Prepared to hear the truth from a real whistleblower and
American patriot? Here's civil liberties
enthusiast, Second Amendment defender and indefinitely
suspended FBI agent Kyle Serafin.
Hello, my friends, and welcome to the Kyle Serafin Show for
Monday, March 13th, 2023. And we're going to be continuing
our long form interviews today with our guest, Alfredo, AKA
Alpha Luna Junior, a former police officer who worked in
Cathedral City Police Department in Cathedral City, CA, which is
a small city near Palm Springs. Many people know where that is.
Alpha served in the United States Marine Corps for just
under six years. And in keeping with our
tradition of oath keeping former Marines that we keep bringing on
the show, we keep doing it and we're going to keep doing it.
His his story is going to continue the outrage tour that
we've had and should also make you incredulous, exposing even
more FBI and federal law enforcement malfeasance.
You see, Alpha was arrested on state charges, which stemmed
from a federal search warrant because of means and meme tweets
on January 6th. On 20/21, he never showed up at
the Capitol and that didn't stop the feds from coming through his
door. Folks, this is the kind of stuff
that you have to know about 'cause you have to know what
we're up against. So stand by for a conversation.
It's probably going to make your blood boil.
It's also going to probably make you laugh because he's a funny
guy. The last time he and I talked, I
actually got in trouble with my wife because I was staying up
till midnight and she didn't believe that I was talking to
Jake from State Farm. So first we're going to read our
first sponsor. We've got our first sponsor here
and we're incredibly grateful. I want you folks to to know that
this is one of those things that we took a lot of time and we
prayed about and discern this is the first sponsorship dollars
that we're going to accept for the Kyle Seraphin show and the
company's called Patriot Coolers.
So let me tell you quickly about Patriot Coolers.
First of all, I'm sitting with a new Patriot cooler right here.
I'm drinking water out of it. I'll be using it during this
show. They sent me a handful of stuff
that I haven't used before, but I've been using Patriot Coolers
for about 3 or 4 years. I started using them when the
company first came out. They've got an affiliation with
a member of my family going back.
They're a Houston company and they are all about patriotism.
The brand is the same as their values.
They got 13 stripes on all of their cups.
They got 50 stars on the bottom here.
If I turned over, it would actually pour all over my lap.
All kinds of patriotic colors. If you're a veteran or if you're
a thin blue line guy, you can get those things on their cups.
They also make hard sided coolers.
They're as good as any of the big names like Yeti or anything
like that. In fact, they're probably made
the same factory, but they're outstanding tools that you can
use. They've got a better price point
and they put money towards vets who need a little hand up when
it comes to fixing their homes. Disabled vets from the post 911
era. So a good company with a good
'cause it supports our show. You can use promo code Kyle Kyle
and get 10% off and they actually give us a little
portion of that. Plus they're still out there
supporting veterans. So by all means, if you're in
the market for a Tumblr, if you're in the market for a
cooler, if you're in the market for a backpack that can move
your stuffs like your kids food, you know, we've got three of
them. So we're always moving snacks
and we're keeping things cool all the time.
By all means, check out Patriot coolers.com and see if there's
something there that will fit your needs.
And without further ado, we're going to bring on my friend, the
host of the Alpha Warrior show. This is Alpha Luna, brother.
Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin show.
Thanks for having me on your show.
I got to do the favor and bring you back on.
No absolute honor, man. Happy to be here, happy to be
with your audience and take a little time to share my story.
All right, well, let's break into it right away.
First of all, I want to establish your credentials, your
bona fides, who you are as a person.
Where did you grow up, and and how did you end up in the United
States Marine Corps? What age were you?
I was 2021. I was a baby.
Borderline, borderline young genius, right?
Borderline young genius. Yeah.
I wanted to go right out of high school, you know?
But typical athlete, you know, you find a girlfriend, you think
you got, you know what's going on?
You're like, no, you know, not going to do what my parents
want, you know? No, you're too smart for that.
Yeah. You know, I can control my life.
So you know, about all the time. Went to college, 911 happened
and then two days later, 2-3 days later, you know, I was in
the recruiting office saying hey, you know, let's get the
party started. Scored really high on the ASVAD.
So they actually. You look like you're surprised
by that still. Why are you surprised by that?
I've seen your show. I know what kind of work it
takes to put together a show like that.
And there's a lot of skill set that you obviously bring to the
table. So the your, your surprise is
just yours. Everyone else is not surprised.
It's, you know, in high school is the undercover nerd, you
know, because I was a jock, hung out with the jocks, you know,
sports my entire life. So it's like you can't be
getting A's on, you know, chemistry tests and things like
that. Well, you can't be talking about
it. You can't be talking about it.
But no, you know, my parents pushed school.
You know, that's where it came from.
You know, neither of them went to college, you know, until they
were, you know, adults later on, they didn't want me to have the
life they had. So of course, you know, the
generation after, you always want them to be better than you.
So they pushed me. So.
And a real quick example of that.
Wait, what was your sport? Football, track, football on
track are the main ones. OK, and then football, strong
safety. I'm glad I'll brag about this
because this is a this is my Al Bundy moment, right?
But no man MVP every year, high school, four year Letterman,
strong safety, captain like it was a good time.
High school. High school is fun and you know,
I wasn't tall enough or big enough.
I had to take football to the next week.
So it's fun, but yeah, so I was taking advanced chemistry.
I get AC in it, right? And to my dad, AC was an F.
That's right. So.
He's so he's like, you want to keep playing football.
You know, you're going to go take we had this like at the
time it was called intercession. It was like a third try.
He went for high school. So I go and I take it and me and
my dad. I love my dad, great man, but
our relationship was not like like him and my brother, little
brother that tells you the story.
So, you know, it was just like, all right, you're going to
challenge me that I can't do it and now I'm going to go and do
it just to prove a point. So even though it wasn't the
right reasons, signed up, you know, you know, messing up the
entire bowel curve to the teachers like hey, we got to go
with the second highest grade because I ended up getting like
110%. Just crushing it.
So that was the undercover nerd
that people didn't realize. So I go, I take the ASVAB and
they're just like, hey, we'll get you into the Jag program.
And I'm like, what's that? So they tell me about it and I'm
like, well, I don't get to go. And you?
Know no, no, tell people. You got to tell people.
Not everybody knows what the Jag program is and why that wouldn't
suit you. Tell tell them what that is.
It's the, it's the jug Advocate General, attorneys, lawyers,
it's the court system is what it is.
And I was just like, no, like they just bombed us.
Like, I want to go there and, you know, take names and blow
stuff up. So he's like, well, you know,
anybody can do that you want. And I was like, no, like, that's
where I want to go. So, you know, back and forth a
little bit. Ultimately, he's like, all
right, that's what you want to do.
That's what you'll do. And then, yeah, ended up landing
in Kuwait. Valentine's Day of 2003, war
started in March. We crossed the LOD on March
18th. And, you know, everybody got to
watch the rest of that on TV. That's right now.
So you had an infantry spot or did you have something that was
in a infantry support role? So we were infantry scouts, and
so this is where the infantry guys get a little jealous.
We didn't have to hump. We were attached to an Alley V
battalion. So we got to put our rucksacks
on the side of these vehicles that touted us, you know, Totus
everywhere. And then we would dismount, you
know, do this stuff, go do Ford Recon and things like that.
But one of the cool stories is we got to rescue Oliver North
out there. Really.
Yeah, so I got AI got a picture with him out in the sock, you
know, shaking hands. Well with that, you know, all we
know is we're getting diverted to go do a rescue VIP mission.
So, you know, we go, he had a, he was out there doing a
documentary. So his Black Hawk got shut down,
the 2 Cobra helicopters got shut down.
So they're there, you know, fighting off the bad guys.
We get there, we pick them up, take out the people I need to be
taking out. Meanwhile, everyone in the
vehicles now, because you can hear the calms, like we're in
the back, we get the helmets and everybody's saying like, it was
Oliver North, it's Oliver North. So like I said, I was a baby at
the time, right? Right.
Plus, young guys are like, who the Hell's Oliver?
Yeah, high 5 maybe, right? Is that good?
Is that bad? So the, the older guys ended up
schooling us on that and we're like, oh, man, this guy's
pretty. This is a bad, this is a
legendary Marine right here. And so we got, you know, took a
picture with him. So the different things like
that in Iraq right after my military time went straight into
law enforcement gun into the Academy.
What years? Finished the Academy in late
2005, started in 2006, got picked up my my agency in 2005.
They actually sponsored me through the Academy.
So it was pretty cool. Now is that common in in
California school? I mean, California academies is
that most people get sponsored through or a lot of people pay
in their own way. A lot of people pay in their own
way. So if there's there's these
times where you'll have where there's more positions than
bodies and then you'll probably get, you know, the sponsorships
are a little easier there. But right now most people are
paying their way. So unless they go Sheriff's
Department, Sheriff's Department usually pays them right out of
the gate. Fair enough.
So, so I get into the Cathedral City Police Department, always
telling everybody we're the armpit of Palm Springs, so.
Literally geographically that that suits if anybody wants to
look it up on the map, they could find it.
It's Palm Springs on the north. What Palm Desert on the South?
And you guys are stuck in between there right in that
little corner we're. Stuck.
We're stuck right, right there between them against the
freeway. So we're we're literally the
armpit of them. So I'll start working there.
I knew right out of the gate what I wanted to do.
You know, I wanted to get into SWAT and I wanted to get into
games like those. Those were my two goals right
there. I had no ambitions to be a
Sergeant, no ambitions to be a police chief.
Like that wasn't even on my radar.
I just wanted to go, you know, find bad guys.
So first day off of training I get in my first officer involved
shooting. I'm like, it was literally
second call for service. First day wasn't even my call,
but you know, I'm a boot. So I'm like, hey, I'll go handle
that. I'm right around the corner
this. Is right off FTO or you're still
FTO. No this this is my first day off
FTO. First day riding solo.
Second call took the took the
black and white to the car wash. Spent the next 15 minutes
driving back and forth in front of the Stater brothers, mirrored
windows being like, yeah right. You're checking yourself out.
Like I did it here I am. So I'm telling you guys that's
that's, that's the stuff of, of dumb.
You know, rookie, rookie cops will do things like that.
So go and pick up coffee because that's what we do.
No Donuts. That's that's generations behind
us. You guys, it's not Donuts no
more. And car goes out of a domestic
disturbance. A strange boyfriend finds finds
his wife. You know, we were out there the
day before and there was no paper.
It was one of those things where there's no TRO just going to go
there, tell the dude quit being a dumb shit and you know, get
out of here. So I'm like, hey, it's going to
be the same thing. I know it's it's our Friday.
You know, the guys down at the station working on paper.
Let me impress them and say, hey, the rookie will go and
handle this. So I go.
And so turning into a shooting. We won.
He didn't, but the interesting there was going to be a murder
suicide. He actually had the note in his
back pocket apologizing because he was going to kill his ex-wife
or girlfriend, I'm not sure if they're officially married or
not. And then he was going to kill a
little girl and then himself. So he spelled it all out on
paper, put it in his pocket and then you guys rolled up on you,
rolled up on the call solo or did you have backup at the time?
No, I was solo. I was solo.
The last place they saw him was the backyard.
So as I'm walking up to the front door, I'm like, well, you
know, that's the last place they saw him.
Let me check there. And this after I ran the plates
and did all the, you know, buy the book stuff you're supposed
to do. So I had these RV gates, these
mesh RV gates. So I'm opening up the handle
when this guy comes walking around the corner once his name
was Thomas. And so I see him.
So I'm like Thomas, come here and he's like, no, so I'm like
Thomas, come here and he goes no, like really loud.
Not going to be onto the mic and then he turns around so I'm like
oh, he's going to run I'm like awesome, this is going to be a
foot pursuit I'm. Going to get this, this is the
kind of meathead stupidity that goes on on your first day when
you don't know me better, right? It's just, but then again, all,
all the patrol cops I know like they're, they're not there
because it's fun to go and like kiss babies and like get high
fives from people. They're there because there's
bad dudes that want to do bad things.
And you have training and experience and physicality to
bring to the table and that's your job.
Like you're there to protect. Right.
You're you're there to find the thing that's going to hurt
everybody everybody's scared of and put in place where people
aren't to be afraid of. It Yeah, fair enough.
OK, so this guy turns his back on you.
So he turns his back. I think he's going to run.
So I'm like, hell yeah. But he does a spin.
On the other end of that spin is a gun and barrel.
So he. What has he got in his hand?
A handgun or rifle. The handgun, It was a handgun.
OK, I mean, people do weird things.
They like put shotguns down their back pants.
Like we've seen gangsters hide all kinds of stuff so.
Yeah, sorry, shotguns. For sure, for sure.
All right, so he comes up with a handgun.
Comes up with a handgun, fires a couple rounds in my direction.
I very quickly make make my way to a cylinder cinder block ball
draw my and get ready to put some rounds down range.
He runs to the back. I get on the mic.
You know, shots fired, shots fired.
Probably sounded a little bit more excited than that, right?
And then I hear glass break sound like, all right, this
clown just got into the house and I know that the the the mom
and the daughter in there. So decision, right.
You got, you know, hair of a, you know, split second to make a
decision. And I'm like, if I don't get in
there before he gets in there, he's going to kill him.
You know, that's what I'm thinking.
So I run back through the front of the house, the big windows
open. The mom's there.
She's like petrified. She's holding her little girl,
right? I'm like opening the heaven door
and she's a stone cold so. She's just in the freeze things.
We talk about this sometimes when we talk about people's
preparation and they always talk about fight or flight.
But the third option is freeze. A lot of people choose that.
Most people in a modern world will freeze given the the action
potential. They just don't know what to do
Overcome. She's stone cold frozen man.
Yeah, finally I get her attention.
She opens the door. I walk and get her behind me.
I have my gun pointed down the hallway.
I can hear a little noise. I'm just waiting for him to come
barely down the hallway. And you know the Round 2 of this
fight, get her out to my police car.
By this time, every the calvary's getting there, you can
hear sirens from everywhere. We surround the house, SWAT team
gets there, air supports there. You know they're doing the
surrounding call out in a couple hours pass.
They make the decision, hey, he's not coming out.
We're going to go in. Well, what it was was when the
glass broken because it was when the glass broke also heard
another gunshot got it. And what happened was he
actually put the gun to his heart.
So he ended up killing himself and then the glass break was him
falling through the through the glass.
Interesting. So Corner gets there and that's
when they end up finding the the suicide note.
So you force them to a decision like so many of these guys, they
have a cowardly plan. You, you put them to a decision
for their chips. They they take themselves out of
the equation. This is the reason why these
responses are direct a threat in these situations.
That's why they teach things like alert active shooter.
You got to go to the guy. You can't wait around for it
because he's either going to take other people out or they're
going to take themselves out the minute they come into
opposition, which sounds like you saved some lives that day.
Yeah, that's, that's got to be like on the top tier of that
beats the heck out of my first day.
You and I talked about this once, but my first day was I got
picked up in the pouring rain at 3:30 in the morning and got
tossed in the, you know, thing with my training agent.
And he goes, he goes, you're we're going to do a search
warrant. That's where we're starting.
And, you know, you're on the RAM like you're the guy who's going
to take the door. And we went in and grabbed a
like a PCP dealer out of DC. So definitely a lower key
version of that and obviously still in my my trading tape, but
most people don't have action on their first day.
I'm curious, how many officer involved shootings would you say
happen in an annually in Cathedral City?
Like how common was that for you?
It's not common at all. We've probably, let's see in in
14 years that I was there, I'd say we had 11. 11 total.
So once a year is even is is more than often.
OK. And So what do people do?
Like you come back, you're the rookie your first day out of FTO
and you're out there and you got a guy that just put himself
through a window. What's the response like that on
the department? So the command post is set up.
So I'm obviously they're sitting me in the trailer, you know,
just getting everything that can get out of me about what
happened, right? And you know, everybody's out in
the whispers are taking place outside, right?
And so we had this Sergeant Ed Cologne, just one of the
greatest man I ever worked for, also a Marine.
And he comes in, hears all the whispers and he's like, I don't
want to hear that, you know, SI teach, I don't.
Can we cuss on here man? If it's appropriate, then you do
what you got to do. Yeah, I, I don't swear that
often, but sometimes that's the way the story has to go.
All. Right.
Well, for me, this most people respond, I need a swear word,
but he goes, I don't want to hear that shit.
In all, he's just like, this guy's a Marine, he's been in
combat, of course he's going to be fine now get some food.
And he ordered pizza. That's just who does that kind
of man that's. Yeah, straighten it out.
That's it. That's that's the difference
between freeze and action, right?
That's the difference between fight and people who freeze up.
Like you just got to come in and make something happen.
Shake everybody off so they're out there.
Why? Like, is he going to be OK?
You know, something happened. Tell him doing the rumor mill.
I heard he got shot in the foot, you know, that kind of thing.
All that, all the things. Yeah, he's missing a hand.
He's in there bleeding all that. They got him on life support.
Yeah, in the command post where he's getting debriefed.
Yes, man. So I was just like, man, I'm
just trying to get something to drink.
So but no, that that's the way it started.
Ended up being fine after that, you know, obviously it gave my
peers, you know, more confidence and then it would end up going
in. Have you?
So out of those eleven officer involved, shootings for them
were mine. That's wild.
That's truly wild. How big a department are we
talking about? How many sworn?
About just under 70. About six, yeah, About mid 60s.
OK. And what percentage of that?
Including admin though. You sure how many were?
How many people are going to be in the investigative end?
How many people on the patrol end?
Patrol were about, let's see, 6/6, 6:00 and 6:00, so about
close to 30 with maybe canine. You're going to have seven in
the detective Bureau. You got another four in motors.
Then we have some special enforcement details.
So probably about just under 30 in patrol and the rest all
allocated to like special teams. OK.
So just under half is actually doing the daily, the daily
grind, interfacing with the public.
And then you got a handful of people and you eventually left
patrol, it sounded like, right? You moved into a detective role
at some point, yes. How long did that?
How long did that take? That was in 2013, 2012, 2013.
Getting into. 6-7 years, something like that, yeah.
I ended up working the special enforcement detail.
It's kind of like our catch all. You're working massage parlors,
graffitis, homeless, gangs, drugs.
You're you're kind of like the mutt position for.
Utility and theater, I like to call it.
Yeah. There you go, perfect.
You know what, whatever the the city mayor is getting complaints
from, you know, all of a sudden becomes the priority mission we
end up. Did you have a cool name for it?
It was just called Specialty Team.
That's. The no SCD, so we wanted a
cooler name, but that was the name that was there.
So special enforcement detail is what it was.
So yeah, we wanted something cool, but now?
Yeah, you see some of these guys, they figure out they're
like, we're going to be called the Rats.
It's the Rapid Assistance Tactical Squad or something
silly, right? There's everybody in law
enforcement. Half of it is about what you
name is and how cool your patch is.
At that time we actually had some old school administration,
so it was a fight to even have a a drop leg holster.
Really. Yes, they wanted you in just a
regular duty belt. Regular duty belt, so you know
it was you know there was it was frowned upon to be doing work
like in jeans and and pullovers and stuff.
I can. See that, that that is an old
school thing, though. It's, it's like, you know, put
on the uniform. I I've talked to older school
FBI guys who think it's embarrassing that people are out
there working and they're not wearing a suit.
