Take a look behind the curtain with the real whistleblower, an
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enthusiast, Second Amendment defender, and recovering FBI
agent Kyle Serif. Well, hello my friends, and
welcome to the Kyle Seraphin Show.
Today is Wednesday. It is February the 28th.
Normally the last day of February and therefore the last
day of Black History Month, but we've got an extra, an extra day
coming and so we will enjoy the entirety of the January
extension. Folks.
I got some housekeeping stuff. Number one, I want to let you
guys know that we have Mark Naughton.
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and find him the same way. He is en route right now to a
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conference to free Palestine lest anything get fiery but
mostly peaceful out there. We have Mark Naughton en route
to try to cover what's going on in New York City today.
So told me he was en route to the train, and I will check in
with him after the show. But if you guys are looking for
some live action coverage of whatever the heck is going on
down there, they're usually good for at least some entertainment,
maybe some foolishness, maybe some stupidity.
For those of you who saw what today's show is about is about
reasonableness, is about the reasonableness standard, which
is to say that you don't always have to be correct when you were
talking about law enforcement. We're talking about following
orders. There is a standard and the
standard is that you may not know everything all at the same
time. We're going to get into that
specifically in the context of a video that came to light about a
A Proud Boy from Kansas. We have a member from that SWAT
team joining me today. So if you have not already
shared this, make sure we get some folks here to hear the
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Not everybody knows all the things at all the time and that
is incredibly important when we evaluate law enforcement actions
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further ado, it's probably time. It's probably time for me to
bring on my guest. I'm going to unmute over here.
We're going to bring on this character.
Look at this guy. Hey Garrett, what are you doing,
man? I'm good.
How are you? I'm doing really well and I'm
looking forward to kind of an interesting conversation.
So one of the things that came out this week was this, this
video, which we'll play in just a second here.
And the video indicated essentially that there was a
SWAT team that affected the arrest of a January Sixer.
And for those of us who follow this kind of thing, we went
like, oh, OK. And then I realized where that
SWAT team was. And I knew for a fact that you
were going to tell me in the affirmative that in fact you had
been there. Is that is that more or less
correct? Indeed, it's accurate.
So let's do a couple things. Let's let's get down this rabbit
hole. Nobody knew you were coming on,
so I kind of kept that a secret. I'm going to do 2.
Things I saw on the title. I was like, oh, he didn't take
me. He's got it.
He's keeping it secret. Yeah, we're keeping it on the.
We're keeping on the slot here. And and the reason why is, one,
I think the the folks who watch the show who are used to
listening to it, they already know your voice.
They know what you're about. They know your value system.
And that's why it's going to offer a different balance to
this video that people saw. So we're going to talk about
things that nobody else would be able to discuss, which is the
briefing that you guys got before you went to this house.
And we're going to talk about where you were in that raid.
Let me just show the video first.
Actually, before we do that, I actually got this.
You want to talk about this, this picture we're seeing on the
screen right now? Yeah.
So I took that picture and I was on perimeter.
So I'd been on SWAT for maybe six months.
We tried out in June and then we're brought up like late July,
early August and this was in February.
So this was 2020 is when I tried out.
This is February of 21. And FBI policy asserts that you
cannot be on an enter and clear movement as part of the SWAT
team unless you go to SWAT basic.
So new guys like I was then we you know drive, we drive the
BearCat, we drive other vehicles that are part of the the package
and so I was driving a Suburban over there on the left hand side
of the house. And I'll throw it back I.
Snapped that. I snapped that picture because
of the contrast that I saw between the BearCat in the right
in in the front there and the American flag hanging.
And I wasn't in a habit of taking pictures on these things.
And you know, I this, like I mentioned it was early in my
SWAT days, but eighteen more months roughly of SWAT.
I don't I may maybe take took one other picture after like an
op was over. But yeah that was just a
poignant stark contrast for me. So I took that and you know
what? I'm glad I did, now that this
this operation is coming to light three years later.
So let's do the video, then we're going to do the context.
We've got a story here from the, what is it, the Kansas City,
What's the newspaper there? Time, ** OK, So we're going to
play the video first. We'll get an eye on that.
It's not a long video and it's obviously not that much of it.
And then we're going to discuss some FBI SWAT stuff.
And then we're going to get it in a larger context of what is
reasonableness and what is that standard look like.
And so here's the video, folks. If you have not seen it, I just
want you to see this is AJ6 subject and we're going to talk
about what that briefing look like.
Then we're going to talk about the reality of the case that the
agents knew they were actually conducting it in just one
second. Let's first see the video here.
It's a little bit hard to watch. It's going to be hard to
understand if you're just listening, but you're going to
be basically hearing a SWAT team do an entry on a ring doorbell
camera. I just want to describe it up
front. There's a woman that is standing
outside holding a child. We'll get into all that in just
one second here. And then you're hearing another
officer or agent that is trying to calm the child down who is is
screaming. So here we go.
They're ready. They're ready.
I'll tell you when you bring him in.
Yeah. He just had surgery.
Nobody in or not. What would?
Where did you get surgery? He just surgery on his left.
List. OK.
OK.
It's OK, buddy. It's OK, buddy.
Hey, it's OK, buddy. He had surgery because he had.
He just wanted to be 8 on Friday.
On Friday, OK. He had surgery.
Be really careful. All right, that's the entirety
of the video. There's not much to it that we
can see only because that's the little snippet.
This was released by the Gateway Pundit and this was put out
there as sort of an inflammatory piece.
Let me just start off with the actual article here.
So as I promised, Kansas City Star, this is the article and it
is entitled Former KC area, Proud Boy, decorated Marine
Veteran gets brief prison time in January 6th case.
I actually think that's probably the most fair that I've seen
them do these sort of things. It's telling.
One, his affiliation with the Proud Boys, which is fine, and
that's why they built built a case on him.
Two, he's a decorated Marine Corps veteran.
That seems important, and his prison time is incredibly brief.
What you're also seeing on there is a picture of him at that day.
He's wearing what looks like probably a plate carrier under a
jacket. He's got a helmet on.
There's some other individuals that are next to him that look
pretty familiar to me. And the story says that he was
accused of conspiring with others in the Proud Boys group
out of Kansas City to breach the capital.
Then he was sentenced to 75 days in prison.
He received 24 months of supervised release, 60 day home
detention. So that's like sort of house
arrest and a $2000 restitution. The government was asking for
quite a bit more than that. He was 50 years old, lived in
Olathe. Is that right?
Did I did I say the right? It's been a while.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's correct. It's Olathe.
So charged with multiple felonies conspiring.
He was charged with multiple felonies, but obviously only
convicted of basically a misdemeanor.
When it gets down to it, because of the way that our sentencing
looks, you can see you're talking about less than three
months. They had asked for a six month
prison stint, which is still misdemeanor territory.
They wanted three years of probation instead of two and the
$2000 restitution. It was the 8th of the 10
residents in the state of Kansas that were indicted.
OK, so Garrett, let's do some. I'm going to give it to you the
whole screen here. I want you to kind of explain
that morning if you as much as you remember of it, the briefing
and kind of maybe set people up on how those things normally
went like sort of a a SWAT team brief, what a team room looks
like and and kind of paint that picture for folks.
Yeah, for sure. So I've been thinking about this
a ton since Kyle sent me the link to the video and the Kansas
City Star piece is, is is a little more fair and I think
just a little more accurate journalism.
Like it kind of includes a little bit of both sides.
The Gateway Pundit piece which is where the video came from is
definitely a little bit more inflammatory and not not as
accurate. And the video honestly I wish
they would have released more of that video to to give us a
little more context. But I guess in part that's why
I'm here. So I'm I'm you know like I said
I've been thinking about this a ton.
