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Yeah, he's a good man. He is.
This is Doctor A Tanheim. It's like you said, Akon, but
not it's a tan. I just said eight.
I just screwed it up, didn't I? Yeah, yeah.
It's like the rapper Akon. Who is the voice of a
generation? You just told me a second ago.
But it's not that, at least every farm, it's booked for the
last 10. It's so good.
He's a general surgeon, folks. He is a a whistleblower from
Texas Christian, if you heard, I'm sorry, Texas Children's
Hospital, which is what you saw on our on our thumbnail.
If you heard about how the state of Texas has been pushing
against trans surgeries, Dr. Heim is one of the reasons why.
Buddy, why don't you tell people where you're from?
I want to give. I want to get a full perspective
so people get a a sense of where you grew up and who you are.
We're going to talk about values and why you decided to do what
you did, Yeah. Well, you know, I appreciate you
having me on the show. My name is Eitan Heim.
I grew up in Florida. You know, I have a brother and a
sister. I have two parents.
I'm very close with my family and my dad's a doctor and he's a
pulmonologist. And I remember being young and,
you know, going out to like, grocery store, going out to
dinner and seeing how his patients would come up to him
every once in a while. And, you know, they would have
this relationship with them that was something that was so
unique, that is that can only be had between a doctor and a
patient. And you saw how much they
appreciate the fact that he was their doctor.
And it really meant a lot to these people.
And I wanted the same thing for myself.
So I went to undergraduate College in USF in Tampa and then
medical school for Atlantic in Boca Raton.
And then I got accepted to my surgical residency in Baylor
College of Medicine in Houston, TX.
But in every way, I'm I'm just your average Florida guy.
You know, my wife and I plan on living in a small town in Texas.
We never intended for any of this to happen, but you know,
when we saw all of it happen, we knew that that there was no
option but to do something about it.
You started off with a reference about bar mitzvahs.
Bar mitzvahs, Will you talk about faith in your life as you
grew up and whether that was big in your house or whether it's
become big as you've gotten into this?
Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting because my parents
are from Israel and growing up, I had an Orthodox bar mitzvah at
Habad Temple, Really good, good temple.
So, you know, it's like the very traditional Jewish bar mitzvah.
But going into my teens, of course, there's that natural,
rebellious phase when you're growing up.
So I became this radical leftist and I used to write in the
school newspaper about how, you know, conformity and and
capitalism and all these things that you would see in every big
newspaper now. And I would like that for years,
about halfway through college, this is, you know, 2008, 2009,
2010. But then things started to
change, especially when it came to Israel, because, you know, my
family is from there. I still have family living
there. And then you have these
conflicts that happen every couple of years.
And I saw how the media would distort the reality of the
situation. And in it was a reality that I
knew was completely false, that they were pushing out to their
readers or their viewers. So it started with this small
crumb that you latch onto and before you know it, you start
pulling the string and you think, well, if this is false,
then how much of everything else that I believe is false.
So I just kept on pulling at that string and realized that
everything I had believed in was just completely untrue.
So starting around 2010, I became this avid reader.
I never really read books before growing up because, you know, I
was too busy getting into trouble with my friends and my
brother. But yeah, around 2010 I started
just reading hundreds and hundreds of books about history,
about communism and capitalism, the American Revolution.
And I mean every topic you can imagine a lot about World War 2
and it really kind of formed the foundation of this, you know,
political bedrock, you know, the the way I see the world now.
And but one thing that really stands out during that time is,
you know, I would, I would read all these stories and think that
none of this is ever going to happen during my lifetime.
Like, you know, things are so calm, they're so Placid that
these world changing events are a thing in the past.
But all that changed in 2020 and it it's it's like that thing
from I think Hemingway where, you know, it happened gradually
and then all of a sudden because I knew that things were
changing, but you know, they happened all of a sudden in
2020. How long have you been married?
August of 2022 we got married. And what was the connection?
What is sort of the faith tradition of your wife?
You guys share something in that?
Was it? Was she coming out of the same
faith tradition? Of the same sort of awareness.
Well, she actually grew up Catholic.
Her father is Jewish, but her mother is Catholic.
And if if because my dad's Jewish and my mom's Christian,
but she converted to Judaism. My mom's actually German, which
is an interesting story, but so she had never really grown up
with religion. But then we met.
We fell in love. I knew I was going to marry her
after the first they, you know, that was a fact and you know.
After we do you have any say in that?
She had no say. You were just going to marry
her? Yeah, no, she had no say.
Yeah, but when we started getting serious, we knew that
faith was going to be a really important part of our lives.
But that only became more important over the past.
I mean, really, since this whole situation started happening.
Because it rekindled that that belief in a higher power in me.
Because so many things have happened that go beyond just
chance or or you know like opportunity, where the way
things have played out, it's it's more than that, where it's
actual what I believe is divine province.
It's funny how when things are really difficult, that's when we
start seeing the hand of God in the world.
I don't think people see it otherwise.
Maybe they're not looking for it.
I think it's probably always there, but it's harder to
recognize, is it not? I I think, and I think it's when
you, when you start acting by the covenant that God has
provided us, when you start acting in a virtuous, courageous
way, that you're put in situations where you have to do
things that are very, very uncomfortable and very scary.
So you think that you're going to get destroyed.
But then when you just act in the simplest way possible, you
just speak the truth. You live by the covenant.
Then this story starts unfolding and and you realize that it's
it's Providence that's leading you down the right path.
And it's, I don't know, it's, it's something that I'm still
kind of working out in my mind because it's it's something I've
recognized. I've acknowledged.
It's true because I'm here sitting and talking to you,
right. But the the details of it, the
exact way to describe that, I think it's difficult because so
much of it's new. I always tell people that it's
really difficult to see God's plan as you are living it.
You can only see it with a lot of perspective in the rear view
mirror. And then you start going like,
oh, OK, that's that's why that terrible thing happened to me.
Or that's why I was a bonehead when I was.
And that's why these sort of, you know, personality traits
were developed when they were I I I can't see it when it's
happening. I don't know why it goes on
until later on in my life. And then you look back and you
go, all this starts making sense.
You know, that's probably, there's probably no better way
to describe it than that because looking back over the past
couple of months, past year, two years, you realize that.
Yeah, like, you understand why everything was there for a
reason, why I met my wife, why I was at this program, why certain
things happen at certain moments.
Yeah, I would say that's probably the best way to
describe it. You don't know what the plan is,
but in retrospect you see how the hand of God has played a
role. I had these people tell me folks
from Catholic Vote, which is one of the sponsors you just heard
us read, but they they said that God draws straight with crooked
lines. That's that's a divine
capability that none of us are able to do, where things are the
way they are supposed to, even though they don't make any
sense. Let's talk about Med school, if
you if we can. Most people have not been to Med
school. Talk to me about what the
education looks like, what the, what sort of thinking is being
done, if you would, and the types of your colleagues that
were there, where you fit in, in the crowd, what sort of values
they brought to it? Are people interested in money?
Do they want to help people? Is it all the above?
Just fire away on Med school if you would.
Both Med school and residency were really important times, I
think, in the history of modern American medicine, because they
occurred during these transitional times.
So I went to medical school from 2014 to 2018, and in medical
school the first two years you focus on the basic science, so
biochemistry, anatomy, Physiology.
You have to learn the way the body works in order to treat the
body. And your third and 4th year of
medical school are when you start doing clinical rotation.
So you'll spend six weeks in general surgery.
You'll spend six weeks in internal medicine.
