Prepare to hear the truth from a real whistleblower, an American
Patriot, here's civil liberties, enthusiasts, Second Amendment,
Defender and indefinitely suspended.
FBI agent. Kyle seraphin.
Hello my friends and welcome to the Kyle serif and show today is
Friday it's the 17th. It's been a big news day over
here at the Kyle 7 show and we are going to be joined by my
buddy. Stephen friend.
Steve. Welcome to the show for this
Friday afternoon. Thank you very much.
It's good to be out of District 1 for sure.
You spent some of the time today in the, in the swamp dealing
with sort of the Slime that exist there and sounds like you
picked up some of that swamps come in your nose too buddy.
I did man. That that flight to d.c. is is
just as germs of swirled around every time.
Yeah. Plus it just you know it lands
in like scum pocket and it takes off.
It's kind of Amazing Phil and I spend a lot of time in DC and if
you're not used to it then your immune system can't handle it.
You're used to Too Much freedom and fresh air down there in
Florida. Yeah, yeah.
The freedom is definitely the main key theater.
I think, I think the best view that I had of DC was on my way
out, as I told John Sullivan history day, that is the best
view of DC. You're leaving it like rearview
or underneath you on the wing of a plane.
Yeah, yes. All right.
So we've got some fun access to you.
We're going to talk about things that are I think going to be
interesting to folks because you went to d.c. to be deposed by
the new weaponization committee subcommittee under the house.
Judiciary. Is that correct?
Yes. Yes, it was called a transcribed
interview, but essentially, it's a deposition.
Ian. Okay.
Have you done a deposition before or just regular Court
testimony? No.
Just regular court. So I was, I was ready for the
full thing was waiting for them to start arguing front of a
judge, but the lawyers managed to do all that same thing
without an a referee, no referee needed.
So what are the format look like?
Explain to people kind of what the what the room looked like,
maybe you know how you guys were arranged and then, you know, is
it a is an adversarial or a contentious or is it you know,
Collegian or what? Yeah, it was definitely.
Experience. I was not expecting it to be
exactly like that. It was a pretty large room.
I thought it was gonna be more like a regular conference room
but they had a big table sat next to my two lawyers on one
side and then the Republican staffers and a couple of
congressmen actually would ask me questions for an hour and and
then after an hour we take a five-minute break and then the
Democrats would take those seats.
Directly in front of me, they keep swapping seats.
And and then they would ask why? Russians it was very important.
They need to be directly in front of me to establish that
right eye contact. And so we just had to share.
They need to share a cushion that had the same beer farts as
the people before them, I guess. Exactly.
I was like, man, I would not, I don't like sitting down on a,
you know, public toilet, just for that reason.
I kind of like, to have my personal spot, but apparently,
you know, if you're in, d.c. already caught the virus, so you
doesn't really matter where you sit, and, and they said they
rotated. So one hour on Republicans won
our Democrats. They did that twice.
So both sides, got two full hours with me and then they both
had about 10 more minutes at the end.
So the total time on Under Fire, was probably like two and a half
or four, and a half hours. So Steve.
All right, so we got this big room.
We got people, swapping seats, let's get into the substance of
the matter. What kind of questions were you
expecting? And then what sort of questions
did you actually receive? And maybe from, Both sides to
well, the Republicans were therefore actual for the
committee's purpose. The Whites Whites actually
existing. So they were asking me about the
nature of my complaint that I brought forward and to go into
the details of it. And then they actually got into
what happened in my wife's face book account that they had seen.
They asked about the bureau's treatment of whistleblowers and
how they said, no to getting a new job and all that.
So they were trying to portray me very favorably.
And then also, Get do me a favor, expand the thing about
the no job. That's so people can know
because you had a kind of a moment that happened with that
too. Right?
Yeah. Well, I had to so, yeah, you get
walked out. They give you the FD 331 to seek
outside employment. I got offered a position at at
Center for renewing America. I contacted the bureau filled
out the paperwork and on that paperwork.
It says, if you're going to work for a 501 c 3, you have to
coordinate with the office of integrity and It's attorneys.
Okay, call that guy up. He told him the name of the
organization and he he must have pulled it up on his computer
because he was like, I think you're going to have problems
because the first thing that comes up on this website is to
fund the FBI. Listen, it's a reasonable
position and it's a First Amendment position that we can
advocate for even as FBI employees, right?
Yeah. Well, you would think but I did
they. I think that I do and submitted
it and I told them look, I need a decision forthwith.
Because I want to start with them as soon as possible.
Obviously, I'm on paid for extended period of time, right?
And they took it and in one business day, came back and said
rejected, well you got to give him credit for doing.
That's the fastest decision, the government's ever made.
Oh yeah, yeah. And then I was also told that it
was going to be a decision by, oh, I see and then Human
Resources Division. But the actual form when it was
given to my ASAC, she they said executive management said now.
So my ASAC apparently The put the kibosh on it before it even
got to hrd. I used to always get the
executive management says this thing from from my supervisor
and it was always a lie, it was always her, just individual
opinion but we're falling off that actually front office.
Says yeah, the front office is Unified.
Really these easy office talking to me right now?
Why don't we just say, Bob's name?
