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And George, thanks for joining me at I'm in the corner.
You're the mainstage. There you are.
Look at you. Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you. I for some reason my mic
wouldn't unmute. Good morning.
How you doing today? I'm good.
I like that. You just looked at me and you're
just like just sit there for a minute, Kyle, let me think about
this. You got your suspendable.
Sorry about that. You got the PT shirt on.
Did you do PT already today? Dude, I'm fully caffeinated. 2
cups of coffee, two hours in the gym this morning.
But I'm thinking that after this podcast I may have to get
another workout in. So I'm thinking maybe taking the
plate carrier out for a walk. It always turns heads in the
neighbourhood. OK so for those of you who have
never seen George Hills but a couple of weeks since we've had
him on, maybe even a couple of months, I think the last time
that you were on one of my buddies who's an operator and
and instructs J tax out in North Carolina, said.
I think that's the first hooyah that has made it on the Kyle
Serafin Show transcripts and that was with you.
I just looked at our our text message.
Yeah, no, that was right after the Hamas rolled into Israel.
Now are you a Hoya guy? Are you a?
No. Marine Corps Hoorah.
So even though I did, you know, another thirteen years in the
Navy Reserve, I still use URAW. It's still part of the Lexicon.
I'm I'm not going to change that.
They just need to adjust to me. I'm not adjusting to them.
Can. You appreciate a good Hoya
though. Oh, no, absolutely.
You know, especially working in NSA and in other purple
environments, you know, I respect that.
Absolutely. OK, fair enough.
When I work I was going through dive school at NSTC, which is
the centre for all military diving outside of Coronado,
where the seals do their thing and there's a down at Key West,
the special forces guys do up. But pretty much all military
diving is done out of Panama City and there's a lot of Hoyas
that are thrown around there. And one of my favourite things
is the Navy dive programme would come in every morning.
We were already tied up. We were already getting smoked
like on the on the pavement out in front of our die building.
And they would come marching past us to go in and they would
be information they'd have a guide on.
They would all be in those weird camis that makes it look like if
you jumped into the sea you would disappear and never be
seen again because they're all blue.
I didn't understand it, but I like it.
The cool digital blue. And they would yell out like a
series of who Yas they would go. They go who.
Yeah, NSTC and. Then the whole team would yell
at DC and then they would go who Yeah, America.
And I was like yeah, I'm into that one who Yeah, America.
And then they would yell who ya Air Force dive guys and we were
like yeah. And then we would be back on our
faces getting smoked cause you're not supposed to break
formation. So that's the way it would
always play out. I want to give people a quick
bullet points of background so we get some credibility.
I know some people don't know you, a lot of you people do.
So let's just do a quick little run through, give me your quick
bullet point resume if you would.
Yeah, the elevator pitch, 13 years, active duty Marine Corps
from 76 to 89 during the height of the Cold War.
So I think I'm qualified definitely today to talk about
FISA based on that long history. And then I did a whopping 9
years in the private sector and went into the Navy reserve And
in 2000 thinking you know this would be easy one weekend a
month, 2 weeks a year and and you know about a year and a half
later 911 happened and I wound up getting mobilised three
times. Still have 10 toes, 10 fingers
of my brain housing group is a little bit rattled but other
than that I'm good to go. I did.
Was recruited by the National Security Agency after my last
deployment. Did five years with them and
actually I have a very positive experience with them.
But again, that was a long time ago.
It was 20 years ago, almost 20 years ago, and then personal
circumstances landed me in Boston, MA, working for the FBI
as the National Security Intelligence Supervisor.
I had all three national security programmes and the Co
supervisor for the Boston Marathon Bombing Task Force.
Now, one of the big things we want to talk about today is the
files of the passage of it. You're the guy that I consulted
because I want to make sure sometimes when, look, if you
don't check yourself and wonder, and am I, am I missing the
thread here that I think you're a psychopath?
So what I'd like to do sometimes is I'll bang it against an
expert. And George is definitely that.
And so I'll say, hey, man, am I missing something?
We're looking at this hearing. We're watching John Cornyn.
We're watching the assistant attorney general, whose name is
Matthew Olsen, talking about FISA in a way that doesn't sound
like the kind of stuff that I dealt with.
And so I think, well, maybe my two years of doing it, then
whatever it was, several thousand hours of sitting in
front of a computer reading Faiza is not actually
representative of how it's used. Maybe I'll bang it against
somebody who is in a different field office.
And, George, you had to take on that particular hearing.
That was sort of disgusting. Yeah, yeah.
Well, we'll clean it up today. You don't need to this season,
you know what's the new acronym for the wrestling federation?
What is that? Now?
They don't call it the WWF. WWE, I think.
Is it WWE? That's what we saw on the whole.
FISA run up WWE. I mean, it's it's all theatre.
Um, everyone's play acting. I find it hard to believe that
Cornyn and Matt Olson didn't rehearse beforehand.
I mean, that was positively choreographed.
I mean, that was like Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers and
them dancing around one another. I mean, they they knew each
other's moves and and it was. In the high heels going
backwards, do you think? Oh, I'm gonna go have to go with
Cornyn on that one. That's the right answer.
No. And because Matt Olson is deep
state royalty and and I know people get their back up in the
air when you hear the term deep state but we didn't invent it.
It actually came from another country.
I can't. I can't remember what it is, but
basically it's just permanent. Washington and Matt Olson is
royalty. So I'm going to put the heels
on. I'm gonna put the heels on corn
and the. Cheques out.
I think that's that's reasonable to to assume and it was
essentially like you said, a tap dance, little routine.
It was a little song and dance for the American public to say,
look, This is why it's so good by the way, we're passing this
anyway, which they did. They passed in the Senate by an
overwhelming margin. It wasn't really even that
close. And then they came through and
then they pass it through the house.
We just saw that yesterday and so now it's going to go to
Biden's desk to sign off on a complete complete kick the can
down the line. The National Defence
Authorization Act is going to be enacted the way that they wrote
it with a bunch more money and a bunch of fund funding for all
the agencies that were confused about.
And also this 7025 is going to be, I don't know, is that
normally part of it? I didn't realise it was part of
that on a regular basis. I thought they individually line
item the items. What the 702?
No, they always show Hornet in they.
Shoe horned into NDA specifically, or they shoot in
somewhere else sometimes. Anywhere they can.
Whenever it's offered renewal. I can't remember where they
shoot it in. Last time when it was up for
renewal was a few years back, but they typically try to show
it in with something that would look bad amongst the
constituency, like, oh, you're not funding our troops, right?
Not funding the VA or something like that.
Something they're not going to shoehorn it into the Department
of Education funding. Right.
That's fair. OK, O four, people's awareness.
I want to breakdown again because so few people have an
idea what it is. John Cornyn called it the most
important law that Americans don't know anything about, which
I thought was really charming. Apparently he doesn't know
anything about it. I don't actually believe that.
Neither do you. So we're going to break down
what it is. I'm going to have you give your
description of it. If there's any colour, I will
comment on it. And then what I want to do is
what it what it started as, what it was designed to do.
And then of course what it does now, which is not the same thing
like all government and that way people can walk away.
It's really important that as you go out there and reach out
to your representatives and as you guys are raging about,
whether you're on social media that your information is
accurate, we're going to give you that accuracy.
So George, your your first instinct or your first sort of
touch with this type of collection goes back before the
FBI if my recollection is correct.
Correct. So with with NSA and you know me
Kyle you've known me. I said this the very first time
we met. I call balls and strikes and the
NSA and we're talking right after 911 right after the
Patriot Act was enacted was hardcore over on on
constitutional protections the the block of training that we
had to go through every year just to continue working there.
