subject of 976 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,440 today, let's. Let's sort of. 977 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,760 Push through the story if people want to hear this. 978 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,200 By the way, folks, you can hear hours and hours of Steve and I 979 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,320 talking on this channel and I highly encourage you to go back 980 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,440 and listen to the first three hours. 981 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,240 It was the first time that I really met Steve and we didn't 982 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:05,000 have the camaraderie or friendship that we have. 983 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,840 We didn't have the common cause at that moment. 984 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,200 And so we just were two guys talking about what he saw. 985 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,120 And I didn't know it. Now I I know I have a pretty 986 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080 good sense of what Steve has seen, at least in his sort of 987 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,160 boiled down version. You you went through the 988 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,720 Capitol. Blaze has put out video, right. 989 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,560 Exculpatory, I would say, of you walking around and you're just 990 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,560 standing there, the most boring man in the Capitol. 991 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,800 Is that what? Is that what the video is 992 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,840 entitled? Yeah. 993 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:28,840 That. That's exactly. 994 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,560 It. I mean, I I had several 995 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,560 different people who have interviewed me, either Blaze 996 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,440 host or or others who have said that it was the, you know, 37 997 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,080 minutes of the most boring video they've ever seen. 998 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,040 But they were utterly compelled to keep watching it. 999 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,360 It was one of the. I think because it was. 1000 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,480 So you know what? You remember what Tucker when he 1001 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,160 rolled out his first videos from the the 41,000 hours of Capitol 1002 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,760 Police. CCTV archives of January 6th and 1003 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,760 he came under so much criticism because they said he cherry 1004 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,480 picked only you know the the the safe moments or the good moments 1005 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,520 or the. No he didn't. 1006 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,360 He was just showing the other side. 1007 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,120 It's not cherry picking we by the time he showed his videos 1008 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:25,400 there had already been over 2 years of mainstream SIOP on the 1009 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,360 entire country. Mass formation psychosis, 1010 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,000 because the only thing that they showed was those two or three 1011 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,360 hundred violent provocateurs and their actions. 1012 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,800 That's all we saw for two years. And that and then. 1013 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,320 It's it's incredible because the the footage is, it's the same 1014 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640 footage You're like, oh, they're just looping the same guy 1015 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,680 throwing the same punch over and over, The same guy yelling the 1016 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,720 same insults, right from a different angle. 1017 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:52,240 Sure. Because. 1018 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,720 Because there's hundreds of cameras capturing everything 1019 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,800 that was happening at every event or every instance of 1020 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,360 violence. And so we got to see it over and 1021 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,240 over and over ad nauseam. And so all he did was just show 1022 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:10,360 a few moments, probably no more than 15 or 16 minutes of 1023 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,680 alternate view. And the left freaked out 1024 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,520 completely. He's cherry picking. 1025 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,520 No, he's just showing the other side. 1026 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,560 And I think the reason why my boring 37 minutes inside the 1027 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,400 Capitol was so compelling is that it was so different from 1028 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,880 what everybody has seen for three years and your story, I 1029 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,040 would. Have to imagine. 1030 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,440 Is more common. Than the violent story by 1031 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,080 numbers. The number of people that showed 1032 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,240 up, whatever it was, couple 100,000 people were outside of 1033 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,680 January 6th. A lot of people's story doesn't 1034 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,440 even make it on the camera. It's guy standing there talking, 1035 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,680 you know, smoking a cigarette, high fiving goes home. 1036 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,240 That story we've never seen, but there's hours and hours and 1037 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,560 hours of individuals with that story. 1038 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,760 Then there's people that came into the Capitol and they and 1039 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,080 they walked around and they did what you did. 1040 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,080 We could probably do a 37, you know, somewhere between a 3 1041 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,840 minute because some people walked in and walked right back 1042 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,760 out. They walked out the same door. 1043 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,160 They were like, no, that's not what I'm here for. 1044 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,960 There are some people that 3 minutes, some people 37, maybe 1045 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,520 some people were 90 minutes that we're just walking around hands 1046 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,680 in the air and then they're back out again as well. 1047 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,920 You could track that for probably the vast majority of 1048 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,160 the people that went through the Capitol. 1049 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,920 Doesn't make it right. I'm not saying one way or 1050 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,200 another, I'm just saying that it was utterly uneventful for most 1051 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,920 people. Hence the four charges they hit 1052 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,440 you with. That's right. 1053 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,200 And and. Of course, the four charges are 1054 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,440 always they're they're hyperbolic in and of their in 1055 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,400 and of themselves. Because the you know better than 1056 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,000 I do is that one of the things that is just modus operandi of 1057 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,240 of Department of Justice is, is to overcharge in order to exact 1058 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,920 a quick plea deal out of the the defendant. 1059 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,360 They can, they can get their credit for, you know, their 1060 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,480 career advancement, they're notching their gun belt and they 1061 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,720 can move on. So they try to scare you with 1062 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:02,240 the a list of charges that are not. 1063 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,240 Supportable by the. Evidence in any way, shape or 1064 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:05,960 form. I mean, look, you saw what my 1065 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,680 tweet was last night. My tweet was very clear. 1066 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,480 I said I I actually, you know, gave the law as it relates to 1067 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,960 journalists entering a restricted space. 1068 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,240 This includes credentialed journalist. 1069 00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,000 It doesn't matter if your if your credential says New York 1070 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:31,360 Times, Washington Post or congressional gallery, which I 1071 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,640 have that one. I know what the rules are 1072 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,480 related to that and yet we. Have a long, long history in 1073 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,920 this country of journalists following the news where it is. 1074 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,840 And so we may have some black letter law, which we talked 1075 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,840 about the flexibility in the law that continues to exist. 1076 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,160 There's what the law is and says, which we can all agree on 1077 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,760 is there. And yet then there's the way 1078 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,600 that it's actually enforced. And the fact of the matter is, 1079 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,720 is that if there are people that are destroying the US Capitol 1080 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,400 and breaking things, which there are there, there, there were on 1081 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,920 that day, then that is the priority of justice. 1082 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,560 That's the priority of law enforcement. 1083 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,680 Law enforcement tends to almost, almost exclusively overlooked 1084 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,680 journalists because it's like, why? 1085 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,320 This is not the fish we're here for. 1086 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,000 We're trying to stop the behavior. 1087 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,360 We're trying to affect an outcome that's for the public 1088 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,360 good. We don't care who you are. 1089 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,680 If you weren't involved in the thing, if you were just walking 1090 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,360 around by, like get out. You know, we're here for the 1091 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,920 people that were throwing punches, that were burning 1092 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,000 things that were breaking stuff. And this, by the way, I'm not 1093 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,720 talking about January 6th. I'm talking about all civil 1094 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:34,320 unrest moments. We have a limited amount of time 1095 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,360 on this earth, and so does the Justice Department. 1096 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,200 They have a finite amount of resources. 1097 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,600 So they focus on whoever the offenders are in order to try to 1098 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,440 stop it from future. That's the they're not trying to 1099 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,560 get, you know, recompense for the American people. 1100 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,840 That's nonsense. They never do that. 1101 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,720 Think about the big scams that are out there and the big 1102 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:50,800 frauds. Like they never get all the 1103 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,120 money back, right? It's not about that. 1104 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,720 It's trying to prevent. Future bad behavior. 1105 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,160 It's like, well, that sucked. That was bad. 1106 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,920 How do we make sure that a Bernie Madoff doesn't do that 1107 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,040 again? How do we make sure that, you 1108 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,320 know, fill in the blank person doesn't commit that crime again? 1109 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,520 Maybe they'll be intimidated because we're going to go after 1110 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,440 this person. Yeah, that's exactly right. 1111 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,520 That's the opposite of what happened for January. 6th you're 1112 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,840 you're experiencing something very different. 1113 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,600 Well, this. Is this is the this is what the 1114 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,280 law says? I mean this is what and as I was 1115 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,200 explaining is it doesn't matter what your credential said unless 1116 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,040 you have or as I say an exigent circumstance. 1117 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,840 Which means, unless law enforcement allows you to be 1118 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,760 behind a police line or in a restricted space for capturing 1119 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,120 information, photography, news, that would be in the public's 1120 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,960 interest, certainly up and until the point where you're actually 1121 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,240 interfering with their job and their duties. 1122 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,960 At the time of clearing out the bad, the bad guys, then they 1123 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,040 typically look the other way and allow you in. 1124 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,880 And by the time I reached the upper terrace that day, there 1125 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,720 are were already hundreds of people who had preceded me 1126 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,600 through that doorway and those broken windows. 1127 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,480 And I have on my own camera every there was not a cop at the 1128 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:14,200 door, not one, not ten, not 20. That's an important decision. 1129 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,840 And they're all. Standing off to the side, either 1130 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,640 talking on their phones, texting, which I didn't have a 1131 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,120 problem with either because they've been in battle for a 1132 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,640 couple of hours or probably and they know their wives are seeing 1133 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,440 this back home and they're, you know, they're texting their 1134 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,680 wives saying, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm OK, Yep. 1135 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,720 And let me let me just. Interject on that, having been 1136 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,280 in the middle of weird things, having a spouse at home who's 1137 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,280 watching all the live streamers on YouTube, trying to figure out 1138 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,080 is my husband involved in this chaos? 1139 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,400 Because I've been there. I've been in that chaos. 1140 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,760 And you you send that text. First of all, when you're in it, 1141 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,400 you're not looking to go like, oh, I better tell my wife what 1142 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,360 I'm doing. You're like, oh, I better make 1143 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,800 sure that nobody stabs me in the back. 1144 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,040 I better make sure nobody, you know, Pepper sprays me and takes 1145 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,440 my gun or whatever that thing has to happen. 