1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,520 agent Kyle Serafin. Well, hello my friends. 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:23,640 Welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Today is Thursday. It is May the 2nd, is that 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,840 right? That's what it says on the 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,000 computer here. May the 2nd, we just got raided 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,280 by the Amrad Pod. 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You can go to catholicvote.org 73 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,440 and get the loop if you want to get the best 2 to 3 minutes of 74 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,080 emails. And they also actually are 75 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,120 putting links to our new little podcast that we're doing with 76 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,960 them called Between the Lines. Long form commentary, but it's 77 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,800 still a short podcast. Does that make sense? 78 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,040 It's a long on one topic as opposed to what we do today 79 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,560 where we're hitting more and more current events. 80 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Let's not waste any more time. Let's bring the man and my 81 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,600 friend, there he is. Well, I got to unmute you up 82 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,880 here on the click stand by Mr. Steve Baker. 83 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,520 Steve, welcome back to the program. 84 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,440 Morning, Kyle. How are you today? 85 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,480 You look very dapper. I like that purple on you. 86 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Hey, thank you. Thank you. 87 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,120 I I'm just trying to explore my inner queerness this morning. 88 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,080 You know the stop. How dare you? 89 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,200 Oh. That's too well, no, I no, I I 90 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,400 just. I just read this article by the, 91 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,040 or at least a post from the Oversight Project at Heritage, 92 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,960 posting some new governmental initiative in our farming 93 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:12,240 community to bring queerness to our farming community. 94 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,760 Because the Lord knows that for our food development that is the 95 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,519 most important thing, that we need to make sure that everybody 96 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,079 is well fed and and our food supply is safe. 97 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,320 With queer people. Queerness. 98 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,000 Queerness. Everybody who's ever been around 99 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,160 a farm knows that's actually one of the most important things 100 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,680 that all farmers discuss is sexuality. 101 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,080 It's usually referred to as husbandry though, and they're 102 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,320 just talking about whether the right animals are getting on top 103 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,720 of the other right animals. So maybe we're trying to do some 104 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,680 cross pollination there. Some explore the sexuality of 105 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,120 animals. Can you even use that word 106 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,720 husbandry anymore? Is that that sounds rather 107 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,360 politically incorrect. It probably is, but I'm fairly 108 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,040 confident that's the scientific term on it. 109 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,000 There are entire degrees in the in agricultural universities 110 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:01,800 which are even those can't get away from the fact that male 111 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,520 plus female equals little babies. 112 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,760 And then you get more whatever you're looking for, right? 113 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,280 I just remember, you know, growing up in and being out in 114 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:12,680 the rural areas of Louisiana, we had to move around the 115 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,160 implements of husbandry on the highways. 116 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,840 I have. I have a question for you. 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,720 As someone who grew up in that area, is it possible that the 118 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,160 state of Louisiana's primary export are mosquitoes? 119 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,080 Well, believe it or not, there's a state that's worse than 120 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,800 Louisiana with regard to mosquitoes, and that's 121 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,760 Minnesota. Minnesota is. 122 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,600 You wouldn't think so. Land of Lakes, though. 123 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,280 That far. What's that? 124 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:39,840 Land of Lakes. It's the water thing. 125 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:40,680 That's. It, that's it. 126 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,280 You got over 10,000 lakes, You got, you know, 10 gazillion 127 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,840 mosquitoes. So it's it's pretty bad, really, 128 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,480 really bad up there. And I've lived in both extreme, 129 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,760 so I can attest. To that I assume that I did a 130 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,600 walk across the the country. We went from San Antonio, the 131 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Air Force Base there, and we walked all the way out to to the 132 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,560 Panhandle of Florida. And Louisiana was hands down the 133 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:02,680 worst. Although very cool too. 134 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Because like some of the neatest people in the middle of nowhere, 135 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,760 just on rural Route 90 and you're out there or you know US 136 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,840 Hwy. 90 and you're just in the middle of nothing and you can't 137 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,400 see anything. And then suddenly there's a bar 138 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,560 and you know mom and pop bar and really nice people. 139 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 But as we were kind of rocking through this area, we double 140 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,360 timed it past all of the mosquito pits, which are, I 141 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,000 think, growing rice officially. But in reality, it's just 142 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,160 mosquitoes. And we would have black sheets 143 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,920 of mosquitoes that hit on the sweat of our bodies and you just 144 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,600 wipe them off and you'd have just a handful of them and you 145 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,600 probably could eat them if you wanted to die from encephalitis 146 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,560 or whatever they have. All right, let's, let's set up 147 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,280 what we're going to be talking about today, because I think 148 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:40,800 we've got some fun stuff to get into. 149 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,280 We want to talk about the curious case of John Sullivan, 150 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:45,760 which you've been doing some reporting on. 151 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,760 You got some credit from Ryan Riley over at NBC, who you have 152 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,560 respect for, but I don't. So that's always fun when the 153 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,760 curious, the curious respectfulness comes in. 154 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,600 And then I also want to do a discussion about investigative 155 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,640 journalism. We have you actually titled on 156 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,560 the the the lower third here As an investigative journalist, I 157 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,480 think you earn that title. There are others that claim it. 158 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,640 I want to kind of do a primer for folks. 159 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,640 We've done a little bit of this, but the sort of the, the 160 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 critical evaluation tools required to look at novel 161 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,760 information coming in from quote UN quote investigative 162 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,120 journalists and how do we assess whether or not they are in fact 163 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,720 investigating or they're just spewing their own, their own 164 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,320 feelings. So that's where I kind of want 165 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,000 to go, if that works for you. Yeah, absolutely. 166 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,160 Let's talk about John Sullivan. Why is John Sullivan an 167 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,120 interesting case? I want you to kind of set up who 168 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,520 he is, what his relevance was to the January 6th, maybe the the 169 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,600 legends around January 6th and then who he actually was and and 170 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,800 kind of what happened with him. Let me let me lay the groundwork 171 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,080 by saying that just the fact that you and I are going to 172 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,520 discuss this topic here is going to put you and I both yet again, 173 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,240 or should I say even more clearly on a lot of people's 174 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,840 targets. Because you can't, you can't 175 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,320 tell the truth about the conspiratorial sacred cows 176 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,640 without them painting you, you know, with the same brush. 177 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,600 I mean just just, I mean Kyle, look just this morning reading 178 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,360 after you posted that we were going to be doing this today, 179 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,080 I'm seeing people saying that nobody's going to watch this. 180 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,720 I I've got a I've got a a tweet here from a guy that you know 181 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,760 tags you and me and he says that we're part of a multi channel 182 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,440 network of shills that have infiltrated the truth movement 183 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,440 to attack Trump and Q by attacking General Flynn and I 184 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,320 don't even know what that means I. 185 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,400 Don't know what that means either. 186 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,400 But here's the best part. That guy doesn't know what that 187 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,840 means either. Either that I I've come to the 188 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,080 conclusion over the last five or six days especially that these 189 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,360 guys are just making shit up. I mean there's because you can't 190 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:03,400 be as disconnected from reality and completely. 191 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,400 I mean are they that ignorant? I mean I had, I had this this 192 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,320 one guy who's absolutely online saying that he's going to take 193 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,920 me down. He's going to reveal the truth 194 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,320 about me. He's going to reveal the truth 195 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,200 about my connections to all the various underground agencies. 196 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,320 All of the the dark money, all of the the the federal you know 197 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,080 psyops groups and he's he's going to prove it all. 198 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,640 So he leads, he leads that. So this is, this is what he 199 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,600 leads with. He says, For instance, on 200 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,680 January 6th, you didn't even attend Trump's speech so that 201 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:39,520 you could be on the front line to attack the Capitol. 202 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,960 And I'm like, you know, my videos of me at Trump's speech 203 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,600 have been online for over three years. 204 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,960 Factually inaccurate. It takes that, yeah, it takes 205 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:56,360 that much of A of work. I mean, just Googling to prepare 206 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,960 yourself for a statement like that and to lay the groundwork 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,280 for his own veracity and what he's going to do at calling 208 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,400 himself an investigative journalist. 209 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 By the way, I want to there's the ground set. 210 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,720 I set you up. There, it sets up what I think 211 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,040 when we first spoke, the first time that you and I ever sat 212 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,880 down, one of the things that I think I dropped on you that that 213 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,160 has resonated was the idea that January 6th was this American 214 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,440 Rorschach test. When you look at it and tell me 215 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,760 what you see, I know a lot more about the other things that you 216 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,440 see. I can kind of, I can assess the 217 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,000 way that you look at the world and whether your ability to 218 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,720 evaluate things critically or not and so on. 219 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,720 So I'm going to add another thing to it. 220 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:40,720 The way that people reacted to the 2020 COVID hysteria was a it 221 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,760 was a fork in the road for many people, including conservatives, 222 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,360 it was definitely a fork. Like, I think 2016 was a fork in 223 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,280 the road for for people on the left, They decided that they 224 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,800 could either say I don't like Donald Trump, but I'm a human 225 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,520 being and we'll see what happens. 226 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll be bad. 227 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,080 We'll just assess each individual action. 228 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,680 That was the left's fork. And some of them just said no 229 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,880 matter what happens, this guy is Hitler reincarnate. 230 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,640 And so everything he does is bad. 231 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,640 So that was the left. On the right, I think 2020 we 232 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,640 went and we saw people who otherwise believe in systems, 233 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,280 they believe in institutions like the media. 234 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,560 If it's on, like I've had people tell me, well, it's on TV. 235 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,520 It must be like, they must have checked that, right? 236 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,680 It's like, well, no, you don't know how TV works or radio or 237 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,800 anything else or podcast, but but people had an opportunity 238 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,960 and they divorced themselves from all of these pillars, these 239 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,840 anchors that help them kind of, like root their sanity in some 240 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,680 sort of grounding. And that was the medium. 241 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,240 And that was law enforcement. It turns out it was public 242 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,520 health, it was the medical institutions and it was 243 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,640 government because public health and government were intertwined. 244 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,240 The media was out there pushing the narrative the the the law 245 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,080 enforcement was the ones actually out there on the front 246 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,880 lines shutting down business and so on. 247 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,400 And so they said all these things are are off, all bets are 248 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,080 off. And they had two options. 249 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,440 Trust no one, which is the old X-Files piece, which is why I 250 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,800 actually have The X-Files on my wall. 251 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,320 I have that little I want to believe, but also trust no one 252 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,680 or they did what this guy just did which is that any thought 253 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:09,400 that I have that leaps to my head is good enough because 254 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,320 that's apparently what that what these institutions are doing. 255 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,200 So now I'm going to participate in being whatever, say whatever 256 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,280 I say goes. No facts required. 257 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,520 So with that said, let's talk about John Sullivan and piss 258 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,600 everybody off. Let's do it. 259 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,920 Because that's what. That's what ultimately happens 260 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,320 whenever I talk about this character and I, and I have to, 261 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,960 and I have to also precursed this, this conversation by 262 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:40,600 saying much of what I have personally dismantled about John 263 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Sullivan's conspiratorial reputation over the last six or 264 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,400 eight months since I've been working on his story has been 265 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:52,720 dismantling my own presuppositions, my own 266 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,200 preconceptions, my own misconceptions about him. 267 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,960 Because I also bought into not just not just a a false 268 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,880 narrative, but one that you know, had a pretty solid 269 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,040 foundation. In fact, at least there was 270 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 history. At least there was a lot of 271 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,440 video of this guy doing controversial thing. 272 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,240 There's a lot of video of this guy doing antifa things. 273 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,960 There's a lot of video of this guy calling for the, you know, 274 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,360 throwing, you know, taking, ripping Trump out of office, you 275 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,360 know, before the November election. 276 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,640 There's a video of this guy carrying scary weapons around 277 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,320 and wearing black block and selling that stuff on on his 278 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:47,920 website and in making insightful speeches in in that whole Black 279 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,520 Lives Matter activist space. There's plenty of history there. 