That's right. Yeah, so many euphemisms for
just incompetence right on every level.
All right, so they denied you the job that didn't work well
for you clearly. We're going to take that and I'm
glad you didn't. So you accepted the job and then
what was the advice that you had going in there based on
accepting this job? Like what were your attorneys
advising? Well we decided that
strategically. It would make more sense for me
to resign as an FBI agent before I went in and get that on the
record when they do your initial, who are you?
How do you spell your name? Who do you work for?
So I could just kind of nonchalantly, say I'm a fellow
for Center for renewing America and then Have them be.
What do you mean? And I can't explain how I was
mr. Witter.
What are you the fellow of? I believe I'm a senior fellow so
I believe your senior fellow to what are you the senior do they
add you? What?
Senior Fellowship you have? Yes, I'm advising on.
Domestic intelligence and security.
That's fantastic. It's good to know a fellow.
I'm not going to add senior to it because I'm senior to you in
age and so Fail by the way. So we're going to just call you
a fellow but I think you're a jolly good fellow at that and
I'm very glad that that is the title you get to put on not just
a fellow but also an author. World-famous author.
World-famous IQ him. You have orders coming in from
like, Saudi Arabia right now or what?
We'll definitely from Sputnik. Oh, that's true.
Which was brought up mind you in.
Okay. So carry on, keep telling me
more about this. So they're asking you questions.
The Republicans are trying to get your story out.
Yes. And and in theory, this could be
a very easily bipartisan issue. I think, right?
Yes. I and even if you do not think
my complaint is legitimate. And you think that I'm either
crazy E person or politically partisan person.
The best thing you could do would be to just disprove the
veracity of my complaint and then dismiss it whole cloth
which is what the FBI should be doing if they're actually doing
a real investigation but like the FBI it appears the the
Democrat side of this committee is just going to invest all of
its energy and resources into discrediting.
Me not the actual nature of my delegation.
So there's a, there's Concept in and when you're doing debate and
there's a concept when you are doing a logical discussion or
argument with someone that the minute that it devolves into a
dominance which is to say attacking the man as opposed to
tacking the message when there's an ad hominem and that becomes
the sole line of attack that means you've already won.
Do you feel like you already won going in there?
And seeing that? They all they wanted to do is
discredit you? Yes, yes, I well and I was
utterly unimpressed by the legal.
Oil Eagles that were sitting across the table from me.
I deep down. I was kind of like well these
guys represent Congressman, but I mean I've been disappointed by
doctors in the last few years and FBI agent.
So I don't know why lawyers would be any different.
That's right, tell me more about who you were facing down and
with their Steely eyes in there and their ad hominem attacks.
It was primarily one, but they were lawyers who worked for
Jerry Nadler and he's an impressive human being, right?
He has that Little of authority. That really makes me scared when
I see him. He's the closest human
representation to to the Penguin from Batman Returns.
Yes, that the Danny DeVito, Danny DeVito.
Yeah, it's like The Flipper hands and I don't know if I've
ever seen now. Those hands.
I don't mean to be an ad hominem attack her but it's really,
really hard to focus on what he's saying when you look at the
fact that the man has to like have somebody put him into a
highchair to be able to speak like he's so small, I didn't
realize. That either.
But I saw him on the street with flaccus and he like sort of like
waddled into a car and it was like what a weird country we
live in where this utterly unimpressive, human being who
has no sentient thoughts that matter on any level other than
kind of just blathering partisanship and and then he
sent his utterly unimpressive ad hominem attackers to come after
you legal, hinge, men and women as it were men or women, which
one, it was all females that did the questioning interesting.
Well, that's diversity for you. So what other fun questions can
you recall? That would be interesting to.
I'm not saying other whistleblowers May listen to
this, but if they did, we couldn't stop them because this
is America. And if they so chose to prepare
themselves, what might they prepare for?
I think they they must listen to the Kyle Serafin.
Show. Well I know they do because they
brought you up in the deposition say more about this.
This is my new favorite topic continue.
So you know you are a part of the Congressional Record sir.
Sir. Oh, that's so good.
They are, they asked me how many appearances that I make and how
much compensation that I receive have you ever been compensated
by the Kyle Surf? And show our budget is pretty
tight in your Pearls of Wisdom and and tales about your
training agent or just the payment I need.
That's so good. How many appearances have you
made on our show? Do you know?
I asked him ate it. I think is probably somewhere
like, eight to ten. Maybe, I don't know.
It's producer. Phil could probably pull that
up. He could.
But I See, that's a safe estimate eight or ten, seems,
right? People love hearing what you
have to say. I love talking to you because
you're my body. I was talking about you, the
other day to somebody and I said, Steve and I have actually
never met in person, but I that's really hard for me to
wrap my head around because I feel like we hang out all the
time. Yes, yes.
I mean you're my work wife at this point, right?
Correct. That's wonderful.
That's very embarrassing and on every level that's strange.
All right, so what other they brought up the cows are 5000.
They wanted to know if your Compensated.
That was kind of a theme. They want to know that you were
profiting off your whistle blowing, correct?
Yes, yes. And they they were trying to
hammer me much like the security division did on your permission
to speak to the media, which seemed to be news to them.
Again that I had gained permission and then yes.
