1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Take a look behind the curtain with the real whistleblower, an 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 American patriot. Prepare to embrace the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,880 uncomfortable truth, because this program has no time for 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 comforting lies. Here is civil liberties 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,240 enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,640 agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,680 welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show. 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,480 Today is Thursday. 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That's kind of how it started, 21 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,480 and we're going to bring one on today. 22 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,400 A little different topic, I think it's going to be fun. 23 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,760 Let's start off with a quick read and thanks to all of our 24 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,200 sponsors. Let's start off with the folks 25 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,080 over at fourpatriots.com. Again, it's 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,240 fourpatriots.com/kyle. I need to take a breath. 27 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Man, things are getting weird. It's going to get weird this 28 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,040 year. 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They actually will let you put a 76 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,240 suspendables logo and they will laser etch it in their facility. 77 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,720 If you want to customize your own Tumblr with our badge with 78 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,400 our other logos, you let us know. 79 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,200 We'll put it up there. Garrett O'boyle's been posting 80 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,240 them over on True Social so you guys can get that again. 81 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,000 Patriot coolers.com, our friends and the promo code. 82 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Kyle KYLEI think we're just going to go right over here and 83 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,440 we're going to bring on another Suspendable. 84 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,600 Yeah, he's a good man. He is. 85 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,640 This is Doctor A Tanheim. It's like you said, Akon, but 86 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,240 not it's a tan. I just said eight. 87 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,480 I just screwed it up, didn't I? Yeah, yeah. 88 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,040 It's like the rapper Akon. Who is the voice of a 89 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,440 generation? You just told me a second ago. 90 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,880 But it's not that, at least every farm, it's booked for the 91 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,760 last 10. It's so good. 92 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,360 He's a general surgeon, folks. He is a a whistleblower from 93 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,680 Texas Christian, if you heard, I'm sorry, Texas Children's 94 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Hospital, which is what you saw on our on our thumbnail. 95 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,360 If you heard about how the state of Texas has been pushing 96 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,040 against trans surgeries, Dr. Heim is one of the reasons why. 97 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,920 Buddy, why don't you tell people where you're from? 98 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,760 I want to give. I want to get a full perspective 99 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,600 so people get a a sense of where you grew up and who you are. 100 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,880 We're going to talk about values and why you decided to do what 101 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,440 you did, Yeah. Well, you know, I appreciate you 102 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,400 having me on the show. My name is Eitan Heim. 103 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,600 I grew up in Florida. You know, I have a brother and a 104 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,520 sister. I have two parents. 105 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,400 I'm very close with my family and my dad's a doctor and he's a 106 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,280 pulmonologist. And I remember being young and, 107 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:44,200 you know, going out to like, grocery store, going out to 108 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,360 dinner and seeing how his patients would come up to him 109 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,720 every once in a while. And, you know, they would have 110 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,480 this relationship with them that was something that was so 111 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,960 unique, that is that can only be had between a doctor and a 112 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,840 patient. And you saw how much they 113 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,440 appreciate the fact that he was their doctor. 114 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,480 And it really meant a lot to these people. 115 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,360 And I wanted the same thing for myself. 116 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,800 So I went to undergraduate College in USF in Tampa and then 117 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,960 medical school for Atlantic in Boca Raton. 118 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,160 And then I got accepted to my surgical residency in Baylor 119 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,720 College of Medicine in Houston, TX. 120 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,520 But in every way, I'm I'm just your average Florida guy. 121 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,480 You know, my wife and I plan on living in a small town in Texas. 122 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,680 We never intended for any of this to happen, but you know, 123 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,360 when we saw all of it happen, we knew that that there was no 124 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,720 option but to do something about it. 125 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,000 You started off with a reference about bar mitzvahs. 126 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,640 Bar mitzvahs, Will you talk about faith in your life as you 127 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,000 grew up and whether that was big in your house or whether it's 128 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,640 become big as you've gotten into this? 129 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting because my parents 130 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,880 are from Israel and growing up, I had an Orthodox bar mitzvah at 131 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,040 Habad Temple, Really good, good temple. 132 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,400 So, you know, it's like the very traditional Jewish bar mitzvah. 133 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,080 But going into my teens, of course, there's that natural, 134 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,800 rebellious phase when you're growing up. 135 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,600 So I became this radical leftist and I used to write in the 136 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,560 school newspaper about how, you know, conformity and and 137 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:34,680 capitalism and all these things that you would see in every big 138 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,120 newspaper now. And I would like that for years, 139 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,760 about halfway through college, this is, you know, 2008, 2009, 140 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,760 2010. But then things started to 141 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,240 change, especially when it came to Israel, because, you know, my 142 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,040 family is from there. I still have family living 143 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,640 there. And then you have these 144 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,800 conflicts that happen every couple of years. 145 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,720 And I saw how the media would distort the reality of the 146 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,240 situation. And in it was a reality that I 147 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,600 knew was completely false, that they were pushing out to their 148 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,360 readers or their viewers. So it started with this small 149 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,840 crumb that you latch onto and before you know it, you start 150 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,200 pulling the string and you think, well, if this is false, 151 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,960 then how much of everything else that I believe is false. 152 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,400 So I just kept on pulling at that string and realized that 153 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,560 everything I had believed in was just completely untrue. 154 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,000 So starting around 2010, I became this avid reader. 155 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,320 I never really read books before growing up because, you know, I 156 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,520 was too busy getting into trouble with my friends and my 157 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,400 brother. But yeah, around 2010 I started 158 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,920 just reading hundreds and hundreds of books about history, 159 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,200 about communism and capitalism, the American Revolution. 160 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,520 And I mean every topic you can imagine a lot about World War 2 161 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:11,960 and it really kind of formed the foundation of this, you know, 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,640 political bedrock, you know, the the way I see the world now. 163 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,800 And but one thing that really stands out during that time is, 164 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,280 you know, I would, I would read all these stories and think that 165 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,920 none of this is ever going to happen during my lifetime. 166 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,240 Like, you know, things are so calm, they're so Placid that 167 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,960 these world changing events are a thing in the past. 168 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:41,320 But all that changed in 2020 and it it's it's like that thing 169 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,880 from I think Hemingway where, you know, it happened gradually 170 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,040 and then all of a sudden because I knew that things were 171 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,800 changing, but you know, they happened all of a sudden in 172 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,600 2020. How long have you been married? 173 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:02,280 August of 2022 we got married. And what was the connection? 174 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,400 What is sort of the faith tradition of your wife? 175 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,640 You guys share something in that? 176 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,360 Was it? Was she coming out of the same 177 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,160 faith tradition? Of the same sort of awareness. 178 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Well, she actually grew up Catholic. 179 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,200 Her father is Jewish, but her mother is Catholic. 180 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,480 And if if because my dad's Jewish and my mom's Christian, 181 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,880 but she converted to Judaism. My mom's actually German, which 182 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,280 is an interesting story, but so she had never really grown up 183 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,920 with religion. But then we met. 184 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,920 We fell in love. I knew I was going to marry her 185 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,520 after the first they, you know, that was a fact and you know. 186 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:40,840 After we do you have any say in that? 187 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,680 She had no say. You were just going to marry 188 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,480 her? Yeah, no, she had no say. 189 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,360 Yeah, but when we started getting serious, we knew that 190 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,920 faith was going to be a really important part of our lives. 191 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,680 But that only became more important over the past. 192 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,560 I mean, really, since this whole situation started happening. 193 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:07,920 Because it rekindled that that belief in a higher power in me. 194 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,960 Because so many things have happened that go beyond just 195 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:19,520 chance or or you know like opportunity, where the way 196 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,920 things have played out, it's it's more than that, where it's 197 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,520 actual what I believe is divine province. 198 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,120 It's funny how when things are really difficult, that's when we 199 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,680 start seeing the hand of God in the world. 200 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,160 I don't think people see it otherwise. 201 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Maybe they're not looking for it. 202 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,480 I think it's probably always there, but it's harder to 203 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,800 recognize, is it not? I I think, and I think it's when 204 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:47,520 you, when you start acting by the covenant that God has 205 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,560 provided us, when you start acting in a virtuous, courageous 206 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:59,400 way, that you're put in situations where you have to do 207 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:03,960 things that are very, very uncomfortable and very scary. 208 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 So you think that you're going to get destroyed. 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,640 But then when you just act in the simplest way possible, you 210 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,280 just speak the truth. You live by the covenant. 211 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,800 Then this story starts unfolding and and you realize that it's 212 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,200 it's Providence that's leading you down the right path. 213 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,680 And it's, I don't know, it's, it's something that I'm still 214 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:30,520 kind of working out in my mind because it's it's something I've 215 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,400 recognized. I've acknowledged. 216 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,480 It's true because I'm here sitting and talking to you, 217 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,680 right. But the the details of it, the 218 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:44,720 exact way to describe that, I think it's difficult because so 219 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,000 much of it's new. I always tell people that it's 220 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,160 really difficult to see God's plan as you are living it. 221 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,640 You can only see it with a lot of perspective in the rear view 222 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:54,800 mirror. And then you start going like, 223 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,560 oh, OK, that's that's why that terrible thing happened to me. 224 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,280 Or that's why I was a bonehead when I was. 225 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,200 And that's why these sort of, you know, personality traits 226 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,800 were developed when they were I I I can't see it when it's 227 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,520 happening. I don't know why it goes on 228 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,440 until later on in my life. And then you look back and you 229 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,840 go, all this starts making sense. 230 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 You know, that's probably, there's probably no better way 231 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,600 to describe it than that because looking back over the past 232 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,000 couple of months, past year, two years, you realize that. 233 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Yeah, like, you understand why everything was there for a 234 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,560 reason, why I met my wife, why I was at this program, why certain 235 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,280 things happen at certain moments. 236 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Yeah, I would say that's probably the best way to 237 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,720 describe it. You don't know what the plan is, 238 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,120 but in retrospect you see how the hand of God has played a 239 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,200 role. I had these people tell me folks 240 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,320 from Catholic Vote, which is one of the sponsors you just heard 241 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,000 us read, but they they said that God draws straight with crooked 242 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,200 lines. That's that's a divine 243 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,800 capability that none of us are able to do, where things are the 244 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,240 way they are supposed to, even though they don't make any 245 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,320 sense. Let's talk about Med school, if 246 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,200 you if we can. Most people have not been to Med 247 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,040 school. Talk to me about what the 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,760 education looks like, what the, what sort of thinking is being 249 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,880 done, if you would, and the types of your colleagues that 250 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,360 were there, where you fit in, in the crowd, what sort of values 251 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,120 they brought to it? Are people interested in money? 252 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,040 Do they want to help people? Is it all the above? 253 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,560 Just fire away on Med school if you would. 254 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,320 Both Med school and residency were really important times, I 255 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,680 think, in the history of modern American medicine, because they 256 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,320 occurred during these transitional times. 