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a deal to get out of whatever punishment might be coming his
way. And he said, Nope, I'm not
guilty and trusted both in God and in the jury of his peers.
Something that's kind of difficult to do, honestly,
having a lot of faith in our judicial system.
That's why we kind of trust in God and not in man.
Anyhow, we're going to be bringing on Mark out very
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Ladies and gentlemen, I think you guys are really going to
enjoy this. I've been looking forward to it,
mostly because I'm holding on to his award.
It's sitting on my desk. We're going to bring on my
Catholic Hero of the Year 2023 Mark out.
And we're going to have a little conversation about his run for
Congress. We're going to talk about who he
is. If you missed our previous
episode, we'll catch you all the way up.
Don't fear. And here he is, the man, the
myth, the legend. Mark out.
Welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show.
Hey, Kyle, it's good to be back with you on the show.
I am looking forward to this quite a bit and as I said, I've
got your trophy right here buddy.
So they they sent me this thing feels like it should say Mark,
it says Kyle. But if you guys, you know, if
you're in Texas, it's yours. Look, I'll tell you, we beat
Lila Rose in the semi finals. That was like that.
That was enough for me. So I was happy to that was give
you the the final victory there. I had a tougher bracket up front
because I was going against a professional baseball player.
Not that he did something so big, but his name.
But lap against Lyle Rose, that was a that was a solid bracket.
I thought she was going to wipe me out.
But at that point I that was like I I couldn't believe it.
I my people were exhausted after that.
I thinking, you know, no, you you deserve it, brother.
You deserve it. Well let me let me tell you why
I think it was it was always your your year last year because
what what you did was a bigger and and I told this to the
people at Catholic vote you. So we stood up in front of it.
First of all, I credit my wife and I was like, look, without a
wife. And I think you might agree as
well, if you don't have somebody in your corner, it's not going
to happen. And and it being doing the right
thing when you need to do it, it's very hard to be a man
standing alone, especially if your house is divided.
But you know, we lost the house, we lost a job.
Those are all replaceable pretty easily.
What you were looking down the barrel of to me was the biggest
because you were looking at basically losing your freedom.
And if you're looking at losing your freedom and you will to go
up against what we know is a corrupt justice system, that's
way scarier to me. That was that was my argument to
my audience. Like I said, they let me down.
I'm a little disappointed in them.
But that being said, why don't you tell people a little bit
about what that looked like? Let's tell people why they know
your name. Then we're going to talk a
little bit about more who you are and run for Congress.
Sure. So you know we're we're coming
upon the anniversary of the acquittal.
So this is the week I was in trial.
Last year. I was before a federal court
jury of my peers. Suppose the jury of my peers in
Philadelphia, facing 11 years in prison, $350,000 in fines, and
three years supervised probation against a Justice Department
that does not lose at the federal level, 98% conviction
rate. Hopefully preparing my heart to
go to prison for the life of freeborn children and and the
pro-life movement. And yeah we we were coming upon
a decision that would be my defining moment essentially in
my life and the government gave us a plea deal on January 6th of
all dates where we can walk away.
We could walk away and you know just go under a rock and hide
and be safe and and and not have any entanglements with the the
government. But we say we can't do that.
I I can't do that. I can't let down fellow
Americans, fellow First Amendment right holders, pro
lifers, all the things that this case law was, was was going to
kind of in Japan. And we said no, we have to do
it. We have to be all in.
We can't abandoned ship. And so we risked everything and
like you said, my wife was fully behind that and she said you go
do what you have to do. We got this.
And she said if you're going to take that free deal, don't even
bother coming home brother. That's what she told me.
So she empowered me. She emboldened me and we just
said we're all in. And so that was where we're at
at this time last year. It took two full days for the
jury to deliberate, but it was a full acquittal, unanimous
decision had to be that way. Otherwise we we would had a hung
jury and they would have tried this again.
If I took that plea deal, as you know I get a felony charge, they
would have put me away even longer the next time.
So that's kind of a catch 22 there, right?
And sounds like a good deal. But in reality they're going to
keep you on their watch list. They're going to come after you
again. And then Gus, if I'm going to
keep fighting the the good fight, I would have you know
myself in the crosshairs. If the Biden administration gets
re elected, you know they're going to keep coming after us as
pro-life 1st and 1st amendment right holders.
So we said we got to do this. We got to get case law on the
books. We got it.
Help versus the United States of America is now case law.
We can use it to protect sidewalk counseling, Pro-life
America. And you know, that was huge.
And then this year that we've been on, we decided that we
needed to take the fight to the government and now we sued them
and in November of this year for prosecutorial misconduct for
everything they did the the collusion with the state of
Pennsylvania, Philadelphia and all that was involved there,
that that put me in an indictment.
So that is a a big deal and we're going to hold the
government accountable for the good of America.
What did that deal look like that they dangled in front of
you and you know, you said that your your wife was behind you.
You didn't have to ever consider taking it, but what did it look
like and and how tempting it might have been to someone else?
Extremely tempting. In fact, my own lawyers told me
to take it. It's that it was that sweetheart
of a deal. It was no time.
I wasn't going to go to prison. It was no fine.
I was facing $350,000 in fines, 11 years in prison, and the
probation was zero to six months.
So I was facing three years supervised probation.
So essentially no time, no fine, no probation, just plead guilty
to the assault charge. And I said, well, I'm innocent
and I'm, I'm not guilty of this. I'm not going to say I'm guilty
when I'm not guilty. But I'll tell you, it's one of
those deals that the government was shocked that we didn't take
because everybody takes that deal because that's the deal you
want. You want to get out of jail free
and you want to go back to your life.
And you know what we said? You know what?
We're in this because, you know, we know that following Christ,
and this is, I'm a believer, right?
I'm a, I'm a faithful man that, that we are going to be
persecuted when you follow Jesus, right.
So to me, it wasn't a shock and I would, I would kind of
somewhat rejoice a little bit in my heart that I could suffer for
him. And so if you put me in prison,
not that I'm going to be happy about it, but there's a degree
of like spiritual joy that I would have knowing that I would
be suffering for Christ in a similar way as Saint Paul, Saint
Thomas, you know, St. Titus today, Saint Timothy, the
feast day where this interview, you know, Saint Peter, like
these are guys that that are my heroes.
So, you know, if I can walk that walk with them and and be a part
of that in solidarity, You know, I I was going to embrace that.
Again, I didn't want that, but I knew that my family would be OK
and that God would take care of. So my audience has slowly been
introduced to the concept and and I was introduced as I
started getting into the space about white martyrdom versus red
martyrdom. And I think it's such a, it's a
really important concept that has maybe lost a lot of
traction. People haven't seen it, but now
they're starting to understand it and we started seeing in the
last couple years. Do you want to talk about the
distinction there And and you know if you're not going to be a
white martyr, you're sure as heck not going to be a red
martyr, right. And maybe we can kind of break
that down for people and it's the small steps that kind of win
these little victories. Well, that's for sure.
The white martyrdom is, is, is dying to self.
And and that can be done every day.
You know, in your marriage as a family man, as an employee, you
die to what you want, right? So there's this degree of just
white martyrdom that that comes just on the everyday grind of
life and offering up uniting our suffering with Christ.
But in a in a more specific way, white martyrdom comes when
you're persecuted, you know, unjustly.
That's, that's really what we're talking about here.
When you're being calumniated, which is a big word, which means
when people lie about you to purposely ruin your reputation,
when you're unjustly persecuted because you're of your faith.
And now they say that martyrdom, the grace of martyrdom comes
when the moment of martyrdom comes.
You know that you'll be, God will give you that grace,
especially for the red Marta. But in truth, you have to be
working towards that every day of your life.
In other words, you just can't go about your life and be like,
Oh yeah, God will give me the grace whenever it's time to die,
you know, whether red or white. That's not true.
You, you have to be saying yes every day to that.
For 20 years I was saying yes. That's so when the FBI banged on
my door, that was a white martyr moment, and it could have been a
red martyr moment, frankly. But when they banged on the
door, I was able to say yes to what that invitation was and not
freak out and not be angry, but in some ways have a peace and a
calm that says, OK, you know, I'm here if you want to take me,
take me, in other words, this white martyr and became this
opportunity to become more like Christ, to become more like the
Saints. And again, that's that's
definitely a an interesting nuance because it's it's
different than daily self denial.
It's it's I'm choosing to suffer for Christ intentionally.
And that way I if I went to prison, you know, that would be
my choice. And that that plea deal was a
way to avoid that white martyrdom, the red martyrdom.
Look, anything could have happened that day.
If I had a, if I had a gun, if I had a a airsoft gun, if one of
my kids had an airsoft gun, if as I would have come to the door
with something like that, knowing an intruder is there who
did not announce themselves, Yeah, I would have been shot and
then they'd be, they would be saying I was a a red martyr.