It's really been weighing on me now that this is coming out
because heading into that day you know so we're we're one
month roughly one month removed from January 6th and I head up
to Kansas City usually the the day before because I was down in
Wichita. So the the handful of SWAT guys
who were down in Wichita or wherever else Springfield, MO,
whatever we would come up like the day before because we that's
usually when we would do our brief and so we and and then too
like I mentioned earlier new guys drive and so we typically
would run the route from like the field office to where we're
going to stage to you know and then you know to the target
address or whatever. And so on this day we're doing
my memory serves and I'm pretty sure it does.
We did three of these J6 cases and early on like this for
whatever reason and I think it's part of the reason why I snapped
that picture out of the three. This was the one that I was
like, I don't know, like hesitant about or because he's a
veteran or what, you know, like just already may be wondering
like, are we getting all the details here?
Because as just a SWAT guy, you know, you don't get much.
You get what your team leader tells you.
The case agent often times isn't even in the SWAT brief because
they're doing whatever a case agent should be doing and
briefing their squad or whatever and not the SWAT team.
So it's all very like bifurcated and you know you get told he's
a, he's a 20 year veteran of the Marine Corps.
He has weapons. This is why they asked for SWAT
and you know he participated in in the in the riot at the
Capitol. I don't, I don't even know if
they were like referring to it as an insurrection yet.
And you know these type of things I I don't remember if
this was a direct quote from the team leader but on these things
it would be like something like this like they they asked for
SWAT because they need us. They've determined that this
person could potentially be violent.
Well, what you watch the video? No, there's happened.
There's always a checklist of things that allow you know,
weapons present is one of them and and we will both go 100% and
say that feds are cowards about weapons.
I don't know why that is, but like just the presence of a gun
in a home is literally one of the ticks and it only takes two
or three ticks on the little checklist for them to do that, a
violent dog, violent or aggressive interactions with law
enforcement in the past. Like there's not very much it
takes for the FBI to go and and default the SWAT.
A lot of that's because they've got physical, physical agents
that are not capable or they don't feel confident to actually
affect arrest the way that local police do.
Would you agree? For sure.
I would agree. And you know, yeah, I forget
exactly when this happened. You might remember off the top
of your head when those two agents were killed in Florida.
Then we saw. It it was months earlier.
OK, that's what I thought. Yeah, So that happened at the
end of 2020. We had a couple of agents that
were killed on a different kind of arrest warrant.
This was a child pornography warrant.
But I think that's really good context too.
The agency is incredibly overreactive at the FBI as a
general whole is so risk averse. You you folks can never you will
never be able to appreciate that.
But what's really, really critical about all this stuff
too. They'll brief a skeleton of the
case and it's literally enough to say this is the justification
and This is why we're going into the federal violation that
you're looking for. And then as you told me earlier,
there was an allegation that he was manufacturing guns.
Do your Is that part of the story there?
Yeah. So that's another part of of
this particular incident. There was an allegation that he
was manufacturing weapons in his basement and that it was for
some reason it was it was illegal like he was didn't have
an FFLI don't remember entirely the details on that part but
that was a key part as to why they wanted to use SWAT And so
and two also in that in that time frame there was talk of
making half of the Kansas City SWAT team full time because
there was talk of SWAT after those agents were killed in
Florida. There was talk of SWAT doing
every single arrest And so I think it is important context
but this reason of him manufacturing weapons and you
know whatever I don't even know if it's true based on what the
DOJ released about this case. I would say that is was not true
or he was not at least in violation of any federal gun law
because he they didn't charge him with any of that and those
would certainly. Be a No way.
Yeah. So here's the story.
And and this is the other problem most federal agents
would you agree, are not gun people the way that I'm a gun
guy A? 100%.
They don't know what they're. I would say I'm a gun person
more than most of them, and you got me beat in droves, so.
We always laugh. Producer Phil, who helped me
start the show, would always say, you know, like I'm in the
the top, you know, 1% or top 5% of all Americans when it comes
to gun ownership and competency. And he was like, you're not even
on that scale because, you know, I own, I own more guns than
there are fingers in my house. And there's six of us.
Right. Like, that's that's not a ton.
Not for real gun people, but. And that's also a light
estimate, by the way. But, but I've got, you know, I I
go out and buy guns by the three and four on a regular basis.
I spend a significant amount of the, the disposable income I
have towards that sort of thing. And then I care about the actual
technologies, which is not common.
And so we have people that know nothing about gun laws.
I've literally accosted agents and gotten really dirty looks
because I've had people say like, you know that we bought 6,
we bought 6 guns off this guy, you know, in California and I'm
like 06 guns. Like, how long did you buy them
over? And they're like 6 months and
I'm like 6 guns is like a busy weekend for me.
You know that that would be a big weekend if I bought 6 guns
in a weekend. But I've done it, you know, and
these people have never even thought about buying their own
guns. And so the idea and.
They're anti. They are anti you and any other
citizen owning guns, correct. I think there are a lot of FBI
agents who truly are anti your Second Amendment right.
They don't. Want it And so, so that fear is
built into the agency, which is a real problem.
Now, the the idea that the agents don't have to be right,
they have to be reasonable. Do you want to talk about the
context where you've put that into my brain?
Because I think it's a good it's a good point.
We're going to be balanced about this.
I'm not going to just sit here and punch the FBI for what it
was and I'm going to say why in a second.
But I I think it's worth discussing that reasonableness
standard that you like to to quote.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I, you know, this is one of the
things that has stuck with me since my early days in law
enforcement. So.
And I first picked it up in my police Academy.
My my police chief. My my first.
Yeah, my police chief from the Police Department I worked at
was one of the instructors at the police Academy I went to.
And he would always say you don't have to be right, you just
have to be reasonable. And that carried over until once
I was done with the police Academy and working on occasion,
if there was a bigger incident, he would show up in roll call
and would say that same type of thing like hey, let's play the
video, the dash Cam, whatever of this incident.
And he would talk about this reasonableness standard.
And it is essentially based on another law enforcement term,
the totality of the circumstances.
So what you as a law enforcement officer are Privy to at the
time? It could prove wrong later.
So for, for instance, there was a case in Milwaukee years ago.
This is another one I picked up in in school from a Milwaukee
detective. This kid had like a Walkman and
like, you know, the old tape player type and he's not obeying
an officer's commands. It's night time.
He ends up like grabbing the Walkman.
Cop thinks it's a gun. Dude's not obeying the commands.
He gets shot and the cop was cleared.
You know the cop ended up being wrong on on what it actually
was, but this reasonableness standard is what a reasonable
law enforcement officer have taken the same or similar action
under the same set of circumstances that you were
aware of. It's not.
It's not that hard to grasp. The problem is, is that it's
it's when it's wrong, it's so egregious to people and they're
so. That's such a massive difficulty
for people to really digest that problem, which is to say you're
looking at it with all the facts and you can't unknown the things
that you know, right? I mean, that's the real issue
here. It's the same story as people
critiquing that guy who was in front of the Israeli embassy the
other day, that that security officer or that uniform division
from Secret Service. They only know what they know.
They don't know if that guy's a fake.
They don't know if those are real flames.
They like they probably can smell that the uniform is
burning, but they don't know if it's a distraction.
They don't know if that guy's gone in there to suicide himself
and somebody else is going to be the problem.
So having a weapon out is the response that you have.
And so people who want to go and criticize that, it's it's a man
in the arena moment. The the the man in the arena
only knows what the man knows. And anybody sitting on the
sidelines, all they can assess was if you were in that same
situation, would you have done the same thing?
Maybe not. But was it reasonable for
someone to act in that manner? And that's where we cover down.
And that's why one month after January 6th, the information was
still not very obvious. I was still just in the
situation where they were pulling us into the office,
right. We were getting these moments
where we're getting glimpses of what the agency was doing and
it's starting to look very political.