280 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Before we get too deep in, start with that. 281 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,360 Well, let me just give people the the context too. 282 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,560 John Sullivan, many of you guys have seen him. 283 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,000 He was the guy that filmed the last few moments of Ashley 284 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,160 Babbitt. He filmed the, the, the shooting 285 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,880 and he's the guy that sold it to CNN, which I understood like 286 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,040 we'll get into where that went and monies and all that kind of 287 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,960 stuff. But he was on the ground on 288 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,040 January 6th. Many people said he was the the 289 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,880 best evidence that Antifa was the ones actually leading this 290 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,680 charge. He's kind of is he mixed race or 291 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,240 is he? Is he part black? 292 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,000 He's got darker skin. Yeah, he he's adopted into a 293 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,960 white family. He and his brothers are all 294 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,120 black young men adopted into a black family. 295 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,120 But you'll see him with the goatee and the mustache. 296 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,760 If you if you've seen the photos, you've seen him with 297 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,440 like I think a camouflage Trump had on some of the photos of 298 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,320 this going around. He's got kind of like the the 299 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,320 net Gator on. So as you guys were thinking 300 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,720 about January 6th, and you're thinking of the evidence that 301 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,080 there was a bunch of Antifa people running around, John 302 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,120 Sullivan is the face of that evidence for most people. 303 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,440 And Steve Baker's good, you know, went after the sacred cow 304 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,440 of this must be true. So you've been digging into it 305 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,960 wherever you want to go with it. Yeah, well it starts just two 306 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,880 weeks after January 6th. I interviewed his brother. 307 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,040 You know the the the one thing that must be understood by most 308 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,840 people is that John Sullivan, when he was there on January 309 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,720 6th, for whatever his purposes were and whoever else he was 310 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,880 connected with or not, whatever his background was or not, he 311 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,080 was in fact there shooting a documentary. 312 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,240 Or actually, this young lady by the name of Jade Sacker, who was 313 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,600 actually an established documentarian, had chosen to do 314 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,400 a story on John and his brother James. 315 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,720 They were poor opposites politically. 316 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,800 They had a unique background. They had they were adopted, 317 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,160 black kids adopted into a white Mormon family. 318 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,000 The father was a retired Lieutenant Colonel in the Army. 319 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,440 And so there was a unique story. So you've got this one brother 320 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,080 that has gone hard left in his activism. 321 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,920 The other brother's gone hard right in his activism. 322 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,440 One of them is apparently associated with Antifa and BLM. 323 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,600 The other guy is associated with the Proud Boys. 324 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,640 OK, so that's the that's the basic understanding. 325 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,560 So this girl comes in unique story. 326 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,160 I'm going to do this. So when she came to DC on the 327 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,800 5th, she was there to follow John around and whatever his 328 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,960 activities were going to be as part of the documentary process. 329 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,000 It's what you do when you're a filmmaker. 330 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:26,000 And so that that was the the the function of their day on on the 331 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,000 6th and then two weeks after that and then of course after 332 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,960 all that we saw from John Sullivan and I I consider him at 333 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,560 least one of the top three top five most significant figures, 334 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,120 certainly most interesting figures of January 6th of all of 335 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,840 them and in in the in that learning as quickly as I did 336 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,320 about his brother. I managed to get his brother on 337 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,600 a podcast just two weeks later and interviewed him and his 338 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,160 name's James Sullivan and James proceeded during this time to 339 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,200 tell me a string of lies that I did not know was a string of 340 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,800 lies at the time. Turns out the brothers don't 341 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,359 like each other very much at all. 342 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,359 They are, they are highly competitive. 343 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,960 They are not Blood Brothers by the way. 344 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,520 They were adopted by, you know, from two different black 345 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,480 parentages. And so they were brought 346 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,440 together into this family and they became very competitive as 347 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,400 teenagers and sometime in their late teens, they actually became 348 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,040 very estranged. And then over the last several 349 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,480 years haven't spoken to each other at all, but they've spoken 350 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,560 about each other quite a bit more. 351 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,600 So James about John and John about James and and then 352 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,760 suddenly with all of this attention that John earned on 353 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,360 January 6th because of that video he shot, look we we we 354 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:53,360 would have known about John for his antics on January 6th, but 355 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:56,480 we would have never considered him one of the most interesting 356 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,680 figures except for the fact he caught the definitive video of 357 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,440 the day. He caught the single most 358 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,680 dramatic video of the day, somebody being killed by a law 359 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,040 enforcement officer. All right, So with that, with 360 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,120 that said, and then he was on Anderson Cooper that night with 361 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:15,800 the this filmmaker, Jade Sacker. So talking to his brother, his 362 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,800 brother proceeded to tell me what you know, I had no reason 363 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,880 to not believe him. And you know, I have my own 364 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,960 worldview and I have my own presuppositions about how the 365 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,080 world works. And here's the brother that 366 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,520 ostensibly is coming from the right side of the political 367 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,480 Ledger, which I of course, learn more to anyway. 368 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:42,200 And so consequently I took what he told me about John's 369 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,600 activities that day, as you know as as truth to the point that 370 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,440 for at least two years I just assumed that what he told me was 371 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,760 correct. That John for instance, had been 372 00:18:53,760 --> 00:19:01,880 recruiting for some many weeks A to bring an entourage of Antifa 373 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,680 or his followers to DC that day. And there is some discord 374 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,600 channels where in fact John was making the attempt to do that 375 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,920 and he was putting the invitations out there and he was 376 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,680 posting that they were going to meet and have a a confab at the 377 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,080 Washington Monument at 11:00 AM on January 6th before they went 378 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,200 and did all of their, you know, dastardly deeds. 379 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,080 And so that was the plan. And then he told me that that 380 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,640 morning in BLM Square, early that morning that John was there 381 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,040 with boxes full of trump hats handing them out in BLM Square 382 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,200 to all of the followers that would wear those trump hats and 383 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:43,840 and then obviously go in and start doing their destructive 384 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,240 processes as Antifa is known to do. 385 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,960 And so that and John was going to leave that. 386 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,280 If we were going to call, if we were going to be in the 387 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,360 statement of facts, the the affidavit, this would be the 388 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,880 hereafter known as the plan would be throwing on Antifa hats 389 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,520 or throwing on Trump hats and going and doing Antifa stuff, 390 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,920 you know, essentially as Trump supporters. 391 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000 That's exactly right. And that he was also part of 392 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,600 that plan was is that they were his followers from all over the 393 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,280 country were going to embed themselves in all of these 394 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,560 buses. So the local buses, you know 395 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,320 these groups, right wing groups that were advertising or pro 396 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,680 mega groups were advertising that we're going to take 50 397 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,880 people from such and such a town in Kansas or whatever and we're 398 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,560 going to go to DC and that they were going to surreptitiously 399 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,720 embed themselves in those in those groups and that's how they 400 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,440 were going to all arrive and get there. 401 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,920 So this was the plan and and some other details as well. 402 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,120 So I carried that with me for the next couple of years, but I 403 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,920 never forgot about Sullivan. And then all of a sudden 404 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,880 basically Sullivan dropped off of the the radar stream of the 405 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,480 mainstream media by if you anybody can Google this if they 406 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,800 want to. By July of 2021, he was no 407 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,080 longer discussed. He had some legal proceedings. 408 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,360 Obviously there were there were things happening in his case 409 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,880 because he was arrested. He was charged with a series of 410 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,880 crimes, including felonies. That day he had received 411 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,040 payments for his video of Ashley Babbitt being killed in excess 412 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,560 of $90,000. He received $35,000 from CNN, 413 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,840 $35,000 from NBCA. Few other chunks of change from 414 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,200 some other agencies around the country, but the bottom line is, 415 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,720 is that once he was arrested, the government sees that money 416 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,160 because ostensibly you're not supposed to profit from 417 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,080 participating in an illegal event. 418 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,920 So that's their justification for seizing that money, I think 419 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,920 by the time they got it. Do you want to tell people, 420 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,280 like, how exceptional that amount of money is? 421 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,320 Everyone thinks that if you catch this like great shot that 422 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,080 suddenly you're going to be wealthy, like even $90,000. 423 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,800 It's a lot of money, but it's not that much money. 424 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,520 You know that that could be gone in a year. 425 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,040 You caught a pretty good video as well I would say one of the 426 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,400 top few most definitive videos right of of Ashley Babbitt 427 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,240 actually being wheeled out and that resulted in what kind of 428 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,920 payments do you ballpark I've. Probably made over the last 429 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,840 three years, somewhere in the realm of about 3 grand off of 430 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,240 that video. So 90,000 is relatively 431 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,960 exceptional which is it's you're not usually paid for the content 432 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,840 that you catch, it's usually the the duration of the video. 433 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800 You're paid by the minute or by the second, you know, some sort 434 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,440 of thing of that and then a little bit of a bump based on 435 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,080 how noteworthy it may have been. Yeah, that's that's about it. 436 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,680 So for, for instance, when HBOHBO licensed my videos 437 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,640 directly for their documentary, which came out I think in 438 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:41,160 November of 21, and they, they licensed a dozen clips from me 439 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,000 and and the and the the basic rate for documentary work and 440 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,160 for film work is about $1000 a minute. 441 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,400 All right, those 12 clips, it did not even add up to a minute. 442 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,480 It added up to about $700.00. All right, so that, so you know, 443 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,400 I got a credit on a an HBO documentary, but my grand total 444 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,640 was 700 bucks out of the whole, the whole thing. 445 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,280 And then they only used like 4 clips, of course licensed 12, 446 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,840 they used four and that that's how it works. 447 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,200 Right. I just wanted people to have 448 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,720 that clarity of of vision. One the the discrepancy between 449 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,680 the cost and and obviously that was the video of the day but 450 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,240 still 90 grand is very high and you caught some others that were 451 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,240 in in close running to that and that's not where you got paid. 452 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480 Maybe so. But bottom line it, Bottom line 453 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,320 is, is is. You're not going to get wealthy 454 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,280 off of one of those. You got to be a guy out there 455 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,120 doing it every single day, like DG on the scene or Fort Fisher 456 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,120 or some of these other guys that are professional riot chasers. 457 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,080 And they're they always seem to be in the right place at the 458 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,480 right time, you know? But you know when you when 459 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,240 you're the same, when you're the same guy that catches Kyle 460 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,840 Rittenhouse's, you know, three shots, and you're also the same 461 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,520 guy that catches the first barricade breach at the January 462 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,120 6th and the 1st breach of the doorway on January. 463 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,680 That's a You got a you got a golden horseshoe up your 464 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,880 investigative ass, I would say, but. 465 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,200 Well, some people, I mean that's just an exposure thing, right? 466 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,520 If you're if you're at enough places, eventually you're going 467 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,840 to be in the right place. And I think anyone who's been in 468 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,080 crowds that are that are non friendly, you start getting a 469 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,360 sense of reading a crowd. Reading a crowd is just like 470 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,720 watching guy. I've been on rivers before. 471 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,760 You've probably done this too. You get on a river and somebody 472 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,000 tells you, oh that that's where the rock is and there's this 473 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,240 there. They can see the hydrology by 474 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000 just looking at the top of the water and they know what's 475 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,640 underneath it. I don't know what's underneath 476 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,040 it. People who chase crowds like 477 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,720 that, they start feeling that energy. 478 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,800 They know where things are about to get spicy and they angle 479 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,440 themselves, but it takes, you know, exposure to it. 480 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,800 So anyway, OK, so that's what's going on. 481 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,960 John Sullivan gets the $90,000 hit. 482 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,520 He has the money taken away because you can't profit from 483 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,960 your crime. He's been charged and he 484 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,880 disappears off the radar somewhere in 2021. 