But you know what? That didn't happen by the grace
of God. And, you know, we didn't have to
suffer that. But you know that I'm not saying
that that's not in my future either, right?
I mean, that could be in all of our futures.
As Bishop Strickland said, we need to be 1st century
Christians in the 21st century. So we better be preparing
ourselves for these persecutions because it's coming and more of
it's coming, you know, and especially in this election
cycle, if we continue to choose what we're choosing, more of
this persecution is coming. Let's talk about that day.
Many people have seen the movie police state, especially my
audience is probably familiar with it.
So Dinesh D'souza made a movie that basically did the
historical context where they said, you know, what is, what
does this burgeoning police state, what is it that we are
living through look like? And so we we talked about
Muslims that basically face the the front end of the federal
government. And then we ended up talking
about how it moved on to movements that essentially just
included everyday conservatives. And you got a like a front row
seat of what it looks like when the police state comes and bangs
on your door and you got an opportunity to have that trauma
which it is traumatic. And now you got to live with
that every day. Because when I, I have to
imagine that when the door knocks and and it's early in the
morning or if somebody comes to drop the parcel off or something
or the ring doorbell goes off, there's always going to be that
little tinge because you've experienced it.
So let's let's take people through that day.
And then maybe, even if you don't mind adding to it, the
fact that you had already had this thing come up and it looked
like it was already settled at the state level where this
should have been in the 1st place.
Let's kind of give people why you had the Maybe you were
lulled into some belief that this was all over when it
wasn't. Yeah, April 22nd, everything was
dismissed at the state level. In fact, they didn't even show
up for court after four or five efforts to to mediate and come
to some sort of private criminal complaint conclusion.
So five days later, I'm served a target letter.
So This is why, you know, the federal government was watching
this case because five days later I'm served a potential
indictment target letter saying I'm of a target of a federal
grand jury investigation under the FACE Act for two FACE Act
violations. So in that regard, you, you see
it and that's there. And you have your attorneys
contact and we contacted the Eastern District in
Pennsylvania, the FBI, Justice Department and said, you know,
we will come in, we're peaceful. Just call us, we will come to
you. So that was our plan all along.
If you're going to indict us, you know we'll come to you.
Don't. No need to bring an agent out to
his house. These are the words of my
attorney. No need to bring an agent out to
his house. So Fast forward to September.
We had the Dobbs decision in June.
This is April 22 when I got my indictment target letter.
Then the Dobbs decision, then pro lifer start getting
arrested, Mar a Lago happens and then we're in August and my
attorney contacts me of 2022 and says have you heard from the
assistant assistant US attorney? And I said, well no, why would I
have heard from her? He said, well, she's not
returning my phone calls. So basically we're thinking it's
a done case, it's over. They're not interested anymore.
There's no case here. There's case law on their own
district against indicting me. So we're moving forward.
So when the bank comes on the door on September 23rd, I am not
expecting FBII wasn't thinking target letter.
I was totally shocked that they were there.
And so to your question, to your point about the trauma of that
day, we still live that to this day because all nine of us have
PTSD. And that's that's not a
diagnosis. We know it because when
unannounced people come on our property, there's an alarm and
an internal alarm that we're all feeling, especially when it's a
police officer that might be pulling into our driveway.
They banged on the door and didn't announce themselves.
When we were doing some campaign videos, which we'll get into my
campaign production, people had like simulated red, blue and
white lights. My wife says you got to turn
those off. We are all freaking out in this
house. So you know that the trauma was
pretty darn severe. My wife had a panic attack when
a priest came onto the property unannounced.
She didn't know it was a priest. She had a panic attack.
M16 guns greeted my children as they came down the stairs and
when the FBI put their M sixteens in the threshold of my
home, a little 4 year old, 6 year old seeing on the barrel of
a gun pointed at them after they just woke up from a night's
rest. I mean I don't know the long
term damage or something like that, but that's got to be
pretty darn significant and and frankly we're monitoring that
every single day. So the audience needs to know
that you know, we are still affected by this even though you
know, one was hurt that day miraculously.
So there are long term effects that when a assistant US
attorney or Kristen Clark at the Justice Department says let's go
indict this guy, let's get the arrest warrant signed, they're
not thinking about how this arrest is going to affect the
people for the rest of their lives.
If they would have just said, hey, this might be better to
bring this guy in on his own recognizance and spare his
children. They're not thinking about the
long term effects of these children and how they're going
to deal with this trauma. And in fact I had a a lawyer
confirm that with me that my story in sharing my story said,
you know what, we don't even think about this when we sign
these papers to to for these arrest warrants.
We don't think how these children and these people are
going to be affected for the rest of their lives.
It's just one day for us. Yeah, it's business as usual and
I've been on that side and I'm and I'm kind of hopefully not
going to experience the the other side of it, but there's
always that possibility. But you know, you just don't
know what. Here's something that that I
think that people need to grasp. You're talking about a four year
old looking at the barrel of a gun.
I know that you got good people. You're not in trouble with any
law. Cops are your friends.
That's what you're teaching your children.
We teach the kids the same thing, right?
When I was a little kid, I grew up in the 80s and it's like if
anything bad ever happens, you get lost at the mall.
Where do you go? You go find a police officer,
that person's going to help you. And now what we've done is we've
done this 180° reversal. We're now we're looking at that
law enforcement officer who's supposed to be the good guy.
In our mind, the way we teach our kids, they are now a
potential threat. And that's what, to me, the word
I always use is betrayal. It's when you have because
because nobody can betray you if you don't trust them to begin
with, right. And so when you're dealing with
that, with your family, betrayal looks like this is an
institution, an organization, law enforcement in general, that
we would otherwise want to be able to say, yes, we trust.
And now your wife has anxiety attacks and panic attacks when
she sees the lights that indicate law enforcement is
there. That's right.
How, how else do you even quantify that and and how do you
even move forward with it particularly when you already
knew that the state level which was can you talk about the
political environment where you live and whether or not we think
that was was going to be a like a real right wing kind of group
that was looking at indicting you there for the state level
charges? Look, yeah, I mean this is part
of the prosecutorial misconduct complaint that we filed and
there are so many parties and levels to this, not only the
sheriff in my county, not only the the governor of Pennsylvania
who had to approve the the, the state troopers being used.
But to your point, the trust like, yeah, I mean the children
see a police officer and and they're reticent just by virtue
of what happened to them and and that's not good.
And we have told them that, you know most of these guys are good
people but we do tell them just like the Nazis just like the the
the people who work the concentration camps.
You know, they had a choice to make.
You know just following orders is not acceptable.
You know this is not acceptable and This is why the complaint is
so necessary and that the the it's so egregious that we have
to move forward in filing and we will file again in April, Kyle,
you know a punitive damage suit against the Justice Department
because the government needs to be punished.
A11 time gross negligence kind of thing is not enough.
You have to punish them. You need a jury to say the
government needs to be punished for what they did.
And so the players that be are many.
All of those agents are listed on that complaint that were
there that day. Christian Clark is on that list.
You know, the the people, the sheriff, these people, they're
all on the list because all need to be held accountable because
you can't just say, well, I was just following orders, that's
not right. Those, all of those agents had a
choice that day. And the state troopers who were
invited to be on that rate, they all had a choice to make that
day. And I think you know, sadly,
most of them made the wrong choice.
It's it's really important that we don't take away the agency
that those people had in making that decision.
I I hear that just following orders routine or there's good
people on the front lines and your your example is such a
great it's such a great reminder to people you had agents who
were just like me who just had the same training as me.
They're in the same age bracket as me that knew what right and
wrong was in theory. And they were, you know, they
had a good background where they could pass the security
background check and they had top secret clearances like like
I did. And then the real question is
this, someone's going to come and have you do something on one
day. And if you're not willing to
throw it all away, that's why we created this brand.
In fact, that's what this means, that the suspendables brand,
which we've given you one of the pins and I got another one for
you now, I've actually got a limited edition one that you
can't buy, you can only earn. And you guys definitely earned
it. So you let me know how many you
want for the family and I'll send them out to you.
But you can only do that when you know that you're going to
basically take that job knowing that you could lose that job any
day for the right reason and the right reason, as you told me, to
do something illegal, immoral or unethical.
And I'm not going to do it. And as you mentioned every
single one of those agents and the prosecutors and all the
people that Co signed on this, I keep calling them good
Americans, you know, and it's so sad that you and I have both
come to this. We we never talked about this
before and we we independently realized this is what the Nazis
were able to exploit that comfort, that addiction to
comfort to just do what's easy and worldly, you know.
And that's why every single person that wears this badge is
a Christian. Every single one of them is
without fail. And I mean, I'm curious if you
have any thoughts on if that preparation, if that's the only
thing or is there more to it? Is there an American piece to
it, or is it literally just that Christian belief that allows
people to do the right thing when it comes up?