You know and and it wasn't one of these like click through
things you get at the FBI. I mean executive order 12,
triple 3, which governs the executive or the intelligence
community. And then there's a couple other
ones. I think it's 1805 and 1806
federal code and they were like real test questions and he like
really had to read it and study. And I was quite proud to be, you
know, part of that. It's like, yeah, you know,
because there was a lot of times on matters involving, you know,
because we had embedded with US FBI and TSA in in the, in the
area where I worked at NSA where it would have been so easy to do
some reverse targeting. And it was clear that like, no,
we we can't do that. Would have to find another way
to do the job. People to we, I, I've, I've
defined it before, but I'd like to just keep hammering home
reverse targeting what that means from your end what what
that actually equates to. Sure you you go up on a FISA or
or title three, you can do it, you know at the FBI on someone
that you know that they're going to be talking to.
The best example of reverse targeting is the FISA on Carter
Page Carter Page, who was in the Trump sphere.
Once you go up on on on Carter Page, you can two hop the the
collection. So everybody that Carter Page is
talking to and then everybody that they're talking to.
So you're easily going to sweep up Trump and everybody in his
sphere and then you then you're off to the racism there.
Somebody else comes up in this suite, you go up on a fizz on
them, then you can two hop them. So it's if it's it's not a it's
a Venn diagram in reverse. It just keeps going out, out,
out, out and out. It's it's unlimited collection.
It's bottomless. And when I tell people this, you
know, my my description is always that we see a criminal
case as a linear progression. It starts one where it ends
either in an acquittal or a plea or a conviction, and that's the
end of it, especially for the governments part of it.
There's some appeals and that goes on.
But when we talk about intelligence, there goes George.
So that's fun. That's hard.
That's how good. There he goes.
I'm gonna continue this thought. But George just said it exactly
correct. Like the the way that
intelligence collection works is always to expand.
It's an ever expanding series of either bold eyes, bullseyes or
Venn diagrams. It's a it's like a series of
eddies. They continue to just swirl
outward from each other. Each time that you open up one
thing, it gives you a circle. That circle may have a touch
point with a new circle which begins a new circle.
And each of those continue to fill up all the space.
So, George, I was just flushing out the nature of intelligence
investigations in general, and FISA is no different as a tool
to continue those types of investigations, yeah.
Absolutely. But but it's limitless.
And you know, I'm going to stop there.
Go ahead. Limited by bandwidth only,
essentially if you run out of personnel, which is why they
love being able to expand the personnel I assume.
Yeah, no, it it's that's what government does.
They just get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and you
know FISA is is an unlimited resource that you know I as as
an FBI supervisor, you know you have data warehouse.
So you know, I would, if there wasn't proper predication, I did
not allow my analyst to just go out there and see, go shopping
and see what they like. That's such a disturbing sort of
image to just like. I'll just take a little bit of
that. Oh, that sounds interesting.
Let's go dig into this Carter Page you mentioned that was a
full FISA as my recollection served.
So they actually had to go in front of the Fisk, which is the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a nominal
check on it. There are some at least
backstops on it. Can you talk about 702 FISA from
what you saw as a supervisor, how it works and what that
Connect collection looks like? So first let me hit on Carter
Page. They they they they lied on the
renewal for Carter Page. So that was can't remember the
attorney's name. He got a slap on the races like
Clint Smith got his licence suspended for a year and he's
back in business so so the the the process means nothing and
and Pfizer request and renewals are almost never denied because
the judges that cause that they rotate the Fisk, the FISA court
they rotate so they just yeah OK it looks good you know it's like
kind of like a Rodney Dangerfield and back to school
where he's lifting up the astronomy report if if the FISA
application is heavy enough boom we're off to the races yeah.
If you're if you're woodpile is is properly papered and you've
got enough you know sort of exhibits in there, you're good
to go. Right, so let's take it back to
Cornyn and Matt Wilson's love fest that they had.
They he was talking about it. Is the NSA listening or is the
FBI listening to these phone calls Is that what 702 does?
He sets that scroll man up. He sets it up for Matt to to to
deny it. And that is not what 702 is.
The NSA FBI. We don't nobody has the
resources to listen to all this stuff.
We're just collecting it all. Once you collect it then you can
data mine it. Which is what?
Data warehouses for clever name, right.
And you can just set your search criteria, which we had, I don't
know how many hundreds of thousands of violations in 2022
that the FBI. Almost 300,000.
Right. But it's it's it's just like
sending a fat kid into a candy store the size of a mall.
They, they, they there's it's unlimited to the amount of stuff
that they can gather up and put together, you know, so it's
everything from phone calls, you know, which are are recorded to
your your Internet activity because we now all have you know
these little devices where we can you know walk around with
the computer. So all that is getting hoovered
up and back when I was in the early 2000s, 4/20/10, the NSA
built a huge facility in Utah to to warehouse all that.
And I don't know the details and I'm not going to wing it, but
the somebody in Congress said no, we're not going to allow
that and but they found a way to around it.
So it's all still all your activity is still being stored,
which looks like from from reading unclassified reporting,
it's being actually stored by the providers that are you know,
your cell phone providers, your Internet providers, it's all
being stored. So now what we see is, is that
without any kind of predication. Uh, or legal process?
These providers are giving this information to the FBI, which is
put into data warehouse, which you know, we have the fat kid in
the candy mall again. And Data Warehouse is the name
of the programme. Lest anybody mistake what we're
saying here, we're quoting the name of the programme.
It's known as DWS, that's the acronym for it.
But it's Data Warehouse, either system or service, something to
that effect. Systems, yeah.
And so. So when I testified before
Congress in closed door about Bank of America giving up that
list without any kind of predication this.
And then Matt Taibbi and Mike Shellenberger, this goes on all
the time, where you have these companies who think that they're
acting in good faith and for the benefit of the Republic.
So all you have to do is pick up the phone and ask, you know, so
like we'll never get to the bottom of how the FBI came into
possession of the Bank of America generated list.
Just like we're never going to get to the bottom of who is
interacting from the FBI with these Internet service providers
and cell phone providers to ingest all this information that
resides in DWS. And I guess the weird thing that
most people don't realise is that historically speaking there
is almost always been a an adversarial relationship between
corporations who are theoretically like they don't
maybe have a fiduciary duty, a legal obligation, but they seem
to have a moral obligation to their customer base.
That's who pays for their services and so they they end up
defaulting to. If you try to do something with
our information and you don't file the right paperwork, we're
going to tell our customer because the customer pays us,
not you. But now it may be the case that
they're even making more money off federal government service
process or you just have ideologies that are in there
that are doing this game. Because I remember very
specifically that if you didn't have your, your regular
paperwork on NSL's National Security letters saying that you
were getting records from something like T-Mobile,
T-Mobile is really good about it.
My brother used to make fun of me for having T-Mobile.
He's like, man, nothing but like gangsters and scumbags have
that. And I'm like, well, they must
know that because they will let you know right away.
If you work, if you have a Team Mobile account and the
government gets lapsed on their paperwork, they come after you
and they will tell the customer exactly like, hey, the FBI is
required your stuff. And you'll go like, Oh my God,
they'll send him a letter that used to be the default position
somehow. That change, which is kind of
what you're talking about, There's this, this culture shift
and I don't know what the moment was.
What I'd like to do is talk about the differential between
NSA culture, which you experienced, right.
You experienced that, guarding that sort of like we're the
we're the gatekeepers for democratic processes and civil
liberties, and we've got to make sure we do it right.
There was a change that happened at the end of the Obama era,
which was news to me, actually the last time we talked.
I didn't realise that's when it changed.
And then you got to see the FBI culture, which is very
different. Maybe you can kind of talk about
that change over and what it look like?
Yeah, so. So let's let's back up all the
way to the beginning on FISA 702, FIZA.
Fiza came to us via the great Ted Kennedy.
He's the one who introduced the bill, The creative FISA.
Ted Kennedy is also the son of a bitch who changed our
immigration laws as well. So Ted Kennedy introduced that
legislation in 1978 in response to the Church Commission
findings. We made it through the entire
Cold War almost because 1978, the Berlin Wall came down in,
what, 9293? So we were well into the Cold
War by that time. So we somehow we managed to
survive and not get into nuclear Armageddon up until 1978 because
everybody had a hissy over the CIA assassinating people who
were assholes and actually needed it, you know, a lead
injection. So that's the genesis behind
FISA, that that's how we got to this point and then somehow it
became part of the narrative that we just can't survive
without it and it but was targeted towards foreign
governments. Hence the name is John Cornyn.
