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It is September the 7th and today we have something that is
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We talked to the recently convicted and sentenced January
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You're going to want to stick around and listen to this.
This is kind of hard to hear, but I think it humanizes men who
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All right, without further ado, we're going to get into these
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So stay tuned for all five of them.
Hello, this is Kyle Serafin. This is Dominic, this.
Is Dominic. Now I can hear you buddy.
Yes, I certainly can there. There we go.
All right, we they give us they give us tablets to use the gel
and you call from inside your cell.
Sometimes it doesn't come through that well.
So I had to go use the hard line.
So I'm glad you can. Hear me now.
Yeah, I appreciate you calling. Listen, I I want to run in
through a couple of questions and and I'm I pulled up all you
guys BIOS and I think people will be familiar with your
stories, but not specifically. I think that's the real issue.
So I'd like to use this time to kind of humanize you.
And, you know, I've talked to people in correctional
facilities and they were usually bank robbers and people who had
done violent crimes against, you know, other human beings in the,
in the world. And, and, and you guys are a
totally different breed. In fact, even your, your
Wikipedia page starts off saying you're an American convicted
felon, which doesn't sound like the way that I would describe
you based on reading the rest of it.
So maybe tell people where you grew up, where you're from, kind
of a little bit about your story, if you would.
Yeah, well, I grew up. I grew up in up in up in upstate
New York, in a town called Rochester.
It's in between Syracuse and Buffalo.
You know, I went to a Catholic school, you know, had both, both
grew up, both both a mom and dad, a brother and a sister,
very good childhood. I joined the Marines out of high
school, served for six years. You know, got out of there,
started my business, started a family and you know, was pretty
much just a simple, hard working, law abiding citizen for
the 1st 43 years of my life until everything seemed to go
South on January 6th. Will you tell me?
Yeah, tell, Tell me what you think about this country growing
up, the way that you saw it, what the values were in this
country, maybe your vision of America until until maybe
January 2020. What did it look like he was
doing? Well, I, I just, I wrote a, a, a
letter that I sent into a gateway pundit and explained all
about where my, where my, my morals and, and just the way I
think came from. It came from my grandfather who
came to this country from Italy around 1960.
He came here and he was about 30 years old.
And, you know, he came here. He didn't know the language, but
he worked hard. And, you know, even, you know,
he was even subjected to the some, some discrimination that
the immigrants were, you know, put through back then.
But, you know, he always said he loved this country.
He's the greatest country on the planet.
He, he came here to give, to give the best future he could to
his to to his kids and his grandkids.
And he never, never once played America for anything.
And he just worked hard, took never took a handout.
And, you know, pass that along to me.
His values of hard work and, you know, love of country and, you
know, honor and face and just, you know, just the, the, the
type of values that came out of the greatest generation that you
just don't see any more. That's that's basically where
where my foundation was. You, you touched on something.
My wife is actually a New Yorker and, and she's Italian by by
blood and, and we kind of laugh in our house about how Italians
were not considered white, quote UN quote white until very
recently in American history. Sounds like your grandfather
kind of knew a little bit about that.
There's a lot of smears that have been made about what the
Proud Boys organization is and what people who are associated
with it are. Can you talk about whether
there's a racial tinge to any of it that you saw?
There's, there's not a, there's, there's nothing, there's not a
racial tinge to it at all. As a matter of fact, during our
trial, we had, we had several African American Proud Boys,
Latino Proud Boys and even Asian probably we even had a, a rabbi
who was a Proud Boy come and testify on our behalf.
So it's just, it's just more mainstream media nonsense.
It's just their way to demonize anyone who, you know, thinks
like we do with conservative values and who, who appreciate
the West, you know, our, our whole, you know, our whole, you
know, credo basically, if you, if, if you will, is the West is
the best. That's basically what we say.
And, and that's what we stand by that Western culture is the
best. It's the most, it's the, it's
the culture that has set the most people free.
It's, it's made the standard of living better for everyone.
It's it's, you know, everything that we enjoy today in the
modern technology has all been based off, you know, Western
values and, and, and that's what we promote.
So, you know, the whole idea that probably are racist and
this and that and the other thing that's just completely
made-up by the left, it's just the same tactic they use when
they smear anyone who's on our side.
That's all they have, just racism.
I, I listen to briefings about the Proud Boys and, and other
groups that were on the political right and also some
that were in the middle I think in 2017.
And I was shocked to how little the FBI knew about what it was
they were talking about the way that the quote UN quote,
counterterrorism squads were briefing.
Will you talk about your interactions a little bit with
the FBI, what that looked like, maybe the way you thought about
him growing up, and then what your experience was when you had
to deal with him after 2021? Well, it, it, it, you know, the,
the, the way the Proud Boys think, it never used to be
considered right wing. It used to be.
That's how an American thought, you know, you love this country,
you supported it and, and, you know, if you didn't like it, you
know, there's plenty of other communist countries you can go
live in. But, you know, I have no idea
how the FBI came by this. You know, when I was younger, I
used to go to, it was like a almost like an FBI
apprenticeship thing that we used to do after school at night
because I was actually interested in joining the DEA.
So, you know, I actually had an interest in, in joining federal
law enforcement. But I mean, from, from what I
remember back then to what our federal law enforcement has
become now as it's totally, it's totally night and day
difference. I mean, right now it's just a
politicized arm of the Democrat Party.
And there's and all they're doing is helping push the
narrative that that that side has set up and they're not
really doing anything else besides that at this point.
Did you see some of the civil unrest that happened in 2020
around the country? I did, I, I did.
And that's, that's a big reason why I ended up joining up with
the group was I just, I've seen, I've seen so many innocent
people being brutalized, you know, just just out, you know,
practicing their First Amendment right to, to protest and, and to
free speech. I saw Trump supporters just
being attacked by groups of Antifa and I saw nothing being
done about it. I saw cops standing by.
I saw them getting away with it, you know, had they had a
revolving door at the jail where they would be arrested and let
right back on the street again to to go out and commit more
crimes against innocent people. And I felt like someone need to
stand up. You know, I was early 40s.
I felt like, you know, I was still decent enough shape and
you know that, you know, I should I should go out there and
do what I could to help protect people.
And you know, that's, that's what a lot of the people who
joined post November election felt the same way.
You know, they were just like, no one's out here standing up
for our side. So we need someone to go out
there and stand up, you know, with the rest of us, with with
the Trump supporters, with the people on the right.
We're the people who loved America against these evil,
these evil people that are, they're on the left right now.
It does feel like the people on the left don't care about this
country and yet they're somehow fighting for quote, UN quote
democracy and a bunch of this other kind of things.
Maybe give us an insight. You said a lot of people joined
up after the November election in 2020.
What was the energy like? What were the discussions like?
And what was the idea behind being in being in DC in January?
Well, here's here's, here's a crazy thing, Kyle, I, I was only
with the club less than 30 days before this happened.
So, you know, my first, my first major, you know, I went to one
of the rally that was in DC in December.
But I mean, my first major national thing like this ended
up being January 6th, where we end up getting rounded up and,
and arrested and put it in here and now, you know, pretty much
looking at the rest of our lives in prison.
So, you know, but it was, it was the same feeling, you know, and
I think, I truly think that there's a battle between good
and evil in this country right now.
I really do. And the prosecutor used, used
that line because they had I, I wrote it in a journal and they
found it and they used it against me over and over again.
But I think this is a battle between good and evil.
But how can you think it's not? I mean, you have the left.
They want to brutalize the kids with, you know, transitioning
and, you know, you know, turning them into trainees or whatever,
whatever the term is Now you're using.
They want to destroy God. They want to they want to
destroy the families. So I really believe this is a
battle between good and evil. And I think people really are.
We're starting to understand that on the 6th.
That's why so many people rallied and came to DC.
And I think people see it even more now.
The problem is, I think people are afraid to actually try to
speak out about it now because of what they've been doing on
our side. I think the battle between good
and evil mentality will resonate very much with my audience.
I have the same feeling. We have the same discussions at
my house. How is it going?
How is the battle going from your perspective?
You know, from where we are, it looks like we're losing.
You know, they just gave me 10 years for, you know, OK, I broke
a window that day. It might not have been the
smartest thing ever day, but I got 10 years for it, OK.
And, and the judge said there was an active terrorism.