Look, you bring up some important realities, and then
you think of people who are serving our country.
In the military, you know you have a duty to follow the orders
that you're given. However, when it's an unethical,
immoral order, you have a duty, a sacred duty to reject it.
Now if you are forced to carry forward and someone makes you do
that order, that becomes a moral injury right?
And that is hard to process and deal with.
We need people of integrity like you and have the courage to say
no when this comes. We know people that were state
troopers that were invited to that raid that day who said I'm
not doing that, that's not right, I'm not doing that.
Thanks to be to God. They had that courage.
So yes, these folks that that are engaged in this, I I think
if they're not a believer or someone, a person of faith, it
would probably be hard to come to that conclusion.
Not because faith gives us, you know, the exact answers all the
time. However, it is an objective
truth that you know when we deal with God and people and loving
our neighbor that we do that checklist.
If I'm just an agnostic guy or someone who's not really, you
know, walking the walk, I get an order.
It's just a job. I'm just doing my job and I
think you know people like you who have a conscience, a well
formed conscience, not a malformed conscience.
Sadly we have many today that just you know, faith is not that
important to them. And I think you know our country
was founded on faith. We need people.
We need our leaders to be you know walking the walk and and
from the White House Down we we we see people who it's a nominal
thing for them. It's not anything that actually
influences their life. It is just there as as just an
add on what. Do you think about this recent
push? There's a Rob Reiner movie
that's out there and they're pushing against the concept of
Christian nationalism. You just talked about our
founding being, you know, Christian people.
That's what that's that's who came here.
They came for that freedom. Whether, you know, the fact that
they were Protestants and they just were waiting to become
Catholics later on, later, that's a different animal,
right? But they came here and they
founded this nation for religious freedom and then we
want to just rewrite history. What do you think that plays
into the sort of embrace of moral relativism, which is what
I kind of see this, this is like a an outgrowth of the 80s and
the 90s where people just kind of said, yeah, let's just, you
know, it's right for me. I'm spiritual, but I'm not
religious. That kind of movement, which I
just talked about earlier, thoughts on that and and kind of
the effect that it has on our politics.
Sure. Ethical realism is is been
around, as you said for since the 80s and even beyond that.
So yeah, what's right for me is right for me and who am I to
judge and all this stuff. So look, it plays a huge role in
all of this. If you don't stand for anything,
you'll fall for anything, right. You know, So, you know, we, we,
we recognize that the culture in the schools, we took God out of
the schools. We took prayer out of the
schools and and and this was the beginning so we're going way
back and then and then we you know we be continue continue to
Rd. faith this Christian notion of Christian nationalist.
That's what I am right. That's what you are.
This is the way to to really attack, you know, not activists,
but to really go after people of faith, to go after and identify
them. And this is really, really where
the rubber hits the road now. We've established that the last
bigotry, the last bias in our in our world is against Christians,
Catholics in a in a particular way as part of that Christian
family. So this is the last acceptable
bias and it it from the top down.
Again we now see that Christian nationalists like you and I are
domestic terrorists, right. This is this is in your memo
that you you essentially exposed.
So let's. Here, we don't want to take
credit for that memo. All we did was expose it.
Zero of the year. Oh my God, so, so, but, but
let's kind of dig in. I see a broader plot here.
And and perhaps you do as well, the way that came after you that
the that the FBI came after you. You gave me the opportunity.
You said, look I'm. I'm willing to turn myself in if
this is a real issue. Like I'll, I'll come and present
myself. We refer to that as a summons in
the law enforcement world. So a summons is mark out.
You must present yourself on this day to the court at this
time and we'll see you then. And if you don't, then we're
going to end up having an arrest warrant and you probably end up
as a fugitive from justice. They'll come find you.
But they didn't give you that opportunity.
My understanding is did they file a criminal complaint first?
Was that the first move they did with you?
Are you? Are you aware a private criminal
complaint was done by the man who I had the original incident
with? He did his own criminal
complaint, Sure. The government did not file a
criminal complaint against me. He did and that put me into the
the state court system in Philadelphia and and that was to
be mediated and ultimately was dismissed.
So there was never a verdict, there was never a a ruling.
It was just a dismissal, which I think opened the door for the
federal government to indict because I think I could be
wrong. If there was a ruling then there
might be this double jeopardy thing going on so.
One of the ways that they've been doing a lot of this stuff
where they go if they went and got an indictment and they got
an arrest warrant out of that, there's something truly
troubling about the way that means that grand jury was able
to end that judge in particular was allowing it because
generally speaking, they would say, oh, well, you've already
been in contact with the attorney.
This has already been handled at a state level.
Why don't you issue in a summons?
That would be like, why do you need an arrest warrant?
So generally speaking, that becomes really problematic.
And I may do a little deeper research on this to find out if
we can find it. And if so, we'll add it in post.
No big deal. But the way that they basically
did your case and the fact that they decided to come and make
what we call the process, the punishment you guys want to you
want to kind of reflect on, you know, it's not just punishment
against you and maybe how you represent sort of as a
figurehead to to others. So other people might be warned
about that behavior that you were engaged in?
Yeah, you know, I've used that term.
I've heard Steve friends say that as well.
And and I use it because I I see it.
I see that the way they treated me and and the way that it all
went down in light of my former federal prosecutor who knows the
routine, knows how this is done, my own judge said that the the
grand jury was a collection of hearsay.
It it doesn't have to be factual.
You just kind of find people that are going to say the right
things to get the indictment. So, you know, this collection of
hearsay, we're bringing people into a room.
We're going to say, yeah, this guy's a bad actor.
Yeah, this guy has a reputation for this.
Look, I was a target and have been a target for a number of
years, not necessarily from the federal government, but from a
local standpoint with Planned Parenthood.
So Dobbs is overturned and now we have a weaponized government.
We have President Joe Biden giving the marching orders to
Merrick Garland down to Kristen Clark, to all of you guys at the
East, at the at the regional level to now go after domestic
terrorists, enemies of the state, people of faith, people
like me and and people who are activists, people who are
effective at what they do. They didn't care about a
conviction. I don't believe that they wanted
to punish me, humiliate me and make me scared.
And you know, frankly, my children were scared, but, you
know, my wife was scared. But frankly, I I think it
backfired on them when it comes to me because I recognize it as
a gift. When I was sitting in that
holding facility in the federal building in Philadelphia, 100
yards from Independence Hall, chained to a table, belly
shackled, ankle shackled, when I'm in their custody, I
rejoiced. I saw it as a gift.
I was at the foot of the of the cross.
I was at Calvary. I was a Golgotha.
I I felt peace. I felt joy.
And I believe, as a Catholic Christian, that my will and
God's will were perfectly united.
So what happened for me it was just an invitation to to be to
grow into into that, you know, image of Christ that is, you
know, we're invited to to participate.
As Paul says, I make up for what is lacking in Christ suffering.
So I was now suffering for the salvation of souls.
So to me, it was a wonderful opportunity.
And you know, frankly again I can't embrace that if I'm not
walking that walk for 20 years and then they keep me in belly
shackle ankle shackles and carry my in my wrist, you know, down
to the US Marshals. I'm being released.
Why do you need to keep me in shackles down six flights of
stairs just to just if you just don't want to just humiliate me
if that's the only point is just to humiliate me And and frankly
I think it was. I mean, again, maybe that's
protocol, but I mean, I'm being released and I'm not even found
guilty yet. So I'm being released and you're
still you're still reminding me, Like, don't don't do this any
further. This is what's it's going to get
worse. Let's leave this as a permanent
reminder to you. I still got the scars on my
ankles from the the the ankle shackles.
Yeah, Those are not very comfortable.
They're not really made to be comfortable and they're not made
to really walk in. They're kind of the opposite of
that. They're supposed to make it a
struggle to get somewhere on purpose.
Like like you were going to go running off, you know, with with
all the kids you got back home and all that.
Like, what are you going to do? That being said, you're a pretty
good sized guy and you're you're in this moment where they're
basically looking and they're like, OK, we got this, this this
violent offender who involved like who basically pushed
somebody, which by the way the FBI Academy is full of training
that is significantly more aggressive than the action that
you took on that day. So none of these agents should
have been scared of that. And then you were praying is is
what you told me the last time we spoke.
I remember you saying that that was the that's where your mind
went. And without that preparation you
say 20 plus years on the walk you're not going to end up
there. You're going to end up, you
know, asking what's going on and and I don't know, I just, I find
that example I know when my father heard it.
My dad's older than both of us and he's sitting there and he's
listening and he's just like, you know, what a, what a bro.
There it is. Yeah.
What are they? What are they?
They even did. They did entire pieces, hit
pieces in the leftist media about the idea that the rosaries
are now sort of like the rosary and the AR15 are the two symbols
of resistance in this country. You know, they've got to draw it
in there. But it's spiritual battle and I
guess physical battle, although we're not there yet.