257 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,760 So I went to medical school from 2014 to 2018, and in medical 258 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,120 school the first two years you focus on the basic science, so 259 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,760 biochemistry, anatomy, Physiology. 260 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,960 You have to learn the way the body works in order to treat the 261 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,800 body. And your third and 4th year of 262 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 medical school are when you start doing clinical rotation. 263 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,240 So you'll spend six weeks in general surgery. 264 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,920 You'll spend six weeks in internal medicine. 265 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,360 So during that time, you take the lessons you learned during 266 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,400 your first two years about the human body anatomy and 267 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Physiology, and then you have the opportunity to apply it in 268 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,360 the real world on patients. So that's the important thing 269 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,880 about Med school, where you have the first portion is, you know, 270 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,760 basic sciences, it's in the textbook and then the 271 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,040 second-half is in the real world. 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:25,000 But the time that I was in Med school was important because you 273 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,840 know, there had there, there were changes taking place in 274 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,120 America where you have this woke ideology that's being 275 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:39,040 incorporated into our major institutions in academia, in 276 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,160 medicine, in the government. And we started seeing the 277 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,640 manifestations of that in the real world. 278 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,880 So for me, it was in Med school. So I went to, you know, a newer 279 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,240 lecture known medical school or Atlantic. 280 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,680 You know, it had opened up a couple of years before. 281 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,880 So it wasn't that prestigious. So the great thing is, is that 282 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,720 the class that I was with, the class I graduated with, everyone 283 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760 was down to earth. Everyone was brilliant. 284 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,880 But they, you know, were like these typical people, right? 285 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,160 They were just average people who who were in medical school. 286 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,400 So you didn't have like this, this gunner personality that you 287 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,160 see in all these fancy medical schools that like the Ivy. 288 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,480 So you had a good number of strong conservative students. 289 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 So we would have these portions of our curriculum which were 290 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,520 like the social science about medical ethics, where the 291 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:38,280 professors would try to push these crazy ideas about gender 292 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,200 ideology and abortion, and we would push back with maximum 293 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,120 aggression. And at that time, we could, you 294 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,280 know, we were able to have meaningful conversations in 295 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,640 these lectures and our opinions were partially respected. 296 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,200 Kind of like partner. Yeah. 297 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,560 And. And they couldn't take us out of 298 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,280 medical school if we had a different opinion, which is 299 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,680 different than it is now. So you know. 300 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,120 When did you, when did you start medical school? 301 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,400 Just I want to put people on a timeline again. 2014 and then I 302 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,560 graduated 2018. OK, so worth people knowing 303 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,840 that's going back ten years ago and even that 10 years. 304 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,840 We think there's probably been a dramatic change in the way that 305 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,240 it's taught. I mean to a dramatic change 306 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,360 would be an understatement. There's no comparison to to the 307 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,400 way medical schools are now, especially after 2020. 308 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,680 So when you're in medical school, you start choosing which 309 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,200 specialty you're going to go into. 310 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,880 So around your third, fourth year, you go into a process 311 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,560 called the match where you it kind of works like authority 312 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,040 recruitment. The algorithm to match medical 313 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,800 students into residency programs is the same that matches 314 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,720 authority girls into authority, incidentally enough. 315 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,200 But so for me, I chose to go into general surgery. 316 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,200 So I interview at a lot of different programs, you know, 317 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,680 and I was like second or third in my medical school class. 318 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,720 I scored like the 98th percentile for my board exam. 319 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,319 So, you know, I had the opportunity to go to a bunch of 320 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,319 great programs. I interviewed at Northwestern, 321 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,480 Cornell, you know, UT Southwestern, Baylor, bunch of 322 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,240 great programs. And I ended up at Baylor College 323 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,080 of Medicine, which was great because it's one of the most 324 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,360 prestigious surgery programs in the country because you have a 325 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:38,400 huge amount of history that was created at that program in 326 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Houston back. I know at least a couple of guys 327 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,920 that were my age that ended up in their surgical program. 328 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,600 They all ended up in plastics for whatever reason. 329 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,040 I don't know why that was the thing they did. 330 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,320 It probably suited their personality types too. 331 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,320 They were a little bit more. They were probably just good for 332 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,400 some guys, right? Yeah, Usually plastic surgeons 333 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,880 they have, they have good haircuts. 334 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,200 They're pretty boys, you know. Kind of vain. 335 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Yeah, yeah, maybe a little bit, but but plastic surgeons are 336 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,720 good, you know, they do good work. 337 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,760 Sure. The the fun story, the the kind 338 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,720 of the personal little anecdote My best buddy from high school 339 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,800 who always wanted to be a neurosurgeon. 340 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,560 That was his his goal in life. It's all he ever wanted to be. 341 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,320 From the time he was eight years old, he went. 342 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,360 And when he was a engineering student in Boston, he was 343 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,480 interning with them. He was at, where was he at? 344 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,720 I think he was at UT Southwestern. 345 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,960 And so he was doing work there and he was in their neurology 346 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,480 lab. And he was, he told me at one 347 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,840 point in college. He said he called me up and he 348 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,880 goes, hey man, I think we were juniors in high in college. 349 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,800 And he goes, I'm the head guy. I go, what's that? 350 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,760 And he was like, oh, I got this like, fridge full of heads. 351 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,400 And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, they're human 352 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,480 heads. They're in buckets. 353 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 And I give them out to people that are doing experiments. 354 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,960 And I went, oh, that's that's a weird job. 355 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,920 So I said, can we get one? And he goes, no, no, you can't 356 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,720 have a head. And I said, oh, OK well, then 357 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,080 I'm not that interested. It's not that cool. 358 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:55,400 He ended up marrying one of the PAS who was in the plastics 359 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,520 program from another guy that I knew. 360 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,240 They they were dating the same gal or they they they he stole 361 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,800 the girl away and ended up marrying her and he is now a 362 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,400 family practitioner. He said he would have been the 363 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,760 Rudy of surgery. He was no good at it, but he 364 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,640 knew where his talents lie and he ended up marrying a a 365 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,120 plastics PA, which is kind of funny so. 366 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Yeah. And and it's good to know that 367 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,800 before you know, like if you're, you have to know what kind of 368 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,000 personality you have because if you choose the wrong speciality, 369 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:20,240 it's a disaster. Some people do. 370 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,880 But you know, yeah, it makes me think like, if they did give you 371 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,320 the the head, like it's probably not a good look to have a human 372 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,080 head in your refrigerator. No. 373 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,200 And I was a mower on, you know, I mean, I'm like 21 years old 374 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,960 with bad ideas. So, like, you talked about 375 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,760 getting into trouble, and sometimes you have these 376 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,280 terrible ideas. It's good that you have friends 377 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,480 that know better, are looking out for you and tell you they're 378 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,480 not going to give you a human head. 379 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,960 I have no idea why I asked him for that. 380 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,560 To be fair like that, I didn't have a plan. 381 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,520 OK, so you're you're in Med school. 382 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,280 You're matched up with us. You get to go to a prestigious 383 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,280 school. You just mentioned that you were 384 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,040 or at the top of the of of your percentile, which I can, I can 385 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,960 already assess that your intelligence level is very, very 386 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,440 high which people can hear. They're hearing that right now. 387 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,120 But that doesn't mean that you necessarily have a very high 388 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,000 moral standing and you actually came in there with a sort of a 389 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,360 moral code that got challenged as as you decided to go into 390 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,600 your residency program, the surgical residency. 391 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,520 Yeah, yeah. And. 392 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,080 And I I I say I had a moral code. 393 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:18,400 But you know, the first opportunity when that was 394 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,320 challenged, you know, I had failed because. 395 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,400 So I started my surgical training in 2018. 396 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,840 And for those who don't know, your surgical training is this 397 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,760 very intense program. It's just like the shows, but 398 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 it's crazier. In real life, it's five years 399 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,240 long. You spend grueling hours, 80, a 400 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,000 hundred hours every single week. So, you know, my first day in 401 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,880 surgical residency, I was covering night. 402 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,200 And this was on a service called cellular service because the 403 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,160 surgeon, whose name is Joseph Caselli, and he does these 404 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,200 massive surgeries where they replace the entire aorta. 405 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,120 And these people are the thickest patients in the Medical 406 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,760 Center in Houston. And if their blood pressure 407 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,240 drops, then they become paralyzed because they interrupt 408 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,240 so many of the blood vessels from the aorta that they can 409 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,640 reduce the blood pressure to the spine. 410 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,040 The blood pressure drops too low, right. 411 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,720 They go paralyzed. And so you have these critically 412 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,400 I'll patients and I'm like a day one intern. 413 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,760 I'm taking care of all these patients on my own and one of my 414 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,440 attending is the meanest grouches most you know, tan 415 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,920 tanker is attending you could ever imagine. 416 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,160 Give people a well. You give people a sense of the 417 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,400 the hierarchy and and the lower archy. 418 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,360 Let's say also of who's in a teaching hospital. 419 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,640 I've worked in them, but not everybody has. 420 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,680 Yeah, yeah. So as a resident, you're at the 421 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,600 very bottom of the bear. Whenever someone is looking for 422 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,680 someone to kick or be found, the resident is the person they go 423 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,800 to. And you know, that's most of the 424 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,960 time justified because often times we make the worst 425 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,040 decisions and make mistake. Of course, all those are 426 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,040 identified by people who are higher up in the food chain and 427 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,640 they correct those decisions. So you know, if if people go to 428 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,720 a teaching hospital, I don't want them to be too concerned 429 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,640 about the quality of the care they're getting. 430 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,280 But yeah, so you have your surgical intern, then your 431 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,840 higher level residence, you know, PGY 345. 432 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,080 PGY stands for postgraduate year. 433 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,680 That's what we call resonance. So like a PGY one is an intern, 434 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:39,480 AP GY5 is a chief resonance and then you have the attending. 435 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,320 But even within the attendings, you have this hierarchy where 436 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,960 you have the newer attending which still will get beat down 437 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,880 and get embarrassed in front of everyone. 438 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,880 And I saw that my first, second day of resonance where you would 439 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,800 have these attending surgeons being being male made to be like 440 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,720 to look like children in front of the whole team, all of the 441 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,760 patients in the middle of the search for ward. 442 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,880 And then at the very top is like the top dog and the entire 443 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,800 atmosphere is determined by the top dog. 444 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:19,640 So if that person is, you know, a malignant type of personality, 445 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,160 then every minute of every single day you're going to be 446 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,120 walking on egg shells and in in some services. 