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Prepared to hear the truth from 
a real whistleblower and 

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American patriot? 
Here's civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender and indefinitely 

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suspended FBI agent Kyle 
Serafin. 

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Hello, my friends, and welcome 
to the Kyle Serafin Show for 

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Monday, March 13th, 2023. 
And we're going to be continuing

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our long form interviews today 
with our guest, Alfredo, AKA 

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Alpha Luna Junior, a former 
police officer who worked in 

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Cathedral City Police Department
in Cathedral City, CA, which is 

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a small city near Palm Springs. 
Many people know where that is. 

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Alpha served in the United 
States Marine Corps for just 

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under six years. 
And in keeping with our 

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tradition of oath keeping former
Marines that we keep bringing on

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the show, we keep doing it and 
we're going to keep doing it. 

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His his story is going to 
continue the outrage tour that 

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we've had and should also make 
you incredulous, exposing even 

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more FBI and federal law 
enforcement malfeasance. 

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You see, Alpha was arrested on 
state charges, which stemmed 

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from a federal search warrant 
because of means and meme tweets

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on January 6th. 
On 20/21, he never showed up at 

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the Capitol and that didn't stop
the feds from coming through his

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door. 
Folks, this is the kind of stuff

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that you have to know about 
'cause you have to know what 

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we're up against. 
So stand by for a conversation. 

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It's probably going to make your
blood boil. 

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It's also going to probably make
you laugh because he's a funny 

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guy. 
The last time he and I talked, I

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actually got in trouble with my 
wife because I was staying up 

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till midnight and she didn't 
believe that I was talking to 

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Jake from State Farm. 
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And without further ado, we're 
going to bring on my friend, the

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host of the Alpha Warrior show. 
This is Alpha Luna, brother. 

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Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin 
show. 

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Thanks for having me on your 
show. 

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I got to do the favor and bring 
you back on. 

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No absolute honor, man. 
Happy to be here, happy to be 

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with your audience and take a 
little time to share my story. 

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All right, well, let's break 
into it right away. 

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First of all, I want to 
establish your credentials, your

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bona fides, who you are as a 
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Where did you grow up, and and 
how did you end up in the United

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States Marine Corps? 
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I was 2021. 
I was a baby. 

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Borderline, borderline young 
genius, right? 

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Borderline young genius. 
Yeah. 

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I wanted to go right out of high
school, you know? 

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But typical athlete, you know, 
you find a girlfriend, you think

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you got, you know what's going 
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You're like, no, you know, not 
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want, you know? 
No, you're too smart for that. 

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Yeah. 
You know, I can control my life.

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So you know, about all the time.
Went to college, 911 happened 

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and then two days later, 2-3 
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the recruiting office saying 
hey, you know, let's get the 

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party started. 
Scored really high on the ASVAD.

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So they actually. 
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by that still. 
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I've seen your show. 
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takes to put together a show 
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And there's a lot of skill set 
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table. 
So the your, your surprise is 

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just yours. 
Everyone else is not surprised. 

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It's, you know, in high school 
is the undercover nerd, you 

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know, because I was a jock, hung
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sports my entire life. 
So it's like you can't be 

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getting A's on, you know, 
chemistry tests and things like 

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that. 
Well, you can't be talking about

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it. 
You can't be talking about it. 

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But no, you know, my parents 
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You know, that's where it came 
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You know, neither of them went 
to college, you know, until they

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were, you know, adults later on,
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life they had. 
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generation after, you always 
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So they pushed me. 
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And a real quick example of 
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Wait, what was your sport? 
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track are the main ones. 
OK, and then football, strong 

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safety. 
I'm glad I'll brag about this 

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because this is a this is my Al 
Bundy moment, right? 

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But no man MVP every year, high 
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strong safety, captain like it 
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High school. 
High school is fun and you know,

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I wasn't tall enough or big 
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I had to take football to the 
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So it's fun, but yeah, so I was 
taking advanced chemistry. 

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I get AC in it, right? 
And to my dad, AC was an F. 

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That's right. 
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He's so he's like, you want to 
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You know, you're going to go 
take we had this like at the 

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time it was called intercession.
It was like a third try. 

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He went for high school. 
So I go and I take it and me and

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my dad. 
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our relationship was not like 
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brother that tells you the 
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So, you know, it was just like, 
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challenge me that I can't do it 
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it just to prove a point. 
So even though it wasn't the 

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right reasons, signed up, you 
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entire bowel curve to the 
teachers like hey, we got to go 

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with the second highest grade 
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Just crushing it. 

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Just crushing it. 
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that people didn't realize. 
So I go, I take the ASVAB and 

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they're just like, hey, we'll 
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And I'm like, what's that? 
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like, well, I don't get to go. 
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Know no, no, tell people. 
You got to tell people. 

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Not everybody knows what the Jag
program is and why that wouldn't

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suit you. 
Tell tell them what that is. 

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It's the, it's the jug Advocate 
General, attorneys, lawyers, 

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it's the court system is what it
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And I was just like, no, like 
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Like, I want to go there and, 
you know, take names and blow 

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stuff up. 
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anybody can do that you want. 
And I was like, no, like, that's

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where I want to go. 
So, you know, back and forth a 

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little bit. 
Ultimately, he's like, all 

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right, that's what you want to 
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That's what you'll do. 
And then, yeah, ended up landing

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in Kuwait. 
Valentine's Day of 2003, war 

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started in March. 
We crossed the LOD on March 

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18th. 
And, you know, everybody got to 

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watch the rest of that on TV. 
That's right now. 

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So you had an infantry spot or 
did you have something that was 

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in a infantry support role? 
So we were infantry scouts, and 

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so this is where the infantry 
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We didn't have to hump. 
We were attached to an Alley V 

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battalion. 
So we got to put our rucksacks 

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on the side of these vehicles 
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everywhere. 
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know, do this stuff, go do Ford 
Recon and things like that. 

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But one of the cool stories is 
we got to rescue Oliver North 

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out there. 
Really. 

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Yeah, so I got AI got a picture 
with him out in the sock, you 

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know, shaking hands. 
Well with that, you know, all we

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know is we're getting diverted 
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So, you know, we go, he had a, 
he was out there doing a 

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documentary. 
So his Black Hawk got shut down,

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the 2 Cobra helicopters got shut
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So they're there, you know, 
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We get there, we pick them up, 
take out the people I need to be

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taking out. 
Meanwhile, everyone in the 

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vehicles now, because you can 
hear the calms, like we're in 

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the back, we get the helmets and
everybody's saying like, it was 

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Oliver North, it's Oliver North.
So like I said, I was a baby at 

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the time, right? 
Right. 

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Plus, young guys are like, who 
the Hell's Oliver? 

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Yeah, high 5 maybe, right? 
Is that good? 

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Is that bad? 
So the, the older guys ended up 

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schooling us on that and we're 
like, oh, man, this guy's 

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pretty. 
This is a bad, this is a 

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legendary Marine right here. 
And so we got, you know, took a 

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picture with him. 
So the different things like 

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that in Iraq right after my 
military time went straight into

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law enforcement gun into the 
Academy. 

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What years? 
Finished the Academy in late 

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2005, started in 2006, got 
picked up my my agency in 2005. 

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They actually sponsored me 
through the Academy. 

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So it was pretty cool. 
Now is that common in in 

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California school? 
I mean, California academies is 

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that most people get sponsored 
through or a lot of people pay 

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in their own way. 
A lot of people pay in their own

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So if there's there's these 

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times where you'll have where 
there's more positions than 

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bodies and then you'll probably 
get, you know, the sponsorships 

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are a little easier there. 
But right now most people are 

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paying their way. 
So unless they go Sheriff's 

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Department, Sheriff's Department
usually pays them right out of 

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the gate. 
Fair enough. 

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So, so I get into the Cathedral 
City Police Department, always 

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telling everybody we're the 
armpit of Palm Springs, so. 

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Literally geographically that 
that suits if anybody wants to 

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look it up on the map, they 
could find it. 

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It's Palm Springs on the north. 
What Palm Desert on the South? 

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And you guys are stuck in 
between there right in that 

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little corner we're. 
Stuck. 

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We're stuck right, right there 
between them against the 

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freeway. 
So we're we're literally the 

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armpit of them. 
So I'll start working there. 

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I knew right out of the gate 
what I wanted to do. 

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You know, I wanted to get into 
SWAT and I wanted to get into 

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games like those. 
Those were my two goals right 

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there. 
I had no ambitions to be a 

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Sergeant, no ambitions to be a 
police chief. 

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Like that wasn't even on my 
radar. 

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I just wanted to go, you know, 
find bad guys. 

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So first day off of training I 
get in my first officer involved

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shooting. 
I'm like, it was literally 

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second call for service. 
First day wasn't even my call, 

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but you know, I'm a boot. 
So I'm like, hey, I'll go handle

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that. 
I'm right around the corner 

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this. 
Is right off FTO or you're still

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FTO. 
No this this is my first day off

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FTO. 
First day riding solo. 

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First day riding solo. 
Second call took the took the 

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black and white to the car wash.
Spent the next 15 minutes 

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driving back and forth in front 
of the Stater brothers, mirrored

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windows being like, yeah right. 
You're checking yourself out. 

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Like I did it here I am. 
So I'm telling you guys that's 

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that's, that's the stuff of, of 
dumb. 

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You know, rookie, rookie cops 
will do things like that. 

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So go and pick up coffee because
that's what we do. 

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No Donuts. 
That's that's generations behind

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us. 
You guys, it's not Donuts no 

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more. 
And car goes out of a domestic 

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disturbance. 
A strange boyfriend finds finds 

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his wife. 
You know, we were out there the 

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day before and there was no 
paper. 

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It was one of those things where
there's no TRO just going to go 

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there, tell the dude quit being 
a dumb shit and you know, get 

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out of here. 
So I'm like, hey, it's going to 

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be the same thing. 
I know it's it's our Friday. 

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You know, the guys down at the 
station working on paper. 

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Let me impress them and say, 
hey, the rookie will go and 

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handle this. 
So I go. 

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And so turning into a shooting. 
We won. 

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He didn't, but the interesting 
there was going to be a murder 

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suicide. 
He actually had the note in his 

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back pocket apologizing because 
he was going to kill his ex-wife

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or girlfriend, I'm not sure if 
they're officially married or 

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not. 
And then he was going to kill a 

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little girl and then himself. 
So he spelled it all out on 

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paper, put it in his pocket and 
then you guys rolled up on you, 

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rolled up on the call solo or 
did you have backup at the time?

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No, I was solo. 
I was solo. 

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The last place they saw him was 
the backyard. 

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So as I'm walking up to the 
front door, I'm like, well, you 

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know, that's the last place they
saw him. 

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Let me check there. 
And this after I ran the plates 

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and did all the, you know, buy 
the book stuff you're supposed 

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to do. 
So I had these RV gates, these 

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mesh RV gates. 
So I'm opening up the handle 

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when this guy comes walking 
around the corner once his name 

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was Thomas. 
And so I see him. 

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So I'm like Thomas, come here 
and he's like, no, so I'm like 

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Thomas, come here and he goes 
no, like really loud. 

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Not going to be onto the mic and
then he turns around so I'm like

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oh, he's going to run I'm like 
awesome, this is going to be a 

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foot pursuit I'm. 
Going to get this, this is the 

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kind of meathead stupidity that 
goes on on your first day when 

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you don't know me better, right?
It's just, but then again, all, 

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all the patrol cops I know like 
they're, they're not there 

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because it's fun to go and like 
kiss babies and like get high 

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fives from people. 
They're there because there's 

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bad dudes that want to do bad 
things. 

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And you have training and 
experience and physicality to 

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bring to the table and that's 
your job. 

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Like you're there to protect. 
Right. 

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You're you're there to find the 
thing that's going to hurt 

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everybody everybody's scared of 
and put in place where people 

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aren't to be afraid of. 
It Yeah, fair enough. 

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OK, so this guy turns his back 
on you. 

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So he turns his back. 
I think he's going to run. 

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So I'm like, hell yeah. 
But he does a spin. 

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On the other end of that spin is
a gun and barrel. 

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So he. 
What has he got in his hand? 

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A handgun or rifle. 
The handgun, It was a handgun. 

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OK, I mean, people do weird 
things. 

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They like put shotguns down 
their back pants. 

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Like we've seen gangsters hide 
all kinds of stuff so. 

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Yeah, sorry, shotguns. 
For sure, for sure. 

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All right, so he comes up with a
handgun. 

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Comes up with a handgun, fires a
couple rounds in my direction. 

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I very quickly make make my way 
to a cylinder cinder block ball 

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draw my and get ready to put 
some rounds down range. 

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He runs to the back. 
I get on the mic. 

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You know, shots fired, shots 
fired. 

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Probably sounded a little bit 
more excited than that, right? 

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And then I hear glass break 
sound like, all right, this 

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clown just got into the house 
and I know that the the the mom 

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and the daughter in there. 
So decision, right. 

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You got, you know, hair of a, 
you know, split second to make a

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decision. 
And I'm like, if I don't get in 

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there before he gets in there, 
he's going to kill him. 

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You know, that's what I'm 
thinking. 

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So I run back through the front 
of the house, the big windows 

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open. 
The mom's there. 

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She's like petrified. 
She's holding her little girl, 

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right? 
I'm like opening the heaven door

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and she's a stone cold so. 
She's just in the freeze things.

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We talk about this sometimes 
when we talk about people's 

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preparation and they always talk
about fight or flight. 

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But the third option is freeze. 
A lot of people choose that. 

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Most people in a modern world 
will freeze given the the action

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potential. 
They just don't know what to do 

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Overcome. 
She's stone cold frozen man. 

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Yeah, finally I get her 
attention. 

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She opens the door. 
I walk and get her behind me. 

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I have my gun pointed down the 
hallway. 

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I can hear a little noise. 
I'm just waiting for him to come

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barely down the hallway. 
And you know the Round 2 of this

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fight, get her out to my police 
car. 

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By this time, every the 
calvary's getting there, you can

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hear sirens from everywhere. 
We surround the house, SWAT team

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gets there, air supports there. 
You know they're doing the 

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surrounding call out in a couple
hours pass. 

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They make the decision, hey, 
he's not coming out. 

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We're going to go in. 
Well, what it was was when the 

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glass broken because it was when
the glass broke also heard 

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another gunshot got it. 
And what happened was he 

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actually put the gun to his 
heart. 

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So he ended up killing himself 
and then the glass break was him

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falling through the through the 
glass. 

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Interesting. 
So Corner gets there and that's 

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when they end up finding the the
suicide note. 

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So you force them to a decision 
like so many of these guys, they

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have a cowardly plan. 
You, you put them to a decision 

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for their chips. 
They they take themselves out of

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the equation. 
This is the reason why these 

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responses are direct a threat in
these situations. 

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That's why they teach things 
like alert active shooter. 

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You got to go to the guy. 
You can't wait around for it 

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because he's either going to 
take other people out or they're

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going to take themselves out the
minute they come into 

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opposition, which sounds like 
you saved some lives that day. 

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Yeah, that's, that's got to be 
like on the top tier of that 

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beats the heck out of my first 
day. 

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You and I talked about this 
once, but my first day was I got

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picked up in the pouring rain at
3:30 in the morning and got 

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tossed in the, you know, thing 
with my training agent. 

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And he goes, he goes, you're 
we're going to do a search 

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warrant. 
That's where we're starting. 

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And, you know, you're on the RAM
like you're the guy who's going 

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to take the door. 
And we went in and grabbed a 

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like a PCP dealer out of DC. 
So definitely a lower key 

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version of that and obviously 
still in my my trading tape, but

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most people don't have action on
their first day. 

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I'm curious, how many officer 
involved shootings would you say

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happen in an annually in 
Cathedral City? 

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Like how common was that for 
you? 

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It's not common at all. 
We've probably, let's see in in 

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14 years that I was there, I'd 
say we had 11. 11 total. 

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So once a year is even is is 
more than often. 

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OK. 
And So what do people do? 

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Like you come back, you're the 
rookie your first day out of FTO

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and you're out there and you got
a guy that just put himself 

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through a window. 
What's the response like that on

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the department? 
So the command post is set up. 

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So I'm obviously they're sitting
me in the trailer, you know, 

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just getting everything that can
get out of me about what 

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happened, right? 
And you know, everybody's out in

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the whispers are taking place 
outside, right? 

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And so we had this Sergeant Ed 
Cologne, just one of the 

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greatest man I ever worked for, 
also a Marine. 

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And he comes in, hears all the 
whispers and he's like, I don't 

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want to hear that, you know, SI 
teach, I don't. 

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Can we cuss on here man? 
If it's appropriate, then you do

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what you got to do. 
Yeah, I, I don't swear that 

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often, but sometimes that's the 
way the story has to go. 

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All. 
Right. 

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Well, for me, this most people 
respond, I need a swear word, 

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but he goes, I don't want to 
hear that shit. 

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In all, he's just like, this 
guy's a Marine, he's been in 

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combat, of course he's going to 
be fine now get some food. 

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And he ordered pizza. 
That's just who does that kind 

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of man that's. 
Yeah, straighten it out. 

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That's it. 
That's that's the difference 

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between freeze and action, 
right? 

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That's the difference between 
fight and people who freeze up. 

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Like you just got to come in and
make something happen. 

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Shake everybody off so they're 
out there. 

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Why? 
Like, is he going to be OK? 

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You know, something happened. 
Tell him doing the rumor mill. 

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I heard he got shot in the foot,
you know, that kind of thing. 

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All that, all the things. 
Yeah, he's missing a hand. 

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He's in there bleeding all that.
They got him on life support. 

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00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,200
Yeah, in the command post where 
he's getting debriefed. 

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Yes, man. 
So I was just like, man, I'm 

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just trying to get something to 
drink. 

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So but no, that that's the way 
it started. 

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Ended up being fine after that, 
you know, obviously it gave my 

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peers, you know, more confidence
and then it would end up going 

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in. 
Have you? 

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So out of those eleven officer 
involved, shootings for them 

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were mine. 
That's wild. 

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That's truly wild. 
How big a department are we 

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talking about? 
How many sworn? 

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About just under 70. 
About six, yeah, About mid 60s. 

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OK. 
And what percentage of that? 

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Including admin though. 
You sure how many were? 

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How many people are going to be 
in the investigative end? 

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How many people on the patrol 
end? 

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Patrol were about, let's see, 
6/6, 6:00 and 6:00, so about 

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close to 30 with maybe canine. 
You're going to have seven in 

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the detective Bureau. 
You got another four in motors. 

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Then we have some special 
enforcement details. 

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So probably about just under 30 
in patrol and the rest all 

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allocated to like special teams.
OK. 

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So just under half is actually 
doing the daily, the daily 

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grind, interfacing with the 
public. 

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And then you got a handful of 
people and you eventually left 

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patrol, it sounded like, right? 
You moved into a detective role 

434
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at some point, yes. 
How long did that? 

435
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How long did that take? 
That was in 2013, 2012, 2013. 

436
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Getting into. 6-7 years, 
something like that, yeah. 

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I ended up working the special 
enforcement detail. 

438
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It's kind of like our catch all.
You're working massage parlors, 

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graffitis, homeless, gangs, 
drugs. 

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You're you're kind of like the 
mutt position for. 

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Utility and theater, I like to 
call it. 

442
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,960
Yeah. 
There you go, perfect. 

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You know what, whatever the the 
city mayor is getting complaints

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from, you know, all of a sudden 
becomes the priority mission we 

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end up. 
Did you have a cool name for it?

446
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It was just called Specialty 
Team. 

447
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That's. 
The no SCD, so we wanted a 

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cooler name, but that was the 
name that was there. 

449
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,000
So special enforcement detail is
what it was. 

450
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,560
So yeah, we wanted something 
cool, but now? 

451
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,120
Yeah, you see some of these 
guys, they figure out they're 

452
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:56,840
like, we're going to be called 
the Rats. 

453
00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,400
It's the Rapid Assistance 
Tactical Squad or something 

454
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,480
silly, right? 
There's everybody in law 

455
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,680
enforcement. 
Half of it is about what you 

456
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,320
name is and how cool your patch 
is. 

457
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,520
At that time we actually had 
some old school administration, 

458
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,840
so it was a fight to even have a
a drop leg holster. 

459
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,320
Really. 
Yes, they wanted you in just a 

460
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,920
regular duty belt. 
Regular duty belt, so you know 

461
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,680
it was you know there was it was
frowned upon to be doing work 

462
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,720
like in jeans and and pullovers 
and stuff. 

463
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,960
I can. 
See that, that that is an old 

464
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,680
school thing, though. 
It's, it's like, you know, put 

465
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,800
on the uniform. 
I I've talked to older school 

466
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,920
FBI guys who think it's 
embarrassing that people are out

467
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,200
there working and they're not 
wearing a suit. 

468
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,280
So there's something to be said 
about that. 

469
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,680
And I wonder if there's some 
culture that got eroded by 

470
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,120
losing that professionality. 
The, you know, the, the, the 

471
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,800
visual appearance that people 
saw. 

472
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,600
And when people wanted to go 
cool guy, 'cause everybody 

473
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,240
thinks they're SF, right? 
Everybody thinks they're a 

474
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,760
special truth. 
When everybody's special, 

475
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,880
nobody's special. 
Isn't that the? 

476
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,400
Isn't that the story? 
That that's why you get cops to 

477
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,000
buy $300 flashlights. 
That's right, I do like a 300. 

478
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,320
Flashlight that's at Lowe's is 
that this one says tactical on 

479
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,160
the package. 
Right, right. 

480
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,360
I mean, I like a $300 flashlight
as much as the next guy. 

481
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,880
I got 1 sitting behind me. 
So it's made in America, It 

482
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,680
makes it work. 
So but yeah, so we get into 

483
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,160
that, we end up getting some new
leadership and Chief George 

484
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,120
Crumb, solid guy and he's just 
like, listen, we got a major 

485
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,360
gang problem and that's what I 
want to address. 

486
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,520
He ends up making us a full time
in house gang team. 

487
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,600
And that's pretty much the 
career changer for me is where 

488
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,440
it happened. 
We excelled right out of the 

489
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,280
gate, put major guys away. 
So the regional team out for the

490
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,200
Valley ended up picking me up, 
and that's when I got to work 

491
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,720
with the DA's office, you know, 
the FBI, you know, all all the 

492
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,080
big dogs, so to speak. 
And yeah, that lot of great 

493
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,280
stories there, man. 
Were you associated with like a 

494
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,520
Haida or something like that or 
what was the task force you had 

495
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,640
that was that would be federal 
money, if any? 

496
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,640
So Haida was from our narc side,
so we worked with them, but we 

497
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,080
didn't actually work with Hyde 
themselves. 

498
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,200
Like if if we cross pollinated 
like on an operation or 

499
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,360
something we did, but ours was 
considered. 

500
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:07,920
It was the Coachella Valley Gang
Task Force. 

501
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,320
So regional task force it. 
Was a regional task force, so 

502
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,800
that's where a lot of that money
came from. 

503
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,000
And we were pretty much one 
person from every city that was 

504
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,360
out there, including the 
sheriff's. 

505
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,320
So, but it was a how the team 
man, probably the funnest time 

506
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,920
of my career. 
I think everybody has like one 

507
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,360
of those things where you're 
just like, this was the the few 

508
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,760
years that was the most fun. 
These were the this was the team

509
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,880
that gelled. 
A lot of it is about 

510
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,760
personalities, I think, right. 
It's got to be about how does 

511
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,960
the, how does the, the chemistry
of the, the folks on there. 

512
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,280
Can you, can you give them a 
hard time? 

513
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,000
Can you riff with them? 
You know, are they playing 

514
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,960
pranks on you? 
Are they sending funny packages 

515
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,160
to your wife? 
Things like that. 

516
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,360
We, we, we may or may not have 
sent a sex toy to one of my 

517
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,840
buddies wives just to, just to 
let her know that we're all 

518
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,880
thinking about him. 
So we sent it to him from her. 

519
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,840
No, to her from him. 
We put his name as the sender 

520
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,600
cause 'cause why not? 
You just got to sometimes you 

521
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,800
got to mix it up with the guys 
and just let them know that 

522
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,120
we're thinking about them in a 
weird way. 

523
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,680
No, it it was not uncommon for 
your phone number to end up on 

524
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,080
like the Backpage to Grinder or 
like Craigslist, you know, 

525
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,640
looking for the home for a three
legged goat stuff like. 

526
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,960
That catching weird phone calls 
in the middle of the night 

527
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,720
looking like who is this mutant 
that's calling me right. 

528
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,840
Why is this dude sending me text
messages? 

529
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,760
We're at a conference one time 
and my buddies there and we end 

530
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,720
up putting his his number in an 
ad. 

531
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,480
You know, family has a three 
legged goat. 

532
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,600
They're moving and they can't 
keep it. 

533
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,160
He doesn't want to send it to 
the slaughterhouse. 

534
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,400
Just completely hurt, tear 
jerking story. 

535
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,960
And he's getting his phone is 
just blowing up the entire 

536
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,240
conference. 
So he's in, then he's like, 

537
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,800
listen, you guys need to take it
off there. 

538
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:44,800
Because he knows right away 
what's going on. 

539
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,600
This is not like a mystery. 
Yeah, yeah. 

540
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,560
He knows what's going on and I'm
there and I'm like, you guys 

541
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,880
seriously, like we're here to 
work, be professional, like, you

542
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000
know, take this guy's, take it 
down. 

543
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,200
So I'm backing up what he finds 
out on the last day of the 

544
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,760
conference. 
It's that I'm Judas, man, like 

545
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,440
I'm the one. 
That you're the one who posted 

546
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,520
it. 
That he was so pissed, man. 

547
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,680
But it was fun. 
It was a good story. 

548
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,160
So I think we, we heard you said
you were involved in four 

549
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,840
officer involved shootings. 
We just heard the one. 

550
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,600
Give me one of the other three 
that's out there since people 

551
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,400
will be curious about this And 
and if you don't mind kind of 

552
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,160
focusing too on the 
physiological reactions that you

553
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,680
had, the thoughts you had after 
the fact. 

554
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Everybody always thinks they're 
going to be able to handle an 

555
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,920
extreme circumstance, Maybe some
of the things that you fell back

556
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,360
on or that you rose to the 
moment or however that kind of 

557
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,440
worked out for you. 
Because I think that's one of 

558
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,560
those things that most people 
will not find themselves tried 

559
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800
in that way, at least not 
domestically. 

560
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,160
And that's a good thing, you 
know. 

561
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,800
Sure. 
That is that's a good sign of 

562
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,720
our society, right? 
Yeah. 

563
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,840
So we'll go back to the first 
shooting. 

564
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,200
The the one thing that was like 
really sticks out in my mind was

565
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,600
my sense of hearing. 
Because when you get through 

566
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,360
some fight or flight is going to
kick in and your brain is going 

567
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:52,720
to say, hey, what organs do need
to shut down? 

568
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080
Because I need to send blood and
oxygen to what's actually needed

569
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,480
to survive this. 
And in this case, one of my 

570
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800
senses that actually got 
enhanced was my hearing. 

571
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,280
So if, you know, somebody goes 
and pulls a report or foils the 

572
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,520
audio, when I hear that glass 
break, you actually hear me say,

573
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,160
you know, he broke the rear 
slider. 

574
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,200
You know, like if my hearing was
so in tune that even the 

575
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,880
thickness of the glass I was 
able to separate from a regular 

576
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,440
window. 
So that was that shooting. 

577
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,600
But I also remember that 
shooting, like my sense of smell

578
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,360
was just gone. 
And I did. 

579
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,360
I do remember having some tunnel
vision there. 

580
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,320
You know, the outside kind of 
clouded up, didn't get dark on 

581
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,320
me, but it fogged out. 
The second shooting was the 

582
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,280
night I got off probation. 
Because that's just the way 

583
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,840
God's sense of humor works right
on that one. 

584
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,840
So the funny part about this one
is this one was a pursuit that 

585
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,440
ended up turning to shooting at 
the tail. 

586
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,600
And it was attempt homicide 
suspect that was running from 

587
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600
me. 
Well, he'll, he's driving an old

588
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,800
truck has those windows that 
slide open in the back. 

589
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,560
So he opens the window. 
And of course, what do we all 

590
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,240
know in the pursuit, someone 
opens the window, they're going 

591
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,520
to toss out the drugs, they're 
going to toss out the guns. 

592
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,360
So we're on the freeway and I'm 
looking for a mile marker so I 

593
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,640
can let because we're going, 
we're doing like 120 like we're 

594
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,280
hauling butt and well, all of a 
sudden I see a like these 

595
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,760
sparkles on the street. 
He's tossing something. 

596
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,040
It's just ammo your way. 
So. 

597
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,880
Without the casing. 
Well, here's so I'm going to 

598
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,480
clown myself on this one. 
So I'm telling everybody on the 

599
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,440
radio, you know, the play by 
play, and I'm like, he's tossing

600
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240
cigarettes out the window, all 
right? 

601
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,920
And then one hits the hood and 
another one hits the light bar 

602
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,760
and I realize, oh, those aren't 
cigarettes. 

603
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,360
No, this clown's shooting at me,
right? 

604
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,640
And so we end up CHP ends up 
joining the the pursuit with me.

605
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,440
We got all the way to the bridge
on Scirocco Summit. 

606
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,880
Guy stops in the middle of the 
bridge. 

607
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,400
And this is about this time, 
it's probably close to midnight,

608
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560
1:00 AM. 
So the only people out in the 

609
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,920
road are just us and the 
truckers. 

610
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,240
And so during this time, he was 
trying to make the truck drivers

611
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,400
crash. 
So they actually, and this is an

612
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,760
assumption, but I think it's an 
educated one, All the semis were

613
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,840
all actually pulled off to the 
side of the road out at some 

614
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,040
point. 
So they're out. 

615
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,920
They were in communication 
saying, hey, there's some crazy 

616
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,520
guy in the freeway. 
So we get to truck with Summit. 

617
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,240
He goes on the bridge, stops 
right in the middle of the 

618
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,040
bridge. 
You know, we make the Y form 

619
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,560
right behind them and then it's 
the OK corral. 

620
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,480
Man, the craziest shooting I was
ever in. 

621
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,000
I got actually got down to my 
last mag on this one. 

622
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,400
And yeah, it was. 
It was. 

