1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:24,090 agent Kyle Seraf. Hello my friends, and welcome to 7 00:00:24,090 --> 00:00:27,410 the Kyle Seraphin Show. Today is Thursday, it's August 8 00:00:27,410 --> 00:00:31,610 the 3rd and we have an interview for you today with Tiffany 9 00:00:31,610 --> 00:00:34,090 Justice of Moms for Liberty. We'll get into that in just one 10 00:00:34,090 --> 00:00:35,850 second. I want to thank all of you for 11 00:00:35,850 --> 00:00:38,090 joining me in the live chat. 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So support the answers if you 84 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:24,620 can, and make sure you're giving us a like share this episode. 85 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:27,900 You're about to hear from our friend Tiffany Justice, who is 86 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:31,540 really just kind of a lovely and charming lady, and she may even 87 00:03:31,540 --> 00:03:32,740 join us in the chat here at some point. 88 00:03:32,740 --> 00:03:35,020 I imagine this is a taped interview we did a couple days 89 00:03:35,020 --> 00:03:37,860 ago, and I am sharing it here on this Thursday because it is 90 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:40,300 still always relevant to hear what these voices are. 91 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:42,860 Moms are the best. So without any further ado, here 92 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:46,540 is Tiffany Justice of Moms for Liberty. 93 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:51,050 OK, And we are back with the Kyle Seraphin Show guest series. 94 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:53,570 Who do we have? But Tiffany Justice, who has 95 00:03:53,610 --> 00:03:57,130 probably the best name for public life in the the arena 96 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:59,490 that she's chosen to compete? It is such a strong name. 97 00:03:59,610 --> 00:04:01,090 Did you marry into that name, by the way? 98 00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:03,010 I did. It's my married name. 99 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,370 Fantastic work by the way on that one then. 100 00:04:05,450 --> 00:04:07,690 So well done. I we're going to hear about what 101 00:04:07,690 --> 00:04:13,010 the the previous Was it an upgrade Stronger standing work. 102 00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:15,490 All right. So Tiffany Justice is a wife, a 103 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:17,329 mother, a former member of a school board. 104 00:04:17,329 --> 00:04:18,370 She knows a little bit about that. 105 00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:20,329 She's the cofounder of Moms for Liberty. 106 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:22,130 Many of you may have heard about them in the news. 107 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:24,410 Apparently they are a pro Hitler group. 108 00:04:24,410 --> 00:04:27,010 If you were to listen to the mainstream leftist media talking 109 00:04:27,010 --> 00:04:28,930 points, we're going to debunk that here today. 110 00:04:29,130 --> 00:04:32,410 And she's also the host of her own podcast, the Joyful Warrior 111 00:04:32,410 --> 00:04:34,770 podcast. And I like that you have the 112 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:36,770 hashtag, A war mom. What is a War Mom? 113 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:40,340 One day I was speaking to a friend of mine who's a lawyer. 114 00:04:40,340 --> 00:04:42,820 He's on our Advisory Board. His name is Jeff Childers, and 115 00:04:42,820 --> 00:04:44,780 we were looking at what was happening in Florida. 116 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:47,740 We had rogue school boards that were fighting against the 117 00:04:47,740 --> 00:04:51,580 governor, and he had just come off of of a kind of a national 118 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:54,340 tour of speaking to people. And he said, Tiffany, I need to 119 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:56,420 talk to you. I said okay. 120 00:04:56,420 --> 00:05:00,820 And he said you need to go tell all of America that they need to 121 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:03,940 be war moms. And I was like, Jeff, what do 122 00:05:03,940 --> 00:05:05,020 you, what do you mean, a worm? He said. 123 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:07,420 Well, it's not, you know, like physical war and war moms, he 124 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:08,980 said. But you guys are war moms now. 125 00:05:08,980 --> 00:05:12,460 You need to understand that. And that was very, very early in 126 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:17,540 2020. So war mom means that we're in 127 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:19,620 the middle of a cultural revolution in the United States 128 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:23,180 of America, and our children are on the front lines in schools. 129 00:05:23,180 --> 00:05:26,020 And so we need to fight like we are at war, because we are. 130 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:29,940 That's a fantastic explanation. This is Jeff Childress of Coffee 131 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:30,740 and COVID. Is that right? 132 00:05:31,180 --> 00:05:32,980 Yes, Jeff Childress of Coffee and COVID. 133 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:34,940 Yeah, he's fantastic. And he did a bunch of 134 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:37,780 fundraising for my buddies. They came through with their 135 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:40,820 multiplier army as you know, they do some awesome work and I 136 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:44,780 think they bumped up our our Gibson go total by $150,000 or 137 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:46,180 something crazy in a couple days. 138 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,600 Yeah, he's a remarkable man. He he won the first case in the 139 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,120 United States that said that masks were unconstitutional and 140 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,280 then did some tremendous work in Florida protecting police 141 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,280 officers and others who were possibly facing vaccine 142 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:01,320 mandates. So, really amazing, man. 143 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Yeah, Brilliant. And I'm glad you have him on the 144 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,680 board. OK, let's start back at the 145 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,560 beginning. Let's go back. 146 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,920 You got married. How long have you been married? 147 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,000 And how long ago did you assume this brilliant new name? 148 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:14,110 So I met my husband over 20 years ago, but we have been 149 00:06:14,110 --> 00:06:15,870 married. It'll be 20 years this coming 150 00:06:15,870 --> 00:06:20,590 year and we have four children, 18/15/13 and 11/1 girl and three 151 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:23,950 boys. So your husband must have lived 152 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:26,750 a much more virtuous life at a younger age than I did. 153 00:06:26,790 --> 00:06:29,550 I have the inverse of that. I have 3 girls, my third is 154 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:32,630 about to be born in a couple weeks, and one boy and I just 155 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:34,190 keep telling my wife I'm paying for sins. 156 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:36,230 One of the things I did is I actually bragged to my wife that 157 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:39,170 we were going to have sons before we got married, and so we 158 00:06:39,170 --> 00:06:42,570 had daughters right in a robe. That's how that works. 159 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:45,170 Of course. And girls love their dads so 160 00:06:45,170 --> 00:06:46,770 much. It's such a wonderful, special 161 00:06:46,770 --> 00:06:49,130 relationship to have a nice relationship with your dad. 162 00:06:49,130 --> 00:06:53,250 So my girls are awesome and they're they were sitting at the 163 00:06:53,250 --> 00:06:58,010 table this morning and they said dad Bodhi, that's my youngest 164 00:06:58,490 --> 00:07:01,720 cannot have babies like mom because mom's very pregnant 165 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,080 right now. She's a couple weeks out and but 166 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,640 we are going to she actually my 6 year old whispered to her 167 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,360 sister and said but we're going to have babies one day which 168 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,080 made me just crack up. I mean, there's nothing more 169 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,920 special than them understanding at such an early age count, 170 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,880 contrary to what they would teach him in schools, I imagine. 171 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,360 It's true. I mean, the idea of being a 172 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,920 mother and being pregnant I think has been given such a bad 173 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,480 rap by feminists. But the truth is, I think they 174 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,200 wanted us to think that somehow becoming a mom took away some 175 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,280 power that you have, but it only multiplies your passion for your 176 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,200 your country and the future of your country and and certainly 177 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,080 family. So I loved being pregnant. 178 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,920 It wasn't always easy, but I loved every minute of it and I'm 179 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,520 excited that we are raising a new. 180 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,240 New generation of girls that are going to be really excited about 181 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,240 they're going to know exactly what a woman is and they're 182 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,680 going to know exactly what it is we're capable of doing. 183 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,520 It's it's funny that you mentioned that specifically and 184 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,120 I think it goes to a conversation, a broader 185 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,640 conversation about feminism. When you were growing up, what 186 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,440 did feminism look like? And and by the way, where did 187 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,960 you grow up when you were seeing these kind of things? 188 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,240 Yeah, I grew up in Florida for the most part. 189 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,480 My family's from New York originally, but I grew up in 190 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Florida. You know, what did feminism look 191 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,480 like to me? I don't, I don't really know. 192 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,800 I mean, I I think it was a time when we were being told you 193 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,480 could do anything you wanted. I never really looked at 194 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,440 feminism or or I was never treated in a family where it was 195 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,600 kind of like, you know, the the key to being a strong woman was 196 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,240 doing everything that a man does that, you know, men and women 197 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,160 are different. So it was really about 198 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,680 celebrating we know women and and how unique and special we 199 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,090 are and what what. What a special role we play 200 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:34,490 People ask all the time. Well why not dads for liberty? 201 00:08:34,490 --> 00:08:38,250 Well, because strong men support strong women and that is the 202 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:41,250 example that was set for me in my life with my own family, with 203 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:45,850 my mom and dad. So, you know, feminism looked a 204 00:08:45,850 --> 00:08:49,290 lot like just, you know, using all of your God-given talents 205 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:52,610 and and to and potential to make stuff happen for yourself. 206 00:08:53,530 --> 00:08:56,490 When did that definition change, if you saw it in your life? 207 00:08:57,690 --> 00:09:02,530 I think it changed more in college and in kind of as I got 208 00:09:02,530 --> 00:09:04,210 older. But again, I think I've been 209 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:07,210 largely unaffected by the feminist movement. 210 00:09:07,210 --> 00:09:09,810 It just wasn't something that was ever a big part of my life. 211 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:12,730 I I do watch with my other friends that it was almost like 212 00:09:12,730 --> 00:09:15,570 they had to make a choice. You know, sometimes I do 213 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:18,650 interviews with different journalists and I'll ask them. 214 00:09:18,890 --> 00:09:21,850 I'll say I actually have stopped asking, you know, do you have 215 00:09:21,850 --> 00:09:23,890 kids? Because what I have found is a 216 00:09:23,890 --> 00:09:25,770 lot of women that went into the workforce. 217 00:09:25,810 --> 00:09:28,530 I'm 44 but. A lot of women that went into 218 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:31,490 the workforce that are around my age or a little bit older seem 219 00:09:31,490 --> 00:09:34,050 to have make a choice. They had to decide whether or 220 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:36,050 not they were going to have a family or whether they're where 221 00:09:36,050 --> 00:09:37,890 we're going to go and work and travel and. 222 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:42,110 So, you know, I have gotten the best of both worlds. 223 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:45,870 I I got to meet my husband at a fairly young age and get married 224 00:09:45,870 --> 00:09:48,990 and have children. And now with Moms for Liberty, 225 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:50,190 you know, getting involved locally. 226 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:52,390 We'll talk about that in a second on my school board. 227 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:54,830 You know, now I have the opportunity to work all across 228 00:09:54,830 --> 00:09:57,230 the country and help inspire other moms. 229 00:09:57,230 --> 00:10:01,190 But feminism is a lie that was sold to women, I think. 230 00:10:03,220 --> 00:10:05,420 I know it was. I know when it started and how 231 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:07,100 it started in American public schools. 232 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,140 We can talk about that too. Yeah, I'd love to it. 233 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:12,300 It seems like it's it's really done a disservice to women. 234 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:15,060 You mentioned that the reporters, you know, they don't 235 00:10:15,060 --> 00:10:17,740 seem like they're as happy about the opportunity and you see some 236 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:20,740 women breaking down online on the TikTok videos and showing 237 00:10:20,740 --> 00:10:23,660 that kind of information It it looks sad from the outside. 238 00:10:23,660 --> 00:10:25,460 I don't have a first hand experience of it, but you 239 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:30,070 probably interact with more. I watched Chloe Cole with a lot 240 00:10:30,070 --> 00:10:31,350 of moms. Her moms for Liberty had a 241 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:33,910 heritage event when she was interviewed by Doctor Jay 242 00:10:33,910 --> 00:10:37,270 Richards, and she talked about not knowing whether or not 243 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:38,750 she'll ever be able to carry children. 244 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:41,910 She's a D transitioner at 15. She had a double mastectomy. 245 00:10:42,150 --> 00:10:44,390 She talked about the fact that even if she can have children, 246 00:10:44,390 --> 00:10:46,350 that she may not be able to breastfeed them. 247 00:10:46,390 --> 00:10:48,510 I mean, she won't be able to excuse me, breastfeed them. 248 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:52,990 And so I just think women and girls in general have kind of. 249 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,960 Been conditioned to throw away some of the things that make us 250 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,200 the most special and wonderful human beings. 251 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Women are amazing. I I, I personally, you know I I 252 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,240 watch some I I watch some people online and I'm not sure what 253 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,480 time this airs but I watch sometimes some men who think 254 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,720 that they are turning themselves into women through surgery 255 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,320 saying how much better men would like a a a man going through 256 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,080 that surgery. And I just think to myself, like 257 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,400 you obviously know nothing about women because we are very 258 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,990 unique. Creatures who offer a lot, 259 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:27,470 especially to men. My wife uses the term woman face 260 00:11:27,510 --> 00:11:30,750 a lot in the way, the throwback of a kind of black face, and it 261 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:33,870 feels insulting. It's just a facade. 262 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:36,150 It's a joke. There's nothing comparable to to 263 00:11:36,190 --> 00:11:37,910 being a real woman. There just isn't. 264 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:41,070 And I yeah, you. I mean, you get into the head. 265 00:11:41,070 --> 00:11:43,030 You go, well, I felt like a woman. 266 00:11:43,430 --> 00:11:45,630 So what is how would I know what a woman feels like? 267 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:47,390 I. Don't know. 268 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:51,330 Yeah, labor pains. They'll never have those. 269 00:11:51,330 --> 00:11:54,890 That's when you know, yeah, I've seen it from the outside and I 270 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:57,010 was very grateful that my wife was willing to take that on. 271 00:11:57,010 --> 00:11:58,650 I think she was uniquely suited for it. 272 00:11:59,310 --> 00:12:01,270 I've dealt with physical pains in different ways. 273 00:12:01,270 --> 00:12:03,430 There's things that I can't, you know, do that she does. 274 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:07,550 And we we used to know that the sexes were complimentary, but 275 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:09,590 even that is controversial. We're bringing it back, though. 276 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:11,030 That's why. Moms, you know, that's what I 277 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:13,550 think you're seeing, Kyle, is the resurgence of really the 278 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:16,310 celebration of what it means to be a man and a woman. 279 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:18,590 Apparently some people forgot, so we're reminding them. 280 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:21,270 Brilliant. All right, let's start kind of 281 00:12:21,270 --> 00:12:24,230 early career if you what? What formed you into the person 282 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:26,110 that was going to go out and found this organization that 283 00:12:26,110 --> 00:12:27,910 ended up being national? Being a mom. 284 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:31,480 That really was it, Being a mom. Becoming a mom. 285 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,440 So again, I told you I have 4 kids. 286 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,520 And so just naturally when I when my kids went to school, I 287 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,280 started volunteering in school for them and would go into the 288 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,000 classroom. And often times it wasn't my 289 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,680 child that I was working with in the classroom, it was maybe 290 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,560 another friend that they had in the classroom. 291 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,120 And so I would begin to notice things at their school. 292 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:55,830 For example, the the roof that we live in Florida, there's a 293 00:12:55,830 --> 00:12:57,430 lot of outdoor hallways and things. 294 00:12:57,430 --> 00:13:00,230 The halls would flood. There were a lot of leaks and a 295 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:03,310 lot of the overpasses like that. You know that the covers of of 296 00:13:03,310 --> 00:13:07,310 the hallways and so kids would come to school with wet shoes 297 00:13:07,310 --> 00:13:09,640 from the day before. And so I went to the principal 298 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,960 and I said, can you explain to me what's happening here? 299 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Why aren't they fixing? Why isn't the district fixing 300 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,440 this school? And I still remember the 301 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,920 principal said to me she was like, Oh yeah, they don't really 302 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,920 like when we ask too many questions, you know, when we 303 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,500 make waves. Just, you know, in my whole life 304 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:28,580 people have said like, don't make ways, Tiffany, just don't 305 00:13:28,580 --> 00:13:31,460 start right. And so I feel like you took that 306 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:33,300 direction very well and you took that to heart. 307 00:13:35,060 --> 00:13:37,420 So I said to the principal, I was like, I don't care if the 308 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:40,300 district doesn't like me. I mean I'm going to go ask them 309 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:41,900 why they aren't fixing the school. 310 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:44,340 And so I did. I went and I found out that we 311 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:48,020 have been on the capital outlay plan for over 10 years and kept 312 00:13:48,020 --> 00:13:50,020 getting bumped off. It's a five year plan and we 313 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:52,740 would just keep getting bumped off the back end because this 314 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:55,220 school was on the island in Florida and was. 315 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:58,420 Seen as, I guess like a privileged school. 316 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:01,980 But we had 58% of kids that had free and reduced lunch that 317 00:14:01,980 --> 00:14:04,700 qualified for free and reduced lunch that had that poverty that 318 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:07,740 met that threshold. And so you had a lot of kids 319 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:10,980 coming to school with wet shoes. And my kids were lucky enough 320 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:13,700 they had two pairs of sneakers and we would change them out 321 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:16,540 when they would get wet. It's hard when you're 5 years 322 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:19,380 old to concentrate on learning how to read if your shoes are 323 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:21,500 wet and smelly, right? And it's embarrassing. 324 00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:25,090 So I got the school fixed because I brought a bunch of 325 00:14:25,090 --> 00:14:27,850 moms together and I said let's go talk to the district. 326 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:30,290 And sure enough, they renovated the whole school. 327 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:33,490 They tried to shut it down first, but obviously we didn't 328 00:14:33,490 --> 00:14:35,930 let that happen. And then they renovated the 329 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:39,250 school and then someone said you should run for school board and 330 00:14:39,290 --> 00:14:41,640 I. I had never been political. 331 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,400 In fact, I had no party affiliation. 332 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,840 My family had, We had always voted, but we weren't like a 333 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,080 political family. And I was like, oh, no way. 334 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,640 Like, I'm not going to run for office. 335 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,080 I had never in a million years thought of that. 336 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 But then I was convinced, and I did it. 337 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,240 And Tina Deskovich, who's the cofounder of Moms for Liberty, 338 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,000 has a similar story of, you know, just getting involved with 339 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,840 school because of her kids. And then she was very concerned 340 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,560 about standardized testing and Common Core. 341 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,880 And so, you know, what we learned is we're not special or 342 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,880 unique in any way. There are millions of moms just 343 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,520 like me and Tina. We meet them all the time and 344 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,680 they can make change happen in their own local community and at 345 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,920 the national level. So that's why Moms for Liberty, 346 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,240 We just want moms to be effective advocates. 347 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,040 You said something that kind of caught my ear a little bit. 348 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,760 You said we didn't let that happen. 