They basically gave all five of us a terrorism enhancement for
minor property damage, a few $100 worth of damage.
When you see what the left did with their 2 1/2 billion dollars
worth of damage destroying everything.
So yeah, it seems like a losing. But I, I think in the long run,
you, you have to step back and look at the bigger picture.
I think you know what Trump did when he came into office?
Was he, he, he put a crack in that wall of darkness and the
light was slowly starting to pour through.
And that crack is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
And I, I think there's way too many people that are awake now.
I think there's a momentum and I think there's a shift in this
country right now unlike anything that has ever been seen
in in human history. I, I really believe that we
might not be as vocal about it now, but I don't think we can go
through four years of seeing what we've seen and not just
have people completely starting to understand what we're really
up against right now. It's, it's a battle for our, for
our freedom. It's a battle for it's a battle
to, you know, not be enslaved. I, I, I just, I really do, I, I
think, I mean, even even by the fact that we've, we've got some
black lives member or black lives matters.
The leader was, has been in our sentencing, protesting with our
families for US against the injustice that's been going on,
you know, with us receiving all these high numbers.
So they, you know, they've been there or, you know, with the
sentencing for the Proud Boys over last week.
So I just, I just really think there's been a shift.
I don't think it's, it's going to be, they're going to be able
to stop it. I, I, I do believe Trump was
coming back one way or another. I mean, the only thing, the only
way they're going to be able to stop them is by putting them in
prison or, or killing them. And I think if that happens, I
think this country's going to explode.
So I, I don't think the other side is, is going to be in power
for too much longer, but I think they're going to do as much
damage as they possibly can before they go out.
They're going to. They're not going to go down.
Quietly just put it put it to you that way.
I, I heard you say that the sentence is 10 years.
I know the DOJ came in and asked for 20 and they got half what
they asked for, which is also still incredible.
I've seen people who produced child pornography and
distributed around the Internet get 12 years or less.
So that's the kind of sentencing that they gave you for breaking
a window on a couple hours of your life.
That doesn't stand for the rest of it.
What, what are your spirits like having got that information?
You, you sound far more hopeful than that I would maybe expect,
but you had some time to process it.
So it's kind of talk us through what that felt like.
I, I just, I don't honestly, I don't feel like it's real.
I don't feel like any of this is real.
It's just not going to happen. You know, we, we talked, we had
somebody talk to Trump last night at, at one of his rallies
or fundraiser he was doing and they went up to President Trump
and said, Hey, you know, we're outside a freedom quarter every
night. He's like, you have a message
for the guys that are inside the gulag.
He's like he, he said something like tell our heroes that he
give him this message to say that they're going, you get,
tell them they're going to be all right.
They should have never been, they should, this should have
never happened to them in the first place, but let them know
they're going to be all right. I, I, I truly believe that this
is, it's not going to stand. I, I just don't think, I don't
think the country is going to allow this to stand.
You don't take someone who broke a window or someone who put
their hand on a fence or someone like Enrique who wasn't even
there and give him 22 years. I mean, that's the rest of his
life there. You know, people understand a
sense of, of fairness and justice in this country.
And right now we don't have it. Everyone sees the two tier
justice system. It's, it's blatantly obvious
every day. I mean, we have a man in the
White House who's a total corrupt tyrant and, and they're
getting away with everything. Well, while we have people on
our side who are going to jail for, you know, protesting and
abortion clinics. So I I just don't think that
this reign of terror is sustainable in this country.
I, I think you're probably correct and I, and I don't know
where it goes, but it's got to go somewhere.
Obviously, this energy has to go somewhere on both sides.
How can people reach out and support you guys?
There's a lot of people that kind of know the stories by by
just touching it peripherally. What can they do to support you
that'll keep your spirits up? It'll help you guys get through
as you move towards maybe a Trump election and hopefully a
pardoning or something like that.
Well, people write to us, which is, which is always great.
You know, the letters are a great source of inspiration.
You know, I, I hate to say it, but you know, we now we have
appeals coming up, which are very expensive.
You know, we all have individual gifts and goes that, you know,
people could donate to, to help us with our appeals, to help our
family with finances. Because, you know, they're not
only trying to destroy us, they're trying to destroy our
families too. If you'd like to, you know, if
you'd like to donate to me personally, my, my, my gifts and
go is so giftsandgo.com back slash pizzola.
That's my personal one. If you'd like to help out with
any, any donations for, you know, appeals or, or helping our
families take it through it. I got, you know, two kids in
college, but you know, everyone just needs to stay strong and
just don't let them. Don't let them destroy us.
You know, the other day when I left, when I walked out of the
courtroom, you know, after I was sentence, I turned.
Around you have one minute remaining.
I turned around, looked at the prosecutors and told them Trump
won and everyone knows it. And, and I believe it and I know
that they, they know it. Everyone knows it.
So just don't let them destroy our spirit.
That's the biggest thing right now.
Everyone's just got to keep their spirits high and realize
that goodwill win that they, it's, they have it has to, it's
a we're on, we're on A1 trajectory right now.
Either we turn this ship around and things are going to be good
for everyone. We're crashing and burning and
the world's the world's going to be destroyed.
So that's where we are right now.
I think that I think that's a very sage thought and I
appreciate the other defiance there.
I think that's the the right spirit.
And I know we're all going to be praying for you both in my
audience, but also this country. It's, it's got to pray for
something to, to, to level out. And so I and I appreciate you
spending the time with us today. No problem, Kyle.
I I don't want to hang up on us because she this phone will hang
up on us, you know, pretty rudely if we don't, if we don't
say goodbye. So let me say goodbye to you
now. And, you know, thanks for
everything you're doing too. I appreciate it.
OK. You bet.
Thanks, Tom. Thanks for spending time with us
bud all. Right, Kyle, take care.
Bye. All right, see you OK.
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Hey, how's it going? This is Zach Real calling in.
Can you hear me all right? Yeah, Zach, I can hear you.
This is Kyle Serafin. Thanks for talking to us buddy.
Hey, no problem. Thanks for thanks for having me
on. Appreciate it.
I'm I'm more than happy to. What I want to do is I want to
give a little bit of a human touch.
Everybody can look your guys names up and find out.
And you got stories written about you by an unfriendly
media. I wanted you to be able to tell
people who you are, where you grew up, the America that you
grew up in and you know, all before all this stuff.
And we'll get into to your situation in just a moment too.
But maybe tell people where you grew up, how you grew up, the
families you you came from. Yeah, sure.
I, I grew up in Philadelphia, PA, pretty, pretty modest
living, actually. Kind of on the poor side really.
My father was a police officer, My mom was a, was a bartender.
My dad died at a young age when I was my 12 years old.
You passed away. So it was basically just my mom
raising me and me and my brother and you know, it, it was tough.
I had my first kid when I was 19, and I ultimately ended up
joining the Marine Corps. And when I was 23 years old, I
was honorably separated approximately 4 years later.
And I went to Temple University after that where I received 2°,
a bachelor's in marketing and a master's in entrepreneurship.
I then I worked at Merrill Lynch for a little while in New York
life where I acquired various, you know, financial licenses,
series 766, insurance licenses, things of that nature.
And I was actually in the process of opening up my own
financial company, finance company advising company right
before my. Arrest.
I hope I was. Part of the proud police.
I was the president of Philadelphia Chapter.
We, we, we're very diverse groups.
We have, we have men of all backgrounds.
And you know, we, we participated in some protests,
quite a few in 2020. You know, like, like many people
did, you know, there's a COVID lockdowns and everything.
And you know, they all pretty much culminated with January
6th. And you know, you know, this is
a very, very peaceful guy. I never got in trouble.
With the law before. I, you know, the most I mean, I
did. I had a see you I when I was
young, but I mean, that's, that's the extent of it.
Like I'm not a violent guy. I never got in trouble in any,
any protests I've ever been to before.
You know, the accusations against me are absolutely
appalling. And they don't, you know, they
don't, they don't justify my character whatsoever.
And, you know, and, and we proved that in court, but
unfortunately, you know, you can't get a fair, fair trial in
DC, not, not with the politically motivated jury that,
that, you know, we had. But that's, that's basically me
in a nutshell. You know, like I said, come from
modest backgrounds. And, you know, I'm a hardworking
American, you know, military vet, love my country.
And that's that's, that's pretty much it.