623
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520
What did you carry for patrol? 
21 in the in the gun and two on 

624
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,920
the side Or do you carry 3? 
So at that time it was one in 

625
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,040
the gun, two in the belt, one in
my cargo pocket or sat pocket, 

626
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,960
and then more in the in the car,
which were, you know, rookies, 

627
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240
right? 
I had a bunch of unloaded mags 

628
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,600
with ammo. 
Good to go. 

629
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Yeah, Box of ammo. 
I used to love guys that would 

630
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,360
carry that. 
That made me. 

631
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,120
It's like, hold on, bad guys. 
I got to. 

632
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,120
Right. 
I learned real quick from that 

633
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,600
one. 
So then all of a sudden there's 

634
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,560
a low on the action, dust 
starting to settle, and the 

635
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,560
truck starts to roll back. 
So I'm yelling at the CHP guys, 

636
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,880
hey, watch the crossfire. 
Because if this clown starts to 

637
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,280
shoot when he gets between us, 
you know, all of a sudden. 

638
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,040
It's rolling towards you, not 
rolling away from you. 

639
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Now it's rolling backwards 
towards us on park here. 

640
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480
He's literally rolling backwards
between the two cars. 

641
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,840
He goes between us, nothing 
happens. 

642
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,640
He rolls rolls down the 
embankment. 

643
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,400
I run over the CHP car to make 
sure he's OK. 

644
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,800
And I don't know, it's actually 
a two man car. 

645
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,000
CHP runs two guys at night and 
one of them had a rifle. 

646
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,960
So we at this point we have two 
pistols and a rifle. 

647
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,440
So we make sure there's no holes
in US. 

648
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,560
I mean, it's he's down 
invitement. 

649
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,760
So like, you know, we're, we're 
able to safely check us our 

650
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,560
check ourselves out without 
worrying too much about what 

651
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,240
he's going to do. 
So we make the plan. 

652
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Hey, you have the rifle, You 
stay up here. 

653
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800
We're going to walk all the way 
around, come up behind him. 

654
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,360
Something moves in that truck, 
man, you light it up. 

655
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,320
Because once we get behind the 
truck, there's no cover. 

656
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,360
How's the how's the lighting 
situation down there? 

657
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,880
It was, it was weak, but since 
we're out in the middle of 

658
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,800
nowhere, the moonlight was 
actually giving us some pretty 

659
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,200
good light. 
OK, so. 

660
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,760
What about flashlights? 
You have a $300 flashlight ready

661
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,880
to go? 
Or what was the story? 

662
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,840
No, I was still a rookie, so I'm
still carrying the, you know, 

663
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,440
the long D cells mag light. 
So nothing fancy. 

664
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,240
But yeah, we do have our lights.
And like I said, the moonlight 

665
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,000
did a pretty good job of 
lighting up the desert. 

666
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,160
So we come all the way. 
Actually was a good thing 

667
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,080
because like I said, it was just
nothing but soft cover that 

668
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920
we're operating behind. 
So we make our way to the back 

669
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,040
of the truck. 
We get there, we're calling out 

670
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,000
some, no response. 
We probably should have just 

671
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,760
stayed where we're at and held 
the position. 

672
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,000
But you know, I'm a rookie in 
their CHP, love you CHP, but 

673
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,240
I've built these operations. 
So I tell the CHP officer, I go,

674
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,680
hey, and I'm going to climb in 
the truck. 

675
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,440
If this dude moves like you 
better waste them right? 

676
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Yeah, hindsight would have did 
so many things different. 

677
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Yeah, vehicle assault from 
climbing in the tailgate is not 

678
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,400
SO. 
PS For any department I'm aware 

679
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,440
of. 
No, no, this is total 18 month 

680
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,120
rookie cop move right here, 
right? 

681
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,880
This is where sometimes you got 
to leave the Marine Corps behind

682
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,280
you, you know, and not operate 
that movement to contact stuff. 

683
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,000
So he goes, all right, I got 
you. 

684
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,360
So he's covering me. 
I climb in, I go in there and, 

685
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,880
you know, see some gruesome 
stuff. 

686
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,000
He's out of the fight, we get 
out and by this time, you know, 

687
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,840
we're up. 
You know, if you've ever been in

688
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,720
California and you're driving 
eastbound on the 10th through 

689
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,920
Palm Springs and you can see the
lights going up the mountain, 

690
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,680
we're like out there. 
So since we have the elevation, 

691
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,760
we literally just see like a 
train of police cars coming, the

692
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,080
bird coming. 
And after that point, you know, 

693
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,080
we just sat and wait. 
And then after that, you know, 

694
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,160
it's this central homicide unit 
that comes out and does all the 

695
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,320
procedural stuff. 
But but so on that one, what? 

696
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,960
Was he shooting at you with 
through the window? 

697
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Was that a handgun that he was 
throwing around? 

698
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,520
All couple. 
Guns those. 

699
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,600
There was a couple different 
guns so I don't remember all the

700
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,440
exact calibers. 
None of them were rifles. 

701
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,320
If I remember correctly it was 
all handguns. 

702
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,840
Truck ended up being stolen out 
of Havasu. 

703
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,280
It just wasn't reported yet. 
He was. 

704
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,720
He was a Nazi little writer gang
member. 

705
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,240
He was an NLR. 
He was wanted for 1/10 homicide.

706
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,720
His brother's actually actually.
Did you say 10th homicide? 

707
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,800
Attempt homicide. 
Oh, attempted. 

708
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,200
I thought I heard 10th and I was
like good Lord, oh. 

709
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,360
Yeah, Jesus. 
But his brother at the time, I 

710
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,440
don't know if he's ever been 
arrested, but his brother at the

711
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,000
time was wanted for murder of a 
cop. 

712
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,600
So his brother had already 
killed a cop. 

713
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720
So. 
And so here's the thing, and 

714
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,880
I'll rewind to the beginning of 
this story of just trusting your

715
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,800
gut. 
You know, that training, I 

716
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,680
always tell everybody your eyes 
are picking up a million signals

717
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,880
that are going to your brain and
your brain's just trying to 

718
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,960
prioritize what it's going to 
translate to an image for you or

719
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,920
focus on that image. 
When I initially saw this truck,

720
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,240
because I was working in an area
that was taking a lot of birds 

721
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,320
and I was like, you know what, 
my buddy wanted to go Denny's. 

722
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,120
I was like, hey, I'll meet you 
there. 

723
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Let me just go, you know, make a
presence here for a little bit, 

724
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,120
right? 
Denny's and coffee, right? 

725
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,280
So I go, I park, shut down all 
my lights. 

726
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,920
I park in front of a like AU 
haul style moving truck and I'm 

727
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,000
just sitting there waiting, 
right? 

728
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Windows down. 
Here's something, see something 

729
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,440
and all of a sudden I see this 
car come off the intersection or

730
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,160
this truck come off the 
intersection real slow. 

731
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
So I'm like, all right, red flag
#1. 

732
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,080
And it's just coasting down the 
street. 

733
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,720
So I'm like, OK, well, as soon 
as they, because they and they 

734
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,080
can't see me because like I 
said, I got this like moving 

735
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,080
truck behind me and I'm watching
them through my side mirror. 

736
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,480
So as soon as they come next to 
me, I hit him with the alley 

737
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,840
light and two white males. 
And then they give that, you 

738
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,240
know, uh oh, look, I'm like all 
right, red flag #2 they keep 

739
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,240
driving that get behind them. 
I run the plate, like I said, 

740
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,040
comes to Havasu, but not 
reported yet. 

741
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680
And the third red flag is he 
comes and he stops right in the 

742
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,840
middle of the street. 
So the left side of the street 

743
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,520
or the north side of the street,
complete desert right side was 

744
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,640
the residential is the last St. 
in that community, most northern

745
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
part of our city. 
He stops right in the middle of 

746
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720
the street and right there 
probable cause, right vehicle 

747
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,600
violation. 
Easy 1 So I get ready to my 

748
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,560
fingers literally on the toggle 
switch to hit my overheads 

749
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,440
passenger door open. 
So what do you do? 

750
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,160
You crack your door open because
you're not going to get caught 

751
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,160
slipping. 
And I'm telling you, it's almost

752
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,840
like like my guardian Angel 
literally was holding my hand. 

753
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,160
It's like do not hit that light.
So now the passengers getting 

754
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,120
out, you know young gun hold 
cop, right? 

755
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,720
And well, here's the other 
thing. 

756
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,960
The house they stopped in front 
of is a prolly house known 

757
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,760
prolly house. 
We know there's drugs, we know 

758
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,520
there's guns. 
This is a bad house. 

759
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,720
And so the passenger gets off. 
He's walking towards the house. 

760
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,360
He's looking at the truck, 
looking at me, looking at the 

761
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,120
truck, looking at me. 
So now I'm pissed, right? 

762
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,120
I'm like, well, if there's 
anything in that truck, this 

763
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,560
dude just got off with it. 
But trust in my gut. 

764
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240
So I'm like, all right, as soon 
as this guy takes off, you know,

765
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,520
I'll, I'll light him up with the
lights. 

766
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Because you had to make a 
decision basically whether 

767
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,160
you're going to go after the 
passenger that was getting out, 

768
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,600
which may have evidence of 
whatever crime you think is 

769
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,080
going on there. 
All right, this is just gut 

770
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,920
check stuff or you stick around 
with a mobile threat and have 

771
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
somebody go and because they 
could toss that paroli's house, 

772
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,000
right? 
Like that's easy. 

773
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,760
Absolutely. 
So you can always send somebody 

774
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,200
in there backwards. 
So that's one of those things 

775
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,320
you don't have the benefit of 
all the like multiple years. 

776
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,880
This is just a gut instinct at 
this point. 

777
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,320
So but. 
Gut instinct at 18 months, man. 

778
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,200
But still good. 
And so I go, OK, as soon as this

779
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600
guy turns the corner, I'll light
him up and turns into a pursuit.

780
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Well, here's the thing. 
Hindsight, knowing that this 

781
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,120
guy's, you know, criminal 
experience, there's no doubt in 

782
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,199
my mind he knew if he stopped in
the middle of the street, what's

783
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,000
the cop going to do? 
Traffic stop. 

784
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,600
There's no doubt in my mind that
if I walk up to that window, you

785
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,080
know that that barrel's waiting 
for me. 

786
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,280
And in those situations, you 
guys, it's just it's. 

787
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,400
There's a reason why ambushes 
are very successful, doesn't 

788
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,320
matter how much training you 
have. 

789
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,920
Absolutely. 
And you know, I, I think I'm 

790
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440
here today because I made the 
decision to follow my gut on 

791
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880
that one. 
So the other thing is he'd have 

792
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,880
you in kind of an l-shaped 
ambush there if he's got a guy 

793
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000
that's already out in mobile and
you can only track one threat at

794
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,600
a time, right. 
So once again, one of those 

795
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,480
things, this is the the downside
of having only single, single 

796
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,639
singled up patrol when we only 
have one police officer in a 

797
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,360
single car, you know, we expand 
our resources, be able to be 

798
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,159
able to see more things. 
And I used to work surveillance 

799
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,960
with a single guy in a car too. 
So very similar, like you're 

800
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,760
running as a Singleton, but you 
don't have that extra set of 

801
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,600
eyes, you don't have that extra 
awareness. 

802
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,560
It's whatever the heck that the 
main threat is, and the 

803
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,920
secondary threat can be the one 
that kills you so. 

804
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,560
And he knows too, like I said, 
the north side of that street is

805
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,840
complete desert. 
So I there's no cover to run to 

806
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,600
that way. 
He stopped in the middle of the 

807
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,000
street. 
So I'm in the middle of the 

808
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640
street. 
So to get to cover to other 

809
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,240
vehicles, you know, I'm running 
through his sights or the other 

810
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,160
guy's sights. 
So I mean, the guy planned it. 

811
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Well, if I would have actually, 
you know, bit the bait and 

812
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,280
walked up to that window. 
So, but that that was, that was 

813
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,760
the second one. 
Third one, thank God, was years 

814
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,800
later. 
That was in 2012. 

815
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,520
And that was a sniper ambush. 
You know, it's we survived it. 

816
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,960
We never caught the guy at the 
time, but we ended up finding 

817
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,680
who at least credible 
information from some of our 

818
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,720
street rats who did it. 
So that was a third one. 

819
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,600
And then the 4th 1 was a foot 
pursuit where the guy cranked 

820
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,360
around off at as he missed. 
And you know, we took him into 

821
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,320
custody. 
He survived. 

822
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,120
So, you know, he didn't have to 
get shot for that one. 

823
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,480
That's fair. 
Those were the four. 

824
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,280
Yeah, that's, I mean, so I do 
all that to to kind of establish

825
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,800
credibility that you you've been
on the street doing the thing 

826
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,120
that people think law 
enforcement is supposed to be 

827
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,800
doing. 
You're out there being the 

828
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,400
bullet magnet being, you know, 
interdicting threats that are 

829
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
happening. 
So, you know, a woman in a 

830
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,040
stroller is not going to be the 
one who receives that or some 

831
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,840
poor SAP who's out, you know, 
driving home late from a 

832
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,040
girlfriend's house is the guy 
that runs into that truck or 

833
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,640
whatever else it is. 
So that's, that's part of what I

834
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,800
wanted to establish on there. 
Let's let's move forward. 

835
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520
You went to a specialty unit. 
I assume that there was some 

836
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,440
competition to get there. 
What, what rank were you by the 

837
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,280
time you ended up dealing with 
the, the nightmare that we're 

838
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
going to walk through here? 
That I think it's sort of the 

839
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,400
the focal point of why you're 
sitting here instead of sitting 

840
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,520
in a patrol car sitting at a 
desk right now. 

841
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,280
Work in cases. 
I was the detective and I was 

842
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,400
probably about three years out 
from Sergeant, two to three 

843
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,600
years out from Sergeant, OK. 
And so, and if I was still there

844
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
right now, I'd probably, I'd 
probably be testing for 

845
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,800
Commander Lieutenant. 
OK, Tell people how rank works. 

846
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,240
I don't. 
I think a lot of people, people 

847
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,000
in the military probably have a 
pretty good instinct of how 

848
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,280
these things work. 
Tell people about law 

849
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,440
enforcement rank and what that 
looks like in most departments. 

850
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,120
I think they're fairly similar 
if you don't mind. 

851
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,440
Yeah, so sheriffs will be a 
little different because you'll 

852
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,600
have a corporal before the 
Sergeant and you have some 

853
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,880
municipal agencies that'll 
handle it out. 

854
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,160
Here it goes. 
You have your your patrol guys. 

855
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,320
So your rank and file, the watch
commander is going to be a 

856
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,840
Sergeant, a larger agency. 
The watch commander may be a 

857
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,120
Lieutenant, but for us it was 
patrol. 

858
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,800
Then for patrol you had a watch 
commander. 

859
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,320
Then top of the watch commander,
you had the Lieutenant, you 

860
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,960
know, that would be in charge of
either patrol, special units, 

861
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,120
dispatch, you know, admin. 
But it went. 

862
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,200
So you have patrol and then 
you'd have the next level 

863
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
patrol, which is it's not a 
actual rank, but it's a, it's a 

864
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,120
billet is you would have 
detectives or you would have the

865
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,600
motor division. 
So all of our billets were kind 

866
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,760
of an equilibrium as far as 
paying incentives. 

867
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,480
But you know, personally people 
have the preference and where 

868
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,160
people held them. 
But on paper, you have patrol 

869
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,920
and then you have detectives. 
After detectives you would have 

870
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,480
your Sergeant. 
After your Sergeant, you would 

871
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,080
have your Lieutenant, which they
renamed now to commander. 

872
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,480
After your commander you have 
your deputy chief, and then 

873
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,080
after your deputy chief, you 
have your chief. 

874
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,920
So that's the way our our rank 
and file work fire department. 

875
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,560
And that like you said about 70 
people. 

876
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,680
So that's I would say on the 
small end of a medium sized 

877
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,600
apartment. 
Is that about right? 

878
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,240
Yeah. 
And and we were top heavy too, 

879
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,800
so. 
And that's something. 

880
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,600
And California say that ain't 
so. 

881
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Yeah. 
And so for those that don't know

882
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,200
what I mean by top heavy is we 
had a lot of supervision and the

883
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,520
ratios were off supervision to 
to patrol. 

884
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,680
We could have actually, you 
know, done we we didn't need 

885
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,320
some of the leadership 
positions. 

886
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,120
We had great people, some of 
them, but you could have 

887
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
employed two or three cops per 
one of those positions. 

888
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Yeah. 
Well, I think we're seeing that 

889
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,640
in a lot of places that are sort
of left-leaning, whether it be 

890
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,800
in administration for education,
whether it be for, you know, you

891
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,840
think about why your Social 
Security is not making money or 

892
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600
why it's not so effective. 
It's because you've got a huge 

893
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,520
agency out there just basically 
moving a, a flat dollar amount 

894
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,120
and algorithm that should be 
pretty straightforward. 

895
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,720
And law enforcement's no 
different. 

896
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,080
There's a, some of it's a jobs 
program and some of it is doing 

897
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,360
the work that you were talking 
about doing. 

898
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,960
So I think everybody kind of 
knows that when you're in there 

899
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,920
long enough, it doesn't matter 
what government agency, whether 

900
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,840
it's local, state or federal, 
they all have a lot of bloat and

901
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,560
waste and, and they argue on 
behalf of themselves. 

902
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,520
Did you guys have a fitness 
standard out of curiosity? 

903
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Yes, we did. 
Was that so? 

904
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,920
Was that for admin and for not 
for admin? 

905
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,280
I mean, was that for a command 
staff too? 

906
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,800
Or is it just for guys on the on
the bricks? 

907
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,920
You know, I don't remember if 
our command staff had it. 

908
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,800
You could tell by looking at 
them usually. 

909
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,920
So, well, the majority of our 
command staff, it was. 

910
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,760
So our, our, our agency was a 
knuckle dragging agency. 

911
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,040
OK, so you know, we had a few 
sloppies, but the majority of 

912
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,600
the people at our department 
were pretty fit. 

913
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,080
Like it, it was, it was a 
department with a reputation, 

914
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,200
you know, So it was, I'll, I'll 
leave it at that. 

915
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,680
You know, we used to have the 
running joke that, you know, 

916
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,560
when the gang members are in a 
pursuit, you know, they'll go 

917
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,240
from Palm Desert to the freeway,
go around Cathedral City and 

918
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,120
then go back into Palm Springs, 
You know, because, you know, 

919
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,280
Cathedral City, the officers 
there, it's like, you know, 

920
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,560
we're going to protect the 
community. 

921
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,480
There's something to be said 
about having that kind of 

922
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,600
reputation. 
All right, I'm going to show you

923
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,040
a wild story because I got into 
this, this weird little, I don't

924
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,480
know, just rabbit hole. 
So when I was suspended and then

925
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,600
I came back, I had six weeks of 
not working on anything, right? 

926
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,560
And one of the things that I did
was like, what the heck am I 

927
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,360
doing here? 
They told me to go to Hidalgo 

928
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,200
County, which is just the boot 
heel of New Mexico. 

929
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,040
It's it's far on. 
It's right on the edge of 

930
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Arizona and Mexico. 
Basically. 

931
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,160
That's the corner that it fills 
in. 

932
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,040
OK, So it's not, it's not 
awesome. 

933
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,280
A lot of open land, I think 3300
square miles, something like the

934
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,680
population of 3000 people. 
So very, very small, 1 little 

935
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,680
tiny city. 
And so I started digging in the 

936
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,920
history of it because what the 
heck, right? 

937
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,520
I'm just waiting to go drive out
there and I want to know what 

938
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,120
the heck I'm driving into. 
And I, I came across this thing 

939
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,680
called the top 10 most dangerous
lawman of the Old West, like the

940
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,160
unknowns, right? 
Everybody's heard of Wyatt Earp,

941
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
everyone's heard of Doc Holiday,
everyone's heard the big names 

942
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,000
from all the movies. 
There's a guy named Dangerous 

943
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,240
Dan Tucker, whose name might not
have actually been Dan, but 

944
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,480
that's what he picked up. 
Apparently he was born in 

945
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,160
Canada. 
I almost said Canadia because I 

946
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,840
do that sometimes as a joke and 
now it's stuck in my head. 

947
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,720
So the guy was born in Canada, 
moved to Denver, got in like a 

948
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,880
knife fight or a bar fight or 
something and killed a guy and 

949
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,440
then ran at like 2021 years old,
ends up in Hidalgo County in 

950
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,800
Silver City, which used to be 
like a mining city, as you can 

951
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,960
imagine, right? 
And, and I'm going somewhere 

952
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,320
with this. 
So there's actually a point to 

953
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,280
this. 
But apparently he became one of 

954
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,000
the deadliest lawmen in the 
history of the Old West. 

955
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,560
Like his first shooting happened
very similar to what you're 

956
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,960
talking about. 
First couple days on patrol, 

957
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,600
he's literally walking down the 
street. 

958
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,280
There were a lot of like people 
that would come up from Mexico. 

959
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,600
So legitimate Mexican citizens 
that were up there because the 

960
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,920
border wasn't a thing. 
And so anyway, they got into it 

961
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,200
and they would get drunk in the 
salons and pick fights with each

962
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,320
other and bring beef from 
somewhere else. 

963
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960
And anyway, so some guy 
basically invisorated another 

964
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,480
guy, got it in with a knife and 
then got into this thing, 

965
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,480
stepped down to the street and 
there's dangerous dance. 

966
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,280
Sure enough. 
And apparently the sheriff's son

967
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,200
was standing right next to him 
like a nine year old, because 

968
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,320
this is all part of the legend, 
right? 

969
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,000
And he draws down and shoots the
guy 50 yards in the dark right 

970
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,360
through the neck. 
Told him first guy he's got 

971
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,560
killed and he does it again like
6 months later. 

972
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,200
Some guy throws a bunch of like 
boulders. 

973
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,520
I don't know, he had like a bag 
of rocks or something or bricks.

974
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,200
And he's throwing them out of 
the the top window of a saloon 

975
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
from the second story into the 
street and he's throwing them at

976
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,360
the passersby. 
So dangerous Dan shoots him out 

977
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,760
of the window and kills him. 
He just like he starts getting 

978
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,160
into all these wild gunfights. 
People can go look up dangerous 

979
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,320
Dan Tucker. 
It's one of the great like weird

980
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,400
things that I've stumbled upon 
in my reading from the state of 

981
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,720
New Mexico. 
But he was notorious for causing

982
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,400
piece to break out wherever he 
went because he just killed 

983
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,280
people. 
I mean, he and like they said 

984
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
something like 21 kills on duty 
and that didn't count the time 

985
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,920
that he rode for the for Wells 
Fargo. 

986
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,840
And, you know, Diddle got on the
stagecoaches 'cause he was 

987
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,640
riding stagecoaches too. 
And those guys didn't even tell 

988
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,200
anybody. 
They would just blast somebody 

989
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,600
on the side of the mountain and 
leave them there. 

990
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,880
So anyway, long and short of it 
is the rumor goes that in the 

991
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,280
desert as the as Doc Holiday and
Wyatt Earp, we're leaving the OK

992
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Corral. 
Now we got 2 two touch points 

993
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,640
because you mentioned your OK 
Corral scenario as those guys 

994
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,520
were leaving and they were 
heading east. 

995
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:08,040
They apparently dodged all of 
Hidalgo County to stay out of 

996
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,000
the territory. 
A dangerous Dan because he had a

997
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,680
reputation for settling problems
and you didn't want to be on the

998
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,440
wrong side of this guy. 
And it's I think it's funny that

999
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,640
it doesn't matter how far back 
you go because they didn't have,

1000
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,880
you know, GPS. 
They didn't have like really 

1001
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,040
great maps. 
Even this is all line of sight 

1002
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,600
stuff. 
This is just guys like you word 

1003
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,960
of mouth, but you know, certain 
areas and certain lawmen have 

1004
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,480
reputation that goes to the to 
the wrong side and to the right 

1005
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,520
side. 
And if you're on the wrong side 

1006
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040
of the law, you know, like, hey,
maybe maybe this is not the 

1007
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,680
place to go have that last 
stand. 

1008
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,520
And it's funny that there's a 
little tiny place that no one's 

1009
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,240
ever heard of called Cathedral 
City that has that wrap on the 

1010
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,040
either side of two bigger areas 
Because, you know, word gets 

1011
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,360
around. 
People know when not to screw 

1012
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,400
around and where where they can 
and where they can't get away 

1013
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,840
with it, which is probably why 
our country has so many weird 

1014
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,040
problems like we do today. 
There's a lot of places where 

1015
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,360
you can screw around and get 
away with it right it. 

1016
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,840
It was an important reputation 
and you know, in FTL they told 

1017
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,760
us, you know, don't be the 
generation that ruins that 

1018
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,840
reputation because that 
reputation keeps you out of 

1019
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,400
fights. 
You know that the the reputation

1020
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,440
itself, you know, creates a a 
mutual respect to be like, oh, 

1021
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,000
wait, we're going to play by the
rules tonight. 

1022
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,680
So it was important. 
You know, we had the same 

1023
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,760
Sergeant Ed Cologne. 
This was the thing he told you. 

1024
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,520
He goes, you ask, you tell, you 
make. 

1025
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Yeah. 
And either one of those requires

1026
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,080
of repeating yourself 10 times. 
What do you Yeah, What do you 

1027
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,240
think? 
Because there's a lot of videos,

1028
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,000
a lot of body Cam footage out. 
There's a lot of security Cam 

1029
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,040
footage where you see people and
they're just telling somebody 

1030
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,000
over and over and over again, 
you know, drop the knife, drop 

1031
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,680
the knife or put it down, all 
this kind of thing. 

1032
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,000
Not the way I was trained, but I
think the way that most people 

1033
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:42,040
are are built is that they are 
not ready to engage in the next 

1034
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,400
step of violence and escalation.
How did you guys deal with that 

1035
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,000
in training to be able to just 
know that like ask, tell, make 

1036
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,720
like, like you're like you're 
actually taught anything that 

1037
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,800
you had to overcome that? 
It was, I didn't struggle with 

1038
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,600
it too much and it was, it was 
probably because we were trained

1039
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,680
right. 
It's like you ask and then it 

1040
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,120
was like, it wasn't just like, 
or you ask him now you tell him 

1041
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,320
it was like you ask and then we 
were very good in our scenario 

1042
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,280
training. 
So you got to ask in these 

1043
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,560
scenarios and saw what an 
uncooperative person look like, 

1044
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,240
whether it was passive, whether 
it was aggressive, you know, 

1045
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,400
different types of the people 
you were dealing with. 

1046
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,480
And so once you got through to 
that, all right, I've asked 

1047
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,760
them, they're not doing it. 
Why am I going to keep asking? 

1048
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,560
It was your brain was already in
the process of OK, now I'm going

1049
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,360
to tell them, you know, and how 
am I going to tell them the same

1050
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,640
scenario if I'm dealing with 
someone who's passive or 

1051
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,440
regressive or, you know, 
something else. 

1052
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,160
And then it got to the point 
where now you're going to 

1053
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,960
establish, all right, now I'm 
going to make them, you know, do

1054
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,080
I have backup with me? 
Do I need to call backup? 

1055
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,360
What's my surrounding look like?
Is it even worth it based on the

1056
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,000
surrounding that I have going 
right now? 

1057
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Or do I have enough information,
somebody I know a vehicle and 

1058
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,520
address to where? 
All right, I'm going to let this

1059
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,880
guy, he's going to get away with
this one. 

1060
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,880
We're going to do the warrant 
because the risk to the public 

1061
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,000
is just not worth it here, you 
know, and obviously this. 

1062
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,560
Is all experience. 
This is all like a lot of a lot 

1063
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,680
of time and calculus that gets 
done in a few seconds. 

1064
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,160
Basically, you're making those 
decisions. 

1065
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,160
Yeah. 
And and that's why I always tell

1066
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,720
people you can have someone say,
you know what, I worked for 20 

1067
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,000
years. 
Years of service don't always 

1068
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,640
represent experience. 
You know, you, you can have 

1069
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,840
someone that has three years on 
the job but is working like, you

1070
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,520
know, the dark side of Compton 
and that three years on the job 

1071
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,400
is equivalent to like 7 or 14 
years somewhere else. 

1072
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,600
So. 
Like we saw that that woman who 

1073
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,240
went and, and yelled Taser, 
Taser and ended up shooting the 

1074
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,800
guy and you know, female, she's 
a training age or a training 

1075
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,840
officer at that point and she's 
got 20 years on the force. 

1076
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
But at the same time, it's like,
were those 20 years the same as 

1077
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,680
as somebody who was doing a lot 
of reps and getting a lot of 

1078
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,840
kinetic hits and, and making a 
lot of hard decisions every 

1079
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,320
single day so that they, when 
they're put to the decision for 

1080
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,440
their chips, they make the right
one? 

1081
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,320
Yeah, we, we were very lucky. 
You know, our, our, our training

1082
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,120
staff, they were on point. 
You know, we put that, you know,

1083
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,040
it was a lead pipe that would go
around your arm. 

1084
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,160
Aren't your arm's out of the 
fight. 

1085
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,160
How you going to reload? 
How you going to shoot, you 

1086
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,200
know, so learning different ways
to to do that. 

1087
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
You know, we, we shot from 
inside vehicles, you know, in, 

1088
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,840
in these training scenarios. 
So you know, Hey, what's it 

1089
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,240
sound like when you're clanking 
metal? 

1090
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,040
You know, what's it, what's it 
feel like? 

1091
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,880
When when that mechanical offset
is not right and you're putting 

1092
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
it into your dashboard or put it
into your door instead of going 

1093
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,880
through the open hole, right 
because you're just trying to 

1094
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,200
find a small spot a. 100% It's 
one thing to shoot silicone, 

1095
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,480
it's one thing to shoot paper, 
it's another thing to shoot a 

1096
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,880
target that's in a driver's seat
and you're shooting through a 

1097
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160
van. 
Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's

1098
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,520
a lot different. 
So our, our training, I'll give 

1099
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,240
it to them, man. 
They were. 

1100
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,160
They were dialed in for that. 
Was that stuff that was before 

1101
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,280
Will Petty was doing his vehicle
dynamics or whatever he calls 

1102
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,400
his thing, Is that correct? 
Like this was something that 

1103
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,320
they had come up with on their 
own. 

1104
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,480
I'm not familiar with him. 
So yeah, Will Petty, I think he 

1105
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,400
was a Dallas cop. 
So folks, some folks don't know 

1106
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,440
he, I think he's with centrifuge
training, but he does something 

1107
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,040
where he lets anybody come in 
and it comes from law 

1108
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,880
enforcement experience because I
think they say something like 

1109
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,440
80% of your shootings are around
a vehicle. 

