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Take a look behind the curtain 
with a real whistleblower. 

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An American Patriot prepare to 
embrace the uncomfortable truth 

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because this program has no time
for comforting lies. 

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Here is civil liberties, 
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Defender and recovering FBI 
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Kyle serif Hello, my friends and
welcome to the Kyle Surf and 

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show for Monday. 
May the 8th as I promise, I will

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be coming to you tape. 
Delays, we are going to get this

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done on Sunday, the day before, 
because I'm going to be doing 

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the Tim cast in Real Life 
podcast this evening. 

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So after you watch this, you can
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me. 
On, Tim cast today is going to 

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continue our long form interview
series kind of back on track. 

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And I have a guest named Peter 
Johnson who I met at the SHOT 

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Show in Las. 
Vegas was instantly, just a cool

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guy to meet. 
And then of course, like so many

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things we Add all these things 
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be interesting to you all as 
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He owns and operates Archway 
defense, which is a training 

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company. 
And he got his background doing 

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five years, as a federal Air 
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You can see where we've kind of 
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He used to be an international 
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counterterrorism missions and 
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And prior to that, just like me,
he was in the Air Force. 

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Did six years, working overseas 
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role. 
He did. 

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Ordinance clearing conducting 
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Intel. 
On local Nomads. 

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We're going to dig into all the 
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I think it's also interesting 
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criminal justice with an 
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And that led to a Capstone 
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radicalization of Somali youth 
in Minneapolis. 

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So we're touching a bunch of 
things that we've touched on 

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before on the Kyle Serafin show 
including the George Floyd 

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stuff. 
The fact that there was this no 

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go Zone and sort of the 
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in Minneapolis, the 
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And we're going to talk about 
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be relevant to you, like active 
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And right now, we're going to 
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bringing it up mr. 
Peter Johnson. 

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Good. 
How are you doing, buddy? 

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I'm good. 
Thanks for having me. 

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Yeah, I'm really looking forward
to this. 

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Actually, the beard. 
I know you told me it was a clip

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on but it looks fantastic. 
It is very sporting folks. 

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He looks like this in real life 
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7 foot 11, something like that 
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Yes, I'm somewhere in there like
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Yeah, well I used to run around 
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When I was in the Air Force was 
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I'm you know, I'm about 58 so 
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and a great day and kind of 
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Always end up with like really 
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you've got the cool to the logo 
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First of all, tell people like 
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go just get into your background
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straight into this thing and 
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Phantom's. 
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about the riots that happened 
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like a lot of people in 9/11, 
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calling join the military and 
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Air Force and bounce all over 
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for a little while and head out 
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Marshals around. 09 so Midwest 
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is it the New York field office 
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New knife. 
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five years and in d.c. 
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It's a double UFO, Washington, 
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And I fo in the New York field 
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make it here, you can make it 
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it's just a horrific place to 
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But yeah, it's not exactly. 
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meant it, when he was singing, 
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Living at all those other 
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agents cost of living is brutal 
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the offset and then especially 
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time that's also got to be 
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So, fans are away from home. 
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five nights a week. 
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insane out of New York. 
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They had rotating days off for a
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Again, you're going out to the 
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West Coast, then back to Europe 
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you'd wake up and not even know 
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Yeah, that's that's brutal to 
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locked on when you're on the 
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the mission set little bit. 
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Who's retired? 
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And is working with the National
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employer and I just want other 
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on it. 
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school, you came out of high 
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Minnesota, and then did you 
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Force out of high school? 
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No, so joined the military. 
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eligible. 
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That's very prompt. 
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So did you, they didn't even 
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Delayed Enlistment program just 
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right off the Lachlan. 
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Do you remember the Lackland 
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Did they have that going when 
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actor? 
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Because I was still there. 13 
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line, right? 
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pterodactyl, when I went to 
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and enlisted with a college 
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and I get this this drill 
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Like, I don't want to see you 
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attention, I don't care and he's
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pterodactyl comes and you know, 
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A tactile thing, they do it to 
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I watched kids, you know, 
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the place and just getting 
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I was a grown-up, you yell at 
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in my life, who's done it. 
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at you said 27. 
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have like 17 year-olds coming 
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There's a lot of life experience
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years, the hundred percent. 
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security forces was that your, 
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C, 3, Secure went straight from 
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Forces, then Air Base ground 
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into, I forgot what the 
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Northern watch or something. 
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deployment, but all the not post
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Going to be and did six years 
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0-8, okay. 
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Marksman. 
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trainings you can do and there's
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IDs at the gate then there's 
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is actually going to do that 
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forces. 
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people, that don't know the 
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kind of twofold. 
It's either you're in a law 

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enforcement on base security, 
role or your in Air Base ground 

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defense, which can include Off 
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do. 
Think I do you. 

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Like the way you said that to 
this, what you want to do? 

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It's what people who looking are
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do, right? 
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You definitely everything. 
I mean, even with the insanity, 

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everything was great off base 
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That's when you have to deal 
with all the just BS of military

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life where you're actually 
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So I focus more, especially on 
my last deployment 06 and 07 off

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base, so we would spend 14 hours
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By the wire which was way more 
fun than checking IDs or sitting

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in a tower hoping that some 
people are going to run across a

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field and start shooting at you.
I like that. 

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You said hoping to it gets 
really boring up in those Towers

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100%, I could imagine that. 
Yeah, everybody wants to do the 

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mission, they're trained to do 
as far as specialized skill 

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sets. 
What kind of things did you do 

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additional kind of skills and 
training? 

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Did you do while you were in 
that afsc? 

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So, when through combat arms, 
training maintenance, The end of

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my enlistment so it's actually 
really good school down again, 

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Lachlan, but it's a formal 
instructor school and not just 

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weapon platforms but how to 
teach adults and people who 

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think and not just regurgitate 
information but deployed we were

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blowing up stuff every other day
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And then we were doing the fast,
not the Marine Corps fast, but 

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the air marshal are the pardon 
me, the Air Force fast, which is

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Flyway security team. 
So you'd fly all through Iraq. 

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I didn't Get over to 
Afghanistan. 

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But anywhere that a C-130 could 
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We were doing Flyway security 
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security mission where you are 
the sacrificial Force to keep 

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allow the aircraft to take off 
or you're a flight deck denial. 

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If you're transporting pucks or 
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generals or politicians or 
something else as they're flying

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through. 
Iraq. 

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The entire country and makes 
sense. 

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And when you say combat Arts is 
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The is that the red hat school? 
Yeah, that's a redhead school. 

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So for what it's worth, at least
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Firearms, instruction program. 
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long, it's been a while, but to 
just focus on how to teach 

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people for a couple of months 
full-time, it for what it's 

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worth for military, it was a 
pretty good instructure 

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instructor, development course. 
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pretty well. 
And And you you are competent 

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capable. 
I know you're so when I say 

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you're a big guy, I mean, that 
in a very serious way, people 

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should understand that you got 
big hands and it makes it makes 

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a difference being able to 
control a firearm, particularly 

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a handgun. 
If you have the kind of the 

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bigger Mitch and the bigger body
behind it and and that 

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obviously, led to you being kind
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the fans do, right? 
That meeting ended up going 

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there. 
Yeah, so the part I loved about 

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the fams was I thought it was a 
good shooter in the military. 

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I was an expert Marksman and 
does it a marksman. 

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And the one of the Shooters in 
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I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get 
shooter in shot. 

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A lot by myself and trained 
constantly, even after the 

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military and when you get into 
the Air, Marshals, I'm like, 

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okay, I'm a good shooter and 
then you realize, how much 

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better you can get when you're 
in an environment that is driven

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towards Perfection of 
Marksmanship, and the ability to

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run a gun opposed to shoot a 
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difference. 
So, we were shooting. 

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I think your old Duty gun of 
8:58 357 Sig. 

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Did you guys have that still in 
the? 

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No. 
No, that was sorry, he a secret.

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So you guys I know a lot of 
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because it was all under DHS at 
some point. 

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And that's I think that's how 
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that way. 
But yeah, you were shooting kind

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of a zippy round out of those, 
the sweet cigs. 

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Yeah. 
So 357 Sig in for the shooters, 

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listening 357, Sig 9 mil 
projectile basically on a 40 

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Smith & Wesson casing neck down.
Just super Snappy around and 

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then Plus p.m. oh no they've 
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during our time you're a lot of 
rounds down range. 

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Yeah let's break that down just 
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novice Firearms but I'll plus p 
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amount of pressure that that 
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And when you start adding a p 
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incrementally, increasing the 
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the chamber, which means you get
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mostly what it means is, it 
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something that is trying to get.
Out of your hands a lot harder. 

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It is a and it's good for 
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for aggressive actions as 
needed. 

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But definitely it makes it a 
challenge to shoot those things.

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Oh yeah. 
So if you can shoot that well, 

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you can shoot, you can pick up 
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shoot it after that, I can 
totally imagine that. 

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All right, so you went through 
the fans Academy in 2010. 

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How did you choose fams of all 
the different sort of federal 

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law enforcement out there? 
What, what led you that route? 

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So kind of happenstance at the 
time I was working for a police 

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department in Minnesota 
part-time as Non-sworn because 

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they you needed a four-year to 
be sworn I already had my two 

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years knocked out but I was 
going through my four year 

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program while I was coming up 
the ranks and that was kind of 

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the pipeline if you will to get 
us Warren position. 

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At that specific PD is, you 
worked 38 hours, part-time 

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finish up your four year degree 
and then got in well the 

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financial collapse happened 
right as I got the job. 

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So the housing market is 
tanking. 

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They're laying off all the like 
our Intel analysts and A else at

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the PD and I'm looking at my 
name on the list. 

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I'm like there's only a couple 
people behind me. 

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So I talked to the captain I 
said, is it, do you know where 

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this is going to go? 
He's like, we have no idea how 

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deep this is going to cut. 
Like, okay, are you okay if I 

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start applying a somewhere else 
because I just got this job and 

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he's gave me his Blessing if you
will. 

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Yep. 
And friend of mine from the 

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military said, hey, did you know
the Air? 

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Marshals are hiring. 
I'm like, oh well we did the air

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marshal mission in Iraq with the
fast and I We like that. 

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So let's give it a shot. 
So I applied in think I started 

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the application process in early
08 and then finally got a job 

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offer late 09. 
Okay. 

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So you were going into the fams 
about the time that I had 

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enlisted, because I went into in
June, I think of 2009. 

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So so you went in there and you 
did. 

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What six years is that correct? 
Five total five, totals 09 to 

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end of 2014 2015. 
Teen. 

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So Phil and I were talking 
before you got on about the fans

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as an organization and in many 
ways, kind of the, you know, the

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bastardize redheaded stepchild 
of federal law enforcement, just

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not a lot of love. 
A lot of not just very few 

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people understand what the 
mission is and I think probably 

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really even worse when it comes 
to bureaucrats, right? 

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So we were talking about how 
tough it is like the people that

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actually stick it out and do 20 
years with the fans, are either 

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a special breed of tough or 
maybe they just are not got 

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their head up and look around or
what's how tough is it to 

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survive in that agency? 
You know what first I'll say 

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some of the best people I've 
ever worked with in my life were

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in the air marshal program. 
On the front lines, like truly 

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some of the strongest Patriots. 
Best fighters, best Shooters. 

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Best tactician errs. 
These guys rock stars. 

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Honestly, I'm not talking about.
We all had worked with people 

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that you want to forget. 
And thankfully I've forgotten 

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about those people. 
I'm talking about the the rock 

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stars that I did work with and 
some of them are still in the 

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program right now. 
Sure. 

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But it's the most people don't 
know the fans. 

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The air marshal program has been
around since the 60s 1962. 

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It's not a new program on 9/11, 
there was 33 Air, Marshals 

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total. 
So, yeah, it's had a history of 

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kind of like these huge 
multi-thousand Air Marshal 

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pushes where they increase 
because the hijackings of sky 

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jackings and that's mainly 70s 
and 80s when I was going on, 

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right, and then they cut the 
budget. 

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It as everybody does and it kind
of just kept going through this,

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but initially was under the FAA,
the Federal Aviation 

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Administration, which makes a 
lot more sense because the FAA 

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is not a law enforcement agency 
and the Air, Marshals were a 

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counterterrorism agency, not a 
law enforcement. 

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And there is a pretty big 
difference on how you approach 

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that topic. 
But then it did get bastardized,

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especially after 9/11, when into
I think it was originally the 

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FAA. 
And then Bounce quickly to 

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someone else Customs and Border 
Protection. 

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Then it got into TSA and then 
downhill from there. 

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But the reason there's a lot of 
former Secret Service in the 

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Air, Marshals is, I found out 
and this is one of my old 

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supervisors. 
Who was Secret Service said? 

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Yeah, a lot of the old guys that
they wanted to get out of the 

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Secret Service, who are 
non-performers, they pushed them

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over to the Air, Marshals and 
gave them a they could pull 

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their retirement, get another 
salary and build another. 

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Retirement while they got rid of
them, out of it, the Secret 

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Service side. 
So of quarter always want, 

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totally makes sense. 
Um, just promoting the world's 

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most critical space right like, 
take them away from money, 

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laundering investigations, in 
New Orleans and put them into a 

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plane where somebody might try 
to hijack. 