447 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,720 That's kind of how it was. Can we can we just discuss the 448 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,200 irony of the fact that probably the most alpha masculine career 449 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,080 that we know of that that's not physical, so it's not military, 450 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,360 it's not law enforcement. But when it comes to just pure 451 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,280 meanness and capabilities driven and meritocracy is what's goes 452 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,520 on in most of these residency programs and and especially in 453 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,800 teaching hospitals. They've also adopted all this 454 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,520 weird woke ideology, which is like the softest, most fake 455 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,560 compassionate garbage. How? 456 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,120 How do these two sort of meritocracy and aggressive Type 457 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,480 A personalities vibe with that bizarre ideology? 458 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,140 Yeah. And you know just to to under 459 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:08,920 score that point too. I mean I would say that just in 460 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,880 the way that other physical profession like you know they're 461 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,720 they're physical where where they have to interact with the 462 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,320 real world. I mean with surgery that's 463 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,160 exactly what it is because you're physically operating on 464 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,160 these people and these people are big. 465 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000 They're bleeding. You know, you have, you have to 466 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,600 combine, you know, fierce strength with with very delicate 467 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,360 movement around major structures that if you screw something up, 468 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,840 they're going to start housing blood and that person's going to 469 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,640 die And the type of personality that goes into it. 470 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,360 People have this false idea that surgeons are these narcissistic 471 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,400 kind of God like people, but couldn't say in reality it's 472 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,640 jacked off. Sorry. 473 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,720 About that we had a we had a a little, a little sneak in there 474 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,560 that wanted to interrupt us. Yeah, no worries, no worries. 475 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:13,080 But every person I've met is humble, is measured, is prudent. 476 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,280 The reason is because we when we when you deal with surgical 477 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,360 pathology on a daily basis, you are constantly humbled to the 478 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,760 nature of the diseases you're taking care of. 479 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:32,760 So even if a surgeon you know is has a big personality, when it 480 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680 comes down to the most important moment, they're always measured. 481 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Because no matter who you are, if you're the most expert 482 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,200 surgeon in the world, you know, if you're leading your field, 483 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,800 you always get humbled by things you never could have expected. 484 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,920 So yeah it's and then you take these people, right these 485 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,640 surgeons, you they live and die like we live and die by this 486 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,760 code where you have to take people to the operating room for 487 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,640 a reason. You have to live by these 488 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,800 medical ethics because if you don't, you're really going to 489 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,560 hurt people. And then in 2020, you saw this 490 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:15,600 massive shift take place where even the, the strongest 491 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,920 surgeons, the people who control the hospital, who have so much 492 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:26,560 power, has competed to, you know, these really what amounts 493 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,840 to like college students, right? The the people in that, the 494 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,880 department that no one respected, the craziest ideas, 495 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,240 but all of them, no matter all the disease, they would take on 496 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,040 on a daily basis, all the courage to take. 497 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,400 When it came to that, they had all floundered. 498 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,840 And I saw that the whole way through, because in 2018-2019 I 499 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,240 saw I like I worked with these Titans of surgery. 500 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,000 But then I saw how they all caved to pressure at the the 501 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200 flip of a dime. It's it's I'd never really 502 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,240 considered the the the concept in the military we talk about 503 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,880 guys that are like high level operators. 504 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280 You've probably heard this term before which is funny because 505 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,120 you were you're doing actual operations and and a very 506 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,920 different type of that, you know physical operations of of being 507 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,840 military versus being in a hospital and operating on a 508 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200 person. But that same mentality of 509 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,560 constantly being humble, having the volume turn down your life 510 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,160 because you make life and death decisions you like you said 511 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520 strength and gross motor skills with fine-tuned things, guys 512 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,000 that are kicking down doors but then they are making this tiny 513 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,480 little trigger press that has to do something. 514 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,600 There's a lot of commonalities that makes a perfect amount of 515 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,880 sense to me. And I also think that that it's 516 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,560 it's kind of interesting to think about how all those people 517 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,640 that were all over the military, we've got guys that are special 518 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,600 forces generals that also cave to this woke ideologies like 519 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,960 professional killers that have gone overseas and done bad 520 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,200 things to bad people. And then you've got these 521 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,400 surgeons that are in the hospitals that are making life 522 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,560 and death decisions and holding people's literally holding their 523 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,480 organs in their hearts and tiny little cuts are going to make 524 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,200 the difference between whether they survive or not. 525 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,360 And those people couldn't just say, hey, boys have a penis, 526 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,720 girls have a vagina. Yeah, like like kindergarten 527 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,920 comp level stuff. The the people who had the most 528 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,720 power and the ability to make a difference had decided to stay 529 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,080 silent. And it goes to show the strength 530 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,360 of the ideology and academic Medical Center. 531 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,680 Because no matter who you are, you could be the top surgeon in 532 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,160 your field. But if you transgress the the, 533 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,320 the, this neoliberal leftist ideology, they will take you out 534 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,880 no matter who you are. And with surgeons, we put so 535 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,320 much time and effort into our careers that for so many people 536 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,280 there's this fear that we give it all up and and for making a 537 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080 stand. And you know, so many of us 538 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,440 think that, well, we have this mortgage, we have this career we 539 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,960 have to take care of, we have to take care of our families. 540 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,160 So we have to maintain our career, but I think it's a false 541 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400 calculation because they don't realize that if they don't 542 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,640 confront these issues, if they don't fight against it, what 543 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,560 they're really doing is just passing that fight on, fight 544 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,720 along to their children. So they think they're taking 545 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,360 care of their kids, but they're really not because the world 546 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,960 they're delivering their children into is a much more 547 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,480 dangerous world than the one they grew up in. 548 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,680 So they think that by things silent, they're protecting their 549 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,920 children themselves. But, but what they're really 550 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,120 doing is, is just forgoing the fight that needs to be had. 551 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240 They're just taking care of themselves, no? 552 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,320 I've been having these thoughts throughout the week, and this is 553 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,480 a perfect segue into it for this, for this day. 554 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,440 The question is this men, specifically, men who are 555 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840 supposed to lead, men who are supposed to do the right thing 556 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,200 by their children, by their wives, by their, by their 557 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,120 society. Like what are they saving it 558 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,480 for? And you just said it very 559 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,640 articulately. They're delivering their kids 560 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,520 into a world that's worse because they think that they're 561 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,680 defending something. It's the same thoughts I had 562 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,920 when I was looking at the FBI. It was like, am I going to 563 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,760 retire with a pension? And I said, well, I kept a roof 564 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,880 over our house, over our heads. We were able to eat you. 565 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440 You live in tyranny. Now the the communists took over 566 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,120 our country. And I didn't do anything. 567 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,320 But at least you, you know, got to live comfortably while you 568 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,920 were a teenager. I I this is the interesting 569 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,480 thing for me, especially in your story. 570 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,000 And I'd love you to articulate how you came to this calculus 571 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,960 because you're looking at people at the top of the industry, the 572 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560 people that have all the power, as you said, in your field and 573 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,200 your influence, and they're terrified to upset the status 574 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,080 quo. As the status quo drifts further 575 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,320 and further to the crazy left, they're not willing to step up 576 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,360 and go, hey guys, what are you doing? 577 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,120 Like, we're surgeons. We know about biology, we know 578 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160 about physical structure, and we're not going to go do this. 579 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,600 We're not going to go hack body parts. 580 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,360 It took you. Who were you? 581 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,200 You're in your surgical residency, right? 582 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,080 You're at the terminal end of your surgical surgical 583 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,480 residency, doing a rotation at Texas Children's, and you went 584 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,040 well. And I I'm guessing you have 585 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480 student loan debt. Do you have debt? 586 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Yeah, well luckily that's all handled at this point. 587 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,600 But you had debt when you were going in there. 588 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,680 Maybe luckily not. Oh OK so this is. 589 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,880 So this is yet another reason why you and I have some 590 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,600 similarities because you had some financial capabilities to 591 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600 go into this and you made a bold decision that just said, hey I 592 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880 may have just put 10 years of my life on the line for nothing, 593 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640 but this is wrong. Can you let's let's talk about 594 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,400 first of all what you saw if you'll give folks that and then 595 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,760 how you started about whistleblowing is such a like 596 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,040 it's such a personal every single situation is its own. 597 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,400 So let's let's dig into it. Yeah. 598 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,040 So for me, it really starts a little bit earlier in 2020 with 599 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:46,040 COVID because you know, maybe for like a week, I I kind of had 600 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240 bought into it. But then I quickly realized that 601 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,600 what they were perpetuating were were lies in propaganda, that 602 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,840 masking, social distancing, contact tracing, were not 603 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,680 measured that you use to control a pandemic like COVID. 604 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,960 These are not things that make rational sense. 605 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,560 They cannot be. They have no therapeutic 606 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,920 rationale behind it. And you know, it's one thing to 607 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,920 describe it in theoretical terms, but in the hospital every 608 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320 day you see what happens on the ground. 609 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,480 So for me, I was taking care of hundreds and hundreds of people. 610 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,440 So I thought countless people who suffered and died alone in 611 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,840 the hospital without their loved ones, without ever having the 612 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,120 chance to say goodbye. And that was one of the most 613 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,320 painful things to ever see. And and the whole time you're 614 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,120 going through it, you think that someone's going to stand up and 615 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,680 and say something about it. Someone has to realize this is 616 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640 all crazy. But as I progressed more and 617 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,720 more, it was just saying crazier and crazier and no one was 618 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,120 saying anything. Was anyone talking like in break 619 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,080 rooms or on the side? Like, hey, this is terrible. 620 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,200 Like, we just had an old lady die and we told her family they 621 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,280 couldn't come in. The way it would work is we 622 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880 would have to sub communicate. I had to sub communicate with 623 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,000 other residents, so I would have to say something kind of benign, 624 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,120 you know, to another resident who I thought might think in a 625 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440 similar way. So you're sounding you're like 626 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,120 sounding them out to to kind of see if they they agree with it? 627 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,560 Kind of like in East Germany, right, where you say one thing 628 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680 to see if they're like on the same wavelength. 629 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,280 And then maybe a couple weeks ago by then you say something 630 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,800 else. And then you say something else. 631 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,880 And before you know it, you're organizing, you know, just you 632 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,400 and this other person or two other people in like dark 633 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,480 corners to talk about how crazy things are. 634 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,440 But the worst was what I saw happening to children because 635 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,400 when you had the, the emergence of the lockdowns, we saw the 636 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,760 number of cases of child view, really horrific cases of child 637 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,800 view just skyrocket. So, you know, I became very 638 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,480 familiar with the sound a mother makes when you tell her that her 639 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,520 kid is dead. Because these kids, usually 640 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,760 there's the signs of abuse are picked up in society, at school, 641 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,040 right in, in public. But when when there's no 642 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,760 opportunity for that, the abuse just continued. 