1146 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,240 And then when you get that minute, you put your back to a 1147 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,920 wall and yeah, you grab your phone and you send that text. 1148 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,760 Hey, honey, I'm good. It's real crazy. 1149 00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,920 Lots of stories to tell you later. 1150 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,800 I hope you're doing well. You know, See you soon. 1151 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,080 Should should. Be done at this time or I? 1152 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,040 Don't know when this is going to end. 1153 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,160 I might be home tomorrow, might be late, whatever. 1154 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,760 Yeah, that's normal. I I had no. 1155 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,200 Problem with that analysis in my personal frame by frame review 1156 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,640 of my own video that I did in the days following January 6th 1157 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,240 and the but the point was is that they're offering no 1158 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,880 resistance. There's no warnings coming from 1159 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,440 them at all telling people not to go in. 1160 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,280 And so after hundreds of people had preceded me, I followed the 1161 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,760 crowd and I followed the story where the story went, not even 1162 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:42,360 knowing Kyle, that dozens of other credentialed journalist 1163 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:49,080 had also crossed that line and had entered into that restricted 1164 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,080 space. This is the broader. 1165 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,160 Bigger picture that I want to keep hammering home. 1166 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,480 We talked about it yesterday little bit. 1167 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,920 The weirdness of the FBI going into my credit report is a one 1168 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,840 off thing. I am a former FBI agent who 1169 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,600 knows what could happen to me. The problem is, is that can be 1170 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,400 moved at scale to anyone, including you, including the 1171 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,840 people watching our chat, people who are listening to this 1172 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,720 podcast, because when you have selective prosecution and they 1173 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,320 are looking for outcomes. We are not living in a 1174 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,920 Democratic Republic that picks representative to do the right 1175 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,280 thing. And then we have this agnostic 1176 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,920 government just saying, well, this is fair and this is not. 1177 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,160 This is black, this is white, This is on the left side of the 1178 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,200 law. This is on the wrong side of the 1179 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,160 law. We're going to take you in. 1180 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,040 That's not what we're seeing. What we saw was journalists who 1181 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,560 did the same thing you did treated materially differently 1182 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,720 based on how they reported it, where they reported it and what 1183 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,440 they reported about it. And those are not, those are not 1184 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,600 American principles. So it doesn't matter if you 1185 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,840 agree with what Steve Baker says or saw. 1186 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,400 And by the way, I agree with Steve only because I think Steve 1187 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,520 saw more than any of you did. Doesn't matter if you're 1188 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,360 listening to this, There is very little chance that anybody can 1189 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,640 say they've stood in that room and seen the cameras. 1190 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,560 And I can imagine you standing there with the fourplex, as you 1191 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,680 explained, watching and speed up time every single angle of the 1192 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:09,080 Capitol Police footage of every angle of the Capitol on that 1193 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,560 day. Nobody's done the way that 1194 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,400 you've done it. I know that because I know what 1195 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,480 kind of like, I know that you're a dog with a bone on this thing 1196 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,960 and you know that's where your safety lays is telling the 1197 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,480 truth. So if if people want to look at 1198 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,440 this and go, it doesn't matter whether you're looking at the 1199 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,360 face act violation. Sorry, I'm pontificating for a 1200 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,480 second. But I'm going to keep, I'm going 1201 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,880 to keep hammering this home. It doesn't matter if we're 1202 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,120 looking at the face act or people destroying pro-life 1203 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,720 pregnancy centers and crisis pregnancy. 1204 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,680 When the government says these people are on the right side of 1205 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,640 the law, no matter how it's written and these people are on 1206 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,400 the wrong side, we're only going to go after the people that we 1207 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,880 don't like. We are not living in a free 1208 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,360 society. This is the reason for the movie 1209 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,480 Police State. This is the reason why that 1210 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,200 warning comes out and it hits home. 1211 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,080 It's not a conservative position. 1212 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,280 It's an American position. And as you said, you voted for 1213 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,120 and against Trump. I am the same way. 1214 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,440 I also, I also was a Gary Johnson guy in 16. 1215 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,480 I also saw that Trump had a better outcome, 5050 versus -15 1216 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,520 with Biden. It's real simple. 1217 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,160 If you're calling balls and strikes, if you are not trying 1218 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,280 to be emotionally involved in it, and I refuse to be part of 1219 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:11,800 that. I'm interested in outcomes and I 1220 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,080 think that's the same thing that we share. 1221 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,320 This is the thing that my buddy Bongino talks about. 1222 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,400 If you're interested in outcomes, you look at what 1223 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,840 people's performance is and the outcome is the government's only 1224 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,080 going after one group. They are seeking an outcome. 1225 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,640 They're not allowed to do that. Political parties, yes, sure, 1226 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,600 that's what political parties do. 1227 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,000 The. Moment you ex posted and then 1228 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:36,840 Steve and then Garrett showed that FBI had ran your credit 1229 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,000 reports at the time of your suspension. 1230 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,200 Not, you know at the time of your hiring. 1231 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,960 Yes, I went, My God, show me the man. 1232 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,320 I'll show you the crime. That's what they're looking for. 1233 01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,960 Now this. Is Soviet era. 1234 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,800 This is Soviet, Soviet era evil that we're facing right now. 1235 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,640 And that is exactly what they were doing with you guys. 1236 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,680 That's exactly what they're doing with me. 1237 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,720 It's exactly what they have been doing for three years. 1238 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:10,560 With me is looking for that kill shot to charge me with a felony. 1239 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,600 At the end of the day there was 2. 1240 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,880 There's two primary reasons why they waited 2 1/2 years, more 1241 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,000 than 2 1/2 years after the first time the FBI contacted me before 1242 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,280 they finally charged me with a crime. 1243 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,720 The first reason is, is that we were quite successful with the 1244 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:34,680 press beating them back we had, even as even when I was an 1245 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,280 independent 2 1/2 years ago, I was still more successful than 1246 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:45,480 any other declared defendant that was going to be charged at 1247 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,720 the new in advance in making waves to back them down and go, 1248 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,160 oh crap, we're going to have to deal with APR Battle as well. 1249 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,000 This is not going to be something we can do in the 1250 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,400 background and do behind, you know, the the the curtain. 1251 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,800 And so that backed him down. And so then they spent another 1252 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:09,120 two plus years trying to find that felony. 1253 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,600 And that was proven in August of last year when I got a grand 1254 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,280 jury subpoena for my January 6th video videos. 1255 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,760 And the the the thing that makes us know that that was for me and 1256 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,480 not for my videos that that they had the grand jury investigating 1257 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,280 me was the fact that we had already offered my videos to the 1258 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,480 FBI cooperatively 2 years prior. So that was not, I mean that was 1259 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,120 not an issue. I mean, Special Agent Craig 1260 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,080 Noyles could have called me up and said, hey, we're ready to, 1261 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,840 you know, take a look at your videos now. 1262 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,200 I'd have either drop box them to him or taking him a flash drive 1263 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,640 cooperatively at the time. And then we get a grand jury 1264 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,120 subpoena And everybody from my lawyers to other legal affairs 1265 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,720 journalists, they all went, yeah, they're looking at you now 1266 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,640 and and so grand juries are not seated for misdemeanor crimes. 1267 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,640 They are only there to investigate felonies. 1268 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,160 So somebody. At the Department of Justice. 1269 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,680 FBIUS attorneys, somebody presented to the grand jury a 1270 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,760 case to get me on a felony, and apparently the grand jury said 1271 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,920 sorry, don't see it, no true bill. 1272 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,240 No. And by the way, that doesn't. 1273 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,400 Happen. Do you know that have? 1274 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,840 You had that conversation. Yeah, I, yes, let let me just, 1275 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,720 let me just blow the audience mind just a little bit. 1276 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,840 I would say that when a federal agent goes and sits to testify 1277 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,200 for an indictment in front of a federal grand jury, that the 1278 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,040 success rate is well over 99%. Because you got it. 1279 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,440 You show up there because you have the goods. 1280 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,240 And I can guarantee you they thought they had the goods on 1281 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,760 Steve Baker when they went in there. 1282 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,840 And a jury of a grand jury of your peers, theoretically just a 1283 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,000 bunch of people who get called together and a grand jury just 1284 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,560 isn't paneled. And then they just bring a bunch 1285 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,160 of cases. They go, OK, now we got this 1286 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,880 case here, and this is we're looking for a felony indictment 1287 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,440 for 9/22. This guy was an unlawful 1288 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,160 possessor of a firearm. He's a felon. 1289 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,720 Here's the story. Here's a criminal rap sheet. 1290 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,680 OK, Agent Seraphin, can you tell me about this guy? 1291 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,040 He's like, yeah, according to police reports, on this day, he 1292 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,040 put the gun at his girlfriend. He had the gun in his hand. 1293 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,160 Girlfriend recognized it as a gun that he had stolen calling, 1294 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,560 blah blah blah. Then they go OK, then you walk 1295 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,480 out and then they just vote and they vote whether they're going 1296 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,280 to return a true bill or not, they think they've got it. 1297 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,920 It's usually a slam dunk. Grand jury is easy. 1298 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,160 We can. Indite a ham. 1299 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,120 Sandwich. You can indite a ham sandwich. 1300 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,560 But what that means is, is that all I need to do is present 1301 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,600 unless people understand, you know, there has to be facts, but 1302 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,880 I don't have to present any exculpatory information. 1303 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,240 All I need to say is Steve Baker was there on the Capitol. 1304 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,880 He did these things. We believe he engaged in this 1305 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,960 particular felonious activity. And here's the evidence of it 1306 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,040 with no mitigating circumstances. 1307 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,160 And then the people go, oh, yeah, well, there's enough there 1308 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,720 for us to indict him, which means that we will try him and 1309 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:53,960 see if it's beyond a reasonable doubt. 1310 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,720 It's a very low standard to indict. 1311 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,880 They couldn't even get that because people looked at it and 1312 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,960 they went, why? I don't think so. 1313 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,200 Whatever. Whatever felony they wanted to 1314 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,560 get after you with, the evidence wasn't there. 