But is it obvious? No.
I want to talk or have you speak about a little bit.
You've been on a number of search warrants at this point,
right? You've done, you've done them as
local. You've also probably done a
bunch with the feds, and you did several a swat, I'm sure.
Right. Yeah.
I mean, I don't. I couldn't even tell you at this
point how many combined I've done.
How many houses did you go into that were that nice?
How many neighborhoods you drive into that look that way?
Let's talk about. That's one of the big contrast
that strikes me. I've been on a bunch.
I've been on, you know, close to 100 search warrants.
I think. I've never seen that
neighborhood taken down, right? This was another thing I think
that played a part for me, because that's exactly right,
that type of neighborhood. And and look, let's be frank,
can people who live in nice neighborhoods commit crimes?
Absolutely they can. But in my experience, very,
very, very, very, very seldom to be in the neighborhood that
nice. It was a new neighborhood.
Olathe is is a relatively prominent suburb of Kansas City
on the Kansas side and it's yeah, it's a nice community it
So that was another one of the things where it's like, hmm is
this adding up you know like what is actually going on here
And now look if you go and read that Kansas City Star article
there's some parts in there where where Christopher I think
you say it CUNY. I think Christopher Cuny is
communicating with the CHS but then later and CHS says, yeah,
actually the only thing we did while we were in the Capitol
was, was pick up trash and he was kind of directing us to do
that type of thing. And then what happens, the FBI
burns that CHS. So like I didn't know that then.
I didn't. I don't even know if I knew that
he was communicating with the CHS or that the CHS was with him
and his group from Kansas at the Capitol.
But but yes, Olathe that community.
So this is another thing that stood out actually.
And this didn't happen very often.
That picture that I took that you showed earlier on the other
side of the BearCat, there's a house like in the in the in the
background there, the owner of that house came out and was
basically accosting us for being there and saying get the F out
of here. And he was like an older you
know, white guy. And I remember thinking like I
wonder if he's right. Like he probably knows his
neighbor better than we do. And like that stuck with me too.
And like, you know, you go in the hood and you get accosted
all the time. But for some there there is a
definite there was a contrast there.
And I remember like a sense of uneasiness.
This is partly why I took that picture and just knowing that it
is compartmentalized on purpose and then thinking, did my SWAT
team leader do his due diligence?
Should I have gone digging in the case file?
What did the case agent, How did the case agent pitch this?
What type of creative report writing was he engaged in to to
manufacture that like this is? These are things I've been
thinking the last couple days, especially since that video
came. Out.
And This is why you and I are in the situation we're in, because
we have that moment of self reflection.
It's something that the agency, the FBI in general seems wholly
unprepared to do. There are very small number of
people that are doing it and and yesterday's conversation with
Victor Avila, I brought up something that has is haunting
me right now because an agent reached out to me and said we
are the modern day slave patrols.
I want that to sink in for people that are listening at
this exact moment. I had an FBI agent tell me that
on evaluation of what they are doing because of the Biden
border policy and because of the way that the FBI operates,
compartmentalized as it is, they he's, he's calling them a slave
patrol. So if you don't know what the
slave patrols were, essentially as slaves began escaping from
various places in the South, the slave patrols were early
mechanisms of law enforcement that would round up those slaves
that escaped and it would bring them back to the slave owners.
Now here's the context that that this is the case.
The individual that reached out to me stated that they are
running down kidnapped, quote UN quote, kidnapped or missing and
runaway young girls. And those young girls are
illegal. They're here illegally.
They have no documentation that says that they are tied to the
person that reported them missing.
And so the FBI does what it does.
It actually runs down. It's very good at finding
people, which is why the the Pipe Bomber case is so unusual
to this, like they're really good at finding human beings and
the Marshall service is part of it as well.
They are catching these girls that have run away or that are
kidnapped, quote UN quote, kidnapped, and they are bringing
them back to somebody. But unlike under the Trump
administration where there was a familial DNA test between the
people that came across the border, this is my daughter.
This is my child, OK? We swab and verify.
Oh no, that's not true. They're not doing that anymore.
So there's no way to justify or validate that this person has
any claim to this child. And they are being returned.
And the the young girls, you know, 1213141516 are looking
awfully upset about it. And the agents are having this
sinking feeling that they are participating in evil and they
are the modern day slave patrols.
If that is the case, and it's sexual slavery, not forced
labour, chattel slavery like we saw in the the American South,
that's an incredible problem. It it is.
But it's compartmentalized, as you just said.
It's compartmentalized, which is a a huge part of the problem.
And then so think you just mentioned it.
This is why you and I are now in the position we're in at a time
I wasn't saying to anybody, like, hey, what do you think
about this? Do you think this is legit?
I would say, and if I was a betting man, I would bet that I
was not the only person who had questions about this that were
unanswered or like that sense of unease.
But we all just did it. You know, we've talked about
driving the train the the the driver, the train conductor for
the Holocaust. Like I drove the train that day
is is how I've been looking at it and it pisses me off.
Kyle it and it and it it makes me really upset really angry
really ashamed and OK OK you didn't know you didn't know at
the time. Well I I don't know I I don't
buy that. I honestly like, I actually want
to ask the CUNY family for forgiveness today.
And because you saw that video that his wife running out there
with their child, there's also reports that she miscarried the
next day. I have no reason to doubt that.
I don't know if she's pregnant or not, but that's that's what's
being reported. And if that's true, it's even
more horrifying. No.
It's the worst thing that could happen.
It's a baby that was sacrificed for what?
A case agent grabbing a stat or some fear that federal agents
had of doing their job. Do you know if he was given an
opportunity to surrender? I I'm not.
I'm guessing not, but I'm. I don't know.
But this is where the plot
thickens a little bit more. So he was sentenced to 75 days,
which makes me question even more so three years later it
took him and he gets 75 days. Did we really actually need to
be there in the 1st place? I would assert to you today that
the answer is no, and then even more so, to bolster that by the
time he does come out, 'cause she is, she came out and she is.
I don't think my memory serves correctly.
Nobody went to the door. There's announcements from the
BearCat. There's the negotiators trying
to call and then she comes out with the child and it's like
yelling at us and saying like, you know, he's disabled or he
just had surgery or something like that.
By the time Christopher Cuny comes out, his arm is in a sling
and it's like case agent didn't brief us up on that.
You really think the guy who just had shoulder surgery or
whatever happened is is a threat?
If you really think that you can't put Kansas City SOG on the
House for a week and find his pattern of life and say, hey,
the best time to intervene, Oh, by the way, he's got he's got
his shoulder in a sling. Right.
He just got out of the surgical facility and looked like he was
not driving and he was limping along or whatever the situation
is, which, which is which is SOP.
If you're dealing with someone that is a real threat.
Right. And so it's like there and and
look I also will say I was on SWOT.
There is a time and a place for SWOT, but there is we need to be
doing these things better than than we are and and and we're
not doing them appropriately anymore.
And you mentioned the the slavery connection and you won't
be surprised and probably people in the audience won't be either.
There's a huge Holocaust connection here too and it's
Holocaust Memorial Museum 101 on their website.
They have a ton of resources there.
I'll just read a little bit from it.
Nazi leaders relied on local police in Germany and across
Europe to help carry out the Holocaust.
Many police officers were not Nazis or extremists.
That that's the same with the FBI and police.
They were not Nazis or extremists.
They are not Nazis or extremists, nevertheless.
Nevertheless, they often arrested Jews or fill in the
blank today J Sixers or whatever helped deport them to camps.
Well, the DC Gulag and killed them in mass shootings.