1110
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,000
So I know the, I know the Bureau
picked up, sent guys to his 

1111
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,560
school to figure out what he was
all about and then came back and

1112
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,640
did it. 
I, I did it 2 times at least. 

1113
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,040
They call it vehicle dynamics or
a vehicle CQB, that kind of 

1114
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,080
thing. 
But yeah, if you haven't shot 

1115
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,080
through a windshield and watched
the glass come back at you and 

1116
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,120
learn that your first couple 
rounds aren't going to hit what 

1117
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,960
you think they are. 
And if you haven't seen somebody

1118
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,680
like stitch up the front of 
their hood because they're 

1119
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,920
trying to shoot, but their optic
is high and their barrel is low 

1120
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,840
on a rifle and they're just 
sending it into the, into the, 

1121
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,040
the, the steel there and it's 
not going anywhere and just 

1122
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,280
ripping through the middle of 
the engine. 

1123
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,760
Different animal. 
Totally different animal than 

1124
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,680
than engaging paper targets on a
flat range which most people 

1125
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,680
stop with. 
And then, you know, like, like 

1126
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,400
you and and so many other people
that took the job serious my 

1127
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,240
entire my entire shift. 
I'm running scenarios, man. 

1128
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,760
You know that I'm going to go 
grab something quick to eat out 

1129
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,280
of Panda Subway or you know I'm 
going to go refuel at one of our

1130
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,800
refueling centers. 
You know it. 

1131
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,480
It was always scenarios, man. 
Always scenarios 24/7. 

1132
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,880
Before we get into, I want to, I
want to do your certificates 

1133
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,640
because I know you had a lot of 
certifications that that sort of

1134
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,120
led to some of the additional 
credibility. 

1135
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,960
I just want people to have a 
really good sense of what kind 

1136
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,600
of person you are before this, 
before we get into the the meat 

1137
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,840
and potatoes of how awful this 
kind of scenario is. 

1138
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,040
That's where I may have my blood
boil. 

1139
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,800
So this is detoxing for me. 
One of the things we used to 

1140
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,840
play with that we would always 
tape tennis balls. 

1141
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,160
People can do this, by the way, 
if you're if you're a shooter, 

1142
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,680
like many people are probably 
that. 

1143
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,520
Listen to this podcast, you 
know, get a tennis ball, get 

1144
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,520
some duct tape, wrap it a couple
times. 

1145
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Take your your good hand out of 
the fight. 

1146
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,240
Take your bad hand out of the 
fight. 

1147
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,400
Figure out what you can do with 
the stump if you got shot. 

1148
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,040
That's not that's no longer 
operable. 

1149
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,080
Doesn't mean that you don't have
an arm. 

1150
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,720
Doesn't mean you don't have 
things that can hold stuff like 

1151
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,400
your elbows. 
But figure out what it is. 

1152
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,600
We used to do those and take 
something out The lead pipe is 

1153
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,200
not what I've heard before, but 
that sounds awful. 

1154
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,680
Yeah. 
Just having something that takes

1155
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,720
that hand out of the fight is 
good. 

1156
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,960
You mentioned something about 
when you when you stop, the 

1157
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,840
first thing you did was you had 
your windows down so you could 

1158
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,640
listen. 
Was that something you always 

1159
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,800
did, or was that just because 
the night was nice and it just 

1160
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,920
happened to be the right moment?
99% of the time, if I'm not on 

1161
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,360
the freeway, my windows were 
down. 

1162
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,320
And, and that was just, if you 
can't hear it, you don't know 

1163
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,320
what's coming. 
That's right. 

1164
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,120
You know, So it was especially 
at night, you know, we had kill 

1165
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,720
switches on our vehicles. 
So you hit that even when you're

1166
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:58,920
breaking, no one sees your 
lights. 

1167
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,000
And it allows us to, you know, 
creep up on the bad guys. 

1168
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,440
Well, you got to hear it and 
you'll you'll hear it before you

1169
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,800
see it most of the time. 
Yeah. 

1170
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,160
You ever had anybody, you know, 
you hear a scuffle that 

1171
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,240
someone's walking on the street 
behind you and they're way 

1172
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:10,440
further back than you thought 
they were. 

1173
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,160
But you're like you're, you're 
just sure that they're right 

1174
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,240
there on your quarter panel. 
And and you had that, just that 

1175
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,000
extra little second to prepare 
yourself for probably nothing, 

1176
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,880
but you never know. 
How I got that pucker factor a 

1177
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,200
couple times when something seem
a lot closer than it was. 

1178
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,160
So yeah, I'm talking about. 
It's, it's useful folks, if 

1179
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,920
you're not running like even 
your, your passenger windows, 

1180
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480
the ones that are behind you, if
you're in a four wheel, 4 door 

1181
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,080
vehicle, I used to run the 
minivan on surveillance a lot. 

1182
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,200
And what I was 1 inch will be 
the difference between you 

1183
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,000
knowing that something is there 
and not at all. 

1184
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,560
And you can still be cold 
outside. 

1185
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,760
You can roll that thing and you 
just have incredible situation 

1186
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,760
awareness compared to the person
who's got the windows up. 

1187
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,360
So if you're out there and 
you're looking. 

1188
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,400
And I always try to give people 
tips on how to not be a victim 

1189
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,520
#1 and how to just be aware of 
your surroundings because you 

1190
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,560
know, it's an asymmetric world. 
Like there's all kinds of things

1191
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,040
that are out there. 
You don't know what's happening 

1192
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,360
all the time. 
So the more you can give 

1193
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,760
yourself that advantage, that 
one extra second to prepare. 

1194
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,480
I'll tell you a funny story. 
I was down in Phoenix. 

1195
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,600
I was going down to go tape 
Jesse Waters of all the dumb 

1196
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,360
things in the world. 
So I'm driving down to go to a 

1197
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,640
Fox interview. 
And I don't like cities. 

1198
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,240
As you can probably, you know, 
the minute that you've been in 

1199
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,000
law enforcement and you've seen 
what happens when a lot of 

1200
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,440
people get together, like some 
of those people suck, right? 

1201
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,240
They're just always going to be 
some of those people. 

1202
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,440
So I'm driving, I'm stopped at a
light. 

1203
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,440
This dude drives past me in the 
left lane. 

1204
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,440
He's going to go make a turn. 
I think he's going to make a 

1205
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,120
left hand turn at the light. 
All sudden his reverse lights 

1206
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,360
kick on. 
And man, I, I was out of the 

1207
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,480
holster before the, before the 
car even got to my, to my, my 

1208
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,080
headlights, you know, and he's 
crawling back and he was just 

1209
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,200
turning into the gas station. 
It wasn't anything. 

1210
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,880
It's just one of those moments 
where you know whether or not 

1211
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,160
you're paying attention or not 
and what your reaction is. 

1212
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,160
And my reaction is defense 100% 
because that minivan usually has

1213
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,320
my kids in it. 
So it's like, man, if I got to 

1214
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,360
shoot through the glass, so be 
it. 

1215
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,440
I can buy another glass. 
I can't buy another kid and I 

1216
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,120
can't buy another me So. 
That's a good one, man. 

1217
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,960
I, I had a suspect reverse his 
car into me one time. 

1218
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,280
You know, he was, I stopped him 
and it was the guy we're looking

1219
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,000
for and he tried to get my 
airbags to deploy. 

1220
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,440
Thank God they didn't, right? 
But he, it dazed me, man. 

1221
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,080
And I I just remember being 
dazed. 

1222
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,040
That's that OODA loop. 
If they can, if they can get 

1223
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,440
inside of your decision making 
process, they can throw you off.

1224
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,080
And your goal is always to stay 
ahead of theirs. 

1225
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,160
So people do things you don't 
expect if you don't expect it. 

1226
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,840
That's why those scenarios are 
so important. 

1227
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,400
Yeah, he, he hit it. 
And like I said, I just remember

1228
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,040
seeing the driver door open. 
He steps out. 

1229
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,760
So yeah, I, I broke leather real
quick and it turned into a 

1230
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,720
nothing burger. 
But man, it's your your heart 

1231
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,560
rate jumps really quick. 
Yeah, it gives you a good 

1232
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,360
chance. 
All right, walk me through some 

1233
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,960
of the professional 
certifications you had in law 

1234
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,400
enforcement 'cause we're going 
to get into who who exactly it 

1235
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,640
was that the FBI decided to come
into the House of and I want you

1236
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,040
to kind of establish some of 
those more professional 

1237
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,520
credentials. 
I know you spend a lot of time 

1238
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,080
working on it. 
You took your job seriously. 

1239
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,360
People got the the war stories 
are always fun. 

1240
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,160
I think people like listening to
this podcast 'cause we get to 

1241
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,160
just kind of bro out a little 
bit with a like minded people 

1242
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,640
and that's always good. 
Just listening to the shop talk,

1243
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,880
but moreover, you know, what 
were the professional 

1244
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,880
credentials that you brought to 
the job before you were removed?

1245
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,120
You had 14 years to build them 
up. 

1246
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,440
So just run me through them if 
you would. 

1247
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Yeah, I mean, the reason I'll 
have the credentials I'm going 

1248
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,080
to talk about right now is just 
because of what the job meant to

1249
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,360
me, not just because it was a 
lifelong dream. 

1250
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:16,520
But there's a computer community
and and they trust you and they 

1251
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,400
don't trust you to make a rest. 
They trust you to put people 

1252
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,760
away. 
You know, an arrest is easy, 

1253
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,720
but, you know, making sure you 
dial in the paper so there's 

1254
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,840
actually a conviction is what 
becomes more important. 

1255
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,840
And you're not going to get that
unless you study, you ask 

1256
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,480
questions and and you hone in 
your skills. 

1257
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,640
And that led to me getting a lot
of accolades. 

1258
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,480
So ended up getting the Medal of
Valor in 2012, which is the 

1259
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,200
highest award for us in law 
enforcement. 

1260
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,800
I have congressional awards from
the Senate. 

1261
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,200
That's the United States Senate 
or the California Senate. 

1262
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,600
The United States Senate and the
California Senate. 

1263
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:57,240
So from both I have two, two 
police chief awards. 

1264
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,800
I have detective of the year, 
investigator of the year, police

1265
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,240
officer of the year. 
I have an award from the FBI. 

1266
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,040
Yeah, I saw this thing that 
somebody was accusing me of 

1267
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,160
being a fed the other day and 
then you said yeah, he, I heard 

1268
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,000
he got an award from comedy. 
What was the circumstances that 

1269
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,960
you were awarded that? 
So it was how they were doing an

1270
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,360
investigation how to do a child 
crimes. 

1271
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,400
We had information to help them 
out with. 

1272
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,720
So we shared some of that 
information. 

1273
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,360
Ultimately it led to a good 
arrest and there was a few of us

1274
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,400
that were involved in in getting
receiving that award. 

1275
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,480
And I want to say that was in 
20/13/2014. 

1276
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,480
That's what it I think that's 
what your tweet said, something 

1277
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,440
like that. 14 Did you meet the 
Did you meet the man? 

1278
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,720
No, no, no, just just got the 
actually it's behind the green 

1279
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,720
screen hanging up on the wall 
that has a signature. 

1280
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,040
So I was just like, well, 
probably the award, maybe not 

1281
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,160
the name, that's on it. 
You know what it's about. 

1282
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,320
Yeah. 
It's all about the work that he 

1283
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,080
did. 
It doesn't mean that guy was a 

1284
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,640
terrible human being for every 
minute of his life. 

1285
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:55,960
It doesn't mean he didn't make 
good decisions. 

1286
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,360
Just mean that the one that that
mattered where, you know, maybe 

1287
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,240
betrayed some of the American 
people's trust just. 

1288
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:07,840
A little bit, just a little bit 
teeny bit, you know, had got 

1289
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,680
some individual awards, you 
know, for some of the 

1290
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,160
investigations into the one 
percenters did a large scale 

1291
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,040
investigation that got me a 
chief's award that involved 

1292
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,720
three different counties, 
multiple SWAT teams, most 

1293
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:23,080
multiple federal agencies and 
was getting ready to actually 

1294
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,400
testify in a federal court as a 
court expert for gangs before 

1295
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,920
everything kind of came to a 
crashing in right in there. 

1296
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
So it was, I would say that's 
the majority of them right 

1297
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,000
there. 
And you had so you were like 

1298
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,560
expert witness level testimony 
on on gangs. 

1299
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,000
Was there a certification you 
had that that allowed you to do 

1300
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,280
that, or was that just time and 
grade and experience? 

1301
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,960
No, no, the court, actually, the
court down here has to finally 

1302
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,160
do the certification. 
So, you know, once the DA gets 

1303
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,440
to a level of confidence you 
have and, you know, certain 

1304
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,640
reports, certain convictions, 
the DA will request the judge to

1305
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,440
appoint you as a court expert. 
And of course the other side has

1306
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,360
the ability to the challenge it.
You got to pass all the, you 

1307
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,640
know, the questions and stuff 
they ask. 

1308
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,040
And ultimately the judges say, 
OK, you know, you're recognized 

1309
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,520
as a court expert, which is 
funny because even after I 

1310
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,320
wasn't working for them anymore,
I'm still getting calls from LA 

1311
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Clear and all these different, 
hey, you know, we're looking at 

1312
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,000
this and I'm just like, you 
know, you mind if we go and, you

1313
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,800
know, look into this guy? 
I'm like, yeah, it's, it's not 

1314
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,400
on my plate right now. 
That's. 

1315
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,680
That is not the that is not the 
game you're playing. 

1316
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,200
How many years were you on SWAT?
Oh. 

1317
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,040
I never made it to SWAT. 
OK. 

1318
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,440
Did you guys have a team that 
was like a full Time Team or was

1319
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,080
it just a no? 
It was, it was a, it was a 

1320
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,640
collateral duty. 
So, and since I was able to get 

1321
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,480
onto the Kajala Valley Game Task
Force, that was actually our 

1322
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,920
version of SWAT on the gangs 
because, you know, and this is 

1323
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,720
where, you know, you flex each 
other's feathers back and forth 

1324
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,120
for sure in our SWAT guys. 
And it's not their fault, you 

1325
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,160
know, because all those are are 
some awesome guys. 

1326
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,520
But it's a day and age where 
it's the surrounding call out. 

1327
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,960
You know, the only ones that 
were kicking in doors was the 

1328
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,840
gang task force, you know. 
So what? 

1329
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,240
So when you brought up having 
the bean point man or being the 

1330
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,120
one with the ram, I know exactly
what that's like. 

1331
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,080
Yeah. 
Somebody's got to breach. 

1332
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,080
Some more stories, yeah, 
someone's got to breach and 

1333
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,240
there's something to be said if 
you're that first guy or the 

1334
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:16,600
second guy because. 
Yeah, the second guy might get, 

1335
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,040
might catch more flak than the 
first guy because the first guy 

1336
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,280
opens up their their eyes to 
what's happening. 

1337
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,360
The second guy may be the one 
who's stuck in that door. 

1338
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,840
So. 
So you had a more kinetic team 

1339
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,920
than than the surrender call 
out, which is. 

1340
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,760
That makes sense. 
We had a very, very kinetic 

1341
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,520
team, which was, which was fun. 
You know, it was a fun thing to 

1342
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,560
be a part of. 
Yeah, I mean, that's, and that's

1343
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,480
The funny thing. 
Like guys who want to do that 

1344
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,880
kind of job, want to do that 
kind of job. 

1345
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,360
They don't want to ride a desk. 
They won't, you know, you want 

1346
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,720
to be on the street, you want to
be seeing the bad guys, You want

1347
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,680
to run it down just like your 
first day off fto you like your 

1348
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,840
instinct. 
It's like, go put me where I 

1349
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,160
need to be. 
That's, that's kind of the thing

1350
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,160
that we all signed up to do, 
whether it's sheepdog mentality 

1351
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,360
or whatever you want to call it,
that drive to go and do that, 

1352
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,760
that, that job that other people
cannot and should not probably. 

1353
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,240
For me, Kyle is it was, I guess 
if you had to boil down, why did

1354
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,920
I want to do what I did, it was 
anti bullying. 

1355
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,640
I just have never liked 
bullying, but not in the terms 

1356
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,240
of what the people see it in 
school. 

1357
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,160
For me, it's just I don't like 
people out there that take 

1358
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,080
advantage of other people just 
because they know they can do it

1359
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,880
and the people won't stand up 
for themselves or they're 

1360
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,080
scared. 
And you know, that's the way I 

1361
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,720
saw gangs. 
That's the way I saw criminals, 

1362
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,200
man. 
And and that's where my 

1363
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,280
motivation came from. 
That's really easy, right? 

1364
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,680
It's what is my, my buddy Steve 
Fran says. 

1365
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,920
It's not easy. 
It's simple. 

1366
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,040
Yeah, right. 
But I feel, I feel exactly the 

1367
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,960
same way. 
He's a bad ass. 

1368
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,680
He's a good dude, right? 
I'm glad I I'm glad you got to 

1369
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,320
go. 
So if you haven't checked out 

1370
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,600
Alpha's show, by all means, 
check out Alpha Warrior. 

1371
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,520
And he recently interviewed our 
buddy who shows up on our not 

1372
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,400
only did he show up on our show 
a whole bunch, but he also got 

1373
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,480
grilled about it in front of 
Congress, which is very funny. 

1374
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,920
They asked him how much money I 
paid him to be on my show, which

1375
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,560
is, which is my favorite. 
Just complete lack of 

1376
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,400
understanding of what's 
happening in the world around 

1377
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,440
these people. 
All right, so let's move forward

1378
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,960
until I guess we're going to get
to the end of 2020 contentious 

1379
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,280
election, right? 
And and you had a Twitter 

1380
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,800
presence while you how big was 
your Twitter account that you 

1381
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,360
were? 
I had an insignificant digital 

1382
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,160
footprint. 
Actually all my fighting was on 

1383
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Instagram. 
That's that's where I posted all

1384
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,800
my information. 
Not a decent one, probably like 

1385
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,400
2 or 3000, which is nothing in 
the scheme of you know who. 

1386
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,120
No I have 1000 people following 
me on Instagram and I have 4 

1387
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,880
posts total I've I've never even
on Instagram I don't even know 

1388
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,960
who it is. 
I think probably half of them 

1389
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,760
are like only fans girls or 
something that just need to get 

1390
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,320
that are trying to get followers
or they're feds that are 

1391
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,800
pretending to be only fans 
girls, whatever it is. 

1392
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,520
But yeah, so OK, so you had a 
couple thousand following you on

1393
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,960
Instagram. 
You got almost nothing on 

1394
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,680
Twitter. 
You got 17,000 people following 

1395
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,600
you right now. 
So tell people your handle. 

1396
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,240
So we'll, we'll, we'll do it a 
couple times, but. 

1397
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,560
Yeah, so my main main handle is 
on Twitter. 

1398
00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,720
It's X Alpha Warrior X the 
backup account is Alpha Warrior 

1399
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,600
Inc Inc and that only exists 
because ultimate end up in the 

1400
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,000
platform by Twitter. 
But yeah, so IGD platforms me. 

1401
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,800
So I'm just like, man, you know,
we're, we're moving on 

1402
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,440
elections. 
Like I need to stay in this 

1403
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,480
fight. 
So I'm like, why have my Twitter

1404
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,840
account let me go to that thing 
I've had? 

1405
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,160
What was motivating you, by the 
way, Because I always stayed 

1406
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,080
away from social media, I 
figured like that was the first 

1407
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,560
way to, to lose my job. 
I, I never thought that somebody

1408
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,040
would kick in my door over it. 
But you know, there's, there's 

1409
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,680
an instinct. 
There's two types of I think 

1410
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,440
local law enforcement has a lot 
more leeway. 

1411
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,120
I think feds knowing what our 
background check and our our 

1412
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,880
security clearance, you don't 
have to worry about nearly as 

1413
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,160
much what what motivated you to 
be on social media and engage in

1414
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,680
like the information fight, 
which is really what that is. 

1415
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,760
The heartbreaking part was my 
Instagram was it was just my 

1416
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,160
personal account, you know, 
family pictures, kids, all that.

1417
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,000
And then all of a sudden we saw 
what was happening with the 

1418
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,560
elections. 
We saw fraud that, you know, at 

1419
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,160
least a strong allegation of 
fraud that was taking place. 

1420
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,760
You know, enough to question, 
enough to question. 

1421
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,320
And people were just like, well,
you know, the news is saying 

1422
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,800
this and I'm just like, the news
is lying to you. 

1423
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,600
We've never seen the the news 
lie when you're in law 

1424
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,200
enforcement, right? 
Like it always tells the truth 

1425
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,760
about what happened. 
Always, always. 

1426
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,120
It's just like, you know, don't 
you know, don't listen to them. 

1427
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,080
We are supposed to tell you 
what. 

1428
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,560
Yeah, we're the news. 
We tell you what to think. 

1429
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,040
What with Joe Scarborough's 
wife, Mika, whatever her name, 

1430
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,280
Burzynski. 
We tell people what to think. 

1431
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,680
We tell people what to think. 
That's brutal. 

1432
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,520
That's a popular video. 
But yeah, I just saw that. 

1433
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:26,520
And I was just like, you know 
what? 

1434
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,080
I at least got to give people a,
a, a different perspective, you 

1435
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,080
know, and so, you know, I 
started posting things and, you 

1436
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,320
know, got some traction, got 
invited to, you know, some DM 

1437
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,160
chats, you know, where you have 
the, have you heard of this? 

1438
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,520
Have you heard of that? 
Some of it's wild stuff. 

1439
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,560
And then some of it, you know, 
had some, had some meat to it, 

1440
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,840
you know, and so then Instagram 
takes me down. 

1441
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,520
So I'm just like, man, we're 
close to the election. 

1442
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,360
I got to stay in this. 
So I'm like, so I moved to 

1443
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,440
Twitter since I had a 
pre-existing account that is 

1444
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,160
carried from there, but I only 
had like 53500 people. 

1445
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,200
Like it was definitely maybe 600
tops was all I had so. 600 tops.

1446
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,760
You were like, right in the 
range of people that needed to 

1447
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,640
be cancelled based on what we've
been seeing in the Twitter 

1448
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,680
Files, right, 100? 
Percent Now You're the Guy 

1449
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,360
influence at 600 people. 
And you were getting Russian 

1450
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,040
money, obviously, right? 
The Russians were. 100 hundred 

1451
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:20,760
100% you know, the oligarchs 
were, you know, making sure that

1452
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,720
you know, I drive out to LA, 
stop by the laundry mat pick up 

1453
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,800
my cut like it was everything 
was on point. 

1454
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,920
You know, you know, make sure I 
go have you know, some, some 

1455
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,360
some of the special water with, 
you know, the the mob guys and. 

1456
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,000
I would shoot. 
Out I would shoot up to Northern

1457
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,600
California because I wanted to 
go get my Triad money too, like 

1458
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:40,920
you know. 
Yeah, you got to touch all the, 

1459
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,520
yeah, all the bases. 
You might as well if you're 

1460
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,560
going to go, if you're going to 
take the money from the overseas

1461
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:45,960
you. 
Got to make sure we're 

1462
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,080
controlling the West Coast, you 
know, so bad. 

1463
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,840
So, so all 600 followers and and
then were were you involved in 

1464
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,480
after the election, were you 
sending out thoughts on that 

1465
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,960
like in the lead up to January 
6th, which is where we're going 

1466
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,280
to be getting to in a second 
here? 

1467
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,040
Was there stuff you were saying?
Yeah, I was, I was leading up to

1468
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,760
the election saying, hey, look, 
you know, all hands point 

1469
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,760
towards there's going to be some
funny business here. 

1470
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,080
Like people need to pay 
attention. 

1471
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,720
You know, you had Trump putting 
out the fake news and things 

1472
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,240
like that. 
So, you know, I'd reiterate a 

1473
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,760
lot of those messages, some of 
the bigger accounts that I would

1474
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,560
felt, you know, that I was 
following, retweet their stuff. 

1475
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,840
Then we saw the election unfold.
And like everybody else, you 

1476
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,120
know, I was still watching at 
3:00 AM, you know, when you saw 

1477
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,680
the numbers jump, you know, and.
And. 

1478
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:30,960
Yeah. 
That wasn't everybody that saw 

1479
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,840
that, but there were some of us 
that were just looking going 

1480
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,880
like. 
Yeah. 

1481
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,040
Because it was a consequential 
election, one way or another. 

1482
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,560
Yeah, I I had the sandbags like 
these, but just bigger at the 

1483
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,080
time because you don't following
and tracking and all that 

1484
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,960
because I didn't just want to 
read about it. 

1485
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,560
I want to witness these things. 
I want to be able to say I saw 

1486
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,520
it, not I heard someone like I 
witnessed it And I remember 

1487
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,080
we're watching Fox and I don't 
remember the exact numbers, but 

1488
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,560
it was a significant amount. 
You know, several thousands of 

1489
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,960
votes all of a sudden just 
changed. 

1490
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,760
You know, we're taken from Trump
and they were on Biden side. 

1491
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,160
And and this will lead into one 
of the conversations I had with 

1492
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,160
the with the FBI agents when 
they were here. 

1493
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,800
But yeah, so I was posting that 
information even though, you 

1494
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,360
know, I was in a battle with my 
agency for my job. 

1495
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,880
I've never been anti badge, you 
know to to this day I backed the

1496
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,360
badge. 
They're amazing men and women 

1497
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,280
that work there. 
There's a lot of mistakes that 

1498
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,080
are happening right now, but 
there's amazing people that work

1499
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,120
there. 
I still believe that I would 

1500
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,160
still die for the badge. 
It means that much to me. 

1501
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,000
So a lot of my teeths when it 
wasn't about political stuff, it

1502
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,040
was about law enforcement in the
community. 

1503
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,560
I was in a position to where the
things you want to say on 

1504
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,440
patrol, like you said, you know,
there's certain things you want 

1505
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,000
to say, but you're bound by 
policy and you can't. 

1506
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,280
While I was in a position where 
I could talk about it, you know,

1507
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,480
I could talk about, yeah, you 
guys are complaining about 

1508
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,960
traffic stops, but here's how to
actually have a safe traffic 

1509
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,880
stop. 
Understand, This is why the cop 

1510
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,560
probably had his gun out when he
was walking up to the car. 

1511
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,080
Has nothing to do with systemic 
racism. 

1512
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,240
Has nothing to do with this. 
Chances are he doesn't even know

1513
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,600
what you look like. 
Right. 

1514
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,280
It's all about safe tactics, 
whatever the TTPS are for the 

1515
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,080
traffic stop in that area or 
based on the surroundings or 

1516
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,480
whatever, right? 
You 100%. 

1517
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:11,960
So you just, you open a little 
door. 

1518
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,960
I want to just have you walk 
through it quickly and kind of 

1519
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,720
give people the brief story. 
You got removed from your 

1520
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,600
department. 
Under what circumstances? 

1521
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,920
They said the two final things 
was it was a homicide case. 

1522
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,680
That was a total to see. 
It was that one's a shit show. 

1523
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,920
I got to say it. 
And then the other one, they 

1524
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,000
said there was a man Acps report
and I didn't take the case as a 

1525
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,000
mandated reporter. 
Now the media will go out and 

1526
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,720
say, oh, he lied on a time card 
and like they threw something 

1527
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,120
else out there what the other 
one is, but it's not true. 

1528
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Like if you once again, you can 
ask me for it, I'll e-mail it to

1529
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,440
you or you can do the, you know,
4 requests from the department. 

1530
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,800
You'll see the two things I was 
terminated for was a homicide 

1531
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,120
case. 
And then like I said, the case 

1532
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,320
is a mandated reporter was. 
The homicide case, the one that 

1533
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,280
you told me that just had 
terrible PC that they were 

1534
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,000
trying to write up. 
So no, no, that was a search 

1535
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,800
warrant one. 
This was another one, same 

1536
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,960
detective though that imagine 
that same detective on both 

1537
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,600
those cases. 
But the homicide case, it stems 

1538
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:15,360
from a case that was in 2008, 
maybe I don't remember the year,

1539
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,920
but it was an old, it was an old
homicide case. 

1540
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,200
Now it wasn't even, I don't 
think it was that old. 

1541
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,880
Maybe it was like 2012 or 2013 
around there. 

1542
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,800
But anyways, it was an older 
case and we arrested the wrong 

1543
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,880
people. 
And I was vocal about this and 

1544
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,320
detectives told the lead 
detective one, I was pissed 

1545
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,880
because I was like, you're 
calling me in three days later, 

1546
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,440
You know, when 90% of the 
homicide cases we have are going

1547
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,600
to end up being gangs, Like call
me in from day one. 

1548
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,600
And even if it turns out not to 
be gangs and you still got 

1549
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,720
another body to help you. 
And then the resources I come 

1550
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,080
with from the, you know, you 
know, GTF team. 

1551
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,840
So they end up making these 
hooks on these people. 

1552
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,880
And I'm like, look, this is not 
her and this is not him. 

1553
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,240
And you know, I argue with the 
detective, argued with the 

1554
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,080
assistant detective, argue with 
the Detective Sergeant, argue 

1555
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,560
with the detective Lieutenant. 
We're in the detective Bureau. 

1556
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,120
And at the time, the detective 
Lieutenant, me and him didn't 

1557
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,560
really see eye to eye. 
There was a, a personal thing 

1558
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,880
that had happened. 
But like I said, we didn't see 

1559
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,280
eye to eye. 
And they were like, no, you're 

1560
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,640
just, you just want to be right.
Like, of course, who doesn't 

1561
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,400
want to be right? 
This has nothing to do with 

1562
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,160
that. 
This is, you know, I know my 

1563
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,640
gang members, this dude is not a
trigger puller. 

1564
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,720
And so and it was all 
documented, right? 

1565
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,840
So couple years later while the 
female gets arrested, she goes 

1566
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,520
to county jail for about 3 or 4 
days, ends up getting released 

1567
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,400
because the judge says. 
Not her. 

1568
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,240
It's not her, right? 
So she gets released. 

1569
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,920
Couple years later we get hit 
with a large, large lawsuit. 

1570
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,800
It was actually the first 
lawsuit that I was ever even 

1571
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,680
named in. 
So that's a very uncomfortable 

1572
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,960
feeling when you get your first 
paperwork right and false arrest

1573
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,200
and all these things. 
Well, and leading into the 

1574
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,280
termination, the, the tech or 
the IA Sergeant at the time, and

1575
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,920
we're pretty decent friends, He 
pulls me into a room, one of the

1576
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,800
rooms that's not recorded. 
So you know, when you get pulled

1577
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,840
into a room that there's no 
recordings in, something's up. 