Yeah, you can't see, but I'm nodding along with you right now
as you're as you're, you're giving your background and I
appreciate all that. Can you talk about the
organization? And you probably have the the
upside of talking to someone who listened to Gavin McGinnis for a
long time and have heard him talk about the founding of the
Proud Boys and why they came up with it and the Aladdin song and
all the deal. I know, I know all the, you
know, the stuff about the background that people in the
FBI obviously did not. But maybe talk about joining
that organization and what led you to it and what you liked
about it. Yeah, so I was, I was doing, I
was doing events Prior to joining the, for joining the
Proud Boys for my own, for business purposes and whatnot.
And I ended up doing it. I was doing a couple of radio
shows to promote one of my events and one of the one of the
radio show hosts, you know, recommend I look into the Proud
Boys. I actually didn't even know who
they were at the time. It's about 2018, I want to say.
And I looked to know them and of course, you know, I googled the
name and seen all kinds of, you know, terrible things said about
them, But I have an open mind. You know, I, I, I know the media
is deceitful and I know it's no bias.
So, so I, I, I dug a little harder and I, I found their
website and I seen that, you know, they're all about free
speech and, you know, entrepreneurship and, you know,
just just typical American things, you know, like, you
know, gun rights, you know, all, you know, things like that.
So, you know, piqued my interest a little bit.
You know, I was, I'm a businessman.
I, I, I, I've owned multiple businesses in the past and I, I
figured, hey, you know, let me reach out, let me see what's up.
So I reach out and, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm expecting, I'm
expecting the worst. You know, I get to this meeting
though, and, and it's just a bunch of guys hanging around
drinking punk and politics, and most of them are military vets.
So immediately I fit in. I fit in well with them because,
you know, it's the one thing that, you know, military vets,
it's easy for us to just hit it off.
You know, I mean, we have similar backgrounds and whatnot.
It would be like 2 retired FBI agents meeting each other.
You know, you guys just hit it off right away.
They're a bunch of nerds, man. I'd rather hang out with vets.
I'd rather hang out with that crew.
That's that's my crew for sure. But yeah, so and, and, and I
ended up, I ended up liking it, you know, I had fun with these
guys. And, you know, like I said,
they, they weren't with the media made them out to be.
So, so I, I, I stuck around and, and, and, and I had a blast.
You know, I, I, you know, flew around the country in 2020 and
I've met a lot of these guys all, all in these other
chapters. And it was the same thing, you
know, every, every city I stopped at is these guys
welcomed me with open arms and showed me their city and, you
know, partied with me and everything.
And you know, it, it's, it's it's appalling the things that
are said about the Proud Boys. And you know why there's not
more lawsuits, you know, springing up, you know, about
libel and slander and everything.
But, you know, that's the topic for another day, I suppose.
But. Probably, yeah.
Fair enough. I mean, I remember listening to
Gavin McGinnis talk about it and saying he wanted something like
the Knights of Columbus, like the Elks Lodge, like people used
to join, like men used to go and just be around men and do men
things. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. You know, and it's a, it's a
fraternity at the end of the day, you know, and, you know,
in, in fraternity, in college fraternities, you know, like,
you know, the whole point is to socialize, to network, you know,
expand on ideas, politics, you know, all that.
And, and it's, it's, it's no different with the Proud Boys,
you know, So like the, the, when I hear this, this extremist
group talk and all this other stuff, I'm like, there's nothing
extreme about this group whatsoever.
Nothing, you know, and, and, and it, and it, and it, it hurts
hearing it because like, I'm part of this group and I, I, I,
I defend it, you know, and there's nothing, I, I feel
powerless, especially being in jail now.
That's it. Put up with this, you know, and
there's nothing I can do about it, but you know, I appreciate
you giving me the platform and being able to explain it a
little bit so that that does help.
No, it's my, it's my pleasure. And and I think that it's, it's
sorely missed that people don't go looking for that information.
It's not that hard to find. It turns out even the FBI
couldn't find it, even though I gave it to him.
I'm interested in in your view of America as you were growing
up, all the licenses you did serving our country, going out
and starting businesses. Those are those are very hopeful
activities. Can you talk about what you saw
America as and how that changed maybe up until maybe the end of
2020, and what that kind of felt like?
Well, I mean, America, America is still, it's still what it is.
You know, it's a landed opportunity.
I was, I was told at a young age that, you know, you can do
anything you want in this country.
You just have to put your time and effort into it.
And that's, that's what I did. You know, I, it was really hard
for me to get into the finance industry.
For one, I grew up poor. You know, it's a, it's an
industry where, but usually people with the background and
money or, you know, it's, it's their industry, you know, so
it's, it's hard to get your foot in the door some somebody like
me. So when I got my foot in the
door, it was, it was a big deal, you know, and it was a huge
accomplishment for me to be able to be able to do that.
But I put the time and effort into that.
You know, it took a lot of time getting to know people and
talking to people and networking and getting the education
required, you know, and it's not surprising that I did, you know,
So when I wanted, you know, I wanted to take it to the next
step and open up my own company, you know, it's, it's just, it's
a shining example of what you can do in this country.
And, you know, display despite all the divisions and all the
political nonsense going on in this country, you know, you
still, it's still the greatest country in the world.
You can still do these things, you know, and display when I'm
what, what, what my charges are, you know, and all this I, I'm,
I'm going to, I'm going to take this to the Supreme Court if I
have to, and overturn this. But when I get out of jail, I'm
still going to have an opportunity as long as I put the
effort into it. And I'm going to continue to put
the effort into it because I. Know hard work.
Pays off in the country. No matter how.
Tough things may be. I think the truth today.
I think people can really appreciate that message.
You're looking down the barrel. What was the end?
What was the sense they asked for and what did they end up
getting with you with the seditious conspiracy and all the
others? Well, it's it's, it's
interesting to say that. So in the federal system
typically they, they do this thing called a PSR pre
sentencing report. Now they, it's, it's basically
you meet with probation officers and they, they look at your
background and this and that and they recommend, they recommended
10 years based on the charges that we are convicted of for a
guideline. The federal government requested
30 years to life. So the judge ended up taking the
government's request as the sentencing guidelines and then
sentenced us to 15. Well, me anyway, 15 years less.
So I was sentenced to 15 years in jail, prison, whatever.
And I, I think it's, I think it's important to notice though,
that I was not convicted of any assaults at all.
I, the judge, the judge acknowledged, even though I was
convicted of the structure of property that I didn't actually
touch the fence that was broken and I didn't, but I was
convicted of it anyway. Much like you'll eventually hear
Mr. Terry, I was also convicted of breaking that fence when he
wasn't even in the city. But so it just shows you right
there like the type of jury we were going up against, you know
what I mean? They're convicting people
breaking things that didn't break things, you know, or.
Right. Well, I mean, my, my empathy, my
heart goes out to you guys. I, I have arrested people in
DCI, arrested a guy on Trump's inauguration in 2017 and he was
shining a laser pointer into a Park Police helicopter, which is
a felony. And he was released, didn't even
have it go on his record. He just had a rough night in
jail probably, and then went home.
That was the end of it. And he was facing at least five
years for that. And he'd probably done it 50
times during that day. And then to find out that you
guys are doing conspiracy of the mind and, you know, insurrection
by remote, apparently, as as the media puts it out there it it's
it's so absurd for me having been in that space to watch it.
But, you know, the unfairness of DC is famous, unfortunately.
I'm curious if you can talk about what you feel about the
justice system, if you grew up thinking something different, if
you thought that people got a fair shake or if you thought
that it was always skewed, Maybe kind of give us a take on what
it felt like going through this. Well, like I said, I, I have a
law enforcement family. I come from a law enforcement
family. So, you know, I, I have a good
sense of the justice system. I, like, I, I've tried to stay
out of trouble my whole life, but I, I do understand how it
works. I, I never thought that it would
be frankly this corrupt And, and I, I don't think it is
nationwide. I, I, I was initially granted
bail by a Magistrate Judge in Pennsylvania.
And I, I do recall the, the judge's body language and he
seemed like it was absurd that they wanted to deny me bail.
So the fact that they used the de Novo review to, you know,
take that power from the Magistrate Judge and bring it
into DC where I was ultimately like I was revoked.
