1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,200 Take a look. Behind the curtain with a real 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,400 whistleblower, an American patriot prepared to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,680 uncomfortable truth. Because this program has no time 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,320 for comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiasts, Second Amendment defender and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:23,200 agent Kyle Seraphim. Hello, my friends, and welcome 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,440 to the Kyle Seraphin Show for Thursday. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,400 It is September the 7th and today we have something that is 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,840 kind of unusual and exceptional for us. 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,240 We talked to the recently convicted and sentenced January 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,200 6th defendants. We have five of them. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,120 You're going to want to stick around and listen to this. 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 This is kind of hard to hear, but I think it humanizes men who 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,280 are many, many of you have just seen as a headline. 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,640 Most of you did not have the bandwidth to follow the trials. 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,120 It's everything that's happened in their lives and it is the 17 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,120 only thing they focused on for the last couple years. 18 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,200 And for us, many of us are just touching on it peripherally. 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,320 So if you'll give them 15 minutes each, they are timed and 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,120 prison recorded phone calls. I think you're going to find 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,040 them fascinating and I think that you will walk away with 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,480 some value. 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And I didn't really know what I 71 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,400 was getting into. I knew this was going to be a 72 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,120 little heavy. So you'll see this is a little 73 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,080 bit of a, this is not a light hearted matter. 74 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,840 I think you guys will really get something out of it. 75 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,480 So stay tuned for all five of them. 76 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Hello, this is Kyle Serafin. This is Dominic, this. 77 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Is Dominic. Now I can hear you buddy. 78 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Yes, I certainly can there. There we go. 79 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,800 All right, we they give us they give us tablets to use the gel 80 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,160 and you call from inside your cell. 81 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,800 Sometimes it doesn't come through that well. 82 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,800 So I had to go use the hard line. 83 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,080 So I'm glad you can. Hear me now. 84 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Yeah, I appreciate you calling. Listen, I I want to run in 85 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,280 through a couple of questions and and I'm I pulled up all you 86 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,560 guys BIOS and I think people will be familiar with your 87 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,640 stories, but not specifically. I think that's the real issue. 88 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,160 So I'd like to use this time to kind of humanize you. 89 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,560 And, you know, I've talked to people in correctional 90 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,920 facilities and they were usually bank robbers and people who had 91 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,640 done violent crimes against, you know, other human beings in the, 92 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,040 in the world. And, and, and you guys are a 93 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,400 totally different breed. In fact, even your, your 94 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Wikipedia page starts off saying you're an American convicted 95 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,400 felon, which doesn't sound like the way that I would describe 96 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,520 you based on reading the rest of it. 97 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,160 So maybe tell people where you grew up, where you're from, kind 98 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,080 of a little bit about your story, if you would. 99 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Yeah, well, I grew up. I grew up in up in up in upstate 100 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 New York, in a town called Rochester. 101 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,760 It's in between Syracuse and Buffalo. 102 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,959 You know, I went to a Catholic school, you know, had both, both 103 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,520 grew up, both both a mom and dad, a brother and a sister, 104 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,520 very good childhood. I joined the Marines out of high 105 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,800 school, served for six years. You know, got out of there, 106 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,240 started my business, started a family and you know, was pretty 107 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,160 much just a simple, hard working, law abiding citizen for 108 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,320 the 1st 43 years of my life until everything seemed to go 109 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,040 South on January 6th. Will you tell me? 110 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,160 Yeah, tell, Tell me what you think about this country growing 111 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,360 up, the way that you saw it, what the values were in this 112 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,720 country, maybe your vision of America until until maybe 113 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,520 January 2020. What did it look like he was 114 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,880 doing? Well, I, I just, I wrote a, a, a 115 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,760 letter that I sent into a gateway pundit and explained all 116 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,800 about where my, where my, my morals and, and just the way I 117 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,120 think came from. It came from my grandfather who 118 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,360 came to this country from Italy around 1960. 119 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,280 He came here and he was about 30 years old. 120 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,640 And, you know, he came here. He didn't know the language, but 121 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,240 he worked hard. And, you know, even, you know, 122 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,800 he was even subjected to the some, some discrimination that 123 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,480 the immigrants were, you know, put through back then. 124 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,800 But, you know, he always said he loved this country. 125 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,200 He's the greatest country on the planet. 126 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,480 He, he came here to give, to give the best future he could to 127 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,440 his to to his kids and his grandkids. 128 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,080 And he never, never once played America for anything. 129 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,440 And he just worked hard, took never took a handout. 130 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,440 And, you know, pass that along to me. 131 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,720 His values of hard work and, you know, love of country and, you 132 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,000 know, honor and face and just, you know, just the, the, the 133 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,520 type of values that came out of the greatest generation that you 134 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,040 just don't see any more. That's that's basically where 135 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,760 where my foundation was. You, you touched on something. 136 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,120 My wife is actually a New Yorker and, and she's Italian by by 137 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,240 blood and, and we kind of laugh in our house about how Italians 138 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,880 were not considered white, quote UN quote white until very 139 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,240 recently in American history. Sounds like your grandfather 140 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,360 kind of knew a little bit about that. 141 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,560 There's a lot of smears that have been made about what the 142 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,600 Proud Boys organization is and what people who are associated 143 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,240 with it are. Can you talk about whether 144 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,080 there's a racial tinge to any of it that you saw? 145 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,360 There's, there's not a, there's, there's nothing, there's not a 146 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,600 racial tinge to it at all. As a matter of fact, during our 147 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,080 trial, we had, we had several African American Proud Boys, 148 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:39,960 Latino Proud Boys and even Asian probably we even had a, a rabbi 149 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,160 who was a Proud Boy come and testify on our behalf. 150 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,560 So it's just, it's just more mainstream media nonsense. 151 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,920 It's just their way to demonize anyone who, you know, thinks 152 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,880 like we do with conservative values and who, who appreciate 153 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,560 the West, you know, our, our whole, you know, our whole, you 154 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,960 know, credo basically, if you, if, if you will, is the West is 155 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:01,360 the best. That's basically what we say. 156 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,040 And, and that's what we stand by that Western culture is the 157 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,560 best. It's the most, it's the, it's 158 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 the culture that has set the most people free. 159 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,520 It's, it's made the standard of living better for everyone. 160 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,400 It's it's, you know, everything that we enjoy today in the 161 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,920 modern technology has all been based off, you know, Western 162 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,200 values and, and, and that's what we promote. 163 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,000 So, you know, the whole idea that probably are racist and 164 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,200 this and that and the other thing that's just completely 165 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,680 made-up by the left, it's just the same tactic they use when 166 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,360 they smear anyone who's on our side. 167 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,840 That's all they have, just racism. 168 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,240 I, I listen to briefings about the Proud Boys and, and other 169 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,480 groups that were on the political right and also some 170 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,920 that were in the middle I think in 2017. 171 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 And I was shocked to how little the FBI knew about what it was 172 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,120 they were talking about the way that the quote UN quote, 173 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,600 counterterrorism squads were briefing. 174 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Will you talk about your interactions a little bit with 175 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,840 the FBI, what that looked like, maybe the way you thought about 176 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,120 him growing up, and then what your experience was when you had 177 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,720 to deal with him after 2021? Well, it, it, it, you know, the, 178 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,280 the, the way the Proud Boys think, it never used to be 179 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,920 considered right wing. It used to be. 180 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,160 That's how an American thought, you know, you love this country, 181 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,480 you supported it and, and, you know, if you didn't like it, you 182 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,320 know, there's plenty of other communist countries you can go 183 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,240 live in. But, you know, I have no idea 184 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,560 how the FBI came by this. You know, when I was younger, I 185 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,440 used to go to, it was like a almost like an FBI 186 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,000 apprenticeship thing that we used to do after school at night 187 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,440 because I was actually interested in joining the DEA. 188 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 So, you know, I actually had an interest in, in joining federal 189 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,320 law enforcement. But I mean, from, from what I 190 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,039 remember back then to what our federal law enforcement has 191 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,159 become now as it's totally, it's totally night and day 192 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:38,720 difference. I mean, right now it's just a 193 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,240 politicized arm of the Democrat Party. 194 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,880 And there's and all they're doing is helping push the 195 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,320 narrative that that that side has set up and they're not 196 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,760 really doing anything else besides that at this point. 197 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Did you see some of the civil unrest that happened in 2020 198 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,600 around the country? I did, I, I did. 199 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,280 And that's, that's a big reason why I ended up joining up with 200 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,440 the group was I just, I've seen, I've seen so many innocent 201 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,600 people being brutalized, you know, just just out, you know, 202 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,640 practicing their First Amendment right to, to protest and, and to 203 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,360 free speech. I saw Trump supporters just 204 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,280 being attacked by groups of Antifa and I saw nothing being 205 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,800 done about it. I saw cops standing by. 206 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,800 I saw them getting away with it, you know, had they had a 207 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,360 revolving door at the jail where they would be arrested and let 208 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,800 right back on the street again to to go out and commit more 209 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,880 crimes against innocent people. And I felt like someone need to 210 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,640 stand up. You know, I was early 40s. 211 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,480 I felt like, you know, I was still decent enough shape and 212 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,160 you know that, you know, I should I should go out there and 213 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,760 do what I could to help protect people. 214 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,720 And you know, that's, that's what a lot of the people who 215 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:51,280 joined post November election felt the same way. 216 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,920 You know, they were just like, no one's out here standing up 217 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,840 for our side. So we need someone to go out 218 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,120 there and stand up, you know, with the rest of us, with with 219 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,800 the Trump supporters, with the people on the right. 220 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,880 We're the people who loved America against these evil, 221 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,960 these evil people that are, they're on the left right now. 222 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,440 It does feel like the people on the left don't care about this 223 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,680 country and yet they're somehow fighting for quote, UN quote 224 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:14,480 democracy and a bunch of this other kind of things. 225 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,200 Maybe give us an insight. You said a lot of people joined 226 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,520 up after the November election in 2020. 227 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,000 What was the energy like? What were the discussions like? 228 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And what was the idea behind being in being in DC in January? 229 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,320 Well, here's here's, here's a crazy thing, Kyle, I, I was only 230 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,720 with the club less than 30 days before this happened. 231 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,600 So, you know, my first, my first major, you know, I went to one 232 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,040 of the rally that was in DC in December. 233 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,280 But I mean, my first major national thing like this ended 234 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,480 up being January 6th, where we end up getting rounded up and, 235 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,680 and arrested and put it in here and now, you know, pretty much 236 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,080 looking at the rest of our lives in prison. 237 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:00,000 So, you know, but it was, it was the same feeling, you know, and 238 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,560 I think, I truly think that there's a battle between good 239 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:03,720 and evil in this country right now. 240 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,960 I really do. And the prosecutor used, used 241 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,760 that line because they had I, I wrote it in a journal and they 242 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,640 found it and they used it against me over and over again. 243 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,760 But I think this is a battle between good and evil. 244 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,040 But how can you think it's not? I mean, you have the left. 245 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,360 They want to brutalize the kids with, you know, transitioning 246 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,240 and, you know, you know, turning them into trainees or whatever, 247 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,960 whatever the term is Now you're using. 248 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,120 They want to destroy God. They want to they want to 249 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,400 destroy the families. So I really believe this is a 250 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,600 battle between good and evil. And I think people really are. 251 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,600 We're starting to understand that on the 6th. 252 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,040 That's why so many people rallied and came to DC. 253 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,800 And I think people see it even more now. 254 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,880 The problem is, I think people are afraid to actually try to 255 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,760 speak out about it now because of what they've been doing on 256 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,680 our side. I think the battle between good 257 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,600 and evil mentality will resonate very much with my audience. 