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Take a look behind the curtain 
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Prepare to embrace the 

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Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Serif. 
Hello my friends, and welcome to

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Kyle, Kyle, let's get started 
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I don't want to waste too much 
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I want to be respectful to our 
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We have Sarah Macabee on today. 
She is the oh, I had this in 

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front of me. 
Tell me you worked with the 

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Stand in the Gap Foundation and 
she is. 

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She is a wife of AJ6 Political 
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We're going to hear her story. 
And thanks so much for joining 

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me, Sarah. 
Thanks for having me on, Kyle. 

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It's my pleasure. 
So what we always do is we 

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always ask people to kind of 
tell us where they're from. 

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They're kind of life story up to
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If you would, can you tell me 
where you grew up and and kind 

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of catch me up from from zero to
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Yeah, for sure. 
I grew up half my life in East 

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Tennessee. 
It's where I met my husband. 

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We've been together for 14 
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He was a high. 
We were high school sweethearts.

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He played, went and played 
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got married and went into the 
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He was a law enforcement 
officer, and I worked in 

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corporate America as the vice 
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Everything seemed pretty normal.
We were a normal American family

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until about two years ago. 
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14 years ago, you said? 
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We've been together 14 years. 
Been together 14 years. 

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Married in 2016. 
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OK. 
I do the same thing with my 

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wife. 
We never know what year it is. 

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In fact, I've. 
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I've missed something like 8 out
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we have. 
You know that. 

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Goes. 
Yeah, yeah, no, no, that's 

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pretty normal. 
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on you're like, oh, this is so 
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stage and then it's like life 
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like, alright, I get to go to 
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we do life together. 
It's good. 

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That's right. 
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You do life and then you look 
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I think our anniversary was last
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I don't know how that happened. 
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No kids. 
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hard to say. 
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But at the same time, like our 
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drastically and we don't know 
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So it's like thankfully they're 
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what does the future look like? 
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Yeah, absolutely. 
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husband as a man. 
We're going to get into is Jay 

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six Storey as well. 
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man is he? 
You know, what if you were high 

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school sweethearts, you know 
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So tell me how he was when he 
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Yeah, so he was just your all 
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In high school he was involved 
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community activities. 
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sun and then he went off to 
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degree in business and then when
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that his heart was in law 
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He had done some programmes 
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Explorer Programme is what it 
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like he wanted to be a public 
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His heart was serving people. 
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I'm talking about January 6th 
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beside Rosanne Boylan and that's
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But when he was a law 
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life saving awards. 
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passed away in his arms, his 
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an inmate life. 
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who you would want to serve in 
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What do you think his his 
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public service? 
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but did he ever tell you what 
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Now, he's just always had a 
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Servant leadership is who he is.
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back and give it to anybody. 
That's just, you know, I've seen

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him give money out of his pocket
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people that he just felt in his 
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been very blessed in his life, 
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And so he's always willing to go
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He grew up as a wealthy guy. 
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He He grew up very poor, and so 
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aspect of his joy comes from 
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what he calls this the Lord's 
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of Jesus. 
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he's been so blessed. 
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He does God's work. 
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You've mentioned Jesus. 
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Christian faith in your life, in
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I don't know, to be honest with 
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I don't know how people do it 
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Life is very rough and and the 
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Christian or you're born again, 
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You actually become, you know, 
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But I think, you know, 
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America is right now and our 
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get through the day without 
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hope that things are going to 
change and we aren't of this 

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world, but we do have to partake
in it because we do live in this

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world. 
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Tell me about the mindset in 
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Let's say the COVID lockdowns. 
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through what your experience, 
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And then maybe as it came to the
decision time to go to 

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Washington, DC for. 
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Ronald. 
His middle. 

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What's his middle name? 
Colton. 

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And he goes by Colton. 
He goes by Colton, OK. 

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So yeah, tell me how your house 
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political and it actually 
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and and I just realised when I 
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started to watch different 
conspiracy videos. 

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I love conspiracies and I always
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than be blindsided if like the 
truth or anything like that were

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to come out. 
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thought conspiracies behind 
Sandy Hook and 9:11 and all 

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these things that just didn't 
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And so I was one person to 
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then my husband also being the 
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Not as much as me, but he also 
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value, right? 
And so then when COVID hit, we 

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were actually in Europe when 
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And so we had to get home on a 
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Like we had gotten home just 
hours before midnight had struck

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where we didn't really know what
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And they made it sound like it's
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monster. 
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people lying on the streets and 
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And then come to find out it was
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And so we came home. 
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industry, so concerts, Broadway 
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Reaching home really quickly. 
And so we realised that our life

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was going to change. 
Luckily, I stayed on for a 

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And then the Summer of Love came
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go to Atlanta because in the 
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Atlanta. 
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night, I said I don't want to 
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At the time he was 25. 
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don't want you to come home in a
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I don't want you to get in 
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and what you know, because he's 
the person that runs into 

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action. 
That's just what he was trained 

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to do. 
And so, you know, there was a 

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lot of things. 
There's actually a shooting that

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had happened with a cop in a 
Wendy's drive through in Atlanta

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during that time period and that
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even for just simply doing his 
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And so I was very fearful of 
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And then the election came and 
went and we knew that it was 

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stolen right from under us. 
And he felt in his heart that he

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needed to stand up. 
And he and he did that on 

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January 6th, and we can get into
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But unfortunately they came for 
him and that was my worst fear 

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when he was in the law. 
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doing his job and then to turn 
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And that's exactly what 
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What in your house, What were 
the discussions about a stolen 

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election? 
You said you knew it was right 

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away it was stolen. 
What sort of back and forth did 

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you guys have? 
Was there any, you know, debate 

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whether that was the case? 
No, it was just a lot of how can

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we continue to allow this to go 
on in America? 

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We knew how much hatred there 
was towards Trump and and we 

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didn't like Trump for like the 
person he was. 

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We didn't, we didn't mind that. 
But we liked him for his 

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policies and that he was an 
average American, that he wasn't

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a politician. 
He spoke the way the average 

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American spoke. 
He didn't mind calling people 

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out. 
And that's what we needed. 

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America is a business and it 
needed to be ran by a 

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businessman. 
And so the last four years of 

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her life were incredible. 
You know, gas and food. 

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And all these things that affect
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level, taxes and schools and all
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And then to have that just 
ripped away from us, We didn't 

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know what the future was going 
to look like from that point on.

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So I I remember that that 
shooting that happened in the 

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Wendy's drive through as well. 
And I remember seeing it right 

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at the time I was working for 
the FBI and it scared the heck 

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out of me in the way. 
It probably scares all law 

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enforcement officers who are 
doing the right thing, who see 

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someone steal a Taser and run 
off and then you got to do what 

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you got to do, which is, you 
know, they made that decision. 

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I feel like. 
Did your husband ever talk about

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deadly force scenarios? 
Did you guys ever discuss, you 

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know, what it would look like if
he had to do something like 

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that? 
That was your big fear? 

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No, I'm not somebody that lives 
in fear. 

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And so I never, like, we never 
breached that conversation of, 

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oh, what would happen if you 
ended up in gaol, right, Because

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I just never thought I knew 
there were bad people in this 

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world and there were bad things 
that could happen. 

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I just never thought they would 
happen to us. 

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It makes sense. 
It's it's a really difficult 

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thing to see if you live in that
world. 

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My wife and I have that 
conversation on the on the 

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regular turns out now and and I 
think people like you and and 

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Colton kind of are the example 
of what we have to look at, 

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right. 
So let's talk about the mindset.

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He went to the protest at 
January 6th. 

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This would be right after the 
end of 2020 were you there as 

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well. 
I was not. 

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I was at home and what what 
drove him to go there? 

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Well, actually it was a friend 
at the time that had asked him 

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to go with him. 
He was actually in a car 

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accident 9 days prior where he 
rolled his truck 12 times. 

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Only by the grace of God did he 
live through that. 

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So that's how he was able to go 
because he was off work at the 

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time for that. 
And so seeing the videos, he's 

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holding his arm. 
He had broken his shoulder in 

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that car accident and so that 
was, I was nervous for him to 

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go, just simply for that reason 
of I knew how he was being a 

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cop. 
His back's always to the wall, 

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always reading the crowd. 
And with a broken shoulder and 

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being in in physical therapy for
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about his physical well being of
being there. 

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But I also trusted the person 
that he had went with which. 

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Turned out to be a not so good 
thing. 

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But you know, I believe 
everybody has consequences for 

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their actions, good or bad. 
And I think this has been a very

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telling time in our life and a 
lot of aspects. 

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Not only has our government been
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able to do to their own people, 
but the people in our lives as 

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well. 
So I've seen the video. 

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I know a lot of people probably 
have not. 

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I've probably seen more January 
6th stuff than than most. 

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Can you walk us through the 
story of what your husband got 

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involved in that day and what 
the allegations were against 

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him? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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So he's at the lower W Terrace 
tunnel and you see him off to 

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the side, He's just standing 
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There's a lot of chaos that is 
going on and he sees an officer 

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down on the ground and he has no
idea why that officer is down. 

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He just simply sees that one of 
his brothers is on the ground. 

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So he looks around and he says 
you have a man down and they're 

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not doing anything about it. 
And so he goes around the 

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barrier, goes to pick up this 
officer. 

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When he goes to pick up this 
officer, there's a a cop that 

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comes out and and strikes him 
with the baton across the ribs, 

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in the arm and. 
His broken shoulder and he pops 

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up and he throws his hands up 
simply open face palm and and he

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tells them I'm one of you, I'm 
helping you. 

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And he goes back down to pick up
this officer while Lila Morris 

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is beating Roseanne right off to
the side of him. 

