Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistle blower, an
American patriot. Prepare to embrace the
uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for
comforting lies. Here is civil liberties
enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI
agent Kyle Seraphin. Hello, my friends.
Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show.
Today is Friday. It is September the 12th.
And the breaking news that came out just within the last hour is
Donald Trump being on Fox News saying that we've got him
indicating that they have captured the the shooter or they
believe that they captured the shooter who was involved in the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. So that's good news.
He was a little bit hesitant. We're going to play you some of
the clips. You guys can make up your own
mind. Some of the things that came out
of that don't actually assure me as much as I would hope.
We're going to still talk about some of the things that were a
little bit too close to the best for me yesterday, and we're
going to go into that. And I brought on someone who
very quickly is going to be joining us, our friend George
Hill. He's a supervisory special,
sorry, supervisory intelligence analyst, retired from the FBI.
He was involved integrally in the Boston Marathon bombing,
which was also a very large high profile national case.
I'm interested in kind of comparing and contrasting his
experiences with that and what happened here.
I what I don't see is a huge amount of confidence
demonstrated by the FBI. You guys are going to hear that
in the Fox clip very shortly. But what you're going to hear is
that it sounds like the guy turned himself in.
Now, whether that was because of pressure or otherwise, what I
want to do is, is address the online conspiracy possibilities
because there's an awful lot of people that immediately jump to,
it was Israel, it was a professional assassin, it was
all these things. None of those things have to be
true. And it turns out, just like we
talked about earlier this week, when you are in a post trust
society where we no longer believe most of the things that
people say in the mainstream media and in the various
institutions that we used to be able to trust, folks always go
to whatever their default settings are.
And usually that is just whatever it is that I feel,
don't confuse me with the facts. I already have an opinion.
We're going to get into that. We're going to get into a
concept called assassination culture, which has been studied
and was actually being introduced earlier on in this
year. I had an FBI agent reach out to
me and share just an article from my from my perusal.
So we're going to talk about assassination culture and where
it resides and what part of the political aisle it tends to sit
on. A couple of other things out
there. And then I also want to do sort
of a survey about cyber threats. And this is something that we
talk about regularly because we have an advertiser that does it.
And what I wanted to do is kind of gather a couple of different
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We're going to get into a bunch of stuff today, kind of a kind
of a wild Friday. It's been an intense week,
folks. So let's do that right now.
And as we do an intense week, sometimes it's helpful to share
the burden. It's helpful to have another set
of eyes on the situation. So I'm going to bring on my
friend and former FBI senior. Was it senior or supervisory
intelligence analyst? GS14 Supervisory Intelligence
Analyst and this is I I actually said no to stupid ideas, so my
upward movement was quickly throttled.
This is George Hill, folks. He is a suspendable, he's one of
our friends. He was a whistleblower to
Congress that many of you may have heard if you heard about
how the FBI was giving information to Bank of America
without being asked about it. He also was one of the the
supervisors that handled the national intelligence side of
the Boston Marathon bombing. So, George, you, you saw, I know
you've been following the news real aggressively.
What did you see in this sort of story about Charlie Kirk right
on the onset? What were your initial
impressions as a guy who's done some some aggressive things
overseas that maybe we can't talk about?
So are you asking for initial impressions regarding the
shooting or the FBI and law enforcement response or or both?
And where do you want me to start?
Yeah. Will you start with, did you
immediately assume that this had to be an intelligence operative
operating on behalf of a foreign nation?
No, you got to start from zero. You want to you want to
eliminate that from the very onset.
And it's hard. You know, you, you, you train
for work. You ideally you practice it and
during your career path, but you want to leave all options open
and look at the facts and the data as it materializes.
And then your focus should be is opening up the aperture as far
as necessary in order to Hoover up all of the possible
information that may be relevant to the case and then sort out
the wheat from the chaff. So you have to start with no
assumptions whatsoever. And I enjoyed looking at some of
the people's assumptions. You know, we're still looking
for that zip line. It was used for the Butler
shooter, you know, So I, I just by nature, I think really, I'm a
skeptical person. So really hasn't been hard for
me to dismiss those kinds of of things as they're rolled out.
George, this is supposedly the rifle that was used.
There was a lot of speculation immediately about whether or not
this was actually the tool that was or the implement that was up
on the on the roof with the shooter.
And people pointed out all kinds of problems, like the fact that
it's in a brand new box. Have you seen evidence
collection in the field by law enforcement?
Can you talk anything about that?
Does that make any sense to you that they would have an evidence
collection box for a for a rifle?
So I had a very good optic on evidence where we closed
Boylston Street for almost an entire week and set the standard
for evidence collection over a mass over a couple block area
right after the marathon bombing.
And so boy, if that was a breadcrumb, you know, you could
probably do a little bit better and maybe come up with a rifle
that can be disassembled and broken in half, such as an AR15
platform. But you can't just unscrew a
barrel from a bolt action. As the owner of multiple bolt
action rifles, that's just not the way it works.
Yeah, So here's here's what I saw.
First of all, I might play in just a second here the the
update from Donald Trump, but this is the thing that I saw
people dissecting. You heard people like Michael
Savage going out there and screaming about this, that we're
being lied to and all this kind of nonsense.
And, and it doesn't always have to be that wild, at least as my
estimation. The claim was, is that the
shooter somehow managed to mount the rooftop.
We can talk about how that could happen.
Then had a rifle or brought left a rifle up there.
I think the instinct from what I have from watching him walk is
that he probably left it up there.
Then he posted up at a 200 yard shot and used this rifle
allegedly. Then he made his his, his E&E
plan and, and escaped off the back end where it was only one
story off the ground and he jumped to the ground and people
said they couldn't see the rifle, although it's pretty
clear he's got like a long package of some kind in his
hand. If you look at this rifle
specifically, I'm going to call your attention to it.
So folks, if you're just listening, you're going to miss
out. I'm going to describe it as best
I can. It's a, it's a synthetic stock
bolt action rifle, right-handed setup.
It has two scope rings, which is common, and it's got what looks
like probably maybe a maximum of 12 power scope.
I did a bunch of different looks.
Does that look about right to you?
Like a A2 to 12 or a four to 12? Yeah, I would go, you know, 4 to
12 or 3 to 9. OK, it's got a, it's got a what
we call a bell at the front, which is where the front
objective lens is. And if you'll notice that the
scope ring at the front is all the way maxed out to the edge of
the bell where it begins to flare outward.
And if you look at the rear ring, it is actually snugged all
the way up against the turret, which is where you change your
windage and your elevation and your and you do your zeroing.
And that's not where you would normally stage that, which means
that the the eyepiece is farther back than would make sense.
But this would be consistent with someone carrying a rifle
having not torqued it down enough to be able to keep it
static. And that's something that
happens all the time for your average kind of recreational
user. If you were to jump from a one
story building and have 10/10/12 feet worth of force going
downward on it, that scope would continue to travel downward and
it would Max out at the turret and it would Max out at the bell
just like that if it made ground impact from a jump.
What do you think? We didn't see that rifle
traversing from the roof to the ground.
At least I didn't. Maybe somebody else did it.
After the fact, it looked like it was kind of lost in the
shadows. And so we'll play that video.
It's not a great clip of it, but it does look like the guy has
something in one of his hands. I think it's his left hand when
he goes downward and he's holding it from, let's say, the
front of the barrel, like around the front of the stock.
And so it does appear that there is something longish in his
hands out there. So you can imagine you stash a
rifle up there maybe the day before or several days before.
You put it in a towel that's dark colored.
You put it into a shadow that's up against some equipment.
Nobody notices it. That would be easy for a couple
days if he did his his ingress, walked in, climbed up there,
laid down, took the shot and then did his his evacuation plan
and jumped off A1 story managed to hit the ground with that.
Same thing if you had a 48 inch or a 52 inch long rifle in your
hand, it probably would make impact on the ground as you
collapsed. And he actually lands really
hard. It looks like doesn't look like
a good landing. It's not APLF.
Let's just say that a parachute landing fall folks.
But then anyway, if that were to hit the ground at the butt
stock, you would imagine that the the rifle scope could be
dislodged rearward like that. And then you know, you walk
across the street, nobody thinks the other if you're carrying
some kind of package in your hands, 'cause it's college
campus, people are walking around backpacks and then he
ditches it in the woods. So I just want to say that it's
not insane what they claimed, even though other people talked
about it happened to be unscrewed.
Like there's nowhere in the official statements that said
that it had to be disassembled. And I agree with you, a Mouser
action like that is not getting disassembled in the field.
No, And why go to the trouble of ditching it in the box?
Well, he didn't ditch it in the box, so that looks like an
evidence collection box to me, unless you tell me otherwise.
I'm sorry, they said it was wrapped in a blanket.
Wrapped in a blanket? Yeah.
It was wrapped in like, either a towel or a blanket.
That would make sense to me. The box there that people are
always speculating. They don't realize that people
send, you know, pictures the minute that that law enforcement
gathers something, they put it in a cardboard box to preserve
DNA and fingerprints. Doesn't go in a bag, doesn't get
wrapped up in anything else. They don't keep it in the towel.
They actually zip tie it in here.
And they usually zip tie the action open so that it's known
to be safe, so you can transport evidence.
So anyway, this is not out of line.
Every every local PD has a different protocol, but the FB
is would be to actually zip tie the the the bolt open and maybe
even run a zip tie down the entire barrel.
It's not out of line for what I think.
I want to play you Donald Trump, drop in the news less than an
hour ago that they have him. And then we'll maybe listen
critically, if you would, about some of the words that he has to
say because I'm not. I'm not sure what I think about
it just yet. Any updates on the suspect?
Yeah. Can I always say I think just to
protect us all and so Fox doesn't get sued and we all
don't get sued and everything else, but I think with a high
degree of certainty, we have him.
We're in custody, OK, In custody.
Everyone did a great job. We worked with the local police,
the governor, everybody did a great job.
You know, getting somebody that you start off with absolutely
nothing. And we started off with a clip
that made him look like an Ant that was almost useless.
We just saw there was somebody up there and so much work has
been done over the last 2 1/2 days.
You know, it's amazing, actually, when you start off
with that and then all of a sudden you, you get lucky or
talent OR whatever it is. But yeah, we're, I think we're
in great shape. That's the person he's in
custody. What?
Do you think about his verbiage there?
Obviously he's withholding something that he feels might
either result in litigation or some sort of uproar.
And there's been plenty of uproar on Blue Sky and Reddit
from the left side of the aisle. So obviously he's with
withholding something. There's a local radio
personality here in Boston who is not withholding anything.
And my guess is, is that's what the president is.
It is keeping back. But if we have the suspect or,
you know, and that means there's a name associated with it, I, I
don't understand what the ramifications are of saying, you
know, we have Joe Blow in custody and right now he's
innocent until proven guilty. And we'll see where it goes.