258 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,360 I have the same feeling. We have the same discussions at 259 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,280 my house. How is it going? 260 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,280 How is the battle going from your perspective? 261 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,040 You know, from where we are, it looks like we're losing. 262 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,280 You know, they just gave me 10 years for, you know, OK, I broke 263 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,520 a window that day. It might not have been the 264 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,800 smartest thing ever day, but I got 10 years for it, OK. 265 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,120 And, and the judge said there was an active terrorism. 266 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,720 They basically gave all five of us a terrorism enhancement for 267 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,080 minor property damage, a few $100 worth of damage. 268 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,160 When you see what the left did with their 2 1/2 billion dollars 269 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,120 worth of damage destroying everything. 270 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,000 So yeah, it seems like a losing. But I, I think in the long run, 271 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,160 you, you have to step back and look at the bigger picture. 272 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,120 I think you know what Trump did when he came into office? 273 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Was he, he, he put a crack in that wall of darkness and the 274 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,720 light was slowly starting to pour through. 275 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,160 And that crack is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 276 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,760 And I, I think there's way too many people that are awake now. 277 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,880 I think there's a momentum and I think there's a shift in this 278 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,240 country right now unlike anything that has ever been seen 279 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,880 in in human history. I, I really believe that we 280 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,480 might not be as vocal about it now, but I don't think we can go 281 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,440 through four years of seeing what we've seen and not just 282 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,040 have people completely starting to understand what we're really 283 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,600 up against right now. It's, it's a battle for our, for 284 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,880 our freedom. It's a battle for it's a battle 285 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:18,160 to, you know, not be enslaved. I, I, I just, I really do, I, I 286 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,160 think, I mean, even even by the fact that we've, we've got some 287 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,320 black lives member or black lives matters. 288 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,560 The leader was, has been in our sentencing, protesting with our 289 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,280 families for US against the injustice that's been going on, 290 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,640 you know, with us receiving all these high numbers. 291 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,520 So they, you know, they've been there or, you know, with the 292 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,400 sentencing for the Proud Boys over last week. 293 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,880 So I just, I just really think there's been a shift. 294 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,080 I don't think it's, it's going to be, they're going to be able 295 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,040 to stop it. I, I, I do believe Trump was 296 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,960 coming back one way or another. I mean, the only thing, the only 297 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,640 way they're going to be able to stop them is by putting them in 298 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,440 prison or, or killing them. And I think if that happens, I 299 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,720 think this country's going to explode. 300 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,400 So I, I don't think the other side is, is going to be in power 301 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,320 for too much longer, but I think they're going to do as much 302 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,240 damage as they possibly can before they go out. 303 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,520 They're going to. They're not going to go down. 304 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,480 Quietly just put it put it to you that way. 305 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,320 I, I heard you say that the sentence is 10 years. 306 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,800 I know the DOJ came in and asked for 20 and they got half what 307 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,920 they asked for, which is also still incredible. 308 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,440 I've seen people who produced child pornography and 309 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,800 distributed around the Internet get 12 years or less. 310 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,000 So that's the kind of sentencing that they gave you for breaking 311 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,680 a window on a couple hours of your life. 312 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,000 That doesn't stand for the rest of it. 313 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,480 What, what are your spirits like having got that information? 314 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,880 You, you sound far more hopeful than that I would maybe expect, 315 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,480 but you had some time to process it. 316 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,920 So it's kind of talk us through what that felt like. 317 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,400 I, I just, I don't honestly, I don't feel like it's real. 318 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,640 I don't feel like any of this is real. 319 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,600 It's just not going to happen. You know, we, we talked, we had 320 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,480 somebody talk to Trump last night at, at one of his rallies 321 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,040 or fundraiser he was doing and they went up to President Trump 322 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,960 and said, Hey, you know, we're outside a freedom quarter every 323 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,120 night. He's like, you have a message 324 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,360 for the guys that are inside the gulag. 325 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,440 He's like he, he said something like tell our heroes that he 326 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,920 give him this message to say that they're going, you get, 327 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,240 tell them they're going to be all right. 328 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,360 They should have never been, they should, this should have 329 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,320 never happened to them in the first place, but let them know 330 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,280 they're going to be all right. I, I, I truly believe that this 331 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,760 is, it's not going to stand. I, I just don't think, I don't 332 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,080 think the country is going to allow this to stand. 333 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,120 You don't take someone who broke a window or someone who put 334 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,040 their hand on a fence or someone like Enrique who wasn't even 335 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,240 there and give him 22 years. I mean, that's the rest of his 336 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,480 life there. You know, people understand a 337 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,760 sense of, of fairness and justice in this country. 338 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,240 And right now we don't have it. Everyone sees the two tier 339 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,600 justice system. It's, it's blatantly obvious 340 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,720 every day. I mean, we have a man in the 341 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,400 White House who's a total corrupt tyrant and, and they're 342 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 getting away with everything. Well, while we have people on 343 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,200 our side who are going to jail for, you know, protesting and 344 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,840 abortion clinics. So I I just don't think that 345 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,200 this reign of terror is sustainable in this country. 346 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,120 I, I think you're probably correct and I, and I don't know 347 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,760 where it goes, but it's got to go somewhere. 348 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,160 Obviously, this energy has to go somewhere on both sides. 349 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,760 How can people reach out and support you guys? 350 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,480 There's a lot of people that kind of know the stories by by 351 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,520 just touching it peripherally. What can they do to support you 352 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,720 that'll keep your spirits up? It'll help you guys get through 353 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,040 as you move towards maybe a Trump election and hopefully a 354 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,040 pardoning or something like that. 355 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,320 Well, people write to us, which is, which is always great. 356 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,040 You know, the letters are a great source of inspiration. 357 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,360 You know, I, I hate to say it, but you know, we now we have 358 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,600 appeals coming up, which are very expensive. 359 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,320 You know, we all have individual gifts and goes that, you know, 360 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,960 people could donate to, to help us with our appeals, to help our 361 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,000 family with finances. Because, you know, they're not 362 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,320 only trying to destroy us, they're trying to destroy our 363 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,280 families too. If you'd like to, you know, if 364 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,840 you'd like to donate to me personally, my, my, my gifts and 365 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,000 go is so giftsandgo.com back slash pizzola. 366 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,960 That's my personal one. If you'd like to help out with 367 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,800 any, any donations for, you know, appeals or, or helping our 368 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,960 families take it through it. I got, you know, two kids in 369 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,000 college, but you know, everyone just needs to stay strong and 370 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,960 just don't let them. Don't let them destroy us. 371 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,520 You know, the other day when I left, when I walked out of the 372 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,280 courtroom, you know, after I was sentence, I turned. 373 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,880 Around you have one minute remaining. 374 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,240 I turned around, looked at the prosecutors and told them Trump 375 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,599 won and everyone knows it. And, and I believe it and I know 376 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:18,359 that they, they know it. Everyone knows it. 377 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,760 So just don't let them destroy our spirit. 378 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,839 That's the biggest thing right now. 379 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,560 Everyone's just got to keep their spirits high and realize 380 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,920 that goodwill win that they, it's, they have it has to, it's 381 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,560 a we're on, we're on A1 trajectory right now. 382 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,520 Either we turn this ship around and things are going to be good 383 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,640 for everyone. We're crashing and burning and 384 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,360 the world's the world's going to be destroyed. 385 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,240 So that's where we are right now. 386 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,560 I think that I think that's a very sage thought and I 387 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,000 appreciate the other defiance there. 388 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,560 I think that's the the right spirit. 389 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,720 And I know we're all going to be praying for you both in my 390 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,840 audience, but also this country. It's, it's got to pray for 391 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,080 something to, to, to level out. And so I and I appreciate you 392 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,760 spending the time with us today. No problem, Kyle. 393 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,120 I I don't want to hang up on us because she this phone will hang 394 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,760 up on us, you know, pretty rudely if we don't, if we don't 395 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,040 say goodbye. So let me say goodbye to you 396 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,640 now. And, you know, thanks for 397 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,960 everything you're doing too. I appreciate it. 398 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,720 OK. You bet. 399 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,080 Thanks, Tom. Thanks for spending time with us 400 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,760 bud all. Right, Kyle, take care. 401 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,840 Bye. All right, see you OK. 402 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:19,160 This is Kyle. Hello this is a prepaid debit 403 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,360 call from Thank you for using global Tel link. 404 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,400 Hey, how's it going? This is Zach Real calling in. 405 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,400 Can you hear me all right? Yeah, Zach, I can hear you. 406 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,240 This is Kyle Serafin. Thanks for talking to us buddy. 407 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Hey, no problem. Thanks for thanks for having me 408 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:34,680 on. Appreciate it. 409 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,120 I'm I'm more than happy to. What I want to do is I want to 410 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,520 give a little bit of a human touch. 411 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,720 Everybody can look your guys names up and find out. 412 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,000 And you got stories written about you by an unfriendly 413 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,560 media. I wanted you to be able to tell 414 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,080 people who you are, where you grew up, the America that you 415 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,160 grew up in and you know, all before all this stuff. 416 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,560 And we'll get into to your situation in just a moment too. 417 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,200 But maybe tell people where you grew up, how you grew up, the 418 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,760 families you you came from. Yeah, sure. 419 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:04,040 I, I grew up in Philadelphia, PA, pretty, pretty modest 420 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,600 living, actually. Kind of on the poor side really. 421 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,440 My father was a police officer, My mom was a, was a bartender. 422 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,400 My dad died at a young age when I was my 12 years old. 423 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,880 You passed away. So it was basically just my mom 424 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,040 raising me and me and my brother and you know, it, it was tough. 425 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,480 I had my first kid when I was 19, and I ultimately ended up 426 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,720 joining the Marine Corps. And when I was 23 years old, I 427 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,840 was honorably separated approximately 4 years later. 428 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,520 And I went to Temple University after that where I received 2°, 429 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,120 a bachelor's in marketing and a master's in entrepreneurship. 430 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,080 I then I worked at Merrill Lynch for a little while in New York 431 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,960 life where I acquired various, you know, financial licenses, 432 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,720 series 766, insurance licenses, things of that nature. 433 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,120 And I was actually in the process of opening up my own 434 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:07,760 financial company, finance company advising company right 435 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,640 before my. Arrest. 436 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:11,880 I hope I was. Part of the proud police. 437 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,800 I was the president of Philadelphia Chapter. 438 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,320 We, we, we're very diverse groups. 439 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,720 We have, we have men of all backgrounds. 440 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,160 And you know, we, we participated in some protests, 441 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,880 quite a few in 2020. You know, like, like many people 442 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,560 did, you know, there's a COVID lockdowns and everything. 443 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,160 And you know, they all pretty much culminated with January 444 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,440 6th. And you know, you know, this is 445 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,360 a very, very peaceful guy. I never got in trouble. 446 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:43,280 With the law before. I, you know, the most I mean, I 447 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,480 did. I had a see you I when I was 448 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,080 young, but I mean, that's, that's the extent of it. 449 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,880 Like I'm not a violent guy. I never got in trouble in any, 450 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,920 any protests I've ever been to before. 451 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,120 You know, the accusations against me are absolutely 452 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,200 appalling. And they don't, you know, they 453 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,000 don't, they don't justify my character whatsoever. 454 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,560 And, you know, and, and we proved that in court, but 455 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,520 unfortunately, you know, you can't get a fair, fair trial in 456 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,480 DC, not, not with the politically motivated jury that, 457 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,040 that, you know, we had. But that's, that's basically me 458 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,200 in a nutshell. You know, like I said, come from 459 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,400 modest backgrounds. And, you know, I'm a hardworking 460 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,240 American, you know, military vet, love my country. 