643 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,719 So, So I was seeing this, this, you know, epidemic of abuse 644 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,480 unfolding, and it was horrifying and and no one was doing 645 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,560 anything about it. And then when I thought that it 646 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,159 couldn't get worse, right? The ideology had just 647 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,560 proliferated in the entire medical establishment. 648 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,880 It had silenced every voice that I thought had a responsibility 649 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000 to do something about it. And when I thought it couldn't 650 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,239 get worse, you see this transgender ideology start 651 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,440 blossoming. Can you can you flesh out? 652 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,240 I don't want to derail you, but I want to know what you mean 653 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,640 specifically. What kind of abuse are we 654 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,720 talking about? Are they physical, sexual, 655 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:05,720 psychological. Whatever. 656 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,280 Everything, everything. There was one girl. 657 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Because kids aren't in school, They're kept at home. 658 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,120 And when kids are kept at home in these, you know, situations 659 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,000 where there's a lot of turmoil within the family, a lot of 660 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,520 times there was one kid who would be chosen as like the the 661 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,240 rag doll. That was a common pattern that 662 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,200 we would see. There was one kid that would get 663 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,880 beaten up on. There was this one girl who came 664 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,600 in and she looked like she, she was maybe 7 years old, but she 665 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360 was really 12. And the reason is because she 666 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,160 was so malnourished. And, you know, her blood counts 667 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,560 were so low that we thought she had leukemia. 668 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,680 But it, again, it was because she was malnourished. 669 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680 And the reason she came in is because she was missing her 670 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640 thumb. Her thumb was hanging off, just 671 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,080 buy a little piece of skin and started getting started to get 672 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,840 infected. And the reason is because her 673 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,920 parents were putting her fingers into a fan and chopping off all 674 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,120 of her fingers and most of them had already been amputated. 675 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,400 But her thumb was partially amputated and it was just 676 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,120 hanging on by a piece of skin. And you know, this is the type 677 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,320 of things we would see during the lockdown. 678 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400 And this was, these were all measures for a virus that had 679 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,680 essentially 0 risk to this population. 680 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520 So and and then and then you go into the room a couple days 681 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,000 later and the parents are in the room, right. 682 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200 And CPS doesn't do anything, right. 683 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,240 So you see this breakdown of our institution to every level. 684 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,480 But then also I see it myself because you know, I pushed back 685 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,800 in every way possible, you know, but we had no opportunities, you 686 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,640 know, we had no power as resident. 687 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,400 You know there were a couple times where you know my 688 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,080 contract, it was threatened that it would be terminated because 689 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,240 you would have trauma patients come in getting shot and the 690 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,320 first thing they would do is put a mask on and which is crazy 691 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,920 because you know, you know someone gets shot, you won't put 692 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,480 a mask on, right, because they have to breathe. 693 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:12,960 So it I started to realize very slowly that no one else is going 694 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,280 to do this, that it's my responsibility because there's 695 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,160 no one else coming. No one else is going to stand up 696 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,880 for these people. No one else is going to to make 697 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,320 a statement and and say what's true because everyone's too 698 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440 scared. So once I made the realization 699 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,120 that no one else is going to do it, I I do it myself. 700 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,400 So that's when types of children came along can. 701 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,080 We talk about the conversations you had at home. 702 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,640 I know that moment when you're going, you know who's going to 703 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,440 fix this? And and I think, and This is why 704 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,600 I keep I, I reference Isaiah 68 all the time about, you know, 705 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,440 God says who shall I send. And and Isaiah says here I am, 706 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,560 which is just a it's an availability statement. 707 00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,840 It says I'm available for tasking. 708 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080 What am I being asked to do? And when you have that 709 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,160 realization that like here I am, I'm being asked, it's not a good 710 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,880 feeling. It's not it's actually 711 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,480 horrifying. And you got to talk to, you got 712 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,360 to talk to your spouse about it, or you got to talk to to your 713 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,000 loved ones and kind of work that out. 714 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,480 It was and it was terrifying. So and just to give a little 715 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,800 background for that answer, so during our residency, you know, 716 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,840 the five years that we're training, the main institution 717 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,080 we train at is Baylor College Medicine. 718 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,320 But the hospitals that we rotate at, there's a number of them. 719 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,560 So we would rotate at Ben Taub General Hospital, which was the 720 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,840 County Hospital, which is where we would see all the trauma. 721 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,240 We would rotate at the VA and then at Saint Luke's where we 722 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,680 did the cancer surgeries and a lot of general surgery. 723 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,400 But one of the hospitals we spent the most time at was Texas 724 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,720 Children's Hospital, which is the biggest Children's Hospital 725 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,440 in the world, one of the most prestigious. 726 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:08,720 And it was around mid 2022 that I had been notified by one of my 727 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:13,280 Co residents that they had just inserted A puree blocking device 728 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,800 into, you know, a pre adolescent child. 729 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,160 You know, this person told me about how this child had all 730 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,880 these psychiatric issues that were being unaddressed. 731 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,240 And over the next couple of weeks more and more people 732 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,920 started telling me about how they were doing these 733 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,520 procedures. Why are they telling why? 734 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,480 Are they telling you? Because it was, it was people 735 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:42,240 who other other people who knew it was crazy but and they wanted 736 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:45,000 someone to confide in. But even with that, they still 737 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,120 did a procedure which you know they were kind of put into that 738 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,320 situation. But it was when I and I didn't 739 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,040 know Texas children had this transgender program. 740 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,840 I had no idea. Because you imagine this thing 741 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,160 happening in California or Seattle, but definitely not in 742 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,240 Texas. So. 743 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,880 It was. I started looking into it and I 744 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,640 looked online. Of course, the first thing 745 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,080 you're going to do is try to Google it, see if you can find 746 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,680 any information about the program. 747 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,560 And there was no indication that the program existed online. 748 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,880 And I'm like, that's weird because every program at Texas 749 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,640 children, you know, they treat the rarest diseases, All of them 750 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,600 have a web page. And it makes sense because you 751 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,200 have to schedule appointments. You have to find out who the 752 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,040 doctors are, and there was no indication that the transgender 753 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,200 program existed. I started doing a little bit 754 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,680 more digging and I found a statement from March of 2022 755 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,480 where the hospital had unequivocally said that they 756 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,080 were shutting down the transgender program because of 757 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,600 the legal risk. And I want to highlight one 758 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,000 important point. They had said they were shutting 759 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000 down the program because of the legal risk. 760 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:12,000 So they acknowledged that there was a risk of criminal conduct, 761 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,520 right. And the reason they released 762 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,360 that statement was because a few weeks before that, the Texas 763 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,320 Attorney General, Ken Paxton had issued a opinion saying that 764 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,680 these interventions could be investigated as child abuse. 765 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,560 So the hospital, it kind of makes sense that we released 766 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,440 this statement saying, you know what, we're shutting down the 767 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,520 program. We're not doing it anymore 768 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,320 because they want to cover cover themselves and they inherently 769 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,240 know that the people of Texas wouldn't support this kind of 770 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,560 thing. Parents wouldn't bring their 771 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,320 children to a hospital if they knew that this kind of thing was 772 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,000 happening. And. 773 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,320 And would it be fair to say to in your experience being around 774 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,600 doctors and and people working in the medical industry and 775 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,360 certainly was my case working as a paramedic, like fear of legal 776 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200 action is massive. Like nobody wants to deal with 777 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520 the litigious society. And I know doctors are 778 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,480 constantly worrying about whether or not they can afford 779 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,280 to pay their their insurance premiums about malpractice. 780 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,720 So if you're on the wrong side of the law, like, forget. 781 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,320 Like that's way worse than being on the wrong side of the 782 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,880 insurance company. Yeah, exactly. 783 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,520 And that's the thing, because for a doctor to have any legal 784 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,640 issues, especially criminal legal issues, is a major 785 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,520 problem. And for a hospital to be in that 786 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:34,440 situation is, is is like an institutional defining event 787 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,840 that can destroy an institution, right. 788 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,080 And especially because tech children is an amazing hospital. 789 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,400 I mean, one of the best hospitals I've ever worked at. 790 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,800 They do great work, but had been taken over by this ideology in 791 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,200 their leadership. So it, you know, a light bulb 792 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,520 kind of went off, right? But it was slow. 793 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:59,000 I thought, Is the largest Children's Hospital in the world 794 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,120 lying to the public about the existence of the trans, their 795 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,560 transgender program? Did they tell the public that 796 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,320 they were shutting down the program when in actuality, 797 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,280 behind closed doors, they had continued it and only expanded 798 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,120 the scope of its practice? Like I didn't think it was 799 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,160 possible for the hospital to make such an insane decision 800 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360 because when they released that statement, released that 801 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,840 statement in March 2022, that had to have been feared by every 802 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,440 level of the hospital, the chief legal counsel, the CEO. 803 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,120 So then and also I'm going to answer your question when you've 804 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,480 had about like that fear of of you know the responsibility. 805 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,360 So a few months go by and more and more people start telling me 806 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,960 that these procedures are being done and the horror stories just 807 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,400 start piling up. Where you have young kids who 808 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,400 are saying that you know they want to have more surgery in the 809 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,600 future where you know they don't want to have kids. 810 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,880 They they, they firmly believe they're going to live as 811 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,760 transgender for the rest of their lives. 812 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,320 But these are 1112 year old kids who are being put on puberty 813 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,400 blockers. Their entire life is going to be 814 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,040 changed. But then in January of 2023, to 815 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,760 seven months after that statement, there was a zoom 816 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,160 conference with members of the transgender clinic and like a 817 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,240 group of 150 medical students. And they would talk about how 818 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,280 they were running this active clinic, how they would blackmail 819 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,680 the parents with this lie that either you're going to have a 820 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,040 living son or a dead daughter. How? 821 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,560 But there was even one social worker who said in order to 822 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,480 avoid scrutiny from governing medical bodies, he wouldn't 823 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,240 write down, she wouldn't document the consult to the 824 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:58,000 clinic, she would call them. So, like in medicine, that's 825 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,080 insane. Like you're admitting how you're 826 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,200 feeling, what you're doing from governing medical authorities 827 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,320 and it's and it it's just unbelievable that she would say 828 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,080 that. It's also and, and this was the 829 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,320 social worker you're talking about. 830 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,120 Yeah, yeah. And I have to imagine that the 831 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,680 social workers have the same sort of requirements that 832 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200 medical practitioners do from the lowest level tech all the 833 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,800 way up to whoever the head of surgery is, is that if it's not 834 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,800 written down, then we can't say that it happened, we haven't 835 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,280 documented it, it's not going to be written down, then we don't 836 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,360 know that it happened. It's like, oh, I I took vitals 837 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,360 in this time. Really, where are they? 838 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,360 Because then you didn't. Because I don't have them. 839 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,200 Yeah, so. So it's one of our absolute 840 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,000 primary responsibilities, the importance of it to not be 841 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,080 overstated. I mean that is the way in which 842 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,560 we communicate, the way in which we document everything, you 843 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,640 know, support our diagnosis, everything. 