So during that time, you take the lessons you learned during
your first two years about the human body anatomy and
Physiology, and then you have the opportunity to apply it in
the real world on patients. So that's the important thing
about Med school, where you have the first portion is, you know,
basic sciences, it's in the textbook and then the
second-half is in the real world.
But the time that I was in Med school was important because you
know, there had there, there were changes taking place in
America where you have this woke ideology that's being
incorporated into our major institutions in academia, in
medicine, in the government. And we started seeing the
manifestations of that in the real world.
So for me, it was in Med school. So I went to, you know, a newer
lecture known medical school or Atlantic.
You know, it had opened up a couple of years before.
So it wasn't that prestigious. So the great thing is, is that
the class that I was with, the class I graduated with, everyone
was down to earth. Everyone was brilliant.
But they, you know, were like these typical people, right?
They were just average people who who were in medical school.
So you didn't have like this, this gunner personality that you
see in all these fancy medical schools that like the Ivy.
So you had a good number of strong conservative students.
So we would have these portions of our curriculum which were
like the social science about medical ethics, where the
professors would try to push these crazy ideas about gender
ideology and abortion, and we would push back with maximum
aggression. And at that time, we could, you
know, we were able to have meaningful conversations in
these lectures and our opinions were partially respected.
Kind of like partner. Yeah.
And. And they couldn't take us out of
medical school if we had a different opinion, which is
different than it is now. So you know.
When did you, when did you start medical school?
Just I want to put people on a timeline again. 2014 and then I
graduated 2018. OK, so worth people knowing
that's going back ten years ago and even that 10 years.
We think there's probably been a dramatic change in the way that
it's taught. I mean to a dramatic change
would be an understatement. There's no comparison to to the
way medical schools are now, especially after 2020.
So when you're in medical school, you start choosing which
specialty you're going to go into.
So around your third, fourth year, you go into a process
called the match where you it kind of works like authority
recruitment. The algorithm to match medical
students into residency programs is the same that matches
authority girls into authority, incidentally enough.
But so for me, I chose to go into general surgery.
So I interview at a lot of different programs, you know,
and I was like second or third in my medical school class.
I scored like the 98th percentile for my board exam.
So, you know, I had the opportunity to go to a bunch of
great programs. I interviewed at Northwestern,
Cornell, you know, UT Southwestern, Baylor, bunch of
great programs. And I ended up at Baylor College
of Medicine, which was great because it's one of the most
prestigious surgery programs in the country because you have a
huge amount of history that was created at that program in
Houston back. I know at least a couple of guys
that were my age that ended up in their surgical program.
They all ended up in plastics for whatever reason.
I don't know why that was the thing they did.
It probably suited their personality types too.
They were a little bit more. They were probably just good for
some guys, right? Yeah, Usually plastic surgeons
they have, they have good haircuts.
They're pretty boys, you know. Kind of vain.
Yeah, yeah, maybe a little bit, but but plastic surgeons are
good, you know, they do good work.
Sure. The the fun story, the the kind
of the personal little anecdote My best buddy from high school
who always wanted to be a neurosurgeon.
That was his his goal in life. It's all he ever wanted to be.
From the time he was eight years old, he went.
And when he was a engineering student in Boston, he was
interning with them. He was at, where was he at?
I think he was at UT Southwestern.
And so he was doing work there and he was in their neurology
lab. And he was, he told me at one
point in college. He said he called me up and he
goes, hey man, I think we were juniors in high in college.
And he goes, I'm the head guy. I go, what's that?
And he was like, oh, I got this like, fridge full of heads.
And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, they're human
heads. They're in buckets.
And I give them out to people that are doing experiments.
And I went, oh, that's that's a weird job.
So I said, can we get one? And he goes, no, no, you can't
have a head. And I said, oh, OK well, then
I'm not that interested. It's not that cool.
He ended up marrying one of the PAS who was in the plastics
program from another guy that I knew.
They they were dating the same gal or they they they he stole
the girl away and ended up marrying her and he is now a
family practitioner. He said he would have been the
Rudy of surgery. He was no good at it, but he
knew where his talents lie and he ended up marrying a a
plastics PA, which is kind of funny so.
Yeah. And and it's good to know that
before you know, like if you're, you have to know what kind of
personality you have because if you choose the wrong speciality,
it's a disaster. Some people do.
But you know, yeah, it makes me think like, if they did give you
the the head, like it's probably not a good look to have a human
head in your refrigerator. No.
And I was a mower on, you know, I mean, I'm like 21 years old
with bad ideas. So, like, you talked about
getting into trouble, and sometimes you have these
terrible ideas. It's good that you have friends
that know better, are looking out for you and tell you they're
not going to give you a human head.
I have no idea why I asked him for that.
To be fair like that, I didn't have a plan.
OK, so you're you're in Med school.
You're matched up with us. You get to go to a prestigious
school. You just mentioned that you were
or at the top of the of of your percentile, which I can, I can
already assess that your intelligence level is very, very
high which people can hear. They're hearing that right now.
But that doesn't mean that you necessarily have a very high
moral standing and you actually came in there with a sort of a
moral code that got challenged as as you decided to go into
your residency program, the surgical residency.
Yeah, yeah. And.
And I I I say I had a moral code.
But you know, the first opportunity when that was
challenged, you know, I had failed because.
So I started my surgical training in 2018.
And for those who don't know, your surgical training is this
very intense program. It's just like the shows, but
it's crazier. In real life, it's five years
long. You spend grueling hours, 80, a
hundred hours every single week. So, you know, my first day in
surgical residency, I was covering night.
And this was on a service called cellular service because the
surgeon, whose name is Joseph Caselli, and he does these
massive surgeries where they replace the entire aorta.
And these people are the thickest patients in the Medical
Center in Houston. And if their blood pressure
drops, then they become paralyzed because they interrupt
so many of the blood vessels from the aorta that they can
reduce the blood pressure to the spine.
The blood pressure drops too low, right.
They go paralyzed. And so you have these critically
I'll patients and I'm like a day one intern.
I'm taking care of all these patients on my own and one of my
attending is the meanest grouches most you know, tan
tanker is attending you could ever imagine.
Give people a well. You give people a sense of the
the hierarchy and and the lower archy.
Let's say also of who's in a teaching hospital.
I've worked in them, but not everybody has.
Yeah, yeah. So as a resident, you're at the
very bottom of the bear. Whenever someone is looking for
someone to kick or be found, the resident is the person they go
to. And you know, that's most of the
time justified because often times we make the worst
decisions and make mistake. Of course, all those are
identified by people who are higher up in the food chain and
they correct those decisions. So you know, if if people go to
a teaching hospital, I don't want them to be too concerned
about the quality of the care they're getting.
But yeah, so you have your surgical intern, then your
higher level residence, you know, PGY 345.
PGY stands for postgraduate year.
That's what we call resonance. So like a PGY one is an intern,
AP GY5 is a chief resonance and then you have the attending.
But even within the attendings, you have this hierarchy where
you have the newer attending which still will get beat down
and get embarrassed in front of everyone.
And I saw that my first, second day of resonance where you would
have these attending surgeons being being male made to be like
to look like children in front of the whole team, all of the
patients in the middle of the search for ward.
And then at the very top is like the top dog and the entire
atmosphere is determined by the top dog.
So if that person is, you know, a malignant type of personality,
then every minute of every single day you're going to be
walking on egg shells and in in some services.
That's kind of how it was. Can we can we just discuss the
irony of the fact that probably the most alpha masculine career
that we know of that that's not physical, so it's not military,
it's not law enforcement. But when it comes to just pure
meanness and capabilities driven and meritocracy is what's goes
on in most of these residency programs and and especially in
teaching hospitals. They've also adopted all this
weird woke ideology, which is like the softest, most fake
compassionate garbage. How?
