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It is baby time in the Seraphin household, so I don't know what
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I taped this interview a couple of days ago with Mickey Willis,
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The Plandemic 1-2 and three are the three movies that he
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bottom here for sure. It'll be in the show notes and
what I'll tell you is this. It's a uniquely appropriate
interview because this was one of the most hopeful and
energetic lowkey conversations that I walked away from it
feeling good, and I hope you do as well.
I hope you really enjoy this. I think that this is going to be
an impactful conversation for you.
It certainly was for me. When I walked away, I had no
idea what I was getting into. And we don't talk very much
about pandemics or pandemics or anything else.
We talked about is messaging, is about hypnotism, about families,
about values and about the journey that we all go through
in life. And maybe as we start to see the
plan, there's a little bit more logic there.
There's a little bit more sense than any of us would have
anticipated at any given point, including the lowest points.
So if you are at a low point right now, I encourage you to
watch this all the way through. I think it will bring you a
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that like button. Y'all, ladies and gentlemen, we
are going to welcome our guest today, Mickey Willis.
He is the investigative filmmaker behind the series
Plandemic 1-2 and three, which you can find at
plandemicseries.com. He's at Austin, TX, just like
us, although he's on the other side of the the city and we're
going to bring him in. And we got some questions about
the plandemic, about the term plandemic and and who he is as a
filmmaker, how he got into that. So, Mickey, welcome to the Kyle
Seraphin Show. Thanks so much.
Good to be here. All right, my friend.
So I want to start with the basics.
I always like to know the view, the lens that people are kind of
viewing the world. Can you tell me about where you
grew up and how you ended up decided to be a filmmaker?
Grew up in Sacramento, CA. Born and raised there.
Moved to Los Angeles when I was 19.
Starryeyed kid. The story we've all heard.
Stepped off the bus and and into the maze of Hollywood and.
And did my best to survive that for a number of years until I
realized that being in front of the camera wasn't really where I
wanted to be. I didn't know I wanted to be a
filmmaker. It didn't really have that
possibility alive in my family and my lineage.
So there was nothing there to show me that that was even
possible until I got in front of the camera and I realized I was
paying much more attention to what the lighting guys were
doing and the camera people were doing.
Then my job in front of the camera.
So I swiftly left that position and began to study and built my
own theater in Los Angeles when I was 23 years old and started
writing and directing theatrical performances.
And I did that for a number of years until that theater was
damaged in the the Northridge earthquake.
And and I left that to begin directing actually infomercials.
That was my first parlay into directing.
Filmed Entertainment and On the heyday of infomercials I was
invited to direct a Co directed infomercial for Vitamix and that
was really the first Blender company.
The Blender Company, Yeah. And and so that was really the
first parlay into being behind the camera.
And I didn't go to film school. I'm glad I didn't.
I hire people around me who did. So they understand all the lingo
and all of it. Technical stuff that I didn't
learn, but I'm glad as an artist that I did not because I think
that like many educations, it can create kind of a cookie
cutter mindset that has you stuck in a bunch of rules.
And it's what's kind of funny, the legacy of my work.
For years I critics have called my work unique and innovative
and most of the time I have no idea what they're talking about.
It's usually because I don't know the rules, so I.
I end up doing what you're not supposed to do.
And they say that's gutsy. And I said no, it's just I
don't, I didn't know that I was even breaking a rule because I
don't know the rules. And so through the years I've
I've, I've made my own and certainly have found my own
formula. But that's that's what led me
into, you know, at least getting behind the camera.
And then as I became more concerned about the state of our
world, the state of the state that I lived in and.
And our social issues that were going on, I I was teaching a
class performing arts class in Compton, CA.
So I was deeply involved in racial issues and particularly
when the Los Angeles riots broke out that that got me really
involved in speaking with the communities and trying to figure
out why there was so much racial tension.
And and that gradually led me into the world of politics and
and doing what I'm doing now very interesting that we have
some overlap there. I I actually also grew up in the
Bay Area and then I've got family in San Francisco and and
Sacramento things like that and I actually ended up working for
Warner Brothers a little bit when I first got out of college
kind of a strange little thing. I lived in Burbank so I'm sure
we've got some some places in common that cross paths.
Were you were you always a political guy growing up in
California, or was that in your your sphere of influence?
No, I was. I wanted nothing to do with
politics. And the first time I ever voted
was voting for Obama. It was the first time that a
politician spoke. And I was moved and I thought,
what a beautiful family man. And you know, 3-4 years later I
was questioning where the hope and change was and upset that
there were six new wars. And I've been suckered into the
game of politics and and and so I thought I thought I.
Smartened up. And next thing I know, I'm on
the road supporting Bernie Sanders and all of it was
divine. You know, I don't.
I have a rule in life that the old cliche that life doesn't
happen to you, it happens for you.
And so I I look at all of that as my training ground so that I
can understand what I understand today.
I had to go to the other side of the spectrum.
I had to be fooled. I had to experience what that
felt like. I had to see the other side
behind the curtain. And and to realize that, you
know there is a a really dirty game called politics that is out
to capture our attention and and own it.
And I equate our attention to the rudder of a ship.
It literally is the thing like our our our attention's been
hijacked. And that's why I learned this
through years of working with High Level.
Bad executives and boardrooms with people who get paid a lot
of money to create campaigns for major products.
And realizing as I was a young filmmaker and I would have an
opportunity to come pitch because I wanted to direct the
car commercial or whatever it might be.
And I would come in with a all this research on the product and
and you know what I thought was a really classy, beautiful
concept and it would always get thrown out because all they
wanted to do is just just get some chicks in bikinis and and
at the end of it we'll say Honda.
It's like what What does that have to do with the car?
I don't understand this. And it's like, no, we just want
their attention. You know that girls in bikinis
get attention or you know, we have to convince the people that
they're not complete and that our project, you know, will
complete them. So that's what we really want to
hear is how do. So it's really all about this
really high level manipulation of the mind.
And I started to get very involved in ontological research
that really the study of being and to try to figure out.
What's going on with humanity? What's going on with us?
What's going on with me and how? How did I get led into two
political situations that I now can see clearly, But at that
point I couldn't see at all. I was, you know, I was
hypnotized. And if you've seen The Great
Awakening, you see that I opened the movie with that story that
that that was the beginning of my true political awakening, was
when I asked the question am I hypnotized?
And that's when I started to just the just the asking of that
question. Which I've never done before.
I never had a reason to ask myself if I were hypnotized, who
Who does that right? Unless you start to realize I
know I'm smarter than this and I know I'm street smart, but yet
I'm. I'm getting suckered into
something twice now that I didn't even see coming.
So what part of my mind has been captured such that I can't
perceive the things that I normally would perceive out in
the world And how are they doing this?
How do they do this to me, you know?
And and the answer is incrementally.
And through everything, through every billboard and every
commercial and and all the different ways that all of the
narratives have been captured to influence our choices in the
direction of our future, maybe you could talk a little more
about the advertising world, especially coming out of the
infomercial sort of background, right.
So that's kind of a splash we got to grab your attention, as I
understand it. You know, I grew up watching the
same infomercials everyone else did where they show you an
incredible product and amazing claim, and then they show you a
bunch of really flashy visuals. And at the end of it, you know,
it's only 1995 and it's however many payments and and this is
going to change your life. How does that move into sort of
the higher level, you know, big narratives that we're hearing in
this country? Like how do you see the
parallels working? Well, it's all a primer for the
mass hypnosis that so many people are stuck in right now.
We don't realize to the degree that advertising the damage that
it's done to our collective psyche.
Because it's just there all the time.
It's it's everywhere we go. It's on those little dividers at
the checkout stand. It's everywhere that there's a
blank space. They fill it with advertising.
And so even when we're not looking at it, we're seeing it.
And that's something that people don't realize, that there's a so
many subliminal things happening that our mind is always, always
being bombarded with what they want us to see and think.
And that that can affect even the strongest willed people.
I I'm a real stubborn guy. You know, like I'm a strong
headed person. If I know something's right.
There's nothing you can show me unless it's really hard
evidence. I'm not stubborn to the point of
any longer. I'm not study.
I'm not stubborn to the point of not being open to real evidence.
But if there's something that I know to be real, you can't
convince me that it's not. And if there's something I know
to be unreal, you can't convince me that it's real.
And yet I I realize even, you know, having that armor, I'm.
I find myself susceptible all the time to the suggestion of
just realizing that, you know, I wasn't hungry a moment ago, but
somehow I'm, I'm, I'm hungry. Oh, God.
I just, I just heard a commercial.
I just saw this little thing, this thing flashed in my mind.
And you know, they outlawed what they call subliminal advertising
years ago, which was just a A-frame or two that they'd flash
in a movie theater. They run these little you know.
Ad for the next movie, but within it there'd be a flash of
popcorn. The next thing you know, the
audience wouldn't even perceive it with their eyes, but they'd
go want some popcorn. I'm going to go get some
popcorn. Okay.
Cool. And it would work.
Because suddenly this imagery stays in the mind, and then the
mind toys with that until it can smell the popcorn and taste it.
And next thing you know, your taste buds are going, yeah, you
know, I could use some satisfying right now.
And then you're buying their product and a very similar thing
happens. But it's even more sinister and
in out in the world because, and it becomes more and more
sinister as people become more immune.
The more ads there are are around us, the harder it is to
get people's attention because there's just so much now, so
much eye candy that we don't really even look at it anymore.
You know, look at all the ads that pop up as we're scrolling
through YouTube stuff. We don't really.
We wait for that 5 second timer to tick out and then we skip.
Pay attention to it. So what do they do to get our
attention? They have to be really loud and
really shocking. And the downside to that, it's
kind of what's happening with the demoralization from TikTok
and YouTube and all the stuff that's happening to our young
people and and all ages really where there's being incentivized
and rewarded to be shocking. You know, I have two young boys
and they asked me a little while ago, They said, dad, can we have
our friend has a YouTube channel, Can we?
And I said absolutely no. And so why?
Because you know, we're there. I have good, great kids.
And I said that you're, it's not you that I'm worried about.
It's the influence of understanding that once you
start to release videos and first of all, it gets you
addicted to being liked. That's why the buttons and the
user experience is like and follow because when you become
addicted to being liked and being liked as a currency, then
you start to self censor. You start to do whatever it
takes to increase your likes. It's it's like a dopamine hit,
right? You get.
Wow. I had a video that got a million
views. How much more shocking do I have
to be to get 2 million views? Let me keep going until you've
lost all all foundation of your moral principles.
And that's the goal. It's all demoralization.
And so I told my boys there's no way because I trust you.
But no, no one's strong enough, really to survive that and to
not be not to be affected by it. And to some degree that it will
just happen to you guys is that I love you too much to to to.
To allow this to affect your beautiful little minds in such a
way that next thing you know you're you're trying to be
shocking because you realize you got rewarded for that one
shocking video. And and this happened with my my
friend's son where he said he put out a video that he didn't
think he should he should put out because it was just kind of
stupid and it was just like him slapping another friend in the
face or something like that. And they shouldn't even have put
it on his YouTube channel and he goes, but it got the most views.
I got like 16,000 views. So do you want to do a video.
We do slapping videos and we slap and I said, and my son came
home and he goes, dad, he goes, I I see what you mean.
Now he goes because this Kitty he goes suddenly went from doing
his innocent stuff to like now he wants to do slapping videos
just because he's people love to see people get slapped.