Like say that means foreign right.
Like other countries you know so condescending.
But I digress. I mean it's just we got that
point but now because it's it's there and readily available.
The 702 data which is the met basically the metadata behind
the activity whether it be phone calls or emails or Internet
browsing, it's the metadata behind that.
So your IP address, the phone number, the duration you know so
you can get all that information you know from Data warehouse.
So I might have lost my my train of thought.
You're still talking about it so that the NSA was sort of
safeguarding that and they were preserving it because they're
not. They're not a criminal
investigative group. They're an intelligence group.
That's what the NSA does. They do intelligence.
And they're not looking for traders and spies per se.
They're looking to basically write briefs that say this is an
ongoing threat, this is an evolving threat.
This thing may become a problem. You might be in need to aware of
it, but then it goes to the operational ends of it.
One of which is the FBI who actually has those Leo powers
that law enforcement and that expanded dramatically under
Obama, like in the last eight days that he was in office
literally the last week out the door.
He's like signing stuff that's gonna end up being the deep
state, you know, sort of a weapon against Trump.
Right. He modified Executive Order 12,
triple 3 because he said you can, you'd have to do a little
bit of clicking around. But he actually said, I may get
one or two words wrong, but I'm concerned that under a Trump
administration that this information is not going to be
available. That was his motivation for
doing this. He did this on purpose.
He laid out an entire minefield for the entire country on his
last few days. Outside the door, he created
this mess by enabling the FBI and DHS I to be able to use all
this data. Because when Trump becomes
president, it's not going to be available.
No, it's when Trump becomes president, we need a way to
fight him. That's that's that was the
motivation behind that. And with the FBI end of it and
that you described it to me this way.
So now I have this image permanently affixed in my brain.
But the the analyst from the FBI that were also pretty rapidly
like under the Jim Comedy banner, they were very much like
comedies, my homie and Trump is a is.
We have to resist. They were like a bunch of horny
in cells standing outside of a strip club full of drunk
hookers. And did we lose you?
Yeah, I got. I got Kyle's voice.
I got both of you, Georgie Brown, and just log out and log
back in. You should bring your voice
back. Interesting.
I like that. We always have problems with
George, by the way, folks. We were on with George for like
15 minutes before before we were going live with you guys and we
had 0 problems. It's always the way this works.
It's kind of fun. I don't know if it's a broadcast
issue or if it's a if it's just unique to George's connection or
something more nefarious. We'll just leave it at that.
Who cares? So, George, what I was saying is
that the thing that I have forever in etched in my mind now
is that the FBI's Intel analyst, we're essentially like a bunch
of horny incels sitting outside of a strip club with a bunch of
drunk horny strippers inside of it and they were just sitting
there. And Obama basically goes and
open the door, go whatever you want, knock yourselves out.
And that's what we started. Absolutely, Yeah.
Yeah. No, they he laid it out there.
A smorgasboard for the worst people.
And how do they use, How do they use that information?
That's the real question. So use supervised IAS.
How do they use it? Well, let's be glib about it.
I'm bored so I'll log into DWS and I'll see what I can find.
So look cause at the beginning of the year you have the whole
TRP process and you have three intelligence products you have
to write and you can just start perusing DWS.
I'm just giving Rando examples. I understand this is not a
specific. Right.
You can just start perusing DWS. You know, maybe you have an
Iranian counterintelligence case and you know, you start, you
know, doing some queries, which we know they're over 100, 1000,
you know, violations. You start doing some queries and
ohk OK And you, you, you, you come across somebody that may be
of interest and you open a Type 5 assessment and you know you're
off to the races collecting on someone who never had any kind
of predication. No, no, no even not even a
preliminary investigation against them.
But they're a, you know, they're Iranian by birth, they live in
Lebanon and they're involved in basically, you know, import
exports, things of that nature. There's no real evidence yet
that they may have engaged in the transfer of, you know,
prohibited items on the State Department list.
Yeah, I tar stuff or or contraband.
Or whatever that's called counter.
Proliferation type items. Right, right.
So it's just it's just an open door for mischief.
Until people with a type 5 is because I think that's fun.
So. So for people's awareness, I'm
going to break it down simply and I'll have you get more
specific. The there are basically 3 levels
of of investigations of sorts and they are assessments, which
is a whole host of different sort of tools and capabilities.
That's one level. That's the lowest tier.
Then we have preliminary investigations, then we have
full investigations. That's the FBI's 3 three steps.
The the assessments are really kind of a general option to do a
lot of a lot of effort. You can run around and get
yourselves into a lot of trouble under a very reasonable banner
because you are assessing things and a type 5 is one in
particular. Yeah, it's just I I've
identified this individual and we're just going to data mind,
data warehouse and we're going to you know collect on this,
this individual and it's just a an unlimited.
What is the stated purpose of the type 5?
What is the stated purpose that they have?
I'm trying to remember because I didn't use as much but my my
recollection was. I approved a Type 5, but if if
memory serves and you know, I'm sure there's somebody in sect
deal, correct me, but it's, you know, it's just to you know
identify potential threats streams.
I thought it was to identify potential sources.
Is that not right? What is the one that identifies
potential sources like? Looks for a pool of sources,
right? Type 5.
Yeah, yeah, to identify potential source but within the
threat screen. So your your data mining say,
well you technically you're not supposed to, but say you're data
mining, you know, for for you know the international DTO, drug
trafficking organisations, you know.
So that's your premise behind it.
Now you're in that threat stream, and now you can data
mine for individuals within that threat stream.
So we're talking to George Hill. He's a former NSA analyst.
He was a supervisory FBI intelligence analyst.
You could follow him at Senior Chief EXW on Twitter X, which is
where we normally do a lot of our work.
George worked with the Department of the Navy and also
with the United States Marine Corps, the Men's Department of
the Navy in the intelligence here he was a an NCIC at Gitmo.
He ran the Saudi intelligence unit there that was doing a lot
of interrogations. George is a really interesting
dude. He he came on to be unfriendly
with me. Today we're going to pivot to
the some other things I want to lock up.
The last little piece here you mentioned very sort of
flippantly that it was a couple 100,000 violations.
There were 300,000 violations or just shy of in one year.
They were actually over 3,000,000 violations determined
including in one single set. 19,000 donors to a single member
of Congress were swept up in one of these other things.
So folks, this is not a small problem.
When we sit here and we bang on the drug that spies a 702 is a
like existential threat to American Civil Liberties and the
ability to live freely without having the government spy on
you. It's literally that.
I want to talk about how it went from.
We're interested in Cold War actors, right?
Because that was the goal. That's what foreign It's
foreign, right, George, we heard them say that.
We heard. Thanks to John Cornyn, I
actually understand what that means now.
It means like people that are not USA, that's.
Right, but somehow it went from foreign intelligence which is
usually state actors, that's to say another country and their
Intel apparatus, to terrorist organisations FTO foreign
terrorist organisations. That's a different animal
altogether, almost always non state actors.
And then lastly we are now dealing with talk transnational
organised crime, also a non state actor and also not
involved in intelligence, at least not in the pure form of
it, certainly not for the reasons of statecraft.
They're out there trying to make money and do illicit activities.
So how do we pivot from doing foreign Intel to doing we're
going to stop fentanyl at the border and we need to have
intelligence on all Americans in order to do so.
How did that happen? Let me try to keep this short
and sweet so people don't start taken away by talked this during
your our very first meeting our first podcast.
I laid this out was that national security became to
protect the constitution and the continuity of the United States
to no American shall die. That happened on September 12th
2001. That was the beginning of it but
it is since it devolved into you know people who vote the wrong
way and and like you said international you know DTO's,
drug trafficking organisations and non state actors.