So. There's a little bit more
details he gave about that because they wanted to know, you
know, what the specifics. This is what actually struck me.
It had nothing to do with grunt police work.
It may have had something to do with the photographs being
circulated, but it turns out that it wasn't law enforcement
that ran him down. This was a self surrender.
And that's I guess the best case scenario, but it's also doesn't
mean that the resources that they brought to bear necessarily
did with it didn't actually uncover anybody.
So this is the second piece of that.
Essentially went to the father and went to AUS Marshall who was
fantastic by the way. And the person was involved with
law enforcement but was a person of faith, a minister.
And I brought him to AUS Marshall who was fantastic and
the father convinced the son and this is it.
And again, I'm always subject to be corrected.
But you know, I'm just giving you based on what I'm hearing,
they'll give you a much more active.
I just heard about it 5 minutes before I walked in.
As I'm walking in, they said they're looking real good.
They have the person that they wanted.
So you have breaking news, don't you?
You always have. Always got breaking news, he
says. What do you make of that story
as far as the the turn in versus maybe like grunt force law
enforcement? So we actually saw this during
the, the the manhunt on the marathon bombing where, you
know, BPD state police, you know, search resources in the
field. Obviously the FBI field office
pulled in every agent from every program and every RA and just
descended on, on the Boston metropolitan area like a kick
over anthill. So, so that's kind of like,
like, you know, like the hounds chasing the bear.
But it was circumstances that actually put the sonar EBS into
are 100% certainty knowledge that they were the perpetrators
of it. It was a route, it was the
carjacking which led to the traffic stop in Watertown, which
led to the shootout, which led to multiple IE D's being thrown
out. And it wasn't until a quick cat,
quick capture platform was used on Tamerlan that we were 100%
certain that that's who, you know, he was when those cops
pulled him over in Watertown. They did not.
What is a quick? Capture program, Yeah.
What did that mean? The quick capture platform is
just basically a finger fingerprint reader that you can
bring into the field with you. So it was circumstances, a
multitude of circumstances that drove the scenarios into the
net, which led to one death and then eventually the capture one
of the victims from the bombing was able to positively identify
Joharsson RF from an artist rendering and some pictures.
So it is it's never as clean as it's captured on TV where it's
like one guy who's making it all happen and driving forward
towards an objective. It is a variety of elements
brought to bear that that 'cause you know these captures to take
place. It's same thing with Johar
scenario. There was a a guy in Watertown
going outside to smoke a cigarette after the all clear
was given the people could come out of the house.
It's it's never as as clean as Hollywood would make it out to
be. That's fair.
We also had some of the suspendables chat this morning
discussing how isn't it interesting that it turns out
that if you put enough public pressure on the family members
often times will step forward. And they were mentioning Ted
Kaczynski and the Unabomber situation, which would have
continued to be an unsolved case but for a brother-in-law or a,
you know, family member. Was it a brother or a
brother-in-law? I think it was brother-in-law.
I think it was a brother. Was it the actual brother?
Yeah, well, I'm 98% sure it was his brother.
But family nonetheless, yeah, pushing that forward and saying,
hey, this is the right guy, you got to go find him and this is
what he's doing. And I think he was involved in
this. In this case, sounds like father
and minister, which is not what you'd expect necessarily.
You wouldn't expect there to be a minister involved.
I guess maybe the family involved in a church, but taking
a taking a shot at somebody who's out there speaking
Christian values on a college campus kind of it doesn't jar
with going to church to me. Look, we don't know how much of
A black sheep he was from his family.
We don't know anything about his family.
We don't know the relationship between his family and the
minister. You know, there's a lot of cases
where you have children who run a stray of good parents and bad
parents that raise good children.
I mean, who knows? Yeah, great point.
I'm going to show you this video.
You take a look. This is a grainy video.
It's not perfect. It's not even the original
capture, unfortunately. But this is the the surveillance
footage that they were playing. I'm going to put on there.
If you guys are just listening, we're about what, 20 minutes in?
So you guys can take a look on here.
If you're watching on Spotify, Kyle, seraphinshow.com, you can
just switch over to the video platform version.
This is the coming off the roof part.
As he does, he's going to climb off the edge and then drop down
to the ground. As he did that, he left some
palm impressions. There's some smudges and some
places we're looking to collect DNA.
There's a shoe in print where we believe the suspect is clearly
identified as wearing Converse tennis shoes.
Again, we'll replay that again so you can get another view of
that. It's important to note his black
T-shirt, his black pants, and there is appears to be some
white on the soles of those Converse tennis shoes.
Those are all identifiable items that we're looking.
For. In the stills that are going to.
All right, and then from there he went and ended up crossing
the street. They showed that the cameras
panned with him, which is also interesting.
So they must have done some like chopping and zoom.
Hence the video quality is not great, but it looks like the guy
walked out. Did you see what I was talking
about when it talks about the like the long package looks like
he lays it. Down Well, I what I noticed was
the backpack and then being dropped and then then the swing
of something long and. Indistinguishable.
So, yeah, indistinguishable logically, could be, could said,
look, you know, end of the day, we'll have to hear what they
have to say with the timeline because somebody should sketch
this out and they'll make it public, I'm sure.
But that was my my guess. It doesn't have to be the thing
that everybody thinks. It doesn't have to be that he
had a rifle stuff down his leg. I think that would be a
ludicrous way to try to smuggle a weapon on the campus anyhow.
All right, so we've got that. There's one little piece.
I wanted to hear you, too. Did you hear him talk about the
US Marshall? Just a brief mention, a couple.
Times and he said there's AUS Marshall who was fantastic by
the way, twice he mentioned that in the previous two clips.
This is another piece. There's someone else that he
mentions who's also fantastic. There's someone he doesn't
mention as well. Always subject to be corrected,
but you know, I'm just giving you all.
Right, sorry, that was the first clip.
Let me do the second clip. Always subject to be corrected,
but you know, I'm just giving you based on what I'm hearing,
they'll give you a much more active.
I just heard about it 5 minutes before.
Bear with me, folks. I think I got the wrong clip
again. I'm trying to find the first one
and maybe I didn't even grab it, so I may have to just take a
look here. Let's see.
That's the one. What says we've got him?
Let me find the one where he's talking about somebody else.
I think this is Trump clip #2 Let's try this one.
Essentially went to the father and went.
Sorry, I'm digging for it here. We're going to find it real
quick. There's three clips that I have
of Donald Trump talking. One of them is very interesting
because he says something that is specific.
There it is, Trump 3. Sorry.
Always subject to be corrected. But you know, I'm just giving
you based on what I'm hearing, they'll give you a much more
active. I just heard about it 5 minutes
before I walked in. As I'm walking in, they said
looking real good. They have the person that they
wanted. So you have breaking news, don't
you? You always have breaking news,
Ansley. Sean Sean's going to be very
disappointed that that we're not doing it on his show.
He'll. Be very thankful and and
appreciative of the police officers that got this.
Cop they did a great job. Everybody and everybody worked
together. Pam Bondi is incredible by the
way she's. That's what I was looking for at
the end there. Sorry, I, I didn't mean to play
it five times for you, but because it was an overlap at the
other clip, but he mentions Pam Bondi and a Marshall being
incredible. Cops did a great job.
Somebody, some people were conspicuously absent.
Yeah, well, Cash flew all the way out to Utah for a press
briefing that he didn't give. So yeah, I didn't mention him,
didn't mention Dan, And quite frankly, I thought I was
following it pretty closely. I don't know what role Pam Bondi
played in all this. I thought she was involved in
the prosecutorial end of things. Unclear to me as well as someone
who's never seen an attorney general get involved in anything
that has to do with the investigative end or a manhunt.
I, I have 0 idea what that would be.
I did mention this yesterday. Obviously I'm hyper critical of,
of people like Cash Patel at this point.
So I'll acknowledge that there's a bias that I have on there.
Did you, have you ever seen this before?
Have you ever seen somebody in a national high profile case make
an announcement that they had a shooter in custody when in fact
they did not? Is that?
Is there an analog for this that I've I've missed?
No and. I don't need to set you up with
like an answer, like a pat answer, but I'm, I'm serious,
like I can't think of a time that this has been done.
Not in my lifetime. And again, I mean, there was a
tremendous amount of pressure on the command post or in the
manhunt for us to be more forthcoming with information.
Ed Davis was a prolific leaker to the media and we were getting
pressure from the governor's office and the SAC was in
contact with White House staff on on a multiple times a day
basis. You have to, you've got to stand
your ground. You've got a manhunt and then
you got an investigation and a subsequent prosecution.
And for for those kinds of theaters, it's just very
unprofessional. I'll probably stop there.
I had people point out to me that Robert Mueller went and
walked the grounds in New York and the the Trade Center when it
was possible. He walked the grounds maybe at
the Pentagon as well and maybe even at the out in the field in
Pennsylvania. So that was something that he
visited early on. Once they were, you know, sort
of deep into the phase of collecting evidence and
everything had been kind of, you know, set up.
But this wasn't exactly a multi site, you know, international
terrorist event. This was a, you know, what
looked like a lone shooter. We'll find out more about it
later. Have you seen FBI directors fly
in and walk a scene? And can you, is there an UPS?
Can you give a one, an analogy or an analog?
And two, can you tell me like what that would add value that
I'm missing? George Bush refused to land in
New Orleans during Katrina because he said it would be
disruptive to the efforts going on.
Not a big George Bush fan, but he was 100% right there.
Having the director and the deputy director fly into Utah in
the middle of a high profile assassination is it is
disruptive and it sends the wrong signal to people that are
following this, which is why do we need the two highest ranking
people together in in Utah, which you have state and local
resources surging into to address the effort.
They become nothing more than disruptive and maybe even to the
point of of hurting the manhunt and the investigation.
You'll see a lot of social media types that know nothing about
this kind of thing and they're like, well, they have to go and
evaluate the evidence stream. Do you want to give a quick
assessment on any evidence that is evaluated by a director,
deputy director, associate deputy director, or even an
assistant director at any level? Like are they looking at any
stream of evidence as far as you're aware?
I could be glue and just say, no, there isn't.
But look, they have no training or experience in this.
Dan worked financial cases when he was at the Secret Service and
Cash Patel worked with fully digested and shattered out
evidence on his investigations when he was in the political
sphere for the White House and for Congress.
So they have no, they have no background in this, but
Hollywood likes to do that. They like to send out, you know,
in their series, you know, SA CS and directors out into the
field, you know, because it did the name, just, you know, the
title supposed to have some gravitas to it.
But again, there's nothing more than disruptive.
They have no background, they have no experience.
And, and even at the SAC level, you, you want to keep this down
at the 11, you know, 1314 level tops the actual grunt work.
You know, Ross Perot used to say, if you want a successful
organization, find and hire the best, best people and then leave
them to hell alone. And that's how a successful
organization works. I've ascribed to that principle
of my entire working life. It's a good principle.