I said that's how it starts but next thing you know that's all
normalized for you so you take it to the next let's now let's
deck each other in the face. Let's see if we can cause these
other to bleed. Oh OK that gets old.
What do we do next? Let's.
Jump off a building and see if we can survive.
It just goes more extreme. And I said, and this is, this is
part of the warfare that we're experiencing right now.
It is calculated war. It is Sun Tzu, the art of war,
to destroy an enemy from within, to defeat an enemy without
fighting, to turn the enemy against itself so that it kills
itself. And that's what we're living
through right now. So a couple things you just said
really resonated me. Nope, #1.
If everybody wants to do the thought experiment of just a
mattering imagining, you know, sort of a fluffy, buttery
popcorn at the movie theater, you can hear it popping, You can
smell it, and you can think of how salty it tastes and suddenly
realize, oh, my mouth is watering.
I'm thinking about popcorn and you're not hungry and you don't
want popcorn. And so that obviously is very a
successful technique. It's been used for a long time,
the same way as, you know, a red juicy steak that's, you know,
mouth watering and all the other words that we've always heard.
And these things conjure up images that make us go a certain
place, right. So that's part one.
The second thing you talked about is the escalation of
stupidity. I think it's what I would call
it on the YouTube thing, right. Looking for those likes and and
I got to grow up seeing that. I never had any interest in it.
But there was a show called Jackass.
These guys made a career out of it.
They made millions of dollars beating the hell out of each
other and and really doing serious damage to their bodies.
I think probably to their intellect and their end to their
souls at the end. So how do you know you're out
there keeping your kids away from it?
I think that's the right instinct.
I do the same. How do we, you know is there an
armor that you can walk in? Because we can't get away from
the world where we're going to be barraged by the stuff.
So how do you, how do you insulate yourself from that?
Sort of, maybe insidious evil, that insidious creeping in that
narrative that comes in. Well, I can tell you how I how I
help my children make the highest choices in a world
that's constantly tempting them away from their highest choices.
And that is first and foremost, I teach them through what they
want and not through what I want or what their mother wants.
For them, that's a very important thing and a mistake
that most parents make. Where it's I need you to do
this. I want you to be.
I want your room to be more clean.
I want you to. And the kids have values.
They have goals. They have wants and desires.
And you have to understand the psychology of One thing to
really understand is our first communication that we learned
was we became hungry as new infants and the hunger.
Caused an involuntary reaction, which was crying.
And then we were given this soft thing called a nipple, and we
had the food and the soothing that we needed.
And then two hours later, we did it again.
And we got it again. And then two hours later we
went, oh, oh, I'm learning here. I get, oh, OK.
So our first line of getting what we want is actually through
the process of manipulation. So we're using our emotions.
We learn OKI can cry. And then I get what I want and
we. Later, when crying becomes
uncool, we start to manipulate emotionally in other ways.
And so if you understand that we're constantly doing things to
get what we want in this life, then you can understand that
that's a very powerful way to to teach our children.
You say, I I want to help you get what you want.
I want, I want you to have what you want.
If it's something that's actually good for you, and I
want you to have that. And so let's start looking at I
can tell you now from an elder position, from somebody who's
lived a lot more life than you have.
I can tell you the mistakes that I made and how many times I went
the long route when I could have just taken the short route and
obtained what I wanted much faster with much less suffering.
But I didn't have this instructions in my life.
I didn't have a father in my life to tell me these things.
And so I took the long route on on most things.
I I don't regret that. And so in that.
Understanding that, I also don't want to rob you of your
experience and your right to fail because it's important.
It teaches us character and grit.
So I don't want to insulate you from learning the do's and
don'ts of life. But I'm going to offer you each
way a clear directive that lets you know this is the short path
directly to what you want, and this is the long path choose.
It's up to you. That's your life.
That's that's your life experience that you get to
choose and I'll be here for you no matter what path you choose.
But but understand there's a choice.
There's always a choice. And so and then it's also
understanding that the mind is meant to learn through
symbology, through through visuals.
It's why movies are so, so important.
You get 24 frames to 30 frames a second, 30 pictures per second
flashing in front of your mind. And that's why they're so
important, because that's how the brain was taught to learn
through symbology, through imagery, and so most parents
don't use that enough. I use a lot of metaphor with my
children and visual metaphor. So I'll tell you one quick one
that has become quite popular within our family and and
friends, families, because there's a big issue,
particularly with boys and video games.
It's just it's such a luring drug that you give them a tiny
bit of time, which is all my wife and I have ever allowed.
Yet they just want more. And I didn't get this until we
were at a water park one day and my son were there for like 2
hours and he goes, how much long we going to be?
Her dad and I go all day. Why?
What? What's going on?
He said I just really wanted to get home.
You want to go home? We're at a water park, man.
It's hot outside. What's going on?
So what's really going on? My kids are really honest with
me. He goes, well, I have 1/2 hour
left on Minecraft. I'm like, wow, do you want to
sacrifice the rest of your day at a water park for 30 minutes
on Minecraft? Interesting.
That's the lure of this. So we had to draw back and and
start changing the way we allow our kids to interact with this.
And so one day, as I realized, I said I don't want to,
particularly with what we just lived through.
I don't want to teach my children to just bow to
authority. I don't want.
I'm not the dad that says do it because I said so.
That's now you're teaching them to not logically respect the
choice and understand the choice.
Just do it because someone bigger than you, more powerful
than you said do it. What age bracket are your are
your kids that are making these decisions?
Right now they're 9:00 and 12:00.
They just turned 9. And 12:00.
So out of curiosity, before you get too deep into that, when did
you start going with the I'm going to let you choose your
path and I'm going to give you kind of the two options as I see
it. What?
What age brackets you you dive into that?
Five or six, Each of them five or six.
You know and I've got a six year old right now.
So I'm just trying to, I'm kind of engaging how the response
looks. Obviously there's your 4 year
old doesn't do real well with that.
Yeah, you know there's there's you grow with it.
You know, you know how much rope to give them.
And so you grow with it and you realize this is too much to put
on a little guy to make choices like this.
And and then as they get a little bit older, you realize
they're they're more and more capable of making responsible
choices. And and the way that I found, we
reached the point where I told my wife, I said, you know, I'm
hearing both of us raise our voice too much.
And that's not cool because I know what happens.
They're going to rebel against their voice.
And our voice right now holds a lot of power.
The boys really listen to us and they really respect us.
And I don't want to ever cross that bridge where suddenly now
the voice is just noise and it's a nuisance and whatever, Dad, I
don't want to reach that. We don't have to reach that.
Some people think that's just a normal.
That's just a natural process. But it's not.
It's become normal, but we're also very confused between
what's normal and what's natural.
It's not natural and other cultures, the older a parent got
until even grandparents the the the younger generations gained
more respect for them because they were actually taught that
the older you are the wiser you are In our culture.
It's the older you are, the more, you know, detached you are
from anything cool and and you don't understand the iPhone, so
you can't be that cool. And so I I sat down with my boys
one night. I said, you know how I don't
want to do this where we're just constantly telling them, you
know, they can't have something that they love.
So I sat down and I said, hey guys, I want to tell you a
little story. And I said, first of all, I want
you to picture a virgin wheat field.
And my little guy goes, what's virgin mean?
I said, I mean untouched. Like no one's ever walked in
that field. So like just picture, sun's
going down golden wheat field. And I said, I want you to
picture crossing that wheat field, walking through it once.
What happened to that wheat filled and they both got be
trampled. And I said, yeah, but it would
come back. You know that, right, Like in a
couple hours that the wheat would just pop back up and
that's what it does with gravity and it would do its job and it
would spring right back up. But if you walked that wheat,
filled every day for a year, and then all the animals started to
follow your path because that's what happens, and other people
started to follow your path, pretty soon, just like the
hiking trails we've been on, it would become a permanent dirt
path and the the wheat would just give way to that and it
would never come back again. So that's what happens.
You have neuro pathways in your mind and anything you do on a
repetitive basis basis digs a a rut.
The deeper the more you do, the longer per day you go, the
deeper that rut becomes. And these people, my boys, are
really keyed into what's really going on in the world.
I don't hold anything back from them.
I said these people that are trying to get into your mind and
indoctrinate you and turn you against your country and your
family and all of that, they are designing these games to create
that rut and then they know exactly what rut to channel
their information into. So you actually lose the minion
over the choices of that thought.
I say you've ever seen water run down a hill.
It will find a little crevice and instead of instead of it
being spread out, it gets stronger and faster once it gets
into the rut and it runs together downhill.
And it can expedite its journey downhill.
Well, in the same way, they can pump their thought into those
ruts. And it will rush so fast through
that rut that you won't even have a a chance to make your own
choice. Do you understand what I'm
talking about? That's the danger of doing that.
And so now I'm going to let you choose, you know, moving
forward. And that's when they started,
you know, my little guy started bringing me his iPad, saying I
was really tempted today to go over time.
And so I want you to hold this until next Friday when I'm
allowed to play with it because you realize he's like, this
stuff has power over me. Like I I get stuck I see a
thumbnail I go down the rabbit hole next thing I know and 1/2
hour has gone by and I said we all deal with that but trust me
and but he was he sort of make his own choice to realize I
don't want that to happen to my mind and you know and I always
tell them then This is why you want to have dominion over your
thoughts because you know if you want to create something
spectacular and and you want to innovate and you want to be a
leader and you want to be successful.
It all requires you to have all of your functions of your of
your mind working, and none of those ruts should be so deep
that all of your creative thoughts just get stuck in that
Channel and flushed away. You want to be able to have fire
on all the synapse and and you have a fully functional mind.
Yes. Is that what you want?
Because that's what I want. But maybe you don't.
They. Of course I do.
So okay. This is what I'm protecting you
from and this is what I'm fighting for with you.
And then they understand. Now it's not just Dad taking
something away from me, it's Dad fighting for me.
And that makes a big difference in how children learn and listen
to their parents. It's a really intense
conversation with a young person, but also very
impressive. It sounds like you have
exceptional sons. Do you think Americans want to
maintain those pathways of creativity and think on their
own and not be owned by technology?
That's a great question because the answer is yes and no.
Intrinsically, primarily yes. But because we become so
conditioned to follow the leader and have realized that when we
follow the leader that we can also escape responsibility.
That's what it is. People don't want to be
responsible. They don't want to go.
I actually caused this. That divorce was my fault.
Oops, oops. That my my kids are messed up.
And it's probably because I didn't really even look into the
school I enrolled them in. I didn't meet with the teacher.
I just it was the closest school.
It was 2 miles away. So I said yes.
They don't want to understand like you, the choices that you
made out of your addiction to comfort and convenience is
probably why those things, elements of your life, are not
working. And so I there are a lot of
people that just want to be told what to do because they don't
want to be responsible for their choices.
And then they can just blame it on it.
You know, it's Biden's fault. Oh, it's Trump's fault.
It's whatever. It's like I OK.
But the every time we do that, we're giving our power to those
people and to others. We're giving our power away the
moment we say, how did I create this?
And I may not be been the one that facilitated, but I I
somehow participated in this. And this is the This is the
moment for us to wake up, particularly as men, to just
really own our behavior of the last several decades, to to ask
ourselves tough questions Like like how much time have I given
my children compared to how much time I've given televised
sports. Oh, a lot of fathers don't want
to ask themselves that one because they've given themselves
hours a day with their favorite sports, you know, team and then
not that with their children, you know, and they can tell you,
you know, the arm length and the, the free throw average of
all their favorite players. We ask them their child's
favorite color and they'll go, I don't know.