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And so he's yelling at her stop 
killing that girl. 

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He's trying to help him in the 
officer fall down the stairs 

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together because another 
protester had got a hold of his 

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leg. 
The officers like so he's over 

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top of them for about 20 
seconds. 

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You can see he's not laying on 
him because you can see him on 

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the body camera and he's yelling
at the crowds. 

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Stop their crowds calling him a 
traitor. 

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Why are you helping him? 
And the officer says get off of 

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me. 
He says I'm one of you. 

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I'm helping you because I know, 
I know. 

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Help me up. 
He rolls him on his side, takes 

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him back up to the line of duty.
By that time, Rosanne Boylan's 

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body had been moved away from 
the officer that was hitting 

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her. 
He goes to find her looks 

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through a bag of medical 
supplies for a mouth to 

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mouthpiece the the crowd then 
decides to pick her body up, go 

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back to the line of duty, and 
when they get to the line of 

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duty he starts to give her chest
compressions and then he's 

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pulled off of her. 
As they drag her away and then 

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he standing there in such 
disbelief about what just 

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happened in front of him, he's 
holding his arm, his shoulders 

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hurt. 
And there's an officer that's 

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named Steven Sagemont that 
watched this entire thing go 

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down and he thanks him twice for
his help that day. 

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And then a couple of seconds 
later they start spraying it 

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with pepper spray. 
Since I'm not hurting anybody, 

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stop spraying me. 
The crowd comes up. 

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They are now super mad at the 
line of cops for doing what they

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had done to Roseanne. 
And he's just standing there 

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defenceless, holding his arm. 
He's in the in a defenceless 

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position. 
He has his hands up like this. 

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And the cop who had thanked him 
puts his arm around them, says I

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got you, man. 
And then the crowd kind of 

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disperses. 
A civilian comes up so he can go

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get help for his shoulder, and 
then that's it. 

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That whole thing lasts about 7 
minutes, 7 minutes of his life, 

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and then since then when was he 
arrested? 

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August 17th of 21, OK, so a 
couple of months afterwards, 

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eight months after this event, 
seven months after this event, 

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he's taken into custody. 
And has he been in custody since

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that time? 
Yes. 

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And where is he being held? 
Currently, he's being held in 

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DC, the DC Gulag. 
He has been moved seven times in

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six different facilities across 
America. 

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Talk to me about that a little 
bit. 

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Yeah. 
So when he was first 

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apprehended, there were no US 
Marshall holding facilities in 

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the state of Tennessee. 
So we actually went to Kentucky 

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while we were doing the bond 
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of Tennessee. 
And during that time period he 

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it was about a month that he was
held in Kentucky. 

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Then he went to Lexington, KY, 
where then he was flown from 

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Lexington to Atlanta to 
Oklahoma. 

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He was held in Oklahoma for a 
couple of weeks and then got 

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transferred to Washington DC. 
He was there for almost a year 

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and then he was assaulted while 
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And so their way of taking care 
of it was to kick him out of the

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facility. 
And so he went to two different 

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facilities in Virginia and then 
ended up just recently back in 

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April, they moved him back to 
Washington, DC What's the 

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experience when you guys talk, 
you know, his treatment and the 

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conditions and so on? 
Well, it's very nerve wracking 

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for him to be a cop and be on 
the other side of the wall. 

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So when he was everywhere except
for Washington, DC, he always 

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had to watch, watch his back 
sleep with one eye open. 

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And but when he's in Washington,
DC, all these guys are January 6

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people. 
And so they knew who he was 

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before he even went in there. 
And so he's, he's safe in there.

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And so for me that gives me 
Peace of Mind. 

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But like when he was in Oklahoma
waiting to be transferred, thank

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goodness it was the night that 
he was being transferred, but 

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they found out that he was a 
cop, and so he called my dad. 

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It was like his dad and my dad 
said, you just don't go to 

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sleep, son, You stay up. 
And then they ended up coming to

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get him a couple hours later. 
But there was no guard in that 

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pod. 
There was 30 men, you know, some

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waiting trials, some in there 
for murder, these terrible 

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heinous crimes. 
And yet now he's a cop that's on

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the other side. 
And so as you know, you know, 

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one of the things that they call
it is diesel therapy. 

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And I think that's a very real 
thing, especially for him. 

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Being a cop is constantly having
to be moved and watching his 

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back because he can't trust 
anybody that's on the other side

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of the wall. 
I'm just watching our live chat 

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right now and some people are 
not familiar with the story of 

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Roseanne Boylan, which I think 
plays into at least the area and

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what was happening at the time. 
Can you give people kind of a 

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primer on Roseanne story and 
what happened to her? 

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Yeah, so she was at the lower W 
Terrace tunnel as well. 

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She walked into the tunnel about
10 minutes before the entire 

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situation went down. 
And in the tunnel there were so 

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many people there was gasping, 
sprayed, and they had sprayed so

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much gas in the tunnel, it was 
literally like they had sucked 

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the air out and so there was a 
mass escapade to leave the 

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tunnel. 
And when they were doing that, 

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people were just falling on top 
of each other. 

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So there was a pile up of people
right before you got to the 

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stairs, whereas and Boylan being
one of the ones that was on the 

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bottom. 
Phillip Anderson being another 

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one and he was drugged out. 
Tommy Tatum was another one and 

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Rosanne Boylan was unconscious 
after so many people had been 

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lying on top of her and she was 
coughing and her friend was 

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yelling. 
She's dying, she's dying. 

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We need to get her out of here. 
And while she was down there, 

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people started to get off her. 
She was lying on the ground 

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unconscious, and Lila Morris 
took a stick that one of the 

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protesters had in the crowd and 
hit her three times over the 

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head and. 
I don't know if that's what 

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killed her, but I do believe it 
didn't help the situation. 

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And you could see when they 
brought her body back into the 

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capital, she did have bruises on
her face. 

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In the video, you can see her 
lying on the ground. 

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Her face is blue, her nose is 
bloody ear ears. 

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There's blood coming out of her 
ears. 

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And so, you know, as a trained 
officer, you're not, you're 

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you're trained to help people, 
right? 

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And so Lila Moore certainly 
didn't do that. 

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There was an unconscious unarmed
woman lying on the ground and 

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her objective was to beat her 
over the head. 

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You have any instinct why that 
was? 

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From hate, I believe, you know, 
it's like I think there I do 

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think a lot of people were set 
up that day and they were just 

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reacting. 
But I believe you have to take 

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personal responsibility for your
actions regardless. 

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If you felt like you were set up
that day and she wasn't hurting 

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anybody, there was no need for 
that sort of. 

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There was no use that there was 
no use of force continuum, 

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right. 
I mean, you could have yelled at

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her and she wouldn't have 
responded because she was lying 

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on the ground unconscious, but 
you don't jump to something as 

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beating her for not doing 
anything, you know, it's the 

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same thing like Michael. 
Or they just completely jump 

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their use of force continuum and
go to something as as deadly 

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weapons and and people died that
day because of that. 

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Let's talk about Colton's 
reaction when he got home. 

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That was probably a very chaotic
moment. 

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What was his trip from DC to 
home? 

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What was that like? 
So he actually called me right 

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after it happened and told me 
everything. 

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And I was watching it on TV. 
And so he kept telling me there 

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was a woman that died, like I 
was trying to save her. 

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And I was like, I saw the woman 
die. 

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She was executed on TV and he 
was like, no Sarah. 

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I never went inside the Capitol.
There was a woman who was beat 

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to death by the cops and I was 
trying to save her life. 

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And I couldn't wrap my head 
around it for the longest time 

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until April when the the news 
started to come out about 

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Roseanne. 
And then it was I never not 

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believed my husband, but I 
didn't have any evidence to go 

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behind what he kept telling us. 
And so I actually found not too 

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long ago a letter that he had 
wrote. 

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You know, as as a trained 
officer, you write reports on 

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everything that had happened not
long after it. 

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So you remember all the things, 
all the little details that 

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later on you wouldn't. 
And that's exactly what he did. 

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And so his story has never 
changed. 

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From the time that it happened 
on January 6th when he called me

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when he was walking away, 
finally got service walking back

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to the hotel, to today 
everything has been the same. 

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When he first got home, what 
sort of conversations were you 

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00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:04,030
guys having about that day and 
about the future? 

453
00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:09,690
So we never really thought that 
it would look like it does right

454
00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:12,280
now, right? 
He had told me what happened and

455
00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:15,160
I believed he had jumped into 
action to help that day. 

456
00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:18,600
I never thought that he would be
persecuted for doing so. 

457
00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:21,420
And so we never had that 
conversation of what it looks 

458
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:23,680
like if the FBI came and raided 
our house, if he was 

459
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:27,130
apprehended. 
I just, you know, I believe that

460
00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:30,260
the government was nefarious to 
to do this, but I didn't think 

461
00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:34,690
there would be not enough good 
patriots or good people in the 

462
00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:37,680
government to say, OK, we will 
continue to allow this. 

463
00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:40,810
I would have thought they said, 
you know, you wouldn't let us do

464
00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:42,990
it to your people, you're not 
doing it to ours. 

465
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,700
But here we are, 2 1/2 years 
later. 

466
00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:49,770
Did Colton have an opinion about
working with federal agencies? 

467
00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:51,340
Did he have any experience 
working with feds? 

468
00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:54,190
Um, no. 
I mean, he did. 

469
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,630
There were like times they had 
to work with it on a county 

470
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,310
level. 
But he never, like, had, you 

471
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,000
know, feelings one way or 
another. 

472
00:22:01,010 --> 00:22:04,040
I mean, as you know, in every 
agency there's good and bad. 