How do these two sort of meritocracy and aggressive Type
A personalities vibe with that bizarre ideology?
Yeah. And you know just to to under
score that point too. I mean I would say that just in
the way that other physical profession like you know they're
they're physical where where they have to interact with the
real world. I mean with surgery that's
exactly what it is because you're physically operating on
these people and these people are big.
They're bleeding. You know, you have, you have to
combine, you know, fierce strength with with very delicate
movement around major structures that if you screw something up,
they're going to start housing blood and that person's going to
die And the type of personality that goes into it.
People have this false idea that surgeons are these narcissistic
kind of God like people, but couldn't say in reality it's
jacked off. Sorry.
About that we had a we had a a little, a little sneak in there
that wanted to interrupt us. Yeah, no worries, no worries.
But every person I've met is humble, is measured, is prudent.
The reason is because we when we when you deal with surgical
pathology on a daily basis, you are constantly humbled to the
nature of the diseases you're taking care of.
So even if a surgeon you know is has a big personality, when it
comes down to the most important moment, they're always measured.
Because no matter who you are, if you're the most expert
surgeon in the world, you know, if you're leading your field,
you always get humbled by things you never could have expected.
So yeah it's and then you take these people, right these
surgeons, you they live and die like we live and die by this
code where you have to take people to the operating room for
a reason. You have to live by these
medical ethics because if you don't, you're really going to
hurt people. And then in 2020, you saw this
massive shift take place where even the, the strongest
surgeons, the people who control the hospital, who have so much
power, has competed to, you know, these really what amounts
to like college students, right? The the people in that, the
department that no one respected, the craziest ideas,
but all of them, no matter all the disease, they would take on
on a daily basis, all the courage to take.
When it came to that, they had all floundered.
And I saw that the whole way through, because in 2018-2019 I
saw I like I worked with these Titans of surgery.
But then I saw how they all caved to pressure at the the
flip of a dime. It's it's I'd never really
considered the the the concept in the military we talk about
guys that are like high level operators.
You've probably heard this term before which is funny because
you were you're doing actual operations and and a very
different type of that, you know physical operations of of being
military versus being in a hospital and operating on a
person. But that same mentality of
constantly being humble, having the volume turn down your life
because you make life and death decisions you like you said
strength and gross motor skills with fine-tuned things, guys
that are kicking down doors but then they are making this tiny
little trigger press that has to do something.
There's a lot of commonalities that makes a perfect amount of
sense to me. And I also think that that it's
it's kind of interesting to think about how all those people
that were all over the military, we've got guys that are special
forces generals that also cave to this woke ideologies like
professional killers that have gone overseas and done bad
things to bad people. And then you've got these
surgeons that are in the hospitals that are making life
and death decisions and holding people's literally holding their
organs in their hearts and tiny little cuts are going to make
the difference between whether they survive or not.
And those people couldn't just say, hey, boys have a penis,
girls have a vagina. Yeah, like like kindergarten
comp level stuff. The the people who had the most
power and the ability to make a difference had decided to stay
silent. And it goes to show the strength
of the ideology and academic Medical Center.
Because no matter who you are, you could be the top surgeon in
your field. But if you transgress the the,
the, this neoliberal leftist ideology, they will take you out
no matter who you are. And with surgeons, we put so
much time and effort into our careers that for so many people
there's this fear that we give it all up and and for making a
stand. And you know, so many of us
think that, well, we have this mortgage, we have this career we
have to take care of, we have to take care of our families.
So we have to maintain our career, but I think it's a false
calculation because they don't realize that if they don't
confront these issues, if they don't fight against it, what
they're really doing is just passing that fight on, fight
along to their children. So they think they're taking
care of their kids, but they're really not because the world
they're delivering their children into is a much more
dangerous world than the one they grew up in.
So they think that by things silent, they're protecting their
children themselves. But, but what they're really
doing is, is just forgoing the fight that needs to be had.
They're just taking care of themselves, no?
I've been having these thoughts throughout the week, and this is
a perfect segue into it for this, for this day.
The question is this men, specifically, men who are
supposed to lead, men who are supposed to do the right thing
by their children, by their wives, by their, by their
society. Like what are they saving it
for? And you just said it very
articulately. They're delivering their kids
into a world that's worse because they think that they're
defending something. It's the same thoughts I had
when I was looking at the FBI. It was like, am I going to
retire with a pension? And I said, well, I kept a roof
over our house, over our heads. We were able to eat you.
You live in tyranny. Now the the communists took over
our country. And I didn't do anything.
But at least you, you know, got to live comfortably while you
were a teenager. I I this is the interesting
thing for me, especially in your story.
And I'd love you to articulate how you came to this calculus
because you're looking at people at the top of the industry, the
people that have all the power, as you said, in your field and
your influence, and they're terrified to upset the status
quo. As the status quo drifts further
and further to the crazy left, they're not willing to step up
and go, hey guys, what are you doing?
Like, we're surgeons. We know about biology, we know
about physical structure, and we're not going to go do this.
We're not going to go hack body parts.
It took you. Who were you?
You're in your surgical residency, right?
You're at the terminal end of your surgical surgical
residency, doing a rotation at Texas Children's, and you went
well. And I I'm guessing you have
student loan debt. Do you have debt?
Yeah, well luckily that's all handled at this point.
But you had debt when you were going in there.
Maybe luckily not. Oh OK so this is.
So this is yet another reason why you and I have some
similarities because you had some financial capabilities to
go into this and you made a bold decision that just said, hey I
may have just put 10 years of my life on the line for nothing,
but this is wrong. Can you let's let's talk about
first of all what you saw if you'll give folks that and then
how you started about whistleblowing is such a like
it's such a personal every single situation is its own.
So let's let's dig into it. Yeah.
So for me, it really starts a little bit earlier in 2020 with
COVID because you know, maybe for like a week, I I kind of had
bought into it. But then I quickly realized that
what they were perpetuating were were lies in propaganda, that
masking, social distancing, contact tracing, were not
measured that you use to control a pandemic like COVID.
These are not things that make rational sense.
They cannot be. They have no therapeutic
rationale behind it. And you know, it's one thing to
describe it in theoretical terms, but in the hospital every
day you see what happens on the ground.
So for me, I was taking care of hundreds and hundreds of people.
So I thought countless people who suffered and died alone in
the hospital without their loved ones, without ever having the
chance to say goodbye. And that was one of the most
painful things to ever see. And and the whole time you're
going through it, you think that someone's going to stand up and
and say something about it. Someone has to realize this is
all crazy. But as I progressed more and
more, it was just saying crazier and crazier and no one was
saying anything. Was anyone talking like in break
rooms or on the side? Like, hey, this is terrible.
Like, we just had an old lady die and we told her family they
couldn't come in. The way it would work is we
would have to sub communicate. I had to sub communicate with
other residents, so I would have to say something kind of benign,
you know, to another resident who I thought might think in a
similar way. So you're sounding you're like
sounding them out to to kind of see if they they agree with it?
Kind of like in East Germany, right, where you say one thing
to see if they're like on the same wavelength.
And then maybe a couple weeks ago by then you say something
else. And then you say something else.
And before you know it, you're organizing, you know, just you
and this other person or two other people in like dark
corners to talk about how crazy things are.