I'm going to show this, I'm going to take off the screen for
a second. I'm going to show this press
conference that we mentioned because what we saw yesterday
was that the, the FBI jet flew out there obviously to maybe
help out. Then it flew back to the to the
East Coast. And my guess was, is that maybe
there was some evidence collection that needed to be
processed. The FBI lab at Quantico is very
effective at getting fast turn around if they are so required.
So they could do Ballistics, they could do DNA, etcetera.
My guess is, is they flew out like an evidence response team
along with the director yesterday morning, got them on
ground. They were only on the ground for
about two hours, which means the evidence was probably already
collected. And then they packaged it up,
you know, beat feedback to the airport, turn around and flew
back out to the to the East Coast to go and get that stuff
started. And then it, it flew back out
again, maybe to take the guys home after this press
conference. Here's the press conference.
I'm going to play it for you guys so you can kind of take a
look at it. I'm going to talk over it.
What you're seeing is the the governor, there's Cash Patel
wearing a Ray jacket for some reason.
And then you've got another guy in a suit and tie who's not
identified, some additional sort of local partner types or people
from the FBI. And then you've got the special
agent in charge of the field office who appropriately is
wearing a tie is what you'd expect in a suit.
And they gather together. We're going to run this clip all
the way through. The one thing that I can't
figure out is why he's wearing a Ray jacket, why he's got cool
guy patches on it. He's standing there.
You're the freaking director of the FBI.
It's not like. Hey everybody.
Thank you for being here today. My name is Hilary Keller.
I am the communications Director for the Utah Department of
Public Safety. This evening we have FBI
Director Patel, FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino, Special
Agent in Charge Robert Bowles, Governor Spencer Cox, Lieutenant
Governor Deidre Henderson and Commissioner Anderson as well
as. I'm so sorry, Commissioner,
Commissioner Beau Mason, as well as some local partners here
present with us today. Governor, we'll kick it off.
All right, so the governor goes on to speak and he kind of gives
them what they have. He's the only one that speaks
and then everybody processes off the stage.
You can't see Dan Bongino on the stage, but she's he's announced
as being there. So I believe that they're
probably not lying about that. I, I talked to a retired senior
agent and he said if those guys are running, who's running the
shop back in DC? If the two, the top one in the 2
are out there being on camera on stage.
If he has 100 things on his desk every day requiring his direct
attention and supervision, yeah, who?
Who's who's calling the shots? Now apparently we had Andrew
Bailey start at the beginning of this week without a lot of
fanfare. And so Andrew Bailey stepped.
So he stepped away from his AG job began on September the
eighth. That was what his timeline was.
That was announced publicly, which would mean theoretically
in five days, he's OK to be #1 at the FBI.
Was am I off in that assessment? No, 100%.
You know, maybe they'll miss their flight back, I don't know.
As in, they might find another job or be looking for another
job. So you know, it's it's.
Mechanically. Early for ski It's a little too
early for ski season, but you know, they might want to go on a
hike or there's some pretty weird but elk or deer season
opens up here shortly. Yeah, you're being glib.
And flip it about it, that's that's George Hill's dry wit for
those of you that are not familiar.
But if you were to actually now step any of those guys down, he
immediately stepped into an acting role.
He's officially in that position as far as I understand it.
So just just kind of interesting.
I want to also pivot over and talk about the culture real
quick and then I'll, I'll, I'll thank you for your time here.
This is something that an agent sent me this morning as a, as a
reminder of what we're talking about culturally.
This is not a new article. This is actually from April of
earlier this year and the article is entitled Stunning.
New study shows Left's assassination culture has hit
disturbing levels with Trump and Elon Musk at that time targeted
April 8th, 2025. This is coming from the Western
Journal for those of you who want to look up leftist
assassination culture and says often we public we complicate
public affairs after all, seems critical with platforms and
elections and policies they receive in the face of 1
defining question whom you serve, light or darkness.
And according to a report from the Network Contagion Research
Institute at Rutgers University, which I can't imagine is very
right wing, the darkness that so many of us have sent steadily
growing in our minds is deeply disturbed.
And it's propagandized leftist that is metastasized in their
hearts and souls, resulting in a quote, UN quote assassination
culture fixated on prominent figures such as Donald Trump,
his ally Elon Musk. You'd have to imagine that
Charlie Kirk would fit into that category as well.
And other things, people who were in charge of doge, people
that were government officials doing things they did not like
says quote. The NCRA empirically assesses
this shift with original survey data and open source
intelligence analysis to assess how normalized and justifies
violence against the administration has become part
of the public discourse. You're a, a consumer of all
these things as well and and an Intel type guy.
What do you make of, of, of that sort of highline analysis there?
And I'm happy to send you this article for later too.
Yeah, I, I, I think he's, he's got some really good points
here. But we become such an emotional
driven society. The other day on your podcast,
you were talking about a low trust, high trust society.
When you take out critical thinking, when you take out an
understanding of the founding principles of the country,
you're left with nothing but feelings.
And when I taught college, I would tell my students that you
know, if you feel something or if you write or say you feel
something, your feelings are no more valid than mine, and mine
no more valid than yours. But we become a feeling society
instead of a thinking society. Not thinking.
It requires a little bit of research, a little time out, a
little pause. And, and this is how we address
our problems, not we meaning you or me or your audience, but this
is how a growing segment of our population addresses their,
their issues that they're that they can't deal with
intellectually, which is through violence.
There's another little line in here that's essential to this
belief system is that W left wing authoritarianism
characterized by moral absolutism, punitive attitudes
towards ideological opponents and a willingness to use
coercion for progressive aims, is what sort of characterizes
this quote UN quote assassination culture.
And you've said things about secular leftists, about climate
pagans and so on before. I think that fits directly into
what you're talking about, particularly this thing about
moral absolutism, that there's no Gray area for them.
It's all about power. This is why I reject the calls
from people on the conservative side saying that we must, quote,
come together and we're one people.
It's clear based on the evidence that we're not one people.
And I don't know how this sorts itself out.
I would prefer that it doesn't do it in a violent manner.
But one side seems to be fully committed to violence in order
to attain obtain their objective, which is absolute
power over the reins of government and the people
governed by the government, which is antithetical to our
constitutional Republic. We are not governed by our
government. There's something I saw that
just passed by in the chat, so I'm going to derail my my
thought process. Somebody said that, you know,
these guys are basically visiting the site where their
friend was shot because a lot of people in the conservative
sphere have had very close interactions with Charlie Kirk.
And I can imagine that that's true.
And I've seen so many people talk from their deep personal
experience about how much they respected him as a human and as
a, and you know, as a friend. Is that not another good reason
to stay away? That you're, you're now, you're
now sort of you have a conflict of interest in, in everything
and that you don't actually want to go and get involved in an
investigation for fear of tainting it.
You don't want to actually even be seen as being inappropriate
about that. And am I missing that too?
Not at all, unless you have something to contribute that is
tangible. You know, another example,
during the marathon bombing, and I'm sure during this case as
well, you had thousands, 10s of thousands of people sending in
millions of images to help. Good people by nature want to
help. But if you don't have anything
tangible that you can add that could stand up to even a little
bit of scrutiny, then, you know, stay home, you know, be a
consumer of information and be a discerning consumer of
information. All right, one of the guys that
has been, I would say, accused of fiery rhetoric is a guy named
Chuck Schumer. He's a senator.
He's from New York and we remember him saying things like
vague threats to members of the Supreme Court if they didn't
rule the way that he liked and so on.
Of course, he's one of the first people now that we're hearing,
quote UN quote, calling for unity.
This does seem to be sort of the the movement.
The assessment here was that there's a leftist assassination
culture. But should that happen,
everybody immediately wants to talk about how everybody needs
to play nice together. So I got a couple clips of that
and I'll, I'll get some reactions on that in a second.
Can we get your? Reaction.
To. President.
Well, look, the bottom line is this is a time that all
Americans should come together and feel and mourn what
happened. Violence, which effects so many
different people of so many different political persuasions,
is a is an affliction of America, and coming together is
what we ought to be doing, not pointing fingers of blame.
This moment requires leadership that brings the American people
together as opposed to trying to further divide US.
Political violence in any form against any American is
unacceptable, should be denounced by everyone, and
moving forward, we have to figure out a better way to come
together, not. So there's Hakeem Jeffries
adding his two cents. Everybody needs to come
together. No specifics mentioned.
Nobody wants to mention that where the violence came from in
this case. Well, it wasn't Chuck the one
that said The whirlwind's coming for you, Kavanaugh.
Or words to that effect. Yeah, you'll, you'll, you'll
reap the whirlwind if you if you make.
A decision the Internet is is is, you know, terabytes of video
evidence of people like Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and
others calling for violence. And, and then they project that
onto the conservative side, saying that, you know, you're
the violent ones. You said nothing about the the
killings that took place in Minnesota.
You know, so it's just enough already.
Is that just the gaslighting aspect of it you think?
Oh. 100% and the the the part that irks me, even though you
didn't ask is the people that are supposedly our political
like minded friends Sign on on this.
You know, Katie Britt's out there today talking about
senator from Alabama, I believe about, you know, coming together
and we're one people and all this other baloney.
It's like, yeah, after I shoot you in the face, let's come
together. You know, it's just, it's really
tiresome. I've got one more little clip
that'll inferior people. This is Ginger Gobbles, AKA
Jensaki doing her show. She's talking to Mark Kelly.
He's another, you know, he's a guy out of Arizona has so some
understanding of what gun violence could look like, you
know, very close by. And then we're going to hear
that they're not even going to play Donald Trump's words
because they're so offensive. But we'd also like to comment on
how he's divisive. And this is immediately where
they go with this stuff. This was about two days ago.
But he put out a. 4 minute video and I'm not going to play the
video. I don't want to play the video,
but there was a line at the end that that I think is I just
wanted to raise and read at the end of this 4 minute video.
He says for years those on the radical left have compared
wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis in the world's most
worst mass murderers and criminals.
This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the
terrorism that we're seeing in our country today.
And it must stop right now. And obviously that there's a lot
of rhetoric that is problematic. A lot of it is coming from one
particular side and from one particular building.
But what can be done? I I I fear when this is an
escalation already in less than 24.
Hours of this shooting. Yeah.
He goes on and talks about the same sort of things.
Obviously it's really coming from one side, and yet we've got
studies saying otherwise and our personal experience says
otherwise as well. Yeah.
Was that Mark Kelly she was talking to?
And you know, so we remember sale of pair and Palin being
driven off the political stage in the public stage for her
comments about political targeting.
Simple word. If you say something that the
left disagrees with, you're committing and it's an act of
violence. So silence is violence with
them. Or if you say something you did
they disagree with, that's violence as well.