How much were you compensated by Kyle Surf?
And how much were you compensated by Glenn Beck?
And how much as you think about those t-shirts that we sell?
Yes, that was brought up, Sir this day is anyone over those?
Shirts are one, is the FBI holding those t-shirts?
And to is anybody making money on this?
Like, do we even know where the money goes?
My mom got hers. My mom got hers yesterday.
Oh good. Yes.
It, which is also part of the
Congressional Record. They asked me about my
knowledge, about the t-shirts and I said, I know my mom got
one. Did you tell them?
You helped design it? Yes, I told them that, you know,
between all of us, we have started a venture capital, t
shirt production business. That apparently takes four weeks
to deliver one shirt. Yeah.
And its profit margin. Is the low 54.
Sorry, the low three figures. Right now I think Phil what did
you tell me? We made like a hundred and
thirty eight dollars off this and it's just sitting in an
account somewhere that nobody knows about.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's just sitting out there in cyberspace, you know, not
collecting interest and not really growing much because
people are afraid to order shirts that take we invest in
egg Futures with that. Yeah, we're going to buy some
egg future. So it's an excellent point.
This Administration has made them the strangest Things become
Commodities. Probably also a vintage It's
about science would be really useful like biology textbooks
from 10 years ago. Probably a vastly growing Market
that The Homeschool crowd is going to want to access to.
So they don't have this weird biology lesson about whether or
not you need a penis to be a male newsflash, unless it got
cut off in a weird way, you do. So your buddy, your buddy, Dan
bungee? No might be a little upset with
the Democrat attorneys. They didn't know his name and
they were not familiar with. Bungee knows name it.
There were like dude, Ann Bain. Band Fun, they couldn't say it
and I mean, I think about full. Yeah.
That's that's the goat right there.
I like to imagine that Dan is Italian.
But I actually realized I've never asked him, like, what,
his, what his ethnic Heritage is, it has kind of a Italian e
sound to it. And he has kind of that, that,
that all of his skin. I'll tell you a funny story has
nothing to do with any of those. But my wife and I went to Cancun
for one of my friends weddings, which was obnoxious because we
actually sold our car and then went and used all the money from
the car sale. Go on this stupid wedding, he's
a wonderful human being. He's like one of my best friends
but still I was like a little frustrated.
They cost me and it was a cheap car.
That's why I was like two grand together many years ago.
So we go to his wedding. We're walking around.
My wife is Italian and just gets this deep deep all of tan.
She doesn't really burn, which is I'm kind of jealous of that
in a weird way. And she would always tell me how
she had darker skin at me. But now she's a mom.
So she's always indoors like dealing with babies and she
didn't have time so she doesn't get this default and also its
there's snow On the ground outside of my little trailer
here. So these people come up and they
go oh you're such a lovely tan or whatever and my wife who was
let's say it like two or three Margaritas into the day because
it was all you all inclusive resort in Cancun.
She walks past me and she tells me and she cuz they don't know
that. I'm not all white, it's like
what and she was like, I'm Italian.
And I was like, is that a thing? And then we had a really
interesting moment, we're discussing that Italians
historically in this country were not considered quote
unquote, White people until very recently.
That's like a 50 year old concept if not younger.
And so anyway I always get a kick out of Dan.
Dan has the same kind of complexions my wife so I imagine
that he's Italian but Italian names are kind of American names
kind of like pizza and spaghetti.
I don't get it. Why can they not pronounce Dan's
name? That seems really rude.
I mean, I just don't think that they are in the habit of
watching or listening to his world-famous podcast.
Well, that's why they don't know the truth about America, right?
Correct or incorrect. They're trying to be immune from
the facts. And I'm just saying I'll listen
to the damn Gina to share just a couple times.
And I know his intro, his intro brings it and just saying that's
a shame that these people don't want to know the facts, they
live in Washington, they don't want it.
So any any hits that they scored, they feel like maybe
they got some chalk on their side of the win column or no, I
really don't think so. I felt pretty much in control
the whole time. You know, it's one of these
situations where I was like what they could be the world's
greatest interrogator or lawyer, but a few of the facts on your
side. Then there's not a whole lot,
they can do with it and it. The truth.
He tried to hit me with the, the January 6th, folks, the being a
sympathizer with, you know, a 3% or proud boy or an oath keeper
or something like that. They tried to hint at that.
But, you know, I like it on my lawyers going in the whole gist
of my complaint was always the process problems with it.
Like, look if we violate people's rights, it doesn't
matter what they do. And actually it's worse because
you might let somebody Buddy, who should be in jail all out or
lose on appeal because you didn't follow the process.
And there was a point there where they kind of describe one
of the one of the guys who was on the arrest operation that I
didn't participate in. That's brought about my entire
suspension and they're like, what do you think of this guy's
is get up and I just had that. Boyd said, he looks like a
really bad guy. He, he should probably go to
jail for the bad things. He did, had to be really a shame
to lose on appeal because we violated his civil rights.
Right. And they provide, all right,
we're moving on to the next topic.
Yeah, that's called. I just said the thing that
everybody would say about this because Law Enforcement Officers
tend to defend Law Enforcement Officers when the officers are
in the right and when they're not in the right then we care
about the process. So I did a podcast.