473
00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:07,280
And so he definitely would talk 
about, you know, like not 

474
00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:11,430
thinking like people doing 
things by the book or doing it 

475
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,350
the right way. 
But he never, no, he never 

476
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,190
really had that that sort of 
opinion other than just the 

477
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,890
person themselves. 
Want to get into the specific 

478
00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:23,200
indictments that he faced. 
I'm I'm looking at the 

479
00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:24,810
indictment here. 
It was a superseding indictment.

480
00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:27,040
So initially they they set him 
up with a particular set of 

481
00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:30,720
charges and then they brought 
him in on additional charges in.

482
00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:32,860
When was that? 
Was that last year? 

483
00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:36,840
Yes, So they did a superseding 
indictment he's listed in with a

484
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:40,340
number of other people, Jeffrey 
Sable and Peter Stagger, and a 

485
00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:44,790
couple of others. 
What was some of these charges 

486
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,670
are pretty wild, like they 
claimed that he was part of 

487
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,890
something, but they say there 
was a dangerous weapon, a 

488
00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:50,730
button, a flag, a crutch, 
etcetera. 

489
00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:53,230
Like they they sort of listed 
this like they threw the kitchen

490
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,010
sink at him. 
When you guys were reading these

491
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:57,090
indictments as they came out the
first time, in the second time, 

492
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,810
what was the instinct and what 
was the reaction to it? 

493
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,990
It's very interesting. 
They're very contradicting. 

494
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,110
Like you said, he was one of 
nine. 

495
00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:08,170
He's actually the only one to 
take it all the way to trial. 

496
00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:11,150
All the other ones have put out,
and unfortunately one gentleman 

497
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,190
on the indictment passed away 
while awaiting trial. 

498
00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:16,200
He was out. 
He was not in gaol when he 

499
00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:18,150
passed away and he died of 
natural causes. 

500
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,630
But what a way to pass, you 
know, when your life is in 

501
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,110
limbo. 
It's just horrifically sad. 

502
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,240
He didn't know any of these 
individuals that just happened 

503
00:23:26,250 --> 00:23:29,090
to all be around each other at 
the Laurel W Terrace tunnel 

504
00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:32,250
until he went into DC and then 
some of the guys were being 

505
00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:33,780
held. 
That was the first time he had 

506
00:23:33,790 --> 00:23:36,000
actually met anybody on his 
indictment. 

507
00:23:36,170 --> 00:23:39,740
And when you're reading the 
charges, you're like, this is 

508
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:44,100
crazy. 
They say that he, a baton is one

509
00:23:44,110 --> 00:23:46,300
of them, right? 
And you watch the videos, the 

510
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:49,100
baton was laying on the ground 
and he knew the crowd was 

511
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:51,200
getting rowdy. 
So he picked up the baton so 

512
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:54,220
nobody else would use it. 
And then when he had it for four

513
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:56,820
seconds and when he jumped into 
action, he dropped it. 

514
00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:59,500
He never uses the baton other 
than holding it. 

515
00:23:59,590 --> 00:24:01,900
And then another deadly or 
dangerous weapon is the 

516
00:24:01,910 --> 00:24:04,980
motorcycle club that he was 
wearing never uses them. 

517
00:24:05,050 --> 00:24:06,920
They acknowledge that he never 
uses them. 

518
00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:10,580
He had every opportunity to 
strike the officer when he was 

519
00:24:10,590 --> 00:24:13,740
pinned on the ground with him, 
never struck the officer. 

520
00:24:13,790 --> 00:24:16,860
So they're charging him every 
time he went to pick up that 

521
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:18,360
officer. 
They charge him with assault 

522
00:24:18,370 --> 00:24:20,480
with a deadly or dangerous 
weapon. 

523
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:24,380
But they admit that he never 
assaulted the officer and that 

524
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:28,580
he never used the gloves. 
So they charged him for for his 

525
00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:31,320
attempts to help the guy up 
because he has gloves on. 

526
00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:33,980
Is that what I'm understanding? 
Yes, that's correct. 

527
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:36,620
And we're seeing, I think we're 
seeing the gloves in this body 

528
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:39,050
Cam, yes, correct. 
This is him, yes. 

529
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:42,680
So as he reaches down, each of 
these is an assault and all he 

530
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:45,020
looks like he's sort of pushing 
people back and away. 

531
00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:48,380
He's kind of doing like a body 
cover there, yes. 

532
00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:51,600
And the and the officer came 
back and acknowledged this after

533
00:24:51,610 --> 00:24:55,800
the fact and says thank you. 
Actually this officer right now 

534
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:59,040
is saying get off me and he says
I'm helping you. 

535
00:24:59,050 --> 00:25:01,340
The officer says, I know, I know
help me up. 

536
00:25:01,390 --> 00:25:04,640
So that's when he rolls him over
to the side and he's helping him

537
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:08,400
back up the stairs. 
There isn't a third officer at 

538
00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:11,840
the very end of the video that 
sees the entire thing that goes 

539
00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:15,180
down that thanks him for his 
help that day, for helping his 

540
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:17,110
brothers. 
And where are those officers 

541
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,380
when it comes to the defence? 
Um, that's a good question. 

542
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:24,360
I do know two out of the three 
will be subpoenaed for trial. 

543
00:25:24,790 --> 00:25:26,720
I don't know about the third one
yet. 

544
00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:30,280
I'm not really involved in that 
deeply matter of the legal. 

545
00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:34,260
I do talk to the attorneys, but 
we know that this is a losing 

546
00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:36,730
battle. 
Regardless, I do think that it 

547
00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:39,560
would be very hard for them to 
take the stand when we have the 

548
00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:42,650
evidence and the voices pulled 
from it with captions on the 

549
00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:45,400
video to say, you know, was he 
helping you? 

550
00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:48,280
Did you say thank you? 
It would be perjury for them to 

551
00:25:48,290 --> 00:25:50,250
sit on the stand and ignore 
those facts. 

552
00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:52,860
That's fair. 
You just said it's a losing 

553
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:53,980
battle. 
Tell people why that is. 

554
00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:59,090
Right now in Washington, DC, 
it's a 99.4 conviction rate on 

555
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,390
January 6 cases. 
And as you saw with the Whitmer 

556
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,310
cases in Michigan just this past
week, that they had three 

557
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,530
acquittals and two mistrials. 
And I think that's the exact 

558
00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:14,190
reason that they won't grant a 
change of venue to any of these 

559
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,670
January 6th defendants. 
Because they know that even if 

560
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,310
they cross the river and went to
Alexandria, that it goes down 

561
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,450
from a 99.4 conviction rate to a
60% conviction rate. 

562
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,970
And that's simply just not even 
10 miles away from DC. 

563
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:31,020
But DC is not a jury of 
anybody's peers. 

564
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:34,520
And actually the people that sit
on the jury are named victims in

565
00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:36,850
these cases. 
So you go rob a bank and you 

566
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:39,120
hold hostages. 
None of those hostages would 

567
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:42,600
ever sit on your jury pool, 
except for in Washington, DC 

568
00:26:42,610 --> 00:26:45,940
They are allowed to be in the 
jury pool as named victims in 

569
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:48,290
cases. 
I've talked to Bill Shipley 

570
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:50,010
about this. 
He's a defence attorney that's 

571
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:52,030
handled a number. 
He's a former USA federal 

572
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,590
prosecutor and one of the things
he mentioned is that there is a 

573
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,250
process that is set up so that 
they actually cannot. 

574
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:59,830
The judges are actually not 
entitled to allow a change of 

575
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,330
venue based on the way that the 
appeal circuit works there. 

576
00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:06,370
Have you guys talked through 
that this is a, this is a an 

577
00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:08,820
appeals requirement. 
There's no way that you can play

578
00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:10,910
this thing out and have a 
success at the lower level. 

579
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,470
Is that part of your 
conversation? 

580
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:15,490
Yeah. 
So I actually had a very high 

581
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,850
end attorney look at me and 
said, Sarah, why are you 

582
00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:20,860
spending so much money on 
private attorneys when you 

583
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:23,820
haven't even gone to trial yet? 
They're going to bankrupt you 

584
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:26,640
going to trial. 
They as in the government, I I 

585
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:29,800
believe every attorney should be
paid for the work that they do, 

586
00:27:29,850 --> 00:27:32,360
but they, as in the government 
is going to bankrupt you before 

587
00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:34,690
you even go to trial. 
So then you have no money for 

588
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,520
sentencing and appeals and I 
think that's what they want. 

589
00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:39,720
But clearly we're not winning in
the District Court. 

590
00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:42,670
So the next step is the Circuit 
Court and if you're not going to

591
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,380
win there and then the next one 
is the Supreme Court, where I do

592
00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:47,830
know some of the charges right 
now are currently sitting on the

593
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,690
docket. 
So what is the theory with that?

594
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,230
Why? 
Why spend all the money up front

595
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,810
if you know that it's a losing 
battle there? 

596
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:58,390
There is no really thought 
process behind that. 

597
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,810
Usually and when something 
happens like this, if it's not 

598
00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:05,030
related to January 6th, you go 
and get the best attorney right,

599
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,010
because you know that that's 
going to be the person that 

600
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:09,530
fights for you. 
And and especially in a case 

601
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:12,710
like Coltons, you want somebody 
who is well educated because he 

602
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,530
was a law enforcement officer 
that day. 

603
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,650
He has the evidence that plays 
in his favour but the government

604
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:19,950
is trying to overcharge and over
punish him. 

605
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,020
So you need somebody with the 
the knowledge to be able to 

606
00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:25,150
fight this system, but it 
doesn't matter. 