It's it's so interesting that was where your mind went that
the first thing you thought was is I'm not angry at these
people. Did you see any of the the
agents look at you and think I'm the bad guy now?
Did anybody have that look on their face?
Look, when I was at the door and the second bang came and they
announced finally that it was the FBI and it was you're.
In a bathrobe, right? Am I right?
Am I remembering this? I'm in.
I'm in shorts, T-shirts and a flip flop.
OK, at 6:30 in the morning when they announced the second time
when I said declare who you are and they said was the FBI open
up. Bang, bang, bang.
Doorbell. Doorbell.
Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. I said something that I think
put them all on their heels. I said stay calm.
I could tell they were very anxious.
Stay calm. I have seven babies in here.
When I say that word, baby, I think it's just for any man.
It's like, wait a second, there's a baby in the house.
There's babies in there. I just, I don't know why I said
it. I just said it.
That's what I call it. My kids, right?
Yeah. I Holy Spirit.
When I came out they were on their heels.
They, you know I, I think a warrant supposed to be presented
nothing. They didn't even say like we're
taking you down to they just they they they patted me down.
But they just kind of stood there and looked at me and I
said, what are you doing here? So much so they didn't even.
I had to find out what they were doing there.
And they said, well, you know why we're here.
I said, well, I know, oh, you're here, 'cause I rescue babies is
what I said. And they didn't say anything to
that. So then I'm standing there, my
arms up, right, 'cause I'm totally compliant.
Land to the slaughter. Do what you will.
I said you wouldn't be here if the Trump administration was in
the White House. First thing came to my mind, and
they didn't. They just looked at me.
I felt like it was Gethsemane and the Sanhedrin soldiers are
coming for Jesus. We're here for Jesus and
Nazarea. I am he.
And they kind of they fall to the ground.
Well, these agents didn't follow the ground.
They just stood there, watched me.
Then my wife comes down and says, who are you looking for?
Because she thought they were at the wrong house.
Him. What's his name again?
I'm sure this isn't protocol typically in the FBI handbook,
but usually you announce what you're doing.
And he said, Mark, how OK do you have a warrant for his arrest?
The my wife says to them, well we're taking him with or without
a warrant, so. So this is like the disposition
of of the lead agent and he was the one that was speaking.
The rest of them, they weren't saying anything.
When I got in the car and I said why so many of you?
They said, well we know nothing about you.
We come prepared for anything. I said really.
Two battering Rams, 20 plus federal agents, the state
troopers, swat guys at my back door.
Really. You know nothing about me.
OK. I find that really hard to
believe. You know what's?
That was it. They probably knew nothing about
you and and I don't know if we talked about this the last time
the. Other.
Agents, right. Well, most of the agents
probably knew nothing. So the goofiest thing is this.
This is the saddest part of it. This is the really the banality
of evil. And This is why that that Nazi
analogy is so important. The way the FBI works is that
every single new agent they have to, they are required to check
off X number of arrests. They have to be at a certain
number of arrests and it's usually five.
That's the number. I think that's the magic number.
You got to participate in some way, shape or form.
Sometimes if you have like a very non active squad, you'll
literally watch one on TV where you're sitting, you know you're
sitting in a room and they come in and they're interviewing you
and they're going to put cuffs on you.
And I watched you do that. I can sign that off as an
arrest. I was participating but
everybody wants to get in on the arrest.
None of them probably knew what was going on.
And so all of that, you know, it's a cultural failure and it's
and it's truly evil because shouldn't you be asking the
number one question? I was asked when they asked me
to go do something. It's like, what are my
authorities? What are we doing?
Why? But that only comes from a
fundamental distrust, which I think anybody who spent enough
time around the government should have.
We're not, we're not hiring those people today.
And so they're going to come and knock on the door and they're
going to come and they're going to be put off guard by somebody
who says I've got 7 babies and they're like babies.
We don't go to places where there are babies, you know, And
then you then you brought in politics to it, which is obvious
to anybody sitting on the outside of it.
But none of those people thought they were doing something
political. I'm sure of it.
They were just doing their job. What about the lead agent,
though? He knew.
Oh, for sure. Oh yeah, he's the only guy that
had the knowledge. Well, and the other thing is
this, and everybody has a misconception.
One of the things I like to do in this program is educate just
a little bit. And it's like nobody's going to
show you a warrant from the FBI. They're not going to show you a
search warrant until after. When they do that, until they
get the house secure and clear, they're not going to do that.
And so we have this expectation from TV.
It's like, you know, come to the door, we got a warrant.
They're going to hold the paper up.
No, nobody's holding the paper up.
They're holding the shield up. And so that is a fundamental
misconception that we have in the media and at least a really
possible dangerous outcomes like you say possible red martyrdom
because people are expecting a certain thing and the FB is
reputation is built on garbage TV, it's not real as you saw.
So the 4th Amendment protects a man in his home, right?
And so in order to be able to arrest a man, you you got to
produce a warrant though, right? You can't search and seize a
home without a warrant, correct? But what it says is that there
must be a warrant, but it doesn't say that you get to see
it beforehand. And that, I think, is the
scariest thing for guys like you and even guys like me.
No doubt about it. I don't think it's a good
policy. I'm just wanting people to know.
That they have to announce that they have a warrant though,
that's the way that. Yeah, no, that's the way I was
trained. So bang, bang, bang, probably
like 3 bangs, bang, bang, bang, FBI search warrant, FBI warrant.
We may not say what kind of warrant it might be an arrest
warrant, but usually it's a search warrant.
And if they have all those things, as long as they've
confirmed it with the judge, then they'll go into your home
and you may never see it. And that I think that actually
is bad. I think that's bad as a people
that are presumed innocent because did you feel like you
were being presumed innocent during that that arrest?
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
I I I felt like guilty and damned where I stood as I came
out of my home. And again a man in the 4th
Amendment you know should have the security of his own home.
This he he should be secured that that that the sanctity of
his home the safety of his home that that would be protected and
preserved under the the Bill of Rights and and frankly that's
part of our our federal complaint against the FBI is
that they violated my 4th and my amendment right.
So no. Absolutely not.
I I my kids were in danger. I felt in danger.
In fact that's why I went with them because I wanted to protect
my children. I wasn't going to resist because
I didn't. I wanted to get them as away
from my house as quickly as possible.
You know, like traditional masculinity, your job is to
protect. You want to talk about the other
things because it was actually really impactful When we spoke
first spoke, I walked away thinking about the roles of men
in society, both as Christian men and as just good Americans.
But talk about how we've kind of lost some of this masculinity
and what you and how you kind of work in that field.
Yeah. So for 20 years I've been I've
been running a men's ministry and and trying to empower men
and encourage men and and even in my own walk you know you know
you're you're trying to grow in these these areas yourself.
So traditionally you know we we look at men and their core
nature and we see them to be leaders, protectors and
providers and and a lot of men aren't formed in that.
It's something that you know it's probably true to their core
being but unless it's enforced or unless someone is there to
guide them and mentor them, they will probably be succumbed to
the cultural's expectation of them and become extremely
passive. A very passive man who's
submissive to you know just the will of of anybody in in their
in their presence. And so you know a man really
needs to know his role. And as Catholic Christian men we
we understand that we are head of our homes.
We are Bishop of our homes as Saint Augustine would say.
So you know we have that headship by by virtue of our of
our role. It doesn't mean we're right on
everything and it doesn't mean we get to do everything we want.
It's just proper to our nature. Whereas the woman is is the
heart of the home and and and that's proper to her nature And
so it's complementarity. And So what we try to do for men
is encourage them, give them the skills that they need to really
live out these roles and we take them on retreats and we have
men's groups all around the country.
And so I've been doing that for a number of years.
And so when I saw that my children were in danger, right.
You know, they're screaming on the steps.
My wife has a gun pointed at her.
My first instincts are to like, get away from the home and
protect these children, right? So tell me what you want me to
do. Put me in whatever.
Just get me get, take, get, get away from that.
My anxious 79 year old sees the SWAT guys at the back door.
To this day, she's still traumatized by just seeing the M
sixteens and the and the SWAT guys at the back door
traumatizes her little heart because she's extremely
sensitive. And so as a dad, your job is to
protect their innocence. And this is the this is the most
criminal thing of the FBI and the failure of the system and
the failure of the men who were just there to check off the box
of the arrests that they're supposed to fulfill so that they
can get their full agency recognition.
Is this? For 15 years, my wife and I
homeschooled our children to preserve and protect their
innocence. The Sacred Deposit of the Faith,
100%. But they're innocence.
The government stole that innocence in an instant and
didn't think twice about it. And that's the biggest crime in
all this. Yeah, I don't disagree with you.
And and interestingly enough, you guys were probably ahead of
the curve as far as the the modern kind of home
homeschooling movement that's been kind of pushing forward.