But the worst was what I saw happening to children because
when you had the, the emergence of the lockdowns, we saw the
number of cases of child view, really horrific cases of child
view just skyrocket. So, you know, I became very
familiar with the sound a mother makes when you tell her that her
kid is dead. Because these kids, usually
there's the signs of abuse are picked up in society, at school,
right in, in public. But when when there's no
opportunity for that, the abuse just continued.
So, So I was seeing this, this, you know, epidemic of abuse
unfolding, and it was horrifying and and no one was doing
anything about it. And then when I thought that it
couldn't get worse, right? The ideology had just
proliferated in the entire medical establishment.
It had silenced every voice that I thought had a responsibility
to do something about it. And when I thought it couldn't
get worse, you see this transgender ideology start
blossoming. Can you can you flesh out?
I don't want to derail you, but I want to know what you mean
specifically. What kind of abuse are we
talking about? Are they physical, sexual,
psychological. Whatever.
Everything, everything. There was one girl.
Because kids aren't in school, They're kept at home.
And when kids are kept at home in these, you know, situations
where there's a lot of turmoil within the family, a lot of
times there was one kid who would be chosen as like the the
rag doll. That was a common pattern that
we would see. There was one kid that would get
beaten up on. There was this one girl who came
in and she looked like she, she was maybe 7 years old, but she
was really 12. And the reason is because she
was so malnourished. And, you know, her blood counts
were so low that we thought she had leukemia.
But it, again, it was because she was malnourished.
And the reason she came in is because she was missing her
thumb. Her thumb was hanging off, just
buy a little piece of skin and started getting started to get
infected. And the reason is because her
parents were putting her fingers into a fan and chopping off all
of her fingers and most of them had already been amputated.
But her thumb was partially amputated and it was just
hanging on by a piece of skin. And you know, this is the type
of things we would see during the lockdown.
And this was, these were all measures for a virus that had
essentially 0 risk to this population.
So and and then and then you go into the room a couple days
later and the parents are in the room, right.
And CPS doesn't do anything, right.
So you see this breakdown of our institution to every level.
But then also I see it myself because you know, I pushed back
in every way possible, you know, but we had no opportunities, you
know, we had no power as resident.
You know there were a couple times where you know my
contract, it was threatened that it would be terminated because
you would have trauma patients come in getting shot and the
first thing they would do is put a mask on and which is crazy
because you know, you know someone gets shot, you won't put
a mask on, right, because they have to breathe.
So it I started to realize very slowly that no one else is going
to do this, that it's my responsibility because there's
no one else coming. No one else is going to stand up
for these people. No one else is going to to make
a statement and and say what's true because everyone's too
scared. So once I made the realization
that no one else is going to do it, I I do it myself.
So that's when types of children came along can.
We talk about the conversations you had at home.
I know that moment when you're going, you know who's going to
fix this? And and I think, and This is why
I keep I, I reference Isaiah 68 all the time about, you know,
God says who shall I send. And and Isaiah says here I am,
which is just a it's an availability statement.
It says I'm available for tasking.
What am I being asked to do? And when you have that
realization that like here I am, I'm being asked, it's not a good
feeling. It's not it's actually
horrifying. And you got to talk to, you got
to talk to your spouse about it, or you got to talk to to your
loved ones and kind of work that out.
It was and it was terrifying. So and just to give a little
background for that answer, so during our residency, you know,
the five years that we're training, the main institution
we train at is Baylor College Medicine.
But the hospitals that we rotate at, there's a number of them.
So we would rotate at Ben Taub General Hospital, which was the
County Hospital, which is where we would see all the trauma.
We would rotate at the VA and then at Saint Luke's where we
did the cancer surgeries and a lot of general surgery.
But one of the hospitals we spent the most time at was Texas
Children's Hospital, which is the biggest Children's Hospital
in the world, one of the most prestigious.
And it was around mid 2022 that I had been notified by one of my
Co residents that they had just inserted A puree blocking device
into, you know, a pre adolescent child.
You know, this person told me about how this child had all
these psychiatric issues that were being unaddressed.
And over the next couple of weeks more and more people
started telling me about how they were doing these
procedures. Why are they telling why?
Are they telling you? Because it was, it was people
who other other people who knew it was crazy but and they wanted
someone to confide in. But even with that, they still
did a procedure which you know they were kind of put into that
situation. But it was when I and I didn't
know Texas children had this transgender program.
I had no idea. Because you imagine this thing
happening in California or Seattle, but definitely not in
Texas. So.
It was. I started looking into it and I
looked online. Of course, the first thing
you're going to do is try to Google it, see if you can find
any information about the program.
And there was no indication that the program existed online.
And I'm like, that's weird because every program at Texas
children, you know, they treat the rarest diseases, All of them
have a web page. And it makes sense because you
have to schedule appointments. You have to find out who the
doctors are, and there was no indication that the transgender
program existed. I started doing a little bit
more digging and I found a statement from March of 2022
where the hospital had unequivocally said that they
were shutting down the transgender program because of
the legal risk. And I want to highlight one
important point. They had said they were shutting
down the program because of the legal risk.
So they acknowledged that there was a risk of criminal conduct,
right. And the reason they released
that statement was because a few weeks before that, the Texas
Attorney General, Ken Paxton had issued a opinion saying that
these interventions could be investigated as child abuse.
So the hospital, it kind of makes sense that we released
this statement saying, you know what, we're shutting down the
program. We're not doing it anymore
because they want to cover cover themselves and they inherently
know that the people of Texas wouldn't support this kind of
thing. Parents wouldn't bring their
children to a hospital if they knew that this kind of thing was
happening. And.
And would it be fair to say to in your experience being around
doctors and and people working in the medical industry and
certainly was my case working as a paramedic, like fear of legal
action is massive. Like nobody wants to deal with
the litigious society. And I know doctors are
constantly worrying about whether or not they can afford
to pay their their insurance premiums about malpractice.
So if you're on the wrong side of the law, like, forget.
Like that's way worse than being on the wrong side of the
insurance company. Yeah, exactly.
And that's the thing, because for a doctor to have any legal
issues, especially criminal legal issues, is a major
problem. And for a hospital to be in that
situation is, is is like an institutional defining event
that can destroy an institution, right.
And especially because tech children is an amazing hospital.
I mean, one of the best hospitals I've ever worked at.
They do great work, but had been taken over by this ideology in
their leadership. So it, you know, a light bulb
kind of went off, right? But it was slow.
I thought, Is the largest Children's Hospital in the world
lying to the public about the existence of the trans, their
transgender program? Did they tell the public that
they were shutting down the program when in actuality,
behind closed doors, they had continued it and only expanded
the scope of its practice? Like I didn't think it was
possible for the hospital to make such an insane decision
because when they released that statement, released that
statement in March 2022, that had to have been feared by every
level of the hospital, the chief legal counsel, the CEO.
So then and also I'm going to answer your question when you've
had about like that fear of of you know the responsibility.
So a few months go by and more and more people start telling me
that these procedures are being done and the horror stories just
start piling up. Where you have young kids who
are saying that you know they want to have more surgery in the
future where you know they don't want to have kids.
They they, they firmly believe they're going to live as
transgender for the rest of their lives.
But these are 1112 year old kids who are being put on puberty
blockers. Their entire life is going to be
changed. But then in January of 2023, to
seven months after that statement, there was a zoom
conference with members of the transgender clinic and like a
group of 150 medical students. And they would talk about how
they were running this active clinic, how they would blackmail
the parents with this lie that either you're going to have a
living son or a dead daughter. How?