So there's something to be said about that.
And I wonder if there's some culture that got eroded by
losing that professionality. The, you know, the, the, the
visual appearance that people saw.
And when people wanted to go cool guy, 'cause everybody
thinks they're SF, right? Everybody thinks they're a
special truth. When everybody's special,
nobody's special. Isn't that the?
Isn't that the story? That that's why you get cops to
buy $300 flashlights. That's right, I do like a 300.
Flashlight that's at Lowe's is that this one says tactical on
the package. Right, right.
I mean, I like a $300 flashlight as much as the next guy.
I got 1 sitting behind me. So it's made in America, It
makes it work. So but yeah, so we get into
that, we end up getting some new leadership and Chief George
Crumb, solid guy and he's just like, listen, we got a major
gang problem and that's what I want to address.
He ends up making us a full time in house gang team.
And that's pretty much the career changer for me is where
it happened. We excelled right out of the
gate, put major guys away. So the regional team out for the
Valley ended up picking me up, and that's when I got to work
with the DA's office, you know, the FBI, you know, all all the
big dogs, so to speak. And yeah, that lot of great
stories there, man. Were you associated with like a
Haida or something like that or what was the task force you had
that was that would be federal money, if any?
So Haida was from our narc side, so we worked with them, but we
didn't actually work with Hyde themselves.
Like if if we cross pollinated like on an operation or
something we did, but ours was considered.
It was the Coachella Valley Gang Task Force.
So regional task force it. Was a regional task force, so
that's where a lot of that money came from.
And we were pretty much one person from every city that was
out there, including the sheriff's.
So, but it was a how the team man, probably the funnest time
of my career. I think everybody has like one
of those things where you're just like, this was the the few
years that was the most fun. These were the this was the team
that gelled. A lot of it is about
personalities, I think, right. It's got to be about how does
the, how does the, the chemistry of the, the folks on there.
Can you, can you give them a hard time?
Can you riff with them? You know, are they playing
pranks on you? Are they sending funny packages
to your wife? Things like that.
We, we, we may or may not have sent a sex toy to one of my
buddies wives just to, just to let her know that we're all
thinking about him. So we sent it to him from her.
No, to her from him. We put his name as the sender
cause 'cause why not? You just got to sometimes you
got to mix it up with the guys and just let them know that
we're thinking about them in a weird way.
No, it it was not uncommon for your phone number to end up on
like the Backpage to Grinder or like Craigslist, you know,
looking for the home for a three legged goat stuff like.
That catching weird phone calls in the middle of the night
looking like who is this mutant that's calling me right.
Why is this dude sending me text messages?
We're at a conference one time and my buddies there and we end
up putting his his number in an ad.
You know, family has a three legged goat.
They're moving and they can't keep it.
He doesn't want to send it to the slaughterhouse.
Just completely hurt, tear jerking story.
And he's getting his phone is just blowing up the entire
conference. So he's in, then he's like,
listen, you guys need to take it off there.
Because he knows right away what's going on.
This is not like a mystery. Yeah, yeah.
He knows what's going on and I'm there and I'm like, you guys
seriously, like we're here to work, be professional, like, you
know, take this guy's, take it down.
So I'm backing up what he finds out on the last day of the
conference. It's that I'm Judas, man, like
I'm the one. That you're the one who posted
it. That he was so pissed, man.
But it was fun. It was a good story.
So I think we, we heard you said you were involved in four
officer involved shootings. We just heard the one.
Give me one of the other three that's out there since people
will be curious about this And and if you don't mind kind of
focusing too on the physiological reactions that you
had, the thoughts you had after the fact.
Everybody always thinks they're going to be able to handle an
extreme circumstance, Maybe some of the things that you fell back
on or that you rose to the moment or however that kind of
worked out for you. Because I think that's one of
those things that most people will not find themselves tried
in that way, at least not domestically.
And that's a good thing, you know.
Sure. That is that's a good sign of
our society, right? Yeah.
So we'll go back to the first shooting.
The the one thing that was like really sticks out in my mind was
my sense of hearing. Because when you get through
some fight or flight is going to kick in and your brain is going
to say, hey, what organs do need to shut down?
Because I need to send blood and oxygen to what's actually needed
to survive this. And in this case, one of my
senses that actually got enhanced was my hearing.
So if, you know, somebody goes and pulls a report or foils the
audio, when I hear that glass break, you actually hear me say,
you know, he broke the rear slider.
You know, like if my hearing was so in tune that even the
thickness of the glass I was able to separate from a regular
window. So that was that shooting.
But I also remember that shooting, like my sense of smell
was just gone. And I did.
I do remember having some tunnel vision there.
You know, the outside kind of clouded up, didn't get dark on
me, but it fogged out. The second shooting was the
night I got off probation. Because that's just the way
God's sense of humor works right on that one.
So the funny part about this one is this one was a pursuit that
ended up turning to shooting at the tail.
And it was attempt homicide suspect that was running from
me. Well, he'll, he's driving an old
truck has those windows that slide open in the back.
So he opens the window. And of course, what do we all
know in the pursuit, someone opens the window, they're going
to toss out the drugs, they're going to toss out the guns.
So we're on the freeway and I'm looking for a mile marker so I
can let because we're going, we're doing like 120 like we're
hauling butt and well, all of a sudden I see a like these
sparkles on the street. He's tossing something.
It's just ammo your way. So.
Without the casing. Well, here's so I'm going to
clown myself on this one. So I'm telling everybody on the
radio, you know, the play by play, and I'm like, he's tossing
cigarettes out the window, all right?
And then one hits the hood and another one hits the light bar
and I realize, oh, those aren't cigarettes.
No, this clown's shooting at me, right?
And so we end up CHP ends up joining the the pursuit with me.
We got all the way to the bridge on Scirocco Summit.
Guy stops in the middle of the bridge.
And this is about this time, it's probably close to midnight,
1:00 AM. So the only people out in the
road are just us and the truckers.
And so during this time, he was trying to make the truck drivers
crash. So they actually, and this is an
assumption, but I think it's an educated one, All the semis were
all actually pulled off to the side of the road out at some
point. So they're out.
They were in communication saying, hey, there's some crazy
guy in the freeway. So we get to truck with Summit.
He goes on the bridge, stops right in the middle of the
bridge. You know, we make the Y form
right behind them and then it's the OK corral.
Man, the craziest shooting I was ever in.
I got actually got down to my last mag on this one.
And yeah, it was. It was.
What did you carry for patrol? 21 in the in the gun and two on
the side Or do you carry 3? So at that time it was one in
the gun, two in the belt, one in my cargo pocket or sat pocket,
and then more in the in the car, which were, you know, rookies,
right? I had a bunch of unloaded mags
with ammo. Good to go.
Yeah, Box of ammo. I used to love guys that would
carry that. That made me.
It's like, hold on, bad guys. I got to.
Right. I learned real quick from that
one. So then all of a sudden there's
a low on the action, dust starting to settle, and the
truck starts to roll back. So I'm yelling at the CHP guys,
hey, watch the crossfire. Because if this clown starts to
shoot when he gets between us, you know, all of a sudden.
It's rolling towards you, not rolling away from you.
Now it's rolling backwards towards us on park here.
He's literally rolling backwards between the two cars.
He goes between us, nothing happens.
He rolls rolls down the embankment.
I run over the CHP car to make sure he's OK.
And I don't know, it's actually a two man car.
CHP runs two guys at night and one of them had a rifle.
So we at this point we have two pistols and a rifle.
So we make sure there's no holes in US.
I mean, it's he's down invitement.
So like, you know, we're, we're able to safely check us our
check ourselves out without worrying too much about what
he's going to do. So we make the plan.
Hey, you have the rifle, You stay up here.
We're going to walk all the way around, come up behind him.
Something moves in that truck, man, you light it up.
Because once we get behind the truck, there's no cover.
How's the how's the lighting situation down there?
It was, it was weak, but since we're out in the middle of
nowhere, the moonlight was actually giving us some pretty
good light. OK, so.
What about flashlights? You have a $300 flashlight ready
to go? Or what was the story?
No, I was still a rookie, so I'm still carrying the, you know,
the long D cells mag light. So nothing fancy.
But yeah, we do have our lights. And like I said, the moonlight
did a pretty good job of lighting up the desert.
So we come all the way. Actually was a good thing
because like I said, it was just nothing but soft cover that
we're operating behind. So we make our way to the back
of the truck. We get there, we're calling out
some, no response. We probably should have just
stayed where we're at and held the position.
But you know, I'm a rookie in their CHP, love you CHP, but
I've built these operations. So I tell the CHP officer, I go,
hey, and I'm going to climb in the truck.
If this dude moves like you better waste them right?
Yeah, hindsight would have did so many things different.
Yeah, vehicle assault from climbing in the tailgate is not
SO. PS For any department I'm aware
of. No, no, this is total 18 month
rookie cop move right here, right?
This is where sometimes you got to leave the Marine Corps behind
you, you know, and not operate that movement to contact stuff.
So he goes, all right, I got you.
So he's covering me. I climb in, I go in there and,
you know, see some gruesome stuff.
He's out of the fight, we get out and by this time, you know,
we're up. You know, if you've ever been in
California and you're driving eastbound on the 10th through
Palm Springs and you can see the lights going up the mountain,
we're like out there. So since we have the elevation,
we literally just see like a train of police cars coming, the
bird coming. And after that point, you know,
we just sat and wait. And then after that, you know,
it's this central homicide unit that comes out and does all the
procedural stuff. But but so on that one, what?
Was he shooting at you with through the window?
Was that a handgun that he was throwing around?
All couple. Guns those.
There was a couple different guns so I don't remember all the
exact calibers. None of them were rifles.
If I remember correctly it was all handguns.
Truck ended up being stolen out of Havasu.
It just wasn't reported yet. He was.
He was a Nazi little writer gang member.
He was an NLR. He was wanted for 1/10 homicide.
His brother's actually actually. Did you say 10th homicide?
Attempt homicide. Oh, attempted.
I thought I heard 10th and I was like good Lord, oh.
Yeah, Jesus. But his brother at the time, I
don't know if he's ever been arrested, but his brother at the
time was wanted for murder of a cop.
So his brother had already killed a cop.
So. And so here's the thing, and
I'll rewind to the beginning of this story of just trusting your
gut. You know, that training, I
always tell everybody your eyes are picking up a million signals
that are going to your brain and your brain's just trying to
prioritize what it's going to translate to an image for you or
focus on that image. When I initially saw this truck,
because I was working in an area that was taking a lot of birds
and I was like, you know what, my buddy wanted to go Denny's.
I was like, hey, I'll meet you there.
Let me just go, you know, make a presence here for a little bit,
right? Denny's and coffee, right?
So I go, I park, shut down all my lights.
I park in front of a like AU haul style moving truck and I'm
just sitting there waiting, right?
Windows down. Here's something, see something
and all of a sudden I see this car come off the intersection or
this truck come off the intersection real slow.
So I'm like, all right, red flag #1.
And it's just coasting down the street.
So I'm like, OK, well, as soon as they, because they and they
can't see me because like I said, I got this like moving
truck behind me and I'm watching them through my side mirror.
So as soon as they come next to me, I hit him with the alley
light and two white males. And then they give that, you
know, uh oh, look, I'm like all right, red flag #2 they keep
driving that get behind them. I run the plate, like I said,
comes to Havasu, but not reported yet.
And the third red flag is he comes and he stops right in the
middle of the street. So the left side of the street
or the north side of the street, complete desert right side was
the residential is the last St. in that community, most northern
part of our city. He stops right in the middle of
the street and right there probable cause, right vehicle
violation. Easy 1 So I get ready to my
fingers literally on the toggle switch to hit my overheads
passenger door open. So what do you do?
You crack your door open because you're not going to get caught
slipping. And I'm telling you, it's almost
like like my guardian Angel literally was holding my hand.
It's like do not hit that light. So now the passengers getting
out, you know young gun hold cop, right?
And well, here's the other thing.
The house they stopped in front of is a prolly house known
prolly house. We know there's drugs, we know
there's guns. This is a bad house.
And so the passenger gets off. He's walking towards the house.
He's looking at the truck, looking at me, looking at the
truck, looking at me. So now I'm pissed, right?
I'm like, well, if there's anything in that truck, this
dude just got off with it. But trust in my gut.
So I'm like, all right, as soon as this guy takes off, you know,
I'll, I'll light him up with the lights.
Because you had to make a decision basically whether
you're going to go after the passenger that was getting out,
which may have evidence of whatever crime you think is
going on there. All right, this is just gut
check stuff or you stick around with a mobile threat and have
somebody go and because they could toss that paroli's house,
right? Like that's easy.
Absolutely. So you can always send somebody
in there backwards. So that's one of those things
you don't have the benefit of all the like multiple years.
This is just a gut instinct at this point.
So but. Gut instinct at 18 months, man.
But still good. And so I go, OK, as soon as this
guy turns the corner, I'll light him up and turns into a pursuit.
Well, here's the thing. Hindsight, knowing that this
guy's, you know, criminal experience, there's no doubt in
my mind he knew if he stopped in the middle of the street, what's
the cop going to do? Traffic stop.
There's no doubt in my mind that if I walk up to that window, you
know that that barrel's waiting for me.
And in those situations, you guys, it's just it's.
There's a reason why ambushes are very successful, doesn't
matter how much training you have.
Absolutely. And you know, I, I think I'm
here today because I made the decision to follow my gut on
that one. So the other thing is he'd have
you in kind of an l-shaped ambush there if he's got a guy
that's already out in mobile and you can only track one threat at
a time, right. So once again, one of those
things, this is the the downside of having only single, single
singled up patrol when we only have one police officer in a
single car, you know, we expand our resources, be able to be
able to see more things. And I used to work surveillance
with a single guy in a car too. So very similar, like you're
running as a Singleton, but you don't have that extra set of
eyes, you don't have that extra awareness.
It's whatever the heck that the main threat is, and the
secondary threat can be the one that kills you so.
And he knows too, like I said, the north side of that street is
complete desert. So I there's no cover to run to
that way. He stopped in the middle of the
street. So I'm in the middle of the
street. So to get to cover to other
vehicles, you know, I'm running through his sights or the other
guy's sights. So I mean, the guy planned it.
Well, if I would have actually, you know, bit the bait and
walked up to that window. So, but that that was, that was
the second one. Third one, thank God, was years
later. That was in 2012.
And that was a sniper ambush. You know, it's we survived it.
We never caught the guy at the time, but we ended up finding
who at least credible information from some of our
street rats who did it. So that was a third one.
And then the 4th 1 was a foot pursuit where the guy cranked
around off at as he missed. And you know, we took him into
custody. He survived.
So, you know, he didn't have to get shot for that one.
That's fair. Those were the four.
Yeah, that's, I mean, so I do all that to to kind of establish
credibility that you you've been on the street doing the thing
that people think law enforcement is supposed to be
doing. You're out there being the
bullet magnet being, you know, interdicting threats that are
happening. So, you know, a woman in a
stroller is not going to be the one who receives that or some
poor SAP who's out, you know, driving home late from a
girlfriend's house is the guy that runs into that truck or
whatever else it is. So that's, that's part of what I
wanted to establish on there. Let's let's move forward.
You went to a specialty unit. I assume that there was some
competition to get there. What, what rank were you by the
time you ended up dealing with the, the nightmare that we're
going to walk through here? That I think it's sort of the
the focal point of why you're sitting here instead of sitting
in a patrol car sitting at a desk right now.
Work in cases. I was the detective and I was
probably about three years out from Sergeant, two to three
years out from Sergeant, OK. And so, and if I was still there
right now, I'd probably, I'd probably be testing for
Commander Lieutenant. OK, Tell people how rank works.
I don't. I think a lot of people, people
in the military probably have a pretty good instinct of how
these things work. Tell people about law
enforcement rank and what that looks like in most departments.
I think they're fairly similar if you don't mind.
Yeah, so sheriffs will be a little different because you'll
have a corporal before the Sergeant and you have some
municipal agencies that'll handle it out.
Here it goes. You have your your patrol guys.
So your rank and file, the watch commander is going to be a
Sergeant, a larger agency. The watch commander may be a
Lieutenant, but for us it was patrol.
Then for patrol you had a watch commander.
Then top of the watch commander, you had the Lieutenant, you
know, that would be in charge of either patrol, special units,
dispatch, you know, admin. But it went.
So you have patrol and then you'd have the next level
patrol, which is it's not a actual rank, but it's a, it's a
billet is you would have detectives or you would have the
motor division. So all of our billets were kind
of an equilibrium as far as paying incentives.
But you know, personally people have the preference and where
people held them. But on paper, you have patrol
and then you have detectives. After detectives you would have
your Sergeant. After your Sergeant, you would
have your Lieutenant, which they renamed now to commander.
After your commander you have your deputy chief, and then
after your deputy chief, you have your chief.
So that's the way our our rank and file work fire department.
And that like you said about 70 people.
So that's I would say on the small end of a medium sized
apartment. Is that about right?
Yeah. And and we were top heavy too,
so. And that's something.
And California say that ain't so.
Yeah. And so for those that don't know
what I mean by top heavy is we had a lot of supervision and the
ratios were off supervision to to patrol.
We could have actually, you know, done we we didn't need
some of the leadership positions.
We had great people, some of them, but you could have
employed two or three cops per one of those positions.
Yeah. Well, I think we're seeing that
in a lot of places that are sort of left-leaning, whether it be
in administration for education, whether it be for, you know, you
think about why your Social Security is not making money or
why it's not so effective. It's because you've got a huge
agency out there just basically moving a, a flat dollar amount
and algorithm that should be pretty straightforward.
And law enforcement's no different.
There's a, some of it's a jobs program and some of it is doing
the work that you were talking about doing.
So I think everybody kind of knows that when you're in there
long enough, it doesn't matter what government agency, whether
it's local, state or federal, they all have a lot of bloat and
waste and, and they argue on behalf of themselves.
Did you guys have a fitness standard out of curiosity?
Yes, we did. Was that so?
Was that for admin and for not for admin?
I mean, was that for a command staff too?
Or is it just for guys on the on the bricks?
You know, I don't remember if our command staff had it.
You could tell by looking at them usually.
So, well, the majority of our command staff, it was.
So our, our, our agency was a knuckle dragging agency.
OK, so you know, we had a few sloppies, but the majority of
the people at our department were pretty fit.
Like it, it was, it was a department with a reputation,
you know, So it was, I'll, I'll leave it at that.
You know, we used to have the running joke that, you know,
when the gang members are in a pursuit, you know, they'll go
from Palm Desert to the freeway, go around Cathedral City and
then go back into Palm Springs, You know, because, you know,
Cathedral City, the officers there, it's like, you know,
we're going to protect the community.
There's something to be said about having that kind of
reputation. All right, I'm going to show you
a wild story because I got into this, this weird little, I don't
know, just rabbit hole. So when I was suspended and then
I came back, I had six weeks of not working on anything, right?
And one of the things that I did was like, what the heck am I
doing here? They told me to go to Hidalgo
County, which is just the boot heel of New Mexico.
It's it's far on. It's right on the edge of
Arizona and Mexico. Basically.
That's the corner that it fills in.
OK, So it's not, it's not awesome.
A lot of open land, I think 3300 square miles, something like the
population of 3000 people. So very, very small, 1 little
tiny city. And so I started digging in the
history of it because what the heck, right?