349 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,990 What does that look like? We just I brought school board 350 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:43,430 members out to tour the school and one gentleman who I like to 351 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:45,750 refer to now is Fog Horn Leghorn. 352 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:48,830 That's exactly the character he reminds me of, said In this I'll 353 00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:50,110 say I'll say I'll say we're not going. 354 00:15:50,670 --> 00:15:53,710 To boy, he said, well, what should shut down the school? 355 00:15:53,830 --> 00:15:55,350 How much would it cost to just build? 356 00:15:55,630 --> 00:15:59,030 And I looked at him and I said, that's not happening. 357 00:15:59,270 --> 00:16:01,950 You're not shutting down this school like this is an important 358 00:16:01,950 --> 00:16:03,590 school. The island needs to be connected 359 00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:06,030 to the public school system. It's the only public school that 360 00:16:06,030 --> 00:16:09,200 we have on the island. And I'm not going to let you 361 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,360 shut down the school. And so, you know, I got 10 moms 362 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,720 together, and we started passing out Flyers and letting people 363 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,800 know they needed to come to the school board to speak and let 364 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,160 them know they needed to fix the school. 365 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,960 And sure enough, within a year, we had a commitment to renovate 366 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,200 the entire school. And the truth is, Kyle, when the 367 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,120 county came out to take a look at the school to see what the 368 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,920 conditions were, they condemned to the cafeteria. 369 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,720 They, literally, in the middle of that school year, closed the 370 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,680 cafeteria down. Had to bring in a trailer for 371 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,680 the children to eat and had to make the food at a different 372 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,640 school and bus it over every day because the conditions in the 373 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,560 cafeteria. We had so many rats. 374 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:52,160 It was so gross and unsafe that they had to condemn the school, 375 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,840 but it it just took parents getting involved and making 376 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,440 enough noise to make something happen. 377 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Now I learned through the process of advocating for the 378 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,920 school that the reason that the principal did not want me to 379 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,480 make waves was because her numbers were crap. 380 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:08,190 For student achievement was awful. 381 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:11,950 She had less than 30% of African American students reading on 382 00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:14,030 grade level in 3rd grade in her school. 383 00:17:14,190 --> 00:17:16,470 And yet we were getting an A rating every year. 384 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:21,150 And so as I dug, I went back to her and I said, you know, how do 385 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:23,869 you take an A rating for this school when you have an entire 386 00:17:23,869 --> 00:17:25,750 subgroup of children that are failing? 387 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:28,349 You're you're you're hiding the failure with all these other 388 00:17:28,349 --> 00:17:30,950 kids, but you're not meeting the needs of these children. 389 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:33,850 And so then. Me asking about the 390 00:17:33,850 --> 00:17:36,650 infrastructure of the school became me asking about the 391 00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:41,090 priorities of the the district and whether or not we were truly 392 00:17:41,090 --> 00:17:44,370 serving children well. And and the issues that that 393 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:47,530 school faced when and you know this is kind of technical but 394 00:17:47,530 --> 00:17:49,730 they weren't considered to be a title one school that was 395 00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:52,050 getting additional funding for those students of need because 396 00:17:52,050 --> 00:17:54,330 they hadn't met what the threshold was, the federal 397 00:17:54,330 --> 00:17:58,050 threshold or the state threshold excuse me to receive extra money 398 00:17:58,050 --> 00:18:01,030 for those kids in need. That meant that at that school 399 00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:04,870 where my kids went, 58% of the kids weren't getting the 400 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:07,310 services that they would have gotten if they had been at a 401 00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:11,750 title one school where they had over 75% of the kids who were 402 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:13,590 free and reduced lunch, if that makes sense to you. 403 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:16,910 So just a lot of, you know in a system where they talk about 404 00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:20,430 equity, equity, equity, not a lot of equality or equity 405 00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:24,390 happening, it's it's always amazing that there's these 406 00:18:24,550 --> 00:18:27,670 metrics and these numbers that drive poor performance. 407 00:18:28,380 --> 00:18:29,660 Who set those numbers if you know? 408 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:34,180 The the poverty threshold numbers and the state the state 409 00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:35,860 sets that threshold and it changes. 410 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:38,940 But the problem is, is that you don't get more money if you have 411 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:42,380 more schools that become title one schools that the reporting 412 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:43,740 has come. First of all, a couple things. 413 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:46,740 The reporting is not accurate. They have many schools across 414 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:48,660 the United States of America where they're just saying it's 415 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:52,420 100% free and reduced lunch and and and they're not actually 416 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:55,020 reporting on whether or not that the parents are meeting that 417 00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:55,900 threshold. But. 418 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:59,610 When you're talking about in Florida, for example, the state 419 00:18:59,610 --> 00:19:02,450 setting the threshold for what they believe a school meets 420 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:08,530 title one, that should get those title one funds and it's not a 421 00:19:08,530 --> 00:19:11,810 bigger pie. So when you have a district and 422 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:15,010 you say okay, well we have another school now that is is 423 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:17,410 meeting the threshold of percentage of students that are 424 00:19:17,410 --> 00:19:20,330 coming from poverty. They don't give you more money, 425 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:22,450 you just have to cut the pieces of the pie. 426 00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:25,540 Into smaller pieces and give them out. 427 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:29,940 So it's a very complicated federal funding for for students 428 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:32,740 of need, whether it's idea, which is individual, you know, 429 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:35,460 students who have exceptional needs, or whether it's students 430 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:37,940 who are coming from poverty is not being done in a way where 431 00:19:37,940 --> 00:19:41,620 the money follows the child and it should be agreed. 432 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:43,820 That makes perfect sense though, that they're not going to make a 433 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:45,340 bigger pie just because there's this going on. 434 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:49,170 So let me ask you this, Did you start off feeling very confident 435 00:19:49,170 --> 00:19:50,690 about getting involved in this, or did you ever have any 436 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,570 misgivings about jumping into the the sort of vocal arena that 437 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:56,010 you're in? Are you talking about when I ran 438 00:19:56,010 --> 00:19:57,890 for school board or mom or even before that? 439 00:19:57,890 --> 00:20:00,370 Because just, I mean the the preface to this. 440 00:20:00,370 --> 00:20:03,250 Apparently as you walked in and saw kids with wet shoes, a lot 441 00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:06,490 of people would say that's really a shame and then that 442 00:20:06,490 --> 00:20:09,010 would be the end of that. You decided to get involved in a 443 00:20:09,010 --> 00:20:12,130 fight that didn't have to do with your kids shoes, right? 444 00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:14,470 Yeah, yeah, so. That tells me there is that a. 445 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:16,590 Is that a personality type? Is that something or is there? 446 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,870 Was there something that you were fed up with his or you just 447 00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:20,270 don't like stinky shoes or what? Whoa. 448 00:20:20,350 --> 00:20:22,270 I mean, there's something had to push you into the action here. 449 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:25,710 Yeah, it was just frustrating. I started going to school board 450 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:27,630 meetings while I was advocating for the school. 451 00:20:27,630 --> 00:20:29,270 And I was just watching the disconnect. 452 00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:31,470 The unions had an undue influence in our children's 453 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:33,950 education. It was like, why do certain kids 454 00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:36,350 at a school eat lunch at 10:30? Oh, it's the bargaining 455 00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:37,550 contract. Like, really? 456 00:20:37,550 --> 00:20:40,710 The unions having kids eat at 10:00 o'clock in the morning 457 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:43,990 like I when you have little kids as you know they eat breakfast 458 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:45,950 and then they eat lunch at 10:00 o'clock by 2:00, o'clock. 459 00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:47,670 They're hungry and they're tired and right. 460 00:20:47,670 --> 00:20:49,990 Are they getting food? No they weren't And and the 461 00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:52,150 union was making that decision in my district. 462 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:56,630 So I just was looking and saying doesn't seem like parents really 463 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:59,950 have as much of a voice in their kids education as they should. 464 00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:01,990 Who are these school board members? 465 00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:04,390 Why are they so beholden to the unions? 466 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:08,350 So I just decided, you know that I would run for school board and 467 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:12,460 and somebody told me, you know you need to raise $40,000. 468 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:17,020 So my husband was my finance guy and every week he would set a 469 00:21:17,020 --> 00:21:19,540 goal for me and on Thursday he would call me and be like you 470 00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:21,060 need to go raise the money Tiffany. 471 00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:25,340 And he would. $40,000 it just was the number. 472 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:28,060 It was just the IT was just the number that we thought we needed 473 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:30,340 in order to be able to spend what we needed to spend to get 474 00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:32,700 me on school board. I had never run for office 475 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:35,260 before and. You've got a great name though, 476 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:38,080 so that that helps it does it. Does. 477 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,760 And they were like, this is like a stage name for her, her school 478 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,000 board run. But there was a guy who was 479 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,840 running who was very young, but the Republican Party was 480 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,920 supporting him. I was told he was in the pocket 481 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,960 of someone who wanted something happening on the school board. 482 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,520 So the Republican Party didn't like me and the Democrats didn't 483 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,960 like me because I wasn't willing to like, you know, write a blank 484 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,400 check to the union. And I refused to go to any of 485 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,280 their events unless they would invite the guy who was being 486 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,320 endorsed by the Republicans, because I wanted an honest 487 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,600 conversation. And so I hadn't. 488 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,280 I didn't get support from anyone from, like, political parties, 489 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600 but I won actually, with 60% of the vote. 490 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,000 So. How about that, right? 491 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,040 So wait, the Republicans didn't like you, the Democrats didn't 492 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,160 like you, and 60% of the voters like you? 493 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,400 That sounds like a microcosm for America right now, yes. 494 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,280 That's why Moms for Liberty, really. 495 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,000 I think that one of the things that people have said that I 496 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,680 think is oftentimes not true, but they don't realize it that 497 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,850 you know they think we're like GOP puppet like you know we have 498 00:22:48,850 --> 00:22:50,250 some you're. Funded by dark money. 499 00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:55,130 I'm sure we we have no, I mean, some of the biggest opposition 500 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:57,530 that we've actually faced, even for our chapters across the 501 00:22:57,530 --> 00:23:01,410 country has been like Republican executive committees or the 502 00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:04,330 Republican Party. Because a lot of times they have 503 00:23:04,330 --> 00:23:07,650 this idea of what, like what the establishment is going like. 504 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:10,890 It's, you know, that the establishment like, oh, Susie's 505 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:13,210 going to run for school board and then Susie's brother's 506 00:23:13,210 --> 00:23:15,810 husband's going to run. And then in 10 years, Susie's 507 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:18,130 son is going to like, you know, and we came in and we were like, 508 00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:20,290 like we're not asking for permission. 509 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:25,050 We're not going to wait in line. There isn't some hoop we have to 510 00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:27,210 jump through in order to be considered to be qualified. 511 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:30,490 We're just going to, you know, run for office and win some 512 00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:33,290 seats. So that makes people increase 513 00:23:33,290 --> 00:23:36,410 sometimes. So we brought it up and and 514 00:23:36,410 --> 00:23:37,890 let's let's do it critically. What? 515 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:40,090 What is the source of most of the funding that comes in? 516 00:23:40,090 --> 00:23:42,450 How do you raise money? And And you know, what kind of 517 00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:44,330 what are your biggest donors and what are your smallest donors 518 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:47,310 look like? Yeah, So we started with small 519 00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:49,550 donors. So we started with $500 in 520 00:23:49,550 --> 00:23:53,230 Tina's back bedroom. We made some tshirts and we sold 521 00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:56,470 over $150,000 worth of merchandise in our first year. 522 00:23:57,150 --> 00:24:01,590 And we had a donor come in that was a large, like, I mean 523 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:04,310 comparatively a larger donor for us at the time because we were 524 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:06,430 selling tshirts that helped us that first year. 525 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:10,510 And then, yeah, we've attracted bigger donors as we've grown. 526 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:13,190 But I still don't think that our budget is where a lot of people 527 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:14,870 think it is. We just punch really high. 528 00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:19,030 We we punch above our weight class because that's what moms 529 00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:21,390 do. You just if you see a problem 530 00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:24,630 and you're a mom, if you see harm happening to your child or 531 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:27,070 another person's child, you're just going to find a way to stop 532 00:24:27,070 --> 00:24:29,110 it. You're not going to wait for 533 00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:33,710 permission, as I said, or make excuses as to why something 534 00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:35,390 isn't changing. You're just going to find a way 535 00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:38,710 to change it. So we have larger donors that 536 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:40,470 have come in that have been supporting us. 537 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:44,750 But as Tina knows, I say, and we'll probably die. 538 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,990 Then I'm going to say it on this show, but I will because I 539 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:49,630 really like you, Kyle. We don't have a pimp. 540 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:52,390 No one tells us. Why does she hate that? 541 00:24:53,030 --> 00:24:54,550 I'm sorry. Why does she hate that? 542 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,440 Because it's just so crass to say, you know, it sounds so 543 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,240 harsh, but we don't have a pimp. No one comes in from top down 544 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Moms for Liberty and says you have to spend money on this. 545 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720 You need to focus on this because we're not a top down 546 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000 organization. We're set up by chapters all 547 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,800 over the country and what we're really trying to do is establish 548 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,560 decentralized leadership. It needs to be about the leader 549 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,680 in your own community. The mom that I was that ran for 550 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,440 school board and and Tina Wright and so many other moms who are 551 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,480 standing up as chapter chairs saying like, we're not going to 552 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,120 wait for permission to have our voices heard in our children's 553 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,720 lives. Like it's a very fleeting time 554 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,000 in a child's life. And I think what mom saw during 555 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,480 COVID was it's very different to turn 12 to 13 than it is to go 556 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,280 from 32 to 33. Moms know that there were like, 557 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,120 they missed kindergarten in first grade. 558 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,240 They didn't go back and go to kindergarten. 559 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,170 They just moved him right along like that's. 560 00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:55,450 Crazy because it's based on age. It's not based on performance or 561 00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:58,650 anything else, apparently. I mean, you know, crazy that 562 00:25:58,650 --> 00:26:00,610 those kids didn't get the foundational knowledge they 563 00:26:00,610 --> 00:26:02,330 needed to be successful. And then everyone's like, oh, 564 00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:04,930 why are test scores falling? I wonder why? 565 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,000 So many mysteries that we have. Why is there cocaine in the 566 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,200 White House? And who leaked the dot decision? 567 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,040 So many unsolvable mysteries. Let me let me dig one more 568 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,360 question on this. And I don't need to know the 569 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,240 names of the donors because it doesn't matter to me and I won't 570 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,200 know who they are anyway. But give me an idea of what a 571 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,040 big donation looks like for your organization at this point and 572 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,360 and I just want. To have a concept of it, I, like 573 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,200 I said, it doesn't mean anything one way or another. 574 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Yeah, I mean, you mentioned Jeff Childress, so he did a campaign 575 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,560 for us through Coffee and COVID and we had like 5500 original 576 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,640 donors from him and over $130,000. 577 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,330 We have donor donations that will come in that are 5010 578 00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:47,290 thousand dollars, sometimes just randomly. 579 00:26:47,850 --> 00:26:50,690 We have some people that give to us fairly regularly. 580 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:55,010 And then we have some donors that are working with us now 581 00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:58,770 that are interested in investing in a much larger way where I'm 582 00:26:58,770 --> 00:27:00,570 talking about, you know, hundreds of thousands of 583 00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:05,710 dollars. So, you know, we are, and 584 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:10,230 rightly so, attracting attention because nobody's gonna fight for 585 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:12,910 anything like a mom is gonna fight for their kid. 586 00:27:12,910 --> 00:27:16,350 And James Lindsay spoke at our summit and he said moms will 587 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:19,120 stop a revolution. We will. 588 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,400 I believe that in my heart. I've gone back in history, James 589 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,560 and I, you know, I asked him about Hungary like 1919. 590 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,320 You look back and and there was, you know, communist revolution 591 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,720 going on in in Hungary. It was stopped in part. 592 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,360 They came after the kids. They really sexualized the kids. 593 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,320 And the parents in Hungary stood up at that point. 594 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,680 There isn't a lot of written history about it, as much as we 595 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,640 would like. But, you know, it's just kind of 596 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,980 been this question of like, how are you going to stop this 597 00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:47,300 cultural revolution that's happening in America, this 598 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:51,660 Marxism that we're seeing? And the truth is, they're not 599 00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:55,020 having their own children. So they have to have our 600 00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:59,000 children. And we stand in the way between 601 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,280 them getting our kids. And we're the last generation. 602 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,520 I think I'm 44. How old are you? 603 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,720 42 I'll be 42 at the end of this year. 604 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,800 So yeah, we're we're close. We had a similar childhood, I 605 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,720 imagine. Yeah. 606 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,520 I mean, we grew up in the 90s, you know, and and so I think a 607 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,800 lot of us are looking now and saying like, we know it doesn't 608 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,040 have to be like this. We grew up in the 90s. 609 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,670 When I was growing up, you could date whoever you wanted, like. 610 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:23,310 I don't remember that ever being a question. 