844 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,280 And for her to be like, Oh well, you know what we just in order 845 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,440 to avoid scrutiny, we just call them instead of. 846 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,440 Write them. And isn't that an an admission 847 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680 of wrongdoing as well, like from your from your listening 848 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,080 position? It would be of my opinion that 849 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,120 that constitutes potential criminal misconduct. 850 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,400 It's the same thing as someone saying, hey, you know, we're 851 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,440 we're conspiring to do this thing, so make sure we use 852 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,760 these, these apps or whatever it is so we can we can hide what 853 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,560 we're saying so we can keep it away from prying eyes because 854 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,640 we're going to do something illegal. 855 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,600 Yeah, and this is just behind closed doors, but this is a 856 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,720 publicly available Zoom conference they're having with 857 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,640 150 medical students. You know, we had heard about it, 858 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,560 so we had recorded the Zoom conference, right. 859 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,280 But then also the directories of the program, The program, which 860 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,280 supposedly does not exist, were given the opportunity to speak 861 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,520 at the hospital's most prestigious lecture theory. 862 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,960 Only two weeks before that. And I watched the lecture and 863 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,000 it's like, Oh my God, like here they are talking about like 864 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,160 their algorithmic approach in treating all these pre 865 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:57,640 adolescent kids who are confused and troubled with Uri blockers 866 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,240 and hormones. And they were advising 867 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:04,200 pediatricians to ask about gender identity behind the backs 868 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,200 of their parents. And if you're just an average 869 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,400 person from Houston and you bring your kid into the 870 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,440 hospital, your work is under the assumption that this doesn't 871 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,600 happen. This program doesn't exist. 872 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,680 So it was at that point that I realized the largest Children's 873 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,480 Hospital in the world was lying to the public about a program 874 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,600 that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing 875 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,120 confused, troubled, free adolescent, adolescent children. 876 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,280 And at that point, I knew I had a responsibility to do 877 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,960 something. How did you feel about having to 878 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,840 take that burden on? Yeah, it was terrifying because 879 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,880 it was those conversations you have with your wife. 880 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,640 To go back to your original question where you think it are, 881 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,360 we am I really going to do what I think I should do? 882 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,920 Because I saw how my moral code was challenged during COVID, 883 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,240 where I knew no one was going to stand up for what was right. 884 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,840 If you don't do it yourself, you always expect other people to do 885 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,800 it. But you have a responsibility to 886 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,520 your future children, right? And I just found out my wife 887 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,400 pregnant. Like, you know, a few weeks ago 888 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,560 we just found out some girl. And it's amazing. 889 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,880 But, you know, there comes a time where you have to be 890 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,440 willing to sacrifice everything because I wouldn't be able to 891 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,960 look at myself in the mirror if I didn't speak out. 892 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,000 Because when you boil this down to the most basic sense, what 893 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,440 this is, is child abuse. And as a doctor, I have a 894 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040 professional responsibility to report child abuse. 895 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,840 But I also have a moral responsibility as an individual 896 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,280 to make sure that this does not persist, that these kids are 897 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,720 not, you know, medically altered in a way that's going to take 898 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,040 away their opportunity to have filtering in the future there 899 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,520 to, you know, where they're they're unable to have normal, 900 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,080 sexual, meaningful relationships and think about how much you 901 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,960 love your children, how much you love your wife. 902 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,240 And there's nothing more than that. 903 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,760 Right? And we're taking that away from 904 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,200 these kids when they're at least able to understand the 905 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,080 consequences. So yeah, it's terrifying. 906 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,560 But then once you understand what's at risk that these kids 907 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,120 are being harmed, it becomes very easy. 908 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,680 At some point it becomes it became really easy to know what 909 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,720 was the right thing to do. My buddy Steve Friends says it's 910 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:35,040 not easy, but it's simple that you you may adopt that 911 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,920 terminology as well. We've all kind of walked down 912 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,280 that line where you say that that decision is hard and it and 913 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,040 the other thing that I think is interesting because I I don't 914 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,960 know anybody that's been something happened and they were 915 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,160 like, no, they threw the flag down and they said this is where 916 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,480 I stopped. Usually it's multiple pushes. 917 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,760 I don't think God expects us to be able to get it right, right 918 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,200 away. And so you get challenged and 919 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,760 you realize like, oh, that that's not how I want to respond 920 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,000 to this. I always say prepare or repair. 921 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,320 I talk about that in my advertisement. 922 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,880 But I also talk about that in our lives. 923 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,440 If you haven't prepared to experience this thing and most 924 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,360 people have never been challenged, the way that you're 925 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,520 talking about the way that I was my buddies are, you haven't 926 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,280 really set yourself up to be able to know, hey, you're going 927 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,120 to throw the fastball and I'm going to knock it out of the 928 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,720 park. And you got a second shot at it 929 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,040 like we often do. We're often challenged twice. 930 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,920 And by the way, massive congratulations on on a a new 931 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,680 baby coming to the world. I see. 932 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,800 If you're having a girl, then you're in the same boat that I 933 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,640 am. I got three of them. 934 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,200 So I think men who have a bunch of daughters probably have some 935 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,960 sins to pay for in their life. They have to go back and do a 936 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,960 good job as dad, as a girl dad. So that's really exciting. 937 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,080 I look forward to trading some stories about that when you guys 938 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,680 get closer. Yeah. 939 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,320 What was your first action? Now that you've kind of 940 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,280 determined what that path looks like, where do you go? 941 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,720 So it was January 2023 and I was going into my last year, last 942 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,440 couple of months of surgical residency. 943 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,000 So, you know, I had a job lined up everything, you know, I was 944 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,720 getting ready to graduate six months from that point. 945 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,280 But so I started reaching out to journalists and I didn't know 946 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,600 anyone. I mean I was, I was not 947 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,200 connected to any conservative circle. 948 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,080 I mean I was just a random surgical resident in Houston, 949 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680 TX. So of course the only place to 950 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:19,880 start was was just hold sending, sending emails to journalists. 951 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,040 And I would just send dozens and dozens over months. 952 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480 And you know, all the organizations that you think 953 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,640 would be interested in a story like this either didn't believe 954 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,040 it or or thought I was lying to him because the story itself is 955 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,280 kind of absurd, right. It's almost hard to believe that 956 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,560 the biggest Children's Hospital in the world is lying about this 957 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,360 program and it it's going at every level of the hospital. 958 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,960 So I was just persistent at the last minute when I was going to 959 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,960 give up. This was May, after five months 960 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,720 of being rejected, either because people thought it was 961 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,840 too controversial or they didn't believe me, I finally got a hold 962 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:04,040 of Christopher Ruffo's team in mid-May of 2023, and he was 963 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,520 interested in the story. He understood the importance of 964 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,280 it. And for anyone who's not 965 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,680 familiar, Christopher Ruffo is the conservative journalist 966 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,960 who's done a lot of work on DEI. And he released this story with 967 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,200 Claudine Gay that eventually got fired. 968 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,200 I mean, he's a brilliant journalist and he knew the 969 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,520 importance of it, but he also knew that there was something 970 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,760 coming up in the Texas Senate that I had no idea about. 971 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,200 So it, you know, kind of like what you were talking about, 972 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,080 like the the, the divine provenance that you don't 973 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,240 proceed, but it happens when you fulfill the covenant, right, 974 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:46,440 when when you act in the way that religious scripture 975 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:53,280 dictates. So the week later, the week, you 976 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,840 know, maybe a week. And 1/2 after I got in touch 977 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,200 with him, the Texas Senate was voting on a bill, SB14, which 978 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,880 would ban all of these interventions in children. 979 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:09,400 So hormones, puberty blockers for children under 18 with 980 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,120 gender dysphoria. And so he knew that there was a 981 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,960 lot online. So if we release this story in 982 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,440 time, we would be able to have an effect on the Texas Senate 983 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,280 and that people who may not vote in favor of it would vote in 984 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,000 favor. So we go through the 985 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,040 verification process, make sure that everything's buttoned up, 986 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,520 that I am who I say I am, and I'm providing reasonable, 987 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,280 credible information. We get the story out on May 988 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,040 16th, 2023, all over the big headlines. 989 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,720 And in the story I just served as the anonymous whistleblower, 990 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,040 so no one knows who I am. I'm just completely anonymous. 991 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:56,040 And the next day, Texas had voted on SB14 and the story did 992 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,840 exactly what we hoped it would. The laws got passed with 993 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,160 bipartisan support and there were multiple Democrats who 994 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,760 voted in favor of it. Because the story came out the 995 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,360 day before because many people didn't even know this was 996 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,160 happening in their district. And the reason I know that is 997 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,920 because I, I met the guy who wrote the law, you know, and he 998 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,320 told me it it was amazing. His name is Tom Oliver. 999 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,720 He's a Texas senator. He's he's a amazing, amazing 1000 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:25,600 guy. And you know, or or the story 1001 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,680 was handed out paper copies to every member of the Texas Senate 1002 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,440 the day of the vote. So, yeah. 1003 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,280 So it it had a really big impact. 1004 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,040 You're anonymous at that time. Let's talk about moving into the 1005 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,640 light. It's a weird experience as well. 1006 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,200 It's another scary sort of option. 1007 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,880 What made you decide to to to be public about it? 1008 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,120 Yeah. So you know a few other things 1009 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,120 that happened after the initial story came out. 1010 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,200 Another whistleblower came out from Texas children. 1011 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,320 It was someone who had worked with these doctors who who 1012 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,120 described the horrors of seeing how these kids were playing on 1013 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,160 blockers after 20-30 minute conversations, how he didn't 1014 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,280 understand the risk and then so that was huge too. 1015 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,640 That was like 3 days after then the Texas Attorney General 1016 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,680 announced an investigation and then into the hospital. 1017 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:24,120 And then the CEO for the second time in 14 months says that he 1018 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,720 is shutting down the program in accordance with the law. 1019 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:36,080 So Fast forward a month, June of 2023, it's the day of my 1020 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,160 graduation from Churchill residency. 1021 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,840 So the one of the most important days of my life, right? 1022 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,880 You sacrifice all this time, all this effort and you're 1023 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,640 graduating. So it's a Friday early 1024 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,400 afternoon, my family's in town and we're getting ready for the 1025 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,880 ceremony later that night and all of a sudden I get an 1026 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,200 aggressive knock on the door and kind of odd, right? 1027 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,560 Didn't didn't really expect a knock on the door like that day, 1028 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,880 you know, that time. So I shuffle over. 1029 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,840 I open the door. Standing outside are two federal 1030 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,160 agents with Health and Human Services. 