461 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,760 And that's that's, that's pretty much it. 462 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,120 Yeah, you can't see, but I'm nodding along with you right now 463 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,840 as you're as you're, you're giving your background and I 464 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,280 appreciate all that. Can you talk about the 465 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,040 organization? And you probably have the the 466 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,160 upside of talking to someone who listened to Gavin McGinnis for a 467 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,400 long time and have heard him talk about the founding of the 468 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,680 Proud Boys and why they came up with it and the Aladdin song and 469 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,160 all the deal. I know, I know all the, you 470 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,080 know, the stuff about the background that people in the 471 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,120 FBI obviously did not. But maybe talk about joining 472 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,440 that organization and what led you to it and what you liked 473 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,240 about it. Yeah, so I was, I was doing, I 474 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,200 was doing events Prior to joining the, for joining the 475 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,120 Proud Boys for my own, for business purposes and whatnot. 476 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,680 And I ended up doing it. I was doing a couple of radio 477 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,960 shows to promote one of my events and one of the one of the 478 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,600 radio show hosts, you know, recommend I look into the Proud 479 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,240 Boys. I actually didn't even know who 480 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,080 they were at the time. It's about 2018, I want to say. 481 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,320 And I looked to know them and of course, you know, I googled the 482 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,880 name and seen all kinds of, you know, terrible things said about 483 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,040 them, But I have an open mind. You know, I, I, I know the media 484 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,240 is deceitful and I know it's no bias. 485 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,040 So, so I, I, I dug a little harder and I, I found their 486 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,280 website and I seen that, you know, they're all about free 487 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,280 speech and, you know, entrepreneurship and, you know, 488 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,440 just just typical American things, you know, like, you 489 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,360 know, gun rights, you know, all, you know, things like that. 490 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,880 So, you know, piqued my interest a little bit. 491 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,360 You know, I was, I'm a businessman. 492 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,680 I, I, I, I've owned multiple businesses in the past and I, I 493 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080 figured, hey, you know, let me reach out, let me see what's up. 494 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,920 So I reach out and, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm expecting, I'm 495 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,960 expecting the worst. You know, I get to this meeting 496 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,200 though, and, and it's just a bunch of guys hanging around 497 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,520 drinking punk and politics, and most of them are military vets. 498 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,800 So immediately I fit in. I fit in well with them because, 499 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,520 you know, it's the one thing that, you know, military vets, 500 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,400 it's easy for us to just hit it off. 501 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,120 You know, I mean, we have similar backgrounds and whatnot. 502 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:26,600 It would be like 2 retired FBI agents meeting each other. 503 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,200 You know, you guys just hit it off right away. 504 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,800 They're a bunch of nerds, man. I'd rather hang out with vets. 505 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,960 I'd rather hang out with that crew. 506 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,400 That's that's my crew for sure. But yeah, so and, and, and I 507 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,120 ended up, I ended up liking it, you know, I had fun with these 508 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,480 guys. And, you know, like I said, 509 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,240 they, they weren't with the media made them out to be. 510 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:48,400 So, so I, I, I stuck around and, and, and, and I had a blast. 511 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,240 You know, I, I, you know, flew around the country in 2020 and 512 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520 I've met a lot of these guys all, all in these other 513 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,440 chapters. And it was the same thing, you 514 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,480 know, every, every city I stopped at is these guys 515 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,880 welcomed me with open arms and showed me their city and, you 516 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,080 know, partied with me and everything. 517 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,520 And you know, it, it's, it's it's appalling the things that 518 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,760 are said about the Proud Boys. And you know why there's not 519 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,840 more lawsuits, you know, springing up, you know, about 520 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,120 libel and slander and everything. 521 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,400 But, you know, that's the topic for another day, I suppose. 522 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,680 But. Probably, yeah. 523 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,200 Fair enough. I mean, I remember listening to 524 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,280 Gavin McGinnis talk about it and saying he wanted something like 525 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,320 the Knights of Columbus, like the Elks Lodge, like people used 526 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,360 to join, like men used to go and just be around men and do men 527 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,240 things. Yeah. 528 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,160 Yeah, exactly. You know, and it's a, it's a 529 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,320 fraternity at the end of the day, you know, and, you know, 530 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,400 in, in fraternity, in college fraternities, you know, like, 531 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,400 you know, the whole point is to socialize, to network, you know, 532 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:53,600 expand on ideas, politics, you know, all that. 533 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,600 And, and it's, it's, it's no different with the Proud Boys, 534 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,560 you know, So like the, the, when I hear this, this extremist 535 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,160 group talk and all this other stuff, I'm like, there's nothing 536 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,920 extreme about this group whatsoever. 537 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,560 Nothing, you know, and, and, and it, and it, and it, it hurts 538 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,960 hearing it because like, I'm part of this group and I, I, I, 539 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,280 I defend it, you know, and there's nothing, I, I feel 540 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,360 powerless, especially being in jail now. 541 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,320 That's it. Put up with this, you know, and 542 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,360 there's nothing I can do about it, but you know, I appreciate 543 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,280 you giving me the platform and being able to explain it a 544 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,040 little bit so that that does help. 545 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,880 No, it's my, it's my pleasure. And and I think that it's, it's 546 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,560 sorely missed that people don't go looking for that information. 547 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,640 It's not that hard to find. It turns out even the FBI 548 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,000 couldn't find it, even though I gave it to him. 549 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,920 I'm interested in in your view of America as you were growing 550 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,040 up, all the licenses you did serving our country, going out 551 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,240 and starting businesses. Those are those are very hopeful 552 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,160 activities. Can you talk about what you saw 553 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,440 America as and how that changed maybe up until maybe the end of 554 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,440 2020, and what that kind of felt like? 555 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,240 Well, I mean, America, America is still, it's still what it is. 556 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,120 You know, it's a landed opportunity. 557 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,440 I was, I was told at a young age that, you know, you can do 558 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,560 anything you want in this country. 559 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,960 You just have to put your time and effort into it. 560 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,560 And that's, that's what I did. You know, I, it was really hard 561 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,200 for me to get into the finance industry. 562 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,320 For one, I grew up poor. You know, it's a, it's an 563 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,960 industry where, but usually people with the background and 564 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,520 money or, you know, it's, it's their industry, you know, so 565 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,280 it's, it's hard to get your foot in the door some somebody like 566 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000 me. So when I got my foot in the 567 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,120 door, it was, it was a big deal, you know, and it was a huge 568 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,520 accomplishment for me to be able to be able to do that. 569 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,480 But I put the time and effort into that. 570 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,360 You know, it took a lot of time getting to know people and 571 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,120 talking to people and networking and getting the education 572 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,120 required, you know, and it's not surprising that I did, you know, 573 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,000 So when I wanted, you know, I wanted to take it to the next 574 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,440 step and open up my own company, you know, it's, it's just, it's 575 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080 a shining example of what you can do in this country. 576 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,520 And, you know, display despite all the divisions and all the 577 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,960 political nonsense going on in this country, you know, you 578 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,200 still, it's still the greatest country in the world. 579 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,920 You can still do these things, you know, and display when I'm 580 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,600 what, what, what my charges are, you know, and all this I, I'm, 581 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,680 I'm going to, I'm going to take this to the Supreme Court if I 582 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,320 have to, and overturn this. But when I get out of jail, I'm 583 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,480 still going to have an opportunity as long as I put the 584 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,840 effort into it. And I'm going to continue to put 585 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,680 the effort into it because I. Know hard work. 586 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,280 Pays off in the country. No matter how. 587 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,360 Tough things may be. I think the truth today. 588 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,560 I think people can really appreciate that message. 589 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,600 You're looking down the barrel. What was the end? 590 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,400 What was the sense they asked for and what did they end up 591 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,360 getting with you with the seditious conspiracy and all the 592 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,240 others? Well, it's it's, it's 593 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,440 interesting to say that. So in the federal system 594 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,400 typically they, they do this thing called a PSR pre 595 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,400 sentencing report. Now they, it's, it's basically 596 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600 you meet with probation officers and they, they look at your 597 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,720 background and this and that and they recommend, they recommended 598 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,320 10 years based on the charges that we are convicted of for a 599 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,680 guideline. The federal government requested 600 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,360 30 years to life. So the judge ended up taking the 601 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:22,240 government's request as the sentencing guidelines and then 602 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,520 sentenced us to 15. Well, me anyway, 15 years less. 603 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,560 So I was sentenced to 15 years in jail, prison, whatever. 604 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,840 And I, I think it's, I think it's important to notice though, 605 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,160 that I was not convicted of any assaults at all. 606 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,920 I, the judge, the judge acknowledged, even though I was 607 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640 convicted of the structure of property that I didn't actually 608 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,680 touch the fence that was broken and I didn't, but I was 609 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,400 convicted of it anyway. Much like you'll eventually hear 610 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,680 Mr. Terry, I was also convicted of breaking that fence when he 611 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,320 wasn't even in the city. But so it just shows you right 612 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,560 there like the type of jury we were going up against, you know 613 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,040 what I mean? They're convicting people 614 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,280 breaking things that didn't break things, you know, or. 615 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080 Right. Well, I mean, my, my empathy, my 616 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,480 heart goes out to you guys. I, I have arrested people in 617 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,400 DCI, arrested a guy on Trump's inauguration in 2017 and he was 618 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080 shining a laser pointer into a Park Police helicopter, which is 619 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920 a felony. And he was released, didn't even 620 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,680 have it go on his record. He just had a rough night in 621 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,000 jail probably, and then went home. 622 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,840 That was the end of it. And he was facing at least five 623 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,720 years for that. And he'd probably done it 50 624 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,080 times during that day. And then to find out that you 625 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,960 guys are doing conspiracy of the mind and, you know, insurrection 626 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,600 by remote, apparently, as as the media puts it out there it it's 627 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,040 it's so absurd for me having been in that space to watch it. 628 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,960 But, you know, the unfairness of DC is famous, unfortunately. 629 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,120 I'm curious if you can talk about what you feel about the 630 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720 justice system, if you grew up thinking something different, if 631 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,440 you thought that people got a fair shake or if you thought 632 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,520 that it was always skewed, Maybe kind of give us a take on what 633 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,000 it felt like going through this. Well, like I said, I, I have a 634 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,400 law enforcement family. I come from a law enforcement 635 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,240 family. So, you know, I, I have a good 636 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,360 sense of the justice system. I, like, I, I've tried to stay 637 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,520 out of trouble my whole life, but I, I do understand how it 638 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,120 works. I, I never thought that it would 639 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,080 be frankly this corrupt And, and I, I don't think it is 640 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,120 nationwide. I, I, I was initially granted 641 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,520 bail by a Magistrate Judge in Pennsylvania. 642 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:35,280 And I, I do recall the, the judge's body language and he 643 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,120 seemed like it was absurd that they wanted to deny me bail. 644 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,480 So the fact that they used the de Novo review to, you know, 645 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,840 take that power from the Magistrate Judge and bring it 646 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,440 into DC where I was ultimately like I was revoked. 647 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,520 I mean, it, it seems to be ADCDC problem and, and not not like a 648 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,640 nationwide justice system problem, but still nonetheless, 649 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,560 I mean, this is the Department of Justice and the Department of 650 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Justice is at the end of the day is pulling the strings here, 651 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,440 whether it's DC or not. And it's, it's not a good look, 652 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,760 at least I, I do have faith in the justice system and the fact 653 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,880 that I'm going to win on appeal. I, I said from day one, I, I may 654 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,280 not win, win with this jury. I may not win on in trial, but I 655 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,560 know I'll win on appeal. Like we didn't do what we're 656 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,880 being accused of. And at trial there is, we were 657 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,080 basically convicted of, you know, people's feelings on the 658 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760 election and, and politics and whatnot. 659 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,440 You know, if politics had nothing to do with our trial, we 660 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,200 probably would have been exonerated. 661 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200 But politics had everything to do with our trial. 662 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,840 And that's why we were convicted. 663 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,280 And that's the problem. You know, it shouldn't be like 664 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,320 that ever in our justice system. But luckily, luckily, like I 665 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,400 said in the appeals court, I don't, I don't, I don't think I 666 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,840 have, I have that issue could be wrong. 