And it's like, well, that's a little topsy turvy.
It's a little backwards, the thing that you should care about
most, the thing that you should know about most.
And that's really a calling for us to become intimately involved
with our children again, particularly at a on a verbal
level, to come back to having real dialogues with our children
every single day. It not a day goes by that I
don't sit down and at least say tell me your favorite part of
the date of your day today. Why was that so cool or why was
that so bad or what? What happened with that?
And and I you met a new friend today.
What was he like? What was she like?
Cool. Tell me about that.
Let me engage and let me really listen to them and ask
questions. They can tell the difference.
When I'm going, I'm flipping through my phone looking around.
They can feel it. But when I'm like, that's
interesting. I'm laughing at the stuff that's
funny and I'm and I'm and I'm, you know, I'm leaning in.
They they feel that and they they they grow up knowing that
their voice matters. And look at what we're doing
right now with our society. So many people are just like
they don't know how much their voice matters.
If we all spoke up right now, if that was just one action, I
could, I could wave a magic wand and and to make the world a
better place right now it'd be use your damn voice.
Like speak up, everybody who's afraid to lose their job, who
sees the tyranny right in front of them.
But they're like, I just can't lose my job.
Guess what? You're going to lose your job if
you don't speak out. That's what's coming.
So it's like it it's prolonged. You might have it for another
six months or a year. But it's common.
If you really want to save your job, speak up.
Because if that job, if you lose a job because you speak out,
that's not the job you want and you got to trust that there's
something else that's waiting there for you.
There's something divine that's orchestrating this, this
experience we call life. And all I know is everyone I've
interviewed. Of course, I've only interviewed
people who've spoken out because they're the ones that are
worthwhile sitting down with and and they've all, I've asked them
all the same question, Do you regret speaking out?
100% of the people say, oh God no.
It's like I didn't have my. I didn't know my purpose was
until I spoke out. It was bad in the beginning.
Yeah. It was shocking to have your
friends and family turn on you and but then you realize those
aren't my friends and if my family's that shallow F them,
I'm moving on. It's like it honestly it's like
you're not going to I'm not invited to Thanksgiving anymore
because I wouldn't allow an experimental toxin injected into
my bloodstream. You know I'm the bad one.
It's like okay you got to deal with that and look they'll come
around in time. They're all learning, waking up
and and then be there to forgive them, be there to understand
they were in under hypnotic spell.
They love you. It has nothing to do with love.
It actually has a lot to do with love.
That was their love for life. They're so afraid to die because
they love life that they're willing to cast people that they
love out of their lives. So if you can just realize
there's something benevolent and beautiful at the core of that
reaction that the media and all the hypnotizers are aware of and
using against us, and and then learn how to redirect that love
for life into something that's not coerced by fear but that's
pulled by our reverence for life.
There's something very enlightened about what you just
said right there. I'm going to have to take a
moment to process it. I want to go back.
I also want to talk about what the the the compliance with
tyranny, which I think is a relevant experience for most
people recently at trying to comply their way out of it.
Maybe we can touch on just your historical analysis from looking
back. It's particularly with this
perspective. Have people always been willing
to surrender agency in order to reduce their responsibility?
Do you think that's a, is that a human condition?
Is that an American condition? Is that a recent phenomenon?
Where, where does that fit, you think?
Well, I've only been here 50 years.
I would say my experience of this life, it's it's always been
the way it is, is that people have been led for generations
into believing that there are others that are more suited in
leading their personal lives. And if we just elect the right
person, everything's going to change.
Never has, never will. Can improvements take place?
Absolutely. And I think there's some
improvements that are about to take place in 2024.
It's going to get a heck of a lot worse before it gets better.
But I I am very optimistic about what's coming.
But is that the end all? No.
We'll be right back in this position in a few years if we
don't wake up and take responsibility for how we got
here. And but I there's a reason I
called my latest movie, The Great Awakening, because I
believe that that's what we're living in right now is a great
awakening where people are remembering truly who and what
they are. And that on one hand, when you
go, it's just so sad that we've lost trust in everything, The
very industry and people that we're supposed to have most
trust for our medical industry of anything.
I mean, we're supposed we should trust them more than our our,
our neighborhood priest. Because these are the people
that are dealing with your life, your health, the ones that you
go to. When you say something's wrong
with me, What is it? What should I do to correct it
so I can continue living? We've realized that there's a
great majority of them that are either incredibly wicked, but
the vast majority are just horribly educated by Rockefeller
medicine and have been trained and they didn't know how
indoctrinated. This is why I called Pandemic 2
indoctrination, because all the doctors are indoctrinated.
But we've reached this point of going I don't trust the
hospitals. Now I have a movie coming out
called Bad Medicine about I think horrible things that have
happened and continue to happen in the hospitals today with
Remdesivir and ventilators killing most of the COVID deaths
are people that were killed by this bio weapon.
And and it's it's a real scary thing to consider that and
especially when you see the evidence and you hear the the
numerous testimonies of people who literally went in for a
broken elbow. And next thing you know they're
they're testing positive for COVID and they're on Remdesivir
and having kidney failure and having it ventilator shoved down
their throat and they're suffocating to death or they're
dead. How many times I've heard that
story in the past two years, it's frightening.
But in answer to your question I think it goes back to what I
said a moment ago. It's become normal that we
submit to these authoritarian voices, but it's not natural.
We were here and born to be sovereign, independent people on
this planet to contribute. It's like the cells in in in
your body, trillions of cells in your body.
There's no, it's not like a beehive where there's a work or
bee that everyone's enslaved to. It's each cell has a job, and in
its job is vital to the survival of that Organism called your
body. And it might be the cell at the
tip of your right toe and the crown of your head.
And there's cells in both and even though they're they're
separated by the maximum distance, they're working for
the same purpose and that is to bring life to that Organism of
yours. And we as a metaphor, we are the
cells in the body of life, these humans, and we're diseased
because we're killing each other.
So if it's cells in your body start to fight the red cells
start to fight the the the the white cells you have disease and
and that's what's happened on the planet here is we don't
understand that we're all part of the same Organism and we've
been turned against each other. Look at it.
Look at the way they just keep slicing and dicing us.
This is all part of the divide and conquer game.
I think of one of the greatest examples of it is the L, GB, TQI
plus whatever the heck it's at today.
Because used to be gay people that it was gay and bisexual.
That one. That makes sense.
Gay and bisexual. All the women want to be called
lesbian. I remember when I first heard
that I was like, what? What does that mean?
That's weird. Why aren't they just women?
Got it. Gay, lesbian, mysexual.
OK, three things. God, I can remember that.
And now it's like, oh wow, where's this thing gone?
That's a perfect metaphor for the way that they divide us,
right? Race and height and weight and
and class and territory. It's the more they can divide us
to where we keep seeing our differences instead of our vast
similarities. Just meeting at the place called
humanity. Like we're cells in the body.
It just meeting there, going our life depends on us, all of us.
And we're all we're all critical.
We're all here. This is a guy that coined a
phrase I used for years. I I was a nihilist, an atheist.
I said we're just Moss on a rock, people.
You're all trying to make sense out of something that's
meaningless, Moss on a rock. We're just growing with a little
bit of consciousness, a little bit of free will, trying to make
it mean something. I have grown out of that now
because I I do believe that there is a very calculated
experience that we have come here to find ourselves in and to
fight for the the reverence of life itself, of of evolution, of
growing, of learning. There's something in there.
I've seen it too many times. I've experienced it directly too
many times that this life isn't just happenstance.
There's something really divine and magical behind the scenes,
and the more that we can slow down and and open up to
perceiving what that might be. I've I I've stayed away from the
word God forever until just the past few years.
Now I'm not afraid to use anymore.
Because that's interesting. It's very interesting,
particularly for me, if you know where I came from with all of
that. And it's like I can't deny
anymore. And I know that the more I allow
that to be part of my life, the better my life gets.
And that's what matters to me. The end result is like I I want
to like everyone else. I I want to have a good life.
I want to be happy and healthy. Above all, I want my wife and my
children to be happy and healthy and to know how to generate
that. To not think that somebody
else's responsibility to give them, but they generate it.
Selfgeneration and and all I know is that when I have an
awareness that there is a divine intelligence working through me
for me that. Life starts to fall into place
and these little dramas that used to happen daily, I just
don't know where they went to. But they're thank God they're
not there anymore. That's often at least I'd still
deal with you know, stuff that comes up and challenges.
But for the most part life flows and I'm.
I'm in love with the love of my life and I could not have a
better relationship with my children and what what could be
more important? I don't know.
I been everywhere, experienced everything and nothing could top
this experience of having a healthy, happy family.
I think that's probably universally true that there's 1A
universal experience of the divine and then two I don't know
that there's any culture that is that is shunned family or or a
productive family. So it's it's an interesting
thing to arrive at from a place that was the alternative.
For that let me let me lean into a little questions about the the
names of the the films that you've done.
So you've done three of them they they started off shorter.
It looks like they got progressively longer and.
Endemic 3 Now The Great Awakening.
In fact, Ryan and I were just talking about this before we
came on and did this interview. And the question is, if there's
a great awakening, it implies that people are asleep, which
means we have to. I I come from a very skeptical
background of everything. So you have to prove to me when
you give me a a a case when I was an investigator that there
was even a crime. You've alleged a crime, but was
there a crime? Did it even line up with the
statute? And so for there to be a great
awakening, we need to have people asleep.
What do you think the elements are that that showed you that
people were asleep and then? And.
And what makes you think that they're waking up or or what
will help them wake up, if that's the case?
Well, I know because I was asleep.
And so I know what it feels like to wake up.
And it's been a process since 2016, when I was on the road
with Bernie Sanders as a filmmaker, helping to grow his
grassroots campaign, that I I realized as I started to ask
tough questions to this democratic socialist movement
that we were encountering at every stop from Los Angeles all
the way to Philadelphia, that there are a lot of really good
people that were fiercely supporting Bernie but didn't
fully understand what they were supporting.
And I was one of them. I started to ask questions like
I have at the beginning of the Great Awakening when I when I
realized that I asked, you know, group of young groups of young
people what, what's the difference between socialism and
democratic socialism? You know they have these I catch
phrases that they throw at and but the more I drill I'm
professional interviewer. So I I don't just settle for the
first answer I asked just like you just said I asked to make
sense to me. I don't get that.
I'm going to ask you again, maybe another way, maybe a
deeper question until I understand what you mean here.
And I'm not a big fan of word salads.
And so I I would ask again well how what is how does that vary
from the old socialism? Well, it's socialism.
But this is by and for The reason it didn't work before,
and it was deadly and horrible, was because that was controlled
by, you know, oligarchs and all of that.
And, OK, so how is democratic socialism?
What is that? What?
Who controls that? Well, democracy by and for the
people. So the people control it.
And I go, OK, and now democracy, socialism is about owning the
means of production and making sure that there's no one at the
bottom, which sounds cool to me. And you're helping.
Everyone's helping each other. And and the the Uber rich, the,
you know, they get taxed more so that the people at the bottom
aren't suffering. There isn't such a gap in
classes. Yes.
Cool. Who collects those taxes?
And they would go, I guess that'd be the the government.
And I'd say, do you trust the government?
Of course. Everyone.
No. No.
And I'd say, and do you, do you approve of the way the
government spends your tax money now?
No. Do you understand that you,
you're telling me you want to give them more.
So you want all the wealthy people who have innovated and
built their businesses, very successful.