We're not quite there yet. Well, I guess say that to the
guy in Utah that FBI SWAT killed a few months back this Some
acted out a deep hatred, while others claimed to be following
orders. Opportunities to advance in the
workplace, bonds with other officers and a sense of duty
also led many to join in the persecution.
I mean, honestly, you just changed a few words.
Yeah, that's today. That's the FBI.
That's where we are. That's where I was that day.
This is what I want people to understand because it's it's a
it's a very subtle concept. This is not a Fox News hit.
This is not a 3 minutes on national television where we
just say something and we say it's really bad, like we should
be outraged. No, this is actually much more
troubling because we're talking about his betrayal.
It's the same thing that I talked about with Victor
yesterday. And if you guys didn't listen to
that interview, definitely go listen to it.
Apparently it was moving for some of you.
It's all old hat to me. But the information about what's
happening at our border, it's the same betrayal that when the
government would you have given trust you and you've offered to
be an agent of the government. That's literally what we're
talking about here. As an agent of the government,
you believe that they will judiciously deploy you where you
may have to use deadly force, where you're going to use the
physical capabilities, the long arm of the law to draw people
in. And that you will not be abused
because the thing that you bring to bear is both terrifying and
awesome at the same time. And for an agency to lightly use
that force, which is in fact an incredible strong force, it's
very, it's very damaging to the trust of those within it.
That's why FBI morale right now is so low.
Many people at that time where Garrett was at did not know,
could not know. It is compartmentalized.
And so the the question is this, at that time can we really say
that the people that were on that raid that went in and did
the thing they were being ordered under, they have a a
judges order to to effect an arrest.
They've been briefed that this person is a threat and they have
no reason to doubt otherwise today.
They have no reason to believe otherwise and that's a big
difference as time goes on that reasonableness standard like is
it reasonable to assume that the case agent who hasn't lied to
you before, who has given you other cases to go do work on is
in fact telling you that this is a problem?
Have we arrested people that are legitimately threatening?
Yes. Have we brought people into
custody that might have surrendered but you don't know
and it's much better to do overwhelming force.
Absolutely. Can you believe that today about
this? I'm going to read some stuff
from the from the article real quick, Garrett.
So I'll give you a breather as we pick out the camera.
I want to read this because the stuff that's on the screen right
now folks is really, really important.
This is what was the the fairest take on it.
I think it says that it says that six people were charged
with conspiracy including this this gentleman Chris Cooney.
They were charged with conspiracy, obstruction of
official proceedings, civil disorder, and anting, and
remaining in a restricted building and grounds.
There was also a guy named Cressman whose first name,
William Cressman. Bill Cressman was also charged
with threatening to assault a federal officer and carrying a
wooden axe handle. Again, this insurrection
narrative falls apart just on its own weight.
With that stupidity, the interesting part I think that I
wrote down is that in the the charging documents they they
were talking about Cooney stressing the importance of
having recognizable identifiers such as a piece of reflective
tape that would allow members of the group to recognize each
other. This was the piece that they
were hinging the quote UN quote conspiracy to do whatever they
were doing. They were obviously
conspiratorial. Why?
Because they were bringing orange tape.
Do you know who else uses reflective tape?
Garrett. In in these settings.
In in large crowd settings. Law.
Enforcement. That's exactly right.
The the the national special security event protocols that
the Secret Service push out requires that everybody who is
going to be federal law enforcement and that is going to
be on the same blue, blue, blue team they going to, they're
going to put a piece of tape that is unique.
Usually it's like some kind of Chevron pattern.
It's either black and white or it's orange and white or it's
orange and red or it's purple. It's it's something specific to
identify the slide of the weapon as a law enforcement weapon on
both sides. So if it's drawn and it's
presented, in fact you guys were speculating whether or not I
have guns right next to me, of course I do.
So let me just show this. So I've got this 1911 right here
and it's clear. Safe.
I think that's what they do on the YouTube thing, right.
So clear, safe. They put a thing right here on
the outside of the slide where it's visible.
So as the barrel is pointed forward, anybody who's seeing it
laterally is going to see that there is in fact reflective tape
on here and on here. So any angle that you were to
see, you'd see this retro reflective tape, which is really
important and critical. They want you to know, they want
to identify who you are. And so identifying your friend
or foe in a group is standard. In fact, the military does it,
law enforcement does it. It is IFF is what it's called,
is a is a regular operational situation.
They they accuse this guy of being in a conspiracy because of
that. Now here's the other thing this
like I said, this is a very fair article, it says.
It's the most fair I've I've come across because like I said,
I've been. This has been weighing on me
since you first sent me that video a few days ago.
So Garrett actually sent me this particular article.
So in the days after the riot, the government document says
that he can. Cooney destroyed evidence of the
crime. Evidence of the crime, which was
what? That they walked around and then
his own sentencing memorandum is very different than what the
government's argument was. Here's the government's
argument. They said he was an exceptional
child who at the age of nine saved his two year old sister
from a burning car and began working at the age of 13.
He served multiple tours of duty in the military, became a
decorated Marine veteran. Many of the awards included a
Purple Heart, and he was the one who gave the actual commands for
the 21 gun salute at President Ronald Reagan's private funeral,
which is to say he was in the honor guard there, which is a
very specific type of honor. He joined the Proud Boys because
they were supposed to help protect patriots from violent
groups like Antifa. That's not a bad thing in and of
itself. That's an important distinction.
I'm going to keep running through this article only just
because I wanted. I want to color it with the
information that we know at the time and the information we find
out afterwards. Government said that he entered
the Capitol. I'm sorry.
He argued that he entered the Capitol to safeguard property
and then disassociate himself with the Proud Boys.
After that, he stopped an individual from stealing an item
from the US Capitol building, stopped people from breaking
items, made people clean up trash, and stopped a man from
smoking marijuana in one of the offices in the Capitol building.
OK, the filing mentions. This is the part that I find
really damning. And Garrett, I'm going to get
you to comment on this having we've run sources, We know what
this is about. Cody's filing mentions an FBI
informant who's referred to as Aaron, who traveled to
Washington, DC with the KC Proud Boys group and participated in
the riot with him. The document says.
Aaron asked Cooney to help him move a podium inside the US
Capitol and the two placed it under a metal gate as it was
closing. Aaron later explained to his FBI
handlers the reason they moved the podium was to prevent
rioters from tearing it down. They use the metal pieces and
use the metal pieces of the gate as weapons, so they were trying
to stop that sort of violence, he said.
Quote about Christopher Cooney. He made people pick up trash and
he helped de escalate the standoff with cops.
So what the happens after that? The FBI burns the source, and we
both know how interesting it is this this particular source was
actually used in another criminal case with another J6
defendant, and now they're like, well, he's not credible.
He's obviously not credible because he's not helping our
case. Not that we care about truth or
honesty. Maybe he was being honest.
Sounds honest. Sounds like what we saw.
So that's the part that I want to know.
I would like to see that that CHS closing document, what did
you actually close them for? Because he was telling you the
truth and you didn't like it because it was going against
your case, because you're more concerned about an arrest and a
stat and an A disruption because oh, it's terrorism.
This is domestic terrorism. So we we'll get we we'll get a
disruption on it too. And and oh man, the CHS is just
reporting to me like they always have, but.
This time it's not convenient. It's not convenient.
It's not good for my case. So you know what?
I'm gonna find a way to shut them down.
And quite frankly, that's what I'm assuming at this point.
I I How can you trust anything we're being told from the DOJ?
How can you trust anything they're saying about Christopher
Cuny or about the CHS, Aaron? Because here's what I bet you
not. I bet.
I guarantee you this is what happened.
Aaron. Hey, my group.
Where we're going to January 6th.
Yeah, you know, I remember you asked me about that the other
day because now Aaron wouldn't know this, But you and I know
this. The FBI, you know, they they
asked if anybody was going. And so the agent handling him
says, hey Aaron, are you going to January 6th?