But there was even one social worker who said in order to
avoid scrutiny from governing medical bodies, he wouldn't
write down, she wouldn't document the consult to the
clinic, she would call them. So, like in medicine, that's
insane. Like you're admitting how you're
feeling, what you're doing from governing medical authorities
and it's and it it's just unbelievable that she would say
that. It's also and, and this was the
social worker you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah. And I have to imagine that the
social workers have the same sort of requirements that
medical practitioners do from the lowest level tech all the
way up to whoever the head of surgery is, is that if it's not
written down, then we can't say that it happened, we haven't
documented it, it's not going to be written down, then we don't
know that it happened. It's like, oh, I I took vitals
in this time. Really, where are they?
Because then you didn't. Because I don't have them.
Yeah, so. So it's one of our absolute
primary responsibilities, the importance of it to not be
overstated. I mean that is the way in which
we communicate, the way in which we document everything, you
know, support our diagnosis, everything.
And for her to be like, Oh well, you know what we just in order
to avoid scrutiny, we just call them instead of.
Write them. And isn't that an an admission
of wrongdoing as well, like from your from your listening
position? It would be of my opinion that
that constitutes potential criminal misconduct.
It's the same thing as someone saying, hey, you know, we're
we're conspiring to do this thing, so make sure we use
these, these apps or whatever it is so we can we can hide what
we're saying so we can keep it away from prying eyes because
we're going to do something illegal.
Yeah, and this is just behind closed doors, but this is a
publicly available Zoom conference they're having with
150 medical students. You know, we had heard about it,
so we had recorded the Zoom conference, right.
But then also the directories of the program, The program, which
supposedly does not exist, were given the opportunity to speak
at the hospital's most prestigious lecture theory.
Only two weeks before that. And I watched the lecture and
it's like, Oh my God, like here they are talking about like
their algorithmic approach in treating all these pre
adolescent kids who are confused and troubled with Uri blockers
and hormones. And they were advising
pediatricians to ask about gender identity behind the backs
of their parents. And if you're just an average
person from Houston and you bring your kid into the
hospital, your work is under the assumption that this doesn't
happen. This program doesn't exist.
So it was at that point that I realized the largest Children's
Hospital in the world was lying to the public about a program
that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing
confused, troubled, free adolescent, adolescent children.
And at that point, I knew I had a responsibility to do
something. How did you feel about having to
take that burden on? Yeah, it was terrifying because
it was those conversations you have with your wife.
To go back to your original question where you think it are,
we am I really going to do what I think I should do?
Because I saw how my moral code was challenged during COVID,
where I knew no one was going to stand up for what was right.
If you don't do it yourself, you always expect other people to do
it. But you have a responsibility to
your future children, right? And I just found out my wife
pregnant. Like, you know, a few weeks ago
we just found out some girl. And it's amazing.
But, you know, there comes a time where you have to be
willing to sacrifice everything because I wouldn't be able to
look at myself in the mirror if I didn't speak out.
Because when you boil this down to the most basic sense, what
this is, is child abuse. And as a doctor, I have a
professional responsibility to report child abuse.
But I also have a moral responsibility as an individual
to make sure that this does not persist, that these kids are
not, you know, medically altered in a way that's going to take
away their opportunity to have filtering in the future there
to, you know, where they're they're unable to have normal,
sexual, meaningful relationships and think about how much you
love your children, how much you love your wife.
And there's nothing more than that.
Right? And we're taking that away from
these kids when they're at least able to understand the
consequences. So yeah, it's terrifying.
But then once you understand what's at risk that these kids
are being harmed, it becomes very easy.
At some point it becomes it became really easy to know what
was the right thing to do. My buddy Steve Friends says it's
not easy, but it's simple that you you may adopt that
terminology as well. We've all kind of walked down
that line where you say that that decision is hard and it and
the other thing that I think is interesting because I I don't
know anybody that's been something happened and they were
like, no, they threw the flag down and they said this is where
I stopped. Usually it's multiple pushes.
I don't think God expects us to be able to get it right, right
away. And so you get challenged and
you realize like, oh, that that's not how I want to respond
to this. I always say prepare or repair.
I talk about that in my advertisement.
But I also talk about that in our lives.
If you haven't prepared to experience this thing and most
people have never been challenged, the way that you're
talking about the way that I was my buddies are, you haven't
really set yourself up to be able to know, hey, you're going
to throw the fastball and I'm going to knock it out of the
park. And you got a second shot at it
like we often do. We're often challenged twice.
And by the way, massive congratulations on on a a new
baby coming to the world. I see.
If you're having a girl, then you're in the same boat that I
am. I got three of them.
So I think men who have a bunch of daughters probably have some
sins to pay for in their life. They have to go back and do a
good job as dad, as a girl dad. So that's really exciting.
I look forward to trading some stories about that when you guys
get closer. Yeah.
What was your first action? Now that you've kind of
determined what that path looks like, where do you go?
So it was January 2023 and I was going into my last year, last
couple of months of surgical residency.
So, you know, I had a job lined up everything, you know, I was
getting ready to graduate six months from that point.
But so I started reaching out to journalists and I didn't know
anyone. I mean I was, I was not
connected to any conservative circle.
I mean I was just a random surgical resident in Houston,
TX. So of course the only place to
start was was just hold sending, sending emails to journalists.
And I would just send dozens and dozens over months.
And you know, all the organizations that you think
would be interested in a story like this either didn't believe
it or or thought I was lying to him because the story itself is
kind of absurd, right. It's almost hard to believe that
the biggest Children's Hospital in the world is lying about this
program and it it's going at every level of the hospital.
So I was just persistent at the last minute when I was going to
give up. This was May, after five months
of being rejected, either because people thought it was
too controversial or they didn't believe me, I finally got a hold
of Christopher Ruffo's team in mid-May of 2023, and he was
interested in the story. He understood the importance of
it. And for anyone who's not
familiar, Christopher Ruffo is the conservative journalist
who's done a lot of work on DEI. And he released this story with
Claudine Gay that eventually got fired.
I mean, he's a brilliant journalist and he knew the
importance of it, but he also knew that there was something
coming up in the Texas Senate that I had no idea about.
So it, you know, kind of like what you were talking about,
like the the, the divine provenance that you don't
proceed, but it happens when you fulfill the covenant, right,
when when you act in the way that religious scripture
dictates. So the week later, the week, you
know, maybe a week. And 1/2 after I got in touch
with him, the Texas Senate was voting on a bill, SB14, which
would ban all of these interventions in children.
So hormones, puberty blockers for children under 18 with
gender dysphoria. And so he knew that there was a
lot online. So if we release this story in
time, we would be able to have an effect on the Texas Senate
and that people who may not vote in favor of it would vote in
favor. So we go through the
verification process, make sure that everything's buttoned up,
that I am who I say I am, and I'm providing reasonable,
credible information. We get the story out on May
16th, 2023, all over the big headlines.
And in the story I just served as the anonymous whistleblower,
so no one knows who I am. I'm just completely anonymous.
And the next day, Texas had voted on SB14 and the story did
exactly what we hoped it would. The laws got passed with
bipartisan support and there were multiple Democrats who
voted in favor of it. Because the story came out the
day before because many people didn't even know this was
happening in their district. And the reason I know that is
because I, I met the guy who wrote the law, you know, and he
told me it it was amazing. His name is Tom Oliver.
He's a Texas senator. He's he's a amazing, amazing
guy. And you know, or or the story
was handed out paper copies to every member of the Texas Senate
the day of the vote. So, yeah.
So it it had a really big impact.
You're anonymous at that time. Let's talk about moving into the
light. It's a weird experience as well.
It's another scary sort of option.
What made you decide to to to be public about it?