You want to tax them up to. Some people are saying 90%.
Wow, that's crazy. What do you think that's going
to do to them? First of all, think about that.
You know, they they don't care because they're the rich,
they're the 1%. Well, you should care because
you have to understand most of those people are the ones who
provide jobs for the rest of the people.
And a lot of those people are actually the innovators who are
creating things that actually allow this country to be a
leader. And without that innovation,
without those creations, then how do we advance as a society
and how do we stay up with, You know, if at the time I was into,
you know, alternative energies and all that, how, how are we
going to advance to find better energies than coal and oil,
which I completely reverse my awareness of the practicality
and importance of oil at this point.
But then I was way against it, protesting against pipelines,
shutting down banks with Jane Fond and all of that.
And but I said that, you know, you understand, like this
doesn't. And some people would admit it.
They go, I haven't really thought about this that deep.
I just like Bernie Okay. Cool.
That's awesome. And that's when I said, you
know, the first question was, are these people hypnotized?
Because this. I don't think they're dumb.
A lot of might say what what's your education?
Because I started to realize there's a real correlation
between crazy ideas and university.
That's when I started going to most of the people who have
really crazy ideas, they all studied under some Marxist
professor. Interesting.
And so they believed that because they were, they were
bred and parented into obeying authority.
And if they have a professor, this guy must be right.
That's their teacher. They're paying, you know,
$80,000 a year to learn from this person.
They can't be wrong or why would they be paying them?
It would make them stupid And and so they end up, you know,
not understanding even what they're supporting.
So the moment I said, are they hypnotized?
Then I realized, well, I'm part of them and I'm kind of here
too, fiercely supporting Bernie and not really understanding
what I'm supporting. Am I hypnotized?
And the moment I asked that question, it was like I say in
the movie, it was like a faith healing because I started
noticing things that I were right in front of me this whole
journey, but I couldn't see them.
I started realizing, wait a minute, that's a sickle and
hammer sticker on your laptop. What?
That's that's a communist sticker.
What's that doing there? Oh, here's a Che Guevara shirt
and hat and things on water bottles.
And I sort of realizing I was surrounded by want to be
communist. And I and I couldn't believe it.
Then I started saying, is that like, are you trying to be edgy
or what? What is that about?
Why are you why are you supporting linen?
What? You know what happened?
What linen did right now is a Dong.
What? He killed 80 million people.
Why is that a hero? They all had some crazy story of
why these people had the right political ideologies, the the,
the, the most deadly dictators of all time And that's when I
went, whoa, wow, I didn't I didn't know I was involved in
this and and then I withdrew my support online and for the 1st
and then saw the fragility of that.
I call it being bonded by agreement.
That's the problem with any relationship that's bonded by
agreement, particularly the relationships that are
established on the left. They're they're they're all
bonds through agreement, like you have to check every box.
We agree with ideologies. We're not here to celebrate each
other and our individuality. We're here as a collective to
make sure that we agree with all of it.
You can say men can dress in dresses and identify however
they want that the moment you say I don't think biological men
should be competing in combat sports against women, then
you're out of the club. That's it.
You have to agree, check every box.
And I didn't realize that I was, you know, kind of a I'd just
fallen into being part of that collective.
And the moment I came out to say I I am no longer support this.
Then I was called a traitor and I was their number one target
for a while. And I was like interesting how
fast you can go from being the poster child and the hero.
I just people like, thank you so much for all the work you're
doing to support Bernie. And I saw the video you made.
That was great. And that was wonderful.
To suddenly being like, you know, you have a step foot in
our neighborhood and you might not make it out.
Like threats, death threats. I was like, wow, this is.
I was in a cult. I didn't even know it.
Well, you use the word. And so I want to touch that just
a second. One of the arguments I make is
that Progressive Lessism is essentially A secular religion.
It's devoid of God, which is one of the scary, sad things about
it. So there's no redemption, but
there is all the other tenants. They have all these, sort of.
Competing beliefs that have to be accepted by faith.
You just talked about a couple of them, and the minute that you
step out of line from that and you're no longer part of the
community, you get excommunicated.
You're a heretic or an apostate. And we can see how organized
religions have treated people like that over the last thousand
years. And it's not, it's not a good
experience. We do it digitally now,
thankfully, for the most part, you said you got actual death
threats, but I'm guessing nobody actually followed through with
physical violence towards you. Is that?
Is that a fair assumption? Yeah, that's fair that they all
just talk. They're all.
But they have those same
feelings of rage and anger, and they have that same sort of
feeling of betrayal of the cause, which, like you said,
bonded by agreement. That's your that's.
Did you coin that phrase? Yeah, I think so.
I've never heard it before, so it's very interesting to be as
long as you agree with the tenants of our our belief
system, then you're part of the club.
And the minute you start recognizing that cognitive
dissonance, then it gets weird. Yeah, it's the same thing that
even people need to understand their own marriages, too.
You know, it's not just a political thing or a tribal
thing, but it's a lot of people in relationships because they
they agreed upon something and something felt like there was a
fit. It didn't really necessarily
have to do with love or attraction or pheromones or
anything like that. But just we agree and we we both
like whatever it might be, you know, we're we're, you see a lot
of people out there. We just got back.
My son turned 12 and we were at Universal Orlando and we're
walking through Harry Potter Ville or land or whatever it is
and and I'm seeing these you know, 20-30 year old couples
with magic wands in their hand and the Harry Potter robes on.
And you know, part of it's sometimes it's cute and
sometimes it's like like what what is going on here?
And and they're both. They're both dressed like this,
you know, and and you have to you know that that's an example
of where like they probably met on a Harry Potter chat line.
And because they have Harry Potter in common, they get
together. But what happens when, you know,
hopefully, hopefully one or both of them will grow out of that
one day. What happens when they're 35 and
they go, yeah, I'm kind of done with Harry Potter.
Will that love still be there? Right.
You know, that's the question. I mean, it's a, it's a really.
Troubling thing to see from the outside because you've got the
the age and the experience to go look at it and just think like
this is probably not sustainable forever.
It's the I used to see the same thing in the 90s with the the
Juggalo movement. Do you remember them?
The Insane Clown Posse. If you base your entire sort of
identity about your love of this band, and I mean it could be
anything, it'd be jam bands. There's people that like fish
and go everywhere with that and you just think it is that enough
to sustain a permanent connection through some really
difficult times and there could be some really difficult times
which. We've just gone through a couple
years of it. I think a lot of people, you
know, maybe it does, maybe, maybe if you have fish in
common, you can handle whatever, whatever comes your way.
But my suspicion is probably not it doesn't seem.
To be the way it stacks up usually.
Well the you know and the the shallowness of it is so apparent
when you really consider I've had friends who have moved from
LA where I came from to Texas and they go from being you know
LA sports fan Lakers to they get the Texas now they're whatever
the team is or something. Yeah.
Right. So it's like so it's so
interesting right. It's this territorial thing It's
like no more now now LA is the enemy now they're battling
against because they live here and it's such a funny thing.
You know there's there's a part of that that I I think is
innocent. I'm I'm an athlete I I coach
baseball and and so I I I get it.
You know it's a it's a a good thing to be involved in
competitive sports I believe particularly as as a boy to have
boys involved in that they learn team building and and you know
how to deal with defeat and and how to push themselves beyond
limits beyond the comfort zone. So it's it's incredibly
valuable, but just that that tribalism to see how how fragile
it is, how it can just shift, you know, in a moment's notice.
And I saw people that, you know, Speaking of Harry Potter, I saw,
you know, cuz the author, what's her name?
JK Rollins, JK Rollins. You know, I saw people that just
because she came out and said things that they didn't like her
saying. Yeah, she wants women to be in
women's spaces and not have men in their in their locker room.
What a nut. What a kook.
What a crazy nut. Yeah, but because she came out
and spoke her mind, right? You know, then suddenly these
lifelong Potter fanatics were like, I'm done.
And burning her books, or burning her books and their
robes and everything. So again, it's like, look how
fragile that is. So, So because the person who
wrote the book doesn't agree with every doesn't check every
box you check politically. A movie that obviously has
brought you some joy and some some kind of reward, at least at
the identity level, that she's the enemy all of a sudden.
And that whole thing that was your obsession just two minutes
ago is over now. And so that's that's bonded by
agreement. You know, they're bonded by
bonded to Harry Potter through the story, but they're also
bonded by making sure that the person writing the story is in
agreement with them. And that's what's so fragile.
I saw so many when Pandemic One came out, I saw so many people.
There were a couple that I knew for over 20 years, but I call
Brother and I'm not the kind of guy that just calls everyone
brother, I'm I'm. You're not like the Hulk Hogan
type where everybody or or or what's his name?
Cornell. Cornell West who?
Everyone's My brother. My brother.
That's too much for me too. And you know, I get it, you
know, because we are brothers and sisters.
I get it. But I don't.
I just don't throw that word around lightly until I really
meet somebody and I go this feels like a brother, you know?
And then I'll use the word and and you know, it's.
Where the hell was I going? I don't even know.
Just. The frailty of this, the
fragileness is the first. That's pretty much it.
Yeah. It's just it's, you know, we go
from that to just, you know that this person is your enemy
overnight and that's. That feels really new.
Is it? Is it just me?
I don't remember growing up with that.
Like, like you must agree with everything I'm about or we
cannot even be close. I don't know.
As a matter of fact. As a matter of fact, I spent a
great deal of my life meeting with people only because they
were so different from me. My mom would drop us off.
We had our born and raised in Sacramento and there was a a
mall, Sunrise Mall, and and that was the big outing for me as a
child, right? We're going to take your
friends. We're going to drop you off at
the arcade at the Sunrise Mall. And there were times when she'd
come to the arcade to pick us up.
And she's like, where is where? Where my friends would be in
there playing. They're like, oh, he left a
couple hours ago. She went, what do you mean?
He left and she'd find me. I'd be sitting at the at the
fountain next to some old man. She'd be like, oh, hey, time to
go. She'd go, what are you doing?
Said I'm talking to, oh, my God, this old man, he was in World
War 2, Mom. He got shot in the leg and
whatever. It's like, why are you so
interested in all these stories with people?
It's like I just was fascinated. And so I carry that on in my
adult life where it's like I love to interview people that
were like into stuff that I thought was bizarre.
There's no way that's for me. But that's so fascinating to sit
down with someone and and even politically.
You know, when I first started doing political stuff, I was
fascinated by people who would, you know, praise someone that I
looked at and thought that's the least interesting person in the
world. And yet they're so, you know,
devoted to this person. How interesting Like, what
causes that and and and But yeah, you're right.
Nowadays everyone's looking for the sameness and that's boring
to me. That's boring.
I don't want everyone to agree with me.
I love, you know, when I'm on podcast and someone will be
like, you know, I really loved your movie.
But there's, you know, one thing I really got to push back on.
Awesome. Let's go.
Right, awesome. That was, that was, that was
literally the fodder for all bar conversations in my youth.
This is. It's like I saw this thing and I
saw, you know, this take on it and someone goes, you're totally
wrong. It was actually, you know,
something else. And you go how how did you come
up with that? And then they tell you, and then
you're not mad at them. It's more fascinating.
Doctor Drew actually said that Doctor Drew Penske, who, you
know, I grew up listening to Loveline.
I don't remember you were young enough to or young enough at the
time when it was like really interesting.
I was a, you know, teenager and listening to him and going like,
oh, I was learning about sex from from the radio because I
was a radio nerd. My dad was in radio.