Maybe maybe even prompt your group to go or maybe they had
already decided, I don't know, whatever Aaron gets paid to go,
he gets his, he gets his lodging and his food and all of that
taken care of. And then he probably gets a few
$1000 or more on top of it when he comes back and says, hey,
yeah, I think we got a case on the guys I was with because this
is what they did. Oh, and by the way, Aaron at the
time is covered because he probably got an OIA otherwise
illegal activity authorization. So he's covered to to break the
law, but the guys he's with are not.
Oh, but now he's saying, hey, actually we're just picking up
trash. We were he was de escalating
with the police. We were trying to stop people
from using this this podium or whatever as a weapon and oh,
that's not good for my case. So you know what?
I'm gonna figure out a way to burn you down.
That is the most plausible scenario.
Now this is not unique. This is the reason why I want to
share this and why this was so important to me.
Steve Friend had a similar experience on SWOT that you did.
The case brief did not match up to the threat on the ground.
And so again, the concept of reasonableness, what you were
told, what you knew at the time is the only way that we can
evaluate those people. And unfortunately, I think
unfortunately for most members of the public, they're never
going to hear what was briefed to the team at the time.
The the team looks like the jackbooted thugs.
They look like the demons. They look like the people that
are enacting and are the physical manifestation of evil.
But that's not necessarily a fair assessment and that's what
part of what I do, part of what we are able to do now in a way
that nobody else has probably been able to do in a long time.
Steve was given a brief on the Gretchen Whitmer case when they
participated in a multi state, multi regional SWAT operation to
bring these guys down and they were shown videos.
They were obviously like YouTube highlight reels of like how
badass these guys were to the point where as Steve has said it
in interviews with me before they they got very, very
serious. They described them as near
pier, which is a really lame term, but near pier is someone
that has the skill set that you do if you were going against a
near pier force. Those are people that have
training capabilities, operational weapon systems that
have tactics that mirror your own.
And so you were in what I would call like a fair fight, which is
the opposite of what law enforcement is looking for when
they do SWOT operations, right. We're trying to overwhelm.
So Steve had that same moment and the minute that they put the
guy into custody and they're like basically this guy's
Officer Doofy and he basically is a mentally struggling, you
know, destitute human being who has absolutely no ability to do
the things that they showed us in that video, we were conned.
And in the same way, I believe when somebody tells you that if
they bring up the concept that this guy's manufacturing weapons
in his basement, like, that's somehow a problem, you probably
didn't know at the time that that's not a federal crime to
manufacture weapons. As long as they're personal use,
you can manufacture all you want.
And I've done it. I've made polymer 80s.
I've gone out there. You can build all kinds of you
can go and get a pipe, you can cut it and you can put a, you
know, a primer striker on it and you can set up a chamber and you
can shoot it out of a pipe. You can make a pipe shotgun if
you like. That's legal.
That's American. There's a long tradition of of
creating your own weapons, but when presented.
Say that they added something like he was selling them or you
know they had auto sears or what something to make it a crime.
Which we know they would have charged him with if that was the
case. Right.
So, yeah, So obviously not the case.
And then two, yeah, him being in the sling, like it's just like
how, how, how did nobody know that or did they and not tell
us? And then two, like you said,
like, yeah, I had no reason to doubt my team leader.
I why would I? Why would I have I at that point
in those first six months I'd probably been on?
Keywords at that point. And that's really what it comes
down to. We have to look at the time and
the circumstances and and a lot of this I'm hammering home is
reasonableness. A lot of it is ignorance too.
I was, I've told people that I like.
In 2017 I got a briefing about the members of the far right or
the alt right and it was so absurdly stupid, included Proud
Boys stuff. I'm going to show you what's in
this article too. What the what the government
argued and what's reality and so we'll do this real quick from
the from the KC Star article. So folks if you're seeing on the
screen right now what we're this is a little bit more of that
quotation. The government filed a motion on
Thursday saying that the informant who testified also in
Ethan Nordeen's trial who's been on the show was an unreliable
witness and the credibility of his reporting was impeached on
several issues. Obviously the court should view
it with skepticism. He was a participant then.
They also said that one of the issues was that there was a text
message that Chris Cooney received and the text message
said he received his first degree on the evening of January
6th. It's a celebration of his
participation, not a disavowal of what happened there.
It said that his phone contained a deleted message on January 6th
from the riot up for where the sender congratulates,
congratulates him and says Congrats on the first degree.
In other words, being a first level formal proud boy in the
initiation. So that sounds really
incriminating that he got. First of all, he didn't send it.
He didn't say give me my first degree.
Someone else sent it, which you are not responsible for in this
country. But more importantly, I pulled
this from Business Insider. How a boy or how man becomes a
boy. This is a really, really one
sided article by the way. It's called We Are the Proud
Boys and it's this garbage Business Insider piece.
But it said, based on extensive research and information gleaned
from left wing informants within the organization, possibly the
gayest paragraph ever written by someone who believes that
they're a reporter. The Senior editor at the
HuffPost says that there are 4 tiers of membership within the
Proud Boys. By the way, you could also just
live it. Listen to Gavin McGinnis, who's
talked about this long form in very open form.
If you don't need a freaking left wing informant, just listen
to him talking to people like Joe Rogan or any of the other
podcast that he went on 'cause he talked about this a lot.
The first degree that you receive as a Proud Boy, so they
have degrees one through 4, is that you declare allegiance to
the Proud Boys Open and often online and in your personal
life, all those are options. In other words, you basically
just say, yeah, I'm a Proud Boy, so you and I could be first
degree Proud Boys right now on the show.
That's how that's how exclusive that that first degree is.
The first degree was that he basically participated in
something with them publicly, which you're allowed to, it
turns out, in America. And for the FBI, the case agent,
the AUSA, whoever, including that little bit taken out of
context. And they wonder why we don't
trust them. They wonder why we can't trust
them. They wonder why people like us
came forward and said, you know, there's actually a lot of things
going on going pretty haywire inside the DOJ, inside the FBI.
Well, it's because of crap like that.
Like you're you're plucking this out to try to prove your point,
but the broader context reveals that you're nothing but a lying
piece of garbage when you have this noble, allegedly noble duty
to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
And you're lying. And in this case, I would say
it's even worse. It's worse than me saying your
your live on air sign behind you is is red when we all know it's
blue. That's a direct lie.
But they're deceiving here by pulling that text.
And that's even worse because I asked my daughters this.
There's the father of lies. I I got the red 10.
That one's red. Yeah, that one's red.
I don't want to make you a liar, but go ahead.
You got it covered. I got you the who's the father
of lies. It's Satan.
And that deception, and that twisting is, is, is from the
pits of hell, man, When you're supposed to uphold the truth,
when you're supposed to uphold justice.
And it's like, well, any little piece that I can twist and turn
to try to make this person the evil wicked felon that he is
when everybody knows, well, now that they aren't.
And what's going to happen to that case, agent?
What's going to happen to that AUSA?
Nothing. Nothing.
I I didn't want to leave you on the on the the line here by
yourself as the only person that's ever done these things
where you participate in the case and feel like you were
deceived. So I'm going to share one of
mine. It's one that bothers me and and
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Let me let me not leave you on the hook here, if you don't
mind. Garrett, I want to read this one
because this is quite important to me.
This is coming from that that complaint that I sent you, which
you've now have some a little bit of familiarity with.
And folks on the screen what you're seeing is a DOJ press
release Tampa man sentenced to 18 years for attempting to
provide material support to ISIS.
Well, that sounds like a thing we want to do, right?