I'm just waiting to go drive out there and I want to know what
the heck I'm driving into. And I, I came across this thing
called the top 10 most dangerous lawman of the Old West, like the
unknowns, right? Everybody's heard of Wyatt Earp,
everyone's heard of Doc Holiday, everyone's heard the big names
from all the movies. There's a guy named Dangerous
Dan Tucker, whose name might not have actually been Dan, but
that's what he picked up. Apparently he was born in
Canada. I almost said Canadia because I
do that sometimes as a joke and now it's stuck in my head.
So the guy was born in Canada, moved to Denver, got in like a
knife fight or a bar fight or something and killed a guy and
then ran at like 2021 years old, ends up in Hidalgo County in
Silver City, which used to be like a mining city, as you can
imagine, right? And, and I'm going somewhere
with this. So there's actually a point to
this. But apparently he became one of
the deadliest lawmen in the history of the Old West.
Like his first shooting happened very similar to what you're
talking about. First couple days on patrol,
he's literally walking down the street.
There were a lot of like people that would come up from Mexico.
So legitimate Mexican citizens that were up there because the
border wasn't a thing. And so anyway, they got into it
and they would get drunk in the salons and pick fights with each
other and bring beef from somewhere else.
And anyway, so some guy basically invisorated another
guy, got it in with a knife and then got into this thing,
stepped down to the street and there's dangerous dance.
Sure enough. And apparently the sheriff's son
was standing right next to him like a nine year old, because
this is all part of the legend, right?
And he draws down and shoots the guy 50 yards in the dark right
through the neck. Told him first guy he's got
killed and he does it again like 6 months later.
Some guy throws a bunch of like boulders.
I don't know, he had like a bag of rocks or something or bricks.
And he's throwing them out of the the top window of a saloon
from the second story into the street and he's throwing them at
the passersby. So dangerous Dan shoots him out
of the window and kills him. He just like he starts getting
into all these wild gunfights. People can go look up dangerous
Dan Tucker. It's one of the great like weird
things that I've stumbled upon in my reading from the state of
New Mexico. But he was notorious for causing
piece to break out wherever he went because he just killed
people. I mean, he and like they said
something like 21 kills on duty and that didn't count the time
that he rode for the for Wells Fargo.
And, you know, Diddle got on the stagecoaches 'cause he was
riding stagecoaches too. And those guys didn't even tell
anybody. They would just blast somebody
on the side of the mountain and leave them there.
So anyway, long and short of it is the rumor goes that in the
desert as the as Doc Holiday and Wyatt Earp, we're leaving the OK
Corral. Now we got 2 two touch points
because you mentioned your OK Corral scenario as those guys
were leaving and they were heading east.
They apparently dodged all of Hidalgo County to stay out of
the territory. A dangerous Dan because he had a
reputation for settling problems and you didn't want to be on the
wrong side of this guy. And it's I think it's funny that
it doesn't matter how far back you go because they didn't have,
you know, GPS. They didn't have like really
great maps. Even this is all line of sight
stuff. This is just guys like you word
of mouth, but you know, certain areas and certain lawmen have
reputation that goes to the to the wrong side and to the right
side. And if you're on the wrong side
of the law, you know, like, hey, maybe maybe this is not the
place to go have that last stand.
And it's funny that there's a little tiny place that no one's
ever heard of called Cathedral City that has that wrap on the
either side of two bigger areas Because, you know, word gets
around. People know when not to screw
around and where where they can and where they can't get away
with it, which is probably why our country has so many weird
problems like we do today. There's a lot of places where
you can screw around and get away with it right it.
It was an important reputation and you know, in FTL they told
us, you know, don't be the generation that ruins that
reputation because that reputation keeps you out of
fights. You know that the the reputation
itself, you know, creates a a mutual respect to be like, oh,
wait, we're going to play by the rules tonight.
So it was important. You know, we had the same
Sergeant Ed Cologne. This was the thing he told you.
He goes, you ask, you tell, you make.
Yeah. And either one of those requires
of repeating yourself 10 times. What do you Yeah, What do you
think? Because there's a lot of videos,
a lot of body Cam footage out. There's a lot of security Cam
footage where you see people and they're just telling somebody
over and over and over again, you know, drop the knife, drop
the knife or put it down, all this kind of thing.
Not the way I was trained, but I think the way that most people
are are built is that they are not ready to engage in the next
step of violence and escalation. How did you guys deal with that
in training to be able to just know that like ask, tell, make
like, like you're like you're actually taught anything that
you had to overcome that? It was, I didn't struggle with
it too much and it was, it was probably because we were trained
right. It's like you ask and then it
was like, it wasn't just like, or you ask him now you tell him
it was like you ask and then we were very good in our scenario
training. So you got to ask in these
scenarios and saw what an uncooperative person look like,
whether it was passive, whether it was aggressive, you know,
different types of the people you were dealing with.
And so once you got through to that, all right, I've asked
them, they're not doing it. Why am I going to keep asking?
It was your brain was already in the process of OK, now I'm going
to tell them, you know, and how am I going to tell them the same
scenario if I'm dealing with someone who's passive or
regressive or, you know, something else.
And then it got to the point where now you're going to
establish, all right, now I'm going to make them, you know, do
I have backup with me? Do I need to call backup?
What's my surrounding look like? Is it even worth it based on the
surrounding that I have going right now?
Or do I have enough information, somebody I know a vehicle and
address to where? All right, I'm going to let this
guy, he's going to get away with this one.
We're going to do the warrant because the risk to the public
is just not worth it here, you know, and obviously this.
Is all experience. This is all like a lot of a lot
of time and calculus that gets done in a few seconds.
Basically, you're making those decisions.
Yeah. And and that's why I always tell
people you can have someone say, you know what, I worked for 20
years. Years of service don't always
represent experience. You know, you, you can have
someone that has three years on the job but is working like, you
know, the dark side of Compton and that three years on the job
is equivalent to like 7 or 14 years somewhere else.
So. Like we saw that that woman who
went and, and yelled Taser, Taser and ended up shooting the
guy and you know, female, she's a training age or a training
officer at that point and she's got 20 years on the force.
But at the same time, it's like, were those 20 years the same as
as somebody who was doing a lot of reps and getting a lot of
kinetic hits and, and making a lot of hard decisions every
single day so that they, when they're put to the decision for
their chips, they make the right one?
Yeah, we, we were very lucky. You know, our, our, our training
staff, they were on point. You know, we put that, you know,
it was a lead pipe that would go around your arm.
Aren't your arm's out of the fight.
How you going to reload? How you going to shoot, you
know, so learning different ways to to do that.
You know, we, we shot from inside vehicles, you know, in,
in these training scenarios. So you know, Hey, what's it
sound like when you're clanking metal?
You know, what's it, what's it feel like?
When when that mechanical offset is not right and you're putting
it into your dashboard or put it into your door instead of going
through the open hole, right because you're just trying to
find a small spot a. 100% It's one thing to shoot silicone,
it's one thing to shoot paper, it's another thing to shoot a
target that's in a driver's seat and you're shooting through a
van. Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's
a lot different. So our, our training, I'll give
it to them, man. They were.
They were dialed in for that. Was that stuff that was before
Will Petty was doing his vehicle dynamics or whatever he calls
his thing, Is that correct? Like this was something that
they had come up with on their own.
I'm not familiar with him. So yeah, Will Petty, I think he
was a Dallas cop. So folks, some folks don't know
he, I think he's with centrifuge training, but he does something
where he lets anybody come in and it comes from law
enforcement experience because I think they say something like
80% of your shootings are around a vehicle.
So I know the, I know the Bureau picked up, sent guys to his
school to figure out what he was all about and then came back and
did it. I, I did it 2 times at least.
They call it vehicle dynamics or a vehicle CQB, that kind of
thing. But yeah, if you haven't shot
through a windshield and watched the glass come back at you and
learn that your first couple rounds aren't going to hit what
you think they are. And if you haven't seen somebody
like stitch up the front of their hood because they're
trying to shoot, but their optic is high and their barrel is low
on a rifle and they're just sending it into the, into the,
the, the steel there and it's not going anywhere and just
ripping through the middle of the engine.
Different animal. Totally different animal than
than engaging paper targets on a flat range which most people
stop with. And then, you know, like, like
you and and so many other people that took the job serious my
entire my entire shift. I'm running scenarios, man.
You know that I'm going to go grab something quick to eat out
of Panda Subway or you know I'm going to go refuel at one of our
refueling centers. You know it.
It was always scenarios, man. Always scenarios 24/7.
Before we get into, I want to, I want to do your certificates
because I know you had a lot of certifications that that sort of
led to some of the additional credibility.
I just want people to have a really good sense of what kind
of person you are before this, before we get into the the meat
and potatoes of how awful this kind of scenario is.
That's where I may have my blood boil.
So this is detoxing for me. One of the things we used to
play with that we would always tape tennis balls.
People can do this, by the way, if you're if you're a shooter,
like many people are probably that.
Listen to this podcast, you know, get a tennis ball, get
some duct tape, wrap it a couple times.
Take your your good hand out of the fight.
Take your bad hand out of the fight.
Figure out what you can do with the stump if you got shot.
That's not that's no longer operable.
Doesn't mean that you don't have an arm.
Doesn't mean you don't have things that can hold stuff like
your elbows. But figure out what it is.
We used to do those and take something out The lead pipe is
not what I've heard before, but that sounds awful.
Yeah. Just having something that takes
that hand out of the fight is good.
You mentioned something about when you when you stop, the
first thing you did was you had your windows down so you could
listen. Was that something you always
did, or was that just because the night was nice and it just
happened to be the right moment? 99% of the time, if I'm not on
the freeway, my windows were down.
And, and that was just, if you can't hear it, you don't know
what's coming. That's right.
You know, So it was especially at night, you know, we had kill
switches on our vehicles. So you hit that even when you're
breaking, no one sees your lights.
And it allows us to, you know, creep up on the bad guys.
Well, you got to hear it and you'll you'll hear it before you
see it most of the time. Yeah.
You ever had anybody, you know, you hear a scuffle that
someone's walking on the street behind you and they're way
further back than you thought they were.
But you're like you're, you're just sure that they're right
there on your quarter panel. And and you had that, just that
extra little second to prepare yourself for probably nothing,
but you never know. How I got that pucker factor a
couple times when something seem a lot closer than it was.
So yeah, I'm talking about. It's, it's useful folks, if
you're not running like even your, your passenger windows,
the ones that are behind you, if you're in a four wheel, 4 door
vehicle, I used to run the minivan on surveillance a lot.
And what I was 1 inch will be the difference between you
knowing that something is there and not at all.
And you can still be cold outside.
You can roll that thing and you just have incredible situation
awareness compared to the person who's got the windows up.
So if you're out there and you're looking.
And I always try to give people tips on how to not be a victim
#1 and how to just be aware of your surroundings because you
know, it's an asymmetric world. Like there's all kinds of things
that are out there. You don't know what's happening
all the time. So the more you can give
yourself that advantage, that one extra second to prepare.
I'll tell you a funny story. I was down in Phoenix.
I was going down to go tape Jesse Waters of all the dumb
things in the world. So I'm driving down to go to a
Fox interview. And I don't like cities.
As you can probably, you know, the minute that you've been in
law enforcement and you've seen what happens when a lot of
people get together, like some of those people suck, right?
They're just always going to be some of those people.
So I'm driving, I'm stopped at a light.
This dude drives past me in the left lane.
He's going to go make a turn. I think he's going to make a
left hand turn at the light. All sudden his reverse lights
kick on. And man, I, I was out of the
holster before the, before the car even got to my, to my, my
headlights, you know, and he's crawling back and he was just
turning into the gas station. It wasn't anything.
It's just one of those moments where you know whether or not
you're paying attention or not and what your reaction is.
And my reaction is defense 100% because that minivan usually has
my kids in it. So it's like, man, if I got to
shoot through the glass, so be it.
I can buy another glass. I can't buy another kid and I
can't buy another me So. That's a good one, man.
I, I had a suspect reverse his car into me one time.
You know, he was, I stopped him and it was the guy we're looking
for and he tried to get my airbags to deploy.
Thank God they didn't, right? But he, it dazed me, man.
And I I just remember being dazed.
That's that OODA loop. If they can, if they can get
inside of your decision making process, they can throw you off.
And your goal is always to stay ahead of theirs.
So people do things you don't expect if you don't expect it.
That's why those scenarios are so important.
Yeah, he, he hit it. And like I said, I just remember
seeing the driver door open. He steps out.
So yeah, I, I broke leather real quick and it turned into a
nothing burger. But man, it's your your heart
rate jumps really quick. Yeah, it gives you a good
chance. All right, walk me through some
of the professional certifications you had in law
enforcement 'cause we're going to get into who who exactly it
was that the FBI decided to come into the House of and I want you
to kind of establish some of those more professional
credentials. I know you spend a lot of time
working on it. You took your job seriously.
People got the the war stories are always fun.
I think people like listening to this podcast 'cause we get to
just kind of bro out a little bit with a like minded people
and that's always good. Just listening to the shop talk,
but moreover, you know, what were the professional
credentials that you brought to the job before you were removed?
You had 14 years to build them up.
So just run me through them if you would.
Yeah, I mean, the reason I'll have the credentials I'm going
to talk about right now is just because of what the job meant to
me, not just because it was a lifelong dream.
But there's a computer community and and they trust you and they
don't trust you to make a rest. They trust you to put people
away. You know, an arrest is easy,
but, you know, making sure you dial in the paper so there's
actually a conviction is what becomes more important.
And you're not going to get that unless you study, you ask
questions and and you hone in your skills.
And that led to me getting a lot of accolades.
So ended up getting the Medal of Valor in 2012, which is the
highest award for us in law enforcement.
I have congressional awards from the Senate.
That's the United States Senate or the California Senate.
The United States Senate and the California Senate.
So from both I have two, two police chief awards.
I have detective of the year, investigator of the year, police
officer of the year. I have an award from the FBI.
Yeah, I saw this thing that somebody was accusing me of
being a fed the other day and then you said yeah, he, I heard
he got an award from comedy. What was the circumstances that
you were awarded that? So it was how they were doing an
investigation how to do a child crimes.
We had information to help them out with.
So we shared some of that information.
Ultimately it led to a good arrest and there was a few of us
that were involved in in getting receiving that award.
And I want to say that was in 20/13/2014.
That's what it I think that's what your tweet said, something
like that. 14 Did you meet the Did you meet the man?
No, no, no, just just got the actually it's behind the green
screen hanging up on the wall that has a signature.
So I was just like, well, probably the award, maybe not
the name, that's on it. You know what it's about.
Yeah. It's all about the work that he
did. It doesn't mean that guy was a
terrible human being for every minute of his life.
It doesn't mean he didn't make good decisions.
Just mean that the one that that mattered where, you know, maybe
betrayed some of the American people's trust just.
A little bit, just a little bit teeny bit, you know, had got
some individual awards, you know, for some of the
investigations into the one percenters did a large scale
investigation that got me a chief's award that involved
three different counties, multiple SWAT teams, most
multiple federal agencies and was getting ready to actually
testify in a federal court as a court expert for gangs before
everything kind of came to a crashing in right in there.
So it was, I would say that's the majority of them right
there. And you had so you were like
expert witness level testimony on on gangs.
Was there a certification you had that that allowed you to do
that, or was that just time and grade and experience?
No, no, the court, actually, the court down here has to finally
do the certification. So, you know, once the DA gets
to a level of confidence you have and, you know, certain
reports, certain convictions, the DA will request the judge to
appoint you as a court expert. And of course the other side has
the ability to the challenge it. You got to pass all the, you
know, the questions and stuff they ask.
And ultimately the judges say, OK, you know, you're recognized
as a court expert, which is funny because even after I
wasn't working for them anymore, I'm still getting calls from LA
Clear and all these different, hey, you know, we're looking at
this and I'm just like, you know, you mind if we go and, you
know, look into this guy? I'm like, yeah, it's, it's not
on my plate right now. That's.
That is not the that is not the game you're playing.
How many years were you on SWAT? Oh.
I never made it to SWAT. OK.
Did you guys have a team that was like a full Time Team or was
it just a no? It was, it was a, it was a
collateral duty. So, and since I was able to get
onto the Kajala Valley Game Task Force, that was actually our
version of SWAT on the gangs because, you know, and this is
where, you know, you flex each other's feathers back and forth
for sure in our SWAT guys. And it's not their fault, you
know, because all those are are some awesome guys.
But it's a day and age where it's the surrounding call out.
You know, the only ones that were kicking in doors was the
gang task force, you know. So what?
So when you brought up having the bean point man or being the
one with the ram, I know exactly what that's like.
Yeah. Somebody's got to breach.
Some more stories, yeah, someone's got to breach and
there's something to be said if you're that first guy or the
second guy because. Yeah, the second guy might get,
might catch more flak than the first guy because the first guy
opens up their their eyes to what's happening.
The second guy may be the one who's stuck in that door.
So. So you had a more kinetic team
than than the surrender call out, which is.
That makes sense. We had a very, very kinetic
team, which was, which was fun. You know, it was a fun thing to
be a part of. Yeah, I mean, that's, and that's
The funny thing. Like guys who want to do that
kind of job, want to do that kind of job.
They don't want to ride a desk. They won't, you know, you want
to be on the street, you want to be seeing the bad guys, You want
to run it down just like your first day off fto you like your
instinct. It's like, go put me where I
need to be. That's, that's kind of the thing
that we all signed up to do, whether it's sheepdog mentality
or whatever you want to call it, that drive to go and do that,
that, that job that other people cannot and should not probably.
For me, Kyle is it was, I guess if you had to boil down, why did
I want to do what I did, it was anti bullying.
I just have never liked bullying, but not in the terms
of what the people see it in school.
For me, it's just I don't like people out there that take
advantage of other people just because they know they can do it
and the people won't stand up for themselves or they're
scared. And you know, that's the way I
saw gangs. That's the way I saw criminals,
man. And and that's where my
motivation came from. That's really easy, right?
It's what is my, my buddy Steve Fran says.
It's not easy. It's simple.
Yeah, right. But I feel, I feel exactly the
same way. He's a bad ass.
He's a good dude, right? I'm glad I I'm glad you got to
go. So if you haven't checked out
Alpha's show, by all means, check out Alpha Warrior.
And he recently interviewed our buddy who shows up on our not
only did he show up on our show a whole bunch, but he also got
grilled about it in front of Congress, which is very funny.
They asked him how much money I paid him to be on my show, which
is, which is my favorite. Just complete lack of
understanding of what's happening in the world around
these people. All right, so let's move forward
until I guess we're going to get to the end of 2020 contentious
election, right? And and you had a Twitter
presence while you how big was your Twitter account that you
were? I had an insignificant digital
footprint. Actually all my fighting was on
Instagram. That's that's where I posted all
my information. Not a decent one, probably like
2 or 3000, which is nothing in the scheme of you know who.
No I have 1000 people following me on Instagram and I have 4
posts total I've I've never even on Instagram I don't even know
who it is. I think probably half of them
are like only fans girls or something that just need to get
that are trying to get followers or they're feds that are
pretending to be only fans girls, whatever it is.
But yeah, so OK, so you had a couple thousand following you on
Instagram. You got almost nothing on
Twitter. You got 17,000 people following
you right now. So tell people your handle.