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It yeah just wild but so the it 
is a very bastardized I 

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apologize but it is it agency 
with some drawing, some of the 

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best. as I've ever worked with 
in my life, By contrast led by, 

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some of the dumbest people I've 
met in my life at the top 

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levels. 
And most of those that when I 

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was working there at the top 
level there, they've already 

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gone. 
I don't know what it's like now,

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but from hearing from my friends
in and obviously watching your 

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show and staying in contact with
just old teammates, it seems 

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like it's it's up to the same 
old Behavior, really good. 

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Skill set, very talented people,
crazy, awesome unique. 

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Leti of being able to deploy 
trigger pullers anywhere in the 

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world within minutes. 
I mean you can you can flood 

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anywhere in the world with 
covert well-trained, people who 

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can work by themselves, they 
don't need any service and 

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support. 
They can trains, they can go 

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into any country come and go as 
they please, and they're very 

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comfortable with it, with no, no
crazy Logistics or spin up time.

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But then, and even as we're 
hearing now, It's kind of 

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morphed into just another 
bureaucratic weird organization 

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that gets used and abused. 
Yeah, definitely that and which 

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is really disappointing on so 
many levels. 

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But I do appreciate the 
correction there because I was, 

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I was sitting there thinking I'm
like, yeah, the way I said that 

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doesn't sound right. 
I've got two buddies that are 

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current FBI right now, former 
fans and they were two of my 

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favorite guys to work with hands
down. 

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You exactly the way you 
described it, good tacticians 

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capable when it comes to 
fighting capable when it comes 

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to being a physical animal you 
know. 

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Understands the 
three-dimensional space where 

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they were working. 
We work surveillance together 

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and you know those are the guys 
I want have in my back. 

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I know they can pull the trigger
and put exactly what they need 

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to do and end of the day, it's 
like what a sad loss for the 

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program, but so many great dudes
that are former fans and people 

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that are stuck in there on the 
front lines. 

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And then, like you said, led by 
some of the worst. 

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The FBI is the same way in a lot
of ways. 

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It's just the worst management 
you can imagine right? 

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Yeah, it's it unfortunately it's
consistently. 

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Now with our, my current We 
travel Coast-to-Coast border 

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border, training State, local 
and federal law enforcement. 

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So we come across some feds and 
I always have the same 

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conversation as we're having 
right now. 

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Is how is it? 
Oh guys on the ground? 

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For the most part really good 
people. 

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DC is completely gongshow, it's 
ridiculous 100%. 

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And we're going to definitely 
talk about what you're doing 

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right now because I think people
are going to find that 

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fascinating. 
I want to just kind of cover 

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sort of the mission set that you
did when you were in the fans 

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and kind of before you got out 
and then maybe you can tell me. 

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You know what? 
Was the final decision point to 

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leave five years is kind of a 
make-or-break time because 

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somewhere between five and ten 
years you decide whether you're 

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going to be there for the next, 
you know, 10 or 15 after that. 

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So, you know what did you do in 
and then, you know what changed 

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your mind to go. 
Private. 

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Yeah. 
So initially getting out of the 

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academy phenomenal training, 
some of the best Shooters on the

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planet were Cadre. 
So training, with these guys 

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super gun, ho get into the 
mission set, you start getting 

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good Mission packets of known. 
Terrace affiliate terrorists in 

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their Affiliates or plus ones 
and you're doing surveillance 

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packages on those guys traveling
all over the world. 

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Obviously wears you down a bit 
but you felt like you were doing

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the right thing and your 
commission made sense even on 

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the frustrating days. 
Well, then it started morphine. 

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Midway through my time in where 
you started getting packets on 

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people, with no derogatory 
information whatsoever, I can't 

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go into detail specifically. 
But normally it would to anyone,

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it would make sense of why you 
would previously be doing a 

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mission on this person because 
you read the packet and you're 

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like, okay, they've done X Y, 
and Z that makes sense. 

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Why we would want to watch these
people, and then you start 

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getting packets on people that 
Are you haven't done anything. 

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We couldn't find. 
I couldn't find if they had a 

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parking ticket. 
And the not International 

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Americans. 
So that was a for me, 

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personally, that was a huge 
Tipping Point. 

451
00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:21,700
I remember sitting in the 
bullpen one day Bolton is like, 

452
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:23,700
where all of our computers are 
at the office. 

453
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:27,000
It's a, your team set up there. 
And during your office days, 

454
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,700
you're just be us in with 
everyone and we started talking 

455
00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:36,200
about some of the stuff that's 
going on and you realize that it

456
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,300
wasn't just our team. 
It wasn't just my my squad. 

457
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:42,100
It was it was happening too. 
Two other guys to, they were 

458
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:46,100
getting these really weird 
packets that had seemingly no 

459
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,300
Nexus. 
What we use Nexus to terrorism. 

460
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,300
There was nothing. 
There there is no there there as

461
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:55,800
they say, right when you're was 
this I'd have to go back but it 

462
00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,300
would probably be right around 
11 or 12. 2011 2012 somewhere in

463
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:03,700
there. 
It got so bad. 

464
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:07,400
I even emailed the director 
myself and I'm like is the open 

465
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,900
door policy or whatever? 
Hey, this is that's fake. 

466
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:14,000
By the way, that's it. 
Obviously, more importantly, 

467
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:20,000
like ethically, I started seeing
this I'm like Okay, the bare 

468
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,600
minimum I have to, I talked to 
my supervisor. 

469
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,700
I'm like, this doesn't make 
sense. 

470
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,900
He's like an animal talk to 
everyone in the chain. 

471
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:30,800
They're like, I don't know. 
So emailed the director didn't 

472
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,600
hear anything back because my 
concern was if we're using our 

473
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,400
resources or the the citizen 
taxpayers resources to go after 

474
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,700
people that I can't find a Nexus
to terrorism. 

475
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:44,500
We're trying to stop the next 
9/11. 

476
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,400
Why are we going after this for 
theoretical? 

477
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,000
John Doe who has no Nexus to 
terrorism? 

478
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800
No, documented criminal history.
Not a threat to Intermodal 

479
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,800
Transportation. 
Anything I'm like it just 

480
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,900
doesn't make sense. 
Emailed, the director, nothing 

481
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,500
emailed Congressman nothing. 
I'm like no one cares, 

482
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:10,900
literally, no one cares. 
We're we have Air Marshals and 

483
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,000
this is a little dirty secret of
the Air. 

484
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,300
Marshals, you can find it, you 
probably talked to a couple but 

485
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,700
the suicide rate of the Air, 
Marshals was horrific, the Ops 

486
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,400
Tempo. 
These guys were traveling 

487
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:26,400
non-stop globally. 
I mean, just insane amounts of 

488
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,700
flight hours, insane amounts of 
trips, and we're happy. 

489
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,300
To do it, especially if there's 
an increase in threat. 

490
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,100
But the suicide rate, it got to 
the point where on our home, 

491
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:39,900
intranet, not internet. 
Intranet our internal internet, 

492
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,200
it would show like a news and 
Bam are air marshal news. 

493
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,800
And I remember one summer was 
just like photo photo photo 

494
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,600
photo and it was all guys, that 
killed themselves. 

495
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:59,100
And I'm like what why are we 
wasting this Talent? 

496
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:04,600
These Patriots for BS, like 
complete BS and that was a 

497
00:25:04,608 --> 00:25:08,300
pretty big disenfranchisement 
disenfranchising for me. 

498
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,800
Obviously, the Ops Tempo was 
ridiculous. 

499
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,200
New York. 
I don't know if you've ever, if 

500
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800
you've lived there for too long,
that didn't help the situation 

501
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,200
either. 
So you put all that together and

502
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,200
it the writing was just kind of 
on the wall for me, or I said, 

503
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,100
okay. 
It was chock it up for what it 

504
00:25:25,108 --> 00:25:26,400
was. 
It was a great experience. 

505
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,900
I worked with some of the best 
people I've ever met in my life.

506
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,200
Huge fan of living in New York 
at all. 

507
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,900
And I said, maybe could I do 
more somewhere else and have 

508
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,600
more of a sense of purpose in my
life. 

509
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:45,400
So, in about 2014, I started 
looking at transitioning out and

510
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,500
finally pulled the ripcord and 
when you stepped out, what did 

511
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:52,200
you step into right away? 
Because starting a company is 

512
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,600
usually not part one, there's 
usually some transition but, you

513
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,500
know, some people take the 
plunge and Go the whole way and 

514
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,700
I'm curious how that yeah, that 
looked I would either super 

515
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,700
smarter super stupid. 
I don't know. 

516
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,300
Cash out everything I could sold
my investment. 

517
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,400
Real estate. 
I just had one condo, got rid of

518
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,100
that dumped. 
Everything I had into starting a

519
00:26:14,108 --> 00:26:18,800
business and God, what I call an
MBA, the very hard way made a 

520
00:26:18,808 --> 00:26:23,600
lot of mistakes and started 
morphing through what What 

521
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,800
business actually is and thank 
God. 

522
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,300
I'm still here today and still 
able to train. 

523
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:30,900
That's awesome. 
Actually, I think that's the, 

524
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:32,700
that's the barrier to entry. 
Most people don't have. 

525
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:34,600
It's the courage, especially 
feds, they don't have the 

526
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,200
courage to step off into the 
void. 

527
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,300
If they have no pride and you 
had no private sector 

528
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:40,300
experience. 
At least not any you know 

529
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:42,200
professional long-term 
experience with it. 

530
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,200
So doing that is even kind of 
more courageous. 

531
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,400
I think that's what keeps a lot 
of feds in place. 

532
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,000
Even though they know that what 
they're doing is wrong or what. 

533
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,200
They're a part of his awful is 
that kind of the same experience

534
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,500
that you had watched? 
People. 

535
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,600
Yeah, it was um, and I God bless
him. 

536
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,500
I still talk to old teammates 
and other feds still this day to

537
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:04,400
this day and I've helped a 
couple transition out where 

538
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,600
they're like, hey, I kind of 
want to get out what I want to 

539
00:27:07,608 --> 00:27:11,000
get into this field and helping 
them like, draft a resume for 

540
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000
it. 
Get into contract, negotiation 

541
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,400
and cetera, but a lot of them, 
get addicted to that paycheck in

542
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,000
the fear of the non guaranteed 
paycheck. 

543
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,700
Actually. 
That brings up a point. 

544
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:26,400
This is actually, this is part 
of that decision-making process 

545
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:29,400
and I can't believe I forgot it 
because I'm talking about 

546
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,100
paycheck. 
So everybody talks about get 

547
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:32,500
into the FED get into the 
government. 

548
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,500
Guaranteed paycheck, guaranteed 
paycheck. 

549
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,300
Like okay, yeah. 
Well I remember the shutdown. 

550
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,100
The there's a couple shutdowns 
that happen while I was in. 

551
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Somebody can go back and look at
the dates on that. 

552
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,900
I don't remember. 
All I remember is they were 

553
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,000
horrible. 
So we stopped getting paid still

554
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
out of work, but more 
importantly and this is where 

555
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,200
most people don't. 
Don't think get it. 

556
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,300
We had government travel cards. 
So we had a credit card that we 

557
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,900
put all of our hotels on all of 
the stuff and think about 

558
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:05,000
traveling that much that credit 
card can get into five ten Grand

559
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,600
in a blink of an eye. 
Just the Ops Tempo is so crazy. 

560
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,200
We're responsible for pain that 
and it's your, it's your credit 

561
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,800
that it's going to hit if you 
don't. 

562
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:15,500
Oh. 
Yeah. 

563
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:17,800
And you'll, you'll get written 
up and you'll get fired. 

564
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,100
If you don't pay your credit 
card obviously because it's your

565
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:24,300
duty to pay your credit card 
now, The trade-off is you put 

566
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,000
your travel voucher in. 
You get your travel voucher paid

567
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,100
and you pay your credit card 
easy. 

568
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:35,700
Well unless you are budgeting to
randomly just spend an extra 15 

569
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:40,400
grand over a month or so which 
most people don't plan on and 

570
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800
you can make it work, it's 
miserable but you can make it 

571
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200
work and it just overnight. 
I'm like, okay I'm not getting 

572
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,300
paid, I still have to work, 
which I understand where public 

573
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:55,000
servants and we're providing a 
National Security role and I get

574
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000
that totally fine. 
Then I still have to pay the 

575
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,300
credit card that I keep racking 
up because we're traveling 

576
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,900
still, because you're telling me
to travel and then I have to, I 

577
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:10,700
have to pay it hoping that the 
government comes back open and 

578
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:14,300
pays our card. 
So that was also a hmm. 

579
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,600
Maybe this isn't as stable as I 
thought it was. 

580
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,200
It's interesting. 
You got a you got a very strong 

581
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,600
head nod from producer fill in 
the background because No, 15 

582
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,400
years of doing that. 
And a lot of what Phil was doing

583
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,600
was was surveillance work where 
we had the same kind of Ops 

584
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,400
Tempo and travel very 
frequently, where they were 

585
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,700
putting us on the road, not 
common for a lot of law 

586
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:35,200
enforcement. 
In fact, most federal law 

587
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,900
enforcement doesn't do that, but
surveillance teams do and 

588
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:40,700
obviously fams are doing that 
full-time. 

