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Take a look behind the curtain 
with the real whistleblower, an 

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American patriot. 
Prepare to embrace the 

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uncomfortable truth, because 
this program has no time for 

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comforting lies. 
Here is civil liberties 

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enthusiast, Second Amendment 
defender, and recovering FBI 

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agent Kyle Serif. 
Well, hello my friends, and 

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welcome to the Kyle Seraphin 
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Today is Wednesday. 
It is February the 28th. 

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Normally the last day of 
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day of Black History Month, but 
we've got an extra, an extra day

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coming and so we will enjoy the 
entirety of the January 

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extension. 
Folks. 

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I got some housekeeping stuff. 
Number one, I want to let you 

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guys know that we have Mark 
Naughton. 

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You can follow him on Twitter at
Mark Naughton 9. 

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Just the #9 at the end of his 
name and and you can follow me 

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and find him the same way. 
He is en route right now to a 

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democratic socialist of America,
the DSA, apparently burning up 

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the streets going into New York.
They've called the press 

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conference to free Palestine 
lest anything get fiery but 

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mostly peaceful out there. 
We have Mark Naughton en route 

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to try to cover what's going on 
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So told me he was en route to 
the train, and I will check in 

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with him after the show. 
But if you guys are looking for 

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some live action coverage of 
whatever the heck is going on 

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down there, they're usually good
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maybe some foolishness, maybe 
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For those of you who saw what 
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reasonableness, is about the 
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is to say that you don't always 
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talking about law enforcement. 
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orders. 
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standard is that you may not 
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time. 
We're going to get into that 

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specifically in the context of a
video that came to light about a

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A Proud Boy from Kansas. 
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team joining me today. 
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shared this, make sure we get 
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story because I think this is an
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Not everybody knows all the 
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and we're going to be doing that
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Before we do, I want to say 
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about this which I'm going to 
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We used this thing Zofran, which
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prescription box. 
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five foot 8 fat Mexican cholo 
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all over his head and he was 
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we put him on a on auction mask 
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of the way and puking over and 
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to the hospital. 
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hospital and they're like, hey, 
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yeah, man, I just, I couldn't 
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What do you what do you think? 
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I'll never forget that face. 
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I know that's kind of a long 
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I want to say thanks to my 
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Today's Loop. 
Today's loop is outstanding and 

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it covers a lot of the news that
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So if you are missing out on 
your daily dose of news today's 

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loop, we'll get it for you. 
Wednesday the 28th, Trump wins 

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the key states, which is going 
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supposedly carried all 83 
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They're still trying to frame it
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Like a third of the people voted
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That doesn't sound like a win to
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border is a a serious issue, 61%
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goes based on Donald Trump 
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That's almost 2X more based on a
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Venezuela had a drop in crime. 
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started apparently exporting 
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Lots of good stuff in today's 
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loop, and then you can also just
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at Catholic Vote. 
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further ado, it's probably time.
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bring on my guest. 
I'm going to unmute over here. 

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We're going to bring on this 
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Look at this guy. 
Hey Garrett, what are you doing,

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man? 
I'm good. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing really well and I'm 

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looking forward to kind of an 
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So one of the things that came 
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like, oh, OK. 
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SWAT team was. 
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were going to tell me in the 
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So let's do a couple things. 
Let's let's get down this rabbit

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so I kind of kept that a secret.
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He's keeping it secret. 
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They know what you're about. 
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this video that people saw. 
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things that nobody else would be
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briefing that you guys got 
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You want to talk about this, 
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So I took that picture and I was
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So I'd been on SWAT for maybe 
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So this was 2020 is when I tried
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This is February of 21. 
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cannot be on an enter and clear 
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So new guys like I was then we 
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BearCat, we drive other vehicles
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and so I was driving a Suburban 
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of the contrast that I saw 
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poignant stark contrast for me. 
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We've got a story here from the,
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What's the newspaper there? 
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want you to see this is AJ6 
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about what that briefing look 
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It's a little bit hard to watch.
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understand if you're just 
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be basically hearing a SWAT team
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camera. 
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front. 
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outside holding a child. 
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officer or agent that is trying 
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screaming. 
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They're ready. 
They're ready. 

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I'll tell you when you bring him
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Yeah. 
He just had surgery. 

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Nobody in or not. 
What would? 

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Where did you get surgery? 
He just surgery on his left. 

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List. 
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It's OK, buddy. 
It's OK, buddy. 

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Hey, it's OK, buddy. 
He had surgery because he had. 

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He just wanted to be 8 on 
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On Friday, OK. 
He had surgery. 

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Be really careful. 
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of the video. 
There's not much to it that we 

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This was released by the Gateway
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there as sort of an inflammatory
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Let me just start off with the 
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So as I promised, Kansas City 
Star, this is the article and it

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is entitled Former KC area, 
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Veteran gets brief prison time 
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I actually think that's probably
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them do these sort of things. 
It's telling. 

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One, his affiliation with the 
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that's why they built built a 
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Two, he's a decorated Marine 
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That seems important, and his 
prison time is incredibly brief.

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What you're also seeing on there
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He's wearing what looks like 
probably a plate carrier under a

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jacket. 
He's got a helmet on. 

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There's some other individuals 
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pretty familiar to me. 
And the story says that he was 

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accused of conspiring with 
others in the Proud Boys group 

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out of Kansas City to breach the
capital. 

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Then he was sentenced to 75 days
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He received 24 months of 
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detention. 
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arrest and a $2000 restitution. 
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quite a bit more than that. 
He was 50 years old, lived in 

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Olathe. 
Is that right? 

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Did I did I say the right? 
It's been a while. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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That's correct. 
It's Olathe. 

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So charged with multiple 
felonies conspiring. 

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He was charged with multiple 
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convicted of basically a 
misdemeanor. 

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When it gets down to it, because
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looks, you can see you're 
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months. 
They had asked for a six month 

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prison stint, which is still 
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They wanted three years of 
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$2000 restitution. 
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residents in the state of Kansas
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OK, so Garrett, let's do some. 
I'm going to give it to you the 

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whole screen here. 
I want you to kind of explain 

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that morning if you as much as 
you remember of it, the briefing

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and kind of maybe set people up 
on how those things normally 

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went like sort of a a SWAT team 
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like and and kind of paint that 
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Yeah, for sure. 
So I've been thinking about this

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a ton since Kyle sent me the 
link to the video and the Kansas

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City Star piece is, is is a 
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just a little more accurate 
journalism. 

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Like it kind of includes a 
little bit of both sides. 

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The Gateway Pundit piece which 
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definitely a little bit more 
inflammatory and not not as 

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accurate. 
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they would have released more of
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little more context. 
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I'm here. 
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I've been thinking about this a 
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It's really been weighing on me 
now that this is coming out 

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because heading into that day 
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month roughly one month removed 
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to Kansas City usually the the 
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Wichita. 
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who were down in Wichita or 
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whatever we would come up like 
the day before because we that's

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usually when we would do our 
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like I mentioned earlier new 
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going to stage to you know and 
then you know to the target 

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address or whatever. 
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my memory serves and I'm pretty 
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We did three of these J6 cases 
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whatever reason and I think it's
part of the reason why I snapped

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that picture out of the three. 
This was the one that I was 

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like, I don't know, like 
hesitant about or because he's a

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veteran or what, you know, like 
just already may be wondering 

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like, are we getting all the 
details here? 

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Because as just a SWAT guy, you 
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You get what your team leader 
tells you. 

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The case agent often times isn't
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they're doing whatever a case 
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briefing their squad or whatever
and not the SWAT team. 

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So it's all very like bifurcated
and you know you get told he's 

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a, he's a 20 year veteran of the
Marine Corps. 

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He has weapons. 
This is why they asked for SWAT 

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and you know he participated in 
in the in the riot at the 

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Capitol. 
I don't, I don't even know if 

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they were like referring to it 
as an insurrection yet. 

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And you know these type of 
things I I don't remember if 

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this was a direct quote from the
team leader but on these things 

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it would be like something like 
this like they they asked for 

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SWAT because they need us. 
They've determined that this 

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person could potentially be 
violent. 

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Well, what you watch the video? 
No, there's happened. 

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There's always a checklist of 
things that allow you know, 

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weapons present is one of them 
and and we will both go 100% and

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say that feds are cowards about 
weapons. 

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I don't know why that is, but 
like just the presence of a gun 

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in a home is literally one of 
the ticks and it only takes two 

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or three ticks on the little 
checklist for them to do that, a

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violent dog, violent or 
aggressive interactions with law

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enforcement in the past. 
Like there's not very much it 

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takes for the FBI to go and and 
default the SWAT. 

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A lot of that's because they've 
got physical, physical agents 

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that are not capable or they 
don't feel confident to actually

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affect arrest the way that local
police do. 

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Would you agree? 
For sure. 

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I would agree. 
And you know, yeah, I forget 

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exactly when this happened. 
You might remember off the top 

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of your head when those two 
agents were killed in Florida. 

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Then we saw. 
It it was months earlier. 

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OK, that's what I thought. 
Yeah, So that happened at the 

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end of 2020. 
We had a couple of agents that 

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were killed on a different kind 
of arrest warrant. 

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This was a child pornography 
warrant. 

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But I think that's really good 
context too. 

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The agency is incredibly 
overreactive at the FBI as a 

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general whole is so risk averse.
You you folks can never you will

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never be able to appreciate 
that. 

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But what's really, really 
critical about all this stuff 

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too. 
They'll brief a skeleton of the 

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case and it's literally enough 
to say this is the justification

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and This is why we're going into
the federal violation that 

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you're looking for. 
And then as you told me earlier,

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there was an allegation that he 
was manufacturing guns. 

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Do your Is that part of the 
story there? 

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Yeah. 
So that's another part of of 

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this particular incident. 
There was an allegation that he 

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was manufacturing weapons in his
basement and that it was for 

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some reason it was it was 
illegal like he was didn't have 

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an FFLI don't remember entirely 
the details on that part but 

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that was a key part as to why 
they wanted to use SWAT And so 

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and two also in that in that 
time frame there was talk of 

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making half of the Kansas City 
SWAT team full time because 

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there was talk of SWAT after 
those agents were killed in 

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Florida. 
There was talk of SWAT doing 

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every single arrest And so I 
think it is important context 

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but this reason of him 
manufacturing weapons and you 

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know whatever I don't even know 
if it's true based on what the 

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DOJ released about this case. 
I would say that is was not true

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or he was not at least in 
violation of any federal gun law

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because he they didn't charge 
him with any of that and those 

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would certainly. 
Be a No way. 

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Yeah. 
So here's the story. 

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And and this is the other 
problem most federal agents 

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would you agree, are not gun 
people the way that I'm a gun 

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guy A? 
100%. 

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They don't know what they're. 
I would say I'm a gun person 

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more than most of them, and you 
got me beat in droves, so. 

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We always laugh. 
Producer Phil, who helped me 

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start the show, would always 
say, you know, like I'm in the 

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the top, you know, 1% or top 5% 
of all Americans when it comes 

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to gun ownership and competency.
And he was like, you're not even

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on that scale because, you know,
I own, I own more guns than 

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there are fingers in my house. 
And there's six of us. 

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Right. 
Like, that's that's not a ton. 

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Not for real gun people, but. 
And that's also a light 

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estimate, by the way. 
But, but I've got, you know, I I

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go out and buy guns by the three
and four on a regular basis. 

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I spend a significant amount of 
the, the disposable income I 

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have towards that sort of thing.
And then I care about the actual

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technologies, which is not 
common. 

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And so we have people that know 
nothing about gun laws. 

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I've literally accosted agents 
and gotten really dirty looks 

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because I've had people say 
like, you know that we bought 6,

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we bought 6 guns off this guy, 
you know, in California and I'm 

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like 06 guns. 
Like, how long did you buy them 

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over? 
And they're like 6 months and 

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I'm like 6 guns is like a busy 
weekend for me. 

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You know that that would be a 
big weekend if I bought 6 guns 

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in a weekend. 
But I've done it, you know, and 

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these people have never even 
thought about buying their own 

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guns. 
And so the idea and. 

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They're anti. 
They are anti you and any other 

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citizen owning guns, correct. 
I think there are a lot of FBI 

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agents who truly are anti your 
Second Amendment right. 