1315 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,000 They couldn't show it. Even with snippets and cherry 1316 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,800 picking, it couldn't. It couldn't be exposed to 1317 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,160 regular people looking at something reasonably going OK, 1318 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,600 because there's just pictures of Steve walking around and texting 1319 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,920 and picking videos and being in the corner and not lifting. 1320 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,760 You know, he's not running off of the lectern and he's not 1321 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,640 knocking over the the ropes and he's not, you know, graffitiing 1322 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,120 his name on George Washington's photo or painting or anything 1323 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,680 like it. Just that's just not it. 1324 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,400 It's really hard to fail at that indictment. 1325 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,320 Yeah. And and. 1326 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,320 You know that's when they're. Supposed to walk away, Steve. 1327 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,000 That's when they're supposed to walk away and say we don't have 1328 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:42,960 it right. I'm. 1329 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,000 I'm working. Without notes today, as you are 1330 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,880 and as as you and I should be, I think you and I adlibbing is 1331 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,880 stronger than anybody working off notes. 1332 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,520 But the one thing we don't want to forget today is to go through 1333 01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:00,880 the process of particularly my pretrial restrictions that I'm 1334 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,880 operating under right now. But just send it, yeah, let 1335 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:04,560 people know. What? 1336 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,440 What they've put on you? Yeah, this is a big. 1337 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,680 This is a. Big part of this story is that 1338 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,440 when they finally came through with the four charges, when I 1339 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:20,680 finally knew what they were, I publicly admitted that I drunk, 1340 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:27,600 tested or texted Special Agent Craig Noyes and I actually said 1341 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,080 to him, I said 4 misdemeanors. Seriously, is that all you got, 1342 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,520 man? And. 1343 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:36,640 So I was taunting him. Yeah. 1344 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:41,920 And so one of my pretrial restrictions, the one that I'm 1345 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,720 most proud of, is that I can no longer text my FBI agent. 1346 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,160 It is in the court. Documents naming him do not text 1347 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,600 your FBI. Agent Can I text him? 1348 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,560 Yeah, I suppose. You can but as well I. 1349 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,479 I am. I am actually not. 1350 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:05,080 It was read in court twice. It was read in Dallas and it was 1351 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:10,000 read in DC Both my hearings there that I could no longer 1352 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,920 text Special Agent Craig Noyes. You know what's funny is? 1353 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,640 They shouldn't do stuff like that. 1354 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,240 That's the Streisand Effect in action. 1355 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,920 Because that makes me want to text Craig and be like, what's 1356 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,439 up bro? Why are you giving money to 1357 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:22,439 Democrats? They hate you. 1358 01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,479 Now everyone else does too. What a dumb. 1359 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,600 What a dumb move. You don't have to say anything 1360 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,840 about him. I just, I think it's so sad the 1361 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,520 minute that you let. The minute that you decide that. 1362 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,800 You're going towards an outcome. You're the bad guy in federal 1363 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,160 law enforcement. That doesn't mean everybody in 1364 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,960 the FBI is a bad guy. I I have friends that are still 1365 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,240 there. I'm not mad at them, all of 1366 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,640 them. I'm mad at some of them. 1367 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,479 But it's super disappointing to think that the tribe that I 1368 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,600 thought I was joining and I use the word tribe because that's 1369 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,760 how it is. It's it's a tribe. 1370 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,279 You're either in or you're out and I'm out. 1371 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,720 It's very disappointing to see those people act in a way that 1372 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,200 is not the coming of the thing that I signed up to be part of. 1373 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,360 And the other really interesting irony is I joined a circle of 1374 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,400 brothers or a family friendship group that is bonded by values 1375 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,400 and by behavior and by demonstrable character on 1376 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:13,840 accident. By getting kicked out of the 1377 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,280 FBI, I actually found that the group that I was looking for, I 1378 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,960 said that the other day with Steve with Steve friend and with 1379 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,200 Garrett producer Phil. And there's a couple of others 1380 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,120 that are out there in the background that that operate and 1381 01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,200 know and you're one of them and and I found this other this, 1382 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,200 it's it's not a tribe because tribes. 1383 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,000 You're just born into the tribe, right? 1384 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,280 Tribes are are, circumstance, locality, affiliation, the right 1385 01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,600 paint. This is, this is like a 1386 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,760 fraternity, a fraternity of brothers. 1387 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,600 That said, these are the values. This is the code that we're 1388 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,000 going to live by. It just turns out that we all 1389 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,680 had that code and I accidentally found it because we all did the 1390 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:50,960 same thing. We looked at it and we said this 1391 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,120 is wrong. I'm not into it. 1392 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:54,480 I'm going to just speak the truth. 1393 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,600 The truth, the reason why they have such a hard time with you, 1394 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,200 Steve, it's because you're not coming from this political 1395 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,640 ideal. You're not saying, hey, I'm 1396 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,600 Steve Baker, I'm J6 Patriot, which, you know, like. 1397 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:04,880 Like. Like Jake Lang is out there 1398 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,480 doing who? I won't go on his show because 1399 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,800 he has a podcast from jail. That guy is a snake. 1400 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,080 There's something going on there. 1401 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,800 We know all kinds of stuff in the background, folks. 1402 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,400 I'll. I'll substantiate this another 1403 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,360 time, I promise you. But you're not doing that. 1404 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:18,800 What you're saying is here's what's true. 1405 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,560 Here's what's not true. Here's what the questions are. 1406 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,880 Why are journalists not following them? 1407 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:22,920 Oh, they're not. I will. 1408 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,920 I will do investigative work. You have made me give up music 1409 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,480 to be an investigator, to follow in my father's footsteps at this 1410 01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:31,000 lady. You know, the second movement or 1411 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,840 third movement in my life as I go on and I'm doing the same. 1412 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,600 It's like we're going to talk about the truth. 1413 01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,480 Yeah, wherever it. Goes. 1414 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,640 However inconvenient it might be, and I I've said that from. 1415 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,920 Day one, about January 6th. I don't care who the people were 1416 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,880 that drew first blood. I don't care. 1417 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,040 It doesn't matter. I don't care if it was a. 1418 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,040 Mag, I don't care if it. Was Antifa. 1419 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,680 I don't care if it was a Fed. I don't care, right? 1420 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,440 But. I'm, I'm going. 1421 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,920 To find out who, I'm going to find out who lit that fire that 1422 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:59,120 day, and I actually already know, but that's another story. 1423 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:01,560 Did you hear that? What was the? 1424 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,440 Timestamp on this I should look. Over at the. 1425 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,080 Timestamp. That's that's fun. 1426 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,280 It is fun. But I but I have a legal object 1427 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:15,200 obligation to connect all the dots to put all tie all the 1428 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,800 threads together. Put all the pieces of the puzzle 1429 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:23,040 together in order to present this to the American people when 1430 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,600 we are done with this and you know look this is this is not a 1431 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,360 brag but I'm just going to tell you and you and your audience 1432 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,640 point blank the first time I ever had the opportunity to meet 1433 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:39,280 with a representative Barry Loudermilk and his staff and I 1434 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,720 do believe that they're doing good work. 1435 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,560 Are are they going too slow. Yeah. 1436 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,800 By our all, all measurement and all perceptions, is it going too 1437 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,120 slow? Yet people's lives are getting, 1438 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:53,520 are still being ruined. Every day lives have been 1439 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,520 destroyed and people are spending decades in prison 1440 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,600 because Congress has not intervened. 1441 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,200 But I also now know more about what they're up against and who 1442 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,200 they're up against and why the progress is delayed. 1443 01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,200 And the first time that I met with he and his full staff in 1444 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,280 his office at the conference table and we spent an hour and 1445 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:17,760 15 minutes in that first meeting. 1446 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,360 And we stood up. Getting ready to leave, saying 1447 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,120 our closing lines and shaking hands. 1448 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,400 And Loudermilk said to me, he said, you know, he said, we've 1449 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:35,120 been working on this for two years trying to put the jigsaw 1450 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,400 puzzle together, but we didn't have the top of the box. 1451 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,520 And if you've ever done a jigsaw puzzle, that's what you 1452 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,120 referenced in order to put the pieces together. 1453 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,400 And he said, today you brought us the top of the box. 1454 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,280 And. What? 1455 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,680 So when I say I know who was on the Star Chamber. 1456 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,880 That set this up. When I tell the Department of 1457 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,120 Justice, FBI, Capitol Police leadership right here on your 1458 01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:10,600 show today that I know, who sat on the Star Chamber that framed 1459 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,800 the Oath Keepers, I know, and I'm going to put the remaining 1460 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,120 pieces of the puzzle together. And then when I do. 1461 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:26,000 We'll run it through legal at The Blaze and we'll release it. 1462 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:29,680 Yeah, When people. People, some of. 1463 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,480 Our chat was like, what do you mean you don't care about who 1464 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,160 drew first blood? The fact of the matter is you're 1465 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:34,800 not emotionally committed to an outcome. 1466 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,240 You don't have to go search that what you care about is what 1467 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,240 happened, right? That's correct. 1468 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,800 No. If I if I was emotionally or 1469 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,480 politically motivated by who drew first blood, well then I 1470 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,800 would pick my team, my side, my tribe, and then I would blame 1471 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,720 the other side, right? That's why I. 1472 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,440 Don't care. I don't. 1473 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,280 It doesn't matter to me. I mean, and I I say this with 1474 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,440 all sincerity. I don't care if the order came 1475 01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:02,320 from Trump's desk itself. I don't care that. 1476 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,880 It just matters what is true. Yeah, I I I. 1477 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,480 And I will tell you right now, it didn't. 1478 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,920 Yeah, no, I'm sure I already. Told you I know. 1479 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,960 Where the order came from? Yeah, it did not come from his 1480 01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:12,720 desk. Sure. 1481 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:15,960 But I didn't know that 2. Years ago, which is why you 1482 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,160 start off. With whatever anybody. 1483 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,520 If you If you don't understand how to bring an investigation 1484 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,800 forward, whatever it is that you think is true, you should try to 1485 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,200 disprove it. It's the only way to do that. 1486 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,880 Whatever appears to be correct, whatever the you know, this is 1487 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,880 the easiest way to to do a felony investigation. 1488 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,520 These are the elements of the crime. 