589
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,200
It's very interesting. 
It's I hadn't even thought of 

590
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,400
that angle of it, but you're 
right. 

591
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,700
It is, I remember the sequester 
in 21 of the 2018 end of 2018 

592
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:52,900
and everybody was complaining 
about whether they were going to

593
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:54,100
miss. 
Mortgage payment, and we only 

594
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,700
miss one paycheck and I thought 
that was hilarious, only because

595
00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:00,100
it's like, what did what a 
dangerous situation to put your 

596
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,700
National Security folks in, 
they've got a top secret 

597
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,900
clearance. 
They've got the SE, I read ends,

598
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:06,800
and they are one mortgage 
payment away. 

599
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Their one paycheck away from 
being defaulting on a home. 

600
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,900
That's care. 
That's crazy, Insanity, absolute

601
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,800
insanity. 
But that it goes into the just 

602
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,300
overall. 
How DC runs and it is insanity. 

603
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Yeah, it is, they don't care at 
all. 

604
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,400
I want to read something and I'm
going to Pivot into Accompany 

605
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,400
because I'm fascinated by that 
and actually I'm fascinated 

606
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,600
about all the aspects of it. 
There's so much of it. 

607
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,000
It's come on with an active 
shooter in Texas, over the 

608
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,200
weekend with the the Neely 
situation, and people stepping 

609
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,900
in and have it to be their own 
protectors. 

610
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,700
I just want your take on this. 
We got an email that I did a 

611
00:30:38,708 --> 00:30:40,500
whole Twitter space on. 
We had about 300 people on a 

612
00:30:40,508 --> 00:30:43,600
Friday night, listen to this and
this is an email from Oscar 

613
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Hernandez who's an a sack out of
the Atlanta field office with 

614
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,500
the fams. 
So focuses on Twitter feel can 

615
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,000
bring this up for us and it just
says all we've received an 

616
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,100
update from the ACC which is the
joint coordination Center. 

617
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:57,100
Is that sound right? 
Yeah, I think so. 

618
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,500
Sounds right to me that all 
field offices are going to be 

619
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,500
increased their deployment of 
personnel with wave number 13 

620
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:04,500
deployment dates. 
Have this, it's a pay period. 

621
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,600
The Atlanta field office going 
to send 17 fans per wave. 

622
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,800
That means there's going to be a
nationwide 175. 

623
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,500
Fans are going to be sent plus 
seven, senior fans, which are 

624
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,700
the supervisors. 
I guess a total of 182 law 

625
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,100
enforcement fans Personnel. 
It's going to be 26 people per 

626
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,900
wave being sent down from these 
offices. 

627
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,200
Has to go down to the Border. 
You think that fans are 

628
00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,300
well-suited going to the Texas 
border? 

629
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:30,300
Going to the Arizona border to 
process? 

630
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,600
Migrants? 
Is that a skillset? 

631
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,800
You think they're trading at the
fans Academy's? 

632
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,500
Know I'll say the Phantom's are 
highly trained and very flexible

633
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:41,600
in their, their ability to think
on their feet because they have 

634
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,900
the you operate with almost no 
direct Supervision in the sense 

635
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:48,400
of there's not somebody over 
your shoulder constantly telling

636
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600
you what to do just like, guys, 
when you're doing Intel or 

637
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,700
surveillance packages. 
You have to problem solve in the

638
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,700
field and there's no Daddy you 
can call and be like, hey, I 

639
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,700
have a problem. 
Can you solve it for me? 

640
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:02,500
They're like, I don't even know 
where you are. 

641
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:06,700
So the Air. 
Marshals could I like to do it? 

642
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,500
That's true. 
They don't know where to look 

643
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:11,500
like, I'm in West Virginia. 
What are you got there? 

644
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,100
Like, yeah, it like that. 
I remember calling my 

645
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,400
supervisor. 
I'm like, hey, we've got a 

646
00:32:15,408 --> 00:32:16,000
problem. 
Blah blah. 

647
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,800
He's like, okay, what country 
are you doing? 

648
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,900
I'm like, Exactly got it. 
Exactly. 

649
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:26,200
But Air Marshals where they do 
really well is shooting and 

650
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,300
behavioral detection. 
Really good. 

651
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:34,000
Obviously staying awake is a 
phenomenal. 

652
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,700
Let it's a skill and being able 
to maintain Focus over long 

653
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,500
periods of time. 
It is a scale for sure but yeah,

654
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,800
but send him down to the 
southern border to process 

655
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,100
illegals. 
Entering the country doesn't 

656
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:48,900
make any sense. 
Now, if you were saying, Saying 

657
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,400
hey, go down there and we have 
we want you guys to be the 

658
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400
almost like the first phase of 
Behavioral detection to say. 

659
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,100
We think this person's story is 
BS, like go chat with them 

660
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,500
because you see enough people 
where you start picking up the 

661
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:08,300
indicators of deception and 
deviations from Baseline 

662
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:12,300
Behavior so that would be a more
appropriate use case. 

663
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,300
Like we would do, I personally 
did stuff for the United Nations

664
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,200
General Assembly. 
Looking for suicide, bombers In 

665
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,500
Crowd. 
Because behavioral detection 

666
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,700
that makes sense but sitting 
them down to a processing is 

667
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,300
also like a like a side benefit 
that you can see over the whole 

668
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,000
crowd. 
Like yeah that's one of your 

669
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,400
unique special skills. 
Pick me because I'm a giraffe. 

670
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,300
It's true. 
Yeah going down there because 

671
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,900
I've got buddies and I won't say
any of their names but I've got 

672
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,900
buddies down there right now 
that have done multiple 

673
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,600
rotations on the border and 
they've some of them initially 

674
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000
volunteered for it because 
they're like okay hey this is 

675
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,500
the mission like I'm a patriot 
like I'm a public servant this 

676
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:50,000
This is my job. 
We're going to protect the 

677
00:33:50,008 --> 00:33:51,300
country. 
They get down there and they're 

678
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,400
like, we're not protecting the 
country. 

679
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,800
We're just letting this stuff 
through, that's where the 

680
00:33:56,808 --> 00:33:59,500
disenfranchisement. 
And also the disrespect, just 

681
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,400
complete abuse of resources is 
happening right now and they 

682
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,300
don't have law enforcement 
authorities on the border is, 

683
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:08,100
what I was told is that is that 
your understanding as well as in

684
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,100
they can't, they might be able 
to carry a gun, but they can't 

685
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,699
actually go and enforce federal 
law in a broad spectrum. 

686
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,800
Yeah, well every law enforcement
agency has their narrow 

687
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000
jurisdiction. 
Ours is really good on 

688
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,800
Intermodal Transportation, Tokyo
convention, I say ours is in my 

689
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,900
previous job, of course, but the
Border Protection enforcement. 

690
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:34,699
I mean, it's, you would almost 
have to put them in a situation 

691
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:38,400
to for deadly force to happen, 
which they could use deadly 

692
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,699
force, but you'd have to force 
them into a situation where they

693
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:44,100
would use it and then they'd be 
authorized to use it. 

694
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,400
But again, That doesn't seem 
like a good use of the 

695
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,100
resources. 
If you will, for a agency that 

696
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,699
costs almost a billion dollars a
year to run. 

697
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,800
Yeah, one-tenth of what the FBI 
costs and you're talking about 

698
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,300
just they have one really 
specific, specialized skill set 

699
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,400
that they own and crafts. 
And then we're not going to use 

700
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,900
the tool for what it's for. 
I always told people that having

701
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,500
the FBI, the way it was right 
now because it's an Intel agency

702
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:08,500
that has a, you know, a law 
enforcement capability. 

703
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,800
It's like taking a screwdriver 
and Welding it on the end of a 

704
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,900
hammer. 
And then you've got this really 

705
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:16,300
bulky awkward, you know, /. 
But you've got a hammer that 

706
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:18,100
can't get close to a lot of 
stuff, too, because it's got the

707
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,800
screwdriver. 
On the end of the balance is all

708
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,500
off and its proximity. 
So you just have a tool that 

709
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,500
doesn't work. 
It does two things poorly. 

710
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:25,900
Instead of one thing really 
well. 

711
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,500
And then you've taken this home 
to knife and you're like, you 

712
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:29,400
know what, that be really good 
for. 

713
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,300
Let's just unscrew all these 
light plates, we're going to 

714
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,200
take all the face plates off. 
All my my electrical outlets 

715
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,800
with this freaking sharpest 
knife. 

716
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Yeah, it's um it's it's 
disrespectful. 

717
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Not only to the talent that is 
recruited in the fams but also 

718
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
to the American taxpayer, 
because they deserve more than 

719
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,600
that and they have an 
expectation, right of what that 

720
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
what that bruise doing? 
They should they should have an 

721
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,900
expectation. 
It's their money. 

722
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:57,500
Sending these sending these guys
into training to get them 

723
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,900
trained better than anybody else
specifically with a pistol to 

724
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:04,000
operate in an undercover 
capacity, internationally at a 

725
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,500
moment's notice deploy to meet 
threats. 

726
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,900
Within that Intermodal 
Transportation Network, that is 

727
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,200
that's what the deal is. 
They're like okay, we'll fun 

728
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,000
this, but just throw them down 
on the southern border as a ride

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,300
along or to help warm up 
sandwiches and a processing 

730
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,500
facility is insanity. 
Truly truly, it is folks. 

731
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:29,200
If you want more hot takes on 
this we did an entire Twitter 

732
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,600
space that went on for at least 
three hours, maybe more with 

733
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,100
Sony lobosco. 
So you can listen to more of 

734
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,400
that stuff. 
I want to Pivot to something. 

735
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,300
I think that Is actually more 
broadly interesting to people at

736
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,200
this point. 
Let's talk about Archway. 

737
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Let's talk about how you decided
to get into that space. 

738
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,300
Let's talk about some of the 
work that you guys do, and then 

739
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,200
we may just free form on some of
these these current event topics

740
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,100
because this is your business 
now, and you know, unfortunately

741
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:54,700
business is full of 
opportunities. 

742
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:58,300
It sounds like. 
Yeah, it's um, well, Archway 

743
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,200
started actually. 
I was in I'll never forget it as

744
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,000
in Istanbul and middle of the 
night. 

745
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,600
My phone rang picked up the 
phone had multiple, as you guys 

746
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,100
probably. 
Bleep. 

747
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:08,700
Multiple phones picked up the 
phone. 

748
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:11,100
That was ringing. 
I'm like yeah. 

749
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,800
Hello again traveling as much as
we did. 

750
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,500
No idea what's going on. 
Somebody's talking about a bomb 

751
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:22,300
I'm like okay was there a 
bombing at Istanbul airport or 

752
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:29,500
something or whatever and look 
Who do we freeze? 

753
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,900
Yeah, bear with us. 
One second folks. 

754
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,400
I think you guys froze but yeah,
we did. 

755
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:42,500
All right, so I got bombing and 
then you were saying You know, 

756
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:46,700
let me check one second. 
Try that one more time. 

757
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:52,000
So how our choice started was I 
was in Istanbul. 

758
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,100
I don't know how much you guys 
heard. 

759
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:54,900
But yeah, I remember that. 
There was a bombing on a phone 

760
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:56,500
and then it kind of disappeared 
out on us. 

761
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:01,000
Okay, so I looked at my phone it
was my mother was my private 

762
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,900
phone. 
Oh yeah, bomb didn't explode. 

763
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,500
She was at church. 
So for the Catholics in the in 

764
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:11,300
the audience who are aware of, 
there's a thing called adoration

765
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:15,500
so Catholics, pray at church 24 
hours a day, 7 days, a week. 

766
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:20,100
365. 
So she was in an she was 

767
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:23,900
fulfilling an adoration slot and
a police officer came into the 

768
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:26,900
Adoration chapel and said, hey I
need you to leave right now. 

769
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:30,900
There we found a bomb against 
one of the doors in this small 

770
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,200
little town in Minnesota and 
she's like, what? 

771
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:38,900
This is, a town of like sub. 
4,000 people not big at all. 

772
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:41,900
So, she called me. 
She's like, the police officer 

773
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:45,200
had me look around my car to see
if anything was tampered or 

774
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:47,800
Vicious. 
And then when I said, wasn't, he

775
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,500
said getting your car, get out 
of here and they got rid of the 

776
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:56,000
bomb, however, that happened. 
But at that point I'm like, and 

777
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,500
this is already, I'm hitting 
that disenfranchisement with my 

778
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:04,000
current Mission set being in 
Istanbul for the seventh time 

779
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,300
that month or whatever it was. 
And I'm like, wow. 

780
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,900
So if a church with a school 
attached, I mean, these people 

781
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,100
have no idea how to handle this 
and Air. 

782
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,400
Marshals, believe it or not. 
Some of our, a lot of our 

783
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,700
training is explosives because 
of the concern of bringing a 

784
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,100
bomb on an aircraft like, well, 
maybe I should start a company 

785
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:30,000
to help train schools and 
churches on how just reasonable 

786
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,600
mitigation, for instance, like 
this because I don't think any 

787
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,500
of them are ready and this was 
already during a time where we 

788
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:37,900
saw. 
Oh, increased violence in 

789
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,900
faith-based or houses of worship
in the u.s. 