It was slowly creeping on the this is where it went parabolic
probably with the the COVID tyranny that everybody kind of
experienced. They went like, whoa, what?
What were we not paying attention to right in this?
In this walk that you've been on, you've been speaking to men.
So you're doing public speaking. You're talking about the proper
role of things, which are pretty traditional and, you know, human
beings had figured out for thousands of years until
recently. We when we forgot how to do
everything. Did you ever think that you were
going to do this in a political environment, that you were going
to step into that morass? Was that in your heart at all?
Absolutely not. I mean look, we we cross
pollinate with, you know, with our First Amendment rights as we
as we fight pornography and fight abortion and defend
traditional marriage. I've done witnesses and
demonstrations in front of the White House.
So there's a cross pollination whereby, you know, we stand
against, but never thought that I would put myself in a position
whereby now I would become a potential national leader in a
political realm. I was a faith leader, a ministry
leader, apostolate that I LED, right.
That's, that's who I am and that's my life's work.
However, now I'm in a position whereby, you know, Saint
Augustine says if if God gives you a platform like now you've
been given Kyle with the role that you have in this country of
ours and and you abdicate that platform, you will be held
accountable for it. Again.
If you have the power to influence and effect change to
save the Republic and you just say, you know what, it's just
easier for me to just stay at home and do what I do.
You know that there's going to be accountability for that
because God has created you for such a time as this.
You, Kyle, have been created from the beginning of time to do
what you're doing right now. And as of I and I think we're
both in the will of God because we're exposing the injustice and
the powers and principalities of this present darkness.
The evil one is all around us. We have a duty to be light in
that darkness. And so now I find myself in this
political realm, not as a as someone who desires it, but
someone who's willing to do it because God's asking it up.
I always tell people Isaiah 68 was always my favorite.
I don't know if I told you this, but this is my absolute it was
my favorite. I don't know why I love the way
that it was. But but the answer to you know
when, when God calls his name, he doesn't.
What is the answer When, when someone says your name, how do
people normally respond? They normally say what you know
or yeah, or hello. And he said, here I am.
And and for whatever reason, that's always stuck with me,
even since I was a kid. I've always answered when you
say Kyle, it doesn't matter where you are.
If you say it, I'm at the mall, which I don't want to be at the
mall. But if I ever am at a mall and
you see me say, hey, hey, Kyle, I'll say here I am because I
don't know what else to say. It's just stating a fact that I
am present in this exact place and for whatever reason that's
always been and that's the answer to the call.
I have no interest in being a public figure.
I never wanted any of that. In fact, there's a you can, you
can prove it. And I'm guessing that you have a
similar sort of background. You can go look and find out
exactly how political my aspirations were, were my media
aspirations by seeing that there was none of it before I got
tapped. And one of the things that me
and the guys always say is that, you know, you can kind of see
God's plan by looking in the rearview mirror, but it's almost
impossible to see it when it's happening.
But I'm wondering because you had the presence of mind and you
started immediately seeing a lot of these things, your your
statement about your mindset as you're actually getting into
cops and going in there, you know, praying the rosary and and
and making it a moment of devotion.
Like, did you have a clearview of what was being asked of you
at the exact moment or is that something that you've been able
to look back on and kind of fill in the blanks?
Look, I've known for years that I was putting myself in the
crosshairs of potential arrest. And as you as a someone who's a
student of faith and a student of the of the Bible, right, you,
you see this. And so, you know, Martin Luther
King, you know someone who's doing something, who knows he's
going to put himself in a dangerous situation.
We minister in dangerous places sometimes And, you know,
fighting pornography, which I've done for years, You know, you're
you're fighting the mob essentially at at the deepest
level of that, you know, like it's not a safe place to be.
So I knew that, that that the bad people were there.
And of course when we deal with abortion, you're dealing with
pure evil. And so, you know when you're
going up against Satan and the people themselves are not
satanic, some might be, but the buildings, it's infested with
evil. When you're going up and you're
pushing against this and you are actually being successful and
antagonizing the demons, that is going to come back at you in a
spiritual, supernatural way. In other words, the blowback
from something like that in a spiritual lens is, is is
inevitable. So I knew that Satan would come
after me to come after my marriage.
He'd come after my children and he'd be prowling around like
that, roarling, lying, looking for to devour.
So for me, Kyle and I think you, you know this would be good for
your audiences. You need to know that when Saint
Peter says the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, you
need to know that that is really best understood.
The old African proverb that a roaring lion catches no prey.
In other words, a roaring lion is a wounded lion.
A lion. Orion's don't roar, roar unless
they're injured in some way. Because when they hunt their
prey, they're stealth, they're quiet, they don't make noise.
If they make noise, that means they're wounded.
So Satan is wounded. He's permanently wounded.
He loses. He knows he's a loser, but he's
fighting as best he can to take some some with him.
And so we know that Satan is going to attend in whatever way
he can with the third of the angels that fell with him, which
are millions upon millions of angels.
Billions. And that number is just so a
normal you can't eat. There's more angels than there
are stars in the sky, and there's more stars in the sky
than there are grains of sand on the earth.
So that third of the angels is beyond our imagination.
So these angels, these demons are going to push back.
And so for me, when I got pushed back in the form of people who
are cooperating with evil, collaborating with evil, and we
could call it what it is, this Nazi soldiers or those that are
just saying, yes, the following orders cooperate with that.
You're going to experience that. And and so when I was arrested,
I knew that without a shadow of a doubt because I knew I was
innocent and I was being honest for a righteous cause.
So when I got the cuffs on me, I went right to martyrdom.
I went right to Felicity and Perpetua.
I went right to, you know, Saint Paul.
Right. Maxima and Colby.
I went right to those people and I was praying along with them.
So was it instant? Probably not instant.
But by the time I was shackled and in that little white room in
the federal building, I was right there.
Yeah. I think that that preparation
though most people don't, many people haven't put themselves in
that spot. They're busy living their lives.
They're not looking around. I think I said it the other day.
It's like so many people were focused on their jobs, 70s,
eighties, 90s, they're doing that kind of thing.
Then they're focused on their computers at their little office
cubicle. Then they're now we're all
looking at our phones and we're looking down.
Everyone's looking down. Nobody's looking up and saying
what is happening around me, #1 and #2, Am I prepared for
whatever is coming? And and that preparation sets
you apart, I think, in many ways.
And then just the abject ridiculousness of what they were
doing, it also helps. So you made a decision at some
point. Can you kind of talk us through,
you know, maybe some of the kitchen table conversations you
must have had with your wife about what that looked like when
you decided, hey, we're about to keep this thing going, it's,
it's about to get Dumber in this house and probably more
uncomfortable. Well, we spent a year in hell
this past year and you know, just journeying and the 4 1/2
months till the trial we go. I looked at the trial as
crucifixion date. You know, I I looked at it as,
look, I'm preparing to go to prison.
So when we were set free and vindicated and the judge, Judge
Pappert says Mr. how you are free to go.
You don't understand freedom till it's taken from you.
We take all our freedoms for granted.
All of us as Americans do, because we're born into it and
we don't really appreciate it. So I'm thankful to a degree that
I have a greater appreciation of my freedom and that has caused
caused me to come to an awareness of protecting others
and their freedom. And so as we journeyed this past
year and discerningly, you know, people say you should run for
office, you should run for politics.
I told him no way, I'm not interested in doing that.
But as more people were saying, consider this, Please pray about
this. I had to take it to prayer.
Ryan Ray and I had to talk about this and say what is the Lord
asking of us, Kyle? You know, if we want to grow in
our faith, you have to allow yourself to be stretched.
If you're not being stretched, you're not growing.
So for me to just go back to business as usual, for me just
to go back to my ministry and just to do what I was doing and
go back to Planned Parenthood, which I do and not see the
bigger picture here would be very myopic in my in me.
I I would be very close minded. The Lord has expanded my heart,
the Lord has stretched me and now we want to be stretched even
further. So running for Congress now is
the biggest stretch of my life. I've never done anything so
toxic in my life. And so the only way we can walk
this walk is by having a good prayer life and my wife and I
being even more united. And the good news about all
this, if there is any good, you know, a lot of times I was been
doing ministry on my own and my wife was back at home taking
care of the kids. But now as we're running for
Congress, my wife is actually this is, she's doing it with me.
So we're even more united as a couple, which has been a great
grace. So as we talk and discern and we
have discern that we will run and we are running for the First
District in Pennsylvania, my wife is right alongside with
because it wouldn't work if she was.
If she wasn't doing it with me, it would drive a wedge between
us. And if she wasn't on board, I
wouldn't do it. And she knows that for such a
time as this we have been called, and such a time as this,
Kyle you've been called, that we're being raised up to be
great Saints. And one of the things that maybe
your audience would appreciate, I don't know, maybe not.