1489 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,040 This is the person who's gone out there and we believe did it. 1490 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,920 Let's see if we can disprove it. Can we can we do, can we find 1491 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,640 exculpatory evidence? Because if we can, then this 1492 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,200 case is weak. Yeah. 1493 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,920 But if all you keep coming up with is affirmations that move 1494 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,000 you towards more felony information, more evidence that 1495 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,280 the crime took place in the way that it did, that you believe it 1496 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,560 did, you're like, OK, fine, got it. 1497 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,280 I can't disprove myself. I don't think anybody else can 1498 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,960 do it either. Then we bring the case. 1499 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,520 And in the case of your indictment, which is why it's so 1500 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,640 shocking, they brought whatever it is that they thought without 1501 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,840 being conflicting, they didn't have to even go and try to 1502 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,080 disprove it. They just said here, can we can 1503 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,800 we find any evidence that shows that it happened and they 1504 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,880 couldn't even get that done? This is the weakness of our DOJ 1505 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,440 right now, but that's what weaponized government looks 1506 01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:13,400 like. They're looking for an outcome. 1507 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,160 You're looking for an answer. That's the difference. 1508 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,560 Outcomes or answers? You only really get to pick two. 1509 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,160 You can either go out there and find out what the truth is, 1510 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,160 capital T, this is what happened and my closest human 1511 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,480 approximation of it in all our imperfections. 1512 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:32,320 Or you can say I have an answer that I'd like to arrive at. 1513 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,360 I wonder if I can prove it. I wonder why that's so. 1514 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,840 Hard for so many to understand. It's because it's it's the 1515 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,320 simplest concept I know. I'm either looking for an 1516 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,400 outcome because I'm predisposed to a particular answer or I'm 1517 01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:47,720 looking for the truth. That's it. 1518 01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:52,160 And I I am not looking for an outcome in this you know 1519 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,680 three-year plus investigation that I've been involved with. 1520 01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:01,600 Right now I am looking for the truth and it the the the the 1521 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,760 picture is is becoming clearer and clearer. 1522 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,960 You know it's it's becoming more and more into focus with every 1523 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,840 passing month as I work through this and put the pieces of those 1524 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:16,280 puzzles together and I will I will tell you Kyle that the most 1525 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,320 and and you're you've already you've already dealt with this 1526 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:19,960 before. I did. 1527 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:25,040 But since my I keep I hate calling it an arrest. 1528 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,720 You know. Yeah technically it was an 1529 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,480 arrest. That's how they started it. 1530 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,120 I know. And I hate calling it that. 1531 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,640 Because hey. They. 1532 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,560 They. Contacted us, you know, by phone 1533 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,360 and said, hey, you know, pick a day and we'll work with you on 1534 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,400 your day. And even that though, I mean. 1535 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:45,960 The the fact of the matter is arrest. 1536 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:46,960 What does it equal? What is that? 1537 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,560 That means you are no longer free to go. 1538 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,800 You have been arrested, which means you've been stopped in the 1539 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,080 forward progress of your life, and you've now been taken into 1540 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,200 custody, which all happened. And then they have detained you 1541 01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,440 against your will, not because you were excited, Even if you 1542 01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,400 voluntarily went there. You didn't say. 1543 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,320 Well, Kyle, you know what I think I'm going to do today? 1544 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,400 I'm going to turn myself into the FBI and see if they they 1545 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,800 chained me up and March me around and put me in a cell with 1546 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,760 a meth head. No, that's not what you chose to 1547 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:10,560 do. So those are all. 1548 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:11,960 That's what an arrest is. You, don't you? 1549 01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,440 What you're what you're settling on there is that sort of 1550 01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:15,880 survivor's guilt. You didn't have the same 1551 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,400 experience of someone kicking down your door. 1552 01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:19,720 Yeah, maybe. Maybe there's. 1553 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,200 A touch of that, but but where I was going with that is probably 1554 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,360 interconnected. Is that because of the nature of 1555 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:33,040 my arrest, the crazies are coming out of the woodwork like 1556 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,760 that. I'm the Fed now. 1557 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:43,320 I'm the you know I'm running a SIOP I, you know the the the 1558 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,120 Blaze Mormon mafia. The Blaze Proud Boy mafia. 1559 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,560 I mean, you can't believe all of the ways that this is being 1560 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,200 characterized right now, because I can. 1561 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,160 Oh yes, you can I. Know you can. 1562 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,360 Do you know where this comes from though, Steve and? 1563 01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:57,800 I'll I'll let you finish that shot in one SEC. 1564 01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,800 But let me just give the audience a taste of what I think 1565 01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,720 this happens. What happened is in 2020 we had 1566 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,360 an unbelievable weird reaction to something that has never 1567 01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,560 happened before and people lost faith in institutions, including 1568 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,600 churches, the media, the government and law enforcement. 1569 01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,520 And when they lost that faith in institutions, when those anchors 1570 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,560 chains were cut, they had two choices. 1571 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,520 I don't believe anything from anybody. 1572 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,040 I am now a skeptic permanently and I think that's where you and 1573 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,920 I landed. The alternative was I now 1574 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,280 believe anything that I think because nobody else can tell me 1575 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,040 what to think and whatever. I and Steve Baker is a Fed and 1576 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,920 Kyle Serafin is a fed because I feel like it, because it feels 1577 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,280 good to say it, because I'm emotional and I don't have any 1578 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:38,800 sort of facts. But I don't need facts anymore. 1579 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,120 Facts are not the world we live in. 1580 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,440 So when we when we take facts out of the equation, then people 1581 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,840 can do one of two things, not trust anything or trust 1582 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,880 whatever's in their head, which is not a good thing to do. 1583 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,400 There's, there's, basically. Three types of attacks that I'm 1584 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,640 facing right now. The first one is actually one I 1585 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,480 can understand and I can empathize with. 1586 01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,280 Sympathize with is the fact that there are other January 6th 1587 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,800 defendants who have been treated far worse than I've been treated 1588 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,440 who have been completely abused by the system. 1589 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,000 Their their rights have been trampled upon. 1590 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,800 You know, there's there's been no desire by the Department of 1591 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:19,320 Justice to adhere to anything resembling a recognition of of, 1592 01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,920 you know, the due process and. And some of those people. 1593 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,040 Are a little bit red assed at me because I've gotten more 1594 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,480 attention now than anybody else. I've gotten more attention. 1595 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:37,160 My my arrest alone ultimately had more views, more hits, more 1596 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:44,000 clicks than the entirety of the five month Proud Boys trial, 1597 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,440 then the entirety of the nine week Oath Keepers trial. 1598 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:50,080 You want to tell people why that is? 1599 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,560 Because I have. I I know why it is. 1600 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,120 But you may not. Maybe you don't. 1601 01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:55,120 Maybe you don't. Haven't thought about it? 1602 01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:55,880 No. I'll tell you what. 1603 01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,080 Let's. I'll hold on to reasons number 1604 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,080 two and three while you run it, run us through that, OK, the 1605 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,640 reason. That Steve Baker's arrest and 1606 01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,520 his prosecution has gotten as much notoriety as it has are 1607 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,240 twofold thing. Number one the. 1608 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,440 DOJ was working up to a Steve Baker attack, so they built it 1609 01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:18,840 up on their own by waiting as long as they did and saying they 1610 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,000 were going to do something and not doing it and giving evidence 1611 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,920 for that. That made it obviously 1612 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,200 politically motivated because they said they were going to do 1613 01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,160 something, didn't follow through on it until it was appropriate, 1614 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,280 and they felt like they had enough steam head behind them to 1615 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,440 do it. And the second reason is because 1616 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:36,400 of the work put in, which is primarily you specifically 1617 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,160 determining that your fate is going to be reliant on your 1618 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,440 survival and your ability to do what you're doing. 1619 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,960 Which means a ton of sweat equity went into that particular 1620 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,120 situation. You spent a ton of time on the 1621 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,040 ground. You continue to do the work, not 1622 01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,960 looking for outcomes, but looking for answers. 1623 01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,680 And you went after it hard, hard, hard, every single day, 1624 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,600 every day. This is what you and I talk 1625 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,680 about when we speak. There are there's one story on 1626 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,360 your mind and you got your single focus on that. 1627 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,760 That singularity of focus and clarity was what? 1628 01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,160 Drove. Your story over the top because 1629 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,040 nobody else did more work on their own behalf than you did on 1630 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,200 your behalf to try to stay on the right side. 1631 01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,760 And it turns out it also benefits America. 1632 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:18,720 That's the that's the the dual benefit. 1633 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,280 It wasn't just self-serving, even though it you know, it does 1634 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,880 serve your purposes. No, you're. 1635 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,040 You're you're right about that they they probably DOJ probably 1636 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,120 rused the day that they did not go ahead and arrest me in 1637 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:34,480 November of 21 when they first lit me with the rest they were 1638 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,520 shocked by the amount of press coverage that I got then and 1639 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,120 they they backed off and and we didn't hear from them for 20 1640 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:47,360 months but the the next the next thing is let me just finish up 1641 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,880 the thought there on on that first group is that first group 1642 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:55,280 has I I understand them and I understand why they are like. 1643 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,000 Dude, they locked. Me in solitary confinement for 5 1644 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,800 1/2 months before I finally got anybody to listen to me or I 1645 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,560 didn't have I I couldn't even get a lawyer for six days or, 1646 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,440 you know, and I got here, I got six of them standing behind me. 1647 01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:10,760 You know, I I get it. I understand it. 1648 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,000 And so my intention, and I'm, I'm saying this in every single 1649 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,880 interview I do now, is that my intent is to use this light that 1650 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,760 is being shown on my case to reflect that back on the abuses 1651 01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:31,160 of FBIDOJ at all towards those that who were in fact more 1652 01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,040 egregiously abused. And I have been through this 1653 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,800 process. You need to crack. 1654 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,440 The armor before you can breakthrough it, right? 1655 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,120 And and you are are you have an opportunity to crack it. 1656 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,160 So you're taking it and I think that's important. 