I'm not defending where we're going for the with the with the
FISA today, but there does need to be some changes because with
the we're seeing the the end of the Treaty of Westphalia and if
we actually did a global map right now we'd say that there is
a number of countries in name only that are really non
functioning countries and they're being run by mercenary
organisations, drug Lords, you know, blood diamonds, all that,
that sort of thing. So we do need some sort of
collection apparatus recognising that with the collapse of the
Soviet Union, the ending of the Treaty of Westphalia, the ending
of the Bretton Woods agreement from 1944, that the global
landscape has changed, but we. Lost George audio.
No, I got George audio. George, finish your thought.
I'll have you reboot cause I can't hear you again.
That's weird. So it's it's rife for misuse.
So do do we need something to to go after, you know, the
transnational organised crimes and drug trafficking
organisations? Absolutely.
But FISA is not the tool for this, and it's certainly not the
proper apparatus for the way that Barack Obama changed it on
his way out the door. And for whatever reason, I can
hear now, So I think I'm good. For whatever reason.
There's this, like, unbelievable amount of laziness that I keep
hearing that you can't go get a warrant for this stuff.
It's like it's not supposed to be easy.
It's actually supposed to be hard to go and collect on
Americans. That's literally the point of
our Constitution. I think you would agree with me
on that. And it seemed like the NSA
actually had that mindset, at least the way you've explained
it to me, and I have no reason to believe otherwise.
It's the fact that the FBI doesn't want to do the hard work
of going out, writing up real warrants, which, by the way,
doing the full FISA sucks. The guys who do it, the the
women who do it, the Intel analysts and the agents that are
involved in it, is not like their favourite game.
It's like you're going to be at your desk for the next couple of
weeks writing up the Woods file and writing up all the the
patterns of facts and you're going to go out there and send
it to an attorney, gonna send it back and say give me more crap
it's it doesn't weigh enough. As you said, we need more paper
and and so that's actually a fairly, you know, long process
and so it's supposed to let me. Give you.
Let me give you a great example of that and and sector, you'll
be able to figure out who I'm talking about.
I don't care. I love this.
There was a FISA on on on Catherine Sonara V There was no
evidence of her having any interaction with the Foreign
Terrorist Organisation. And I went to one of my
colleagues, A peer, and said, look, we need to, we need to not
renew this visa. If you want to continue
collecting on them, let's go with the title three or
something. And he said, and I quote Pfizer
is just so much easier. A Title 3 is a major undertaking
because of the legal ramifications of wiretapping
somebody on US soil. And just so you folks
understand, Title 3 is a big, big deal.
It costs a lot of money in man hours and resources and they got
to stand up. We had Title 3 rooms in every
single RA that I'm aware of, Even RA that wouldn't likely do
title threes because you've got to staff it.
You got to listen. You can't just collect things
randomly and not know what's going on.
Once you do, if you've ever seen the show The Wire and they've
really committed to doing a wire, it's like a big
undertaking. It's like, OK, well, we just get
off the next three months, the next 90 days or so, we are not
going to hang out with our families.
We're not going to have fun. It's, you know, 8 or 10 or 12
hour shifts and someone's always got to be sitting here listening
to this crap and minimising it. As we talked about with Steve
Friend, it's a big deal. FISA is a lot more casual
because it's for intelligence and it's not for criminal work.
And so you can listen to some and not listen to others and
they can get away with a lot more flippancy.
How interesting that the idea that a FISA, one of the most
invasive tools we have, is so much easier than doing what
we've had as a wiretap option for a very long time under U.S.
law. Right.
And the and the judge that you put in front of is gonna go good
to go. You're the FBI.
You wouldn't lie to me, would you?
You wouldn't change words on an email so that they mean exactly
the opposite of what it is in violation of.
Like maybe your bar agreements. You wouldn't do that.
You're an FBI lawyer. Over 70% of Americans don't
trust the FBI, but apparently 100% of all FISA court judges
do. That's going to be a new T shirt
for us folks. You heard it here first, that's
we'll have to boil that stat down.
But I think George is exactly correct and it's pretty gross.
I've actually got a number of stories that I was going to
cover down and we're going to talk about a few of them.
I think we're just brush right past the FISA talking points
which was a nauseating coverage. What I what I mentioned folks,
the the was the DNA that put that out.
Was that right, George? ODI?
Yes, yeah. I mean the the fact that they
had to put out. Like a talking points.
List a fact sheet in FA Q's talking point sheet.
Just disgusting. Well, they missed the last one
which would have said and many other points as well, which
would have covered all the lies that we basically saw in there.
Kind of fun. I've got a bunch of these things
I think we're going to skip over folks if you're not paying
attention to what's happening. We talked about a little bit
earlier about the second we're talking about Liberty.
So that's kind of important. The Supreme Court declined to
pick up the the case that was in they did not issue a preliminary
injunction for the assault weapon ban that was going on or
the request to stop it in Illinois.
So those of you are in Illinois still behind enemy lines.
I'm sorry, you live in Indian country and act accordingly.
Just remember the number of states that you can carry a
firearm of any kind, you know, without the government
permission as long as you're not a bitch is all of them.
You can actually do that. Like you just may be
infiltration of some federal law or some state law.
But I just I have such a problem with us infringing on the
similarities. I want to pull up this thing
from Victor Davis Hanson. Yeah, that's the story right
there. So anyway, Fox News did a quick
cover on it and essentially all they said was there's no
injunction. It sucks Supreme Court didn't do
it. My buddies who are gun lawyers
have opinions about this which are not positive about the
SCOTUS by the way. But what I want to do is I want
to bring up this discussion. Victor Davis Hanson, who is a
great thinker and I haven't asked you, but I imagine you
probably appreciate him as well. George did a story on his
personal little sub stack. This was dated from yesterday
and it's Civilization versus the new nihilists.
And so if we can talk about this just a little bit briefly, this
is kind of I'm going to skim it folks and give you kind of the
highlights of it. But it's worth your time.
VDH is a great thinker and one of those people who sort of lays
out the the problems in very simple formats.
He's a very smart guy who's able to break difficult concepts down
into easy, digestible pieces. I've mentioned in a long form
that it's my belief that leftism, right now, progressive
leftism is in fact a religion. And he's actually arguing that
it's more the ideology and it's it's it's nihilism.
So I would call it progressive leftism, but that is in fact
nihilism. He says nihilism is the religion
of the left. So I think we're saying the same
thing with different words. Anarchy is now the core of the
new Democratic Party. And that to me means also that
we're talking about the fact that they don't seem to have to
agree with each other, with their weird things that they are
trying to progress down the line.
He says the radical left wish to alter the demography of the
United States. They could have expanded legal
immigration, They could have used legislation or used the
courts. But like George and I just said,
we literally just talked about this.
That's too hard. And so they went the easy route.
It's kind of interesting there. They rule by Fiat.
They ended the wall. They started like they just
invited people to surge the border.
I'm going to hit a couple points and I'm get your reflections on
it, George. Same applies to crime, which I
think actually we're we're talking about this in the same
way in the old days, liberals gave light sentences to
criminals or reduced the bail. Today left his prosecutors just
don't seek bail and they just choose not to prosecute.
They hardly prosecute theft or random assaults, which has
predictable results when they're arrested.
They released the same day. This all is part of the plan to
destroy the Body of America jurisprudence.
You've seen a lot of this stuff happen, George, both from an
intelligence perspective and then working for theoretically A
nominally law enforcement agency.
What were they? What are we doing?
Is that is that is he right? Is it nihilistic?
Is that what's going on as far as ideology that you see?
100% it. It absolutely is a form of
nihilism. That's why I refer to people who
embrace climate change as climate pagans.
Essentially, they either worship the earth God Jia or they just.
You know, they're just out to destroy everything.
Well, that's their unintended consequence.
But The thing is, we're talking about people who by and large do
not believe in God and they believe in their heart that this
is as good as it's ever going to get.
And that's why they fight so hard for this, this craziness,
for for the the, the, the right to to use a girls room, the
right to, for a man, to just, you know, swim in and female
events. If you don't believe in God and
you believe this is all you've got, that you've got somewhere
between 70 and 83 years on this earth, you've got to fight like
hell to have as good a time as possible.