Yeah. So you know a few other things
that happened after the initial story came out.
Another whistleblower came out from Texas children.
It was someone who had worked with these doctors who who
described the horrors of seeing how these kids were playing on
blockers after 20-30 minute conversations, how he didn't
understand the risk and then so that was huge too.
That was like 3 days after then the Texas Attorney General
announced an investigation and then into the hospital.
And then the CEO for the second time in 14 months says that he
is shutting down the program in accordance with the law.
So Fast forward a month, June of 2023, it's the day of my
graduation from Churchill residency.
So the one of the most important days of my life, right?
You sacrifice all this time, all this effort and you're
graduating. So it's a Friday early
afternoon, my family's in town and we're getting ready for the
ceremony later that night and all of a sudden I get an
aggressive knock on the door and kind of odd, right?
Didn't didn't really expect a knock on the door like that day,
you know, that time. So I shuffle over.
I open the door. Standing outside are two federal
agents with Health and Human Services.
They show me their badges and tell me that they're
investigating the case regarding medical records.
So, you know, in the in that moment, everything kind of shuts
down. You just breathe.
You don't know what to do. And my mind went blank.
But, like, there was a part of me that knew exactly what was
happening. Like, we had found the dominant
political ideology a month before, right?
Like, if doctors know they can blow the whistle anonymously,
imagine how how many other people would do the same thing
and how many other people would be inspired to speak out.
Because that's what happened. And there was someone else
within a few days who spoke out Chris Garuffo in another story
about the same thing. So we knew they were there to
make an example out of me. But of course, like, you're not
thinking about any of that in that moment, So I just invite
him in, you know, right. The doorway.
The doorway was very awkward And we sit down and they want to do
an interview. So they set up a tripod.
And I'm like, oh shit, maybe not the best thing, but my wife
comes out. She was getting ready as well.
And an important part she was a undergoing a federal background
check that she had been hired as a assistant US attorney in the
Northern District of Texas and but but we had not told them at
this time. It plays an important role in
the story later but if he sits down we look at each other and
then we go back to our bedroom and we both know that talking to
them was not the right idea was not the right thing to do right
because we knew what they were there for.
They were not there to to pursue justice.
They were there to silence me as a whistleblower and and to
punish me for for speaking out. Let's let's just hold on that
for one moment because it's so critical that we convey this
point to people and how blessed and and fortunate you are to
have had a spouse who knows that because you're married to an
attorney. And the other thing is, is that
your your examination of conscience had already been done
and you already knew it was at risk.
Many people do not. They get themselves in a lot of
trouble because they just want to.
They're just going to straighten this out.
You know, there's there's plenty of comedians that talk about
that moment. You sit down and I'm just going
to straighten it out with the cops.
It's like you're going to do 20 to life.
I don't even know what you did, but they're going to find it.
These guys were not there to administer justice because you
had done nothing wrong. Yeah, yeah.
And that's The thing is, like, you know, there's this part of
you that things like, oh, you know what, I'll just talk to
them and we'll kind of iron everything out, explain my side
of the story. But people don't realize that
when you're interacting with the corrupted Department of Justice,
people believe that they're innocent is their best defense
that ultimately they will become vindicated.
But they don't realize that when it's corrupted, it is because
they're innocent, because they were virtuous that they're being
targeted in the 1st place. So I kind of knew that going
into it. I knew that that was a
possibility. So in that moment, right, it it
was those instincts that that kicked in.
So, you know, we we tell the agents that, you know, we would
not speak with them without attorney presence.
And they're like, OK, no problem.
But before they leave, they hand me a target letter.
And this is just a piece of paper that had informed me that
I was a potential target of a criminal investigation.
And it was signed by a assistant US attorney with the United
States Department of Justice. This assistant US Attorney was
in the Southern District of Texas, which is the same
position as my wife who was in the Northern District of Texas.
And then a few minutes after the door opens, right, the door
closes. Agents are gone.
We had that decision to make. You know, do we fight or or do
we stay silent, right? Do we try to comply?
And we knew that like they were there because they were, they
want to intimidate. They want to instill fear.
They want me to comply with this phony bogus investigation.
We knew they went to challenge me as a whistleblower and what
their intentions were. But you know, as they have come
to find out, they had knocked on the wrong door.
Because that day we decided to fight and we would sacrifice
everything we have. Everything.
My freedom, our finances, our employment, everything to do the
right thing. They miscalculate this a lot.
They are used to people doing exactly what happened during
that COVID lockdown where everybody whispered in the
corner that East German sort of mentality that many of us talked
about or that we all kind of saw.
You can go further back it. It's the story of the ordinary
men during the Holocaust who just hey man, I'm not the one
putting the canister in. I just put people on a train.
I don't know what happens after that.
The fact that they never come home is not my business.
That ordinary men mentality where I'm just following orders
and and those and those agents, you know, they're complicit in
it. Whether they know that they were
doing something wrong or not. They may not.
They may have thought they were doing the right thing because
you are a medical records violator they thought and so
they're out there doing their job and no one knows knows, but
we know we know how it works when you look at the bigger
scope. So you guys have this moment,
you've decided wrong door, we're going to put it all on the line.
What's your next step? Yes.
So the next step that day was, you know, we get in touch with
Ruffo who puts us in contact with our attorney.
Her name is Marcella Burke and she's, she's a character.
I mean she's a really, really big personality.
So she is this attorney who is really well connected in the
conservative movement because she has a very strong athletic
foundation. So, and she's also a fighter.
And she had left big law a position as a partner in Big Law
making seven figures because she didn't want to put pronouns in
her bio. So she had LED this exodus of
other conservative attorneys to start her own law firm.
And then a couple of minutes after we talked to Rupo, we're
on the phone with this attorney, Marcella Burke.
And and we realized that, you know, she's like this, this
strict Catholic rosary in one hand, middle finger in the other
Bulldogs and attorney where like, you know, she's the right
person. But then, you know, of course
afterwards so. So we're going to hire her as
our our representation. So, you know, so that day we we
opened up two balls of champagne, you know, sat on our
patio played like, you know this old Vietnam War music and then
planned our war strategy. But and then we went to my
graduation and celebrated with my family and then everyone I
had trained with. But to answer, to go back to
your question about why I decide to go public, the reason is
because of our interactions with the Department of Justice over
the next couple of months. Because you know, you're not
really sure what to do. Like like how aggressive do I
want to be, you know, in in this whole thing because you
understand there's so much at stake and I can lose everything.
So, you know, brave words are always possible in the moment,
but the next morning and the morning after that becomes much
more difficult. But then after interacting with
the Department of Justice, we knew what the right decision
was. And my attorneys hadn't even
blown the whistle themselves after their communications with
the assistant US Attorney. This is detailed in a letter
that my attorneys had sent Congress.
So anyone can look at it and see what the misconduct was.
And so that's that's what I'm going to discuss is that letter.
And the reason is because if I talk about my communication with
my attorney, that would violate attorney-client privilege.
But because this letter exists, it's public, you know, I can
address that. And what we had, what I had
experienced was my attorneys have reached out to the
prosecutor. And the letter demonstrates that
you know the first conversation with this attorney in the
Southern District of Texas. He didn't even know the details
of the case before sending the agent to my apartment before
initiating the investigation, right?
And did it start with DOJ, or did it start with those Health
and Human Services agents? In other words, agents can
initiate an investigation on their own. the United States
Attorney's Office can also request an investigation, which
doesn't have to get picked up. Do you know where it started?
Most I would say most likely Health and Human Services.
It would be my opinion that that's where it started.
