Take a look behind the curtain with a real whistle blower, an
American patriot. Prepare to embrace the
uncomfortable truth because this program has no time for
comforting lies. Here is civil liberties
enthusiasts, Second Amendment defender and recovering FBI
agent Kyle Seraphin. Well, hello my friends, welcome
to the Kyle Serafin Show. Today is Monday, it is September
the 22nd, and looks like we had a little difficulty getting our
YouTube channel to start running, but it is running now.
So thanks for all of you who are joining me.
And we're going to talk today about something that I just
can't, I just can't shake. I can't get over it.
I can't move on from it. Somebody referred to me as a
libertarian this morning as a well known commentator on the
political right. I'm not a libertarian, I'm a
conservative guy. And I don't understand why we
keep making excuses for people that are not conservative and
why we keep acting like things that are not true are true.
So we're going to talk about the UNI party.
I see more and more people waking up to the fact that the
they're basically the same group.
I've got a really good little political meme that was put
together. You think that the it's the left
side and the right side of an airplane wing and they just show
it's no, they're both on the same darn side.
It continues to be. And you can do this by real
simple metrics. You can go look at how much
money our government spends. It also is relatively shocking
if you evaluate things in terms of numbers, dollars and the debt
that we are putting on our children.
There was a memorial service over the weekend and one of the
things that was most poignant that I took away was RFK
Junior's speech where he talked about there are things that are
worse than dying and it's living in slavery.
And what is it to be in debt to someone but a form of slavery?
And what would it be to pass on a national debt that is so
absurdly big that you can no longer keep track of it?
Do you know that before 911 our national debt was less than $6
trillion? We should say that one more
time. It was $5.8 trillion of national
debt for the entirety of the founding of America moved up to
September 11th of 2001, and now we're at like $37 trillion, of
which Republicans are responsible for about $25
trillion of that. Republican speakers of the House
have brought forward enough budgets that we have now done
what, almost 5X the entire history of America in the last
2021 years? I mean, that's not drunken
sailor spending. That's spending like you have
terminal cancer and they gave you a couple of weeks to live.
They just like these numbers are are they're meaningless.
So how is that even possible? It's possible because the people
that are running our country don't actually hold any
principles, it looks like. And it seems pretty obvious to
me. And of course, my my favorite
punching bag right now is Speaker Mike Johnson.
Mike Johnson, who famously promised that he would step in
for Kevin McCarthy. He was going to be a Republican
speaker of the House. That was going to do one thing
and one thing only. He promised to end continuing
resolutions. He promised to end this, kick it
down the the can and actually do the job of the Congress, which
is to pass single issue appropriation bills.
Each individual government agency should be spent with a
very clear, transparent dollar amount and we should be able to
see what they were. And they were going to get a yes
or a no vote from the folks inside our Congress.
And that's never happened. It's never happened under him.
It's pretty amazing. It's and by amazing, I mean it's
it's a black pill moment. It's for those of us that look
out there and say there is absolutely no way to fix the
system and it just has to eventually crash on its own.
A lot of folks thought that Donald Trump was going to be the
solution to this. It's pretty clear that that's
not the case. If anything, he was a speed bump
in some of the government tyranny.
He's done his own versions of it.
I don't think it's anywhere near as ridiculous as the people on
the political level say. And that's why moderate, let's
call them reasonable voices on the right are the ones that have
to be able to do real commentary.
We have to be able to push and say, look, this is good, this is
bad, these are balls, these are strikes.
Why would that be? Because if you have a fixed set
of principles that you operate under, then you actually have a
fixed strike zone. We can call balls and strikes if
we know what that, what they look like before the pitch is
thrown. Otherwise, if you're just
rooting for a team, then you're going to find yourself just
cheering on whatever comes your way because he's our guy.
It's not a good way to operate. It certainly isn't a good way
of, of, of having a country that's principled.
We find out that more and more people in America are not
principled. It's tough.
It's tough to, to evaluate. It's tough to see that.
And, and it's also very frustrating for me because I
want my kids to not live in debt slavery.
I don't want our country not to fall apart.
And I'd like our country to be better for the next generation,
which is kind of been the hope of Americans for a very long
time. And it doesn't seem like that's
what we're going to be offering them.
We're going to be offering them hard times and difficulties and
inheriting the problems for the last 100 years.
I don't know when it stops. I don't know if it does.
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color. All right, we're going to get in
today's program right now. We're going to be talking about
the Uniparty. We're going to talk about the
Charlie Kirk Memorial. We'll talk about Trump's most
authoritarian week yet. I don't know what the heck
that's all about. And then I'm going to show you
what happens when the DOJ is not de weaponized.
Let's get into it here. Let's start off with the first
story. You can't help but acknowledge
that Charlie Kirk's memorial service drew enormous crowds and
lots of people went to Arizona. I had a couple people reach out
to me that are sort of well known names on the on the right.
And they said, hey, are you going to be there?
And I went like, no, why would I be there?
I don't. I won.
I despise crowds. I want nothing to do with.
I understand that the the idea that there are crowds does tell
us something about the the public support for the man.
And I think that's great for the family, but you will not catch
me in a crowd like this on purpose.
My friend Joe Altman went and so if you guys have not seen, he
had a reflection. He was angry while he was
sitting there and not angry at Charlie Kirk and not angry at
the people that showed up to to, you know, pay their respects to
his wife. But he was angry that we have to
be at this place in America. It was like a combination of a
state funeral and a political rally.
And some of it was a little bit difficult to watch for me.
So I kind of came in and out a couple different times.
They were better and worse speakers, as you guys can
imagine. And a lot of it did seem like it
was kind of doing a MAGA thing. I guess that's what Turning
Point USA does. But something about a new widow
of a young man with young kids coming out on a on a stage with
fireworks and pyrotechnic displays, it rubbed me wrong.