485 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,200 In July, you said. Yeah, yeah, July 21 he goes 486 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,960 away, he disappears. The only appearance he or 487 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,040 mentioned whatsoever is on the 1st anniversary of January for 488 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,280 or January 6th on of 22. He did a couple of local 489 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,120 television appearances out of Salt Lake City area where he was 490 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,880 lived because understand, he was also under house arrest at the 491 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,200 time because he was not. He was not put in pretrial 492 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,920 detention. A lot of people go, well, see, 493 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840 he's obviously a plant. He's obviously a fed. 494 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,560 He's a favored son of the government narrative because he 495 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,200 wasn't put in pretrial detention. 496 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,840 Well, he wasn't put in pretrial detention as most of those who 497 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,760 were nonviolent were not. There are a couple of exceptions 498 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,880 like Enrique Atario, Stewart Rhodes, Ken Harrelson, the 499 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520 Oathkeepers that were not violent, that were also put in 500 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,640 pretrial detention. But that that's a whole another 501 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,240 can of worms and a genuine conspiracy that we'll we'll just 502 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,720 say. But the the the point being is 503 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,560 that he did disappear completely. 504 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,640 There were just hundreds and hundreds of motions and things 505 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,480 filed back and forth. There was a lot of legal work 506 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,320 taking place behind the scenes. It was just not being covered by 507 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,320 the press at all. And again, the conspiracy is, 508 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,120 well, that they were covering it up. 509 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,920 No, they're just that's just the way that those, these legal 510 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,600 affairs correspondence with mainstream media work that they 511 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,680 don't typically cover all of the back channel stuff that's going 512 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,200 on between trial attorneys and the government, the prosecutors, 513 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800 and what the judge's minute rulings are and things of that 514 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,960 nature. Unless it's Donald Trump, then 515 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840 we hear, you know, everything. We hear every time one of them 516 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120 flushes a toilet. But that's the that's the 517 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,320 difference between a a figure like John Sullivan and Donald 518 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Trump. But he did popped back up on my 519 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,720 radar screen because I was actively watching and waiting 520 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,200 for when his trial would happen. Because I had the misconception 521 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,760 that in fact maybe they were trying to make this guy's, you 522 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,960 know, crime sins, whatever go away. 523 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,880 Because he had a he had a couple of judge changes. 524 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,520 Interestingly, another thing added to his conspiracy theory 525 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,640 is his first judge was named Sullivan. 526 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,520 So you know, with me, I, I've had people ask me online but 527 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,360 wasn't wasn't you know, he related to the judge. 528 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Was the judge's dad. Was the judge's uncle. 529 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,120 You know, think things of that nature, right? 530 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Because that's how the system works. 531 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,080 The system is so blind that we're willing to give a kid into 532 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,840 the same courtroom as his dad. Yeah, by the way, his dad was a 533 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,480 was an adoptive father, as you mentioned. 534 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,720 So even that's funny. So it's like. 535 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,000 Right, right. And and then and then to make 536 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:32,800 conspiratorial matters worse is the fact that John and James 537 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,320 Sullivan's father, being a former or retired Lieutenant 538 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,920 Colonel from the Army, he had the same name exact same name as 539 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:48,840 an Air Force general actually involved in the intelligence 540 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,560 community and with some controversial past actually 541 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,960 reprimands from the government in in in that regard. 542 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,960 So to this day, that persists is that the Air Force General is 543 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520 his dad, and therefore obviously he's connected. 544 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,360 It doesn't matter how many times you set the record straight 545 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,480 there, they just don't believe me. 546 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,640 Well, this is, this is something we talk about in this program a 547 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800 lot, the illusory truth effect, which is to say that once 548 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,640 something gets lodged in someone's brain, then they are 549 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,680 unwilling to let that depart with novel and accurate 550 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,520 information. They hold on to the old lie 551 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,520 instead of the new truth, which is which is now being exposed. 552 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,640 So that's part number one. But the other thing it also 553 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,880 tells us just how uncritical those out there making comments 554 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,080 who are fully, fully comfortable saying things that are 555 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,840 absolutely false, making allegations that you or I are 556 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,080 getting a government paycheck that were somehow Deep State 557 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,320 operatives. I saw it this morning. 558 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000 Apparently James O'Keefe was out there talking about how Seb Gork 559 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440 and I work for the CIA. Like all of the stuff is 560 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,000 comically stupid. But if you're willing to, but if 561 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,960 you've given up the anchors of reality and everything, that I 562 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,920 think is a good idea and I'm just going to hold on to it. 563 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,960 And not only am I going to hold on to it, I'm going to scream it 564 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,920 from the roof and say that it's true because I believe it, 565 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,480 that's good enough for me. Then we end up in this world 566 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,800 where John Sullivan could be anything and his dad could be a 567 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,080 general. That's a secret that's, you 568 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,160 know, working against the government. 569 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,040 Like all this stuff is is silliness. 570 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080 But these are all symptoms of a of the of the real disease. 571 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360 The disease is a disconnection from reality. 572 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Which is. But it's the saddest part of the 573 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,160 whole thing, I think, is that people have just given up on 574 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120 trying to find out what is true with a capital T. 575 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,760 And this, and this is how easy it can happen, all right? 576 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,000 I consider myself to be a critical thinker. 577 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,840 I'm a very much a skeptic. I'm not somebody that buys into 578 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,160 conspiracy theories very easily anyway. 579 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:43,000 But I had his brother implant in my mind two weeks after January 580 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:49,960 6th that John was handing out MAGA hats in BLM Square. 581 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,120 So Fast forward, more than 2 1/2 years later, almost three years 582 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,760 later, this kid finally comes to trial, right? 583 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880 And I'm going to be there. I am going to cover this trial. 584 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,680 I'm going to cover the trial of somebody who possibly, quite 585 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600 likely was involved in setting this whole thing up in some 586 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,040 manner, some way. Or what, whatever. 587 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040 That's what I'm thinking going into this trial. 588 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,800 And one of the things, particularly in a trial like 589 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,480 that is that the government is going to put together a video 590 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,640 reel of every single moment of that kids life that's ever been 591 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,080 on video as part of their presentation, which is what they 592 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000 did. But more importantly to me, 593 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,960 having gone into this with the idea now I've seen videos of 594 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,960 John that day, it never registered to me that he was 595 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,560 wearing a Black Hat because James had implanted that thought 596 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,400 in my head. That it was a Red Hat. 597 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Well, that it was he. It was actually a camo hat, but 598 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,160 it was a it was a a camo maga hat. 599 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,480 Right. But but you're what I'm saying 600 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,360 is, is that in your mind this is almost like that change 601 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,280 blindness. You expect to see something and 602 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040 even though you're seeing the reality is different it doesn't 603 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,520 necessarily enter in that your brain is replacing it with this 604 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,920 new information. Everybody and I think there are 605 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,600 pictures of him but they're from other days where he's wearing a 606 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800 Red Hat with the black Gator. That's the famous picture. 607 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,480 So when that's in your head and that's a famous picture that is 608 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,440 being explained and and you know they do this all the time with 609 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,360 like Trayvon Martin. Everybody has this picture of 610 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,720 Trayvon Martin graduating high school even though he was years 611 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,040 away from that. So all the OR Michael Brown, you 612 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,200 know, this is a game that is played in the media. 613 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,120 Introduce the image and let that sit. 614 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,040 And in the same way, the brother of this guy, James Sullivan, 615 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,480 introduced Red Maga hat into your head. 616 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,720 He's handing him out in the square. 617 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,920 You've seen a picture of him with a Red Maga hat. 618 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,520 So that's in your mind. It's hard to break that out 619 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840 because again, it's that illusory truth effect. 620 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,080 There's a reason why we hold on to that. 621 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,440 I've talked about the biology of it. 622 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240 But, you know, you want to be able to hold on to information 623 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520 that's been repeated. If it's folklore for your people 624 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,840 because it might keep you from eating a Berry that kills you or 625 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,040 in going down a Cliff that's going to end up in your death, 626 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,320 or, you know, some animal that looks friendly but ends up 627 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080 tearing your throat out, whatever that may be. 628 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960 There's a reason why we hold on to these things historically, 629 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,160 like going back into antiquity. But anyway, all right, so we've 630 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,720 got this guy. He's wearing a. 631 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Candle. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm now, I'm now 632 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,520 at the the trial and I'm actually running into and having 633 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,720 conversations in the courthouse hallway in the dining hall with 634 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,520 John Sullivan and his mother. I'm having conversations and the 635 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,400 first thing that I learn is that John Sullivan himself is not the 636 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,200 monster that he even presented himself to be. 637 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,360 And when I say that monster, you know, the left wing, hard left 638 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,160 radical activist, he he was actually very gentle, very well 639 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,040 spoken much. You know he when he's when he's 640 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,960 speaking in front of a BLM crowd, he will do what, you 641 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,920 know, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris do. 642 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,440 They will take on the expectations of that more ghetto 643 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,400 kind of you know, voice, whatever. 644 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,920 He doesn't speak that way at all. 645 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,520 He was raised in a white Mormon military household. 646 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,600 And speaks he. Doesn't talk right. 647 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,320 And he speaks that way and he's very intelligent and so and so 648 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,440 he was a very, very different guy in this, this setting in the 649 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,520 trial itself. Now as I mentioned before, now 650 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,760 we're starting to see the videos and and it's it's more than just 651 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280 a day in the life of Sullivan. They're showing history. 652 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,440 They're showing the day before. But when the day starts, 653 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800 basically you have to understand, not only are there 2 654 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,760 active cameras going almost all day long, I'm talking about from 655 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,120 the time they leave the hotel till the time they get back to 656 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,200 their hotel. You have Jade Sacker's camera 657 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,720 going the documentary and you have his camera going. 658 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240 He has at least one or two cameras going at all times. 659 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840 And then of course all of the other interactions they have 660 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,560 with CCTV, other open source video captured from police body 661 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,280 cams to other people's cell phones, other other 662 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,520 photojournalist in the area. There was an amazing avalanche 663 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:05,640 of video of him on that day, and the first thing that kicked my 664 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,719 ass was no MAGA hat. Ever. 665 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,280 All day. That photo was from Not That 666 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:23,719 Day. And if I had that wrong in my 667 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,159 mind, what else did I have wrong? 668 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,159 And all of this goes back to two weeks after January 6th. 669 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,880 A guy told you there was a box of red MAGA hats. 670 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,639 We're handing them out in BLM Square, and that's going to be 671 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:33,880 the game. And that's what happened on that 672 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,400 day. You've held on to it, you've 673 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,199 internalized it, you've made it true in your mind, and then 674 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,600 you're debunking it by watching the actual video, this novel 675 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,199 truth coming in, presented by the government, which is going 676 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,920 after the guy. And I have said multiple times 677 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,080 in my writings and in my interviews, podcasts and 678 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,680 otherwise, is that I have changed my mind about incidents 679 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,680 and characters related to January 6th many, many, many 680 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,760 times. Because the more information, 681 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,640 the more new data you get, the more evidence, the more videos 682 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,160 that are are revealed. If you're not honest enough with 683 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,760 yourself to to learn from the new evidence as is presented, 684 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,760 then you're just not an honest broker and you don't deserve to 685 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,760 be doing this job. And so when I was faced with 686 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,640 that situation, the trial is already on. 687 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:34,920 I am now digging apart and I am shredding every preconception I 688 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,080 had. So as far as I was concerned, in 689 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,240 that moment, every single thing that I had carried with me for 690 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:45,440 over 2 1/2 years in my mind about John Sullivan was was all 691 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,840 on the table. There were no sacred cows 692 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,520 whatsoever. Everything was open to 693 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,720 examination, examination at this point and I was open to learn So 694 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,440 what the reality was. This is the critical feature, 695 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,640 and This is why I think that our two topics are going to are 696 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,080 going to blend very well, this mindset of being open to being 697 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,080 wrong, because that's what you're talking about. 