I mean, it, it seems to be ADCDC problem and, and not not like a
nationwide justice system problem, but still nonetheless,
I mean, this is the Department of Justice and the Department of
Justice is at the end of the day is pulling the strings here,
whether it's DC or not. And it's, it's not a good look,
at least I, I do have faith in the justice system and the fact
that I'm going to win on appeal. I, I said from day one, I, I may
not win, win with this jury. I may not win on in trial, but I
know I'll win on appeal. Like we didn't do what we're
being accused of. And at trial there is, we were
basically convicted of, you know, people's feelings on the
election and, and politics and whatnot.
You know, if politics had nothing to do with our trial, we
probably would have been exonerated.
But politics had everything to do with our trial.
And that's why we were convicted.
And that's the problem. You know, it shouldn't be like
that ever in our justice system. But luckily, luckily, like I
said in the appeals court, I don't, I don't, I don't think I
have, I have that issue could be wrong.
But I, I, I hope, I hope you get a fair shake the appeals court.
Yeah, I know we're all praying and pulling for you guys on
that. Talk to me about you've gone
through basic training, you're looking at kind of a rough road
ahead at least a while. It goes through appeals and you
know, maybe the mindset that you're taking into what's in
front of you. You have one minute remaining
it. Goes.
Yeah, that's us. It's alright.
So. Just a mindset that's carrying
you through what you're looking at, you know, based on some of
the other difficult things you've done in your life, you.
Know I, I, I've, I've, we, we, we prepared for the worst.
I've always prepared for the worst in my life.
I've prepared my wife for the worst.
In this situation, we, we had a feeling that this is going to be
dragged out because of the politics.
Once we were denied, once I was denied bail, we knew something
was up, but we knew it was going to, we knew it was going to be
something dragged out. So we prepared for that and I'll
prepare for anything that's that's turned on us.
But anybody wants to, you know, follow through with our with,
you know, follow along with our our trial, like, you know, you
can follow me on Twitter defend Zack or true social defend Zack
as well. So.
We'll put those out there for sure.
I know we're going to get cut off real shortly.
I want to thank you for coming on here.
We're going to pump all your guys gifts and goes as well and
share them with everybody. And we do appreciate you taking
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I know we're going to get shot there.
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Y'all imagine trying to keep up
a family relationship doing that.
You know, Ryan, tough. Really tough.
I don't know how these brave men are doing it, Kyle.
I don't. I could not do it.
If I'm then I'm not.
I'm not going to lie. What's happening to these poor
men and women in this country and the fact that we have
politicians that are sitting in Washington right now, they're
going on vacation when they work for us, We the people and their
constituents are sitting in a prison cell rotting away right
now for crimes that they did not commit.
All right, you ready? Pulling up bigs here.
We go. This is Kyle.
Hello. Hello, this is Kyle Seraphin.
Is this Joe? Yeah, this is.
All right, Mr. Biggs, I, I really appreciate you calling
and, and chatting with us today. I want to kind of get into as
much as we can in the 15 minutes we have.
So I want to start with, I've read your profiles.
I think people have seen your face, that people have listened
to you on the radio, they've seen you around social media and
so on. But maybe tell people who you
are, where you grew up. I kind of like to give people
the human touch of, of where people come from.
It's not just a face that they see on the news.
Well, I was pretty much born in the Charlotte, NC area.
I grew up around the Carolinas and Florida.
My mother was a teacher, my father was a Marine, so we moved
a lot. I grew up a lot on college
campuses at Clemson University, University of South Carolina,
University of Florida, or State. So I've spent most of my
childhood on college campuses. And then I have that Marine
Corps aspect. And then I decided to myself
after 9911, joined the army to piss off my dad.
Yeah, I was going to say that must have hurt his feelings a
little bit. You went Army when you could
have had a much prettier uniform.
Yeah, but you know what? We get better toys so I was OK
with that. That's fair.
Tell me about your time in the army.
It was fun. You know, I, I got Fort Bragg.
I wanted Fort Bragg. I went there, deployed pretty
soon when I got to my unit, my first start and said, hey,
you've got some college, so that means you're smart.
I said, yeah, I guess so. And he sent me to EMT school.
I guess there was a shortage of, we got a shortage of medics at
the time when we first went into Iraq for me like around 2003,
2004. So they sent me to EMT school.
I went over there, did convoy security.
I was the the first guy. I was like the, the route Finder
for all the convoys going through Iraq and the first one
to get blown up. So basically we would drive
around, get blown up and I would patch myself and my guys up and
that was fun. And then I went to Afghanistan
where we did more of kind of boat patrols, mount patrols and
things like that through the coast province.
We had our own little AO around the terrace, IEDC and outside of
Salerno. And, you know, we did a lot of
stuff, you know, going out there trying to create show points for
the Taliban, for any of the insurgents coming in and out of
Pakistan on the border right there.
We're trying to slap stop a lot of the flow of the weapons and
munitions and things like that. So I, I spent a lot of time
doing that. I've been to a lot of funerals,
seen a lot of crazy stuff. And you know, when I, when I,
the military, I, I needed something to keep that
adrenaline going on. And I end up finding a job as a
reporter and I actually got kind of a gig doing St. stuff.
So I I. I covered lots of riots, a lot
of protests turned riots and terrorist attacks all over the
world. I was there just a couple of
like a day after the Bodakan theater attack.
I went there on the raids with the, the police in Saint
Anthony, France, when they were looking for the ISIS fighters.
I followed them all the way up in the Molenbeek, Belgium, and
found the places where the suspected ISIS fighters came
from. So I, I, I've been in it for a
while. I, I, I like doing that, but
never in a million years. But I think I find myself in
jail, being charged with something akin to terrorism for
the barely walking around that day of the castle.
Yeah, that's that's kind of what I want to touch on there.
You've seen combat, you've seen, you've seen what war looks like,
you've seen what riots and and real St. violence looks like.
Can you compare that experience based on, you know, many, many
hours in it and then maybe against what you saw for the
couple hours that went on on January 6th?
Well, January 6th was, it was, it was an interesting thing.
So you know, you had, you had multiple groups of people who
had permits all across the DC area, quite a few around the
capital area and you had them, the main one at the Ellipse
where the president was speaking.
We'd heard the president before. So we chose to go to some of the
other events and they had multiple permits set up around
that spot. So it it was a unique
environment that you had instead of being like one regular
protest when I was in Ferguson, MO, you had everybody congregate
in one area. Then one thing sparked that and
it picked up from, you know, that one area and the police and
the firefighters and everybody knew how to respond to that.
You know, that that act of violence that kind of sparked
the riot here. It was from all over the place.
You had people from coming from multiple different rallies from
multiple places. You didn't know who was in what
group and what their intentions were.
So it was really a recipe for disaster.
You know, when I was standing in the front up there, I was on the
bullhorn. I was doing my normal chance
that I always did. But about 25 yards in front of
me there was another guy that we call black megaphone guy.
We still don't know who he is. He was telling people now that
we've gone back and been able to seen footage.
Hey, you need to get them into the front lines.
Get up here to the fence. We need to push this fence down.
We need to charge for it. We need to go to the Capitol.
But I get blamed for that somehow.
And the footage shows this other man doing that.
You know what? What sparked what, what, what
happened was this one simple guy went up there, pushed, they had
the right people around them that that were there to to kick
it off. The crowd didn't know what was
going on. And as the as the fence went
forward, people just started flooding forward and it kind of
went out of control. You know, what I saw in Ferguson
was when they announced the no indictment on Officer Darren
Wilson, one person threw a bottle at the fire department
right over my head. I was actually with my camera
crew set up at the fire department.
Bottle went over my head, shatters.
And then everything from there went to chaos.
Browns are flying pepper balls, you know, you name it, M Raptor
in the street. And it went on for days.
This happened much the same, but they're trying to Contra up the
story and say that it was a lot more organized than what it was
when it wasn't. You know that there was nothing
organized about that, that that was another protest turned riot.
And it sucks it happened but happens all the time.
And I'm not sure why they're making.
Such a big deal out of out of it with.
Us and they don't with the other ones.
I think a lot of Americans are seeing that same thing, the
disproportionate response to what happened in Ferguson, what
happened in Baltimore, what happened in 2020 in a dozen
cities around the United States. And, and you've kind of just
touched on it. What were your feelings going in
after watching what happened throughout the the say March to
December of 2020? What were you feeling about this
country? I, I knew things were on edge
and I knew things were, you know, intense.