1657 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:49,800 The the the second group of people are those who have sent 1658 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:55,360 me over a two year period. Their ideas, their they, you 1659 01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,840 know, they have, they have leads. 1660 01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,560 They have theories. Maybe even they have what they 1661 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,160 think is evidence. And they will send me these and 1662 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,720 long emails about a certain character January 6th. 1663 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:12,040 Or, you know, maybe it's one of the agencies or it's somebody in 1664 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,080 the Department of Justice or somebody at the Capitol Police 1665 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:18,200 or whatever the case may be. And then I when when I agree to 1666 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,920 look at it, you know it's compelling enough through their 1667 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,600 presentation to me, through a a Facebook or an XDM that I'll 1668 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,760 I'll agree to look at it. And then they'll send me all of 1669 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,320 their data over. And then when I don't find or I 1670 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,120 can't see what they think they see and I don't pursue it as a 1671 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:40,520 story for myself or the Blaze or whatever, then they get mad at 1672 01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:45,160 me and then they get angry. They're angry to the point of 1673 01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,680 then accusing me of being controlled opposition. 1674 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,160 Oh oh, you didn't see what I saw. 1675 01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,960 That must mean you're participating in the cover up. 1676 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,480 That's the second group of people, 100%. 1677 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,520 I get those too. And then there's. 1678 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,960 The third group, which is just pure outright. 1679 01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,920 Effing crazy. They're nuts. 1680 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,000 Yeah, mental illness is real. Yeah. 1681 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:14,320 We had a guy who got on an airplane, flew from Atlanta to 1682 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,560 Dallas, landed in Dallas taking a selfie video telling me he's 1683 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,120 coming to see me at the Blaze headquarters. 1684 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,320 This is why he flew in. He's not invited nobody. 1685 01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,360 Asked. He didn't get an appointment. 1686 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,960 Oh man. But he flew into Dallas. 1687 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,720 Then the next day he video tell videotapes himself with one of 1688 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,440 his on the ground. You know, followers from his 1689 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:40,440 thing. They're in Dallas and they're 1690 01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:44,760 videotaping themselves a selfie at Daley Plaza announcing that 1691 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,520 they're coming to see me. And they're going to, they're 1692 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,920 going to bum rush me and Glenn Beck and they're going to set us 1693 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,560 straight. The next day. 1694 01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,520 Kyle, I'm doing a show. I'm doing the Sarah Gonzalez 1695 01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,280 show. I come out of the show, go 1696 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,720 upstairs to the executive suite, sit down at my computer, and 1697 01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,240 I've got messages on my Slack channel going. 1698 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,400 You got a guy outside our our security had to run off. 1699 01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,560 I go online, The guys posted a selfie video of him walking 1700 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:17,240 around the Blaze parking lot, and then he got spooked by our 1701 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,520 security and ran off. Got flew from Atlanta to do 1702 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:21,720 that. There's a lot of handle out 1703 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:22,720 there. That the chat. 1704 01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,480 Just said it. There's a lot of retards, man. 1705 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,200 We got to just we got to accept that they're real and they're 1706 01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,880 all over the place at the at the there was another lady. 1707 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,360 Who I didn't take her. You know, I I I didn't take her 1708 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,560 story. I didn't I didn't follow it. 1709 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:41,320 I was. But I had announced, as I will 1710 01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,720 do on social media when I'm going to cover a particular 1711 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,680 trial or whatever in in DC And at this particular and this 1712 01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,280 particular instance, I was covering the Oath Keeper 1713 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,360 sentencing hearing. So I think I was back in May of 1714 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:58,400 last year and this lady got on a plane and flew from Chicago and 1715 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:04,720 and got me in the hallway at the when I came out of one of the 1716 01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,600 hearings, she was there. This lady who I've been, I'd 1717 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,680 already dismissed her, her idea, her story and stop responding to 1718 01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,720 her messages as you have to do, because they start sending you 1719 01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,880 hundreds of them and then they start attacking you and then 1720 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,920 they start, you know, telling you that you're controlled, 1721 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,000 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because you won't take their 1722 01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,040 their story or you must be part of them. 1723 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,640 The people that have done this to me and she flies from Chicago 1724 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:31,920 to DC and bum rushes me there and to the point where finally I 1725 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,640 had to say you either back off and back away right now or I'm 1726 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,280 calling the US Marshals right now. 1727 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:40,920 This is a. This is a function. 1728 01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,280 Of whatever I believe must be true because there is no 1729 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,120 institution. And if that's the case, if you, 1730 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,160 if that's your motivating principle, if you have no North 1731 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,480 Star, then you're truly awash in the world and you're going to 1732 01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,240 spend a couple $100 to get on a plane and go yell at a stranger 1733 01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,080 that you've never met and you know nothing about. 1734 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,840 And you know, I I had a guy yesterday actually on social. 1735 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,080 This is, I wasn't going to bring this up. 1736 01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,440 But it's funny. He got really mad about 1737 01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:05,440 something that I posted and it was like completely unrelated to 1738 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:07,960 what I posted. And he said, Kyle Serafin, 1739 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,440 you've never worked it a day in your life and and I was enlisted 1740 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,080 and you're a W pointer and you're a piece of shit. 1741 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,840 It's like I'm a W pointer. Like, that's a really weird 1742 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,800 thing to think. First of all, there's plenty of 1743 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:21,920 available information about me. I've never once claimed to have 1744 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,840 gone to a Military Academy. I actually had a shot at the Air 1745 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,320 Force Academy and Navy, and I turned it down because I thought 1746 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,000 being in the military was dumb right up until the point I 1747 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,400 enlisted at 27 years old. So anyway, so this guy's going 1748 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,000 out and he's and he's got and he's he's 100% sure about it and 1749 01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,280 he's like, I live in Haltom City and I'm going to come kick your 1750 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,480 ass and break my boot off. It's like, dude, I live in 1751 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:42,640 Liberty Hill, TX. Knock yourself out, crazies. 1752 01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,040 I carry a gun everywhere. I got a gun sitting here on the 1753 01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,480 desk right here. I got a 1911 sitting right next 1754 01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:48,080 to me. Why? 1755 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,760 Because you're a classy old school kind of guy. 1756 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,320 I got a classy old school kind of piece here, and I don't 1757 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:53,480 understand where these people come from. 1758 01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,040 It makes me laugh. It's a little bit disconcerting. 1759 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,600 If someone wants to find you in person to do that to you, well, 1760 01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,800 this. Which is why we are now. 1761 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,840 Filing we're now filing motion this week. 1762 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,520 It'll be it'll be filed by tomorrow to get the rights to my 1763 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,240 weapons back because I had to surrender them. 1764 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,680 Yeah. I didn't have to actually hand 1765 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,800 them to the FBI or to the DOJ, but I had to move them off. 1766 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:19,080 I can't carry any longer. I I before I was before I self 1767 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,800 surrendered in Dallas. I handed my Dallas attorney my 1768 01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,720 my Beretta and he put it in his safe. 1769 01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,320 We should talk about that, Beretta. 1770 01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,320 Later. But OK, yeah, I know I. 1771 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,360 I I hate it's in my hand. I like it a lot. 1772 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,040 Yeah, you got to folks let you let this be a lesson to you that 1773 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,040 the best carry gun is the gun that you carry. 1774 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,520 So anyway, but yes, they've they've removed your gun rights, 1775 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,520 which you haven't. You've been convicted of 1776 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,760 nothing. And even if you were convicted 1777 01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,600 of the thing that you did, that they claim you've done, right, 1778 01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,440 even if you were convicted of the misdemeanors, you still 1779 01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:51,640 would have your gun rights. Yeah, let's let's segue. 1780 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,400 Into the restrictions that I'm operating on they called pre pre 1781 01:29:55,400 --> 01:30:00,640 trial you know restrictions and there's a there's a a long list 1782 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,040 but there's a a really just only a short list that actually means 1783 01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,960 something. The one thing is that I have to 1784 01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,080 surrender my gun rights. Now well understand again as you 1785 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,680 said, I've been convicted of nothing, but more importantly 1786 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,120 I've been charged with nonviolent misdemeanor crimes. 1787 01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,920 All right. Meaning if I am convicted of all 1788 01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,200 four of these, if I go to trial and I take a conviction, or even 1789 01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,800 if I plea down to one of them and I'm convicted ultimately of 1790 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,840 that particular crime because they're misdemeanors, I 1791 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,440 instantly get my guns back. The process is the punishment. 1792 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:35,000 There's a reason why I named it that the other day. 1793 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,280 For our podcast folks, the process is designed to punish, 1794 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,160 and it puts you in danger. Real danger. 1795 01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,680 Yes, yes, I'm. In real danger right now because 1796 01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,480 I have people getting on airplanes from other parts of 1797 01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,800 the country flying and stalking me, right? 1798 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,120 Judges don't have that. No. 1799 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,440 That's happening to me. That's. 1800 01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,160 That's an actual. Demonstrable threat to your life 1801 01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,160 that people are crazy enough to come after you? 1802 01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,240 Yeah, that's right. And if you're right and not and 1803 01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,280 not just flying to see me, they're sending me messages. 1804 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:07,840 I get phone calls. They are accusing me of wild ass 1805 01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,920 shit that you cannot believe. We talk a lot about on the. 1806 01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,320 Show about what is and what is not an actual federal crime. 1807 01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,360 Making a threat on social media, generally speaking, doesn't 1808 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,560 follow a crime. It's true threats that are 1809 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,760 covered that we say are not part of the 1st Amendment. 1810 01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,240 Actually, I would actually even rule those out. 1811 01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,440 I'm an absolutist. I don't even care. 1812 01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:24,080 Like true threat, just let me carry a gun and I'm good. 1813 01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,840 But true threats are not considered free speech in this 1814 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,800 country according to case law. There's plenty of it. 1815 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,000 People can go look at Brandon versus Ohio. 1816 01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,080 There's a couple of other ones now. 1817 01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,840 They're now, they've escaped my mind, 'cause I'm trying to think 1818 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,200 about them. True threats mean that they have 1819 01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,600 the willingness, the ability, the the wherewithal, and they 1820 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,440 have demonstrated some sort of interest in actually carrying 1821 01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:45,760 out the threat, flying across the country to go tell somebody 1822 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,680 to their face that the I I sent you a message and I wanted you 1823 01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,240 to get it in person from my face. 1824 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,240 That's a true threat. Real people like that will get 1825 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,360 you locked up if you do that. If you fly outside, you know, 1826 01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,280 across the country and do it outside the White House, you're 1827 01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,440 going to jail. If you say that stuff on social 1828 01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:03,960 media, I'll take it seriously. When people start showing up and 1829 01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,960 you've had that happen, you've just given us at least two 1830 01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:07,520 examples of that happening, maybe more. 1831 01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:09,800 Yep. That's crazy that I know about. 