So we'll, we'll, we'll do it a couple times, but.
Yeah, so my main main handle is on Twitter.
It's X Alpha Warrior X the backup account is Alpha Warrior
Inc Inc and that only exists because ultimate end up in the
platform by Twitter. But yeah, so IGD platforms me.
So I'm just like, man, you know, we're, we're moving on
elections. Like I need to stay in this
fight. So I'm like, why have my Twitter
account let me go to that thing I've had?
What was motivating you, by the way, Because I always stayed
away from social media, I figured like that was the first
way to, to lose my job. I, I never thought that somebody
would kick in my door over it. But you know, there's, there's
an instinct. There's two types of I think
local law enforcement has a lot more leeway.
I think feds knowing what our background check and our our
security clearance, you don't have to worry about nearly as
much what what motivated you to be on social media and engage in
like the information fight, which is really what that is.
The heartbreaking part was my Instagram was it was just my
personal account, you know, family pictures, kids, all that.
And then all of a sudden we saw what was happening with the
elections. We saw fraud that, you know, at
least a strong allegation of fraud that was taking place.
You know, enough to question, enough to question.
And people were just like, well, you know, the news is saying
this and I'm just like, the news is lying to you.
We've never seen the the news lie when you're in law
enforcement, right? Like it always tells the truth
about what happened. Always, always.
It's just like, you know, don't you know, don't listen to them.
We are supposed to tell you what.
Yeah, we're the news. We tell you what to think.
What with Joe Scarborough's wife, Mika, whatever her name,
Burzynski. We tell people what to think.
That's brutal.
That's a popular video. But yeah, I just saw that.
And I was just like, you know what?
I at least got to give people a, a, a different perspective, you
know, and so, you know, I started posting things and, you
know, got some traction, got invited to, you know, some DM
chats, you know, where you have the, have you heard of this?
Have you heard of that? Some of it's wild stuff.
And then some of it, you know, had some, had some meat to it,
you know, and so then Instagram takes me down.
So I'm just like, man, we're close to the election.
I got to stay in this. So I'm like, so I moved to
Twitter since I had a pre-existing account that is
carried from there, but I only had like 53500 people.
Like it was definitely maybe 600 tops was all I had so. 600 tops.
You were like, right in the range of people that needed to
be cancelled based on what we've been seeing in the Twitter
Files, right, 100? Percent Now You're the Guy
influence at 600 people. And you were getting Russian
money, obviously, right? The Russians were. 100 hundred
100% you know, the oligarchs were, you know, making sure that
you know, I drive out to LA, stop by the laundry mat pick up
my cut like it was everything was on point.
You know, you know, make sure I go have you know, some, some
some of the special water with, you know, the the mob guys and.
I would shoot. Out I would shoot up to Northern
California because I wanted to go get my Triad money too, like
you know. Yeah, you got to touch all the,
yeah, all the bases. You might as well if you're
going to go, if you're going to take the money from the overseas
you. Got to make sure we're
controlling the West Coast, you know, so bad.
So, so all 600 followers and and then were were you involved in
after the election, were you sending out thoughts on that
like in the lead up to January 6th, which is where we're going
to be getting to in a second here?
Was there stuff you were saying? Yeah, I was, I was leading up to
the election saying, hey, look, you know, all hands point
towards there's going to be some funny business here.
Like people need to pay attention.
You know, you had Trump putting out the fake news and things
like that. So, you know, I'd reiterate a
lot of those messages, some of the bigger accounts that I would
felt, you know, that I was following, retweet their stuff.
Then we saw the election unfold. And like everybody else, you
know, I was still watching at 3:00 AM, you know, when you saw
the numbers jump, you know, and. And.
Yeah. That wasn't everybody that saw
that, but there were some of us that were just looking going
like. Yeah.
Because it was a consequential election, one way or another.
Yeah, I I had the sandbags like these, but just bigger at the
time because you don't following and tracking and all that
because I didn't just want to read about it.
I want to witness these things. I want to be able to say I saw
it, not I heard someone like I witnessed it And I remember
we're watching Fox and I don't remember the exact numbers, but
it was a significant amount. You know, several thousands of
votes all of a sudden just changed.
You know, we're taken from Trump and they were on Biden side.
And and this will lead into one of the conversations I had with
the with the FBI agents when they were here.
But yeah, so I was posting that information even though, you
know, I was in a battle with my agency for my job.
I've never been anti badge, you know to to this day I backed the
badge. They're amazing men and women
that work there. There's a lot of mistakes that
are happening right now, but there's amazing people that work
there. I still believe that I would
still die for the badge. It means that much to me.
So a lot of my teeths when it wasn't about political stuff, it
was about law enforcement in the community.
I was in a position to where the things you want to say on
patrol, like you said, you know, there's certain things you want
to say, but you're bound by policy and you can't.
While I was in a position where I could talk about it, you know,
I could talk about, yeah, you guys are complaining about
traffic stops, but here's how to actually have a safe traffic
stop. Understand, This is why the cop
probably had his gun out when he was walking up to the car.
Has nothing to do with systemic racism.
Has nothing to do with this. Chances are he doesn't even know
what you look like. Right.
It's all about safe tactics, whatever the TTPS are for the
traffic stop in that area or based on the surroundings or
whatever, right? You 100%.
So you just, you open a little door.
I want to just have you walk through it quickly and kind of
give people the brief story. You got removed from your
department. Under what circumstances?
They said the two final things was it was a homicide case.
That was a total to see. It was that one's a shit show.
I got to say it. And then the other one, they
said there was a man Acps report and I didn't take the case as a
mandated reporter. Now the media will go out and
say, oh, he lied on a time card and like they threw something
else out there what the other one is, but it's not true.
Like if you once again, you can ask me for it, I'll e-mail it to
you or you can do the, you know, 4 requests from the department.
You'll see the two things I was terminated for was a homicide
case. And then like I said, the case
is a mandated reporter was. The homicide case, the one that
you told me that just had terrible PC that they were
trying to write up. So no, no, that was a search
warrant one. This was another one, same
detective though that imagine that same detective on both
those cases. But the homicide case, it stems
from a case that was in 2008, maybe I don't remember the year,
but it was an old, it was an old homicide case.
Now it wasn't even, I don't think it was that old.
Maybe it was like 2012 or 2013 around there.
But anyways, it was an older case and we arrested the wrong
people. And I was vocal about this and
detectives told the lead detective one, I was pissed
because I was like, you're calling me in three days later,
You know, when 90% of the homicide cases we have are going
to end up being gangs, Like call me in from day one.
And even if it turns out not to be gangs and you still got
another body to help you. And then the resources I come
with from the, you know, you know, GTF team.
So they end up making these hooks on these people.
And I'm like, look, this is not her and this is not him.
And you know, I argue with the detective, argued with the
assistant detective, argue with the Detective Sergeant, argue
with the detective Lieutenant. We're in the detective Bureau.
And at the time, the detective Lieutenant, me and him didn't
really see eye to eye. There was a, a personal thing
that had happened. But like I said, we didn't see
eye to eye. And they were like, no, you're
just, you just want to be right. Like, of course, who doesn't
want to be right? This has nothing to do with
that. This is, you know, I know my
gang members, this dude is not a trigger puller.
And so and it was all documented, right?
So couple years later while the female gets arrested, she goes
to county jail for about 3 or 4 days, ends up getting released
because the judge says. Not her.
It's not her, right? So she gets released.
Couple years later we get hit with a large, large lawsuit.
It was actually the first lawsuit that I was ever even
named in. So that's a very uncomfortable
feeling when you get your first paperwork right and false arrest
and all these things. Well, and leading into the
termination, the, the tech or the IA Sergeant at the time, and
we're pretty decent friends, He pulls me into a room, one of the
rooms that's not recorded. So you know, when you get pulled
into a room that there's no recordings in, something's up.
And he goes, hey, look, there's some discipline coming down the
chain, right? Like this is the, the friend,
you know, the friend and I go, what about?
And he's like the Segovia case. He goes, city had to pay out 1/4
of $1,000,000 on it. And you know, they want
someone's head and this detective doesn't work here no
more. And this detective you know is
the the goody 2 shoes so. Somebody's got to pay.
Exactly. And he goes, but it's going to
be light, like it's not going to be a big deal.
It's not going to affect. I'm like, so I got a big mouth.
So you guys know I'm very professional when it needs to
be. But when I see I'm getting done
dirty, like I speak the Marine cart, the marine port comes out.
But I told him I go BSI go. I'm not taking any disc.
I go. I'm the last damn person on this
case that should be getting disciplined.
I go, I go you. As a matter of fact, you guys
wouldn't be getting sued if you listen to me.
And he goes, well, I go, I go let them know not only am I
going to fight back if they try to discipline me for this, but
you guys have Jacob Winters who's sitting in prison right
now on a life sentence. And I'm telling you guys right
now, I told you that. I'm telling you now, he didn't
do it. So make sure that goes on the
record too. I think that actually plays into
a large part of what I was probably ended up being
terminated was to destroy my credibility in case that ever,
you know, turned into a lawsuit. That's interesting.
And then the second one. And nobody's above.
But like, that's the sad thing. You and I know that that there's
no department is above that. Once you start realizing that
there's a dirty politics where people are going to cover their
own asses so they can keep their paycheck, make sure their
pension is what it needs to be, then you know, it's just you,
you and your family. Like they don't even, they don't
even hang out in your house. They don't care.
They, they don't care, it's bad. And this, I'm telling you this
and everybody, what I'm telling you guys, you don't have to take
alpha's word for it. There's actually court
transcripts of these conversations because obviously
we, we went to arbitration over this.
And then the second thing they charged me for was the mandated
not taking Acps report as a mandated reporter, which people
didn't have to take my word for it like it was on body camera.
And so ultimately we go to arbitration and we went judge
says, hey, this guy has no, I'm, I'll, I'll send you the letter,
he wrote. Man, it's.
AI remember seeing snippets of the last time you and I were on
for a while. So yeah, folks can take my word
that we've seen it, but. Yeah, 36 pages and I mean, I'm
not going to wrote it, I'm not going to wrote it better myself.
But he goes, listen, the guy has tenure, he has no credibility
issues. He has this.
He actually says this is who should have been investigated.
And so at the end of it, he orders my immediate
reinstatement back pay be made whole.
But we don't have binding arbitration.
So now we got to go to Ritz appeal.
Well, Ritz's appeal was scheduled, and This is why it's
important to everybody. Ritz's appeal was scheduled for
May of 2021. Something happened before we
ever got there. So the city already knew that I
was coming with a multi. I was going to sue their pants
off, and rightfully so. So they knew they had a major
lawsuit coming from me. And then all of a sudden,
January 15th of 2021 happened. All right.
So on January 6th, you tweet out like a like a warning and it's a
retweet. Is that correct?
Is that accurate? So I did I do 2 on well no, the
other one wasn't January 6th. So on January 6th I have it up
on my screen. I'll read it perbatum.
This is the main tweet that the FBI focused in on when they came
to my home. It says will you?
This is me typing will you fight, bleed and maybe even die
with me as we take on the evil that is now stealing our nation?
I'm a ring combat veteran, law enforcement veteran of 14 years
and my allegiance is to God, family and country.
I'm ready. Are you?
I'm to patriot the FF expletive up.
God wins. It's a picture of me in law
enforcement, picture of me from Iraq, picture of the American
flag, and then a picture of Mel Gibson from the movie The
Patriot. So that's the main one they
focused in on. Now what?
What federal crime do you think that might be?
Well, none, but the one that they're investigating is
domestic terrorism, terrorist threats.
And you told me that the code was a 266 Oscar.
Is that correct? Does that sound right?
That's the. That's the file number that they
have on me. So for, for the listeners and
those who are watching us here on Rumble, a 266 Oscar is the
thing that if you've been following the show for a little
bit, you'll know that I keep telling you it's anti
government, anti authority, violent extremism.
That's the, that's the, the title.
It's not a criminal case. It's a, it's a counterterrorism
case, which means it's an intelligence case.
And the fun thing about that is that is now and Alpha, I don't
think you and I have talked since the I found this out.
That is now a required banded threat in every single of the 56
FBI field offices for 2023. So whether they think they have
it or not, they got to deal with it.
It has to be banded 1-2 or three.
I think there's a band 4 as well.
But one way or another, it'll be in the top 4 priorities for
counterterrorism all across the United States.
And you know, some of us may know the the agave or the anti
government, anti authority violent extremists might be
known as things like the founding fathers at the
beginning of this country. These are the people that didn't
like having the government get in their business.
So it's interesting that that's going to be the thing that the
government wants to go in and tell everybody to be scared of.
And they obviously started this case on you.
So the next tweet was the one that was the one they were
actually quote UN quote investigating.
Go ahead and share that if you want.
So, so the next two is 1 was dated.
It said when I tweeted, it said January 19th.
That's all it was. It was 1/19.
And so they're like, what's this about?
What are you planning? I go, no.
That's the day that a lot of us anticipate Trump.
Trump's going to release all these documents that show fraud
hindsight. We know it didn't happen.
But you know, at the time there was a lot of speculation that
the day before the inauguration, he was going to let the cat out
of the bag. So I told him that the next one
was a picture of the Chris Kyle Punisher skull.
But in the school it has the Roman numeral 3IN it.
And so they're so they start questioning me and they're like,
so you know, you're with the 3% militia and this and this.
I'm like, I never even heard of the 3% militia.
Moreover, it's not a militia, but that doesn't stop.
I'm going to read a quick quote here from The Desert Sun, which
they this piece was from May 23rd of 2021 and the the
detective from the Rialto Police Department who's also a member
of the FB is JTTF. The Joint Terrorism Task force
out of Riverside wrote in declaration of this, the arrest
warrant that actually got put out for you that you are quote
an adherent to the Q Anon conspirator movement and the
three percenter militia group. So that was their evidence that
you were three percenters, that you put out a Chris Kyle 3% or
#3 Roman numeral. Now, as you probably didn't
know, because I think we released it just after there,
maybe not in May, May. It might have been in August of
that year. Was that 2021?
No, so 2022. So a year later, there was a
militia violent extremist document that circulated through
the FBI and one of my whistleblowers brought it to me
and I, I exposed it publicly, but they mentioned that the,
the, the Roman numeral 3 is a potentially militia violent
extremist symbol. And the Punisher skull is a
symbol of warrior culture, which is also a potential militia
violent extremist. So you could have actually had a
different case on you if you'd, if you'd waited just a little
bit longer with this, with these durable things.
Have you ever seen a, a punisher skull on a police vehicle, on a
plate carrier, on a SWAT team patch?
Is that something you've ever seen?
Well, that's a great question, Kyle.
Softballs for you. And just so you know, this is
unscripted. You guys, they're they're me and
me and Kyle are talking off the cuff.
So I did investigations for my career.
I had the accolades for it. So when they came and they chose
to flash bang my home, they pulled on the they pulled on the
tail of the snake because I'm not just a regular person.
I know the way these investigations are run.
I know what exculpatory is. I know what Brady is.
I work gangs. I've written the, you know, 607
hundred page reports on what it takes to document someone as
something. I know what it is to say, Hey,
this person's a gang member. Hey, this is a gang member
associate and hey, you know, or this is a hang around.
Like there's so many criterias in these matrix of things that I
know that the regular citizen doesn't.
So when you go and you say that I'm adherent AQ Anon and A3
percenter and you're making that statement off of 1 photo 1 and I
and people even though we haven't seen the rest of the
warrant, people are like, well, if you haven't seen the rest of
the warrant, yeah, but I know what content I have.
That's literally and the account still up one photo is what
you're making that judgement off you.
There's not a well, in normal circumstances, there's not a
courtroom in the world that's going to hear that you want to
call someone, you know, adherent to something.
You need associations, you know, communications, you know,
photos, you know, crimes together, Hangouts together.
There's so much that goes into it, but you're going to use one
photo if that's. And here's the other thing.
So immediately when they left my home, I started doing an
investigation into myself to defend my position.
So I went on police stores like Allie Gear calls, all the ones
that we buy stuff from, right? I went to different department
websites. I even went into the FB is
websites. And what did I find out on the
patch of the Los Angeles FBI SWAT team?
The same damn skull that they're investigating me for.
So I screen grabbed everything and This is why I want to go to
trial. So when you can say, well, he's
adherent to Q Anon and Three Percenters because of this, and
I'll say, well then so is the FBI.
So is the FBI SWAT team on every field office.
It's not just Los Angeles. Because if you go into
Washington Field, where I was at for five years, you know,
they've got an Alpha and a Bravo team.
And the Alpha team has the Punisher skull and the Bravo
team, you know, 2 guesses which ancient culture they've, they've
picked up something from, right? It's like they got the, they got
the Spartan shield or they got the Spartan helmet.
This is what people do in this world.
They, they align themselves with historical defenders of their
own society. And you know, interestingly
enough, the FBI identified, quote UN quote warrior culture
as a possible indicator of militia violent extremists.
It's like, well, who do you that's every veteran, that's
every single veteran and every law enforcement and and some of
the freaking guys in the in the fire department as well, because
you got to have a certain mindset to go out there and be a
defender when other people aren't going to take action.
So it's just, it's funny that this is their it's, it's weak.
It's it's funny and heartbreaking all at the same
time. That's right.
You want your first responders to have this warrior ethos, you
know, that's, you know, that unspoken, you know, you know,
valor that's inside of them. You want them to have that these
people are going to go out and face, you know, what society
would call, you know, nightmares and and these people are going
to go face it like you want them to have that historic pride in
them because that's probably what's going to keep the guy
alive when he's been shot and he's bleeding out.
It's that warrior mentality that's like, you know, I can't
let my brothers and sisters down.
I can't let my family down. And, and they want to force this
soy boy culture into a place that it's just going to get
people hurt to include the community.
No 100%. So I, I, I got literally dozens
and dozens of photos Orange County Sheriff's Alley Sheriff
and and it's nothing on the sheriff's because they're not
doing nothing wrong 'cause. We don't wear it well, as I said
when they showed, when we first saw this document and people are
like, why are you so outraged? And I go, it's real
straightforward for me. I don't know a single veteran or
military or law enforcement type that doesn't either have that
that image, one of those images, there's, you know, freaking
Betsy Ross flag, the one that's behind me, that's one of them.
And so I don't know a single veteran that doesn't either have
one of those things hanging in their gym, wearing on their
T-shirt or tattooed on their body.
Like that's those are the options.
Every single vet I know, everybody that's serious about
the service that they did, everybody that has that ethos
that we talk about like they show it because it reminds them.
It's not because they're trying to be proud of it.
A lot of times I think it's because it's trying to remind
themself, hey, you may have to step into the gap.
You may have to be that guy. You may be the guy that's
driving in the middle of the night getting cigarettes thrown
at you that turn out to be rounds coming out of a handgun.
Like you got to be that guy and what are you going to do?
You have it in your head that like I've already committed to
this. I've told people who I am and I
got to live up to it. And that's the reason why we do
it. I think.
I think it's why people have that so. 100% agree with you
man. We were that badge so it reminds
us, reminds us of our promise to the community.
You were those other warrior things to remember.
This is what I said I'm about. I better represent.
It go be about it A. 100% All right, so there was that one.
And so, yeah, so those are the three main ones right there.
Now the interesting thing is is, you know, they come, they do
that, you know, they raid my home, they show up, you know,
Zero, Dark 30, you know, flash bang, you know.