Because after this it's over. Yeah, it's a fundamentally not
fun thing to think about. I guess that's why there there's
no hope involved in that then, is there?
And and that's why don't care about children, I suppose.
No, no. That's why.
You know, they're they're they're they're hopelessly,
hopelessly selfish and and nihilist.
Because this is it. This is as good as it gets.
Is there something I don't remember this ever being the
case, but like something between the advent of social media and
the advent of this weird trans agenda has made more narcissists
apparent to me than ever in my life, at least the second half
of my life I'm seeing like this massive swing upward, like a
parabolic arc upward of narcissism.
And it actually is very similar to what you just said as far as,
like, optimising your time here. Like hedonism, I guess is
probably another synonym. For yeah, I mean, look, when
Facebook first came out, remember people posting?
I'm at the airport. Oh, this is my dinner.
Oh, I mismatched my socks today. You know, this, this, this, this
electronic self absorption has progressed well beyond what it
was 20 years ago with Myspace and Facebook to, you know, then
15 years ago people were making memes like hey, you know, you
don't have to post that, you're at the airport, you know, you
know. People who are going to receive
you are going to receive you in real life.
And the people that don't know don't care.
I used to say this and this is funny and we're going to put
over, I'm going to do a sponsor ad in just a second here because
they actually asked me something about Facebook and they wanted
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And I'm like, I think 50 people follow me there.
So it's probably not worth your time.
It's probably a total joke to play that game, but it's very
interesting. It was obvious to me and maybe
2005, that the danger of Facebook, which has been shown
to have a lot of nastiness for people's mental health, was that
people were presented the curated life that they wished
other people to think they had, but not the one they actually
had. And then when they didn't live
up to their own standards, they were really disappointed.
And so they were miserable. A lot of them were miserable.
And that was pretty obvious from from, like I said, that goes
back 20 years for me, which is I had a Facebook for a few minutes
when I was in college. You literally had to havea.edu
after your email address in order to sign up.
And then I was like, yeah, this sucks.
I don't want it. I filtered it down.
The funny story, which you will actually appreciate in a way
that a few others will. When I showed up at the Bureau,
somebody had done a dive on me to figure out who's coming to
the squad. You know how you do.
You're like, who's this new guy coming out of Quantico?
Who's this new analyst or agent, you know, What are they about?
And somebody found my Brothers Joking Facebook page that he
created, which was known as The Legend of Kyle Seraphin.
It was a fan page of me that he did with poorly photoshopped
stuff, like me shooting a panda that was me at like a gun range.
And then he photoshopped me in front of a panda and then it was
like me swinging on a vine in Hawaii.
And he Photoshopped me hanging out of a Black Hawk and a bunch
of other silly shit too. And so we did all this nonsense.
And as we did it, my colleagues are like, so what's going on?
The legend? And I'm like and like, and and
this joke is like 10 years old minimum.
At this point. I have no idea what they're
talking about. And they're like, yeah,
endangered species, my ass, huh? And I'm sitting here and I'm
like, I've heard that before, but I don't know why.
Like, is it a movie? And they're like, they're all
laughing about it. To the point.
So one of the guys, like, he's not, he's not getting this.
And they're like, show him the page.
And I pull it up and I'm like, son of a bitch.
And they go, what's that? I go, that's my youngest brother
or my middle brother playing a joke that's over a decade old.
And he doesn't even know it's up.
Now I got to call him and tell him to pull that down and he had
a big laugh about it. He's like I love that the FBI
was the only people that found my fan page and it literally he
he he launched the day that I went on Facebook.
I'm like, I'm no longer on Facebook it's 2006 or five or
whatever it was and I'm done And he was like an honour of Kyle
leaving Facebook. I'm creating this fan page and
here he is and like you can follow the legend here or
whatever he posted like a couple of and then he got bored of it
like anybody what it was like it was not very funny and it was
you know I don't he wasn't very good at Photoshop so it wasn't
very good. But anyway the idea that you
would go and do that then really obvious to me.
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and I forgot that he has, like the he's got the the vaccine.
I was like, you know, I don't wanna have to just eat, um, you
know, vaccinated steaks. You have to cook them.
Well, well done. And I like my steaks a little
bit more rare. And I don't know if it was the
cannibalism part or the vax part but that wasn't, that didn't go
over as well as I thought. Sometimes our humour doesn't
land, George. We're just we're not for
everybody. Not all the time.
It's an acquired taste. I had.
I had a female friend of mine say that Georgia is like
anchovies. You know the little hard to take
it 1st, but once you develop a taste form, you can't get enough
of the little blankers. That's disgusting.
My wife eats ants, joeys. I still can't figure it out.
She's got that Italian blood. She's from New York, so that's
like a thing for her. But so you mentioned the, the
fun thing about climate Pagans. You talked about how these
people have no sense of God. How about the backswing that's
happening yesterday? We showed some stuff on the
show, and I don't know if you caught it, but we showed up.
People that were on the road, they getting run over.
Nobody wants to get stopped in a George Floyd right anymore.
That's not going to play. This story came out.
It was in Catholic Votes loop this morning.
I thought it was very fun. If you'll bring up the the
Catholic Vote story. There's something about the the
the title here that just makes me happy.
Man beheads Satan statue at Iowa Capital.
Not all heroes wear capes. I feel like this might be your
spirit animal, George, that this is a guy that you would have
gotten along with. We don't always love military
officers because not all officers kind of like play off
the same shoot, amuses us. But this guy went you know what,
not today Satan literally and beheaded a statue, knocked it
down and was charged with fourth degree criminal mischief for his
troubles. You want to talk about kind of
what you see the backswing coming down?
Because I do think more and more people are getting fed up with
this crap. Argue that you know Satanism is
a religion and religion is protected under the First
Amendment. But at the risk of sounding like
a leftist, you know, there are some limitations.
You know, for example, First Amendment regarding free speech.
If you're actually calling out loud for the the killing of of
someone you know you've you've crossed a line.
And since we have no mores or in this country any longer, you
know that would just say, you know what, this is bullshit.
Get it out of here. You know, they're gonna cry.
All this is, you know, First Amendment protected.
You know, it's free speech, freedom of religion, you know,
and this is what happens when we have to rely on law to say this
is bullshit, you know, that we have to rely on law to say you
know what, we're not having a 40 year old guy dressed in a dress
go into the girls room. This, this, this is just, you
know, I'm old enough to remember, you know, all my aunts
and uncles were all raised during the depression.
Almost every single one of them fought in the Second World War.
You know, I can picture my godfather just grabbing somebody
by the scruff of the neck and tossing him out of the bathroom
if that had happened to one of his daughters.
Oh yeah, you know, maybe back in the 60s or 70s and not a word
would have been said. Yeah everyone have been like
yeah obviously. Here's the thing I'm not saying
this guy didn't commit a crime cause obviously I don't think
he's saying that either. That's hence the not all heroes.
I keep telling people we're gonna have to get comfortable
with being uncomfortable and if that means a breaking of a
property crime law which doesn't seem to be that big of a deal,
they seem to like just wipe all those away in the BLM riots.
So hey, if the guy's going to go to yeah did he get charged with
a fourth degree misdemeanour. He did 4th degree criminal
mischief he was charged as as appropriate.
The guys name is Michael Cassidy from Mississippi.
Why he was in Iowa, I don't know, but he decided to go and
attack the satanic temples, little demonstrations, like this
weird little altar. There's a whole picture on it.
Go to Catholic vote. You guys can check it out,
actually read it or make sure you're signed up for the Loop,
but it's very fun. It's like, yeah, he's like, OK,
this is trash. I'm not allowed to do this, but
I'm gonna do it anyway. And the consequences, that used
to be called civil disobedience. And The funny thing about
speech, when you start breaking the speech, Lazar, it's like,
yeah, there's going to be consequences.
So what? Like, OK, I I'm willing to
accept that. Why?
Because I'm making a statement, and the statement didn't hurt
any person. It hurt some things.