790
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,700
It was right around that time 
where those attacks started 

791
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:46,500
skyrocketing. 
So that all those pieces 

792
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,600
together kind of brought me to 
the point of like, yeah, you 

793
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,800
know, I'm done. 
Maybe I'll look at something 

794
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,800
else and transition Out. 
Start our train fast forward and

795
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,500
that's what we did. 
Now, you mentioned to me, you 

796
00:39:58,508 --> 00:40:00,700
got three buckets of business, 
maybe tell people what those 

797
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:02,900
three look like. 
And then sort of the diversity 

798
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,700
of training you go through that,
which it's got to be, you know, 

799
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:08,100
depending on the the Training. 
You're going to get a very, very

800
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,000
different class. 
I have to imagine very much. 

801
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,500
So the so the three arches of 
Archway or the three buckets of 

802
00:40:14,508 --> 00:40:18,100
our business is law enforcement,
training State, local and 

803
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,800
federal law enforcement. 
And most of that training is 

804
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,500
based on weapons development, 
SWAT team, training Firearms, 

805
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,600
instructor development or solo 
active or solo officer responds 

806
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,400
to active shooter and some 
vehicle courses and stuff like 

807
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,000
that. 
Then we have our middle bucket 

808
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,700
which is our corporate clients 
and That's more workplace 

809
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,800
violence mitigation crime. 
Prevention through environmental

810
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,200
design design, helping to like 
hardened their facilities while 

811
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,400
not turning it into a prison 
looking facility. 

812
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:52,100
And then the last Arch way or 
the bucket is faith-based and 

813
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:54,600
that's a lot. 
Honestly a lot more of a charity

814
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,900
that we do now just because the 
finances are never there and we 

815
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:59,800
just try to help them as much as
we can. 

816
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:04,300
Now checks out let's let's talk 
about a little bit. 

817
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:05,700
Some of the current events that 
are out there. 

818
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,400
You've got experience, And 
people everyone from folks, who 

819
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,600
carry gun professionally to 
folks who probably wake up in 

820
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,900
the morning and, you know, would
be in what we call it Gary 

821
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,800
Cooper's, you know, white color 
mode. 

822
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,000
You know, the multiple colors. 
Do, you know the colors off the 

823
00:41:19,008 --> 00:41:20,500
top of your head or those 
something you can speak to a 

824
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:21,800
little bit and kind of explain 
to people? 

825
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,700
Yeah, and I'll probably butcher 
some of them. 

826
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,300
But code, black is where you 
just shut down. 

827
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,900
You got sensory overload, your 
your Rolodex hasn't really 

828
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:35,800
filled in on what to do in that 
specific specific situation. 

829
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,400
That's where people are. 
In shock and they just they're 

830
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,900
not responding white. 
I believe is something to the 

831
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,000
effect of you basically think 
the world is a bunch of unicorns

832
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,200
and everything's fine around 
you. 

833
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:48,600
Yes. 
Moms Demand Action. 

834
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,400
Maybe yeah. 
Everywhere between there. 

835
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,200
I think there's a condition like
yellow and red yellow. 

836
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,100
Orange and red. 
Exactly. 

837
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:56,700
Right. 
Yeah. 

838
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,900
So we're it's a sliding scale 
between those two and the goal 

839
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:05,000
is from my understanding is 
trying not to stay in that read 

840
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
all the time because honestly 
it's Not sustainable and nobody 

841
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400
walks around exactly like 
burnout range. 

842
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Yeah. 
You're never going to be able to

843
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,200
sustain. 
The key is just pick up on 

844
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,900
indicators or really focus on 
what you need to focus on and 

845
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,000
kind of relax on mostly 
everything else. 

846
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,400
We both probably have buddies 
who live in the red and they're 

847
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,300
really hard to be around for too
long. 

848
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200
It's like there's not, this 
isn't a bond flick. 

849
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,000
Ninjas are not coming from the 
ceiling panels. 

850
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,100
Yeah. 
Any second of the day, like it 

851
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:39,500
violence, once you've seen 
enough violence, you kind of 

852
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:43,200
start seeing the indicators of 
who you have to pay attention to

853
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,900
and what indicators you need to 
be aware of. 

854
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:51,000
And then start elevating your 
own response without any risk of

855
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,300
giving away your training for 
free. 

856
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,600
Because it takes hours, and 
hours, and days and days to just

857
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,800
even get the Baseline. 
All of these things, but maybe 

858
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,800
kind of tell people, some of the
stuff that you're teaching, the 

859
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,400
kind of Behavioral techniques, 
you're having people observe on.

860
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,700
I'm more than happy to kind of 
pump a business that does this. 

861
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:09,000
Because so many people are 
looking around going, you know, 

862
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,800
what is my responsibility in the
world? 

863
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,700
They often think that it's the 
police are going to come and 

864
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,200
save them, and I think we all 
kind of are realizing, that's 

865
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,500
not the case. 
It doesn't matter whether you're

866
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,500
looking at the Covenant School, 
you know, the police who showed 

867
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,700
up there and we could do it kind
of a quick talk on that too. 

868
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:23,400
But, you know, excellent 
operators. 

869
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,500
Who just had the right tools? 
The right tactics and nailed it.

870
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,800
And yet you still can't beat the
bad guy. 

871
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,500
That's already decided to come 
and do something. 

872
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,300
So, what kind of things are you 
looking at? 

873
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
That people can be aware of even
if they're unarmed, you know, 

874
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,500
like your average mom. 
Your average person who's a 

875
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,700
retiree, who's not going out 
there, trying to, you know, go 

876
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:43,200
to CrossFit Gyms and carry a 
gun, every single second of the 

877
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,900
day, which advocate for maybe 
not the CrossFit, but the gun 

878
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:47,300
part. 
Yeah. 

879
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:52,200
So the start with, and I was on,
I don't know if Michele Tafoya 

880
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,100
is podcast and it was after an 
active shooter. 

881
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:59,300
And she's Like asked a similar 
question and my response was 

882
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:04,300
start with the concept of evil 
is real and if you don't believe

883
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:08,000
that, nothing I say matters 
after this, if you don't believe

884
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,900
that evil is real, I can't help 
you because what happened in 

885
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:15,100
Texas or what happened at 
covenant, or what happened at 

886
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:19,600
Parkland that is pure evil and 
to fail to acknowledge that 

887
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,200
you're setting yourself up for 
failure. 

888
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,500
So if you get if you acknowledge
that evil is real now we can 

889
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,600
have a conversation. 
Then it's acknowledge that most 

890
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,000
people act similarly in a 
similar way in a similar 

891
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,800
situation and I know that's kind
of vague but hear me out if you 

892
00:44:35,808 --> 00:44:39,600
think of like a coffee shop or a
restaurant that you normally go 

893
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,800
to frequently, there's a 
baseline Behavior. 

894
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,800
That's pretty stereotypical. 
If you will for that specific 

895
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,200
coffee shop or restaurant, and 
we I use the air marshal analogy

896
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,500
this way. 
Have you ever flown to Vegas? 

897
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,100
And I know the answer was you 
Yes. 

898
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,100
But Bill also. 
Yep. 

899
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,500
Yep. 
So everybody's flown to Vegas. 

900
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,200
Now, think about kind of 
visualize. 

901
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,900
I'm big on visualization. 
Put yourself on that flight from

902
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:10,800
wherever you left from to Vegas.
What would you describe as the 

903
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,200
baseline or the normal kind of 
average behavior of most of the 

904
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,700
people on that flight? 
I feel like there's probably, 

905
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:19,100
you know, three buckets of 
people. 

906
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,400
There's people that are going 
home. 

907
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,800
So that's okay. 
There's probably a group of 

908
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,000
people that are really excited 
about going to Vegas. 

909
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,400
They look like the guys from 
swingers. 

910
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,500
Beginning of the drive to Vegas,
right? 

911
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,100
And then then maybe you've got 
someone in between who's got 

912
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:33,000
some business and they're just a
grown-up and they're going to 

913
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,700
Vegas, but it's not like a 
thrill, but I think those are 

914
00:45:34,707 --> 00:45:36,800
kind of your three categories 
off the top of my head. 

915
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,500
Perfect spot on. 
Now, remember the last time you 

916
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:46,600
left Vegas, what's the average 
Behavior? 

917
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,200
Generally, speaking of, most, of
the people leaving Vegas going 

918
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600
anywhere. 
Yeah, they're either dejected 

919
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,000
because they lost all their 
money, right? 

920
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,900
Or their psyche, because they 
just got married to some 

921
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,200
strippers. 
Something like there's kind of 

922
00:45:58,207 --> 00:46:01,800
like a very small percentage of 
those, you don't see a whole lot

923
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,000
of like super positive energy. 
Shawna on a Vegas outbound 

924
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
flight. 
So part of part of our training 

925
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,600
was blend in with whatever the 
dress vire environment, whatever

926
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,200
is normal on that leg act that 
way. 

927
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,400
So if people are clapping clap, 
if people are just sitting 

928
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,300
there, Pecking away at the 
screen in front of them, be that

929
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:27,700
person. 
So the concept is acknowledge 

930
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:31,600
that most people, it's actually 
emergent Norm Theory. 

931
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,900
So if you want to get a little 
nerdy with me for a second, 

932
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,500
there's researchers I believe 
it's Killian and somebody else 

933
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:40,500
but emergent Norm Theory and I 
might be butchering that but 

934
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
it's the concept that most 
people will change their 

935
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,000
behavior to fit in with a crowd 
because of the instinctual need 

936
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
to feel connected with those 
around us. 

937
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,600
However, when you're there for a
different purpose, You will act 

938
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,900
differently. 
And when we talk about a suicide

939
00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:00,300
bomber, I do this with our 
Aviation Security. 

940
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,300
Clients everybody in the room 
and not ask you today. 

941
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,300
If you knew absolutely knew 
today was the last day of your 

942
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:11,400
life, would you act differently 
today than you acted yesterday? 

943
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,200
Clearly. 
Absolutely Uninvited. 

944
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,800
The certainty of your own 
mortality will change your 

945
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,900
behavior because there is no 
thought process of, there's a 

946
00:47:21,908 --> 00:47:24,600
tomorrow. 
If you look at when we're 

947
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,200
looking for specifically, 
Aviation or sports and 

948
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,700
entertainment for suicide, 
bombers like Ariana Grande 

949
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:35,300
bombing look for behavior that 
is outside, the Baseline that 

950
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:39,800
bleeds indicators because they 
know, deep down inside that 

951
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,000
today is the last day of their 
life, they will act differently 

952
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,700
than everyone. 
Nell surround them. 

953
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:48,600
So we start with behavior 
transcending behavior from what 

954
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,700
they look like what they're 
dressed, like everything else 

955
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,700
because that all changes, but 
the behavior, the indicators 

956
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:55,200
are. 
Ultimately what matters? 

957
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,300
Because behaviors what presses? 
The trigger uses a knife or 

958
00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:59,500
presses? 
The Detonator. 

959
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:02,600
So one of the things that I 
remember doing surveillance that

960
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,800
you have to really help new 
guys, new gals that are in the 

961
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,400
business, overcome is the sort 
of guilty knowledge that you're 

962
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,600
there to watch people. 
And I got to imagine it works on

963
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,500
the opposite way to Bad guys. 
But like for example, if I'm 

964
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:17,900
trying to spot you and I see you
in an airport. 

965
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,100
If I were to naturally, make eye
contact with you, you're a tall 

966
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,300
guy, you stick out of the crowd.
Got a big beard and long hair so

967
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,500
I go like oh that's that's like 
a tall guy with you know, he 

968
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:27,400
looks like one of my old bosses.
He looks like one of the dudes I

969
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,000
used to work with and I, and if 
I make eye contact with you, I 

970
00:48:30,008 --> 00:48:32,000
would either have a head nod or 
it would be, a nothing would be 

971
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,200
a neutral. 
We would just have an eye 

972
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,700
contact for a moment and leave 
when I see people that are 

973
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:37,900
deliberately trying to avoid eye
contact. 

974
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,100
That's weird. 
Right? 

975
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:40,900
Like that's an indicator. 
Like, why are they trying to do 

976
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,000
that? 
And it's because they have the 

977
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,600
knowledge that they're trying to
watch me and When you watch new 

978
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,100
guys, do surveillance, they're 
never trying to make eye contact

979
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:48,500
with the subject. 
They don't want to have a 

980
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,200
pleasantry. 
They don't want to have that 

981
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,400
contact and you gotta break 
people of it. 

982
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,600
There's nothing more normal than
walking up and seeing the 

983
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,000
subject that you're surveilling 
and going. 

984
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,900
Hey, how's it going? 
The guy goes, oh, you know, 

985
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:00,800
crappy or whatever and you go 
like yeah. 

986
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,000
Well, you know, if this weather 
would make anybody mad or 

987
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,300
something that's just a 
throwaway and then they forget 

988
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,200
you. 
But if you go up there and they 

989
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,800
go, how's it going? 
And you go look great. 