St. Polycarp was a 1st century St.
who was a disciple of John. And you know, he was a
theologian. And he said that the Saints at
the end times will shine more brightly than the first
witnesses to Christ on the earth.
And why is that so important? Why would he say such a thing?
He said because they didn't have to confront and defeat the
accuser. They didn't have to confront and
defeat the dragon. Satan, you and I, we are in
this, these times where now we have to confront and defeat the
evil. 1. And so Christ is not with us in
the way they had him, You know, Polycarp John, they were around
with Jesus. We don't have that realm
anymore. So in this regard, you know
we're being raised up at this time to be a a great light for
the world. You said the word you hadn't
faced that sort of toxicity before.
Let's talk about. Let's talk about what's toxic.
Look, I've never seen bad behavior like I've seen it in
politics, even local politics. The disparagement, the the
calamony in the slander, the things that have already been
said about me that totally untrue.
I I just, it's just bad behavior.
I don't want to be around it. I don't want to be around
gossip. I don't want to be around people
who think poorly of other people because what we we are called to
think the best of each person that we need until they prove
otherwise. Now you got to be shrewd.
You got to be, you know, you got to be calculating and prudential
in your judgments. But at the same time you don't
presume that everybody's evil that you meet until you they
recognize that there is evil there in in their actions.
So for me, it's like walking into this land bind where things
just blow up right in front of you and and and and you have no
say in the matter and you just see like people imploding left
and right based upon past behavior.
How about forgiveness? How about redemption?
How about we move forward? I've forgiven the government.
I've forgiven all those FBI agents.
I had compassion in my heart that day.
In fact, one FBI agent, and he's the only one that I think
totally recognized what was going on.
He shook my hand in that federal building and said it was a real
pleasure to meet you. And that man knew in front of
his peers that this was a good man, that this was wrong.
And he was willing to say in front of his peers, like, hey, I
was blessed to meet you today. I couldn't believe it.
And I said, hey, it was a joy for me, so.
That's such a strange moment. That's kind of what I've been
experiencing with this campaign thing.
There's some interesting irony in where you're running.
You want to talk about that? There is some interesting irony.
And, you know, I've been told that Brian Fitzpatrick, the
incumbent who is in my district, is the only former FBI agent in
Congress right now. Perhaps there were others in the
past, but from what I understand, he's the only one.
He's my congressman and and he's been my congressman.
This will be his fifth term if he wins.
He did not come out and support me.
He did not condemn his former employer.
I'm his constituent. He did not come to administer to
my family as of my congressman. Say, hey, is there anything we
can do for you? Is there anything I can do for
you or just on a personal level, not even make a public stage of
it? Hey, look.
Are you doing OK? You know, I I'm your.
I'm your representative here. Let me help you.
He had nothing to say. He hasn't said anything to this
day. He hasn't condemned this former
employer, and that's not why we're running.
But isn't that an interesting narrative that the guy that I'm
challenging is an FBI agent and I have the story that I have
with the FBI. So I think it's it's just a a
God moment for sure. How busy is that primary?
Are you one of many? No, it's just me and him.
It's a standoff. And I tell you, we had 118 votes
in the House right now. This is a huge, This might be
the most important election in Pennsylvania outside of the
presidential election because of the importance of this seat.
And you know that the Democratic Party is going to go after this
seat with everything they have. So once we win the primary, you
got to you believe the Soros money, the Clinton Foundation,
it's all going to be poured into the seat because they want this
seat, they want to get that majority back.
And you know what, my congressman, he votes like a
Democrat. That's what he does.
He, he he, he votes 70% of the time with President Joe Biden.
He doesn't vote with the Constitution.
He just voted for FISA. He wants more federal
surveillance of of of people. He votes with the Equality Act.
He he votes with everything that it goes against, even his own
Catholic, Christian faith. So look, it couldn't be more
clear how different we are. But you know, yeah, it's just me
and him. And you know, may the best man
win, Just like you won the Catholic hero vote.
The best man won. Don't start with me on that one.
It's so it it's so interesting and like I say, just the the
places that you're put in your life to be able to make that
moment happen. And now you are going head to
head against a former agent who as you said votes a certain way
and is a squishy Catholic. The the only thing that
continues to make me feel really good about the way the world
looks is that the harder and the more firm paths.
Continue to attract more feet. Nobody's looking to go walk
through the soft wishy washy. Well, everything's kind of OK
thing, you know what I mean? There's just more and more like
the the churches that are growing in the Catholic Church,
they're all much more traditional.
That's what my wife and I went looking for.
Nobody wants it easy. Everyone understands that we are
in a time where it requires real consistency and real rigor.
And I hope that's the case for your.
So I think people are going to be interested in your race
specifically people from outside.
You said there's going to be Soros money.
What can people do to support that and maybe tell us a little
bit about what the platform is other than that you're a good
man and I think that's that's objectively clear, but what is
the platform you're trying to push?
Yeah, sure. Well, you remind me of just the,
you know, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the
church, right. So Tertullian said that.
So as you said, the people seeing like this opportunity for
them, it's attractive, good people are stepping forward.
A lot of good people are saying, you know what, I can make a
difference. And I think this is what our
founding fathers wanted was for people, normal people, to be
public servants and to serve and get out right.
It's not for career politicians and to become multi
millionaires. 80% of Democrats are multi millionaires, 30% of
Republicans are multi millionaires.
It's a, it's a it's a it's a career for them.
But this is not what we intended.
So for me, look, I, I, I'm all about term limits, right?
I I'm not there to to to stay for the rest of my life.
You can go to hulkforcongress.com is our
website. HOUCKFOR congress.com.
You'll see our platform. But to answer your question, our
platform is common sense. Let's start with the
Constitution, right? This is our this is our guide.
And so sadly, Congress has not been following the Constitution
for a long time. And so it this is what I will be
relying on. You know, when we deal with
Congress, we deal with immigration, military weights
and measures and limit limiting government.
That's the four enumerated powers of a Congress person,
congressman and woman. So look, that's where we will
go. And so when it comes to
immigration, we're going to shut down the border.
At least that's what I'm going to support.
Because if someone's bleeding and hemorrhaging on the
battlefield, you got to stop the bleeding.
That's what I would advocate. Now, of course I would love to
enforce existing immigration laws, but I don't think that's
enough. I think we got to stop the
bleeding, get it right. We can only take in 300 to
500,000 legal immigrants a year. That's the most we can take in.
We took in that last month alone, so we got a major crisis,
clear and present danger. I think it more important than
anything else going on in the world right now.
Congress needs to focus on that issue and thankfully some of
them are getting getting their heads wrapped around it So
that's one of the major issues we're dealing with obviously
strong military we got to have we have to have a good military
readiness and and and but but for me as a as a man in ministry
I I was doing healing retreats for veterans.
You know we have so many vets that are 22 of them a day are
committing suicide right coming back after the way we pulled out
of the Afghanistan war in total crisis.
You know, so it's for for me that I, I got to see the
veterans in that lens, even though that may not be a a full
constitutional normal power. We can't neglect our heroes.
We can't forget about them. And so of course, you know, when
it comes to the economy, my gosh, man, we are funding so
many things that are unconstitutional, like the
Department of Education, for instance, that has to go right,
like that'll put in billions of dollars back into our into our
economy, right. And how about, you know, the war
that we're the proxy war we're fighting over in Ukraine.
We're just blank checking billions upon billions of
dollars for this proxy war that's never ending.
We don't even know where that money's going.
You know, how about we restore that to the economy?
And how about we get back to energy independence again,
right? As for, you know, that's that
was where we were closed. Remember at the end of the Trump
administration we were paying like $1.98 for gas here on the
East Coast, but now it's back up to 5, four, some $7.00 in
California. Remember we how close we were
getting to being energy independent?
Well, all that stuff belongs at the state level.
It's actually not a federal problem, but we making it a
federal problem. We need to put all this stuff
back at the state. We restore all this.
You get some money back into our economy, then we start
addressing this inflation issue. So anyhow, this is just some of
the the issues that we're dealing with.
Of course, my my, the, the incumbent, the congressman I'm
fighting against, you know, he wants more government
surveillance, right? You can take the FBI agent out
of the agency, but you really can't take the agent out of the
van. There's one way to do it.
Turns out there's one way to do that.
How you do that? You just throw him out and then
you attack him aggressively and see what he does.
If he's old enough and if he's wise enough and more aggressive.
Let me let me throw something at their plate.
Kind of a devil's advocate, 'cause I think a lot of the
places that that Republicans lose and you're running as a
Republican, you're in the primary there against an
incumbent Republican, squishy one, but Republican none the
less. One of the areas I feel like we
lose is that the left comes in from the the angle of
compassion, which would be a very Christian value.
And they'll say things like, you know that's these poor people.
I just covered it earlier about woman dies on the way across the
border and that's why we have to open it up.