There's no winning with these people other than taking a knee
and capitulation because we can't have a discussion, which I
believe is, you know, the whole entire basis of Charlie Kirk's,
you know, movement, which is to engage in constructive dialogue,
you know, back and forth using whether it's the Socratic method
or, or whatever. But you know, listen, you know,
and then respond in an intellectual fashion, not an
emotional fashion. But now we're getting responses
in a violent, kinetic fashion. And that's, you know, we saw
that outburst or in the George Floyd thing as well.
So it's it's it seems to continue to run its course.
I'm. Going to sum this up with the
way that Nick Freitas covered this on his own podcast
yesterday or the day before. I think this, I think this
actually is a brilliant encapsulation of what the
situation looks like. I may run this longer than
normal, but George, I think that you'll appreciate sort of
someone taking those thoughts and crystallizing them into one
message of digesting all of it at once and then the reaction
from people who are paying attention to what the results
are. Here's Nick Fridas.
You know, let's let's jump to that real quick, just so
everyone has context of what I'm talking about, so I'll read this
off. This was my read my tweet.
We'll put that one on there. And so I'll tell you what the
speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates responded to.
So this is what I said yesterday, and I waited on this
because I waited on this. I prayed on it.
And I was like, no, no, I believe this is true.
So this is what I said. So I am told that as a state
representative, this is the moment where I'm supposed to
express my heartfelt condolences and then stand in solidarity
with those on the other side of the aisle as we condemn
political violence and stand unified as one people.
But we aren't one people, are we?
The truth is, we haven't been for some time now, and there is
really no point in pretending anymore, if there ever was.
We are two very different peoples.
We may occupy the same piece of geography, but that is where the
similarities seem to abruptly end.
I convinced myself for a long time that whenever the left
called me a racist, a bigot, A sexist, A fascist, a threat to
democracy for even the most innocent of disagreements, that
it was simply hyperbolic rhetoric done for effect.
And now the effect is a widow and two orphaned children
because the left couldn't bear the thought of a peaceful man
debating them and winning. I don't think they realize it
yet, but murdering Charlie is going to be remembered as the
day where we finally woke up to what this fight it really is.
It is not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen.
It's a war between diametrically opposed worldviews which cannot
peacefully coexist with one another.
One side will win and one side will lose.
Charlie tried to win that fight through argumentation, through
discussion, through peaceful resolution of differences.
And the other side murdered him. Not because he's not because he
was extreme or inciting violence or any other hyperbolic slur
they hurled at him. They murdered him because he was
effective, because he was unafraid, because he inspired
others and made them feel like they had a voice, that they were
not alone. And he did it at the very
institutions which have fomented so much hatred toward
conservatives. I don't want to stand in
solidarity with the other side of the aisle.
I want to defeat you. I want to defeat the godless
ideology that kills babies in the womb, sterilizes confused
children, turns our cities into cesspools of degeneracy and
lawlessness, and then murdered Charlie Kirk.
Social media is aflame right now with leftist celebration of
Charlie's death. I wonder if any among them
understand what has just happened.
If there is a Yamamoto somewhere in their midst warning that all
they have done is awoken a sleeping giant, I doubt it.
I think they gave up such introspection and self-awareness
long ago. I don't know exactly what will
happen next. I just know that it won't be the
same as what has happened in the past.
There will be thoughts and prayers.
Charlie would have wanted prayers not for himself, but for
those left behind and for the country that he loved.
But then there will be a reckoning.
My Christian faith requires me to love my enemies and pray for
those who curse me. It does not require me to stand
idly by in the midst of savagery and barbarism.
Quite the opposite. So every time I feel tired,
every time I feel discouraged or overwhelmed, I'm going to watch
the video of a good man being murdered in Utah.
I will force myself to watch it, and then I will return to the
work of destroying the evil ideology responsible for that
and so much more. Rest with God, Charlie, your
fight is over. Ours is just beginning.
What? Do you think?
Nick and I are on the same page in the print in the handle
handle here. When I LED my team of
interrogators, I made them watch the beheading videos and make
them understand this is who you are fighting.
You need to understand that. Look, some of us are seated at
the table that God sent us here to flip over.
OK? You need to stand up and flip
the table over. I don't.
I'm not espousing violence. I'm not saying what that
flipping over is going to look like.
But you need to stand up because you were not sent here just to
sit down and be comfortable. Christianity was never about
being comfortable. So nature abhors a vacuum.
Yet the assassination of Charlie Kirk opened up a chasm.
It's clear that we cannot live together in the same country.
Personally, I want a divorce. I don't know what that looks
like, but clearly we cannot live side by side with these people
and they feel the same about us. So what happens next?
What are we going to do? The ongoing question, we'll
continue to try to answer that as we go on.
I hope you'll come back and talk about that.
I want to do one last little thing.
I'm going to pin you off the top.
I saw it on on our chat. And I also have seen this all
over social media. There are a ton of people that
are talking about what look like, as far as I understand,
members of Charlie's security detail that were standing behind
him during the during the the shooting and immediately before
and afterwards and they're touching hats and arms and
things like that. Do you make anything of that
whatsoever? Is that just what people do in a
crowd and then everyone looks for meaning after the fact?
Or are we looking at something more specific specific there?
Boy, they're really grasping for straws.
They really want a conspiracy on this.
I mean, John Solomon posited the other day that it was possibly a
foreign state actor that I've. Got that clip too.
We can't help it. Yeah, I've got that clip too.
I'll play that in a second. Yeah, it's just, again, put all
your biases aside. I understand that's hard.
Just dive deep into the facts and, and, and go from there.
Stop. Not you, but people need to stop
looking at, you know, the cloud formation or a book that came
out on September the 9th or or whatever.
Like I said, I'm still looking for the zip line that was used
in Butler. So.
That's right. All right, George, sobering take
and appreciated. And thanks for being my sounding
board and jumping on with me this morning.
Take care. All right, buddy, all right,
folks, so I'm going to play you that thing that you just talked
about. He alluded to John Solomon.
John Solomon has said that there may be a foreign Intel Nexus.
Again, all of this stuff is click baity to me.
That's what it looks like. It looks like people trying to
sell their next interview. It looks like people trying to
sell their next story. It looks like stay tuned for
more because you don't know the half of it yet and the half of
it is never revealed. I the odds of a foreign Intel
Nexus for some kid in in Utah is basically none.
Here's like this like loose allusion to some sort of foreign
intelligence version. I have a source in in the
intelligence community, John, that said that there might be
post assassination pieces of a puzzle that might be put
together, that there might be a foreign component to it.
Again, we don't know for sure. I know it's being discussed.
Have you heard the same thing? Yes, there is a group or two of
interest that are in the Salt Lake City area that they're
looking at just because of certain recent activities
overseas and certain intelligence shared by a
foreign. Friendly from the United States
doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to the shooting.
I suspect though, it's going to result in some action even if
it's not resulted. Not tied to the shooting, but
there. Is a a small foreign component
that's being looked at. Again, all leads are open.
I don't think they've locked into a final theory of the case
yet. Yeah, and that was last night.
Then, of course, today you've got someone supposedly in
custody per Donald Trump, the president, which seems like that
would be as good a source as you're going to be able to get
out of our government at the moment.
These people are all like, yeah, make sure, make sure you tune in
for the next episode of Hannity where we say the word might 11
times. And then also introduce the
possibility of something very salacious like foreign
intelligence, because everybody wants to sell their their
audience and their attention span thing.
I I don't need that in my life. And I just you watch these
people and you've watched a a long and ongoing pattern of
folks that immediately move on to the next story and act like
the thing they said a few minutes ago didn't actually
happen. They completely, they completely
divorced themselves from the past, which is something that
reminds me of Kamala Harris. It's that same sort of like
they're unburdened by what has been.
It doesn't matter that they said something different 48 hours
ago. It doesn't matter that they've
made some claims that nobody's going to substantiate or that
they've sort of insinuated the claim because that's what it
really comes down to. And then if you go, hey, how
come you don't say things that are true?
They just go, well, like, well, I didn't say that it was true.
I said it might be true or that sources have said it without
quoting them. I think that's, I think that's
troubling, especially when the sources are very dubious and the
sources are people that have a very vested political interest.
The folks that are going to talk to a John Solomon are not the
same kind of people in law enforcement on the ground level
that are going to talk to look at me or talk to George.
So whatever that's worth. That's the information out
there. Again, you know, John Solomon
specifically told me that he was going to get Gerardo Boyle's
story on Tucker Carlson, that he was in negotiation with Tucker
Carlson's producers and he lied about it straight out.
Then he told me the backup plan was they were going to get it on
CBS so we could have a a sort of a left-leaning center leaning
group to talk about it. And so that was going to be a
setup and that was a lie. And then finally he came to me
and said, I can get you 2 minutes on Hannity.
When I tell you that John Solomon specifically lied to my
face, that is a very specific lie that he has told me.
So when I look at guys like that, I just go, no.
He also was the editor, by the way, of The Washington Times.
When they decided to stop using things like gay marriage in air
quotes, he stopped using other things like they stopped using
the word homosexual and he moved to the more sort of AP style
where they refer to gay. There's a lot of things that are
interesting about John Solomon. He's definitely followed like
where where the where the the the broadest spectrum of
audience is and not necessarily a principles.
It's my assessment on it from looking at his his past and his
history and obviously the time that we spent together.
Give you one last little piece. This is comedy.
And then we'll kind of move into a different segment here talking
about a little bit of some current news that I think is
also not being talked about by a lot of folks.
This is George Carlin talking about something quite a while
ago. It's it's a good parallel
because we are now in a time if assassinations are on the table
and July of 2024 told us that they are and this week as well.
It's not a great time period historically when they start,
when people start going and using violence against those who
are peaceful. Assassination.
You know what's interesting about assassination?
Well, not only does it change those popularity polls in a big
fucking hurry, well, it's also interesting to notice who it is
we assassinate. Do you ever notice who it is?
Stop to think of who it is we kill.
It's always people who've told us to live together in harmony
and try to love one another. Jesus, Gandhi, Lincoln, John
Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers,
Malcolm X, John Lennon, They all said try to live together
peacefully. Bam, right in the fucking head.
It's just a, it's a reflection of, of a certain time and how
tolerant and when people are effective, as Charlie, as Nick
Frida said the other day, when they're effective, then they
become the target. We're going to take a quick
break here. For those of you that are
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guest segment here with with Skip Holtz.
We're going to do a quick guest segment right now.
One of the things that I do know is I know my limitations and I
know the things that I don't know.
And what I don't know is a lot about cyber and I definitely
don't know a ton about that sort of world where I mean, I'm a
little bit of a geek or a nerd if you will.
But when it comes to AI and the threats that face us there, I
start tuning out when people start talking about deep web,
dark web, Tor routers and so on. So I've got Skip Holtz, he is
one of the sponsors of our program and he's also one of the
Co founders of Patriot Protect. We're going to be getting into a
little discussion. He sent me a couple articles
that would kind of keep us up to date this year, kind of year to
date. We're going to do a survey.