So here's the other. Yeah, you can set the table for
this all you want. Let let me take your time
telling the story because I know it's a good, it's a good
graphic. I need people to kind of picture
it in their head. So if you'll give them that
theater of the mind moment where where you are, you know, what
your house is shaped like, all that kind of stuff.
And let them really feel kind of what the what it looks like from
somebody. Because only a few people I know
had the nightmare. Like we've been on the other end
of it, obviously where you're the guy, you know, banging the
door down and that's, you know, had his own, his own risk and
dangers. You know, that they, you got
briefed, the team got briefed on a certain kind of background of
who you were, your hardened Marine killer, right?
So you found that stuff afterwards.
But as a guy sleeping in his bed, who's were you suspended or
were you terminated from the department at that point?
We're still in the case process. That's when we're waiting for
the writ. OK.
So you're, you're, you're going through all this, you know,
process and this is in the in January, end of January.
This is January 15th, 2021. OK.
So the termination had been made official, but we were still in
the legal, the legal fight for it.
We had already won arbitration and that.
So on that particular day, we were four months, just over four
months away from the writ appeals case and which everybody
knew we would win. Any any instinct this was
coming. Zero instinct this this was
coming, which actually makes the situation more dangerous.
For sure so. 100. Percent 'cause you don't have a
mental plan for this. This is not something you've
gained out already. That's what I that's what I want
people to understand. You're out there.
We talk about the Are you familiar with the colors of
awareness that Jeff Cooper talks about?
Being like briefly, yeah. So just for, for folks that are
listening, I, I want you to be aware that we talk about
different kind of colors. So if you're in the white, that
means that you're a completely blissfully unaware, you're a
sheep and you're asleep at the wheel and the world is happening
around you and you're none the wiser.
And if anything happens to you in the white, you probably die.
If something dangerous happens, the next level of awareness is
the yellow. That means that you're aware
that there is danger, but you don't think there's any
proximate danger to you. So that's a, you know, generally
aware human being. Most people are in the yellow.
I hope there's a lot of people out there that are in the white.
I guess when you move from from yellow to orange, that means
that you know that there is a an imminent danger that is nearby,
but it is not confronting you specifically.
So you know that there's danger and the possibility exists.
And red means not only is there imminent danger, but you're
aware of it and it's targeting you and you're ready to respond.
So you're looking for that next little move and you're ready to
react to it. So people, you can't live in the
red all the time, but when you're in that like pursuit,
when you're in that going up to a door, you're in the red.
Like you know, there's a possible thing.
You're just looking for the next trigger to move you on the next
level. Maybe as you're driving into the
station in the morning, you're getting your way from yellow to
orange kind of thing. So anyway, those are kind of the
areas if you're laying there in your bed and you have no idea
that the FBI is ready to go put a tactical team in your front
lawn, you're in the white in in like every way and you're asleep
like literally and figuratively that this could be a
possibility. So there you are.
So here's the crazy part. I'm in the white for any
government coming after me, but I'm in the higher threshold of
yellow one move away from orange because of where I live.
So I live in Cathedral City and it's not by choice.
This is just where I can afford to live.
The next option is Desert Hot Springs, and there's no way I'm
putting my family into freaking, you know, Baghdad.
That's what Desert Hot Springs is.
So we live in this city, the city I used to work in.
It's not by choice, it's just financially this is where we're
at, right? Yeah.
Because obviously taking in all the other variables of help from
family and things like that. So it's hard to live in the city
we're used to work and see Cathedral City police cars
driving around when that was my life.
It literally tears me apart inside every time I see it.
But the other downside of that is I live in the the valley and
the east part of the county where I work and where I work
gangs. To this day, there are active
homicide cases in the chute that I have guys in.
And I also did undercover work working gangs, you know, couple
blocks away, you know, is gang members from gangs I
investigated. So I've always known that if
these clowns find out where I live, you know, it's very
reasonable to believe that they're either a threat we made
or guess what, we get rid of this guy, the case disappears.
So I was in that higher yellow for the purposes of that.
So, you know, if you know, only a handful of times we've had
like the alarm go off or something, but first instinct is
they found my home. Like that's where my mentality
shoots them. Like they finally found where I
live. Makes sense?
It's, you know, so I'd run to the backyard and what do I have?
My duty pistol. You know, it's by the hand of
God and God alone that on this particular day, you know what
happens? We live in an old Adobe style
house. So it's kind of like the shape
of a, a you think if if people want a picture in their head or
a horseshoe, I think of it as a horseshoe, you know, with the
backyard being the top of the horseshoe and flat roof, stuff
like that. So we wake up and I wake up to
the sound of the house alarms going off and my truck alarms
going off. So, you know, waking up and then
obviously the stuff that we've been or working patrol at least
I'm thinking either a drunk just hit my truck and the truck hit
my house or one of these cronies is trying to steal my truck.
You know, that's what I'm thinking.
Why didn't grab my firearm? I don't know.
It is literally the only time that something's happened like
that when an alarm went off and I didn't and I grabbed my phone
instead. And like I said, I think that's
my I think that's God that saved me.
So I run to the alarm panel. I'm turning off the alarm so I
can, you know, go out there and, you know, address the threat
and, you know, the misses start screaming at me.
Get away from the door. So our door, it's an Adobe style
home. So the door is textured glass,
so you can't see through it, but you can see like lighting and
silhouettes and it's covered with about a dozen red dots like
you guys seen in the movies. As soon as I see that, my phone
rings. So I answer the phone and it's
dispatch is the FBI. We have your house surrounded.
Kids are screaming and crying. You know, stepdaughter's crying.
So I get them in the hallway. I said listen, it's the police,
it's a misunderstanding. I'm sure it's going to be fine.
These are the good guys. Like you don't have to be
scared. So I put my Airpod on.
I tell the dispatcher, I said, hey, I'm coming out, phone's in
my pocket. I'm talking to you from an
Airpod. Nothing is in my hands.
Like you need to let these guys know before I step out.
Nothing's in my hands. So everybody knows.
Remember this is January 15th, so this is only what, 9 days
after January 6th? So we don't know everything we
knew we know now or even the months after, you know, you
know, at the time this all happens.
So I walk out and in my yard is a BearCat, you know, turret on
top guy mounted on the rifle on another more soft armored
vehicle that's behind my truck, some other vehicles and all
lights and guns are pointed at me.
And this isn't a training scenario.
Yeah, this is the real package. This, this is, this is the real
package. So everything's going through my
head. Like don't sneeze and don't
trip, you know, So I go follow the commands.
They turn me around and I hear the click, click, click, the
handcuffs going on my hands. And it's the first time in my
entire life, you know, I don't have a criminal history that I'm
having handcuffs put on me. And, you know, it's, it's not
training. Like this is real.
Like my freedom is no longer mine.
The upside, I think, in some ways, though, is that because
you had spent so much time in law enforcement, because you
spent time in the military doing training exercises, like the
idea of being ordered at gunpoint is not, it's not going
to cripple you because we've done that, right?
I mean, we've had the blue guns pointed at you, the rubber
duckies where they give you orders, you follow back.
Like sometimes you're the guy who's in the red suit or
sometimes you're the guy who's going to be taken into custody
because that's how we train. We train with each other.
So this probably the only thing that really it's another Rep.
This one was just for real, but there's something about it that
probably made it less dangerous for you doing that then maybe
some other people who don't have that instinct of what's going on
on the other side, don't you think?
Yeah, but my main, my main concern is I just hope there's
not a rookie on this team. Right.
Like if everybody's comfortable and and competent, then this is
going to be easy. This is going to be fine, you
know, And as soon as the handcuffs go on me, you know,
I'm like, hey, what's this about?
And well, we have a search warrant for your house.
OK, let me see the search warrant.
Well, we'll get it to you. OK, well, let me see the search
warrant. Well, when the agents get here,
they'll show it to you. And, and by this time I had to
retold the dispatcher on the phone, you know, so they know,
hey, there's an adult female here and there's two juveniles,
you know, one, one 13112, no one else in the home and then a
two-month old baby. This is where everybody's at
because I want to make sure this process is as safe as possible,
you know, especially for my family, my family being the
priority. So they end up sitting me down
and and just to rewind it to so everybody knows the reason the
alarms were going off and that we learned this after the fact
was actually deployed a flash bang in front of my son's
bedroom window. His is the first window to the
to the house. And this was also his birthday.
You know, this was the day he turned 13, which they know
because when we hit a house, we know everything about everyone
and there. So they knew this was my son's
birthday. So I'm sitting there and now I
have to watch my family go through what I just went
through. And that's the part that hurts.
You know, military, the career we did like you just outlined,
that's not an uncommon place for us to be in.
But my family's not, man. You know, they're regular
people. They have never gone through
anything like this. You know, my son grew up around
cops and to see them having these guns pointed at them, to
see them scared, like, like there's there's nothing that can
fix that. Even if I have a lawsuit in the
future, there's nothing that fixes that.
There's nothing that remedies that.
Like that's just done. So, so they come out, they sit
them across the street and I'm literally looking at my family
and they're looking at me and they don't even know what's
going on. And you know, my missus is
asking me, you know, my baby's still on there.
Can I get the baby? And they won't let her get the
baby, our two-month old daughter.
So I tell the operator that's babysitting me.
I go look, man, it's a little house, you know, there's,
there's three bedrooms. I go there's we don't have a lot
of furniture and it remember it's California, but in January
at this hour in the morning, it's freezing.
Because you're in the desert. We're in the desert.
Yeah. The lower desert, they call it.
So I tell them, you know, go make the living room safe and
then get my family in there. And I'm like, it's freezing out
here, and they're in their pyjamas, you know, And the
baby's still in there. He's just like, he's like, yeah,
man, we'll get to it. We'll get to it, You know, a few
minutes. Like, look, she doesn't even
have the baby. Can you at least let her go get
the baby while this goes on? And by this time the SWAT team
or the search team is going into the house and they're searching.
And, you know, my wife's, I can tell she's upset.
She still does Our baby's in the house this this entire time, you
know, and they don't let her go into the sun comes up.
So it's anywhere from maybe 45 minutes to an hour and a half
that, you know, the little ones inside by herself.
Finally, they take her and the kids inside and they walk me to
the backyard through the side gate.
They sit me down, I'm still handcuffed.
And then finally the two agents show up, a Special Agent Armenta
and then Joint Terrorism Task Force Detective Candias, the one
from Rialto Police Department. He's the one who said you were
AQ Anon guy in the affidavit. He's the one that wrote that.
So they sit down and they're like, you know, take the
handcuffs off of me. You know it.
It's fine. So they take off the handcuffs
and I'm like, hey, man, what's this about?
Where's the search warrant? Yeah, we're going to get to
that. Well, he opens up his black
leather bifold and I see screen prints from my Twitter.
I'm just in my head some like you got to be effing kidding me,
right? Like This is why my family, my
and me just went through this. And so he sees me looking at it.
He goes, well, we, we want to question you about your Twitter
being potentially violent. I said, listen, man, first I
want my attorney. And the second thing is nothing
in my social, any of my social media is violent.
I don't advocate for violence. Now I'm going to just inter
interrupt real quick. Just mindset.
Do you have any expectation of privacy when you put something
out on Twitter? Have you ever had expectation
of? Was it designed for the public
to read it? Yeah, it's, it's designed for
the public to read it. Like, you know, if if I wanted
my account to be private, you know, I would have put a lock
on. It and and so you know that
you're accountable for anything that you say and or you have the
freedom of speech to say anything in this country.
That's kind of what we signed up for, right?
100% I. Just wanted to make sure that
was in your mind when you're out there.
You didn't think that you had like a super secret, like nobody
knew who you were. This isn't like a hidden
identity. And, and was your picture.
It was probably a different picture, but did you have a
picture of yourself representing yourself or was it a cartoon or
what? Was your your icon there?
Or your your, whatever. It was at the time, actually, I
think at the time it was the American flag because I had the
American flag on there for a few days.
So at the time, once it was an American flag, but outside of
that, before and after, it's always been a picture of me.
Got it. So no, something that.
Shows this, this is who I am, right?
OK. You're not hiding this thing.
This is not a secret sleuth account where you're advocating.
All right, I just want to, I want to set that up.
We got a visual medium here, but we don't have the visual of
your, of your thing. In fact, Phil, if you want to
bring up X Alpha Warrior X and and you know, I follow each
other, so that should be easy enough to find.
You can show the what it looks like now, but I can go ahead and
carry on with this thing. So these guys got screens.
They got screen prints, not a secret account like I I'm
tweeting from it. It's from a personal e-mail.
My phone number is registered to it.
Like you know, I, I know because I've done it.
We, we get warns for social media.
Every you look it up, you get a warrant.
You're going to know who I am. It's an easy find.
There's even stories in there where I was calling out KESQ
when they posted that the article about me that you were
talking about earlier, because they doxed me.
They put my driver's license number in the article and my
address. And in the article they wrote
that the FBI, well, I'll get into that.
They wrote that the FBI took all my farms because I actually
ended up sending an e-mail to them saying, listen, you guys
have my identifying information on there, you guys, and.
You're saying that I'm not armed?
I go and you just told every gang member where I live and
that I don't have the means to protect myself or my family.
And so of course, they write back.
Well, so you don't want us writing about you?
I said no freedom of speech, write whatever you want.
But my driver's license and my address doesn't change the
context of what you're writing about.
All that does is put me and my family in danger.
And if something happens to them, there's a record, written
record here of me telling you guys you're putting us in
danger. And so ultimately, they ended up
finally redacting that part, but they had it up there for a few
days. And I was pissed about that.
I bet. So, so they, they open it up
and, and they start going into the questions and, and at this
point, still haven't seen my family and our, our backslider,
we rent this home, but our backslider has like those that
tint on it. So it reflects the sun.
So like, I don't even know if my family's like, I don't know
what's being done to them, you know, I don't know.
Are they being handcuffed? That's like, I just don't know.
So I asked them, Hey, can I speak to my family and our
mentors like, well, not right now, you know, but you know,
we'll get you in there in a little bit.
And that's when they bring up the tweets that we're talking
about. So the first one.
Which now you'd already said you wanted to speak to an attorney.
First word out of my mouth and it's recorded.
Now, did the, did the detective that was with the JTTF, did he
wear a body recorder of any kind that you know of?
Because FBI doesn't always have that just and I know we kind of
talked about that. They, they, they were both in
plain clothes with just the Blue Jackets.
I think they might have actually put a recorder on the table or
he had one, but there's a recording of it because we
actually were able to get a copy of it.
My attorney has a copy of it. So was it the first or second?
Yeah. Does that follow as a 6th, a 6th
Amendment violation right there that they decided to keep
talking to you? A. 100 Well, you know, it's a
Miranda violation. I'm in custody.
You are in custody. I'm in custody being questioned,
so it should be Miranda. What's the calculus look like?
Custody plus interrogation equals Miranda.
Equals. Miranda Everybody learns it
right in the beginning, right? Yeah, and for those saying, well
they uncancuffed you, well there's still 6 patrol.
Officers. Yeah, you're not free to leave.
Yeah, you're undercut. You're in custody 100% I.
Just asked to go if I can go see my family and they tell me I
can't. There's no argument here whether
I'm in custody or not. Agreed.
So they go into the questioning. So the first one they asked me
about is the one I told you that will you flight bleed, maybe
even die with me on that one? And they go, well, right here,
Yeah. I'm not advocating for violence.
I'm saying will you die for me to, you know, fight for this
country. I go, if you, you can die for
this country without ever throwing a rock, you know, go
ask tank man from Tangamon Square.
That's right. I go, there's just, there's
plenty of people that haven't. And so we go into it.
So then they go and they question about the, the Chris
Kyle 1. And I bring up the argument, you
know, that we had here that this is all military and law
enforcement. And I'm like, I'm, I'm looking
at them like seriously with the dumbfounded look like you guys
are really asking me these questions.
You know, I'm, you know, I'm making sure I make eye contact
with I go, I guarantee you, you have cops at your agency that
have these patches on their vest or these decals on their car.
That's right, like everybody. Did you did you think you were
being punked right now? I, I just can't put myself in
that spot. I know it, it's a possibility.
It's a real possibility of my life as well.
And I just you, you'd think like, how do these guys look
themselves in the mirror when they're doing this?
Like this is such a dumb line of questioning.
I what I knew it was real, you know, because of the flash bangs
and all that stuff and and the way they treated my family.
But it just, it didn't make sense.
You know, it gets to the point, this is going to sound funny and
I can imagine what this is like for someone who doesn't have our
level of experience or, or training.
It gets to the point where you start asking yourself, have I
done something? Yeah, no, that's really
interesting. There is an instinct that I've
had when I started doing whistle blower activity, every single
thing. You know, every couple days you
wake up and you go, did I miss the boat?
Like, am I the bad guy here? Is there a possibility that I
just got this all wrong? And every single time that I had
that instinct, I feel like you need to talk about the hand of
God keeping us safe and, and moving things the way that it
needs to go. Every single time that's
happened, somebody would call me up and be like, I got a credible
allegation of the the deputy, you know, the deputy director
having sex with this chick who works for the FBI and she
doesn't have to show up to her job.
And you're going like, OK, no, I'm not crazy.
There's a bunch of evil, It's a bunch of petty evil and real
evil. And some of it is different
levels. But like every single time I
have doubts, somebody reassures me something terrible happens to
someone that's innocent every single time.
And you know, even you and I connecting, it's the same story.
But if you don't have that moment of, of self reflection
where you're like, what did I miss?
How did I get on the wrong side of this?
I think you're a psychopath. Like you just don't have any
sense of, of reality. You have to question yourself.
And then then you come back to the conclusion you're like, no,
these people are psychopaths. Like, I can't believe they're
doing this. They're absolutely.
They have lost the threat of reality.
And they are now reading you tweets that are the kind of
things that you would see on the walls, in every barracks, in
every military base that I've ever lived in.
It says the enemy is waking up every morning training to fight,
die and whatever else. You know, what are you doing to
make yourself harder and better? You know, how are you going to
make yourself harder to kill? How are you going to make
yourself better to serve all these things?
This is this is the mentality, This is the culture.
So your tweet is, you know, perfectly in line with me.
If you say that to me, the answer is either yes or no
Either yes, I am prepared or sorry, I'm busy.
I got to go to coffee with my wife.
But it's not a question of like, that guy sounds violent.
I'm concerned about what he's saying.
Like 0% chance if you sent that lead my way, I would close it.
I would go, that's stupid. Shame on you and.
And like I said. Shame on you.
Despite everything they've done to me, like I've still given
them the benefit of the well, not no more, but at that time I
was still giving these guys the benefit of the doubt.
Let's just my Twitter account was from like 22,009 2010 like
I've had it for quite a few years.
All 600 followers for that for that.
Time massive following right definitely, you know, you know
surviving off that income. You guys had all the advertisers
knocking on my door. So so you know, had I done a
brand new account? You know, had I did, you know,
taken measures to conceal my identity, you know, if it was
this kind of, you know, quote, UN quote rhetoric that was every
day, you know, in line with more stuff And and it was an
escalation of tweeting even then, no law broken.
But I could see at least All right, maybe a conversation's
warranted. Not a flash bang conversation.
Not a flash bang, Not. I've had these conversations.
I know you have two, you know, potential threat of violence.