1832 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:10,800 That's the two that I know about. 1833 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:15,040 Yeah. And so and so the the other 1834 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,960 well, actually my my PSO, my pretrial services officer, I 1835 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,160 have two of them. I have one here in North 1836 01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:24,360 Carolina and then and he works for the directly for the federal 1837 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,800 court. He wears a badge and carries a 1838 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:31,720 gun, and he was on our first conversation a few weeks ago. 1839 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,080 He was just absolutely amazed at how LAX my restrictions already 1840 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:41,360 are, because most January 6th defendants can't travel without 1841 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:42,680 permission out of their district. 1842 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,200 So I've got the Central District of North Carolina. 1843 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,640 Under normal circumstances, I would have to get permission 1844 01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,760 just to travel to the Western District of North Carolina, or 1845 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,120 to travel to South Carolina or Virginia just across the state 1846 01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,000 line. I'd have to get permission from 1847 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,360 my PSO to even do either of those things. 1848 01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,240 I do not have such a restriction on me, which is completely 1849 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:05,560 different than all other J6 defendants who have preceded me. 1850 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:10,240 We are my my attorneys actually were disappointed that that 1851 01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,640 wasn't put on me because especially the restriction of 1852 01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,480 going to DC itself, because all other January 6th defendants, 1853 01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:21,000 unless you live in the District, you can't go to the District 1854 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,080 except for Legal affairs or for your hearings in your trials. 1855 01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,680 That's it. That's the only reason you can 1856 01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,800 go. The the government did not even 1857 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,760 seek that restriction on me because, well, they didn't want 1858 01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,360 the battle because they because they know that it's. 1859 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,280 Wrong. Yeah, Well, they they. 1860 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,520 They not only know that it's wrong, but they also know that 1861 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,640 I've got the bullhorn that I have now that I didn't have 2 1862 01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,960 1/2 years ago. And as a result of that, that 1863 01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,040 my, my, my. To be honest with you, my 1864 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:50,320 lawyers were licking their chops. 1865 01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,120 They wanted that battle they wanted to make. 1866 01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,480 This includes guys like Bill Shipley. 1867 01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:55,440 Who've seen all these and and others? 1868 01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:56,920 You've got some other good attorneys that are in there. 1869 01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,960 They know lest lest I leave the the field. 1870 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,480 Counterven V Colorado and Watts V United States. 1871 01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:05,880 Those are the free speech cases that involve true threats. 1872 01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,640 Let people if you want the receipts on that. 1873 01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,360 If you want to know what true threats are, you should know, 1874 01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,400 especially if you're going to be speaking online. 1875 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,520 I know that you're safe on what the things that you say, but 1876 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,920 crazy people go read the case law because it's real. 1877 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,280 It's out there. And they go back to the 19. 60s 1878 01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,040 So it's not like it's new stuff, yeah. 1879 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:26,160 And so the the my PSO is shocked that I don't have either of 1880 01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,800 those restrictions. I just have to notify. 1881 01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,480 I don't have to ask for permission. 1882 01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:30,880 You're just telling them you're going somewhere. 1883 01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,200 I just have to say I'm leaving. On such and such a day, and I'm 1884 01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:38,800 going here and then because of my very unusual travel schedule, 1885 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,560 because I don't really know where I'm going next. 1886 01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,280 I mean, this is the nature of the work I do. 1887 01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:46,440 I don't know when I'm going to be in Dallas, DC, Raleigh or 1888 01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:49,200 elsewhere. I just have to say I'm leaving 1889 01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,320 then and I'm headed there and I'll, I'll text you my next 1890 01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:54,160 move. That's it. 1891 01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,160 I I Kyle, I I don't even have a a restriction on international 1892 01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,720 travel. I am actually allowed to travel 1893 01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:03,640 internationally. It tells you how how weak. 1894 01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,000 They know their case is to me. That's what it tells me because 1895 01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,680 I know I've seen guys I go in Troyer's case, and the fact that 1896 01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,600 he's still restricted from possessing A firearm, even 1897 01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,520 though he, you know, I don't, he didn't serve a felony charge, I 1898 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,240 don't think. So I think he pled to. 1899 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,440 Something lighter, but part of it was he he had agreed to give 1900 01:35:18,440 --> 01:35:19,680 up the gun rights. The other thing we've been 1901 01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,000 telling him, by the way, you could do this too. 1902 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,240 I've got a guy in the gun store down the street from me who's a 1903 01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,480 antique weapon specialist and basically anything over 100 1904 01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:29,880 years old including this bolt action rifle up get sitting back 1905 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,080 there. Those are not considered 1906 01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,440 firearms by the ATF. You can and there are some that 1907 01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:37,960 are even gnarlier that that are like World War 2 weapons and and 1908 01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,720 even before that that you can actually own without being 1909 01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,320 considered firearms. And that's the thing I would 1910 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,400 love to stab the in the in the heart of the beast, which is 1911 01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,600 What's the name of. The the the gun that Jefferson 1912 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,040 gave to Lewis and Clark, he had two of them. 1913 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,960 The IT was a basically an automatic weapon. 1914 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,680 It was an air fired automatic weapon like a stand or something 1915 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,200 like. It was like a Gatling. 1916 01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,760 Gun type weapon. Precursor to the Gatling gun? 1917 01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:06,760 Sure, but it was a machine gun. Chan and Thomas Jefferson had 1918 01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,160 two of them in his personal possession, and when he 1919 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,760 commissioned Lewis and Clark to make their trip out West, he he 1920 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,440 had loaned them one of his Yeah, there are air weapons. 1921 01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:17,920 That will kill from 100 yards or 200 yards out. 1922 01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,520 I mean, there's all kinds of wild stuff you can go do. 1923 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:20,920 I just told, I told on the same thing. 1924 01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,160 It's like go get yourself one of those those those cap and ball 1925 01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,520 revolvers. You know, you got six shots and 1926 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,160 it's shooting some gnarly heavy chunk of lead down range. 1927 01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,080 That's really funny. Like, they're not firearms. 1928 01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,680 You're not in violation of it. You look, laws have meanings. 1929 01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,720 Words have meanings. If you guys are going to be 1930 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,080 technical and stupid, then we'll just carry Not a firearm that 1931 01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,440 actually shoots a projectile. Yeah, using gunpowder. 1932 01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,480 Anyway, our SO our legal. Team and you know, I'm 1933 01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:44,960 announcing it's coming out. I'm not, I'm not afraid to talk 1934 01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,480 about this, but we're going to be challenging. 1935 01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:49,920 Actually actually every one of my pretrial restrictions, that 1936 01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,480 motion will be filed end of this week, 1st of next week. 1937 01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:55,920 And we're challenging them all because there's only two bases 1938 01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,200 upon which the government requires these restrictions. 1939 01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,680 The first one is, is that you are a risk, you're a danger to 1940 01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,200 the public and the second one is at your flight risk. 1941 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,440 I'm clearly neither. Neither. 1942 01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:12,720 So they're going to make the government explain why any of 1943 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,840 these restrictions apply to me whatsoever, and make them prove 1944 01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,520 that they do. Because they've already gone 1945 01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,520 without us even asking for it, and they've already not 1946 01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,120 restricted my travel to DC. They don't restrict my 1947 01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,880 international travel. They don't make me require or 1948 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,360 get permission to travel. And there's several other 1949 01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,480 anomalies like that in my particular case and to which, as 1950 01:37:37,480 --> 01:37:39,520 I said, my PSO was quite surprised by that. 1951 01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:44,880 And so we're going to challenge all of them and go prove it. 1952 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:47,640 Prove it. Why I need any of these 1953 01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,480 restrictions on me? Actually the answer is prove. 1954 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,560 Why the public needs those restrictions on you? 1955 01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,080 One of the biggest. One of the biggest ones that 1956 01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,800 they're going to be challenging is why do I have to notify my 1957 01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:03,080 PSO when I'm going to DC? Because most of my work in DC is 1958 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:09,040 taking place with other branches of government and that my notify 1959 01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:14,520 having to notify DOJ of me going when I'm going to speak to the 1960 01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,640 legislative branch is obviously a separation of powers issue it 1961 01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,320 seems very. Simple, doesn't it? 1962 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,360 Yeah, Yeah. There's, there's a couple 1963 01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,280 things, like I said that when when the government thinks, and 1964 01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,680 Bill Shipley has been very good about discussing this problem, 1965 01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,440 the government has no interest in the outcome of your case. 1966 01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:32,080 And yet it pretends like it does. 1967 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,480 The government is supposed to remain agnostic about the 1968 01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:36,840 administration of justice. We are supposed to have these 1969 01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,800 branches that come forward. The executive brings forward 1970 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,840 prosecution based on the work of the legislative. 1971 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,360 And the judicial branch is the part where it susses out whether 1972 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,480 you're in or out of bounds and and a win or a loss equals no 1973 01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:51,200 result for the government. They don't. 1974 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,640 They're not supposed to care. The problem is, is that that's 1975 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,560 what we've seen and I think January 6th has revealed in a 1976 01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,280 good way to conservatives who previously kind of believed 1977 01:38:58,280 --> 01:38:59,200 that. We kind of all thought, yeah, 1978 01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:00,960 the government doesn't have a vested interest in this. 1979 01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,720 Well, we know that they're weighing in on it in a hardcore 1980 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:05,640 way that they have their thumb on the scale, They have their 1981 01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,280 whole arm and their body leaning on the scale. 1982 01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,920 And I think your case is a great little microcosm for it. 1983 01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,400 But even the way you just said it, the government's only 1984 01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,400 interest is whether or not there's a public safety issue. 1985 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,520 So they have to prove not that the government is correct. 1986 01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,440 They have to prove that the public is in danger because of 1987 01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:23,400 Steve Baker and that you may flee the country of which you've 1988 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,320 shown no propensity to do. No, my, my. 1989 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,920 Passport is expired anyway, so yeah. 1990 01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:29,560 Oh, but you didn't surrender it, I heard. 1991 01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:31,440 I I. Didn't I? 1992 01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,320 Can't find it. Go figure. 