698 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680 You had a a preconceived conception or a preconceived 699 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,080 notion of who this man was. You believed it. 700 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,400 You had information that some people would call evidence, but 701 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040 we would more accurately call it was just a data point. 702 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880 That was a guy talking. That guy didn't turn out to be 703 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,960 an honest broker. He was moving some agenda. 704 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,040 You find that out later, but you have this belief based on some 705 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,120 information. And then it's kind of like it's, 706 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,200 I always think of this is like a Pluto. 707 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,280 What is it? Plato's cave, The Cave, The 708 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,720 allegory of The Cave, Right. So if people are not familiar 709 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,160 with this famous allegory, this famous story, it's people 710 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680 sitting and they're looking at impressions on the wall of a 711 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,560 cave. There are some reflections and 712 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,000 they're seeing the shadow and they believe the shadows are the 713 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,520 reality, right up until they step out of the mouth of The 714 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680 Cave and realize that they are just seeing a projection. 715 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,560 It's a shadow. People are also in three 716 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,760 dimensions. They are not just shadowy 717 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,000 figures that are projected on the wall. 718 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,440 And there is so much more depth and reality to it. 719 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,240 And you have to basically throw out all your notions and say 720 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,600 everything that I believed was accurate, that the whole world 721 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,280 was a was just a cave, you know, silhouette show. 722 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,400 It is not that it is. There's more to it. 723 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,600 And I was just sitting in a tiny little area looking through this 724 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,120 tiny little scope. You've done that. 725 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,600 But this is a broader lesson, I think, for the way people need 726 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,040 to be taking in information. Whatever it is that you want to 727 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,800 believe, you should immediately start from the assumption that 728 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,640 it's false and try to disprove what it is that you want to 729 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,240 believe. That's the I want to believe. 730 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,920 But also trust no one attitudes you want to believe. 731 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,800 That's human nature you like. Someone talked to you and he 732 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,840 told you a story. Why would you not want to 733 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200 believe him? Because it's it's tough to think 734 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,480 people sat there and lie to your face or that they don't know. 735 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,040 Anything well it's it's it's especially impactful when the 736 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,240 person telling you this is his brother. 737 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,800 Right. And you and you also haven't 738 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,280 done the background on the brothers yet to find out that 739 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,040 they had been estranged for several years and were bitter 740 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,640 bitter rivals did not like one another weren't speaking I don't 741 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,960 think. I think if I remember what the 742 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,120 the mother told me is that I think by January 6th the two 743 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,120 brothers hadn't even spoken in like 3 years. 744 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,520 But you're bringing this idea that the concept of brother 745 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,240 equals two people that know each other, respect each other, 746 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,520 support each other. All the things that you brought, 747 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,080 That's your lens of looking at the word brother and who this 748 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,800 person would be if this was your brother, perhaps, but but then 749 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,720 you'd find out, like, I've got a brother I haven't spoken to in 750 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,840 eight years, like on his choice, he just, he hasn't spoken to me. 751 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,400 So if you said, oh, this guy has an opinion, you know, he hasn't 752 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,880 seen me in a decade. He doesn't know anything about 753 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,400 what I'm about and but you don't know that if you just take the 754 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,080 word brother and you assign value to it. 755 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,200 So again it's that dismantling all the way down. 756 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,120 This is a guy. This is a biological or a 757 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,200 familiar relationship but it doesn't mean what their actual 758 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,760 personal relationship is. We got to just deconstruct all 759 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,760 this stuff. Yeah. 760 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:50,960 It takes a ton of work. I'm. 761 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,480 Sure you might. Go ahead. 762 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,120 Yeah, and you might. You might, you might have a 763 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,400 brother who is, you know, running a crack house and and 764 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,480 you drop a dime on him to the local cops because you're trying 765 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,640 to save him. You're doing that out of love 766 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,240 for him, you know? So there's there's all of these. 767 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,280 You don't. Or I could. 768 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,560 Or I could be running a crack house and I don't want the 769 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,360 competition, so there could be, you know, there's a lot of 770 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,800 motives that can happen with just the same fact pattern. 771 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,600 Anyhow, I just want people to be critical thinkers and and 772 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,160 distrust what you and I are saying as well. 773 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,120 They should go out there and read it. 774 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,600 They, you know, assume that people are not giving you an 775 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,880 honest take if you don't know what their angle is. 776 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,640 And in the case of the brother, you didn't know his angle. 777 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,440 Yeah. And and I don't, I don't want to 778 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,360 spend this whole time going through every single incident of 779 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,000 John's day, John's life that I believe does not comport with 780 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,680 the conspiracy theories because A, those who have already bought 781 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,080 in are not going to let it go anyway. 782 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,360 They're going to further attack me and you for even having this 783 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,200 conversation. So it doesn't matter anyway. 784 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,840 But but I'll I'll I'll just, I'll give you just an overriding 785 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,800 blanket idea about this to kind of allow us to move move on to 786 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,320 whichever direction you want to go next. 787 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,440 Is that Sullivan? And, And by the way, Sullivan, 788 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,280 John Sullivan and having spoken with his parents, interviewed 789 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,760 both his mom and his father. We don't all agree on. 790 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,240 My final conclusions after I've put everything through my much 791 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,920 more critical thinking filter than I did initially 2, 1/2, 792 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,760 three years ago, after I've gotten infinitely more data 793 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,760 about him, about his life, about his prior career, his career as 794 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,800 an activist in in the BLM ANTIFA space, all of these things. 795 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,440 The one thing that I know about him, and this is my conclusion 796 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,520 and it's not his father's conclusion, is that I believe 797 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,800 that this kid was a wannabe leader in that space. 798 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,480 He actually on his YouTube videos that he posted even after 799 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,880 his arrest when he was not supposed to be involved in 800 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,280 social media because that was one of his pre pre trial 801 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,560 restrictions. He was still posting online and 802 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,600 he was calling. He called himself, he typed 803 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,800 himself out in his titles of his videos. 804 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,160 BLM Antifa leader, he called him. 805 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,600 That's what he called himself. All right. 806 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,320 And that, and that almost always is a role that you choose for 807 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,280 yourself as opposed to a title, somebody else's scribe. 808 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,800 I mean, it's one thing if the media calls you that. 809 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,000 Unless he was being sarcastic, is there any chance he was doing 810 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,680 that in a in a fun way? He that's what he claimed later. 811 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:39,200 So when I interviewed him in the courthouse and talked to him 812 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,200 about that, 'cause I have screenshots of that, I took 813 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,680 screenshots of those, some of those videos and and he indeed 814 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,360 flat out told me that he was trolling by doing so. 815 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,800 I mean, I can't discount that because if you go look at the 816 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,240 bio that I've chosen, I've seen your bio as well. 817 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,120 You and I have a sense of humor that is fairly dry to certain 818 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,240 people, especially in writing. So when I tell people I'm a 819 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,240 constitutional extremist or a civil liberties enthusiast, 820 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,640 that's actually pretty, pretty silly. 821 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,800 That's a that's a joke that doesn't land to everybody. 822 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,280 And they go, well, he's a constitutional supremeist. 823 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,040 It's like, no, no, no. I'm just saying that the basic 824 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,840 liberties should be everybody's business. 825 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,200 I'm. I'm trying to point myself out 826 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,480 that that should be a regular guy thing. 827 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,200 Same way yours. I've seen your pronouns that 828 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,560 you've listed which are funny. It's just some people have a a 829 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,440 take that in plain writing doesn't always convey. 830 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,800 So OK, so he made some arguments that hopefully we're or he was 831 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000 trying to convey. It didn't stop him from being 832 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,520 convicted. No, it didn't. 833 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,320 But but he so I I was. Let me finish up that first, 834 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,320 that first thought and then we'll get into the the 835 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,200 aftermath. Is that what I saw from all of 836 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,240 the video? And I've seen more video than 837 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,440 anybody else. I'm the only journalist that 838 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160 covered every single minute of his trial. 839 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,760 Nobody else did. There were some guys that came 840 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,640 in and out. You know, your your buddy Ryan 841 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,880 Riley. He came in and out of the 842 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,080 courtroom a few times and there was other things going on in. 843 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,840 It's a big courthouse. There's a lot of trials going 844 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,000 on. They're going, they're going in 845 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,880 and out. They're bouncing around. 846 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,200 Yeah. And and you know the guy from 847 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:11,080 Washington Post, guy from WUSA 9, the girl from Gateway Pundit. 848 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,640 They're either there were there were some others that came in 849 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,840 and out but I sat my ass in that hard bench every single day for 850 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,320 5-6 days of that trial and never left. 851 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:27,640 And and so the point being is, is that I I had access to more 852 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,040 information, the good and the bad. 853 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,400 The prosecution and the defense. And then I had more access to 854 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,440 video that nobody's seen because John Sullivan himself has given 855 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,520 me two hours of unreleased video that I've not gotten permission 856 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,120 to release yet. Everybody release it. 857 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,880 Release it. I don't have permission. 858 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,200 That's not how you are. I don't own it, right. 859 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,120 I don't own it. And and so I'm hoping that once 860 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,720 he's transferred to his, you know, wherever he's going to 861 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,840 live out the next five or six years of his life, that 862 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,080 facility, then he will, he will ultimately be processed and be 863 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,960 given access. And I can go sit down with him 864 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,840 and do a jailhouse interview with him and I hope to get 865 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,520 permission either from him or or his family to to release some of 866 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,080 this video. But the is he. 867 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,600 Does he have a criminal record? No, not a not a criminal record. 868 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,400 Although he was arrested at another event of BLM style 869 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,640 protest in Provo, UT that he helped organize. 870 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,040 There was a shooting there and because he was the organizer of 871 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,440 the event, he was arrested, as you know, as a as an accessory. 872 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,360 But the reality was, is that he had no part in that shooting 873 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,560 whatsoever and that he was released and charges were 874 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,400 dropped. So no, no federal criminal 875 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,680 convictions before. So he should be, he should be, 876 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,040 you know, dealing with the first step back as well, which is to 877 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,040 say something like a 50%. He he sentenced to six years, we 878 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,280 should see about 50% in change of that served would be the 879 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,400 expectation. It it well there the yes there 880 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,400 is the first step, but then there is also the January 6th 881 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,120 step, we'll just call it. Basically these guys are being 882 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,760 forced to serve 75 to 80% of their their time regardless of 883 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,360 what you know has and there's controversy about that as well. 884 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,920 Understood but. Essentially, the full six years, 885 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000 maybe not, but he's going to be in. 886 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,840 He's going to do hard time in a federal prison, which is not 887 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,840 going to be a fun thing for him, which is not what you'd expect 888 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,080 for someone who is on the whatever the conspiratorial set 889 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,280 up that was leading the MAGA people to their fates, he he 890 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,040 also went down for this is the real. 891 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,960 Yeah. And I and I and I don't, I don't 892 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,880 have to say this to you, but I'll, I'll, I'll do it as well 893 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,440 anyway, as a test. What do you think the conspiracy 894 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,440 theorists are saying about his six years? 895 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,920 Oh, now we got to make all kinds of excuses. 896 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,720 The mental pretzel work, right? Is that what we're talking 897 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:56,440 about? They're going to that. 898 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,760 It's not going to actually be served or he's going to be. 899 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,160 Yeah, he's going to be, yeah, he's, he's going to be on an 900 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,440 island in Bali somewhere or he's going to be in one of the you. 901 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,560 Know the DOJ luxury hotels that they put you in instead of jail? 902 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,520 Yeah, that's right. That's exactly right, but. 903 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,840 Listen, once, once you go down the rabbit hole of anything I 904 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,320 believe is good enough, then you also can go down the rabbit hole 905 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,280 of fantasy. It's the reason why people who 906 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,400 know nothing about the federal government, who nothing about 907 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,360 the DOJ, who know nothing about the process, who've never seen 908 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,720 this before, who've never paid attention, they have all these, 909 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,600 like, novel ideas, none of which are based in reality or fact. 910 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,480 And so of course, why wouldn't there be a, you know, a DOJ 911 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,320 black site on Bali where you can put your, your most favored 912 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,840 operative so they can serve their time in a nice way. 913 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,600 This is, you know, this is a fantasy world. 