And they just used her as the source to through the Department
of Justice to initiate the investigation.
But she had no idea what anything was about, right?
She didn't know anything about the case, about the details,
about what was even being alleged.
She didn't know what statutes were being investigated.
And it's like it's like investigating a murder case
without checking to see if the person's still alive, right?
It's crazy. So even though she didn't know
any details about the case, they did enough research, either her
or the agent, to find out that my wife was undergoing a
background check as to to for her job as an assistant
attorney, attorney. Because during one of those
conversations, the prosecutor had mentioned that, you know, my
wife Andrea, she's not going to have any problems with the
background check unless she starts to become difficult.
Oh, like the mob deals with people?
Yeah. Yeah.
Nice business. Nice little background check you
got going on there. I'd hate to have it be a problem
by you getting too involved in what's going on with your
husband's business. Yeah.
So. And what she was referring to
was my wife encouraging me to use a constitutional right.
And it didn't appear to me that using my constitutional right
would be, you know, interfering with an investigation.
So a couple months go by and then the details of this letter,
you know, explain and illuminate the misconduct and the abuse
from this prosecutor. And he had mentioned that I had
no right to blow the whistle as a doctor, that if I had a
problem with what was going on, I should have just stood on the
sidewalk with a sign, right. That's not my job as a surgeon
to report child abuse, right? That that I have no
responsibility. She had mentioned that she would
pursue this investigation, she would take it to court, to a
jury, right, to a jury trial, even if she was confident that
they were going to lose. And the implication being is
just to make my name public, to make us, you know, to to to
deplete all of our financial resources and that other people
can bring lawsuits against me. So the the list goes on.
There's about 15 points where it outlined this profound abuse
from the prosecutor's office. And it was after a couple of
months that he had this accumulation of experiences that
you realize like we're going to get destroyed if we keep this
behind closed doors because that's the territory that they
operate on, right? That's where they succeed
because if if anyone hears about what's happening, the corruption
become self-evident. So, yeah, so that's why in
January of 2024, I decided to take the the story public with
Christopher Ruffo I want. To put your your give, send go
up real quick folks that this resonates with.
There are many of you that are parents that know what is at
stake. If the institutions that we have
to bring our children to are not outed for doing corrupt and evil
practices, you can check out the gifts and go.
We're going to have that in the show notes.
But I want you guys to see what it looks like so you know you're
at the right page. It's a legal defense fund for
surgeon, whistleblower, that's what you're going to see there.
And that money which you guys have raised, $218,000, I'm sure
will get eaten up very easily in legal fees because you're
defending yourself. But you're also defending the
process of bringing the story against a corrupt DOJ.
Go figure. Me and my buddies know a little
something about this corruption. How crazy that she decided to
come in and threaten you, threaten your wife's career and
then suggest we we just saw this not too long ago.
They won't press charge against Joe Biden, even though he had
classified documents, because he's an elderly old man.
And they wouldn't be able to put a jury involved.
The jury wouldn't be able to convict him.
And they said even if we couldn't convict you, we're
going to bring it because we want to just make sure, you
know, the process is the punishment.
That's what we're about in the DOJ and.
And it would also the, the and I understood that this was an
important precedent that because if they can silence me as a
whistleblower, then any other doctor or nurse or healthcare
professional who sees this kind of thing happening in their
hospital and decides to blow the whistle.
They know that they would be targeted and destroyed by the
federal government if if I didn't do anything about it.
So I knew that there was a lot on the line that if they are
allowed to get away with it, there's no other opportunity for
other doctors or nurses to blow the whistle.
So this is like the last chance to maintain accountability
within the healthcare system and especially out over the last
couple of years. We know that it's more important
now than ever. And but also about that legal
fund, I, I would say it's a little bit different because we
knew that like in my case, like if I just put my name out there
and just talk about this abuse, right, Talk about the misconduct
at this prosecutor's office, you know, just talking about is
meaningless. What we have to do is achieve
consequences and accountability. So it's less of a legal defense
fund. I would say equally illegal
offense funds because that's what we're doing, right.
We are pursuing every route possible in order to hold.
Her. And all of these individuals
accountable, including Health and Human Services.
And the first step in that was that the letter that we had sent
to Congress to Jim Jordan's committee, I'm sure you're very
familiar with that too in order to initiate the process of
investigation. And we're hoping that that it'll
come too. But then also, you know, working
on writing amicus briefs for other challenges to state that
path laws banning these interventions.
You know, so myself and my attorneys have written a couple
of briefs supporting these bans and we've kind of done it
underground during a couple of months when I was still
anonymous. But we knew that it was
important as much to do that as anything else because if we
don't go fully on the offense, then I'm just going to be
destroyed. There's no, right?
That's that's what would happen. You're correct.
My buddy George Hill says this is a fight for our lives and in
many different fields, whether you're fighting the institution
of HHS or DOJ or, you know, a lot of these other institutions.
And if you are not constantly putting your opponent back on
the mat, then they're going to get their footing and they're
going to level you because they got a lot bigger hammer than you
than you do. And so I applaud that you just
have that that fight instinct. I love that you guys knew from
the minute that it was that it was go time.
It was time to get on what I want to focus on.
And as kind of a conclusion, at least for this particular, and
you're welcome to come back anytime and chat with me because
I enjoy it a lot, 2 things, #1 let's let's do professionally
where you're at right now and the reception that your employer
that your eventual employer, because you had a contract to go
work. And then let's talk a little
personal, let's talk gun stuff at the end here, we'll wrap up
with that sort of thought cause 'cause I think people will get a
kick out of it. You are just a regular, like
you. You've said a regular guy a
number of times, but you and I viable on a bunch of levels.
So let's talk about your employer.
You had a contract. You had some agents knock on
your door. What's your employer say about
you coming to work for them after all this stuff?
You know, I want to get too much into it because, you know, they
can speak for themselves. But I'll just say that I work
with really, really amazing people, people who care so much
about the doctor patient relationship and what we would
consider true medical ethics. So I'm a general surgeon.
I have a busy practice. I was operating a lot this week.
You know, last week I was in clinic 2 hours before, You know,
I was on this podcast. So I'm a busy journal surgeon in
a really small town outside of Dallas.
And I would say the biggest way it's impacted my work is, you
know I'll get dozens of letters in the mail on my office every
day for people who who say thank you for for standing up.
And you know I I feel so humbled every single day to to have
people do that because I feel like my I I am unworthy of it
because you know I'm just a regular person.
But it it means so much especially for the people who
have donated on the gifts and go because if but yeah that's
primary way, primary way it's been impacted and yeah I'm still
operating still busy. Yeah.
So broadly speaking, would it be fair to say that?
Your employer is comfortable with the stance that you took,
Yeah, I would say. That yes, your job is not a
major for your actions, yeah. Yeah, the, the.
Especially when you get out of the academic Medical Center, you
get small town America. You realize that doctors and and
the even administrations of hospitals in small towns are
horrified, absolutely horrified by what is happening.
Absolutely horrified. And they understand that And I'm
not talking about my hospital but broadly that that there has
to be a response that people have to do something and that if
we don't we're going to lose our profession.
Right. If if people like me don't stand
up and then there's going to be no profession in my field room
one day I just have this word, Amen kind of echoing in my head.
Right now. So I'll say that let's this is a
stressful thing to do. It's a stressful time to be
alive for everybody in a lot of ways because of what's going on,
but very stressful to be a whistleblower, to know that your
professional career's in jeopardy and that the DOJ is
bringing its ugly head to bear on your life.
What are you doing to blow off steam?
How do you how do you how do you breathe a little easy.