611 00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:26,390 No, I I I have friends who married people of different 612 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:29,230 religions, friends who married people of different races that 613 00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:32,390 had children together. And now we look at America, 614 00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:36,110 where we have a lot of biracial children, and that was, I went 615 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:39,870 on Doctor Phil twice. Now I can't even twice. 616 00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:41,870 I've done it once on you. Used to coach my brother's 617 00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:43,750 basketball team. Doctor Phil? 618 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:45,830 Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. 619 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:48,350 He's very tall. Is he was a basketball player? 620 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:49,460 I guess. I don't know. 621 00:28:49,460 --> 00:28:51,500 He was teaching 6th graders or something like that. 622 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:53,420 So it wasn't like a high level basketball team. 623 00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:55,260 He was. He wasn't Doctor Phil the way 624 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,860 that you know him now. He was Coach Phil, but I mean, 625 00:28:57,860 --> 00:29:00,020 he's been having some of the most important conversations in 626 00:29:00,020 --> 00:29:03,380 America as far as I'm concerned. And we were allowed to. 627 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:06,220 You're allowed to ask him one question when you go there, like 628 00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:08,700 if you have one question for Doctor Phil, what would that be? 629 00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:13,380 And my question was what does it say to all of the children that 630 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:18,120 are coming from our generation of families that are of of 631 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120 different religions and different races, mixed races to 632 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120 say to them that half of them is good and half of them is bad. 633 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,120 Like we never talk about biracial kids and what CRT 634 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,200 actually does to them in the classroom. 635 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,120 And yeah, it's very it's it's, you know, so I I just think 636 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,120 we're the last generation that kind of they keep trying to 637 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,630 divide our kids and we grew up really not being that divided. 638 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:44,550 It was, you know, you think about MTV, we were all 639 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:47,710 experiencing like different music from different cultures 640 00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:49,550 and that was very exciting and fun. 641 00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:52,510 And you know, you think about how diverse your interest in 642 00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:56,110 music were as a kid, right? Well, tell me, tell me maybe 643 00:29:56,110 --> 00:29:58,030 some of your top five ish. I don't know. 644 00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:00,430 It doesn't matter the number, but your top five ish shows that 645 00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,710 you remember watching when you were a kid, middle school, high 646 00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:04,270 school, age. Just tell me what they were and 647 00:30:04,270 --> 00:30:06,550 then and then I want you. We'll evaluate the cast and then 648 00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:08,510 you tell me how racist we were in the 80s and 90s. 649 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:12,490 Yeah, I watched Family Matters. That's racist, OK? 650 00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:14,170 Yep. All all white people, obviously. 651 00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:16,930 Well, I mean, we like, I'm just trying to think of the shows we 652 00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:18,570 watched. We were allowed to watch Full 653 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:23,230 House, OK? So you got a black family and a 654 00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:24,670 white family. The white family. 655 00:30:24,670 --> 00:30:25,710 Yeah. I mean, that's what we watched. 656 00:30:26,390 --> 00:30:29,310 We did a tiny night. Family shows, you know, Remember 657 00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:30,550 when they used to have the shows on? 658 00:30:30,550 --> 00:30:32,350 That's what my parents would let us watch. 659 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:33,710 Did you watch Sister? Sister? 660 00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:36,630 Yes, I watched Sister. Sister Moesha. 661 00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:40,790 Yeah, Moesha 100% fresh. Prince hanging with Mr. Cooper. 662 00:30:41,470 --> 00:30:45,130 Yep. Yeah, we really we it was. 663 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:48,170 I mean, I just feel like the 90s were a great time to grow up. 664 00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:51,250 But like I look at our friends and and people that I meet in 665 00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:54,810 this space of the work that we do and we all kind of have that 666 00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:57,650 similar experience where we're like, why are they trying to 667 00:30:57,650 --> 00:31:00,370 divide our kids so much? Like we got past that. 668 00:31:00,370 --> 00:31:03,970 I thought we, I thought we were, we were going so much farther as 669 00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:06,890 a country together as people. I mean, for two people to fall 670 00:31:06,890 --> 00:31:10,050 in love with each other and to create another life, that's the 671 00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:13,260 most special thing that you can do. 672 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,860 And we do that in America all the time. 673 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:18,620 I'm sorry. I said How dare you? 674 00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:22,140 I don't know, but that's why I just. 675 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:26,580 Think it's baloney? That's why it's how people 676 00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:28,620 stayed together. It's what they It's the whole 677 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,300 reason why anything worked. I think for like thousands of 678 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:33,580 years in this country. You you talked about stopping 679 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:36,420 the revolution and there is a revolution. 680 00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:38,180 It's pushing against the thing that we grew up in. 681 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:41,580 So what's the revolution look like and how are you stopping 682 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:43,630 it? The revolution looks like our 683 00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:47,070 kids being told that America is a systemically broken country 684 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:53,990 and racist country and that religion is a joke and that home 685 00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:57,510 is not safe. Kind of the tearing down of the 686 00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:00,550 the the old guard, right as as I think you'd see. 687 00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:05,790 Or the, the, the four. But you know, as we saw in Mao's 688 00:32:05,790 --> 00:32:08,990 China, right, the building of the Red Guard and the tearing 689 00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:11,390 down of the olds, the four olds. And I think that's what we're 690 00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:13,430 seeing in America. And the public schools are being 691 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:16,950 used to do it. The unions control the schools. 692 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:20,310 The teachers unions do. Why would they have an interest 693 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:21,750 in this? Why would the teachers unions 694 00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:22,990 benefit? Out of curiosity? 695 00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:25,990 They make a lot of money from the schools. 696 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:27,310 Just the oldest thing in the world. 697 00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:28,550 Just greed. Just greed. 698 00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:33,680 Just basic corruption. Yep, $575 million in dues that I 699 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,600 think the A FT got last year. 99% of the political donations 700 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,760 given by unions go to Democrats. I just keep waiting. 701 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560 Like I watched Robert Kennedy last night on Hannity. 702 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,240 I don't know if you got to see that, did you guys? 703 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,360 So I watched it and it was really interesting because you 704 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840 know, he represents a Democrat party that I think a lot of 705 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,720 people in America are saying like where is that party? 706 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:59,540 Because the Democrat Party we're dealing with right now. 707 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,180 And again, as I said, I've been NPA most of my life. 708 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:05,740 So I'm not like a rah, rah go team Republican. 709 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:08,740 It's just not my nature. I'm an issue based person, 710 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:10,220 right. That's how I've always voted. 711 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:13,780 But what he just said was, you know, the decisions coming out 712 00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:17,420 of the White House are horrible. I keep waiting for Democrat 713 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,660 legislators and parents to wake up and say like parental rights 714 00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:25,850 are not partisan issues. These are not. 715 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:30,690 This is not a Republican thing, and I don't understand why 716 00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:33,970 Democrat elected officials are allowing it to be. 717 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:36,170 Do you? It doesn't make any sense to me. 718 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:39,090 It well, it doesn't. This is, this is my kind of 719 00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:40,850 perspective on it. I don't know what your 720 00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:44,610 reflection will be. I used to think that people in 721 00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:48,010 the 90s that were in politics and I was minimally aware of 722 00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:50,710 them. Sort of disagreed on the policy 723 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:53,110 on how to get to the same, to get to what they thought was the 724 00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:54,910 best outcome. But they all agreed on sort of 725 00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:56,830 what the values were. And now we don't have the same 726 00:33:56,830 --> 00:33:58,910 values. And maybe that's the disconnect. 727 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:01,070 I think that's the same thing that's happened in schools to 728 00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:04,590 Robert Pandisio, who's a fellow at a EI wrote something on 729 00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:06,630 Twitter the other day. And he he was like, you know, is 730 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:09,989 it that values were never taught in school or that we took values 731 00:34:09,989 --> 00:34:12,230 out Or is it that there were values that were taught in 732 00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:15,270 school, but they were all values that we had all commonly kind of 733 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:16,679 agreed to? Right. 734 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,920 And I think you find that's where we are in America in 735 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,679 general. Like you think about the books. 736 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,239 You know, in America we have always had this idea of like, 737 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,239 what is age appropriate? We know that certain things are 738 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,670 not age appropriate. Like you know R rated movies, 739 00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:34,949 right? We have movie ratings. 740 00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:38,270 You don't see anyone petitioning movie ratings like. 741 00:34:38,469 --> 00:34:40,550 How dare they? How dare they keep 13 year olds 742 00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:43,230 out of sexual content or swearing or something, right? 743 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:46,429 I mean, even in school they can't just show your kid APG or 744 00:34:46,429 --> 00:34:48,590 PG13 movie. They can't just do that right? 745 00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:51,750 Tipper Gore? She fought for explicit content 746 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:56,370 warning labels on music. If you think about even children 747 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:58,730 in schools right now, they don't have unfettered access to the 748 00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:01,730 Internet like a very interesting FOIA that you can do if you're 749 00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:04,010 watching this as a parent. It's just ask your school 750 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:06,930 district. What Internet sites do you 751 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:11,010 filter from children having access to in your district 752 00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:14,310 regardless of age. And then I just want parents to 753 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:17,270 compare that and and their and and the reasons for why they 754 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:20,190 might filter those things to like the concerns they have 755 00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:24,790 about books for example and and then also you can layer that and 756 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:28,550 say you know do the teachers have the ability and the 757 00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:32,030 discretion to choose what they give access to the children to 758 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:33,990 on the Internet in their classroom and the district is 759 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:37,030 going to tell you no the teachers do not have discretion. 760 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:39,590 The district controls that. Is that because the district 761 00:35:39,590 --> 00:35:42,100 doesn't trust the teachers, right. 762 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,100 You know, like we've been told, like classroom libraries. 763 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,900 Oh, you know, shame on you parents for not trusting the 764 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,140 classroom library. Well, the district doesn't trust 765 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:52,380 the Internet access being controlled in the classroom 766 00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,340 either. So, you know, there are 767 00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:56,580 different controls and different things we as a society have 768 00:35:56,620 --> 00:36:00,020 always agreed on for children. And it seems like a lot of those 769 00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:02,700 things have kind of gone out the window right now. 770 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,780 And that's why I think you see us in such a polarized place 771 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:09,770 because we can't find agreement or we're not being allowed to 772 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:14,290 find agreement on a lot of the things that I actually think we 773 00:36:14,290 --> 00:36:17,370 just finished national polling are 7030 issues in America right 774 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:19,730 now. So the vast majority and an 775 00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:22,530 overwhelming majority are in favor of the positions you're 776 00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:23,970 holding. So some of the stuff that has 777 00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:25,730 been quote UN quote controversial that you guys got 778 00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:27,290 involved in and we can kind of dig into this. 779 00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:30,090 I think you just touched on censorship might be one of those 780 00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:31,450 things that you're, you're accused of. 781 00:36:31,930 --> 00:36:34,770 What is the argument saying that you're in favor of censorship 782 00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:37,150 And then? Maybe present me both sides with 783 00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:38,270 what they're saying and what's what. 784 00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:42,470 Maybe if it's not reality. So I think there has been this 785 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:44,790 effort to label us as book banners. 786 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:48,150 I immediately, when I saw President Biden's campaign video 787 00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:51,470 released when he talked about book banning, realized that it 788 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:53,950 was a wedge issue. It's just an issue that they've 789 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:56,390 decided they're going to make extremely political. 790 00:36:57,050 --> 00:37:01,450 When I went and testified before the House Judiciary Committee 791 00:37:01,450 --> 00:37:03,730 the Constitution Limited government subcommittee. 792 00:37:04,610 --> 00:37:08,530 I spoke about the fact that the FBI had contacted one of our 793 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:12,250 moms after she spoke at a school board meeting and the Democrats 794 00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:15,690 put up someone from Pen America which is an organization that is 795 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:21,930 led by Obama era admin that they wanted to make the whole issue 796 00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:25,930 and the whole hearing about books and and and you know my 797 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:28,650 question to her was where were you when our when our speech was 798 00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:30,450 being limited at the school board Mike. 799 00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:33,730 So I think it's just become a political issue. 800 00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:37,770 It's it's been made a political issue and the truth is there's 801 00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:41,450 some really explicit graphic content in our kids libraries 802 00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:45,130 that most people you know I challenged President Biden the 803 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:46,250 other day. I was like, why don't you read 804 00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:49,650 it to your grandchildren? I asked President Obama when he 805 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:52,890 put out that letter, you know, about, you know, the books that 806 00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:56,050 have influenced his life. I I put up All the Boys Aren't 807 00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:58,250 Blue by a gentleman named George Johnson. 808 00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:02,930 And I said, you know, President Obama, which part of this shaped 809 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:05,410 your life? Was it the anal rape or was it 810 00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:08,040 the incest? Would you read it to your 811 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,920 daughters before bedtime? It's a disingenuous conversation 812 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,640 that we're having because they want to paint us as some type of 813 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,040 book banner. And what we are asking is why 814 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,640 are taxpayer dollars being used to buy and give explicit content 815 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,680 to minors in our public schools? Where's the line for for books 816 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,320 that we don't want in there for you? 817 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,040 I just put it I I said on CBS Sunday Morning. 818 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,010 Just really, really low. I'm willing to start at no 819 00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:39,290 graphic rape scenes, sex, anal sex. 820 00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:44,570 No instructions about how to go on like Tinder to find people to 821 00:38:44,570 --> 00:38:46,170 have sex with. Perhaps. 822 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:49,530 Maybe no instructions about blowjobs. 823 00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:51,770 Like, I'm willing to really make the bar low. 824 00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:54,890 I don't know what time this airs, but I have said the most 825 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:57,770 explicit things on camera. I try to show the pictures. 826 00:38:57,770 --> 00:39:01,010 I have the books right here. You can't show the pictures. 827 00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:03,630 You can't. I've tried on Chris Cuomo show. 828 00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:06,310 I've tried on CBS Sunday Morning. 829 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:10,390 I have told Joy Read. I would go on, but I'll bring. 830 00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:12,550 But I want to bring the books and I want to show the books. 831 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:15,910 But they can't let you show the books because they'll get an FCC 832 00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:19,830 violation. But apparently it's okay for a 833 00:39:19,830 --> 00:39:22,030 public school. It it just it. 834 00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:23,670 It's just a disingenuous conversation. 835 00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:26,310 It's a lie. How about Huck Finn? 836 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:29,350 Yeah, I don't have a problem with Huckleberry Finn. 837 00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:31,670 I don't know. About To Kill a Mockingbird, 838 00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:32,750 Yeah, I don't. I don't. 839 00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:34,510 We don't have a problem with that either, and we're not 840 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:36,430 trying to to rewrite Rawl Dahl or. 841 00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:38,630 Just asking numbers that things that I remember reading right 842 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:41,190 Mice and men. There's some murder in there. 843 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:42,470 There's an accidental murder, right? 844 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:44,590 That's violence. What was? 845 00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:45,390 What was it? I'm sorry. 846 00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:47,270 Of Mice and Men, right? Yes. 847 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:51,190 I think there's also a very common sense conversation about 848 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:53,230 age and age appropriateness here. 849 00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:59,210 The American Holocaust Museum has age ranges as far as what 850 00:39:59,210 --> 00:40:02,890 they think, how, what ages they think that children should go 851 00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:05,330 come and see their exhibit. And there was a Florida 852 00:40:05,330 --> 00:40:08,930 legislator that spoke very eloquently about it and he said 853 00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:13,370 that there is an exhibit, I believe that is for 6th grade 854 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:15,780 and up. And then there is a specific 855 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:19,100 exhibit for 4th and 5th graders and then below that age of 4th 856 00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:21,420 grade, which let's think about that for a second. 857 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:24,100 How old 6778? You're talking about 8-9 years 858 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,940 old. Below that age, you know, there 859 00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:29,660 are just some things that maybe kids don't need to see and know 860 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:32,940 about and hear. And that's just the truth, You 861 00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,900 know, you have a six year old. I do, you know. 862 00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:38,780 She speaks in paragraphs, but I know she doesn't know all the 863 00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:41,260 things that she says. Even those are those are 864 00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:44,480 constructions that she's mirroring you, you. 865 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,560 She believes in Santa, probably. It's very. 866 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,960 And and they they think that they understand the words that 867 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,720 they're saying, but they're really kind of trying them on. 868 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,480 And we think they understand them because they sound like 869 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,360 words that people say, but they're not full people. 