607
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,790
So now we're going to trial. 
We have a public defender 

608
00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:32,920
because we decided to save our 
money for appeals because we are

609
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:35,210
prepared for him to be convicted
on every charge. 

610
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:38,350
OK, so you have prepared for 
that possibility or maybe 

611
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,310
eventuality. 
Is his situation, as far as, you

612
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,050
know, unique law enforcement 
officer, current law enforcement

613
00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:45,850
officer being charged with 
violence against other cops, 

614
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:47,910
even though there's body Cam 
footage saying otherwise? 

615
00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:53,420
I think his case is very unique 
in January 6th as a whole, 

616
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:57,420
because I haven't seen any case 
like his where he could be 

617
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:59,220
completely innocent on all the 
charges. 

618
00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:01,520
You know, you want to charge him
with trespassing, then slap a 

619
00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:04,900
trespassing misdemeanour on him 
and let's move on with our life.

620
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:08,700
But there are other cops that 
were there, off duty cops on 

621
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:11,680
January 6 that have had the book
thrown at them, but they don't 

622
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:15,840
have the evidence that plays in 
the favour like Colton does. 

623
00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:19,560
We're literally, it's on video 
cops thanking him and there's 

624
00:29:19,570 --> 00:29:22,260
even a video that hasn't. 
That'll be admitted into 

625
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:25,000
evidence where it they are 
inside the Capitol. 

626
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:28,160
All these cops are after this 
happens and they're talking 

627
00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:31,750
about the cop laying on the 
ground whose officer AW, and 

628
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440
they're talking about what's 
going on and how the protesters 

629
00:29:34,690 --> 00:29:39,500
released him back to the line of
duty and an officer says no, 

630
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:42,760
there was under under undercover
cops helping him. 

631
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:49,180
And all of that is on video. 
You know, at first when we 

632
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:52,060
pulled the audio from this 
video, the, the gentleman that 

633
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:55,600
did it said, you know, look up 
what the different, like what a 

634
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:58,160
covering cop is. 
And if you look at what a 

635
00:29:58,170 --> 00:30:01,380
covering cop is, it's basically 
the second person that is 

636
00:30:01,390 --> 00:30:05,940
watching the other cops back. 
And that's what I think that 

637
00:30:05,950 --> 00:30:09,110
they thought Colton was. 
I don't think that they realised

638
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,320
they knew that there were 
undercover agents, undercover 

639
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:14,420
cops, all these people in the 
crowd that day. 

640
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:17,420
And because there was so much 
chaos going on, I think that 

641
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:20,380
some of them thought that he was
undercover working that day. 

642
00:30:20,730 --> 00:30:23,380
Even though he, I mean, he's 
wearing a vest, is that is that 

643
00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:25,020
right? 
He had a vest on and identified 

644
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:29,450
him as a sheriff's deputy. 
Yes, he just didn't have his his

645
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,800
department on there. 
It simply said 3% or it was 

646
00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:35,240
something to that effect, yes. 
There was a there was an emblem 

647
00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:36,680
on there. 
I was trying to recognise it. 

648
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:41,430
So they, you think that the, the
officers there believed he was 

649
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,410
part of the like a cover team 
that was trying to help people 

650
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:45,310
out? 
Yeah. 

651
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,190
And and like I said, that's 
that's nothing that I can say in

652
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,040
stone. 
But that's definitely what it's 

653
00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:54,410
seen by their conversations that
day that they knew that he 

654
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:57,670
wasn't hurting anybody by them 
thanking him, saying I know 

655
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,730
you're an officer, you're trying
to help. 

656
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,570
And then their conversation that
happened inside the Capitol 

657
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:08,130
after it all went down. 
This is so I always tell people 

658
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:11,470
I I feel like the the events of 
January 6th are are American 

659
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,090
Rorschach test. 
Are you familiar with the the 

660
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,170
Rorschach test the the concept 
of them? 

661
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,810
It's your classic ink block 
test. 

662
00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:19,330
That's where they take a piece 
of paper and they put some ink 

663
00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:20,550
on it. 
They fold it in half and it 

664
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,320
squishes out. 
And then they show it to people 

665
00:31:22,330 --> 00:31:23,310
and they say, what do you see 
here? 

666
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:27,430
And it seems to me that when you
look at January 6th, if I show 

667
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,250
you those events and I say, what
do you see here, people will 

668
00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:32,590
tell you an awful lot about the 
way they see our country and the

669
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,950
way I see they see politics and 
some other things that that are 

670
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,150
very revealing. 
How have people treated you as 

671
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,670
sort of a a walking embodiment 
of that Rorschach test? 

672
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:47,740
You know, our community doesn't 
stand behind us, which is very 

673
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:51,840
sad to say. 
His agencies won't even speak to

674
00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:53,360
me. 
I do believe that. 

675
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:57,140
I do know that the FBI went to 
them prior to them apprehending 

676
00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:59,860
him, all of the agencies that he
worked for. 

677
00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:02,660
And I do believe that they said,
you know, to shut up. 

678
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,340
I do know that the agency that 
he worked for on January 6th, I 

679
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:09,460
know somebody that works there. 
And the day after he was 

680
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:13,690
apprehended, the high end 
officials came in and said do 

681
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,460
not talk to Sarah, do not talk 
to his family. 

682
00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:20,300
It's an ongoing investigation. 
And you know, two years later, 

683
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:22,830
you would think that you would 
have people that would stand up 

684
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,890
for him and say he was my 
partner, he was my friend, my 

685
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,010
colleague. 
You know, he never left any 

686
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:32,450
agency without them saying 
you're always welcome here. 

687
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,070
And yet something like this 
drastically happens. 

688
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,930
You don't have those people that
are standing behind you, not 

689
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:42,930
only his, you know, agencies, 
but our, our community. 

690
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:45,690
You know, we have a bunch of 
rhinos, I guess in Tennessee. 

691
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,530
And they, they don't even do 
anything to help him. 

692
00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:51,970
I had a meeting with our 
congressional member, and the 

693
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:54,710
only I feel like the only reason
that he met with me a year and a

694
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,830
half later was because I had 
somebody from Trump's 

695
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,750
administration helped me get the
meeting. 

696
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,890
And he sat with me for about 30 
minutes and it seems like 

697
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,030
somebody in his office knew more
about it than he knew. 

698
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,660
And that's his own constituent. 
And it's just for for you to not

699
00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:13,360
stand up for somebody in that 
calibre. 

700
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:16,360
You know, we don't even need to 
discuss the events of January 

701
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:19,440
6th, but what's happened since 
then that they're overcharged 

702
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:21,960
and over punished. 
Anybody should be able to get 

703
00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:24,340
behind that because these are 
rights as an American that are 

704
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:27,970
just being squandered. 
Want to dig into the the concept

705
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:30,430
of the agency not standing 
behind him in any way? 

706
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,220
Usually when something happens 
to a police officer, that's the 

707
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:36,450
first thing that happens. 
The we we rally around those 

708
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:40,110
that are on our team, We we come
out and say, look, the 

709
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,770
investigation is ongoing, that's
fine. 

710
00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:44,490
And yet it's my opinion that 
this person is a good person. 

711
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,030
These are my good experiences 
with them. 

712
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,330
You're saying you you experience
the opposite of that complete 

713
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:50,420
cone of silence. 
Yeah. 

714
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:52,140
And I think it's because it's so
political. 

715
00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:54,320
You know, I've had so many 
people say that they don't want 

716
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:56,900
to touch this, you know, 
attorneys or whoever it might 

717
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:59,280
be, they don't want to touch it 
because it's career suicide 

718
00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:03,480
because it's so political. 
This isn't your just average, 

719
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:06,960
you know, a police line shooting
or something happening in the 

720
00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:09,340
field. 
It happened at the capital on 

721
00:34:09,350 --> 00:34:11,659
January 6th as an off duty 
officer. 

722
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:13,980
And so you're right. 
You would think that because I 

723
00:34:13,989 --> 00:34:16,159
know that Colton would have done
this for anybody. 

724
00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:19,060
Even if the agency said, you 
know, don't talk to these 

725
00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:22,360
people, he would have done it 
because he, he knows what in his

726
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:25,909
heart is right. 
And for them to not do that for 

727
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,850
him, it is disturbing because 
you think that these people are 

728
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:31,980
on your side and would support 
you, you know, regardless, you 

729
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:34,350
don't even have to talk about 
the events of January 6th, but 

730
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,020
just say this is who I knew 
Colton to be and they won't even

731
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:41,760
do that. 
Can we can we zoom out just a 

732
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:44,159
little bit and and and think 
about this from a larger 

733
00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:45,980
perspective. 
What does it say about law 

734
00:34:45,989 --> 00:34:48,239
enforcement in general? 
Everybody has the sense that 

735
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:51,719
given the Givens or if push came
to shove cops would do the right

736
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:53,070
thing. 
They would do the right thing 

737
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000
for their partner, for the 
country, for this culture. 

738
00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:59,130
And you guys are experiencing 
something that is sounds like 

739
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:01,280
the opposite of that that they 
were they're not coming out and 

740
00:35:01,290 --> 00:35:05,690
speaking up. 
You know, I think people do 

741
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:09,370
things that benefit themselves 
and I think that's just the 

742
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:13,850
selfishness that is in us and 
and the human side of us. 

743
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,880
And if it's not going to benefit
them, it's not going to benefit 

744
00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:20,730
their agency, it's going to hurt
their family, hurt them, then 

745
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:23,750
they are timid to do it just 
like you've done as as being a 

746
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,570
whistleblower. 
You would think more people I'm 

747
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:30,410
sure feel like you, but they are
terrified to stand up and do 

748
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,630
something because it might 
affect them. 