1031 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,640 They show me their badges and tell me that they're 1032 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,120 investigating the case regarding medical records. 1033 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:25,880 So, you know, in the in that moment, everything kind of shuts 1034 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,960 down. You just breathe. 1035 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,920 You don't know what to do. And my mind went blank. 1036 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,640 But, like, there was a part of me that knew exactly what was 1037 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,480 happening. Like, we had found the dominant 1038 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,240 political ideology a month before, right? 1039 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:43,280 Like, if doctors know they can blow the whistle anonymously, 1040 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,320 imagine how how many other people would do the same thing 1041 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,720 and how many other people would be inspired to speak out. 1042 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,200 Because that's what happened. And there was someone else 1043 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,640 within a few days who spoke out Chris Garuffo in another story 1044 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,080 about the same thing. So we knew they were there to 1045 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,640 make an example out of me. But of course, like, you're not 1046 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,800 thinking about any of that in that moment, So I just invite 1047 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,680 him in, you know, right. The doorway. 1048 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:14,040 The doorway was very awkward And we sit down and they want to do 1049 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,640 an interview. So they set up a tripod. 1050 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:21,160 And I'm like, oh shit, maybe not the best thing, but my wife 1051 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,680 comes out. She was getting ready as well. 1052 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:30,040 And an important part she was a undergoing a federal background 1053 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,760 check that she had been hired as a assistant US attorney in the 1054 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,840 Northern District of Texas and but but we had not told them at 1055 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,440 this time. It plays an important role in 1056 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,720 the story later but if he sits down we look at each other and 1057 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,440 then we go back to our bedroom and we both know that talking to 1058 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,760 them was not the right idea was not the right thing to do right 1059 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,800 because we knew what they were there for. 1060 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,920 They were not there to to pursue justice. 1061 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,520 They were there to silence me as a whistleblower and and to 1062 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,720 punish me for for speaking out. Let's let's just hold on that 1063 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,080 for one moment because it's so critical that we convey this 1064 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,800 point to people and how blessed and and fortunate you are to 1065 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,160 have had a spouse who knows that because you're married to an 1066 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,000 attorney. And the other thing is, is that 1067 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,200 your your examination of conscience had already been done 1068 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,800 and you already knew it was at risk. 1069 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,360 Many people do not. They get themselves in a lot of 1070 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,440 trouble because they just want to. 1071 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,640 They're just going to straighten this out. 1072 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320 You know, there's there's plenty of comedians that talk about 1073 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,680 that moment. You sit down and I'm just going 1074 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,680 to straighten it out with the cops. 1075 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,880 It's like you're going to do 20 to life. 1076 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,520 I don't even know what you did, but they're going to find it. 1077 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,560 These guys were not there to administer justice because you 1078 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,520 had done nothing wrong. Yeah, yeah. 1079 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,480 And that's The thing is, like, you know, there's this part of 1080 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,400 you that things like, oh, you know what, I'll just talk to 1081 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,720 them and we'll kind of iron everything out, explain my side 1082 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,960 of the story. But people don't realize that 1083 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,240 when you're interacting with the corrupted Department of Justice, 1084 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,480 people believe that they're innocent is their best defense 1085 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,480 that ultimately they will become vindicated. 1086 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,760 But they don't realize that when it's corrupted, it is because 1087 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,880 they're innocent, because they were virtuous that they're being 1088 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,160 targeted in the 1st place. So I kind of knew that going 1089 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,520 into it. I knew that that was a 1090 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,440 possibility. So in that moment, right, it it 1091 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,680 was those instincts that that kicked in. 1092 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,800 So, you know, we we tell the agents that, you know, we would 1093 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,440 not speak with them without attorney presence. 1094 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,160 And they're like, OK, no problem. 1095 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,240 But before they leave, they hand me a target letter. 1096 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,640 And this is just a piece of paper that had informed me that 1097 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,040 I was a potential target of a criminal investigation. 1098 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,480 And it was signed by a assistant US attorney with the United 1099 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,120 States Department of Justice. This assistant US Attorney was 1100 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,640 in the Southern District of Texas, which is the same 1101 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,000 position as my wife who was in the Northern District of Texas. 1102 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,440 And then a few minutes after the door opens, right, the door 1103 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,160 closes. Agents are gone. 1104 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,680 We had that decision to make. You know, do we fight or or do 1105 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160 we stay silent, right? Do we try to comply? 1106 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,960 And we knew that like they were there because they were, they 1107 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,040 want to intimidate. They want to instill fear. 1108 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,600 They want me to comply with this phony bogus investigation. 1109 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,880 We knew they went to challenge me as a whistleblower and what 1110 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,760 their intentions were. But you know, as they have come 1111 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,680 to find out, they had knocked on the wrong door. 1112 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,680 Because that day we decided to fight and we would sacrifice 1113 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,480 everything we have. Everything. 1114 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,560 My freedom, our finances, our employment, everything to do the 1115 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,280 right thing. They miscalculate this a lot. 1116 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,800 They are used to people doing exactly what happened during 1117 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,840 that COVID lockdown where everybody whispered in the 1118 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,440 corner that East German sort of mentality that many of us talked 1119 01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,680 about or that we all kind of saw. 1120 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,520 You can go further back it. It's the story of the ordinary 1121 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,520 men during the Holocaust who just hey man, I'm not the one 1122 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,720 putting the canister in. I just put people on a train. 1123 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:10,960 I don't know what happens after that. 1124 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,040 The fact that they never come home is not my business. 1125 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,840 That ordinary men mentality where I'm just following orders 1126 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,320 and and those and those agents, you know, they're complicit in 1127 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,360 it. Whether they know that they were 1128 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,400 doing something wrong or not. They may not. 1129 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,120 They may have thought they were doing the right thing because 1130 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,360 you are a medical records violator they thought and so 1131 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,440 they're out there doing their job and no one knows knows, but 1132 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,000 we know we know how it works when you look at the bigger 1133 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,880 scope. So you guys have this moment, 1134 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,520 you've decided wrong door, we're going to put it all on the line. 1135 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,760 What's your next step? Yes. 1136 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,960 So the next step that day was, you know, we get in touch with 1137 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,400 Ruffo who puts us in contact with our attorney. 1138 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,400 Her name is Marcella Burke and she's, she's a character. 1139 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,880 I mean she's a really, really big personality. 1140 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,840 So she is this attorney who is really well connected in the 1141 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,920 conservative movement because she has a very strong athletic 1142 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,520 foundation. So, and she's also a fighter. 1143 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,640 And she had left big law a position as a partner in Big Law 1144 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,240 making seven figures because she didn't want to put pronouns in 1145 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,960 her bio. So she had LED this exodus of 1146 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,640 other conservative attorneys to start her own law firm. 1147 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,440 And then a couple of minutes after we talked to Rupo, we're 1148 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,560 on the phone with this attorney, Marcella Burke. 1149 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,440 And and we realized that, you know, she's like this, this 1150 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,120 strict Catholic rosary in one hand, middle finger in the other 1151 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,200 Bulldogs and attorney where like, you know, she's the right 1152 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,600 person. But then, you know, of course 1153 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,280 afterwards so. So we're going to hire her as 1154 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,520 our our representation. So, you know, so that day we we 1155 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,000 opened up two balls of champagne, you know, sat on our 1156 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,680 patio played like, you know this old Vietnam War music and then 1157 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,440 planned our war strategy. But and then we went to my 1158 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,680 graduation and celebrated with my family and then everyone I 1159 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,240 had trained with. But to answer, to go back to 1160 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:15,240 your question about why I decide to go public, the reason is 1161 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,040 because of our interactions with the Department of Justice over 1162 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:24,120 the next couple of months. Because you know, you're not 1163 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,040 really sure what to do. Like like how aggressive do I 1164 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,000 want to be, you know, in in this whole thing because you 1165 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,600 understand there's so much at stake and I can lose everything. 1166 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,400 So, you know, brave words are always possible in the moment, 1167 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,200 but the next morning and the morning after that becomes much 1168 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,800 more difficult. But then after interacting with 1169 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,200 the Department of Justice, we knew what the right decision 1170 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,280 was. And my attorneys hadn't even 1171 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,520 blown the whistle themselves after their communications with 1172 01:03:54,760 --> 01:04:00,320 the assistant US Attorney. This is detailed in a letter 1173 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,000 that my attorneys had sent Congress. 1174 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,520 So anyone can look at it and see what the misconduct was. 1175 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:14,200 And so that's that's what I'm going to discuss is that letter. 1176 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,800 And the reason is because if I talk about my communication with 1177 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,920 my attorney, that would violate attorney-client privilege. 1178 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,680 But because this letter exists, it's public, you know, I can 1179 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,640 address that. And what we had, what I had 1180 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,560 experienced was my attorneys have reached out to the 1181 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,240 prosecutor. And the letter demonstrates that 1182 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,800 you know the first conversation with this attorney in the 1183 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,880 Southern District of Texas. He didn't even know the details 1184 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,640 of the case before sending the agent to my apartment before 1185 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,160 initiating the investigation, right? 1186 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,280 And did it start with DOJ, or did it start with those Health 1187 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,680 and Human Services agents? In other words, agents can 1188 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,040 initiate an investigation on their own. the United States 1189 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,200 Attorney's Office can also request an investigation, which 1190 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,240 doesn't have to get picked up. Do you know where it started? 1191 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,080 Most I would say most likely Health and Human Services. 1192 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,400 It would be my opinion that that's where it started. 1193 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:19,160 And they just used her as the source to through the Department 1194 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,280 of Justice to initiate the investigation. 1195 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,960 But she had no idea what anything was about, right? 1196 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,240 She didn't know anything about the case, about the details, 1197 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,840 about what was even being alleged. 1198 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,560 She didn't know what statutes were being investigated. 1199 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,640 And it's like it's like investigating a murder case 1200 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,800 without checking to see if the person's still alive, right? 1201 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,760 It's crazy. So even though she didn't know 1202 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,680 any details about the case, they did enough research, either her 1203 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,400 or the agent, to find out that my wife was undergoing a 1204 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,480 background check as to to for her job as an assistant 1205 01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,760 attorney, attorney. Because during one of those 1206 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,040 conversations, the prosecutor had mentioned that, you know, my 1207 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,760 wife Andrea, she's not going to have any problems with the 1208 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,360 background check unless she starts to become difficult. 1209 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,200 Oh, like the mob deals with people? 1210 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,520 Yeah. Yeah. 1211 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,440 Nice business. Nice little background check you 1212 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,280 got going on there. I'd hate to have it be a problem 1213 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,360 by you getting too involved in what's going on with your 1214 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,160 husband's business. Yeah. 1215 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,600 So. And what she was referring to 1216 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,800 was my wife encouraging me to use a constitutional right. 1217 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,600 And it didn't appear to me that using my constitutional right 1218 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,160 would be, you know, interfering with an investigation. 