914 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,240 Our our government is not that functional. 915 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,360 You've seen a lot of it recently. 916 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,720 I want to give people kind of a little insight on how functional 917 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,520 and how capable the US federal government is at pulling off 918 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,840 anything from what you've been able to see. 919 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,280 Well, the first thing that you always do is you default to 920 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,360 incompetence before you go to malevolence or you know, 921 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,480 malfeasance. How often are you right in that 922 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,680 in? That guess 99% of the time, 923 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,800 because when you're talking about the single the larger the 924 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,400 government, the more incompetent it's going to be by default, you 925 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,920 know by just by rule. And we have the largest 926 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,360 government in the history of the world. 927 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,840 Therefore we have the single most incompetent government in 928 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,960 the history of the world. So you have to start there every 929 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,680 single time. It's a good assessment by the 930 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:27,880 way. Yes. 931 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,080 And so when when with that, with that foundation again laid, you 932 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,480 go back to this overview that I have of Sullivan is that he was 933 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,920 a wannabe in the space. He was actively self promoting 934 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:48,560 to the extent that even the Antipa and BLM groups were 935 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,320 disavowing him, forbidding him to come and associate with them 936 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,600 and participate in their own events. 937 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,680 The the Seattle group before January November of 2020 they 938 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,320 actually put out a a an alert and a bulletin and said don't 939 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,240 let this guy near us. In fact they even said and 940 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:12,960 believed that he was a quote UN quote double agent of the right. 941 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,720 And guess who, guess who believes that? 942 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,040 His own father. Right, of course. 943 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,680 When is there is there an analogue in another space that 944 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,440 we can that we can compare him to as far as somebody that has 945 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,480 this kind of back and forth like whether it be in the media space 946 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,520 that people are are calling you know this kind of double 947 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,360 operator where there's so many conspiracies and many of them 948 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,480 are grounded in non reality. I'm just putting you on the spot 949 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,680 for an analogue of some kind. I'm I'm just thinking of the 950 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,720 ones that I know that are double operatives and that's yeah, 951 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400 that's my too that's the first that's the first things that 952 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,880 come to my mind. You know, you know, there there 953 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,560 are there are journalists, for instance, that are absolutely 954 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,920 mouthpieces for our intelligence community when when the when the 955 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:09,920 IC, the FBICIA or anybody DoD needs to have a CYA story 956 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,600 written for them to help cover or help shape a narrative about 957 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,000 an event. And this has happened with 958 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,400 January 6th, because it's happened decades and decades and 959 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,160 decades. There's a reason why we call it 960 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,800 the Mockingbird. You know, it's it is the IT is 961 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,480 in fact known. And I happen to know of a couple 962 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,840 of them myself that that is what they do. 963 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,040 Yeah, there's one. There's one or two over at the 964 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,000 New York Times and there's one or two over at Newsweek. 965 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,760 And they are friendly sources that are like official, 966 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,440 unofficial channels of disseminating the government 967 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,360 position. What's interesting is those 968 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,600 people are always shown as, like, you know, leaking the 969 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,280 truth like this leaked memo. But that leak is an intentional 970 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,720 leak, which makes it actually sort of like an unofficial press 971 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,160 release. They go right to the folks and 972 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,240 they get their side of the story. 973 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,840 And almost always, it's not like a reveal, it's almost always a 974 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,360 threat. When I look at it, 'cause I know 975 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,400 who these guys are, I can't think of the guy's name over at 976 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,960 Newsweek, but I know his first name is William. 977 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,000 Who am I thinking of? Arkin. 978 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,000 Yeah, Arkin, yeah. So and he did the piece about 979 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,320 the the sort of like the agave and he sort of like released 980 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,360 that. Well, first of all, Steve Friend 981 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,000 and I have been talking about that, about that for a while. 982 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,520 But when you look at it, that's not a reveal. 983 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,800 That's a threat saying we're going to be coming after these 984 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,920 people and you're on notice. And it also tells the people 985 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,800 that are friendly to that going like, look, we're going to go 986 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,160 after these people. Don't you worry about it. 987 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,880 We see them just like you see them. 988 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,600 In any case, there are operatives like this that that 989 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,560 are real. The problem is, is when some 990 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,520 people are an op and other people just act foolishly, then 991 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,400 you get those folks that just everything is an op because they 992 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,000 just get so simple. They're overwhelmed in the 993 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,320 training environment. We would call that like 994 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,920 overwhelmed by circumstances. It's when there's too many 995 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,040 stimuli and you just can't process, you just go. 996 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600 Everybody's a Fed, which is so lazy. 997 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,960 Well and and I and I, like I said, I keep trying to close 998 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,240 this thing up a little bit so we can move on past Sullivan. 999 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200 But let me just give you a couple of a couple of these 1000 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,440 other examples of of what you were talking about here. 1001 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,360 Once they have it and you you mentioned the biology of it and 1002 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,320 and there there truly is a biological function to this 1003 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,840 inability to dismiss the reality that you've created in your own 1004 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,640 mind. But I've had people over the 1005 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,200 last few days since I did this kind of synopsis about Sullivan 1006 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:27,440 on the X after his sentencing hearing on Friday that have sent 1007 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,800 me photos of who they thought was Sullivan. 1008 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,240 Another black guy in the area, even in the area of the OR, or a 1009 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,000 dark skinned guy in the area of the Babbitt shooting and said 1010 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,240 see there he is wearing his red MAGA hat. 1011 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,000 And no, that's not Sullivan and the funny the, the worst ones 1012 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,520 are the ones that send me the photo of that guy from 1013 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,960 Sullivan's camera. So it's it's across the room. 1014 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,120 So Sullivans holding the camera way over here, this guy is 1015 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,080 across the room. They have no idea that that 1016 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,480 photo is coming from his camera, right. 1017 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,640 It's a screenshot from that and they don't know it. 1018 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,840 You know, and it's and and it's it's. 1019 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,200 It's rather it's rather embarrassing when you get into 1020 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,040 the racial aspect of that is you realize you just fell into the 1021 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,800 whole deal of you seen one black guy, you've seen them all kind 1022 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,800 of, because that's exactly what they ended up revealing 1023 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,160 themselves as doing. The best thing is, is I was 1024 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,360 talking to someone the other day about like a, a Chinese 1025 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,440 operative was looking at, you know, probably assume that some 1026 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,760 white guy was the same as another white guy. 1027 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,880 This is, this is, you know, racial stereotypes are are just 1028 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,040 the way we're programmed for our eyes. 1029 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,480 It's pattern recognition. It's laziness. 1030 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,680 But but yeah, that doesn't mean that you're a bad person. 1031 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,280 It just means you should always, whatever it is that you assume, 1032 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,360 you should just try to disprove it. 1033 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,600 Especially when it's coming from the guy's camera that you're 1034 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,520 claiming is the guy and the guy's actually holding the 1035 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,760 camera, as is documented by another camera. 1036 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,680 So in any case, that's very fun. That's a fun little debunk. 1037 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,800 Yeah so but these are these types of things are happening. 1038 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,840 I mean I've had hundreds of these messages since Saturday of 1039 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:11,200 these type no I and they say to you, you can't tell me what I, 1040 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,520 you know what I saw with my own eyes. 1041 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,840 Oh yeah, I can. Cause what you saw with your own 1042 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,200 eyes didn't happen. Right. 1043 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,200 And eyewitness testimony is famously terrible. 1044 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,680 It's full of all kinds of things. 1045 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,640 Reconstructed memory. If you told somebody what 1046 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:25,960 happened or they went out and read news media. 1047 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,160 This is why it's really hard for juries to go out there and they 1048 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,320 have to, you know, a jury of your peers that gives you a fair 1049 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,800 look. That's why it's not, you know 1050 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,160 the why the standard of of proof in criminal cases is so high, it 1051 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,400 has to be, you know, beyond any reasonable doubt. 1052 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,280 You couldn't be a reasonable person who has a doubt. 1053 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,400 You're supposed to be able to do that, and most people don't even 1054 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,760 know what that means. I don't even think people can 1055 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,400 grasp the concept of that in any case. 1056 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,560 And I told. I told. 1057 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680 I told people in my ex thread on Saturday. 1058 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,920 I said if you if you have, I'm opening it up for a Q&A, and 1059 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,040 that's what I called it. I called it a Q&A thread and I 1060 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,960 will take your respectful and reasonable questions. 1061 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:07,200 But as soon as it turns into, you know, this flame war, I'm 1062 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,920 gonna, you know, I'm gonna cut you off. 1063 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,000 I ended up. I know you like to block people. 1064 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,000 I just mute them. I. 1065 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,280 Block them now because I don't want to see the the bar that 1066 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,280 says that they're muted because I don't want to because I know 1067 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,960 I'll click on it because I want to know and I just want to get 1068 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,120 rid of them. I just don't want them to see 1069 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,000 what I'm doing anymore. So I I I spent more time muting 1070 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,200 people this weekend than I ever have in all of my years on 1071 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,640 social media because they can't help themselves. 1072 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,080 They believe what they saw and they send over their evidence. 1073 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,800 That isn't evidence at all. Most people, most of these types 1074 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,480 of people, they think that their theory is evidence and and if I 1075 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,400 don't chase their theory, if I don't investigate their theory 1076 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,000 or their hypothesis or their notion or their hunch that 1077 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,320 somehow, someway, I'm obviously a Fed myself. 1078 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,560 And this is you know kind of probably where we're going to 1079 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,120 go, you know here a little bit more into this call but are this 1080 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,920 podcast. But the the point being that the 1081 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,080 seal up the the the John Sullivan deal is in fact when it 1082 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,840 came down to the end of the trial or by the in the first 1083 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,040 couple of days I kind of felt like that the the government was 1084 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,200 mailing it in a little bit and I was going I even I even tweeted 1085 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,040 about it there you know there I think there's softball in this 1086 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,360 thing he may he may really be you know part of the part of the 1087 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,720 the plan or part of the the the action on J6. 1088 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,760 And then they came out with the long knives Kyle and they were 1089 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,760 brutal. They were brutal. 1090 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,360 They took him down and and they should and and he was he this 1091 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:53,080 kid was a cool collected operator but when they really 1092 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,000 came after him they broke him because he did testify on his 1093 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,720 own behalf. And you know you know the rule 1094 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,400 is there. It's a very very rare person 1095 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,720 that can stand up under the cross examination by the 1096 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,880 prosecutor if it's a good one And he did not stand up Well he 1097 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,880 he he cracked and he lied and he lied on the stand and the jury 1098 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,520 caught the lie and. That's devastating. 1099 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,320 Yeah, your your credibility is gone. 1100 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,320 There's a reason why. Law enforcement officers, The 1101 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,880 minute that you lie on the stand, basically your law 1102 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,760 enforcement career in testifying is over. 1103 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,280 They call. It supposed to. 1104 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,960 Be Yeah, it's supposed to be. It doesn't turn out to be the 1105 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,880 case. But yeah they call that Giglio. 1106 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,040 So you have to be truthful at least to the best of your 1107 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,560 ability or you can always say I don't know which you know that's 1108 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,240 the that's the Jim comedy technique. 1109 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,880 It's like I don't recall or I don't know it's a it's a neat 1110 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,200 trick you can only do it so many times you should recall some 1111 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,840 things if it was your case. But but yeah, you honesty and 1112 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,160 truthfulness, you don't get that back in front of a jury that's 1113 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,880 once it's done, it's done. And and the easiest way to not 1114 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,000 have to worry about that is just saying the things that are true 1115 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,960 and factual and if you're in the right then you're in the right. 