The first one, Skip, is from Cyberscoop.
What the heck is Cyberscoop? Oh, geez, Cyber Scoop is just,
you know, an industry trade magazine that keeps, keeps their
ear to the ground to the comings and goings that's going on with
data breaches and, and you know, the, the advances that are being
made by, you know, these AI companies.
And we're seeing a lot of that now the the rate of acceleration
with AI, it's capabilities and how they're being weaponized
against us both, you know, not just like in the workplace and
replacing people, but also being used by bad actors, state level
actors, good old fashioned scammers and cyber criminals to
make sure that they take what's in your pocket.
Basically is what it really comes down to.
You know, I don't, I don't know that there's a, you know, a, a,
a grudge or, you know, some sort of, you know, an existential,
you know, axe to grind that they have in, in kind of cyber
criminals. That's more of a, Hey, let's
just make sure that we take your money and take your, you know,
take your family's money. And also there's the, the
weaponization from state level actors like China, Iran, Russia,
which we know is being weaponized against us.
Both of our like security grids, our, you know, our, anything
that we use to make this country stable is being poked, prodded
and tested like velociraptors on the and the perimeter in
Jurassic Park. That's that's really what's
going on right now. You know, I like a good new
movie reference. OK, so I'm going to read real
quickly. The headline here, says Wiz
researchers find sensitive deep sake data that's exposing to
things to the Internet. They're talking about simple SQL
searches, which we can talk about what that looks like and
what those are. Essentially, they're talking
about the Chinese intelligence for the artificial intelligence
firm known as DeepSeek. I think a lot of people probably
heard that but don't necessarily know what that means or who they
are. And as I understand it, and you
can correct me if I'm wrong here, when we used to work the
intelligence threat against China, we always thought of them
as being kind of like a vacuum cleaner.
They would go in and grab unlimited amounts of anything,
whatever it was. They would collect on state
actors, They would collect on people that were in private
industry, anybody that might be interesting to them later.
And then because storage is so cheap, they would grab it.
It sounds like they're also doing that maybe for private
pivot data, kind of kind of walk people through maybe if you
would, what DeepSeek is and then what threat that represents
maybe to their pocketbook, if you will.
Yeah, absolutely. The the Hangzhou DeepSeek
artificial intelligence basic technology Research Company
Limited is the the full name of it DeepSeek for short.
That's a good name, frankly. And and it and it really says
that. I mean, this is a, it came out
of seemingly nowhere in January to say like, Hey, this is on the
on the public facing level. This is going to be a competitor
in the global space of AI against, you know, open AI and,
and, and you know, the other competitors, perplexity and
stuff that are that are in America.
Of course, we know that China is always one step behind the
initiation, but one step ahead of the execution.
A lot of the times of American technology companies like with,
you know, with, with social media, their, their TikTok and
you know, with chip manufacturers and stuff, this
is, there's just this constant battle.
This is what the battleground looks like in the 21st century
of, you know, this kind of tech Cold War that's going on
between, between America and China.
And So what they're using on the kind of state level side, it is
to exactly as you described, just kind of like cast a wide
net, a dragnet sort of thing, like where you just scrape an
enormous amount of data, hold on to it, and then see what of it
might be of use in the in the future.
And So what they're doing, and this was something that came out
in in August, was that a group of seven Republican senators
came together to say like, hey, we need to look into this.
What is the, what is the potential data security
vulnerability posed by these Chinese AI models?
And, and they're, they, they haven't developed any teeth to
it yet. But the fact that they're
looking into this is, I think in a very encouraging step that I
think, you know, that our government should be taking
because, you know, if left on, you know, unchallenged, it will
continue to get smarter every day, as is our AI.
But again, that's the, this is the Cold War aspect of it.
It is being weaponized privately again, you know, for the state
level, sort of for the state level sort of stuff.
But because it's so opaque and because we don't know, you know,
exactly what they're using it for, it can be used for, you
know, cyber criminals or, or the, the, the scam world, you
know, for a tool for hire, just like any other thing to match up
the, the dragnet information that they pick up to match that,
you know, what the, what the cyber criminals and scammers do,
especially in that part of the world, which you talked about in
Southeast Asia. And these kind of like scam
farms that exist and match that up with the publicly available
data that's out there that American data brokers publish
about you. They, they do it.
They offer it as a tool, you know, for hire like any other
place. And you know, these people
search sites like Yellow Pages, true people search fast, people
search new number. You know, there's always there's
hundreds of them out there, which is This is why we exist.
And so, you know, they match the cyber criminals, match up those
leaked Social Security numbers, those leaked things that are
available on the, on the the dark web and match it up with
what's publicly available so that they can build a profile
about, you see, which juice is worth the squeeze.
That is to say, who is the most which, which person in America
is the most exposed and has the most to lose, and then weaponize
the AI tools to target you very, very deliberately.
And they can do so at scale because of these, because of
these. I guess that's what I'm seeing
too. So I'm reading through this and
these are obviously not publications I deal with.
They're probably things that you look at Cyberscoop and and CNET.
I've I've looked at them occasionally, but not not
recently. And so I'm seeing that they are
basically identifying 2 non standard ports and then going in
and researchers are essentially trying to do probe for
vulnerabilities only to find out that in fact, there are
vulnerabilities and that they're using sequel queries, which are
just numbers and database queries and they're pulling the
stuff out. So we've got actors like, we'll
call them enemy actors or threat actors like China.
I see they're also mentioning I Israeli cybersecurity.
My understanding was the Israelis were always that kind
of the head of the, the game when it came to cyber warfare
and cyber weapon systems. So you've got the, a firm called
Cala that's doing that. And and so these guys are what
they're they're out there trying to red sell this and and and
make sure that databases are are good and then finding out that
they're not. Yeah, I mean, look the the the
analogy that I gave earlier about the velociraptors checking
for weaknesses in the in the electrified perimeters.
Basically the I use it for a reason.
It, it gives a very good descriptor to show that, you
know, this is how they do it. They test for weaknesses.
They're constantly scraping constantly, you know, poking at
different just just see where there's a hole and see where
there's a tear and see where they can get through.
That's exactly correct. And you know, the sequel thing,
I mean, that's just, you know, it's just, it's a computer way
of asking a question and getting A and getting, you know, a set
of data back. And sometimes the sequel query
asks a question and what they get back is an enormous profile
of people. I mean, this is, you know, in
this particular breach, there was also, you know, a huge
amount of private information, like, like, like messages
between people. There was, there was a, just to
give you an example of like how insidious this can be, there was
an app called the T app TEA and it's, you know, it's like a, so
people can swap information about people that they're
dating. Yeah, we we talked about this.
This was like a digital mean girl time.
Yeah, it's exactly right. And, but and so and that's
that's cute. It's funny until you're, until
those private conversations get into the hands of, of DeepSeek
and, and an AI tool, because then it can be used at scale.
And that that's the thing that I really want to, to explain.
Like any, if I had, if I had an axe to grind on a person, like I
could spend hours and try to figure it out and look them up
and, and try to try to figure this out.
And it would take me a long time.
But you know, it's like, you know, you know, we're, we are as
a species, humans are very good at walking and we're some of the
most, you know, the, the most efficient per calorie to go
distance. Until you introduce a bicycle
and then we can just go an insane distance and cover just
an enormous amount with a, a, a tiny drop of calories.
That's what this AI is doing, right?
It's just making it magnitudes easier in in a way.
And, and I think we mentioned this last time we're on, it's
like, you know, we think everybody's, you know, these
cyber tools are being used and we think of them as bows and
arrows, but they've moved on to gunpowder and now we're seeing
this nuclear fission. It's, it's really crazy how just
quickly the acceleration of capacity and ability is.
And so, you know, we, as you know, the, the America as a
government is saying, you know, what can we do to combat this?
And then we as a consumers have to say, what are we doing
individually, using our individual responsibility to
keep ourselves and our families safe?
What are we doing? What are the arrows in our
quiver that we're making sure to keep ourselves safe?
You put a lock on your door, right?
You lock it every night for a reason.
What are you doing for your digital identity?
Is the question. Yeah, so unplanned Segway, but
this, this is an article that you sent over here from Cyber
News. And by the way, I absolutely
love their graphic. This is really, really probably
made with AI too. Think of that too.
Right. So it's got a, it's AT&T's logo
and it's chained up and of course it's gotten unchanged.
So a fresh data breach. What, what I told our, our
audience is that the, the next time that we see like one of
these big data breaches, and they seem to happen every either
a couple weeks or a couple months that we'd come in and
have a discussion about it. So AT&T has a data breach says
impacts 24,000,000 users. And and of course, we can't even
fathom what 24 million people means.
Do you want to kind of walk through what the data breach
was, what was exposed and like what that leaves people
vulnerable for whether they had to be AT&T customers or, you
know, I guess I'm an AT&T customer.
I got fiber so maybe I am too. Yeah.
Look, so this is an update from what happened in 2024, which was
a massive data breach of 86 million AT&T customers.
What this is showing is that basically someone says, you
know, on these kind of hacker forums is saying that these
attackers say, hey, we have, we, we poked and prodded it at AT&T,
we found a vulnerability and we now have up for sale 24,000,000
individuals information. Now, unfortunately for those 24
million people, this includes their phone numbers, the names,
the city and state where they're from, their device types, their
registration dates, their SIM IDs.
And unfortunately, this also has included unencrypted Social
Security numbers. And so again, you know, the
remember the Equifax breach in 2017, this which was like
through T-Mobile, this allowed for it was basically every
American taxpayers information was breached and it was a
massive, you know, class action lawsuit that came as a result.
So now here's another 124,000,000 individuals that had
their information leaked. What does that mean?
Well. You know, I was going to say, am
I crazy? But SIM ID cards, does that mean
they could probably spoof or clone your phone and pretend to
be you legitimately and go try to open things up using your
actual phone number from your actual phone?
Yes. And you know, when you think
about two factor authentication to get into your e-mail, you
know your, your medical data, you know your, your medical
records with your, your doctor. I mean, everything that you get
a text message for to allow access to your account, they can
now do that, right? They, the SIM spoofing thing is
a, a really helpful tool for cyber for, for cyber criminals
to get in and get access to your accounts.
Yes, that's exactly correct. Yeah, 2 factor.
And so what's funny is I'm looking at this article right
here. And again, this is coming from
not a standard news site for me, but cyber news.
And right in the middle of it, they're out there, they're
pitching data, breaching it. Was your data breached And this
is something that you guys do. Obviously there's obviously
other companies out there doing it, but good ad placement for
those guys I guess too, because I'm really going, you know, I
mean, the question is, you know, was my dad elite?
How do I find out? One of our products is our
blackout product, which is we go onto the dark web and we see
what of you has been put up for sale, right?
And to see when and what was exposed and to see how long it's
been out there and show your exposure basically.
Do you have any sense of what people pay per identity?