870 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,480 They're still building up until you have kids and then you 871 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880 actually talk to children on a regular basis. 872 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,320 I think it's probably easy to, you know, for like a Randi 873 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,960 Weingarten for example, to think of children as just like 874 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,770 miniature adults. They look kind of like miniature 875 00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:18,170 adults until you start listening to what they have to say, right? 876 00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:24,370 Like my my 6 year old who speaks in paragraphs at a level WAVY of 877 00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:26,650 above her, her age that you would expect. 878 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:30,050 She's very precocious and she's very intelligent and she 879 00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:32,850 gathered a bunch of grass and put it on the concrete and 880 00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:35,370 started putting snails on it for a habitat, which is an 881 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:36,970 interesting idea. I just don't think the snails 882 00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:38,770 will stay there and I don't think that they have anything to 883 00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:41,330 do with the grass, but. You know that's how you learn 884 00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:43,370 that you put snails on grass and find that they're not there in 885 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:44,570 the morning and where did they go? 886 00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:45,770 Did a bird eat them? I don't know. 887 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:48,570 So we have all these interesting conversations that no adult 888 00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:50,290 would ever have because she's not an adult. 889 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:52,130 She's a six year old. She's learning about the world 890 00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:56,690 using an advanced set of tools like a words and she says very 891 00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:59,090 aggressive. We we don't filter any of our 892 00:41:59,090 --> 00:42:01,210 vocabulary. So my my daughter speaks like a 893 00:42:01,570 --> 00:42:03,850 like a 20 year old, even though she has the perception of a six 894 00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:05,650 year old because she's six, right? 895 00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:10,370 It's very fun and and that's the thing, you know, I, I, I think 896 00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:13,090 when you're talking about public school libraries, and we'll just 897 00:42:13,090 --> 00:42:16,210 be very specific about public school libraries, there is a 898 00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:20,410 finite amount of space and there is a finite amount of money. 899 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:25,450 And so you're making decisions about what belongs in that 900 00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:29,490 library, right? And our goal should be for 901 00:42:29,490 --> 00:42:33,930 children to want to read, but I want them to learn to read and 902 00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:35,850 learn to read. Well, we're not having the 903 00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:39,570 conversation about the fact that the kids aren't learning how to 904 00:42:39,570 --> 00:42:43,330 read, right? So isn't it so important for us 905 00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:45,850 to talk about what books are being put in that library, so 906 00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:48,250 that they're an extension of the learning in the classroom and 907 00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:50,090 that we're meeting the needs of the child? 908 00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:54,090 But we're not talking about the fact that 2/3 of children are 909 00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:58,290 not reading at or above grade level in America 2/3. 910 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,800 Are there Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew books available in these 911 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,560 libraries? Because that's what I feel like 912 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,480 I consume the most of. When I was young and learning 913 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,080 how to read, that's what got me reading. 914 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,920 I think there are. I think you have a wide 915 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,320 variance. I think what the library issue, 916 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,800 it's so much bigger than the books. 917 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,080 Here's what it exposed, Kyle. It exposed the fact that there 918 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,000 is a lot of money that is spent in public schools without a lot 919 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,410 of oversight. And there are people that 920 00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:26,170 control how that is money is being spent that aren't even 921 00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:28,850 working in the schools, like publishers, for example, or 922 00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:31,410 curriculum people, right? I mean, you have people making 923 00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:33,690 decisions in the school like the school board, you know, Okay, 924 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:37,850 we're going to spend, you know, $10,000 on XYZ, right? 925 00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:42,250 But as far as what's coming into the library, there were bundles 926 00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:45,910 of books coming in. Well, how do they choose what 927 00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:48,150 books you're going to buy in a library? 928 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:50,470 Well, you're going to buy the very best books, right? 929 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:53,590 Well, how do you determine what the very best books are? 930 00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:55,950 You look and see what books have gotten awards. 931 00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:58,630 Great. Who's giving the awards? 932 00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:01,350 Well, the American Library Association. 933 00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:04,590 And that sounds fine until you know that the woman that was 934 00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:08,070 just voted and elected to be the head of the library Association 935 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:11,980 is a self-proclaimed Marxist. She's a lesbian, which I could 936 00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:14,020 care less about. I don't care who she has sex 937 00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:15,300 with. I don't think that has a bearing 938 00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,460 on her job and her ability to do her job. 939 00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:21,940 Yeah, apparently it's you're right. 940 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,620 It's informing her work. You know, my sexual orientation 941 00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:28,300 does not inform my work, but but it does for her. 942 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:33,420 Perhaps the Marxist thing, though, like, that's kind of a 943 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:37,110 problem for us, right? And so if you're buying the very 944 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:41,070 best books that get the awards and you look at who's giving the 945 00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:44,030 awards and then you see for the past 10 years, the only books 946 00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:47,230 that have been given awards are books that are very focused on 947 00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:50,110 woke ideology and Marxist ideology. 948 00:44:50,730 --> 00:44:54,570 Well, now you know why we have all these books in the libraries 949 00:44:54,850 --> 00:44:57,730 and there was no vetting process or oversight. 950 00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:59,690 We, you know, that's what moms really wanted. 951 00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:01,890 It wasn't that we were looking to have a, I mean there were 952 00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:06,000 some books they wanted removed, but they were also saying how 953 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,560 are you, how was this librarian making the decisions about what 954 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,360 book should be there. And so we went through a process 955 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,000 in Florida. There was a bill called HB1467 956 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,920 that we supported our chapters in Florida, supported through 957 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920 our legislative committee here and we can talk about the 958 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,240 structure of our organization. The chapters come together and 959 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,320 in legislative committees. So they supported that bill. 960 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,480 And then two of those moms served on the work group 961 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:35,590 committee for 1467 that actually put into process procedures and 962 00:45:35,590 --> 00:45:38,510 put into place, excuse me, procedures and processes that 963 00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:41,270 districts would have to follow. So that there was some 964 00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:46,630 accountability measure for librarians or media specialists 965 00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:49,910 about how they select content and how that content is 966 00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:53,670 approved. How did you get involved in in 967 00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:56,310 looking into librarians and the library associations? 968 00:45:56,310 --> 00:46:00,640 Like what led you to that that thread our moms it it wasn't top 969 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,400 down. Tina and I weren't like, let's 970 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,640 take on the libraries. Like, if I had known that. 971 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,240 I like that better, though, yeah. 972 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,960 But I mean, the beauty of what we do really is it springs from 973 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,480 the moms. It it's it's what they're 974 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,320 concerned about in their own communities. 975 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,480 Not every library has a lot of these books. 976 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,200 I would tell you more libraries do than we would like. 977 00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:29,710 But it's not the case that every library has a copy of gender 978 00:46:29,710 --> 00:46:31,430 queer. So, you know, the last thing we 979 00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:34,870 want is a mom going down to their school board and demanding 980 00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:37,790 that gender queer is removed. And then the school board, the 981 00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:40,710 school district saying like you didn't do your homework and it's 982 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:44,190 not here, that is not being effective that you you you don't 983 00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:47,430 want to be a joke, right. And So what we've really put on 984 00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:50,630 the moms is you have to do your research and you need to address 985 00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:51,950 what's happening in your district. 986 00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:56,780 So I think some of our moms saw online, there was this Mary in 987 00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:59,500 the library, I think it was an older woman actually who started 988 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,380 it, probably a retired librarian who was fed up. 989 00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:06,780 And so they started seeing these different books that were in 990 00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:08,900 some of the libraries and then they just started going online. 991 00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:12,700 You can just go into your, it's called this, this library 992 00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:17,060 catalog in your district and say, I wonder if all the boys 993 00:47:17,060 --> 00:47:19,740 aren't blue or in any schools in my district. 994 00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:24,120 And lo and behold, in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, in Oak 995 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,200 Park Elementary School, there was a copy of All the Boys 996 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,240 Aren't Blue, which, as I stated earlier, a A young man tells the 997 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:39,800 story of being anally raped by a a family member while and he was 998 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,440 a child. I mean, you know, why is that? 999 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,720 In an elementary school library, There's genderqueer. 1000 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,080 That's lovely. Yeah, that's another one. 1001 00:47:48,830 --> 00:47:51,590 That's this is the value that Ryan is able to to shock people 1002 00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:52,710 with a little bit. That's good. 1003 00:47:53,350 --> 00:47:55,590 I think that one has gotten a lot of attention but it I mean 1004 00:47:55,590 --> 00:47:57,990 it's right front center if you walk into a target these days. 1005 00:47:58,230 --> 00:48:02,270 Yeah, I don't like banned book displays in libraries, in 1006 00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:05,030 schools. What is the age of these 1007 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:07,790 librarians that are activists? Is there, If there is such a 1008 00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:10,110 thing like a banded age, that's interesting. 1009 00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:12,830 I don't really know the answer to that to be honest with you. 1010 00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:18,160 I was the woman that they had on CBS Sunday Morning when we did 1011 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,560 that special was a woman who seemed to be in her probably 1012 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,920 early 30s and she was wearing a tshirt and her tshirt said 1013 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,850 educating is activism. And I put up a tweet about it. 1014 00:48:30,850 --> 00:48:33,610 I took a picture and I was like this is what they think they 1015 00:48:33,850 --> 00:48:36,810 they really have been trained that educating his activism. 1016 00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:40,410 I don't know if any of your listeners know Paulo Ferrari or 1017 00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:44,290 anything about Ferrari and and and The Politics of Education 1018 00:48:44,290 --> 00:48:47,010 and The Pedagogy of the Oppressed 2 books that are used 1019 00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:50,890 in a lot of I think they're top two books in the social sciences 1020 00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:54,610 studies in America. But he was a Brazilian Marxist 1021 00:48:54,610 --> 00:48:59,180 theologian who believed that the schools were the purpose was to 1022 00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:02,660 awaken a critical consciousness in the child, in the person that 1023 00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:06,740 was being an educated, educated. And that's what's happening in 1024 00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:10,420 American schools right now. I've lost track of the question 1025 00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:12,180 you asked me, because now I'm talking about Ferrari. 1026 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:14,260 That was a good answer, anyhow. You were talking about the 1027 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,540 education's activism. Tshirt that The types of 1028 00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:18,700 librarians. So they're activators. 1029 00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:20,660 Yeah. They think they're liberators. 1030 00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:23,260 They really feel like, you know, as marks, you know, they're 1031 00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:25,380 trapped in this world that's been created for them. 1032 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:27,700 And they need to tear down the world around them to create the 1033 00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,020 utopia that I guess is communism. 1034 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:33,300 Although I continue to try to remind everyone that communism 1035 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,220 has taken the lives of over 100 million people in the past 100 1036 00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:40,380 years in across the globe. And communism is really bad. 1037 00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:45,610 But when we were in Philly, we had the Young Communist League. 1038 00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:48,970 Like, they made Flyers. I could show you a flyer. 1039 00:49:49,090 --> 00:49:51,970 You know, the communists were protesting us. 1040 00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:54,570 The revolutionary communists were protesting us. 1041 00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:58,490 Like communism is alive and well in America. 1042 00:49:58,490 --> 00:50:00,610 And there are a lot of young people that are being sucked 1043 00:50:00,610 --> 00:50:04,490 into this idea that that somehow it's going to bring a better 1044 00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:07,250 America forward. Which, you know, if I could sit 1045 00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:09,690 them down for a few hours, I'd like to show them what communism 1046 00:50:09,690 --> 00:50:12,850 has done in other. Maybe on their iPhones, yeah. 1047 00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:18,290 So, so the young, the young communists were protesting you 1048 00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:19,810 in Philly. This is that kind of violent. 1049 00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:21,210 We saw they were screaming at moms. 1050 00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:22,930 I don't know if I saw you specifically walking out, but it 1051 00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:24,770 looked like they were getting in some moms faces. 1052 00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:27,410 They were just regular ladies walking out of a Convention 1053 00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:29,890 Center with these kind of unhinged protesters. 1054 00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:32,130 Yeah, yeah. That was the first night we had 1055 00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:34,810 an event at the Museum of the American Revolution. 1056 00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:37,570 It was vandalized the night before. 1057 00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:42,650 People spray painted a mural of Washington crossing the Delaware 1058 00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:45,490 and broke windows and that was very sad. 1059 00:50:45,490 --> 00:50:49,610 We felt very bad because the museum was lovely to us and did 1060 00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:51,930 not cancel us as the protesters wanted. 1061 00:50:52,530 --> 00:50:54,930 There were hundreds of people protesting us that night, 1062 00:50:54,930 --> 00:51:01,650 screaming awful things. I have a 19 minute video that a 1063 00:51:01,810 --> 00:51:11,540 a person in Philadelphia recorded that shows some of the 1064 00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,820 behind the scenes. And yeah, we had to bust people 1065 00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,380 to the museum from the hotel because it was unsafe for them 1066 00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:17,540 to try to get there on their own. 1067 00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:21,980 And as we were walking in, they were just screaming at us, just 1068 00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:25,980 screaming at a bunch of moms. I mean, it was pretty crazy, 1069 00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:28,340 Kyle. Do they know that moms are 1070 00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:31,580 basically professionals at tuning out obnoxious screaming? 1071 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,720 I don't know if they do or not. Our moms were waving as they 1072 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,480 walked in. They had their phones on. 1073 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,680 Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not going 1074 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,000 to lie, we had moms who brought kids and stuff. 1075 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,080 They had their hands over their kids, ears, some of them. 1076 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,800 You know, I had my daughter with me. 1077 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,240 She's 18. She was, it was really 1078 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,680 disconcerting, you know, It's a lot of hate that's being pushed 1079 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,440 at us. There you go. 1080 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,800 There's the Marriott that they wanted to cancel us. 1081 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,360 The Marriott was amazing. The staff was amazing. 1082 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,560 We thanked them during the summit and then when we finished 1083 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,080 at the event and when the the last day Sunday the breakfast 1084 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,840 was over and we walked out of the the the banquet hall, all of 1085 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,920 the staff was lined up clapping for us. 1086 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,160 So note to anyone looking to travel Marriott Rocks. 1087 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,680 They treated us beautifully even though I know that it brought a 1088 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,210 lot of extra baggage for them as an organization. 1089 00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:31,010 But if you are choosing a hotel, choose Marriott. 1090 00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:33,730 I'm a big, big fan. I use Marriott all the time. 1091 00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:35,490 I did not know that they were so good to you guys. 1092 00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:37,690 Yeah, they're awesome. Interesting. 1093 00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:39,650 I'm a platinum Elite member or something. 1094 00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:43,690 Whatever metal they have that is higher than gold or diamond or 1095 00:52:43,690 --> 00:52:45,290 whatever it is. So we've been really easy. 1096 00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,330 That's what they wanted. They wanted to get us cancelled. 1097 00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:50,330 I mean, that was it, right? The SPLC sent out. 1098 00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:52,130 So they put us on the extremist list. 1099 00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:53,580 Let's talk about that for a second. 1100 00:52:53,580 --> 00:52:57,420 SPLC When did they first take note of you guys? 1101 00:52:57,820 --> 00:53:00,500 I would imagine the first day that we created ourselves 1102 00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:02,940 because we have been trying to get attention since then. 1103 00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:07,020 What sort of, what sort of hate watch did they consider you? 1104 00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:11,840 And I don't, I don't know. I mean, I think they've tried to 1105 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,840 be like fancy with the intricacy of the designation, so. 1106 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,600 But they have a hate map. We're on it. 1107 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,880 Right next to the KKK and United Skinhead Nation. 1108 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,300 Yeah, that's right. I'm Don't I look like the face 1109 00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,700 of hate in America? I'm feeling that. 1110 00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:30,860 Thank you. And they said we're 1111 00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:33,740 antigovernment and we're an extremist organization. 1112 00:53:33,740 --> 00:53:38,340 And so you know I'm really we're going to really take a lot of of 1113 00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:42,220 issue with the antigovernment piece because we endorsed in 1114 00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:46,660 over 500 school board races in 20/22 and 1/2 over. 1115 00:53:46,660 --> 00:53:52,290 We won 275 of those and we out of all of the endorsed 1116 00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:55,530 candidates, 76% were first time candidates that had never run 1117 00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:57,690 for anything just like when I had ran for running for school 1118 00:53:57,690 --> 00:54:00,370 board. So I don't think we're anti 1119 00:54:00,370 --> 00:54:02,850 government. I think we are showing that it 1120 00:54:02,850 --> 00:54:06,530 is we the people are the government and we're taking the 1121 00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:11,050 government back from the 4th branch, the administrative state 1122 00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:16,970 as the vague talks of often. So I I guess it's just that they 1123 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:20,200 don't like, they don't like the way we engage with government 1124 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,640 and that gives them the right to call us antigovernment. 