1116 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,320 Doesn't mean that the jury's going to you know decide in your 1117 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,280 favor. But I I've never been afraid of 1118 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,240 a cross examination. I I enjoy it. 1119 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,040 That's not debate by the way. That's just you asked for 1120 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,280 information and I will provide it to the best of my ability. 1121 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,000 So interestingly enough he did get knifed. 1122 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,480 He did, you know, get convicted. And six years is not the 1123 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,720 shortest J6 sentence, not even close. 1124 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:20,880 And and interestingly again for a nonviolent offender, the judge 1125 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,040 remanded him into custody immediately after the jury 1126 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,480 pronounced him guilty on all counts. 1127 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,880 And typically that's not the case even with January 6th 1128 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,600 defendants. I know that that's the what 1129 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,960 people think. They think that there's 200 1130 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,920 people being held in the gulag right now with with you know 1131 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,680 without due process and they're being denied a trial and and 1132 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,960 that's not true either. There's like 15 or 16 guys 1133 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,160 currently being held in pre trial detention and that's it. 1134 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,080 Now there's hundreds more who are serving time or have served 1135 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,040 time related to January 6th, but there there's not hundreds being 1136 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,600 held without a trial. That's a that's a another bogus 1137 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,360 misconception floating around. But he was remanded into 1138 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,160 custody, custody immediately and thrown into isolation. 1139 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:14,920 Now, ostensibly and probably rightfully so, the DC jail put 1140 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,960 him in isolation because they were not going to put him in the 1141 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,680 Patriot pod, as they call it, at the DC gulag with the other J 1142 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,080 Sixers. And so they put him into 1143 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:31,640 isolation. And as we know, you know, that's 1144 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,160 torture in and of itself by another, you know, by another 1145 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,400 means. And he spent five months before 1146 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,560 his sentencing hearing in isolation. 1147 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,600 And even my colleagues in the MSM were aghast when they saw 1148 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,640 him in the courtroom. He had been mentally already 1149 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:54,920 broken and he was not healthy. And from a you know, you see it, 1150 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,560 you see it in in in the countenance. 1151 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,040 He was not the same guy they had seen five months before. 1152 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,760 Isolation is is devastating to the human being, you know, We 1153 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,760 all need some outlet of another person to validate that we exist 1154 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,680 in the world. It seems like the whole No man's 1155 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,200 an island game. But you know, Count of Monte 1156 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,120 Cristo style, you can go back and watch Hollywood's partake of 1157 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,560 it and just imagine yourself sitting in a place for five 1158 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,960 months where you got nothing but your own thoughts in a brightly 1159 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,480 lit room, in an uncomfortable bed and nowhere to move around 1160 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,160 and no freedom of movement. And and your thoughts are only 1161 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,800 going to go inward and darker and darker. 1162 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,720 The spiral's going to be there or you're going to find God and 1163 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,440 you're going to be on your knees praying, which some people do 1164 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,680 that as well. And I know friends that have 1165 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,920 done that. So, you know, people cope with 1166 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,160 it, but with no training and no background in that sort of 1167 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,400 thing. And you went out there from, you 1168 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,120 know, trying to be snarky and funny and then you get and 1169 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,440 you're being accused of being one thing. 1170 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,880 They don't, they, they didn't go easy on this guy as the main 1171 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,280 point. And he's not living in Bali, in 1172 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,160 the in the secret DOJ black site for the, you know for the 1173 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,000 participants that that further the regime's agenda. 1174 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,680 Yeah, and and for the people that say I'll believe it when I 1175 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:02,400 see it, Well, I talk to his mother frequently still and 1176 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,680 she's broken hearted. I bet those parents love their, 1177 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,640 they love their son. And just as any parent does, 1178 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,480 regardless of the crime they commit. 1179 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,040 And and and. And they're broken hearted about 1180 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,840 what's happening to him and they're living through the pain 1181 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,440 of that themselves and it's real. 1182 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,320 So this is a real human he did bad things. 1183 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,600 He said scary words just like all the other J6 defendants that 1184 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,400 have been overcharged and over prosecuted and over sentenced. 1185 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,360 Again, whether we're talking about the scary words that 1186 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,560 Stewart Rhodes said or we're talking about the scary words 1187 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,960 that John Sullivan said, if I'm being consistent on both sides, 1188 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:47,680 I come down on the side that this guy was in fact, I I 1189 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,360 wouldn't say wrongly prosecuted, but he was certainly over 1190 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,080 prosecuted. He was over sentenced. 1191 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,120 He did not deserve six years for nonviolent because in by way of 1192 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:02,400 comparison, there were in fact violent offenders on January 1193 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,720 6th, including those who did in fact assault law enforcement 1194 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,880 officers who got less time than this nonviolent defendant. 1195 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,960 Yeah, it's all about profile. It seems like the the higher 1196 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,240 profile gets more time. You know, six years in federal 1197 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,520 prison is more than some sex offenders get under, You know, 1198 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,320 creating child pornography. There's a lot of them, you know, 1199 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,360 massive assaults with serious physical injuries, life altering 1200 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,080 injuries. To the victims on Indian 1201 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,480 reservations, they'll walk away with, you know, 2-3 years, 1202 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,520 they'll be out in 18 to 25 months. 1203 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,720 So these kind of things happen. Six years is a long sentence. 1204 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,880 That is not a guy who was, you know set up for for success and 1205 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,480 is smiled on by the government and they let him out the back 1206 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:42,800 door while they were too trying to do something. 1207 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,000 Anyway, it's it's interesting. The the key is, is that you 1208 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,040 learn how to change your perspective and you and once 1209 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,560 again you you saw your own biases, your own instincts 1210 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,160 coming in from some novel or an initial idea and then you had to 1211 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,360 dissuade yourself of that and that's hard to do. 1212 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,680 The only way you do that is you're constantly self 1213 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,520 evaluating. You said the words I had to, you 1214 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,000 know, tear up every preconception that I had. 1215 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,440 Anything that I that that they were all. 1216 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,960 In your head it it angers, you know, look, I I'm, I'm one of 1217 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,320 those guys that I get mad at myself when I'm when I get 1218 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,440 something wrong. That's why. 1219 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,360 That's why I tell people all the time and I've even done this in 1220 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,560 the you know, Capitol police work that I've done. 1221 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,120 I said, I've told and I've challenged people. 1222 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,600 I've challenged the Sedition Hunters. 1223 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,040 I've challenged the Capitol Police. 1224 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,960 I've challenged the government. The DOJI said if I've got this 1225 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,560 wrong give me the data that proves that I'm wrong and I'll 1226 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,320 write a story about it. And and I I did that recently. 1227 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,040 You know, I I initially did a story, a story of, you know, 1228 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,400 about one. One of my sideline stories about 1229 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,880 officer former officer Harry Dunn was the N word that wasn't 1230 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,120 right. He was claiming the thing that 1231 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,720 actually made him famous was not his heroics. 1232 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,440 That was all built up. Later he created that scenario 1233 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,720 after he was made famous by the press for going out and saying 1234 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,840 that inside the Capitol he had a group that were chanting the N 1235 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,720 word at him, as many as this is his quote. 30-40 fifty people 1236 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,280 were chanting the N word at him inside the Capitol. 1237 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,640 And of course what I said was, from all the video review I've 1238 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,160 done, is that it would be absolutely impossible in the 1239 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,120 most videoed event in the course of human history that if that 1240 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,640 had taken place, that the MSM would not have led every single 1241 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,760 January 6th story from then until the end of time with an 1242 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,840 example of the N word being chanted. 1243 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,040 It didn't exist. That's right. 1244 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,560 And it didn't happen. And in that process I said I in 1245 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,200 my story, I said if you have evidence, if you have a video, I 1246 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,680 said send it to me and I'll publish it. 1247 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,720 Right. And guess what? 1248 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,000 A sedition hunter sent me one example of a person in the crowd 1249 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,120 shouting the N word. It wasn't in the Harry done 1250 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,320 scenario. Harry was nowhere near sure and 1251 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,160 nobody could hear it anyway because it was in the the, you 1252 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,120 know, the the, the, the cacophony of all the the chaos 1253 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,920 that was going on out there on the West battle line. 1254 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,240 But it was a cell phone video capturing somebody saying the N 1255 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,800 word. And so you know what I did? 1256 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,000 Wrote a story about it. Yeah, I I published. 1257 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,280 It here's the one but and and the key is is this. 1258 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,240 It's like, OK if I tell you something wild happened and you 1259 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,600 say I don't believe you, and then you get evidence that 1260 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,880 something that is a 1/5 or 110th or one 100th of the thing that I 1261 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,760 said that was wild. And you say, oh, well, I'll 1262 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,520 accept that one, 100th of what you said is true. 1263 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,040 And thank you for presenting with you. 1264 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,600 Will you dial back yours, 'cause I'm going to go and adjust that 1265 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,680 what I said didn't happen, it fractionally happened and you 1266 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,600 should do the same. That's how we come towards where 1267 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,480 truth is, if you come from some wild experience, I mean, I had 1268 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:47,840 an experience, you've probably done this before. 1269 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,280 You've been in a car accident, are you? 1270 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,120 Are you the best person to say what the car did as the driver 1271 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,400 or the passenger in the car that was in the accident? 1272 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,960 No, not not even close. Yeah, you have no idea, Right. 1273 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,680 So I know based on looking at the reconstruction, what must 1274 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,480 have happened. But my experience is that I spun 1275 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,880 like a top around and around and around for like 35 minutes 1276 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,480 across, you know, wet roads. And I ended up, you know somehow 1277 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,520 in a place that didn't make any sense, up over a median and 1278 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,640 broke an axle on a vehicle, you know, hit the hit the the the 1279 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,560 rear wheel so hard that it broke the axial inward. 1280 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,480 None of that makes any sense because it was the driver side 1281 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,640 rear. I have absolutely no idea how a 1282 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,280 left hand turn resulted in the left side of the vehicle getting 1283 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:34,280 hit. It should have been the right 1284 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,600 hand because the right hand was the. 1285 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,360 I wish I should have been spinning counter clockwise, but 1286 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,320 somehow I had a counterspin that went counter clockwise or went 1287 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,480 clockwise rather and I had that that rear tire hit. 1288 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,480 It's like, I don't know what the hell happened. 1289 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,560 Anybody who saw it probably saw the car, like, spin and then 1290 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,640 switch directions. That must have happened, 1291 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,960 overcorrected something like that. 1292 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,120 That's what goes on the guy behind the wheel. 1293 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,440 They don't know. They just see the horizon 1294 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,000 spinning around and then suddenly they're swearing and, 1295 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,360 you know, the vehicle's broken forever. 1296 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,080 Like, that's a terrible feeling. You don't know necessarily. 1297 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,720 And so that that that experience of eyewitness testimony is some 1298 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,120 of the worst. Unless the eyewitness is a 1299 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,680 dispassionate observer that's just sitting out and happens to 1300 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,040 be you know bystander testimony is better than the person who 1301 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,400 was participating. I don't really care what the the 1302 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,440 participant said. I've had women come and tell me 1303 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,600 that this is a wild story. You ready for this? 1304 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,240 Because this will be fun for you. 1305 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,240 You tell me how likely this is. I was on an Indian Reservation 1306 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,480 and I had two women get into an interview room with us and their 1307 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,920 parents and their aunts and all the family members which is 1308 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,840 always a great way to do an interview and and the police 1309 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,520 chief for the for the res. And they told me that they were 1310 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,840 in a a verbal confrontation at a casino on the res. 1311 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,640 Then they got in their cars and they drove home. 1312 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,200 And the people that were in the verbal confrontation with them 1313 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,840 followed them and staked them out for an hour and a half or 1314 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,280 two hours while they were at another place. 1315 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,720 And then followed them out to their cars where they sat for 1316 01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,840 another hour and talked. And then followed them all the 1317 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,880 way to their homes where they stopped them in the roadway, 1318 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,720 pulled them out of the vehicles, beat them both unconscious, 1319 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,680 potentially raped one of them. And then took the vehicle that 1320 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,160 they had just been pulled out of and stole it. 1321 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,720 Stole their vehicle. And then went joyriding in it 1322 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,160 and broke some things and crashed some other stuff. 