Tampa Judge U.S. District Thomas Barber sends
Mohammad Matmes Al Azari, 26 years old, to to 18 years in
federal prison, followed by lifetime of parole for
attempting to provide material support to designate A to a
designated foreign terrorist organization, specifically ISIS.
The court ordered that he forfeit certain assets that were
traceable as proceeds from the offence.
OK, including gear and so on and so forth.
Well, none of that sounds terrible.
So he's 26 years old in February of 2023.
Let's go back three years. He's 23.
In 2020, when I was following him around, and there's some
really interesting pieces in the press release here, it says.
According to the court documents, he pled guilty
February of 23, spent most of his life abroad.
Well, he's only 26 years old, so that should tell you something.
He began to embrace dogmatic Islamist or Salafist beliefs.
He was released from a Saudi prison in 2018.
OK, the story goes is that this guy happened to be in a Saudi
prison for a terrorism charge, which is pretty suspect because
I don't think that we think there's a lot of fairness in the
Saudi Kingdom. Their human rights violations
are pretty significant. And what it says is that he had
multiple interactions with the FBI undercover employee, what we
call AUCE, and a confidential human source of CHS in April and
May of 2020. I was there in Tampa in May of
2020 when he was arrested. My team was one of the last
groups that was surveilling him just before the SWAT team came
and took him down. At the time, he was in the
process of buying guns from an undercover employee and
including a fully automatic rifle, which by the way wasn't
fully automatic. It was just a weapon system that
they presented and it probably wasn't even with a real firing
pin. He was arrested on state charges
for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, and then after
his release from state custody, he tried to buy firearms from
the UCE. He met with the CHS, attempted
to convert the CHS to Islam, confided in the CHS about his
affiliation with ISIS, which he did swear allegiance to and
details all this kind of stuff and how we plan to send money as
well as material support. He also wanted to kill people.
He wanted to do robberies, home invasion, robberies, murders,
etcetera. This guy was a bad dude.
He tried to buy a suppressed handgun, a Glock and A and a
silencer from the FBI. All of that sounds pretty good
on the up and up, does it not? That sounds like a righteous
case. Certainly does, based on the way
they presented it there. Now here's the real problem.
In the criminal complaint, in the affidavit, which I'm looking
at off my screen over here, they made-up facts, including the
fact that he was a felon who could not possess A firearm
because he was convicted of as a juvenile.
By the way, he was convicted of terrorist offenses in Saudi
Arabia. Now you know, and I know that if
you can are convicted of a crime in a foreign nation as a
juvenile, even if you're convicted in the United States,
by the way, as a juvenile, you're not going to forfeit your
ability to own a firearm. Under 18 USC 922.
That doesn't happen. He's AUS citizen who had every
right to own them and legally bought them previously.
So the FBI manufactured facts in this they substantially there
was a substantial lie about that.
And then the other problem, which is saying he spent most of
his time overseas, he spent a lot of his time from puberty on
in a Saudi prison being tortured.
And this is the class, the classic story that my team used
to refer to as the Twisted Wiener story.
The twisted Wiener story is that while he was being interrogated
by FBI agents before they arrested him, by the way, this
was just a voluntary interview and as they moved into an
interrogation, he said I have a hard time meeting girls.
He copped to a bunch of mental problems and their case brief to
us was that he was basically psychopathic.
He wasn't sociopathic. He had basically had a real
break with reality. He didn't know what was real and
what was not, and he hadn't slept in like something like 6
months. And we knew that because they
had wires in his house and they were able to listen to every
single thing he did, and he and he never slept for more than
like 45 minutes to an hour. Imagine, like basically every
mom who's ever had a newborn baby, except it just never
stopped because he woke himself up with his own alarm system and
read the Quran until he sobbed. But the crazy thing was, is that
he had acid dripped on his genitals and his legs and his
pelvic girdle to the point where they scarred up his entire
pelvic girdle. And he claimed that his, his
penis was deformed by the Saudi government.
Then he was put back in a cell with his father who betrayed him
and the father beat the shit out of him over and over again
because his father didn't want to be involved in being in
prison and and basically he basically said no, it's all my
son's idea. The 16 year old kid, the one
relationship you wouldn't want to expect to to to betray you.
The guy betrays him. So now he's getting the crap
eaten out of him in his cell. He's getting the crap beat out
of him by the Saudis. He's getting acid dripped on him
and the agents knew that and they and they were aware that
all the stuff had happened. So all this stuff happens and
rather than do the Baker Act thing, you were a local cop.
You know, somebody calls you up and says hey, my buddy is not
well and he probably shouldn't own guns.
He needs to be psych evaluated. What can you do?
You can you can do a a a mental eval on them and if it if you
have, you know basically probable cause but it's it's
it's criteria. In Wisconsin we call that
criteria. Then you take them to the
hospital and then like an actual mental health provider or you
know doctor comes and does their own eval.
And then you take them over to the county mental health
facility and they stay there for three days or maybe maybe longer
and hopefully get some additional follow on care that
they need. And in this case it's like well
all of the all of that detail, all of that context like yeah
Saudi prison will do that to you.
It'll cause you to break. And now he he's here.
And instead of using America and our greatness to actually help
this person, well, we'll just throw them in prison because
terrorism. Because I need a stat.
Because I need a case. Because I can use an undercover.
Because I can use the CHS. Because I can get all of these
things annotated for. I bet you they worked this case
for at least a year because you got to keep it going.
It's not the only case they did. They've done this before.
They did it a decade earlier, and so producer Phil was on one
like that. That was identical, but the case
brief was identical minus the mental illness.
The the takedown was identical. And here's the really wild part,
which I found out after reading the affidavit, because you never
know this when you're actually participating as part of the
asset. SWOT is an asset.
It is a tool that is used. Surveillance is a tool that is
used. You don't get the full case
brief. You don't know all the
circumstances or all the investigative steps.
What I found out was that just like all the other entrapment
cases that we've seen, what they did was they intercepted a not
firearm. I just need to hammer this home
in May of 2020. Even against like the the
bullshit sort of way that the ATF operates, they still hadn't
declared what are called polymer 80s.
These are frames that you can mill out and create a weapon.
It's a lower than you have to put a parts kit in.
There's a ton of work that has to go and you don't just get out
of a box and, you know, put it on a drill and then start
shooting it. In fact, if you start shooting,
it probably doesn't work even after you've done all the right
things. In my experience, you got to be
pretty good at it. So long and short, this guy
bought a polymer 80, which was a legal purchase from eBay, which
was a legal way to convey that of a not firearm because it
needed a bunch of work and it's considered 80%, which makes it
not a gun according to the federal government.
Even even then it was not considered a gun.
The FBI had it intercepted en route for him being a felon in
possession. Now they've actually interfered
with the mail service. They've probably actually broken
federal law and claiming something that is not true and
falsified in the affidavit. They intercepted his property.
Then they bought the eBay account from the eBay seller for
$25,000 and began communicating with him in an online undercover
way, trying to get him to agree to buy additional weapons.
Then they introduced somebody locally and then they introduced
the undercover, and then they got that person to swear to
ISIS. Should this guy be on the
street? No way.
The dude was dangerous, there was no doubt about it.
But he was more of a danger to himself than anything else.
That's the incredible part. And I know you've worked CT
cases, so feel free to just. Spit on it.
Yeah. Well, you know, honestly, both
of these cases we've talked about today, now, my experience
and yours, it reminds me of a conversation Steve and I had on
the American Radicals podcast yesterday.
We had Trevor Aronson on who I know you, you are fond of his,
his book The Terror Factory, and he's got a Ted talk out there
and and whatever. And and this was the
conversation we were having about these cases, about cases
he's discovered. This is the playbook.
This is what they do. I mean, think of look, think of
what what Kyle just said about this case.