People were kind of at a point where, you know, even on regular
stations like NPR and things like that, people were talking
about civil war. That was a pretty common topic
amongst people. And when I was doing interviews,
let's say Dateline and things like that, I had a lot of
reporters coming to my house in that time frame interviewing me
and asking me what, you know, what do I think about a coming
civil war? This is something that everyone
was talking about at that time. But for some reason the
government wants to hit in on the fact that I've talked about
it before. I talked about it simply because
that's my job as a reporter and it was a main topic at that
time. People on on edge, people don't
trust the the voting system that we have in place.
People don't trust our elected officials.
They don't want to trust these people that are pointed over it.
And they smell corruption and there's fear in the air and
people don't know what to do. And I think that's a kind of a
powder check for, you know, what happened on January 6th.
Yeah, I think that that makes a lot of sense.
We we talked to Zachary about his hope for appeal.
What, what are your feelings about the justice system as it
stands right now and and how things are looking down the road
for you guys? Well, I mean, not only do I hope
that the, you know, this appeal system works, America should
hope that it works. Because if we can't get a good,
fair try in the appeal courts here, I think we're pretty much
tuned to the country. If they can come after me and
charge me with terrorism for shaking a fence, what else are
they going to go after people for next?
You know, this is only going to embolden the Department of
Justice, is only going to embolden those individuals who
got away with this. And we need to make sure that,
you know, as American citizens that we are voting when it's
time to vote, that we're paying attention to the people that we
vote. And we look at the ways that
those people have voted before in the past and make sure that
we put people in power that should be in power.
I think that's something that needs to be done.
Because if we don't get a good fair trial or we don't get a
good fair appeal in DC, you know, it's hard to say, You
know, then we're kind of dependent upon a, a Trump
presidency or someone else out there at dark Horse who might
come in down the road. And I just don't know.
I, I, I think they've already gotten away with so many things
on the left that right now it's too easy for them to get away
with it because no one's really done anything to stop them.
I agree with that as well. My, my, my audience kind of
hears me talk about the fact that there's a certain energy
that is on the left right now that is, that is very mobile.
They've done sort of, if you want to call it the political
dry run by going after a lot of people from January 6th in a way
that I, I did not see. I couldn't even imagine someone
telling me to go investigate A misdemeanor when I was working
there. I think I would have laughed it
off. I've turned down, you know,
felonies on a regular basis because we didn't have time or
resources. And then they went after Trump
in a way that was unprecedented, which you guys probably saw
from, you know, while under the, the shadow of indictment.
And now that you guys have been, you know, convicted and, and
you're dealing with a sentencing and you're seeing 4 indictments
hangover the former president. You know what, what are your
thoughts about the energy level that is going into this sort of
persecution? I'll call it.
Well, I can tell you the his Co defendants are probably going to
be scared right now, you know, because like I said, the the the
left, they have an energy right now that is probably a kendo
steamroller. You know, it's kind of hard to
stop one of those. And they've gotten away with so
much and they're going to continue to keep pushing and
keep pushing and and rolling over as many people as they can
until they feel like they're safe to continue leading the way
they want to. That's the sad thing.
I, I don't know, you know, it's hard to say right now.
I'm at a loss sometimes. You know what, when I saw what I
saw in the trial really blew my mind.
When the FBI agents were coming in, like, we got this guy.
We got this guy that's so big. We went to his house and they
lay down on the table the evidence and it was coins,
challenge coins and Proud Boys T-shirts and flags for my room
and things like that. Like, you know, we got this guy,
he's evil scum. And I'm like you, you've got
coins where we tell Dick jokes. You've got got T-shirts making
fun of each other. This is insane.
We're really wasting this kind of money on this.
And you know that they're they're they're taking things
that we said that are clearly jokes and they're trying to make
this some serious thing. We're we're a group of guys who
joke about everything. We literally during the trial,
we were pulling pranks on each other, me and Enrique, when
Enrique in between breaks in the trial, when we were downstairs
in the holding cell, I was toilet papering him like he was
a mummy. You know, we, we even in and all
of this, we're just a bunch of guys who like to joke, you know,
we were doing like 3 legged races with our legs cuffed
together, running and chasing each other around the courtroom.
You know, you've got to have fun and you've got to maintain some
kind of morale and all this. But you know, it's, it's bad out
there and they're crazy and they're coming after us and it
came for me and my buddies and I, I don't know, man.
I mean, what do you guys, what do, what do you think is
happening and what can be done? Well, we're we're going to keep
pushing awareness. I, I don't know, I, I feel like
it's going to, I think it's the things you highlighted are true
that there's a lot of ugliness and there's an awful lot of
anger that seems very impotent and, and mispointed.
And why would be at you is it's a proxy for something.
I just can't figure out what it is that they hate so much other
than they hate America. I'm curious now.
I've talked to, to Dominic, I've talked to Zachary, I'm talking
to you. You've all have gone through a
basic training. You've all kind of dealt with
the suck in the military. You talk about how that may give
you guys the ability to have that kind of gallows humor where
you can tie each other up like mummies and do 3 legged races.
Yeah, I guess, you know, I I don't know.
I mean, I, I grew up. My, my, my, my, my real brother.
But, you know, like my blood brother David, he was a Marine.
We always did that. You know, when, when you're
around a bunch of guys who've seen a lot of crazy stuff,
you've got to learn it's a joke in the bad times and the good
times, you got to learn to, to find that, that, that, that
glitter of hope and that ability to, to reach in and, and, and
get that little bit of fuel left in your body to push and keep
going. You know, I, I, I don't quit.
I don't have quit in me. God didn't build me for quit.
God built me to, to keep going and to keep fighting.
And I'm going to fight until the day that I die, you know, and,
and after that, I, I hope people still fight in our name.
And I hope people still continue to push for justice and push for
the right because you know what if, if, if you're in this to
quit, then you're in this for the wrong thing.
Because we're at a war right now.
And you know, a war for our freedom, a war for our rights, a
war for our country or for our culture, for what we are, you
know, our values for Christian values for the nuclear family.
If you're not willing to fight, they needed to move the hell
over and let people who are willing to fight get in there
and take control. You mentioned God, you mentioned
faith, you mentioned the war. That's a spiritual war.
I I think maybe tell us what are your prayers sound like when,
when you're when you're laying down and closing your eyes at
night? Well, I always ask God first to
give me a understanding before I read the Bible, you know, to,
you know, God, you know, kind of talk to me and tell me what it
is you want me to see here. And then with that, God give me
the understanding I need and the wisdom I need to implement what
it is you're trying to tell me. And I try to meditate on that
and sleep. You have one minute remaining.
Family and I pray for my enemies, I pray for the judges,
I pray for the court system. I pray for the the the AUSA
attorneys. I pray for everyone out there
that's doing the wrong thing that God will reach into them,
soften their hearts and help them see the truth and to do the
right thing and help us out. I can appreciate all that and I
think that's some some wise words.
We have the website scrolling underneath right now.
Free Joe Biggs with two GS dot com.
Is there a better website or is that the best one to for people
to kind of keep track of what you have?
To freegobigs.com. That's it.
That's the best way to go free. Go bigs.com and that's where you
can help take care of my little girl.
I lost my military retirement from all this, so she no longer
gets that money. And this also helps to pay my
lawyer to continue fighting through the appeals, you know,
in the circuit courts all the way up into the Supreme Court.
All right, we will promote that as well.
And Joe, thanks for for talking to us.
I don't want to get cut off on ceremoniously.
So I just want to say I really appreciate it and we're praying
for all you guys all. Right, thank you.
Free the Proud Boys. We'll see you guys.
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You want to see something that's else going to make you upset,
Kyle, or might as well go ahead. Go ahead and search on Google
free Joe Briggs. Tell me what you come up with.
Guess what I come up with? Google is purposely hiding his
content. You can't see it anywhere over
here. I'm searching free Joe Biggs,
which is website is www.freejoebiggs.
It should be the first web page that pops up here.
It should very least be on page one.
Yeah, not even nowhere to be find.
It's all just articles about it being sentenced.
What if we take the spaces out of it?
Nope. Nope, Nope.
Not at all. Did you?
Yeah, I've got Ethan coming in next.
Yes, there he is. This is Kyle.
Hello, this is a prepaid debit call.
From Ethan Nordine. This is Kyle.