749
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:36,900
And I think that's part of the 
issue here, is that it? 

750
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:39,500
They don't want it to affect 
their family or their career. 

751
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,680
What does that say about our 
country right now that we have a

752
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:47,690
bunch of spineless cowards that 
won't stand up and actually do 

753
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:49,750
something? 
And I think that that's, that's 

754
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,970
part of the problem, is that we 
continue to allow this to 

755
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:54,690
happen. 
Because if we, the people would 

756
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:58,130
stand up and say we're not 
allowing this to happen anymore,

757
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,670
or 100 million people didn't go 
to work tomorrow or a couple 

758
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,550
million went and sat in 
Washington DC and said we're not

759
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,250
leaving until we air our 
grievances and you actually do 

760
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:09,650
something about it. 
But people are too fearful to 

761
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:12,150
even do that. 
You think fear, cowardice. 

762
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,050
Those are the things that are 
keeping us from being able to 

763
00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:17,300
realise that potential. 
I absolutely do because we 

764
00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:21,150
outnumber them completely. 
But we've lived in this world 

765
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800
where we've been lulled to sleep
and believe don't question 

766
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:26,400
authority, right, because 
they're on our side, they're 

767
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:29,250
doing what's best for us and 
they're absolutely not in this. 

768
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:32,870
Corruption runs deep and it's 
not only affecting, you know, 

769
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,850
January 6, it's affecting people
that have had their children 

770
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:38,630
taken and sex trafficking. 
It's happened to people that 

771
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,690
have lost their jobs because of 
the COVID mandates and and 

772
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,610
people in the border that we're 
having our country over Iran, 

773
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:47,630
where there's a lot of battles 
that are currently being fought 

774
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,280
on different fronts. 
We have to put our differences 

775
00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:53,480
aside and join together as one, 
because at the end of the day, 

776
00:36:53,490 --> 00:36:55,700
we're all Americans and we're 
trying to save our country. 

777
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:59,840
We saw a picture a minute ago. 
Ryan flashed up on the screen. 

778
00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:02,620
You went out and testified. 
What were you testifying about 

779
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:07,820
and how was that received? 
I was asked by Matt Gates and 

780
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:12,480
his team to testify at a January
6th field hearing on June 13th 

781
00:37:12,490 --> 00:37:20,040
in Washington, DC Yes, it was 
Brandon Straka, John Strand, 

782
00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:22,760
Jerry Perna, and then two 
attorneys as well. 

783
00:37:22,830 --> 00:37:25,780
And we each had five minutes to 
testify. 

784
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:30,740
And you know, in my testimony, I
talked about 18 USC Section 4 

785
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:32,980
where it talks about knowing of 
a felony. 

786
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:37,840
And so it's on record that four 
protesters died that day that 

787
00:37:37,850 --> 00:37:40,340
they need to investigate this 
because there's been no 

788
00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:43,220
investigation into January 6, a 
true investigation. 

789
00:37:43,230 --> 00:37:46,000
You have the sham committee 
doing whatever they wanted, and 

790
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:47,880
then they destroyed half of 
their evidence. 

791
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:50,650
But you've had no true 
investigation into the treatment

792
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:53,350
of these individuals that are 
being held into the four 

793
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,970
protesters that day. 
And, you know, I've, I've had a 

794
00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:58,670
conversation with the Capitol 
Police officer that said, well, 

795
00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:01,610
you know, Yogananda Pittman 
isn't in charge of all this and 

796
00:38:01,620 --> 00:38:03,030
she needs to be held 
accountable. 

797
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,700
And while I agree with that, it 
needs to go up the chain. 

798
00:38:05,710 --> 00:38:09,190
But people also need to be held 
responsible for their actions 

799
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,870
that day. 
Michael Bird killing Ashley 

800
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,290
Babbitt Roseanne or Viola Morris
killing Roseanne Boylan, all of 

801
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,030
these people need to be held 
accountable because they they, 

802
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,010
yeah, a lot of people were set 
up that day. 

803
00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:22,260
I will agree with that, but you 
have to take personal 

804
00:38:22,270 --> 00:38:24,740
responsibility for your actions,
whether they are good or bad 

805
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:27,910
consequences. 
I think it's really hard for 

806
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,270
people to kind of divorce 
himself of their emotions about 

807
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,930
this day and kind of look at it 
objectively. 

808
00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:34,780
But you're right, there hasn't 
been an unbiased look to your 

809
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:36,270
knowledge. 
Has there been an after action 

810
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,020
done by the Capitol Police to 
say what went well and what went

811
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:40,540
wrong? 
No. 

812
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:43,180
And actually the Capitol Police,
I'm sure you know, operate with 

813
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:45,380
impunity. 
And so everything that they do 

814
00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:48,570
is internal. 
There's no external organisation

815
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:50,620
that comes in to review 
anything. 

816
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:53,280
And so, you know, I heard it 
best when I went to have 

817
00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:57,760
congressional meetings that that
one member had said the Capitol 

818
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:59,920
Police, they're just a step 
above Mall cops. 

819
00:38:59,990 --> 00:39:04,000
And so I think that they weren't
trained for what happened that 

820
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:08,200
day by any means. 
But you just have that human 

821
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:10,860
side of you that that tells you,
hey, you shouldn't do this. 

822
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:13,100
You shouldn't treat people that 
way, you know. 

823
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:16,860
And there could have been 
leaders, I believe, even if they

824
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:19,570
didn't necessarily hold a title,
There could have been leaders 

825
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:23,180
that stepped up that day to say 
to people, hey, we shouldn't be 

826
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:26,080
shooting into a peaceful crowd, 
we shouldn't be spraying pepper 

827
00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:27,960
spray. 
You know, I think they just went

828
00:39:27,970 --> 00:39:32,070
on this high and they want to 
talk about why people reacted 

829
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,380
the way that they did, but they 
never want to talk about what 

830
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:35,810
provoked them. 
They want to. 

831
00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:38,480
They don't want to look at the 
10 minutes of video beforehand 

832
00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:41,560
and say, hey, This is why the 
crowd at the lower W Terrace 

833
00:39:41,570 --> 00:39:44,940
tunnel was so mad, was because 
there was an officer that was 

834
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:47,840
beating a protester that was 
unconscious lying on the ground.

835
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,120
I almost want to put like a 
little pin in what we're talking

836
00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:53,100
about for one second because you
said something that I don't 

837
00:39:53,110 --> 00:39:55,170
think a lot of people realise or
understand. 

838
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:58,810
You said that the Capitol Police
are one step above mall cops. 

839
00:39:58,820 --> 00:40:01,090
Can we can we talk about that 
for just a little bit? 

840
00:40:01,180 --> 00:40:03,070
I think it's uncomfortable for 
some people to hear, but I want 

841
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:03,800
to. 
I want to address it. 

842
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:06,990
Yeah, absolutely. 
What? 

843
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,820
What was, what was the context 
around that, that that comment 

844
00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:14,620
we were talking about January 
6th and this person has worked 

845
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:18,820
up on Capitol Hill for 30 years 
and we were just talking about, 

846
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,290
you know, there's so much that 
we've learned along this way of 

847
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:25,240
course of them operating with 
impunity that they are the only 

848
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:30,640
ones that operate without. 
It's an outside organisation 

849
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:34,880
coming to look at them and how 
they they were truly set up that

850
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:41,260
day. 
And I think that it's, you know,

851
00:40:41,370 --> 00:40:44,820
they should be trained in 
ongoing training for if 

852
00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:46,760
something like this were to ever
happen. 

853
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:48,900
And I think that's part of the 
reason that they don't want to 

854
00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:52,280
release these tapes is because 
it wouldn't only show maybe the 

855
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:55,760
American people not acting 
correctly, but it wouldn't show 

856
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:57,860
the police officers acting 
correctly either. 

857
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,230
So it's interesting specifically
that you you talk about Capitol 

858
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,830
Police that. 
So for I want to kind of educate

859
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,550
our our listening audience a bit
about Capital Police and that's 

860
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,900
correct. 
They are not like the anything 

861
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:12,750
under the Department of Justice 
which answers to Department of 

862
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,910
Justice rules which are usually 
known as the attorney general's 

863
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,350
guidelines. 
So those are use of force, 

864
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,890
that's the deadly force policy 
and so on The Capitol Police 

865
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,450
answer to Congress, they are 
unique in the federal law 

866
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:26,480
enforcement sphere and my 
experience with them is exactly 

867
00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:28,530
what you just said, a step above
mall cops. 

868
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:30,530
They're glorified federal 
security guards. 

869
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,480
They're about as capable. 
As the Smithsonian Police 

870
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:36,340
Department, which is a thing 
that exists and you don't even 

871
00:41:36,350 --> 00:41:38,180
need a high school diploma to to
work there. 

872
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:40,290
Now, I don't know what the 
backgrounds of all the people in

873
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:43,310
Capitol Police are, but the ones
that are smart enough, they go 

874
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,760
get another federal job 
somewhere else. 

875
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:46,720
The people that have worked 
there for their entire careers 

876
00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:50,860
tend to be very uneducated, 
mediocre human beings, nice 

877
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:52,500
people. 
I'm not impugning their honour 

878
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,530
as human beings. 
I'm just saying they're not 

879
00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:57,360
capable of getting a better law 
enforcement job in federal 

880
00:41:57,370 --> 00:42:00,460
service because you can transfer
that that pension anywhere, and 

881
00:42:00,470 --> 00:42:02,580
many of them are not. 
They're not federal agents in 

882
00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:04,060
the way that we would expect 
them to be. 