And so I'm listening to this guy and he goes, if a doctor came up
with a with a conclusion that was totally different than what
I saw and what I believed and what I'd been observing with my
patient, I would send him an e-mail or I would call him and
say let's have a conversation. I'd really like to know what
you're seeing. Because I don't get it out of
fascination, but but not as a threatened way.
And today it feels like maybe, maybe this is, maybe this is the
nuance of it. When people take on ideas, they
make that their core, I don't know, value their their their
reality. And then you're attacking their
either the reality or their value system.
And so if we don't agree with them, you're not even a value,
you're you're you're attacking me.
It's not just my words, literally their identity.
And so we have become obsessed with identity politics.
It's all about the people and not the policies and that's
where we make the massive mistakes and and not recognizing
you know I don't like the way Trump talked and I don't like
the way he was mean and he did this tweets and whatever.
Cool. What's he doing right.
How's your 401K look exactly. Do you understand that people
are have food on the table that didn't have it yesterday.
Do you understand that there's a lot happening for minorities and
women that have never happened before in this country that
you're on? He's undoing a lot of the truly
systemic racism that was plaguing this country.
Like you know like the three strikes you're out prison
situation that you know that imprisoned a generation of brown
and primarily brown and black men and with with life sentences
for some some of them having a joint on them.
You know like real harsh things that were being undone that we
have you know peace talks with Russia and Korea and like
there's some massive things that were happening.
And I went from I went swept under.
Yeah I I went from really not liking him to having a
conversation. His former wife Marla Maples is
very different of mine and and we had a conversation when when
Trump was president and she knew, she knew that I wasn't a
big fan of of him and she told me, she said.
One thing I guess she goes, look, I'm, I'm exwife.
So of course I have my complaints, of course.
But I cannot deny that my time with him, what he showed me, was
that man loves this country. He talked about it all the time.
He was so hurt by what was happening to it that he said if
he ever has to jump in, he will. He doesn't want to, but he will.
And he use all of his power that he's accumulated to do his best
to save this country. She goes that I know is real
because I was with him and I went really, wow, I thought he
was just super selfish, greedy, real estate mogul guy that was
like, no, no, he's losing a lot of money right now.
Business could be a lot easier. And I said, wow, that's good.
So thank you for that. Let me start opening my mind and
heart to get off of what I just mentioned, get off of the fact
that he, he can, you know, be offensive.
And I actually learned to love that after a while.
I mean, we need to people need to thicken their skin and start
saying what they feel again. You know, people are so fragile
that of of course, if we're going to honor free speech, free
speech doesn't always feel good, you know, but let somebody speak
the way they speak. Are we strong enough are we big
enough as people to to to to know how to navigate that stuff
that we don't like and and could it be valuable for us to endure
things because when we insulate ourselves from the real world
there's mean people out there. A lot of rude people out there.
And if and I, you know I set my kids down when they were about
your your kids age 5-6 years old both of them.
And I put them through a process that we called bullyproof.
I said I'm going to make you bullyproof.
I'm going to tell you a bunch of names that inevitably you're
going to be called, and they had never heard one of them.
Every Every boy gets called this, you're going to get called
this. You're going to be at the arcade
or the trampoline park or somewhere, not your little
school that we helped create because those kids, they're
being taught a very special way. But you end up out in public.
You're going to be called a queer, this or that, whatever.
I told them what does that mean? This is what it means.
And this is and taught them so that my when my kids had the
first experience with bullies when they they both have had at
least one apiece, my little one actually got beat up pretty
severely by a 13 year old girl when he was 7.
And and but both of them had the same reaction.
I had to sit down and just to make sure there's no trauma.
I don't want him to take trauma with that.
There's a way that you can speak with your children post event to
make sure that they can process what happened and understand
that golden rule. It didn't happen to you.
It happened for you. So if it happened for you,
what's the value and what's the lesson in this?
And both boys said to me at their separate times after
having dealt with encountered a a bully.
They said something very similar which was something akin to it
just makes me really feel sad for that kid.
I wonder what happened to him that he would be so mean.
So yeah, there you go. Now you know it's not about you
it's about them and and now you're already applying
compassion towards somebody who just bullied you.
How awesome is that? For that age that will keep you
from, keep it from sticking to you like the way it stuck to me
as a kid. You know there were you.
Didn't have that same experience then you didn't have that same
talk, obviously. No, I was raised with a single
mom, should have 443 teenagers by the time I came along.
So there was a lot of, a lot of life that I had to learn on my
own. And again, perfect.
Didn't happen to me, happened for me, but absolutely I had to
deal with. I got so insecure for a while
because I was really tall at a very young age and really
skinny. And so, you know, I was called
daddy long legs and chicken legs and all kinds of stuff.
And so I became so insecure that I'd wear a pair of sweatpants
under my jeans just to give me a little more bulk, you know.
And I wore shoes 2 sizes too small, which created serious
issues in my. I still have toes that curl
under a little bit. All because there was like my
feet were so big and people were making fun of my foot size.
And and you know, I didn't have the tools I wish I had.
But again, it's perfect. It's divine.
That's my life's path that I I had to, you know, suffer through
things that I actually didn't have to, but I chose to because
I didn't have the tools to navigate them that my sons do
have that I didn't have. And and again, though I tell
them all the time, when they, you know, they'll make a choice,
that's that clearly there's a higher choice and they make a
lower choice. And I say well for some reason
you need to experience the the you know the challenging side of
this lesson. What that what might that be,
you know and and they'll you know they're very emotionally
literate. I'm, I'm super I love talking to
my kids because they just amaze me sometimes.
You know that I was, I was on stage this last Saturday and
there was somebody who was speaking and this person we love
very, very much. And sometimes they get lost in
thought when they're speaking and what they say makes no sense
and you can see the audience going what's going on here.
And so when we got in the car after the talk, I started
talking to my wife. I said, you know, I'm I'm just,
I need to really reach out to her.
Because when she gets into that mode of sharing stories, she
doesn't always consider that the audience doesn't know these
names she's talking about. She needs to give some context
to what she's saying. Otherwise she's just throwing
out random names and telling stories as if everyone in the,
you know, and I started sharing this and my 12 year old goes,
you notice like that he goes it almost appeared that her mind is
spiraling. And he gave this incredible
metaphor. He goes it's like a spiral and
her mind is spiraling. And every now and then a thought
drops out of the spiral and it comes out of her mouth.
And he gave me this metaphor and I went that's actually really
brilliant, buddy. Like, wow.
That's exactly. That's how the cognitive process
works. Like you just nailed it.
And having the ability to observe something happening
physically and then turning it into a metaphor that can be
understood as a teaching tool is a really incredible gift to to
leave your children because they apply that to themselves.
So when they have a situation that occurs to them, they don't
necessarily get caught up in the trauma and drama of it as much
as the scientific. You know, like what just
happened to me here, I got really upset.
They can start to analyze that. Like, my mind was spiraling and
then I just started throwing stuff out.
And that's, you know, they can understand their own process
because what most people do, most adults do, is they'll have
an experience and then they spend a lot of time trying to
justify the bad behavior. And all that does is prolong the
bad behavior. The moment we can say, I, you
know, I denounced that bad behavior, that was me.
I take responsibility for it. The moment we do, we're shining
light on it and it no longer has power over us.
But this is one of the reasons I believe that we keep saying
history keeps repeating itself because we don't learn, we don't
move, we don't evolve past these pass these problems because
we're we're so wanting to justify that it was somebody
else who made us do this. I had a kind of a weird
reflection on the history keeps repeating itself, peace if you
will. And everyone always thinks that
it's us that is doing the same history over and over again.
But I I have the sense and I don't know if it's true or not,
but this is kind of where I'm laid like sitting in the last
couple weeks. We don't know what happened to
people historically and we tolerate that happening to us
again by people who are pulling all the levers.
You mentioned a narrative and and all this sort of industry
that is built up to go after and kind of shape behavior and so
on. And and I feel like if you're
not aware of how that's happened historically, then you 100% will
experience what people historically did tyranny and so
on because you have other people have tolerated before you and
you don't know any better. And so often times, it's not
even a question of whether or not you know whether or not.
You're going to repeat somebody else's mistakes.
You're just going to tolerate someone repeating the same sort
of bad behavior on you because you didn't see it coming,
because how could you? Because you weren't aware of it.
Of all the deadly ideas out there that we hold on to, one of
the most deadly is the idea that that can never happen here.
That's what has allowed these things to continue to occur in
places that people would have bet their lives that would never
happen there. And so we have to realize
there's a misconception that we have that we're in a different
age now and we are much more enlightened than we were before,
much wiser. We've learned from our mistakes,
and look how technologically advanced we are.
What that does is it has us missed the fact that these
things continue to happen? They just, they're just
shapeshifters. They happen in a different way.
They happen incrementally. A lot of these things happen
incrementally and when something happens so much, when our lives
are moving so fast, we have so much mental momentum and we're
so busy, which everyone's busy right now, right.
Everybody is just trying to trying to get a meeting into
people's like I just might say Tuesday, Wednesday 3rd, Friday,
the whole time on Sunday. But you know, everybody's busy.
And that's all by design because when we're, when we're just
filled, there's no space for to stop and to contemplate.
That's when things happen. It's kind of like, you know, if
you look take a look at your yard and if you see your yard
every day, you you don't even know that it's growing.
But if you step away for two weeks and you come back, you're
like, whoa, that sucker grows fast.
And it's that, it's that being unaware for just enough of a
period of time that something happens without your knowing.
And so a lot of these things happen are are are set to happen
so incrementally and sometimes so right in front of us and
wrapped in a beautiful benevolent package that we look
past it because we think, well, no, this is good.
I'm looking for the stuff that's bad.
I'm here to protect myself and I have this primal thing in me
that says I have to find, you know, the dangers of the world.
This isn't dangerous, though, this, you know, And then we look
past it because it was wrapped in, you know, climate awareness
or some great story of of, you know, how how wonderful this
thing is and, you know, the vaccine, it's a miracle, you
know, and and and and they start a narrative that it's just
what's a gift from God and science and oh, how incredible
that they were able to whip something up in such a short
period of time. You know, so many of us went,
that's bad. That's never good.
That's not a good thing. You shouldn't be celebrating
that you could whip up a vaccine in seven months.
That's a bad thing. Nothing makes that good.
How did you decide that? How did it come to you that
someone said we have a we have a vaccine.
We've done it in the short time we've created a medical miracle.
How did you know that was bad? What?
How did you know that was anything?
How did you have a feeling on it?
Well, because you can't do longterm studies in a short
period of time. I mean it's just it's math and
so you can't you you know that these things take 7 to 12 years
or so before you know it's the long term study and and so the
idea that you can do it for a short period of time is no
different than saying I'm going to chop off my head and stand on
it so I can be taller. You know it's ridiculous.
It's it just it doesn't work that way.
So just knowing that principle, that scientific principle, had
people. Anyone who you know understood
that science was something much bigger than little Anthony Fauci
knew right away. You can't do this.
This has never been done. It should, should never be done,
because time is the thing that tells all and we don't know all
yet. So to mandate something that we
have no idea what it's going to do, there's a lot of us that did
know. We knew.
We knew ahead of time. This is.
This about the death rates. Did those ever, Did you ever
feel like that was? Good information coming your
way. Were you skeptical of any of the
other sort of stats and data that was driving the behavior?
Well, I I knew all of it was the fraud from the beginning.