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They don't. 
Want it And so, so that fear is 

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built into the agency, which is 
a real problem. 

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Now, the the idea that the 
agents don't have to be right, 

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they have to be reasonable. 
Do you want to talk about the 

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context where you've put that 
into my brain? 

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Because I think it's a good it's
a good point. 

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We're going to be balanced about
this. 

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I'm not going to just sit here 
and punch the FBI for what it 

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was and I'm going to say why in 
a second. 

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But I I think it's worth 
discussing that reasonableness 

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standard that you like to to 
quote. 

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. 
I, you know, this is one of the 

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things that has stuck with me 
since my early days in law 

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enforcement. 
So. 

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And I first picked it up in my 
police Academy. 

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My my police chief. 
My my first. 

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Yeah, my police chief from the 
Police Department I worked at 

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was one of the instructors at 
the police Academy I went to. 

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And he would always say you 
don't have to be right, you just

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have to be reasonable. 
And that carried over until once

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I was done with the police 
Academy and working on occasion,

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if there was a bigger incident, 
he would show up in roll call 

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and would say that same type of 
thing like hey, let's play the 

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video, the dash Cam, whatever of
this incident. 

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And he would talk about this 
reasonableness standard. 

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And it is essentially based on 
another law enforcement term, 

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the totality of the 
circumstances. 

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So what you as a law enforcement
officer are Privy to at the 

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time? 
It could prove wrong later. 

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So for, for instance, there was 
a case in Milwaukee years ago. 

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This is another one I picked up 
in in school from a Milwaukee 

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detective. 
This kid had like a Walkman and 

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like, you know, the old tape 
player type and he's not obeying

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an officer's commands. 
It's night time. 

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He ends up like grabbing the 
Walkman. 

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Cop thinks it's a gun. 
Dude's not obeying the commands.

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He gets shot and the cop was 
cleared. 

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You know the cop ended up being 
wrong on on what it actually 

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was, but this reasonableness 
standard is what a reasonable 

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law enforcement officer have 
taken the same or similar action

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under the same set of 
circumstances that you were 

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aware of. 
It's not. 

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It's not that hard to grasp. 
The problem is, is that it's 

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it's when it's wrong, it's so 
egregious to people and they're 

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so. 
That's such a massive difficulty

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for people to really digest that
problem, which is to say you're 

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looking at it with all the facts
and you can't unknown the things

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that you know, right? 
I mean, that's the real issue 

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here. 
It's the same story as people 

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critiquing that guy who was in 
front of the Israeli embassy the

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other day, that that security 
officer or that uniform division

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from Secret Service. 
They only know what they know. 

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They don't know if that guy's a 
fake. 

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They don't know if those are 
real flames. 

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They like they probably can 
smell that the uniform is 

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burning, but they don't know if 
it's a distraction. 

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They don't know if that guy's 
gone in there to suicide himself

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and somebody else is going to be
the problem. 

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So having a weapon out is the 
response that you have. 

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And so people who want to go and
criticize that, it's it's a man 

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in the arena moment. 
The the the man in the arena 

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only knows what the man knows. 
And anybody sitting on the 

451
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,200
sidelines, all they can assess 
was if you were in that same 

452
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,040
situation, would you have done 
the same thing? 

453
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,120
Maybe not. 
But was it reasonable for 

454
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:37,320
someone to act in that manner? 
And that's where we cover down. 

455
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,840
And that's why one month after 
January 6th, the information was

456
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,920
still not very obvious. 
I was still just in the 

457
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,920
situation where they were 
pulling us into the office, 

458
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,440
right. 
We were getting these moments 

459
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,160
where we're getting glimpses of 
what the agency was doing and 

460
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,560
it's starting to look very 
political. 

461
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,560
But is it obvious? 
No. 

462
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,120
I want to talk or have you speak
about a little bit. 

463
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,280
You've been on a number of 
search warrants at this point, 

464
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,600
right? 
You've done, you've done them as

465
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,080
local. 
You've also probably done a 

466
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,840
bunch with the feds, and you did
several a swat, I'm sure. 

467
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:02,840
Right. 
Yeah. 

468
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,200
I mean, I don't. 
I couldn't even tell you at this

469
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,040
point how many combined I've 
done. 

470
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,080
How many houses did you go into 
that were that nice? 

471
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,360
How many neighborhoods you drive
into that look that way? 

472
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,000
Let's talk about. 
That's one of the big contrast 

473
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,960
that strikes me. 
I've been on a bunch. 

474
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,000
I've been on, you know, close to
100 search warrants. 

475
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,560
I think. 
I've never seen that 

476
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,920
neighborhood taken down, right? 
This was another thing I think 

477
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,960
that played a part for me, 
because that's exactly right, 

478
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,200
that type of neighborhood. 
And and look, let's be frank, 

479
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,600
can people who live in nice 
neighborhoods commit crimes? 

480
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:41,000
Absolutely they can. 
But in my experience, very, 

481
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,400
very, very, very, very seldom to
be in the neighborhood that 

482
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,480
nice. 
It was a new neighborhood. 

483
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:52,640
Olathe is is a relatively 
prominent suburb of Kansas City 

484
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,920
on the Kansas side and it's 
yeah, it's a nice community it 

485
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,080
So that was another one of the 
things where it's like, hmm is 

486
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,400
this adding up you know like 
what is actually going on here 

487
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,400
And now look if you go and read 
that Kansas City Star article 

488
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,520
there's some parts in there 
where where Christopher I think 

489
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,520
you say it CUNY. 
I think Christopher Cuny is 

490
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,720
communicating with the CHS but 
then later and CHS says, yeah, 

491
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,200
actually the only thing we did 
while we were in the Capitol 

492
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,800
was, was pick up trash and he 
was kind of directing us to do 

493
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,280
that type of thing. 
And then what happens, the FBI 

494
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,240
burns that CHS. 
So like I didn't know that then.

495
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,840
I didn't. 
I don't even know if I knew that

496
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,640
he was communicating with the 
CHS or that the CHS was with him

497
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,800
and his group from Kansas at the
Capitol. 

498
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,920
But but yes, Olathe that 
community. 

499
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,880
So this is another thing that 
stood out actually. 

500
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,760
And this didn't happen very 
often. 

501
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,600
That picture that I took that 
you showed earlier on the other 

502
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,600
side of the BearCat, there's a 
house like in the in the in the 

503
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:57,520
background there, the owner of 
that house came out and was 

504
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,440
basically accosting us for being
there and saying get the F out 

505
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,280
of here. 
And he was like an older you 

506
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,240
know, white guy. 
And I remember thinking like I 

507
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,800
wonder if he's right. 
Like he probably knows his 

508
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,640
neighbor better than we do. 
And like that stuck with me too.

509
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,200
And like, you know, you go in 
the hood and you get accosted 

510
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,600
all the time. 
But for some there there is a 

511
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,600
definite there was a contrast 
there. 

512
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,080
And I remember like a sense of 
uneasiness. 

513
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,560
This is partly why I took that 
picture and just knowing that it

514
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,520
is compartmentalized on purpose 
and then thinking, did my SWAT 

515
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,600
team leader do his due 
diligence? 

516
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240
Should I have gone digging in 
the case file? 

517
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,760
What did the case agent, How did
the case agent pitch this? 

518
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,920
What type of creative report 
writing was he engaged in to to 

519
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,920
manufacture that like this is? 
These are things I've been 

520
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,640
thinking the last couple days, 
especially since that video 

521
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,040
came. 
Out. 

522
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,280
And This is why you and I are in
the situation we're in, because 

523
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,960
we have that moment of self 
reflection. 

524
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
It's something that the agency, 
the FBI in general seems wholly 

525
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,280
unprepared to do. 
There are very small number of 

526
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,760
people that are doing it and and
yesterday's conversation with 

527
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Victor Avila, I brought up 
something that has is haunting 

528
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,640
me right now because an agent 
reached out to me and said we 

529
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,320
are the modern day slave 
patrols. 

530
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,080
I want that to sink in for 
people that are listening at 

531
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,520
this exact moment. 
I had an FBI agent tell me that 

532
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,320
on evaluation of what they are 
doing because of the Biden 

533
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,040
border policy and because of the
way that the FBI operates, 

534
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,760
compartmentalized as it is, they
he's, he's calling them a slave 

535
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,880
patrol. 
So if you don't know what the 

536
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,120
slave patrols were, essentially 
as slaves began escaping from 

537
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:41,400
various places in the South, the
slave patrols were early 

538
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,320
mechanisms of law enforcement 
that would round up those slaves

539
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,520
that escaped and it would bring 
them back to the slave owners. 

540
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,640
Now here's the context that that
this is the case. 

541
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,120
The individual that reached out 
to me stated that they are 

542
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,440
running down kidnapped, quote UN
quote, kidnapped or missing and 

543
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,280
runaway young girls. 
And those young girls are 

544
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,320
illegal. 
They're here illegally. 

545
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,680
They have no documentation that 
says that they are tied to the 

546
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,120
person that reported them 
missing. 

547
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,640
And so the FBI does what it 
does. 

548
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,240
It actually runs down. 
It's very good at finding 

549
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,440
people, which is why the the 
Pipe Bomber case is so unusual 

550
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,760
to this, like they're really 
good at finding human beings and

551
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,120
the Marshall service is part of 
it as well. 

552
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840
They are catching these girls 
that have run away or that are 

553
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,000
kidnapped, quote UN quote, 
kidnapped, and they are bringing

554
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
them back to somebody. 
But unlike under the Trump 

555
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,960
administration where there was a
familial DNA test between the 

556
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,600
people that came across the 
border, this is my daughter. 

557
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,920
This is my child, OK? 
We swab and verify. 

558
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,400
Oh no, that's not true. 
They're not doing that anymore. 

559
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,760
So there's no way to justify or 
validate that this person has 

560
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,640
any claim to this child. 
And they are being returned. 

561
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,320
And the the young girls, you 
know, 1213141516 are looking 

562
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,080
awfully upset about it. 
And the agents are having this 

563
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,320
sinking feeling that they are 
participating in evil and they 

564
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,400
are the modern day slave 
patrols. 

565
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,800
If that is the case, and it's 
sexual slavery, not forced 

566
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000
labour, chattel slavery like we 
saw in the the American South, 

567
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,360
that's an incredible problem. 
It it is. 

568
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,120
But it's compartmentalized, as 
you just said. 

569
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,080
It's compartmentalized, which is
a a huge part of the problem. 

570
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,400
And then so think you just 
mentioned it. 

571
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,640
This is why you and I are now in
the position we're in at a time 

572
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,440
I wasn't saying to anybody, 
like, hey, what do you think 

573
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
about this? 
Do you think this is legit? 

574
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,480
I would say, and if I was a 
betting man, I would bet that I 

575
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,040
was not the only person who had 
questions about this that were 

576
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,000
unanswered or like that sense of
unease. 

577
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760
But we all just did it. 
You know, we've talked about 

578
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,960
driving the train the the the 
driver, the train conductor for 

579
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,880
the Holocaust. 
Like I drove the train that day 

580
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:55,640
is is how I've been looking at 
it and it pisses me off. 

581
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,920
Kyle it and it and it it makes 
me really upset really angry 

582
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,720
really ashamed and OK OK you 
didn't know you didn't know at 

583
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760
the time. 
Well I I don't know I I don't 

584
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,120
buy that. 
I honestly like, I actually want

585
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,640
to ask the CUNY family for 
forgiveness today. 

586
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:21,000
And because you saw that video 
that his wife running out there 

587
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000
with their child, there's also 
reports that she miscarried the 

588
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,480
next day. 
I have no reason to doubt that. 

589
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,680
I don't know if she's pregnant 
or not, but that's that's what's

590
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,640
being reported. 
And if that's true, it's even 

591
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,080
more horrifying. 
No. 

592
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,440
It's the worst thing that could 
happen. 

593
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,520
It's a baby that was sacrificed 
for what? 

594
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,560
A case agent grabbing a stat or 
some fear that federal agents 

595
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,440
had of doing their job. 
Do you know if he was given an 

596
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,960
opportunity to surrender? 
I I'm not. 

597
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,120
I'm guessing not, but I'm. 
I don't know. 