Hey. Kyle, this is Ethan Nordine.
How you doing, Ethan? I'm watching our clock here.
I'm getting better at doing this thing.
So that's just a sad thing to have to be good at.
But I, I really appreciate you speaking with us today.
And I'm looking forward to, you know, a few minutes of talk and
your time. I've done the same thing with
the other guys. I want to humanize the story of
who it is. Everyone's seen like a picture
in the news or they've seen a a name in the headline like you to
kind of tell people who you are, where you grew up, what kind of
family you came from, you know, what part of America you saw
growing up and what that lens looks like.
Yeah, sure. Well, my full name's Ethan
Nordine. Some people actually know me as
Rufio Pan Man. That's my patriot name out there
on the West Coast. But I grew up in Washington
state near the Seattle area my whole life, you know, and
growing up, you know, I was raised by a great family, had a
great upbringing. I went to private school, you
know, I spent a lot of time in the woods, you know, I was the
rode horses. I was kind of a country boy, you
know, dirt bikes, all that, all that kind of stuff.
And so I kind of grew up in a, you know, conservative family,
you could say. And we've always had a pride for
hard work and, and, you know, just kind of living off the land
and, and I think that kind of, you know, sparked my pride in
this country. And, and I think the last 10
years or so growing up, I really started to see that the dynamic
of my state change. Washington, anybody who's from
that area has been there, as you know, knows what I'm talking
about, the dramatic change from like kind of this leftist
takeover and. Yeah.
Starting in 2017 is when I started getting active, the
Patriot movement. Just wanted to lend a hand, see
what I could do to help out with a lot of this destruction and
stuff that was happening in the cities, these rallies and stuff
like that. And so, you know, 2017 was
really when I started to kind of get involved obviously with the
Proud Boys. And you know, the rest is, I
mean, I don't know if you want to get into the rest now or do
you have any other? No, this is your story.
It's whatever you want to tell. And I'm I'm more than happy to
hear that part. Yeah, so 2017, it was actually
Mayday. And if anybody, if anybody,
knows what Mayday is, it's one of the biggest days of protests
in a lot of major cities. Certainly in Seattle.
Yes, certainly, yeah. And it was just projected that
there was going to be a lot of destruction.
And at the time, this was, you know, obviously President Trump
is already, you know, stepped into office and people had
really spiked up their, you know, activity and as far as
protests go, and there's just a lot of destruction, people
getting banned from colleges and and violence.
And so I. Just, you know, I, I.
Decided I had enough. I'd seen all the YouTube videos
everybody's seen. And I went out to Seattle with
the anticipation of just helping out local law enforcement, you
know, protecting local businesses.
And I ended up meeting a small group of Proud Boys.
And back then, Proud Boys was, I mean, just very unorganized.
Name five breakfast cereals, that kind of thing.
Yeah, just, I mean, it's just a bunch of, you know, blue collar
type dudes mostly just joking around, everybody making fun of
each other. But, you know, we were there
with the kind of, you know, kind of centered idea that this was
kind of messed up what was going on.
And, you know, from all different walks of life, we just
kind of came together in that moment.
And back then, it was really easy to kind of get into the
Proud Boys. There's like no betting or
anything like that. And so from 2017 to about 2018,
I became pretty prominent, A prominent leader in the in the
Proud Boys. Some people know that I had this
incident in Portland, OR and 2018 where a Antifa individual
attacked me with a collapsible ton and it was a video that went
viral. I knocked him out with one
punch, and it was the punch right around the world.
And my fame kind of exploded with overnight.
And it was also how everybody kind of from then on out kind of
labeled me as a violent extremist because I fought back.
And this is kind of a pivotal point for a lot of people that I
think can relate to my situation, that, you know, when
you fight back, you immediately become this violent perpetrator.
You know, you're not allowed to fight back.
And I think that. It's, I mean, it's interesting
you said. You saw it in my trial a little
bit that, you know, the government kind of accuses me of
recruiting. My recruiting ability in the
proud voice was because of my my ability to fight was what they
said. Yeah, they quoted you as a
thuggish level of violence, which I thought was really
interesting. Right.
Yeah. And you know what's funny is
I've never been. I have no record at all.
I mean, now I do. I guess I can say I have.
And it's, you know, you'd think like, if I was really out there
doing this stuff, you know, I'd have some kind of track record
violence as far as violence goes.
And it's just not there. It doesn't exist because, you
know, I've always, I've always prided myself on, you know,
trying to deescalate as much as I can and only using force if
absolutely necessary. And I mean, if you've ever been
to some of these events out in the West Coast, they get, I
mean. I I thought I was going to shoot
some people the last time I was in Portland, for what it's
worth, and I also thought the FBI would hang me out to dry.
Exactly, exactly. You know, and you get caught in,
you know, you're between a rock and a hard place when you're in
these situations where it's like, well, I absolutely see the
need for force here. And but I'm also scared as to
really repercussions because I know what the media is going to
say and I know there's probably going to be an investigation.
Then I, you know, now that we're especially after January 6th,
you just feel like your hands are tied.
And so I think really what's going on here is what we're
seeing is you see people like me, I've kind of been, you know,
a unique individual within the Proud Boys where I'm being, you
know, punished for basically standing up against what I
believe is wrong and, and actually using force against
people that, you know, are acting out violently.
And it's just, I think that's the government or whoever wants
to discourage that completely. I don't even know.
It's it's it's hard to say I. I think that's why I'm being
punished because you, you, you saw in court, there's this
really, no, they couldn't really pin me on anything.
You know, they just kept jumping around in circles talking about
how I'm a violent individual and how I, you know, I advocate for
force and I've only ever used force when it was, it was
necessary and it, and it's never, it's only been a handful
of times. So it was kind of comical to to
watch and dance around and try and, you know, pin this label on
me. I'm I'm looking, we've got your
gifts and go up and we're going to put that up.
I've got the stand in the gap dot foundation.
Is that another website that would also reach you?
Sorry. What was the last?
One maybe this is maybe the wrong one.
We've got support Ethan Nordine though as the gifts and goes.
That sound right? Yeah.
And, and I'm looking at the photo there and I'm looking at
the pictures we've got from the day of.
And it's like you would have fit in with my buddies who are, you
know, kind of mixed bag of military, law enforcement guys
who know that sometimes you need to throw a punch, guys who would
still go to church, but, you know, would stand up for their
kids or their family. So it's it's hard.
It sounds like they're making an example, the guilt by
association. And then they gave you what, 18
years for this? Like a judge came down and said
that was a reasonable sentence. Like what?
What was the feeling when that happened?
You know, it's, it's, it's very unique situation.
I think that if there's a burden that kind of comes off your
shoulders when you finally are rid of this whole procedural
process. And I've kind of had to look at
it the best way I know how. And I just feel like, you know,
I think it's the, it's better that they go as crazy as
possible and people like me because, well, like all, all the
proud boys here, because, you know, it's, it makes it look so
much crazier. And I think it gets people's
attention more just how crazy this is.
And I just, a part of me just doesn't believe it.
It's not real, you know, so it's hard for me to really have a
negative response to it. I'm, I'm, I'm obviously
frustrated that this is, you know, our court system doing
this to us, our justice system feels justified in giving the
steps down. And, you know, at the end of the
day is that this is something that we've all defended and a
lot of us would be willing to die for.
And, and it's kind of discouraging.
I mean, it's heartbreaking to see that it's so easy to hand
out sentences that you know, are destroying people's lives.
And and yeah, for my audience's benefit, I've seen people who
have knocked out and broken the face, like the oral sockets of
old women on an Indian Reservation and get less than
four years. I've seen people convicted of
distributing and creating child pornography get 10 years or
less, you know, 12 years, tops. And they're not going to serve
all that. And then you guys are getting
things like 18 year sentences and 15 and 22 years.
You know, what is, what is the process look like?
What, what is your, your, what's keeping you guys going as far as
energy? And everyone kind of has a
different motivator. What's what's giving you the
hope to to wake up every morning and put your feet down on the
floor? You know, there's, there's a lot
I I know. That there's still a lot of
that. People out there fighting for
us. And so obviously we want to, we
want to keep the energy alive there.
I, I really think that we're in the midst of, you know, a new
revolution of some kind. I'm not.
And but when I say that, I'm not advocating for violence or
anything for anybody who's listening.