667 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,760 But I, I, I hope, I hope you get a fair shake the appeals court. 668 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,920 Yeah, I know we're all praying and pulling for you guys on 669 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,560 that. Talk to me about you've gone 670 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,560 through basic training, you're looking at kind of a rough road 671 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,520 ahead at least a while. It goes through appeals and you 672 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,800 know, maybe the mindset that you're taking into what's in 673 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,080 front of you. You have one minute remaining 674 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,040 it. Goes. 675 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,840 Yeah, that's us. It's alright. 676 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040 So. Just a mindset that's carrying 677 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,200 you through what you're looking at, you know, based on some of 678 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,520 the other difficult things you've done in your life, you. 679 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,760 Know I, I, I've, I've, we, we, we prepared for the worst. 680 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,360 I've always prepared for the worst in my life. 681 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,680 I've prepared my wife for the worst. 682 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800 In this situation, we, we had a feeling that this is going to be 683 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,240 dragged out because of the politics. 684 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,600 Once we were denied, once I was denied bail, we knew something 685 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,520 was up, but we knew it was going to, we knew it was going to be 686 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,080 something dragged out. So we prepared for that and I'll 687 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,880 prepare for anything that's that's turned on us. 688 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,120 But anybody wants to, you know, follow through with our with, 689 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,520 you know, follow along with our our trial, like, you know, you 690 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,920 can follow me on Twitter defend Zack or true social defend Zack 691 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,800 as well. So. 692 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,000 We'll put those out there for sure. 693 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,520 I know we're going to get cut off real shortly. 694 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,640 I want to thank you for coming on here. 695 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,720 We're going to pump all your guys gifts and goes as well and 696 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,040 share them with everybody. And we do appreciate you taking 697 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800 your your, your phone call for today with us. 698 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,760 I know we're going to get shot there. 699 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560 So thanks so much. Thank you for using global Tel 700 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,600 link. It goes quick. 701 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,440 It goes quick. Y'all imagine trying to keep up 702 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,880 a family relationship doing that. 703 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,040 You know, Ryan, tough. Really tough. 704 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,680 I don't know how these brave men are doing it, Kyle. 705 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,680 I don't. I could not do it. 706 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,200 I could not do it. If I'm then I'm not. 707 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200 I'm not going to lie. What's happening to these poor 708 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,120 men and women in this country and the fact that we have 709 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,640 politicians that are sitting in Washington right now, they're 710 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,080 going on vacation when they work for us, We the people and their 711 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,720 constituents are sitting in a prison cell rotting away right 712 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,520 now for crimes that they did not commit. 713 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680 All right, you ready? Pulling up bigs here. 714 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,600 We go. This is Kyle. 715 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,880 Hello. Hello, this is Kyle Seraphin. 716 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,280 Is this Joe? Yeah, this is. 717 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,600 All right, Mr. Biggs, I, I really appreciate you calling 718 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,600 and, and chatting with us today. I want to kind of get into as 719 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,120 much as we can in the 15 minutes we have. 720 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080 So I want to start with, I've read your profiles. 721 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,880 I think people have seen your face, that people have listened 722 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,080 to you on the radio, they've seen you around social media and 723 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,880 so on. But maybe tell people who you 724 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,480 are, where you grew up. I kind of like to give people 725 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,760 the human touch of, of where people come from. 726 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,600 It's not just a face that they see on the news. 727 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,760 Well, I was pretty much born in the Charlotte, NC area. 728 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:45,400 I grew up around the Carolinas and Florida. 729 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,840 My mother was a teacher, my father was a Marine, so we moved 730 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,639 a lot. I grew up a lot on college 731 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,920 campuses at Clemson University, University of South Carolina, 732 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,080 University of Florida, or State. So I've spent most of my 733 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,200 childhood on college campuses. And then I have that Marine 734 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,120 Corps aspect. And then I decided to myself 735 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,040 after 9911, joined the army to piss off my dad. 736 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,160 Yeah, I was going to say that must have hurt his feelings a 737 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,520 little bit. You went Army when you could 738 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,800 have had a much prettier uniform. 739 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,960 Yeah, but you know what? We get better toys so I was OK 740 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,560 with that. That's fair. 741 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,560 Tell me about your time in the army. 742 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,600 It was fun. You know, I, I got Fort Bragg. 743 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,400 I wanted Fort Bragg. I went there, deployed pretty 744 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560 soon when I got to my unit, my first start and said, hey, 745 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,440 you've got some college, so that means you're smart. 746 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,320 I said, yeah, I guess so. And he sent me to EMT school. 747 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,000 I guess there was a shortage of, we got a shortage of medics at 748 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,520 the time when we first went into Iraq for me like around 2003, 749 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,160 2004. So they sent me to EMT school. 750 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,320 I went over there, did convoy security. 751 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,960 I was the the first guy. I was like the, the route Finder 752 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,160 for all the convoys going through Iraq and the first one 753 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,880 to get blown up. So basically we would drive 754 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,280 around, get blown up and I would patch myself and my guys up and 755 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,400 that was fun. And then I went to Afghanistan 756 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:16,360 where we did more of kind of boat patrols, mount patrols and 757 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,320 things like that through the coast province. 758 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,160 We had our own little AO around the terrace, IEDC and outside of 759 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,200 Salerno. And, you know, we did a lot of 760 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,360 stuff, you know, going out there trying to create show points for 761 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,240 the Taliban, for any of the insurgents coming in and out of 762 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,880 Pakistan on the border right there. 763 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,640 We're trying to slap stop a lot of the flow of the weapons and 764 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,720 munitions and things like that. So I, I spent a lot of time 765 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,800 doing that. I've been to a lot of funerals, 766 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,320 seen a lot of crazy stuff. And you know, when I, when I, 767 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,800 the military, I, I needed something to keep that 768 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,160 adrenaline going on. And I end up finding a job as a 769 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,720 reporter and I actually got kind of a gig doing St. stuff. 770 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:06,120 So I I. I covered lots of riots, a lot 771 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,800 of protests turned riots and terrorist attacks all over the 772 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,640 world. I was there just a couple of 773 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,600 like a day after the Bodakan theater attack. 774 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,600 I went there on the raids with the, the police in Saint 775 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,920 Anthony, France, when they were looking for the ISIS fighters. 776 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,480 I followed them all the way up in the Molenbeek, Belgium, and 777 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,120 found the places where the suspected ISIS fighters came 778 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,520 from. So I, I, I've been in it for a 779 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,440 while. I, I, I like doing that, but 780 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,560 never in a million years. But I think I find myself in 781 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,560 jail, being charged with something akin to terrorism for 782 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,400 the barely walking around that day of the castle. 783 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,320 Yeah, that's that's kind of what I want to touch on there. 784 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,040 You've seen combat, you've seen, you've seen what war looks like, 785 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,680 you've seen what riots and and real St. violence looks like. 786 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,400 Can you compare that experience based on, you know, many, many 787 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,040 hours in it and then maybe against what you saw for the 788 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,720 couple hours that went on on January 6th? 789 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,760 Well, January 6th was, it was, it was an interesting thing. 790 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,360 So you know, you had, you had multiple groups of people who 791 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,120 had permits all across the DC area, quite a few around the 792 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,280 capital area and you had them, the main one at the Ellipse 793 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,720 where the president was speaking. 794 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,720 We'd heard the president before. So we chose to go to some of the 795 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:20,760 other events and they had multiple permits set up around 796 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,080 that spot. So it it was a unique 797 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,080 environment that you had instead of being like one regular 798 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,080 protest when I was in Ferguson, MO, you had everybody congregate 799 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,080 in one area. Then one thing sparked that and 800 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,080 it picked up from, you know, that one area and the police and 801 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,480 the firefighters and everybody knew how to respond to that. 802 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520 You know, that that act of violence that kind of sparked 803 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,160 the riot here. It was from all over the place. 804 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,280 You had people from coming from multiple different rallies from 805 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,480 multiple places. You didn't know who was in what 806 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,080 group and what their intentions were. 807 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,440 So it was really a recipe for disaster. 808 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,200 You know, when I was standing in the front up there, I was on the 809 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,880 bullhorn. I was doing my normal chance 810 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,640 that I always did. But about 25 yards in front of 811 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,240 me there was another guy that we call black megaphone guy. 812 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,400 We still don't know who he is. He was telling people now that 813 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,000 we've gone back and been able to seen footage. 814 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200 Hey, you need to get them into the front lines. 815 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,160 Get up here to the fence. We need to push this fence down. 816 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640 We need to charge for it. We need to go to the Capitol. 817 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,880 But I get blamed for that somehow. 818 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,960 And the footage shows this other man doing that. 819 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,360 You know what? What sparked what, what, what 820 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,440 happened was this one simple guy went up there, pushed, they had 821 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,240 the right people around them that that were there to to kick 822 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,040 it off. The crowd didn't know what was 823 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,320 going on. And as the as the fence went 824 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000 forward, people just started flooding forward and it kind of 825 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,960 went out of control. You know, what I saw in Ferguson 826 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,600 was when they announced the no indictment on Officer Darren 827 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,560 Wilson, one person threw a bottle at the fire department 828 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,680 right over my head. I was actually with my camera 829 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,160 crew set up at the fire department. 830 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,440 Bottle went over my head, shatters. 831 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,200 And then everything from there went to chaos. 832 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,520 Browns are flying pepper balls, you know, you name it, M Raptor 833 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,440 in the street. And it went on for days. 834 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,440 This happened much the same, but they're trying to Contra up the 835 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,400 story and say that it was a lot more organized than what it was 836 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,760 when it wasn't. You know that there was nothing 837 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,040 organized about that, that that was another protest turned riot. 838 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,080 And it sucks it happened but happens all the time. 839 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,480 And I'm not sure why they're making. 840 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,320 Such a big deal out of out of it with. 841 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,400 Us and they don't with the other ones. 842 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,720 I think a lot of Americans are seeing that same thing, the 843 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,600 disproportionate response to what happened in Ferguson, what 844 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,880 happened in Baltimore, what happened in 2020 in a dozen 845 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,000 cities around the United States. And, and you've kind of just 846 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,040 touched on it. What were your feelings going in 847 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,360 after watching what happened throughout the the say March to 848 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,520 December of 2020? What were you feeling about this 849 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,400 country? I, I knew things were on edge 850 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,480 and I knew things were, you know, intense. 851 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,440 People were kind of at a point where, you know, even on regular 852 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,240 stations like NPR and things like that, people were talking 853 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,680 about civil war. That was a pretty common topic 854 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,880 amongst people. And when I was doing interviews, 855 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,440 let's say Dateline and things like that, I had a lot of 856 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,000 reporters coming to my house in that time frame interviewing me 857 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000 and asking me what, you know, what do I think about a coming 858 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,520 civil war? This is something that everyone 859 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,120 was talking about at that time. But for some reason the 860 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,760 government wants to hit in on the fact that I've talked about 861 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,000 it before. I talked about it simply because 862 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,200 that's my job as a reporter and it was a main topic at that 863 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,720 time. People on on edge, people don't 864 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,880 trust the the voting system that we have in place. 865 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,480 People don't trust our elected officials. 866 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,600 They don't want to trust these people that are pointed over it. 867 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,760 And they smell corruption and there's fear in the air and 868 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480 people don't know what to do. And I think that's a kind of a 869 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,920 powder check for, you know, what happened on January 6th. 870 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,840 Yeah, I think that that makes a lot of sense. 871 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,800 We we talked to Zachary about his hope for appeal. 