1125 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,480 But it's it's you know, having a huge effect. 1126 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,040 People are trying to use the designation in a lot of ways to 1127 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,560 hurt us so. I feel like they've been roundly 1128 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,120 discredited by anybody that matters. 1129 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,320 But but they still go out there and do their things, so good for 1130 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,360 them. God bless them, I guess. 1131 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,560 Bless their hearts, as we say in the South, right? 1132 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,120 So there are three levels of government, though. 1133 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,400 There's the local government closest to you, there's the 1134 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,440 state government, and then there's the federal government. 1135 00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:50,530 Are you anti any level of government? 1136 00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:52,650 Is there any particular gradation to what you guys are 1137 00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:54,890 talking about when they put that designation? 1138 00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:57,370 I think it's just really important that we understand 1139 00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:59,850 what role the federal government should play in our everyday 1140 00:54:59,850 --> 00:55:01,650 lives. And we're very concerned that 1141 00:55:01,650 --> 00:55:04,290 they're playing too much of A role in our everyday lives. 1142 00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:06,170 You know, we saw that during COVID. 1143 00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:08,650 So COVID happens. I think every American mom and 1144 00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:11,170 dad are like, wait a second, there are a lot of really bad 1145 00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:12,930 policies that are hurting our kids. 1146 00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:16,620 Who's making these policies? Because they need to change, 1147 00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:17,820 right? I think that's what a lot of 1148 00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:19,820 American parents were like, well, this isn't going to work. 1149 00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:21,940 We need to change this. And then so then they had to 1150 00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:24,660 search and they had to figure out where does the authority lie 1151 00:55:24,660 --> 00:55:28,180 for this decision making. And a lot of it lies with your 1152 00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:30,180 local school board. Tina and I knew that when we, 1153 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:32,100 you know, when we served, there's a lot of things that 1154 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:35,100 happen in your children's lives and in your community that your 1155 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:39,340 school board controls. So that's why we only endorse 1156 00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:41,700 and engage at that most local level of school board. 1157 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,760 But our legislative committees come together now across the 1158 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,200 state and they focus on issues. So you'll have a representative 1159 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,120 from every chapter in the state that serves on the legislative 1160 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,980 committee. They review all of the 1161 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:57,740 legislation that's being sponsored. 1162 00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:00,540 They bring legislation and policies forward that they would 1163 00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:03,540 like to see sponsored. And then they work to either 1164 00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:08,540 help to get things passed or to work against things and to have 1165 00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:10,700 their voice heard at that level of government. 1166 00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,140 And they've been very effective at doing that. 1167 00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:16,380 Yeah, that sounds like participation in government, not 1168 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:20,580 anti government, correct. And so I'm going to, you know, 1169 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:24,940 we're pursuing legal action against the SPLC and we take it 1170 00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:26,540 very seriously. Fair enough. 1171 00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:30,460 I think COVID changed the games a lot for for parents. 1172 00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:32,060 When was Moms for Liberty founded? 1173 00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:33,380 When did you guys start doing this game? 1174 00:56:34,820 --> 00:56:38,660 January of 2021. So our our school board term was 1175 00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:42,430 2016 to 2020. Tina T and I both. 1176 00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:44,310 But we weren't friends. We didn't know each other. 1177 00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:46,830 I always think it's interesting, people think we were like 1178 00:56:46,830 --> 00:56:49,110 friends before. We we just both were in 1179 00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:51,950 neighboring counties and we were on the downside of almost every 1180 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:53,710 vote. We were fighting for parental 1181 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:55,510 rights. We were seeing so many issues 1182 00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:58,030 happening where the government was encroaching on the private 1183 00:56:58,030 --> 00:57:02,350 rights of citizens. And you know, I've spoken to 1184 00:57:02,350 --> 00:57:04,470 some other people around the country about this. 1185 00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:06,950 There was, there was like a visceral reaction that some of 1186 00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:11,510 us had to what was happening. Like it felt like when they 1187 00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:14,590 closed schools, when I felt like somebody punched me in the 1188 00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:18,590 stomach, Like we immediately knew that like this is very, 1189 00:57:18,590 --> 00:57:23,790 very bad, you know. So we spent the last part of our 1190 00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:26,190 terms fighting against government overreach. 1191 00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:34,880 And then our terms ended in at the end of November of 2019, I'm 1192 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,560 sorry, of 2020, excuse me. And then Tina came to me in 1193 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,760 December and she was like, we need to do something. 1194 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,360 We need to we there are all these groups that are standing 1195 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,360 up and trying to get moving and get focused and they're having a 1196 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,000 really hard time because they don't know what to do and who to 1197 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,960 talk to and how to say what they need to say and and maybe we 1198 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,720 could help them. And I said, okay, let's see what 1199 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,000 we can do. And we decided we would just 1200 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,520 start in Florida. And then within two weeks we had 1201 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,120 a request. We launched January 2021. 1202 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,280 In two weeks we had a request from Nassau County, New York, 1203 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,080 which is where my family's from. So it wasn't a family member, 1204 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,680 but I wasn't surprised that they were feisty up there and wanted 1205 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,640 to get involved. And they, a woman named Barbara 1206 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,120 Abboud wanted to start a chapter. 1207 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,280 And Tina came to me and she said, I know we were just going 1208 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,720 to do Florida, but what do you think? 1209 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:35,160 And I just remember saying to her like it's not ours, like how 1210 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,480 do you keep it from her? You know, how how do we not 1211 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,320 expand now? And so we did. 1212 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,200 And then another two weeks we had a chapter in Maryland and 1213 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,600 now we have close to 300 chapters and in 45 States and 1214 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,320 hopefully it'll soon it'll be 48. 1215 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,120 So let's talk about the organization. 1216 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,360 How does it work? Who? 1217 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,480 Who tells who what to do or how's the money get distributed? 1218 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,680 All the things. What's going on with your 1219 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,540 organization? So there's this is lovely. 1220 00:59:01,540 --> 00:59:04,020 This is the how we decide whether or not something is 1221 00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:06,100 within our mission. I think a lot of organizations 1222 00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:07,660 take on a lot of different issues. 1223 00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:10,580 And so the question, you know, to our chapters is always, you 1224 00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:12,260 know, is it within our mission, right. 1225 00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:15,140 And so the first question is, is this about parental rights? 1226 00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:18,790 And if the answer is yes, then you go down and it says if 1227 00:59:18,790 --> 00:59:21,710 official action can be taken on the issue for the chapter. 1228 00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:24,230 When an issue falls within our mission, it is still important 1229 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:26,830 to assess the most effective method to advocate for it. 1230 00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:31,230 And then if the answer is no, then the question becomes, does 1231 00:59:31,230 --> 00:59:33,870 this directly affect the education of America's children? 1232 00:59:34,510 --> 00:59:37,630 And so if the answer is no, going through both of those 1233 00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:40,510 questions, then it it might be an important issue, but it's not 1234 00:59:40,510 --> 00:59:43,310 something that Moms for Liberty is going to address as a 1235 00:59:43,310 --> 00:59:46,030 chapter. Of course, every individual 1236 00:59:46,030 --> 00:59:48,750 that's a member has the ability to advocate for different things 1237 00:59:48,750 --> 00:59:52,150 that are important to them. Sure, but you've got a narrow 1238 00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:54,750 mission set, and then it sounds like you have things where 1239 00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:56,990 something's going to come to your attention and it's 1240 00:59:56,990 --> 01:00:00,230 outrageous, but it's not what you do, so you stay on that 1241 01:00:00,230 --> 01:00:01,940 lane. Sometimes I mean public 1242 01:00:01,940 --> 01:00:04,140 libraries, for example. You know, you can have a problem 1243 01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:06,900 with your Public Library, but it's not a public school 1244 01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:08,740 library. And so we tell our moms, if you 1245 01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:11,940 want to engage in Public Library issues, that's not what Moms for 1246 01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:14,500 Liberty does. Parents have the right to go 1247 01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:17,340 into the Public Library and they are with their child when their 1248 01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:20,620 child is looking at books. If your community wants to pay 1249 01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:24,030 for gender queer and wants it in a Public Library, Okay. 1250 01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:26,910 Well then have the conversation with your community about that 1251 01:00:26,910 --> 01:00:28,350 right. But it's not a public school 1252 01:00:28,350 --> 01:00:29,830 library. When you're talking about public 1253 01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:32,510 school libraries, parents aren't there with their children. 1254 01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:36,150 You can't you you cannot help them to sort through and look at 1255 01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:39,070 the books that are there. You're trusting the public 1256 01:00:39,070 --> 01:00:42,590 school system to safeguard your child from pornographic content 1257 01:00:42,590 --> 01:00:44,630 or sexual content. You and and you should be able 1258 01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:46,190 to trust that they're going to do that. 1259 01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:49,270 So that would be an area where someone might want to try to get 1260 01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:50,710 involved. You know, there are other areas 1261 01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:54,190 that our moms are passionate about and you know they get 1262 01:00:54,190 --> 01:00:55,750 involved in their own personal space. 1263 01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:58,510 But you know, like abortion for example, that's not something we 1264 01:00:58,510 --> 01:01:00,830 engage on, although I know our membership have you know, 1265 01:01:00,830 --> 01:01:04,110 feelings about that and and and work within their own private 1266 01:01:04,110 --> 01:01:06,870 spaces to do work in that area if it's important to them. 1267 01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:09,430 But we're talking about parental rights and those would be 1268 01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:11,910 children that are born and and that you're raising. 1269 01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:14,830 So you know, we try to stay on mission. 1270 01:01:14,830 --> 01:01:19,960 We're set up by county and we recognize that across the United 1271 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,240 States that looks different in different places. 1272 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,760 In Florida, one school district is 1 county and vice versa. 1273 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,360 So there are 67 school districts and 67 counties in Florida. 1274 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,280 That makes it for very easy organization, much messier 1275 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,160 across the United States of America. 1276 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,520 And sometimes we will have hundreds of school districts in 1277 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,840 one county or you will have a district that straddles 1278 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,090 counties. So we've we had to adapt, but 1279 01:01:45,090 --> 01:01:48,450 still set up by county. There are a little over 3000 1280 01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:50,330 counties in the United States of America. 1281 01:01:51,050 --> 01:01:53,730 When you have a county that has a number of different districts 1282 01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:57,770 within the county, you have a chapter chair who is the head of 1283 01:01:57,770 --> 01:02:01,370 their chapter in that county. You have a vice chair, a 1284 01:02:01,370 --> 01:02:07,050 secretary and a treasurer and you have a dues paying 1285 01:02:07,050 --> 01:02:10,770 membership that has voting rights in order to be able to 1286 01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:14,030 vote on leadership and then you will have associate members 1287 01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:19,230 within your community. When you look at a school 1288 01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:21,790 district or excuse me, a county that has a number of districts, 1289 01:02:22,550 --> 01:02:26,990 what you'll find is that in certain areas you'll have a 1290 01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:31,150 chapter who has district lead for each district. 1291 01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:35,030 So you know, if you have, again you know, a number of different 1292 01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:37,910 school districts in your county, you'll have you. 1293 01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:39,950 You kind of decentralize that leadership and you have someone 1294 01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:41,350 paying attention to each district. 1295 01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:43,890 That makes sense. Do members have to be moms? 1296 01:02:44,810 --> 01:02:46,730 No, members do not have to be moms. 1297 01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:48,930 In fact, we have a couple chapter chairs who are dads. 1298 01:02:48,930 --> 01:02:52,210 We have a couple chapter chairs that are vice dads that are vice 1299 01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:56,650 chairs or men. We have chairs that are not even 1300 01:02:56,650 --> 01:03:00,650 moms, that are aunts, that don't have children, actually. 1301 01:03:00,650 --> 01:03:03,130 So no, you don't have to be a parent. 1302 01:03:03,130 --> 01:03:05,890 You don't have to be a female. You just have to be a community 1303 01:03:05,890 --> 01:03:11,100 member that's concerned about the future of America, and it 1304 01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:13,500 only takes you a second to look at the data coming out of the 1305 01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:16,380 districts to know that you should be very, very concerned 1306 01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:19,340 about America. Do you have, Do you have to be a 1307 01:03:19,340 --> 01:03:21,780 Republican? No, we're a nonpartisan 1308 01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:23,380 organization. That's very interesting 1309 01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:26,660 question. But I think you'd be hard 1310 01:03:26,660 --> 01:03:29,740 pressed to find anyone who is going to vote for Joe Biden. 1311 01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:32,580 So that makes it kind of more difficult, right? 1312 01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:36,140 You know that that to me, I think you have a lot of 1313 01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:39,740 Democrats and I know within our organization that we've had a 1314 01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:43,300 lot of Democrats and independents who were shocked at 1315 01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:45,700 the way that they were represented during COVID and 1316 01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:49,180 have really had to try to oh, Republicans by the way, and have 1317 01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:51,860 really had to reassess who their elected leaders are. 1318 01:03:51,860 --> 01:03:55,580 It's much more about issues and principle, and much less about 1319 01:03:55,580 --> 01:04:00,980 the letter next to your name do. You have gay members, Yes. 1320 01:04:01,340 --> 01:04:04,180 We have gay chapter chairs and we have members who have gay 1321 01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:05,940 children. That's why it's incredibly 1322 01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:09,700 offensive when people say that we're an anti LGBTQ organization 1323 01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,940 because they're literally insulting people who would be 1324 01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:13,460 considered a member of that community. 1325 01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:17,340 Okay, fair enough. Just curiosities that I have. 1326 01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:21,460 You could be a lesbian mom or lesbian not mom, and still be 1327 01:04:21,460 --> 01:04:23,020 part of Moms for Liberty if you chose. 1328 01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:26,860 Yeah, Our national outreach director is a lesbian mom, so. 1329 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,760 Sounds very right wing extremist. 1330 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,680 Sounds like an SPLC. Just problem waiting to happen, 1331 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,120 huh? She's very funny. 1332 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,720 She spoke at our summit and her name's Tia. 1333 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,400 She's great. And she was like, she, she got 1334 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,360 to introduce Governor DeSantis. And she was like, I'm just going 1335 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,640 to be honest, I didn't vote for him for the first time. 1336 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,040 So funny. She's like, but I love him now. 1337 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,960 So you know, it's just, you know, we've got moms who voted 1338 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,960 for Clinton. We've got moms who did vote for 1339 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,080 Biden, who I think we're just incredibly disappointed by the 1340 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,360 way that parents and children have been represented over the 1341 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,960 past few years in America. Those ones that voted for 1342 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,360 Democrats in any level of elections, what is the biggest 1343 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,480 complaint that drives them to you? 1344 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,320 Do you think like what? What are the ideas that they're 1345 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,560 honing on when they think they were failed. 1346 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,640 I think representation really having their voices heard. 1347 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,640 I think that's really just in general where American parents 1348 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:25,840 are right now. I think that I when we knew that 1349 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,130 things were going wrong, many of us were never involved 1350 01:05:29,130 --> 01:05:31,810 politically. But when we knew that things 1351 01:05:31,810 --> 01:05:35,090 were going wrong and we went to our government officials, right, 1352 01:05:35,090 --> 01:05:37,690 we went to the school board or the county Commission or the 1353 01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:41,650 State House and we said, wait a second, something's up here. 1354 01:05:42,010 --> 01:05:44,530 This is really bad. Our kids are really getting 1355 01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:47,010 hurt. We were shut down. 1356 01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:50,730 Our mics were cut off. We were called domestic 1357 01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:54,210 terrorists by the Department of Justice. 1358 01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:59,150 That was the shocking point I think. 1359 01:05:59,150 --> 01:06:05,430 I think there was a an assumption that we had a voice 1360 01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:08,270 or that if there were concerns that our concerns would be 1361 01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:10,950 considered in the decision making process. 1362 01:06:11,350 --> 01:06:15,670 And when we tried to exercise those rights, we realized that 1363 01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:17,670 we really didn't have them anymore. 1364 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,280 I think that has been the real wake up moment for American 1365 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,720 parents that has made them say okay. 1366 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,280 I know we're really busy and we're working and we're trying 1367 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,560 to save for retirement or for our kids college or to, you 1368 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,760 know, just be able to make ends meet right now. 1369 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,240 But we're going to have to get involved in politics and in 1370 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,080 government because it doesn't work well without us. 1371 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,680 I look at 2 Moms groups right now and I know that you have 1372 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,920 nothing to do with each other, but I think that the names say 1373 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,960 something. There's a group that is against 1374 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,280 guns that wants guns, basically banned. 1375 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:58,920 They're called Moms Demand Action and your name is Moms for 1376 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,240 Liberty. What do you see in the name? 1377 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:06,000 A demand actually kind of implies that there may be a 1378 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,280 right to something. What does Moms for Liberty mean? 1379 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,840 And and to you, Why did you guys choose that name? 1380 01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:14,310 As opposed to Moms against, you know, school board groomings or 1381 01:07:14,310 --> 01:07:15,470 something else. I don't know. 1382 01:07:15,870 --> 01:07:18,990 Moms for Liberty is the freedom to do what you ought to do. 1383 01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:22,670 And so as a mother you ought to protect your children. 