1993 01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:34,960 You know what's funny? I have a passport hanging out 1994 01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,040 here that the government issued me and they never took it back. 1995 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,640 They never asked for it back. So it's expired. 1996 01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,920 It's just like an old state when you know, like things happen 1997 01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,160 when you have an old passport, they just sort of live in your 1998 01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,480 house somewhere in a drawer, you know, the, the. 1999 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,840 I I thought I knew exactly where it was. 2000 01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,640 But I've actually moved since COVID. 2001 01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,680 And when I went to pull it out of the drawer where I've kept it 2002 01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,120 for years and years and years and years, it wasn't there. 2003 01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,520 And I tore my place apart the last two days before because I 2004 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,120 had I had to actually go meet with my PSO on Monday. 2005 01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:04,520 That was my first time back in town. 2006 01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,400 I I I was back in in Raleigh for the first time in two months on 2007 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,400 this past Sunday, Easter Sunday. And so Monday I had my 9:00 2008 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,840 meeting with PSO yesterday. Yesterday they came by to visit 2009 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:20,800 my place and to you know examine that my guns have been moved and 2010 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,760 looking inside my gun safe. And you know, they saw. 2011 01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,400 A lot of boxes of ammunition that they had questions about 2012 01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,880 and they actually said, they said you're going to have to 2013 01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,800 you're going to have to move that I don't know. 2014 01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,040 You know they they were, they didn't know. 2015 01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,800 I said well the language of the restrictions just says the 2016 01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,640 weapons, it doesn't say the ammunition. 2017 01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,480 So they're OK we'll go back and talk to our supervisor about it. 2018 01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:45,040 And I haven't heard from them yet on that. 2019 01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:49,440 But, but yesterday, not only did they make their, their 2020 01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:53,600 appearance at my house armed and wearing their badges, two of 2021 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:57,240 them. But then after that, I had my 2022 01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,800 arraignment yesterday where I actually had to plea, you know, 2023 01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,120 to the charges against me in front of my judge, Judge 2024 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,880 Christopher Cooper. And so that was my first time to 2025 01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,000 meet him. And we did it by zoom. 2026 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,600 I didn't have to travel to DC for that. 2027 01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:16,040 So that happened yesterday. And you know, it was, it was 2028 01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:22,760 pretty uneventful. He did chastise me, kind of gave 2029 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:26,960 me a little bit of a lecture because what he had heard was 2030 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,000 that I was deliberately non compliant with a couple of my 2031 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,600 pretrial restrictions and of course that was not the case at 2032 01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,560 all at any time, ever. I mean as I said before I even 2033 01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,480 did myself surrender. I handed my carry weapon to my 2034 01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,400 attorney and and I haven't had it since. 2035 01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,520 And then I was in full compliance once I got home and I 2036 01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:50,760 met with my my PSO on Monday morning and then of course I had 2037 01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,680 was a complying with him the entire way I was sending him 2038 01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,600 texts. OK I'm I'm I'm headed to 2039 01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:59,040 Nashville next week. I'm leaving on Friday. 2040 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,080 I'll be in Nashville for a week. That's what I told him And then 2041 01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,280 I asked him to to give me a confirmation notice that he 2042 01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,400 received it which he did. Everything was fine. 2043 01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,880 But somehow somewhere in the translation I because at my PSO, 2044 01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,320 my North Carolina PSO was actually rigged likeable 2045 01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,960 friendly guy and I I was enjoying talking to him. 2046 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,800 He mainly because he was expressing just like utter you 2047 01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,760 know shock at how you know my case was so different from all 2048 01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,960 the other J6 cases. And. 2049 01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,840 And so one of the things that I expressed to him, not that I was 2050 01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:33,640 not going to comply, but that I that we were going to challenge 2051 01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,200 a couple of things, not that it wasn't going to comply. 2052 01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:41,200 So then he reported that to the DCPSO who then reported that to 2053 01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,080 DOJ who then said that to the judge. 2054 01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:48,320 And then the judge of course issued me a minute warning back 2055 01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,240 last Monday ordering me to be in compliance with the things that 2056 01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:53,840 I was not in compliance with. And I'm like. 2057 01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,960 It's a It's a stupid. Game of Telephone by By some of 2058 01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:02,840 the most mediocre people in the world, it turns out. 2059 01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:04,480 And that's exactly what happened. 2060 01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:08,960 And so he he gave me a 32nd lecture yesterday and I 2061 01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:12,800 literally I did this. Inside my mouth with my lips. 2062 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:17,160 A biting my tongue got to, and when he's finished with that, he 2063 01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:21,640 said it's not, he said it's not your decision whether to be in 2064 01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,840 compliance or to choose which one of these you're going to be 2065 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:25,840 in compliance with. You need to comply with all of 2066 01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,440 them. And I said. 2067 01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,640 Yes, Sir. Your honor, Roger that. 2068 01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:34,760 And that's. All, I said. 2069 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,160 Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to be. 2070 01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:41,200 In that that moment where you're now, you're accountable to rules 2071 01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,120 that the other team doesn't play by and can misrepresent you in 2072 01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,520 an obvious way. We should. 2073 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:47,840 I could have hit. The button. 2074 01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,120 Because on the zoom calls, I could have hit the button and I 2075 01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,960 could have asked for a a moment at a private moment with my 2076 01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:55,160 attorneys. Three of my attorneys were on 2077 01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,520 the zoom call with me yesterday. I could have asked for a moment 2078 01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:01,240 and I could have said to them, I want you to address the court 2079 01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,680 and tell him that I have been in clients the entire time and that 2080 01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:08,080 that was the fault of your system, not mine. 2081 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,280 Right. North Carolina PSO to the DCPSO 2082 01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,800 to the DOJ to you. I understand, Your Honor. 2083 01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,120 You only know what you know and what you've been told, right. 2084 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:17,360 What you were told was inaccurate. 2085 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,000 I could have done that, but I had the right to do that and let 2086 01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,160 and let my attorney say all of that for me. 2087 01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:24,840 But I just said yes, Sir. Your Honor. 2088 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,720 Yep. There's no upside to that one. 2089 01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:28,920 At least not right now. So this is this is yet another 2090 01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:30,840 reason why your case has gone The way that it's gone is that 2091 01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,600 you've picked your battles, you've taken the shots that need 2092 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,480 to be taken, and you've held your fire when you need to hold 2093 01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:36,560 your fire, which is part of the game. 2094 01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:38,640 This is a game. This is reading ahead on that 2095 01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,640 sheet of music. As you said earlier, it all for 2096 01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,080 some reason, it all kind of comes back to the way that we're 2097 01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,000 trained and our life circumstances. 2098 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,880 You know who knew that that that person would steal your trombone 2099 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,000 and turn you into a trumpet player? 2100 01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,360 That I got to go see Tyranny first hand, and now you get to 2101 01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,880 experience it here, but you know what it looks like, So that's 2102 01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:55,720 exactly right. It's it's a very strange. 2103 01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,160 Experience to be living with the rearview mirror seeing that 2104 01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,440 those curved lines, those crooked lines that we've been 2105 01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:04,640 living on all kind of make it straight in God's path. 2106 01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:09,120 And I I'm continually reminded by this and and this story is no 2107 01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,080 different than any of the others that are that we're all seeing 2108 01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,440 right now. How strange it is that we just 2109 01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,240 don't know until you look back and and in 10 years from now you 2110 01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,960 and I will look back at this and we'll go like, ah, that's why. 2111 01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,920 Yeah, I suspect. I suspect that's the. 2112 01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:23,400 Case. I really. 2113 01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,760 Do, and by the way, I did plead not guilty to all four charges 2114 01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,200 yesterday, 'cause we said, how do you? 2115 01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,120 Wish to plead Steve Baker. That was the name of today's 2116 01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,280 episode and you plead not guilty before I before. 2117 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,520 I left Dallas I I appeared on the The The Pat Gray and Lee 2118 01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:37,960 Show. It's a morning program that 2119 01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:43,360 precedes Glenn Beck on the Blaze TV and Blaze Radio Network And 2120 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,440 it's a fun show. It's, you know, they they do 2121 01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,640 real news but in a light hearted comedic fashion often. 2122 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,200 And so they asked me what's next? 2123 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,120 When's your next hearing? I said, well it's on April 3rd 2124 01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:55,800 date and I said that's my actual arraignment. 2125 01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,720 That's actually where I, you know, I plea out And so Pat 2126 01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:02,480 goes, So what have you decided what you're going to play? 2127 01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:06,720 And I said, Yeah, up yours. And of course, they all laughed. 2128 01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,400 Yes. And that. 2129 01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,400 That's why I say I'm, I'm not going to be restricted in my 2130 01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,480 speech. If I'm in a comedic, you know, a 2131 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:17,320 a a light hearted, humorous setting, I'm going to talk in 2132 01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:18,160 that manner. Yeah. 2133 01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,840 If I'm in a serious setting, I'm going to talk in that manner. 2134 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:27,760 And and then and the same thing with my my ex post last night I 2135 01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,000 published to the country for them to see. 2136 01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,760 I'm tired of you telling me that I got charged because I did not 2137 01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:36,760 have credentials. No. 2138 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,760 Every single person with credentials that went through a 2139 01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:45,320 broken window or a busted open door or cross that barricade 2140 01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,280 line. As a matter of fact, if you are 2141 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:52,680 a journalist, yes, exactly. If you are a journalist and you 2142 01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,760 went to journalism school, Journalism. 2143 01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,240 One O 1 is you can't cross into a restricted area without 2144 01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,200 express permission from law enforcement. 2145 01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:01,600 That's right. Cannot do it. 2146 01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,080 Period. And if you saw that sign into 2147 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:05,720 the priesthood? Of being a journalist that they 2148 01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:06,760 made-up. Yeah. 2149 01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,200 And if you're 1. Of those 15 journalists and 2150 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,040 photographers with wearing press badges, that was standing on the 2151 01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:18,200 line where it said closed area and you saw people push cops 2152 01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,080 over and run to the next restricted area. 2153 01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,240 You have more of an. Obligation before the law than 2154 01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:28,840 those of us who arrived after. Thousands preceded us and 2155 01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:32,680 hundreds went inside and there was no law enforcement even 2156 01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:34,200 visible. And when they were visible, they 2157 01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,720 were talking on their phones and they weren't offering any 2158 01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:39,040 resistance and they weren't telling us we couldn't enter. 2159 01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,240 You have more obligation at that moment. 