990
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,700
You know just fine and then you 
walked off and you look really 

991
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:12,300
weird. 
I'm not a cop. 

992
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,000
I'm not a cop. 
That's exactly right. 

993
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,600
Because people freeze in that 
thing, because they're not 

994
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,100
prepared for a reasonable 
interaction with normal people, 

995
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,800
so that the change in that 
Baseline is very pronounced and 

996
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,100
then that person's like that was
weird. 

997
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,000
And now they're hooked up. 
Now they're looking around for 

998
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,100
what other weird things may 
happen and nothing weird may 

999
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,900
happen again, but now you've set
them at Ed, you know, on an 

1000
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:34,300
edge. 
Yeah. 

1001
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:38,000
So we start with a lot of just 
like you guys the behavioral 

1002
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,700
side I think it's an 
underappreciated skill set that 

1003
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:44,500
can be developed. 
So even on our in 20:19 I 

1004
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,600
co-founded a tech startup where 
we use Virtual Reality, 

1005
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,200
augmented reality to speed up 
training and ultimately it comes

1006
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,100
down to research proves that 
about an hour and a headset is 

1007
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,900
equivalent to 10 hours in a 
classroom which is a phenomenal 

1008
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:02,800
Roi on training time for sure. 
So we put our one of our first 

1009
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,900
products was actually an active 
shooter program for O'Hare and 

1010
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:08,900
Midway Airport systems that we 
launched in 2022. 

1011
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:12,600
And now this year, we're 
launching a behavioral detection

1012
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,500
situational, awareness level. 
And an IED intro to explosives 

1013
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:23,000
and blast mitigation, all Envy 
are so taking the knowledge of 

1014
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,600
guys, like you guys like us all 
of our Network, putting it into 

1015
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,700
a headset and trying to get 
them, the same amount of 

1016
00:50:28,707 --> 00:50:30,600
training in a fraction of the 
time. 

1017
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:35,400
Yeah, it's it's kind of 
interesting. 

1018
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,500
So how does a regular person? 
So we've already talked about 

1019
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:39,200
you're going to have to accept 
that there's evil in the world. 

1020
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,500
I agree with you, 100%, if you 
don't understand that, there's 

1021
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,700
some evil out there, you've 
obviously never experienced it. 

1022
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,100
Even if you can't theorize that,
then we're going to have some 

1023
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,300
real problems for the base 
understanding of you. 

1024
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:50,000
And I are not looking at the 
same world, right? 

1025
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,600
So that's pretty easy. 
And then, once they start kind 

1026
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,500
of looking for these behavioral 
Departures, what are some of the

1027
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:57,600
things that people can kind of 
look at and go? 

1028
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,200
You know, we're all going to see
ghosts in that space and and 

1029
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,400
surveillance guys are the best 
at it. 

1030
00:51:02,408 --> 00:51:04,100
Like every surveillance guy 
thinks they have a surveillance 

1031
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:06,500
team on them at some point in 
time and so you can actually 

1032
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,100
lock up. 
Why, why would someone be 

1033
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:10,300
following you? 
Which I have that reason now 

1034
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,000
which is fun. 
And, and then when you can 

1035
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,300
actually say like this, The 
reasons, you know, not just that

1036
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,000
identify this person. 
But here's some concrete 

1037
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,100
behaviors that are so far 
outside the deviation of normal.

1038
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,300
When I was at El Paso's airport 
the other day. 

1039
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:24,800
I landed I slipped the guys I 
thought were surveilling me. 

1040
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:26,800
I watched them. 
Go down to baggage claim and 15 

1041
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,800
minutes later they came back 
Upstream towards the security 

1042
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,600
area looking for me frantically,
which is hilarious. 

1043
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,900
But at the same time like that 
knocks that home for me. 

1044
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,000
It's like, I might be being 
followed know, I'm being 

1045
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
followed knows the two dudes 
that I already id'd doing it. 

1046
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,700
That's a different animal, so, 
yeah. 

1047
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:42,800
How do you, how do you get from 
the, the, you know, I'm not 

1048
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,300
going to see ghosts and And of 
living without just being in the

1049
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,400
red like some of our buddies, 
who are basically, like I said 

1050
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,600
living in a bond flick. 
Yeah. 

1051
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,900
So the the part of it comes with
a psychological preparedness of 

1052
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:58,700
what are you willing to take 
responsibility for in your own 

1053
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:00,200
life? 
Like, I'm not worried about a 

1054
00:52:00,207 --> 00:52:03,700
new capping right now here 
because if it does the 

1055
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:06,700
probability is I'm within the 
blast radius of the Twin Cities 

1056
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:10,700
metro and if it happens there 
I'm gonna die quickly or of 

1057
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,500
radiation and a week or so. 
So I'm not really worried about 

1058
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,500
that. 
Because that's outside of the 

1059
00:52:15,508 --> 00:52:19,300
scope of my control. 
Now, I'm inside my house and we 

1060
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:23,100
have layers of security that 
don't look like security because

1061
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:27,700
we Harden locks and windows and 
stuff like that security cameras

1062
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:31,500
that are hidden. 
So I'm not that stressed when 

1063
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,000
but at the same time, I have 
access to a firearm just 

1064
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:37,700
guessing you do right now of 
course. 

1065
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:42,300
And so I'm kind of analyzing 
what I'm going to take 

1066
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:45,400
responsibility for a teach. 
Each second of the day. 

1067
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,900
Now when I go out, I'm lucky 
enough to be married. 

1068
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,600
My wife is a Balor, I used to 
say dancer, but then people will

1069
00:52:52,607 --> 00:52:54,900
get the wrong idea. 
She's a ballerina, classically 

1070
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,300
trained. 
So she was in a show in Downtown

1071
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:00,900
Minneapolis last night and so if
she's like, oh, we're going to 

1072
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:03,100
have a cast after party 
afterwards. 

1073
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:05,200
I'm like, that's fine. 
I'm I'll be this over cab. 

1074
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,800
I'll drive. 
I'm not going to drink because 

1075
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:11,800
I'm not going down to a theater 
unarmed in Minneapolis because 

1076
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,800
I'm going to take responsibility
for. 

1077
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,400
Myself and, obviously, her 
protection while I'm there. 

1078
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,200
So, they're there for, when I 
come out, you do your quick, 

1079
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,600
little casual scan of just, 
what's around me? 

1080
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Okay, homeless guy across the 
street fair enough, there's some

1081
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,800
people sitting out at a little 
restaurant. 

1082
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,300
Having a drink, they're pretty 
low on my radar and then cars 

1083
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,500
driving by no abnormal pattern, 
we're good. 

1084
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:40,300
So then taking that that quick 
scan of your life and realizing 

1085
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:44,400
you are not in a Bond film first
and that you are not Not in a 

1086
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,100
unicorn Fairyland either so kind
of bridge it and then control 

1087
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,400
the classic saying, is control 
the controllables. 

1088
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:55,000
Again, I can't stop. 
If I can't help it. 

1089
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,600
If there's a vehicle that is an 
IED, that was parked their RV by

1090
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,000
AB that was parked there, two 
days in advance in front of the 

1091
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,300
theater. 
Like, that's a good chance. 

1092
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,600
That's outside my skill set, 
unless I happen to see some 

1093
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,200
indicators based on my training 
and experience. 

1094
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,500
So don't stress about the stuff 
you can't control. 

1095
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,500
Knowledge, what you can control?
What's inside your scope and 

1096
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:21,100
then work through that, to hone 
your, either your Hardware, or 

1097
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,700
your firmware to better. 
Mitigate what do you, what do 

1098
00:54:25,707 --> 00:54:27,500
you prioritize? 
Because everybody's only got X 

1099
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:28,800
number of hours in the day, 
right? 

1100
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,000
Not everybody is going to be 
able to sit and spend all their 

1101
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,800
time like working up to operator
status as a shooter operator 

1102
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,800
status as a Brazilian jiu-jitsu 
technician. 

1103
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,500
You know not everybody's going 
to have all the skills all the 

1104
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:40,300
time. 
So if you were going to put like

1105
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:43,200
this is the most important thing
you should do for your personal 

1106
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,900
protection. 
So where do you start and then 

1107
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:47,200
maybe like the two runners-up if
that? 

1108
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,100
Yeah, so I would say the first 
the biggest skill set in this is

1109
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:55,100
not what people love to hear on 
Instagram but the biggest skill 

1110
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:57,200
set start with situational 
avoidance. 

1111
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:00,800
So if you know that your skill 
set is not there and that you're

1112
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,800
not comfortable competent or 
physically fit or blah, blah, 

1113
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,400
blah, situational avoidance from
a legal aspect is better, 

1114
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,800
anyway? 
Just avoid stupid situations if 

1115
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,200
you feel the situation, Oceans 
getting stupid did email out of 

1116
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,700
there and just be done with it. 
So I'd start with that, then 

1117
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:23,300
going into that reasonable 
defense. 

1118
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:28,100
Now, I always you actually, can 
I ask question you have the FBI 

1119
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,500
so when you were in the academy 
you had different people from 

1120
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:36,600
different backgrounds in unarmed
or DM defensive measures or 

1121
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,500
recall defensive tactics but 
same idea. 

1122
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,600
Yep, yeah, yeah, defensive 
tactics. 

1123
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:46,800
So the disparity of force like 
Like I'm 250 pounds and almost 

1124
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,000
65 and I've thought for a bit 
and I'm comfortable fighting. 

1125
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:58,300
If you put me up against like my
sister, very lover death, mother

1126
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:01,900
of five. 
I mean super short maybe weighs 

1127
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:06,600
like nothing on a good day. 
She will never beat me right 

1128
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,200
ever. 
No matter how much you could 

1129
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,900
train with, with every UFC 
fighter in the world, for the 

1130
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,500
rest of her life and she will 
never be Right? 

1131
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:19,200
I mean outside of holy, no, see 
and taking away my ability to 

1132
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,000
see or breathe? 
Which now she has a good chance 

1133
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,500
of beating me. 
So acknowledge what your 

1134
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:27,400
strengths and weaknesses are. 
And then find ways of mitigating

1135
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,800
that through whether its 
technology, or or weapon 

1136
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,000
platforms, I'm a huge fan of 
Defense Techo. 

1137
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,900
See if you want to just break 
distance and not use deadly 

1138
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:42,100
force if you can avoid it, it's 
always a always a good good 

1139
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:44,900
decision in the civilian side. 
To avoid deadly force. 

1140
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:46,300
If at all possible. 
Yeah. 

1141
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:48,700
That's what your criminal tell 
you your criminal liability is 

1142
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:50,900
nasty criminal and civil 
liability. 

1143
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:53,300
Because remember, even if you 
win the criminal, you still have

1144
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:56,800
the Civil side which is that can
bankrupt you also. 

1145
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:00,600
So you're not going to go to 
jail if you win this the 

1146
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,100
criminal but you might lose 
everything if you lose the 

1147
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:06,000
Sybil. 
So the reasonableness of force, 

1148
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,900
anytime I can get away. 
I love OC. 

1149
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,100
Great. 
Great tool. 

1150
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,800
Solid flashlight has even 
carrying one at the theater with

1151
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,100
me last night because You get 
approached by just that low 

1152
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:21,200
level idiot Criminal on the 
street if I can avoid using 

1153
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:24,700
actual physical violence against
him, if we have to have an 

1154
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:28,500
encounter, I'd prefer that and a
great flash to the face, take 

1155
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,100
away their eyesight for a second
and give them the opportunity to

1156
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:35,300
reevaluate their decisions in 
life, such a good way of saying 

1157
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:37,600
it. 
So there's a guy named DJ DJ 

1158
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,800
Shipley familiar with him. 
He runs a training. 

1159
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,500
Yep I don't know him personally 
but I know the name. 

1160
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:43,600
Sure. 
You kind of have some of the 

1161
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,000
same. 
I'm Vive is DJ and one of the 

1162
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,400
things that I really like that, 
I listen to him. 

1163
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,300
This is for folks who are not 
aware of Shipley, he's a former 

1164
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:52,800
SEAL Team Six operator, his 
story is actually 

1165
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,000
heart-wrenching and it's really 
incredible. 

1166
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,800
His dad was a seal to. 
I actually use to follow his 

1167
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,200
dad. 
Who does the he does the 

1168
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,600
investigations into fake seals 
and yes, so he's found a ton of 

1169
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,100
them. 
Yeah, Dan Shipley, interesting 

1170
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:05,900
guy to, you know, early social 
media adopter and was like 

1171
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:07,700
really pissy about Jews that 
were faking seal. 

1172
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:09,800
So I get that. 
But DJ Shipley says something 

1173
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,000
about, you know, the idea of 
carrying an extra magazine. 

1174
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,700
Now, when you're law 
enforcement, you got it. 

1175
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,000
An extra magazine because the 
possibility of getting have 

1176
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,800
having to actively engage in a 
pro active shooting situation 

1177
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,100
exists, although probably still 
pretty small. 