I mean, are they paying dollars or are they paying pennies or
what does this look? Like I think, I think in some
cases it's fractions of pennies. I mean, really it's, it's cheap.
No, really. I mean, because of the, the
amount that that is. I mean if there's for instance
in this case there's 24,000,000, you know they're not going to
get a buck per person. There's nothing, you know, some
whoever did this isn't going to be get paid $24,000,000 because
each person, you know, depending on what gets targeted, you know,
how much are you going to get out of that individual, right?
How many of those 24 million people are susceptible to pig
butchering scams? Right?
When you, when you get a text message and saying, hey, it's
Lisa still up for a lunch date. And then you respond saying this
isn't Lisa. And they say, oh, sorry about
that. Hey, my name's Allison.
What's your name? And then that's how you get
roped in. Then they say, actually, can we
move to WhatsApp? You change pro, you change, you
know, platforms. That's how they get you on the
hook. And the pig butchering scam is
basically the the euphemism is you know they fatten you up
before they go in for the kill. This is like a like a romance
scam like you hear people getting and they just target
people that are lonely or. Looking for friends that is
frankly their easiest one, but the other one is saying like,
hey listen, I've been a Bitcoin investor for a long time you
want to Chuck in 10 bucks and then they'll show you and then
they'll show you hey, you actually turn that 10 bucks into
25 do you want to put in 100 and we can make it 2500, you know,
or you know or 250 this is how it.
Is a classic hustle. A classic hustle.
And the reality is, is that, you know, it's not every single
person that's listening to this has gotten one of those text
messages. And maybe some people have, have
interacted with them and have come in, you know, a hair away
from getting pulled into that. Or maybe you're listening.
And I, I'm sorry to hear if it's happened to you, but like you've
fallen, fallen scammed to this. The reality is this is that in
our lifetimes, we will the, the statistically we will fall
victim to one of these scams. And So what is the information
that's out there available to these cyber criminals to target
you and know that, you know, the more insidious thing is that
with these AI tools, they, and they're pulling your name, your
address there. Therefore they can go on these
people search sites and see your relatives names.
And then if there's any way to, to get a sample of your
relatives names, your relative's voice, for instance, from a
YouTube video that they find about you or something like
that, they can clone that, call you up and say, hey grandma, I'm
stuck and, and I need, you know, 50 bucks to get out of a jam I'm
in or something like that. That's real too.
They used to do those in the Indian Reservation all the time.
And you, you, you know this. I mean this.
Is yeah, no, it's crazy and it's just getting.
Worse, it works. So again, you know, the question
you have to ask yourself is what are you doing to protect
yourself to make sure that this doesn't happen?
Yeah. So to answer your question
about, you know, of the the, you know, how much is they paid for?
It depends. It depends on the, you know,
what the other side of the equation of is that they can
match it up to. And the reality is, if they've
got your name and address, they can look you up on these people,
search sites and build a profile on you to know whether or not
you're good to be targeted. And the odds are it's probably
embarrassingly low for the amount of frustration or danger
that it leaves you financially, I'm guessing.
Totally agree. I'm going to switch over to this
last here story and this is another one CNET.
That one's a little bit more familiar to me, but not
something I troll regularly. And they have this is from, it
was like yesterday or day before.
So this is real recent folks. This is like September 2025.
We're talking about 4.4 million exposed in the credit Bureau
breach. This is TransUnion specifically
and an accompanying waves that were hitting Salesforce, which
is a massive consumer tool for keeping track of all the the
types of people you might sell to.
What do they call that? A CRMA customer management
relationship tool. Exactly that.
Exactly. All right.
So what, what, what is exposed there?
It looks like, I mean it seems like our credit scores have or
our credit bureaus have everything on us, including
things you don't even remember, like who your mortgage company
was 20 years ago. Yeah, so super embarrassing for
Salesforce at the least. But yeah, I mean, in a filing
from Texas, it shows that the names, Social Security numbers
and birth dates were exposed in this breach.
And, you know, we're seeing a lot of this now.
Again, you know, the, the amount of information that is
constantly leaked on you is, is really hard to even fathom.
I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's so big, it's hard to get
your head around. But the reality is, is that it's
you. You are exposed unless you take
measures to to to lock down your information.
This is a 4.4 million is frankly small compared to a lot of the
other breaches that we've seen, but this happened yesterday
that's. Only what they know about it.
Yeah, that's what they know about it right now, I'm
guessing. Exactly.
And it was, and this was only this only, of course, TransUnion
wants to squelch to this. And the only reason that we have
this information were because of these state filings A and main
that showed that, yeah, OK, it started out them saying, yes,
turns out there was unauthorized access.
And then in the filing in Texas, it says, actually it was, you
know, the name, Social Security numbers and birth dates from the
breach. This is news fresh as of
yesterday. So what we're going to see in
the coming weeks and months may be vastly worse than that.
Never been a better time to bolster your your personal
cybersecurity? That's so terrible.
Yeah, I get all these updates from people and it's like, I
didn't ask TransUnion to monitor any.
I didn't ask Equifax or any of these experion to, like, keep
track of me. They do it anyway 'cause they're
they're, you know, selling a product to banks and to
insurance companies and sales and so on.
And then you find out like, not only are they keeping all your
stuff, but they're not really doing a good job with it.
That's not a good feeling at all.
And again, like every company's involved.
Google Farmers, Pandora Music, Cisco, if you have network
architecture, Chanel, like there's a huge number of these
companies that are out there. Looks like they're implicated in
this. The sales force hit.
Oh, some of the ones we see a lot in in the the blackout, our
blackout product again, we we re scrape the the dark web to see
what's out there on you. It's like random stuff.
Marriott hotels was a big one if you ever stayed at a Marriott
their entire. So we see that those hits in a
lot of people's reports. My Fitness Pal was one of the
most famous ones. You know, everyone just wanted
to lose a couple pounds, man. And then then they've had this
stuff. It's.
Always these companies that they're offering you a product
for nothing and you realize that you're actually the product.
What was it that there was a comedian that did this whole bit
about it where he's like, I'm not going to sign up and give
you my phone number when I go to my grocery store because I don't
need to send, you know, save $0.20 on bootleg fruit lips, you
know, in a month. I just know you're, I know you
want more than to give me something for free.
All they want to do is track your data and then they go.
Then they go. Lose it half the time, yes.
When when your product when the product is free, you're the
product yeah. So what are the other ones we
see AT and TA lot of a lot of that and then just random
things. Luxottica if you ever bought if
you've keep in mind Luxottica is the company that produces
glasses, sunglasses, glasses and they've cornered the market.
They own about 90% of the market.
So if you wear glasses, which, and, and you bought them from
Luxottica, which you don't even know that you did, because they
have, you know, they own, you know, every single rights to
LensCrafters and you know, all, everywhere that you touch that's
got a, some acetate frames or plastic frames or whatever, like
they're, they're produced by Luxottica because they're a
monopoly. That's a huge breach.
And most people just don't even know that that was a weak point
for them. And then they, they get our
report and they're like, Oh my God, this is this shows up in,
in the data. It's it's really embarrassing
just how much there is out there available.
Yeah, All right, well, I appreciate you jumping on with
me. Mostly whenever I look at the
stuff, my eyes kind of glaze over.
There's certain things that I just can't focus on because I,
there's enough bad things in the world and I'm worried about
people physically coming through my door and the idea of trying
to keep track of the other threats and, and you guys charge
it, you know, a couple bucks a month.
Like I said, we signed up for it and I kind of like fired and
forget and it wasn't enough money for me to worry about it.
Other than, you know, no one scammed me yet.
We'll see. Someone sued me for $5,000,000
but nobody scammed me yet. Sorry to hear that.
Look, it, it, it's right. I mean, you're right.
It is worryingly cheap because it's such an easy fix.
Is the thing that's so crazy is that it is really a couple bucks
a month to know that someone is having your back out there on
the scary Internet. And you know, there is zero
reason for you to have your name address, your relatives names,
your prior place of employment, former addresses out there on
the Internet. And that's why Patriot Protect
exists, because, you know, most people don't have it because
they didn't even know it was something that they could do.
Yeah, and they probably didn't realize that for like 12 cents,
somebody will compromise all your data and they'll buy your
Social Security number to try to screw you out of whatever you
have. Like, you know, they'll try to
take your title on your house or something.
So that's kind of wild stuff. All right, Skip, I appreciate
the update on that. Thanks for sending me these
recent articles to like I'm sure we'll see some again and at some
point I'll get some background when the when the next wave of
of of not great news. It's the shores.
Buddy, I'll be here. I'll be hard at work.
You let me know. Thanks, I appreciate it.
Perfect. I muted my microphone.
How do you like that? I switched over to a scene that
didn't have a microphone. I'm so sorry about that.
So there you go. I'll try to cut that out of the
live show. God, you can't make it up.
Too many, too many things that I hit on the fly.
So here's the deal. Many of you were saying in the
chat as I was talking to Skip that you have had these same
scams perpetrated against you, that you've had some things
going on, like people have imitated voices or tried to scam
things from your grandparents and so on and so forth.
So anyway, so all that what I did do during that time also was
I managed to grab a couple of clips.
This is why I have a mute. I was muting my mic so I could
go grab clips from the press conference that just took place.
Some of you guys watched it or saw it on the sideline that Cash
Patel and Governor Cox and some others were talking about this
recent, this recent suspect turning himself in in Utah.
And so I wanted to retouch on that.
I think I have the clips in the correct order.
I actually didn't get to listen to all the audio.
This is again, that's why I was muted for a second.
So apologies there. And here is the governor of
Utah. Given the first talk.
The the reason I have to play this is because the end of it is
so insane. It's the craziest thing that
I've ever heard. In many ways, it's the probably
the dumbest way. Look, between announcing that
you had somebody in custody and then letting them off, Cash
decided to outdo himself again today.
I know that I'm, I'm very critical about this, but I got
20 text messages from people who just said, did our FBI director
really just say that? And if you haven't heard it yet,
you will in a second. So let's start off with kind of
summary about how politics were involved.
In consistent clothing with those surveillance images,
investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who
stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
The family member referenced a recent incident in which
Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10th, and in the
conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned
Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they
didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had.
The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and
spreading hate. The family member also confirmed
Robinson had a Gray Dodge Challenger.
Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of
Robinson. Investigators interviewed that
roommate who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,
made a joke on Discord. Investigators asked if he would
show them the messages on Discord.
He opened it and showed several messages to investigators and
allowed investigators to take photos of the screen as each
message. All right, this is the guy
they're talking about apparently again in custody.