I have a video that I released two weeks after the pandemic was
announced and I said I'm going to make a prediction here and
that is this virus is manmade, intentionally released to kill
our economy. And to I talked about all the
things going on in politics to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and
all the stuff I said all of this is a diversion of false flag
from a bunch of stuff that's going down right now in the
world of politics and beyond. And so there and you know, my
brother was killed by a drug called AZT and that drug was
prescribed by Anthony Fauci in the 80s and 90s and it killed on
record 300,000 plus innocent people, which means probably 3
million people. And so I knew as soon as I saw
him at the helm of this, it blew my mind because I figured I knew
what he did in the 80s and 90s, and I figured this guy's got to
be either high in hiding somewhere or, you know, in
prison. I didn't.
I didn't keep track with him because back when my brother
died, we didn't have the Internet, so we weren't able to
research. And I wasn't a researcher or
anything like that. I was in my early 20s, and but I
when I saw him resurface, I was like, this is not going to go
well. People have no idea what we're
about to experience here. Can you touch on AZT just a
little bit too, just for folks that don't have that background?
AZT was a drug that was created as just like Remdesivir today of
today, a drug that was created and it was touted as the miracle
cure for anyone with HIV AIDS. And everyone who took it got
more sick right away. My brother was one of them who
he lived with AIDS for, I don't know, eight years or something
like that. He was a survivor and he
probably would have been alive today.
But you know he was told by his doctors they all said that
there's a new drug and it's it's it's a miracle.
And he started to take it and he became incredibly sick every
single day migraine headaches and diarrhea and throwing up and
got really skinny, started to look for the first time look
like an AIDS patient. He looked horrible from a, you
know kind of a, you know big good looking guy to just a
skeleton and and so my mom you know she started to her my
brother's friends, my brother was gay.
His community started to come to him and say and to tell my mom
because they all love my mom and and they say, you know it's it's
not the virus that's killing your son.
It's a medicine say, what do you mean?
Yeah, it's killing thousands of people.
You need to take him off that medicine.
And then she tuned into the, you know, latest news flash and
there would be Anthony Fauci surrounded by the top
celebrities of that age, Liza Minnelli and Liza Minnelli and
Elton John and all these people and and everyone's praising what
a genius and wonderful person he is.
And so. These are all icons in the gay
community that were celebrities, Gay celebrities that were had
the big voice, right? Exactly.
And so she's so my mom's left, like a lot of people experienced
just in the last three years, where she says, do I listen to a
bunch of people or do I listen to America's top Dr. do I listen
to science? And so she chose to keep my
brother on the medicine and she never said this out loud.
But I know this to be true. I think it's probably difficult
for a couple of people in my family.
When the Great Awakening came out and I exposed what I thought
in the beginning of the film, they haven't said anything, but
I'm sure it probably at least made a couple of them think I
said that it was grief. My mom was a cancer survivor
for, jeez, I don't know, 15 years.
And again she would have lived to a ripe old age.
But she died at 5834 days later, after the day my brother died 34
days later. My mom succumbed to her cancer
after fighting it off for 15 plus years.
And part of it was grief because she knew that the choice that
she had made, that she was coerced into and terrorized into
making, which was keep your son, the doctor said.
We understand. I know everybody's having an
issue with the side effects and they're all everyone's, you
know, feeling like your son is feeling.
But he'll his body's just acclimating to the new medicine
and and once that's over, it will save his life.
Otherwise your son will die and and to have her son suddenly die
and to realize it's probably the medicine that I was part of, you
know, making him stay on. How many families are dealing
with that right now? How many families force the rest
of their family to get vaccinated?
I know, I I can tell you one Ernest Ramirez become a very
good friend of mine who took his 15 year old son and to get the
vaccine and son after giving the vaccine went on to the
basketball court 15 years old had a heart attack and died and
and he that's one of thousands if not millions of stories of
loved ones who are forever going to live.
It's one thing to lose your loved one, but just imagine,
imagine the pain that comes with knowing that the choices that
you made were part of what took the lives of your loved one.
And there are so many families that are going through that
right now and and most of them will never recover.
You can't talk to Ernesto about his son without him crying.
And this is kind of a hard and he's a Latino man, he's a, he's
a, you know a Harley driver rider.
I can't believe you said. Yeah, you guys say Rider.
I ride motorcycles all my life. I can't believe I just said
that. You know, you know what's funny
is we have this funny little experience.
I used to be a paramedic and run around on an ambulance and and
we had a hard time calling guys that rode scooters riders
because that that kind of offended me.
As someone who rides motorcycles, it's like so I
called them scooter pilots. You got to be specific in your
words, right? So scooter pilot, motorcycle
rider, I'm with you, I'm tracking.
There you go. So.
He so he rides a Harley and he's a ride to Harley.
You know, he's a he's he's just that was his baby was he was
raising his son by himself. And doing what he thought was
right. Yeah, And imagine that.
Imagine getting a call from the the he went out to play
basketball with his buddy and the mom of the other other other
kid calling, saying come quick, there's some emergency.
You know, Ernie Junior, I think is what he called him.
He's collapsed and he was dead. And I can't tell you how many
stories I've said across from people in the interview room
hearing this horrible stories of of innocent people.
You know, it's it's, I don't shy away from calling it genocide
because that's what's happened in our country and in our in our
world in the past few years. So yeah, one of my initial
instincts, just even looking at the the name of your website,
you know? Pandemic has a such an emotional
connotation to a genocide has such a emotional connotation to
it. It's one of those words that
just really gets people spun up and it ties things together that
they're not comfortable with. And I wonder if it's that we're
not okay with hearing things that are tough to hear that may
be part of it. And then I wonder if the other
piece of it is, is that there's so many people in this country
that have a vested interest and not believing they were part of
being conned and that they didn't have something to do with
a lot of people having negative effects.
That you know, the highlight reels of people dying on the on
the sports field or dying while they're doing journalism and
broadcasting and all the other things.
I mean they're they're almost comical how common they are and
how ridiculous the scenarios are.
And yet you know every single one of them has a story like
your like your friend and Nesto, it sounds like, you know like
there's somebody on the other end of that.
It's so easy to get detached from it.
I don't have anybody in my life that that fell over like that.
But I can only imagine like that would be crippling.
Well, and it's yeah, it's tough on them for for many levels.
So it's it's tough on the people.
They don't want to to wake up to the truth for a lot of reasons.
It's going to create them great pain and for a a couple of
primary reasons And that is we have a a world that has been
designed to keep people in the maze and I call them maintenance
workers, all of us, right. We're just maintaining a bunch
of crap. Maintain our house and our cell
phone and our car and just work our whole life.
You know it's 5-6 days a week and and there's rarely enough
money to save or travel or to do anything other than just
maintain all the stuff you're in debt to and when.
And as a result of that, nobody has.
Very few people have the time that in the space to exercise
their passions to pursue their purpose in life.
And so when you when when meaning becomes a crisis and we
have. I think Carl Jung said that we
have a crisis of meaning in this world when people are just
existing, even if they can look at their life and go I'm
grateful for it. It's a good life.
Cool and and there's meaning in it.
But is it a meaningful life? Is what you're doing the time
that you're investing Because our energy, our time is
valuable. What we put our attention to.
You know when we say pay attention, we're paying as
there's value in our attention. And when that is being spent on
things that we know don't really matter.
It might matter to someone, it might matter to the CEO or the
inventor of that product or whatever it might be, But it
doesn't really matter to you if that product lives or dies.
It just is a paycheck. So you can pay for the stuff
that owns you when the majority of our population is living that
way paycheck to paycheck and you suddenly the people running all
these agendas and these pandemics they they they know.
They know exactly how to manipulate the people.
They know that now I've all they have to do is run on loop in the
in the media. They have to we need a villain.
So you have to point to the villain.
The villain are all those people who aren't are not following the
science, those people who are doing their own research and
thinking for themselves. They're actually the bad ones.
And one way for you to signal to others that you are not them is
to put on this mask, and then everyone will know that you're
in compliance and you're the good one.
How about a How about a virus tattooed on your shoulder where
you got a shot? Or maybe even like a bandage
with a date? How are those aging you think?
Exactly, exactly. And so that's how much people
need, meaning that's how much people need connection.
There's a a core wound that that most people are enduring and
that is a wound of being separate and it's quite possible
that to some degree we're all experiencing that in some way
that there really is a it's almost as if we've decided to
play a game. I find it interesting that they
say that the name of God is I am, that I am.
I think I always found that very interesting.
What a weird name quote UN quote name.
And if if that's the name of God, why do we spend so much
time playing the game. I'm not that because that's what
we do. Most of most of our thoughts is.
I'm not that. I don't agree.
I wouldn't do what that person does.
I don't like the way they look or the way they sound or what
the. Basic human judgmentalness.
You know way more. When I was a teacher, I used to
ask my students, give me a list of everything that you that you
love and you hate. And the hate list was instant
and long, and it took everybody longer to make the list of what
they truly loved. And you have to really, you
know, like, take that in for a moment.
Why is it so easy for us to say, I hate traffic, I hate rude
people. I hate that just, boy, we can
pour it out. What do you love?
And then you go real quick. There's a few things off the top
of my mom. And then I used to love Van
Halen. Not anymore.
I used to Van Halen. Interesting.
Yeah.
And so it becomes, it becomes more challenging on on the what
do you love list for a lot of people.
And so that tells me there's almost like a program like a
code that's been installed to allow us to have an independent
experience of this life because we really, truly the same way
that our cell phones are energetically connected
obviously do is dial A frequency and and and they're directly
connected with no physical cord between them.
And human beings are connected that way to each other and to
our planet to God and to all all of life.
But we it's almost as if we wanted to play this game of free
will, this game of I am, I am not that So much so that it's
created this core wound in us that we realized we've kind of
swept up in this game to where the game has consumed our lives
now, to where we're killing each other now because we're so
different. Did you ever read the the Enders
game series? Are you familiar with that from
Orson Scott Card? I have heard of it, but I've not
read it now. Put it on your list of things.
I'll I'll just put it in your ear and at some point when you
get a few seconds or you're on an airplane somewhere flying,
take it, take a copy of Enders and then take a couple of the
other ones. One of the really interesting.
Thought experiments. So he's a Mormon, but he writes
about Catholics, so that's kind of funny.
And he's writing about this future genius society where they
basically said, you know, we're going to be invaded by these
aliens, we need these kids and they're going to be super kids.
And so they breed them for brilliance.
And one of the concepts in there that's really, really
interesting to me is this, this idea of the phylotic connection.
That's how they had faster than light communication, faster than
light travel, travel across it incredible distances.
And essentially it's it's like it's like quantum physics.
It's quantum entanglement is what it talks about, different
particles being interacting with other particles at distance
instantaneously. And then what they even get down
to even further as they go on because he gets into the physics
of it. And it's a scifi book.
So they write their own physics. But the physics are deeply tied
to metaphysics or religion, and essentially that people forge
these phylotic connections. This particle, this, this deep
particle that is within each one of us can actually bond to
partners of ours, people we love.
People that we are deeply connected to and so as we
resonate in the world so do they resonate with some of the
feelings that we have the greater the distance is is
irrelevant and and I don't know there's a there's just a beauty
in in the way that he describes it is I some of what you're
saying rings very true to the way that horse and Scott Carr
talked about it and and the idea that it occurs in different
laboratories and different minds to me tells me that there must
be some fundamental truth to that.
So many different people have believed that.
How many people have said to their partner in life, you know,
like we are one. Yeah, we know we're the same
thing. We we were two what we are one
we've bonded. There's a biblical connection to
that and judeo-christian tradition as well.