598
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,560
I don't know. 
But this is where the plot 

599
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,840
thickens a little bit more. 
So he was sentenced to 75 days, 

600
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,320
which makes me question even 
more so three years later it 

601
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,880
took him and he gets 75 days. 
Did we really actually need to 

602
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520
be there in the 1st place? 
I would assert to you today that

603
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,400
the answer is no, and then even 
more so, to bolster that by the 

604
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,720
time he does come out, 'cause 
she is, she came out and she is.

605
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,440
I don't think my memory serves 
correctly. 

606
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Nobody went to the door. 
There's announcements from the 

607
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,680
BearCat. 
There's the negotiators trying 

608
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,400
to call and then she comes out 
with the child and it's like 

609
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,240
yelling at us and saying like, 
you know, he's disabled or he 

610
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,640
just had surgery or something 
like that. 

611
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,280
By the time Christopher Cuny 
comes out, his arm is in a sling

612
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,760
and it's like case agent didn't 
brief us up on that. 

613
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520
You really think the guy who 
just had shoulder surgery or 

614
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,880
whatever happened is is a 
threat? 

615
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,400
If you really think that you 
can't put Kansas City SOG on the

616
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520
House for a week and find his 
pattern of life and say, hey, 

617
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,680
the best time to intervene, Oh, 
by the way, he's got he's got 

618
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,000
his shoulder in a sling. 
Right. 

619
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,880
He just got out of the surgical 
facility and looked like he was 

620
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
not driving and he was limping 
along or whatever the situation 

621
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,800
is, which, which is which is 
SOP. 

622
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,720
If you're dealing with someone 
that is a real threat. 

623
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,360
Right. 
And so it's like there and and 

624
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040
look I also will say I was on 
SWOT. 

625
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,680
There is a time and a place for 
SWOT, but there is we need to be

626
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,680
doing these things better than 
than we are and and and we're 

627
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,280
not doing them appropriately 
anymore. 

628
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,600
And you mentioned the the 
slavery connection and you won't

629
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,520
be surprised and probably people
in the audience won't be either.

630
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,440
There's a huge Holocaust 
connection here too and it's 

631
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Holocaust Memorial Museum 101 on
their website. 

632
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,360
They have a ton of resources 
there. 

633
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,760
I'll just read a little bit from
it. 

634
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Nazi leaders relied on local 
police in Germany and across 

635
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,640
Europe to help carry out the 
Holocaust. 

636
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Many police officers were not 
Nazis or extremists. 

637
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,160
That that's the same with the 
FBI and police. 

638
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,920
They were not Nazis or 
extremists. 

639
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,840
They are not Nazis or 
extremists, nevertheless. 

640
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Nevertheless, they often 
arrested Jews or fill in the 

641
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,440
blank today J Sixers or whatever
helped deport them to camps. 

642
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,560
Well, the DC Gulag and killed 
them in mass shootings. 

643
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,520
We're not quite there yet. 
Well, I guess say that to the 

644
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,240
guy in Utah that FBI SWAT killed
a few months back this Some 

645
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,760
acted out a deep hatred, while 
others claimed to be following 

646
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,680
orders. 
Opportunities to advance in the 

647
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720
workplace, bonds with other 
officers and a sense of duty 

648
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,320
also led many to join in the 
persecution. 

649
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,720
I mean, honestly, you just 
changed a few words. 

650
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,520
Yeah, that's today. 
That's the FBI. 

651
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,040
That's where we are. 
That's where I was that day. 

652
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,720
This is what I want people to 
understand because it's it's a 

653
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,440
it's a very subtle concept. 
This is not a Fox News hit. 

654
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
This is not a 3 minutes on 
national television where we 

655
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280
just say something and we say 
it's really bad, like we should 

656
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,400
be outraged. 
No, this is actually much more 

657
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,560
troubling because we're talking 
about his betrayal. 

658
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,040
It's the same thing that I 
talked about with Victor 

659
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,920
yesterday. 
And if you guys didn't listen to

660
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,200
that interview, definitely go 
listen to it. 

661
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,840
Apparently it was moving for 
some of you. 

662
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,320
It's all old hat to me. 
But the information about what's

663
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,040
happening at our border, it's 
the same betrayal that when the 

664
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,680
government would you have given 
trust you and you've offered to 

665
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880
be an agent of the government. 
That's literally what we're 

666
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000
talking about here. 
As an agent of the government, 

667
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,040
you believe that they will 
judiciously deploy you where you

668
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,520
may have to use deadly force, 
where you're going to use the 

669
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,560
physical capabilities, the long 
arm of the law to draw people 

670
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800
in. 
And that you will not be abused 

671
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
because the thing that you bring
to bear is both terrifying and 

672
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,600
awesome at the same time. 
And for an agency to lightly use

673
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,800
that force, which is in fact an 
incredible strong force, it's 

674
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,120
very, it's very damaging to the 
trust of those within it. 

675
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,160
That's why FBI morale right now 
is so low. 

676
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Many people at that time where 
Garrett was at did not know, 

677
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,160
could not know. 
It is compartmentalized. 

678
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,400
And so the the question is this,
at that time can we really say 

679
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,320
that the people that were on 
that raid that went in and did 

680
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,840
the thing they were being 
ordered under, they have a a 

681
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,080
judges order to to effect an 
arrest. 

682
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960
They've been briefed that this 
person is a threat and they have

683
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,720
no reason to doubt otherwise 
today. 

684
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280
They have no reason to believe 
otherwise and that's a big 

685
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,080
difference as time goes on that 
reasonableness standard like is 

686
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400
it reasonable to assume that the
case agent who hasn't lied to 

687
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,560
you before, who has given you 
other cases to go do work on is 

688
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,040
in fact telling you that this is
a problem? 

689
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,480
Have we arrested people that are
legitimately threatening? 

690
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Yes. 
Have we brought people into 

691
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,440
custody that might have 
surrendered but you don't know 

692
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,120
and it's much better to do 
overwhelming force. 

693
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Absolutely. 
Can you believe that today about

694
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,400
this? 
I'm going to read some stuff 

695
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,720
from the from the article real 
quick, Garrett. 

696
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,600
So I'll give you a breather as 
we pick out the camera. 

697
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,200
I want to read this because the 
stuff that's on the screen right

698
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,880
now folks is really, really 
important. 

699
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,960
This is what was the the fairest
take on it. 

700
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,160
I think it says that it says 
that six people were charged 

701
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,880
with conspiracy including this 
this gentleman Chris Cooney. 

702
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,160
They were charged with 
conspiracy, obstruction of 

703
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,040
official proceedings, civil 
disorder, and anting, and 

704
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,640
remaining in a restricted 
building and grounds. 

705
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640
There was also a guy named 
Cressman whose first name, 

706
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
William Cressman. 
Bill Cressman was also charged 

707
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
with threatening to assault a 
federal officer and carrying a 

708
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,480
wooden axe handle. 
Again, this insurrection 

709
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,000
narrative falls apart just on 
its own weight. 

710
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,400
With that stupidity, the 
interesting part I think that I 

711
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,800
wrote down is that in the the 
charging documents they they 

712
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,440
were talking about Cooney 
stressing the importance of 

713
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,639
having recognizable identifiers 
such as a piece of reflective 

714
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,040
tape that would allow members of
the group to recognize each 

715
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,239
other. 
This was the piece that they 

716
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,920
were hinging the quote UN quote 
conspiracy to do whatever they 

717
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,080
were doing. 
They were obviously 

718
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,080
conspiratorial. 
Why? 

719
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,600
Because they were bringing 
orange tape. 

720
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Do you know who else uses 
reflective tape? 

721
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,000
Garrett. 
In in these settings. 

722
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,360
In in large crowd settings. 
Law. 

723
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,800
Enforcement. 
That's exactly right. 

724
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,920
The the the national special 
security event protocols that 

725
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,719
the Secret Service push out 
requires that everybody who is 

726
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,440
going to be federal law 
enforcement and that is going to

727
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,760
be on the same blue, blue, blue 
team they going to, they're 

728
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,320
going to put a piece of tape 
that is unique. 

729
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,400
Usually it's like some kind of 
Chevron pattern. 

730
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,760
It's either black and white or 
it's orange and white or it's 

731
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,239
orange and red or it's purple. 
It's it's something specific to 

732
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,199
identify the slide of the weapon
as a law enforcement weapon on 

733
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,080
both sides. 
So if it's drawn and it's 

734
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,679
presented, in fact you guys were
speculating whether or not I 

735
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,080
have guns right next to me, of 
course I do. 

736
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,400
So let me just show this. 
So I've got this 1911 right here

737
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,240
and it's clear. 
Safe. 

738
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,640
I think that's what they do on 
the YouTube thing, right. 

739
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,280
So clear, safe. 
They put a thing right here on 

740
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,800
the outside of the slide where 
it's visible. 

741
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,120
So as the barrel is pointed 
forward, anybody who's seeing it

742
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,440
laterally is going to see that 
there is in fact reflective tape

743
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,520
on here and on here. 
So any angle that you were to 

744
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,160
see, you'd see this retro 
reflective tape, which is really

745
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,600
important and critical. 
They want you to know, they want

746
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,120
to identify who you are. 
And so identifying your friend 

747
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,880
or foe in a group is standard. 
In fact, the military does it, 

748
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480
law enforcement does it. 
It is IFF is what it's called, 

749
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,240
is a is a regular operational 
situation. 

750
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,120
They they accuse this guy of 
being in a conspiracy because of

751
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,320
that. 
Now here's the other thing this 

752
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,360
like I said, this is a very fair
article, it says. 

753
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,520
It's the most fair I've I've 
come across because like I said,

754
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,800
I've been. 
This has been weighing on me 

755
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,720
since you first sent me that 
video a few days ago. 

756
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,080
So Garrett actually sent me this
particular article. 

757
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,000
So in the days after the riot, 
the government document says 

758
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
that he can. 
Cooney destroyed evidence of the

759
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,320
crime. 
Evidence of the crime, which was

760
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,320
what? 
That they walked around and then

761
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,560
his own sentencing memorandum is
very different than what the 

762
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,280
government's argument was. 
Here's the government's 

763
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,080
argument. 
They said he was an exceptional 

764
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,160
child who at the age of nine 
saved his two year old sister 

765
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,080
from a burning car and began 
working at the age of 13. 

766
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,320
He served multiple tours of duty
in the military, became a 

767
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,160
decorated Marine veteran. 
Many of the awards included a 

768
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Purple Heart, and he was the one
who gave the actual commands for

769
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,960
the 21 gun salute at President 
Ronald Reagan's private funeral,

770
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,600
which is to say he was in the 
honor guard there, which is a 

771
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,360
very specific type of honor. 
He joined the Proud Boys because

772
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,120
they were supposed to help 
protect patriots from violent 

773
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,680
groups like Antifa. 
That's not a bad thing in and of

774
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,840
itself. 
That's an important distinction.

775
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,640
I'm going to keep running 
through this article only just 

776
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,000
because I wanted. 
I want to color it with the 

777
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
information that we know at the 
time and the information we find

778
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
out afterwards. 
Government said that he entered 

779
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,720
the Capitol. 
I'm sorry. 

780
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,760
He argued that he entered the 
Capitol to safeguard property 

781
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,560
and then disassociate himself 
with the Proud Boys. 

782
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,080
After that, he stopped an 
individual from stealing an item

783
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,280
from the US Capitol building, 
stopped people from breaking 

784
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120
items, made people clean up 
trash, and stopped a man from 

785
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,400
smoking marijuana in one of the 
offices in the Capitol building.

786
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,600
OK, the filing mentions. 
This is the part that I find 

787
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,840
really damning. 
And Garrett, I'm going to get 

788
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,240
you to comment on this having 
we've run sources, We know what 

789
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,800
this is about. 
Cody's filing mentions an FBI 

790
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,840
informant who's referred to as 
Aaron, who traveled to 

791
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Washington, DC with the KC Proud
Boys group and participated in 

792
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,800
the riot with him. 
The document says. 

793
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Aaron asked Cooney to help him 
move a podium inside the US 

794
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,800
Capitol and the two placed it 
under a metal gate as it was 

795
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,400
closing. 
Aaron later explained to his FBI

796
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,480
handlers the reason they moved 
the podium was to prevent 

797
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,200
rioters from tearing it down. 
They use the metal pieces and 

798
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,440
use the metal pieces of the gate
as weapons, so they were trying 

799
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,280
to stop that sort of violence, 
he said. 