1219 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:46,120 So a couple months go by and then the details of this letter, 1220 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,840 you know, explain and illuminate the misconduct and the abuse 1221 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,000 from this prosecutor. And he had mentioned that I had 1222 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,600 no right to blow the whistle as a doctor, that if I had a 1223 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,520 problem with what was going on, I should have just stood on the 1224 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,520 sidewalk with a sign, right. That's not my job as a surgeon 1225 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,360 to report child abuse, right? That that I have no 1226 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,640 responsibility. She had mentioned that she would 1227 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,800 pursue this investigation, she would take it to court, to a 1228 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,080 jury, right, to a jury trial, even if she was confident that 1229 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,400 they were going to lose. And the implication being is 1230 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,400 just to make my name public, to make us, you know, to to to 1231 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,480 deplete all of our financial resources and that other people 1232 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:39,680 can bring lawsuits against me. So the the list goes on. 1233 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,720 There's about 15 points where it outlined this profound abuse 1234 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:50,120 from the prosecutor's office. And it was after a couple of 1235 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:55,320 months that he had this accumulation of experiences that 1236 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,360 you realize like we're going to get destroyed if we keep this 1237 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,120 behind closed doors because that's the territory that they 1238 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,560 operate on, right? That's where they succeed 1239 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:12,200 because if if anyone hears about what's happening, the corruption 1240 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,640 become self-evident. So, yeah, so that's why in 1241 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:21,319 January of 2024, I decided to take the the story public with 1242 01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:26,479 Christopher Ruffo I want. To put your your give, send go 1243 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:31,160 up real quick folks that this resonates with. 1244 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,359 There are many of you that are parents that know what is at 1245 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,640 stake. If the institutions that we have 1246 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,439 to bring our children to are not outed for doing corrupt and evil 1247 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,920 practices, you can check out the gifts and go. 1248 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:44,240 We're going to have that in the show notes. 1249 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,840 But I want you guys to see what it looks like so you know you're 1250 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,200 at the right page. It's a legal defense fund for 1251 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,200 surgeon, whistleblower, that's what you're going to see there. 1252 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,120 And that money which you guys have raised, $218,000, I'm sure 1253 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,399 will get eaten up very easily in legal fees because you're 1254 01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:59,120 defending yourself. But you're also defending the 1255 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,560 process of bringing the story against a corrupt DOJ. 1256 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,120 Go figure. Me and my buddies know a little 1257 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,000 something about this corruption. How crazy that she decided to 1258 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,680 come in and threaten you, threaten your wife's career and 1259 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,880 then suggest we we just saw this not too long ago. 1260 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,279 They won't press charge against Joe Biden, even though he had 1261 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,200 classified documents, because he's an elderly old man. 1262 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,279 And they wouldn't be able to put a jury involved. 1263 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,200 The jury wouldn't be able to convict him. 1264 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:24,840 And they said even if we couldn't convict you, we're 1265 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,319 going to bring it because we want to just make sure, you 1266 01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,439 know, the process is the punishment. 1267 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:29,720 That's what we're about in the DOJ and. 1268 01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:34,920 And it would also the, the and I understood that this was an 1269 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,680 important precedent that because if they can silence me as a 1270 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,720 whistleblower, then any other doctor or nurse or healthcare 1271 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,680 professional who sees this kind of thing happening in their 1272 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,680 hospital and decides to blow the whistle. 1273 01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,000 They know that they would be targeted and destroyed by the 1274 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,680 federal government if if I didn't do anything about it. 1275 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,680 So I knew that there was a lot on the line that if they are 1276 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,880 allowed to get away with it, there's no other opportunity for 1277 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,920 other doctors or nurses to blow the whistle. 1278 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,920 So this is like the last chance to maintain accountability 1279 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,080 within the healthcare system and especially out over the last 1280 01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,120 couple of years. We know that it's more important 1281 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,800 now than ever. And but also about that legal 1282 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,040 fund, I, I would say it's a little bit different because we 1283 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,920 knew that like in my case, like if I just put my name out there 1284 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:33,720 and just talk about this abuse, right, Talk about the misconduct 1285 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,960 at this prosecutor's office, you know, just talking about is 1286 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,280 meaningless. What we have to do is achieve 1287 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:46,520 consequences and accountability. So it's less of a legal defense 1288 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,600 fund. I would say equally illegal 1289 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,760 offense funds because that's what we're doing, right. 1290 01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:57,920 We are pursuing every route possible in order to hold. 1291 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,760 Her. And all of these individuals 1292 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,120 accountable, including Health and Human Services. 1293 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:09,720 And the first step in that was that the letter that we had sent 1294 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,000 to Congress to Jim Jordan's committee, I'm sure you're very 1295 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,680 familiar with that too in order to initiate the process of 1296 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,040 investigation. And we're hoping that that it'll 1297 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,640 come too. But then also, you know, working 1298 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:31,000 on writing amicus briefs for other challenges to state that 1299 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000 path laws banning these interventions. 1300 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:38,000 You know, so myself and my attorneys have written a couple 1301 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,640 of briefs supporting these bans and we've kind of done it 1302 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,320 underground during a couple of months when I was still 1303 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,640 anonymous. But we knew that it was 1304 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,720 important as much to do that as anything else because if we 1305 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,520 don't go fully on the offense, then I'm just going to be 1306 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,200 destroyed. There's no, right? 1307 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,360 That's that's what would happen. You're correct. 1308 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,520 My buddy George Hill says this is a fight for our lives and in 1309 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,960 many different fields, whether you're fighting the institution 1310 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,840 of HHS or DOJ or, you know, a lot of these other institutions. 1311 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,280 And if you are not constantly putting your opponent back on 1312 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,120 the mat, then they're going to get their footing and they're 1313 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,120 going to level you because they got a lot bigger hammer than you 1314 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,240 than you do. And so I applaud that you just 1315 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,560 have that that fight instinct. I love that you guys knew from 1316 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,160 the minute that it was that it was go time. 1317 01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,160 It was time to get on what I want to focus on. 1318 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,160 And as kind of a conclusion, at least for this particular, and 1319 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,840 you're welcome to come back anytime and chat with me because 1320 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:36,240 I enjoy it a lot, 2 things, #1 let's let's do professionally 1321 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,800 where you're at right now and the reception that your employer 1322 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,040 that your eventual employer, because you had a contract to go 1323 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,360 work. And then let's talk a little 1324 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,400 personal, let's talk gun stuff at the end here, we'll wrap up 1325 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,280 with that sort of thought cause 'cause I think people will get a 1326 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,720 kick out of it. You are just a regular, like 1327 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:50,840 you. You've said a regular guy a 1328 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,400 number of times, but you and I viable on a bunch of levels. 1329 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,600 So let's talk about your employer. 1330 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,680 You had a contract. You had some agents knock on 1331 01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,960 your door. What's your employer say about 1332 01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:01,680 you coming to work for them after all this stuff? 1333 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,720 You know, I want to get too much into it because, you know, they 1334 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,080 can speak for themselves. But I'll just say that I work 1335 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,720 with really, really amazing people, people who care so much 1336 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,640 about the doctor patient relationship and what we would 1337 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,040 consider true medical ethics. So I'm a general surgeon. 1338 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,520 I have a busy practice. I was operating a lot this week. 1339 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,600 You know, last week I was in clinic 2 hours before, You know, 1340 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,280 I was on this podcast. So I'm a busy journal surgeon in 1341 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,400 a really small town outside of Dallas. 1342 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,880 And I would say the biggest way it's impacted my work is, you 1343 01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,440 know I'll get dozens of letters in the mail on my office every 1344 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:47,720 day for people who who say thank you for for standing up. 1345 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,880 And you know I I feel so humbled every single day to to have 1346 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:57,400 people do that because I feel like my I I am unworthy of it 1347 01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,320 because you know I'm just a regular person. 1348 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,640 But it it means so much especially for the people who 1349 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,880 have donated on the gifts and go because if but yeah that's 1350 01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:14,640 primary way, primary way it's been impacted and yeah I'm still 1351 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,320 operating still busy. Yeah. 1352 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,960 So broadly speaking, would it be fair to say that? 1353 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,040 Your employer is comfortable with the stance that you took, 1354 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,120 Yeah, I would say. That yes, your job is not a 1355 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,360 major for your actions, yeah. Yeah, the, the. 1356 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,480 Especially when you get out of the academic Medical Center, you 1357 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:41,640 get small town America. You realize that doctors and and 1358 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,440 the even administrations of hospitals in small towns are 1359 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:47,960 horrified, absolutely horrified by what is happening. 1360 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,560 Absolutely horrified. And they understand that And I'm 1361 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,760 not talking about my hospital but broadly that that there has 1362 01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,000 to be a response that people have to do something and that if 1363 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,240 we don't we're going to lose our profession. 1364 01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:05,200 Right. If if people like me don't stand 1365 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,920 up and then there's going to be no profession in my field room 1366 01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:14,240 one day I just have this word, Amen kind of echoing in my head. 1367 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,680 Right now. So I'll say that let's this is a 1368 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,120 stressful thing to do. It's a stressful time to be 1369 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,640 alive for everybody in a lot of ways because of what's going on, 1370 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,840 but very stressful to be a whistleblower, to know that your 1371 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,280 professional career's in jeopardy and that the DOJ is 1372 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,600 bringing its ugly head to bear on your life. 1373 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,200 What are you doing to blow off steam? 1374 01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,800 How do you how do you how do you breathe a little easy. 1375 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,440 Are you a bourbon drinker? You know let's give me, give me 1376 01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:39,600 some some personal things that that gets you detoxed as you 1377 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,080 guys look towards adding more stress in a baby that doesn't 1378 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,840 let you sleep. Yeah, yeah, that's true. 1379 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:45,400 That's true. I. 1380 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,000 I would say two primary things. I well, three. 1381 01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,320 I love reading, love reading and so I try to go through a couple 1382 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,920 books every month. I play a lot of music. 1383 01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:01,480 I've I've played guitar for years and and just privately, 1384 01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:04,200 you know, but then also gone. I mean, that's. 1385 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,400 I mean, truly, I don't know how that came up in our first 1386 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,000 conversation, but it came up out of nowhere. 1387 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,560 Yeah, it does. Building them. 1388 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:12,560 I love shooting them. I. 1389 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,200 Love looking at them. It's like because once you kind 1390 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,880 of start going down that rabbit hole, it's just such an amazing 1391 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,280 thing because you realize that you have these tools which are 1392 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,120 not meant for harm but are meant to protect the people you love 1393 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,320 the most. And you see how with the Second 1394 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:36,800 Amendment that this is not just some active amendment to our, 1395 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,120 you know, in our country, right. This is not something that we 1396 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,320 just say, but something we have to live. 1397 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:47,560 So, you know, I bought my first gun in June of 2020, you know, 1398 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,120 when they were burning cars outside of my wife's apartment 1399 01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,800 in Houston during the during the BLM ride. 1400 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:59,920 And I knew that I had to take on the responsibility as a husband 1401 01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:03,280 and as a protector in order to take care of the people I love 1402 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,120 the most. And and that's going to be my 1403 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:09,000 wife and my future daughter. So ever since then, you know, 1404 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,280 it's building, building rifles, shooting rifles. 1405 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,120 I just got, you know, my a thermal optic. 1406 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,400 So looking forward to going hunting soon at night, going to 1407 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,600 knockout some coyotes or something. 1408 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,720 Or some pigs, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got ATN four or 1409 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,600 five. And yeah, it's beautiful. 1410 01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,440 Are you on the, did you say east or West of Dallas? 