Anyway, I I just find it fascinating that there it's such
a ubiquitous experience in human human history and human
relational development. You know what I mean there,
There has to be some fundamental deep truth to that.
Absolutely. I'm I'm glad you're looking at
it from that angle because it's it's kind of going back to the
metaphor of the cells in our bodies.
And we see ourselves as cells in the body of this life, this body
of of of this experience that we're having here together.
Then we start to realize the necessity for us to see each
other as allies. We don't want to destroy the
cell next to us, even if it's incredibly different.
And you know, it's like you're a toe cell, you're a brain cell.
It's like I'm better than you because I'm up here at the top.
It's like it's all this silly game that we play, this
hierarchy that we create as if you know, you know I again
through when I explain these things to my to my kids, I'll
use you know baseball metaphors because they both play ball and
and you know I explain to them about how it's everything is a
team and every base matters and and the pitcher and the catcher
might be handling the ball 9090% more than the rest of the team
but that doesn't mean any of those positions are any less
important. Without one of those positions
it becomes a hole, a weakness that the other team will take
advantage of and and that team will lose if it minuses.
One player needs all nine players on the field and and so
it's important for us to start looking at you know our humanity
in that way like we're we're all necessary here in this
experience even to some degree are the ones that we are aware
are creating the problems and I equate it again spilling out
these metaphors understanding the world of 3D art as part of
my world that I that I work in and understanding what it is
that makes 3D what's the difference between 2D and 3D
shadow. And so we're we're here in the
third dimension that we call this scientifically the third
dimension and and and so shadow is necessary.
We'll always have shadow and we'll never get rid of it nor do
we want to totally get rid of it.
But we cannot allow the shadow to consume the entire image with
darkness because it just becomes one oblique dark picture and
that's what the shadows attempting to do right now And
So what then how do you defeat that By shining brighter.
And that's what everyone needs to do right now is to shine
brighter. Don't allow the darkness, the
shadow to consume you such that you are now a shadow.
Because that's what happens, right?
You take on the shadow and you become a every day you're
complaining and you're in fear and now, OK, you're a shadow
maker now and when you really came here to shine your light
and that's how we defeat this is it's just the the image is being
amplified and and it's and it's pixels and it's brilliance and
the the shadows forcing us to shine brighter.
And so there's also divinity in that.
Yeah. And honestly, shadow is what,
it's the ability to absorb light as opposed to reflect light and
and share it. You know, it takes it in.
Interestingly, I was just thinking about one of the the
worst things you could probably say to one of your children
would be to tell them that they are useless.
That would be a like a debilitating blow, I think from
a parent, especially from a father, the idea that you don't
have any value, that you can't add anything.
Right. And then I don't remember if you
never heard that when you were a kid, but I know that would be
one of the things that you're useless get off the field,
whatever it may be, right? You know, it's just, it's it's
crushing. And if it comes from your peers,
it's less important if it comes from someone you really respect
and from from an adult. And that could be that could be
debilitating. And you know you just said
everybody has value. On that note, since you're is
this your first child? 6 year old is your first child.
My first is 6. Yeah, I got a four, I got a two,
and I got another one to come in a couple days.
So, wow, fantastic. The one phrase that is way too
often uttered by parents, and it does so much damage to kids, and
it's so common, is what is wrong with you.
That's a really harmful thing to say to your children.
What is wrong with you? Because when it comes from most
parents, because they have been disempowered, they don't feel
like powerful people. They don't understand then the
influence they have on that little human that they brought
into this world. And when a parent says what is
wrong with you, what they're actually telling the child is
something's wrong with you. And so that child will live into
that and they will create something wrong with them and
they'll spend their life living through the filter that
something's wrong with me. And you know, and then Monday
they'll do mushrooms or ayahuasca and get over it.
But. As as is needed but
consciousness expansion. But until that happens you know
they they will endure a lot of hardship and relationships and
failures and business and all of that.
Because if you which is why I you know I've had to leave my
industry of Hollywood because I realized wow these narratives
even a lot of my favorite films are so destructive.
It's just almost every scifi movie is about humanity.
Humanity being a plague, a cancer, a failed experiment, you
know, and. We're not the good guys in
Hollywood anymore, people. No, we haven't been for a long
time, particularly us men. Yeah.
And I mean, I I mean, I remember watching Fern Gully, which was
animated when I was a kid, and thinking like, oh, like, who are
the bad people, The loggers, the industrialists, the people
trying to build homes for people?
And they're they're killing off the fairyland, right?
And even that is just, it's such a silly version of it and you
look at it and we got to reeducate our killed kids.
When we show them these things, it's like, well, there's another
side of that story because there are people that were living on
the ground. Where they were in the Amazon
and you're giving them industry and you're giving them
opportunities. Yeah, there's always.
Trees have sentience. Maybe not.
Yeah. Yeah, there's there's always
another side to each of those stories and I'm glad you look at
those because our kids need to understand those other sides and
and and and learn how to detect themselves when they're being
fed a narrative that is meant to manipulate them in some way.
My 12 year old. So into that right now it's,
it's, it's. Calling out the narrative
wonderful and also sometimes annoying to watch a movie with
him because he'll be like I'm sorry I got to pause Dad okay
that's total indoctrination right there.
I'll tell you what they're what you hear.
We rewind it. Listen did you hear that Aha.
So he'll be catch he catches. I love it and it's super cool
and and it's always you know very rarely do I have to go
actually not buddy that's that's truth.
What the 2nd is yeah I'm explain it to you but most most of the
time I'm just like I didn't catch that myself.
You're right. Yeah, that's it.
But you tuned him to it. Yeah.
And that's we know that's that's where we want them.
We want them to be able to navigate, like you said at the
beginning of this conversation. We don't want to shelter them
and hide them from the world. I want them to have the full
breadth of experience out there to to climb the mountains and
and raft the streams and and do all of that and hang out with
kids that they like and don't like and have all those
experiences of all that different challenging archetypes
that are available out there. But I also don't want them to
get caught up in the mind traps that most of our children are
caught up in right now. And that's we.
A lot of that we can owe to either their their school or
social media where they are trying to gain attention and
fill that void of love that they didn't get from typically from
dad. That's most common that you
know, that men are just so detached from their value as a
nurturer that they have just fallen to role role of provider
only. And that does great damage to a
child when they don't have that to to see that side of dad or
they're the other way. They're they're the, you know,
the culture that I escaped which was the new age cult where
fathers are being so feminized that they're they're shamed
anytime that they become strong with their with their child.
And at both of my boys when they got about four years old taking
my first son, I realized I'm like, like we've read all the
damn conscious parenting books and we're trying so hard to do
this thing And we lived in a super Uber spiritual place in
California called Ojai California.
And and so everybody was on this.
You know, this is how you do it. You know, the kids hitting you
in the face and you're going, I see you're angry.
I see. You're angry.
You know, and. How am I not fulfilling you?
Yeah, exactly. And so one day I just was like,
I'm done. This is not working and this kid
is not going to run our life. And I, thankfully my son, had
another little buddy who we were able to look at that family go.
That's what not to do. They'll be like, we all go out
to dinner, their first dinner in three months, and that kid
decides he wants to go after 20 minutes.
And it's like he really needs to go.
He's very sensitive, a lot of energy in here.
And then be like they're gone and we're like my wife and I sit
there going, wow took their food to go and they left because
they're five year old kids that it was time to go that's.
It looks crazy when you have enough of a relief to look back
from just a few feet away. So I finally one day just said,
and I'll tell you the short story.
It's worth repeating, especially to another father I was
watching. My wife just said the day
suggested it might be that the movie called Buck.
Maybe it was Buck. It's a movie about a man who
trains wild Mustangs and documentary.
And I remember watching that being, it changed my life
because, you know, in one minute he, he'd encounter this wild
Mustang that was just bucking and like, you're not getting
anywhere near me, dude. And in 10 minutes, the horse
would be literally bowing and the guy would jump on at
bareback and be riding this horse, this wild Mustang.
And I was just like, wow does he do that?
And and then I became aware of the horse.
It's demeanor. It's like, that's interesting.
Like you could feel that the horse, never its whole, whole
life was about trying to survive, trying to avoid
predators. Everything was a predator.
It didn't have it. It never had an alpha something
that was stronger than it but didn't want to kill it.
And you could almost feel the horse take a breath.
Like there's something out there more powerful than me that just
wants to ride me and not hurt me.
Wow. And that's when I went, thank
God I have a wife. That doesn't stop me from being
a man, you know, Because I said, sweetheart, something's going to
change. Everything's going to change.
Because what I said, I'm not going to raise my boys to.
I said when a child is aware that they can manipulate the two
pillars of their lives, the two people who came together and
made them. When a child is aware that I can
manipulate these two big people, what else happens in that child?
They don't feel safe because then they're thinking, if I'm
smarter than these two and I can just make a sound, make them
move whenever I want them to, who has my back?
I said. That's right.
It's just me. I'm just all by myself.
They're behaving the way they're behaving out there.
They don't feel safe. They don't have fathers that
take care of business that are, you know, a balance, and I mean
balance Uber loving, Uber sensitive, Uber caring and
fierce. My kids last night we said too
many times go to bed because I had a dentist appointment at
8:30 this morning. So they had to go to bed at an
hour. They're not used to going to bed
particularly, and and they're just up there, chattering,
chattering, chattering. Right.
And the light's still out because it's still summer and
all that. Eight times later, I'm like done
and I go up and I grab everything that's dear to them,
you know? And I said you've lost it for a
week. That's it.
And they got the first thing that this morning when they got
up, they saw me and they go, dad, I'm really sorry about last
night. How long did we lose it for?
I said for a week they go, OK, you know, but it's like, no,
it's just and I and I explain them so you understand.
It's it's frustrating. We don't want the last thing
that we say to you at night to be us yelling go to bed.
I don't. I don't want that to be it.
I want you to respect our words when we say, you know finish
reading your book and go to bed. We want you to honor that.
But when I hour later when I hear, what is that up there, Oh
my God, they're still awake. And I go up there and I listen
to your door and you're still awake.
That's disrespectful because you agreed, you said okay, we set
down a rule and you and you didn't listen.
And that's not respectful. So we're really big on respect
and integrity of our word. And so when they lose something
because they don't keep their word that they don't fuss about
it because they're like their word's important to them.
So, like, we deserve it. Awesome.
Well, you know too, if you if you get into your kids and and
they give you one of these things where it's like if you
wanted to raise your voice, you could probably amp.
Camp that energy level up as high as you want and they can
match it or not, and they they'll lose.
They're smaller, but if you told them in a whisper that you're
really disappointed in them. Oh, yeah, That's the end.
I mean, that was the end for me. If my dad would have come to me
and tell me he was disappointed and then I let him down, he
could say that as quietly as he wanted.
And I would hear it like a gunshot.
Right. And so it's just a Miss Balanced
Power. There's a guy that I
interviewed. His name is Mark.
How he may be familiar with his story.
He was arrested in Philadelphia for defending his child on the
streets. There was he was a pro-life
activist. He was out praying outside of an
abortion clinic and had a 70 year old man saying the worst
things that you can imagine a grown up saying to a boy and to
another man and he shoved the guy and charges were declined by
the local, the prosecutors and then the DOJ, the FBI came and
arrested him with a with a team of people with rifles and he has
a group that's called the King's Bend and he's a, he's a very
Catholic man. He's a very devout man.