1578
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,040
And he goes, hey, look, there's 
some discipline coming down the 

1579
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,560
chain, right? 
Like this is the, the friend, 

1580
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,440
you know, the friend and I go, 
what about? 

1581
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,040
And he's like the Segovia case. 
He goes, city had to pay out 1/4

1582
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,080
of $1,000,000 on it. 
And you know, they want 

1583
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,720
someone's head and this 
detective doesn't work here no 

1584
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,319
more. 
And this detective you know is 

1585
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,319
the the goody 2 shoes so. 
Somebody's got to pay. 

1586
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:30,800
Exactly. 
And he goes, but it's going to 

1587
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,200
be light, like it's not going to
be a big deal. 

1588
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,240
It's not going to affect. 
I'm like, so I got a big mouth. 

1589
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,240
So you guys know I'm very 
professional when it needs to 

1590
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,040
be. 
But when I see I'm getting done 

1591
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,920
dirty, like I speak the Marine 
cart, the marine port comes out.

1592
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,600
But I told him I go BSI go. 
I'm not taking any disc. 

1593
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,920
I go. 
I'm the last damn person on this

1594
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,359
case that should be getting 
disciplined. 

1595
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,880
I go, I go you. 
As a matter of fact, you guys 

1596
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,880
wouldn't be getting sued if you 
listen to me. 

1597
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,040
And he goes, well, I go, I go 
let them know not only am I 

1598
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,800
going to fight back if they try 
to discipline me for this, but 

1599
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,000
you guys have Jacob Winters 
who's sitting in prison right 

1600
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,840
now on a life sentence. 
And I'm telling you guys right 

1601
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,640
now, I told you that. 
I'm telling you now, he didn't 

1602
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,479
do it. 
So make sure that goes on the 

1603
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,720
record too. 
I think that actually plays into

1604
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,960
a large part of what I was 
probably ended up being 

1605
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,080
terminated was to destroy my 
credibility in case that ever, 

1606
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,160
you know, turned into a lawsuit.
That's interesting. 

1607
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,800
And then the second one. 
And nobody's above. 

1608
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,040
But like, that's the sad thing. 
You and I know that that there's

1609
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,640
no department is above that. 
Once you start realizing that 

1610
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,120
there's a dirty politics where 
people are going to cover their 

1611
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,680
own asses so they can keep their
paycheck, make sure their 

1612
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,200
pension is what it needs to be, 
then you know, it's just you, 

1613
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:38,840
you and your family. 
Like they don't even, they don't

1614
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,279
even hang out in your house. 
They don't care. 

1615
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,800
They, they don't care, it's bad.
And this, I'm telling you this 

1616
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,120
and everybody, what I'm telling 
you guys, you don't have to take

1617
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,840
alpha's word for it. 
There's actually court 

1618
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,880
transcripts of these 
conversations because obviously 

1619
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,279
we, we went to arbitration over 
this. 

1620
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,080
And then the second thing they 
charged me for was the mandated 

1621
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,560
not taking Acps report as a 
mandated reporter, which people 

1622
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,040
didn't have to take my word for 
it like it was on body camera. 

1623
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,880
And so ultimately we go to 
arbitration and we went judge 

1624
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,240
says, hey, this guy has no, I'm,
I'll, I'll send you the letter, 

1625
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,240
he wrote. 
Man, it's. 

1626
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,920
AI remember seeing snippets of 
the last time you and I were on 

1627
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,920
for a while. 
So yeah, folks can take my word 

1628
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,560
that we've seen it, but. 
Yeah, 36 pages and I mean, I'm 

1629
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,120
not going to wrote it, I'm not 
going to wrote it better myself.

1630
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,280
But he goes, listen, the guy has
tenure, he has no credibility 

1631
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:26,960
issues. 
He has this. 

1632
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,960
He actually says this is who 
should have been investigated. 

1633
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,160
And so at the end of it, he 
orders my immediate 

1634
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,440
reinstatement back pay be made 
whole. 

1635
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,440
But we don't have binding 
arbitration. 

1636
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,000
So now we got to go to Ritz 
appeal. 

1637
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,840
Well, Ritz's appeal was 
scheduled, and This is why it's 

1638
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,280
important to everybody. 
Ritz's appeal was scheduled for 

1639
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:49,000
May of 2021. 
Something happened before we 

1640
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,080
ever got there. 
So the city already knew that I 

1641
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,280
was coming with a multi. 
I was going to sue their pants 

1642
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,200
off, and rightfully so. 
So they knew they had a major 

1643
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,880
lawsuit coming from me. 
And then all of a sudden, 

1644
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,080
January 15th of 2021 happened. 
All right. 

1645
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,760
So on January 6th, you tweet out
like a like a warning and it's a

1646
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,880
retweet. 
Is that correct? 

1647
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:12,080
Is that accurate? 
So I did I do 2 on well no, the 

1648
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,280
other one wasn't January 6th. 
So on January 6th I have it up 

1649
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,160
on my screen. 
I'll read it perbatum. 

1650
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,480
This is the main tweet that the 
FBI focused in on when they came

1651
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:23,920
to my home. 
It says will you? 

1652
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,760
This is me typing will you 
fight, bleed and maybe even die 

1653
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,520
with me as we take on the evil 
that is now stealing our nation?

1654
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,680
I'm a ring combat veteran, law 
enforcement veteran of 14 years 

1655
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,520
and my allegiance is to God, 
family and country. 

1656
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:39,680
I'm ready. 
Are you? 

1657
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,960
I'm to patriot the FF expletive 
up. 

1658
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,920
God wins. 
It's a picture of me in law 

1659
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,480
enforcement, picture of me from 
Iraq, picture of the American 

1660
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:50,680
flag, and then a picture of Mel 
Gibson from the movie The 

1661
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,760
Patriot. 
So that's the main one they 

1662
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,160
focused in on. 
Now what? 

1663
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,720
What federal crime do you think 
that might be? 

1664
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,520
Well, none, but the one that 
they're investigating is 

1665
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,360
domestic terrorism, terrorist 
threats. 

1666
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,400
And you told me that the code 
was a 266 Oscar. 

1667
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:07,600
Is that correct? 
Does that sound right? 

1668
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,600
That's the. 
That's the file number that they

1669
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,320
have on me. 
So for, for the listeners and 

1670
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:17,120
those who are watching us here 
on Rumble, a 266 Oscar is the 

1671
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,960
thing that if you've been 
following the show for a little 

1672
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,360
bit, you'll know that I keep 
telling you it's anti 

1673
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,880
government, anti authority, 
violent extremism. 

1674
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,480
That's the, that's the, the 
title. 

1675
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:27,800
It's not a criminal case. 
It's a, it's a counterterrorism 

1676
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,920
case, which means it's an 
intelligence case. 

1677
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,480
And the fun thing about that is 
that is now and Alpha, I don't 

1678
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:35,240
think you and I have talked 
since the I found this out. 

1679
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,200
That is now a required banded 
threat in every single of the 56

1680
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,520
FBI field offices for 2023. 
So whether they think they have 

1681
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,040
it or not, they got to deal with
it. 

1682
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,960
It has to be banded 1-2 or 
three. 

1683
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,440
I think there's a band 4 as 
well. 

1684
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,280
But one way or another, it'll be
in the top 4 priorities for 

1685
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,680
counterterrorism all across the 
United States. 

1686
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,160
And you know, some of us may 
know the the agave or the anti 

1687
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,920
government, anti authority 
violent extremists might be 

1688
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,360
known as things like the 
founding fathers at the 

1689
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,960
beginning of this country. 
These are the people that didn't

1690
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,600
like having the government get 
in their business. 

1691
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,880
So it's interesting that that's 
going to be the thing that the 

1692
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,840
government wants to go in and 
tell everybody to be scared of. 

1693
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,000
And they obviously started this 
case on you. 

1694
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,400
So the next tweet was the one 
that was the one they were 

1695
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:16,920
actually quote UN quote 
investigating. 

1696
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,080
Go ahead and share that if you 
want. 

1697
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,080
So, so the next two is 1 was 
dated. 

1698
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,560
It said when I tweeted, it said 
January 19th. 

1699
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,200
That's all it was. 
It was 1/19. 

1700
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,240
And so they're like, what's this
about? 

1701
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,720
What are you planning? 
I go, no. 

1702
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,080
That's the day that a lot of us 
anticipate Trump. 

1703
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,920
Trump's going to release all 
these documents that show fraud 

1704
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,280
hindsight. 
We know it didn't happen. 

1705
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,160
But you know, at the time there 
was a lot of speculation that 

1706
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,320
the day before the inauguration,
he was going to let the cat out 

1707
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,560
of the bag. 
So I told him that the next one 

1708
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,800
was a picture of the Chris Kyle 
Punisher skull. 

1709
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,640
But in the school it has the 
Roman numeral 3IN it. 

1710
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,600
And so they're so they start 
questioning me and they're like,

1711
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,800
so you know, you're with the 3% 
militia and this and this. 

1712
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,600
I'm like, I never even heard of 
the 3% militia. 

1713
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,800
Moreover, it's not a militia, 
but that doesn't stop. 

1714
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,720
I'm going to read a quick quote 
here from The Desert Sun, which 

1715
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:14,080
they this piece was from May 
23rd of 2021 and the the 

1716
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,240
detective from the Rialto Police
Department who's also a member 

1717
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,760
of the FB is JTTF. 
The Joint Terrorism Task force 

1718
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,440
out of Riverside wrote in 
declaration of this, the arrest 

1719
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,880
warrant that actually got put 
out for you that you are quote 

1720
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,080
an adherent to the Q Anon 
conspirator movement and the 

1721
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:34,200
three percenter militia group. 
So that was their evidence that 

1722
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,600
you were three percenters, that 
you put out a Chris Kyle 3% or 

1723
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,400
#3 Roman numeral. 
Now, as you probably didn't 

1724
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,520
know, because I think we 
released it just after there, 

1725
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,200
maybe not in May, May. 
It might have been in August of 

1726
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,160
that year. 
Was that 2021? 

1727
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,880
No, so 2022. 
So a year later, there was a 

1728
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,000
militia violent extremist 
document that circulated through

1729
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,440
the FBI and one of my 
whistleblowers brought it to me 

1730
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:01,160
and I, I exposed it publicly, 
but they mentioned that the, 

1731
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,400
the, the Roman numeral 3 is a 
potentially militia violent 

1732
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,640
extremist symbol. 
And the Punisher skull is a 

1733
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,520
symbol of warrior culture, which
is also a potential militia 

1734
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,520
violent extremist. 
So you could have actually had a

1735
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,080
different case on you if you'd, 
if you'd waited just a little 

1736
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,600
bit longer with this, with these
durable things. 

1737
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:22,040
Have you ever seen a, a punisher
skull on a police vehicle, on a 

1738
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,240
plate carrier, on a SWAT team 
patch? 

1739
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:25,280
Is that something you've ever 
seen? 

1740
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,720
Well, that's a great question, 
Kyle. 

1741
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,560
Softballs for you. 
And just so you know, this is 

1742
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,880
unscripted. 
You guys, they're they're me and

1743
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,760
me and Kyle are talking off the 
cuff. 

1744
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,480
So I did investigations for my 
career. 

1745
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:45,160
I had the accolades for it. 
So when they came and they chose

1746
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:48,000
to flash bang my home, they 
pulled on the they pulled on the

1747
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,360
tail of the snake because I'm 
not just a regular person. 

1748
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,360
I know the way these 
investigations are run. 

1749
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,000
I know what exculpatory is. 
I know what Brady is. 

1750
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,160
I work gangs. 
I've written the, you know, 607 

1751
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,840
hundred page reports on what it 
takes to document someone as 

1752
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,960
something. 
I know what it is to say, Hey, 

1753
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,080
this person's a gang member. 
Hey, this is a gang member 

1754
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,840
associate and hey, you know, or 
this is a hang around. 

1755
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,440
Like there's so many criterias 
in these matrix of things that I

1756
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,040
know that the regular citizen 
doesn't. 

1757
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,280
So when you go and you say that 
I'm adherent AQ Anon and A3 

1758
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,760
percenter and you're making that
statement off of 1 photo 1 and I

1759
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,800
and people even though we 
haven't seen the rest of the 

1760
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,000
warrant, people are like, well, 
if you haven't seen the rest of 

1761
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,480
the warrant, yeah, but I know 
what content I have. 

1762
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,680
That's literally and the account
still up one photo is what 

1763
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,440
you're making that judgement off
you. 

1764
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,360
There's not a well, in normal 
circumstances, there's not a 

1765
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,960
courtroom in the world that's 
going to hear that you want to 

1766
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,960
call someone, you know, adherent
to something. 

1767
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,720
You need associations, you know,
communications, you know, 

1768
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,920
photos, you know, crimes 
together, Hangouts together. 

1769
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,240
There's so much that goes into 
it, but you're going to use one 

1770
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,880
photo if that's. 
And here's the other thing. 

1771
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,960
So immediately when they left my
home, I started doing an 

1772
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,720
investigation into myself to 
defend my position. 

1773
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:12,760
So I went on police stores like 
Allie Gear calls, all the ones 

1774
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,480
that we buy stuff from, right? 
I went to different department 

1775
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:18,440
websites. 
I even went into the FB is 

1776
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,000
websites. 
And what did I find out on the 

1777
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,800
patch of the Los Angeles FBI 
SWAT team? 

1778
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,600
The same damn skull that they're
investigating me for. 

1779
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,320
So I screen grabbed everything 
and This is why I want to go to 

1780
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,600
trial. 
So when you can say, well, he's 

1781
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,280
adherent to Q Anon and Three 
Percenters because of this, and 

1782
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,080
I'll say, well then so is the 
FBI. 

1783
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,480
So is the FBI SWAT team on every
field office. 

1784
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,160
It's not just Los Angeles. 
Because if you go into 

1785
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,440
Washington Field, where I was at
for five years, you know, 

1786
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:45,840
they've got an Alpha and a Bravo
team. 

1787
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,880
And the Alpha team has the 
Punisher skull and the Bravo 

1788
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,760
team, you know, 2 guesses which 
ancient culture they've, they've

1789
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,600
picked up something from, right?
It's like they got the, they got

1790
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,600
the Spartan shield or they got 
the Spartan helmet. 

1791
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,640
This is what people do in this 
world. 

1792
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,200
They, they align themselves with
historical defenders of their 

1793
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,760
own society. 
And you know, interestingly 

1794
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,480
enough, the FBI identified, 
quote UN quote warrior culture 

1795
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:10,040
as a possible indicator of 
militia violent extremists. 

1796
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,920
It's like, well, who do you 
that's every veteran, that's 

1797
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,560
every single veteran and every 
law enforcement and and some of 

1798
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,640
the freaking guys in the in the 
fire department as well, because

1799
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,480
you got to have a certain 
mindset to go out there and be a

1800
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,680
defender when other people 
aren't going to take action. 

1801
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,720
So it's just, it's funny that 
this is their it's, it's weak. 

1802
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,280
It's it's funny and 
heartbreaking all at the same 

1803
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:29,880
time. 
That's right. 

1804
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,160
You want your first responders 
to have this warrior ethos, you 

1805
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:38,520
know, that's, you know, that 
unspoken, you know, you know, 

1806
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,760
valor that's inside of them. 
You want them to have that these

1807
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,640
people are going to go out and 
face, you know, what society 

1808
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,280
would call, you know, nightmares
and and these people are going 

1809
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,400
to go face it like you want them
to have that historic pride in 

1810
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,560
them because that's probably 
what's going to keep the guy 

1811
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,640
alive when he's been shot and 
he's bleeding out. 

1812
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,440
It's that warrior mentality 
that's like, you know, I can't 

1813
01:18:58,440 --> 01:18:59,880
let my brothers and sisters 
down. 

1814
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,960
I can't let my family down. 
And, and they want to force this

1815
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,400
soy boy culture into a place 
that it's just going to get 

1816
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,880
people hurt to include the 
community. 

1817
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,600
No 100%. 
So I, I, I got literally dozens 

1818
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,000
and dozens of photos Orange 
County Sheriff's Alley Sheriff 

1819
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,440
and and it's nothing on the 
sheriff's because they're not 

1820
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,440
doing nothing wrong 'cause. 
We don't wear it well, as I said

1821
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:22,480
when they showed, when we first 
saw this document and people are

1822
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:23,880
like, why are you so outraged? 
And I go, it's real 

1823
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,120
straightforward for me. 
I don't know a single veteran or

1824
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,760
military or law enforcement type
that doesn't either have that 

1825
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,840
that image, one of those images,
there's, you know, freaking 

1826
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,200
Betsy Ross flag, the one that's 
behind me, that's one of them. 

1827
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,400
And so I don't know a single 
veteran that doesn't either have

1828
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,220
one of those things hanging in 
their gym, wearing on their 

1829
01:19:43,220 --> 01:19:45,360
T-shirt or tattooed on their 
body. 

1830
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:47,000
Like that's those are the 
options. 

1831
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,560
Every single vet I know, 
everybody that's serious about 

1832
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,880
the service that they did, 
everybody that has that ethos 

1833
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,440
that we talk about like they 
show it because it reminds them.

1834
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,080
It's not because they're trying 
to be proud of it. 

1835
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,000
A lot of times I think it's 
because it's trying to remind 

1836
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,640
themself, hey, you may have to 
step into the gap. 

1837
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,520
You may have to be that guy. 
You may be the guy that's 

1838
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,200
driving in the middle of the 
night getting cigarettes thrown 

1839
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,200
at you that turn out to be 
rounds coming out of a handgun. 

1840
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,360
Like you got to be that guy and 
what are you going to do? 

1841
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,520
You have it in your head that 
like I've already committed to 

1842
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,600
this. 
I've told people who I am and I 

1843
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,360
got to live up to it. 
And that's the reason why we do 

1844
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:16,880
it. 
I think. 

1845
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,880
I think it's why people have 
that so. 100% agree with you 

1846
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,000
man. 
We were that badge so it reminds

1847
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,160
us, reminds us of our promise to
the community. 

1848
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,400
You were those other warrior 
things to remember. 

1849
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,520
This is what I said I'm about. 
I better represent. 

1850
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:34,200
It go be about it A. 100% All 
right, so there was that one. 

1851
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:38,080
And so, yeah, so those are the 
three main ones right there. 

1852
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,600
Now the interesting thing is is,
you know, they come, they do 

1853
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,480
that, you know, they raid my 
home, they show up, you know, 

1854
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:46,520
Zero, Dark 30, you know, flash 
bang, you know. 

1855
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:48,880
So here's the other. 
Yeah, you can set the table for 

1856
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,080
this all you want. 
Let let me take your time 

1857
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,400
telling the story because I know
it's a good, it's a good 

1858
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:53,840
graphic. 
I need people to kind of picture

1859
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,360
it in their head. 
So if you'll give them that 

1860
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,400
theater of the mind moment where
where you are, you know, what 

1861
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,080
your house is shaped like, all 
that kind of stuff. 

1862
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,080
And let them really feel kind of
what the what it looks like from

1863
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,120
somebody. 
Because only a few people I know

1864
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,720
had the nightmare. 
Like we've been on the other end

1865
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,040
of it, obviously where you're 
the guy, you know, banging the 

1866
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,480
door down and that's, you know, 
had his own, his own risk and 

1867
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:14,800
dangers. 
You know, that they, you got 

1868
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,440
briefed, the team got briefed on
a certain kind of background of 

1869
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:19,680
who you were, your hardened 
Marine killer, right? 

1870
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,800
So you found that stuff 
afterwards. 

1871
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,120
But as a guy sleeping in his 
bed, who's were you suspended or

1872
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:26,920
were you terminated from the 
department at that point? 

1873
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,760
We're still in the case process.
That's when we're waiting for 

1874
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:30,560
the writ. 
OK. 

1875
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,640
So you're, you're, you're going 
through all this, you know, 

1876
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,800
process and this is in the in 
January, end of January. 

1877
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,480
This is January 15th, 2021. 
OK. 

1878
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:42,680
So the termination had been made
official, but we were still in 

1879
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,400
the legal, the legal fight for 
it. 

1880
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,520
We had already won arbitration 
and that. 

1881
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,840
So on that particular day, we 
were four months, just over four

1882
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,680
months away from the writ 
appeals case and which everybody

1883
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,560
knew we would win. 
Any any instinct this was 

1884
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,800
coming. 
Zero instinct this this was 

1885
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:03,520
coming, which actually makes the
situation more dangerous. 

1886
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,480
For sure so. 100. 
Percent 'cause you don't have a 

1887
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,040
mental plan for this. 
This is not something you've 

1888
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,760
gained out already. 
That's what I that's what I want

1889
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,080
people to understand. 
You're out there. 

1890
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:12,800
We talk about the Are you 
familiar with the colors of 

1891
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,560
awareness that Jeff Cooper talks
about? 

1892
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Being like briefly, yeah. 
So just for, for folks that are 

1893
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,160
listening, I, I want you to be 
aware that we talk about 

1894
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,240
different kind of colors. 
So if you're in the white, that 

1895
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,240
means that you're a completely 
blissfully unaware, you're a 

1896
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,680
sheep and you're asleep at the 
wheel and the world is happening

1897
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,160
around you and you're none the 
wiser. 

1898
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,200
And if anything happens to you 
in the white, you probably die. 

1899
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,240
If something dangerous happens, 
the next level of awareness is 

1900
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,760
the yellow. 
That means that you're aware 

1901
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,320
that there is danger, but you 
don't think there's any 

1902
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,360
proximate danger to you. 
So that's a, you know, generally

1903
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,160
aware human being. 
Most people are in the yellow. 

1904
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,800
I hope there's a lot of people 
out there that are in the white.

1905
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,040
I guess when you move from from 
yellow to orange, that means 

1906
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,520
that you know that there is a an
imminent danger that is nearby, 

1907
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,840
but it is not confronting you 
specifically. 

1908
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,280
So you know that there's danger 
and the possibility exists. 

1909
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,680
And red means not only is there 
imminent danger, but you're 

1910
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,160
aware of it and it's targeting 
you and you're ready to respond.

1911
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,360
So you're looking for that next 
little move and you're ready to 

1912
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:02,960
react to it. 
So people, you can't live in the

1913
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,120
red all the time, but when 
you're in that like pursuit, 

1914
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,760
when you're in that going up to 
a door, you're in the red. 

1915
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,080
Like you know, there's a 
possible thing. 

1916
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,000
You're just looking for the next
trigger to move you on the next 

1917
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,680
level. 
Maybe as you're driving into the

1918
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,480
station in the morning, you're 
getting your way from yellow to 

1919
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:18,240
orange kind of thing. 
So anyway, those are kind of the

1920
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,680
areas if you're laying there in 
your bed and you have no idea 

1921
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,800
that the FBI is ready to go put 
a tactical team in your front 

1922
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,360
lawn, you're in the white in in 
like every way and you're asleep

1923
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,760
like literally and figuratively 
that this could be a 

1924
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,360
possibility. 
So there you are. 

1925
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,800
So here's the crazy part. 
I'm in the white for any 

1926
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,920
government coming after me, but 
I'm in the higher threshold of 

1927
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,280
yellow one move away from orange
because of where I live. 

1928
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,800
So I live in Cathedral City and 
it's not by choice. 

1929
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,920
This is just where I can afford 
to live. 

1930
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,920
The next option is Desert Hot 
Springs, and there's no way I'm 

1931
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,760
putting my family into freaking,
you know, Baghdad. 

1932
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,240
That's what Desert Hot Springs 
is. 

1933
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,440
So we live in this city, the 
city I used to work in. 

1934
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,760
It's not by choice, it's just 
financially this is where we're 

1935
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,520
at, right? 
Yeah. 

1936
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,840
Because obviously taking in all 
the other variables of help from

1937
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,480
family and things like that. 
So it's hard to live in the city

1938
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:11,480
we're used to work and see 
Cathedral City police cars 

1939
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:12,880
driving around when that was my 
life. 

1940
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,160
It literally tears me apart 
inside every time I see it. 

1941
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,480
But the other downside of that 
is I live in the the valley and 

1942
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:23,520
the east part of the county 
where I work and where I work 

1943
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,560
gangs. 
To this day, there are active 

1944
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,320
homicide cases in the chute that
I have guys in. 

1945
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,720
And I also did undercover work 
working gangs, you know, couple 

1946
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,440
blocks away, you know, is gang 
members from gangs I 

1947
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:41,440
investigated. 
So I've always known that if 

1948
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:45,920
these clowns find out where I 
live, you know, it's very 

1949
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,400
reasonable to believe that 
they're either a threat we made 

1950
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,840
or guess what, we get rid of 
this guy, the case disappears. 

1951
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,480
So I was in that higher yellow 
for the purposes of that. 

1952
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:02,120
So, you know, if you know, only 
a handful of times we've had 

1953
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,160
like the alarm go off or 
something, but first instinct is

1954
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,960
they found my home. 
Like that's where my mentality 

1955
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,480
shoots them. 
Like they finally found where I 

1956
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:10,440
live. 
Makes sense? 

1957
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,560
It's, you know, so I'd run to 
the backyard and what do I have?

1958
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,080
My duty pistol. 
You know, it's by the hand of 

1959
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,600
God and God alone that on this 
particular day, you know what 

1960
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,320
happens? 
We live in an old Adobe style 

1961
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:23,760
house. 
So it's kind of like the shape 

1962
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,000
of a, a you think if if people 
want a picture in their head or 

1963
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,440
a horseshoe, I think of it as a 
horseshoe, you know, with the 

1964
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:34,480
backyard being the top of the 
horseshoe and flat roof, stuff 

1965
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,840
like that. 
So we wake up and I wake up to 

1966
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,360
the sound of the house alarms 
going off and my truck alarms 

1967
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,280
going off. 
So, you know, waking up and then

1968
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,720
obviously the stuff that we've 
been or working patrol at least 

1969
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,840
I'm thinking either a drunk just
hit my truck and the truck hit 

1970
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,400
my house or one of these cronies
is trying to steal my truck. 

1971
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:54,880
You know, that's what I'm 
thinking. 

1972
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,200
Why didn't grab my firearm? 
I don't know. 

1973
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,920
It is literally the only time 
that something's happened like 

1974
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,120
that when an alarm went off and 
I didn't and I grabbed my phone 

1975
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,440
instead. 
And like I said, I think that's 

1976
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:07,080
my I think that's God that saved
me. 

1977
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,520
So I run to the alarm panel. 
I'm turning off the alarm so I 

1978
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,320
can, you know, go out there and,
you know, address the threat 

1979
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,240
and, you know, the misses start 
screaming at me. 

1980
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,160
Get away from the door. 
So our door, it's an Adobe style

1981
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,800
home. 
So the door is textured glass, 

1982
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,320
so you can't see through it, but
you can see like lighting and 

1983
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:27,080
silhouettes and it's covered 
with about a dozen red dots like

1984
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,520
you guys seen in the movies. 
As soon as I see that, my phone 

1985
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,000
rings. 
So I answer the phone and it's 

1986
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,800
dispatch is the FBI. 
We have your house surrounded. 

1987
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,040
Kids are screaming and crying. 
You know, stepdaughter's crying.

1988
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,960
So I get them in the hallway. 
I said listen, it's the police, 

1989
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,640
it's a misunderstanding. 
I'm sure it's going to be fine. 

1990
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,520
These are the good guys. 
Like you don't have to be 

1991
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,600
scared. 
So I put my Airpod on. 

1992
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,280
I tell the dispatcher, I said, 
hey, I'm coming out, phone's in 

1993
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:54,800
my pocket. 
I'm talking to you from an 

1994
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,800
Airpod. 
Nothing is in my hands. 

1995
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,760
Like you need to let these guys 
know before I step out. 

1996
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,480
Nothing's in my hands. 
So everybody knows. 

1997
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:05,120
Remember this is January 15th, 
so this is only what, 9 days 

1998
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,320
after January 6th? 
So we don't know everything we 

1999
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,080
knew we know now or even the 
months after, you know, you 

2000
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,520
know, at the time this all 
happens. 

2001
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,920
So I walk out and in my yard is 
a BearCat, you know, turret on 

2002
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:22,560
top guy mounted on the rifle on 
another more soft armored 

2003
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,800
vehicle that's behind my truck, 
some other vehicles and all 

2004
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,840
lights and guns are pointed at 
me. 

2005
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,480
And this isn't a training 
scenario. 

2006
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,400
Yeah, this is the real package. 
This, this is, this is the real 

2007
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,000
package. 
So everything's going through my

2008
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,560
head. 
Like don't sneeze and don't 

2009
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,360
trip, you know, So I go follow 
the commands. 

2010
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,440
They turn me around and I hear 
the click, click, click, the 

2011
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:49,320
handcuffs going on my hands. 
And it's the first time in my 

2012
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,880
entire life, you know, I don't 
have a criminal history that I'm

2013
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,520
having handcuffs put on me. 
And, you know, it's, it's not 

2014
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,680
training. 
Like this is real. 

2015
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,840
Like my freedom is no longer 
mine. 

2016
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,280
The upside, I think, in some 
ways, though, is that because 

2017
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,520
you had spent so much time in 
law enforcement, because you 

2018
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,880
spent time in the military doing
training exercises, like the 

2019
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,440
idea of being ordered at 
gunpoint is not, it's not going 

2020
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:13,760
to cripple you because we've 
done that, right? 

2021
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,600
I mean, we've had the blue guns 
pointed at you, the rubber 

2022
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,920
duckies where they give you 
orders, you follow back. 

2023
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,680
Like sometimes you're the guy 
who's in the red suit or 

2024
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,960
sometimes you're the guy who's 
going to be taken into custody 

2025
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,640
because that's how we train. 
We train with each other. 

2026
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,160
So this probably the only thing 
that really it's another Rep. 

2027
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,400
This one was just for real, but 
there's something about it that 

2028
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,800
probably made it less dangerous 
for you doing that then maybe 

2029
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,160
some other people who don't have
that instinct of what's going on

2030
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,120
on the other side, don't you 
think? 

2031
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,800
Yeah, but my main, my main 
concern is I just hope there's 

2032
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,000
not a rookie on this team. 
Right. 

2033
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,280
Like if everybody's comfortable 
and and competent, then this is 

2034
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,120
going to be easy. 
This is going to be fine, you 

2035
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,440
know, And as soon as the 
handcuffs go on me, you know, 

2036
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:53,680
I'm like, hey, what's this 
about? 