There were three, there were two children and a woman a 33 year
old. I feel like they take the agency
from that, that poor woman who made a terrible decision, but
it's all about compassion and heartstrings and you know, it's
we always called it the bleeding heart liberal.
How do you square that with a man who is deeply rooted in
faith and now is also talking about we've got to fix the
border? When?
When That's the argument. Look I mean you're going to
juxtapose that always with what's happening after this
border problem is is unchecked, right.
So we're we're losing people in this country through the drugs
So we we can't have misplaced compassion.
We got to have compassion yes, for that woman who sincerely is
seeking asylum or but we also have to see the result of those
that are not seeking that that that asylum.
I'm not saying we don't allow immigrants into this country.
We we we will. But we got to get control of
this with the fentanyl, the IE DS that are coming in that are
blowing, they're destined to blow up whatever they're
destined to blow up the the human sex trafficking of the
chitter. We saw that in police state with
that US Marshall talking about that boy being in diapers now
coming in as he's being raped coming into this country.
So we got to have compassion but we can't have misplaced
compassion. We do have compassion for that
that woman. In fact our social justice
teaching and our Catholic faith tells us that we must have
compassion there but we must also bring her in the right way
and and and sadly you know we're going to have to temper that.
We're going to have to temper the timing of all that and and
we will help them get here, but we're going to have to do it the
right way. And we can't just like, you
know, just like say oh, because of that story or these are the
stories, you know, we got to allow the 10,000 bad actors
coming into this country as well.
So I think the only way to do that is to just stop the
bleeding in my opinion and then and then fix it, change, change
the laws if we have to, but then and then open up the borders
again. And I agree with Governor Abbott
what he's doing in there. He's he's trying to protect his
people. So whether that's
unconstitutional or not for him, he believes it is constitutional
for him in the state of Texas. So I think it's a misplaced
compassion to just single out those random stories which are
true but also not but neglect all the other stories at the
same time. It has to be a totality for us
and I think that's the way we have to deal with it.
Do you think that you can be a Catholic Democrat in 2024?
I think, I think they are diametrically opposed to each
other. And there are people who are
Democrats who would or who are pro-life, you know, and then
there's those that say they're pro-life that aren't.
But look, I think the, the policies in the platform are
diametrically opposed to to Christianity.
Let's just let's just put it that way not even Catholicism to
to just being a Christian. They're they're they're not in
in conformity there. So I don't know how you in good
conscience could be a Democrat and call yourself a Catholic.
I I just don't know how that's possible because when you vote
you're voting for intrinsically evil things.
So if I'm a Democrat, the traditional Democratic policy is
is for abortion and and and woman's rights as it pertains to
healthcare there, as they would say, then that's an
intrinsically evil thing that cannot be separated and your
choices as a Democrat politician, you cannot separate
that Church and state is not meant to keep faith out of
Congress. It's meant to protect the church
from the state invading the worship space.
It's not meant to be the other way around like we keep church
out of in fact we invite church to inform us.
Then we had Pope Francis address Congress when he came here in
2015. We invite church to address our
political thinking and it helps form our conscience.
So it's not the other way around.
I don't think they can be. I don't think you can be a
Catholic and be a Democrat in good conscience.
I don't disagree with you, just curious.
I like to, I like to ask people the questions.
You got to take hard statements if you're going to be others.
What do you think? What do you think about this
recent sort of pushback and if it means anything other than
just a stunt? But our friends at Catholic Vote
went and and was able to get a Latin Mass said in the US
Capitol for the first time in history.
Obviously on the anniversary of that document that I pushed out,
what what do you think that means?
Or it doesn't mean anything at all?
How cool is that for you, Mike Johnson?
Yeah, Mike Johnson said yes to that.
Mike is a Catholic. You know, I've known Mike for
years. I knew him when he was a
constitutional lawyer in Louisiana fighting pornography.
And so Mike is a good man. He said about Christian, So he
said yes to that. I think it was a wonderful
thing. I was overjoyed at that.
I thought that was great. I mean, you bring the body of
Christ into that place. Look, his presence is now there,
right? Like, not in the fullness, but
his presence is there because he was there.
And we bring our Lord in there as we go into the Capitol
building as Catholics, and we bring our Lord.
It's a Eucharistic procession in some respects as we bring him
into the world. So I rejoiced in that.
I thought that was great and we need to do more of it.
And on that date of that anniversary, I thought it was a
wonderful way to basically say, look, we support traditional
Roman Catholics, those with the support the Latin Mass.
And I think it was a great day for for the church and in
America. Any message of hope that you
want to share. We've got a lot of darkness
around. I I feel like your your line
analogy is actually one of the biggest things that's been
sitting with me. In fact after our conversation
you may not know that but it impacted me in a good way and I
walked around with that. I also heard people tell me that
the real men make Quiche was one of the most memorable lines.
For the first time that we talked the people walked around
and I've had people tell me I go yeah we're going to have Mark
Haliband they go oh real men make quiche.
And I was like, that's what you walked away with.
That's pretty funny. I walked.
I walked away. I mean, I I think you're not
wrong. That's fine.
I'm good with it. I've eaten quiche, too.
My wife makes a great quiche. I've never made a quiche.
But my my skills are limited. But the the hope piece of it,
because I think that's the the thing that most people get They
get waylaid. There's an awful lot of
distractions and evil things that are happening in this world
and whether they happen to them, happen to you, happen to our
families. You know, sometimes it's hard to
just get up in the morning and just look and go like, what am I
doing? And are we just going to lose
this thing? Maybe kind of the position of
hope that you come in, especially if you're stepping
into a swampy place like Congress, if that's the goal.
Yeah, and look, one man with with courage is a majority, as
Andrew Jackson said. So we would just have to see
that the good that flows from one man like yourself or or
another man who who's willing to step out that like yourself,
others will follow. And you know, look, our job
isn't to fix all the problems. I have a men's group in
Brooklyn. It's kind of funny.
Kingsman group in Brooklyn and you know, it's the only group
that we allow the F word to be spoken at because in Brooklyn
that's kind of like part of their language.
And we say, and this is I'm going on somewhere, somewhere
with this. We say that you don't try to fix
Brooklyn, you just pray for Brooklyn.
So when you wake up in the morning, you're not going to be
able to fix every problem, but you can fix what, fix what is in
front of you. And that may be the demon that
is in front of you, the alarm clock 1st.
And that might be, you know, the desire to not be friendly to
your wife or the desire to be, you know, I don't know,
inappropriate with your children, abusive emotionally
and verbally to them. That may be the first dragon you
slay that day. And then as you go to work, then
you take the next dragon on, right.
And so for us as Catholics and for me as a Catholic, you know,
I kind of subscribe to what hope John the 23rd did.
Saint John the 23rd. You know, at the end of the day,
here he is, the Pope, and he would go before the Lord and the
Tabernacle. He'd say, Lord, I've done the
best I can. It's your church.
And I think, you know, there's a nice way to just kind of let go
and surrender and say, look, I turn this all over to our Lord
and through the through Mary. A lot of us as Catholics, it's
always through Mary and and Mary takes it to our Lord.
And so we, we just say, you know, I entrust this into your
hands, do something good with it.
God right straight with crooked lines.
You know, we have a nation that's very much now lost in so
many ways. We're on the brink of Scott
Perry, Congressman Scott Perry said of losing our Republic.
Yet in the midst of all that, there is still a grace that is
knowing that we have a new opportunity each and every day
to choose life, to choose to protect life and defend life and
the behold the dignity of the human person.
And I think at the end of the day, if you go a step away from
your decision, your choices you make, Did I uphold the dignity
of the human person today? Did I build up the Kingdom of
God today? If you can say that you should
put your head on the pillow at night and have peace and not be
so concerned about all the problems going on in the world,
but just that problem that you had, as as Mother Teresa would
say, Calcutta is in your home, you don't need to go to Calcutta
to find Jesus. So it's in our home.
It's in our workplace. It's in, you know the, you know,
Congress, right. And and and if I can influence
one person or maybe help to improve the life of one person,
you know, at the. I didn't share this with you.
When when after we were arrested, the whole world came
out upon us and my family in love and support.
And one guy reached out to to me about a month or two any cities
in the heartland of America. And he said, I'm a lousy
Catholic but seeing what's happening to you is bringing me
back to church. I thought, you know what?
Save a soul. Save your own soul.
I would go through that punishment and persecution just
for that guy. That made it all worthwhile.
And I think at the end of the day, that's what we're measuring
here. It's not macro.
It's got to be totally micro. And you know, the Saints that
you're raising up and your four children and and the wife that
you're helping get to heaven like that is really at the end
of the day, the measure of success.
You know, at the end of the day, God's not going to judge me on
my on my judgement Day for how well I push forward a bill in
Congress, although that might influence a lot of lives.
He's going to say, I gave you your wife, I gave you those
children and did you tell them about me?
Did you teach them about me? And ultimately, that's the my
primary judgement is in that realm.