1178
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,700
We've seen it. 
Go really quickly and you need 

1179
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,400
it. 
But his take on not carrying an 

1180
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,500
extra magazine when he's 
carrying his everyday carry 

1181
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:29,700
pistol. 
Was something that changed my 

1182
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:32,400
thought process. 
And his thought was, if I'm 

1183
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,700
carrying an extra magazine, 
there's a possibility that I'm 

1184
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,500
getting into a shooting 
situation where I have to 

1185
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,100
reload, and if I've got a 
Reload, I probably should be 

1186
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,500
wearing body armor. 
If I got to wear body armor, I 

1187
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,400
probably should have a rifle and
some magazines for That, and if 

1188
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,600
I'm doing all those, what the 
hell am I doing there? 

1189
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,100
And so your situation avoid is, 
I'd never heard it said, just 

1190
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:52,900
that way, but it's 100% correct.
That if there's a possibility 

1191
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:55,700
that you need to upgrade your 
capabilities to deal with the 

1192
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,000
situation you're going on, you 
need to ask yourself why you're 

1193
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,300
going there. 
Are you getting paid? 

1194
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,600
You got to go. 
Get drink it. 

1195
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,400
Out of something nasty. 
There may be a place where you 

1196
00:59:02,408 --> 00:59:03,800
got to go, get your kid out of 
somewhere ugly. 

1197
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,100
And so, that's a real thing. 
But there's got to be a real 

1198
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:08,000
compelling reason for you to 
engage somewhere where you have 

1199
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,400
to carry more things. 
Yeah, so let's take the Riots of

1200
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,700
in Minneapolis. 
I was actually last night. 

1201
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:18,100
One of the other performers, her
husband was a former Minneapolis

1202
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:21,900
cop who was on the rooftop 
during the riots. 

1203
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,600
Trying to defend the third 
precinct from being burnt to the

1204
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,200
ground and obviously then 
getting burned up with it and 

1205
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,700
there was a point during those 
riots in the Twin Cities where 

1206
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,000
it's like, okay we're going to 
hunker down at home. 

1207
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,600
People are calling like a why 
are you going down there and 

1208
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:39,400
getting involved with the riots 
and taking them down? 

1209
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,500
And Are you out of your mind 
like right? 

1210
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:45,900
No, the battle space if you 
will. 

1211
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,800
So right? 
So you transition even let's do 

1212
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,800
it. 
Just to a current event. 

1213
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,300
So this guy Perry goes down into
the BLM rice. 

1214
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,700
But he's driving for Uber right.
Totally different agreed. 

1215
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,000
Maybe your take on that because 
I think people are interested in

1216
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:02,100
that everyone has an instinct 
what self-defense looks like and

1217
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,500
yet they're not professionals 
and they don't teach the number 

1218
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:06,200
of people that you do. 
They don't have the background 

1219
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,100
that guys like you. 
And I necessarily have, I'd love

1220
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,700
to hear your take on it and you 
Know the whys and why Nots? 

1221
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:13,500
Yeah. 
So to my knowledge, he was 

1222
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,300
actively working at for Uber at 
the time, like he was that is 

1223
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800
was up and he was taking rides. 
Correct. 

1224
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:22,700
That's my understanding of yep. 
Yep. 

1225
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:26,000
So now he is a reluctant 
participant because he is 

1226
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,500
physically at work. 
So to protect himself in a 

1227
01:00:29,508 --> 01:00:33,500
mobile office, a vehicle, which 
is his property still protected 

1228
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:37,300
under the Fourth Amendment. 
He has reasonable means of 

1229
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,000
privacy, right? 
But he also has a reason Means 

1230
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:46,400
of his own self-preservation. 
So if he, when people talk about

1231
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,800
going down into a situation that
doesn't directly affect you, 

1232
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,800
there's a different conversation
there but for this anytime when 

1233
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:59,100
somebody's at work, I generally 
unless some facts come out of 

1234
01:00:59,107 --> 01:01:01,800
left field. 
I generally give the benefit of 

1235
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:06,400
the doubt to the person who is 
working as the reasonable actor 

1236
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,100
in the equation. 
So when I heard that he was 

1237
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:12,700
working, Uber and that we all 
saw the video of his car was 

1238
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:14,300
surrounded. 
If I'm not mistaken or if I 

1239
01:01:14,308 --> 01:01:16,900
getting your facts wrong, please
correct me. 

1240
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,000
But I believe his vehicle was 
surrounded and then he was 

1241
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,900
approached by somebody with a 
rifle. 

1242
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,200
I'm not mistaken. 
I was carrying a slung AK-47 

1243
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:29,200
model. 
Yep. 

1244
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,100
Yep. 
And then, at some point, the 

1245
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:33,600
rifle came up like a mouse. 
Yeah. 

1246
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,800
Kind of a low ready, so they 
mentioned that, it wasn't 

1247
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:36,900
pointed at him. 
What you? 

1248
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:38,700
And I both know the difference, 
maybe you can talk to some of 

1249
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:40,400
that, you know. 
Hello ready. 

1250
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,000
How do you feel about that? 
Is that a threat to you? 

1251
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,700
If you have a gun in your 
looking at me the wrong way, 

1252
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,900
you're a threat to me, because 
we did a, there's a couple 

1253
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:52,200
videos on YouTube where I did a 
one second draw from The holster

1254
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,200
on a Target, that was 200 yards 
away. 

1255
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,600
And the concept is that actions 
faster than reaction. 

1256
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:01,400
If you have a weapon and you're 
looking at me, not like a. 

1257
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,300
Hey, what's up, man? 
Like, I might shoot you. 

1258
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,700
I know that I statistically have
roughly about a half a second to

1259
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:11,200
one second. 
Of your reaction to put around 

1260
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,500
on. 
That is not a lot of time. 

1261
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:15,900
I'm behind the power curve 
already, right? 

1262
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:18,200
Because you're already decided 
something and you're carrying a 

1263
01:02:18,207 --> 01:02:21,100
weapon system, correct. 
And you're carrying a weapon 

1264
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:25,500
system that far Oaks out seeds. 
My capability of my defensive 

1265
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:29,300
pistol that I have on me, so the
disparity of force but also, the

1266
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:31,800
concept of I've carried a 
weapon. 

1267
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:35,800
Most of my adult life and I 
don't get in shootings. 

1268
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,400
Really that often because it 
turns out round pulling guns on 

1269
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,900
people and looking at them like 
I want to kill them, right? 

1270
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:45,800
Because that kind of what we 
call. 

1271
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,300
Escalation of force can happen 
then. 

1272
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:54,600
So, when when I see a video of 
somebody who's LARPing for lack 

1273
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:59,100
of better words in the middle of
a protest and then approaching 

1274
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:03,200
somebody and trying to what we 
call induce fear, which in state

1275
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,400
of Minnesota, we used to have a 
thing like strong armed robbery 

1276
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,000
Were if you were implying or 
trying to show that you could 

1277
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,800
use force, it was a strong arm. 
In this case, he's clearly 

1278
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,600
brandishing them and he puts his
hands on the weapon. 

1279
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:16,800
I would say. 
Yeah. 

1280
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:22,500
So if his both, if the subject, 
suspect hands were clear and 

1281
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:25,300
he's like, hey, get out of here,
get out of here and get shot. 

1282
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:27,900
Totally different story. 
As soon as both hands are in the

1283
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:32,300
weapon in any type of a fighting
position and you're within range

1284
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,100
of me now. 
It's a totally different story. 

1285
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:38,100
There's no I have not found any 
case law. 

1286
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:42,400
That requires an individual to 
be shot first before they defend

1287
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,200
themselves and that's where it 
is, right? 

1288
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,100
And that's the real piece of it.
It's the action-reaction thing I

1289
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:50,100
know you've done the same drills
that I've done, by the way, 

1290
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:53,700
pulling a one-second draw, and, 
and knock it around at 200 

1291
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:55,400
yards. 
That's a spicy, that's a spicy 

1292
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,900
spicy move. 
I can do that at about 15 and I 

1293
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:00,900
don't spend nearly as much time 
doing that stuff as I can. 

1294
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:03,700
But that, that is a testament to
some serious skill. 

1295
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,700
And there are people in the 
world that are like that. 

1296
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:08,400
And if you If you come up 
against somebody, you're going 

1297
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,000
to kill them in that situation 
because the skillset you have. 

1298
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,300
And generally speaking even my 
skill set is going to kill 

1299
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,600
people if they decide to do 
something stupid like put two 

1300
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,600
hands on a weapon and put them, 
you know, near my family. 

1301
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:20,600
I'm going to end you. 
And I know you feel the same way

1302
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,100
just because I know we have that
sort of commonality. 

1303
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,500
It's incredibly dangerous to see
someone that is decided like you

1304
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:29,400
say, LARPing and wants to walk 
into that role because they 

1305
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,300
obviously are not considering 
the consequences of what they 

1306
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:35,600
are implying to a skilled 
participant on the other end. 

1307
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:39,700
Yeah, or even, even to that 
fact, an unskilled participant, 

1308
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:43,900
take my sister again, if she has
a license carry permit to carry 

1309
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:45,600
whatever state. 
You're in, whatever the verb 

1310
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,900
engines, people use, all she has
to be, is in reasonable fear of 

1311
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:54,200
great, bodily harm or death. 
That is a general term that's 

1312
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,900
used in most States. 
Now, obviously look up your own 

1313
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:59,400
state law. 
If you're listening, but you 

1314
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,600
should know what that. 
What that threshold is for 

1315
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:06,100
justifiable use of deadly force,
and reasonable, fear of great. 

1316
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:08,600
Oddly harm or death. 
If you grab a rifle and you're 

1317
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,800
looking at me walking towards me
and bringing it up, even if it's

1318
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,500
still at low, ready with your 
hands on it. 

1319
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:17,400
And your posture is something I 
can articulate as a fighting 

1320
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,600
stance. 
I am in reasonable fear of 

1321
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,900
great, bodily harm or death. 
And I don't want this 

1322
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:24,300
interaction, but you are forcing
it. 

1323
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:27,200
And that's a huge difference. 
Let's talk about the Marine 

1324
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,800
quickly. 
That Jordan, a leadeth, I don't 

1325
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,800
even know the Marines name, and 
I think it's kind of interesting

1326
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,200
because I know the guy that the 
so-called victim who was a a 

1327
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,600
homeless person that's been 
arrested, what? 

1328
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,200
44 times something to that 
effect. 

1329
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:40,300
T' you two were so so he's and 
they keep showing us these 

1330
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:44,300
videos from like 2011, when he's
dancing in A Streetcar and doing

1331
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:45,900
a Michael Jackson routine. 
That's obviously not what 

1332
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,800
happened. 
You lived in New York for a 

1333
01:05:47,808 --> 01:05:50,500
while, you've been on the 
Subways, I've lived I've not 

1334
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:51,900
lived in but my wife is from New
York. 

1335
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:55,000
I've spent too much time in New 
York for my liking already and 

1336
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,400
I've seen these people. 
What's your take on something 

1337
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,800
like that? 
Because I think there's probably

1338
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,100
tubing. 
There's probably two pieces to 

1339
01:06:01,107 --> 01:06:03,100
it that are really critical. 
Yeah. 

1340
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:07,700
The the key is one. 
I'm going to transcend that 

1341
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:10,100
specific incidents for just one 
second. 

1342
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:14,000
Please that city has 
bastardized, their police force 

1343
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,900
and attack, their police force 
for so long and said that they 

1344
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:20,300
are all racist, horrible people,
and that everything that's wrong

1345
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:22,800
with this city is basically 
because of the NYPD 

1346
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,800
paraphrasing. 
But I mean, the whole defund, 

1347
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,600
the police movement, the blaming
the police for Every interaction

1348
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,400
that they have, that goes south 
because of subject action. 

1349
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,200
So, first and foremost, 
everything that happened on that

1350
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,200
Subway. 
I'm going to put right on the 

1351
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,000
shoulders of the politicians 
that created the situation where

1352
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,100
one criminals are being led out 
of. 

1353
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:48,000
Let out after being arrested 
over and over the revolving 

1354
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,200
door. 
We've all heard it. 

1355
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:52,200
You said something. 
I think it was 40-something, 

1356
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,800
arrest. 
And by the way, one of those was

1357
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,000
abducting or 10 attempt of a 
attempting to abduct, The 

1358
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000
seven-year-old girl if I'm not 
mistaken. 

1359
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:02,200
Yeah. 
And his last one is that he had 

1360
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,400
an assault charge that was 
pending and he had a like an 

1361
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,100
active warrant for an assault. 
So I mean violence is in the 

1362
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,100
it's definitely in the mix so 
then just when I hear this 

1363
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:15,100
because obviously I after this 
I'll be on another radio show. 

1364
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:18,300
Talking about different active 
shooter violence incidents 

1365
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:19,700
people are like, well what do 
you think? 

1366
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:22,300
But we have a lifelong career 
criminal. 

1367
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:24,100
Yeah, maybe he knew how to 
moonwalk. 

1368
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,400
Awesome. 
And then we have somebody who 

1369
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,900
was not a lifelong Criminal Who 
Did not wake up wanting to get 

1370
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:32,900
into a violent altercation with 
somebody. 