2160 01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,600 If you're the 5th person through the broken window and you've got 2161 01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:49,360 a New York Times press badge on as that one, did you have more 2162 01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,040 obligation under the law than I did? 2163 01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:52,600 It's the same as seeing a law enforcement. 2164 01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,000 Officer who's off duty, Get into a shooting. 2165 01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,520 You have more training and experience and there's a 2166 01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,360 standard that you are expected to live by. 2167 01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,440 Even you know, if I get into a shooting, I have enough training 2168 01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,960 and experience that it's going to be more than an untrained 2169 01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:03,360 bystander. There's always going to be a 2170 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,120 higher scrutiny when you have more levels of training. 2171 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:07,160 So that journalism school should actually work against them? 2172 01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:09,360 In that case, Absolutely. To whom? 2173 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,280 Who much is given, much is required concept. 2174 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:13,720 All right, we're going to keep keeping. 2175 01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:15,560 Your story, let's make it a regular thing. 2176 01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,040 Let's just put on the schedule. You got the link. 2177 01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,040 Let's just put you on every every couple weeks. 2178 01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:20,840 You want to come chat with us? I think people love hearing it. 2179 01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:22,200 I love hearing. I just. 2180 01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:23,960 I'll just book time with you so I can chat with you. 2181 01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,520 Otherwise, we don't always have these sit downs and it's nice 2182 01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,240 seeing your face. Steve Baker. 2183 01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:29,480 Let me throw them back up on the screen, folks. 2184 01:48:29,480 --> 01:48:31,320 If you're not following my friend Steve, many of you are. 2185 01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:33,240 I can see that his numbers have climbed, which is awesome. 2186 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:39,360 Steve Baker, It's at TPC, the number four USA on X Twitter, on 2187 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,600 True Social and so on. Are you on Instagram too? 2188 01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:43,000 I'm not. I'm. 2189 01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,680 Not an I'm there, but I'm not an Instagram I but I haven't still. 2190 01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,360 I believe it or not Facebook hasn't shut down my accounts yet 2191 01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,200 because they typically do that to J6 defendants. 2192 01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,440 They So I'm still on Facebook. They know. 2193 01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:55,680 They know too. They all know. 2194 01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,240 They all know, man. All right, follow Steve. 2195 01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,920 Steve, I got something funny. This is why I think this. 2196 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,760 I feel like this is the kind of people that should probably be 2197 01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:08,560 cops with the US Capitol Police. This is the kind of training I 2198 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,760 think they have in firearms and less than lethal munitions. 2199 01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:12,400 So we'll just throw this on the screen because it's kind of fun. 2200 01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:25,240 You like it There ain't Steve, man. 2201 01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:26,640 Jesus. Yeah, he's. 2202 01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:31,360 He's definitely rabid. Yeah, he's definitely rabid. 2203 01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:49,440 God almighty, I killed Kyrie. And they didn't do all. 2204 01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,480 Wow. Two hands people. 2205 01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:58,720 When you take a shot this is what happens when you do the 2206 01:49:58,760 --> 01:49:59,480 the. I don't care. 2207 01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:01,320 I think I got this. that Lady did not have that. 2208 01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:03,000 Those were all bad shots. You can see they're all hitting 2209 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,120 the grass anyway. Pretty awesome. 2210 01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,160 You know the first the first time that I. 2211 01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,600 Actually ever killed a rabid dog? 2212 01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,080 I was 13 years old. I was already very experienced 2213 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:16,120 with firearms and it was just one shot in the right spot and 2214 01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,120 it was over with. Hey, Atticus Finch did it. 2215 01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:19,360 Right. They did it in Old Yeller. 2216 01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:20,560 They did. You could do it in real life. 2217 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,360 Steve Baker did it at 13. Cut folks, put two hands on the 2218 01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,000 gun and point at the target and then hit it instead of whatever 2219 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,200 the hell that was anyway, somebody goes, What do you think 2220 01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:29,320 about that? I was like, women shouldn't be 2221 01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:30,160 cops. That's the end of that. 2222 01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:32,160 But actually it's anybody who doesn't want to train in their 2223 01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:35,240 profession shouldn't do their profession and that includes 2224 01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:36,920 journalists. So we can make that broadly. 2225 01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:38,880 I got one little palette cleanser again. 2226 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,200 Follow Steve. Make sure you guys the his his 2227 01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:43,400 handle is in the show notes you guys can find it 1 little thing 2228 01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,360 for us to laugh about in In spite of the world being weird. 2229 01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,080 We all still have, you know, responsibilities and families 2230 01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:51,440 and people we love, and we should all still have a little 2231 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,720 sense of humor about how weird things can be. 2232 01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:55,640 I got some daughters, so this one rang with me. 2233 01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:56,680 This is my little palate cleanser. 2234 01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:59,160 And then I'll I'll say adieu, girls. 2235 01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:02,280 I need girls. I need you to get your shoes on 2236 01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:04,120 because I got to. Go fight. 2237 01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:06,000 Someone and they have two daughters and I need you to 2238 01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:10,640 fight the daughters. You ready to fight, Jingle Bell? 2239 01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:13,080 You don't want to fight. They're your size. 2240 01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:13,680 Can you fight? Them. 2241 01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:19,600 Yes. All right. 2242 01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:20,320 Let's go. Come on. 2243 01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:27,800 Jingle Bell. We we need to be. 2244 01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:29,600 Joyous fighters in the world. I love this. 2245 01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:31,840 Get this Dad. Dad screwing with daughters is 2246 01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:33,480 like the best. I've got two daughters exactly 2247 01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:35,960 that age and I one of them is smart enough to go like, well, 2248 01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:37,800 how big are they? And the other one be like, let's 2249 01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,880 bruise them. So I just thought that was 2250 01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,120 perfect. See. 2251 01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:42,480 My, my. Daughter is smart enough she 2252 01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:44,880 would go, I'll just hire somebody to do that. 2253 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:46,320 Well, they're, you know, when they get a little. 2254 01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:47,240 Older. They got their own money. 2255 01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:49,120 Right now my kids have to put their shoes on and go fight with 2256 01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:51,360 Dad, so I think it's fun. Anyway, we're going to fight for 2257 01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:54,680 our lives and it's not always physical, but man, it's good to 2258 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,040 be in it with a with a tribe of people with a brotherhood that 2259 01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:58,920 includes you, Steve. So thanks for joining me bud. 2260 01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,960 Thank you, Kyle I. Appreciate it so much, awesome 2261 01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:02,720 folks. 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Mike Liddell says some wild 2300 01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:30,960 things sometimes but he seems like a really good dude. 2301 01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,160 I've talked to him on a number of calls and right now you can 2302 01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,920 get deals on their slippers you can get deals on the towels. 2303 01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,560 I told you we're we're gonna probably replace all of ours 2304 01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,400 when we move. It's mypillow.com/kyle again. 2305 01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,840 mypillow.com/kyle. Save up to 50% with the promo 2306 01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,280 code. Kyle, check them out. 2307 01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:49,480 Let's do a five star review as we roll out of here. 2308 01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,280 And again, thanks so much for my buddy Steve. 2309 01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,720 This one is a long one folks, so I'm going to have to just read 2310 01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:57,120 it right off. This is from Thumper 92436. 2311 01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:58,400 I don't know what kind of name that is. 2312 01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,280 Maybe you didn't even know Thumper, but here it is. 2313 01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,360 There should be a Congressional Medal of Honor for civilians. 5 2314 01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,040 stars. Kyle deserves a Medal of Honor 2315 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,840 for his courage going unarmed into a fight with the most 2316 01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:09,680 dangerous and unprincipled elements of our government. 2317 01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:11,560 I'm going to include Steve Baker on that one as well. 2318 01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,760 While the bullets may not be flying in his direction, the 2319 01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,160 knives are certainly looking for his back. 2320 01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,440 Each of these podcasts are awesome in preparation and 2321 01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:20,080 content and presentation. He is a gift to the nation. 2322 01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,440 Every time I watch it, this is really long. 2323 01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:23,880 I'm going to keep going. Every time I watch a show, I'm 2324 01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:25,880 leaved and pressed with their vision and integrity, but 2325 01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,760 distressed by the blabbering Democrats and the lap dog press. 2326 01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:31,680 One of the strategies the far less is to simply overwhelm the 2327 01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:35,680 communications through vast and constant attack, advancing in to 2328 01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:37,960 any weakness and slowing any advance. 2329 01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:41,040 I do worry that one of their goals is to go conservatives 2330 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,480 into a Ruby Ridge. We keep calling it Steve Baker's 2331 01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,920 Ridge and Steve's Ridge. You guys should know that that's 2332 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:46,800 what we talked about on the side. 2333 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,960 The left needs to be reminded that it was Republican president 2334 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,120 who took the nation to war to end slavery, and another 2335 01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,600 Republican president who sent the National Guard to the South 2336 01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:57,520 to remove the axe handle armed Democrats who are preventing 2337 01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,080 black children from attending schools. 2338 01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:03,280 Today, no group suffers more than the open border or from the 2339 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,720 open border than black families who find that their first few 2340 01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:07,200 job opportunities for their children. 2341 01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:09,240 And they're losing it to the language. 2342 01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:10,760 As many job sites are in Spanish. 2343 01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:16,080 Their progress in school suffers from school challenges dealing 2344 01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:19,520 with non-english speaking immigrants who have very little 2345 01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,400 if any education, dumping 12 million illegals into the large 2346 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,520 cities. Man, this is a serious one there 2347 01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,280 and and the points are all really well made. 2348 01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:28,920 Thumper The governments been providing welfare to illegals 2349 01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:30,720 when they should be taking care of those that are on our books. 2350 01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:35,120 Man, 100% agree with all that. Come come chat with me offline. 2351 01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:37,200 Thumper, you can send me a DM. We could have a long chat about 2352 01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:38,440 all this. I really appreciate those kind 2353 01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,600 words. We appreciate all of you folks. 2354 01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,760 We love you. Make sure you've hit the like, 2355 01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:46,040 Share, subscribe and make sure you are supporting all of our 2356 01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:48,040 sponsors. Here you can find the website 2357 01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:53,640 its@rumble.com.imsorryrumble.com/kyle. Seraphin is where the main 2358 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,280 podcast is and links to all of the stuff are always in our show 2359 01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:00,520 notes. Follow the affiliates tomorrow. 2360 01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,080 Friendly Friday, we'll have another Steve, and we hope you 2361 01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,560 guys have a wonderful day. We love you and God bless. 2362 01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:08,280 See you soon. Thanks for listening to the Kyle 2363 01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:12,200 Serafin Show streamed live weekdays on rubble.com/kyle 2364 01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:14,520 Serafin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, Truth, 2365 01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,840 Social and Instagram at Kyle Serafin.