800
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,360
Quote about Christopher Cooney. 
He made people pick up trash and

801
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,360
he helped de escalate the 
standoff with cops. 

802
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,840
So what the happens after that? 
The FBI burns the source, and we

803
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,920
both know how interesting it is 
this this particular source was 

804
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,880
actually used in another 
criminal case with another J6 

805
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520
defendant, and now they're like,
well, he's not credible. 

806
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,320
He's obviously not credible 
because he's not helping our 

807
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,960
case. 
Not that we care about truth or 

808
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,680
honesty. 
Maybe he was being honest. 

809
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Sounds honest. 
Sounds like what we saw. 

810
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,720
So that's the part that I want 
to know. 

811
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,000
I would like to see that that 
CHS closing document, what did 

812
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,600
you actually close them for? 
Because he was telling you the 

813
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
truth and you didn't like it 
because it was going against 

814
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,800
your case, because you're more 
concerned about an arrest and a 

815
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,720
stat and an A disruption because
oh, it's terrorism. 

816
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
This is domestic terrorism. 
So we we'll get we we'll get a 

817
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:29,280
disruption on it too. 
And and oh man, the CHS is just 

818
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
reporting to me like they always
have, but. 

819
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,080
This time it's not convenient. 
It's not convenient. 

820
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,320
It's not good for my case. 
So you know what? 

821
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,000
I'm gonna find a way to shut 
them down. 

822
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,440
And quite frankly, that's what 
I'm assuming at this point. 

823
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,760
I I How can you trust anything 
we're being told from the DOJ? 

824
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,720
How can you trust anything 
they're saying about Christopher

825
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,720
Cuny or about the CHS, Aaron? 
Because here's what I bet you 

826
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,720
not. 
I bet. 

827
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,520
I guarantee you this is what 
happened. 

828
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Aaron. 
Hey, my group. 

829
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,240
Where we're going to January 
6th. 

830
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,760
Yeah, you know, I remember you 
asked me about that the other 

831
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,600
day because now Aaron wouldn't 
know this, But you and I know 

832
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
this. 
The FBI, you know, they they 

833
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,560
asked if anybody was going. 
And so the agent handling him 

834
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,120
says, hey Aaron, are you going 
to January 6th? 

835
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,720
Maybe maybe even prompt your 
group to go or maybe they had 

836
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,040
already decided, I don't know, 
whatever Aaron gets paid to go, 

837
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,840
he gets his, he gets his lodging
and his food and all of that 

838
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,200
taken care of. 
And then he probably gets a few 

839
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,560
$1000 or more on top of it when 
he comes back and says, hey, 

840
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,080
yeah, I think we got a case on 
the guys I was with because this

841
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,360
is what they did. 
Oh, and by the way, Aaron at the

842
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,840
time is covered because he 
probably got an OIA otherwise 

843
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,640
illegal activity authorization. 
So he's covered to to break the 

844
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080
law, but the guys he's with are 
not. 

845
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,760
Oh, but now he's saying, hey, 
actually we're just picking up 

846
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,080
trash. 
We were he was de escalating 

847
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,680
with the police. 
We were trying to stop people 

848
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,680
from using this this podium or 
whatever as a weapon and oh, 

849
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,320
that's not good for my case. 
So you know what? 

850
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,720
I'm gonna figure out a way to 
burn you down. 

851
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,680
That is the most plausible 
scenario. 

852
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,760
Now this is not unique. 
This is the reason why I want to

853
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,360
share this and why this was so 
important to me. 

854
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,960
Steve Friend had a similar 
experience on SWOT that you did.

855
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,080
The case brief did not match up 
to the threat on the ground. 

856
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,760
And so again, the concept of 
reasonableness, what you were 

857
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,360
told, what you knew at the time 
is the only way that we can 

858
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,320
evaluate those people. 
And unfortunately, I think 

859
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,240
unfortunately for most members 
of the public, they're never 

860
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,520
going to hear what was briefed 
to the team at the time. 

861
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,440
The the team looks like the 
jackbooted thugs. 

862
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,520
They look like the demons. 
They look like the people that 

863
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760
are enacting and are the 
physical manifestation of evil. 

864
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,240
But that's not necessarily a 
fair assessment and that's what 

865
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,560
part of what I do, part of what 
we are able to do now in a way 

866
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,480
that nobody else has probably 
been able to do in a long time. 

867
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Steve was given a brief on the 
Gretchen Whitmer case when they 

868
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,920
participated in a multi state, 
multi regional SWAT operation to

869
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,440
bring these guys down and they 
were shown videos. 

870
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,000
They were obviously like YouTube
highlight reels of like how 

871
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000
badass these guys were to the 
point where as Steve has said it

872
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
in interviews with me before 
they they got very, very 

873
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,880
serious. 
They described them as near 

874
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,360
pier, which is a really lame 
term, but near pier is someone 

875
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,040
that has the skill set that you 
do if you were going against a 

876
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,960
near pier force. 
Those are people that have 

877
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,520
training capabilities, 
operational weapon systems that 

878
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,640
have tactics that mirror your 
own. 

879
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,920
And so you were in what I would 
call like a fair fight, which is

880
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,600
the opposite of what law 
enforcement is looking for when 

881
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960
they do SWOT operations, right. 
We're trying to overwhelm. 

882
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,200
So Steve had that same moment 
and the minute that they put the

883
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,080
guy into custody and they're 
like basically this guy's 

884
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,440
Officer Doofy and he basically 
is a mentally struggling, you 

885
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,760
know, destitute human being who 
has absolutely no ability to do 

886
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160
the things that they showed us 
in that video, we were conned. 

887
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,960
And in the same way, I believe 
when somebody tells you that if 

888
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,000
they bring up the concept that 
this guy's manufacturing weapons

889
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,840
in his basement, like, that's 
somehow a problem, you probably 

890
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,360
didn't know at the time that 
that's not a federal crime to 

891
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,320
manufacture weapons. 
As long as they're personal use,

892
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,760
you can manufacture all you 
want. 

893
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,600
And I've done it. 
I've made polymer 80s. 

894
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,280
I've gone out there. 
You can build all kinds of you 

895
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,840
can go and get a pipe, you can 
cut it and you can put a, you 

896
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,600
know, a primer striker on it and
you can set up a chamber and you

897
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,640
can shoot it out of a pipe. 
You can make a pipe shotgun if 

898
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,960
you like. 
That's legal. 

899
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,520
That's American. 
There's a long tradition of of 

900
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,400
creating your own weapons, but 
when presented. 

901
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Say that they added something 
like he was selling them or you 

902
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,840
know they had auto sears or what
something to make it a crime. 

903
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,760
Which we know they would have 
charged him with if that was the

904
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,760
case. 
Right. 

905
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,080
So, yeah, So obviously not the 
case. 

906
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,040
And then two, yeah, him being in
the sling, like it's just like 

907
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,960
how, how, how did nobody know 
that or did they and not tell 

908
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,920
us? 
And then two, like you said, 

909
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,920
like, yeah, I had no reason to 
doubt my team leader. 

910
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,200
I why would I? 
Why would I have I at that point

911
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,040
in those first six months I'd 
probably been on? 

912
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,760
Keywords at that point. 
And that's really what it comes 

913
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,160
down to. 
We have to look at the time and 

914
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,800
the circumstances and and a lot 
of this I'm hammering home is 

915
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
reasonableness. 
A lot of it is ignorance too. 

916
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,920
I was, I've told people that I 
like. 

917
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,080
In 2017 I got a briefing about 
the members of the far right or 

918
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,440
the alt right and it was so 
absurdly stupid, included Proud 

919
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,880
Boys stuff. 
I'm going to show you what's in 

920
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,760
this article too. 
What the what the government 

921
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,600
argued and what's reality and so
we'll do this real quick from 

922
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,040
the from the KC Star article. 
So folks if you're seeing on the

923
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,280
screen right now what we're this
is a little bit more of that 

924
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,880
quotation. 
The government filed a motion on

925
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,640
Thursday saying that the 
informant who testified also in 

926
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Ethan Nordeen's trial who's been
on the show was an unreliable 

927
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,400
witness and the credibility of 
his reporting was impeached on 

928
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,560
several issues. 
Obviously the court should view 

929
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,880
it with skepticism. 
He was a participant then. 

930
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,160
They also said that one of the 
issues was that there was a text

931
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,280
message that Chris Cooney 
received and the text message 

932
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,560
said he received his first 
degree on the evening of January

933
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,600
6th. 
It's a celebration of his 

934
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,000
participation, not a disavowal 
of what happened there. 

935
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,880
It said that his phone contained
a deleted message on January 6th

936
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,280
from the riot up for where the 
sender congratulates, 

937
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,920
congratulates him and says 
Congrats on the first degree. 

938
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,680
In other words, being a first 
level formal proud boy in the 

939
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,560
initiation. 
So that sounds really 

940
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,400
incriminating that he got. 
First of all, he didn't send it.

941
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,000
He didn't say give me my first 
degree. 

942
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Someone else sent it, which you 
are not responsible for in this 

943
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,080
country. 
But more importantly, I pulled 

944
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,680
this from Business Insider. 
How a boy or how man becomes a 

945
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,480
boy. 
This is a really, really one 

946
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,240
sided article by the way. 
It's called We Are the Proud 

947
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,800
Boys and it's this garbage 
Business Insider piece. 

948
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,640
But it said, based on extensive 
research and information gleaned

949
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,440
from left wing informants within
the organization, possibly the 

950
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,760
gayest paragraph ever written by
someone who believes that 

951
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,320
they're a reporter. 
The Senior editor at the 

952
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,480
HuffPost says that there are 4 
tiers of membership within the 

953
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,960
Proud Boys. 
By the way, you could also just 

954
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,640
live it. 
Listen to Gavin McGinnis, who's 

955
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,720
talked about this long form in 
very open form. 

956
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,720
If you don't need a freaking 
left wing informant, just listen

957
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,000
to him talking to people like 
Joe Rogan or any of the other 

958
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,800
podcast that he went on 'cause 
he talked about this a lot. 

959
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,280
The first degree that you 
receive as a Proud Boy, so they 

960
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,200
have degrees one through 4, is 
that you declare allegiance to 

961
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,840
the Proud Boys Open and often 
online and in your personal 

962
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,440
life, all those are options. 
In other words, you basically 

963
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920
just say, yeah, I'm a Proud Boy,
so you and I could be first 

964
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,960
degree Proud Boys right now on 
the show. 

965
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,520
That's how that's how exclusive 
that that first degree is. 

966
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,480
The first degree was that he 
basically participated in 

967
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,720
something with them publicly, 
which you're allowed to, it 

968
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:27,760
turns out, in America. 
And for the FBI, the case agent,

969
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,560
the AUSA, whoever, including 
that little bit taken out of 

970
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,280
context. 
And they wonder why we don't 

971
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,080
trust them. 
They wonder why we can't trust 

972
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,880
them. 
They wonder why people like us 

973
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,040
came forward and said, you know,
there's actually a lot of things

974
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,640
going on going pretty haywire 
inside the DOJ, inside the FBI. 

975
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,800
Well, it's because of crap like 
that. 

976
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Like you're you're plucking this
out to try to prove your point, 

977
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,080
but the broader context reveals 
that you're nothing but a lying 

978
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,640
piece of garbage when you have 
this noble, allegedly noble duty

979
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,720
to uphold the Constitution of 
the United States. 

980
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,320
And you're lying. 
And in this case, I would say 

981
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,680
it's even worse. 
It's worse than me saying your 

982
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,480
your live on air sign behind you
is is red when we all know it's 

983
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,960
blue. 
That's a direct lie. 

984
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,960
But they're deceiving here by 
pulling that text. 

985
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,920
And that's even worse because I 
asked my daughters this. 

986
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,880
There's the father of lies. 
I I got the red 10. 

987
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,120
That one's red. 
Yeah, that one's red. 

988
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,560
I don't want to make you a liar,
but go ahead. 

989
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
You got it covered. 
I got you the who's the father 

990
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,520
of lies. 
It's Satan. 

991
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,640
And that deception, and that 
twisting is, is, is from the 

992
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,840
pits of hell, man, When you're 
supposed to uphold the truth, 

993
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,680
when you're supposed to uphold 
justice. 