2037
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,760
And well, we have a search 
warrant for your house. 

2038
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,200
OK, let me see the search 
warrant. 

2039
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,160
Well, we'll get it to you. 
OK, well, let me see the search 

2040
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,200
warrant. 
Well, when the agents get here, 

2041
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,520
they'll show it to you. 
And, and by this time I had to 

2042
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,840
retold the dispatcher on the 
phone, you know, so they know, 

2043
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,400
hey, there's an adult female 
here and there's two juveniles, 

2044
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,200
you know, one, one 13112, no one
else in the home and then a 

2045
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,160
two-month old baby. 
This is where everybody's at 

2046
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,560
because I want to make sure this
process is as safe as possible, 

2047
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,240
you know, especially for my 
family, my family being the 

2048
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,040
priority. 
So they end up sitting me down 

2049
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,000
and and just to rewind it to so 
everybody knows the reason the 

2050
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,680
alarms were going off and that 
we learned this after the fact 

2051
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,560
was actually deployed a flash 
bang in front of my son's 

2052
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,840
bedroom window. 
His is the first window to the 

2053
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,000
to the house. 
And this was also his birthday. 

2054
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,480
You know, this was the day he 
turned 13, which they know 

2055
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,720
because when we hit a house, we 
know everything about everyone 

2056
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,640
and there. 
So they knew this was my son's 

2057
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,200
birthday. 
So I'm sitting there and now I 

2058
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,360
have to watch my family go 
through what I just went 

2059
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:57,760
through. 
And that's the part that hurts. 

2060
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,840
You know, military, the career 
we did like you just outlined, 

2061
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,440
that's not an uncommon place for
us to be in. 

2062
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,400
But my family's not, man. 
You know, they're regular 

2063
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,520
people. 
They have never gone through 

2064
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,000
anything like this. 
You know, my son grew up around 

2065
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,800
cops and to see them having 
these guns pointed at them, to 

2066
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,160
see them scared, like, like 
there's there's nothing that can

2067
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,120
fix that. 
Even if I have a lawsuit in the 

2068
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,640
future, there's nothing that 
fixes that. 

2069
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,120
There's nothing that remedies 
that. 

2070
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,680
Like that's just done. 
So, so they come out, they sit 

2071
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,160
them across the street and I'm 
literally looking at my family 

2072
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,320
and they're looking at me and 
they don't even know what's 

2073
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,960
going on. 
And you know, my missus is 

2074
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,560
asking me, you know, my baby's 
still on there. 

2075
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,640
Can I get the baby? 
And they won't let her get the 

2076
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:39,920
baby, our two-month old 
daughter. 

2077
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,560
So I tell the operator that's 
babysitting me. 

2078
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,200
I go look, man, it's a little 
house, you know, there's, 

2079
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,640
there's three bedrooms. 
I go there's we don't have a lot

2080
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:52,000
of furniture and it remember 
it's California, but in January 

2081
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,920
at this hour in the morning, 
it's freezing. 

2082
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,000
Because you're in the desert. 
We're in the desert. 

2083
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,320
Yeah. 
The lower desert, they call it. 

2084
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,480
So I tell them, you know, go 
make the living room safe and 

2085
01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:03,560
then get my family in there. 
And I'm like, it's freezing out 

2086
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,160
here, and they're in their 
pyjamas, you know, And the 

2087
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,520
baby's still in there. 
He's just like, he's like, yeah,

2088
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,280
man, we'll get to it. 
We'll get to it, You know, a few

2089
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,000
minutes. 
Like, look, she doesn't even 

2090
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,440
have the baby. 
Can you at least let her go get 

2091
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:17,120
the baby while this goes on? 
And by this time the SWAT team 

2092
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,440
or the search team is going into
the house and they're searching.

2093
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,360
And, you know, my wife's, I can 
tell she's upset. 

2094
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,920
She still does Our baby's in the
house this this entire time, you

2095
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,040
know, and they don't let her go 
into the sun comes up. 

2096
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,280
So it's anywhere from maybe 45 
minutes to an hour and a half 

2097
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,680
that, you know, the little ones 
inside by herself. 

2098
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,720
Finally, they take her and the 
kids inside and they walk me to 

2099
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,080
the backyard through the side 
gate. 

2100
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,520
They sit me down, I'm still 
handcuffed. 

2101
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:47,640
And then finally the two agents 
show up, a Special Agent Armenta

2102
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,920
and then Joint Terrorism Task 
Force Detective Candias, the one

2103
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,880
from Rialto Police Department. 
He's the one who said you were 

2104
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,960
AQ Anon guy in the affidavit. 
He's the one that wrote that. 

2105
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,880
So they sit down and they're 
like, you know, take the 

2106
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,000
handcuffs off of me. 
You know it. 

2107
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,680
It's fine. 
So they take off the handcuffs 

2108
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,240
and I'm like, hey, man, what's 
this about? 

2109
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,160
Where's the search warrant? 
Yeah, we're going to get to 

2110
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,800
that. 
Well, he opens up his black 

2111
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,800
leather bifold and I see screen 
prints from my Twitter. 

2112
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,600
I'm just in my head some like 
you got to be effing kidding me,

2113
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,520
right? 
Like This is why my family, my 

2114
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,640
and me just went through this. 
And so he sees me looking at it.

2115
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,840
He goes, well, we, we want to 
question you about your Twitter 

2116
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,360
being potentially violent. 
I said, listen, man, first I 

2117
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,320
want my attorney. 
And the second thing is nothing 

2118
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,840
in my social, any of my social 
media is violent. 

2119
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,400
I don't advocate for violence. 
Now I'm going to just inter 

2120
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:33,960
interrupt real quick. 
Just mindset. 

2121
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,440
Do you have any expectation of 
privacy when you put something 

2122
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:39,960
out on Twitter? 
Have you ever had expectation 

2123
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:41,400
of? 
Was it designed for the public 

2124
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,560
to read it? 
Yeah, it's, it's designed for 

2125
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,640
the public to read it. 
Like, you know, if if I wanted 

2126
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,720
my account to be private, you 
know, I would have put a lock 

2127
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,800
on. 
It and and so you know that 

2128
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,480
you're accountable for anything 
that you say and or you have the

2129
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,040
freedom of speech to say 
anything in this country. 

2130
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,400
That's kind of what we signed up
for, right? 

2131
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,080
100% I. 
Just wanted to make sure that 

2132
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,080
was in your mind when you're out
there. 

2133
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,960
You didn't think that you had 
like a super secret, like nobody

2134
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,360
knew who you were. 
This isn't like a hidden 

2135
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,240
identity. 
And, and was your picture. 

2136
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:05,920
It was probably a different 
picture, but did you have a 

2137
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,920
picture of yourself representing
yourself or was it a cartoon or 

2138
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,480
what? 
Was your your icon there? 

2139
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:15,440
Or your your, whatever. 
It was at the time, actually, I 

2140
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:19,800
think at the time it was the 
American flag because I had the 

2141
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,000
American flag on there for a few
days. 

2142
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,120
So at the time, once it was an 
American flag, but outside of 

2143
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,240
that, before and after, it's 
always been a picture of me. 

2144
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,040
Got it. 
So no, something that. 

2145
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,920
Shows this, this is who I am, 
right? 

2146
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,400
OK. 
You're not hiding this thing. 

2147
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,600
This is not a secret sleuth 
account where you're advocating.

2148
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,440
All right, I just want to, I 
want to set that up. 

2149
01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:37,520
We got a visual medium here, but
we don't have the visual of 

2150
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,520
your, of your thing. 
In fact, Phil, if you want to 

2151
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,960
bring up X Alpha Warrior X and 
and you know, I follow each 

2152
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,160
other, so that should be easy 
enough to find. 

2153
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,640
You can show the what it looks 
like now, but I can go ahead and

2154
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,400
carry on with this thing. 
So these guys got screens. 

2155
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,000
They got screen prints, not a 
secret account like I I'm 

2156
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,320
tweeting from it. 
It's from a personal e-mail. 

2157
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,640
My phone number is registered to
it. 

2158
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,240
Like you know, I, I know because
I've done it. 

2159
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:00,800
We, we get warns for social 
media. 

2160
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,480
Every you look it up, you get a 
warrant. 

2161
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:04,000
You're going to know who I am. 
It's an easy find. 

2162
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,480
There's even stories in there 
where I was calling out KESQ 

2163
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,080
when they posted that the 
article about me that you were 

2164
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,560
talking about earlier, because 
they doxed me. 

2165
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,320
They put my driver's license 
number in the article and my 

2166
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,600
address. 
And in the article they wrote 

2167
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:23,440
that the FBI, well, I'll get 
into that. 

2168
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,360
They wrote that the FBI took all
my farms because I actually 

2169
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,520
ended up sending an e-mail to 
them saying, listen, you guys 

2170
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,640
have my identifying information 
on there, you guys, and. 

2171
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:33,680
You're saying that I'm not 
armed? 

2172
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,080
I go and you just told every 
gang member where I live and 

2173
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,160
that I don't have the means to 
protect myself or my family. 

2174
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:40,920
And so of course, they write 
back. 

2175
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,080
Well, so you don't want us 
writing about you? 

2176
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,800
I said no freedom of speech, 
write whatever you want. 

2177
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,040
But my driver's license and my 
address doesn't change the 

2178
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:50,840
context of what you're writing 
about. 

2179
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,000
All that does is put me and my 
family in danger. 

2180
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,040
And if something happens to 
them, there's a record, written 

2181
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,120
record here of me telling you 
guys you're putting us in 

2182
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,840
danger. 
And so ultimately, they ended up

2183
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,000
finally redacting that part, but
they had it up there for a few 

2184
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,240
days. 
And I was pissed about that. 

2185
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:08,760
I bet. 
So, so they, they open it up 

2186
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,600
and, and they start going into 
the questions and, and at this 

2187
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,240
point, still haven't seen my 
family and our, our backslider, 

2188
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,720
we rent this home, but our 
backslider has like those that 

2189
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,400
tint on it. 
So it reflects the sun. 

2190
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,240
So like, I don't even know if my
family's like, I don't know 

2191
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,880
what's being done to them, you 
know, I don't know. 

2192
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,840
Are they being handcuffed? 
That's like, I just don't know. 

2193
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,840
So I asked them, Hey, can I 
speak to my family and our 

2194
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,680
mentors like, well, not right 
now, you know, but you know, 

2195
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:33,840
we'll get you in there in a 
little bit. 

2196
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,640
And that's when they bring up 
the tweets that we're talking 

2197
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:37,880
about. 
So the first one. 

2198
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,120
Which now you'd already said you
wanted to speak to an attorney. 

2199
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,760
First word out of my mouth and 
it's recorded. 

2200
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,960
Now, did the, did the detective 
that was with the JTTF, did he 

2201
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,600
wear a body recorder of any kind
that you know of? 

2202
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,920
Because FBI doesn't always have 
that just and I know we kind of 

2203
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,360
talked about that. 
They, they, they were both in 

2204
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,200
plain clothes with just the Blue
Jackets. 

2205
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:07,120
I think they might have actually
put a recorder on the table or 

2206
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,600
he had one, but there's a 
recording of it because we 

2207
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:09,880
actually were able to get a copy
of it. 

2208
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,880
My attorney has a copy of it. 
So was it the first or second? 

2209
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,120
Yeah. 
Does that follow as a 6th, a 6th

2210
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,200
Amendment violation right there 
that they decided to keep 

2211
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:19,560
talking to you? 
A. 100 Well, you know, it's a 

2212
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,000
Miranda violation. 
I'm in custody. 

2213
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,680
You are in custody. 
I'm in custody being questioned,

2214
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,840
so it should be Miranda. 
What's the calculus look like? 

2215
01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:27,560
Custody plus interrogation 
equals Miranda. 

2216
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:29,520
Equals. 
Miranda Everybody learns it 

2217
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,960
right in the beginning, right? 
Yeah, and for those saying, well

2218
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,040
they uncancuffed you, well 
there's still 6 patrol. 

2219
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,200
Officers. 
Yeah, you're not free to leave. 

2220
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,320
Yeah, you're undercut. 
You're in custody 100% I. 

2221
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,800
Just asked to go if I can go see
my family and they tell me I 

2222
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,520
can't. 
There's no argument here whether

2223
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:42,880
I'm in custody or not. 
Agreed. 

2224
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:48,200
So they go into the questioning.
So the first one they asked me 

2225
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,400
about is the one I told you that
will you flight bleed, maybe 

2226
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,560
even die with me on that one? 
And they go, well, right here, 

2227
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,200
Yeah. 
I'm not advocating for violence.

2228
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,040
I'm saying will you die for me 
to, you know, fight for this 

2229
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,920
country. 
I go, if you, you can die for 

2230
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,080
this country without ever 
throwing a rock, you know, go 

2231
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,000
ask tank man from Tangamon 
Square. 

2232
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,400
That's right. 
I go, there's just, there's 

2233
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,080
plenty of people that haven't. 
And so we go into it. 

2234
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,760
So then they go and they 
question about the, the Chris 

2235
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,960
Kyle 1. 
And I bring up the argument, you

2236
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,080
know, that we had here that this
is all military and law 

2237
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,920
enforcement. 
And I'm like, I'm, I'm looking 

2238
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,680
at them like seriously with the 
dumbfounded look like you guys 

2239
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,400
are really asking me these 
questions. 

2240
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,280
You know, I'm, you know, I'm 
making sure I make eye contact 

2241
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:29,760
with I go, I guarantee you, you 
have cops at your agency that 

2242
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,160
have these patches on their vest
or these decals on their car. 

2243
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,760
That's right, like everybody. 
Did you did you think you were 

2244
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,160
being punked right now? 
I, I just can't put myself in 

2245
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:39,800
that spot. 
I know it, it's a possibility. 

2246
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,400
It's a real possibility of my 
life as well. 

2247
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,920
And I just you, you'd think 
like, how do these guys look 

2248
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:46,560
themselves in the mirror when 
they're doing this? 

2249
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,320
Like this is such a dumb line of
questioning. 

2250
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:54,480
I what I knew it was real, you 
know, because of the flash bangs

2251
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,800
and all that stuff and and the 
way they treated my family. 

2252
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,840
But it just, it didn't make 
sense. 

2253
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,920
You know, it gets to the point, 
this is going to sound funny and

2254
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,400
I can imagine what this is like 
for someone who doesn't have our

2255
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,200
level of experience or, or 
training. 

2256
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,600
It gets to the point where you 
start asking yourself, have I 

2257
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,520
done something? 
Yeah, no, that's really 

2258
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,960
interesting. 
There is an instinct that I've 

2259
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,440
had when I started doing whistle
blower activity, every single 

2260
01:38:20,440 --> 01:38:22,400
thing. 
You know, every couple days you 

2261
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,000
wake up and you go, did I miss 
the boat? 

2262
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,880
Like, am I the bad guy here? 
Is there a possibility that I 

2263
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,280
just got this all wrong? 
And every single time that I had

2264
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,880
that instinct, I feel like you 
need to talk about the hand of 

2265
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,040
God keeping us safe and, and 
moving things the way that it 

2266
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:38,560
needs to go. 
Every single time that's 

2267
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,840
happened, somebody would call me
up and be like, I got a credible

2268
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,960
allegation of the the deputy, 
you know, the deputy director 

2269
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,800
having sex with this chick who 
works for the FBI and she 

2270
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,040
doesn't have to show up to her 
job. 

2271
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,800
And you're going like, OK, no, 
I'm not crazy. 

2272
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,600
There's a bunch of evil, It's a 
bunch of petty evil and real 

2273
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,840
evil. 
And some of it is different 

2274
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,360
levels. 
But like every single time I 

2275
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,040
have doubts, somebody reassures 
me something terrible happens to

2276
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,120
someone that's innocent every 
single time. 

2277
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,680
And you know, even you and I 
connecting, it's the same story.

2278
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:07,360
But if you don't have that 
moment of, of self reflection 

2279
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,400
where you're like, what did I 
miss? 

2280
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,120
How did I get on the wrong side 
of this? 

2281
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,880
I think you're a psychopath. 
Like you just don't have any 

2282
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,400
sense of, of reality. 
You have to question yourself. 

2283
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,840
And then then you come back to 
the conclusion you're like, no, 

2284
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:20,800
these people are psychopaths. 
Like, I can't believe they're 

2285
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,480
doing this. 
They're absolutely. 

2286
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,160
They have lost the threat of 
reality. 

2287
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,440
And they are now reading you 
tweets that are the kind of 

2288
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:31,320
things that you would see on the
walls, in every barracks, in 

2289
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,920
every military base that I've 
ever lived in. 

2290
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,800
It says the enemy is waking up 
every morning training to fight,

2291
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,800
die and whatever else. 
You know, what are you doing to 

2292
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,920
make yourself harder and better?
You know, how are you going to 

2293
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:42,360
make yourself harder to kill? 
How are you going to make 

2294
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,120
yourself better to serve all 
these things? 

2295
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,720
This is this is the mentality, 
This is the culture. 

2296
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,800
So your tweet is, you know, 
perfectly in line with me. 

2297
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,560
If you say that to me, the 
answer is either yes or no 

2298
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,720
Either yes, I am prepared or 
sorry, I'm busy. 

2299
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,880
I got to go to coffee with my 
wife. 

2300
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,000
But it's not a question of like,
that guy sounds violent. 

2301
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,960
I'm concerned about what he's 
saying. 

2302
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,920
Like 0% chance if you sent that 
lead my way, I would close it. 

2303
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,320
I would go, that's stupid. 
Shame on you and. 

2304
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,720
And like I said. 
Shame on you. 

2305
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,040
Despite everything they've done 
to me, like I've still given 

2306
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,440
them the benefit of the well, 
not no more, but at that time I 

2307
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:17,480
was still giving these guys the 
benefit of the doubt. 

2308
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:23,040
Let's just my Twitter account 
was from like 22,009 2010 like 

2309
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:24,360
I've had it for quite a few 
years. 

2310
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,160
All 600 followers for that for 
that. 

2311
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,560
Time massive following right 
definitely, you know, you know 

2312
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,480
surviving off that income. 
You guys had all the advertisers

2313
01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:40,360
knocking on my door. 
So so you know, had I done a 

2314
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,000
brand new account? 
You know, had I did, you know, 

2315
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:47,400
taken measures to conceal my 
identity, you know, if it was 

2316
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,600
this kind of, you know, quote, 
UN quote rhetoric that was every

2317
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,360
day, you know, in line with more
stuff And and it was an 

2318
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:58,200
escalation of tweeting even 
then, no law broken. 

2319
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,560
But I could see at least All 
right, maybe a conversation's 

2320
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,000
warranted. 
Not a flash bang conversation. 

2321
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,720
Not a flash bang, Not. 
I've had these conversations. 

2322
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,280
I know you have two, you know, 
potential threat of violence. 

2323
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,560
You go out, you knock on the 
door, you do the knock and talk 

2324
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,520
and you go. 
This is the allegation. 

2325
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:14,640
Just want to size you up, see 
who you are. 

2326
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,760
Oh, you're a cop. 
Oh, you were in the Marines. 

2327
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:18,440
That's probably why you talk 
like that. 

2328
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,280
Totally good. 
Like, let's get a beer sometime.

2329
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,400
That's how that should go. 
And what the other thing is too 

2330
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:28,480
is this, you know, it's the FBI,
you know, like I was, you know, 

2331
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,760
I, I told Steve this too. 
It's like you marry the movie 

2332
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,040
Armageddon, you know, and they 
got Bruce Willis in there and 

2333
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,200
they're asking him to join. 
And he's like, you're NASA for 

2334
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,360
God's sakes, like, like you guys
got this, right. 

2335
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:45,040
Well, to me, it's like you're 
the FBI and you're questioning 

2336
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,080
me. 
Like you guys have already run 

2337
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,840
all the algorithms on my 
profile. 

2338
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,440
You know my bank statements like
you know everything. 

2339
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,320
Like you were at a minimum, I'd 
assume you've gone through the 

2340
01:41:55,320 --> 01:42:00,200
last year of my social media and
would see, all right, there's 

2341
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,800
nothing, there's nothing here to
be concerned with. 

2342
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,000
This guy actually has 
conversations between law 

2343
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,960
enforcement and the community. 
This guy is telling people. 

2344
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,520
Producer Phil, can you weigh in 
on that thought? 

2345
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,280
You're the FBI. 
You must have done all this 

2346
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:13,920
interesting work. 
You got any thoughts on that 

2347
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,440
brother? 
Yeah, well, the public would 

2348
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:20,720
hope that, but the reality, I 
think from the last decade or so

2349
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,480
would point to the fact that 
there are a lot of holes in FBI 

2350
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:25,880
investigations and the it's not 
television. 

2351
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,040
These people are not sooth 
Sayers and they fall down on the

2352
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:32,400
job, and I think recent news 
related to an Excel spreadsheet 

2353
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,240
may indicate that. 
Did you ever jump on a private 

2354
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:40,240
jet with your team in a suit and
go investigate bad guys, Phil? 

2355
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,800
No, but I really enjoyed that 
show and so did my wife. 

2356
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:48,400
Criminal. 
So there you go Alpha and Phil 

2357
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,360
was an agent for 15 years. 
It's one of those things where 

2358
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:54,200
they've got the they've got the 
public snowed and and they've 

2359
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,520
even got other law enforcement 
snowed, which I think is why 

2360
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,080
they get a buy in on some of 
this stuff. 

2361
01:42:58,280 --> 01:42:59,440
And that may be part of the 
game. 

2362
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:02,040
It's like, look, this is the 
Joint Terrorism Task Force. 

2363
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:05,560
Like we were established after 
911 and we stopped terrorism. 

2364
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,200
And what I learned, one of the 
first things that I learned from

2365
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,720
Phil when I first met him, which
goes back a number of years now,

2366
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,640
he's like, no, no, you need to 
read this book called Terror 

2367
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,800
Factory. 
There's a guy named Trevor 

2368
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:20,640
Aronson and it's and it's Terror
Factory Colon, how the FBI has 

2369
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,560
manufactured the war on 
terrorism. 

2370
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,120
I may be paraphrasing it just a 
little bit off, but a lot of the

2371
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:28,080
terrorism cases the FBI does, 
including on the JTTF, are 

2372
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:29,960
straight up manufactured. 
They're put up jobs. 

2373
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,480
They're low IQ individuals that 
didn't do anything wrong. 

2374
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,960
And they were given an 
opportunity to basically have a 

2375
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,640
mean tweet. 
And then some, you know, 

2376
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,640
undercover came in there. 
Like, imagine if somebody had 

2377
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,840
been knocking on your door and 
was like, bro, like I'm ready to

2378
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,480
fight and die and bleed with you
and you're like, what are you? 

2379
01:43:43,480 --> 01:43:45,480
You'd be like, what are you 
doing at my door and get out of 

2380
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,280
here. 
Like, or somebody was hitting in

2381
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,560
the DMS like, yeah, bro, like 
where where are we gathering? 

2382
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:51,520
You know, what kind of weapons 
we get together to do this? 

2383
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,040
Like, let's get this training 
done. 

2384
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,520
You'd be like, no fed get away 
from my DMS, Right. 

2385
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,560
I mean, that's that's who they 
get. 

2386
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,680
That's who they catch is the guy
that goes like, oh, well, like 

2387
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:01,680
you're into it. 
I'm into it. 

2388
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,360
I guess we're both into it. 
I guess Reddit is real. 

2389
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,400
And so we're going to go live 
out our, our, our online fantasy

2390
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,560
of militias. 
You know, if somebody hit you up

2391
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:10,960
and be like, dude, I'm a three 
percenter too. 

2392
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:12,840
Let's get this done. 
You'd be like, I don't know what

2393
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,760
that is. 
Go away, go away, Fed right 3 

2394
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,480
percenter. 
You mean 1 percenter? 

2395
01:44:17,480 --> 01:44:18,560
Yeah. 
You'd be like, I don't like 1 

2396
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,040
percenters, I don't know about 3
percenters. 

2397
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:22,120
Tell people with the differences
just for just for their 

2398
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:23,880
awareness, because not 
everybody's going to be aware 

2399
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,560
this lingo. 
Well, so, so Detective Candius 

2400
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,600
goes, well, what do you think 
the three percenters are then? 

2401
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,240
I said, well, you know, I worked
1% of crimes. 

2402
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:35,440
So if I'm having a guess, I'm 
thinking they're probably the 

2403
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:37,800
opposite. 
And he's just like, no, you 

2404
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,760
know, and he goes down and reads
me this like Wikipedia version 

2405
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:43,680
of, you know, it took 3% of the 
population to revolt against the

2406
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,280
nation and establishing you. 
All news to you. 

2407
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,200
All news to me. 
So I'm just, and like I said, 

2408
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:51,560
this is all recorded, so I'm 
listening to it and I'm just 

2409
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:53,000
like, well, I've never heard 
that. 

2410
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,520
So I go, I'll review it. 
I go. 

2411
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,760
If that's the case, then at 
least I know I go, but I've 

2412
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,120
never heard it. 
And A1 percenter is, is the 

2413
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:02,760
outlaw motorcycle gangs is that 
Yeah, I'm correct on that. 

2414
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:04,280
I never worked out on 
motorcycles so. 

2415
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,520
Yeah, there was there was an 
event in Northern California, a 

2416
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,720
bunch of, you know, motorcycle 
enthusiasts went there and I 

2417
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,640
think it was the mayor or one of
the city people comes out and 

2418
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,640
was telling the public, you 
know, it was only 1% of these 

2419
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,480
guys that were problem here. 
And then now you got the diamond

2420
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:22,760
with the 1%. 
Now they're proud of it. 

2421
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,320
Now they're proud of it, 
tattooed everywhere. 

2422
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:29,240
That's right, here's the here's 
the interesting thing, because 

2423
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:32,560
I've come across a few because 
I'm I'm like you, you know, I'm 

2424
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,840
still vetting people, you know, 
who's the Fed, who's really 

2425
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:37,560
crazy, who's the extremist 
they're trying to tie me in 

2426
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,160
with, you know, so I'm 
constantly trying to do my best 

2427
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,560
to to vet through accounts. 
And you know, I've seen some and

2428
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,760
I'm like, you know, there's some
indications here that I'm pretty

2429
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,720
confident these, there's 
probably 1 percenter here, but 

2430
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:54,320
they're posting like America 
first MAGA type content like, 

2431
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:59,000
and I'm like, it's a crazy world
when people who are from the 

2432
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,360
criminal side are calling out 
criminal stuff. 

2433
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,760
Like that's just when you see 
that alignment taking place, 

2434
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,280
things are out of whack. 
Yeah, we are out of whack. 

2435
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,080
No, that's a, that's an 
excellent point. 

2436
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,040
And what's crazy too is that, 
you know, counterterrorism 

2437
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,080
sources, they make money like 
any other sources when they 

2438
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,160
build cases, right? 
So they're incentivized even 

2439
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:20,520
theoretically, they're supposed 
to actually go get authorization

2440
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,720
for the operations they get 
involved in, but but not 

2441
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:23,960
necessarily if it's a free 
speech thing. 

2442
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:27,200
And they're like, look, man, I, 
I baited this dude and like, now

2443
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,040
he wants to get violent. 
Like I want to get paid. 

2444
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,720
And that's what they do. 
It's just like anybody. 

2445
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:34,680
It's like any other dirtbag CI 
and and the Bureau, we call them

2446
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,080
Ch S S, but it's like they they 
get paid if there's a case. 

2447
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:39,920
And if they're going to build a 
big case and someone's going to 

2448
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,040
go out there and troll you and 
get you to say, like, I'm going 

2449
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,080
to take my AR and I'm going to 
put a can on it and I'm going to

2450
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,640
go start smoking people out of 
parade or whatever stupid thing.

2451
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,520
You know, they can get you to 
say like, man, that's pretty 

2452
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,720
good stuff. 
Like now we got to work that and

2453
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,000
there's going to be some money 
on working that like any other 

2454
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,080
source. 
Well, and the reason we like 

2455
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:59,080
working with with the feds is 
because you guys got deep 

2456
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:00,240
pockets. 
Man and they paying cash. 

2457
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,080
Do you guys, when you guys paid 
your sources, did you ever pay 

2458
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:02,920
cash? 
Is that how you do it? 

2459
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,520
It was cash, but there I'll give
them this because of liability. 

2460
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,800
There is a very thorough process
of of who's involved the 

2461
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,320
accountability like it's 
documented very well you. 

2462
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,280
Tie it to their name and their 
Social Security number, Whoever 

2463
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,040
your snitch is or whoever your 
CI is. 

2464
01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:22,200
It's so there's a file. 
So the way it works down here, 

2465
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,760
at least with Riverside County, 
yeah, I can share this part. 

2466
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:27,680
Don't. 
Don't cross any boundaries that 

2467
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,840
we don't need to cross. 
I'm trying to, I'll, I'll keep 

2468
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:34,360
it limited, but the checks and 
balances is, is you can't, you 

2469
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,640
can't just say you have ACI 
'cause you know you have a 

2470
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,000
snitch. 
Like if it's an official CI like

2471
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,440
everybody has their St. sources.
Hip pocket stuff. 

2472
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,560
Yeah, if it's an official term, 
CI that's going to make its way 

2473
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,600
to paper saying CI, then there's
a whole process of people 

2474
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:51,440
involved to include the DA. 
There's special files that the 

2475
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,080
DA has, you know, special 
numbers that are given to 

2476
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,240
people. 
So everything's, there's nobody 

2477
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:58,920
just gets to make the decision 
independently. 

2478
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:00,440
Like there's a lot of people 
that know. 

2479
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,840
And if it comes time, if it 
comes time for like payments and

2480
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,000
plea arrangements, there's a 
whole process of people that got

2481
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:08,400
to sign off on it before you do 
it. 

2482
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,000
I think that's fairly common. 
What's what blows people's mind 

2483
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:15,160
is that when when the the feds 
pay, they pay in cash, which 

2484
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,400
Julie Kelly over at American 
Greatness, which online 

2485
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,960
magazine, wrote about it and 
interviewed me about it once. 

2486
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:23,280
And the average is that the 
Bureau pays out $40 million 

2487
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:28,160
nationwide to sources in cash. 
And it's totally unattributable 

2488
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,880
because it goes in like, like if
I decide to name you and, you 

2489
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:34,040
know, it's like, I call you, you
know, Alpha Dog or something. 