And those things turned out to be representation of actual
abject evil, which we've all agreed upon is pretty dangerous
to play with. You know the fact that it may be
a quote unquote religion according to the state.
So what? He's going to take the
consequences. This goes back to denialism that
you were just talking about. And VDH wrote in his in his Sub
Stack piece, which is that everything is OK in pursuit of
my happiness, my truth. No, everything is not OK.
You know, I took one socialism class because I have social, not
socialism, sociology, social sciences class in college
because I had to. And that's where I learned about
mores and folkways. We don't, you're not allowed.
We don't have those anymore. We don't police ourselves
anymore. You know, you on yesterday's
podcast, you were showing videos of people being hit by cars and
things of that nature. But this a lot of people in our
country, they don't live in the same world that you and I dilute
live in. They don't live in the real
world. Another example, I was in the
gym the other week and me and another retired police officer
were talking about a douche bag and this.
And it wasn't even this other, wasn't even the douche bag we
were talking about, he says. You talking about me?
And the retired police officer said shut the fuck up.
We're not even you're not in this conversation, you know, and
and I, I, I said, hey dude, I said, you know these people
don't live in the real world. Like there's there's no
consequence to sitting behind a keyboard talking shit.
That's right. Well you know what?
My buddy Adam Coleman said it today on Twitter and he sent me
his tweet and he's 100% right. The people that are willing to
sit in the middle of traffic, link arms and block regular hard
working people from getting to a job have the ultimate form of
privilege. Apparently a privilege of not
having a job and being able to sit there and not knowing that
being 5 minutes late because some asshole was sitting on the
freeway is a good enough excuse. How many jobs have you showed up
to? If you showed up 10 minutes late
where they be? Like where the hell were you and
you go, oh, there was a bunch of people sitting on the freeway.
They were protesting Israel's fighting in Gaza and they would
go. You should have left earlier
like you're still late. My my clock doesn't start
because you're late. That's your problem.
That's not a me problem like. I spent 26 years in uniform.
If you're not 10 minutes early, you're late.
That's. Right.
And if somebody, regardless of somebody, sitting in the middle
of the road. Doesn't matter.
Now all the gate the the line at the gate was backed up Sir.
So that's why I couldn't get here on time.
That's why I couldn't get in from base housing.
It's like little. Basement.
But they don't live in the real world.
There are no consequences for their nihilism because they
could just do it on the keyboard.
And they get instant. They get the dopamine hit, they
get instant affirmation. And then they go out and try to
engage with people who are trying to go to work, pay taxes,
raise a family and and and then they're shocked at how this
happened. Someone, someone hit me with
that? Number.
Someone hit me with a with a Dodge Ram.
Draws the the the femur sticking out of his thigh, You know, I
mean. Not real world people.
Speaking of not real world consequences, how about this
one? Cause I think this is actually
gonna touch you pretty good. Can you go to the ABC article
about Charles Mcgonigal? You're probably following the
story a little bit. George Charles Mcgonigle, FBI, a
counterintelligence chief. He was the special Agent in
charge of counterintelligence for the New York field office.
Pretty arguably, and I think accurately, the most important
Special Agent in Charge job in the entire FBI New York and
Washington DC basically go back and forth between it.
Boston may make an argument, but this guy had the job for CIA in
the FBI, took at least $225,000 from sanctioned individuals, and
he just received a 50 month sentence of which he'll serve
maybe 50%, maybe 60% based on the First Step Act because this
is the first time he's ever committed a crime.
It just turned out that his crime was receiving a bunch of
money. But they also paid tribute to
his extraordinary contribution in the counter espionage
operations on behalf of our country and noted the
extraordinary seriousness of choosing to work for Olag
Deripaska. Can you make any of this make
sense for me, or is this are we just living in the Upside Down?
Oh no, we're definitely through the looking glass.
We are absolutely on the other side of the looking glass here
on the interview you had with his ex Paramore or girlfriend, I
can't remember was so eye opening.
I mean this guy, you know, he must have been actually been
shocked that he got fifty months because he clearly thought.
His attorneys asked for zero. They asked for probation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like we were talking
about before we went live in mitigation, he made these cases
and you know, brought priests and tranquilly to our country.
You know, that's probably, you know, where where they went.
I wasn't in the courtroom, but it doesn't surprise me.
Let me read you his statement because this is my favourite.
Speaking of in mitigation, this is a quote from Mcgonagall in
this article. It says I committed a felony and
as a former FBI special Agent it causes me extreme emotional and
physical pain. I stand before you today with a
deep sense of remorse and also possibly as much as $2,000,000
stashed away per my girlfriend. What in the actual hell like it
it it causes him remorse that he did the felony or that he got
caught for the felony, you think?
He got caught and. How is he not in the cell that
that Hanson used to be in? Because I think we used to take
guys like this and put them in Super Max, did we not?
I'd be happier if he was in Jeffrey Epstein's cell.
I mean it is in New York, so spicy.
You know, you know we should explain for your audience it
mitigation is a common terminology that the FBI uses
when they put out the the Darwin Awards also known as the OPM
report of violations being committed by FBI employees.
Where there would be a narrative where the FBI would have an
opportunity to say, well in mitigation, you know George did
you know he got X number of awards or something like that.
So it's it's a infamous phrase that the FBI is to say you know
what, in mitigation we know we shot that guy, but it was a
really tight group. Let me Yeah, that that's a good
version of it. I think another version would
be, you know, George Hill is being reprimanded because he was
fondling the busty women and he was using his hands on them in
inappropriate ways. But in mitigation, he's always
had a very firm handshake and people, you know, who work for
him thought that that was one of his sort of standout qualities
is that he, his grip was solid. Like that's that's kind of like
how silly some of these things it'll be like, oh, this guy was
an asshole and he beat up his wife.
But in mitigation, he's been a good employee for 25 years and
you're like, yeah, but was he beating his wife for all 25
years? Or is it like, is he just said
he got caught? That's what this guy sounds like
to me. It's unbelievable that fifty
months is what was coming up. By the way.
He's also getting a delayed turn in.
So just remember meeting with an FBI informant can get you
basically the rest of your life in prison.
If it was about January 6th stuff.
But taking a quarter of $1,000,000 that was documented
in a brown paper bag while you were the top counterintelligence
by in the FBI field office. And then New York.
We'll get you delayed. Turn in.
He has to turn himself in by February.
He's got another case in DC. So we'll see how that goes.
I imagine that we'll we'll see concurrent sentencing, whatever
it is, he'll serve all the time at the same time for the
different crimes. Just like, I don't get it.
I'm. I'm actually flabbergasted by
this stuff because you'd think that there was at least one guy
you'd want to go and crush down and say this dude is a bad
example, this guy we're going to try to show how fair minded we
are. This was in the New York
circuit, folks. The DC Circuit is coming.
I guess we'll see what happens. Very, very weird.
We'll probably get back here in just one second.
Let's talk about, let's talk about one last little kind of
ugly thing. I'll get George fired up about
this one. This is a new Hallmark movie
that came out. Catholic Vote covered this as
well. New Hallmark movie pushes the
LGBTQ agenda. We've got a little clip here or
a little. We've got a little piece that
the headline comes from Women's world as part of Yahoo Life.
If you want to bring that one up there, right Christmas on Cherry
Lane. Apparently you guys don't need
it. Yahoo calls it everything you
need to know about Hallmark star studded holiday ROM com.
George is going to go and vomit quietly into a paper bag before
we get him to comment on it. But love is in the air this
season and you can find it on the Hallmark Channel with tonnes
of movies lining up the 2023 countdown to Christmas,
including Christmas on Cherry Lane with a star studded cast.
It's old fashioned Christmas cheer with a gay couple who has
been thrilled to opportunity to grow their family and either
adopt or create a baby with a surrogate.
And they're very handsome gay men who are known for other
things. They've been in other movies.
They've got pretty ladies Catholic vote wanted us to know
that you can probably just pass it.
It's a same sex maybe marriage but one of the guys is actually
in a same sex marriage in real life.