You go out, you knock on the door, you do the knock and talk
and you go. This is the allegation.
Just want to size you up, see who you are.
Oh, you're a cop. Oh, you were in the Marines.
That's probably why you talk like that.
Totally good. Like, let's get a beer sometime.
That's how that should go. And what the other thing is too
is this, you know, it's the FBI, you know, like I was, you know,
I, I told Steve this too. It's like you marry the movie
Armageddon, you know, and they got Bruce Willis in there and
they're asking him to join. And he's like, you're NASA for
God's sakes, like, like you guys got this, right.
Well, to me, it's like you're the FBI and you're questioning
me. Like you guys have already run
all the algorithms on my profile.
You know my bank statements like you know everything.
Like you were at a minimum, I'd assume you've gone through the
last year of my social media and would see, all right, there's
nothing, there's nothing here to be concerned with.
This guy actually has conversations between law
enforcement and the community. This guy is telling people.
Producer Phil, can you weigh in on that thought?
You're the FBI. You must have done all this
interesting work. You got any thoughts on that
brother? Yeah, well, the public would
hope that, but the reality, I think from the last decade or so
would point to the fact that there are a lot of holes in FBI
investigations and the it's not television.
These people are not sooth Sayers and they fall down on the
job, and I think recent news related to an Excel spreadsheet
may indicate that. Did you ever jump on a private
jet with your team in a suit and go investigate bad guys, Phil?
No, but I really enjoyed that show and so did my wife.
Criminal. So there you go Alpha and Phil
was an agent for 15 years. It's one of those things where
they've got the they've got the public snowed and and they've
even got other law enforcement snowed, which I think is why
they get a buy in on some of this stuff.
And that may be part of the game.
It's like, look, this is the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
Like we were established after 911 and we stopped terrorism.
And what I learned, one of the first things that I learned from
Phil when I first met him, which goes back a number of years now,
he's like, no, no, you need to read this book called Terror
Factory. There's a guy named Trevor
Aronson and it's and it's Terror Factory Colon, how the FBI has
manufactured the war on terrorism.
I may be paraphrasing it just a little bit off, but a lot of the
terrorism cases the FBI does, including on the JTTF, are
straight up manufactured. They're put up jobs.
They're low IQ individuals that didn't do anything wrong.
And they were given an opportunity to basically have a
mean tweet. And then some, you know,
undercover came in there. Like, imagine if somebody had
been knocking on your door and was like, bro, like I'm ready to
fight and die and bleed with you and you're like, what are you?
You'd be like, what are you doing at my door and get out of
here. Like, or somebody was hitting in
the DMS like, yeah, bro, like where where are we gathering?
You know, what kind of weapons we get together to do this?
Like, let's get this training done.
You'd be like, no fed get away from my DMS, Right.
I mean, that's that's who they get.
That's who they catch is the guy that goes like, oh, well, like
you're into it. I'm into it.
I guess we're both into it. I guess Reddit is real.
And so we're going to go live out our, our, our online fantasy
of militias. You know, if somebody hit you up
and be like, dude, I'm a three percenter too.
Let's get this done. You'd be like, I don't know what
that is. Go away, go away, Fed right 3
percenter. You mean 1 percenter?
Yeah. You'd be like, I don't like 1
percenters, I don't know about 3 percenters.
Tell people with the differences just for just for their
awareness, because not everybody's going to be aware
this lingo. Well, so, so Detective Candius
goes, well, what do you think the three percenters are then?
I said, well, you know, I worked 1% of crimes.
So if I'm having a guess, I'm thinking they're probably the
opposite. And he's just like, no, you
know, and he goes down and reads me this like Wikipedia version
of, you know, it took 3% of the population to revolt against the
nation and establishing you. All news to you.
All news to me. So I'm just, and like I said,
this is all recorded, so I'm listening to it and I'm just
like, well, I've never heard that.
So I go, I'll review it. I go.
If that's the case, then at least I know I go, but I've
never heard it. And A1 percenter is, is the
outlaw motorcycle gangs is that Yeah, I'm correct on that.
I never worked out on motorcycles so.
Yeah, there was there was an event in Northern California, a
bunch of, you know, motorcycle enthusiasts went there and I
think it was the mayor or one of the city people comes out and
was telling the public, you know, it was only 1% of these
guys that were problem here. And then now you got the diamond
with the 1%. Now they're proud of it.
Now they're proud of it, tattooed everywhere.
That's right, here's the here's the interesting thing, because
I've come across a few because I'm I'm like you, you know, I'm
still vetting people, you know, who's the Fed, who's really
crazy, who's the extremist they're trying to tie me in
with, you know, so I'm constantly trying to do my best
to to vet through accounts. And you know, I've seen some and
I'm like, you know, there's some indications here that I'm pretty
confident these, there's probably 1 percenter here, but
they're posting like America first MAGA type content like,
and I'm like, it's a crazy world when people who are from the
criminal side are calling out criminal stuff.
Like that's just when you see that alignment taking place,
things are out of whack. Yeah, we are out of whack.
No, that's a, that's an excellent point.
And what's crazy too is that, you know, counterterrorism
sources, they make money like any other sources when they
build cases, right? So they're incentivized even
theoretically, they're supposed to actually go get authorization
for the operations they get involved in, but but not
necessarily if it's a free speech thing.
And they're like, look, man, I, I baited this dude and like, now
he wants to get violent. Like I want to get paid.
And that's what they do. It's just like anybody.
It's like any other dirtbag CI and and the Bureau, we call them
Ch S S, but it's like they they get paid if there's a case.
And if they're going to build a big case and someone's going to
go out there and troll you and get you to say, like, I'm going
to take my AR and I'm going to put a can on it and I'm going to
go start smoking people out of parade or whatever stupid thing.
You know, they can get you to say like, man, that's pretty
good stuff. Like now we got to work that and
there's going to be some money on working that like any other
source. Well, and the reason we like
working with with the feds is because you guys got deep
pockets. Man and they paying cash.
Do you guys, when you guys paid your sources, did you ever pay
cash? Is that how you do it?
It was cash, but there I'll give them this because of liability.
There is a very thorough process of of who's involved the
accountability like it's documented very well you.
Tie it to their name and their Social Security number, Whoever
your snitch is or whoever your CI is.
It's so there's a file. So the way it works down here,
at least with Riverside County, yeah, I can share this part.
Don't. Don't cross any boundaries that
we don't need to cross. I'm trying to, I'll, I'll keep
it limited, but the checks and balances is, is you can't, you
can't just say you have ACI 'cause you know you have a
snitch. Like if it's an official CI like
everybody has their St. sources. Hip pocket stuff.
Yeah, if it's an official term, CI that's going to make its way
to paper saying CI, then there's a whole process of people
involved to include the DA. There's special files that the
DA has, you know, special numbers that are given to
people. So everything's, there's nobody
just gets to make the decision independently.
Like there's a lot of people that know.
And if it comes time, if it comes time for like payments and
plea arrangements, there's a whole process of people that got
to sign off on it before you do it.
I think that's fairly common. What's what blows people's mind
is that when when the the feds pay, they pay in cash, which
Julie Kelly over at American Greatness, which online
magazine, wrote about it and interviewed me about it once.
And the average is that the Bureau pays out $40 million
nationwide to sources in cash. And it's totally unattributable
because it goes in like, like if I decide to name you and, you
know, it's like, I call you, you know, Alpha Dog or something.
And that's, that's what your CI name is, right?
And so it's like, who? Who got that $150,000 for that
big counterterrorism takedown? It's like Alpha Dog.
And they're like, who is that? It's like bad guy.
Yeah, he's that guy, Alpha Dog. That's what we call him.
That's what he signed. Now, I know that it ties back to
a snitch number or a source number and S and a digits.
And that goes into the files. And we could theoretically run
it back to you. Thank you.
But I'm never going to run down what you did with that money.
I just assume that you pay taxes on it, did the right thing like
an honorable person, which we can pretty much guess doesn't
happen for most of these types. Like they're making off the
books income. And sometimes, I mean, it's up
to 6 figure paydays in the counter terrorism in the
counterintelligence world, which blows people's minds what we're
paying for and what we're getting for it.
Like what are we getting for January 6th, guys?
We're getting you. I'm telling you, there's some
people that operate in a weird way.
There are a few handful of times or I get a call on the personal
cell, personal cell phone number and I didn't give that one out,
you know, oh, I saw, you know, another officer so and so gave
me your number. And I'm thinking like, why in
the world would you give? So the first thing I'm thinking
is there, is there corruption? I'm trying to be set up on
something. So immediately I'd be like, Hey,
this is an immediate call. Block that and then make sure
there's a documentation of it. Cuz I'm, that's just the way I
was, man. I documented freaking everything
you have to you. Just get paranoid.
That's don't. That's the that's what they do
to you when they hit your house like that.
Well, and this that probably is going to save my ass because
I'll tell you what my theory is that because I have a few
working theories, but the two ones that I think are most
probable is, you know, so going back to the interview, they do
these questions and this is something that investigators
will know. We know we know the penal codes
or the state crimes of the federal statutes and we know the
elements that need to be met for it to fall into it.
So candiest during this after they're you know, you can say
he's trying to be bad cop, but good cop, but not too bad.
So as we start getting closer to the end of the interview, he
finally comes out and you can see his frustration.
He has a frustrated look of like you didn't give us what we
wanted. Like if you recognize that look.
Right, this is the failed interrogation.
How many times have we seen a partner walk out of the recorded
room? They have that.
This is a failed interrogation. So he goes and he makes this
statement, and I think it's an extremely important statement.
And he goes well, you know you've been tweeting the way you
tweet because you know how to tweet without breaking the law.
You mean with your words? So, so for those that are like,
why is that important? Alpha is what he's making a
statement right there that when he went and got that warrant
signed, he already knew that my tweets didn't violate the law.
Like when he says you tweet in a way that you know is not going
to break the law. How did you go before a judge to
say, hey, these tweets are a violation of, you know, 422
terrorist threats or all these other if you're already, if you
already knew they didn't buy like the the the thought there,
you know, like there's something to be said with that.
How many, how many search warrants have you tried to swear
out where the judge told you the probable cause wasn't there and
you ever had that happen? 0.
Zero times. This is why, though I never
danced in the Gray area. How many people do you know that
that got search warrants that were sketchy, that got signed
off on anyway? They're.
A couple. It happens, right?
I mean the, the, the tie goes to the run or the tie goes to the
officer in the, in most search warrants, would you agree your
credibility is that you are a law enforcement officer, You
understand the the standard of probable cause.
So if you're bringing a warrant, you probably have it.
That's their assumption. And, and it's, and you got to
remember, it's not like you're dealing with 1000 judges.
At least you know, at the local level you're dealing with, you
know, a dozen, two dozen judges. They know you.
You do it for years and you're constantly going in there was
solid, solid, solid. Whether the people want to hear
it or not, you'll get the case where the judge sees you,
recognizes you, has a professional working
relationship with you, grabs your warrants like, yeah, seems
like it's there, right? And then you're talking about
the college football game that's going to come A. 100% And when
you're the FBI, you get you get the credibility of the entire
agency that you just brought to to our attention again, which
exists even in local law enforcement and magistrate
judges are no different. They're like, maybe they want to
weigh the the AT FS case because I don't know if the ATF has ever
written a warrant with probable cause in it.
That's just two guys talking. But what do I know?
And my buddy Mick, who might listen to this will probably be
incensed. But ATF if he my buddy told me
that he's basically never seen an ATF warrant that was legit.
And and then on the other end of the FBI, like we always get it
always gets signed. It doesn't matter if it's your
first day riding your first warrant.
It says Quantico training. It says you have the training
and experience. Your little I love me paragraph
says exactly all the things it needs to.
We got a pony which we which are templates or a go buy and it
looks the same as every other FBI thing and they look at it
and they go heck yeah, you name the statute.
You said why you're good to go. They don't need to look any
further. And so you can imagine FBI
warrants get signed off on and I've read somewhere I'm like,
oh, that doesn't made it. I did one the other day was
AJ61. I read it and I was like, the
dude didn't even know whether he was an officer or an agent.
Imagine if you wrote in your in your, your first, like your
description of the Afghan paragraph.
So for folks awareness, basically every warrant starts
off with who I am and why I'm bringing this to your attention,
what my authorities are, what my training is and so on.
And it said as a special agent in the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know, these are the things I have this training so on.
And then it wrote as a task force officer in the FBII have
this. Well, you know, and I know a
task force officer is not a special agent.
That's somebody that's a local cop that got federal deputy
status under either Title 18 or Title 21 or both.
So this person didn't even know if they were one of those.
That's obviously a procedural error.
That's a copy and paste error. Let's be real.
Like it's not a substantive error, but it shows like the
amount of focus that person had. Like you ever read your, I mean,
do you read your stuff that you're going to hand to a judge
and proofread it and make sure it's not stupid because they're
going to look at you if it is right, they're going to eat you
alive for being a moron. You don't even know what what
your training is like. You're telling me you're
training an experience and it might be one of two things.
If you fumble the ball in this in the first quarter of a
warrant, which is all admin stuff, you're the judge is going
to have a fine tooth comb through everything else because
that's the stuff that's like you do on every warrant.
How can you make a mistake? And I've seen FBI warrant signed
like that. I've seen criminal complaints
signed off on that way recently. This just happened this year in
January. So the Bureau gets a lot of
credibility on things that may not be crimes.
And I think probably the JTTF probably gets the same
credibility because it says FBI and that same, you know, that
search warrant. That's just my thoughts on it
and I'm. Here's an example for my
warrant. They put that out.
I have a white truck, my truck's black.
Bah, who cares? Now granted, they got the
license plate right. But they got, they got that it
was a truck. Did you have it emergency
painted? Did you go get it painted soon?
Yeah. It's sad.
Well, here's an important one is they put that I had a
surveillance camera in the front of my home.
I have a a ring door Cam. You don't have any cameras on
it. I have a old doorbell that you
push it and it gets stuck. Sometimes you gotta use your
fingernail pull the thing. So I'm like, you know, obviously
they're using templates for something else.
And that also justified them using SWAT because having a
certain amount of cameras up allows you to up the level of
tactical, you know, awareness. They probably said, you know,
likely armed because of your law enforcement status and the fact
that you had surveillance or, you know, they had to come in
with it and come in heavier. So all these things should all
play out. And we hope they do because we
have a little bit of belief in the system.
We've seen it work for good, but it doesn't seem to be working
real well when things like that like that should have never
happened obviously. And then, so here's the part
that should really, you know, this is a, there's some stuff
that's happened in my case that's bigger than me.
And one of those is 2 questions that they asked me during this
interview. And, and the thousands of
interviews I've done or been a part of, I've never asked these
two questions. So the first question that they
asked me is what political party you registered with?
What? And I told them Republican.
And as you can guess, the second question was who did you vote
for, for president? I said Donald Trump.
That's unbelievable. And this is recorded, you guys,
I'm telling you guys, this is recorded.
This is and this is things that have been happening now.
And this is the other problem is that we're talking about, first
of all, this is a custodial interview that shouldn't have
been happening, right? I mean, that's Part 1.
Like just start right there. You ask for a lawyer.
They didn't make that happen. That shows poor training and
experience or poor judgement or whatever the heck it is.
They kept asking everything there should be inadmissible,
and it probably will be if everything goes the way that the
system's supposed to. But what does that have to do
with anything? Like, what are they
establishing? Your, your, your protected First
Amendment protected right of free association and free speech
are now the two things that they basically base this on.
But that's not what they came and did.
They did that search warrant under unknown probable cause and
they were searching for elements of some terrorism statute,
apparently. What did they really get that
nailed? You nailed you because it wasn't
a, it wasn't federal paper that ended up putting you into the
hotspot, right? They got me with the state
charge. So what they did, and we learned
this after the fact from the judge and I guess the judge must
really trust my attorney. This was because when you
challenge, when you go to do a motion to quash that you get
you, you get, you have to stand before the judge that signed the
warrant. That's the way it works out
here, at least in Riverside County.
I don't know if it's like that everywhere, but out here that's
the judge you go before, which to me is kind of weird.
Why would you go before the judge that signed it to see if
he still thinks it's OK to sign it like that?
Should be a completely unrelated.
Yeah, that's conflict of interest level stuff too, right?
100% So what they did was they went and got a California red
flags law, gun violence protective order signed.
Then the next day, who's they? Went do you know?
The FBI JTTF. Did they have a local officer
swear it out or was it what's his name?
Candias. Candias so Candias is the he's
the Rialto guy. So that's about an hour from
here. Hour 15 minutes from here, but
is. He the one that that had to put
in the the attestation saying that you needed the red flag.
What did the? He's the one that signed.
Everything OK, So he's they the
jurisdiction's being used through him.
So he's, he's the jurisdiction. Guy, because the FBI obviously
can't do this. I've heard this stuff, by the
way, and I always thought it was really gross.
They told me they were going to go after somebody for state gun
charges because they bought a gun in California and it was,
you know, not through a dealer. It's like, dude, we're feds.
Like why do you care? Oh, somebody bought 6 guns in
six months. Like, dude, I do that in a
weekend. Like I'm a, I'm a gun buying
dude, 6 guns at a weekend. It's a busy weekend for me.
My wife and I will have an interesting conversation at the
end of it about, you know, whether she's going to be able
to get like an extra organic, you know, thing of kale or
something like this is not, it's so crazy because California
rules are not federal rules. They're 1000 times more
restrictive. 100% so, so they did that.
And what we learned later from the judge is the judge said,
because I'll give my attorney, like the guy put in work, he
wrote an amazing motion to quash this thing.
Like because there's a lot to this.
It would take hours to cover all the details.
There's exculpatory information that I was up there.
Well, this one's important. So you guys heard the tweets
that I talked about that they questioned me on literally 4,
three or four days before they executed the search warrant on
my home, I'd put a tweet out and, and another.
So it was this tweet was, or this information was on
Facebook, Instagram, like all social media was out there.
It was a red banner and it was telling people to go to their
for inauguration day. There's some people to go to
their capital or to the state capital and to go armed.
Now that that's obvious, now that's something you want to
look into. That's right.
So a lot of us were retweeting that.
So I retweet that and I put on the, I quote tweet it and I put
absolutely do not go to this. I go this to the BLM and Tifa
trap. So they're telling, you know,
they're getting a judge to sign a warrant saying, hey, this
guy's going to go and try to disrupt the inauguration a few
days before they execute the warrant.
I'm saying the exact opposite. So when they're questioning me,
I ask them, I go, how'd you guys get a warrant signed by a judge
that I want to go and disrupt the inauguration when I just
tweeted a few days ago telling people to do the opposite?
And so Special Agent Armenta goes, well, yeah, but you
tweeted because it's Antifa, BLM.
And so I go, dude, I don't care if I told people not to go
because it's going to be too cold.
It doesn't. Matter.
Well, and even if you told people to go, it doesn't matter.
That's the thing. You're not inciting violence by
the, you know, especially if it's a a lawful action that they
can take, which some people may choose to do that.
So I agree with that completely, but for.
This Yeah, for the purposes of what we're talking about, we're
you're even you're, I would call that a mitigating tweet, right?
I mean, you're mitigating any of the claims that they make about
you being reactionary or revolutionary.
And you know, once again, that's that law enforcement instinct
where people start saying things and you go, that's, that's not
what we're about here. That's not how this needs to be
done. And and and that's not the way
that you would want to go do that.