1323 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,640 And did all this destruction. Then came back and then put them 1324 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,160 back into their vehicle. Then drove them back to their 1325 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,480 house, parked the vehicle that was all wrecked in their parking 1326 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,320 spot at their their home. Dragged them out of their car 1327 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,520 unconscious, tucked them into their beds, put the keys on the 1328 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,280 counter and lock the door behind them as they left. 1329 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,160 And that was the story that was pitched. 1330 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,240 Yeah, I'm totally sold, right. And then you go out there and 1331 01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,400 you look and you're like, OK And then well, it turns out, well, 1332 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,440 there's actually someone who's videotaping that. 1333 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,720 And it was 2 occupants who got into a fight and wrecked their 1334 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,440 own car and played slalom, you know, with a with a couple of 1335 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,640 trees and then smashed another vehicle. 1336 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,320 And then they went home and they parked it and they were too 1337 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,520 drunk to remember any of it. And there was no sexual assault 1338 01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,840 and there was no evidence of it. And suddenly you're the bad guy 1339 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,840 because you're like, there's no way that that what you said was 1340 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,320 true. Occam's razor, it it's it's 1341 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,520 actually impossible. Plus there were eyewitnesses, 1342 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,960 bystanders who didn't care what happened and they didn't see 1343 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,960 that it was one car on the road. So when you have these kind of 1344 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,720 things happen, it's like, OK, well, somebody told you 1345 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:14,760 something and they have an angle. 1346 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,680 And somebody told you something about John Sullivan, and he had 1347 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,479 an angle. And once you realize what the 1348 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,120 angle is, you're like, well, you just don't want to pay the 1349 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,000 insurance payment on that that wrecked new truck that you have, 1350 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,240 'cause you got a $75,000 truck with with, you know, $50,000 for 1351 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,200 the damage. But see, but see that that just 1352 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,319 that just happened in in one of my most recent stories that I 1353 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,760 published a couple of weeks ago. The title of the story is No 1354 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,840 Good Deed Goes Unpunished. And this was the story of a guy 1355 01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:46,200 that I I got a call from. He had already been through the 1356 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,960 trial Jace's J6 trial. He had already been convicted. 1357 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,319 His sentencing hearing was coming up in a couple of months. 1358 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,560 He had already petitioned the government three times for a 1359 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,160 retrial and he had this. He had this incredibly 1360 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:03,359 believable story about him having assisted a dozen or so 1361 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:07,120 law enforcement officers inside the building and helped them 1362 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,279 work their way through the the more hostile elements of the 1363 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:12,640 crowd. And then LED them to the door. 1364 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,240 And that those were the actual law enforcement officers who 1365 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,840 then Tarik Johnson and the two Oath Keepers then came up the 1366 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:24,120 stairs and on the east side. And then then extracted them 1367 01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,200 through the crowd. This was his story and he told 1368 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:32,520 me that he would had been denied access to the videos this 1369 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,840 exculpatory evidence that would show that he was doing the work 1370 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,120 of a you know a good person and and assisting law enforcement 1371 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,800 that day and it was denied to be presented in his trial. 1372 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,479 And could you please help me find this video very believable, 1373 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,359 very well spoken gentleman named Damon Beckley. 1374 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,400 And I took that call only about four days before I was 1375 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,120 coincidentally going to be spending an entire week in the 1376 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,760 Capital CCTV viewing room in DC with two other Blaze analysts 1377 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,600 that were going with me. And so I thought, OK, well, you 1378 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,440 know, as it is, I'm going to be there anyway. 1379 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:11,960 Sure. I'll assign one of my guys to 1380 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,160 check out your story. So I put one of my guys on it 1381 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,200 and I'm, of course, I'm monitoring, looking over his 1382 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,520 shoulder as the day progresses for this guy through the 1383 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,080 Capitol. And actually what we saw on 1384 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,200 video was 180° out of phase with the story that he gave me over 1385 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,120 the phone. It just didn't happen his 1386 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,840 either. His brain was Swiss cheese, like 1387 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,240 mine was that day. Because I'm not a riot chasing, 1388 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,120 you know, journalist. That's not what I do. 1389 01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,600 And and you were just talking what that's what brought this 1390 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,480 story to mind. When you're talking about a 1391 01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:45,920 dispassionate observer or or somebody that's experienced, an 1392 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,280 experienced war correspondent is probably going to handle that 1393 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,080 situation better than somebody like myself who's not 1394 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,680 experienced in that situation. That's right. 1395 01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:01,440 And and and so especially the more experience you have and the 1396 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:06,680 more exposure you have to that kind of highly kinetic situation 1397 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,080 that's going on around you. And in this particular situation 1398 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,640 I went I called the gentleman back that night and I was trying 1399 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:19,040 to let him down gently and A and a Damon man I I gave him a 1400 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,360 couple of examples of how my own brain was Swiss cheese that day. 1401 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,480 I didn't I I don't recall things that I or things that I thought 1402 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:27,720 I saw. I didn't see you then when I 1403 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,920 looked at my own videos I like oh crap I you know I was there. 1404 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:37,200 I don't even remember that and and so I I tried to explain that 1405 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,720 to him and he said no no he goes you've got to go check and and 1406 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,920 he tied it in he goes you can see me in John Sullivan's video 1407 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,680 at the main house door and blah blah blah blah blah and he's and 1408 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,640 he's just he's carrying on carrying on. 1409 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,080 He said I I must have. He goes, maybe you're right. 1410 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,280 But he said I must have went back in because I'm telling you, 1411 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,400 this happened and we have these. I mean, I have, I have his court 1412 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:00,880 documents. I have everything. 1413 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,000 I I know exactly when he went in the building. 1414 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,560 Right when he left the building. We had great photography of him. 1415 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,760 He was easy to pick out of the crowd on the CCTVI, Put my guy 1416 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,880 back on it for another day and full day in there. 1417 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,920 It just didn't happen. So what did this guy do? 1418 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:24,360 So now I have done the work to try and help this gentleman and 1419 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,600 try and help him either get a retrial or at the very least 1420 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:32,000 help him in his sentencing. Yep, sounds like you're right. 1421 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,440 So what? What do you think was the net 1422 01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:35,040 result of? That. 1423 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:40,200 Oh, I'm sure he was so grateful. He goes online and then starts 1424 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:45,480 saying that I deliberately hid. Well, first of all, he told he 1425 01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:51,080 told his followers online that I had found the exculpatory 1426 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:56,040 information and that I had told him that on December 22nd. 1427 01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:57,880 Well, we never even talked to him. 1428 01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,800 You know, there is such a thing as a call log. 1429 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,400 You know, it's very easy to see that I've either texted or spoke 1430 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,240 to him on December 22nd, so he's very specific about that. 1431 01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:12,960 And then the second thing he says is that I chose to hide and 1432 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,200 bury his exculpatory video to help me with my case. 1433 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,160 Of course. Why not? 1434 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:21,640 This is the problem, though, because people, people who are 1435 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,680 serious and understand how logic works, and a lot of people 1436 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,720 don't. In our criminal system, you 1437 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,080 don't prove your innocence. That's not required of you. 1438 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,520 We don't do the Perry Mason thing where there's a, you know, 1439 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,840 the defense attorney is actually out there proving who did the 1440 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,120 real bad thing, and you were just accidentally set up and it 1441 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,200 just looked like you. That's not how the system works. 1442 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,480 They have to prove that you are guilty of the elements of a 1443 01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:43,200 crime, which are very specific, and they are laid out in a thing 1444 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,800 called pattern jury instructions. 1445 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,160 The jury is judging based on an objective set of criteria. 1446 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,560 Now, they're going to bring their subjective bias to it, but 1447 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,720 you have to look at things where they are going to push the 1448 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,400 envelope and the fact pattern has to show that you did the 1449 01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,880 thing that is being alleged beyond any reasonable doubt and 1450 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,520 that nobody would question it. And they have to feel very 1451 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,720 confident that the government proved their case. 1452 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,080 You don't have to prove you're innocent. 1453 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,080 You're presumed innocent. This is the nature of of our 1454 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,640 system and it that's actually the best way to go. 1455 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,680 The problem is, is that people, especially folks online, which 1456 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,840 is why social media is not real. And I don't worry about it. 1457 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,280 I don't have 130,000 people following me. 1458 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,520 Anywhere I go, there's just me and sometimes my kids and 1459 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,960 there's not a reality. To making the argument. 1460 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,000 You have to prove that you're not a Fed Steve Baker. 1461 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,920 You have to prove that you're not in bed with something. 1462 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,840 It's like, no, you need to present evidence that you think 1463 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,160 what you think is true is actually factually true. 1464 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,800 And and this is where we'll we'll wrap up with not a too 1465 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,520 long thing. But James O'Keefe just came out 1466 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,240 with a new video yesterday and this was the biggest story he's 1467 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,760 ever done. That's very embarrassing for 1468 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,560 him. I think that should be very 1469 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,000 embarrassing because when you get information, you have to 1470 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,200 look at the lens that the person is presenting that information 1471 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,800 in. Do they know that they are being 1472 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,280 held accountable to their words? Is it testimonial? 1473 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,840 In the case of a honey potted, you know, undercover camera, 1474 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,560 what is the motive of the person that is delivering said 1475 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,920 information? And in this case it's ACIA 1476 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,440 Contractor, supposedly a green badge. 1477 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,560 In the federal service, we have green and blue badges. 1478 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,920 The blue badges are permanent employees. 1479 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,880 The green badges are like long term temps. 1480 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,480 They can be disposed of at any moment. 1481 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,640 You can kick somebody off a contract and bring somebody new 1482 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,360 on any day. Some people do it because 1483 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,960 they're retired feds and they're a former blue badge and they 1484 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,040 want to get another income. Some of them just aren't good 1485 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,200 enough to be hired on in the OR. There's not a need for that 1486 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,200 permanent position and and the government wants to be able to 1487 01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,520 flex it. So there's a lot of reasons for 1488 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,880 green badges. This guy flashes an IC badge, 1489 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,960 which everybody gets. I got you can get into Langley, 1490 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,040 you can get in the State Department. 1491 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,000 You can go any of the buildings. Not a big deal. 1492 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,240 I got it as a brand new agent for no reason. 1493 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,960 Just because they said, hey, you should get an IC badge. 1494 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:45,800 And I went, oh, OK, I got an IC badge. 1495 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,720 Now you have in your wallet. It's like and this guy, like, I 1496 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,360 broke my damn pin on the back of it because I didn't know what 1497 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,600 the pin was because I never used the thing. 1498 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,280 I went into the state Department like twice. 1499 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:54,400 So you can get this kind of stuff. 1500 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,680 But when we look at these people, right, And you evaluate 1501 01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,560 them, when a guy is on a date, what is his goal? 1502 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,360 What is the objective of the information he's purveying on 1503 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,600 the date? If you were, you've been on some 1504 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,000 dates in your life. You've seen some people in some 1505 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,920 bars. 90% of the time is to get laid. 1506 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,640 Let's say less less aggressively we would say that he's trying to 1507 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,760 make the other person like them. Would that be fair? 1508 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,360 You're trying to OK, You're trying to vibe with another 1509 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,320 human being. Yeah, two guys on a date. 1510 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:25,600 Yeah, yeah, I'll agree with that. 1511 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,080 So that's the grinder journalism in this case. 1512 01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,200 The video we just saw was actually a female and a male. 1513 01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:31,840 The man is significantly older from the female. 1514 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,120 Based on the hands and the skin that I saw, I just would guess. 1515 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,200 But that's how James does things. 1516 01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,120 Very, very beautiful women. And if you're a, let's say, late 1517 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:44,000 40s guy talking to a late 20s, early 30s year old female and 1518 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,160 you're presenting information and she's really hanging on your 1519 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,200 every word because you are the most interesting man that she 1520 01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,000 has ever met. A little bit of embellishment 1521 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,480 goes a long, long way in that setting. 1522 01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:55,800 I guess if you're a guy that's not married to the truth. 