So he's actually playing himself and it is a an opportunity to
grow the family that is that is both heartwarming and classical.
The people who praised it said the best part about his
particular performance is authentically queer content.
Um, how do you feel about authentically queer content
around the holidays? Is that what you guys are
watching in the Hill House? No.
Why not George you? Bigot.
Yeah. They're not, you know, they're
not talking about the the two men who were in the same sex
marriage who adopted those two young boys that were trafficking
in them out. They were just sentenced.
If you, if you look at the data for same sex couples and child
abuse, it is exponentially worse than traditional married
families, male and female. Why Hallmark would choose to
embrace this? They continue to spiral down.
Um, you know it just it's I I don't.
All that I can chalk it up to is is is a form of virture
signalling say, you know, along the nihilism line of look what?
Look, what I am so flexible and incapable of embracing as
normal. It's what I talked about before
the erasure, racial erasure of more ways, more raise and
folkways that everything is OK and and now they want to lash
this sort of thing up to the birth of Jesus Christ.
And it's just it's disgusting. It is disgusting.
You're not anti gay marriage. You've said that to me before.
And why is that exactly? Misery loves company.
My wife doesn't watch this podcast, so you're saying pretty
safe. Yeah, Mark, safe for for for
content there. So you believe that everybody
has an equal right to be miserable Being married?
I think that's. I do.
That's like an old. Married person thing to say.
I would be lost without my wife in life and and maybe you would
too. But there is something funny
about hearing people say why. Why should we limit them?
They should have equal opportunity.
I think that's really funny. And also security.
I mean, you know what I mean. I support, you know, people's
right to live their life, you know, within the confines of law
and and and a decent society. The way that they choose where
we run into issues is, is them forcing their lifestyle on us
and then demanding and cutting us off from whether it be
finances or work or whatever. If you don't embrace their idea
of the world that that's where I take an issue with, I'm old
enough to remember, live and let live.
And they won't allow that. And they just keep on shock.
Not just don't just shove it down your throat, but they
demand that you not just say the words, but embrace in your heart
that this is normal, this is natural, This is correct.
You have no right to tell me what what's in in my.
Heart Facebook narcissism. We we talked about it just
earlier, but that's what it is. It's like not only must you
consume the content of my life, but you also must celebrate it.
You must give me a like, which by the way if you're watching on
Rumble right now, you should give us a like.
If you're not watching on rumble.com/kyle Serafin, what
the hell are you doing? Get over here and join us.
OK. Let me tell you something that I
think is very funny and I think that you can appreciate this.
I don't think I've shared this this personal Kyle Serafin
thought. I've shared this with a number
of my buddies who are FBI agents still that still are in camp and
get it and they they now run around and operate under this
mentality. The danger and I think we saw
this during the monkey pox outbreak when there was like
there was a dog in France that was the first dog to catch
monkey pox. And they were like what we Co
sleep with the dog but like you know, no funny bit has happened
and you're like really we're pretty sure we know how this
gets transmitted and I'm fairly confident that you went over
there and you tried to diddle your dog.
My my theory is this the the danger and this is a legitimate
comment but it's also kind of funny the legitimate danger.
Like, I don't hear a lot of problems with lesbian couples
other than that the couple that drove all their kids off the
side of the road and the Cliff in California, that was pretty
disturbing. That's that's a very, very rare
thing. The danger with men is that men
are infinitely more sexual creatures, or at least
infinitely more aggressive sexually than I think most women
are. That's maybe changing a little
bit. But for the most part, that's
pretty true. And So what I would say is this.
And everybody who's married, You guys can put it in the comments
below if you disagree with me. The funniest thing for me to
think about is the problem with gay marriage.
Not that they're married, I don't really care.
But the the the sexual expression of it is 2 gas pedals
and no break. There's nothing to slow it down,
man. It's like that's a really good
idea. We should do that and be like,
yeah, we could also do this. It's like, hey, what if we did
this and then you got two dudes in the relationship?
That changes the dynamic fundamentally to the point where
there's no one there that's got like the safety outlet that goes
like hey, we should probably turn off the road here and stop.
This is getting weird. It's like, no, no, we're pushing
all the way through. And then you end up with, I
don't know, a Satanic Temple in the middle of the the, the, the
Assembly in Iowa. Yeah, I'd be surprised if if the
majority of people in this country even know what morays
and folkways are. Sure not.
And and and just say, you know what?
That shit just doesn't fly here. Just stop.
That's not that's not how a lady behaves.
Not it's not how a gentleman behaves.
That's just wrong and but we can't say that anymore.
And so we got satanic temples. We got satanic temples.
I'm gonna give you one last piece of outrage.
Then I got a funny video. Folks.
We're going a little bit long, but I'm having fun with it, so I
hope you don't mind last little piece here.
This is a multi year old article.
This was written in. When was this written?
2018 under the Trump Presidency. But I think it's still good.
One of my buddies sent me to this.
I I read it and I was like, oh, of course, Ryan, we bring up
Please don't wish me a Merry Christmas.
It's impolite and it alienate me to assume the religion.
Apparently, if you are like this particular lady whose name is
Julia Iofi, wishing her a Merry Christmas actually makes her
feel extra lonely during Christmas.
Now she celebrates Christmas sometimes, and she had family
members that had to celebrate New Years as Christmas under the
Soviet Union, which was a secular holiday.
But as a Jewish person, she really has a problem with you
assuming that she also might celebrate Christmas the way that
this country often does, The fact that you have it, you know,
I'm assuming she works on December 25th.
She goes to work like every other day and she doesn't get
festive. However, she's got a major
problem if you wish it to her because it's just mean.
Every time she hears the the the Christ part in it, it makes her
angry. She really has a big problem
with this article. You guys can go find this it's
an old Washington Post article you can find it on archive dot
pH if you want to go look for it there.
It's very off putting to be wished a Merry Christmas if you
don't celebrate that actual holiday per her.
Ryan and I had kind of a funny conversation about this as I was
putting it into the the show today.
And the idea is I guess we're supposed to know what religion
is by the way she walks around. Perhaps she's wearing like self
identified signs that let everyone know that she's Jewish.
I don't know. Like how do you know when
someone's Jewish? I thought America just kind of
yeah, isn't that the live and let live.
We just kind of go like, yeah, whatever dude.
Like Merry Christmas, happy holidays.
That used to be the thing And then we got away from the
Christmas. I think it's coming back.
The war on Christmas continues to be a Fox News talking point.
Are you a Merry Christmas, a happy holidays or a Bah humbug.
All the. Time there's The reason for this
season is the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Period. Stop.
It's Merry Christmas. Not there's Happy New Year.
I remember when Don Imus, God rest his soul.
You know when people say, well, have a good day.
Like don't tell me to have a good day.
It was funny. I mean, it was if if you knew,
listen to Don Imus back in the day you knew the stick, you
know. But now people are doing it for
real. Don't tell me to have a Merry
Christmas. Just smile politely and walk
away. That's when a lady or gentleman
does, You know, you just say, OK, thank you very much.
You know, you just go on. You know, if a Jew says to me
happy Hanukkah, good for them. You know I'm happy that they're
celebrate. You're not outraged and offended
and and you don't feel lonely that you don't have a festival
of life happening at your house. No, I don't.
You know, if you want to celebrate Kwanzaa, good for you.
So whatever you know, makes you, you know, feel good as a person
and and is not causing harm to other people, you know and and
you're just expressing out loud their happiness that it's
Hanukkah or Kwanzaa or whatever, good for you.
I'm glad that there's some joy in your life.
You know, I I don't understand. I I I'm mystified.
And furious. You're always angry.
Why are you the most angry? Suspendable.
Wrap it up on that and I'm gonna play a video for people.
Um. Is it just age?
It is here. No, no, seriously, I'm not
angry. I I think I'm more saddened that
our size society has become so coarse and we're seeing the very
fabric of our society, society being torn apart consciously by
design. And I'm saddened that that this
may be my legacy. You know, after 26 years in
uniform then I'm going to leave the country.
Worse off when I check out then when I checked in.