994
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,880
And it's like, well, any little 
piece that I can twist and turn 

995
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,760
to try to make this person the 
evil wicked felon that he is 

996
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,880
when everybody knows, well, now 
that they aren't. 

997
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,040
And what's going to happen to 
that case, agent? 

998
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,800
What's going to happen to that 
AUSA? 

999
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Nothing. 
Nothing. 

1000
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,360
I I didn't want to leave you on 
the on the the line here by 

1001
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,600
yourself as the only person 
that's ever done these things 

1002
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,240
where you participate in the 
case and feel like you were 

1003
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,280
deceived. 
So I'm going to share one of 

1004
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,360
mine. 
It's one that bothers me and and

1005
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,560
I think it's really important 
that we do it. 

1006
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,960
First let me just say thanks to 
my buddies at Patriot Cooler who

1007
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,120
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As far as I can tell, they have 

1008
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,960
actually provided a wonderful 
product and they've been 

1009
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480
supporting our show since 
February of last year which is 

1010
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,560
incredible. 
Go to patriotcoolers.com. 

1011
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,720
This is my mug that I'm drinking
from right now. 

1012
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,680
This is the 16 ounce. 
It's actually fantastic if 

1013
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,200
you're not going to take it in a
vehicle because it will not fit 

1014
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,480
in most cup holders 16 ounce 
coffee mug says Patriot right on

1015
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,760
the side, 50 stars in the 
bottom. 

1016
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,200
They have an outstanding design.
You can also see the Seraphin 

1017
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,680
family minivan cram full of 
groceries. 

1018
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,560
We carry our Patriot 50 quart 
hard sided every single day. 

1019
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,880
There's more times that my wife 
gets into one of these moments 

1020
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,400
where she's like, hey, I want to
go to the grocery store, but I 

1021
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,360
also have to run another errand 
and the idea that we could 

1022
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,200
actually put the temperature 
controlled stuff in there. 

1023
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,480
You guys, if you're not doing 
that with your coolers, you're 

1024
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,040
missing out on an interesting 
opportunity. 

1025
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,880
Takes up a lot of space, but 
it's totally worthwhile. 

1026
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,480
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code is Kyle, Kyle again. 

1027
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,080
Kyle is the promo code to save 
yourself 10%. 

1028
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,880
If you spend 50 bucks or more, 
you're going to get free 

1029
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,480
shipping. 
They've got backpack coolers, 

1030
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,400
they've got soft sided coolers, 
you can carry your luncheon, 

1031
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,400
they've got the hard sided one 
that you just saw obviously. 

1032
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,280
And then they've got all the 
different Tumblr products which 

1033
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,440
are outstanding. 
They go head to head with Yeti 

1034
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,440
or Stanley or anybody else and 
they are as good that are 

1035
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,680
better. 
I think they're better, they 

1036
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,080
look better and they say 
something that's a little bit 

1037
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,720
more familiar to me. 
They actually keep the the 

1038
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,320
drinks that I put in there 
warmer on Sunday morning. 

1039
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,160
So consider checking out Patriot
coolers.com. 

1040
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Use the promo code Kyle if you 
do, and it's the same discount 

1041
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,840
you get if you're in the 
military, by the way, they have 

1042
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,680
a military discount. 
Don't be siding off there. 

1043
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,440
Give us the credit. 
We appreciate you guys doing 

1044
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,040
that. 
So save the same amount of 

1045
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,160
money, but it just lets them 
know that that we're supporting 

1046
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,880
their efforts. 
They're supporting our efforts 

1047
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:44,680
again. 
All right. 

1048
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,040
Let me let me not leave you on 
the hook here, if you don't 

1049
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,480
mind. 
Garrett, I want to read this one

1050
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,840
because this is quite important 
to me. 

1051
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,800
This is coming from that that 
complaint that I sent you, which

1052
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,400
you've now have some a little 
bit of familiarity with. 

1053
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,920
And folks on the screen what 
you're seeing is a DOJ press 

1054
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,800
release Tampa man sentenced to 
18 years for attempting to 

1055
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,480
provide material support to 
ISIS. 

1056
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,840
Well, that sounds like a thing 
we want to do, right? 

1057
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Tampa Judge U.S. 
District Thomas Barber sends 

1058
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:16,360
Mohammad Matmes Al Azari, 26 
years old, to to 18 years in 

1059
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,920
federal prison, followed by 
lifetime of parole for 

1060
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,960
attempting to provide material 
support to designate A to a 

1061
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,560
designated foreign terrorist 
organization, specifically ISIS.

1062
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,720
The court ordered that he 
forfeit certain assets that were

1063
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,280
traceable as proceeds from the 
offence. 

1064
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,640
OK, including gear and so on and
so forth. 

1065
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Well, none of that sounds 
terrible. 

1066
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:39,240
So he's 26 years old in February
of 2023. 

1067
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:40,920
Let's go back three years. 
He's 23. 

1068
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,440
In 2020, when I was following 
him around, and there's some 

1069
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,600
really interesting pieces in the
press release here, it says. 

1070
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,840
According to the court 
documents, he pled guilty 

1071
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,000
February of 23, spent most of 
his life abroad. 

1072
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,400
Well, he's only 26 years old, so
that should tell you something. 

1073
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,360
He began to embrace dogmatic 
Islamist or Salafist beliefs. 

1074
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
He was released from a Saudi 
prison in 2018. 

1075
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:10,120
OK, the story goes is that this 
guy happened to be in a Saudi 

1076
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,760
prison for a terrorism charge, 
which is pretty suspect because 

1077
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,280
I don't think that we think 
there's a lot of fairness in the

1078
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,320
Saudi Kingdom. 
Their human rights violations 

1079
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,440
are pretty significant. 
And what it says is that he had 

1080
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,520
multiple interactions with the 
FBI undercover employee, what we

1081
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,760
call AUCE, and a confidential 
human source of CHS in April and

1082
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,160
May of 2020. 
I was there in Tampa in May of 

1083
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,680
2020 when he was arrested. 
My team was one of the last 

1084
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,240
groups that was surveilling him 
just before the SWAT team came 

1085
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,640
and took him down. 
At the time, he was in the 

1086
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,960
process of buying guns from an 
undercover employee and 

1087
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,720
including a fully automatic 
rifle, which by the way wasn't 

1088
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,400
fully automatic. 
It was just a weapon system that

1089
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,800
they presented and it probably 
wasn't even with a real firing 

1090
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,480
pin. 
He was arrested on state charges

1091
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,480
for carrying a concealed weapon 
without a permit, and then after

1092
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,440
his release from state custody, 
he tried to buy firearms from 

1093
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,280
the UCE. 
He met with the CHS, attempted 

1094
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,120
to convert the CHS to Islam, 
confided in the CHS about his 

1095
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,840
affiliation with ISIS, which he 
did swear allegiance to and 

1096
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,360
details all this kind of stuff 
and how we plan to send money as

1097
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,560
well as material support. 
He also wanted to kill people. 

1098
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,280
He wanted to do robberies, home 
invasion, robberies, murders, 

1099
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,680
etcetera. 
This guy was a bad dude. 

1100
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,960
He tried to buy a suppressed 
handgun, a Glock and A and a 

1101
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,800
silencer from the FBI. 
All of that sounds pretty good 

1102
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,760
on the up and up, does it not? 
That sounds like a righteous 

1103
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,240
case. 
Certainly does, based on the way

1104
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,800
they presented it there. 
Now here's the real problem. 

1105
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,720
In the criminal complaint, in 
the affidavit, which I'm looking

1106
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,720
at off my screen over here, they
made-up facts, including the 

1107
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,680
fact that he was a felon who 
could not possess A firearm 

1108
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,800
because he was convicted of as a
juvenile. 

1109
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,720
By the way, he was convicted of 
terrorist offenses in Saudi 

1110
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,880
Arabia. 
Now you know, and I know that if

1111
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,240
you can are convicted of a crime
in a foreign nation as a 

1112
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,040
juvenile, even if you're 
convicted in the United States, 

1113
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,800
by the way, as a juvenile, 
you're not going to forfeit your

1114
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,720
ability to own a firearm. 
Under 18 USC 922. 

1115
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,440
That doesn't happen. 
He's AUS citizen who had every 

1116
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,640
right to own them and legally 
bought them previously. 

1117
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,400
So the FBI manufactured facts in
this they substantially there 

1118
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,520
was a substantial lie about 
that. 

1119
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,880
And then the other problem, 
which is saying he spent most of

1120
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,360
his time overseas, he spent a 
lot of his time from puberty on 

1121
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,160
in a Saudi prison being 
tortured. 

1122
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,760
And this is the class, the 
classic story that my team used 

1123
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,320
to refer to as the Twisted 
Wiener story. 

1124
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,480
The twisted Wiener story is that
while he was being interrogated 

1125
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,240
by FBI agents before they 
arrested him, by the way, this 

1126
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,800
was just a voluntary interview 
and as they moved into an 

1127
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,240
interrogation, he said I have a 
hard time meeting girls. 

1128
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,320
He copped to a bunch of mental 
problems and their case brief to

1129
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,040
us was that he was basically 
psychopathic. 

1130
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,200
He wasn't sociopathic. 
He had basically had a real 

1131
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,560
break with reality. 
He didn't know what was real and

1132
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,480
what was not, and he hadn't 
slept in like something like 6 

1133
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,680
months. 
And we knew that because they 

1134
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,320
had wires in his house and they 
were able to listen to every 

1135
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,200
single thing he did, and he and 
he never slept for more than 

1136
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,640
like 45 minutes to an hour. 
Imagine, like basically every 

1137
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,680
mom who's ever had a newborn 
baby, except it just never 

1138
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,680
stopped because he woke himself 
up with his own alarm system and

1139
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,600
read the Quran until he sobbed. 
But the crazy thing was, is that

1140
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,360
he had acid dripped on his 
genitals and his legs and his 

1141
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,920
pelvic girdle to the point where
they scarred up his entire 

1142
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,920
pelvic girdle. 
And he claimed that his, his 

1143
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,640
penis was deformed by the Saudi 
government. 

1144
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Then he was put back in a cell 
with his father who betrayed him

1145
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,360
and the father beat the shit out
of him over and over again 

1146
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,360
because his father didn't want 
to be involved in being in 

1147
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,400
prison and and basically he 
basically said no, it's all my 

1148
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,280
son's idea. 
The 16 year old kid, the one 

1149
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,840
relationship you wouldn't want 
to expect to to to betray you. 

1150
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,120
The guy betrays him. 
So now he's getting the crap 

1151
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,000
eaten out of him in his cell. 
He's getting the crap beat out 

1152
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,800
of him by the Saudis. 
He's getting acid dripped on him

1153
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,400
and the agents knew that and 
they and they were aware that 

1154
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,600
all the stuff had happened. 
So all this stuff happens and 

1155
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,600
rather than do the Baker Act 
thing, you were a local cop. 

1156
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,840
You know, somebody calls you up 
and says hey, my buddy is not 

1157
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,680
well and he probably shouldn't 
own guns. 

1158
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,440
He needs to be psych evaluated. 
What can you do? 

1159
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,760
You can you can do a a a mental 
eval on them and if it if you 

1160
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,520
have, you know basically 
probable cause but it's it's 

1161
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,400
it's criteria. 
In Wisconsin we call that 

1162
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,360
criteria. 
Then you take them to the 

1163
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,960
hospital and then like an actual
mental health provider or you 

1164
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,760
know doctor comes and does their
own eval. 

1165
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,400
And then you take them over to 
the county mental health 

1166
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,560
facility and they stay there for
three days or maybe maybe longer

1167
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,880
and hopefully get some 
additional follow on care that 

1168
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,720
they need. 
And in this case it's like well 

1169
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,280
all of the all of that detail, 
all of that context like yeah 

1170
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Saudi prison will do that to 
you. 

1171
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,600
It'll cause you to break. 
And now he he's here. 

1172
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,280
And instead of using America and
our greatness to actually help 

1173
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,520
this person, well, we'll just 
throw them in prison because 

1174
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,240
terrorism. 
Because I need a stat. 

1175
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,760
Because I need a case. 
Because I can use an undercover.