It's a couple days ago and people can see that it's called.
The government has no interest in the outcome and and that's
essentially what you're saying. I don't know if you were on the
stage this space with Bill Shipley the other day
Shipwrecked crew. But yeah I'm statement which I
thought was profound is That the FBI and the doj do not have an
interest in the outcome of criminal prosecutions.
At least they're not, they're not supposed to their job is to
be pure of process and let the justice system, which is also
the other half. The adversarial half, which is
the defense. And also, the jury is supposed
to make their own decisions. We're weighing in on the scales
in a weird way and I think you just said it perfectly.
It's like, it doesn't matter. We just go get the facts.
We don't get paid anymore. Did you ever get like a bonus
for getting a conviction? No, no.
No bonuses for convictions. And the only bonuses I got were
recently for working child pornography, which they took me
off of, to work, of course, j6 cases, which congressman Gates
was, was wise to bring up and discuss with me.
So we he was there and as it was Dan Bishop, so I was, I was
pretty happy with that because Congress is on recess this week.
So those guys were enough away from home volved in in this
select committee that they came back early to participate.
It in this deposition with me. Which I thought bodes well for
you know how serious they are taking it that's good.
I am glad that they had actual members of Congress coming in to
ask you questions that it shows a certain amount of respect for
the information that you brought.
So that's helpful. You do you think that there was
a reason why you were a transcribed interview, a
deposition type as opposed to being in front of the cameras.
The way our friend FBI Miami Barbie was out there and Did you
by chance if you cry. When you mention any of the
cases you worked on? No, I didn't cry, but I did
brief them up on the operation that went badly in Miami for the
child pornography raid where they had the two agents get
killed. Yeah.
Tell me what, you know about that because I know a little bit
about as well for my friends there.
Yeah. The the guy who was actually
supervising the time I had across past with him on a joint
operation that he did up in my area and you know offline kind
of had this. Discussion with them and he
filled me in on some of the details of it.
And basically, he was supposed to be in charge that day, but he
had had the night before a hands on offense, that he got involved
with investigating and the victim of that tested positive
for covid. So he was not allowed to come to
the operation the next day. So they were sort of without
their regular supervisor and then it was kind of this
hodgepodge of of agents that Guy brought in.
He said, look, they're all good people but it wasn't our regular
routine. And then they made the mistake
of sort, of negotiating at the door with this guy as opposed to
being more kinetic in their action and they were negotiating
in front of a window. Yes.
And and and then, the one part, I don't know if you heard this
about the local law enforcement. Well they claim to be local law
enforcement but they're wearing FBI placards and he had camera
showing who they were no, no there.
What they had local PD, they're on the perimeter and I guess he
so he told me that they've gone back and watched the body.
Camera and the officers are saying to each other.
That's the FBI's fight. We're not getting involved in
that and stayed back when there was shooting.
Yes, that's ugly. So, the other thing that's
really gross to, and this is the saddest thing for me, because I
worked SOG as, you know, and so did Phil, and SOG is good for
the things that it's good for the, the surveillance units are
very good at knowing when people go places, especially when they
develop a pattern and this guy had a pattern of leaving his
house. So folks, I'm digging deep into
this thing's just for a moment, but he get a pattern of leaving
his house. Run 8 a.m. or 9 a.m. it, doesn't
matter what it was. It was some regular time in the
morning and he walked to work. He went on foot and they could
have easily grabbed him when he came out.
But instead the FBI insisted on this sort of procedural
stupidity that we do, which is that every search warrant has to
be served at 06:00 by banging on a door.
And then either try to talk people out or banging the door
down with the ram but really it is a place for being a little
bit more intelligent about it and I think that was kind of one
of the arguments that you made that you're supposed to use the
right arrest tool. Tool for the right subject and
sometimes that's a summons and sometimes it's just, you know, a
knock and talk and sometimes if it's a break the door down at 6
a.m. and sometimes it's a surveillance, interdiction where
you grab somebody in the open. Yeah.
And and there's no need to use an elephant gun to kill a mouse.
That's that's what I keep saying to media.
And I might have used that actually in the, in the
deposition, but as far as just being having to do a deposition,
first being as charitable as I can to that consideration, I
think that that Nicole Parker wasn't going to be offering a
lot of concrete information, so maybe she wasn't going to be
hammered so much by the minority and they kind of wanted to flush
out with the material. I was prepared to bring to the
table and see and they don't know me, they don't know if I'm
going to be when these guys that, you know, gets up and
starts screaming and flip the table over and how I'm going to
react to anything adversarial. So maybe there's a little bit of
preparation. But I'm hoping that, you know,
what Garrett told them, what George told me, what I told them
that they see, like, we have the goods here.
It's not just appeal to emotion with tears and talk about the
good old days and no, that's, that's really the piece to it
has nothing to do with emotion as nothing to apologetics and
least not for me. I actually just tweeted out a
piece by got it, do you know Trevor Aaronson as are you
familiar with him? That sounds familiar.
So he wrote a book called the terror factory that actually
feel recommended to me. Yes, early on and left me
though. He's a lefty.
Hmm, and he's got problems with the FBI to, as you should when
the FBI does things, which is like manufacturing terrorism
cases and I don't care if they're going after people.