883
00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:05,950
They're below something like an 
ATF. 

884
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,290
Which many people would call 
kind of at the bottom of the 

885
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:09,850
barrel when it comes to the way 
they hire as well. 

886
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:13,300
So it's it's worth knowing. 
That these people were not well 

887
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:15,440
trained. 
They are not striving for 

888
00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:17,080
excellence. 
This is not a place that is a 

889
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:19,520
premier job in the federal 
government. 

890
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:21,190
And that's what we saw on that 
day. 

891
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,140
We saw people and you know, 
look, I don't have a tonne of 

892
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:26,020
experience with less than lethal
munitions shooting things like 

893
00:42:26,090 --> 00:42:28,260
tear gas or pepper balls and 
things like that. 

894
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:30,800
I've never gotten any official 
training on using those devices.

895
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:33,840
And yet I think we can all look 
at it and go, if you fire it 

896
00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:36,010
into a crowd and they have 
nowhere to go, they're going to 

897
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:38,010
go forward, backward and away 
from wherever you dropped all 

898
00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,740
that gas. 
That's how crowd control 

899
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:41,820
munitions work. 
You're going to push people in a

900
00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:43,230
way. 
And what they did is they fired 

901
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,760
up behind the line and they 
pushed people into themselves. 

902
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:48,040
Because they had no idea that 
you're supposed to deny the area

903
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:50,130
that you don't want them in. 
You don't put it where the 

904
00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:52,250
people are and try and deny 
everybody everything. 

905
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,260
So it's just it's so important I
think that we understand what a.

906
00:42:56,460 --> 00:43:00,350
What a failure that that exposed
on January 6th. 

907
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,620
It's incapability of handling 
crowds and and that's actually 

908
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:05,990
not the people that usually 
handle crowds in Washington DC 

909
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,770
either. 
Have you been kind of Privy to 

910
00:43:07,780 --> 00:43:10,420
that information? 
No. 

911
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:13,680
I did, you know, at one point 
speak to somebody who was at 

912
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:16,580
January 6 that was taking 
pictures and they kind of 

913
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:20,990
dissected the Capital Police and
how, like, you would zoom in on 

914
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,240
the Capitol Police that were 
standing outside and they were 

915
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:26,020
all in their uniform, but they 
had dreads hanging down their 

916
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:27,640
back. 
They were in uniform, but they 

917
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:29,520
were wearing sketcher tennis 
shoes. 

918
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:33,320
They were in uniform, but their 
badge was on their little neon 

919
00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:35,240
vest. 
And you're like, that's just 

920
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:39,260
basic things that people know as
as a cop, when you put on your 

921
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:43,010
uniform for the day, you wear 
steel toed boots, your hair is 

922
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:46,290
up your you don't put your badge
on your little vest. 

923
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,380
It goes on your uniform. 
Just like basic things like that

924
00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:51,490
where you're like this doesn't 
make sense. 

925
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,520
Well, they're not well trained 
and they are overwhelmingly, 

926
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:56,810
like I said, kind of a lower 
tier on that level. 

927
00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:59,430
Security guard is pretty, pretty
accurate for what they do. 

928
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,190
They they're security guards for
for Congress. 

929
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,410
They're not investigators in the
same way, although they have a 

930
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:07,220
small investigative unit. 
They're just not, they're just 

931
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:09,590
not police in the way that your 
your husband would think about 

932
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,670
police, I would say. 
And so that's probably 

933
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,790
surprising to many people 
because they have uniforms. 

934
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,100
They look very police like. 
That's one of the fun things we 

935
00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:18,860
could say about them. 
Kind of sad, Ryan brought up the

936
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:20,600
clip of you testifying. 
We're gonna play that real 

937
00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:22,980
quickly if that's cool, and 
we'll kind of let people see 

938
00:44:22,990 --> 00:44:24,950
that and then we'll come right 
back from that. 

939
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,690
Right. 
I'm ready when you are. 

940
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,690
According to 18 US Code, Section
4, it is a legal requirement 

941
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,250
that anyone who has knowledge of
felony committed within the 

942
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:36,680
jurisdiction of the United 
States must promptly disclose. 

943
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,830
Failure to do so may result in 
fines, imprisonment for a 

944
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,970
maximum of three years, or both.
Today, I want to officially 

945
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:45,410
state that I am reporting the 
deaths of Ashley Babbitt, 

946
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,530
Rosanne Boylan, Kevin Greason, 
and Benjamin Phillips. 

947
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:51,470
It is crucial that these deaths 
are thoroughly investigated to 

948
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,370
ensure justice is served. 
I implore you to not remain 

949
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:57,250
passive observers, but to hold 
those responsible for these 

950
00:44:57,260 --> 00:45:00,310
injustices accountable. 
It is imperative that we restore

951
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,350
faith in our justice system and 
safeguard the rights of all 

952
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,260
individuals involved in January 
6th. 

953
00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:08,260
Thank you. 
How was that received? 

954
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:14,680
By after the fact, nothing has 
been done, which I think is very

955
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:18,620
ironic because they are the ones
that held this field hearing to 

956
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:21,980
understand the things that these
families are going through. 

957
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:26,280
And as terrible as this has been
on our family and my husband 

958
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:30,470
himself, this is so much bigger 
than just us and how we are 

959
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,900
affected. 
Because at some point, whether 

960
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:36,020
it is 2 years from now, 20 years
from now, whatever it is, at 

961
00:45:36,030 --> 00:45:38,760
some point my husband's going to
come home and we'll be able to 

962
00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:41,420
piece our lives back together. 
But there are four families that

963
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:44,690
will never be made whole again 
and here we are 2 1/2 years 

964
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,390
later with any no sort of 
investigation where their bodies

965
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,540
were. 
You know in in Roseanne's case 

966
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:53,350
her body was cremated. 
So they the family can't even 

967
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,960
bring in a private investigator 
to look at what happened that 

968
00:45:56,970 --> 00:46:00,890
day and and they just cremated 
her body immediately and that's 

969
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,790
the one that I'm very familiar 
with. 

970
00:46:02,860 --> 00:46:09,190
I do know that actually Babbitts
family cremated her on their own

971
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,110
and and took her back home but 
you know you have and and she 

972
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,380
was a veteran that was denied 
rendering of of services aid 

973
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:20,300
because she couldn't even her 
mother Mickey Witthoff couldn't 

974
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:23,700
even find somewhere to bury her 
daughter because of how 

975
00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:26,690
political this had been. 
And regardless of all of that 

976
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,900
she was somebody that served our
country certainly shouldn't have

977
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:32,980
went to DC to be brought home in
a box that day. 

978
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:35,580
But these four families they 
need justice. 

979
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:38,720
We need justice for the January 
6th defendants, but we also need

980
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:41,980
justice for America, because we 
do need to restore hope in our 

981
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:44,450
justice system because it is 
broken from A-Z. 

982
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,720
That's a really dark picture of 
this country. 

983
00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:50,170
I don't think it's wrong. 
Can you kind of talk about how 

984
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:54,010
maybe your sense of what America
is and what it means in 2023 has

985
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:58,910
changed since 2021? 
Yeah, I think that this is 

986
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,410
exposed how how corrupt the 
system is that the prosecution 

987
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:06,390
is allowed to lie to the grand 
jury to indict somebody. 

988
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:09,950
They are allowed to lie in 
opening and closing statements 

989
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:13,730
and that's just wrong in itself 
and should be able to be thrown 

990
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:16,450
out as mistrials. 
But what the judges are allowed 

991
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:19,910
to say, what the prosecution is 
allowed to do, the judges will 

992
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,370
only allow some type of evidence
and some witnesses. 

993
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,010
When you are are in defence mode
you should be allowed every one 

994
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:31,550
of those things to exonerate you
or find the jury finds you not 

995
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,990
guilty on things. 
But this is a kangaroo court at 

996
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,310
its finest and you know there's 
so many facets of this that the 

997
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:41,950
the prison systems broken. 
I think the US Marshall system 

998
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,500
is broken because that's 
technically who they are and 

999
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,690
they they are US Marshall 
custody until they are convicted

1000
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:51,410
sentenced and then sent to the 
the BOP. 

1001
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,110
And it's just what the US 
Marshals will allow. 

1002
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,670
You know they're paid $400.00 a 
day to keep these inmates. 

1003
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,310
So of course the gaol wants to 
keep them and they feed them 

1004
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,020
terrible food. 
They certainly don't get $400.00

1005
00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:10,440
a day worth of care, whether 
it's medical or or food or 

1006
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:13,260
whatever it is, exercise, 
anything of that sort. 

1007
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:16,710
And I think, you know, they say 
that January 6th, defendants and

1008
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,640
their families might not be the 
messenger, but I absolutely 

1009
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:22,060
believe we are. 
We might have been ignorant to 

1010
00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:25,020
this system and how broken it 
was prior to this, but they 

1011
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:27,300
certainly have people on their 
side fighting now. 

1012
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:30,200
And I think that's The thing is 
like this goes beyond January 

1013
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:33,860
6th because these guys could be 
exonerated and free tomorrow. 

1014
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:37,450
The damage to their families 
have already been done and then 

1015
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:40,150
we have to make sure that they 
can't sweep this under the rug. 