1411 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,280 East of Dallas, OK, I got. Some friends that are West of. 1412 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,840 Fort Worth, I may talk to you. They've they've got some pigs 1413 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,640 that might need some killing if you got the tools for it. 1414 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,600 So we'll we'll discuss that. We'll discuss that at a later 1415 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,800 date, give you some some kind of moments to clear your head. 1416 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,160 By the way, if you've never been to Texas people and you don't 1417 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,240 know about the hog problem we have here, there are feral hogs 1418 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,720 that run around and they destroy things and they need to be 1419 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,440 killed. They need to be eradicated and 1420 01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,000 nobody feels bad about putting them down. 1421 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,240 So that's what we're talking about here. 1422 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,680 Yeah, that's it's so interesting that these things align. 1423 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,760 I don't know how we landed on guns when we first started 1424 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,360 talking, but the the instinct towards freedom and defense, do 1425 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,080 you have any formal training that you've gone through? 1426 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:12,200 Have you gone through any courses? 1427 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:13,640 Yeah, a couple. Yeah. 1428 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,240 I I think training is an important thing. 1429 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,440 Because you know, not only it's about like pulling the trigger 1430 01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:22,000 and you know, seeing a bullet go down range and hit target, but 1431 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,840 it's about knowing how to handle it, how to keep it safe, how to 1432 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,800 reload it, how to. But also to having your pro on, 1433 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,360 you know, your equipment, your your plate carrier, but then 1434 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,720 making sure that your rifle is set up in a way to be 1435 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,120 comfortable and be usable when the moment's necessary. 1436 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,440 Because you know, if you have a rifle that's not zero to 100 1437 01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:47,920 yards and you can't judge where that zero is, if you're shooting 1438 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,600 at 10 or 25 yards and that becomes oily, you have to be 1439 01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,320 able to not only do it yourself, but communicate to other people, 1440 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,480 right? Like like 100 yards, right? 1441 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,560 It's, it's the reticle is going to be on the target, right? 1442 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,280 If it's a little bit closer than a little bit above, right, a 1443 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,800 couple of inches above. But I think there's something 1444 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:13,880 brilliant about shooting firearms and then, you know, 1445 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,520 surgery because it's all about precision, accuracy, right? 1446 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,000 Where when you shoot a rifle, you have so many things that go 1447 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,000 into pulling the trigger. You know the the setup of the 1448 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,080 rifle, how you position it, how you breathe, how you think. 1449 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,760 And then when you pull the trigger, you hope that round 1450 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,160 will go downstream and then hit the target where you want. 1451 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,840 And when you're accurate, that bullet will go exactly where you 1452 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,640 hope it will. And in life and in surgery, 1453 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,120 that's what we do as well, right? 1454 01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,240 When you implement a treatment, when you operate on someone, you 1455 01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,320 hope that you are identifying a problem in that every move you 1456 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,800 make with your hand is going to go towards solving and treating 1457 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,360 that pathology. So accuracy and precision is 1458 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,080 kind of embedded into our core as a surgeon. 1459 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,280 And when I picked up shooting and and firearms, you realize 1460 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,120 that it's the exact same way and like just like we have to 1461 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,080 protect patients, right? You have to protect your family 1462 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,920 and and. Your community with, with your 1463 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,200 firearm, very well said. I'm going to give you. 1464 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,280 A chance to plug the social that you'd like people to go. 1465 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,160 I I pulled it up on the screen here so I'll give you a chance 1466 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,280 to to tell people where to follow you at and and what sort 1467 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,280 of messages of hope they can send you or if they want to send 1468 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:40,480 you you know hate mail or whatever. 1469 01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,280 There's not not from this podcast they won't happen I'll 1470 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,920 throw it on the screen. Not much hate mail. 1471 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,600 I've only gotten like like 2 emails. 1472 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,960 Which is surprising. But yeah, you got to step up 1473 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,080 that game. Those are rookie numbers. 1474 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,240 I like getting the angry. Ones Yeah, yeah. 1475 01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,720 I think those are kind of entertaining, but. 1476 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,480 So if anyone wants to donate, they can go to 1477 01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:03,280 giftsandgo.com/texas. And the important thing for 1478 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,000 people to know is that this is not only a legal defense fund 1479 01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,800 fund, but a offense fund. Because our goal is to hold 1480 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,080 these people accountable as much as possible. 1481 01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,520 But but the way we mean that is in the most severe way possible, 1482 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:22,240 right through legal processes and then on Twitter. 1483 01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,480 That's the only thing I have. I never had social media before 1484 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,160 that, which is, you know, a good thing. 1485 01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:31,640 But it's at A Ton Heim on Twitter, and that is spelled out 1486 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:37,040 EI. THAN and then the second. 1487 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,560 Is. Haim, Did I get it right, Doc? 1488 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,560 Yes, Sir. That'll be in. 1489 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,280 The show description folks if you want to follow. 1490 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,080 And you should keep track of this. 1491 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,560 If this is a passion of yours, which protecting children should 1492 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,960 be all of our passion in Western civilization. 1493 01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,480 Another warrior in there. Will you come? 1494 01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:57,960 If we do a suspendable shoot of a bunch of my guys, the 1495 01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,040 whistleblower team coming out and doing some shooting, will 1496 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,160 you come shoot with us? Oh, absolutely. 1497 01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:03,680 Yeah. OK, We're going to do some 1498 01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:04,320 tactics. We're going to. 1499 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:05,760 Try to shoot some pigs, we're going to try to figure. 1500 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:06,720 It out. I don't know when it's going to 1501 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,400 happen, but when it does, we'll make it happen. 1502 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,320 We'll do the Tannerite and the Hog trick, right? 1503 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,920 Will you will you tell that you you got to tell the story before 1504 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,120 we wrap? Up then, yeah, yeah. 1505 01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,640 So you know the called the Tannerite. 1506 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,880 And the hog trick, right? So you know you have someone 1507 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,520 who's the new shooter and I take him out hog hunting, and you 1508 01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,720 kill a hog beforehand, but you fill it with Tannerite and you 1509 01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:32,160 put it out maybe 50-50 yards. Something that a new shooter can 1510 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,640 can hit easily and you set it up to where it looks like it's a 1511 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,800 lie. So you tell a person to shoot 1512 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,680 this hog, It's like their opportunity and and they shoot 1513 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,720 it and the thing's going to explode. 1514 01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:47,880 So that's the tan, right, And the hog trick. 1515 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,320 Whereas the person's fighting some freak out, you know, 1516 01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,840 shooting the hog for the first time and and not realizing 1517 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,320 that's kind of full of bugs. They'll give you another, 1518 01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:58,840 they'll give you another trick. For new shooters. 1519 01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,400 It's very fun. Especially if you're in Texas, 1520 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,880 the key is you need a revolver in either 357 or 44 mag, OK? 1521 01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,520 And either of those weapons will shoot either 38 Special or 44 1522 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,360 special, right? They'll shoot a lighter load. 1523 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,480 And so the key is, is that you take new shooters and then you 1524 01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,640 take your wife. It's probably not when she's 1525 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,160 pregnant, but you take your wife and you have her show this 1526 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,920 friend who's never shot before how to shoot the revolver with 1527 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,520 the 44 Special or the 38 Special round. 1528 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,880 So you're giving them, you're giving your wife the light load, 1529 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,120 crack it back, fire it. Fire, fire, fire. 1530 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,840 OK, Then you load it with a full power mag load and you give it 1531 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,400 to your guy friend who thinks he's tough and let him watch it 1532 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,800 just jump out of his hands And then and they won't know the 1533 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:40,960 difference because they're new shooters. 1534 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:41,960 They've never. Seen this before so. 1535 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,120 Then you load it back up with specials. 1536 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,480 You give it back to your wife. You're like, look, she's going 1537 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,720 to show you how to do it. You're not controlling the 1538 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,400 recoil very well, and she handles it no problem. 1539 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,200 Then you load it with the full power and it's jumping out of 1540 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,880 his hands. You just let him. 1541 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,440 Wonder man really got to get better at this. 1542 01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:56,560 I did this with my wife from from New York when she was very 1543 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,080 new at shooting and she made some some Brooklyn guys look 1544 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,680 really bad. It was my favorite, favorite 1545 01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,560 little trick. That's one thing I cannot wait 1546 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,040 to. Do There we go, Doc. 1547 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,320 Thanks for joining me today. Appreciate it so much, folks. 1548 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,440 You can follow. You can donate to the gifts and 1549 01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:12,000 go, and you can follow them on social media. 1550 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,840 And I hope you'll come back. We'll talk again, especially if 1551 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,120 there's any updates. When these evil people start. 1552 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:17,920 They don't quit usually, so we'll be there. 1553 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:20,120 All right. Thank you so much. 1554 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,080 I appreciate you having me. On. 1555 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,760 All right, brother. It's been my pleasure. 1556 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,560 So there we go. Folks. 1557 01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,680 What you think? Let's let's wrap this thing up 1558 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,440 in a good way. Let's go ahead and throw up the 1559 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,720 merch store. You guys can go to the merch 1560 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,040 store at the Dash suspendables.com. 1561 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,800 It's the Dash suspendables.com. Use the promo code. 1562 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,960 Kyle saves you 10% if you're trying to pick up something for 1563 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,720 my buddy Garrett. O'boyle, another suspendable 1564 01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,440 man. Doc Heim. 1565 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,120 What a stud, huh? Look, we got the the pins. 1566 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,080 They just came in. If you guys didn't get one yet, 1567 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,600 you can order three of these for 30 bucks and you can hand them 1568 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,080 out to somebody who should remember to do the right thing. 1569 01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,560 But I think, I think the doc is going to get one of these. 1570 01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,200 We're going to put one of these in the mail out there to him. 1571 01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:06,560 I got a couple of them that I can hand out. 1572 01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,840 You got to earn these and unless you guys think otherwise, you 1573 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,480 tell me in the chat. You guys go ahead and put it out 1574 01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:12,840 there. Give me a one in the chat. 1575 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,200 If you think that the doc should be sporting one of these on his 1576 01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,240 scrubs when he rolls around that hospital. 1577 01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,760 The dash dispendables.com is where you can find your 1578 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:20,400 suspendables. Merch. 1579 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:21,880 You can get any of the cool shirts. 1580 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,800 The Kyle Seraphin Show shirt, which is abbreviated TKSS. 1581 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,920 Yes, that's how the me and the boys talk about it behind the 1582 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,240 scenes. We always send messages. 1583 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,360 What's going on on TKSS this week? 1584 01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,480 Pretty funny stuff. Go ahead and go to 1585 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,880 thedashdismantles.com. Put the sweatshop to work for 1586 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,520 you. Let's do a five star review as 1587 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:39,440 well. We might as well. 1588 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:45,680 Here it is, and this one is coming from T Cambogi GA. 1589 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:46,920 MB OGI. What do you think? 1590 01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:51,040 T Cambogi says Friendly Friday? Kyle, I just listened to 1591 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,720 Friendly Fridays. You're getting a whole lot 1592 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,000 better at this. I love the animation with the 1593 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,680 information. I don't know what you're talking 1594 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,240 about specifically, but I'm trying to get better every day. 1595 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,920 So I appreciate you acknowledging the work getting 1596 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,960 put in there. Folks, This has been the Kyle 1597 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,680 Saravan Show. I hope you enjoyed it. 1598 01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,040 We enjoyed bringing it to you. I will see you again tomorrow 1599 01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,560 for that friendly Friday. Look forward to seeing Steve 1600 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,120 Friend in the morning. And God bless you, be good to 1601 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,240 each other. Be ready to do the right thing 1602 01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:19,960 You're going to be asked. I don't know when it's coming, 1603 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:20,840 but we're all going to get there. 1604 01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,040 See you soon. Thanks for listening to the Kyle 1605 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:27,000 Serafin Show streamed live weekdays on rubble.com/kyle 1606 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,280 Serafin. Follow Kyle on Twitter, Truth, 1607 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,600 Social and Instagram at Kyle Serafin.