872 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,520 What, what are your feelings about the justice system as it 873 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,960 stands right now and and how things are looking down the road 874 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,560 for you guys? Well, I mean, not only do I hope 875 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,840 that the, you know, this appeal system works, America should 876 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,440 hope that it works. Because if we can't get a good, 877 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,720 fair try in the appeal courts here, I think we're pretty much 878 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,280 tuned to the country. If they can come after me and 879 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,280 charge me with terrorism for shaking a fence, what else are 880 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,840 they going to go after people for next? 881 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,920 You know, this is only going to embolden the Department of 882 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,520 Justice, is only going to embolden those individuals who 883 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,760 got away with this. And we need to make sure that, 884 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,880 you know, as American citizens that we are voting when it's 885 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,400 time to vote, that we're paying attention to the people that we 886 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,640 vote. And we look at the ways that 887 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,840 those people have voted before in the past and make sure that 888 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,800 we put people in power that should be in power. 889 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560 I think that's something that needs to be done. 890 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,000 Because if we don't get a good fair trial or we don't get a 891 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,280 good fair appeal in DC, you know, it's hard to say, You 892 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080 know, then we're kind of dependent upon a, a Trump 893 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,600 presidency or someone else out there at dark Horse who might 894 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,880 come in down the road. And I just don't know. 895 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,160 I, I, I think they've already gotten away with so many things 896 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,240 on the left that right now it's too easy for them to get away 897 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,880 with it because no one's really done anything to stop them. 898 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,520 I agree with that as well. My, my, my audience kind of 899 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,800 hears me talk about the fact that there's a certain energy 900 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,720 that is on the left right now that is, that is very mobile. 901 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,920 They've done sort of, if you want to call it the political 902 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,680 dry run by going after a lot of people from January 6th in a way 903 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,280 that I, I did not see. I couldn't even imagine someone 904 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,200 telling me to go investigate A misdemeanor when I was working 905 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,520 there. I think I would have laughed it 906 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,640 off. I've turned down, you know, 907 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,800 felonies on a regular basis because we didn't have time or 908 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,240 resources. And then they went after Trump 909 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,240 in a way that was unprecedented, which you guys probably saw 910 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,200 from, you know, while under the, the shadow of indictment. 911 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,400 And now that you guys have been, you know, convicted and, and 912 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,120 you're dealing with a sentencing and you're seeing 4 indictments 913 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,800 hangover the former president. You know what, what are your 914 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600 thoughts about the energy level that is going into this sort of 915 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,840 persecution? I'll call it. 916 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,960 Well, I can tell you the his Co defendants are probably going to 917 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,080 be scared right now, you know, because like I said, the the the 918 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,720 left, they have an energy right now that is probably a kendo 919 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,480 steamroller. You know, it's kind of hard to 920 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,800 stop one of those. And they've gotten away with so 921 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,160 much and they're going to continue to keep pushing and 922 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,040 keep pushing and and rolling over as many people as they can 923 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,320 until they feel like they're safe to continue leading the way 924 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080 they want to. That's the sad thing. 925 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,640 I, I don't know, you know, it's hard to say right now. 926 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,600 I'm at a loss sometimes. You know what, when I saw what I 927 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,000 saw in the trial really blew my mind. 928 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,520 When the FBI agents were coming in, like, we got this guy. 929 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,160 We got this guy that's so big. We went to his house and they 930 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,640 lay down on the table the evidence and it was coins, 931 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,480 challenge coins and Proud Boys T-shirts and flags for my room 932 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,160 and things like that. Like, you know, we got this guy, 933 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,920 he's evil scum. And I'm like you, you've got 934 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,000 coins where we tell Dick jokes. You've got got T-shirts making 935 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,920 fun of each other. This is insane. 936 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,800 We're really wasting this kind of money on this. 937 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,520 And you know that they're they're they're taking things 938 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,880 that we said that are clearly jokes and they're trying to make 939 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,720 this some serious thing. We're we're a group of guys who 940 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,240 joke about everything. We literally during the trial, 941 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,840 we were pulling pranks on each other, me and Enrique, when 942 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,280 Enrique in between breaks in the trial, when we were downstairs 943 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,760 in the holding cell, I was toilet papering him like he was 944 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480 a mummy. You know, we, we even in and all 945 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,520 of this, we're just a bunch of guys who like to joke, you know, 946 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,800 we were doing like 3 legged races with our legs cuffed 947 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,720 together, running and chasing each other around the courtroom. 948 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:33,520 You know, you've got to have fun and you've got to maintain some 949 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,040 kind of morale and all this. But you know, it's, it's bad out 950 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,760 there and they're crazy and they're coming after us and it 951 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120 came for me and my buddies and I, I don't know, man. 952 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,840 I mean, what do you guys, what do, what do you think is 953 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,120 happening and what can be done? Well, we're we're going to keep 954 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,160 pushing awareness. I, I don't know, I, I feel like 955 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,200 it's going to, I think it's the things you highlighted are true 956 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,480 that there's a lot of ugliness and there's an awful lot of 957 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,720 anger that seems very impotent and, and mispointed. 958 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,720 And why would be at you is it's a proxy for something. 959 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:03,680 I just can't figure out what it is that they hate so much other 960 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480 than they hate America. I'm curious now. 961 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,800 I've talked to, to Dominic, I've talked to Zachary, I'm talking 962 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,880 to you. You've all have gone through a 963 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,320 basic training. You've all kind of dealt with 964 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,320 the suck in the military. You talk about how that may give 965 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,200 you guys the ability to have that kind of gallows humor where 966 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,960 you can tie each other up like mummies and do 3 legged races. 967 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,840 Yeah, I guess, you know, I I don't know. 968 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,560 I mean, I, I grew up. My, my, my, my, my real brother. 969 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,160 But, you know, like my blood brother David, he was a Marine. 970 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,520 We always did that. You know, when, when you're 971 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,960 around a bunch of guys who've seen a lot of crazy stuff, 972 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,720 you've got to learn it's a joke in the bad times and the good 973 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,640 times, you got to learn to, to find that, that, that, that 974 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,960 glitter of hope and that ability to, to reach in and, and, and 975 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,200 get that little bit of fuel left in your body to push and keep 976 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,160 going. You know, I, I, I don't quit. 977 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,440 I don't have quit in me. God didn't build me for quit. 978 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,720 God built me to, to keep going and to keep fighting. 979 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,800 And I'm going to fight until the day that I die, you know, and, 980 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,760 and after that, I, I hope people still fight in our name. 981 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,320 And I hope people still continue to push for justice and push for 982 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,080 the right because you know what if, if, if you're in this to 983 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,160 quit, then you're in this for the wrong thing. 984 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,600 Because we're at a war right now. 985 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,440 And you know, a war for our freedom, a war for our rights, a 986 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,560 war for our country or for our culture, for what we are, you 987 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,800 know, our values for Christian values for the nuclear family. 988 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,200 If you're not willing to fight, they needed to move the hell 989 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,800 over and let people who are willing to fight get in there 990 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,160 and take control. You mentioned God, you mentioned 991 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,280 faith, you mentioned the war. That's a spiritual war. 992 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,400 I I think maybe tell us what are your prayers sound like when, 993 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,240 when you're when you're laying down and closing your eyes at 994 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,640 night? Well, I always ask God first to 995 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,280 give me a understanding before I read the Bible, you know, to, 996 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,000 you know, God, you know, kind of talk to me and tell me what it 997 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,720 is you want me to see here. And then with that, God give me 998 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:59,040 the understanding I need and the wisdom I need to implement what 999 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560 it is you're trying to tell me. And I try to meditate on that 1000 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,720 and sleep. You have one minute remaining. 1001 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,680 Family and I pray for my enemies, I pray for the judges, 1002 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,880 I pray for the court system. I pray for the the the AUSA 1003 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,080 attorneys. I pray for everyone out there 1004 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,320 that's doing the wrong thing that God will reach into them, 1005 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,200 soften their hearts and help them see the truth and to do the 1006 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,640 right thing and help us out. I can appreciate all that and I 1007 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,200 think that's some some wise words. 1008 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,720 We have the website scrolling underneath right now. 1009 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,080 Free Joe Biggs with two GS dot com. 1010 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,560 Is there a better website or is that the best one to for people 1011 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,800 to kind of keep track of what you have? 1012 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,640 To freegobigs.com. That's it. 1013 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,760 That's the best way to go free. Go bigs.com and that's where you 1014 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,880 can help take care of my little girl. 1015 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,360 I lost my military retirement from all this, so she no longer 1016 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,920 gets that money. And this also helps to pay my 1017 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,280 lawyer to continue fighting through the appeals, you know, 1018 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,480 in the circuit courts all the way up into the Supreme Court. 1019 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,200 All right, we will promote that as well. 1020 00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,680 And Joe, thanks for for talking to us. 1021 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,440 I don't want to get cut off on ceremoniously. 1022 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,200 So I just want to say I really appreciate it and we're praying 1023 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,880 for all you guys all. Right, thank you. 1024 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,000 Free the Proud Boys. We'll see you guys. 1025 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,720 Thank you for using global Tel link. 1026 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,200 You want to see something that's else going to make you upset, 1027 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,520 Kyle, or might as well go ahead. Go ahead and search on Google 1028 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,960 free Joe Briggs. Tell me what you come up with. 1029 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,840 Guess what I come up with? Google is purposely hiding his 1030 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,200 content. You can't see it anywhere over 1031 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,720 here. I'm searching free Joe Biggs, 1032 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,840 which is website is www.freejoebiggs. 1033 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,960 It should be the first web page that pops up here. 1034 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,680 It should very least be on page one. 1035 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,320 Yeah, not even nowhere to be find. 1036 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,800 It's all just articles about it being sentenced. 1037 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,200 What if we take the spaces out of it? 1038 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,480 Nope. Nope, Nope. 1039 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,240 Not at all. Did you? 1040 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,120 Yeah, I've got Ethan coming in next. 1041 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,880 Yes, there he is. This is Kyle. 1042 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,600 Hello, this is a prepaid debit call. 1043 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,120 From Ethan Nordine. This is Kyle. 1044 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,360 Hey. Kyle, this is Ethan Nordine. 1045 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,920 How you doing, Ethan? I'm watching our clock here. 1046 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,080 I'm getting better at doing this thing. 1047 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,800 So that's just a sad thing to have to be good at. 1048 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,520 But I, I really appreciate you speaking with us today. 1049 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,080 And I'm looking forward to, you know, a few minutes of talk and 1050 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,720 your time. I've done the same thing with 1051 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,400 the other guys. I want to humanize the story of 1052 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,920 who it is. Everyone's seen like a picture 1053 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,920 in the news or they've seen a a name in the headline like you to 1054 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,480 kind of tell people who you are, where you grew up, what kind of 1055 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,280 family you came from, you know, what part of America you saw 1056 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,720 growing up and what that lens looks like. 1057 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,200 Yeah, sure. Well, my full name's Ethan 1058 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,840 Nordine. Some people actually know me as 1059 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,800 Rufio Pan Man. That's my patriot name out there 1060 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,400 on the West Coast. But I grew up in Washington 1061 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,120 state near the Seattle area my whole life, you know, and 1062 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:55,000 growing up, you know, I was raised by a great family, had a 1063 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,840 great upbringing. I went to private school, you 1064 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,840 know, I spent a lot of time in the woods, you know, I was the 1065 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,520 rode horses. I was kind of a country boy, you 1066 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,000 know, dirt bikes, all that, all that kind of stuff. 1067 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,120 And so I kind of grew up in a, you know, conservative family, 1068 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,320 you could say. And we've always had a pride for 1069 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,880 hard work and, and, you know, just kind of living off the land 1070 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,080 and, and I think that kind of, you know, sparked my pride in 1071 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,880 this country. And, and I think the last 10 1072 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,160 years or so growing up, I really started to see that the dynamic 1073 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,160 of my state change. Washington, anybody who's from 1074 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,840 that area has been there, as you know, knows what I'm talking 1075 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,440 about, the dramatic change from like kind of this leftist 1076 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,480 takeover and. Yeah. 1077 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,360 Starting in 2017 is when I started getting active, the 1078 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,960 Patriot movement. Just wanted to lend a hand, see 1079 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,840 what I could do to help out with a lot of this destruction and 1080 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,040 stuff that was happening in the cities, these rallies and stuff 1081 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,280 like that. And so, you know, 2017 was 1082 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,600 really when I started to kind of get involved obviously with the 1083 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,360 Proud Boys. And you know, the rest is, I 1084 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,960 mean, I don't know if you want to get into the rest now or do 1085 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,120 you have any other? No, this is your story. 