1016
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,290
We have to make sure that this 
is never going to happen again 

1017
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:45,480
in America. 
So when corrective actions, 

1018
00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:48,490
let's talk about the foundation 
that you started and maybe if 

1019
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:52,680
you see a way out of this, I 
think January Sixers are are in 

1020
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:55,050
a unique place, they're they're 
deep in the hole and they're and

1021
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:57,380
they're seeing America from a 
very different perspective than 

1022
00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:59,610
they probably started off. 
So maybe tell us about the 

1023
00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:02,080
foundation and then if you see 
there any sort of roads towards 

1024
00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:04,670
Hope. 
Yeah, so we started standing in 

1025
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,900
the Gap Foundation and there's a
lot of different avenues with 

1026
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:11,500
that and Family Services. 
So the guys were denied 

1027
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:14,510
visitation in Washington, DC for
two years, so they couldn't even

1028
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,420
see their loved ones, give them 
a hug, lay eyes on them because 

1029
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:18,920
they didn't even have video 
visits. 

1030
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:22,320
And so Congressman Troy Nells 
went into the facility in 

1031
00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:26,280
January of 23, finally granted 
them in person visitation, and 

1032
00:49:26,290 --> 00:49:28,380
they were so excited for about 
two hours. 

1033
00:49:28,450 --> 00:49:31,580
And then they realised I simply 
can't afford to fly my family 

1034
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:35,010
from wherever in the country to 
Washington, DC, to see me for an

1035
00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:39,080
hour or two hours at Max. 
And so they, we put together 

1036
00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:42,180
Operation loved ones, or we've 
been able to fund over 25 

1037
00:49:42,190 --> 00:49:44,060
families to go see their loved 
ones. 

1038
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:48,620
And that includes flights, 
transportation, hotels, food, 

1039
00:49:48,670 --> 00:49:51,320
everything under the sun that 
they don't have to pay anything.

1040
00:49:51,330 --> 00:49:53,460
They can just simply enjoy their
visit. 

1041
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:56,790
And then, you know, as we talked
about, we're not winning in the 

1042
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,980
District Court. 
We have to go to the Circuit 

1043
00:49:58,990 --> 00:50:00,480
Court. 
And that's where we're going to 

1044
00:50:00,490 --> 00:50:03,560
bring in appellant attorneys. 
Well, we're 2 1/2 years into 

1045
00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:05,980
this, and a lot of people 
already spent so much money on 

1046
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:09,210
private attorneys, but they 
don't have the funds now to pay 

1047
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:11,610
for appellant attorneys. 
And so we've partnered with a 

1048
00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:14,090
few very good appellant 
attorneys in DC that want to 

1049
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:18,180
fight these cases, and we need 
funding to help that. 

1050
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,530
But then long term and stand in 
the gap is reentry and justice 

1051
00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:24,130
reform. 
So reentry. 

1052
00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:27,180
A lot of these guys, if, if the 
country doesn't turn around, are

1053
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:30,710
going to become felons, they're 
going to be, they're known as 

1054
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,210
being insurrectionist and 
domestic terrorist. 

1055
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,280
And how can you ever get your 
life back on track? 

1056
00:50:35,290 --> 00:50:37,530
A lot of these guys were 
breadwinners of their families. 

1057
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:40,270
And, you know, specifically in 
my husband's case, he'll never 

1058
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,680
be able to go back into law 
enforcement, so he's going to 

1059
00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:46,940
have to go build a new career. 
And then as a felon, I a lot of 

1060
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:49,460
people don't know, I didn't even
know this, that as a felon 

1061
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:51,390
you're not even allowed to rent 
an apartment. 

1062
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:55,420
And so there's so many red, so 
much red tape around being a 

1063
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:56,950
felon. 
Not only, you know, you can't 

1064
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,920
vote, not have your guns, things
like that, but even trying to 

1065
00:50:59,930 --> 00:51:02,800
get your life back on track. 
And so we need, you know, 

1066
00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:05,780
conservative businesses and 
churches to come alongside of 

1067
00:51:05,790 --> 00:51:08,200
these people and give them a 
chance because they are good 

1068
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:09,940
people that have just been 
persecuted. 

1069
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:12,400
And then long term is justice 
reform. 

1070
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:16,070
And that's where it's not only 
about the January 6th 

1071
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,640
defendants. 
You know, there was an issue not

1072
00:51:17,650 --> 00:51:20,230
too long ago where they moved 
over half of the January 6th 

1073
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,190
defendants out of their pod, put
them on the other side of the 

1074
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,550
gaol in the where the normal DC 
residents are and they weren't 

1075
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,680
being treated while there. 
And so they were begging the 

1076
00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:33,600
January 6th defendants to get 
the word out so they could be 

1077
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:36,520
treated better. 
And that just showed me that we 

1078
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:40,200
do have a vessel to make this 
happen for these individuals. 

1079
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:44,350
It's not only happening in DC, 
but these facilities that are 

1080
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,900
privately owned that are making 
money off these individuals. 

1081
00:51:46,990 --> 00:51:49,030
And I think something 
interesting that I heard the 

1082
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,710
other day was the recidivism 
rate. 

1083
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,580
So when when you were in gaol, 
you get out and then within 

1084
00:51:55,590 --> 00:51:58,890
three years is, is there a time 
period that they, they watch you

1085
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:03,440
for, right? 
And they in the Federal Bureau 

1086
00:52:03,450 --> 00:52:07,480
of Prisons, the recidivism rate 
is usually 40 to 44%. 

1087
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:09,790
That means within three years 
you commit another crime and 

1088
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,510
come back into the system. 
And when they did home 

1089
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,860
confinement, they during COVID, 
because they didn't have enough 

1090
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:19,780
bed space and they didn't have 
enough workers, the recidivism 

1091
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:24,010
rate was 0.05%. 
And so that was a complete 

1092
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:26,220
drastic change in the recidivism
rate. 

1093
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:28,090
And I think it's because even 
though they were on home 

1094
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,580
confinement and serving their 
time, they were able to be 

1095
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:32,910
involved with their families, 
they were able to give back to 

1096
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,190
their communities in what ways 
that they could. 

1097
00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:38,900
And so we need to look at the 
statistics of why the American 

1098
00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:41,790
incarceration rate is so high, 
one of the highest in the world,

1099
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:45,030
and why there are no programmes 
to get these individuals back to

1100
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,110
contributing members of society.
It seems like God works in a lot

1101
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,570
of mysterious ways, and 
sometimes in ways that we would 

1102
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:56,540
not choose ourselves this. 
Insight into the prison system 

1103
00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:58,840
has given a lot of people that 
came from very different 

1104
00:52:58,850 --> 00:53:01,060
backgrounds, whether it be law 
enforcement or productive 

1105
00:53:01,070 --> 00:53:05,080
citizens who had jobs and 
breadwinners and so on, a look 

1106
00:53:05,090 --> 00:53:09,260
behind the curtain of. 
Really how messed up and and how

1107
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,950
failing our quote unquote 
criminal justice system is. 

1108
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,590
It's really just a criminal 
punishment system I think and a 

1109
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,930
lot of people are now seeing 
that do you feel like your 

1110
00:53:16,940 --> 00:53:19,730
husband and and these other men 
are being used as as vessels to 

1111
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:22,930
teach America something at A at 
a very dear cost obviously but 

1112
00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,450
something we we didn't learn. 
Yeah I believe that. 

1113
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:28,730
I've always believed that this 
is bigger than we can ever 

1114
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:30,890
fathom and it's not just about 
us. 

1115
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,390
As I said I was in the corporate
world, the entertainment 

1116
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,790
industry prior to this. 
I never thought my life would 

1117
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,890
look like this. 
But it's just the the hard 

1118
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:40,540
decisions that you have to make 
and say OK Lord you put me in 

1119
00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:43,190
this position for a reason like 
let me be a vessel. 

1120
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,960
And as I said before I think the
government was nefarious before 

1121
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,330
enough to do this. 
I just never thought that we 

1122
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:52,230
would be in the position that we
are. 

1123
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And I think this is exposed how 
not only how corrupt the 

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government is, but how corrupt 
and broken the criminal justice 

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00:54:00,270 --> 00:54:02,170
system. 
And and you know, in our Pledge 

1126
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:04,910
of Allegiance, at the very end 
of it we say justice for all. 

1127
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:07,830
And it's a sad day in America 
when that is not true. 

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And we say liberty and justice 
for all. 

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00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,190
And there's a lot of people that
don't have a sense of liberty in

1130
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,800
this country right now. 
They feel like they're being 

1131
00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:16,220
oppressed. 
They feel like the message of 

1132
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:19,800
January 6 would stay home, shut 
up, don't do anything that steps

1133
00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:22,040
out of line. 
And unfortunately, it seems like

1134
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,380
a lot of Americans have obeyed 
that command. 

1135
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:26,280
They are now willing to give up 
that liberty. 

1136
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:28,850
What sort of what sort of 
advocacy are you involved in 

1137
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:31,700
that that helps people, you 
know, maintain that voice under 

1138
00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:34,990
that pressure? 
Everybody I say this when I 

1139
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,750
speak a lot, everybody has a 
voice, you know, and and there's

1140
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,310
either people have time or they 
have money most of the time, 

1141
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,030
right. 
And so if they have time and 

1142
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,650
they want to give back to their 
community, they just need to be 

1143
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:48,010
pointed in the right direction 
of how they can help. 

1144
00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:51,330
You know calls to action And and
that's that's what I get asked a

1145
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:53,830
lot is how I can, how somebody 
can help us. 

1146
00:54:53,980 --> 00:54:57,250
And I don't even know sometimes 
because our calls to actions 

1147
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:59,520
change because they're 
conditions change. 

1148
00:54:59,530 --> 00:55:01,810
You know, things change within 
the government, whatever it 

1149
00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:04,710
might be. 
But everybody has a voice and I 

1150
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:08,040
think people in the community 
need to find their local fixer. 

1151
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:11,830
There's 158 of them that are 
incarcerated across America and 

1152
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,680
there's 1200 that have been 
indicted and that number keeps 

1153
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:17,750
rising and there's it's been an 
all 50 states. 