Like what are you going? To do it's not the way you want
it. It's not the 70s, you're not the
Black Panthers. It doesn't go over well, Just
saying. No 100% it's not.
I don't got a sweater with an X but but and who knows, maybe the
guy wasn't who we think it was either.
You know, giving everything that we have to go and re study now.
That's something. But it would have probably been
better for them to discipline. Like we never saw the tweet,
right? But no, they both acknowledged
seeing it. So I knew I was like, there is
no way they used, there's no way this tweet got before the judge
because a judge is going to come out and say, hey, you guys are
saying he wants to go do this, but he's telling people not to
do this. No judge is signing that.
So I knew right then and there there was exculpatory
information that wasn't put in, like I said, amongst other
things. And I'll get to the gun violence
protective order and the state charge right now.
The other thing is because we've seen about I think somewhere
between 6:00 and 8:00 pages of the warrant is what we've been
able to see so far. And there's three different
times they use confidential citizen, confidential informant
and I think confidential party or something of that sort.
But nonetheless, this, this all happened from a confidential
source. They documented it three
different times. So when we go to do this motion
across quash, we also request an in camera hearing to see who the
informant is. So the DA tells my attorney,
well, why do you guys want to the in camera hearing for you?
He's like, well, because Luna has a right to see who this
person is because we think we know what the motive is behind
here going all the way back to Cathedral City.
And so the ace is well, the FBI reached out to me and they said
that there is no confidential informant, that it was an
accident. They meant to write Anonymous
party. Then it's.
Then it's false statements in there and there weren't right?
So either way. It's either you'd lie then, or
you're lying now. So many times but.
I've never, I've never gone to a judge with an anonymous party
because there is no judge who's going to sign that warrant.
And if they do, they're going to have you.
You're going to be back in the chambers like a dozen times.
Why I want this and I want this. I want this now I'll make a
phone call off an anonymous party, but I'm not writing
paper. So, and they know this.
So if they were telling the truth and it was an anonymous
party and that means you lied and said it was an informant so
that the judge would weigh it heavier and approve the warrant
or you're lying Now, because, you know, if we find out that
the informant is tied to Cathedral City somehow, some
way, and more information is coming out with that, then we
know, all right, there's motive established here why this took
place and the case. Either way, the case doesn't
hold water. But I mean, that's the sign of
some of the things that we've been dealing with in this case.
So during this, the judge, they've tried to get me to take
every plea deal. They actually offered me a
golden goose egg. And family, friends, everybody's
like, take that one. What they said is we'll give you
veteran diversion. And all you got to do is for a
year, year and a half, go see a shrink, you know, tell them that
you and Donald Trump are wrong. And then at the end of that,
everything disappears. The arrest, you know,
everything, like, everything goes away like it never
happened. And that this was the final
thing that they offered me. And I was like, you guys can go
# sand I didn't do nothing wrong.
And you have violated so many of my rights.
No, if you guys want to play, let's go before a jury where
this stuff will make its way to court documentation.
I. Just want to reiterate that you
had an opportunity to basically make this thing wash by just
saying the things they asked you to say and being good for a
year. They said a year to year and a
half, depending on what the judge would have said, and it
all goes away. Now, first of all, it doesn't
all go away because I'm in debt for the rest of my life.
That's true. How many how many dirtbags would
take that deal? Every single one of them.
Every dirtbag 100%. Every single one of them.
I've watched and I've been watching guys with J6 going,
going to the mat over this kind of stuff.
And you know, the Fed is used to people pleading out.
I know that that happens in local law enforcement, probably
at a lower rate, but still at a high rate.
What do you think the odds are the the number of percentage of
people that pled out given an opportunity, especially a good
deal like that? Oh, a good deal like that easily
90% of the time a, a, a decent plea deal.
And then, you know, I use decent, you know, conservatively
there a, you know, a decent plea deal, more than half the time is
going to be taken before you even get to prelim.
Yeah. And most fed most fed cases it's
I think it's like 92 or it's 98%.
We got told this in in one of our interviews, but it's
shockingly high how many people plea out on a fed case and
you're standing this on principle because you know
what's right, which you not you know, so people should know
we've we've spent several hours talking prior to this on your
show and then after the show finished taping when I was
getting in trouble with my wife for sitting and just be asking
about this stuff. But I have utter, I have a lot
of respect for people that know that something is wrong.
It's the same level of not taking, you know, not taking
the, the, the opportunity that's being offered when it's just a
little bit of a, of a, of a bent knee.
In my case, it was, you know, will you take a COVID test every
72 hours, which would only take a little bit of my time?
The answer is absolutely not. I'd rather lose my damn job over
it. And that seems stupid to a lot
of people, but probably not people who listen to this
podcast, it turns out, and not people who listen to your show
because they understand that character actually does count
and your kids got to live in that world that you just, you
just help make a little bit worse by agreeing to something
like that. 100% if, if someone's not if, like you and Steve, if
if and and myself, if people aren't willing to take on the
fight with David and Goliath and we're not the Goliath in this,
then who's going to do it? If if we're the ones that have
been, we have the train, we have the knowledge, you know, we know
that this is probably going to get very inconvenient and
uncomfortable, but you got to see through the fight so it
doesn't happen. It comes back to the bowling
thing. You know, if, if I'm not going
to stand up to this, imagine the person that doesn't have the
ability to understand all the violations that were done to me.
That's right. It's, it's happening to them,
you know, they just won't even know it.
So somebody, somebody has to put it on paper.
Because here's the other thing. We can't even get legislation or
people to push legislation to change this.
You know, our pleas, our, our plea deals, you know, there's
something that is our justice system is designed for a plea
and that's wrong. Like it shouldn't be that way.
That's not the way the Constitution is written,
certainly. I mean, you can.
You can have a jury trial over 20 bucks, which was probably a
little bit more money back then, but So what?
Let's say it's a few $1000. This is more than a few $1000
worth of your life being inconvenienced at this point.
This is radically turned your whole apple cart upside down,
right? And.
I mean, the fact that we're here 2 years and three months, almost
three months later and we still haven't been given all the
discovery. I mean, it, it's just this blows
my mind. But like I said, here's here's
where you're starting to see what you just talked about.
They're used to people taking the pleas.
So on that final day when they told us, because the judge told
my attorney goes, look, I'm quoting.
So either the judge lied or my attorney lied.
But this is what was told to me that in chambers, the judge told
them, I can't give your, he goes, I respect your client and
what he's standing on, but I can't give your client what he
wants. There's too much political
pressure here. That is what my that is what my
attorney told me that the judge told him in chamber.
So I said if the judge lied or my attorneys lied, but that's
what was told to me. So I don't care if you respect
my principles, if if you know what I'm doing is right, then
toss out the case and you know, let's, let's have the boomerang
come around. That's right.
So, so they get, so they go, they raid my home to take all my
firearms. That's January 15th.
So five days later, on the evening on Inauguration Day,
while I'm at work, I get a call from my buddy.
He used to work law enforcement. He's like, hey, man, there's
unmarked units around the school district office.
And he's like, I'm like, all right.
And then he goes, hey, 2 Palm Springs police officers just
flagged me down, and they want to know where you're at.
So I was like, all right, if they got unmarked cars and they
got and they're monitoring, this is an arrest.
That's right. And that's what this is for.
So I call up my buddy who's this especially.
If they're going to start asking questions about you because that
that gets over right away. Yeah, we we're not doing that
unless it's an arrest. An arrest is coming.
So I need an arrest was coming. So I call up my buddy and say,
hey, listen, man, I don't want to get arrested in the school
district's uniform and have that be on the page of the
newspapers. I'm going to go home, change
into my cities, give my wife the phone number tree that we have
and you know, the ATM card, PIN numbers and all that stuff.
And then I'll go, I'll go meet these guys.
He goes, all right, I'll follow you.
So that way you know, you're not by yourself.
So we go to my house, tell my wife, hey, they're looking for
me. Chances are this is going to be
an arrest. Yeah.
Here's the number for my attorney, same attorney that
we're using from the the city case.
And my buddy calls me again. He was, hey, they flagged me
down again. I go tell them that I'm on my
way. I'll be there in a few minutes.
I'll meet him across the street from the school district where
we fill up our, the patrol cars. So we get there and the, now the
Palm Springs guys that are there, these are, I would say
more than 3/4 of the guy that were there.
I know them. I've worked with these guys.
The Sergeant that's there, I've known him for years.
So he's walking up to me and he goes, he goes, hey, man, you
know what this is about? I was like, yeah, it's about my
social media there at my house a few days ago.
And he's all, no, it's about a, it's about an assault rifle.
I go, no, no, it's about my social media.
They're at my house a few days, but I already know what this is.
And he goes, no man, it's, it's, it's a warrant, you know, for
the assault rifle. And I'm like, so by this time
here comes our Menta and Candius and sure enough, they're
arresting me for a rifle. So I asked them, what's the
bail? Because I'm, because I've
arrested people for this. So I'm, I'm guessing it's
probably be like 30 thousand $40,000 and our Menta goes
quarter of $1,000,000. So I'm looking and I'm like,
what are the other charges? And he goes, no, it's, it's a
single, it's a single weapons charge.
So what I knew then was they did what's called a bail enhancement
form, which means, and to this day they won't show us that form
like we've asked for it and they won't give it to us.
But it that means that they went before a judge and said, because
we use these, but we use them for very specific cases.
Most of the time. It's like a really bad domestic
violence where dudes going to kill the wife or someone if he
gets out, Like it's that extreme.
That means they went and told the judge that I am so dangerous
even after the interview we had five days ago that I'm so
dangerous that my bail has to be.
And they probably requested a million, you know, and the judge
probably authorized the court of Main that quarter of $1,000,000
is the only way I should be out free to, to, to fight this case.
So they hooked me. They asked me, Hey, what jail do
you want to go to the Indio jail, the Bani jail.
And I'm like, dude, I got guys sitting for murder and homicide
at both. It doesn't matter at this point.
So they put me in the Paddy wagon, in the very back of the
Paddy wagon. And literally it's like a
footlocker, the one. And I'm not a small guy.
So they put me in this footlocker 1.
And we start to drive off. And now here's where things get
a little interesting, but it's not a bad thing.
We're a few minutes away and the the transport officer from Palm
Springs pulls over into a commercial lot, right?
So I'm like, I'm sitting back there and I'm like, where we
going? You know?
And so he comes around, he opens the doors and he goes, he goes,
hey, man, go ahead and step out. You know, I'm going to take your
cuffs off and put them in the front.
So now I by this time we've seen a couple of things going on with
J6 on the news. I'm like, I look at him and go,
I'm not stepping out. I know what happens.
I step out. I was trying to fight the
custody guy, the escape and I get a bullet in the Dome.
Like I've seen some movies, right?
And so he goes, no man, he goes back to the Sergeant.
He goes, the guys told me who you are and that this isn't
right. What's happening to you.
So Sarge told me that once we got out of here to take you out
and put you in the front. So I cautiously come out and
sure enough, he takes the handcuffs from the front, double
cuss me or from the back, double cuss me to the front, moves me
to the front of the vehicle. And he was just a cool kid, man.
Just it's what the transport guys that are eventually going
to become cops and, and we go. And why is this important?
Because you just, you have the FBI guys that said I'm so
dangerous that you know, I should, it should be 1/4 of
$1,000,000 bail. But then you have a local guys
who know me that are like, we're having a single custody guy pull
you out, unhandcuff you, you know, cuff you and then move you
to the front of the vehicle. That just shows that even law
enforcement didn't agree with what the FBI was saying.
So we drive and this is where things get, you know, kind of
jacked up for me. We go to Larry D Smith
Correctional Facility in Bani. They shut down the jail because
of my prior job so they can book me by myself.
Well, on the way there I'm thinking, well, this is the one
time California's jacked up laws are going to benefit me.
It's a single weapons charge. It's a non violent case.
It doesn't matter if they got a quarter, $1,000,000 bail.
I'm going to get fed kicked. What that what that means is you
get in our jails are so packed. All they're to do is they gave
you a ticket and send you on your way and you get a court
date. So I'm like, I'm going to have
that. Because they don't have room to
to store you because. There's no room to store you.
And I'm telling you that happens 100% of the time.
Like that is the expectation. Even the criminals know that.
That's why in California, when we catch a guy with a gun, the
reason he won't fight is because he knows he's going to get fed
kicked, and if he fights, he won't.
So we get there. And so I tell the Sarge, the
watch commander, I go, hey, sarge, I'm going to get fed
kicked on this, right? He's like, well, we're working
on that. So 30 minutes pass, and here
comes the orange Riverside County inmate jumpsuit.
And I'm like, well, this is interesting.
And so I have to get processed. I have to get naked in front of
people I used to work with. It's humiliating.
And then they start walking me to the back in which I've been,
you know, to go interview people that are in custody.
But then we ended up going down another hallway when I hadn't
been down before. So I'm like, you know, where are
we going? He's like, he's like, we'll get
there. And they booked me into solitary
confinement. Remember, I've been respectful,
haven't raised my voice. Family's been respectful.
And because I, I, I figured they would probably put me in
protective custody is what I kind of anticipated.
But no, they actually threw me in the freaking hole, man.
And that's where I got down on my knees and I just started
praying, Kyle, like I'm sitting there.
I remember man is in this room. It's 8 feet by 11 feet because I
counted. It's a stainless steel toilet,
your water found right above it. And there's no bed or mattress
because it's the whole, it's just a concrete block that's
raised off the ground. And they give you 2 blankets,
you know, and there's no pillow. So 1, you make a pillow and the
other one you want to stay warm or do you want to cover the
thing you're going to lay on? Because who knows?
You know, it's stuff doesn't look clean, you guys.
So I remember I'm sitting there, I'm in this orange suit.
I'm looking down at these, you know, those brown waffle sack,
you know, slippers and the sock. And I'm thinking like, like I
fought for this country. You know, I've seen my friends
die for this country. You know my, my partner,
Jermaine Gibson, 2 Heart Purple recipients.
Solid dude. Would have been a great cop if
you're still alive. I watched that guy burn alive in
front of me in his police car because I couldn't pull him out.
As much as me and my partner tried, we couldn't pull him out
and we watched our friend burn alive.
You know, the birthdays I've missed, the Christmas of the
sacrifices that my family's had to make for me to do this job.
You know, it's straight, narrow, you know, I'll tell you that
personal matter between me and the Lieutenant of why I knew,
you know what, most guys could cut corners.
I knew I never could. So everything was always dot.
My eyes were always dotted, my T's were always crossed.
And now I'm here sitting in this this animal cage.
And I remember just it all just came to like a point for me
where I was like, you know, if you want me to survive this God,
like I need you right now, like you need to bring me peace.
I, I don't know what the point of all this is.
I, I trust you because you've got me through everything.
But right now you need to bring me peace.
And I just got on my knees. I started praying and I won't
say I had complete peace, but he brought me to the point where I
could at least relax and ultimately just tiredness, you
know, put myself to sleep. But the other thing, the
following day when I was in the in the hole, I remember thinking
this comment, actually, I've never shared this, but it's
just, I feel, you know, compelled to share it.
Now I'm sitting in there zero contact cuz you're the hole.
Like you have a meal that comes through a hole that's given to
you. And I'm already even asked the
guard like, what time is it? Cuz you have no so time
association. Yep, You know, even with this,
you know, day, day and a half. But I remember I'm sitting there
and there's, there's like a drainage hole on the wall or
vent and I can actually hear the guys from general population
laughing and having a good time. And I'm sitting there.
I'm thinking even the criminals are having a better time than me
right now. And I'll tell you, man, it was
it, it crushed me. It, it, it crushed me.
And I knew that I was going to take a lot to get past that
moment. And then ultimately I get bailed
out. They walk me to the OR they
drive me to the front of the, of the county jail.
And you know, I see my wife on the other side of a chain link
fence. Man, I promised her a good life,
you know, I promised her you know everything and she's
literally standing outside the gates to a jail to pick up the
man she loves and it crush if I felt like I let her down man, I
even though I knew I did nothing wrong, the fact that she was
going through this meant I let her down.
So you know that was the main portion of this.
The FBI ends up leaving me alone until August the 4th.
And the reason this is important is one of the things they said
before they left my home is, Candia says, hey, I know Gibson.
You know, he used to work with us.
We know you tried to save him. And I was like, yeah, OK.
And so they leave. So it means they knew Gibson and
they knew the circumstances of how he died.
This is your This is your friend that burned his vehicle.
Yeah, this was this was our partner.
Good cop man, good young cop, just solid dude.
And when they this is my belief. Now this is just my speculation
off of my experience. When you get a gun violence
protective order, there's certain things that have to be
met to qualify. And since they didn't have any
of those things, the last and final thing that they're going
to do is probably try to show like some mental and stability.
So how better than to get a reaction from someone then bring
up someone you know that they saw burn alive to try to get
like an emotional reaction and they didn't get it.
So then like I said, the next day I see them is August the
4th, 2021. And why is that day is
important? Because that's Gibson's birthday
and they know that on the anniversary of his death and on
his birthday, you know, you always post something in
remembrance of your of your brother.
So they show up now they know I got representation.
They've been in communication with my attorney.
They made no call to my attorney.
They made no call to me. They just showed up at my door.
You know, the two agents are Menton candiest and I see that
stamps, I open and I step out and they're just like, hey man,
we're here to return your electronic equipment, cell
phones, laptops, everything that's got traceable, the
software on it most likely. You can probably give me some
insight here in a minute whether maybe I'm being too paranoid
with that. But they bring all my
electronics. But what before they bring it?
They tell me that's why they're there.
This time it's afternoon, so I'm a little bit more prepared for
this. So I tell them I go, hey, you
guys realize like the American people do not trust the FBI
right now. So Armenta goes, well, why do
you say that? And I go, yeah, Christopher Wray
on national television, Underoath say that he hadn't
seen any evidence of Antifa or BLM at January 6th.
I go anybody with the phone, tablet, computer, at a minimum
has seen pictures and photos of John Sullivan.
That's right, at a minimum. So if we know that he knows
that, and this is what Armenta told me, this is the second most
important thing in my case, that's bigger than me.
He goes and he makes a statement.
Well, of course, he said that he can't say something that's going
to help Trump now. So it's Armenta's standing in
front. So I'm at my door facing the
street. Armenta's facing me, and behind
him is Candias. When Armenta makes that
statement, Candias even kind of looks like, what'd you say?
And so then I look at Armenta and I go, dude, I think Biden is
a complete clown. But if he did something, it was
right. And I'm on the stand like I have
to tell the truth. That's perjury.
And so our mentor starts to walk it back.
Well, you know, let's go get your equipment.
Like you could realize he realized what came out of his
mouth. Like we're all and now they're
realizing that I know what came out of his mouth.
So they go end up getting my electronics come over.
They have me sign the property receipt and they leave.
Now this is what I'll tell people and maybe you can let me
know on this call. But at least I know in the local
level, in all the years that I've done this, I have never
taken evidence back to a witness, a victim, A suspect.
Like I've never done that. Like if it's ready for pick up
our evidence, people or staff will call and say, hey, your
stuff's ready for collection. Come down with the government
ID. If there's a cost, here's the
cost, you know? Yeah, we do that in the Bureau.