I don't agree with the BLM premises and yet, I think you
would agree that if BLM people are doing violence, then they
should be stopped. And if they are just protesting,
Should be allowed to protest. That's what you and I swore to
do to protect that, right? Mhm.
Yeah, and so anyway, he wrote a book, he wrote a big paper about
how antifa and BLM were basically infiltrated by FBI.
In Denver. It's in my Twitter feed if
people want to go find it but he has a new podcast.
It's a 10 part series called the alphabet boys talking about
paying this like violent felon to infiltrate as a CHS into BLM
stuff in Denver. It's totally bizarre but it's
not a partisan issue. The FBI sucks.
But did they different Some people's rights.
Yeah, it's right down the middle, I would think.
And this has to come out in the actual televised hearings.
And the reason it's probably more important that it comes out
for these hearings as opposed to January 6 hearings is that was
complete appeal to emotion. The people that were emotionally
invested in the January 6 committee hearings.
There was other people there watching it every day, for hours
and hours and hours. There was an eleven of them
Nationwide. I think it was the entire CNN,
viewbot, it was, at least a dozen, at least it was slightly.
Than the Kyle Serafin, show audience, but I think, I think
people have a limited bandwidth for keeping up.
They don't want to watch this thing for two years, but if you
bring something like, you've been bringing out on Twitter and
you see how people get fired up and now how, you know, you got a
bleeder on your little pocket knife slash at the Godzilla, you
love any kind of that too. It's such a good such a good
visual and we can do that and we can do that with Witnesses and
people will then, you know, they don't, they have to tune in for
hours and watch, you know them, go back and forth.
With and virtue signal and try to get campaign ads for YouTube,
but the information can get pushed out in a more digestible
format and then that'll get the voters and the public at large
fired up and I think ultimately it's building an Arsenal for
next for this fall where there's going to be this budget
negotiation where they can say. Well look FBI, your budget is
cut significantly and you can't use these funds for x y and z.
Domestic intelligence probably being X y&z, it should be for
sure. Did your experience being
interviewed? Therefore, this this transcribe
interviewed to that give you more or less hope and what the
committee's doing? Jerry's out.
But I was very encouraged by having having Gates and Bishop
there because you know, obviously they didn't have to
be, they could have said staff and it wasn't just there were
there for moral support to shake my hand or you know, get a
picture or something. I like they had questions
prepared ahead of time. They done their homework, but I
mostly something about rhetoric. Do you mind kind of relating
that I remember you telling me about Jason that?
It sounded funny. That's probably his story for
people. He's, yeah, he's an attorney.
So he, we were talking about my sick, security division,
interview and how widely accused me of inciting violence with my
column about the Soper. Folks, if you haven't heard this
interview, go back and listen to the SEC D experience, is that
what we called it? Phil But we caught something
else. Yeah, I think you've thought
about calling it something like suck my D.
I think which is terrible, but but I think we called it the SEC
D experience and so anyway, good looks of that if you want to
hear what Steve have when he was interrogated by The Bureau and
how he got the best of some of these clowns that apparently
English is a second or third language.
Yeah. All right.
So that's, that's the reference that were talking about which he
either heard the Kyle Serafin. Show.
Or how do you think, you know, I was talking about how the bureau
is sort of weaponized against whistleblowers and how I'd go.
Into this security division interview and it was absurd.
And I said, look, I wrote a column, I didn't get paid for
it. Democrats, and in this column of
there was a quote that said, this is a rhetorical Call to
Arms for my fellow civil servants and SEC.
D said that I was inciting Violence by using the phrase
Call to Arms. And Congressman Gates looked at
me deadpan and said, we're you calling for violence?
And I said, no, that's why I use the word rhetorical.
He responded because the rhetorical means words right?
At the City Assessor it does. And we just moved on to the next
topic. Did he laugh at all?
Yeah, he left at that and they laughed at the fact that I had a
tsse, i clearance to go into a skiff and turn the alarm off
that came up to so yes you just repeated the SEC D experience,
but you did it with ad hominem attacks from different people.
This time I did it with the benefit of having a Had an after
action review on the Kyle Serafin show where I could snark
it up even more. That's a true, it's so good.
So that's fun. What are the things we would you
expose about? Or would you like people to know
about the experience and then we'll move on to how you've been
living? Well, with a private Chef for
the last, like, 48 hours or something.
Yeah, man, it was like, dinosaur eggs.
Like you said that is her exams? Did you need an Entourage?
If you're gonna have dinosaur egg, like, what was that?
Those are Chappelle Show, wasn't it, right?
Is that Its egg. I'm gonna, hey, I've got it's so
bad. Laughing are, you can always,
it's been fossilized and he had that like horrible T-Rex omelet
or whatever. That's so kesari.
Good, we're getting sidetracked. Here you yeah, wrap up with what
I was able to. I was very happy to introduce
the last column that I wrote that that information about the
the IPM, the integrated program management, the field office,
strategic planning, and the threat review, prioritization
trp, this is what you call Moneyball.
Crime. Correct Moneyball and Minority
Report combined. Yeah.
And explain to those guys just in real surface level how they
set these ridiculous metrics and these are things that George
Hill talked about in a prior episode with you.