1176
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,280
Because I can use the CHS. 
Because I can get all of these 

1177
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,440
things annotated for. 
I bet you they worked this case 

1178
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,480
for at least a year because you 
got to keep it going. 

1179
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,880
It's not the only case they did.
They've done this before. 

1180
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,400
They did it a decade earlier, 
and so producer Phil was on one 

1181
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,960
like that. 
That was identical, but the case

1182
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,640
brief was identical minus the 
mental illness. 

1183
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,360
The the takedown was identical. 
And here's the really wild part,

1184
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,280
which I found out after reading 
the affidavit, because you never

1185
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,040
know this when you're actually 
participating as part of the 

1186
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,680
asset. 
SWOT is an asset. 

1187
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,560
It is a tool that is used. 
Surveillance is a tool that is 

1188
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:16,600
used. 
You don't get the full case 

1189
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,440
brief. 
You don't know all the 

1190
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,240
circumstances or all the 
investigative steps. 

1191
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,480
What I found out was that just 
like all the other entrapment 

1192
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,440
cases that we've seen, what they
did was they intercepted a not 

1193
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,680
firearm. 
I just need to hammer this home 

1194
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,720
in May of 2020. 
Even against like the the 

1195
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:35,000
bullshit sort of way that the 
ATF operates, they still hadn't 

1196
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,480
declared what are called polymer
80s. 

1197
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,080
These are frames that you can 
mill out and create a weapon. 

1198
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,560
It's a lower than you have to 
put a parts kit in. 

1199
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,560
There's a ton of work that has 
to go and you don't just get out

1200
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,840
of a box and, you know, put it 
on a drill and then start 

1201
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,160
shooting it. 
In fact, if you start shooting, 

1202
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,840
it probably doesn't work even 
after you've done all the right 

1203
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,400
things. 
In my experience, you got to be 

1204
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,760
pretty good at it. 
So long and short, this guy 

1205
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,040
bought a polymer 80, which was a
legal purchase from eBay, which 

1206
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,120
was a legal way to convey that 
of a not firearm because it 

1207
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,440
needed a bunch of work and it's 
considered 80%, which makes it 

1208
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,240
not a gun according to the 
federal government. 

1209
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,520
Even even then it was not 
considered a gun. 

1210
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,760
The FBI had it intercepted en 
route for him being a felon in 

1211
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,280
possession. 
Now they've actually interfered 

1212
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,200
with the mail service. 
They've probably actually broken

1213
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,200
federal law and claiming 
something that is not true and 

1214
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,640
falsified in the affidavit. 
They intercepted his property. 

1215
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,800
Then they bought the eBay 
account from the eBay seller for

1216
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,480
$25,000 and began communicating 
with him in an online undercover

1217
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,680
way, trying to get him to agree 
to buy additional weapons. 

1218
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,320
Then they introduced somebody 
locally and then they introduced

1219
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,440
the undercover, and then they 
got that person to swear to 

1220
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,880
ISIS. 
Should this guy be on the 

1221
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,640
street? 
No way. 

1222
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,560
The dude was dangerous, there 
was no doubt about it. 

1223
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,200
But he was more of a danger to 
himself than anything else. 

1224
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,520
That's the incredible part. 
And I know you've worked CT 

1225
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,720
cases, so feel free to just. 
Spit on it. 

1226
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:48,880
Yeah. 
Well, you know, honestly, both 

1227
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,520
of these cases we've talked 
about today, now, my experience 

1228
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,320
and yours, it reminds me of a 
conversation Steve and I had on 

1229
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,960
the American Radicals podcast 
yesterday. 

1230
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,840
We had Trevor Aronson on who I 
know you, you are fond of his, 

1231
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,320
his book The Terror Factory, and
he's got a Ted talk out there 

1232
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,400
and and whatever. 
And and this was the 

1233
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,920
conversation we were having 
about these cases, about cases 

1234
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,080
he's discovered. 
This is the playbook. 

1235
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,200
This is what they do. 
I mean, think of look, think of 

1236
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,600
what what Kyle just said about 
this case. 

1237
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,720
The effort, the time, the 
energy, the amount of money they

1238
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,520
put in to get to get. 
I'm gonna say that to get that's

1239
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:33,720
what it was to get this guy who 
really is, is just, you know, 

1240
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,720
mentally disabled at this point 
because of what happened to him 

1241
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,120
in a Saudi Arabian prison. 
But we gotta get him. 

1242
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,080
What's even uglier is when we 
were getting briefed, the case 

1243
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,480
agent who I believe 'cause she's
the one who signed this, this 

1244
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,320
this complaint. 
Her name is Cynthia Hazel. 

1245
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,400
She joined the FBI same time I 
did 2016. 

1246
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,160
So, you know, she might have 
been in my class that I don't 

1247
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,600
recall. 
We had a big enough class. 

1248
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,040
Or maybe she was in one of the 
earlier ones. 

1249
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,880
She was probably at the Academy.
We I almost a guarantee that we 

1250
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,360
cross paths at some point, you 
know, physically in the same 

1251
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:07,800
buildings. 
She she briefed our team that 

1252
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,400
you're probably going to have to
kill this guy. 

1253
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,320
There's almost no chance he's 
going to come in peacefully. 

1254
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,400
That was the brief. 
You ever gotten that brief? 

1255
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,200
No. 
And that insane. 

1256
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,040
That's it. 
That's it's completely insane. 

1257
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,600
It's completely insane. 
You're probably going to. 

1258
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Have to kill him. 
And and there was the the 

1259
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,000
special agent in charge of Tampa
was actually removed from all 

1260
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,480
the calls and had to stop. 
Had to start self censoring 

1261
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,000
because he was on calls with the
United States Attorney in the in

1262
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,920
the area plus Main Justice. 
It was the biggest single case 

1263
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,600
going on in the FB is 
counterterrorism world at that 

1264
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,080
time and he was briefing the SAC
The top guy in the Tampa field 

1265
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,960
office was saying someone just 
needs to kill this MF uh let's 

1266
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,520
just take this guy out. 
Like a bunch of really crazy 

1267
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,240
stuff was said on recorded calls
to like 100 plus people. 

1268
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,640
To the point where my boss, who 
is a killer at the time. 

1269
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,040
So my boss was a former HRT guy 
who has been a Ranger battalion 

1270
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,040
W Pointer. 
One of those honorable people by

1271
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,280
the way doesn't work for the FBI
anymore. 

1272
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,160
Go figure. 
Yeah. 

1273
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,920
And before retirement too. 
Who came? 

1274
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,440
Who he like? 
I think he wanted us to work for

1275
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,880
like Child Exploitation cases. 
That's where he felt righteous. 

1276
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,240
And my boss heard it and he's 
like, look dude, I've been on a 

1277
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,960
lot of these calls. 
I've been a lot of these briefs.

1278
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,320
He was a he was a team leader 
for HRT and the and the the 

1279
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,960
story in the FBI is when HRT 
that's the hostage rescue team, 

1280
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,520
our tier one SWAT team. 
When HRT shows that people get 

1281
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,640
dead, that's their internal 
level joke. 

1282
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,400
But that's what happens. 
They send HRT when people need 

1283
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,680
to get dead, or when they need 
someone so dangerous that 

1284
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,480
they're going to basically 
overwhelm them with the most 

1285
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,720
capable operators they have, and
they're super capable. 

1286
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,000
You've probably seen it for 
sure. 

1287
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,360
They're really good. 
My boss said this was. 

1288
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,640
My, my best friend from Wichita,
a guy who was on SWAT team with 

1289
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,880
in Kansas City, we we tried out 
together. 

1290
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,680
He was a former cop. 
He's on HRT now and stud. 

1291
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,240
He's one of the, he's one of the
few who's who still talks to me,

1292
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,560
I mean. 
Yeah, no, they tend to be men of

1293
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,160
principles. 
And what's amazing is, is those 

1294
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,880
men also know. 
They know what what real danger 

1295
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,240
looks like. 
Most of the time they have a 

1296
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,080
pretty good assessment of it. 
They train for all the 

1297
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,240
scenarios. 
And if your boss, who's a 

1298
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,080
killer, comes to you and says 
I've never heard anybody talk 

1299
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,760
this recklessly before and he 
said we basically need to button

1300
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,640
this up, he's like, I've never 
heard somebody say. 

1301
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,120
We're gonna have to kill this 
MF. 

1302
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,400
Or on a call like that, like you
might privately have a 

1303
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,480
conversation. 
Like, dude, I don't know if 

1304
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,560
we're gonna be able to take this
guy live. 

1305
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,760
That's a different conversation 
with your buddies than making 

1306
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,760
your case brief and making it an
official statement to the teams,

1307
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,640
because that goes in my 
surveillance log. 

1308
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,160
And then inserting that into 
agents heads now they're they're

1309
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,400
pre empted with this. 
So anything this guy does 

1310
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,600
they're thinking gun, I'm going 
for my gun. 

1311
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,680
And also, let's think of this in
a broader FBI law enforcement 

1312
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,080
context. 
Ever hear of a thing called due 

1313
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,640
process, Mr. SAC? 
Like you. 

1314
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,800
Give me a break. 
This is like this is, you know, 

1315
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,840
Criminal Law 101 right here. 
It's just the basics of it 

1316
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,800
there. 
There's a presumption of 

1317
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,400
innocence, by the way, that guy 
gave up like a like a kitten. 

1318
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,040
They threw a flash bang at his 
feet. 

1319
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,480
He gave up like a kitten. 
Here's the other sad story, and 

1320
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,600
I covered this all in a podcast 
previously, but we got more 

1321
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,720
audience. 
We got new audience. 

1322
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,040
The The saddest thing about this
whole story was one of the 

1323
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,240
sources that the FBI had a 
cooperating witness was his 

1324
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,840
sister who saw the problems. 
Now, I'm not sure if it's the 

1325
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,800
older sister, the younger 
sister, but his younger sister 

1326
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,240
also knew that there was some 
issues with this guy and wasn't 

1327
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,600
so concerned about him being a 
menace that she actually allowed

1328
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,240
him to be around his, his nieces
and nephews. 

1329
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,120
He had three, I think, I think 
he had two nephews and one 

1330
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,840
niece. 
So she had three young children.

1331
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,960
She was in her like younger than
him. 

1332
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,720
So she had babies like 18/19/20 
kind of thing. 

1333
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,920
And he was 2122 at the time. 
Here's where it gets really 

1334
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,760
crazy. 
The FBI flash bangs and arrests 

1335
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,120
the brother. 
That girl breaks, goes to a 

1336
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,200
substation of the Sheriff's 
Department, unrelated to this 

1337
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,560
case. 
The Sheriff's Department knew 

1338
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,000
nothing about the background on 
it. 

1339
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,000
She's crying outside on video 
camera. 

1340
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,760
I could probably find the the 
video of it. 

1341
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,400
She's crying outside and a a a 
local patrolman, a patrol deputy

1342
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,720
comes out and says hey man, can 
I help you? 

1343
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,520
She produces A10 inch butcher 
knife from underneath her hijab 

1344
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,560
because she's in full 
traditional garb. 

1345
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,280
Tries to stab the deputy, 
catches him in the arm and he 

1346
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,120
shoots her and puts her down. 
Now we have three children that 

1347
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,120
are going to grow up knowing 
exactly what happened, that 

1348
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,200
their mom was put down by a cop 
with no further information 

1349
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,240
about that. 
They were very young. 

1350
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,000
They are always going to be 
without their mother. 

1351
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,920
And she was put down because the
FBI failed to do the simple 

1352
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,640
thing, which was to take that 
guy and get a mental help, which

1353
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,280
is what the what the sisters 
were reporting him for that he's

1354
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,440
dangerous because he's got some 
problems with his mind. 

1355
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,440
He's got these guns. 
We'd love it if you guys like 

1356
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,760
they were asking for a Baker 
Act. 

1357
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,400
They were asking for a mental 
health commitment and the Bureau

1358
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,880
instead arrested, got the stats 
and now that woman is dead. 

1359
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,480
The FBI did as much to destroy 
that family as the Saudi 

1360
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,840
government did. 
Let that sit in. 

1361
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,560
I mean, we know they're evil. 
Look what they did to Jamal 

1362
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,680
Khashoggi. 
They they they assassinated him 

1363
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,600
and chopped them up and took 
them out in a body bag. 