1086 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,040 It's whatever you want to tell. And I'm I'm more than happy to 1087 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:16,000 hear that part. Yeah, so 2017, it was actually 1088 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,760 Mayday. And if anybody, if anybody, 1089 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,720 knows what Mayday is, it's one of the biggest days of protests 1090 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,400 in a lot of major cities. Certainly in Seattle. 1091 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,000 Yes, certainly, yeah. And it was just projected that 1092 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,360 there was going to be a lot of destruction. 1093 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,960 And at the time, this was, you know, obviously President Trump 1094 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,240 is already, you know, stepped into office and people had 1095 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,120 really spiked up their, you know, activity and as far as 1096 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,880 protests go, and there's just a lot of destruction, people 1097 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,160 getting banned from colleges and and violence. 1098 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,480 And so I. Just, you know, I, I. 1099 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,640 Decided I had enough. I'd seen all the YouTube videos 1100 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,720 everybody's seen. And I went out to Seattle with 1101 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,360 the anticipation of just helping out local law enforcement, you 1102 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,160 know, protecting local businesses. 1103 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,440 And I ended up meeting a small group of Proud Boys. 1104 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,120 And back then, Proud Boys was, I mean, just very unorganized. 1105 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,960 Name five breakfast cereals, that kind of thing. 1106 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,600 Yeah, just, I mean, it's just a bunch of, you know, blue collar 1107 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,760 type dudes mostly just joking around, everybody making fun of 1108 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,080 each other. But, you know, we were there 1109 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,920 with the kind of, you know, kind of centered idea that this was 1110 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,280 kind of messed up what was going on. 1111 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,320 And, you know, from all different walks of life, we just 1112 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,040 kind of came together in that moment. 1113 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920 And back then, it was really easy to kind of get into the 1114 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,280 Proud Boys. There's like no betting or 1115 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,640 anything like that. And so from 2017 to about 2018, 1116 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,520 I became pretty prominent, A prominent leader in the in the 1117 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,280 Proud Boys. Some people know that I had this 1118 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:53,080 incident in Portland, OR and 2018 where a Antifa individual 1119 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,560 attacked me with a collapsible ton and it was a video that went 1120 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,440 viral. I knocked him out with one 1121 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,160 punch, and it was the punch right around the world. 1122 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,240 And my fame kind of exploded with overnight. 1123 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,560 And it was also how everybody kind of from then on out kind of 1124 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,560 labeled me as a violent extremist because I fought back. 1125 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,320 And this is kind of a pivotal point for a lot of people that I 1126 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,400 think can relate to my situation, that, you know, when 1127 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,680 you fight back, you immediately become this violent perpetrator. 1128 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,200 You know, you're not allowed to fight back. 1129 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,320 And I think that. It's, I mean, it's interesting 1130 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,920 you said. You saw it in my trial a little 1131 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,560 bit that, you know, the government kind of accuses me of 1132 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,000 recruiting. My recruiting ability in the 1133 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,600 proud voice was because of my my ability to fight was what they 1134 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,440 said. Yeah, they quoted you as a 1135 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,840 thuggish level of violence, which I thought was really 1136 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,320 interesting. Right. 1137 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,840 Yeah. And you know what's funny is 1138 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,760 I've never been. I have no record at all. 1139 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,200 I mean, now I do. I guess I can say I have. 1140 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,840 And it's, you know, you'd think like, if I was really out there 1141 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,320 doing this stuff, you know, I'd have some kind of track record 1142 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,000 violence as far as violence goes. 1143 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,520 And it's just not there. It doesn't exist because, you 1144 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,240 know, I've always, I've always prided myself on, you know, 1145 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,080 trying to deescalate as much as I can and only using force if 1146 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,960 absolutely necessary. And I mean, if you've ever been 1147 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,600 to some of these events out in the West Coast, they get, I 1148 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,400 mean. I I thought I was going to shoot 1149 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,320 some people the last time I was in Portland, for what it's 1150 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,520 worth, and I also thought the FBI would hang me out to dry. 1151 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,840 Exactly, exactly. You know, and you get caught in, 1152 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520 you know, you're between a rock and a hard place when you're in 1153 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,560 these situations where it's like, well, I absolutely see the 1154 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,240 need for force here. And but I'm also scared as to 1155 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,440 really repercussions because I know what the media is going to 1156 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,920 say and I know there's probably going to be an investigation. 1157 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,840 Then I, you know, now that we're especially after January 6th, 1158 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,760 you just feel like your hands are tied. 1159 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:56,000 And so I think really what's going on here is what we're 1160 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,080 seeing is you see people like me, I've kind of been, you know, 1161 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,360 a unique individual within the Proud Boys where I'm being, you 1162 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,920 know, punished for basically standing up against what I 1163 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,160 believe is wrong and, and actually using force against 1164 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,680 people that, you know, are acting out violently. 1165 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,520 And it's just, I think that's the government or whoever wants 1166 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,640 to discourage that completely. I don't even know. 1167 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,520 It's it's it's hard to say I. I think that's why I'm being 1168 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,400 punished because you, you, you saw in court, there's this 1169 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,760 really, no, they couldn't really pin me on anything. 1170 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,560 You know, they just kept jumping around in circles talking about 1171 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,560 how I'm a violent individual and how I, you know, I advocate for 1172 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,240 force and I've only ever used force when it was, it was 1173 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,520 necessary and it, and it's never, it's only been a handful 1174 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,800 of times. So it was kind of comical to to 1175 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,680 watch and dance around and try and, you know, pin this label on 1176 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,560 me. I'm I'm looking, we've got your 1177 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,120 gifts and go up and we're going to put that up. 1178 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,080 I've got the stand in the gap dot foundation. 1179 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,720 Is that another website that would also reach you? 1180 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:02,160 Sorry. What was the last? 1181 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,680 One maybe this is maybe the wrong one. 1182 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,880 We've got support Ethan Nordine though as the gifts and goes. 1183 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,400 That sound right? Yeah. 1184 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,960 And, and I'm looking at the photo there and I'm looking at 1185 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,280 the pictures we've got from the day of. 1186 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,200 And it's like you would have fit in with my buddies who are, you 1187 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,560 know, kind of mixed bag of military, law enforcement guys 1188 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,400 who know that sometimes you need to throw a punch, guys who would 1189 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,680 still go to church, but, you know, would stand up for their 1190 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,720 kids or their family. So it's it's hard. 1191 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,520 It sounds like they're making an example, the guilt by 1192 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,680 association. And then they gave you what, 18 1193 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,280 years for this? Like a judge came down and said 1194 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,200 that was a reasonable sentence. Like what? 1195 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,480 What was the feeling when that happened? 1196 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,520 You know, it's, it's, it's very unique situation. 1197 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,280 I think that if there's a burden that kind of comes off your 1198 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,640 shoulders when you finally are rid of this whole procedural 1199 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,320 process. And I've kind of had to look at 1200 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,800 it the best way I know how. And I just feel like, you know, 1201 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,880 I think it's the, it's better that they go as crazy as 1202 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,960 possible and people like me because, well, like all, all the 1203 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,920 proud boys here, because, you know, it's, it makes it look so 1204 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,640 much crazier. And I think it gets people's 1205 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,840 attention more just how crazy this is. 1206 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,000 And I just, a part of me just doesn't believe it. 1207 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,640 It's not real, you know, so it's hard for me to really have a 1208 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,400 negative response to it. I'm, I'm, I'm obviously 1209 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,920 frustrated that this is, you know, our court system doing 1210 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,600 this to us, our justice system feels justified in giving the 1211 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,120 steps down. And, you know, at the end of the 1212 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,640 day is that this is something that we've all defended and a 1213 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,320 lot of us would be willing to die for. 1214 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,320 And, and it's kind of discouraging. 1215 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,120 I mean, it's heartbreaking to see that it's so easy to hand 1216 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,240 out sentences that you know, are destroying people's lives. 1217 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,720 And and yeah, for my audience's benefit, I've seen people who 1218 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,120 have knocked out and broken the face, like the oral sockets of 1219 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,400 old women on an Indian Reservation and get less than 1220 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,240 four years. I've seen people convicted of 1221 00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,520 distributing and creating child pornography get 10 years or 1222 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,160 less, you know, 12 years, tops. And they're not going to serve 1223 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,960 all that. And then you guys are getting 1224 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,800 things like 18 year sentences and 15 and 22 years. 1225 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,360 You know, what is, what is the process look like? 1226 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,680 What, what is your, your, what's keeping you guys going as far as 1227 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,240 energy? And everyone kind of has a 1228 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,520 different motivator. What's what's giving you the 1229 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,440 hope to to wake up every morning and put your feet down on the 1230 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,640 floor? You know, there's, there's a lot 1231 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,440 I I know. That there's still a lot of 1232 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,840 that. People out there fighting for 1233 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,560 us. And so obviously we want to, we 1234 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,040 want to keep the energy alive there. 1235 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,200 I, I really think that we're in the midst of, you know, a new 1236 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,800 revolution of some kind. I'm not. 1237 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,880 And but when I say that, I'm not advocating for violence or 1238 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,240 anything for anybody who's listening. 1239 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,760 So of course. I I just think that there is. 1240 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,040 A. And isn't it sad that we have to 1241 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,000 say that right now? Exactly, You know, everything 1242 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,040 will be used against you. It can, but it definitely will. 1243 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,880 So I think that, you know, people are are waking up, You 1244 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,400 know, I've talked to a lot of people, even people who aren't 1245 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,080 chase fixers who see what's going on. 1246 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,800 And there just seems to be this kind of. 1247 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,640 Like, you know, a lot of people when they talk about the Great 1248 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,120 Awakening, it definitely seems like it's a legitimate 1249 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,720 statement. People are seeing what's going 1250 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,160 on. But if you don't even 1251 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,680 necessarily need to see what's going on to just feel the kind 1252 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,680 of general energy that's being exuded right now that it just 1253 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,560 feels like something is, you know, just around the bend. 1254 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,320 And I think it's just kind of a feeling of being ready and 1255 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,400 constant state of readiness of whatever's happening and, and 1256 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,120 being aware, getting out there and spreading the truth. 1257 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,080 As much as possible. Preparing people, I think that's 1258 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,520 kind of like just gearing up for whatever is coming, you know? 1259 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,800 And being ready is what keeps me kind of going, you know? 1260 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,120 That's fair. When you look at your crystal 1261 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,520 ball and you guys have an awful lot of time to think, I imagine 1262 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,360 right now, where do you see the, the, the forks in the road for 1263 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,360 this country and, and especially from your unique position in it 1264 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,720 and having seen what it's just done to you. 1265 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,440 What do I anticipate the future to look like? 1266 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,160 Maybe a couple options if you see a couple forks in the road 1267 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,320 out there because I'm sure there's a couple of 1268 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,200 possibilities in your mind. There's a couple possibilities 1269 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,320 for sure. Well, one, I mean, Trump gets 1270 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,680 elected and, you know, a ginormous celebration ensues, 1271 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,120 you know. Obviously that's that's. 1272 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,120 The number one desired outcome #2 he doesn't. 1273 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,560 And I think this is where it kind of gets tricky because I'm 1274 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,720 just hoping that not everybody's putting their eggs in that 1275 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,280 basket, all their eggs in that basket. 1276 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,040 You know, I think, like I said, we need to be in a state of 1277 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,520 readiness for whatever happens, hope for the best and prepare 1278 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,480 for the worst. You know, we need to get active. 1279 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,800 We need to get involved, you know, sign up for some groups 1280 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,040 that you support, write letters, make phone calls, get out there 1281 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,280 in the streets and get active, you know, because there's, 1282 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,760 there's a third option that's, you know, where people don't get 1283 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,280 involved and people kind of put all their eggs in the in the 1284 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,920 Trump basket and it doesn't work out. 1285 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,560 And I think everything just becomes normalized. 1286 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,320 What's happening and you're already starting to see it. 1287 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,560 You know, you can pretty much point any direction. 