I've got another little clip of there talking about we were
hearing initial reports that came out of the louder with
Crowder show that there were items written or there were
words written on some of the ammunition that was in the
recovered rifle. And this is kind of a
discussion, as I understand, like I said, I'm I went off the
captions on this thing. I wasn't able to actually listen
all the way through it. So this is the the governor
again talking, and then we'll hear the dumbest thing that I
can imagine. Investigators noted inscriptions
that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle
inscriptions on a fire casing. Read Notices Bulges Capital OWO
What's this question mark? Inscriptions on the three
unfired casings read Hey fascist, exclamation point,
catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and
symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
A second unfired casing read O Bella chow, Bella chow, Bella
chow chow chow and a third unfired casing read.
If you read this you are gay LMAO.
We are indebted to law enforcement across the state.
All right, so they went on and described some of the other
things on there. We'll go and get some clips for
the full press conference. Again, I'm grabbing that on the
fly, which is not quite that easy to do.
You're talking about trolling, memeing stuff.
This is like actually an online joke that people say that you
leave a message for the FBI. If you if you read this note,
then you're gay and this is something that you've seen
people put in memes. This is really juvenile type
behavior. So at least we had professionals
on the scene, except we didn't. We had an FBI director who is a
Hindu talking about a man who was not just Christian, but an
evangelist in many ways going out and evangelizing his faith.
I talked to Gerardo Boyle last night and I said no matter what
you say about Charlie Kirk, you have to you have to acknowledge
that he was really an incredible witness and was very open about
it. I didn't know him privately, so
I can only look at his public space, but I know that Charlie
Kirk avowed very strong Christian views and that he
hoped to live an example and, and convert people with
tolerance. And, and we've already kind of
covered some of these things. So that makes this the most
incongruous statement that I've probably ever heard of someone
that would try to call him a friend.
I don't know where this comes from.
This is like fake warrior culture cosplay LAR Ping
bullshit, and this just was done on a national scene.
How do you outlive? How do you downplay this?
After the screw up of of announcing that you got
somebody, I'm going to show you some other things.
I promised you that I might kind of go over this lawsuit that
dropped a couple days ago, so I'm going to do a little bit of
that too. But first we're going to play
this. I haven't even heard this clip
out loud. I've only seen the captions of
it and I'm already cringing that we're going to play it.
For those of you in the chat, here we go Lastly to my friend
Charlie Kirk. Rest now brother, we have the
watch. And I'll see you in Valhalla.
Can somebody react to that for me?
Because I don't, I'm uncomfortable even hearing it.
Who scripted, who wrote that? Who?
Who did he run that by? And they were like, yeah, go say
that. Go say we'll see you in
Valhalla. A man who was nonviolent, A man
who was a debater. Who?
Was not like some tatted up military bro.
I've I've look, I've got guys that I've, I've worked with that
had things like Victory or Valhalla tattooed on their body.
They lived a warrior ethos. That's the way that they
operated. I don't know what in the hell
he's doing. I don't know who he's hanging
out with or who's telling him that.
That's the way that you communicate things.
I'm going to play it one more time.
Lastly, to my friend Charlie Kirk.
Rest now, brother. We have the watch.
And I'll see you in Valhalla. You can see the governor tapping
him on the shoulder just being like you utter fool.
What in the actual hell is wrong with you?
And unfortunately, this has become a real big pattern.
And I'm going to tell you this, you guys haven't seen this.
If you're a member of our local channel or our locals community,
then you may have already seen this.
I did post this entire lawsuit if you guys want to check it
out. This is a truly wild thing.
This is what I've been grappling with a couple days.
I'm going through these things where I'm I'm watching something
horrible. A father and husband
assassinated for his words at a university campus that is
outside of bounds for all, like all civil society and all the
ugly things that involves and all the, the, the types of
reactions that fathers and husbands have.
And you guys, there was, there's Nick Fridas on there and, and
he's talking about it and, and he's one of those warrior types.
You didn't hear him say something stupid like that.
He goes on, actually in the, in the clip that I played you
earlier, which I might post over on the, on the locals as well.
He goes on to say something to the effect of like, whatever,
it's our job now to take care of their family.
And I agree with these things. We need to take care of people
that put themselves on the line. It's the reason why I helped
raise money for Gerardo Boyle's family.
You know, if you're willing to go be a white martyr or God
forbid, a red martyr, which is to say if you're willing to give
up your, your comfort and your, your social conditions, or if
you're willing to give up your life for your faith and the
things that you believe are correct.
You know, in many ways, Charlie's not just a martyr in,
in the religious sense, I think he's also a martyr for this
country because of the things that he was trying to espouse
that you wanted to speak first. So I'm, I'm grappling with all
that information. And then at the same time, I'm
also looking at this lawsuit that popped out.
And I've been it's if you guys don't follow left wing media,
you wouldn't see this. But this was on CNN, this was on
USA TODAY, this was on NBC. There's a bunch of crazy stuff.
And this is, I'm going to read some of it to you.
I'm just it's, it's absolutely stunning.
United States District Court, District of Columbia.
This is Brian Driscoll. He was the former acting
director before Cash took over of the FBI.
Stephen Jensen, the J6 warlord that we've called out many times
here on this program and the things that he did as the, the,
the section chief over the domestic terrorism operations
section. Spencer Evans, who was in charge
of the Las Vegas field office and also was the deputy
attorney. He was the deputy assistant
director of human resources during all the COVID tyranny.
So my, my problems with these men notwithstanding and they, I
have problems with them and I've, you know, mostly I don't
have an issue with what Driscoll said, although some of the
things he said I think are a little bit too Bureau for me,
but that's, that's fine. Anyway, filed by against Cash
Patel against the the FBI against Pam Bondi in her
official capacity as well Justice Department and the
United States and the executive of office, the president and the
allegations laid out in this complaint.
And here's the thing, you listen to some people and they go out
there and they and they make allegations and you go, OK,
maybe that's semi credible or, you know, this is a civil suit.
So they don't have like a, a high burden of, of requirement
to be 100% factually accurate. And then you know that you're
doing it from someone who spent 20 something years at the FBI,
particularly someone like Brian Driscoll, who all reports that
he was a stellar and outstanding case agent, that he was an
outstanding physical operator, that he was a really good
teammate, that he was a good supervisor, that he was a decent
leader. All of this stuff is truly crazy
to read when you know the background of some of these
guys, specifically Driscoll's the one that I just found like
one of the most damning indictments of what has been
going on. So they they explain who all
these guys are and what their roles were and where they worked
and the history. And so that's what I'm scrolling
by here. This is just like a summary of
who they were and what their careers look like.
But when you start getting into the allegations and the fact
patterns of how it was that they came into the position they were
in under Cash Patel, and then how it was that they were
eventually removed, it is freaking crazy.
It is absolutely insane. And it is such a damning
indictment of the unserious nature that apparently Trump 2
point O and the administration has taken with the Justice
Department specifically. It is nuts to me.
At the time that Donald Trump's inauguration took place,
Driscoll was the special agent in charge of the Newark field
office in New Jersey. Jensen was the special agent in
charge of Columbia. And then you had Spencer Evans,
who was in charge of the Las Vegas field office.
It goes on to talk about how some guy named Michael Clarke, a
special agent who is associated with the Society of ex FBI
agents are also known as Sock EC, ex FBI.
This retired special agent who retired, as far as I can tell,
like 15 years ago or give or take, Like he was already in the
private industry in 2012 or 2013.
So I don't know how far back it was that he was retired, but
he's been out of the Bureau for well over a decade, like closer
to a decade and a half by my estimation.
He has a background in, in English, but he teaches forensic
something or other, you know, criminology stuff at a
university. He's at the university, I think
in New Haven. I'm, I'm just going off memory
here, so don't quote me 100% on that one.
But he somehow managed to establish a relationship with
Cash Patel while he was an agent many, many years ago and then
now is like an advisor. And so he was coming in and
vetting and asking people in the Bureau who should be promoted.
That's really crazy. And so if you guys want to blame
somebody for why the FBI didn't take on the right answers and
didn't actually go after the real problems, it's because he
cash immediately snuggled up to this transition team that
involved this guy Mike Clark and and took their advice, which
came directly out of the Society of FBI former agents.
So they didn't go to people that were, you know, the folks that
were whistleblowers. They didn't go to the people
that said, hey, we know there's a real problem.
They went to the people who defended the Bureau by default.
And that's why we have a lot of these issues.
The first thing that we find out is that Driscoll and this guy
whose name is Robert Kessane, we're actually not supposed to
be in the right order. It was supposed to be that
Robert Kasane was supposed to be the acting director.
And somehow the Trump administration wrote it wrong
and then decided, well, we wrote the order and so we're not going
to do anything about it. And Emil Bove, who was the
deputy attorney general, decided to just go with it.
They were like, whatever it's written, we're not going to
fight it. Who cares who the acting is?
So then we Scroll down and we find out that they started
having all these meetings and all these meetings were
immediately political, that there was political vetting
going on. And you know, for for a group of
people that have advocated that they were going to try to get a,
an apolitical FBI. And that's what you kind of want
from an FBI. They immediately did the
opposite of that. Driscoll says that the process
entailed questions about his social media, whether he donated
to the Democrat Party. And he was asked if he did or
did not vote for Kamala Harris in the 2024 election.
That's what Cash Patel told him the questions would be out.
He was, he was questioned by a 29 year old attorney who's
basically never had a real job before, as far as I can tell, in
the guy of what's his name, Paul Ingrassia, who I've met and he's
an utterly unimpressive person in in, in person.
He was working with like the guys over that Ryan Matta knew
he was part of whatever the heck that broadcast group is.
I don't remember what they even call it's, it's like it's not
even important enough to remember.
Paul Ingrassia was the White House representative as the DOJ
transition liaison. He had no experience in the
White House, the DOJ or the FBI or in government in general.
And he is like an attorney, as far as I could tell that like
has a degree, but I don't think he's worked as an attorney.
And he's asking vetting questions for a quote, UN quote,
high level position at the FBI. They go on and ask him how to
define threats, What should be done with the structure of the
FBI? Who did you vote for?
Which Driscoll refused to answer.
Do you agree that FBI agents stormed Mar a Lago and that the
Reagan file should be held accountable?
He was asked about that. What are your thoughts on
diversity, equity, inclusion? I actually don't really like his
answer for that. By the way, his answer that
diversity is important doesn't feel great to me.
When did you start supporting Donald Trump?
Assuming this? Driscoll didn't answer of that
either. Have you ever voted for a
Democrat in the last five elections?
None of these things are relevant.
We're not allowed to have political tests for these jobs
that are supposed to be apolitical.
And of course, Cash Patel went out and said that it was going
to be an apolitical job, that he was not going to hold people,
you know, in in improper holds. For whatever it's worth, folks,
all of the recommendations we made to Patel and what would
eventually be Bongino's leadership, we all told them
that if you wanted these things to stick, there was a legal way
to do it. And the easiest way to do it is
to take people that work there and put them in positions where
they were no longer going to be a problem.