1384 01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:24,550 Your job is to protect your children. 1385 01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:29,110 So we are moms for liberty, having that freedom to be able 1386 01:07:29,110 --> 01:07:32,870 to raise our children. And and we want to see a culture 1387 01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:35,750 of liberty across America where people are respectful of each 1388 01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:39,350 other and kind. You know all of the words that 1389 01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:42,110 have been weaponized now, right? Kindness, inclusivity, all of 1390 01:07:42,110 --> 01:07:44,350 those things. But but the values that we as 1391 01:07:44,350 --> 01:07:48,070 Americans have collectively shared in general, right that 1392 01:07:48,070 --> 01:07:52,350 that's what we stand for. We stand for family and for the 1393 01:07:52,350 --> 01:07:55,350 connection of love and family, whatever that family may look 1394 01:07:55,350 --> 01:07:59,070 like. Moms Demand Action. 1395 01:07:59,070 --> 01:08:03,510 You know, I was a school board member during Marjory Stone, 1396 01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:06,190 Marjory Stoneman Douglas, the the shooting that happened in 1397 01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:08,710 Florida. You know there are often times 1398 01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:13,150 solutions that are offered by that organization that are are 1399 01:08:13,150 --> 01:08:16,510 solutions that are go against the founding documents of our 1400 01:08:16,510 --> 01:08:18,390 country and our rights as citizens. 1401 01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:21,109 And so we want to be effective advocates. 1402 01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:24,620 School safety is a huge issue and I think it's an issue that a 1403 01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:26,740 lot of parents are very concerned about. 1404 01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:30,460 But the truth is that what what we know to be true, what I know 1405 01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:33,140 to be true, is that criminals don't follow the laws. 1406 01:08:33,779 --> 01:08:36,380 So you can have as many gun laws as you want, but if someone 1407 01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:38,779 wants to get a hold of a gun and and do something bad, they're 1408 01:08:38,779 --> 01:08:44,020 going to find a way to do that. And so you know, I think in 1409 01:08:44,020 --> 01:08:47,340 general moms being involved and getting involved in their 1410 01:08:47,340 --> 01:08:50,819 children's education and in in America is very, very important. 1411 01:08:50,819 --> 01:08:56,529 And I think the that outweighs apathy I guess is is the way 1412 01:08:56,529 --> 01:08:58,330 that I would. I would put that I think that 1413 01:08:58,330 --> 01:09:01,770 there are a lot of opportunities for moms to come together right 1414 01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:08,279 now on issues where we we could find agreement and then you know 1415 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,080 there may be some issues that we can't find direct agreement but 1416 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,520 maybe we can start talking about some solutions and some 1417 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,439 compromises that we can both make in order to ensure that our 1418 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,120 children are safe in school. And I'm watching as there are 1419 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,600 some legislators that are bringing some points up about 1420 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,200 school safety. In fact, I'm, I'm working on on 1421 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,200 a town hall right now, hopefully around the presidential debate 1422 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,720 where we'll talk about with some of these candidates, the 1423 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,430 importance of school safety. So, you know, moms, nobody's 1424 01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:38,550 going to fight for anything. Like a mom is going to fight for 1425 01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:41,470 their kids. And so I just say to all moms 1426 01:09:41,470 --> 01:09:43,830 that are involved, whether or not I agree with everything that 1427 01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:46,990 they're doing, I appreciate the fact that they prioritize their 1428 01:09:46,990 --> 01:09:49,149 family and their children. That's fair. 1429 01:09:49,350 --> 01:09:51,710 Are politicians willing from both sides of the aisle willing 1430 01:09:51,710 --> 01:09:53,670 to hear what you have to say? Is that a, Is that a 1431 01:09:53,670 --> 01:09:55,070 conversation you can have on either side? 1432 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,040 I wish it was more of a conversation, to be honest with 1433 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,440 you. You know, we had hoped to have 1434 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:09,280 Bobby Kennedy at our summit. He had agreed to come and then 1435 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,760 he backed out of that. And I think there's a lot of 1436 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,360 confusion as to how that happened or how, how how that 1437 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:20,550 actually, how it how it actually came to be for the the reason 1438 01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:23,030 why he decided not to come. But it was a decision that the 1439 01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:25,190 campaign and that he made, I believe. 1440 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:28,910 But I think that there were votes for him at the summit, to 1441 01:10:28,910 --> 01:10:30,630 be honest with you. There were people that wanted to 1442 01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:34,190 hear what he had to say. I think that American 1443 01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:37,390 legislators need to wake up, whether you're a Democrat or a 1444 01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:40,030 Republican, and start paying attention to what parents are 1445 01:10:40,030 --> 01:10:43,670 concerned about. Where are laws, federal laws 1446 01:10:44,130 --> 01:10:46,730 that are currently not being enforced right now? 1447 01:10:46,730 --> 01:10:50,370 We don't need a lot of new laws. We need to look at the laws and 1448 01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:52,810 and the structures that we we have currently in place and 1449 01:10:52,810 --> 01:10:55,610 start enforcing some of those things. 1450 01:10:55,890 --> 01:11:00,210 So I think the conversation isn't just, you know, here's 1451 01:11:00,210 --> 01:11:02,530 what we think should be happening, but also, are you 1452 01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:05,010 protecting our rights and freedoms as you're supposed to? 1453 01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:09,890 And I wish that there was more openness on both sides of the 1454 01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:13,210 aisle to hear from parents. I think that Republicans right 1455 01:11:13,210 --> 01:11:15,650 now are doing a better job of that. 1456 01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:20,490 And again, that that national polling shows me that you've 1457 01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:22,370 got. I mean, I, you know, I'm happy 1458 01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:24,330 to send it to you and you guys can take a look at it. 1459 01:11:24,330 --> 01:11:26,530 We, you know, we have it up on the website, actually right now, 1460 01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:29,090 if people go to momsforliberty.org, back slash 1461 01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:31,730 or actually forward slash polling, excuse me, you can go 1462 01:11:31,730 --> 01:11:33,450 to that page and see that polling. 1463 01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:36,290 You know, you've got numbers of people coming together that are 1464 01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:38,050 saying schools are on the wrong track. 1465 01:11:38,170 --> 01:11:41,250 We don't want gender ideology taught in our schools or sexual 1466 01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:43,930 orientation. Us with our kids and and again 1467 01:11:43,930 --> 01:11:46,570 7030 issues where you're bringing people together who 1468 01:11:46,570 --> 01:11:49,690 disagree about abortion, for example, pro-choice, pro-life. 1469 01:11:49,690 --> 01:11:52,730 People that are coming together would agree about parental 1470 01:11:52,730 --> 01:11:55,610 rights issues. So I think it's just a matter of 1471 01:11:55,610 --> 01:11:58,330 time right now. I'd love to be able to sit down 1472 01:11:58,330 --> 01:12:01,450 with Bobby Kennedy and ask him about some of the questions that 1473 01:12:01,450 --> 01:12:04,970 American parents have regarding parental rights and education in 1474 01:12:04,970 --> 01:12:08,320 the future of our country, and hopefully at some point we'll 1475 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,400 have that opportunity. We invited President Biden, but 1476 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,400 we received no response from the White House. 1477 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,720 That's weird. I wonder why they did that. 1478 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,520 Do you think anybody is scared off from talking to you guys 1479 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,120 about this recent sort of Nazi situation that went on and we'll 1480 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,960 talk some Hitler? Because I did a whole podcast 1481 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,720 after that happened and and just did hit work quotes because I 1482 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,560 think they're they're relevant to this world. 1483 01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:32,410 Yeah, I mean it's interesting, you know one of the things that 1484 01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:34,850 we're told is that if we don't discuss history and study 1485 01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:36,490 history that it'll repeat itself. 1486 01:12:36,490 --> 01:12:38,730 And yet we find seem to find ourselves at this time in 1487 01:12:38,730 --> 01:12:41,970 America where there are a lot of people that don't want to talk 1488 01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:47,890 about history, if anyone. Dennis Prager spoke at the 1489 01:12:47,890 --> 01:12:52,730 summit and he said that if you are saying that that Hitler 1490 01:12:52,730 --> 01:12:55,890 quote was used by the chapter in support of Hitler, you're not 1491 01:12:55,890 --> 01:13:00,990 just lying, you are a liar. That is the truth. 1492 01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:03,830 We do not coparent with the government. 1493 01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:06,550 I said that when I was sitting on a school board. 1494 01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:08,430 I said that to the Superintendent who was trying to 1495 01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:11,710 create a medical committee where he was going to bring in doctors 1496 01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:13,950 who were going to make decisions for kids that we were all 1497 01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:16,230 supposed to follow. And I looked at them and I said 1498 01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:19,230 you don't understand. Like, even when I take my own 1499 01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:22,230 kid to the pediatrician, he can give me recommendations, but 1500 01:13:22,230 --> 01:13:26,230 it's still my choice as to whether or not I do those 1501 01:13:26,230 --> 01:13:29,490 things. So for you, Superintendent, to 1502 01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:31,650 tell me you're going to bring in doctors that I'm supposed to 1503 01:13:31,650 --> 01:13:35,250 listen to for my kids medical care, We don't coparent with the 1504 01:13:35,250 --> 01:13:37,650 government and we do have government schools. 1505 01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:40,250 It's not a slur. It it it, I don't mean it as an 1506 01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:42,490 insult. I just mean we have government 1507 01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:45,130 schools that teachers are government actors. 1508 01:13:45,130 --> 01:13:47,170 They do not have the right to free speech. 1509 01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:52,460 And so when you look in history at Mao and Stalin and Lenin and 1510 01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:56,420 Marx, and you look at the way that they wanted to use and did 1511 01:13:56,420 --> 01:14:00,020 use the education system to indoctrinate or program the 1512 01:14:00,020 --> 01:14:04,580 children to radically transform the country, that is what we 1513 01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:06,580 have happening in America right now. 1514 01:14:06,660 --> 01:14:09,900 Now, do we have genocide happening in America right now? 1515 01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:12,220 No, we do not. But it didn't start with 1516 01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:17,040 genocide, you know, so in in other places in history around 1517 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,400 the globe. So it was a warning cry meant 1518 01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:26,920 and used by that chapter to wake people up and say, hey, look, 1519 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,040 you know, President Biden saying they're not your children, 1520 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,920 they're all of our children. And and you know, that type of 1521 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,400 rhetoric, those types of statements are concerning and 1522 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,760 should be concerning. And and then there were some 1523 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:45,570 very there were some liars on Twitter and in other places, 1524 01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:49,770 including Gavin Newsom, the Lincoln Project, the DNC, David 1525 01:14:49,770 --> 01:14:53,610 French, Caitlin Flanagan. I mean, I could go on and on who 1526 01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:58,690 tried to somehow make it seem like we were people that 1527 01:14:58,690 --> 01:15:03,410 supported Hitler or were Nazis, and it was just absolutely 1528 01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:09,890 ridiculous craziness. I mean, just crazy. 1529 01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:14,060 And so, you know, the chapter immediately was like, wait, you 1530 01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:16,780 know, we didn't, we didn't mean to offend anyone. 1531 01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:19,220 Of course, this wasn't meant in that context. 1532 01:15:19,220 --> 01:15:23,020 And they tried to, you know, take steps to to they're just 1533 01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:25,460 nice moms. They just, you know, and add a 1534 01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:28,900 local little newsletter. They didn't think of any, you 1535 01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:31,900 know, and then you have it escalate to a national stage. 1536 01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:35,340 At which point, you know, I say I'm not throwing moms under the 1537 01:15:35,340 --> 01:15:37,020 bus. They didn't do anything wrong. 1538 01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:39,850 They don't support Hitler. None of us support Hitler. 1539 01:15:39,850 --> 01:15:43,410 We have Jewish members. And you know, you asked about 1540 01:15:43,410 --> 01:15:48,090 the L, GB, TQ stuff. We have Jewish members. 1541 01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:50,410 You know, we have Jewish funders. 1542 01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:56,490 How incredibly abusive and insulting for them to be 1543 01:15:56,490 --> 01:16:02,290 assaulted and be called Nazis. And Kyle, I've never seen so 1544 01:16:02,290 --> 01:16:06,330 many swastikas in my life as I have seen on Twitter. 1545 01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:10,870 Like Elon Musk said he has that I'm going to curse now so you 1546 01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:13,870 can do what you need to do with it, he said He has that Dick pic 1547 01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:17,670 bot that that stops. Did you see that him say that? 1548 01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:20,790 No, but it sounds right. Yeah, so somebody so libs of 1549 01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:23,870 TikTok got censored her, her accounts on Twitter got 1550 01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:27,590 censored, and she wanted to know why. 1551 01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:33,610 And he came back and said she had posted footage from a pride 1552 01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:37,170 parade where there were naked men riding around on bicycles 1553 01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:40,290 and their penises were out and children were seeing them at the 1554 01:16:40,290 --> 01:16:43,610 pride parades. And that's why libs of Tik Tok's 1555 01:16:43,810 --> 01:16:46,730 account was censored because she had shown that video. 1556 01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:50,890 So Elon's response back to her was we have a Dick pic bot. 1557 01:16:50,970 --> 01:16:54,850 And that's why I was like, Oh my gosh, perfect. 1558 01:16:54,850 --> 01:16:57,090 So I said, first of all, can we get those in real life? 1559 01:16:57,170 --> 01:16:59,890 Because we could use some of those for the parades. 1560 01:17:02,450 --> 01:17:06,650 And then the question becomes, like, I keep reporting all this 1561 01:17:06,650 --> 01:17:10,210 stuff on Twitter of like our mom's faces and they put 1562 01:17:10,210 --> 01:17:13,930 swastikas on their shirts or they change our logo and put 1563 01:17:13,930 --> 01:17:17,290 swastikas. Like the the people who don't 1564 01:17:17,290 --> 01:17:20,490 think anyone should be talking about Hitler are like spreading 1565 01:17:20,690 --> 01:17:25,390 Nazi propaganda everywhere. And yeah, what does that feel 1566 01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:26,830 like, being on the reception end of it? 1567 01:17:28,750 --> 01:17:32,030 Well, it's a lie. So I watched Tucker Carlson do 1568 01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:34,630 an interview, and he said that he was so funny. 1569 01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:37,870 He said every few years, every year, he gains some weight 1570 01:17:37,870 --> 01:17:39,350 because he likes Donuts or something. 1571 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:41,590 And then he sees his friends, and his friends are always like, 1572 01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:44,290 oh man, you put on a few pounds. And he was like, and that hurts 1573 01:17:44,290 --> 01:17:47,890 my feelings because it's true I put on some weight, he said. 1574 01:17:47,890 --> 01:17:51,090 But when people call me racist or Nazi or transphobe or bigot, 1575 01:17:51,090 --> 01:17:53,530 he's like, that doesn't really hurt my feelings because I know 1576 01:17:53,530 --> 01:17:57,210 it's not true. So what does it feel like? 1577 01:17:57,210 --> 01:18:00,210 Well, I mean, I'm not going to lie. 1578 01:18:00,210 --> 01:18:03,050 When Gavin Newsom sent out an e-mail to all of California 1579 01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:05,810 where they heavily edited me, giving a speech and tried to 1580 01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:10,620 make it seem like I supported Hitler, like, yeah, it wasn't 1581 01:18:10,620 --> 01:18:12,460 fun. I mean, Gavin Newsom, if you're 1582 01:18:12,460 --> 01:18:15,540 watching, it's incredibly disingenuous, lying, nasty thing 1583 01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:17,900 to do, and I will never let you become president of the United 1584 01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:20,020 States if I have anything to do about it. 1585 01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:25,220 But I know it's not true, right? Our moms know it's not true. 1586 01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:27,140 So. You do get that sympathetic 1587 01:18:27,140 --> 01:18:29,860 reaction though, where your heart rate goes up and your eyes 1588 01:18:29,860 --> 01:18:32,340 narrow and feel like someone's fighting you. 1589 01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:35,420 It's crazy. But James Lindsay said if if 1590 01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:38,540 there's anything anyone watches from our summit watch, go to 1591 01:18:38,540 --> 01:18:41,420 YouTube, go to our YouTube channel, watch James, Lindsay, 1592 01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:45,780 Conceptual James talk about surviving A struggle session. 1593 01:18:46,580 --> 01:18:49,300 And a struggle session is meant to do 2 things. 1594 01:18:49,300 --> 01:18:52,700 It's meant to apply outside pressure to your organization. 1595 01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:56,580 Like they tried to do right with all the emails and the things, 1596 01:18:56,620 --> 01:18:59,380 and then it also they want to. They also want internal 1597 01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:01,340 pressure. They want to divide you 1598 01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:04,000 internally. And we were given this 1599 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,280 incredible gift that we were able to have our summit right 1600 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,760 after all this external pressure was coming. 1601 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,960 So internally we were very much able to look at each other and 1602 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,560 support each other and say, yeah, it was beautiful. 1603 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,680 So how do you survive a struggle session? 1604 01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:25,600 You just don't quit. And we're not quitters, so we 1605 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,000 will survive the struggle session. 1606 01:19:27,630 --> 01:19:30,310 What was the internal dialogue like when those pieces started 1607 01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:32,750 running, when people started speaking, When you get emails 1608 01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:35,910 going up and down California, what was the membership saying 1609 01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:37,550 in other chapters? Obviously not the one that 1610 01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:39,390 happened. I just How did they receive 1611 01:19:39,390 --> 01:19:41,950 that? Yeah, they immediately knew. 1612 01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:45,800 Of course it wasn't true. You know, they they would, I 1613 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,640 think they would know if they were part of a Nazi 1614 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,240 organization. There's not one shred of 1615 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,840 evidence that anyone has been able to show like that. 1616 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,520 You know, there's ever been any type of Hitler support happening 1617 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,720 in the past 2 1/2 years. So it was pretty obvious to 1618 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,920 everyone, Like, this is a joke. It's a lie, right? 1619 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,360 They supported the chapter immediately, and there was just 1620 01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,320 a huge outpouring of support for that chapter amongst our moms. 1621 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,840 They support and learn from each other every day. 1622 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:14,670 So that was really heartwarming. You know, how do you deal with 1623 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:18,230 that from a national level? You have people that tell you 1624 01:20:18,230 --> 01:20:20,510 don't apologize. That's giving in. 1625 01:20:20,510 --> 01:20:22,790 And then you're you have people telling you, you know, you 1626 01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:25,590 should apologize because it's never okay to use a Hitler 1627 01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:27,190 quote. I think Rabbi Menken at the 1628 01:20:27,190 --> 01:20:29,750 summit said, you know, only Jewish people are allowed to 1629 01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,630 quote Hitler. And and he said that black 1630 01:20:31,630 --> 01:20:33,150 people, he was speaking to Mark Robinson. 1631 01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:35,550 He said, you know, are allowed to say the N word and he was 1632 01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:38,710 trying to make a joke, but Mark Robinson was laughing at that. 1633 01:20:38,710 --> 01:20:40,390 He was the next speaker that was coming up. 1634 01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:44,710 And, you know, so there was kind of just this, you know, dialogue 1635 01:20:44,710 --> 01:20:47,150 about how do you handle this? I I think that most 1636 01:20:47,150 --> 01:20:50,150 disappointing thing was just how disingenuous some of the people 1637 01:20:50,150 --> 01:20:53,270 were when they engaged with it. But the other thing, Kyle, was, 1638 01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:57,030 you know, Jen Psaki, who is not a real journalist. 1639 01:20:57,030 --> 01:21:00,630 She's just a mouthpiece. But, you know, she did a piece 1640 01:21:00,630 --> 01:21:03,230 about Moms for Liberty. But you didn't see NBC pick it 1641 01:21:03,230 --> 01:21:07,510 up or a BC or CBS or any of the networks. 1642 01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:11,170 Nobody picked it up like it was actual like it was real news or 1643 01:21:11,170 --> 01:21:15,610 something that to be covered. So you know, I mean I don't know 1644 01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:18,850 who how could you ever prepare to handle anything like that. 1645 01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:21,570 I don't know when you're. Ready now you know it's coming. 1646 01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:25,210 Was there anybody on on that would otherwise agree with you 1647 01:21:25,210 --> 01:21:26,890 that surprised you with their reaction to that kind of 1648 01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:30,730 controversy that you'd assume would be sort of favorable to 1649 01:21:30,730 --> 01:21:32,850 your positions but didn't didn't align with you. 1650 01:21:34,810 --> 01:21:37,290 No, I've never met David French, but everybody tells me that he's 1651 01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:39,740 not a very good person or nice guy. 1652 01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:43,540 So they don't use that. They don't use that word. 1653 01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:45,580 They use a different word. But I won't say that right now. 1654 01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:51,540 No, not really. I mean, I, I was just 1655 01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:55,300 overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from the people that 1656 01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:57,380 have done work with our organization. 