Yeah. And and and how then it kind of
interferes even with the the tempo of our work.
If it's right just work and how, you know, you have a delay in
dieting, a subject because we need those numbers in the next
fiscal year. So wait a couple months and when
I said that I thought their heads were going to explode.
So It's a really important thing that I think that this committee
needs to look into. I think a lot of problems are
Downstream from that and it's obviously tied to the SES
compensation and and you have to generate all these Intel will
products, certain quantity and them, which is how we get to the
radical traditional Catholics being pushed out, maybe one of
the motivating factors thermal exhaust Port.
Yep. Yep.
So brought that forward and and then quickly departed and flew
back to Florida because I had to speak at a panel.
Agent last night it with the Palm Beach Republican Club.
With one of my fellow colleagues from Center for renewing
America. Another fellow.
No jet is Jeff Clark. He's in more of an executive
role he was the, he was former Department of Justice was
actually in line to take over as acting attorney general when
Bill bar or resigned. And and as he was explaining
last night, you know, he's kind of gotten the Roger stone
treatment and For having looked at some election, malfeasance it
happen in 2020 and walk outside in his underwear for a search
warrant, which oig executed, I don't good.
Yeah, he said they were 1811 said they were armed and they
brought they brought local PD with them because they wanted
the body. Cam footage of him in his
underwear outside of his house. That's thoughtful.
Yep, I'm going to start sleeping in no underwear.
Then that's gonna be my move with a holster though, right?
Yeah obviously we're not for not getting ridiculous.
The leg rig will be ridiculous. So I want to, I want to point
out something that I think, I think you'll agree with, but I
don't know for a fact. And so we're going to just kind
of dive into this for a second. The FBI suspended you
indefinitely without pay. They suspended me indefinitely
without pay they did. So, without any regard to
whatever we brought to the table in the investigative sphere, you
know, they didn't size up. The opponents, say these are
people that were willing to cross.
They just said these people are conscientious objectors to fill
in the blank policy. So we're going to crush them.
Do you think that they had any idea that we were going to get
involved in what we're doing right now and come after them
the way that we have not a chance?
There's no way then they did not anticipate that shelving us.
What? Actually unleashes.
I think that they're just really used to using this security
clearance process and then they just lean on people.
And and I don't think we're unique within the bureau, I
think we're probably more unique within the general public and
being people they're sort of Proof financially when we didn't
have to work beholden to having to leave immediately and then
and just being unafraid to speak back and say, look, he'll step
to me, man. That's, you know, that's just
not going to be a problem for me.
That should be the standard, but it's not.
I'm going to, I want to dig into that even a little bit further
because I think there's something really interesting
about that and I agree with you, by the way, I think it's the
thing. I told you the first day that we
spoke the first day that you the day, after you went public and
our your name was sort of released on top.
And ran a Divine and all that. And I just said, you know, pick
the door and I'll go through it with you and and I still feel
that way which is a nice thing to feel.
After a couple of months of this sort of protracted information
war, did you feel like you had a strong Mastery of the Faust of
the, the integrated threat Management program of any of
these metric based sort of things before you left the FBI
as a suspend e? No, no ice at to the process as
an acting boss one time. Time.
And I keep saying it was like being on Cancun for spring
break. When you have like three years
of high school Spanish. I understood like every eighth
word but I was able to develop a greater understanding because of
the network that we have information out to people that
are still on the inside, who have been doing it for years and
know the problems of it, and they schooled me up and Scooby
up in a way that I could then School up the congressman.
So we're talking what, second, third grade level, right?
Well, the thing. That I'm getting at about this
in particular is that they like you said, they did, they thought
they were, they were putting us out to pasture.
And what they did is they just unleash us to do the thing that
we do, which is go find problems, identify them and then
articulate them in a way that is legally responsible.
And moreover is going to be something that is potentially
prosecutable. And so, in this case, they gave
you license to go learn about something that you would have
never been interested in. If you had a million years in
the bureau and yet on the outside of it, it's like, well,
that's one of the reasons is broken.
So you became At least a functional explainer.
If not an expert on it to be able to relay that message.
Do you like how ironic is that? What do you think about the fact
that we would have never done this without that?
Exactly. I mean and think about where you
were all you want to do is investigate Indian Reservation,
crimes. They tell you to just forgot
about you that like, how many people want to do Indian
reservations. I was doing child pornography
like just leave me alone. That's all I ever wanted and
instead was no you must you know, Must wear the ribbon like
the Seinfeld show. It's the Seinfeld.
Yeah. Why won't you wear the ribbon?
Yeah, Dave, I won't. You wear it one of us.
I mean, that was my ASAC, you know, she just couldn't
comprehend the fact that in her 24 years, nobody had Ever Raised
their hand. And said, what are we the bad
guys here? No no self-reflection
whatsoever. I'm going to I'm going to go on
that field. You have the the Twitter page is
that PIN And just a thumbs up on that one.
Yeah. Do you mind pulling up?
Do you mind pulling at the tweet that I had?
That showed the the frou-frou, whatever the heck that thing
was, it's got it. So this was about two hours ago.
Looks like it was the the production.