He's got a bunch of kids. He has 9 or 12, I can't
remember, but it's a lot and it was it was an impressive number
whatever it was And he his principles of leadership for men
because he he does a men's retreat and they teach outdoor
wilderness skills and things like that.
You mentioned that the balances and what he says there's three
of them and see how they ring to you.
He says the man's role is protector, provider and leader.
And I've never heard him in three simple things.
Sometimes a good number like that three is pretty easy.
It's it's stable, but it it is essentially the things that
you're describing right there, what that alpha looks like
powerful but also benevolent and maybe that's a lot of what
people are forgetting that masculinity is supposed to have.
You know a lot of those things. It it it's the whole it's the
whole idea. When you look at guys like David
Grossman and his On Killing, you know the the the sheepdog
concept of the three. It's it's obviously a very
simplified world view of the sheep that the OR the sheep, the
wolf and the and the sheepdog. But the sheepdog looks a lot
like a wolf, and that's why it scares people.
But it's benevolent and it has protection in mind.
And so people want to, you know, they they look around and they
go, oh, it's the teeth that are the problem?
No, no, It's the behavior with the teeth turns out to be the.
Well, I I agree with those 3 distinctions and I would
probably add a fourth and that's some somewhere in the in the
realm of nurturing because I think that there are a lot of
fathers who who are only show the leader side, only show the
the provider side and those are incredibly important.
But what I found with my boys hopefully one day you'll meet my
boys they really are special special kids and and they what I
love about them is we can't go through an airport without them
saying dad look how cute that baby is you know like they're
they are already and when I they did a what they call their dream
board exercise during summer camp.
And they came back and they both had on their dream boards that
part, one of the things that they want to be when they grow
up is an awesome dad. And and that just made me so
happy that that's that it wasn't football player or you know, it
was like an awesome dad. That was He doesn't want to be a
cowboy or a gunfighter or an astronaut.
Right there, there. And that's an achievable thing,
by the way. An awesome dad.
It's truly achievable and and when you see them with other
children, I know what kind of dad they're going to be.
You know, I have a I have a my. My creative partner has a six
year old and every now and then when she's out of school and and
he and her mother are separated and she can't take care of her.
He'll have to bring her here for a day And my boys take care of
her all day long. 6 year old little girl and you know 8 hours
9 hours and they're with her all day long.
We don't have to even question you know they're taking such
good care of her feeding her and and that's how you raise a good
little man and because. One thing that a lot of men have
missed out on is emotional literacy of understanding, not
just being the tough guy, you know, I mean we have that side
of us too, you know, we're full. I was a motocross racer and my
both my boys raced BMX and so we're full on contact.
Extreme sports on one hand and and then there's a a real soft
side that I think men need to. And I don't mean soft as in
weak. I mean soft as in fiercely
powerful. But having that ability to be
sensitive enough to to have intimate connections.
You know, when you look at your child, do they see the love in
your eyes? Do you know how to express to
them when you're, when you're going through a hard time?
I've had to sit down with my boys.
There was the first time I cried with them was powerful because I
I got a little too aggressive with.
Punishment one day and I realized a lot of it was just
me. This is probably five years ago
and I was just having a really frustrating day and and the
thought that I would be that I would take some of that out on
the two beans that I love more than anything in this world
crushed me. And I had to go.
I would just went into to apologize.
But then I felt these tears well and I thought I got to shut this
off and I went there I go, that's what men do.
And it said I went no, let them flow.
And I remember my boy just looking up at me like Daddy's
crying and this must be important.
I said I I daddy's growing, too. That is Daddy's learning too,
buddy. I don't have it all figured out.
I'm doing my best and life is an ongoing process of learning.
You never stop learning. And and I just learned a big
lesson and I'm really, really sorry for yelling at you and you
didn't deserve that. That was that was something that
you didn't deserve and that'll stay with them for a very long
time. They'll probably always remember
that. I remember my dad going over the
you know, I probably earned whatever punishment I got.
I'm and he he'll listen to this. So that's even funnier.
But you know, I there was a couple of times when I
definitely earned A throttling, whatever it was, you know,
whether verbal or physical. And you know, I still remember
him taking a knee and and coming in and apologizing.
Yeah, and now my now, you know, my my kids do that with each
other now. My son's almost never fight.
And when they do, I just Was it yesterday or the day before
that? Yeah, I think it was yesterday.
As a matter of fact, my 12 year old, it's very rare.
He's such a patient Big Brother. My little one is, is he can be
annoying because he's just like he's just filled with energy.
So, So like after a full day with him, there's a point when
you're like, wow, you know, because he's just questions and
he's full out and he's, he's the one that's rough all the time
and he's pinching and he's, you know, just having fun.
It's always, always in good humor.
But but he's getting you gotta set him straight.
You have to be like enough call it my body you know boundaries.
And so my older son got to that point but he really unleashed he
was in the back seat of the car and he really it's rare to hear
him be like stop it you know like and then and then my wife
and I always just like it's so rare because his name is Azai.
It's so rare that Azai goes there.
But we're just like we don't want to interfere.
We want them to be able to work it out.
And then a minute later he's like, I'm sorry Sir, he goes, I
just really, it's like there's what you did.
But it was also, you know, something else that I he was
able to put it together to tell his brother that was an out of
proportion reaction to what you did.
And it was really sophisticated thing for a 12 year old.
Really like I and I'm just like my wife and our sneak and look
like how many grownups do we know that can't do that.
Few. Very few.
But that's what that's what you show them by being that because
there's no better way to teach your children than by being that
because they watch and they emulate everything.
You know that, right? The kids watch and emulate
everything you do and and so if you are someone who hasn't grown
up and your behavior is bad, well then that's what you're
passing on to your kids. And that's the beauty of having
children is it's it's nothing forces you into self examination
more deeply. Than the reflection of your
children and especially when you really care about that you know
there's a lot of desert like screwed.
I am who I am. They're going to be who they are
whatever. But it's like no, I I had a lot
of stuff that I was determined to change with the middle
lineage of my family. I come from a dysfunctional
family and and there were a lot of behavior patterns that I was
committed to not instilling in my children and and I didn't
have an example. Of how to you know of of how to
behave like a man. When I was growing up, raised by
a mom, two sisters and a gay brother.
So I had a lot of feminine input, which I'm grateful for,
but I had to learn how to become my own man to learn what that is
and and so it's, you know, I made it this decision.
I'm like at this. I don't believe that this shit's
in my genes. I don't believe I have to pass
this on. This is a behavioral, this is a
pattern. This is a habit and habits are
changeable. So let me change my habits and
trust that in changing my habits my sons won't pick up my bad
habits. And the few that I I did have
witnessed in them, I've consciously, they've shown me
they've been that mirror for me to say.
I wonder where they learn that one from.
Uh oh, and then I'm like, okay, let me undo that.
We can undo it. We can actually call it forth
and say, you know that thing you did.
That's you actually got that from me.
I did. You did.
I've been doing that my whole life, and you helped me see it.
Thank you. Let's change it together, You
think a lot of parents do that? I I I just hope a lot more do.
I don't know how many do there's a lot of wonderful parents out
there. But I I I don't think enough
take parenting on as mentor as as they do it as authority.
And that's can be detrimental because again, you don't want
your child just bowing to authority.
You want to take it on in the like I was married once before
my my current marriage. And and it was interesting.
We kind of fell into a pattern of kind of competing against
each other. Well you did this.
Well, I did that while you did that for, you know, it's this
whole thing like, and there's scripture about this, you know?
Yeah, the house divided will not stand.
That's right. When I got there's a lot of
truisms in there, a lot of it. When I got in this, my current
marriage, I learned from my first marriage and I said one
thing and I just my wife is just just an extraordinary human
being, so it makes it easier. She's taught me a lot.
But I said, let's never forget that we're on the same team
above all because. When I tell you something that
might sound like criticism, when you tell me something that might
sound like criticism, if we can just remember it's because you
love me. And it's not because you're not
happy with me, but it's because you see something that I can't
see or I see something that maybe you can't see.
That more effective way of behaving in our lives that might
and might actually serve us. We want the best for each other.
We're not trying to. When I don't want to win above
you, I'm not competing against you.
I want us to win. You know, it's a it's it's a
cooperative sport we're playing. It's not a competitive sport.
And if we can just remember that, then when that stuff comes
up that wouldn't that could be offensive.
If we can just remember she's only saying this because she
wants her lives to work, and that thing I do, that habit I do
isn't the most optimal way to live.
You know, and it might be, you know, like, I think the last
thing I brought up to my wife was, I'm like, do you notice the
pattern in our life where we clean up the whole house, get
everything, We go through a whole weekend of just making
everything clean, and then everything piles up and
everything piles up, and then four weeks later, let's go
through the holes cleaning again.
And I said, wouldn't it be better if we just kind of
cleaned up every day a little bit?
Instead of the taking the whole weekend out once or every month
or three. And can we see how this actually
reflects on our lives, right. Our taxes get all behind and
then we spend a month trying to get all our taxes paid and
caught up and everything falls behind.
Again, I said you see this is kind of a pattern.
How you do one thing is how you do a lot of things.
This is a pattern in our lives And you know, are we willing to
try something new? And that is.
Just like, set some rules and and and stick to them.
You know, like if we say we have a shoe closet.
Every time you take off your shoes, put them in the damn
closet. All of us.
Otherwise one pair gets left out and someone goes, oh, that's a
good spot for today. Suddenly there's eight pair of
shoes sitting there by the front door that we trip over.
Like, do do we recognize that? That might seem like a mundane,
meaningless little thing, but do we understand that by being
aware of that pattern? That larger patterns in our life
get taken care of the more we are efficient with each little
choice we make and our daily duties.
And you know, those conversations we can have as a
team to to optimize the experience of our lives.
And if more couples worked together that way, instead of
just feeling like we're. I'm just going to criticize you.
Stop doing this and stop doing that.
But again, you know, the same way I mentioned the beginning,
this is to teach, to work with each other, even as couples
through what we want collectively, what we want
instead of what I want. I want you to be this way.
But look, if you're that way, it creates this circumstance and it
moves us further away from our goal, which is being in love and
continuing to fall in love and and and you know it's, we've
been here 20 years and you know it's.
When I leave, and I'll be, you know, leaving Saturday for event
and I guarantee you before I catch the plane, I'll be texting
her to tell her how much I miss her, you know?
And I never knew how that that was possible because my
experience of relationships growing up was they're really
exciting for a few months and then they get old.
I had never knew it was possible because I never saw my mom in a
real relationship. I didn't know it was possible to
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He does the show called Matter of Fact.
Please check him out and we're really appreciative that he was
able to do this. I also want to say a big thank
you to my guest Mickey Willis. Here he is right there.
You can follow him before the next episode at Mickey Willis,
MIKKIWILLIS, Mickey Willis, and you can also see him on his
channel over here, which is Plandemic 3 movie.
At Plandemic 3 movie you can find that on Twitter and you can
follow them. There are plenty of little cuts
there if you want to get a taste of it and go watch Plandemic 3,
The Awakening, The Great Awakening.
We don't cover it nearly as much as we could in this entire
interview because we got so distracted with things about
life, things that are true about all of us.
But I think that is Mickey's superpower.
That is his talent. So please tune in again tomorrow
to see the second-half of this interview and we really
appreciate you guys. We will see you soon.
Have a great rest of your day. Thanks for listening to the Kyle
Seraphin Show streamed live weekdays on rubble.com/kyle
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