I've returned a bunch of stuff. It just, it depends on the
office, I think a lot of times and depends on the case.
I've returned victim stuff more often than subject, but I've
returned dude. I've, I returned a freaking
headliner to a Jeep Cherokee that some dude mowed down some
other dude with and his buddy died and they were all drunk and
he served, I don't know, four years or something stupid Indian
Reservation crime. And I literally returned.
I don't know why they took it either, but the, the agent that
investigated him was like took home the headliner and I
returned a headliner to the dude.
And the only reason he was nice to me is because the parole
officer was there in the, in the in the front living room.
And I go, here you go dude. And he just signed for this and
he was like, sign for it. And he goes, what should I do
with it? And I go, I don't, I don't know,
I don't care. You can throw it in your yard.
And he was like, OK, And then he threw it in his yard and, you
know, it was an Indian Reservation.
So there's like trash in his yard.
Like I've, I've done weird things like that.
Like the world is weird. the Fed system is definitely weird.
I've returned stuff, but only when the case is over, you know,
only when it's completely done. So it's bizarre that they would
bring it to you in that way. Maybe Phil has some different
experience with that than I do. He has maybe some more time and
different, different type of experience, but I never, I don't
know. It's not it's not out of bounds.
I wouldn't think it's. It is strange.
I, I just found it interesting that why wouldn't you call my
attorney, though? They're like, hey, you want to
come pick up the stuff or hey, we're going to take it to him.
You want to let him know? Can we set up a date and time to
meet you know, is he going to be home you?
Know dude, they can FedEx it to you too.
That's the other thing. But yeah, it's my buddy will
refuse to hand things to anybody.
He just Fedexes it to him and gets a signature on the thing
and he goes good enough. So every every office has its
own evidence procedures. It's probably not.
It's probably not as insidious as it could be.
It's strange that the case wasn't over, I don't think.
Right. So that's the weird.
That's the weirdest thing to me. My mindset on it was were they
trying to show up on a day that they maybe he's drunk this day
because it's, you know, this is the day that his buddy passed
away or maybe we show up and the dudes, you know, eyes are
emotional. That's just where you know where
my mindset goes to it. The problem is, is we're not in
a place where we can trust these clowns.
You know, and I and I feel the same way.
And, you know, I know I got friends who work in the Bureau,
just like you got friends in your old department.
And they're good people. And at the end of the day, it's
like when you shatter the trust, when you betray something that
you used to believe in. And, and I'm pretty confident I
speak for Phil in the same way. You know, you never look at the
agency the same way and you're never going to take their
actions in good faith again. They're always going to be
working from behind the 8 ball. And now they're doing that with
about half the American people. About 50% of this country is
looking at the FBI, like you just said, and they are a
liability to us. They are not a thing that is
working for good and right. That doesn't mean they don't do
good and right things. I think we could both agree on
that. There's probably some righteous
cases. There's probably some
kidnappings they've shut down or some cartel dudes that need to
go away. And there's probably some people
doing some honorable, decent work.
And none of them are going to get that credibility.
They're never going to get that same respect.
And the ones that have risked their life to do that kind of
great work are going to be overshadowed by this, you know,
blemish that that's, that sits on the agency now, you know, but
just to kind of bring everything to wrap, you know, so that's the
last physical contact that I have with them.
Outside of that, I don't see them again till court.
So October that just passed the 2022 is when they finally offer
that final plea that I'm just like, I'm not taking the golden
goose egg. Yep.
So we had the criminal case and the civil case.
So the criminal case, the the arraignment gets pushed out, but
now we're supposed to go to the civil case because that gun
violence protective order is that's a civil case.
So they said so that we're in the Riverside court.
So now we had to go to the East Riverside court, which is in
Indio for the civil case. So the attorney that's
representing the FBI and JTTF in the city tells my attorney, he
goes, hey, just so you know, you guys still have to show up, but
we're going to be dismissing the civil case because they knew
we're going to, even though the judge doesn't want to give us
nothing in the criminal case. Well, civil case, you know, no
man's dying like they're going to have to testify.
So we're going to bring our Menta and Candias and everybody
to the stand on the civil case. So rather than go through that,
they actually dismissed the civil case.
So we go to the Indio court, we sit there and the the thing
about it that I actually made my day was, you know, I've been
going to court with all my peers, Ddas, the people that I
work with getting my name just thrown through the mud.
So at least half the battle got one on that day because as I'm
standing there in court, you know, in front of Judge Otis
Sterling, just a great judge. So many times I was, it's one of
those things where I'm there in his courtroom and we had so many
great conversations. And I'm like, man, does this
guy, does he believe what they're saying about me?
Because it's like, or does he remember, like I know this kids
not like that, you know, but anyways, we're in this court and
to hear the, the attorney say, Hey, we're requesting these
civil case to be dismissed. And then my attorney right away.
And we want, we want to be able to, I forget what the words
called for the, the document, but we want the, the document to
go so he can go pick up his firearms and go pick up all this
stuff. And so they said, well, you
know, do you have the serial numbers?
So they actually didn't got the thing signed.
So I can go pick up my well, here's the interesting thing
too. So I can go pick up my firearms
from Rialto PD right now. Like I have the documents to go
do that, but then there's a side because I just don't trust the
damn FBI right now is did they dismiss the case because they
don't want to testify or I haven't been in possession of my
guns the last two years, which means I can't account for
anything that's been done with them the last two years.
How bad is this corruption? Did something go take place with
my firearms and then the second I get in, get them back into my
custody, all of a sudden they're knocking at my door to
investigate me for a crime that was done.
So I haven't picked them up. Yeah, because of that.
Will you let me know we'll we'll just swap barrels on everything
brother, that's easy that's easy day we'll take it offline but.
That's, that's what I was actually thinking about doing,
was I was going to set up some appointments.
So the day I went to pick them up, I was immediately going to
go to a gun shop, have the gun shop send them off to a place
where they can change out my firing pins, change out the
barrel sack way. I can say, look, I picked them
up at this time, at this time they went here at this time they
went here. So you ain't pinning shit on me,
you know, trying to lie said to some.
But it just sucks because, you know, that's, that's like a
level of paranoid that shouldn't have to exist.
No, but that's that is the way that it looks in the same way
you're looking at your electronic devices, which I
don't blame you. I had the same feeling when I
ordered my laptop and it's been a couple extra hours in Memphis
getting transferred to the FedEx and I went like, man, the Bureau
has a really good relationship with FedEx.
What's going on over there? Why?
Why is it delayed in route? It still showed up on the same
day it was supposed to, but why did it say it was delayed?
That just makes you paranoid. Look at Jeremy Brown's case.
He ends up getting charged with a grenade and a classified CD
that's nowhere on the evidence collection list when they hit
his house. It just showed up a year later
in his case. Right.
No, I know it. Like I said, there's this this
storied agency that Phil and I both have history with.
And as you, you met with Steve friend, who's a friend of our
show and who I've never met in person, but I talked to almost
every day. He's like one of the few people
in the Bureau that we just, we just got it right away.
It was like he's in the same tribe.
We have that tribe where it's like #1 no bullies and #2 you
can't get me to cop to something I didn't do.
And I'm not going to roll over. I'm going to keep fighting it
even though it is decidedly uncomfortable for family, so I
feel you man. On that one, that's where we're
at. So people always ask me, well,
what do you think the state charges?
Well, we need to see the police report to see what angle they're
taking. But I tell people all the time,
my agency has a copy of the paperwork, Department of Justice
has a copy of the paperwork. I have a copy of the paperwork.
So what angle they're trying to take, I don't know.
You know, the there's just, there's a lot of at least funny
business that's going on, you know, but just to address
something because I'm remembering things that I forgot
and I know I've kept you guys on for so long.
You're good. I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, We'll, we'll we'll give people an opportunity to figure
out because there's a lot more to your story and they can
obviously come see your show too.
But hit me with, yeah, your final thought on that one.
So when, where was it going? Which one was going to bring up?
So when they came to my, when they came to my home, I was
working as a part time canine explosive handler, you know, so
Labrador, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful lab.
And we go work, you know, the, you know, Oscars, the academies,
the football games, like, you know, it's, it's the commercial
side of it. So we have training orders.
So when they were taking all my stuff, I told them, I go, hey,
you guys aren't taking my training orders, right?
I only have like 4 or five of them and they're just like,
well, yeah, we're taking them. I go, hey, I have my AT FS
certification to have that and to transport it.
And so they're like, OK, well, we need to see it.
I go, that's fine. Glove box in my truck.
I go work 'cause Marines like, you know, we're like you guys,
you know everything. We know where it's at.
You know, I'll tell you how many Dimes are in my freaking yeah.
That's not all feds, but it's all paramedics, I'll tell you
that. And that's your gear's got to be
squared away, right? Yeah, you guys know how many
damn band aids there are. That's right.
But so I tell them where it's at.
And so they come back in and they're just like, no, it's not
there. I'm like, no, 100% it's there
because I work weekends and every weekend I go and make sure
that it's there because sometimes I'll take it out.
You know, when we do our, our meetings and updates, I go, but
I know it's there. Well, it's not there.
I go, OK, well then you can check the container where I,
where I hold my, my odors, but I know it's not there.
Well, they come back and say they can't find it.
So when they leave now I'm going through my truck because I'm
like, I know it's here and it ain't there now.
But first, my truck's turned upside down.
It looks like a tweaker truck. My garage is turned upside down.
That's the other part. I wanted to bring the, the, the,
the execution of the search warrant, but it's gone now.
You're not supposed to make copies of those documents.
But like I said, mom raised someone that's like, you don't
want to lose something. House burns down.
Like you always want copies. So I actually had a copy on the
cloud. So I immediately called my
attorney and said, Hey, they said that I don't have this.
I have it. Here's a copy of it.
And she immediately sent them a copy so that they had a copy.
And part of me wonders where they going to actually go the
Jeremy Brown route and use these orders as the charge for me.
And then once we showed that, now we have a copy.
We're not supposed to have a copy.
We have a copy. You're not going to be able to
get away with that. Is that where they're trying to
fabricate something that has to do with the rifle, Which I don't
know if they didn't realize I have a copy of that too.
You know, like I've held it up on a few shows so people can
say, I always say here's the serial number.
That's right. Here's the date.
Here's the serial number compared.
You know the FOIA request. Yeah, there's just something
awful about being in a place where you're so paranoid about
it. And the paranoia comes from a
justifiable fear that that things are not working the way
they're supposed to and they haven't.
Like that's, that's not how cops are treated.
That's not how we would expect to be treated.
And. If I'm, if I'm in the audience,
Kyle and I'm hearing my story, I'm like, what's he not saying?
Like there's more, this doesn't happen.
What's he not telling us? That's what happens.
Now I feel like I'm over justifying so people realize.
Like, listen, I wouldn't believe it either.
It's the same. It's the same when I put out my
body Cam footage, they're like, well, what else is here?
Like, that's it. It's just that, and and I'm a
jerk to people that I don't like who, who called me up and
accused me of things that I didn't do.
It turns out I'm not nice to them and I don't feel compelled
to be nice to them either. I imagine you, you're a pretty
mellow and pretty even keel guy, so I feel like you probably feel
the same way. Yeah.
I know you were going to tell the story about what happened on
the wall. You want to do that real
quickly, just kind of as they did the search of your house.
The reason why you have some faith.
I think leaving on a hopeful note.
It's not a terrible thought. It'll keep us, keep us out of
the out of the booze tonight, keep us away from the burp and.
And that's why this is important, because the point of
my story is just, it's to expose things that are happening.
It's, it's to vindicate me. But it's all, and to show people
things that are important, like way more important to me.
The political questions that were asked, you know, some of
the, you know, tactics that were used.
But at the same people, people have to understand that the
badge is still good, law enforcement is still good.
It's not without mistake and it doesn't mean that things don't
need to be fixed, but people that have that badge will die
for you not even knowing who you are.
Like that's how much they love the job they do and what they
stand for. So when the FBI hit my house and
executed the search warrant, you know, they started from the
front of the property and moved their way back.
So like I said, my truck destroyed, garage destroyed, my
son's bedroom destroyed, look like a hurricane hit it.
But then you get to the hallway and then the hallway in it, in
my my missus. I'd only put this up like a few
weeks of even that because I had all my accolades in a box,
because, you know, I was in the best of moods.
What was going on? I was hurt.
So she puts up, you know, the medal of valor, the awards, the
FBI like she puts this whole, you know, I love me wall, right?
So my stepdaughter, because by this time they're in the house,
she's in her bedroom, which the door open, looks at this wall
and one of the the the search members is babysitting her.
And she says the whole team congregates at the wall and that
one of the guys asks who she calls the ball guy.
And I think it's probably the team leader, if I remember
correctly. But one of the guys asked the
ball guy, hey, are we arresting this guy?
And that the ball guy goes, no man, I think this is one of the
good guys. Now from that point, her room,
the living room, the dining room, the storage, my bedroom
where all my firearms are treated with complete respect,
stuff folded back, put neatly like it was almost like two
different search teams hit my house.
So what that tells me is when the agents that were handling
this case had that Zero Dark 30 briefing, they probably really
had these guys convinced, listen, you're going to deal
with some crazy ass veteran, you know, some crazy ass cop that
was fired. He's disgruntled against the
government. You know, like they probably
really made these guys think that they're going to come and
take down the Looney Tunes, which is dangerous for everybody
for sure. And then when they saw, hey,
look at how he's behaving with us.
Look how his family's behaving with us.
Look at there is No 3% of posters.
Listen, there's no cue posters. Listen, the dudes coffee table
has the Bible and the Constitution, which is a true
story. It's been right down the coffee
room table. I love that you know, the house
is neatly. You know that there's a
religious family. You know, they realize this is
my assumption. What they told us ain't true.
And I think that's what shifted the behavior and the rest of
that search warrant that took place, which tells me that these
guys are probably doing these search warrants under the
assumption of things that are probably not true or they're not
being given the whole story. And once they realize the truth,
you know, conscious kicks in and they do things the right way.
Yeah, I think you're right. I think Steve Friend told us he
had a similar experience when they dealt with Gretchen Widmer
kidnapping guys. Same story.
It's like this. We got fed one thing, you get
hyped up to do one thing. The ground truth doesn't meet
that reality and and it's nice to know that they switch tactics
on you. I think that's a little bit of
hope. So we got to hold people
accountable, but we also got to give them an opportunity to do
the right thing when they do. We got to give them the Atta
boys that are deserved. So I appreciate that.
Look, man, I appreciate you sharing your story.
Some of that stuff is a little bit touching.
It's probably going to upset me later on.
So I appreciate you kind of giving me the truth, especially
sitting in a cell like that. I've been in a, I've been in a
close quarters thing like that where I was doing just training,
just doing a survival training. And I know what it looks like to
lose track of the hours and the days and count how how wide your
cell is based on how big your feet are.
And you know, how many scratches are on the left side of the wall
closest to the light or whatever it may be.
And all that stuff is tough. And that's the thing that people
only people who have done it know it and and that rings
really true. How can people find you?
How can they follow your show? And and you know, we'll cross
pollinate. I think there's obviously the
same kind of people are interested in the same kind of
things you and I are talking about South share it out there.
Yeah, absolutely. You guys want to find
everything. Me made it easy.
You go to the alphawarriorshow.tv, that'll
show you sponsorships. I have legal funds that I have
where my show is. Or if you just want to go
straight to Rumble, just type in the search bar Alpha Warrior
Show. It'll pop up and a lot of a lot
of interesting stuff. And there's some fun stuff, you
know, to to break them and knock me at things every now and then.
But the, the main focus that my show has always been is, you
know, what's going on with the vaccination, what's going on
with the elections, what's going on with January 6th.
And then we just, you know, touch on some other things.
Yeah, and, and I've been on there and I enjoyed talking to
you and I know you spent a lot of time doing some great
production work. So a lot of, a lot of heart and
a lot of I know it's a labor of love on your end.
So I'm I'm appreciative of it folks, check that sucker out.
And if you can see some of the things, I know you also support
other cops, other veterans who are going through rough times
and you're very giving person and and I'm appreciative of that
too. So by all means check them out.
I follow you on on social. Your social media is X Alpha
Warrior, another X. So that's the letter X on both
sides. Are you on Twitter?
What other things are you on? I'm on truth as alpha warrior,
get her as alpha warrior and Instagram someone's working on
that For me. I think it's either alpha
warrior show or the alpha warrior show.
OK, but go to the website, everything.
Websites all there the alphawarriorshow.tv.
The alphawarshow.tv here. Here's the cool thing, and I
haven't announced it, so this would be the first time people
hear of it. In the very near future, there's
a cop show that we're going to be doing once a week, just
working things out with who's going to Co host it.
But it's the opposite of what mainstream media is putting out
there. Mainstream media want to tell
you all the horrible stories. We're going to find cops across
the across the entire country doing CPR on babies, you know,
pulling cats out of trees with firefighters, you know, rescuing
people at restaurants, donating their time.
We're going to bring the like the stories, the good stories of
what people are doing, but we're also going to include some of
the painful ones. You know, what they went through
going to a, you know, a fatal with the family involved or a
shooting where you know they survived but the partner didn't.
So it's powerful show probably becoming a tail end of next
month. It's outstanding.
Yeah. I think it's an important
message right now. This is such a nuanced issue.
We're living in the Gray times right now.
It's not black and white. So people got to get in there
and get educated on it. Alpha, thanks for joining me,
buddy. I very much appreciate you
sharing all that information. I'm going to go ahead and read
us out here. So, ladies and gentlemen, you
have been listening to the Kyle Seraphin Show.
Please consider sharing it. Hit the subscribe button.
We're on Rumble. We're on Apple, Spotify,
iHeartRadio, wherever you listen to podcast.
You can probably find us. If you've enjoyed what you
heard, please share this content with a friend, 2 or 50 if you.
You got them, you got more friends than me then.
It's always appreciated and it does help us grow our audience
out there. The number of people who have
access to these first hand stories of both malfeasance on
the government side and what what it really looks like to be
on the receiving end of what your federal government dollars
are paying for. I think it's really important to
be able to put these out there. So we do appreciate that.
We also appreciate your feedback.
We'd love if you give us a five star review on Apple Podcast.
We're almost up to 300 right now, which is pretty shocking.
We're almost as many as Brett Baier, who's been doing it for
many, many more years. And Phil, so if you've got one
of those handy, I'd have you read it out for us.
Yeah, sure. In fact I got 2 good ones.
I don't know if we're ever going to catch up at this rate Kyle,
but first one comes from Maria who wrote.
I just started listening to your podcast so I have quite a bit of
catching up to do. I like what I'm hearing.
I heard you on Dan Bongino podcast so I decided to follow
you as well. Also got a nice shout out from
Quiet Birdman who wrote great work.
I've been listening since shortly after I heard your
interview with Dan Bongino. Love the inside Baseball, inside
insights into what's going on in our federal agencies.
Thanks to both of them for those nice five star reviews.
If you want to leave a five star review, we'll read it here on
the podcast. That's it folks.
You can support the podcast by going to patriotcoolers.com.
We'll put the link down there. Again, promo code Kyle will get
you 10% off and also throws a little bit towards us, which is
not nothing. You've been listening to the
Kyle Seraphin Show and we will see you all next time.
Thanks for listening to the Kyle Seraphin show.
Be sure to follow him on Twitter and Truth at Kyle Seraphin.