And then the 2nd and most important piece of it was, is
that if there was actually criminal allegations, then you
go through the process, you, you do an internal investigation,
you go ahead and remove them from their position for cause
and you follow the process in due process so that you can
actually do it right. Instead of what they did to guys
like Erica Boyle and Steve Friend and myself.
Because you wanted it to stick. This, these, these terminations
are not going to stick. By the way, these guys are going
to get paid out and they're probably going to get paid out
handsomely because the fact pattern that is laid out here,
and I'm confident that it's accurate based on seeing it from
the outside and hearing from other people inside, it's
wildly, it's wildly illegal. What they did.
They violated all of the due process requirements.
They violated FBI policy. And apparently Cash Patel
admitted to these guys that the things that he was doing,
including the firing of Chris Meyer, the firing of Walter
Gardena, and then going and getting rid of the three men
that are in this lawsuit was actually illegal.
He believed it was illegal, but he was going to lose his job
with Trump if he didn't do it. The really crazy part comes in
where Cash Patel was apparently pressuring these men, and
specifically it mentions it in the case of Stephen Jensen, who
I've been very aggressive about saying he was not the right guy
to lead the Washington Field office because of his background
and because of what that weaponized government did.
That doesn't mean that you fire him.
It means you put him somewhere irrelevant, put him out in Guam
and let him rat out the rest of his days in irrelevancy.
Instead, what they did is they put him in the Washington Field
Office, defended it, and then Cash Patel was apparently, per
Jensen's own statements in this, this complaint was actually
asking Patel was asking Jensen to sue prominent online
commentators who are making Cash's job more difficult with
political pressure. The words political capital are
used in order to defend his hiring.
And they specifically mentioned me in this lawsuit.
It the allegations in this lawsuit, which are not the
original point that they have, but it obviously loads up what
we're dealing with here, State that Cash Patel was being
pressured by the White House to do something and his solution
was get FBI employees that he was asking on FBI time to go
engage Cash Patel's own defamation lawyers and then come
out and sue Kyle Serafin to shut him up.
And that would take some of the pressure off his back.
That's the claim. That's that's wild.
And so now we have people who are witnesses to what what looks
a lot like a conspiracy between the attorneys that have sued us.
It's truly conspiratorial to go and try to ask other people to
join your plan to sue people for defamation.
And the things that we reported on about Stephen Jensen were the
factual requirements of his job, his own factual statements that
he gave Underoath. So there's no defamation case
against him. And what Jensen said, to his
credit, is that I'm not going to worry about what online media
people are saying about my job or what I do.
I'm going to focus on the mission of the FBI.
You know what? That's what people in the FBI
are supposed to do. You have to deal with public
scrutiny and cash. Patel's answer to it was how do
we sue this guy to stop him? The allegations in the 68 page
lawsuit are so damning and it's so embarrassing, I would say for
the Trump administration at large because what it shows is
unbelievable amounts of amateur hours.
There's allegations that Dan Bongino is completely fixated on
the things that he said on Fox News.
They mentioned that he is a very interested in the pipe bomber,
the Dobbs leak, and the cocaine in the White House story to the
point where people who were interacting with him felt like
he didn't understand the priorities of the FBI and that
his entire job was to create content on social media.
I'm paraphrasing from this lawsuit here.
That was the claim. So when I hear from people that
are in the Bureau that are at the low level that we are
basically being run by social media influencers and you
actually see social media influencer type language where
the where the FBI director goes out and says victory or Valhalla
or I'll see you in Valhalla brother.
We have the watch to a non military, non law enforcement,
like non physical warrior, not vet bro, just a guy who believed
in Christ and was out there trying to have a both an
evangelistic position and debate people on on the culture war.
What are we doing here? I mean, it's so crazy.
I've read this and I was like, not only do I believe most of
this stuff is true from the from the outside reporting that I've
gotten in, it also aligns with some of this, this, this
muppetry that we keep seeing from this administration on the
DOJ side specifically. And you'll notice the press
conference and the interview that Donald Trump did.
He praised the US Marshall, he praised Pam Bondi, he said the
police did a great job. No mention of our FBI, who
theoretically had to fly a deputy director and A and an
actual director out there to be part of a press conference for
him to say something stupid and embarrassing.
I don't know how that guy lasts. And as we mentioned earlier,
they've already got the White House's first choice.
The original first choice was Andrew Bailey, and now he's
working at the FBI. So when I told you that I
thought their time was limited, I mean that real specifically,
and all these guys do under pressure is continue to act like
fools. It is so silly and stupidly
embarrassing. Emil Bove comes off as very,
very amateurish and incredibly sort of inappropriate in in
this. You know, obviously it's one
side of the story. So the other side of it will be
interesting to hear what he says.
But I don't see how any of this stuff allows the men that are in
charge to stay. And 68 pages, which is now being
covered in mainstream press. The minute that the right wing
media stops covering every single minute they can for this
sinking FBI ship that's out there, it's going to be
catastrophic. And someone, there's plenty of
people, if you go look at comments online that are
starting to realize what this is.
They asked for things that were inappropriate.
I actually think Driscoll didn't behave appropriately.
As I said at the time, I think that you should have given over
the names of people that worked on January 6th because that's
what you're asking for. That's a reasonable order for
DOJ to have oversight over. But the way that they handled
this and the way that they decided to do things, especially
admissions by the current FBI director who says basically for
me to keep my job, I must break the law in firing you, is
unbelievable. And this is opening up a huge
field day for all the people on the political left that have
been targeting and want to embarrass the Trump
administration. They're going to be able to do
it. And it's because of stupidity
and having people that are not bright, that are fumbling under
pressure left and right no matter what happens.
This is, you know, the great example I showed you.
If you go out and announce that you've got somebody in custody
when you don't and have to retract it an hour later, all
that tells me is you are so desperate for positive
messaging. And the, and what we see also
is, is that every single time you put a little bit of pressure
on these guys, not only do they cave, they embarrass themselves
even further. This is a comedy of errors.
This is the the Brier rabbit or what is it?
What was the the tar baby scenario?
You know, the tar baby says nothing and you're mad at it for
existing. So you take a swing at it and
you hit the tar baby and then you get tar on yourself and
you're mad again. So you hit the tar baby and all
you do is end up like covered in tar.
And the tar baby is not even a real person.
It's just this inanimate object that's just sitting there
letting you tie yourself in knots.
Patel keeps doing this stuff. It's freaking wild.
One more time. Lastly, to my friend Charlie
Kirk. Rest now, brother.
We have the watch. And I'll see you in Valhalla.
All right, I yeah, I don't, I don't know what planet we're
living on where these are the people that are out there
running things. It's really gross.
I was going to play you guys some other sort of hatred coming
from the left, but I'm not going to do that because I'm just the
the solution has always been that you needed to fix this FBI.
So it doesn't do things. So it it actually does the
threat assessments that that should be done apolitically if
you're going to have it do it at all or put that money into
places where it can actually do work.
We spent $11 billion a year on that FBI and what are we getting
for it right now? We're getting multiple private
jet flights a day. I have some allegations that are
unsubstantiated right now, but I'll just tell you, I'm being
told that Cash Patel was having lunch when when Charlie Kirk was
shot or maybe even dinner, and that he was notified while he
was in New Jersey in a place called Cliffside, sitting at a
restaurant. He got the call, was told what
happened, and then he went back to eating his lunch and then
walked out after he was done eating.
And it's coming in from a pretty credible source.
So that will remain to be seen whether that's actually what
happened. But this is this is acting.
It's theater. RFK Junior said it the other day
accurately. I'm going to play you a palate
cleanse because I don't think I can get away without it.
And it's a palate cleanse about what should be the discussion
and what the right answer should be, which is always that we
should be, we should be weeping for the death of civility.
And going into this weekend, you know, I hope you guys are
preparing yourself for some really bad possibilities.
And I hope that you're also hugging and loving your
children. And that's what the the governor
of Utah said yesterday said put your phones down, stop doing the
conspiracy and and give your kids a hug and spend some time
outside with them. So I hope you guys do that as
well. We've talked about this during
the election cycle. We're back into that same
mindset. So do that.
I don't have a Sunday sit down, but I've got a couple of neat
ones that are coming up. One of them particularly that
we're going to be talking about agency, which is that you don't
have to have permission to go do things as a man or a woman that
knows that God loves you in the world.
You can just go do the things that you think are right,
regardless of whether somebody gives you permission or invites
you to. It's another reminder that if
you hear a little voice in your head saying, should I act?
That's a reminder that you should act, whatever that is.
If some of you were thinking, hey, I haven't been to church in
a long time, then you should go to church.
And I've had some friends reach out and tell me that too, people
that otherwise don't go to church.
And they said, I'm thinking about going back.
It seems like it might be the right thing to do for me and my
family and my children and so on.
And that's awesome. And so I think people are going
to have an awakening of that. That's going to be the legacy
that you're going to see from the shooting.
But we're also going to see a, an exposure of of utter
incompetence for some folks out there that you wanted to trust.
It's been the six to eight months already.
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also good. All right, let's do a palate
cleanse because God, we need it. This guy does some pretty good
sort of like back and forth where he argues with himself,
plays two different characters. He's saying the right thing.
So I think it's a good message to go out on for this weekend.
Charlie Kirk got shot. What the the, the right wing
guy. Yeah, he got shot on campus in
the middle of the debate. Fuck what?
I thought you hated the guy. Yeah, but just because I
disagree with the guy doesn't mean I believe he deserves to
get shot. But he was spewing all that hate
speech on university campuses. What do you think universities
are for? It's not supposed to be some
echo chamber. Where you hear the same opinions
thrown back at you. It's supposed to be a place
where you learn how to be a critical thinker, and the only
way of doing so is by having your own ideas attacked so you
can learn to either defend or throw away the ideas that don't
serve you. Not to be a safe space.
It's supposed to be dangerous because ideas are dangerous.
A single idea can heal or poison an entire nation.
Well, he said Pew, Pew deaths are a necessary cost.
Having a Second Amendment, that's what I'm afraid of.
That we forget that we're brother and sister, that we
dehumanize one another, assuming malice, but we forget that merit
is not monopolized by either side, that we need one another.
That through compromise we might be able to find some semblance
of truth. Because if we.
Point a barrel, we become a monster too.
Not wrong, not wrong at all, but that time may have already
passed, which is the other thing that I think a lot of us are
acknowledging by the time people start pulling triggers, it's
already happened. And that's why I brought up the
the left wing and the assassination cult and the
assassination culture that exists on the left right now,
which is pretty strong. Anyway, hopefully that's a
reminder to you to go out and prepare yourself, whatever it
looks like. And again, take some time away
from social media conspiracies and all the other kind of crazy
stuff. Take a little breath this
weekend. I look forward to seeing you
guys back on Monday morning at 0930 Eastern Time if you watch
this live. Otherwise, we'll catch you on
Spotify, iHeartRadio, over on Apple and so on.
God bless you. God bless the family of the Kirk
family as well those two little kids and look forward to seeing
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