So of course. I I just think that there is.
A. And isn't it sad that we have to
say that right now? Exactly, You know, everything
will be used against you. It can, but it definitely will.
So I think that, you know, people are are waking up, You
know, I've talked to a lot of people, even people who aren't
chase fixers who see what's going on.
And there just seems to be this kind of.
Like, you know, a lot of people when they talk about the Great
Awakening, it definitely seems like it's a legitimate
statement. People are seeing what's going
on. But if you don't even
necessarily need to see what's going on to just feel the kind
of general energy that's being exuded right now that it just
feels like something is, you know, just around the bend.
And I think it's just kind of a feeling of being ready and
constant state of readiness of whatever's happening and, and
being aware, getting out there and spreading the truth.
As much as possible. Preparing people, I think that's
kind of like just gearing up for whatever is coming, you know?
And being ready is what keeps me kind of going, you know?
That's fair. When you look at your crystal
ball and you guys have an awful lot of time to think, I imagine
right now, where do you see the, the, the forks in the road for
this country and, and especially from your unique position in it
and having seen what it's just done to you.
What do I anticipate the future to look like?
Maybe a couple options if you see a couple forks in the road
out there because I'm sure there's a couple of
possibilities in your mind. There's a couple possibilities
for sure. Well, one, I mean, Trump gets
elected and, you know, a ginormous celebration ensues,
you know. Obviously that's that's.
The number one desired outcome #2 he doesn't.
And I think this is where it kind of gets tricky because I'm
just hoping that not everybody's putting their eggs in that
basket, all their eggs in that basket.
You know, I think, like I said, we need to be in a state of
readiness for whatever happens, hope for the best and prepare
for the worst. You know, we need to get active.
We need to get involved, you know, sign up for some groups
that you support, write letters, make phone calls, get out there
in the streets and get active, you know, because there's,
there's a third option that's, you know, where people don't get
involved and people kind of put all their eggs in the in the
Trump basket and it doesn't work out.
And I think everything just becomes normalized.
What's happening and you're already starting to see it.
You know, you can pretty much point any direction.
You got the border, you got our, our, the schools that are
teaching our children all these things.
And you can kind of, you know, hear everybody say, oh, man,
that's crazy that that's happening in pretty much every
facet of our country. And it's, it's kind of sad
because it's becoming a normal conversation.
All it sucks that this is happening.
It sucks that it's happening to these, what's happening to these
J Sixers? And it sucks that, you know,
they got sentenced to 22 years, But what do we do?
And that's option #3 is I think, you know, our worst potential
outcome that people just kind of give up.
And I, I really don't feel like currently, I don't believe that
our spirit is, is currently in that position where we're ready
to just give up. So I'm hoping that people, you
know, are ready to fight for what they believe in again.
And it's, and it's not a in a sense of physical fighting, but
in a sense. Of in a metaphorical and
rhetorical way. Metaphorically speaking, right?
My my buddy got in trouble with this with the FBI too.
Exactly right. And so you got, you know, I
think people need to be inspired, people need to be
given permission, say, hey, you know what this is what you're
feeling is this it's correct, it's what's happening is wrong.
And So what are we going to do about that as a country?
And, and I think that comes down to a lot of people be willing to
step into leadership position to maybe, you know, felt like,
well, I don't know if I'm ready for that or I don't know if
that's my job. Like, look, you know, if you
feel like you are compelled to step into the shoes of, you
know, any situation, do it, You know, like we need leaders
really badly. Our kids need leaders more than
anything right now. If, if you, if you have a hard
time picking an area that you need to fight in, just think of
our kids. I mean, if we can't stand for
them, then I don't really think we can stand.
You have one minute remaining. All right.
And our last minute here is the lady has just told us, can you
tell people where they can support you the best ways that
you would appreciate support, whether it be letters or, or
financial or anything else. And we'll, we'll share all that
along. Yeah, honestly, the best thing
that we, the thing that we need the most right now is financial
support with the legal battles ahead in our family.
I mean, it's honestly, I wish there was more that we could do,
but. That's that's the biggest
resource. We need right now it's just
financial. And are your attorneys?
Are they publicly defenders? Are they people that are that
are like a Shipley or something like that that's involved in a
defense fund? My attorney is Nick Smith.
We're looking at some potentially get some other
appellate attorneys as well 'cause we're on the appeal,
appeal side now. But he's a phenomenal attorney
and between all of us, we have a really good power team as far as
legal defense goes. OK, well, we're going to share
all that. And rather than get
unceremoniously cut off, I want to thank you so much for
speaking to us today, Ethan. And and hang in there.
We're praying for you. Thank you, Kyle.
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This is Kyle. Hello, this is a prepaid debit
call from Henry. This is Kyle Serafin.
Is this Enrique? Kyle, can you hear me?
I can, yes. Can you hear me?
This is Enrique. Yeah, I.
Hear you fine. How's my audio coming?
In it's great. We've got it recorded and it's
coming in nicely and I want to I'm going to manage the time on
this if that's cool with you. I'm getting better at doing
this, which is sad to say, but let's I want to start.
I want to say that you're probably the most maligned
person. I think your case to me seems
like the most insane thing I've ever heard being convicted of a
a conspiracy without ever being part of a thing physically.
So maybe you would tell people the most important thing, which
is who you are as a person, where you grew up, you know,
the, the lens that you bring to, to life and, and, and the family
you came from. And if you would do that, that'd
be, I think, illuminating for folks.
OK, well some of your listeners may know my name, Enrique Tario.
I was born and raised out of Miami, FL from Cuban parents,
raised in a very, you know, anti authoritarian home, you know,
specifically anti communist home.
And you know, I, like I said, I was born and raised in Miami,
not AI think I went to a little bit of college.
I'm self educated and I'm very, very, you know, I've, I've been
a very active activist since 2004.
And you know, I just, I'm very passionate about, about what
what I do. What do you think about this
country growing up, especially with immigrant parents?
Like what? What did you see this country
as? And maybe tell me how that's
changed over the last 2-3 years? Well, I'm going to tell you my
views of the country have completely evolved over the
course of of these two years that I've been in jail.
But before that, you know, I felt like the country was going
in a very poor direction, very negative direction.
The polarization was seen. I mean, I saw the polarization
coming a mile away. And I'm a Trump supporter
simply. And I wanted, that's why I want,
I supported Trump because I saw him as something different that
would come in and change the status quo and drain the swamp.
And actually what we saw was, you know, how powerful the swamp
really was. And I'm sitting here as a
testament to that. And like you said, you know, I
get what a conspiracy is. I'm not, I'm not, I don't have
to be there in order to be charged with the conspiracy.
I get that whole notion. But the problem was that I was
against everything that, that, that they're accusing me of.
You know, I tried to make peace. I tried to, to, to work with law
enforcement before these rallies to keep people safe from people
that wanted to harm them, from supporters that were being
harmed by members of Antifa, things like that.
And I'm paying the price for that now.
I'm paying the price for that. Yeah.
Would it surprise you to learn that they were briefing about
Proud Boys and and sort of considering them a far right
organization in 2017 in Washington field by the by the
head of the domestic terrorism units there?
I mean, that absolutely does not surprise me whatsoever.
I've this politicization of, of like these, these federal
agencies has been around for a very long time.
And I think a lot of people are waking up to it now.
But it's, it's, it's, it's been around.
It's not, it's not, it didn't come around right after Biden
got elected. It's been there.
Biden has just done a better job at weaponizing him.
You know, and I've always had a huge respect for the law
enforcement community. But when you're talking about
the FBI, you know, they, they are, they are what they are.
They're they're a Gestapo force. Has your opinion on that changed
over your lifetime? Obviously recently, I think it
makes sense. Is there?
Was there something you saw growing up that was different?
I mean, I started seeing, I started seeing a little bit of
it before, but I wouldn't really, it wasn't, it wasn't my
cup of tea to to focus on that. But yeah, I did see, I did see a
little bit of change in that. And I thought, and I thought in
2017 with us specifically when it came to to federal agencies,
I mean, again, when when I would come into city and we'd get
threats from from other states, I'd reach out to the FBI and
make sure that, you know, all rally goers are safe.
But I did see that there was a hesitancy from them.
Yeah, I think it was an extreme lack of knowledge there.