1288 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,480 You got the border, you got our, our, the schools that are 1289 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,560 teaching our children all these things. 1290 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,680 And you can kind of, you know, hear everybody say, oh, man, 1291 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,960 that's crazy that that's happening in pretty much every 1292 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,000 facet of our country. And it's, it's kind of sad 1293 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,600 because it's becoming a normal conversation. 1294 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,880 All it sucks that this is happening. 1295 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,120 It sucks that it's happening to these, what's happening to these 1296 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,840 J Sixers? And it sucks that, you know, 1297 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,760 they got sentenced to 22 years, But what do we do? 1298 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:40,680 And that's option #3 is I think, you know, our worst potential 1299 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,120 outcome that people just kind of give up. 1300 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,360 And I, I really don't feel like currently, I don't believe that 1301 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,920 our spirit is, is currently in that position where we're ready 1302 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,720 to just give up. So I'm hoping that people, you 1303 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,480 know, are ready to fight for what they believe in again. 1304 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,920 And it's, and it's not a in a sense of physical fighting, but 1305 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,480 in a sense. Of in a metaphorical and 1306 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,920 rhetorical way. Metaphorically speaking, right? 1307 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,400 My my buddy got in trouble with this with the FBI too. 1308 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,600 Exactly right. And so you got, you know, I 1309 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,000 think people need to be inspired, people need to be 1310 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,840 given permission, say, hey, you know what this is what you're 1311 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,720 feeling is this it's correct, it's what's happening is wrong. 1312 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,400 And So what are we going to do about that as a country? 1313 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,080 And, and I think that comes down to a lot of people be willing to 1314 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,480 step into leadership position to maybe, you know, felt like, 1315 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,560 well, I don't know if I'm ready for that or I don't know if 1316 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,160 that's my job. Like, look, you know, if you 1317 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,120 feel like you are compelled to step into the shoes of, you 1318 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,320 know, any situation, do it, You know, like we need leaders 1319 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,520 really badly. Our kids need leaders more than 1320 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,560 anything right now. If, if you, if you have a hard 1321 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,080 time picking an area that you need to fight in, just think of 1322 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,080 our kids. I mean, if we can't stand for 1323 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,600 them, then I don't really think we can stand. 1324 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,560 You have one minute remaining. All right. 1325 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,080 And our last minute here is the lady has just told us, can you 1326 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,080 tell people where they can support you the best ways that 1327 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,600 you would appreciate support, whether it be letters or, or 1328 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,360 financial or anything else. And we'll, we'll share all that 1329 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,520 along. Yeah, honestly, the best thing 1330 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,960 that we, the thing that we need the most right now is financial 1331 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,000 support with the legal battles ahead in our family. 1332 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,640 I mean, it's honestly, I wish there was more that we could do, 1333 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,040 but. That's that's the biggest 1334 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,280 resource. We need right now it's just 1335 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,800 financial. And are your attorneys? 1336 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,400 Are they publicly defenders? Are they people that are that 1337 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,320 are like a Shipley or something like that that's involved in a 1338 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,880 defense fund? My attorney is Nick Smith. 1339 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,840 We're looking at some potentially get some other 1340 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,800 appellate attorneys as well 'cause we're on the appeal, 1341 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,920 appeal side now. But he's a phenomenal attorney 1342 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,600 and between all of us, we have a really good power team as far as 1343 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,120 legal defense goes. OK, well, we're going to share 1344 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:53,120 all that. And rather than get 1345 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,200 unceremoniously cut off, I want to thank you so much for 1346 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,480 speaking to us today, Ethan. And and hang in there. 1347 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,200 We're praying for you. Thank you, Kyle. 1348 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,320 Thank you for using global Tel link. 1349 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,120 This is Kyle. Hello, this is a prepaid debit 1350 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,680 call from Henry. This is Kyle Serafin. 1351 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,160 Is this Enrique? Kyle, can you hear me? 1352 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:21,400 I can, yes. Can you hear me? 1353 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,440 This is Enrique. Yeah, I. 1354 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,520 Hear you fine. How's my audio coming? 1355 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,720 In it's great. We've got it recorded and it's 1356 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,760 coming in nicely and I want to I'm going to manage the time on 1357 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,360 this if that's cool with you. I'm getting better at doing 1358 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,160 this, which is sad to say, but let's I want to start. 1359 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:36,880 I want to say that you're probably the most maligned 1360 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,760 person. I think your case to me seems 1361 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,120 like the most insane thing I've ever heard being convicted of a 1362 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,360 a conspiracy without ever being part of a thing physically. 1363 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,680 So maybe you would tell people the most important thing, which 1364 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,800 is who you are as a person, where you grew up, you know, 1365 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,200 the, the lens that you bring to, to life and, and, and the family 1366 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,880 you came from. And if you would do that, that'd 1367 01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:57,440 be, I think, illuminating for folks. 1368 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,960 OK, well some of your listeners may know my name, Enrique Tario. 1369 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,400 I was born and raised out of Miami, FL from Cuban parents, 1370 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,160 raised in a very, you know, anti authoritarian home, you know, 1371 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,760 specifically anti communist home. 1372 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,520 And you know, I, like I said, I was born and raised in Miami, 1373 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,640 not AI think I went to a little bit of college. 1374 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:28,440 I'm self educated and I'm very, very, you know, I've, I've been 1375 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,240 a very active activist since 2004. 1376 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,920 And you know, I just, I'm very passionate about, about what 1377 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,480 what I do. What do you think about this 1378 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,040 country growing up, especially with immigrant parents? 1379 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,560 Like what? What did you see this country 1380 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,240 as? And maybe tell me how that's 1381 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:51,080 changed over the last 2-3 years? Well, I'm going to tell you my 1382 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,840 views of the country have completely evolved over the 1383 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,600 course of of these two years that I've been in jail. 1384 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,800 But before that, you know, I felt like the country was going 1385 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,440 in a very poor direction, very negative direction. 1386 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,680 The polarization was seen. I mean, I saw the polarization 1387 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,640 coming a mile away. And I'm a Trump supporter 1388 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,080 simply. And I wanted, that's why I want, 1389 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,600 I supported Trump because I saw him as something different that 1390 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,400 would come in and change the status quo and drain the swamp. 1391 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:29,840 And actually what we saw was, you know, how powerful the swamp 1392 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,000 really was. And I'm sitting here as a 1393 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,360 testament to that. And like you said, you know, I 1394 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,160 get what a conspiracy is. I'm not, I'm not, I don't have 1395 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,240 to be there in order to be charged with the conspiracy. 1396 01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,160 I get that whole notion. But the problem was that I was 1397 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,560 against everything that, that, that they're accusing me of. 1398 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:54,120 You know, I tried to make peace. I tried to, to, to work with law 1399 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:59,720 enforcement before these rallies to keep people safe from people 1400 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,960 that wanted to harm them, from supporters that were being 1401 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,040 harmed by members of Antifa, things like that. 1402 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,720 And I'm paying the price for that now. 1403 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,640 I'm paying the price for that. Yeah. 1404 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,880 Would it surprise you to learn that they were briefing about 1405 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,479 Proud Boys and and sort of considering them a far right 1406 01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,439 organization in 2017 in Washington field by the by the 1407 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,479 head of the domestic terrorism units there? 1408 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,680 I mean, that absolutely does not surprise me whatsoever. 1409 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:36,279 I've this politicization of, of like these, these federal 1410 01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,439 agencies has been around for a very long time. 1411 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,680 And I think a lot of people are waking up to it now. 1412 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,439 But it's, it's, it's, it's been around. 1413 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,720 It's not, it's not, it didn't come around right after Biden 1414 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:47,920 got elected. It's been there. 1415 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,600 Biden has just done a better job at weaponizing him. 1416 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,600 You know, and I've always had a huge respect for the law 1417 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,319 enforcement community. But when you're talking about 1418 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,560 the FBI, you know, they, they are, they are what they are. 1419 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:04,240 They're they're a Gestapo force. Has your opinion on that changed 1420 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,520 over your lifetime? Obviously recently, I think it 1421 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,479 makes sense. Is there? 1422 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,240 Was there something you saw growing up that was different? 1423 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,080 I mean, I started seeing, I started seeing a little bit of 1424 01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,920 it before, but I wouldn't really, it wasn't, it wasn't my 1425 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,160 cup of tea to to focus on that. But yeah, I did see, I did see a 1426 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,560 little bit of change in that. And I thought, and I thought in 1427 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:30,120 2017 with us specifically when it came to to federal agencies, 1428 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,319 I mean, again, when when I would come into city and we'd get 1429 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,880 threats from from other states, I'd reach out to the FBI and 1430 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,240 make sure that, you know, all rally goers are safe. 1431 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:44,080 But I did see that there was a hesitancy from them. 1432 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,840 Yeah, I think it was an extreme lack of knowledge there. 1433 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,960 Having received some of those briefings and being a guy who, 1434 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,399 you know, watched Gavin McInnes and heard him tell the story of 1435 01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:54,800 the Proud Boys many times. It was really strange to listen 1436 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,200 to somebody come up and give a brief and have literally no 1437 01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,680 concept of who they were and and no concept of what you guys were 1438 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,280 about. And, you know, saying things 1439 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,880 that made no sense to me. Maybe. 1440 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,640 Yeah. You've been called a racist in 1441 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,160 in the news media. You've been demonized in a way 1442 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,600 that I think is pretty incredible. 1443 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,960 Maybe talk about what that felt like and and as you first got it 1444 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,400 and then maybe as your thin your skin thickened up. 1445 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,720 So I mean, obviously calling me a white supremacist is probably 1446 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,640 the stupidest practice I've ever heard in my life. 1447 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,400 I'm a very brown individual. I speak better Spanish than I do 1448 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:34,040 English. I have African roots and the 1449 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,800 only thing is I've never taken anything that anybody tells me 1450 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,680 to heart. I've been called every name in 1451 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,280 the book and I don't take it to heart. 1452 01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,480 I actually take it. I take it in stride. 1453 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,120 And I feel like the more they do it, the more effective I, I've 1454 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:52,240 been throughout the years. And it but it does, it does have 1455 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,400 a dampening effect on it because even people on our side that 1456 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,960 don't know that hear these things, sometimes people don't 1457 01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:02,200 want to talk to us because of that. 1458 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,480 And, you know, my mission was to make sure that like, spread the 1459 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:09,560 message through as as many means as possible. 1460 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,880 So, yeah, it does make it a little difficult, but I did take 1461 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,280 it in stride. It didn't bother me 1462 01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,360 specifically. I mean, we've seen, we've seen, 1463 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,400 we've seen them call everything that they've called us they've 1464 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,680 done to just regular Trump supporters, white supremacist, 1465 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,360 white nationalist Nazis. I mean, I could, we could. 1466 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,920 You don't have enough time on this show for me to say all the 1467 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,640 things that I've been called. No, I'm, I'm kind of a fan of 1468 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:33,800 being called those things as well. 1469 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,880 I feel like it means I'm just being an honest human. 1470 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,000 Maybe talk a little bit about we had some kind of high hopes in 1471 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,080 after 2022 with the election and, and, you know, taking the 1472 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,000 speakership in the House. I haven't seen a lot of movement 1473 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,080 by politicians. Have you had any reach out to 1474 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,440 you or any support that you felt that is tangible from the 1475 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:55,360 Republican Party? I have not gotten any, any 1476 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,120 politicians have not reached out to us. 1477 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,720 I've seen, I've heard that some of them are supporting us on 1478 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,240 their social media, specifically with these sentences that were 1479 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,800 handed down between last week and yesterday. 1480 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,360 I, I appreciate that support, but we need more. 1481 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,240 You know, in the next couple days, I will be speaking in 1482 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,760 length about something that happened to me during my 1483 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,320 incarceration. I'll probably be talking a 1484 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,720 little bit more about it tomorrow. 1485 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,960 I'm not sure what medium I'm going to be sharing that, but if 1486 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,000 you want to have me back on and I'll talk about it. 1487 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:34,360 But there is I, I am calling for the weaponization committee, the 1488 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,680 Weaponization of Federal Government committee to shoot me 1489 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,400 a subpoena because I had information that they, I think 1490 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,560 that they would, they would, they would see, it's very, very 1491 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,200 crucial to what that weaponization is. 1492 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,240 I've seen it first hand. I can't really talk about what 1493 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,440 it is on this show, but it is, it is something very explosive, 1494 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,920 something that's going on right now with recent events. 