Are you a bourbon drinker? You know let's give me, give me
some some personal things that that gets you detoxed as you
guys look towards adding more stress in a baby that doesn't
let you sleep. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's true. I.
I would say two primary things. I well, three.
I love reading, love reading and so I try to go through a couple
books every month. I play a lot of music.
I've I've played guitar for years and and just privately,
you know, but then also gone. I mean, that's.
I mean, truly, I don't know how that came up in our first
conversation, but it came up out of nowhere.
Yeah, it does. Building them.
I love shooting them. I.
Love looking at them. It's like because once you kind
of start going down that rabbit hole, it's just such an amazing
thing because you realize that you have these tools which are
not meant for harm but are meant to protect the people you love
the most. And you see how with the Second
Amendment that this is not just some active amendment to our,
you know, in our country, right. This is not something that we
just say, but something we have to live.
So, you know, I bought my first gun in June of 2020, you know,
when they were burning cars outside of my wife's apartment
in Houston during the during the BLM ride.
And I knew that I had to take on the responsibility as a husband
and as a protector in order to take care of the people I love
the most. And and that's going to be my
wife and my future daughter. So ever since then, you know,
it's building, building rifles, shooting rifles.
I just got, you know, my a thermal optic.
So looking forward to going hunting soon at night, going to
knockout some coyotes or something.
Or some pigs, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got ATN four or
five. And yeah, it's beautiful.
Are you on the, did you say east or West of Dallas?
East of Dallas, OK, I got. Some friends that are West of.
Fort Worth, I may talk to you. They've they've got some pigs
that might need some killing if you got the tools for it.
So we'll we'll discuss that. We'll discuss that at a later
date, give you some some kind of moments to clear your head.
By the way, if you've never been to Texas people and you don't
know about the hog problem we have here, there are feral hogs
that run around and they destroy things and they need to be
killed. They need to be eradicated and
nobody feels bad about putting them down.
So that's what we're talking about here.
Yeah, that's it's so interesting that these things align.
I don't know how we landed on guns when we first started
talking, but the the instinct towards freedom and defense, do
you have any formal training that you've gone through?
Have you gone through any courses?
Yeah, a couple. Yeah.
I I think training is an important thing.
Because you know, not only it's about like pulling the trigger
and you know, seeing a bullet go down range and hit target, but
it's about knowing how to handle it, how to keep it safe, how to
reload it, how to. But also to having your pro on,
you know, your equipment, your your plate carrier, but then
making sure that your rifle is set up in a way to be
comfortable and be usable when the moment's necessary.
Because you know, if you have a rifle that's not zero to 100
yards and you can't judge where that zero is, if you're shooting
at 10 or 25 yards and that becomes oily, you have to be
able to not only do it yourself, but communicate to other people,
right? Like like 100 yards, right?
It's, it's the reticle is going to be on the target, right?
If it's a little bit closer than a little bit above, right, a
couple of inches above. But I think there's something
brilliant about shooting firearms and then, you know,
surgery because it's all about precision, accuracy, right?
Where when you shoot a rifle, you have so many things that go
into pulling the trigger. You know the the setup of the
rifle, how you position it, how you breathe, how you think.
And then when you pull the trigger, you hope that round
will go downstream and then hit the target where you want.
And when you're accurate, that bullet will go exactly where you
hope it will. And in life and in surgery,
that's what we do as well, right?
When you implement a treatment, when you operate on someone, you
hope that you are identifying a problem in that every move you
make with your hand is going to go towards solving and treating
that pathology. So accuracy and precision is
kind of embedded into our core as a surgeon.
And when I picked up shooting and and firearms, you realize
that it's the exact same way and like just like we have to
protect patients, right? You have to protect your family
and and. Your community with, with your
firearm, very well said. I'm going to give you.
A chance to plug the social that you'd like people to go.
I I pulled it up on the screen here so I'll give you a chance
to to tell people where to follow you at and and what sort
of messages of hope they can send you or if they want to send
you you know hate mail or whatever.
There's not not from this podcast they won't happen I'll
throw it on the screen. Not much hate mail.
I've only gotten like like 2 emails.
Which is surprising. But yeah, you got to step up
that game. Those are rookie numbers.
I like getting the angry. Ones Yeah, yeah.
I think those are kind of entertaining, but.
So if anyone wants to donate, they can go to
giftsandgo.com/texas. And the important thing for
people to know is that this is not only a legal defense fund
fund, but a offense fund. Because our goal is to hold
these people accountable as much as possible.
But but the way we mean that is in the most severe way possible,
right through legal processes and then on Twitter.
That's the only thing I have. I never had social media before
that, which is, you know, a good thing.
But it's at A Ton Heim on Twitter, and that is spelled out
EI. THAN and then the second.
Is. Haim, Did I get it right, Doc?
Yes, Sir. That'll be in.
The show description folks if you want to follow.
And you should keep track of this.
If this is a passion of yours, which protecting children should
be all of our passion in Western civilization.
Another warrior in there. Will you come?
If we do a suspendable shoot of a bunch of my guys, the
whistleblower team coming out and doing some shooting, will
you come shoot with us? Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. OK, We're going to do some
tactics. We're going to.
Try to shoot some pigs, we're going to try to figure.
It out. I don't know when it's going to
happen, but when it does, we'll make it happen.
We'll do the Tannerite and the Hog trick, right?
Will you will you tell that you you got to tell the story before
we wrap? Up then, yeah, yeah.
So you know the called the Tannerite.
And the hog trick, right? So you know you have someone
who's the new shooter and I take him out hog hunting, and you
kill a hog beforehand, but you fill it with Tannerite and you
put it out maybe 50-50 yards. Something that a new shooter can
can hit easily and you set it up to where it looks like it's a
lie. So you tell a person to shoot
this hog, It's like their opportunity and and they shoot
it and the thing's going to explode.
So that's the tan, right, And the hog trick.
Whereas the person's fighting some freak out, you know,
shooting the hog for the first time and and not realizing
that's kind of full of bugs. They'll give you another,
they'll give you another trick. For new shooters.
It's very fun. Especially if you're in Texas,
the key is you need a revolver in either 357 or 44 mag, OK?
And either of those weapons will shoot either 38 Special or 44
special, right? They'll shoot a lighter load.
And so the key is, is that you take new shooters and then you
take your wife. It's probably not when she's
pregnant, but you take your wife and you have her show this
friend who's never shot before how to shoot the revolver with
the 44 Special or the 38 Special round.
So you're giving them, you're giving your wife the light load,
crack it back, fire it. Fire, fire, fire.
OK, Then you load it with a full power mag load and you give it
to your guy friend who thinks he's tough and let him watch it
just jump out of his hands And then and they won't know the
difference because they're new shooters.
They've never. Seen this before so.
Then you load it back up with specials.
You give it back to your wife. You're like, look, she's going
to show you how to do it. You're not controlling the
recoil very well, and she handles it no problem.
Then you load it with the full power and it's jumping out of
his hands. You just let him.
Wonder man really got to get better at this.
I did this with my wife from from New York when she was very
new at shooting and she made some some Brooklyn guys look
really bad. It was my favorite, favorite
little trick. That's one thing I cannot wait
to. Do There we go, Doc.
Thanks for joining me today. Appreciate it so much, folks.
You can follow. You can donate to the gifts and
go, and you can follow them on social media.
And I hope you'll come back. We'll talk again, especially if
there's any updates. When these evil people start.
They don't quit usually, so we'll be there.
All right. Thank you so much.
I appreciate you having me. On.
All right, brother. It's been my pleasure.
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