2490
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,040
And that's, that's what your CI 
name is, right? 

2491
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,640
And so it's like, who? 
Who got that $150,000 for that 

2492
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,640
big counterterrorism takedown? 
It's like Alpha Dog. 

2493
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,000
And they're like, who is that? 
It's like bad guy. 

2494
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:46,880
Yeah, he's that guy, Alpha Dog. 
That's what we call him. 

2495
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,320
That's what he signed. 
Now, I know that it ties back to

2496
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,280
a snitch number or a source 
number and S and a digits. 

2497
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,120
And that goes into the files. 
And we could theoretically run 

2498
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,000
it back to you. 
Thank you. 

2499
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,720
But I'm never going to run down 
what you did with that money. 

2500
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,440
I just assume that you pay taxes
on it, did the right thing like 

2501
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:02,520
an honorable person, which we 
can pretty much guess doesn't 

2502
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,360
happen for most of these types. 
Like they're making off the 

2503
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:06,640
books income. 
And sometimes, I mean, it's up 

2504
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,040
to 6 figure paydays in the 
counter terrorism in the 

2505
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,800
counterintelligence world, which
blows people's minds what we're 

2506
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:13,240
paying for and what we're 
getting for it. 

2507
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,160
Like what are we getting for 
January 6th, guys? 

2508
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,080
We're getting you. 
I'm telling you, there's some 

2509
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:19,840
people that operate in a weird 
way. 

2510
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:24,320
There are a few handful of times
or I get a call on the personal 

2511
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:27,440
cell, personal cell phone number
and I didn't give that one out, 

2512
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,880
you know, oh, I saw, you know, 
another officer so and so gave 

2513
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,640
me your number. 
And I'm thinking like, why in 

2514
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,840
the world would you give? 
So the first thing I'm thinking 

2515
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,800
is there, is there corruption? 
I'm trying to be set up on 

2516
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:40,720
something. 
So immediately I'd be like, Hey,

2517
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,200
this is an immediate call. 
Block that and then make sure 

2518
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:45,360
there's a documentation of it. 
Cuz I'm, that's just the way I 

2519
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,160
was, man. 
I documented freaking everything

2520
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:48,680
you have to you. 
Just get paranoid. 

2521
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:50,080
That's don't. 
That's the that's what they do 

2522
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:51,400
to you when they hit your house 
like that. 

2523
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:55,080
Well, and this that probably is 
going to save my ass because 

2524
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,400
I'll tell you what my theory is 
that because I have a few 

2525
01:49:57,400 --> 01:49:59,160
working theories, but the two 
ones that I think are most 

2526
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:04,440
probable is, you know, so going 
back to the interview, they do 

2527
01:50:04,440 --> 01:50:07,600
these questions and this is 
something that investigators 

2528
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,760
will know. 
We know we know the penal codes 

2529
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,840
or the state crimes of the 
federal statutes and we know the

2530
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,440
elements that need to be met for
it to fall into it. 

2531
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:18,120
So candiest during this after 
they're you know, you can say 

2532
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,080
he's trying to be bad cop, but 
good cop, but not too bad. 

2533
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,040
So as we start getting closer to
the end of the interview, he 

2534
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:25,720
finally comes out and you can 
see his frustration. 

2535
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,080
He has a frustrated look of like
you didn't give us what we 

2536
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:30,280
wanted. 
Like if you recognize that look.

2537
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,240
Right, this is the failed 
interrogation. 

2538
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,360
How many times have we seen a 
partner walk out of the recorded

2539
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:36,240
room? 
They have that. 

2540
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:40,040
This is a failed interrogation. 
So he goes and he makes this 

2541
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,760
statement, and I think it's an 
extremely important statement. 

2542
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,680
And he goes well, you know 
you've been tweeting the way you

2543
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,680
tweet because you know how to 
tweet without breaking the law. 

2544
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:53,280
You mean with your words? 
So, so for those that are like, 

2545
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,080
why is that important? 
Alpha is what he's making a 

2546
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:59,440
statement right there that when 
he went and got that warrant 

2547
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:03,520
signed, he already knew that my 
tweets didn't violate the law. 

2548
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,960
Like when he says you tweet in a
way that you know is not going 

2549
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,880
to break the law. 
How did you go before a judge to

2550
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:12,320
say, hey, these tweets are a 
violation of, you know, 422 

2551
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:15,040
terrorist threats or all these 
other if you're already, if you 

2552
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,040
already knew they didn't buy 
like the the the thought there, 

2553
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,680
you know, like there's something
to be said with that. 

2554
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,440
How many, how many search 
warrants have you tried to swear

2555
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:27,440
out where the judge told you the
probable cause wasn't there and 

2556
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,600
you ever had that happen? 
0. 

2557
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,760
Zero times. 
This is why, though I never 

2558
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,040
danced in the Gray area. 
How many people do you know that

2559
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:36,920
that got search warrants that 
were sketchy, that got signed 

2560
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:37,640
off on anyway? 
They're. 

2561
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:40,720
A couple. 
It happens, right? 

2562
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:44,320
I mean the, the, the tie goes to
the run or the tie goes to the 

2563
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,280
officer in the, in most search 
warrants, would you agree your 

2564
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:49,920
credibility is that you are a 
law enforcement officer, You 

2565
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,880
understand the the standard of 
probable cause. 

2566
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,400
So if you're bringing a warrant,
you probably have it. 

2567
01:51:55,480 --> 01:51:58,520
That's their assumption. 
And, and it's, and you got to 

2568
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,880
remember, it's not like you're 
dealing with 1000 judges. 

2569
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,200
At least you know, at the local 
level you're dealing with, you 

2570
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:05,200
know, a dozen, two dozen judges.
They know you. 

2571
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,360
You do it for years and you're 
constantly going in there was 

2572
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:11,440
solid, solid, solid. 
Whether the people want to hear 

2573
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:13,640
it or not, you'll get the case 
where the judge sees you, 

2574
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,440
recognizes you, has a 
professional working 

2575
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:20,800
relationship with you, grabs 
your warrants like, yeah, seems 

2576
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,600
like it's there, right? 
And then you're talking about 

2577
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:25,720
the college football game that's
going to come A. 100% And when 

2578
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,160
you're the FBI, you get you get 
the credibility of the entire 

2579
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:30,840
agency that you just brought to 
to our attention again, which 

2580
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:32,880
exists even in local law 
enforcement and magistrate 

2581
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,080
judges are no different. 
They're like, maybe they want to

2582
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,600
weigh the the AT FS case because
I don't know if the ATF has ever

2583
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:38,920
written a warrant with probable 
cause in it. 

2584
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,480
That's just two guys talking. 
But what do I know? 

2585
01:52:41,480 --> 01:52:44,840
And my buddy Mick, who might 
listen to this will probably be 

2586
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:48,240
incensed. 
But ATF if he my buddy told me 

2587
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,240
that he's basically never seen 
an ATF warrant that was legit. 

2588
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:54,120
And and then on the other end of
the FBI, like we always get it 

2589
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:55,840
always gets signed. 
It doesn't matter if it's your 

2590
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:57,400
first day riding your first 
warrant. 

2591
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:00,480
It says Quantico training. 
It says you have the training 

2592
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:03,120
and experience. 
Your little I love me paragraph 

2593
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:04,560
says exactly all the things it 
needs to. 

2594
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,920
We got a pony which we which are
templates or a go buy and it 

2595
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,040
looks the same as every other 
FBI thing and they look at it 

2596
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,920
and they go heck yeah, you name 
the statute. 

2597
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:15,320
You said why you're good to go. 
They don't need to look any 

2598
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,720
further. 
And so you can imagine FBI 

2599
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:20,120
warrants get signed off on and 
I've read somewhere I'm like, 

2600
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,120
oh, that doesn't made it. 
I did one the other day was 

2601
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:23,520
AJ61. 
I read it and I was like, the 

2602
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,880
dude didn't even know whether he
was an officer or an agent. 

2603
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,480
Imagine if you wrote in your in 
your, your first, like your 

2604
01:53:29,480 --> 01:53:31,120
description of the Afghan 
paragraph. 

2605
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,760
So for folks awareness, 
basically every warrant starts 

2606
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:36,960
off with who I am and why I'm 
bringing this to your attention,

2607
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:38,960
what my authorities are, what my
training is and so on. 

2608
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,880
And it said as a special agent 
in the Federal Bureau of 

2609
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:43,200
Investigation, blah, blah, blah,
blah. 

2610
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:45,680
You know, these are the things I
have this training so on. 

2611
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,720
And then it wrote as a task 
force officer in the FBII have 

2612
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,400
this. 
Well, you know, and I know a 

2613
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,200
task force officer is not a 
special agent. 

2614
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:55,120
That's somebody that's a local 
cop that got federal deputy 

2615
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:58,520
status under either Title 18 or 
Title 21 or both. 

2616
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,520
So this person didn't even know 
if they were one of those. 

2617
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:03,240
That's obviously a procedural 
error. 

2618
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:05,200
That's a copy and paste error. 
Let's be real. 

2619
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:07,840
Like it's not a substantive 
error, but it shows like the 

2620
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,600
amount of focus that person had.
Like you ever read your, I mean,

2621
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:13,160
do you read your stuff that 
you're going to hand to a judge 

2622
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,200
and proofread it and make sure 
it's not stupid because they're 

2623
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:18,840
going to look at you if it is 
right, they're going to eat you 

2624
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:20,560
alive for being a moron. 
You don't even know what what 

2625
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:22,040
your training is like. 
You're telling me you're 

2626
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,000
training an experience and it 
might be one of two things. 

2627
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,080
If you fumble the ball in this 
in the first quarter of a 

2628
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,600
warrant, which is all admin 
stuff, you're the judge is going

2629
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:33,440
to have a fine tooth comb 
through everything else because 

2630
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,720
that's the stuff that's like you
do on every warrant. 

2631
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,000
How can you make a mistake? 
And I've seen FBI warrant signed

2632
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,280
like that. 
I've seen criminal complaints 

2633
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,000
signed off on that way recently.
This just happened this year in 

2634
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,360
January. 
So the Bureau gets a lot of 

2635
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,360
credibility on things that may 
not be crimes. 

2636
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,280
And I think probably the JTTF 
probably gets the same 

2637
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:52,040
credibility because it says FBI 
and that same, you know, that 

2638
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:54,200
search warrant. 
That's just my thoughts on it 

2639
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:56,360
and I'm. 
Here's an example for my 

2640
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:58,200
warrant. 
They put that out. 

2641
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:00,640
I have a white truck, my truck's
black. 

2642
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,720
Bah, who cares? 
Now granted, they got the 

2643
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,480
license plate right. 
But they got, they got that it 

2644
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,040
was a truck. 
Did you have it emergency 

2645
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,520
painted? 
Did you go get it painted soon? 

2646
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:12,680
Yeah. 
It's sad. 

2647
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,840
Well, here's an important one is
they put that I had a 

2648
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:17,400
surveillance camera in the front
of my home. 

2649
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:20,920
I have a a ring door Cam. 
You don't have any cameras on 

2650
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,280
it. 
I have a old doorbell that you 

2651
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,880
push it and it gets stuck. 
Sometimes you gotta use your 

2652
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,760
fingernail pull the thing. 
So I'm like, you know, obviously

2653
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:30,440
they're using templates for 
something else. 

2654
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:33,040
And that also justified them 
using SWAT because having a 

2655
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,280
certain amount of cameras up 
allows you to up the level of 

2656
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,400
tactical, you know, awareness. 
They probably said, you know, 

2657
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:39,680
likely armed because of your law
enforcement status and the fact 

2658
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:41,800
that you had surveillance or, 
you know, they had to come in 

2659
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,280
with it and come in heavier. 
So all these things should all 

2660
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:45,840
play out. 
And we hope they do because we 

2661
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,080
have a little bit of belief in 
the system. 

2662
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:50,080
We've seen it work for good, but
it doesn't seem to be working 

2663
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:52,000
real well when things like that 
like that should have never 

2664
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,960
happened obviously. 
And then, so here's the part 

2665
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,600
that should really, you know, 
this is a, there's some stuff 

2666
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,400
that's happened in my case 
that's bigger than me. 

2667
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,720
And one of those is 2 questions 
that they asked me during this 

2668
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:05,000
interview. 
And, and the thousands of 

2669
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,320
interviews I've done or been a 
part of, I've never asked these 

2670
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:09,960
two questions. 
So the first question that they 

2671
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:12,120
asked me is what political party
you registered with? 

2672
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,880
What? 
And I told them Republican. 

2673
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,800
And as you can guess, the second
question was who did you vote 

2674
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:19,840
for, for president? 
I said Donald Trump. 

2675
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,200
That's unbelievable. 
And this is recorded, you guys, 

2676
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:24,880
I'm telling you guys, this is 
recorded. 

2677
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,320
This is and this is things that 
have been happening now. 

2678
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,840
And this is the other problem is
that we're talking about, first 

2679
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,640
of all, this is a custodial 
interview that shouldn't have 

2680
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:33,640
been happening, right? 
I mean, that's Part 1. 

2681
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:36,000
Like just start right there. 
You ask for a lawyer. 

2682
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,920
They didn't make that happen. 
That shows poor training and 

2683
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:41,120
experience or poor judgement or 
whatever the heck it is. 

2684
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:43,640
They kept asking everything 
there should be inadmissible, 

2685
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,360
and it probably will be if 
everything goes the way that the

2686
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,480
system's supposed to. 
But what does that have to do 

2687
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:49,640
with anything? 
Like, what are they 

2688
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:53,000
establishing? 
Your, your, your protected First

2689
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,000
Amendment protected right of 
free association and free speech

2690
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:58,000
are now the two things that they
basically base this on. 

2691
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:59,800
But that's not what they came 
and did. 

2692
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,440
They did that search warrant 
under unknown probable cause and

2693
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:06,360
they were searching for elements
of some terrorism statute, 

2694
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:08,480
apparently. 
What did they really get that 

2695
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:10,800
nailed? 
You nailed you because it wasn't

2696
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,880
a, it wasn't federal paper that 
ended up putting you into the 

2697
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,680
hotspot, right? 
They got me with the state 

2698
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,640
charge. 
So what they did, and we learned

2699
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,640
this after the fact from the 
judge and I guess the judge must

2700
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,520
really trust my attorney. 
This was because when you 

2701
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:27,000
challenge, when you go to do a 
motion to quash that you get 

2702
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,760
you, you get, you have to stand 
before the judge that signed the

2703
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:30,800
warrant. 
That's the way it works out 

2704
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:31,800
here, at least in Riverside 
County. 

2705
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,680
I don't know if it's like that 
everywhere, but out here that's 

2706
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:36,200
the judge you go before, which 
to me is kind of weird. 

2707
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:38,240
Why would you go before the 
judge that signed it to see if 

2708
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:40,080
he still thinks it's OK to sign 
it like that? 

2709
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,720
Should be a completely 
unrelated. 

2710
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,000
Yeah, that's conflict of 
interest level stuff too, right?

2711
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:51,680
100% So what they did was they 
went and got a California red 

2712
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,560
flags law, gun violence 
protective order signed. 

2713
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,200
Then the next day, who's they? 
Went do you know? 

2714
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:02,720
The FBI JTTF. 
Did they have a local officer 

2715
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:04,960
swear it out or was it what's 
his name? 

2716
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:08,520
Candias. 
Candias so Candias is the he's 

2717
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:10,560
the Rialto guy. 
So that's about an hour from 

2718
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:11,800
here. 
Hour 15 minutes from here, but 

2719
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:13,120
is. 
He the one that that had to put 

2720
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:15,640
in the the attestation saying 
that you needed the red flag. 

2721
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:17,760
What did the? 
He's the one that signed. 

2722
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:21,400
He's the one that signed. 
Everything OK, So he's they the 

2723
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:23,240
jurisdiction's being used 
through him. 

2724
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:25,440
So he's, he's the jurisdiction. 
Guy, because the FBI obviously 

2725
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:26,800
can't do this. 
I've heard this stuff, by the 

2726
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,200
way, and I always thought it was
really gross. 

2727
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:30,600
They told me they were going to 
go after somebody for state gun 

2728
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,840
charges because they bought a 
gun in California and it was, 

2729
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:36,120
you know, not through a dealer. 
It's like, dude, we're feds. 

2730
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:38,880
Like why do you care? 
Oh, somebody bought 6 guns in 

2731
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,840
six months. 
Like, dude, I do that in a 

2732
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:44,320
weekend. 
Like I'm a, I'm a gun buying 

2733
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,920
dude, 6 guns at a weekend. 
It's a busy weekend for me. 

2734
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:48,680
My wife and I will have an 
interesting conversation at the 

2735
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:50,880
end of it about, you know, 
whether she's going to be able 

2736
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,720
to get like an extra organic, 
you know, thing of kale or 

2737
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:57,720
something like this is not, it's
so crazy because California 

2738
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,640
rules are not federal rules. 
They're 1000 times more 

2739
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:05,840
restrictive. 100% so, so they 
did that. 

2740
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,520
And what we learned later from 
the judge is the judge said, 

2741
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:11,840
because I'll give my attorney, 
like the guy put in work, he 

2742
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,080
wrote an amazing motion to quash
this thing. 

2743
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:15,720
Like because there's a lot to 
this. 

2744
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:17,480
It would take hours to cover all
the details. 

2745
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:19,440
There's exculpatory information 
that I was up there. 

2746
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:22,240
Well, this one's important. 
So you guys heard the tweets 

2747
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:26,800
that I talked about that they 
questioned me on literally 4, 

2748
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,360
three or four days before they 
executed the search warrant on 

2749
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:33,040
my home, I'd put a tweet out 
and, and another. 

2750
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,920
So it was this tweet was, or 
this information was on 

2751
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,160
Facebook, Instagram, like all 
social media was out there. 

2752
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,520
It was a red banner and it was 
telling people to go to their 

2753
01:59:42,720 --> 01:59:44,800
for inauguration day. 
There's some people to go to 

2754
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:47,880
their capital or to the state 
capital and to go armed. 

2755
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:51,400
Now that that's obvious, now 
that's something you want to 

2756
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:52,440
look into. 
That's right. 

2757
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,640
So a lot of us were retweeting 
that. 

2758
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:59,000
So I retweet that and I put on 
the, I quote tweet it and I put 

2759
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:03,240
absolutely do not go to this. 
I go this to the BLM and Tifa 

2760
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:06,080
trap. 
So they're telling, you know, 

2761
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:07,800
they're getting a judge to sign 
a warrant saying, hey, this 

2762
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:11,040
guy's going to go and try to 
disrupt the inauguration a few 

2763
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:12,200
days before they execute the 
warrant. 

2764
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,680
I'm saying the exact opposite. 
So when they're questioning me, 

2765
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:18,560
I ask them, I go, how'd you guys
get a warrant signed by a judge 

2766
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:20,600
that I want to go and disrupt 
the inauguration when I just 

2767
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:23,160
tweeted a few days ago telling 
people to do the opposite? 

2768
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,320
And so Special Agent Armenta 
goes, well, yeah, but you 

2769
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,000
tweeted because it's Antifa, 
BLM. 

2770
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,200
And so I go, dude, I don't care 
if I told people not to go 

2771
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:31,360
because it's going to be too 
cold. 

2772
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:33,400
It doesn't. 
Matter. 

2773
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:36,160
Well, and even if you told 
people to go, it doesn't matter.

2774
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:37,720
That's the thing. 
You're not inciting violence by 

2775
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,000
the, you know, especially if 
it's a a lawful action that they

2776
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:41,960
can take, which some people may 
choose to do that. 

2777
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:44,480
So I agree with that completely,
but for. 

2778
02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:46,960
This Yeah, for the purposes of 
what we're talking about, we're 

2779
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:50,520
you're even you're, I would call
that a mitigating tweet, right? 

2780
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,320
I mean, you're mitigating any of
the claims that they make about 

2781
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:55,040
you being reactionary or 
revolutionary. 

2782
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:57,680
And you know, once again, that's
that law enforcement instinct 

2783
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:01,680
where people start saying things
and you go, that's, that's not 

2784
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:03,360
what we're about here. 
That's not how this needs to be 

2785
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:06,040
done. 
And and and that's not the way 

2786
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:07,240
that you would want to go do 
that. 

2787
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,960
Like what are you going? 
To do it's not the way you want 

2788
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:11,040
it. 
It's not the 70s, you're not the

2789
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:12,720
Black Panthers. 
It doesn't go over well, Just 

2790
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:14,240
saying. 
No 100% it's not. 

2791
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:21,000
I don't got a sweater with an X 
but but and who knows, maybe the

2792
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:22,520
guy wasn't who we think it was 
either. 

2793
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,480
You know, giving everything that
we have to go and re study now. 

2794
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:27,800
That's something. 
But it would have probably been 

2795
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:29,720
better for them to discipline. 
Like we never saw the tweet, 

2796
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:31,480
right? 
But no, they both acknowledged 

2797
02:01:31,480 --> 02:01:34,440
seeing it. 
So I knew I was like, there is 

2798
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:38,320
no way they used, there's no way
this tweet got before the judge 

2799
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:41,240
because a judge is going to come
out and say, hey, you guys are 

2800
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:43,400
saying he wants to go do this, 
but he's telling people not to 

2801
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:45,240
do this. 
No judge is signing that. 

2802
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:47,400
So I knew right then and there 
there was exculpatory 

2803
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:50,120
information that wasn't put in, 
like I said, amongst other 

2804
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:52,680
things. 
And I'll get to the gun violence

2805
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,480
protective order and the state 
charge right now. 

2806
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:58,120
The other thing is because we've
seen about I think somewhere 

2807
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,240
between 6:00 and 8:00 pages of 
the warrant is what we've been 

2808
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:02,680
able to see so far. 
And there's three different 

2809
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:05,680
times they use confidential 
citizen, confidential informant 

2810
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:09,600
and I think confidential party 
or something of that sort. 

2811
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:13,040
But nonetheless, this, this all 
happened from a confidential 

2812
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:14,320
source. 
They documented it three 

2813
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:16,720
different times. 
So when we go to do this motion 

2814
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:20,520
across quash, we also request an
in camera hearing to see who the

2815
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:23,760
informant is. 
So the DA tells my attorney, 

2816
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:26,520
well, why do you guys want to 
the in camera hearing for you? 

2817
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:29,640
He's like, well, because Luna 
has a right to see who this 

2818
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:32,400
person is because we think we 
know what the motive is behind 

2819
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,240
here going all the way back to 
Cathedral City. 

2820
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:38,440
And so the ace is well, the FBI 
reached out to me and they said 

2821
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:41,560
that there is no confidential 
informant, that it was an 

2822
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:43,520
accident. 
They meant to write Anonymous 

2823
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:44,360
party. 
Then it's. 

2824
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,760
Then it's false statements in 
there and there weren't right? 

2825
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:50,440
So either way. 
It's either you'd lie then, or 

2826
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:52,560
you're lying now. 
So many times but. 

2827
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:57,000
I've never, I've never gone to a
judge with an anonymous party 

2828
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,920
because there is no judge who's 
going to sign that warrant. 

2829
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:01,600
And if they do, they're going to
have you. 

2830
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:04,520
You're going to be back in the 
chambers like a dozen times. 

2831
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,720
Why I want this and I want this.
I want this now I'll make a 

2832
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:10,320
phone call off an anonymous 
party, but I'm not writing 

2833
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:12,640
paper. 
So, and they know this. 

2834
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:16,480
So if they were telling the 
truth and it was an anonymous 

2835
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,840
party and that means you lied 
and said it was an informant so 

2836
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:20,880
that the judge would weigh it 
heavier and approve the warrant 

2837
02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:24,800
or you're lying Now, because, 
you know, if we find out that 

2838
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:28,600
the informant is tied to 
Cathedral City somehow, some 

2839
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:31,600
way, and more information is 
coming out with that, then we 

2840
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:34,040
know, all right, there's motive 
established here why this took 

2841
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:36,320
place and the case. 
Either way, the case doesn't 

2842
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,240
hold water. 
But I mean, that's the sign of 

2843
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:40,480
some of the things that we've 
been dealing with in this case. 

2844
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:44,880
So during this, the judge, 
they've tried to get me to take 

2845
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:46,800
every plea deal. 
They actually offered me a 

2846
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,160
golden goose egg. 
And family, friends, everybody's

2847
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:52,640
like, take that one. 
What they said is we'll give you

2848
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,880
veteran diversion. 
And all you got to do is for a 

2849
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:58,280
year, year and a half, go see a 
shrink, you know, tell them that

2850
02:03:58,280 --> 02:04:01,440
you and Donald Trump are wrong. 
And then at the end of that, 

2851
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:03,840
everything disappears. 
The arrest, you know, 

2852
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:05,840
everything, like, everything 
goes away like it never 

2853
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:07,800
happened. 
And that this was the final 

2854
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:10,960
thing that they offered me. 
And I was like, you guys can go 

2855
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,200
# sand I didn't do nothing 
wrong. 

2856
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:15,400
And you have violated so many of
my rights. 

2857
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:18,000
No, if you guys want to play, 
let's go before a jury where 

2858
02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:20,920
this stuff will make its way to 
court documentation. 

2859
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:23,200
I. 
Just want to reiterate that you 

2860
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:26,000
had an opportunity to basically 
make this thing wash by just 

2861
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:30,400
saying the things they asked you
to say and being good for a 

2862
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:33,280
year. 
They said a year to year and a 

2863
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:35,120
half, depending on what the 
judge would have said, and it 

2864
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:37,320
all goes away. 
Now, first of all, it doesn't 

2865
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:39,760
all go away because I'm in debt 
for the rest of my life. 

2866
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,480
That's true. 
How many how many dirtbags would

2867
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:45,120
take that deal? 
Every single one of them. 

2868
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:48,800
Every dirtbag 100%. 
Every single one of them. 

2869
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:51,400
I've watched and I've been 
watching guys with J6 going, 

2870
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:53,960
going to the mat over this kind 
of stuff. 

2871
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:58,040
And you know, the Fed is used to
people pleading out. 

2872
02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:00,720
I know that that happens in 
local law enforcement, probably 

2873
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:02,240
at a lower rate, but still at a 
high rate. 

2874
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:04,600
What do you think the odds are 
the the number of percentage of 

2875
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:07,520
people that pled out given an 
opportunity, especially a good 

2876
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:11,600
deal like that? 
Oh, a good deal like that easily

2877
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:15,680
90% of the time a, a, a decent 
plea deal. 

2878
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:18,960
And then, you know, I use 
decent, you know, conservatively

2879
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:22,640
there a, you know, a decent plea
deal, more than half the time is

2880
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:24,760
going to be taken before you 
even get to prelim. 

2881
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:27,400
Yeah. 
And most fed most fed cases it's

2882
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:29,640
I think it's like 92 or it's 
98%. 

2883
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:32,840
We got told this in in one of 
our interviews, but it's 

2884
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:35,720
shockingly high how many people 
plea out on a fed case and 

2885
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:37,040
you're standing this on 
principle because you know 

2886
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:40,040
what's right, which you not you 
know, so people should know 

2887
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:42,680
we've we've spent several hours 
talking prior to this on your 

2888
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:45,120
show and then after the show 
finished taping when I was 

2889
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:48,600
getting in trouble with my wife 
for sitting and just be asking 

2890
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,320
about this stuff. 
But I have utter, I have a lot 

2891
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:53,920
of respect for people that know 
that something is wrong. 

2892
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:58,720
It's the same level of not 
taking, you know, not taking 

2893
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:01,840
the, the, the opportunity that's
being offered when it's just a 

2894
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:03,800
little bit of a, of a, of a bent
knee. 

2895
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:07,600
In my case, it was, you know, 
will you take a COVID test every

2896
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,920
72 hours, which would only take 
a little bit of my time? 

2897
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:12,120
The answer is absolutely not. 
I'd rather lose my damn job over

2898
02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:13,600
it. 
And that seems stupid to a lot 

2899
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:15,880
of people, but probably not 
people who listen to this 

2900
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,560
podcast, it turns out, and not 
people who listen to your show 

2901
02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:20,760
because they understand that 
character actually does count 

2902
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:23,760
and your kids got to live in 
that world that you just, you 

2903
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,360
just help make a little bit 
worse by agreeing to something 

2904
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:32,560
like that. 100% if, if someone's
not if, like you and Steve, if 

2905
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:36,360
if and and myself, if people 
aren't willing to take on the 

2906
02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:39,200
fight with David and Goliath and
we're not the Goliath in this, 

2907
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:41,920
then who's going to do it? 
If if we're the ones that have 

2908
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:46,400
been, we have the train, we have
the knowledge, you know, we know

2909
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:48,760
that this is probably going to 
get very inconvenient and 

2910
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:52,240
uncomfortable, but you got to 
see through the fight so it 

2911
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:53,640
doesn't happen. 
It comes back to the bowling 

2912
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:56,040
thing. 
You know, if, if I'm not going 

2913
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:58,960
to stand up to this, imagine the
person that doesn't have the 

2914
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:01,360
ability to understand all the 
violations that were done to me.

2915
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:03,280
That's right. 
It's, it's happening to them, 

2916
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,000
you know, they just won't even 
know it. 

2917
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,760
So somebody, somebody has to put
it on paper. 

2918
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:09,440
Because here's the other thing. 
We can't even get legislation or

2919
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:11,600
people to push legislation to 
change this. 

2920
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:15,040
You know, our pleas, our, our 
plea deals, you know, there's 

2921
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:18,000
something that is our justice 
system is designed for a plea 

2922
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:20,760
and that's wrong. 
Like it shouldn't be that way. 

2923
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:22,360
That's not the way the 
Constitution is written, 

2924
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:23,840
certainly. 
I mean, you can. 

2925
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:26,600
You can have a jury trial over 
20 bucks, which was probably a 

2926
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:27,800
little bit more money back then,
but So what? 

2927
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:30,600
Let's say it's a few $1000. 
This is more than a few $1000 

2928
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:32,520
worth of your life being 
inconvenienced at this point. 

2929
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:35,600
This is radically turned your 
whole apple cart upside down, 

2930
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:36,720
right? 
And. 

2931
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:41,960
I mean, the fact that we're here
2 years and three months, almost

2932
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:44,920
three months later and we still 
haven't been given all the 

2933
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:48,800
discovery. 
I mean, it, it's just this blows

2934
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:51,600
my mind. 
But like I said, here's here's 

2935
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:53,800
where you're starting to see 
what you just talked about. 

2936
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:55,960
They're used to people taking 
the pleas. 