The effort, the time, the energy, the amount of money they
put in to get to get. I'm gonna say that to get that's
what it was to get this guy who really is, is just, you know,
mentally disabled at this point because of what happened to him
in a Saudi Arabian prison. But we gotta get him.
What's even uglier is when we were getting briefed, the case
agent who I believe 'cause she's the one who signed this, this
this complaint. Her name is Cynthia Hazel.
She joined the FBI same time I did 2016.
So, you know, she might have been in my class that I don't
recall. We had a big enough class.
Or maybe she was in one of the earlier ones.
She was probably at the Academy. We I almost a guarantee that we
cross paths at some point, you know, physically in the same
buildings. She she briefed our team that
you're probably going to have to kill this guy.
There's almost no chance he's going to come in peacefully.
That was the brief. You ever gotten that brief?
No. And that insane.
That's it. That's it's completely insane.
It's completely insane. You're probably going to.
Have to kill him. And and there was the the
special agent in charge of Tampa was actually removed from all
the calls and had to stop. Had to start self censoring
because he was on calls with the United States Attorney in the in
the area plus Main Justice. It was the biggest single case
going on in the FB is counterterrorism world at that
time and he was briefing the SAC The top guy in the Tampa field
office was saying someone just needs to kill this MF uh let's
just take this guy out. Like a bunch of really crazy
stuff was said on recorded calls to like 100 plus people.
To the point where my boss, who is a killer at the time.
So my boss was a former HRT guy who has been a Ranger battalion
W Pointer. One of those honorable people by
the way doesn't work for the FBI anymore.
Go figure. Yeah.
And before retirement too. Who came?
Who he like? I think he wanted us to work for
like Child Exploitation cases. That's where he felt righteous.
And my boss heard it and he's like, look dude, I've been on a
lot of these calls. I've been a lot of these briefs.
He was a he was a team leader for HRT and the and the the
story in the FBI is when HRT that's the hostage rescue team,
our tier one SWAT team. When HRT shows that people get
dead, that's their internal level joke.
But that's what happens. They send HRT when people need
to get dead, or when they need someone so dangerous that
they're going to basically overwhelm them with the most
capable operators they have, and they're super capable.
You've probably seen it for sure.
They're really good. My boss said this was.
My, my best friend from Wichita, a guy who was on SWAT team with
in Kansas City, we we tried out together.
He was a former cop. He's on HRT now and stud.
He's one of the, he's one of the few who's who still talks to me,
I mean. Yeah, no, they tend to be men of
principles. And what's amazing is, is those
men also know. They know what what real danger
looks like. Most of the time they have a
pretty good assessment of it. They train for all the
scenarios. And if your boss, who's a
killer, comes to you and says I've never heard anybody talk
this recklessly before and he said we basically need to button
this up, he's like, I've never heard somebody say.
We're gonna have to kill this MF.
Or on a call like that, like you might privately have a
conversation. Like, dude, I don't know if
we're gonna be able to take this guy live.
That's a different conversation with your buddies than making
your case brief and making it an official statement to the teams,
because that goes in my surveillance log.
And then inserting that into agents heads now they're they're
pre empted with this. So anything this guy does
they're thinking gun, I'm going for my gun.
And also, let's think of this in a broader FBI law enforcement
context. Ever hear of a thing called due
process, Mr. SAC? Like you.
Give me a break. This is like this is, you know,
Criminal Law 101 right here. It's just the basics of it
there. There's a presumption of
innocence, by the way, that guy gave up like a like a kitten.
They threw a flash bang at his feet.
He gave up like a kitten. Here's the other sad story, and
I covered this all in a podcast previously, but we got more
audience. We got new audience.
The The saddest thing about this whole story was one of the
sources that the FBI had a cooperating witness was his
sister who saw the problems. Now, I'm not sure if it's the
older sister, the younger sister, but his younger sister
also knew that there was some issues with this guy and wasn't
so concerned about him being a menace that she actually allowed
him to be around his, his nieces and nephews.
He had three, I think, I think he had two nephews and one
niece. So she had three young children.
She was in her like younger than him.
So she had babies like 18/19/20 kind of thing.
And he was 2122 at the time. Here's where it gets really
crazy. The FBI flash bangs and arrests
the brother. That girl breaks, goes to a
substation of the Sheriff's Department, unrelated to this
case. The Sheriff's Department knew
nothing about the background on it.
She's crying outside on video camera.
I could probably find the the video of it.
She's crying outside and a a a local patrolman, a patrol deputy
comes out and says hey man, can I help you?
She produces A10 inch butcher knife from underneath her hijab
because she's in full traditional garb.
Tries to stab the deputy, catches him in the arm and he
shoots her and puts her down. Now we have three children that
are going to grow up knowing exactly what happened, that
their mom was put down by a cop with no further information
about that. They were very young.
They are always going to be without their mother.
And she was put down because the FBI failed to do the simple
thing, which was to take that guy and get a mental help, which
is what the what the sisters were reporting him for that he's
dangerous because he's got some problems with his mind.
He's got these guns. We'd love it if you guys like
they were asking for a Baker Act.
They were asking for a mental health commitment and the Bureau
instead arrested, got the stats and now that woman is dead.
The FBI did as much to destroy that family as the Saudi
government did. Let that sit in.
I mean, we know they're evil. Look what they did to Jamal
Khashoggi. They they they assassinated him
and chopped them up and took them out in a body bag.
Yeah. And then they dissolved them in
acid. Yeah, these are evil.
This is evil, An evil regime. And your government did as much,
maybe in some ways more, to destroy this family as that evil
regime did. I'm gonna.
I'm gonna tag another one, too. I went to Pensacola, to the
naval base shooting. We did a whole show about this,
about the guys who responded to it.
We brought on, We brought on one of the gentlemen who was
actually one of the responders to that shooting.
They were all Saudis as well. They were the Saudis that came
in and killed Americans on American soil on AUS Navy base
that were in pilot training. And then we just let them, you
know, they're probably PNG and sent home now.
Maybe they had their heads cut off at at home.
I don't know. I'm.
I imagine that embarrassing the Saudi crown is probably not
good. But they didn't get justice in
America like all these guys that conspired.
They were just deported. They just went back to wherever
they came from or maybe they got medals for killing an American
for all I know. I don't know what the story was.
I know that they were the military there was embarrassed.
So they were showing some, you know, sense of being contrite.
But how crazy is it that you look at the, the double standard
that's going on there and this is the reasonableness thing that
people have to understand. This stuff I learned after the
fact when I read the affidavit because you're not given an
affidavit of what the case is when you're briefed on it.
You weren't given an affidavit when you guys were outside that
house. But here it is again.
This is what you saw, which is very unsettling because of how
nice a neighborhood it is, because there's an American flag
hanging out there in the lights of that BearCat.
Right. And and that sense of unease is
not the same thing as knowing that you were involved in
something that is truly evil, that it's important for people
to understand that that that sense takes time to root and
grow. And there's a reason why when I
finally came out and I know the same thing with you, it wasn't
like, oh, I just saw something and I threw the bullshit flag.
That's not how it works. Would you agree on that?
I mean it. It takes a while to understand
because they're breaking a deep seated trust that we've had in
an institution like we're system idealist, as Steve likes it to
call it. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, yeah, it definitely, like built it.
It built over time, definitely. I mean, that was February of 21.
I didn't start speaking to Congress until November.
So there had been, you know, many more months in between
there and and and look, it wasn't everything every day that
I thought or I had unease about or I thought was wrong, but it
was building, building, building, building.
And you know, I mentioned it earlier.
I, I really want to hone in on this part.
James 5 I just pulled this up. James 5 verse 16 says therefore
confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that
you may be healed. I really wanna hone in on my
apology to the CUNY family for participating in this evil
against them. And if anybody listening knows
them, please try to get them in touch with me through Twitter.