What is the heck is this thing? It's called the Production
Services Unit. This is the unit Chief, who is a
headquarters position? Responsible for intelligence
products, we revealed our intelligence product last week,
which you're familiar with Steve.
And this individual Created a like kind of like a pro tip.
It's the tip of the week, the tip of the week, at the end of
the week and it's in this cutesy font, right?
Phil if you could throw that sucker up, it says, always
consider all available sourcing relevant to the intelligence
question. And rigorously examine its
quality and credibility. Dude, you're thinking I was
going to go. Do the boys weren't you?
Yeah, hold on. Let me, let me finish describe
sourcing to the readers, so they can understand the evidentiary
base of the products assessment. So I I upgraded some of my cape.
Abilities. Folks.
As you can see and hear and that this not for the better, it's
just for my own amusement and most it makes T laughs.
So I mean there's a whole bunch of minute.
Elmo is the best. Yeah, it's what is it called?
Effeminate Alvin Alvin. Yeah, the Chipmunk correct.
So I'll read some of these questions that are in here.
We treated these out. If you wanna go to the Twitter
page and actually see what the FBI publishes on this, like
stationary style, document is all pink sand and script and
things like that. It's going to allow all sitting.
I used to be indecisive but now not so okay.
So let's read some more of these by the way, I don't know if it's
Male or female that runs this unit.
But based on the effeminate and feminine, you know, whatever it
is like letterhead. I'm going to just do the, the
voice that irritates me because this is how it sounds in my
head. So this is how it sounds in my
head. I hope it's offensive to people
at the FBI who were dumb enough to unleash Kyle, and Steve on
themselves. And now they have to deal with.
Like, basically, to delegate said guys, with pocket knives,
fighting Godzilla, or more likely like Wolverine little
Wolverines, it's like snarling at a giant animal and just like
ripping Being at their ankles. So here we go I'm going to read
the questions that you should consider when you're writing a
First Amendment. Violating document about whether
or not Catholics are actually white supremacist.
Is it consistent with or does it conflict with other evidence?
Is it circular reporting. But circular reporting is a
reporting, a report to itself. Is it a single outlier from your
other information? Is it sort by the pups, the
Southern Poverty Law Center is it, is it recent?
Is it real? Is a source access direct or is
it just a gripping organization that is tried to raise money
based on that being a fake? A triggered I had the source
been evaluated or is it the Southern Poverty Law Center in
the Atlantic? I'm admitting and what is the
bias of the source? What is my bias, am I buy it?
Do I hate Catholics for some reason even though I went to a
Jesuit school and my back high and is there an intent to
influence the US government? Am I trying to influence us
government do I think I am The US government.
What types of denial or deception?
May be at work? Anyway, um, so that's ridiculous
but that's what I that's what this person sent out and didn't
sign it by name. I don't know if it's a normal
thing now, but see, a Parsons pretty weak stuff there from the
announced production and intelligent management branch in
the director of intelligence in the intelligence production
section. That is the Production Services
Unit Chief. We have so many dumb names in
the FBI as Found out when you went to the office of the
integrity and applies to find out whether or not you get a job
which had nothing to do with any of those things as far as I can
tell and well done. So sorry, how are you feeling
about being a fellow being you resigned from the FBI and being
a guy who is no longer Shackled and is now literally paid to go
and disrupt FBI malfeasance. How does that feel it felt good.
It was something that I pointed out last night in my remarks, I
was like, you know, It reminds me of Romans 8:28, all things
work for the glory of God and those called, according to his
purpose, I was being investigated by the
investigators at the FBI and because of all these
circumstances I am now investigating the investigators
who are investigating me. Has I Aid in the this select
committee and hopefully bring about some real reform, so it
felt good to get that out and not have that.
That pressure. You landed on me.
Let me show you my attorneys were like, well, At this point,
you can't even put anything past the FBI.
What's to stop them from? Showing up at your house with a
search warrant for some contrived criminal violation.
And I will note that the Inspection Division upon
learning of my resignation. Within a few hours sent me an
email. Inviting me to still voluntarily
come in and do an interview with.
Are you thinking about doing that for sport or?
No, no, no. I told them, no, but I'm also
still waiting on my my training records and I heard back today.
Day, sure the FBI that even though I filled out the
paperwork to authorize the release of my training records.
To me that I need to have my attorneys authorized so they can
release it to my attorney since I'm represented by an attorney.
They have to to go through it that way, I had the same thing
from the Equal Opportunity people, they told me that even
though I wrote them in writing that you can send us and I see
see my attorney. Please respond with the
information. They said, No, we can't do that
because you need to fill out our dumb form, and you have to print
it and then sign it, and then scan it and then send it back to
us. And I just said, just send it to
me. I'll send it to him.
I don't need you. You clowns, there they are,
people who work a job, so that the job can exist, not because
the job needs to be done, self, looking ice cream cone.
That's and I mean, there's so many, there's so many analogies
but yep. Yeah, I told my attorney that at
some point along the way, there were people who sat down and
were like, hey, we need to develop a process.
And this is what they came up with and they left that room
thinking like okay, that'll work.