You said it. I've said it.
Carreto Boyle said it. I think a lot of veterans now
have that sense, like if they could do it again and they knew
where it was going to end, they might make a different choice.
The sad thing is, is that none of us are.
None of us would be the people we are without this kind of
stuff. It's kind of sad to think about
that. OK, let's talk about the
conscious destruction here. It's called Bionomics,
apparently. I've been finding out that Biden
Nomics. I don't know what it means, but
it means something like this. I think this is from Babylon B
Ryan, you got video number one. I think George will appreciate
this. The persnickety Ness of this
particular comic representation. This is a deep fake, folks.
I'm not claiming it. Don't Fact Check me.
Don't put some context on Twitter about it.
I understand. This is probably not Joe Biden.
Probably not, but I'm not saying it's not how he feels.
Let's run video #1. Welcome to the prices rising
where you guess how much the cost of common household goods
has changed during my payments. Because guess what?
It's working. Anyway, let's let's see our next
item. First item.
Oldest embraced three years ago and you could get that for a
dollar. How much do you think they cost
now? $5.15 Cryptkeeper. $8.40.
$10.60. But let's see, the actual price
$8.44 chip is correct. Wait wait, there just went up to
the 1060. Now me is right.
Yeah. I love you.
That makes this wacky. Why do you keep saying that?
Who are you whispering to? Come on man, what's the prices
are coming down? None of this makes any sense.
Everyone is getting poorer because of your policy.
That that's a bunch of the war comma Malarkey will hunt,
Richard. I got 10% for the big guy, and
Solinsky got much richer. That's how much I sent to
Ukraine 40. Billion. 80 billion, I don't
know. And Infinity.
Billion. Dollars.
I'm still sending them more, so Chief is the closest without
going over. How are you even hosting this
show right now? Well, that's it for today's
episode of Jeopardy. I'm Joe Biden reminding you to
get your transsexual transmission transition.
Transition is gender Athletes Spade and neuter act before they
compete in female sports. What's he talking?
About. You.
I don't disagree with them. It's like a hysterectomy.
I think it's more of a disadvantage.
Because they stick to your legs from the run.
We choose truth over facts. It's truth over facts, George.
What do you think is that? Is that how that works these
days? It's not working, man.
Nobody's nobody's buying the buying Nomics thing anymore
because it's kind of like your social justice warriors getting
hit by cars. You know, people can see the
reality and reality is getting more and more painful,
unfortunately for a lot of people.
And sad. It is sad.
I hope you tell people what you're gonna be doing after
this. You gonna do a play carrier
walk? I think I might take the plate
carrier out for a little walk. It always turns heads because at
my ripe old age I don't really turn heads anymore.
But the plate carrier? Does.
And that's mostly because when you wear a plate carrier, you
don't believe that a plate carrier is the only accessory
that goes along with that particular type of thing you
describe. Yourself walking not.
But unfortunately, here in the Democratic Socialist People's
Republican Massachusetts, I can't even put a standard size
capacity magazine in it or carry a rifle.
So yeah. But normally that's your move is
rifle plate carrier. Grouchy grass.
The grass. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Folks, this is George Hill.
You guys could follow him at Senior Chief EXW.
And then he's complicated because he was an Intel guy for
a long time and he's used to living multiple lives.
So if you go to True Social, you'll find him at Jarhead
George. He's search band from what I can
tell. Where he's not popular enough
down there, you have to actually type in the whole damn thing to
get it to pop up. But you'll see a smiling face
from the police state movie. George, Anything else wild
coming up that you want to promote?
Anything you're doing speaking or anything like that?
No, not really. Got a couple of scuba diving
trips planned for later or earlier on in 2024, but.
Send us pictures. Ryan always tells me that you're
a deep sea diver. It makes me laugh.
He was like, is this guy a deep sea diver?
Is he friends of George? And I'm like, I don't know that
George calls himself that, but deep sea diver George, thanks
for joining us today. Really appreciate you, buddy.
Appreciate your perspective on 702.
Hopefully that was illuminating to those of you who are out
there watching it. And also, like I said, follow
George. We'll put his names in the show
notes. You guys know how to find him at
Jarhead George and at Senior Chief EXE will probably break
away from that. Let's keep the the the
suspendable sort of theme going. The dash suspend tables.com.
The dash suspendable.com. You guys can go there and you
can find the merch like you saw George wearing.
He was wearing the T shirt and wearing the last line strength
shirt. This is Garrett Boyles
sweatshop. Make it so folks.
There's a Zelinsky special talking about giving money to
Ukraine. If you guys need to go beg for
money, you should wear a Zelinsky special.
It's got the badge in the middle just like you saw the Ukrainian
Trident thing. Whatever the hell that is in OD
green. It's the only way to go.
Beg for money from either Congress or your parents or
people who are Democrats that want to give you money obviously
to fund your war efforts. Definitely check out the Put the
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I won't vote for me. I think that's ridiculous.
Think Mark almost went to prison over it.
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No big deal. That's not that big a deal.
Mark almost lost his entire freedom.
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prioritise these. Looks like Lou says my
favourite. Guys, thanks for all you do with
the heart emoji. We appreciate you, Lou.
Christopher WTC 007 Satanic Temple.
Destruction breaking free speech laws.
Hell yes, I'm into that one too. That sounds pretty good.
And our boy Tack P, who I talked to on the phone yesterday on a
call in said there's going to be an awful going to be a lot of
authentically queer content in hell when Jesus comes.
That's pretty dark. I'll take it.
We'll accept it. We'll allow it.
Justices Blonde George, please let me ghost write a book for
you so I can have a front row to hear all of your stories.
That's pretty amusing. What did FBI Panty Raid have to
say? I couldn't see it.
Sarah fans want your Christmas album?
Silencer night away in a magazine on all I want for
Christmas is another AR15. We'll see next year.
Maybe the The Sustentables Christmas album.
That's really good stuff. Let's see here We got SACOM 9475
throwing out saying anyone want a good history on how the NSA
collection started and how it went dark.
Watched the Bill Binney, a good American documentary.
It's eye opening furious when you hear how the NSA went on
full data collection mode. Anything else major in there
that we needed to see? Tap is gung ho.
Yeah, not who. Yeah, but we said who.
Yeah, about 8 times. Cup of Joe.
What was that? Let's pray for all those who
have deliberately committed the sin of scandal as paragraph 2284
in the catechism calls it, that they truly repent of their sins.
That's a fairly thing. And then there was one last
question George, maybe you'll be able to jump on here.
How many hops or degrees of separation could capture all
Americans? Or is too already essential?
Is that enough to essentially capture all people?
What do you think? How many?
How many hops of separation do we need, George?
Maybe one more. Maybe.
One more You could probably get the whole country, you know.
And so, you know, once the FBI embraces artificial
intelligence, well, Skynet is active.
That's good to go. Yeah.
Remember, that's why you have to be the resistance.
That's the real resistance. That John Connor resistance
folks. Scary stuff.
I guess nobody watched Terminator growing up.
Alright, we're going to say bye to George.
Thanks buddy. I really appreciate it.
I'm going to say that my last thank you is to our review on
Apple. We've got a good one today from
the five Star review vault. This one is coming from JDK SKT
N. That probably means something.
I'm sorry I missed it. I don't know what is my new
favourite 5 stars. Since I've only just started
listening to your show, I've gone back to the very beginning
and I'm listening to every episode back to back while I
work. You will surely be insane at the
end of all this. I work a minimum of 12 hours a
day and I listen to past podcast probably eight of the 12 hours.
Yeah, JD is going to be fully nuts, but we appreciate the
radicalization. Thanks for what you do.
Flipping on the lights so we can see the cockroaches scurry.
I hope today was one of those episodes for you, JD that you're
able to see a little bit of the scurrying the At least we know
what they're doing. They're going to continue.
It looks like Joe Biden's going to sign this NDA and allow the
7:02 to continue for months and maybe maybe longer.
But at least you guys will know what they're doing.
Yeah. So thanks so much for joining us
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