1523 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,160 And if your goal is to say that you're some computer cyber 1524 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,200 analyst guy who's a program manager, which would maybe be 1525 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,120 like AGS 14 level in the Bureau, that's what our program managers 1526 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,280 are. So you're a you're a first line 1527 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,000 supervisor maybe as a contractor and you want to present yourself 1528 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,280 to be the big Dick guy that knows what the director of the 1529 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,320 CIA knows. Look, the presidential daily 1530 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,400 briefings are given out by different intelligence agencies. 1531 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,360 They all bring their, their, their stuff to it, right. 1532 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,520 There's not green Badgers on that. 1533 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,160 There aren't contractors because that's a permit. 1534 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,120 That's a serious, serious thing. They may be green Badge 1535 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,840 reporting and analysis, that's on it. 1536 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,760 But they're not the ones that see have eyes on to the to the 1537 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,920 daily briefing. Those are long term, trusted 1538 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,840 people. Anyhow, and and let's be honest, 1539 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,240 the guys that really know this kind of stuff, they're not going 1540 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,520 to talk about it. They're smart enough. 1541 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:44,920 Not to. Right. 1542 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:45,920 We don't. Don't do it. 1543 01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,960 If you've been in this for a long time, if you're looking for 1544 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,200 clout, you're going to talk about it. 1545 01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,360 The people that I know that worked at the CIA, it took 1546 01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,680 forever to get them to tell me that They were the guys that I 1547 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,200 knew, that worked in special forces that were serious, quote, 1548 01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,280 UN quote, quiet professionals. The ones that we thought we were 1549 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,840 dealing with. Those guys are very cagey about 1550 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:02,720 it. What did you do for a living? 1551 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,720 I was in the army. Oh, are you still in the army? 1552 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,960 No, no, I retired. What kind of work did you do? 1553 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,960 You know, I was. I was an infantryman. 1554 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,800 And you're like. OK or or I'm I'm in public 1555 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,840 relations or something. Yeah, they might give you a fake 1556 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:15,880 story. The ones that are smart would 1557 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,760 weave in the truth. And if you get down, oh, you're 1558 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,360 an infantryman by training, is that you're in love in Bravo? 1559 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,600 No, I worked on some other kind of projects. 1560 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,000 Interesting, like, you have some deployments. 1561 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,760 Yeah, I've got 11 deployments in the last 18 years and you're 1562 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,560 like, cool. Were you at a Bravo? 1563 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:35,280 I have, I have AI have a family member in the IC and they don't 1564 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,360 talk about it. It's just a need. 1565 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,800 To know basis and you don't need to know. 1566 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,360 And when asked when asked, the first lie they tell is about 1567 01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,680 what they do for a career. Right. 1568 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,680 There's a There's this old kind of goofy thing, and the FBI 1569 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,040 doesn't have secret agents, even though the agents seem to think 1570 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,600 that they are. And we know this now from 1571 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,080 dealing with them a lot. But the question was, is how you 1572 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,840 going to get someone to trust you if you can't even tell them 1573 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,720 what you do for a living? It's like, I work for the FBI 1574 01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,240 and I work in counterintelligence. 1575 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,640 I'm looking for people that want to help me in the mission of 1576 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,240 America. If you're on the wrong team, 1577 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,520 you're still in America. This is still my backyard. 1578 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,600 There's one way to operate. Or you can go out there and be 1579 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:08,720 like, well, I work for the government. 1580 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,200 I work for the DOJ. It's like, do you work for the 1581 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,400 DOJ? No, You're an FBI agent. 1582 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,640 Just be who you are. And anyway, when people try to 1583 01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,360 embellish things and they want to dance around the edges, the 1584 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,480 oldest game in DC is called Spot the Spook. 1585 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:23,200 Everybody does it. You've seen it. 1586 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,280 Everybody wants to spot the spook. 1587 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,920 It's like, oh, are you really, Are you really working for this 1588 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,520 part of the government or you work for the government? 1589 01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,720 The people who try to play up and get mysterious about their 1590 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,120 jobs and try to act like they have a lot of influence usually 1591 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,760 have none. And the ones that try to 1592 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,920 downplay it are trying to ward off that thing because they know 1593 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,600 they can't talk about it or they lose their jobs. 1594 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,360 I will take the person that is very nonchalant and I will take 1595 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,520 them way more seriously than the guy being like, here's my badge. 1596 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,640 I work in the IC, look what I do for a living. 1597 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,400 I work in the China Mission Control unit. 1598 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,520 It's like you're full of shit. You don't know things and and I 1599 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,200 know that because you're not trustworthy, because you're on a 1600 01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,200 date with a stranger telling them about the stuff that you're 1601 01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:59,120 not supposed to be talking about. 1602 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,840 It's because you don't know enough for it to matter. 1603 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,360 And by the way if anybody read the Durham report or anybody saw 1604 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,720 the, you know, the Crossfire Hurricane 2019, Horowitz Report, 1605 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,920 we already know this stuff. We know the government went 1606 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,040 after Trump like that's been it's been proven by actual 1607 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,120 investigators, not by goofballs that claim it. 1608 01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,520 Or some pretty. Girl and and you and you know 1609 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,400 and you know that I've I've played spot to spook because 1610 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,720 when I I was involved in a particular meeting with a 1611 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,560 particular guy that I've written a particular story about and 1612 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,760 this was an off the record meeting. 1613 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,320 And all of a sudden I see, I see that guy that kind of shows up 1614 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,600 and he's pretending to be. And then all of a sudden he does 1615 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,400 this with his phone pointing at you. 1616 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,080 And then and as soon as I see that I start, as soon as I see 1617 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,280 that, I start taking pictures of them and I've sent you. 1618 01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,760 That's right. Yeah. 1619 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,360 And and those people tend to be very like either incompetent or 1620 01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,720 new sort of surreptitious photographers. 1621 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,840 We've had them follow us and we're pretty confident that when 1622 01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,160 we were in Florida, me and and Steve Friend and and we're out 1623 01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,640 with Garrett O'boyle and and George Hill and like you know 1624 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,400 you walk around, you see totally alerting behavior because you 1625 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,880 used to watch people do that behavior and you would critique 1626 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,320 it. This is the easiest thing that I 1627 01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,520 was going to end with. As someone who used to be a 1628 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,640 paramedic and I was an instructor, I instructed new 1629 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,280 paramedics. Even though I didn't have a ton 1630 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,960 of experience in time, I'm a very dispassionate observer. 1631 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:20,960 When you are working on a patient, you only know so much. 1632 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,920 There's a reason why in any code or trauma Bay, they always 1633 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,560 assigned one nurse to just document what happened, not 1634 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,040 hands on stands back. And just this is what happened, 1635 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,880 this what the vitals were, this is how the patient reacted. 1636 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,800 This is when we pushed it. This was the time stamp. 1637 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,440 They do that without getting their hands involved because the 1638 01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,600 minute that you get involved in the treatment or in the scene or 1639 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,000 in the moment, you lose objectivity. 1640 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,040 You can't be objective. And so I will have very 1641 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,640 competent, brand new squared away, knows all the book answers 1642 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,000 to everything going on. Paramedics who forget to do 1643 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,440 basic treatments like maybe give somebody Zofran because they 1644 01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,800 keep ripping off their mask and vomiting and all you want them 1645 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,480 to do is get oxygen because that's the problem. 1646 01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,240 They're having trouble breathing and you just let them do it 1647 01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,360 because they'll never know it unless you let them go through 1648 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,360 the experience. You ask them those Socratic 1649 01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,320 questions, they come to the truth, like, oh shit, there was 1650 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,840 a better way to handle that, and I didn't do it. 1651 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,240 Now I'll know the next time I'm in the fray that when I'm seeing 1652 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,640 this behavior, I've now done it. You have to get people to learn 1653 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,960 how to divorce themself and turn down the volume on their 1654 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,960 personal experience. We're seeing this massive amount 1655 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:25,080 online of people just failing to be skeptics to say to question 1656 01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,440 their own assumptions the way you did with John Sullivan, the 1657 01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:29,520 way that we should be doing with every bit of data that comes 1658 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,160 out. We all know that there is 1659 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,200 corruption in our government, and we all want to believe it 1660 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,560 all the time. Like, don't. 1661 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,600 Like the minute that you want to believe something is the one 1662 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,800 time that you should be the most skeptical. 1663 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,240 That's why you're an investigative journalist. 1664 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:42,400 That's why you're able to do the thing you do. 1665 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,400 That's why you and I are buddies and why I like listening to what 1666 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,360 you have to say. I I know that you will 1667 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,840 disconnect and you will, you know, disable that, that 1668 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,160 instinct and you'll fight it, and then you'll go and prove 1669 01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,800 yourself wrong if you can 'cause that's actually a win too. 1670 01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,360 I I I think it's probably the way to approach every particular 1671 01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:01,800 situation in which you're investigating. 1672 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,560 Because if you are investigating with the end goal already in 1673 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,120 mind, then you're going to do everything in your power to 1674 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,720 achieve your presupposition. Yep. 1675 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,400 And that should never. It's the opposite of science. 1676 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,280 Like you said hypothesis earlier, the whole point of 1677 01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,120 science is you think that something is going on. 1678 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,360 You go out and attempt to disprove it. 1679 01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,840 You create, you create an experiment to disprove it, and 1680 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,520 if that's experiment is not successful, successful, then you 1681 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,240 do it again and you do it again. And you keep trying to disprove 1682 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,960 the hypothesis until you run out of any logical experiments to 1683 01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,280 evaluate whatever your assumptions are. 1684 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,320 And then you can basically say it's more likely true than not. 1685 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,360 Even that is not conclusive, but most people don't even have the 1686 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:41,720 word evidence and know what that is. 1687 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,200 And unfortunately, you not finding the thing that the guy 1688 01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,440 told you that he knew happened on a day when his brain was 1689 01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,160 Swiss cheese. But it's not evidence that 1690 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,320 you're a fed. It turns out, even if that's the 1691 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,440 common supposition it it's very frustrating for for those who 1692 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,120 are watching it, I think. But anyway, if you listen to 1693 01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,360 this podcast, you guys know, you know what it's all about and you 1694 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,040 know what we're trying to do. We're trying to get to T capital 1695 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,720 T Truth by trying to just dismantle our own assumptions as 1696 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,800 we do so, and knowing that we're fallible. 1697 01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,840 Kyle, as usual. Man, it's a pleasure, always. 1698 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,000 I appreciate you you make my thoughts more clear. 1699 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,920 I hope that's the same. I know you're going to be 1700 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,040 writing a piece on this. Where can people follow the the 1701 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,280 work? What's the best place to follow 1702 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:20,960 your work? Right now? 1703 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,760 I know we've kind of moved from Sub Stack and now you're doing 1704 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:24,960 the Blaze. Where do you? 1705 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:25,600 Want. Yeah, Locals. 1706 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,720 Locals. Yeah, I'm still on. 1707 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,960 I'm still on the locals. And I do provide some kind of 1708 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,720 insider details about what's going on with my life, about 1709 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,720 what's going on with my case, even some behind the scenes 1710 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,520 things on some of the stories that I work on. 1711 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,400 And so they can definitely go there and they can basically 1712 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:47,720 find me anywhere at TPC for USA. And and in terms of my locals, 1713 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:53,800 it's just TPC, the number for usa.com obviously on X at at TPC 1714 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,240 4, USA, same thing on Facebook TPC 4, USA. 1715 01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,920 But all of my stories that are I'm working on with the Blaze, 1716 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,080 be they video or or written articles, they've actually given 1717 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:11,800 me my own URL and it's theblaze.com/truth. 1718 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,840 I actually feel pretty honored that they they gave me that 1719 01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,760 theblaze.com/truth. I will add that to the show 1720 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,840 notes for those of you who are looking for it, folks. 1721 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,760 Follow Steve Baker who is our friend and a suspendable and an 1722 01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,320 awesome guy. And thanks for jumping on with 1723 01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,040 me on this Thursday morning my friend. 1724 01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,600 As always, thank you Kyle. All right bud, let's let's pivot 1725 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:34,760 over here. We'll say thanks to the folks 1726 01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,880 that support the program. If you guys want to support us, 1727 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,960 you can also get something tasty out of it. 1728 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,560 Matt Hat jerky.com/kyle again, that's Matt. 1729 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,400 Hat jerky.com/kyle. Matt with two TS Hat with 1T 1730 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:46,720 Jerky. Use the promo code. 1731 01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,600 Kyle, Kyle, you'll save 20%. That's a good deal. 1732 01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,320 It's great product, it's flavorful, it's tasty, and we 1733 01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,160 only promote it because I actually eat it myself. 1734 01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,360 I really like it. 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