2937
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:59,320
So on that final day when they 
told us, because the judge told 

2938
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:02,040
my attorney goes, look, I'm 
quoting. 

2939
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:03,760
So either the judge lied or my 
attorney lied. 

2940
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:06,720
But this is what was told to me 
that in chambers, the judge told

2941
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,840
them, I can't give your, he 
goes, I respect your client and 

2942
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,760
what he's standing on, but I 
can't give your client what he 

2943
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:13,960
wants. 
There's too much political 

2944
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:16,960
pressure here. 
That is what my that is what my 

2945
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:18,840
attorney told me that the judge 
told him in chamber. 

2946
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:21,400
So I said if the judge lied or 
my attorneys lied, but that's 

2947
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:24,920
what was told to me. 
So I don't care if you respect 

2948
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:27,400
my principles, if if you know 
what I'm doing is right, then 

2949
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:29,880
toss out the case and you know, 
let's, let's have the boomerang 

2950
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:30,840
come around. 
That's right. 

2951
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:34,200
So, so they get, so they go, 
they raid my home to take all my

2952
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:37,000
firearms. 
That's January 15th. 

2953
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:40,640
So five days later, on the 
evening on Inauguration Day, 

2954
02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:43,680
while I'm at work, I get a call 
from my buddy. 

2955
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:45,440
He used to work law enforcement.
He's like, hey, man, there's 

2956
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,560
unmarked units around the school
district office. 

2957
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:49,560
And he's like, I'm like, all 
right. 

2958
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:53,760
And then he goes, hey, 2 Palm 
Springs police officers just 

2959
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:55,760
flagged me down, and they want 
to know where you're at. 

2960
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:59,080
So I was like, all right, if 
they got unmarked cars and they 

2961
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,880
got and they're monitoring, this
is an arrest. 

2962
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:03,520
That's right. 
And that's what this is for. 

2963
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:05,000
So I call up my buddy who's this
especially. 

2964
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:07,240
If they're going to start asking
questions about you because that

2965
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:09,840
that gets over right away. 
Yeah, we we're not doing that 

2966
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:11,400
unless it's an arrest. 
An arrest is coming. 

2967
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:13,960
So I need an arrest was coming. 
So I call up my buddy and say, 

2968
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:15,920
hey, listen, man, I don't want 
to get arrested in the school 

2969
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,400
district's uniform and have that
be on the page of the 

2970
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:20,600
newspapers. 
I'm going to go home, change 

2971
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:24,960
into my cities, give my wife the
phone number tree that we have 

2972
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:28,000
and you know, the ATM card, PIN 
numbers and all that stuff. 

2973
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:30,280
And then I'll go, I'll go meet 
these guys. 

2974
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:31,760
He goes, all right, I'll follow 
you. 

2975
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,320
So that way you know, you're not
by yourself. 

2976
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:36,640
So we go to my house, tell my 
wife, hey, they're looking for 

2977
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:37,840
me. 
Chances are this is going to be 

2978
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:38,960
an arrest. 
Yeah. 

2979
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:40,840
Here's the number for my 
attorney, same attorney that 

2980
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:42,960
we're using from the the city 
case. 

2981
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:46,800
And my buddy calls me again. 
He was, hey, they flagged me 

2982
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,600
down again. 
I go tell them that I'm on my 

2983
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:51,000
way. 
I'll be there in a few minutes. 

2984
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:52,920
I'll meet him across the street 
from the school district where 

2985
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:58,880
we fill up our, the patrol cars.
So we get there and the, now the

2986
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,000
Palm Springs guys that are 
there, these are, I would say 

2987
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:03,360
more than 3/4 of the guy that 
were there. 

2988
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:04,840
I know them. 
I've worked with these guys. 

2989
02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:07,440
The Sergeant that's there, I've 
known him for years. 

2990
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:10,840
So he's walking up to me and he 
goes, he goes, hey, man, you 

2991
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:12,560
know what this is about? 
I was like, yeah, it's about my 

2992
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:14,320
social media there at my house a
few days ago. 

2993
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:16,960
And he's all, no, it's about a, 
it's about an assault rifle. 

2994
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:18,920
I go, no, no, it's about my 
social media. 

2995
02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:20,840
They're at my house a few days, 
but I already know what this is.

2996
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:23,800
And he goes, no man, it's, it's,
it's a warrant, you know, for 

2997
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:25,640
the assault rifle. 
And I'm like, so by this time 

2998
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:29,440
here comes our Menta and Candius
and sure enough, they're 

2999
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:32,120
arresting me for a rifle. 
So I asked them, what's the 

3000
02:10:32,120 --> 02:10:34,240
bail? 
Because I'm, because I've 

3001
02:10:34,240 --> 02:10:36,840
arrested people for this. 
So I'm, I'm guessing it's 

3002
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:41,120
probably be like 30 thousand 
$40,000 and our Menta goes 

3003
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:44,160
quarter of $1,000,000. 
So I'm looking and I'm like, 

3004
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:48,040
what are the other charges? 
And he goes, no, it's, it's a 

3005
02:10:48,040 --> 02:10:49,440
single, it's a single weapons 
charge. 

3006
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:52,840
So what I knew then was they did
what's called a bail enhancement

3007
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:56,280
form, which means, and to this 
day they won't show us that form

3008
02:10:56,440 --> 02:10:58,120
like we've asked for it and they
won't give it to us. 

3009
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:02,040
But it that means that they went
before a judge and said, because

3010
02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:05,120
we use these, but we use them 
for very specific cases. 

3011
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:07,680
Most of the time. 
It's like a really bad domestic 

3012
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:11,320
violence where dudes going to 
kill the wife or someone if he 

3013
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:12,800
gets out, Like it's that 
extreme. 

3014
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:17,160
That means they went and told 
the judge that I am so dangerous

3015
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:20,360
even after the interview we had 
five days ago that I'm so 

3016
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:22,880
dangerous that my bail has to 
be. 

3017
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:25,000
And they probably requested a 
million, you know, and the judge

3018
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:28,200
probably authorized the court of
Main that quarter of $1,000,000 

3019
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:31,520
is the only way I should be out 
free to, to, to fight this case.

3020
02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:35,800
So they hooked me. 
They asked me, Hey, what jail do

3021
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:37,600
you want to go to the Indio 
jail, the Bani jail. 

3022
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:40,320
And I'm like, dude, I got guys 
sitting for murder and homicide 

3023
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:42,000
at both. 
It doesn't matter at this point.

3024
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:46,240
So they put me in the Paddy 
wagon, in the very back of the 

3025
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:47,680
Paddy wagon. 
And literally it's like a 

3026
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:50,000
footlocker, the one. 
And I'm not a small guy. 

3027
02:11:50,360 --> 02:11:52,000
So they put me in this 
footlocker 1. 

3028
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:55,560
And we start to drive off. 
And now here's where things get 

3029
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:57,360
a little interesting, but it's 
not a bad thing. 

3030
02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:02,320
We're a few minutes away and the
the transport officer from Palm 

3031
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:05,080
Springs pulls over into a 
commercial lot, right? 

3032
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:07,800
So I'm like, I'm sitting back 
there and I'm like, where we 

3033
02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:08,800
going? 
You know? 

3034
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:12,400
And so he comes around, he opens
the doors and he goes, he goes, 

3035
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:14,680
hey, man, go ahead and step out.
You know, I'm going to take your

3036
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:16,000
cuffs off and put them in the 
front. 

3037
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:19,880
So now I by this time we've seen
a couple of things going on with

3038
02:12:19,880 --> 02:12:22,120
J6 on the news. 
I'm like, I look at him and go, 

3039
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:23,760
I'm not stepping out. 
I know what happens. 

3040
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,240
I step out. 
I was trying to fight the 

3041
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:29,280
custody guy, the escape and I 
get a bullet in the Dome. 

3042
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:31,800
Like I've seen some movies, 
right? 

3043
02:12:32,280 --> 02:12:35,360
And so he goes, no man, he goes 
back to the Sergeant. 

3044
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:38,000
He goes, the guys told me who 
you are and that this isn't 

3045
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:38,880
right. 
What's happening to you. 

3046
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,560
So Sarge told me that once we 
got out of here to take you out 

3047
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:44,800
and put you in the front. 
So I cautiously come out and 

3048
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:47,200
sure enough, he takes the 
handcuffs from the front, double

3049
02:12:47,200 --> 02:12:50,360
cuss me or from the back, double
cuss me to the front, moves me 

3050
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:52,760
to the front of the vehicle. 
And he was just a cool kid, man.

3051
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:55,080
Just it's what the transport 
guys that are eventually going 

3052
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:59,320
to become cops and, and we go. 
And why is this important? 

3053
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:04,880
Because you just, you have the 
FBI guys that said I'm so 

3054
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,840
dangerous that you know, I 
should, it should be 1/4 of 

3055
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:10,680
$1,000,000 bail. 
But then you have a local guys 

3056
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:14,720
who know me that are like, we're
having a single custody guy pull

3057
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:19,440
you out, unhandcuff you, you 
know, cuff you and then move you

3058
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:21,960
to the front of the vehicle. 
That just shows that even law 

3059
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:25,240
enforcement didn't agree with 
what the FBI was saying. 

3060
02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:29,720
So we drive and this is where 
things get, you know, kind of 

3061
02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:31,960
jacked up for me. 
We go to Larry D Smith 

3062
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,560
Correctional Facility in Bani. 
They shut down the jail because 

3063
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:37,480
of my prior job so they can book
me by myself. 

3064
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:39,600
Well, on the way there I'm 
thinking, well, this is the one 

3065
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:42,400
time California's jacked up laws
are going to benefit me. 

3066
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:45,480
It's a single weapons charge. 
It's a non violent case. 

3067
02:13:45,480 --> 02:13:47,560
It doesn't matter if they got a 
quarter, $1,000,000 bail. 

3068
02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:50,560
I'm going to get fed kicked. 
What that what that means is you

3069
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:53,480
get in our jails are so packed. 
All they're to do is they gave 

3070
02:13:53,480 --> 02:13:55,440
you a ticket and send you on 
your way and you get a court 

3071
02:13:55,440 --> 02:13:56,360
date. 
So I'm like, I'm going to have 

3072
02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:57,920
that. 
Because they don't have room to 

3073
02:13:57,960 --> 02:14:00,600
to store you because. 
There's no room to store you. 

3074
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:03,600
And I'm telling you that happens
100% of the time. 

3075
02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:06,560
Like that is the expectation. 
Even the criminals know that. 

3076
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:09,040
That's why in California, when 
we catch a guy with a gun, the 

3077
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:11,600
reason he won't fight is because
he knows he's going to get fed 

3078
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:13,280
kicked, and if he fights, he 
won't. 

3079
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:16,600
So we get there. 
And so I tell the Sarge, the 

3080
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:18,160
watch commander, I go, hey, 
sarge, I'm going to get fed 

3081
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:20,440
kicked on this, right? 
He's like, well, we're working 

3082
02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:22,040
on that. 
So 30 minutes pass, and here 

3083
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:24,400
comes the orange Riverside 
County inmate jumpsuit. 

3084
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:26,600
And I'm like, well, this is 
interesting. 

3085
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:30,680
And so I have to get processed. 
I have to get naked in front of 

3086
02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:33,040
people I used to work with. 
It's humiliating. 

3087
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:37,080
And then they start walking me 
to the back in which I've been, 

3088
02:14:37,160 --> 02:14:39,160
you know, to go interview people
that are in custody. 

3089
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:41,480
But then we ended up going down 
another hallway when I hadn't 

3090
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:43,400
been down before. 
So I'm like, you know, where are

3091
02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:44,920
we going? 
He's like, he's like, we'll get 

3092
02:14:44,920 --> 02:14:46,760
there. 
And they booked me into solitary

3093
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:49,120
confinement. 
Remember, I've been respectful, 

3094
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:51,520
haven't raised my voice. 
Family's been respectful. 

3095
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:54,120
And because I, I, I figured they
would probably put me in 

3096
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:56,880
protective custody is what I 
kind of anticipated. 

3097
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,320
But no, they actually threw me 
in the freaking hole, man. 

3098
02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:03,320
And that's where I got down on 
my knees and I just started 

3099
02:15:03,320 --> 02:15:05,400
praying, Kyle, like I'm sitting 
there. 

3100
02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:08,440
I remember man is in this room. 
It's 8 feet by 11 feet because I

3101
02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:11,360
counted. 
It's a stainless steel toilet, 

3102
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:14,640
your water found right above it.
And there's no bed or mattress 

3103
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:16,880
because it's the whole, it's 
just a concrete block that's 

3104
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,560
raised off the ground. 
And they give you 2 blankets, 

3105
02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:23,200
you know, and there's no pillow.
So 1, you make a pillow and the 

3106
02:15:23,200 --> 02:15:25,720
other one you want to stay warm 
or do you want to cover the 

3107
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:27,240
thing you're going to lay on? 
Because who knows? 

3108
02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:29,720
You know, it's stuff doesn't 
look clean, you guys. 

3109
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:32,160
So I remember I'm sitting there,
I'm in this orange suit. 

3110
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:35,240
I'm looking down at these, you 
know, those brown waffle sack, 

3111
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:40,040
you know, slippers and the sock.
And I'm thinking like, like I 

3112
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:43,600
fought for this country. 
You know, I've seen my friends 

3113
02:15:43,600 --> 02:15:47,200
die for this country. 
You know my, my partner, 

3114
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:49,120
Jermaine Gibson, 2 Heart Purple 
recipients. 

3115
02:15:49,120 --> 02:15:50,920
Solid dude. 
Would have been a great cop if 

3116
02:15:50,920 --> 02:15:53,120
you're still alive. 
I watched that guy burn alive in

3117
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:56,280
front of me in his police car 
because I couldn't pull him out.

3118
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:58,600
As much as me and my partner 
tried, we couldn't pull him out 

3119
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:00,240
and we watched our friend burn 
alive. 

3120
02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:03,920
You know, the birthdays I've 
missed, the Christmas of the 

3121
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:06,920
sacrifices that my family's had 
to make for me to do this job. 

3122
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:11,240
You know, it's straight, narrow,
you know, I'll tell you that 

3123
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:14,000
personal matter between me and 
the Lieutenant of why I knew, 

3124
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:16,080
you know what, most guys could 
cut corners. 

3125
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:19,160
I knew I never could. 
So everything was always dot. 

3126
02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:21,320
My eyes were always dotted, my 
T's were always crossed. 

3127
02:16:22,080 --> 02:16:25,280
And now I'm here sitting in this
this animal cage. 

3128
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:31,000
And I remember just it all just 
came to like a point for me 

3129
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:34,879
where I was like, you know, if 
you want me to survive this God,

3130
02:16:34,879 --> 02:16:37,840
like I need you right now, like 
you need to bring me peace. 

3131
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:39,680
I, I don't know what the point 
of all this is. 

3132
02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:42,400
I, I trust you because you've 
got me through everything. 

3133
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:45,120
But right now you need to bring 
me peace. 

3134
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:49,600
And I just got on my knees. 
I started praying and I won't 

3135
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:51,879
say I had complete peace, but he
brought me to the point where I 

3136
02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:54,799
could at least relax and 
ultimately just tiredness, you 

3137
02:16:54,799 --> 02:16:57,480
know, put myself to sleep. 
But the other thing, the 

3138
02:16:57,480 --> 02:17:01,240
following day when I was in the 
in the hole, I remember thinking

3139
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:03,240
this comment, actually, I've 
never shared this, but it's 

3140
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:05,120
just, I feel, you know, 
compelled to share it. 

3141
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:08,080
Now I'm sitting in there zero 
contact cuz you're the hole. 

3142
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:10,360
Like you have a meal that comes 
through a hole that's given to 

3143
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:12,240
you. 
And I'm already even asked the 

3144
02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:14,639
guard like, what time is it? 
Cuz you have no so time 

3145
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:16,440
association. 
Yep, You know, even with this, 

3146
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:19,240
you know, day, day and a half. 
But I remember I'm sitting there

3147
02:17:19,240 --> 02:17:23,440
and there's, there's like a 
drainage hole on the wall or 

3148
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:27,280
vent and I can actually hear the
guys from general population 

3149
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:30,160
laughing and having a good time.
And I'm sitting there. 

3150
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:35,160
I'm thinking even the criminals 
are having a better time than me

3151
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:37,879
right now. 
And I'll tell you, man, it was 

3152
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,920
it, it crushed me. 
It, it, it crushed me. 

3153
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,799
And I knew that I was going to 
take a lot to get past that 

3154
02:17:44,799 --> 02:17:47,719
moment. 
And then ultimately I get bailed

3155
02:17:47,719 --> 02:17:49,959
out. 
They walk me to the OR they 

3156
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:52,480
drive me to the front of the, of
the county jail. 

3157
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:56,360
And you know, I see my wife on 
the other side of a chain link 

3158
02:17:56,360 --> 02:17:59,040
fence. 
Man, I promised her a good life,

3159
02:17:59,680 --> 02:18:02,799
you know, I promised her you 
know everything and she's 

3160
02:18:02,799 --> 02:18:06,520
literally standing outside the 
gates to a jail to pick up the 

3161
02:18:06,520 --> 02:18:11,840
man she loves and it crush if I 
felt like I let her down man, I 

3162
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:14,520
even though I knew I did nothing
wrong, the fact that she was 

3163
02:18:14,559 --> 02:18:17,000
going through this meant I let 
her down. 

3164
02:18:17,520 --> 02:18:20,600
So you know that was the main 
portion of this. 

3165
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:25,680
The FBI ends up leaving me alone
until August the 4th. 

3166
02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:28,920
And the reason this is important
is one of the things they said 

3167
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:34,360
before they left my home is, 
Candia says, hey, I know Gibson.

3168
02:18:34,400 --> 02:18:36,000
You know, he used to work with 
us. 

3169
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:40,080
We know you tried to save him. 
And I was like, yeah, OK. 

3170
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:42,600
And so they leave. 
So it means they knew Gibson and

3171
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:45,000
they knew the circumstances of 
how he died. 

3172
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:47,360
This is your This is your friend
that burned his vehicle. 

3173
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:49,440
Yeah, this was this was our 
partner. 

3174
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:52,799
Good cop man, good young cop, 
just solid dude. 

3175
02:18:53,559 --> 02:18:59,280
And when they this is my belief.
Now this is just my speculation 

3176
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:01,600
off of my experience. 
When you get a gun violence 

3177
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:04,120
protective order, there's 
certain things that have to be 

3178
02:19:04,120 --> 02:19:06,799
met to qualify. 
And since they didn't have any 

3179
02:19:06,799 --> 02:19:08,879
of those things, the last and 
final thing that they're going 

3180
02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:11,840
to do is probably try to show 
like some mental and stability. 

3181
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:15,959
So how better than to get a 
reaction from someone then bring

3182
02:19:15,959 --> 02:19:18,799
up someone you know that they 
saw burn alive to try to get 

3183
02:19:18,799 --> 02:19:21,440
like an emotional reaction and 
they didn't get it. 

3184
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:24,719
So then like I said, the next 
day I see them is August the 

3185
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:26,639
4th, 2021. 
And why is that day is 

3186
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:28,240
important? 
Because that's Gibson's birthday

3187
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:33,040
and they know that on the 
anniversary of his death and on 

3188
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:34,920
his birthday, you know, you 
always post something in 

3189
02:19:34,920 --> 02:19:36,320
remembrance of your of your 
brother. 

3190
02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:39,440
So they show up now they know I 
got representation. 

3191
02:19:39,440 --> 02:19:41,280
They've been in communication 
with my attorney. 

3192
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:43,000
They made no call to my 
attorney. 

3193
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:45,440
They made no call to me. 
They just showed up at my door. 

3194
02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:49,640
You know, the two agents are 
Menton candiest and I see that 

3195
02:19:49,640 --> 02:19:52,640
stamps, I open and I step out 
and they're just like, hey man, 

3196
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:56,800
we're here to return your 
electronic equipment, cell 

3197
02:19:56,800 --> 02:19:59,960
phones, laptops, everything 
that's got traceable, the 

3198
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,160
software on it most likely. 
You can probably give me some 

3199
02:20:04,160 --> 02:20:06,440
insight here in a minute whether
maybe I'm being too paranoid 

3200
02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:08,160
with that. 
But they bring all my 

3201
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:09,840
electronics. 
But what before they bring it? 

3202
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:11,120
They tell me that's why they're 
there. 

3203
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,080
This time it's afternoon, so I'm
a little bit more prepared for 

3204
02:20:15,080 --> 02:20:16,800
this. 
So I tell them I go, hey, you 

3205
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:20,040
guys realize like the American 
people do not trust the FBI 

3206
02:20:20,040 --> 02:20:22,600
right now. 
So Armenta goes, well, why do 

3207
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:25,240
you say that? 
And I go, yeah, Christopher Wray

3208
02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:29,080
on national television, 
Underoath say that he hadn't 

3209
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:32,360
seen any evidence of Antifa or 
BLM at January 6th. 

3210
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:35,760
I go anybody with the phone, 
tablet, computer, at a minimum 

3211
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:38,480
has seen pictures and photos of 
John Sullivan. 

3212
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:42,480
That's right, at a minimum. 
So if we know that he knows 

3213
02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:45,000
that, and this is what Armenta 
told me, this is the second most

3214
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:47,120
important thing in my case, 
that's bigger than me. 

3215
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:49,040
He goes and he makes a 
statement. 

3216
02:20:49,720 --> 02:20:52,240
Well, of course, he said that he
can't say something that's going

3217
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:56,560
to help Trump now. 
So it's Armenta's standing in 

3218
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:58,120
front. 
So I'm at my door facing the 

3219
02:20:58,120 --> 02:20:59,880
street. 
Armenta's facing me, and behind 

3220
02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:01,840
him is Candias. 
When Armenta makes that 

3221
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:04,440
statement, Candias even kind of 
looks like, what'd you say? 

3222
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:07,560
And so then I look at Armenta 
and I go, dude, I think Biden is

3223
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:10,040
a complete clown. 
But if he did something, it was 

3224
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:11,960
right. 
And I'm on the stand like I have

3225
02:21:11,960 --> 02:21:13,240
to tell the truth. 
That's perjury. 

3226
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:15,840
And so our mentor starts to walk
it back. 

3227
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:17,320
Well, you know, let's go get 
your equipment. 

3228
02:21:17,320 --> 02:21:19,560
Like you could realize he 
realized what came out of his 

3229
02:21:19,560 --> 02:21:21,120
mouth. 
Like we're all and now they're 

3230
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,120
realizing that I know what came 
out of his mouth. 

3231
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:26,400
So they go end up getting my 
electronics come over. 

3232
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:28,240
They have me sign the property 
receipt and they leave. 

3233
02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:31,520
Now this is what I'll tell 
people and maybe you can let me 

3234
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:33,280
know on this call. 
But at least I know in the local

3235
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:36,840
level, in all the years that 
I've done this, I have never 

3236
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:42,120
taken evidence back to a 
witness, a victim, A suspect. 

3237
02:21:42,480 --> 02:21:45,160
Like I've never done that. 
Like if it's ready for pick up 

3238
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:47,640
our evidence, people or staff 
will call and say, hey, your 

3239
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:49,400
stuff's ready for collection. 
Come down with the government 

3240
02:21:49,400 --> 02:21:51,080
ID. 
If there's a cost, here's the 

3241
02:21:51,080 --> 02:21:54,120
cost, you know? 
Yeah, we do that in the Bureau. 

3242
02:21:54,120 --> 02:21:56,320
I've returned a bunch of stuff. 
It just, it depends on the 

3243
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:59,520
office, I think a lot of times 
and depends on the case. 

3244
02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:03,200
I've returned victim stuff more 
often than subject, but I've 

3245
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,560
returned dude. 
I've, I returned a freaking 

3246
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:09,680
headliner to a Jeep Cherokee 
that some dude mowed down some 

3247
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:13,960
other dude with and his buddy 
died and they were all drunk and

3248
02:22:13,960 --> 02:22:17,080
he served, I don't know, four 
years or something stupid Indian

3249
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:18,760
Reservation crime. 
And I literally returned. 

3250
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:21,160
I don't know why they took it 
either, but the, the agent that 

3251
02:22:21,160 --> 02:22:24,160
investigated him was like took 
home the headliner and I 

3252
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:25,240
returned a headliner to the 
dude. 

3253
02:22:25,240 --> 02:22:26,880
And the only reason he was nice 
to me is because the parole 

3254
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:29,480
officer was there in the, in the
in the front living room. 

3255
02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:31,720
And I go, here you go dude. 
And he just signed for this and 

3256
02:22:31,720 --> 02:22:35,320
he was like, sign for it. 
And he goes, what should I do 

3257
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:36,880
with it? 
And I go, I don't, I don't know,

3258
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:38,800
I don't care. 
You can throw it in your yard. 

3259
02:22:39,080 --> 02:22:42,120
And he was like, OK, And then he
threw it in his yard and, you 

3260
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:43,160
know, it was an Indian 
Reservation. 

3261
02:22:43,160 --> 02:22:44,320
So there's like trash in his 
yard. 

3262
02:22:45,320 --> 02:22:46,920
Like I've, I've done weird 
things like that. 

3263
02:22:46,920 --> 02:22:49,360
Like the world is weird. the Fed
system is definitely weird. 

3264
02:22:49,800 --> 02:22:52,560
I've returned stuff, but only 
when the case is over, you know,

3265
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,720
only when it's completely done. 
So it's bizarre that they would 

3266
02:22:55,720 --> 02:22:59,600
bring it to you in that way. 
Maybe Phil has some different 

3267
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:02,040
experience with that than I do. 
He has maybe some more time and 

3268
02:23:02,040 --> 02:23:04,880
different, different type of 
experience, but I never, I don't

3269
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:06,640
know. 
It's not it's not out of bounds.

3270
02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:08,000
I wouldn't think it's. 
It is strange. 

3271
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:12,400
I, I just found it interesting 
that why wouldn't you call my 

3272
02:23:12,400 --> 02:23:14,600
attorney, though? 
They're like, hey, you want to 

3273
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:16,720
come pick up the stuff or hey, 
we're going to take it to him. 

3274
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:19,240
You want to let him know? 
Can we set up a date and time to

3275
02:23:19,240 --> 02:23:21,040
meet you know, is he going to be
home you? 

3276
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:22,560
Know dude, they can FedEx it to 
you too. 

3277
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:25,640
That's the other thing. 
But yeah, it's my buddy will 

3278
02:23:25,640 --> 02:23:26,960
refuse to hand things to 
anybody. 

3279
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:29,120
He just Fedexes it to him and 
gets a signature on the thing 

3280
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:31,240
and he goes good enough. 
So every every office has its 

3281
02:23:31,240 --> 02:23:33,160
own evidence procedures. 
It's probably not. 

3282
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:36,120
It's probably not as insidious 
as it could be. 

3283
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:38,160
It's strange that the case 
wasn't over, I don't think. 

3284
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:39,680
Right. 
So that's the weird. 

3285
02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:43,880
That's the weirdest thing to me.
My mindset on it was were they 

3286
02:23:43,880 --> 02:23:47,640
trying to show up on a day that 
they maybe he's drunk this day 

3287
02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:50,160
because it's, you know, this is 
the day that his buddy passed 

3288
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:52,720
away or maybe we show up and the
dudes, you know, eyes are 

3289
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:54,520
emotional. 
That's just where you know where

3290
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:56,760
my mindset goes to it. 
The problem is, is we're not in 

3291
02:23:56,760 --> 02:23:58,120
a place where we can trust these
clowns. 

3292
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:00,040
You know, and I and I feel the 
same way. 

3293
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:02,480
And, you know, I know I got 
friends who work in the Bureau, 

3294
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:03,920
just like you got friends in 
your old department. 

3295
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:06,280
And they're good people. 
And at the end of the day, it's 

3296
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:10,640
like when you shatter the trust,
when you betray something that 

3297
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:13,800
you used to believe in. 
And, and I'm pretty confident I 

3298
02:24:13,800 --> 02:24:16,360
speak for Phil in the same way. 
You know, you never look at the 

3299
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:18,200
agency the same way and you're 
never going to take their 

3300
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:20,080
actions in good faith again. 
They're always going to be 

3301
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:22,120
working from behind the 8 ball. 
And now they're doing that with 

3302
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:25,080
about half the American people. 
About 50% of this country is 

3303
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:28,760
looking at the FBI, like you 
just said, and they are a 

3304
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,320
liability to us. 
They are not a thing that is 

3305
02:24:31,320 --> 02:24:32,880
working for good and right. 
That doesn't mean they don't do 

3306
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:34,680
good and right things. 
I think we could both agree on 

3307
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:36,120
that. 
There's probably some righteous 

3308
02:24:36,120 --> 02:24:37,160
cases. 
There's probably some 

3309
02:24:37,400 --> 02:24:39,840
kidnappings they've shut down or
some cartel dudes that need to 

3310
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:41,560
go away. 
And there's probably some people

3311
02:24:41,560 --> 02:24:43,360
doing some honorable, decent 
work. 

3312
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:45,520
And none of them are going to 
get that credibility. 

3313
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:47,080
They're never going to get that 
same respect. 

3314
02:24:47,800 --> 02:24:50,640
And the ones that have risked 
their life to do that kind of 

3315
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:54,080
great work are going to be 
overshadowed by this, you know, 

3316
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:57,400
blemish that that's, that sits 
on the agency now, you know, but

3317
02:24:57,400 --> 02:24:59,640
just to kind of bring everything
to wrap, you know, so that's the

3318
02:24:59,640 --> 02:25:02,040
last physical contact that I 
have with them. 

3319
02:25:02,920 --> 02:25:04,760
Outside of that, I don't see 
them again till court. 

3320
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:09,480
So October that just passed the 
2022 is when they finally offer 

3321
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:11,680
that final plea that I'm just 
like, I'm not taking the golden 

3322
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:12,520
goose egg. 
Yep. 

3323
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:14,960
So we had the criminal case and 
the civil case. 

3324
02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:20,080
So the criminal case, the the 
arraignment gets pushed out, but

3325
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:22,040
now we're supposed to go to the 
civil case because that gun 

3326
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:24,160
violence protective order is 
that's a civil case. 

3327
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:26,880
So they said so that we're in 
the Riverside court. 