1371
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:37,900
I'm saying that innocent until 
proven guilty but right now I'm 

1372
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:40,400
going to give the benefit of the
doubt until I hear other 

1373
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,900
information towards the non 
lifelong criminal who didn't 

1374
01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:46,500
wake up that day, wanting to 
kill somebody. 

1375
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,500
What do you think about that? 
And I agree with you on a 

1376
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,100
percent on that too. 
I didn't think we'd have much of

1377
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,000
a different take. 
What is interesting is that he 

1378
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,500
held the guy supposedly for 15 
minutes which is tells me, 24 

1379
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:00,500
years old son. 
Experience with some combatives.

1380
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:01,900
I'm sure they teach basic 
combatives. 

1381
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:03,600
I mean, you, and I have 
probably, I'm guessing you've 

1382
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,400
choked people out. 
I've joked people out. 

1383
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:06,800
I've done it. 
Two guys who were in the army 

1384
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,500
that thought they were tough at 
Airborne school because they 

1385
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:10,500
were your size, and they thought
they were going to attack a 

1386
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:12,100
little guy like me. 
It turns out, I'm actually kind 

1387
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:14,600
of heavy for my size so and I 
have more skill. 

1388
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,100
You can't lower your head and 
hit me in the waist. 

1389
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,500
It's not going to work well. 
So I've done, you know, 

1390
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:20,500
Guillotine guys out. 
But at some point you got to 

1391
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:23,399
also know the difference between
letting it sink in letting him 

1392
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,000
lose Consciousness, which is not
fatal. 

1393
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,600
By any means, you can do a blood
choke or an air choke where he 

1394
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,300
really did damage. 
It sounds Like 15 minutes. 

1395
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:31,899
What do you think? 
What do you attribute that to? 

1396
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:37,399
I mean, I've only seen a couple 
minutes of the video, but the 

1397
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:42,399
generally speaking, I would say 
that the, the reasonableness 

1398
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,000
one, he is not a law enforcement
officer, therefore he should not

1399
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,399
be judged in the same light of 
the training and experience for 

1400
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,100
civilian law enforcement. 
That is a different standard 

1401
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:54,100
because they're giving different
tools, different Authority and 

1402
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:58,600
different training, specifically
in combatives on D, escalation 

1403
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,800
and less, lethal force, and all 
that other stuff check. 

1404
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,800
So, I'm not apply the same 
standard. 

1405
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:08,300
To this Citizen. 
And maybe he is a marine or he 

1406
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:10,500
was a marine. 
Sounds like, yeah, sounds like 

1407
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:13,100
no longer working for the Marine
Corps at this point. 

1408
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:17,300
But either way, but right prior 
service and great, but prior 

1409
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:20,000
service, the only training that 
I'll take into account in his 

1410
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,899
prior service, would be his 
ability to see a threat and 

1411
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:28,000
respond accordingly for the self
preservation of himself. 

1412
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,100
So I'm like, okay, he clearly 
thought that this guy was a 

1413
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:34,000
threat reasonable fear. 
He had A fear of great bodily 

1414
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,500
harm. 
At least at least bodily harm 

1415
01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:40,399
for himself or others which is 
from what we've seen in the 

1416
01:09:40,407 --> 01:09:43,800
video makes sense and eyewitness
videos already saying that her 

1417
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,200
eyewitness testimony saying the 
same exact thing. 

1418
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:50,300
Yes, the 15 minutes, I could 
chalk it up to a million 

1419
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:52,300
different things but at the end 
of the day, it doesn't really 

1420
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:55,400
matter because he was the 
suspect was still fighting with 

1421
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,400
him on the ground. 
You could see there was still a 

1422
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,300
complete unwillingness to change
the behavior. 

1423
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:08,900
The co be of The suspect. 
So again lifelong criminal tried

1424
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:14,400
to abduct kids assaulted people.
Versus a veteran who woke up and

1425
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:19,400
was likely coming or going from 
a job and did not try to start 

1426
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,700
the interaction or that or he's 
not even from there. 

1427
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:23,900
And that may be the case too. 
And he's just a guy who's on, 

1428
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,200
you know, who's just a Subway 
passenger as a tourist, which 

1429
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,800
I've been that all that not 
really a tourist I guess, but 

1430
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:31,800
I've always thought that I might
choose somebody in a New York 

1431
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,600
Subway, if I was there because 
it's It's bad. 

1432
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,300
It's horrible. 
I mean, the number of times that

1433
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:38,700
we were on the subway, I'm like 
we need to stop taking the 

1434
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:41,400
Subway because I don't want to 
get in an off-duty shooting here

1435
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,400
and there are so many idiots 
that are trying to provoke an 

1436
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,000
assault or trying to invoke. 
I mean, the videos coming up 

1437
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,600
people being pushed into onto 
the tracks by these Psychopaths.

1438
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,800
Yep. 
In New York, the assaults down. 

1439
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,900
There are ridiculous. 
So everybody knows it. 

1440
01:10:57,900 --> 01:11:00,400
Everybody in New York. 
And by the way, this is not new 

1441
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,400
for New York. 
If you remember, there's a huge 

1442
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,600
landmark. 
Case, believe in back in the 70s

1443
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,500
where the Subways were. 
So dangerous. 

1444
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:11,700
That people just got, they 
wouldn't go down there one guy. 

1445
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,700
He was getting robbed by a 
couple kids and he pulled out a 

1446
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:17,800
gun and shot two or three of the
kids. 

1447
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,500
I forgot the case. 
But long story short, there's 

1448
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,500
headlines of he was a hero at 
the time because everybody was 

1449
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:27,800
so sick and tired of being 
attacked, abused, and robbed on 

1450
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,400
the, on the transit system. 
In New York, back in the 60s, or

1451
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,100
70s. 
And it led to people Apple that 

1452
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:34,600
were so-called trained in 
martial arts. 

1453
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,200
This was the red beret sort of 
thing. 

1454
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,600
The Red Jackets this is Curtis 
Lee Wells operation. 

1455
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,500
I have a weird connection 
through my in-laws to him but 

1456
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,200
end of the day he recruited a 
bunch of guys to basically ride 

1457
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,300
the Subways. 
I think they were called 

1458
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:47,700
guardian angels and people can 
check me in the comment section 

1459
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:49,700
but they rolled around and they 
were marked as such. 

1460
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:51,400
And they just basically said, 
look if law enforcement is not 

1461
01:11:51,407 --> 01:11:54,900
going to be down here we are. 
And hey man, I don't know karate

1462
01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:56,700
but I know crazy. 
And I'm going to take you down 

1463
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:57,900
and that was kind of the move, 
right? 

1464
01:11:57,900 --> 01:12:00,800
And so there's there's a lot of 
history and it's not even 

1465
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,800
vigilantism. 
It's essentially like filling 

1466
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:05,600
Gap between the expectation of 
law. 

1467
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,900
Enforcement's ability to solve 
the problem and you're just 

1468
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:09,700
general responsibility is 
another citizen. 

1469
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:12,000
Look, you're a man, you're 
responsible for women around 

1470
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,400
you, that's the way I was 
raised. 

1471
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,500
I know you feel the same way 
about, you know, that's why you 

1472
01:12:16,508 --> 01:12:19,400
get into a guardian protector 
type role whether it's law, 

1473
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:20,900
enforcement, or military or 
otherwise. 

1474
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:24,400
But yeah, it's crazy to think 
that I want to Pivot to, you 

1475
01:12:24,407 --> 01:12:25,600
know, that we could sit there 
and talk about that. 

1476
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,100
But I think end of the day also,
maybe talk real quickly about 

1477
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:31,800
the sympathetic response and the
ability to judge time when 

1478
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,300
you're in the middle of a fight.
Like That. 

1479
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,200
Yeah, anybody who's actually 
been in a real fight even 

1480
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,400
training. 
If you've been a boxer, 

1481
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:44,100
Brazilian jiu-jitsu MMA, 
anything or been in combat, or 

1482
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:47,500
self-defense, or even got to the
point where you, you thought you

1483
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:53,500
had to go weapons hot, the time 
Distortion is ridiculous. 

1484
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:56,800
I don't know if went how many 
times you've experienced it, but

1485
01:12:56,808 --> 01:12:58,000
I'm guessing you've experienced 
it. 

1486
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,500
We had some chats will keep out 
of this from Shot Show which 

1487
01:13:01,700 --> 01:13:04,800
stuff gets spicy. 
And in that time that 

1488
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,000
hyper-focus comes in. 
And if you put a gun to my head 

1489
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,500
and you're like, tell me exactly
how much time passed. 

1490
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,800
I could not tell you exactly how
much time passed because I don't

1491
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,000
know. 
That was not how the brain 

1492
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,900
processes that information once 
that amygdala fires, the 

1493
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:23,300
prefrontal cortex is disengage. 
So from a physiological 

1494
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:27,600
standpoint it's reasonable to 
say that he lost track of time, 

1495
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,500
which because he's in fight or 
flight in that survival mode. 

1496
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:33,800
It's always been my argument. 
Argument for the three cops. 

1497
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,600
We just saw a manslaughter 
conviction for the guys that 

1498
01:13:35,608 --> 01:13:38,400
were at the Derek Chauvin 
situation and it's like, look, 

1499
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,200
you're acting like he was 
sitting there paying attention 

1500
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,200
to what this dude was doing and 
he may not have known at all and

1501
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,300
have having worked CPR, you 
know, been on on scenes and done

1502
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:49,200
codes. 
If you'd said, how long were you

1503
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:50,800
on seeing? 
The only reason I know is 

1504
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,100
because we rotate for CPR, 
compressions, and I've got a 

1505
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:56,300
timer running on the pads. 
That tells me how long I've been

1506
01:13:56,308 --> 01:13:58,800
working the code. 
If you ask me in any reasonable 

1507
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,800
setting, I have no idea. 
It could have been 15 minutes. 

1508
01:14:00,808 --> 01:14:02,600
It could been 45. 
It could have been three 

1509
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,000
minutes. 
It's and sometimes that's the 

1510
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,000
case. 
You've been there for three 

1511
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,500
minutes and you're like, it's 
been an hour. 

1512
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,900
I'm exhausted and then you look 
up and you're like it's been 

1513
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:12,000
three minutes and 12 seconds 
like how what is going on here? 

1514
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:15,600
So yeah not, I've had to 
activate on a flight on multiple

1515
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,700
flights before back in my day 
and we won't go into the 

1516
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:21,900
details, but some of them were 
hands on and More Physical in 

1517
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:27,600
the sense and the to this day, I
the only time stamps I'll have 

1518
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,600
is the flight deck recorder 
where I'm calling up to the 

1519
01:14:30,608 --> 01:14:33,300
captain after we've subdued 
everything. 

1520
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:36,500
And we know that roughly when it
started and roughly one, it 

1521
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:39,800
ended from that time stamp. 
But in the moment, I had no idea

1522
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,100
how long that was going because 
that was not my focus. 

1523
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:44,900
My focus was on preservation of 
Life of those around me. 

1524
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,900
Sure. 
I just want people to have that 

1525
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:49,300
awareness as they are potential 
jurors in. 

1526
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,900
These cases as they are looking 
in and and getting law 

1527
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:55,500
enforcement reactions that don't
have the time to share all this 

1528
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,000
long-form information. 
You know, these are experiences.

1529
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:02,400
You can't fake and you can't, 
you can't really accurately put 

1530
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,500
yourself. 
Be a peer of this person unless 

1531
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,700
you have gone through something 
that is fairly aggressive and 

1532
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:09,700
and is a very strong sympathetic
response. 

1533
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,800
I want to just kind of pivot. 
There's only, you know, we could

1534
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,900
probably talk about this for 
hours, if you and I want it to, 

1535
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:18,600
and it would be fun to this 
shooting happened in Texas. 

1536
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,700
I want to kind of talk about 
that. 

1537
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:23,500
That's easier World, Public 
Safety, Public, Safety Training.

1538
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,400
You know, getting people aware 
of, this could happen at a 

1539
01:15:25,407 --> 01:15:26,400
church. 
It could happen else. 

1540
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:28,100
People are always acting like, 
oh, I'm scared. 

1541
01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:29,700
I can't go to a school. 
I can't go to a mall. 

1542
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:31,600
I can't go to church without 
having this stuff happen. 

1543
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,300
Lie, still pretty rare. 
Maybe. 

1544
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:37,400
Maybe some of the things that 
people should be doing in those 

1545
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,000
specific environment that are 
unique to a mall environment or 

1546
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,300
unique to a church. 
They can do that smart. 

1547
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:47,500
Yeah, so in those first, as soon
as you get there, best thing you

1548
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:50,500
can do is establish Baseline. 
If you've been there before, 

1549
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,500
check your previous knowledge of
the location. 

1550
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:57,000
See, what does anything look off
our their cars? 

1551
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,100
Parked in a location that cars 
aren't generally parked in. 

1552
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:04,100
Is the flow of traffic coming 
and going Early are the people 

1553
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:07,800
in the stores, is there even a 
quiet Focus? 

1554
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,600
Where people's heads are pointed
in a Direction? 

1555
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,500
That's an early indicator, that 
there's something further away 

1556
01:16:14,500 --> 01:16:17,500
that's outside of your sensory 
field that you cannot pick up 

1557
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:20,000
on. 
Which that those couple seconds,

1558
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,800
it's a matter of it can be the 
matter of life and death. 