1364
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,160
Yeah. 
And then they dissolved them in 

1365
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,480
acid. 
Yeah, these are evil. 

1366
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:59,000
This is evil, An evil regime. 
And your government did as much,

1367
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,320
maybe in some ways more, to 
destroy this family as that evil

1368
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,600
regime did. 
I'm gonna. 

1369
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,080
I'm gonna tag another one, too. 
I went to Pensacola, to the 

1370
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,800
naval base shooting. 
We did a whole show about this, 

1371
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,960
about the guys who responded to 
it. 

1372
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,280
We brought on, We brought on one
of the gentlemen who was 

1373
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,120
actually one of the responders 
to that shooting. 

1374
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,080
They were all Saudis as well. 
They were the Saudis that came 

1375
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,360
in and killed Americans on 
American soil on AUS Navy base 

1376
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,200
that were in pilot training. 
And then we just let them, you 

1377
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,640
know, they're probably PNG and 
sent home now. 

1378
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,160
Maybe they had their heads cut 
off at at home. 

1379
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:27,760
I don't know. 
I'm. 

1380
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,200
I imagine that embarrassing the 
Saudi crown is probably not 

1381
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,840
good. 
But they didn't get justice in 

1382
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,520
America like all these guys that
conspired. 

1383
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,840
They were just deported. 
They just went back to wherever 

1384
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,400
they came from or maybe they got
medals for killing an American 

1385
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,240
for all I know. 
I don't know what the story was.

1386
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,360
I know that they were the 
military there was embarrassed. 

1387
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,960
So they were showing some, you 
know, sense of being contrite. 

1388
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,120
But how crazy is it that you 
look at the, the double standard

1389
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,280
that's going on there and this 
is the reasonableness thing that

1390
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,720
people have to understand. 
This stuff I learned after the 

1391
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,800
fact when I read the affidavit 
because you're not given an 

1392
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,760
affidavit of what the case is 
when you're briefed on it. 

1393
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,200
You weren't given an affidavit 
when you guys were outside that 

1394
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,600
house. 
But here it is again. 

1395
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,400
This is what you saw, which is 
very unsettling because of how 

1396
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,000
nice a neighborhood it is, 
because there's an American flag

1397
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,920
hanging out there in the lights 
of that BearCat. 

1398
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,320
Right. 
And and that sense of unease is 

1399
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,320
not the same thing as knowing 
that you were involved in 

1400
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,680
something that is truly evil, 
that it's important for people 

1401
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,480
to understand that that that 
sense takes time to root and 

1402
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,880
grow. 
And there's a reason why when I 

1403
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,280
finally came out and I know the 
same thing with you, it wasn't 

1404
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,600
like, oh, I just saw something 
and I threw the bullshit flag. 

1405
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,920
That's not how it works. 
Would you agree on that? 

1406
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,800
I mean it. 
It takes a while to understand 

1407
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,240
because they're breaking a deep 
seated trust that we've had in 

1408
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,120
an institution like we're system
idealist, as Steve likes it to 

1409
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,840
call it. 
Yeah, for sure. 

1410
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,800
I mean, yeah, it definitely, 
like built it. 

1411
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,840
It built over time, definitely. 
I mean, that was February of 21.

1412
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,200
I didn't start speaking to 
Congress until November. 

1413
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,560
So there had been, you know, 
many more months in between 

1414
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,840
there and and and look, it 
wasn't everything every day that

1415
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,960
I thought or I had unease about 
or I thought was wrong, but it 

1416
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,720
was building, building, 
building, building. 

1417
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,920
And you know, I mentioned it 
earlier. 

1418
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,160
I, I really want to hone in on 
this part. 

1419
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,960
James 5 I just pulled this up. 
James 5 verse 16 says therefore 

1420
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,040
confess your sins to one another
and pray for one another that 

1421
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,640
you may be healed. 
I really wanna hone in on my 

1422
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,800
apology to the CUNY family for 
participating in this evil 

1423
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,080
against them. 
And if anybody listening knows 

1424
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,600
them, please try to get them in 
touch with me through Twitter. 

1425
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,920
At GOB Actual through my 
attorneys, the Banal Law Group 

1426
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,720
have have their attorneys 
contact them 'cause I would like

1427
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,640
to apologize to them in person, 
not just on a podcast, but to 

1428
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,000
actually tell them man to man or
or me to to all of them. 

1429
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,040
I am sorry, I'm sad. 
I can't apologize on behalf of 

1430
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,680
that entire SWAT team and and 
and on behalf of you know, the 

1431
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,840
the the negotiator or case agent
or whoever was in the door, 

1432
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,480
which also should should be 
another indicator that is there 

1433
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,680
a real threat here? 
Why do you have SWAT if you're 

1434
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,800
going to just go up to the door 
anyways and talk to the wife and

1435
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,000
the child? 
That's what that was. 

1436
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,200
Let me throw it one more time. 
Up here, they literally just 

1437
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,760
walk right past. 
Watch this. 

1438
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,360
There's no shield blocking. 
There's nothing to keep her like

1439
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,920
she's standing in basically a 
threat zone. 

1440
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,760
That's a fatal funnel that she's
standing in right there, because

1441
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,680
that's a hallway outside of a 
door where that's where shots 

1442
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,640
go. 
So there, there's a very 

1443
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,640
lackadaisical attitude about 
that entry. 

1444
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,760
That doesn't. 
I mean, it looks like a training

1445
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,320
scenario to me where you have 
players that are like, out of 

1446
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,360
play. 
It doesn't look like this is a 

1447
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,720
lethal threat. 
And we're going to move this 

1448
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,320
woman into the snow because 
there's a possibility that we're

1449
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,600
going to catch rounds. 
These guys are walking in the 

1450
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,040
way that they're supposed to. 
Smooth, right. 

1451
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,440
You know, slow is smooth. 
Smooth is fast. 

1452
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,400
They're doing the thing that 
you're told, but you also have 

1453
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,480
like bystanders and A and a guy 
who's looking away from where 

1454
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,240
the threat zone would be, not 
covering down on it. 

1455
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,680
You're just sending bodies 
through a doorway. 

1456
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,920
By the way, unbroken glass, 
unbreached door, it looks like 

1457
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,800
obviously was a voluntary entry 
there. 

1458
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,280
All these things are a big 
problem. 

1459
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:15,320
Yeah it you know I don't I don't
know that the the regular agent 

1460
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,480
who was there at the door but it
that I. 

1461
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,200
That looked like a noble cop to 
me. 

1462
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,760
I don't know if that's. 
I think, I think it. 

1463
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,120
I think it was one of the 
negotiators. 

1464
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:30,080
I think I I don't know for sure,
but what he was saying and how 

1465
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,920
he was acting I think is like 
the part that makes me the most 

1466
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:38,440
upset and like like don't, don't
tell my son is, is this what I'm

1467
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,480
thinking? 
Of It's OK, buddy. 

1468
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,160
There's nothing OK about. 
What's happening right here? 

1469
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,240
Nothing about this is OK That's 
right. 

1470
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,600
Like learn your de escalation or
whatever better. 

1471
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,680
But it's not that, dude. 
It's not that. 

1472
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,400
Or or don't. 
Or just be the stoic FBI agent 

1473
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,280
who and and and pull them out of
the threshold at least then. 

1474
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,240
But you approaching at all shows
me you didn't think there was 

1475
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,080
any threat there, so why is SWOT
there? 

1476
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,200
It's gross. 
The reason why I wanted to cover

1477
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,000
this is because we all have 
instances of this. 

1478
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,040
Everybody asks, like, how can 
people don't know? 

1479
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,560
I think people are starting to 
grow. 

1480
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,280
We're finding out. 
I had a friend reach out to me 

1481
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,880
and tell me that the Office of 
General Counsel is giving 

1482
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,880
briefings about EEO and they're 
talking about the suspendables 

1483
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,000
and rolling their eyes in it. 
That's kind of incredible to me.

1484
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,600
There's something pretty amazing
about that being the case. 

1485
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,760
I also got this kind of goofy. 
I don't know if I put it on the 

1486
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,040
screen or not. 
Maybe I can throw it up on the 

1487
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,200
screen here. 
I don't know if I have one, so 

1488
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,880
let me let me let me throw it on
the screen, 'cause I actually 

1489
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,080
have it sitting on my desktop 
here. 

1490
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,720
I want people to be able to read
it there. 

1491
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,600
There's this, this amusing 
little moment where I I went to 

1492
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,120
Google AI and I asked him about 
the suspendables, which is 

1493
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,800
actually, which is amazing. 
So let's throw this up on the on

1494
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,880
the screen for folks to read it.
Let's see there. 

1495
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,200
There's two things about this AI
that if I first of all, Google 

1496
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,040
AI apparently very woke and kind
of, you know, racist and and 

1497
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,439
only has pictures of black 
people. 

1498
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,920
But what I wrote was that you 
know, what is the, you know who 

1499
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,200
are the FBI suspendables And 
this is what it showed. 

1500
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,479
The term FBI suspendables is not
an official designation used by 

1501
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,120
the FBI. 
It seems to be using two main 

1502
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,000
contacts. 
One is a general term for FBI 

1503
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,200
employees facing suspension, 
asterisk or it couldn't refer to

1504
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,439
any employee facing disciplinary
action that could lead to 

1505
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,319
suspension, blah blah blah. 
Importantly, it doesn't imply 

1506
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:19,960
guilt or a specific accusation. 
It's just a status in the 

1507
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,800
disciplinary process or two In 
recent political controversies 

1508
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,439
recently, some have used the 
term FBI suspendables to label 

1509
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,279
certain FBI agents who have been
suspended or facing disciplinary

1510
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,160
action. 
This uses typically comes blah, 

1511
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,720
blah, blah blah, blah. 
It comes after the groups of the

1512
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,439
individual are critical of the 
FBI, often claiming these 

1513
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,120
suspensions are politically 
motivated or unfair. 

1514
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,000
It's important to note that 
these claims are disputed, so 

1515
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,479
Google wants to make sure that 
there is context to the 

1516
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,520
Suspendables label. 
I think that's kind of fun. 

1517
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,359
It also said that using vague 
labels like Suspendables is it's

1518
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:54,960
crucial to seek more information
from more credible sources, like

1519
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,360
established news outlets or the 
official reports. 

1520
01:09:57,480 --> 01:09:59,560
They can provide more accurate, 
nuanced information about 

1521
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,480
personal actions within the FBI 
and avoid perpetuating 

1522
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:03,760
potentially misleading 
narratives. 

1523
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,480
You know, Garrett, that 
misleading narrative that the 

1524
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:09,360
FBI is doing evil things. 
It's nice that Google's running 

1525
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,120
cover. 
This bullshit chat bot is 

1526
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,840
running cover for the Bureau as 
they continue to engage in 

1527
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,480
obviously evil activity that is 
slowly growing, I think, at 

1528
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:24,680
least in people's awareness. 
Yeah, for sure it's it's in in a

1529
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,320
way it well it's a double edged 
sword. 

1530
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,200
It's remarkable, this 
technology. 

1531
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,240
It's crazy. 
Then it can even just curate 

1532
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,960
that. 
But but then probably because of

1533
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,440
the programmers, it curates it 
in a not entirely truthful 

1534
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,440
manner, which of course that's 
to be expected. 

1535
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:44,320
That's exactly what the FBI 
would want. 

1536
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,280
Just as they curated the case. 
You were involved with the case 

1537
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,160
I was involved with, the the 
Whitmer takedown Steve was 

1538
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,040
involved with and many, many, 
many, many, many many other 

1539
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,160
cases, they curate them in this 
false way. 

1540
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,200
So you know, I guess it's par 
for the course with Google AI. 

1541
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,200
It's I I guess it's expectable 
but it it is not my favorite 

1542
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,200
thing to see. 
We were going to cover down on 

1543
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,240
the shooting that happened in in
Lakewood. 

1544
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,040
We'll do that another time. 
Maybe I'll cover it on Friday so

1545
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,440
folks will stick around the the 
body Cam footage came out there.

1546
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,600
I have some thoughts on what 
happened in that church but the 

1547
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,320
the overwhelming sense that I 
have is you must continue to be 

1548
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,880
your own first responder. 
You can't rely on organizations 

1549
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,120
like this. 
You can't rely on them to do the

1550
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,200
right thing. 
You shouldn't talk to the FBI. 