Yeah. Well, as Phil has accurately
stated, I think that a gs-15 and the FBI, but probably in the
government mostly mostly the government large a gs-15 in the
federal government is someone who's never said, no to a bad
idea and you don't get higher than that with with the know
your got to be the S guy. You got to be a can do, let's
get this done unless it has to do with the civil liberties of
the employees below you, in which case we cannot do that, we
don't need to do it. We're going to be running a
little short on time right now. How we doing for for overall, we
are Yeah, we got enough time on here, folks, I'm gonna plug a
couple things. I'm gonna try some fun things
because I, I got this board and my brother offered us.
This this sound he said I made this music but it's not good
enough for me. But I think it's wonderful.
So I'm going to put this in the background and we're going to
we're going to do a little wrap up here at the end of our game
and we'll we'll kind of plug some of these things.
First of all, I'm going to have you plug your book a little bit
Steve and let people know and we'll put it in the show notes.
Oh so you can click right through and pre-order Steve's
book but tell us a little bit what it is.
What they expect and where to find it.
Yeah, right now you can find it on Amazon, it's called true
blue. My journey from Beat cop to FBI
whistleblower. And, you know, I I was able to
finish it in about a month of work, but then I thought about
it, I realized I've been researching it for 37 years, so
I think I deserve that and it just sort of gives an accounting
of my, my life leading up to the FBI and some of the good work
that goes on. FBI.
And then the not so good things that I've experienced since last
summer. Wonderful.
And where can people find it? They said, Amazon right.
Now, you know, if you go to Simon & Schuster, you know,
it'll just linked back to the Amazon.
So you can just skip that step and go there baby.
Maybe I'll have a website direct for myself here in the near
future. All right?
Spell out your your handles where people can follow you and
then where we going to see you next.
Well, Twitter at real Steve friend at on Truth at real
underscore Steve friend, drinking, I'm going to, yeah
man, we can get security division questioning where to
find the my material. But the, the big ones that I
have coming up next week on Tuesday evening, I will be
appearing on Sean Hannity on, Fox News.
Have you told him that you're chyron?
Needs to say at real, Steve friend and fellow and author,
does it say that former FBI agent and whistleblower, can you
get a paragraph in there? You think I'm a Hannity show a
vanilla needed. Small font senior fellow senior
fellow senior fellow. Sorry.
Yeah, that's our fellow is fine. That's easy to fit.
Well, I look forward to seeing that well, so we'll look for
Sean Hannity. It's going to be broadcasting on
Monday. Think, is that this Tuesday
night Sean's off on Monday? They bought me one day, but
it'll be alive. So I'm about to do out of Carl,
serif and move and go to the actual Studio here as opposed to
doing it off my laptop. Yeah, super weird looking
straight at the camera. Maybe not seeing anything.
Maybe just hearing Sean in your ear, imagine those lapel pins.
That's what you think. About right there as you sit
there in the chair and fantastic filled.
You want to give us a little readout of where people can
find, what we got going on. You said, you had a nice
donation that you wanted to give credit to and then also are
five-star reviews, which we're still looking for folks.
Five star reviews, Phil's going to read those things out for me.
Yeah I sure do. We've got a nice comment here on
the gifts and go from Doug keg. Doug wrote, may God bless you,
and yours. Thank you for courage and your
patriotism quote, have I not commanded, you be strong and
courageous do Not be afraid, do not be discouraged for the Lord.
Your God will be with you wherever you go Joshua 1:9 also
great. Five star review that came in
recently from someone named s Bloodworth a little wonky but
awesome heard your last bit on Dan show this week.
Appreciate what you are doing. Exposing what we assumed all
along, godspeed, fellow Patriot. And, of course, we'll have a
link to Steve's book. True blue.
Ooh, and the description. That's right.
Whoa. All right, I'm going to read one
more thing here because I'm staying with my folks and my dad
said, if you're going to be staying in my house you might as
well be pushing things that benefit me too.
So I'm going to tell you folks about a book.
My father Charlie seraphin wrote.
It's also going to be in the links it's called one stupid
mistake and it is smart decision making in a crazy world written
by Charlie Sarah from the guy who raised me.
One of my favorite human beings in the world still someone I go
to for advice every day. This is his thoughts on how you
can avoid making bad decisions from a lifetime of interesting
decisions on his own. On both good and bad.
It's a father of six people that are an interesting mix of
leftist and then people like me who are just constitutional
extremists. I think that if you want to read
something interesting, it's very easy read.
I've actually read it on an airplane on just a single flight
and then I literally gave it to the woman that said, X2, because
she was fascinated by it. So, once again, one stupid
mistake. You can find that on the, on the
Amazon and he wrote another book on there, which is sitting on my
side. We'll talk about that another
time. Steve, thanks for joining me,
buddy. I really appreciate the
opportunity. Update and all the Intel and
we'll do it again after your Hannity experience.
Will see how it feels to be in the big time.
Yeah, man, I'll follow your example from Tucker.
That's it, we're just gonna full-court press these people,
folks you've been listening to the Kyle seraphin show, we do
appreciate all of your, your five star reviews.
If you do want to give us a like if you want to throw some
comments in there, I read them. I go check on them.
If there's a question in there, I generally answer them, if it's
full crazy, then I let Phil answer them.
That's just the way that it's got to.
I can't handle full crazy. I got enough crazy going on
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