And then outside that realm is maybe Congress, and outside that
realm is my neighbors. But if I get that wrong that
that helped me, the person that God put in my life to help me
get to heaven. And those children, they're in
my custody and I didn't teach them about Jesus.
That God help you if that. If you fail in that mission,
that's the most important mission.
I love that story about the guy reaching out to you, because
we've had a couple of those people reach out.
They can go to the website, they go to kyleseraphin.com.
There's a contact form there. And so I just get all kinds of
stuff. Some of it's mental illness and
that's really sad and I don't know what else to do about that.
But people tell me about the Afghan surveillance teams that
are following them and I go, oh God, you can't help that person.
But I got I've had a number of people like a like a a decent
number of people that have said you know I walked away from the
church whatever their church was or whether the Catholic Church.
And I'm taking another look at it because of the example that
people like you or that more more often especially when my
buddy Garrett O Boyle comes on who is Catholic adjacent.
We're working on him still he's going to come in we're we're
going to end up winning the the battle there.
People don't know that but there's a small little advocacy
group happened Garrett went to Marquette and and that's the
other thing. A lot of my suspendables Steve
friend Catholic adjacent went to Notre Dame.
You know there's there's a piece of that that that has existed.
It's very interesting that it's there's a book coming out around
that Catholic vote put out that's called Catholics How
Catholics Save America and some of it is, is by being targeted
which is very weird that the FBI picked I just love that they
picked the wrong crew. They just found the wrong people
right at the wrong time to start going after that push and and
they made an example of people that historically have always
kind of risen to that challenge. Plenty of screw ups in the
church over many years, but but not the ideas of it.
I think those have always done really well.
All right, last good question for you, because I just realized
that I'm sitting here staring at Mount Rushmore on your hoodie.
Was that a specific choice or was that just what you had on
today? You know, it was an accident.
It was. But with God, there are no
coincidences, right? I mean, look here, here, we, I
didn't even think about it. In fact, when we got on, I
thought, oh, that's kind of cool.
Look, we have George Washington, who, you know, here's a man who
didn't even want to serve his second term and said, no, I need
to do it for the good of Republic, right.
And then of course, you know you have the assassinated Abraham
Lincoln. I it was not by design.
But I tell you, these men do inspire me.
And they're not perfect men. They're imperfect men.
They're imperfect men and but they're transformed and they had
their own journey. And and you know, I love Teddy
Roosevelt soon and the man in the arena.
I mean, that should be for men. We should, we should put that
right on our desk. And that's really our measuring
stick. You know, that man, Yeah.
I mean, he was shot giving a speech and he continued to
finish the speech. Whatever was in his pocket for
saved his life. But he he delivered.
He let them know that he was shot and he continued on with
this. There's not a man's man.
I don't know who is the. Most masculine president, you
know, You know he used to do a thing called wolf noodling.
Are you familiar with that? No.
It's fighting wolves barehanded, but you put on like this leather
gauntlet on your wrist so that they can they can bite into it
and then you subdue the wolf with your hands.
That was something that he was known for doing.
You're like, wait a minute, we had a president that used to go
fight wolves barehanded. Just, you know.
Yeah, exactly. Great, great examples of of true
one masculinity but to a service right, service, service based
leadership. Which would be it'd be nice if
people knew that in Congress. Maybe you can.
Maybe that will be your your your life's work.
You didn't even know that you might have a bigger life's work.
If you can get out there and just teach some of them that the
purpose is not for the the Congress to serve them, but
maybe that they can go back to what they're supposed to do.
You know, that's so important. It's such a good point and and I
think it needs to be said over and over again.
Look, you know this is, this is we're doing this because we love
America. We're doing this because we love
the freedoms that we have and and and our founding fathers
wanted citizens, normal citizens to serve their community and
serve the state and stir serve their government and then be
done with it and and this career politicians and the you know you
got to be and you got to stick around for a while to get some
stuff done. I get that but you know what
it's it's not to become a multi millionaire.
I don't think you know politics is designed for that, yet
everyone that sticks around is is a multi millionaire.
So I I just don't understand that the love of money is the
root of all evil. And I'm not saying money is
evil. But when we see the type of
money that's done and and the and the way this money is is
dirty, this this dark money is is moved around just to keep
people in power. It becomes one of the most evil
things that that we have in our in our country.
And so we have to get to get in, serve and remind people like
this is our duty, this is our sacred duty to do this.
And it's our honor, it's our honor to be able to serve our
people that way. So that's what I'm hoping for.
And I'm I'm hoping that it'll resonate with our voters in the
first District in. Pai also do people have asked me
if I'm like who I'm endorsing for anything and I I'll endorse
Steve Friend if he wants to run for president and I'll endorse
you. That's about it.
So far it's got it's got to get pretty, pretty down in the weeds
for me to get really excited about any political candidates.
But I'm really excited that you've gotten in and and I
appreciate you taking on the burden of it which many people
will think you know maybe it's it's a popularity contest or
fun. I I'm thinking it's probably
exactly the opposite, that it sounds awful and and I don't
envy you for doing it, but I I am appreciative that you've
decided to take on what should be a real burden, and I'm sure
it is for you and your family. Yeah.
So look, we're going to take our friends with us, so I'm going to
be calling Kyle Seraphin to come and serve in my administration.
You're making my nightmare come true right now.
That's the worst thing that I can hear.
It sounds awful. It.
Truly does. But I I look forward to being
like having a couple of decent men in in a place that could
maybe turn the tide, bring a little bit of point of light
into something has been pretty dark.
Let's let people know where they can follow you any, any place
you want to plug. By all means, whatever the best
place is first and then we'll work them out.
Yeah, How for congress.com is the 1st place HOUCKFOR Congress
and there's all our social media connected to the campaign.
You can also learn more about my ministry at the kingsmen.org and
of course that's that's my full time job.
And so, you know, Congress is this busy side hustle that
doesn't pay me, you know anything.
So go to thekingsmen.org if you want to learn more about our
mission there and we continue to do that as well.
So those those would be the the main ones.
I really appreciate you taking time out of the day.
I appreciate you doing an unpaid side hustle.
I know a little bit about the side hustle that pays nothing.
I told people I was a government transparency activist.
The pay is crap, but but the rewards are mediocre because
they don't usually work out for your favor anyway.
Mark, you're good, man. You're good.
You're good American and you're great Catholic and you're great
example. So thanks so much for spending
time with us today. Well, thank you, Kyle.
And it's always great to be with the Catholic Hero of the Year I.
Look, gonna just keep rubbing everything.
Another beer with you or another opportunity to to be with you.
I just want to take that raise that's coming off you right now
and take that myself. We'll do that real soon, buddy.
Thanks so much for joining me. God bless you all right?
All right folks, that is it for today's Kyle Sarapich.
I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.
I love talking to Mark. Such a good dude 100%.
And while we're talking about people that we love, talk about
the merch store. You guys can check out the merch
store. You can go support GOB Actual,
my buddy Garrett O'boyle. Check out the Dash
suspendables.com. It's the Dash suspendables.com.
Don't forget the Dash. Use the promo code, Kyle.
Why? I don't know.
Which is 7010%. It doesn't matter.
You don't need to, but you're going to support it and you're
going to be able to find all kinds of interesting T-shirts,
like this one here. This is the PT shirt.
This is for doing your physical training or if you just want to
March around and have a nice fitting shirt.
Super comfortable. It's got the stenciled logo in
the back and you can wear it with Ranger panties and you'll
look almost exactly like what I used to wear when I was active
duty in the middle military going through all of the
training that I did. It looks good, even with sweat
on it. That's actually the best thing
about the PT shirt. We talked about those pins.
You guys can see them on there. You can get three of those pins
at the white ones. Mark out sporting one of them.
We're going to get him one of the limited edition black ones
as well. But folks support Garrett
O'boyle and the O'boyle family Sweatshop at the Dash
suspendables.com. You can use the promo code Kyle
to save 10%. That's it for the show.
Today we got a five star review in front of you.
We really appreciate you guys paying attention and I hope you
support Mark help. You can follow him on all the
Twitter pages. We'll throw that in the links
that'll be in the show description And until then how
about a five star review from one of our wonderful listeners
on the Apple podcast system. This is from old Medic 35 says
great show, five stars, entertaining and informative as
always. I hope that was the same, the
same situation you had listening to Mark and you know even if
he's going to give me a hard time about the the Catholic hero
thing we're going to we're going to shame the Catholic Catholic
vote folks into getting it over there.
The the whole hout family won last year.
That's what it that's what it came down to.
If you guys didn't know. Some of you are new to that
story. Let's also let's shut it down.
I hope you guys have a great day.
We'll see you again tomorrow and God bless, be safe.
See you soon. Thanks for listening to the Kyle
Serafin Show, streamed live weekdays on rubble.com/kyle
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