1154
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,620
And I think people need to rally
around them in their local 

1155
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:23,860
community and say, you know, you
stood for us on January 6th. 

1156
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:26,150
So we're going to stand for you 
and your family, whether it's to

1157
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,820
go talk at GOP events, go talk 
at churches. 

1158
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:31,680
Because as people in in the 
comments you said earlier, they 

1159
00:55:31,690 --> 00:55:33,480
don't even know about Roseanne 
Boylan. 

1160
00:55:33,610 --> 00:55:36,680
And what a sad day that is when 
they don't even know that 

1161
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:39,620
somebody was murdered at the 
Capitol because it wasn't aired 

1162
00:55:39,630 --> 00:55:41,750
on TV. 
People need to go do their own 

1163
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,090
research into things and and 
they need to. 

1164
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:47,910
It needs to come down to a local
level because even though we 

1165
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,950
want to fight this on all 
fronts, we're just not able to. 

1166
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,770
And so we need leaders to step 
up and not let this country go 

1167
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:57,580
to the wayside. 
I feel like you're handling this

1168
00:55:57,590 --> 00:56:00,750
with a lot of grace. 
What sort of prayers do you do 

1169
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,440
you OfferUp when you when you 
close your eyes at night? 

1170
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:03,980
What are what does it sound like
when you talk to God? 

1171
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,170
You know, sometimes I'm really 
angry. 

1172
00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:11,530
Sometimes I cry through tears or
I pray through tears, you know, 

1173
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:14,070
because it's just you never know
what the day is going to bring. 

1174
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,590
And you have so much hope that 
you think America is the 

1175
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,070
greatest country in the world. 
And that that's been, you know, 

1176
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,090
that statement to me, it's just 
not true anymore because I've 

1177
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:27,410
seen what it is. 
Could it be the greatest country

1178
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:28,950
in the world? 
It absolutely could. 

1179
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,130
But when we do this to our own 
citizens, it's sickening and 

1180
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:35,350
it's happening to good people. 
I don't think it should happen 

1181
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,610
to anybody, good or bad, but we 
need to treat people like 

1182
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:43,010
humans, you know. 
And so we talk about it all the 

1183
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:44,730
time. 
January 6 should not have 

1184
00:56:44,740 --> 00:56:48,170
happened. 
But I also believe that even if 

1185
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:50,930
it did happen correctly and 
these guys were granted a change

1186
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:53,130
of venue, they were allowed 
evidence and they could have 

1187
00:56:53,140 --> 00:56:55,690
their witnesses, you know, 
whatever it might be look like 

1188
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,530
in the true justice system, we 
wouldn't be sitting here talking

1189
00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:01,210
about it. 
And so, you know, at night, I 

1190
00:57:01,220 --> 00:57:05,250
just pray for strength for the 
American people to to take hold 

1191
00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:07,630
of their country and what they 
feel in their heart is right, 

1192
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,410
whether it's January 6th, COVID 
child trafficking, the borders, 

1193
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:13,920
whatever it might be that they 
feel in their heart that they're

1194
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:17,150
called to do, that the Lord will
give them the strength to do it.

1195
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,550
Because we cannot fight this 
battle alone. 

1196
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,910
We need American patriots to 
come alongside of us. 

1197
00:57:22,450 --> 00:57:24,120
Think it's so true. 
People have to pick one battle. 

1198
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:27,250
We don't have the wherewithal or
the capabilities as as sort of 

1199
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:29,630
simple vessels to do all the 
things at all the times. 

1200
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,570
I really appreciate you sharing 
your story with us today. 

1201
00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:33,950
I really appreciate you getting 
into it. 

1202
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:36,830
Tell people where they can 
support the foundation and you 

1203
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,490
know where you want to be 
followed and how they can get in

1204
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:41,730
touch with you if they need to 
give some support. 

1205
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:44,250
Absolutely. 
So you can go to stand in the 

1206
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,900
Gap Dot foundation. 
Find out more about what we do, 

1207
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:49,010
the different projects that we 
work on. 

1208
00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:52,880
We're also we've joined forces 
with four actually, which is 

1209
00:57:52,890 --> 00:57:55,520
actually Babb's mother's 
foundation to bring awareness. 

1210
00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:59,220
She holds a visual outside of 
the DC gaol every single night 

1211
00:57:59,230 --> 00:58:01,240
to let these men know that 
they're not forgotten. 

1212
00:58:01,370 --> 00:58:04,380
And so all of that is 
encompassed and and stand in the

1213
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:06,880
Gap Foundation. 
And then I'm also on Twitter 

1214
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:10,120
under the real J6 era where we 
will be giving updates about 

1215
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:13,840
what happens in these peoples 
cases, what's going on, Because 

1216
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:16,500
you know a lot of the times 
their battle isn't over after 

1217
00:58:16,510 --> 00:58:19,770
their sentenced moved on, it's 
still going on with appeals. 

1218
00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:22,870
Things are happening within 
their family and until each and 

1219
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,080
every one of them goes home, we 
will still be fighting. 

1220
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:28,570
I could appreciate all that. 
Thanks so much for getting up 

1221
00:58:28,580 --> 00:58:32,000
this morning with us and joining
us on the Kyle Serafin show. 

1222
00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:33,940
Giving that voice out folks, you
can follow those. 

1223
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:36,960
I put the foundation stand in 
the gap dot foundation in the 

1224
00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:38,710
show notes so people can click 
right through there. 

1225
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,980
If you listen on the audio show,
that's what you're missing out 

1226
00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:43,800
on. 
And Sarah, you know our prayers 

1227
00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:45,180
are with you. 
I really think this is a tough 

1228
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:47,720
time but and you guys are you're
at the forefront of something 

1229
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:48,990
very difficult in this country 
for sure. 

1230
00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:52,360
Thank you for having me on and 
allowing us to tell our stories 

1231
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:55,920
and and just as you said, I 
think these men were chosen for 

1232
00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:58,700
such a time as this as I believe
that you were to stand up and 

1233
00:58:58,710 --> 00:59:01,300
and go against everything that 
you thought was to be true. 

1234
00:59:01,370 --> 00:59:02,700
And we need more people like 
you. 

1235
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:04,980
Courage is contagious, and I 
just pray that the American 

1236
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:06,820
people rise up and we take our 
country back. 

1237
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:09,180
I have the same prayer. 
Yes, I do. 

1238
00:59:09,690 --> 00:59:11,260
I hope you have a wonderful day,
folks. 

1239
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:13,330
You've been listening to the 
Kyle Serafin Show here stream 

1240
00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:16,380
live from Liberty Hill, TX. 
It's coming up on 10:30 in the 

1241
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:18,800
morning right now, which means 
it is 9:30 here in Texas. 

1242
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:20,990
America. 
Our chat has been quite 

1243
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,870
liability, including a rumble. 
Sent from Kay Quiet saying 

1244
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,060
thanks for bringing this story 
or attention to this abuse. 

1245
00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:28,020
It is abuse. 
It's abuse of all of our 

1246
00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:29,220
systems. 
This was a system that we 

1247
00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:32,190
thought we could trust and it is
no longer something that most 

1248
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,100
people will trust. 
Whether you're someone like 

1249
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:36,590
Garrido Boyle who's sitting out 
there in the chat and knows that

1250
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,430
the FBI could come for you. 
Or whether you are a law 

1251
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,680
enforcement officer working 
doing your job in America and 

1252
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:44,680
showing up doing what you are 
allowed to do, exercising their 

1253
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:46,880
First Amendment right to protest
and trying to protect fellow 

1254
00:59:46,890 --> 00:59:48,770
officers. 
Really difficult times, 

1255
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:50,670
difficult story to hear, but I 
appreciate you guys sticking 

1256
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,880
with us. 
I want to read one of our five 

1257
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:54,700
star views. 
This show is for you, this 

1258
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:57,260
education. 
This, this transfer of knowledge

1259
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:59,800
for all of you and those of you 
who have been joining us have 

1260
00:59:59,810 --> 01:00:01,980
been leaving us. 
Significant numbers were almost 

1261
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:04,300
at 705 star views. 
This one is written by Norman 

1262
01:00:04,310 --> 01:00:05,370
Biggie. 
If you want to throw that up on 

1263
01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:07,000
the screen, Ryan says learn so 
much. 

1264
01:00:07,010 --> 01:00:09,900
Kyle and his guests are a gusher
of information on things I would

1265
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:12,340
never even think of. 
Highly entertaining and useful. 

1266
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,580
We do try to entertain, but we 
also try to educate you all and 

1267
01:00:15,590 --> 01:00:17,660
I'm very appreciative that you 
guys spend your time with us 

1268
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:20,310
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This show does grow because you 

1269
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,960
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1270
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:24,830
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01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,020
You can share the the rumble 
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01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:29,550
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1273
01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:32,950
By all means, share that with 
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1274
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,440
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1275
01:00:34,450 --> 01:00:35,910
So thanks so much for joining us
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1276
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:38,330
Give Ryan Matta follow at Ryan 
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1277
01:00:38,340 --> 01:00:40,320
M ATA. 
Thanks Ryan for doing the 

1278
01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:41,890
production. 
There he is right there in the 

1279
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:42,790
corner. 
We're in the beanie. 

1280
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,330
He's doing a Tim Pool impression
today. 

1281
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,130
And folks, don't forget to like 
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1282
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:49,370
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01:00:51,050 --> 01:00:53,750
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1285
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,920
We'll see you guys again 
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1286
01:00:56,980 --> 01:01:00,170
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1287
01:01:00,180 --> 01:01:03,540
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1288
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