1657 01:21:57,380 --> 01:21:59,460 You know, we're we're pretty large, right? 1658 01:21:59,460 --> 01:22:03,580 We have 100 and I say you know, 120,000 active members. 1659 01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:05,940 This, this isn't an e-mail list that I'm talking about. 1660 01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:08,900 These are like real people who are actively involved and 1661 01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:12,620 engaged in their communities. So, you know, we've given a lot 1662 01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:16,540 of access to organizations and different groups to our chapters 1663 01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:19,730 over the past 2 1/2 years and media for that matter. 1664 01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:25,490 So I just was thankful that when the time came that they needed 1665 01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:28,970 to stand up and say who we really were, they were able to 1666 01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:32,850 do that honestly, right. You know, it wasn't us saying 1667 01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:34,530 can you please come and help to support us. 1668 01:22:34,530 --> 01:22:37,370 It was them saying, wait a second, this is not, you know, 1669 01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:39,850 this is not who these people are and this is disingenuous. 1670 01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:46,330 So no, you know, I just, we were thankful really. 1671 01:22:46,330 --> 01:22:49,390 It was a blessing. Can we can we talk about the FBI 1672 01:22:49,390 --> 01:22:50,910 and the DOJ for a minute? Sure. 1673 01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:55,590 So in October 21, there was a back and forth about the 1674 01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:57,870 National Association of School Boards went and made some 1675 01:22:57,870 --> 01:23:00,590 advocacy to the White House. The White House sounds like they 1676 01:23:00,590 --> 01:23:03,470 made some advocacy to the DOJ and the Attorney General came 1677 01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:05,910 out and said some things about parents protesting at school 1678 01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:08,350 boards and then the FBI took some action on it. 1679 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:10,630 How did that affect your group and what do you think you guys 1680 01:23:10,630 --> 01:23:14,430 were as far as maybe a root cause or or a a secondary target 1681 01:23:14,430 --> 01:23:15,950 of that sort of operational work? 1682 01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:21,580 Well, I I think when when you have a situation where you have 1683 01:23:21,580 --> 01:23:23,980 parents that are upset about something in a school district, 1684 01:23:24,860 --> 01:23:28,180 shutting down conversation and shutting down citizen input is 1685 01:23:28,180 --> 01:23:31,300 not going to lead to any type of resolution. 1686 01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:35,500 Shutting people down and and not and silencing them is only going 1687 01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:37,540 to make them more upset and more concerned. 1688 01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:42,180 And that's exactly what the reaction was of school board 1689 01:23:42,180 --> 01:23:44,700 officials and other government officials around the country 1690 01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:49,530 during COVID. So our moms were coming out and 1691 01:23:49,530 --> 01:23:51,970 speaking at school board meetings and they were upset. 1692 01:23:52,330 --> 01:23:54,850 They were upset that their kids were being quarantined, healthy 1693 01:23:54,850 --> 01:23:57,610 quarantines left and right. I mean, I would watch them in my 1694 01:23:57,650 --> 01:24:00,050 own kids school district. You know, 50 kids at a high 1695 01:24:00,050 --> 01:24:03,250 school would be quarantined because some Department of 1696 01:24:03,250 --> 01:24:06,010 Health employee walked around with a ruler, A6 foot ruler, and 1697 01:24:06,010 --> 01:24:08,290 decided who was deemed close contact. 1698 01:24:08,490 --> 01:24:11,250 You're talking about healthy kids being quarantined 2 weeks 1699 01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:13,260 at a time, especially if you're in high school. 1700 01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:14,820 If you're a parent, you're a kid in high school. 1701 01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:16,580 You're training for different athletics and stuff. 1702 01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:18,900 You get quarantined 2 weeks. You know you miss the most 1703 01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:20,820 important track meet or swim meet of your life. 1704 01:24:21,580 --> 01:24:23,940 So it was devastating for these kids, right? 1705 01:24:25,660 --> 01:24:27,900 Parents were upset. They were coming and speaking at 1706 01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:30,060 school board meetings. There were many parents whose 1707 01:24:30,140 --> 01:24:34,420 masks were really harming kids. I would argue that masks harmed 1708 01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:38,870 every child. But masks harmed more, some kids 1709 01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:41,990 more more than others, I think. And I even saw that in my own 1710 01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:44,870 home. So yeah, our moms were out 1711 01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:46,750 speaking at school board meetings all over the country. 1712 01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:48,270 We were encouraging them to do that. 1713 01:24:49,550 --> 01:24:54,990 The National School Board Association, the the school 1714 01:24:54,990 --> 01:24:57,430 board members didn't know what to do. 1715 01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:05,330 They were in a state of panic because they were having people 1716 01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:10,530 coming and trying to force them to hold their authority and all 1717 01:25:10,530 --> 01:25:12,450 they wanted to do. And I speak from personal 1718 01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:15,250 experience because I watched my own school board members do it. 1719 01:25:15,490 --> 01:25:18,290 They just wanted to abdicate their authority to somebody 1720 01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:21,050 else, some experts, somebody that knew more than them, 1721 01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:24,210 whether that was the CDC or whether that was the Department 1722 01:25:24,210 --> 01:25:26,370 of Health. They just wanted to be able to 1723 01:25:26,370 --> 01:25:30,090 say, like, you know, oh, well, the recommendation is that we do 1724 01:25:30,090 --> 01:25:31,890 this and we're going to go with that recommendation. 1725 01:25:31,890 --> 01:25:34,650 But that's not the way that being an elected official works. 1726 01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:37,970 You have authority. You have to hold your authority 1727 01:25:38,170 --> 01:25:40,090 and you are responsible for making decisions. 1728 01:25:40,090 --> 01:25:42,170 That's what Governor DeSantis did when he started making 1729 01:25:42,170 --> 01:25:44,770 decisions in Florida once, you know, we started moving forward, 1730 01:25:44,770 --> 01:25:51,560 right. So the school board associations 1731 01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,080 no doubt went to the National School Board Association and 1732 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,920 said, uh, oh, we've got a real problem here. 1733 01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,560 The parents are coming to the meetings and you know, they're 1734 01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,360 they want to talk and they get 3 minutes and our meetings are, 1735 01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,840 you know, running 8910 hours. That was happening in my own 1736 01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,160 school district, were there. Oh yeah, I've sat for citizen 1737 01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,920 input for hours for 10 hours at a time. 1738 01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:13,720 Do these jobs pay very much, by the way? 1739 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,950 Being a school board member, they sometimes they pay, 1740 01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:19,430 sometimes they don't pay it all. In Florida, they get a salary 1741 01:26:20,110 --> 01:26:21,990 that I'm. I think that they should have to 1742 01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:24,310 pass a certification exam to be able to actually collect the 1743 01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:25,470 salary. So I'm working on that. 1744 01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:28,350 But in other places, no, you don't make any money at all for 1745 01:26:28,350 --> 01:26:28,870 doing it. Just. 1746 01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:30,190 Sitting there getting yelled at for free. 1747 01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:32,830 Yeah, but it's so important, right? 1748 01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:33,550 Like it's. Sure, sure. 1749 01:26:33,790 --> 01:26:36,630 No, you volunteered for it. So yeah. 1750 01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:41,510 So, you know, I think the NSBA they recognize. 1751 01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:44,340 Here's the thing, Kyle. I'll just break it down and and 1752 01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:46,940 really cut to the chase. Our education system is failing. 1753 01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:49,580 I mean, it's just failing. You can look at the name scores 1754 01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:51,140 from 2022. They're awful. 1755 01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:53,220 You can look at them from 2019. They weren't. 1756 01:26:53,220 --> 01:26:56,060 They were still really bad. And if you look at the increase 1757 01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:59,300 of spending in education in America, I have a chart. 1758 01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:01,540 I should have sent it to you so you could have put it up. 1759 01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:04,420 But if you look at the rise in education, you're talking about 1760 01:27:04,420 --> 01:27:08,820 now spending $850 billion in public education versus 2004 1761 01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:11,260 when we were spending, gosh, I want to look it up now. 1762 01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:15,420 So I get the exact number, but a huge, a huge increase. 1763 01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:18,740 I'm going to look it up because I know we're hold on one second. 1764 01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:22,340 That's fine. There is. 1765 01:27:22,820 --> 01:27:24,780 I mean, that goes to a question that I've always had, which is 1766 01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:26,700 that we seem to have more and more administration. 1767 01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:28,740 We have more and more costs, we're spending more and more on 1768 01:27:28,780 --> 01:27:30,420 education. We're seeing diminishing 1769 01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:32,660 results. I don't understand why that 1770 01:27:32,660 --> 01:27:34,420 continues to happen. I have an instinct, but I'm not 1771 01:27:34,420 --> 01:27:36,700 involved in it. And so, you know, the answer 1772 01:27:36,700 --> 01:27:38,380 from my house is like, why would we do that? 1773 01:27:38,380 --> 01:27:39,860 My wife is educated, and so am I. 1774 01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:43,270 My kids can learn pretty much everything from us up until they 1775 01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:45,910 get into calculus classes, which I I took five of those when I 1776 01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:48,270 was in college. So they're going to always be, 1777 01:27:48,670 --> 01:27:51,150 you know, less education than my wife and I who has. 1778 01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:53,430 She has a master's and I've got a bachelor's degree and a 1779 01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:54,750 million things. I studied everything. 1780 01:27:54,750 --> 01:27:57,790 So why am I sending it out if we can afford to keep them in? 1781 01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:00,510 And then the question is, what does it even cost for our mom to 1782 01:28:00,510 --> 01:28:01,830 go out and work outside of the house? 1783 01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:05,710 If you have young kids, it costs somebody else raising your kids 1784 01:28:05,710 --> 01:28:07,710 and putting their values on. I don't have time for that. 1785 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:10,730 So, you know, the amount of money we're spending seems 1786 01:28:10,730 --> 01:28:12,690 crazy. You said 808 hundred million or 1787 01:28:12,690 --> 01:28:13,730 800 billion? No. 1788 01:28:13,730 --> 01:28:19,690 So in 2004, we spent $470 billion in education in America 1789 01:28:20,410 --> 01:28:25,330 and now we spend $840 billion in 2023. 1790 01:28:25,530 --> 01:28:29,770 And the math scores on the NAPE have gone from 279 down to 271. 1791 01:28:29,930 --> 01:28:37,070 We have only so just so that we're clear, we have 83% of 1792 01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:40,950 black students not reading proficiently, 79% of Hispanic 1793 01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:43,750 students and 58% of white students not reading 1794 01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:45,790 proficiently. And when you look at black 1795 01:28:45,790 --> 01:28:48,430 students, 4th grade reading scores, and This is why. 1796 01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:52,190 When, This is why I don't buy any of the equity, any of the 1797 01:28:52,230 --> 01:28:54,590 discussions. I just don't buy it for a second 1798 01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:57,630 because the unions have controlled the schools for years 1799 01:28:57,630 --> 01:29:00,910 and years and years. And if if the system is racist, 1800 01:29:00,910 --> 01:29:06,720 it's because of them to be, to be honest with you, you have 56% 1801 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,560 of black students below basic. So that's not even a basic 1802 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:12,920 reading level. It's criminal. 1803 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,600 So parents are sending their kids to school thinking that 1804 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,480 their kids are learning to read and they're not. 1805 01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:20,000 They're they're being turned into little social justice 1806 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,960 warriors. So the education system is 1807 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,520 failing and parents start asking questions. 1808 01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,640 Schools are closed. Now all of a sudden, school is 1809 01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,970 on their kitchen table and they're watching their child who 1810 01:29:31,970 --> 01:29:36,530 cannot hold a pencil, cannot write, write, cannot write. 1811 01:29:36,610 --> 01:29:38,450 Because now they're on the computer at school all day long. 1812 01:29:38,450 --> 01:29:40,690 Parents didn't realize that. They didn't realize how much 1813 01:29:40,690 --> 01:29:42,610 time your kid is actually spending on a computer. 1814 01:29:42,610 --> 01:29:43,970 They're doing math on a computer. 1815 01:29:44,130 --> 01:29:48,420 They're doing all their English language arts on a computer and 1816 01:29:48,420 --> 01:29:51,180 then the parents saw the device of materials too, right? 1817 01:29:51,180 --> 01:29:54,860 They started to see the anti American content, the the device 1818 01:29:54,860 --> 01:29:59,700 of ideology when it came to race and anti religious and things 1819 01:29:59,700 --> 01:30:01,580 that they were seeing in some of the curriculum. 1820 01:30:01,940 --> 01:30:03,620 And we're talking about like English language arts. 1821 01:30:03,620 --> 01:30:05,660 By the way. This is when we go back to 1822 01:30:05,660 --> 01:30:07,900 Ferrari and talk about generative themes being 1823 01:30:07,900 --> 01:30:09,780 introduced. So, you know, you think it's an 1824 01:30:09,780 --> 01:30:13,060 English language arts, you know, class. 1825 01:30:13,260 --> 01:30:17,060 But now all of a sudden they're talking about, you know, that 1826 01:30:17,060 --> 01:30:20,060 you have second graders doing a civil rights module for 9 weeks 1827 01:30:20,060 --> 01:30:22,300 where one of the vocabulary words is injustice. 1828 01:30:22,460 --> 01:30:25,500 They're six, You know, Do they understand that, right. 1829 01:30:26,060 --> 01:30:28,380 There's a math framework. No. 1830 01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:30,900 So there's a math framework in California. 1831 01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:33,900 That Max Eden from a EI, he's a fellow. 1832 01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:36,380 He writes for Newsweek as well. He just did a piece. 1833 01:30:36,580 --> 01:30:39,660 If you look this up again, Max Eden, he deconstructs the 1834 01:30:39,660 --> 01:30:42,900 California math framework and shows how the children aren't 1835 01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:46,180 really being given practicable skills in math anymore. 1836 01:30:46,340 --> 01:30:49,580 They're it's it's all an opportunity to introduce 1837 01:30:49,580 --> 01:30:52,020 generative themes to the students about a lot of 1838 01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:54,660 different things, like reparations in California, for 1839 01:30:54,660 --> 01:30:58,300 example. So it's just a it's a very 1840 01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:00,700 interesting place where we find ourselves all of a sudden the 1841 01:31:00,700 --> 01:31:04,780 school board members are like, holy crap, all the parents are 1842 01:31:04,780 --> 01:31:08,300 freaking out because they know the kids aren't learning and 1843 01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:10,540 it's overwhelming and they're coming to us and they're very 1844 01:31:10,540 --> 01:31:11,620 upset. What are we going to do? 1845 01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:14,750 And the union's answer, because I don't think it was just the 1846 01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:16,910 NSBAI think the unions were involved. 1847 01:31:19,390 --> 01:31:22,070 NEAFT Randi Weingarten Becky Pringle. 1848 01:31:22,510 --> 01:31:25,070 Like they're like, uh oh, we need to shut this down. 1849 01:31:25,070 --> 01:31:29,790 Parents are finding their voice and this is not going to be good 1850 01:31:29,790 --> 01:31:31,150 for us. We need to put them back in 1851 01:31:31,150 --> 01:31:32,590 their place. How are we going to do that? 1852 01:31:32,590 --> 01:31:36,430 Well, let's get the school board association to contact whoever. 1853 01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:41,270 Let's get them to, you know, say these parents are being unruly. 1854 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:45,240 So then you've got this is how you get a mom who you know, yes 1855 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,560 was at her school board meeting and it is upset and is saying, 1856 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,400 you know, my son has been quarantined for 40 days. 1857 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,960 We are coming for your seats. We are going to get you out of 1858 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,480 office and telling school board members that. 1859 01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,320 And then the next day is making peanut butter and Jelly, and the 1860 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,960 FBI calls her like. What did they say? 1861 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,400 What was that interview like? Do you have any guns in your 1862 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,000 home? Business Now what? 1863 01:32:11,550 --> 01:32:14,070 Do you have a history of mental health illness? 1864 01:32:14,990 --> 01:32:16,310 Sounds like you need a subpoena for that. 1865 01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:17,150 Keep going. What else? 1866 01:32:17,150 --> 01:32:21,710 We got a conversation about why the mom had gone to the school 1867 01:32:21,710 --> 01:32:23,910 board meeting. I want to be really fair and say 1868 01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:28,550 the FBI agent was lovely and told the mom, like, listen, you 1869 01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:31,430 know, this was given to us to call and investigate, but we 1870 01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:34,630 don't see anything here to be. Would it surprise you to know 1871 01:32:34,630 --> 01:32:37,350 that that agent also has discretion, though, like you'd 1872 01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:40,110 expect? Does that agent have discretion? 1873 01:32:40,270 --> 01:32:42,980 Of course. Everybody has discretion. 1874 01:32:43,260 --> 01:32:45,540 They have agency, do they not? So that's what. 1875 01:32:46,380 --> 01:32:50,700 Troubles me. Well, she this mom was told that 1876 01:32:50,700 --> 01:32:54,540 she was not the only person that this agent had been told needed 1877 01:32:54,540 --> 01:32:57,460 to be followed up on. So there was a stack of other 1878 01:32:57,460 --> 01:32:59,820 people that were supposed to be followed up on. 1879 01:32:59,820 --> 01:33:02,740 And meaning, from being a school board member, this is like a 1880 01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:06,020 local law enforcement issue. If you had a mom or dad, right, 1881 01:33:06,020 --> 01:33:09,510 That came to a school board meeting and was upset and said, 1882 01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:12,510 you know, Tiffany Justice, I hate you and I'm going to come 1883 01:33:12,510 --> 01:33:16,670 after you, that would be like the sheriff who would go and 1884 01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:19,750 have a conversation, right? Were these meetings being done 1885 01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:21,430 over the Internet? Is that the reason why that the 1886 01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:23,630 FBI was involved? No. 1887 01:33:23,630 --> 01:33:25,470 This this is were in person meetings. 1888 01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:27,990 So, you know, there's a differentiation between what we 1889 01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:30,510 would call in person threats or localized threats, which is like 1890 01:33:30,510 --> 01:33:33,590 you said, local law enforcement and what we call Interstate 1891 01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:36,110 threats, which means even if you're in the same state. 1892 01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:39,780 You touch wire, which is going to be phone, e-mail, text, 1893 01:33:39,780 --> 01:33:42,260 whatever, video chat. Those things are considered 1894 01:33:42,260 --> 01:33:44,580 Interstate because they use the means of Interstate even if 1895 01:33:44,580 --> 01:33:46,100 they're not from a different state. 1896 01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:49,500 And that's that's 18 USEAI think 875 the Interstate threat 1897 01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,220 clause. So that's the only FBI Nexus to 1898 01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:53,900 it. But I used to get these too. 1899 01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:55,380 I would just make a phone call to that person. 1900 01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:57,900 If they said, you know, I don't like the mayor and I'm coming 1901 01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:00,180 for him, I would call the person up because I don't want to drive 1902 01:34:00,180 --> 01:34:01,300 out there. That's a waste of my time. 1903 01:34:01,820 --> 01:34:04,140 Hey man, are you physically coming for the mayor? 1904 01:34:05,420 --> 01:34:06,540 And he'd be like, what are you talking about? 1905 01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:08,500 I said, you said something. It got reported to me. 1906 01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:10,460 I'm from the FBI. I'm calling you to ask you a 1907 01:34:10,460 --> 01:34:13,100 quick question. You know, you posted something 1908 01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:14,460 on social media. I watched it. 1909 01:34:14,540 --> 01:34:17,700 Tell me what you meant and the guy would go, no, I'm mad. 1910 01:34:17,700 --> 01:34:18,900 I'm going to run in the next election. 1911 01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:20,740 Very nice. Have a lovely life. 1912 01:34:20,900 --> 01:34:24,180 Like, goodbye closed. So the the agent does have the 1913 01:34:24,180 --> 01:34:25,700 discretion on how they handled this sort of thing. 1914 01:34:25,700 --> 01:34:27,260 But they knocked on on this mom's door. 1915 01:34:27,260 --> 01:34:30,260 It sounds like they called on the phone. 1916 01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:33,740 They called on the phone to speak to the mom and but at the 1917 01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:37,140 end of the conversation did say, you know we don't see any issue 1918 01:34:37,140 --> 01:34:38,500 here. Like we just want to be clear 1919 01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:39,860 with. You. 1920 01:34:39,940 --> 01:34:42,300 Yeah, it was a phone call. But but then the mom was also 1921 01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:45,100 told to not discuss the fact that she had been called, that 1922 01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:50,220 She should not share that. So the mom called me and you 1923 01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:53,860 know, I, I, you know, can the FBI tell you that? 1924 01:34:54,180 --> 01:34:56,820 Can the FBI say don't tell anyone that we called you? 1925 01:34:57,390 --> 01:34:58,790 You've read the 1st Amendment. What do you think? 1926 01:34:59,350 --> 01:35:01,830 Right. But but when you're a mom making 1927 01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:04,390 peanut butter and Jelly sandwiches right in in the 1928 01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:07,950 middle of America and and the FBI calls you, that's scary. 1929 01:35:08,590 --> 01:35:11,190 You know and and and it it it absolutely. 1930 01:35:11,190 --> 01:35:13,950 I've said from the beginning it it was meant to chill speech. 