Having received some of those briefings and being a guy who,
you know, watched Gavin McInnes and heard him tell the story of
the Proud Boys many times. It was really strange to listen
to somebody come up and give a brief and have literally no
concept of who they were and and no concept of what you guys were
about. And, you know, saying things
that made no sense to me. Maybe.
Yeah. You've been called a racist in
in the news media. You've been demonized in a way
that I think is pretty incredible.
Maybe talk about what that felt like and and as you first got it
and then maybe as your thin your skin thickened up.
So I mean, obviously calling me a white supremacist is probably
the stupidest practice I've ever heard in my life.
I'm a very brown individual. I speak better Spanish than I do
English. I have African roots and the
only thing is I've never taken anything that anybody tells me
to heart. I've been called every name in
the book and I don't take it to heart.
I actually take it. I take it in stride.
And I feel like the more they do it, the more effective I, I've
been throughout the years. And it but it does, it does have
a dampening effect on it because even people on our side that
don't know that hear these things, sometimes people don't
want to talk to us because of that.
And, you know, my mission was to make sure that like, spread the
message through as as many means as possible.
So, yeah, it does make it a little difficult, but I did take
it in stride. It didn't bother me
specifically. I mean, we've seen, we've seen,
we've seen them call everything that they've called us they've
done to just regular Trump supporters, white supremacist,
white nationalist Nazis. I mean, I could, we could.
You don't have enough time on this show for me to say all the
things that I've been called. No, I'm, I'm kind of a fan of
being called those things as well.
I feel like it means I'm just being an honest human.
Maybe talk a little bit about we had some kind of high hopes in
after 2022 with the election and, and, you know, taking the
speakership in the House. I haven't seen a lot of movement
by politicians. Have you had any reach out to
you or any support that you felt that is tangible from the
Republican Party? I have not gotten any, any
politicians have not reached out to us.
I've seen, I've heard that some of them are supporting us on
their social media, specifically with these sentences that were
handed down between last week and yesterday.
I, I appreciate that support, but we need more.
You know, in the next couple days, I will be speaking in
length about something that happened to me during my
incarceration. I'll probably be talking a
little bit more about it tomorrow.
I'm not sure what medium I'm going to be sharing that, but if
you want to have me back on and I'll talk about it.
But there is I, I am calling for the weaponization committee, the
Weaponization of Federal Government committee to shoot me
a subpoena because I had information that they, I think
that they would, they would, they would see, it's very, very
crucial to what that weaponization is.
I've seen it first hand. I can't really talk about what
it is on this show, but it is, it is something very explosive,
something that's going on right now with recent events.
And you know what, What bigger weaponization it is than me
being put in prison for 22 years of my life, 22 years of my life
for wrong think and speech. You know, I know I'm a rabble
rouser. I know that that's what I am.
I know that I speak truth to power and I speak it as
energetically as possible. But it costing me 22 years of my
life. It's not, It's not.
It cost me a day of my life is not is not feasible.
Then these politicians need to step up more.
But again, I asked the weaponization committee to shoot
me a subpoena. Then I got information that is
more explosive than anything that they've ever seen.
OK, fair enough. Yeah, for starters, you're
welcome back 100%. You tell me when.
And the other piece of it is, is that I keep noticing that these
politicians seem to act like there's J6 is a non winner for
them and therefore they've just they're hoping it'll go away.
You guys are obviously in a in a horrible position right now.
Maybe talk about your understanding of the 1st
amendment and and how something like this could happen in
America. I mean, like I told you, me
being locked away for two years has radically changed my
position on, you know, how our government works, what the
Constitution is and who the American people are.
I believe we're fighting for constitutional rights that
haven't existed in this country in a very long time.
I mean, I hate to say it, but I can't name 1 constitutional
protection. That is, it is protected.
You know, we, we're seeing these judges and I heard it, I've
heard it throughout these January 6 cases where judges
themselves are saying that the First Amendment is not absolute.
By God, if the First Amendment is an absolute in our
Constitution, I don't know what is.
The Second Amendment doesn't exist.
You know, I love our doc. I love that founding document.
But in this country and to this government, it means nothing.
It really does mean nothing to them.
But going through trial has completely disgusted me on how
this justice system works. There is no free speech defense
to, to, to, to this government and the prosecution.
People are being put in jail for simply protesting something.
I get it. I get it, and I've set it up a
million times. If you assaulted a police
officer, you should do some jail time.
Not as much as jail time as that they're given.
You should use some jail time. If you broke something, you
should be charged with destruction of property.
You got me. If you trespass, you should be
charged with trespassing. But if you spoke out against the
government, I definitely don't think that somebody should be
charged with sedition. I, I, I, I really believe that
that, you know, we're in, we're not at a crossroads, I'm sorry
to say. We're not at a crossroads.
We've been traveling down the long path for a very, very, very
long time. OK.
And if you speak out against it, here's another thing about
members of law enforcement and free speech.
I, like I said, I try to work with enforcement as soon as I go
ahead and, and I get to a city to make sure that everything's
peaceful. I tried to bring one of those
law enforcement officers into our trial as a witness.
And guess what happened to him, Kyle?
I don't know. They went to his house and they
told him that if he were to testify, that they would put him
in jail. And you know what he told me?
He's like, look, I can't do it. I can't risk my job.
I can't risk my family. You know what they did 10 days
after they convicted us? They arrested that gentleman.
He's a Lieutenant. Of the Force he's.
Been with Metropolitan Police Department for 22 years as a
Lieutenant in the force. OK, if you go against this
government, they are going to put you in jail.
I don't know how to fix it. I don't have a solution, but I
know that we're not doing enough.
I 100% agree. My podcast this morning was
called Post Constitutional America and for some reason
we've allowed it to get to this point and I think a lot of us
had our heads down. We're trying to do something
else and we looked up and suddenly a lot of this country
is gone as as far as what you're looking at, what, what are your
appeals look like? What is your your attorneys sort
of ambitions going forward? And obviously you have to push
this thing. But is there, you know, are you
feeling OK about how that might look?
Are you have any hope going forward?
I do have hope, I just don't know what that hope consists of.
We are going to appeal, but we're appealing to the same
justice system that put us in here in the 1st place.
I mean, I, I, I get it. I'm going to appeal.
It's a 5 1/2 month trial. So there's a lot to appeal.
A lot of things that happened that I feel that I didn't, I
didn't agree with the judge. I respect the judge's opinion on
a lot of things, but I just disagree with him wholeheartedly
on some of those things. And the government, you know,
the government has been disgusting through this whole
process. You know, the, the, the things
that they've done is, is, is is unheard of, you know, trying to
put people in jail for decades for this is, is gone.
My attorney is having a press conference tomorrow.
I don't know how to tell you guys how to get it out.
But Naive Hassan, he's having a press conference tomorrow as far
as my appeals go. And, you know, I'm just trying
to, I'm just trying to navigate, you know, and I'm not, I'm not a
type of person. I'm not going to ask for a
pardon if if President Trump comes back in, I'm not asking
him for a pardon. I'm asking him to take a look at
our case, take a look at our case and see if justice was
served. I guarantee you already know the
answer. Well, I think a lot of people
have that same sense and they're nauseated by it.
Like the producer and I were having the same conversation.
It's like, it's so disgusting. Like, where do you even begin?
How can people support what you guys are about?
And I know we're going to run up on the one minute warning here
in just a second. So like, what can people do to
from where they're at right now to help you out?
OK, so to help, I'm not asking for help for myself.
My family is the one that needs it.
The website is Tariel. Sam, you have one minute
remaining. Of course, of course it breaks
me off. It's Tario familyfunds.org.
That's TARRIO familyfund.org. If you guys can help us out, I
mean, you know, that'll go a long way.
I've never really asked for money.
This is my first time that my family is asked to help them out
because they're they're struggling right now.
And that's the most important thing to me.
Family, you know, I'm, I'm, that's, that's the order of
things. Patriotism and my country is not
on my top priority list anymore. I'm sorry to say that, but it's
my God, my family and my tribe, and my tribe is the American
people. Yeah, the ones that still care
about what used to be there, right.
I really appreciate you spending the time with us.
And and like I said, you're you're welcome to come back and
talk to us. Any message you want to share
here, you can always come back and talk.
And I praying for you guys and share all those websites.
I don't want to get cut off by the by the buzzer here.
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Appreciate you. Thank you.
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