At GOB Actual through my attorneys, the Banal Law Group
have have their attorneys contact them 'cause I would like
to apologize to them in person, not just on a podcast, but to
actually tell them man to man or or me to to all of them.
I am sorry, I'm sad. I can't apologize on behalf of
that entire SWAT team and and and on behalf of you know, the
the the negotiator or case agent or whoever was in the door,
which also should should be another indicator that is there
a real threat here? Why do you have SWAT if you're
going to just go up to the door anyways and talk to the wife and
the child? That's what that was.
Let me throw it one more time. Up here, they literally just
walk right past. Watch this.
There's no shield blocking. There's nothing to keep her like
she's standing in basically a threat zone.
That's a fatal funnel that she's standing in right there, because
that's a hallway outside of a door where that's where shots
go. So there, there's a very
lackadaisical attitude about that entry.
That doesn't. I mean, it looks like a training
scenario to me where you have players that are like, out of
play. It doesn't look like this is a
lethal threat. And we're going to move this
woman into the snow because there's a possibility that we're
going to catch rounds. These guys are walking in the
way that they're supposed to. Smooth, right.
You know, slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.
They're doing the thing that you're told, but you also have
like bystanders and A and a guy who's looking away from where
the threat zone would be, not covering down on it.
You're just sending bodies through a doorway.
By the way, unbroken glass, unbreached door, it looks like
obviously was a voluntary entry there.
All these things are a big problem.
Yeah it you know I don't I don't know that the the regular agent
who was there at the door but it that I.
That looked like a noble cop to me.
I don't know if that's. I think, I think it.
I think it was one of the negotiators.
I think I I don't know for sure, but what he was saying and how
he was acting I think is like the part that makes me the most
upset and like like don't, don't tell my son is, is this what I'm
thinking? Of It's OK, buddy.
There's nothing OK about. What's happening right here?
Nothing about this is OK That's right.
Like learn your de escalation or whatever better.
But it's not that, dude. It's not that.
Or or don't. Or just be the stoic FBI agent
who and and and pull them out of the threshold at least then.
But you approaching at all shows me you didn't think there was
any threat there, so why is SWOT there?
It's gross. The reason why I wanted to cover
this is because we all have instances of this.
Everybody asks, like, how can people don't know?
I think people are starting to grow.
We're finding out. I had a friend reach out to me
and tell me that the Office of General Counsel is giving
briefings about EEO and they're talking about the suspendables
and rolling their eyes in it. That's kind of incredible to me.
There's something pretty amazing about that being the case.
I also got this kind of goofy. I don't know if I put it on the
screen or not. Maybe I can throw it up on the
screen here. I don't know if I have one, so
let me let me let me throw it on the screen, 'cause I actually
have it sitting on my desktop here.
I want people to be able to read it there.
There's this, this amusing little moment where I I went to
Google AI and I asked him about the suspendables, which is
actually, which is amazing. So let's throw this up on the on
the screen for folks to read it. Let's see there.
There's two things about this AI that if I first of all, Google
AI apparently very woke and kind of, you know, racist and and
only has pictures of black people.
But what I wrote was that you know, what is the, you know who
are the FBI suspendables And this is what it showed.
The term FBI suspendables is not an official designation used by
the FBI. It seems to be using two main
contacts. One is a general term for FBI
employees facing suspension, asterisk or it couldn't refer to
any employee facing disciplinary action that could lead to
suspension, blah blah blah. Importantly, it doesn't imply
guilt or a specific accusation. It's just a status in the
disciplinary process or two In recent political controversies
recently, some have used the term FBI suspendables to label
certain FBI agents who have been suspended or facing disciplinary
action. This uses typically comes blah,
blah, blah blah, blah. It comes after the groups of the
individual are critical of the FBI, often claiming these
suspensions are politically motivated or unfair.
It's important to note that these claims are disputed, so
Google wants to make sure that there is context to the
Suspendables label. I think that's kind of fun.
It also said that using vague labels like Suspendables is it's
crucial to seek more information from more credible sources, like
established news outlets or the official reports.
They can provide more accurate, nuanced information about
personal actions within the FBI and avoid perpetuating
potentially misleading narratives.
You know, Garrett, that misleading narrative that the
FBI is doing evil things. It's nice that Google's running
cover. This bullshit chat bot is
running cover for the Bureau as they continue to engage in
obviously evil activity that is slowly growing, I think, at
least in people's awareness. Yeah, for sure it's it's in in a
way it well it's a double edged sword.
It's remarkable, this technology.
It's crazy. Then it can even just curate
that. But but then probably because of
the programmers, it curates it in a not entirely truthful
manner, which of course that's to be expected.
That's exactly what the FBI would want.
Just as they curated the case. You were involved with the case
I was involved with, the the Whitmer takedown Steve was
involved with and many, many, many, many, many many other
cases, they curate them in this false way.
So you know, I guess it's par for the course with Google AI.
It's I I guess it's expectable but it it is not my favorite
thing to see. We were going to cover down on
the shooting that happened in in Lakewood.
We'll do that another time. Maybe I'll cover it on Friday so
folks will stick around the the body Cam footage came out there.
I have some thoughts on what happened in that church but the
the overwhelming sense that I have is you must continue to be
your own first responder. You can't rely on organizations
like this. You can't rely on them to do the
right thing. You shouldn't talk to the FBI.
If they come and knock on your door.
I think Eric would back that one up for me.
Tell people where the easiest place to follow.
I've been throwing up your your handle on the screen.
You now unlocked your Twitter. So anybody who's following on X
can can actually go after you now and they you can do it.
You want to go ahead and plug anywhere that people?
Might want to follow you. Yeah GOB actual on Twitter,
Instagram, Truth, my sub stacklastline.substack.com and
of course the hyphen suspendables.com.
If you want to get some merch, those would be best.
But yeah, GOB Actual is now open on Twitter.
So by all means, come and give me a follow if you want.
When I was in DC last week, I told my attorneys that I
basically just tweet Bible verses and and shots at the FBI.
So they have a problem with the Bible and my First Amendment,
right? Well, they already had a problem
with me. So how much does it really
matter? And then your friend Dan
Bongino, a true supporter of these suspendables, put me in a
tweet with you and Steve and a a long list of other people.
And I thought, you know, I think I think it's time.
So. Yeah.
And you had some you had some pretty good coverage on that too
which is a lot of people. I think it started to find you
available and follow you. You just said Dan Bongino, look
at this. They were just they just made me
aware of this. Dan covered my tweet the other
day about what's going on and the story that we had covering
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And maybe I will. Maybe when I move that will be
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We kind of teased it out there that nobody was going to see who
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It's weird, man. And that to me, and you won't be
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But Isaiah 68. Here am I.
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You know what? I've been reading some of the
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And he goes after Isaac. The answer is also here I am it
it's I wonder what the what the actual the Hebrew words are.
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But thanks Garrett for being on with me and for sharing this
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And we'll see you soon, buddy. Sounds good.
Thanks for having me as always. All right.
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I really do appreciate you having the the interest and the
context. We had a pretty good number here
in the live chat this morning. Or no Dan Bongino, but we are
slowly building up a loyal number of people that care about
nuance, context, the grey area between what is black and what
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explanation. It's simple and so much is that
there's just no easy answers. But the complicated part is that
we have to actually look for it. You have to want it, and you
have to know that that the knee jerk reaction is probably not
correct, which is which is tough.
Because we all want to make those spot judgments.
We want to be headline readers here.
We read the the deeper context. We read the fine print.
So we'll see you guys again tomorrow on Thursday.
You guys are having a great day. I hope it's not 26 where you
are. I hope it's closer to 75.
And God bless you. See you in the morning.
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