1931 01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:19,670 It did chill speech. We had to work hard to make sure 1932 01:35:19,670 --> 01:35:22,510 that people understood. Jeff Childers, Coffee and COVID 1933 01:35:22,510 --> 01:35:27,370 came to the, came to the summit we had in Tampa and he very 1934 01:35:27,370 --> 01:35:31,650 clearly said to the moms, you don't need to talk to the FBI. 1935 01:35:31,650 --> 01:35:35,690 If the FBI calls you, you just tell them, do you have a 1936 01:35:35,690 --> 01:35:38,890 subpoena? I want, I need to get a lawyer 1937 01:35:38,890 --> 01:35:41,050 you, he said. You do not talk to the FBI. 1938 01:35:41,050 --> 01:35:44,450 Like who would have ever thought that moms would have to do that. 1939 01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:47,250 That's crazy. I mean. 1940 01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:49,940 Yeah, Some of the stuff you talked about earlier, people 1941 01:35:49,940 --> 01:35:52,340 might call it very radical. You were making references to. 1942 01:35:52,340 --> 01:35:55,420 Now you're making references to to Nazi Germany. 1943 01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:59,020 And so people could say that's a very radical extreme to jump to 1944 01:35:59,020 --> 01:36:01,900 from what we're seeing. And then you're dealing with 1945 01:36:01,900 --> 01:36:05,100 this statement, talking about moms having the FBI call them up 1946 01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:08,580 and ask them about things they said in person for theoretically 1947 01:36:08,580 --> 01:36:11,380 a local school board meeting. Where's that jump come in for 1948 01:36:11,380 --> 01:36:14,020 you? Because it looks fairly clear to 1949 01:36:14,020 --> 01:36:14,660 me. I don't think it's. 1950 01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:17,410 I don't think it's illogical, but is that the mindset that 1951 01:36:17,410 --> 01:36:19,850 you're going with? We we just see there's a very 1952 01:36:19,850 --> 01:36:23,930 clear effort by the federal government to to weaponize all 1953 01:36:23,930 --> 01:36:26,810 of the different agencies against the American people who 1954 01:36:26,810 --> 01:36:28,850 are concerned about the federal government. 1955 01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:31,730 I mean, we are watching it happen in our lives every day. 1956 01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:34,650 And then you also just made excuses for the person that 1957 01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:38,910 called, though, because I happen to think that the majority of 1958 01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:42,790 FBI agents thought it was total baloney nonsense, like even this 1959 01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:46,270 mom was saying, the FBI agent said to her, like, no, I totally 1960 01:36:46,270 --> 01:36:48,550 understand why you would be upset that your child was 1961 01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:51,070 quarantined for 40 straight days out of school. 1962 01:36:51,070 --> 01:36:55,710 Like the, you know, I think the FBI agent seemed to know that 1963 01:36:55,710 --> 01:36:58,630 this was so outside of the bounds of what they would 1964 01:36:58,630 --> 01:37:02,070 normally be doing. Does it bother you that they 1965 01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:05,420 still made the phone call then? I don't, You know, to be honest 1966 01:37:05,420 --> 01:37:06,620 with you, Kyle, I didn't. I don't. 1967 01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:08,860 I don't know that they had the discretion as to whether or not 1968 01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:10,700 they personally were going to make that call. 1969 01:37:11,420 --> 01:37:12,620 I don't know. I lost the job over it. 1970 01:37:12,620 --> 01:37:16,300 I feel like they did. It's one of those it's it's I 1971 01:37:16,540 --> 01:37:19,980 think we all have this instinct to be so the so be so 1972 01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:23,020 accommodating of people for their individual circumstances. 1973 01:37:23,460 --> 01:37:25,820 And the only time that I don't think that's fair is when you 1974 01:37:25,820 --> 01:37:28,700 are a agent of the top end of that government structure. 1975 01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:30,820 There's a layer cake and the federal government is the 1976 01:37:30,820 --> 01:37:33,460 biggest hammer and you guys have seen it. 1977 01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:35,410 And as you said, it doesn't feel good. 1978 01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:37,170 And it's scared. I'm, I'm sure it scared this 1979 01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:39,890 woman, it was scary. And the other thing was that I 1980 01:37:39,890 --> 01:37:42,050 watched even school. I mean, I I don't know how many 1981 01:37:42,050 --> 01:37:44,690 school meetings I've watched now where you would see school board 1982 01:37:44,690 --> 01:37:48,230 members directing the law enforcement like that. 1983 01:37:48,230 --> 01:37:50,230 Blew my mind. You know, the law enforcement's 1984 01:37:50,230 --> 01:37:52,350 there to keep everyone safe, but they would use it. 1985 01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:54,270 I was almost like their personal security where? 1986 01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:55,790 Like get this person out of here, right? 1987 01:37:55,790 --> 01:37:58,710 Like we had a mom in Sarasota who said one of the school board 1988 01:37:58,710 --> 01:38:01,950 members names and the school board chair cut the mic and the 1989 01:38:01,950 --> 01:38:04,030 mom wouldn't stop talking. She kept talking at the 1990 01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:05,990 microphone. And then you saw the school 1991 01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:10,590 board chairs telling the sheriff's deputies to remove the 1992 01:38:10,590 --> 01:38:13,270 mother and there was one guy who stepped forward. 1993 01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:15,870 I still have the video who started to walk forward and the 1994 01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:19,830 other law enforcement agent put his arm out and just stopped 1995 01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:21,950 him. Like that's not our job, man. 1996 01:38:22,350 --> 01:38:25,150 Like, you know. But that is the danger when you 1997 01:38:25,150 --> 01:38:27,310 follow orders. They call it the superior 1998 01:38:27,310 --> 01:38:28,710 orders. Defense of a lot of people know 1999 01:38:28,710 --> 01:38:30,950 it is the Nuremberg defense. And that's really what I'm 2000 01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:33,790 getting at here. This is all happened before, 2001 01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:37,750 historically, people made a lot of excuses, I'm sure for guys 2002 01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:39,590 who started working for the Nazis because they just, you 2003 01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:40,830 know, they're just doing their job. 2004 01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:43,470 They're just going to get names of people that live in that 2005 01:38:43,470 --> 01:38:44,710 house. They're just finding out who the 2006 01:38:44,710 --> 01:38:46,830 people were that were at the meeting last night. 2007 01:38:47,110 --> 01:38:49,080 They're just. Making everybody wear a badge 2008 01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:50,360 because they're part of the Moms for Liberty. 2009 01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,520 You got to put that on your you got to put that on your door 2010 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,360 now. So we know who you are because 2011 01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,320 you know we have to watch you. We don't want to, but we have 2012 01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,440 to. Where does that end? 2013 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,680 I think we've seen it in a couple different societies, 2014 01:39:02,440 --> 01:39:03,880 yeah. And and I think that's the 2015 01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,560 reason why when you see see our moms calling it out, right. 2016 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,880 There's a real effort to suppress that honest, that 2017 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,760 honesty. And there's a real. 2018 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:14,160 Get the hell out of me like I'm I'm. 2019 01:39:15,260 --> 01:39:17,540 I'm not a mom for liberty. I'm not a mom at all, actually, 2020 01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:22,020 but I am for liberty in general and any like, even people saying 2021 01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:23,980 things that we don't agree with. I in fact, I'd love to have 2022 01:39:23,980 --> 01:39:25,220 somebody who would debate you about this. 2023 01:39:25,220 --> 01:39:26,220 And I'll have them on the show, too. 2024 01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:28,060 And they can come and tell me all the counterpoints and I'll 2025 01:39:28,060 --> 01:39:30,220 let them have a fair shot because I'll listen to anybody. 2026 01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:32,820 I really will. You know, until you start 2027 01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:34,580 threatening violence or you start getting law enforcement 2028 01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:36,780 involved and that's what the that's what the government is. 2029 01:39:36,780 --> 01:39:39,060 It's a threat of violence. I think that's what everybody 2030 01:39:39,060 --> 01:39:41,660 instinctively knows. They don't maybe articulate it 2031 01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:44,400 that way. I think that there are things I 2032 01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,120 I keep saying I think, which I I don't want to say because we, I 2033 01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,280 know them to be true. We know them to be true, that 2034 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,440 there is an enormous amount of of global influence happening 2035 01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:55,120 right now for people that are paying attention. 2036 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,280 Joe Biden, the United States of America, just rejoin UNESCO as a 2037 01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,360 paying member. That's a bad thing. 2038 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:02,600 Tell. Tell. 2039 01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:04,200 People. What that means so? 2040 01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:08,230 Well, it's complicated, but UNESCO, the United Nations, 2041 01:40:08,230 --> 01:40:10,790 UNESCO has something called the Sustainable Development Goals, 2042 01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:12,670 2030 Sustainable Development Goals. 2043 01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:15,030 You can go and look at them. There are 17 of them. 2044 01:40:15,790 --> 01:40:21,030 You will be really, really blown away at how the global influence 2045 01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:23,270 of the United Nations and the things that they want to see 2046 01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:26,670 happen across the globe are actually happening right now in 2047 01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:32,310 America. We we UNESCO and and is a part 2048 01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:34,790 of the United Nations that focuses on education. 2049 01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:39,390 And science and communication. And so they we haven't been a 2050 01:40:39,390 --> 01:40:42,430 paying member for some time. In fact, I think Obama actually 2051 01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:44,470 stopped. We stopped being a paying member 2052 01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:48,510 and then President Trump pulled this out completely I believe in 2053 01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:51,510 2018. Now President Biden has 2054 01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:54,150 reengaged with UNESCO. We actually pay. 2055 01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:58,230 I think that the vast majority of the budget for UNESCO, go 2056 01:40:58,230 --> 01:41:02,630 figure we probably had back payments of over $500 million 2057 01:41:02,630 --> 01:41:04,790 given to UNESCO to to rejoin right now. 2058 01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:07,750 Now, good. Oh yeah, that's exactly where 2059 01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:08,990 our money should be going, Right. 2060 01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:12,550 And what you're going to look and see is that a lot of the 2061 01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:14,910 things that are happening in American schools where you're 2062 01:41:14,910 --> 01:41:17,710 like, why is this happening? Why this gender identity 2063 01:41:17,710 --> 01:41:20,510 conversation that, like, wasn't happening at all, right. 2064 01:41:20,510 --> 01:41:22,910 Why is this happening? Well, you can look at the 2065 01:41:22,990 --> 01:41:25,630 Sustainable Development Goals and gender identity and gender 2066 01:41:25,630 --> 01:41:28,900 exclusivity is one of the goals. And then you can look at the 2067 01:41:28,980 --> 01:41:31,900 National Education Association that has curriculum that they 2068 01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:35,740 have specifically written in line with the 2030 Sustainable 2069 01:41:35,740 --> 01:41:38,980 Development Goals that's all online for anyone to go and look 2070 01:41:38,980 --> 01:41:43,020 up and see. And so I think that there 2071 01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:46,460 there's a lot of concern about what's happening in America 2072 01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:49,540 right now and how much control we actually have on the things 2073 01:41:49,540 --> 01:41:53,650 that are happening. That that, you know really you 2074 01:41:53,650 --> 01:41:56,730 would normally need Congress to act and and to be a part of and 2075 01:41:56,730 --> 01:41:59,650 to be making decisions about. But there the IT seems like our 2076 01:41:59,650 --> 01:42:03,290 elected officials have either abdicated their authority or you 2077 01:42:03,290 --> 01:42:06,730 know, are not. I mean I guess whether willfully 2078 01:42:06,730 --> 01:42:09,450 or not have abdicated their authority to a certain degree. 2079 01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,240 I think it's all there. There's so much more here. 2080 01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,320 And also I know you have a cofounder and you have some 2081 01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:16,360 other folks in your organization. 2082 01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,640 So what if what if we do this, what if we we may have to break 2083 01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,640 this into more pieces. I think there's so much more to 2084 01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:22,360 it. I think people will be 2085 01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,480 fascinated to hear this and I think that we're we're button up 2086 01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:27,240 on a time limit for Ryan here, our producer. 2087 01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:32,160 So I'm going to shut it at that point with probably infinite 2088 01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:33,600 more information. You guys have been doing this 2089 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,000 for years now and there's obviously so many chapters. 2090 01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,000 If you if you get a panel of folks that want to come in and 2091 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,320 and contribute, and if you have anybody that's a naysayer that 2092 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,840 would like to to join us, I would have very much fun 2093 01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,440 moderating a discussion of people that can argue the other 2094 01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:46,680 side. I'll I'll try to dig one up too, 2095 01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:48,600 because I think that might be fun in a respectful way. 2096 01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,840 I'm here for it. I'd like to debate Randi 2097 01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,440 Weingarten. I've asked her several times. 2098 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:54,920 That'd be fun. Yeah. 2099 01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,680 I've said nasty things about her, so I may not be as easy to 2100 01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:00,400 get her on, but I would do it if she would want to. 2101 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,400 Come on, I appreciate that you're a fighter. 2102 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,080 I appreciate that you've gotten involved in this thing. 2103 01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,310 I think so many of us have gotten into a place where nobody 2104 01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:08,470 expected to be. I'm sure you didn't set out in 2105 01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:10,350 your life to go and be doing interviews all day long. 2106 01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:12,990 You just want to raise your kiddos and who? 2107 01:43:12,990 --> 01:43:14,790 Who better than moms, though, than to fight for that, what 2108 01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:16,390 their kids are going to see in the in the world we're going to 2109 01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:18,190 have? Yeah, that's the really the 2110 01:43:18,190 --> 01:43:20,390 message, Kyle. It's it's it's really, if it's 2111 01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:24,030 not you, if not me, then who? Thomas Paine said. 2112 01:43:24,030 --> 01:43:26,550 If there must be trouble, let it come in my day so that my 2113 01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:29,750 children may live in peace. And I think that's where parents 2114 01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:32,430 are right now in America. There is a lot of trouble. 2115 01:43:33,090 --> 01:43:36,810 And we are uniquely positioned to head it off and to fight 2116 01:43:36,810 --> 01:43:38,970 back. And so we will try to do that. 2117 01:43:38,970 --> 01:43:41,770 And then we'll also raise a generation of patriots who are 2118 01:43:41,770 --> 01:43:44,810 going to also have to fight. Because when this is not going 2119 01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:48,090 to be turned around in just a few years, it is going to take a 2120 01:43:48,090 --> 01:43:51,050 lot of vigilance from all of us in order to get America going 2121 01:43:51,050 --> 01:43:53,180 back on the right track again. Fair enough. 2122 01:43:53,180 --> 01:43:55,100 All right, Plug some socials, Plug some places where people 2123 01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:57,180 can find your stuff. All these charts and graphs and 2124 01:43:57,180 --> 01:44:00,300 all your advocacy stuff. Go to momsforliberty.org big 2125 01:44:00,300 --> 01:44:01,860 map. There you can click on the map. 2126 01:44:01,860 --> 01:44:04,060 See if we have a chapter in your state, in your county. 2127 01:44:04,060 --> 01:44:06,540 If we don't, Click to start one. Maybe it's not you. 2128 01:44:06,540 --> 01:44:09,020 Maybe it's your aunt or your uncle or your sister or your 2129 01:44:09,020 --> 01:44:09,980 brother. Who knows? 2130 01:44:10,380 --> 01:44:12,660 Maybe you get to be the vice chair or the treasurer or 2131 01:44:12,660 --> 01:44:15,620 something like that. But Click to start a chapter. 2132 01:44:15,620 --> 01:44:18,260 That's really the best way that you can get involved right now. 2133 01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:22,380 You can follow us on Instagram on Twitter. 2134 01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:26,740 Moms, the number for Liberty You can follow me at 4 Tiffany 2135 01:44:26,740 --> 01:44:32,180 Justice Tina Deskovich at Tina Deskovich Just you know, check 2136 01:44:32,180 --> 01:44:35,620 out the website and feel free to to send us an e-mail, ask 2137 01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:37,660 questions. We are here to help. 2138 01:44:39,140 --> 01:44:42,380 I appreciate you being available to us for this long little sit 2139 01:44:42,380 --> 01:44:43,820 down and like I said, we'll do it again. 2140 01:44:43,820 --> 01:44:45,580 If you want to do a Twitter space, I'd be more than happy to 2141 01:44:45,580 --> 01:44:47,380 host one of those two. That's been kind of our fun 2142 01:44:47,380 --> 01:44:49,100 follow-ups where people can bring their questions. 2143 01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:51,900 Tiffany, thanks so much for being part of the show today. 2144 01:44:52,420 --> 01:44:53,660 Thank you, Kyle. I appreciate it. 2145 01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:58,940 It was fun. All right ladies and gentlemen, 2146 01:44:58,940 --> 01:45:00,940 that was our wrap up. That was the interview for 2147 01:45:00,940 --> 01:45:02,300 today. I do really want to say thanks 2148 01:45:02,300 --> 01:45:04,140 for sitting through it and I hope you enjoyed it. 2149 01:45:04,140 --> 01:45:06,020 I actually really enjoyed talking to Tiffany. 2150 01:45:06,020 --> 01:45:09,140 She is a lovely guest right now. I'll just let you know you've 2151 01:45:09,140 --> 01:45:10,340 been listening to the Kyle Sarafin Show. 2152 01:45:10,340 --> 01:45:13,060 It is streamed live from Liberty Hill, TX every morning now at 2153 01:45:13,060 --> 01:45:18,140 9:30 Eastern Time or at 8:30 in Texas, America. 2154 01:45:18,340 --> 01:45:19,980 We got to take a couple people. First one is you. 2155 01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:21,420 Thanks for sitting through and listening to our show. 2156 01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:24,660 Thanks for joining us in the morning on rumble.com/kyle 2157 01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:26,260 Serafin. I know a couple people had some 2158 01:45:26,260 --> 01:45:28,340 glitches today. It sounds like that is a rumble 2159 01:45:28,340 --> 01:45:30,660 thing that's not coming from us, but they are trying to grow the 2160 01:45:30,660 --> 01:45:32,620 platform. So be patient with them as they 2161 01:45:32,620 --> 01:45:35,220 look to supplant YouTube. We're really grateful that there 2162 01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:38,020 is a free speech platform and we are here for it. 2163 01:45:38,020 --> 01:45:40,340 I want to say thank you to a couple of our new monthly 2164 01:45:40,340 --> 01:45:43,270 supporters. Critter, 64 joined us and hit 2165 01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:45,190 the subscribe button and then there's an opportunity I guess 2166 01:45:45,190 --> 01:45:46,830 that you could support the channel with 5 bucks a month. 2167 01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:48,390 It's awesome. I didn't know about that. 2168 01:45:48,430 --> 01:45:50,430 I got a couple of you out there. It looks like 5 or 6 have done 2169 01:45:50,430 --> 01:45:52,030 that. And also FBI. 2170 01:45:52,030 --> 01:45:54,070 Pani Raid who has been following us for a while and is always 2171 01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:55,670 there in the live chat did the same thing. 2172 01:45:55,670 --> 01:45:58,150 So thanks to both of you. And then a couple rumble rants 2173 01:45:58,150 --> 01:46:02,110 both from Eric, Jason and from Critter 64 trying to support 2174 01:46:02,110 --> 01:46:03,830 this show guys, very much appreciated. 2175 01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:06,830 It really is not necessary, but if you want to do it, we won't 2176 01:46:06,830 --> 01:46:08,990 say no. And this show does continue to 2177 01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:10,970 grow. Because of the five star 2178 01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:14,090 reviews, we're up to 625. I bet we get to 650 by the end 2179 01:46:14,090 --> 01:46:15,610 of next week. If you guys go out there, you 2180 01:46:15,610 --> 01:46:18,410 can leave a 5 star review almost after every single show. 2181 01:46:18,410 --> 01:46:20,650 So if you had one that you liked, one touches your fancy, 2182 01:46:20,770 --> 01:46:23,250 click on the little link there. That'll take you to the Apple 2183 01:46:23,250 --> 01:46:24,530 podcast. Obviously you have to have an 2184 01:46:24,530 --> 01:46:28,210 iPod, an iPhone rather, or a or a Mac, and it'll get you there. 2185 01:46:28,330 --> 01:46:31,410 But you can leave one of those reviews, like this one from 2186 01:46:31,410 --> 01:46:35,230 Jay-Z. Couple of Z's Couple of E's says 2187 01:46:35,230 --> 01:46:38,110 on .5 Stars. This is an informative podcast 2188 01:46:38,110 --> 01:46:39,630 that exposed the truth about the FBI. 2189 01:46:39,710 --> 01:46:41,910 We need to understand the truth about what happened at the Dolce 2190 01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:44,390 Base and respectfully honor those laws. 2191 01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:47,830 Godspeed, Sir. Dude definitely gets after it. 2192 01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:52,550 Digging in and getting wild with these bad boys again from Jayz. 2193 01:46:52,750 --> 01:46:56,350 I think that Jayz is someone that I know living up in the 2194 01:46:56,350 --> 01:46:58,350 great state of Montana. Might be a good friend of mine 2195 01:46:58,550 --> 01:47:00,270 who has a fascination with the Dolce Base folks. 2196 01:47:00,270 --> 01:47:02,070 One day we'll talk about the Dolce Base. 2197 01:47:02,430 --> 01:47:04,270 It's probably a Twitter space thing than anything else. 2198 01:47:04,270 --> 01:47:06,950 You probably heard me talk about it, but aliens in New Mexico 2199 01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:09,510 might make it for a fun thing. Maybe get Alex Jones to come to 2200 01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:11,030 one. Anyway, thanks for the five star 2201 01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:12,110 reviews. We do appreciate that. 2202 01:47:12,110 --> 01:47:14,270 And again, our show is really only possible because the hard 2203 01:47:14,270 --> 01:47:16,790 work and skill of the technical producer that you saw, Ryan 2204 01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:18,550 Maddow, he's the one out there taping these interviews and 2205 01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:21,190 making it happen. You can follow Ryan on Twitter. 2206 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:28,000 His handle is Ryan Madda, MATTA Media, Ryan Madda Media and a 2207 01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,000 big thanks to Tiffany Justice for being our guest today. 2208 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,320 It was a really a great conversation on my end. 2209 01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:34,960 I really enjoyed it. I walked away feeling good about 2210 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,840 it. I hope you guys all enjoyed what 2211 01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,890 you heard. 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Folks, we will see you tomorrow. 2233 01:48:31,220 --> 01:48:33,020 Have a great day. Thanks for listening to The Kyle 2234 01:48:33,020 --> 01:48:36,940 Seraphin Show streamed live weekdays on rubble.com/kyle 2235 01:48:36,940 --> 01:48:39,260 Seraphin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, Truth, 2236 01:48:39,260 --> 01:48:42,540 Social and Instagram at Kyle Seraphin.