1559
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,300
So find those indicators and 
again it's not that Bond. 

1560
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:28,800
Flick of like walking around 
with your hands up all day. 

1561
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,200
Just look around. 
Say. 

1562
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,600
Okay, this is pretty normal. 
Everything's normal. 

1563
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:35,600
I'm going to check again and a 
little bit and anytime I see an 

1564
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,300
indicator that's outside of that
green, what we call Green? 

1565
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:41,600
Just everything's you're going 
down the road. 

1566
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,600
You've got green lights in front
of you keep going. 

1567
01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:46,500
As soon as you start spotting 
that yellow Behavior or that 

1568
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:51,100
deviation from Baseline, that's 
the yellow light at the traffic,

1569
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,600
you start making decisions. 
Do I speed up? 

1570
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,900
Do I slow down? 
Do I turn left turn right? 

1571
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,900
Start thinking of it in that 
light, red is really easy. 

1572
01:16:59,900 --> 01:17:02,700
Once you start hearing gunshots,
make a decision be decisive. 

1573
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,900
So don't hesitate. 
What do you think about making 

1574
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:08,400
that decision beforehand? 
Like as you walk in plans with 

1575
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,000
especially with kids and family 
and wives that don't necessarily

1576
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,700
react to being yelled at like 
mine, whenever I yell at her to 

1577
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:15,700
do something, it's just like 
it's fries and stuff. 

1578
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,200
They don't fight or flight, a 
lot of people freeze in my 

1579
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,200
experience. 
So then part of it is specially,

1580
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,200
if you're responsible, for the 
protection of others, and I say 

1581
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,700
responsible, in the sense of, if
you're a parent, you're 

1582
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:29,000
absolutely responsible for the 
protection of others. 

1583
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,000
If you're an aunt and uncle or 
even a older child with, Your 

1584
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,900
parents who are becoming more 
elderly or you're just a good 

1585
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:42,200
human being in a public place. 
Start start looking at it from, 

1586
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:45,300
if you're in the responsible, 
for the protection of others. 

1587
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,600
And then when it's in the span 
of your control within family in

1588
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,900
it, one of the things I do with 
my wife because again, she comes

1589
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:55,000
from musical theater slightly 
different than our background. 

1590
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,600
Not a Hands-On occupation in the
same way. 

1591
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:04,200
Yeah, I'm like, hey, just out of
curiosity at if Happens here. 

1592
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,100
What would you do? 
And she looks around and she's 

1593
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:08,700
like oh I'd probably go over 
here, I'd go over there. 

1594
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:11,200
Like okay good. 
And it's not a stressful 

1595
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,400
conversation and it doesn't have
to happen every day but every 

1596
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,300
couple weeks we'll have a chat 
about that. 

1597
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,500
And the more chance you have, 
the more natural, it becomes 

1598
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:23,400
where that reaction, you're 
building the neural Pathways 

1599
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,700
ultimately so that you don't go 
into that classic code black 

1600
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:28,400
where you have nothing to pull 
from. 

1601
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,800
If you build a narrow pathway 
of, okay, if something happens, 

1602
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,600
I can go there. 
Or I can go there. 

1603
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:36,500
Okay, I have two choices and 
then if something happens 

1604
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,100
re-evaluate and say, oh well, 
that one's much better than what

1605
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:43,000
I previously, thought, but at 
least you've already mentally 

1606
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,200
put that through. 
We always say the body. 

1607
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,300
Can't go where the Mind hasn't 
been. 

1608
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,200
If you haven't put your mind 
there, you'll never be able to 

1609
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,300
respond. 
That's a really, really good one

1610
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:54,800
to remember and it also has kind
of a nice catchiness to it. 

1611
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,600
I feel like you should meme it 
and you should put it out there 

1612
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,300
and I will retweet that because 
I dig it. 

1613
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:01,900
It's so interesting. 
You said, looking for aberrant 

1614
01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:03,500
behaviors that are Slightly out 
of the norm. 

1615
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:07,000
When we looked at the video of 
that, that shooter in Texas, he 

1616
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,100
parked at a stop sign and got 
out obviously, his dress code 

1617
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:12,600
would have let you know, but 
people don't get out of, you 

1618
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,800
know, when they're blocking in 
other cars in a mall parking 

1619
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,400
lot. 
So that's tip number one. 

1620
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,200
It may only be two seconds worth
of warning, but it's enough for 

1621
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,300
you to know, like something is 
wrong and that Prime's you to be

1622
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:26,000
able to go to that next step of 
maybe taking the next step of 

1623
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,900
safety correct in a lot of our 
SWAT team training that we do is

1624
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:32,600
talks about, we work on 
hundredths and tenths of a 

1625
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:35,500
second on improving whether it's
room clearing or weapons 

1626
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:41,900
manipulation or the split time 
shot between shots and we train 

1627
01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:44,700
it, not in the sense of hate. 
You need to be a competition 

1628
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:47,200
shooter because a tenth of a 
second, you'll be a winner. 

1629
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,500
No, it's opportunities of 
violence. 

1630
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,500
Watching the video in Texas, 
think of time. 

1631
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:55,100
As opportunities of violence 
directed at you, or somebody who

1632
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:57,600
doesn't deserve it down in 
Texas. 

1633
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,100
Listen to the splits. 
There were roughly point three 

1634
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:05,100
point two five. 
So About three to four rounds 

1635
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:09,300
per second can be fired on an 
average semi-auto handgun or 

1636
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:12,300
shotgun or rifle, which is 
pretty standard. 

1637
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:15,200
So, every time you talked about 
two seconds, you see somebody 

1638
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,900
parked at a stop sign in a 
parking lot and get out of a 

1639
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:20,200
car. 
If that gave you 2 seconds, 

1640
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,700
that's eight rounds of 
opportunity violence that you 

1641
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:25,800
took away from them and gave to 
yourself in the sense of 

1642
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,000
personal protection, mitigation 
where you're able to get away 

1643
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,500
from those eight rounds, because
you gave yourself to seconds, 

1644
01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:36,400
He's right now and I'm a 
competent shooter can probably 

1645
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,500
take a shot at 25 yards in under
that amount of time. 

1646
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:41,500
So now you've opened up an 
opportunity and probably the 

1647
01:20:41,508 --> 01:20:43,400
distance if you go get the 
training. 

1648
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,100
So let's talk about where people
can come. 

1649
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:47,300
See you for training or other 
places that you recommend if you

1650
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:49,300
want to kind of throw that out 
there, I'd like you to you know 

1651
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:52,300
throw out the websites and 
handles all the things because I

1652
01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:54,400
think it is really important 
stuff for people today. 

1653
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,500
Yeah, so our training is our 
church, our company's Archway 

1654
01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,700
defense.com that's Archway 
defense like Archway to your 

1655
01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:04,900
home defense like Department of 
Archway, defense.com handle, 

1656
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:08,800
Twitter, Archway, defense, we 
are back after being banned 

1657
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,700
about five years, for hauling 
out the media for 

1658
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,300
officer-involved shooting where 
they lied about. 

1659
01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:18,300
So we're really excited to be 
back on Twitter Archway, defense

1660
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:21,300
for Instagram, all of the social
medias are the same thing 

1661
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:23,300
Archway defense. 
Now if you're getting training, 

1662
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,900
go to our Instagram page. 
And there's if you're looking 

1663
01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:29,500
for a permit to carry, we worked
with a we partnered with a 

1664
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:32,500
national firm that will do 
permit scary. 

1665
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,500
Phenomenal. 
Click the link. 

1666
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,400
Put in your ZIP code. 
You'll find a place to get your 

1667
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,500
permit to carry. 
That's a perfect start. 

1668
01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:42,100
Even if you don't plan on 
carrying a firearm for 

1669
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:44,900
self-defense, it's a great 
course to go through to 

1670
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:48,200
understand the legal aspects of 
what you can and cannot do. 

1671
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,400
I think that's one of the most 
important pieces before you go 

1672
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,500
out and buy the new gun, or the 
new holster new. 

1673
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:58,100
Anything, like, go figure out 
the law and then back yourself 

1674
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:01,500
into it with the permits and the
guns and all the other cool 

1675
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:03,200
gear. 
Very good. 

1676
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,600
Advice to you guys operate in 
the, the areas outside of the 

1677
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,200
Twin Cities. 
Are there other places that you 

1678
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,600
traveling nationally to teach 
people? 

1679
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:14,600
Yeah, I mean, most of April we 
were in, we're doing courses, in

1680
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,500
Texas, and in Minnesota. 
And as I say, we travel 

1681
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:21,500
Coast-to-Coast, border-to-border
for our training. 

1682
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:25,700
So we're all over, I'll be 
heading down to Chicago in a 

1683
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:28,100
week and then, coming back up to
the Twin Cities. 

1684
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:32,500
We have an entire city 
government, all, sworn unsworn. 

1685
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,700
City workers that were training 
in situational awareness in our 

1686
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:38,900
VR product through our tech 
company. 

1687
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,100
I really do like that. 
If you come back down to Texas, 

1688
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:42,800
you gotta let me know. 
I'll come see you, guys, even 

1689
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,900
though it's a big state. 
I'll make, I'll make a special 

1690
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:46,100
trip to come, hang out. 
That be fun. 

1691
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,300
What about your work? 
Peter, thank you so much for 

1692
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:51,800
joining me today, folks, I want 
to throw up, thank you to our 

1693
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,700
sponsor as well. 
We have Patriot coolers, even 

1694
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:54,800
probably see me drinking out of 
it. 

1695
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,300
This is my generation one. 
I've been using this for quite a

1696
01:22:57,300 --> 01:23:00,000
while at this point. 
That's a dead are sticker 

1697
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,400
because I own some of their 
suppressors. 

1698
01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:04,600
This is a Patch from one of my 
buddies who was Air Force, 

1699
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,000
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1700
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,000
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1701
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,800
I think, one of the great 
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1702
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,300
they obviously give back money 
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1703
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,700
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1704
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And then moreover, they sponsor 
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1705
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1707
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1708
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,800
Excellent products at Patriot 
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1709
01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:34,000
It's a Texas America company. 
I got some family connections 

1710
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,100
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1711
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1712
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:42,000
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I'm very grateful that Peter 

1713
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,400
joined me as our guest. 
And a folks, if you like what 

1714
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,100
you hear, go ahead and 
subscribe. 

1715
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:48,100
You can do the thing on Rumble 
where you can leave us a 

1716
01:23:48,108 --> 01:23:50,100
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I'm happy to respond to those 

1717
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,600
today. 
Won't have the live chat, but we

1718
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,300
will be back live on Wednesday 
and you can always take us with 

1719
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:57,300
you anywhere on Apple on 
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1720
01:23:57,300 --> 01:24:00,300
there's a place that we are not 
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1721
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:02,500
play, Kyle Serafin, Show 
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1722
01:24:02,700 --> 01:24:05,100
You will get your spyware, 
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1723
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:07,300
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1724
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:09,900
Many of you have left us, five 
star reviews. 

1725
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,500
We're well over 400. 
I've got producer Phil so I'm 

1726
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:15,600
going to have him read one. 
If he's got one pulled up a five

1727
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,600
star review from the Apple 
podcast app. 

1728
01:24:18,500 --> 01:24:22,700
Yeah we've got one here from TP.
Can sue entitled Department of 

1729
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:25,800
complaints they write scary 
podcast. 

1730
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,500
Who's to say? 
They aren't tagging anyone. 

1731
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:30,300
They don't like regardless, if 
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1732
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:33,500
Also, I guess I fall into the 
Edibles category. 

1733
01:24:33,700 --> 01:24:38,900
As I early retired on eleven to 
twenty Twenty-One bday refusing 

1734
01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:42,200
to drink the Kool-Aid and to 
violate staffs medical privacy 

1735
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,500
due to the Mandate required of 
me to verify vaccine information

1736
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,100
on each staff, my ethics and 
personal Integrity were 

1737
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:52,500
challenged, thanks to TP for 
that five star review. 

1738
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:55,400
If you'd like to hear your five 
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1739
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,700
seraphic show, give us one and 
maybe you'll hear yours next. 

1740
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,300
That's it. 
That's correct, folks. 

1741
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,900
TP thanks for being us. 
Bendable all the listeners you 

1742
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:06,300
guys have been been fantastic 
and the live chats have been 

1743
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:07,500
really good. 
Like I said, I will see you 

1744
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:10,300
again live on rumble on 
Wednesday, and if you want, you 

1745
01:25:10,308 --> 01:25:14,100
can catch me on, Tim cast, this 
Monday night, I will be on Tim 

1746
01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:16,300
cast IRL. 
I have no idea what I'm getting 

1747
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:18,500
into, but I'm about to fly to 
Dulles, so I'll probably see 

1748
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:21,400
some fans on the way, so we'll 
see you guys very soon. 

1749
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:27,000
Thanks for joining us. 
Thanks for listening to the Kyle

1750
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,400
Serafin. 
Show be sure to follow him on 

1751
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1752
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:27,500
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Serafin. 

1753
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:31,400
Show be sure to follow him on 
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1754
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