3328
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:29,160
So now we had to go to the East 
Riverside court, which is in 

3329
02:25:29,160 --> 02:25:33,000
Indio for the civil case. 
So the attorney that's 

3330
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:37,240
representing the FBI and JTTF in
the city tells my attorney, he 

3331
02:25:37,240 --> 02:25:41,000
goes, hey, just so you know, you
guys still have to show up, but 

3332
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:43,960
we're going to be dismissing the
civil case because they knew 

3333
02:25:43,960 --> 02:25:46,000
we're going to, even though the 
judge doesn't want to give us 

3334
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:49,560
nothing in the criminal case. 
Well, civil case, you know, no 

3335
02:25:49,560 --> 02:25:51,240
man's dying like they're going 
to have to testify. 

3336
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:54,440
So we're going to bring our 
Menta and Candias and everybody 

3337
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:57,520
to the stand on the civil case. 
So rather than go through that, 

3338
02:25:57,520 --> 02:25:59,120
they actually dismissed the 
civil case. 

3339
02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:04,000
So we go to the Indio court, we 
sit there and the the thing 

3340
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:06,320
about it that I actually made my
day was, you know, I've been 

3341
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:08,680
going to court with all my 
peers, Ddas, the people that I 

3342
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:10,880
work with getting my name just 
thrown through the mud. 

3343
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:14,080
So at least half the battle got 
one on that day because as I'm 

3344
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:16,640
standing there in court, you 
know, in front of Judge Otis 

3345
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:19,880
Sterling, just a great judge. 
So many times I was, it's one of

3346
02:26:19,880 --> 02:26:23,000
those things where I'm there in 
his courtroom and we had so many

3347
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:25,480
great conversations. 
And I'm like, man, does this 

3348
02:26:25,480 --> 02:26:27,520
guy, does he believe what 
they're saying about me? 

3349
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:30,080
Because it's like, or does he 
remember, like I know this kids 

3350
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:34,000
not like that, you know, but 
anyways, we're in this court and

3351
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,800
to hear the, the attorney say, 
Hey, we're requesting these 

3352
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:41,080
civil case to be dismissed. 
And then my attorney right away.

3353
02:26:41,080 --> 02:26:44,720
And we want, we want to be able 
to, I forget what the words 

3354
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:47,760
called for the, the document, 
but we want the, the document to

3355
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:50,040
go so he can go pick up his 
firearms and go pick up all this

3356
02:26:50,040 --> 02:26:52,720
stuff. 
And so they said, well, you 

3357
02:26:52,720 --> 02:26:53,920
know, do you have the serial 
numbers? 

3358
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:55,880
So they actually didn't got the 
thing signed. 

3359
02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:58,200
So I can go pick up my well, 
here's the interesting thing 

3360
02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:01,920
too. 
So I can go pick up my firearms 

3361
02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:05,040
from Rialto PD right now. 
Like I have the documents to go 

3362
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:08,920
do that, but then there's a side
because I just don't trust the 

3363
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:12,240
damn FBI right now is did they 
dismiss the case because they 

3364
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:17,200
don't want to testify or I 
haven't been in possession of my

3365
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:21,080
guns the last two years, which 
means I can't account for 

3366
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:24,080
anything that's been done with 
them the last two years. 

3367
02:27:25,240 --> 02:27:28,480
How bad is this corruption? 
Did something go take place with

3368
02:27:28,480 --> 02:27:32,760
my firearms and then the second 
I get in, get them back into my 

3369
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:34,720
custody, all of a sudden they're
knocking at my door to 

3370
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:36,440
investigate me for a crime that 
was done. 

3371
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:40,080
So I haven't picked them up. 
Yeah, because of that. 

3372
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:42,480
Will you let me know we'll we'll
just swap barrels on everything 

3373
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:47,120
brother, that's easy that's easy
day we'll take it offline but. 

3374
02:27:47,800 --> 02:27:49,680
That's, that's what I was 
actually thinking about doing, 

3375
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:51,800
was I was going to set up some 
appointments. 

3376
02:27:51,800 --> 02:27:54,160
So the day I went to pick them 
up, I was immediately going to 

3377
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:57,360
go to a gun shop, have the gun 
shop send them off to a place 

3378
02:27:57,360 --> 02:27:59,560
where they can change out my 
firing pins, change out the 

3379
02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:01,480
barrel sack way. 
I can say, look, I picked them 

3380
02:28:01,480 --> 02:28:04,080
up at this time, at this time 
they went here at this time they

3381
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:05,800
went here. 
So you ain't pinning shit on me,

3382
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:07,560
you know, trying to lie said to 
some. 

3383
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:10,560
But it just sucks because, you 
know, that's, that's like a 

3384
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:12,920
level of paranoid that shouldn't
have to exist. 

3385
02:28:12,920 --> 02:28:15,160
No, but that's that is the way 
that it looks in the same way 

3386
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:16,920
you're looking at your 
electronic devices, which I 

3387
02:28:16,920 --> 02:28:18,640
don't blame you. 
I had the same feeling when I 

3388
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:21,560
ordered my laptop and it's been 
a couple extra hours in Memphis 

3389
02:28:21,560 --> 02:28:24,560
getting transferred to the FedEx
and I went like, man, the Bureau

3390
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:26,480
has a really good relationship 
with FedEx. 

3391
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:28,240
What's going on over there? 
Why? 

3392
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:30,440
Why is it delayed in route? 
It still showed up on the same 

3393
02:28:30,440 --> 02:28:32,360
day it was supposed to, but why 
did it say it was delayed? 

3394
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:35,360
That just makes you paranoid. 
Look at Jeremy Brown's case. 

3395
02:28:35,720 --> 02:28:38,720
He ends up getting charged with 
a grenade and a classified CD 

3396
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:41,640
that's nowhere on the evidence 
collection list when they hit 

3397
02:28:41,640 --> 02:28:43,120
his house. 
It just showed up a year later 

3398
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:44,080
in his case. 
Right. 

3399
02:28:44,520 --> 02:28:47,280
No, I know it. 
Like I said, there's this this 

3400
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:49,920
storied agency that Phil and I 
both have history with. 

3401
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:52,960
And as you, you met with Steve 
friend, who's a friend of our 

3402
02:28:53,080 --> 02:28:55,800
show and who I've never met in 
person, but I talked to almost 

3403
02:28:55,800 --> 02:28:57,360
every day. 
He's like one of the few people 

3404
02:28:57,360 --> 02:29:00,160
in the Bureau that we just, we 
just got it right away. 

3405
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:01,440
It was like he's in the same 
tribe. 

3406
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:06,520
We have that tribe where it's 
like #1 no bullies and #2 you 

3407
02:29:06,520 --> 02:29:08,120
can't get me to cop to something
I didn't do. 

3408
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:10,520
And I'm not going to roll over. 
I'm going to keep fighting it 

3409
02:29:10,520 --> 02:29:14,600
even though it is decidedly 
uncomfortable for family, so I 

3410
02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:16,440
feel you man. 
On that one, that's where we're 

3411
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:18,240
at. 
So people always ask me, well, 

3412
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:19,480
what do you think the state 
charges? 

3413
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:21,360
Well, we need to see the police 
report to see what angle they're

3414
02:29:21,360 --> 02:29:23,480
taking. 
But I tell people all the time, 

3415
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:27,280
my agency has a copy of the 
paperwork, Department of Justice

3416
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:31,240
has a copy of the paperwork. 
I have a copy of the paperwork. 

3417
02:29:31,360 --> 02:29:34,000
So what angle they're trying to 
take, I don't know. 

3418
02:29:34,360 --> 02:29:38,960
You know, the there's just, 
there's a lot of at least funny 

3419
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:41,520
business that's going on, you 
know, but just to address 

3420
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:43,400
something because I'm 
remembering things that I forgot

3421
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:45,160
and I know I've kept you guys on
for so long. 

3422
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:46,160
You're good. 
I'm enjoying it. 

3423
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:49,000
Yeah, We'll, we'll we'll give 
people an opportunity to figure 

3424
02:29:49,000 --> 02:29:50,560
out because there's a lot more 
to your story and they can 

3425
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:51,640
obviously come see your show 
too. 

3426
02:29:51,640 --> 02:29:54,160
But hit me with, yeah, your 
final thought on that one. 

3427
02:29:54,880 --> 02:30:00,000
So when, where was it going? 
Which one was going to bring up?

3428
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,040
So when they came to my, when 
they came to my home, I was 

3429
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:07,520
working as a part time canine 
explosive handler, you know, so 

3430
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:09,680
Labrador, beautiful, beautiful, 
beautiful lab. 

3431
02:30:09,960 --> 02:30:14,240
And we go work, you know, the, 
you know, Oscars, the academies,

3432
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:16,640
the football games, like, you 
know, it's, it's the commercial 

3433
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:19,400
side of it. 
So we have training orders. 

3434
02:30:20,320 --> 02:30:23,400
So when they were taking all my 
stuff, I told them, I go, hey, 

3435
02:30:23,400 --> 02:30:25,080
you guys aren't taking my 
training orders, right? 

3436
02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:28,240
I only have like 4 or five of 
them and they're just like, 

3437
02:30:28,600 --> 02:30:30,960
well, yeah, we're taking them. 
I go, hey, I have my AT FS 

3438
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:33,920
certification to have that and 
to transport it. 

3439
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:36,400
And so they're like, OK, well, 
we need to see it. 

3440
02:30:36,400 --> 02:30:38,200
I go, that's fine. 
Glove box in my truck. 

3441
02:30:38,520 --> 02:30:41,720
I go work 'cause Marines like, 
you know, we're like you guys, 

3442
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:43,760
you know everything. 
We know where it's at. 

3443
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:45,640
You know, I'll tell you how many
Dimes are in my freaking yeah. 

3444
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:48,200
That's not all feds, but it's 
all paramedics, I'll tell you 

3445
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:50,480
that. 
And that's your gear's got to be

3446
02:30:50,480 --> 02:30:52,600
squared away, right? 
Yeah, you guys know how many 

3447
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:54,080
damn band aids there are. 
That's right. 

3448
02:30:55,640 --> 02:30:57,000
But so I tell them where it's 
at. 

3449
02:30:57,280 --> 02:31:00,600
And so they come back in and 
they're just like, no, it's not 

3450
02:31:00,600 --> 02:31:02,720
there. 
I'm like, no, 100% it's there 

3451
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:06,480
because I work weekends and 
every weekend I go and make sure

3452
02:31:06,480 --> 02:31:09,120
that it's there because 
sometimes I'll take it out. 

3453
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:11,640
You know, when we do our, our 
meetings and updates, I go, but 

3454
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:13,360
I know it's there. 
Well, it's not there. 

3455
02:31:13,480 --> 02:31:15,600
I go, OK, well then you can 
check the container where I, 

3456
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:18,480
where I hold my, my odors, but I
know it's not there. 

3457
02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:21,520
Well, they come back and say 
they can't find it. 

3458
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:23,600
So when they leave now I'm going
through my truck because I'm 

3459
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,920
like, I know it's here and it 
ain't there now. 

3460
02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:27,360
But first, my truck's turned 
upside down. 

3461
02:31:27,360 --> 02:31:29,680
It looks like a tweaker truck. 
My garage is turned upside down.

3462
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:31,640
That's the other part. 
I wanted to bring the, the, the,

3463
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:35,520
the execution of the search 
warrant, but it's gone now. 

3464
02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:38,080
You're not supposed to make 
copies of those documents. 

3465
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:41,360
But like I said, mom raised 
someone that's like, you don't 

3466
02:31:41,360 --> 02:31:43,120
want to lose something. 
House burns down. 

3467
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:45,840
Like you always want copies. 
So I actually had a copy on the 

3468
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:48,080
cloud. 
So I immediately called my 

3469
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:50,760
attorney and said, Hey, they 
said that I don't have this. 

3470
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:52,560
I have it. 
Here's a copy of it. 

3471
02:31:53,720 --> 02:31:56,800
And she immediately sent them a 
copy so that they had a copy. 

3472
02:31:57,440 --> 02:31:59,440
And part of me wonders where 
they going to actually go the 

3473
02:31:59,440 --> 02:32:04,200
Jeremy Brown route and use these
orders as the charge for me. 

3474
02:32:04,400 --> 02:32:07,640
And then once we showed that, 
now we have a copy. 

3475
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:08,840
We're not supposed to have a 
copy. 

3476
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:10,320
We have a copy. 
You're not going to be able to 

3477
02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:12,680
get away with that. 
Is that where they're trying to 

3478
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:16,480
fabricate something that has to 
do with the rifle, Which I don't

3479
02:32:16,480 --> 02:32:18,280
know if they didn't realize I 
have a copy of that too. 

3480
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:20,480
You know, like I've held it up 
on a few shows so people can 

3481
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:21,680
say, I always say here's the 
serial number. 

3482
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:22,720
That's right. 
Here's the date. 

3483
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:24,000
Here's the serial number 
compared. 

3484
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:26,240
You know the FOIA request. 
Yeah, there's just something 

3485
02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:28,360
awful about being in a place 
where you're so paranoid about 

3486
02:32:28,360 --> 02:32:30,000
it. 
And the paranoia comes from a 

3487
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:33,000
justifiable fear that that 
things are not working the way 

3488
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:34,120
they're supposed to and they 
haven't. 

3489
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:36,040
Like that's, that's not how cops
are treated. 

3490
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:38,040
That's not how we would expect 
to be treated. 

3491
02:32:38,400 --> 02:32:41,240
And. 
If I'm, if I'm in the audience, 

3492
02:32:41,240 --> 02:32:45,920
Kyle and I'm hearing my story, 
I'm like, what's he not saying? 

3493
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:48,200
Like there's more, this doesn't 
happen. 

3494
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:50,280
What's he not telling us? 
That's what happens. 

3495
02:32:50,280 --> 02:32:53,640
Now I feel like I'm over 
justifying so people realize. 

3496
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:55,800
Like, listen, I wouldn't believe
it either. 

3497
02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:58,080
It's the same. 
It's the same when I put out my 

3498
02:32:58,080 --> 02:33:00,000
body Cam footage, they're like, 
well, what else is here? 

3499
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:02,480
Like, that's it. 
It's just that, and and I'm a 

3500
02:33:02,480 --> 02:33:05,560
jerk to people that I don't like
who, who called me up and 

3501
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:06,840
accused me of things that I 
didn't do. 

3502
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:09,000
It turns out I'm not nice to 
them and I don't feel compelled 

3503
02:33:09,000 --> 02:33:12,000
to be nice to them either. 
I imagine you, you're a pretty 

3504
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:14,480
mellow and pretty even keel guy,
so I feel like you probably feel

3505
02:33:14,480 --> 02:33:15,160
the same way. 
Yeah. 

3506
02:33:15,640 --> 02:33:17,520
I know you were going to tell 
the story about what happened on

3507
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:18,880
the wall. 
You want to do that real 

3508
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:20,720
quickly, just kind of as they 
did the search of your house. 

3509
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:22,080
The reason why you have some 
faith. 

3510
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:23,320
I think leaving on a hopeful 
note. 

3511
02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:25,880
It's not a terrible thought. 
It'll keep us, keep us out of 

3512
02:33:25,880 --> 02:33:29,120
the out of the booze tonight, 
keep us away from the burp and. 

3513
02:33:29,960 --> 02:33:32,760
And that's why this is 
important, because the point of 

3514
02:33:32,760 --> 02:33:35,440
my story is just, it's to expose
things that are happening. 

3515
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:38,560
It's, it's to vindicate me. 
But it's all, and to show people

3516
02:33:38,560 --> 02:33:40,840
things that are important, like 
way more important to me. 

3517
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:43,440
The political questions that 
were asked, you know, some of 

3518
02:33:43,440 --> 02:33:45,280
the, you know, tactics that were
used. 

3519
02:33:45,640 --> 02:33:49,320
But at the same people, people 
have to understand that the 

3520
02:33:49,320 --> 02:33:52,920
badge is still good, law 
enforcement is still good. 

3521
02:33:52,920 --> 02:33:55,880
It's not without mistake and it 
doesn't mean that things don't 

3522
02:33:55,880 --> 02:33:59,880
need to be fixed, but people 
that have that badge will die 

3523
02:33:59,880 --> 02:34:01,320
for you not even knowing who you
are. 

3524
02:34:01,640 --> 02:34:03,880
Like that's how much they love 
the job they do and what they 

3525
02:34:03,880 --> 02:34:07,320
stand for. 
So when the FBI hit my house and

3526
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:09,760
executed the search warrant, you
know, they started from the 

3527
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,320
front of the property and moved 
their way back. 

3528
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:15,320
So like I said, my truck 
destroyed, garage destroyed, my 

3529
02:34:15,320 --> 02:34:17,920
son's bedroom destroyed, look 
like a hurricane hit it. 

3530
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:20,600
But then you get to the hallway 
and then the hallway in it, in 

3531
02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:23,440
my my missus. 
I'd only put this up like a few 

3532
02:34:23,440 --> 02:34:27,000
weeks of even that because I had
all my accolades in a box, 

3533
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:28,800
because, you know, I was in the 
best of moods. 

3534
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:30,160
What was going on? 
I was hurt. 

3535
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:33,360
So she puts up, you know, the 
medal of valor, the awards, the 

3536
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:36,560
FBI like she puts this whole, 
you know, I love me wall, right?

3537
02:34:37,240 --> 02:34:39,640
So my stepdaughter, because by 
this time they're in the house, 

3538
02:34:39,640 --> 02:34:42,960
she's in her bedroom, which the 
door open, looks at this wall 

3539
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:46,640
and one of the the the search 
members is babysitting her. 

3540
02:34:47,080 --> 02:34:49,480
And she says the whole team 
congregates at the wall and that

3541
02:34:49,480 --> 02:34:51,520
one of the guys asks who she 
calls the ball guy. 

3542
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:53,200
And I think it's probably the 
team leader, if I remember 

3543
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:55,120
correctly. 
But one of the guys asked the 

3544
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:56,680
ball guy, hey, are we arresting 
this guy? 

3545
02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:59,320
And that the ball guy goes, no 
man, I think this is one of the 

3546
02:34:59,320 --> 02:35:02,120
good guys. 
Now from that point, her room, 

3547
02:35:02,120 --> 02:35:05,320
the living room, the dining 
room, the storage, my bedroom 

3548
02:35:05,320 --> 02:35:09,360
where all my firearms are 
treated with complete respect, 

3549
02:35:10,440 --> 02:35:14,080
stuff folded back, put neatly 
like it was almost like two 

3550
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:15,880
different search teams hit my 
house. 

3551
02:35:16,360 --> 02:35:19,280
So what that tells me is when 
the agents that were handling 

3552
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:22,520
this case had that Zero Dark 30 
briefing, they probably really 

3553
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:24,800
had these guys convinced, 
listen, you're going to deal 

3554
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:29,080
with some crazy ass veteran, you
know, some crazy ass cop that 

3555
02:35:29,080 --> 02:35:31,560
was fired. 
He's disgruntled against the 

3556
02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:33,760
government. 
You know, like they probably 

3557
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:36,240
really made these guys think 
that they're going to come and 

3558
02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:40,320
take down the Looney Tunes, 
which is dangerous for everybody

3559
02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:42,520
for sure. 
And then when they saw, hey, 

3560
02:35:42,520 --> 02:35:43,880
look at how he's behaving with 
us. 

3561
02:35:43,880 --> 02:35:45,600
Look how his family's behaving 
with us. 

3562
02:35:46,360 --> 02:35:49,160
Look at there is No 3% of 
posters. 

3563
02:35:49,360 --> 02:35:52,880
Listen, there's no cue posters. 
Listen, the dudes coffee table 

3564
02:35:52,880 --> 02:35:55,240
has the Bible and the 
Constitution, which is a true 

3565
02:35:55,240 --> 02:35:57,160
story. 
It's been right down the coffee 

3566
02:35:57,160 --> 02:35:59,360
room table. 
I love that you know, the house 

3567
02:35:59,360 --> 02:36:00,600
is neatly. 
You know that there's a 

3568
02:36:00,680 --> 02:36:04,640
religious family. 
You know, they realize this is 

3569
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:07,840
my assumption. 
What they told us ain't true. 

3570
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:11,000
And I think that's what shifted 
the behavior and the rest of 

3571
02:36:11,000 --> 02:36:14,120
that search warrant that took 
place, which tells me that these

3572
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:16,760
guys are probably doing these 
search warrants under the 

3573
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:19,640
assumption of things that are 
probably not true or they're not

3574
02:36:19,640 --> 02:36:22,120
being given the whole story. 
And once they realize the truth,

3575
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:25,520
you know, conscious kicks in and
they do things the right way. 

3576
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:28,040
Yeah, I think you're right. 
I think Steve Friend told us he 

3577
02:36:28,040 --> 02:36:30,640
had a similar experience when 
they dealt with Gretchen Widmer 

3578
02:36:30,920 --> 02:36:32,400
kidnapping guys. 
Same story. 

3579
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:34,400
It's like this. 
We got fed one thing, you get 

3580
02:36:34,400 --> 02:36:37,720
hyped up to do one thing. 
The ground truth doesn't meet 

3581
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:41,120
that reality and and it's nice 
to know that they switch tactics

3582
02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:42,120
on you. 
I think that's a little bit of 

3583
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:43,400
hope. 
So we got to hold people 

3584
02:36:43,400 --> 02:36:45,320
accountable, but we also got to 
give them an opportunity to do 

3585
02:36:45,320 --> 02:36:47,640
the right thing when they do. 
We got to give them the Atta 

3586
02:36:47,640 --> 02:36:49,560
boys that are deserved. 
So I appreciate that. 

3587
02:36:50,120 --> 02:36:51,880
Look, man, I appreciate you 
sharing your story. 

3588
02:36:51,960 --> 02:36:53,200
Some of that stuff is a little 
bit touching. 

3589
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:54,760
It's probably going to upset me 
later on. 

3590
02:36:54,760 --> 02:36:56,960
So I appreciate you kind of 
giving me the truth, especially 

3591
02:36:56,960 --> 02:36:59,720
sitting in a cell like that. 
I've been in a, I've been in a 

3592
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:04,360
close quarters thing like that 
where I was doing just training,

3593
02:37:04,480 --> 02:37:06,560
just doing a survival training. 
And I know what it looks like to

3594
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:09,000
lose track of the hours and the 
days and count how how wide your

3595
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:10,680
cell is based on how big your 
feet are. 

3596
02:37:10,680 --> 02:37:13,440
And you know, how many scratches
are on the left side of the wall

3597
02:37:13,440 --> 02:37:15,120
closest to the light or whatever
it may be. 

3598
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:17,640
And all that stuff is tough. 
And that's the thing that people

3599
02:37:17,800 --> 02:37:20,400
only people who have done it 
know it and and that rings 

3600
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:22,720
really true. 
How can people find you? 

3601
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:25,760
How can they follow your show? 
And and you know, we'll cross 

3602
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:27,720
pollinate. 
I think there's obviously the 

3603
02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:29,440
same kind of people are 
interested in the same kind of 

3604
02:37:29,440 --> 02:37:31,480
things you and I are talking 
about South share it out there. 

3605
02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:33,840
Yeah, absolutely. 
You guys want to find 

3606
02:37:33,960 --> 02:37:35,720
everything. 
Me made it easy. 

3607
02:37:35,880 --> 02:37:39,600
You go to the 
alphawarriorshow.tv, that'll 

3608
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:42,760
show you sponsorships. 
I have legal funds that I have 

3609
02:37:42,760 --> 02:37:44,680
where my show is. 
Or if you just want to go 

3610
02:37:44,680 --> 02:37:48,080
straight to Rumble, just type in
the search bar Alpha Warrior 

3611
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:51,000
Show. 
It'll pop up and a lot of a lot 

3612
02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:53,960
of interesting stuff. 
And there's some fun stuff, you 

3613
02:37:53,960 --> 02:37:56,560
know, to to break them and knock
me at things every now and then.

3614
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:59,960
But the, the main focus that my 
show has always been is, you 

3615
02:37:59,960 --> 02:38:02,440
know, what's going on with the 
vaccination, what's going on 

3616
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:05,520
with the elections, what's going
on with January 6th. 

3617
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:07,440
And then we just, you know, 
touch on some other things. 

3618
02:38:07,720 --> 02:38:10,400
Yeah, and, and I've been on 
there and I enjoyed talking to 

3619
02:38:10,400 --> 02:38:12,160
you and I know you spent a lot 
of time doing some great 

3620
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:15,160
production work. 
So a lot of, a lot of heart and 

3621
02:38:15,160 --> 02:38:17,160
a lot of I know it's a labor of 
love on your end. 

3622
02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:19,760
So I'm I'm appreciative of it 
folks, check that sucker out. 

3623
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:22,720
And if you can see some of the 
things, I know you also support 

3624
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:25,480
other cops, other veterans who 
are going through rough times 

3625
02:38:25,480 --> 02:38:28,400
and you're very giving person 
and and I'm appreciative of that

3626
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:30,520
too. 
So by all means check them out. 

3627
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:33,680
I follow you on on social. 
Your social media is X Alpha 

3628
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:37,240
Warrior, another X. 
So that's the letter X on both 

3629
02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:38,680
sides. 
Are you on Twitter? 

3630
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:43,240
What other things are you on? 
I'm on truth as alpha warrior, 

3631
02:38:43,800 --> 02:38:50,840
get her as alpha warrior and 
Instagram someone's working on 

3632
02:38:50,840 --> 02:38:52,120
that For me. 
I think it's either alpha 

3633
02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:53,640
warrior show or the alpha 
warrior show. 

3634
02:38:53,640 --> 02:38:55,920
OK, but go to the website, 
everything. 

3635
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:59,160
Websites all there the 
alphawarriorshow.tv. 

3636
02:38:59,960 --> 02:39:03,080
The alphawarshow.tv here. 
Here's the cool thing, and I 

3637
02:39:03,080 --> 02:39:04,960
haven't announced it, so this 
would be the first time people 

3638
02:39:04,960 --> 02:39:08,520
hear of it. 
In the very near future, there's

3639
02:39:08,520 --> 02:39:12,360
a cop show that we're going to 
be doing once a week, just 

3640
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:14,600
working things out with who's 
going to Co host it. 

3641
02:39:14,960 --> 02:39:17,880
But it's the opposite of what 
mainstream media is putting out 

3642
02:39:17,880 --> 02:39:19,000
there. 
Mainstream media want to tell 

3643
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:21,680
you all the horrible stories. 
We're going to find cops across 

3644
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:25,480
the across the entire country 
doing CPR on babies, you know, 

3645
02:39:25,480 --> 02:39:29,040
pulling cats out of trees with 
firefighters, you know, rescuing

3646
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:30,960
people at restaurants, donating 
their time. 

3647
02:39:30,960 --> 02:39:33,920
We're going to bring the like 
the stories, the good stories of

3648
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:35,760
what people are doing, but we're
also going to include some of 

3649
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:37,840
the painful ones. 
You know, what they went through

3650
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:41,200
going to a, you know, a fatal 
with the family involved or a 

3651
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:43,720
shooting where you know they 
survived but the partner didn't.

3652
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:47,800
So it's powerful show probably 
becoming a tail end of next 

3653
02:39:47,800 --> 02:39:49,240
month. 
It's outstanding. 

3654
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:50,400
Yeah. 
I think it's an important 

3655
02:39:50,400 --> 02:39:52,480
message right now. 
This is such a nuanced issue. 

3656
02:39:52,480 --> 02:39:54,000
We're living in the Gray times 
right now. 

3657
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,040
It's not black and white. 
So people got to get in there 

3658
02:39:56,040 --> 02:39:59,240
and get educated on it. 
Alpha, thanks for joining me, 

3659
02:39:59,240 --> 02:40:00,760
buddy. 
I very much appreciate you 

3660
02:40:00,760 --> 02:40:02,880
sharing all that information. 
I'm going to go ahead and read 

3661
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:04,480
us out here. 
So, ladies and gentlemen, you 

3662
02:40:04,480 --> 02:40:06,640
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Seraphin Show. 

3663
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:09,760
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3664
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:11,520
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3665
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:13,480
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3666
02:40:13,680 --> 02:40:15,760
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3667
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:18,520
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3668
02:40:18,680 --> 02:40:20,280
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3669
02:40:20,480 --> 02:40:23,000
It's always appreciated and it 
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3670
02:40:23,000 --> 02:40:24,600
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The number of people who have 

3671
02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:27,520
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3672
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:30,760
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3673
02:40:30,760 --> 02:40:33,240
on the receiving end of what 
your federal government dollars 

3674
02:40:33,240 --> 02:40:35,480
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I think it's really important to

3675
02:40:35,480 --> 02:40:37,960
be able to put these out there. 
So we do appreciate that. 

3676
02:40:38,120 --> 02:40:39,360
We also appreciate your 
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3677
02:40:39,360 --> 02:40:41,600
We'd love if you give us a five 
star review on Apple Podcast. 

3678
02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:43,840
We're almost up to 300 right 
now, which is pretty shocking. 

3679
02:40:44,040 --> 02:40:45,960
We're almost as many as Brett 
Baier, who's been doing it for 

3680
02:40:45,960 --> 02:40:49,240
many, many more years. 
And Phil, so if you've got one 

3681
02:40:49,240 --> 02:40:50,760
of those handy, I'd have you 
read it out for us. 

3682
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:53,800
Yeah, sure. 
In fact I got 2 good ones. 

3683
02:40:53,800 --> 02:40:55,880
I don't know if we're ever going
to catch up at this rate Kyle, 

3684
02:40:55,880 --> 02:40:58,160
but first one comes from Maria 
who wrote. 

3685
02:40:58,160 --> 02:41:01,160
I just started listening to your
podcast so I have quite a bit of

3686
02:41:01,160 --> 02:41:03,720
catching up to do. 
I like what I'm hearing. 

3687
02:41:03,960 --> 02:41:07,720
I heard you on Dan Bongino 
podcast so I decided to follow 

3688
02:41:07,720 --> 02:41:10,680
you as well. 
Also got a nice shout out from 

3689
02:41:10,680 --> 02:41:12,720
Quiet Birdman who wrote great 
work. 

3690
02:41:12,960 --> 02:41:15,160
I've been listening since 
shortly after I heard your 

3691
02:41:15,160 --> 02:41:18,600
interview with Dan Bongino. 
Love the inside Baseball, inside

3692
02:41:18,680 --> 02:41:22,120
insights into what's going on in
our federal agencies. 

3693
02:41:22,400 --> 02:41:24,480
Thanks to both of them for those
nice five star reviews. 

3694
02:41:24,480 --> 02:41:26,680
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3695
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:28,760
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3696
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:32,800
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3697
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:35,240
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3698
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3701
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3702
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