1551
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,240
If they come and knock on your 
door. 

1552
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,080
I think Eric would back that one
up for me. 

1553
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,360
Tell people where the easiest 
place to follow. 

1554
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:31,960
I've been throwing up your your 
handle on the screen. 

1555
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,560
You now unlocked your Twitter. 
So anybody who's following on X 

1556
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,600
can can actually go after you 
now and they you can do it. 

1557
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,640
You want to go ahead and plug 
anywhere that people? 

1558
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,560
Might want to follow you. 
Yeah GOB actual on Twitter, 

1559
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:46,800
Instagram, Truth, my sub 
stacklastline.substack.com and 

1560
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,680
of course the hyphen 
suspendables.com. 

1561
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,440
If you want to get some merch, 
those would be best. 

1562
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,720
But yeah, GOB Actual is now open
on Twitter. 

1563
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,240
So by all means, come and give 
me a follow if you want. 

1564
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,680
When I was in DC last week, I 
told my attorneys that I 

1565
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,400
basically just tweet Bible 
verses and and shots at the FBI.

1566
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,640
So they have a problem with the 
Bible and my First Amendment, 

1567
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,640
right? 
Well, they already had a problem

1568
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,120
with me. 
So how much does it really 

1569
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,720
matter? 
And then your friend Dan 

1570
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:24,120
Bongino, a true supporter of 
these suspendables, put me in a 

1571
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,960
tweet with you and Steve and a a
long list of other people. 

1572
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,360
And I thought, you know, I think
I think it's time. 

1573
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,000
So. 
Yeah. 

1574
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,560
And you had some you had some 
pretty good coverage on that too

1575
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,280
which is a lot of people. 
I think it started to find you 

1576
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,040
available and follow you. 
You just said Dan Bongino, look 

1577
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,280
at this. 
They were just they just made me

1578
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:41,760
aware of this. 
Dan covered my tweet the other 

1579
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,760
day about what's going on and 
the story that we had covering 

1580
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,920
down with Victor Avila. 
So that's always good times too.

1581
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,160
Let me let me read one of our 
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1584
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,480
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1595
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Give yourself a little bit of 

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Anybody who has ever been 

1602
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through a survival school knows 
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1603
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,240
a couple weeks without food, but
you're going to be absolutely 

1604
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,400
miserable if you're Garrett. 
You're going to be a totally 

1605
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,520
grouchy, grumpy guy. 
Nobody's going to want to be 

1606
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,160
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1607
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So you can hedge against that 
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1608
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And I keep saying in the chat 
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1609
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,000
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1610
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,160
regionally or nationally. 
The evil doesn't like to give up

1611
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,120
very easily. 
And so I recommend you guys get 

1612
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1613
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1616
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,400
Garrett, Are you ready for a 
little palate cleanser? 

1617
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,640
Certainly, OK, certainly. 
Let's try this. 

1618
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,920
I think this is where I put my 
dad joke of a couple of them 

1619
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,480
here. 
There's a couple of silly ones, 

1620
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:20,520
including a long form silly one.
So let's just throw this up on 

1621
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,000
and take a deep breath. 
What do you call the sexuality 

1622
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,040
where you're attracted to men 
and women but they're not 

1623
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,600
attracted to you, huh. 
By yourself? 

1624
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,920
My wife said to me. 
What starts with F and ends with

1625
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,720
Ki? 
Said no, it doesn't. 

1626
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:45,160
Tequila may not fix your life, 
but it's worth a shot. 

1627
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,200
My boss asked me why I get sick 
only on work days. 

1628
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:53,240
Said I don't know. 
It must be my weekend immune 

1629
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,720
system. 
My doctor told me I was going 

1630
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,120
deaf. 
That news was hard to hear. 

1631
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,280
I hired A handyman and gave him 
A to do list. 

1632
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,600
But when I got home, only items 
1/3 and five got done. 

1633
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:15,440
Turns out he only does odd jobs.
What did Newton think when he 

1634
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:21,400
discovered gravity is about to 
go down? 

1635
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,840
How do you get 100 math teachers
into a room that only fits 99? 

1636
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,120
You carry the one. 
Let's just leave it right there,

1637
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,000
buddy. 
Just a little bit. 

1638
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,640
For some reason, the one I like 
the most is doing the odd jobs. 

1639
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,560
We're only doing 1/3 and five. 
I could. 

1640
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,640
I could handle that. 
Those guys look funny. 

1641
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,680
And also like, I'll say this in 
a completely heterosexual way. 

1642
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,160
Like, I like the way that they 
look. 

1643
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,520
Like they're aesthetically 
pleasing as men to me and want 

1644
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,560
to hang out with dudes who have 
mustaches and like the same 

1645
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,600
haircut as me. 
I just want to kick it with. 

1646
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,240
And the guy with the weird wrap 
around shades, I always want to 

1647
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,440
hang out with that guy too. 
Just want to be like, I want 

1648
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,760
them to be my neighbors so we 
can go outside and just sort of 

1649
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,080
say dry jokes while our kids are
playing out in the front yard. 

1650
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,680
And maybe I will. 
Maybe when I move that will be 

1651
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,000
the next thing for us. 
Anyway, I I appreciate you 

1652
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,240
coming on and giving this 
context. 

1653
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,520
We kind of teased it out there 
that nobody was going to see who

1654
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,920
it was. 
Isn't it interesting how many 

1655
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,600
things you and I have had 
fingers on between you, me and 

1656
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,200
Steve? 
We've touched almost everything 

1657
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,920
that has gone on in the FBI in 
the last couple years. 

1658
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,880
It's weird, man. 
And that to me, and you won't be

1659
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,480
surprised that's it's divine. 
We have been put on a different 

1660
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,080
path. 
It's certainly is not always 

1661
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,120
easy. 
Yeah, it is not always easy. 

1662
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,800
But Isaiah 68. 
Here am I. 

1663
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,160
Send me. 
That's it. 

1664
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,280
You know what? 
I've been reading some of the 

1665
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,440
other pieces that that were just
done. 

1666
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:44,240
It was Abraham when when God 
calls out his name and asks him 

1667
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,560
to sacrifice his son. 
Right. 

1668
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,400
And he goes after Isaac. 
The answer is also here I am it 

1669
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,760
it's I wonder what the what the 
actual the Hebrew words are. 

1670
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,880
I'm I'm sure that's been plenty 
of studies but the answer is 

1671
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,800
here I am. 
When somebody calls your name 

1672
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,640
and you tell you you you make 
yourself available for that 

1673
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,360
call. 
I know that you and I both have 

1674
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,160
that same experience. 
I got the merch store. 

1675
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,800
Let me queue it up here and I'm 
going to you want to do the 

1676
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,600
talking over it and I'll just 
like point out my shirt. 

1677
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,440
Here we go. 
Yeah, the Dash suspendables.com 

1678
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,120
promo code. 
Kyle will get you 10% off as 

1679
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,240
Kyle always says. 
He doesn't gain anything from 

1680
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,560
that other than we just kind of 
track if people are listening to

1681
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,680
the show and if that's where the
traffic is coming from. 

1682
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,360
He's got the sub stack shirt up 
there, which is one of my 

1683
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,800
favorites. 
That's one of my very first 

1684
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,320
designs. 
I never thought it would end up 

1685
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,320
on AT shirt, but it has. 
So you can get one of those or 

1686
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:33,440
you can get the night OPS 
version. 

1687
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,720
We got PVC patches, we've got 
lapel pins. 

1688
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,880
I think the PVC patches, if you 
add 4 to your cart, it's like 3.

1689
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,680
Get one free the pins. 
If you add three to your cart, 

1690
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,680
it'll be 30 bucks instead of 45.
And yeah, there's sticker packs,

1691
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,240
there's T-shirts, there's Ranger
panties. 

1692
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,280
It was 73° here yesterday, but 
today it's like 25. 

1693
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,160
South Standard. 
I heard that there is a baby in 

1694
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,360
the background, which must mean 
it is time for us to wrap this 

1695
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,680
thing up. 
Folks, thanks very much for 

1696
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:00,880
joining us. 
Let me do a five star view. 

1697
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,360
But thanks Garrett for being on 
with me and for sharing this 

1698
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,560
story, which I think is relevant
for contacts for everybody. 

1699
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,720
And we'll see you soon, buddy. 
Sounds good. 

1700
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,400
Thanks for having me as always. 
All right. 

1701
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,640
Five Star view, ladies and 
gentlemen. 

1702
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,720
Here we go. 
Coming in from Las Hermanas. 

1703
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,200
Hey, Kyle, love your program. 
I've been listening since the 

1704
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,720
inception. 
Bravo. 

1705
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,600
I also like Rumble, but I don't 
have time to watch and I love to

1706
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,240
listen. 
Rumble uses a lot of phone 

1707
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,480
battery. 
Also, I'm old and I run on a 

1708
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,520
tight budget. 
Thanks again, Anna. 

1709
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,400
Well, Anna, that's a really 
thoughtful and I appreciate it. 

1710
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,640
I'm. 
I'm a huge appreciator of people

1711
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,160
that leaving me all their 
interesting notes. 

1712
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:37,320
You know that the batteries are 
rechargeable, right? 

1713
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,720
I don't know if that cuts into 
your budget all that much, but 

1714
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,400
if it does, understood. 
We like that you're getting it 

1715
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,000
from Apple and we appreciate the
five star review folks. 

1716
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,360
You can leave your own five star
review by going to the show 

1717
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,400
Notes. 
Just click right through it. 

1718
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,360
Or if you're listening on Apple,
Spotify, iHeartRadio or others, 

1719
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,000
they all have an opportunity to 
either leave comments or to 

1720
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,560
leave one of those five star 
views. 

1721
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,360
We appreciate you doing it. 
We're coming up on 1000 on 

1722
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,840
Apple. 
That's no nothing. 

1723
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,320
And obviously if you're watching
us on Rumble, make sure you've 

1724
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,960
given us a thumbs up as you 
listen to this and make sure 

1725
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,400
you're following the channel. 
You can subscribe to it for 5 

1726
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,200
bucks a month. 
That comes straight to us, no 

1727
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:09,600
middleman. 
It's better than a rumble rant. 

1728
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,560
It turns out it's just 5 bucks a
month as $0.22 a show. 

1729
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,800
And what that means is, is that 
it's going to go with no, no 

1730
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,240
vig. 
They're not taking a piece of 

1731
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,520
it. 
They don't charge us anything 

1732
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,840
for the process. 
That's really cool if you guys 

1733
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,600
want to support it. 
You can only do that on the PC. 

1734
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,400
By the way, you have to be on 
the PC while the show is running

1735
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,480
to do the follow and subscribe 
bit. 

1736
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,720
But we appreciate if you want 
to. 

1737
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,560
That's it for today's show. 
Y'all, I appreciate you all 

1738
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,440
listening. 
I do. 

1739
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,440
I really do appreciate you 
having the the interest and the 

1740
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:36,000
context. 
We had a pretty good number here

1741
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,720
in the live chat this morning. 
Or no Dan Bongino, but we are 

1742
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,440
slowly building up a loyal 
number of people that care about

1743
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,720
nuance, context, the grey area 
between what is black and what 

1744
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,840
is right. 
Yeah, it's there's a simple, 

1745
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,000
there's a simple and and and 
much more complicated 

1746
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,360
explanation. 
It's simple and so much is that 

1747
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,400
there's just no easy answers. 
But the complicated part is that

1748
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,400
we have to actually look for it.
You have to want it, and you 

1749
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,040
have to know that that the knee 
jerk reaction is probably not 

1750
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,360
correct, which is which is 
tough. 

1751
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,160
Because we all want to make 
those spot judgments. 

1752
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,040
We want to be headline readers 
here. 

1753
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,120
We read the the deeper context. 
We read the fine print. 

1754
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,200
So we'll see you guys again 
tomorrow on Thursday. 

1755
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:16,880
You guys are having a great day.
I hope it's not 26 where you 

1756
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,320
are. 
I hope it's closer to 75. 

1757
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,720
And God bless you. 
See you in the morning. 

1758
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,400
Thanks for listening to The Kyle
Seraphin Show streamed live 

1759
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,480
weekdays on rumble.com/kyle 
Seraphin. 

1760
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,760
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1761
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