1495 01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,760 And you know what, What bigger weaponization it is than me 1496 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,120 being put in prison for 22 years of my life, 22 years of my life 1497 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,320 for wrong think and speech. You know, I know I'm a rabble 1498 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,000 rouser. I know that that's what I am. 1499 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,880 I know that I speak truth to power and I speak it as 1500 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:22,240 energetically as possible. But it costing me 22 years of my 1501 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,480 life. It's not, It's not. 1502 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,440 It cost me a day of my life is not is not feasible. 1503 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,520 Then these politicians need to step up more. 1504 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,360 But again, I asked the weaponization committee to shoot 1505 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,640 me a subpoena. Then I got information that is 1506 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,560 more explosive than anything that they've ever seen. 1507 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,680 OK, fair enough. Yeah, for starters, you're 1508 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,600 welcome back 100%. You tell me when. 1509 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,160 And the other piece of it is, is that I keep noticing that these 1510 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,640 politicians seem to act like there's J6 is a non winner for 1511 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,840 them and therefore they've just they're hoping it'll go away. 1512 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,320 You guys are obviously in a in a horrible position right now. 1513 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,160 Maybe talk about your understanding of the 1st 1514 01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,360 amendment and and how something like this could happen in 1515 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:08,560 America. I mean, like I told you, me 1516 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,520 being locked away for two years has radically changed my 1517 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,320 position on, you know, how our government works, what the 1518 01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,640 Constitution is and who the American people are. 1519 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,880 I believe we're fighting for constitutional rights that 1520 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,200 haven't existed in this country in a very long time. 1521 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,480 I mean, I hate to say it, but I can't name 1 constitutional 1522 01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:32,600 protection. That is, it is protected. 1523 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,560 You know, we, we're seeing these judges and I heard it, I've 1524 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,680 heard it throughout these January 6 cases where judges 1525 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,520 themselves are saying that the First Amendment is not absolute. 1526 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,880 By God, if the First Amendment is an absolute in our 1527 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,400 Constitution, I don't know what is. 1528 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,040 The Second Amendment doesn't exist. 1529 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,000 You know, I love our doc. I love that founding document. 1530 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,480 But in this country and to this government, it means nothing. 1531 01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,400 It really does mean nothing to them. 1532 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,520 But going through trial has completely disgusted me on how 1533 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,600 this justice system works. There is no free speech defense 1534 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,400 to, to, to, to this government and the prosecution. 1535 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,480 People are being put in jail for simply protesting something. 1536 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,880 I get it. I get it, and I've set it up a 1537 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,280 million times. If you assaulted a police 1538 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,480 officer, you should do some jail time. 1539 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,440 Not as much as jail time as that they're given. 1540 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,600 You should use some jail time. If you broke something, you 1541 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,160 should be charged with destruction of property. 1542 01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:36,440 You got me. If you trespass, you should be 1543 01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:40,480 charged with trespassing. But if you spoke out against the 1544 01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,240 government, I definitely don't think that somebody should be 1545 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:48,440 charged with sedition. I, I, I, I really believe that 1546 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,640 that, you know, we're in, we're not at a crossroads, I'm sorry 1547 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,320 to say. We're not at a crossroads. 1548 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,480 We've been traveling down the long path for a very, very, very 1549 01:15:58,480 --> 01:15:59,960 long time. OK. 1550 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,400 And if you speak out against it, here's another thing about 1551 01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:04,720 members of law enforcement and free speech. 1552 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,360 I, like I said, I try to work with enforcement as soon as I go 1553 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,720 ahead and, and I get to a city to make sure that everything's 1554 01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,000 peaceful. I tried to bring one of those 1555 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,040 law enforcement officers into our trial as a witness. 1556 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,240 And guess what happened to him, Kyle? 1557 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,440 I don't know. They went to his house and they 1558 01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:28,040 told him that if he were to testify, that they would put him 1559 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,440 in jail. And you know what he told me? 1560 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:32,600 He's like, look, I can't do it. I can't risk my job. 1561 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,920 I can't risk my family. You know what they did 10 days 1562 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,960 after they convicted us? They arrested that gentleman. 1563 01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,040 He's a Lieutenant. Of the Force he's. 1564 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,360 Been with Metropolitan Police Department for 22 years as a 1565 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,640 Lieutenant in the force. OK, if you go against this 1566 01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,360 government, they are going to put you in jail. 1567 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,400 I don't know how to fix it. I don't have a solution, but I 1568 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:58,560 know that we're not doing enough. 1569 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,160 I 100% agree. My podcast this morning was 1570 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,400 called Post Constitutional America and for some reason 1571 01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:07,520 we've allowed it to get to this point and I think a lot of us 1572 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:08,880 had our heads down. We're trying to do something 1573 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,160 else and we looked up and suddenly a lot of this country 1574 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,560 is gone as as far as what you're looking at, what, what are your 1575 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,960 appeals look like? What is your your attorneys sort 1576 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,520 of ambitions going forward? And obviously you have to push 1577 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,760 this thing. But is there, you know, are you 1578 01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,240 feeling OK about how that might look? 1579 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,320 Are you have any hope going forward? 1580 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,760 I do have hope, I just don't know what that hope consists of. 1581 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,760 We are going to appeal, but we're appealing to the same 1582 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,120 justice system that put us in here in the 1st place. 1583 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,640 I mean, I, I, I get it. I'm going to appeal. 1584 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,840 It's a 5 1/2 month trial. So there's a lot to appeal. 1585 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,440 A lot of things that happened that I feel that I didn't, I 1586 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:50,600 didn't agree with the judge. I respect the judge's opinion on 1587 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,280 a lot of things, but I just disagree with him wholeheartedly 1588 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,760 on some of those things. And the government, you know, 1589 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,640 the government has been disgusting through this whole 1590 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,040 process. You know, the, the, the things 1591 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,040 that they've done is, is, is is unheard of, you know, trying to 1592 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,520 put people in jail for decades for this is, is gone. 1593 01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:11,920 My attorney is having a press conference tomorrow. 1594 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,120 I don't know how to tell you guys how to get it out. 1595 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,440 But Naive Hassan, he's having a press conference tomorrow as far 1596 01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:23,920 as my appeals go. And, you know, I'm just trying 1597 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,720 to, I'm just trying to navigate, you know, and I'm not, I'm not a 1598 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,400 type of person. I'm not going to ask for a 1599 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,840 pardon if if President Trump comes back in, I'm not asking 1600 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,440 him for a pardon. I'm asking him to take a look at 1601 01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:41,960 our case, take a look at our case and see if justice was 1602 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,880 served. I guarantee you already know the 1603 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,320 answer. Well, I think a lot of people 1604 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,200 have that same sense and they're nauseated by it. 1605 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,040 Like the producer and I were having the same conversation. 1606 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,080 It's like, it's so disgusting. Like, where do you even begin? 1607 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,480 How can people support what you guys are about? 1608 01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:57,600 And I know we're going to run up on the one minute warning here 1609 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,040 in just a second. So like, what can people do to 1610 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,880 from where they're at right now to help you out? 1611 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,120 OK, so to help, I'm not asking for help for myself. 1612 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,680 My family is the one that needs it. 1613 01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,840 The website is Tariel. Sam, you have one minute 1614 01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,960 remaining. Of course, of course it breaks 1615 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,480 me off. It's Tario familyfunds.org. 1616 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,720 That's TARRIO familyfund.org. If you guys can help us out, I 1617 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,840 mean, you know, that'll go a long way. 1618 01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,280 I've never really asked for money. 1619 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,400 This is my first time that my family is asked to help them out 1620 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,320 because they're they're struggling right now. 1621 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,080 And that's the most important thing to me. 1622 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,440 Family, you know, I'm, I'm, that's, that's the order of 1623 01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,680 things. Patriotism and my country is not 1624 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,440 on my top priority list anymore. I'm sorry to say that, but it's 1625 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:50,400 my God, my family and my tribe, and my tribe is the American 1626 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,520 people. Yeah, the ones that still care 1627 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:53,560 about what used to be there, right. 1628 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,920 I really appreciate you spending the time with us. 1629 01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,000 And and like I said, you're you're welcome to come back and 1630 01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,240 talk to us. Any message you want to share 1631 01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,440 here, you can always come back and talk. 1632 01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:04,000 And I praying for you guys and share all those websites. 1633 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,360 I don't want to get cut off by the by the buzzer here. 1634 01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,520 OK, Thank you. Thank you, Kyle. 1635 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,040 Appreciate you. Thank you. 1636 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,240 God bless you. You too ladies and gentlemen, 1637 01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,160 you have been listening to the Kyle Seraphin Show Streamed live 1638 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:20,440 every weekday at 0930 Eastern Time. 1639 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,360 That's 8:30 here in Texas, America. 1640 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,840 Streamed live from Liberty Hill, TX, America. 1641 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,400 A troubling picture of America men behind bars for seditious 1642 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,280 conspiracy, probably the most absurd use of our justice system 1643 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,800 yet. And and that last one from 1644 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,520 Enrique was probably the most troubling for me, a man who 1645 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,360 wasn't even physically in DC on the time. 1646 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,000 We will try to put out some information about that press 1647 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,960 conference when I have it. You can watch my Twitter feed. 1648 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,120 So follow me at Kyle Serafin and I will get that out there. 1649 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,560 We want to say thanks to all of the the folks in the live chat. 1650 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,760 You guys are are the best. There is no one better. 1651 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,320 Thanks to all of our new sponsors of the channel, which 1652 01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,240 is going to be the subscribers. You can always do that. 1653 01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:01,800 You can join in the chat if you like at rumble.com/kyle 1654 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,840 serafinrumble.com/kyle Serafin for our bumping live chat at 1655 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,160 0930 Eastern folks. We also really appreciate all of 1656 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,360 the the five star reviews. Here is another one, almost 700 1657 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,880 right now on Apple. This one is written by Minnesota 1658 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,640 native MN says American Patriot five stars. 1659 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,400 I first heard you when you were interviewed by Dan Bongino. 1660 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,520 You talked about the chop zone in Minneapolis. 1661 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,280 I'm from M and I'm from Minnesota and I had no idea that 1662 01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,280 was going on. Your podcast is very refreshing 1663 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,440 and informative. Keep up the amazing work. 1664 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,600 Minnesota native. We're happy to bring you news 1665 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,880 wherever we can and unfortunately it's not always 1666 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,200 good news in this in this climate, but we will keep doing 1667 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,160 it. I'm glad you're refreshed and 1668 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,360 we're really appreciative of the five star review folks, if you 1669 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,160 want your five star review read, click on the link below in the 1670 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,400 show description and you too can have your review read. 1671 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:49,920 We appreciate those five star views. 1672 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,960 They are fantastic and they do bump us up. 1673 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,320 Please follow my producer Ryan Matter, who did some outstanding 1674 01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,880 work making sure sure we got this recorded. 1675 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,840 You can follow him on Twitter at Ryan Matta media. 1676 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,240 There he is right there. The man, the myth, the legend 1677 01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,840 and you can find him on true social at Ryan Matta. 1678 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:10,080 That's MATTAMATTA. Ryan Matta follow him as well. 1679 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,720 Folks, don't forget to like this show. 1680 01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,840 Make sure that the the thumb is green. 1681 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,280 I know Eric Jason's in there riling you all up making sure 1682 01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:21,080 that the the like is freed. Hit that that thumbs up and I 1683 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:21,960 don't know, pray for this country. 1684 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,240 Pray for these men. If you can help them out 1685 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,080 financially, we will share all their gifts and goes in the show 1686 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,560 description so you can find all of them. 1687 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,640 If you want to pick one that you rotate through, I think that 1688 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,120 would be a fantastic use of an extra 5 or 10 bucks. 1689 01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:33,920 These things really do stack up if there's a lot of you out 1690 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,720 there and I've seen it with my own eyes that it can make a 1691 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,480 really big difference in people's lives. 1692 01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,400 So we do appreciate it and I know I'm going to be giving to 1693 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,280 them as well. I just, I feel like the 1694 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,640 injustice is so strong. Pray for this country, pray for 1695 01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,520 each other, pray for these men and we'll see you again. 1696 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,640 Thanks so much. Thanks for listening to the Kyle 1697 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,560 Seraphin show, streamed live weekdays on rumble.com/kyle 1698 01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,840 Seraphin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, True 1699 01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,160 Social and Instagram at Kyle Seraphin.