So forgive me that I'm not going to cover a ton of it.
I do think there were a couple things that were important that
were said. But again, a lot of it, I don't,
I, I, it makes me wonder if that's what Charlie Kirk would
have, would have wanted for himself.
The sad thing is, is if you're 31 years old, the odds are
you're not thinking about your own funeral, you're not thinking
about your death. I think that takes time before
you actually start making that reflection.
But is that, is that the thing that we're called to do?
Is it to have these big like pyrotechnic displays and a bunch
of people giving rah rah speeches?
We saw maybe some of, like I said, some of the better and
some of the worst things that could be out there.
At the end of the day, Erica Kirk went out and, and, and
forgave the man. It sounds like she she's also on
the same understanding that the person that they have arrested
was in fact the the shooting subject.
So there's some questions about that.
That's something we're going to cover as well because the FBI
director has decided to do what influencers do, which is get
clicks. But it does sound like she said,
I think the right thing, the Christian thing, those of us out
of examples and have seen this for a long time, people like
John Paul, the second you forgive the people that try to
kill you, you do good to those that hate you.
It is it's really got to be one of the toughest things.
And whether it was written by her and her own ideas or whether
it was something that a, you know, a speechwriter team came
up with, still getting up and putting those words out of your
own mouth after losing your husband.
It's admirable. I don't know that all of us have
that. I also think that the Holy
Spirit tends to give people strength in moments that would
otherwise be unbearable and impossible to stand with.
So CBS News did a little coverage of it.
They said a couple things. They said that the, the stadium
had more than 63,000 people inside of it.
They were, you know, north of 100,000 people on the the
various different places. They were all packed in there.
I watched a bit of Donald Trump talking about crowd size.
He was super interested in that. I felt like that was a little
bit off putting. It wasn't really my thing, but
they brought a lot of people from the political space to come
and give speeches. And a lot of folks from the
Trump administration went out there.
Fox News covered it. This is the White House
spokesperson giving her take on who he was as a man and, and
what they were going to drag out that way to, to celebrate that
person. Like again, combination
political rally and and state funeral type thing.
Even though it wasn't officially sanctioned by the state.
Charlie was an amazing man. He was not only an influential
political commentator, but he was a great a man of great
faith, of deep faith. And you know, before I take the
podium, I always pray to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I will continue to do that and I will continue to think about
Charlie and how he so boldly spoke the truth and courageously
spoke about his faith. And I know so many, the
president, the vice president, the speaker of the House, We
have cabinet secretaries who will be speaking at his memorial
service tomorrow in Arizona. We're actually taking two planes
full of White House staff. That just speaks to how many
people he touched at the highest levels of our government.
And he will surely be honored and remembered tomorrow.
So they brought a bunch of people out that, like I said,
better and worse from the Trump administration sort of showings.
Marco Rubio had a nice speech about Christianity.
There was a lot of of discussion of Christianity very openly and
outwardly. I've seen these videos where
people accused Charlie Kirk of being a Christian nationalist.
And he said, I am a Christian and I am a nationalist.
There are reasons that both of them, they're not in conflict
with each other. And I tend to agree with that.
There's biblical principles along with it.
But it was overtly political in a lot of ways.
And I guess the man lived in politics, so that makes some
sense. But the question I, I continue
to have is why do so many people who didn't know this man, young
man, why do they feel so directly and personally impacted
by his, by his assassination? Donald Trump summed it up this
way. He said, quote, Charlie's murder
was not just an attack on one man or one movement.
It was an attack on our entire nation.
The gun was pointed at him, but the bullet was aimed at all of
us. He was killed for expressing the
very ideas that virtually everyone in this room, in this
arena and most other places in our country deeply believed in.
The assassin failed because Charlie's message has been not
silenced, but it's bigger and better and stronger than ever
before. That was one of the better
pieces of of Trump's statement, and it was covered by CBS of all
places. That's not the way they always
tend to cover this. You also had things that were
written by Newsweek. They said this was Trump's most
authoritarian week yet. I don't know how in the world
they came up with that. They said that they're using the
assassination as an excuse to ramp up the ongoing campaign for
total political power. Of course, Rolling Stone has to
do their version of it. So that's why I think like, I
think they immediately get themselves kicked out of the
discussion. I think a lot of people turned
around and did something that I don't understand either, which
is that they made somebody else's passing about themselves.
I saw this on Cnni saw this on some other networks as well,
wasn't just on the left, but this is CNN discussing things
with Ilhan Omar. She took an opportunity to go
and talk about how gross a human being she is.
A little bit about her that we'll we'll talk about in a
second. Some of you guys have tagged me
on videos that I also saw discussing her family's move to
the United States. They also had some confirmation
last week that that she does look like she did indeed marry
her brother, which would be immigration fraud.
But it's not entirely obvious to me that that would result in her
deportation or that she could be denaturalized as a citizen.
There's a lot of questions about why these people who come to
this country and hate it, and they really do.
They really hate the things that we're about.
They're more than happy to take advantage of it and then try to
like, you know, shoehorn their terrible ideology into what we
do here. She made a a point of not
backing down. And so we're having this
discussion now at this time, the difference between liberals and
leftists. Once again, the discussion
between sort of good faith actors on the left who disagree
with us on principle and then the people who they can't
operate in good faith because everything about them is
progressive. I've seen this term used as well
for leftist progressive leftism. It's something I talked about
over a year ago with the folks at Catholic Vote and Edify It.
It's a it's its own religion. It takes the place of any other
religion. So I also wanted to kind of talk
about that a little bit. Let's start with Ilhan Omar not
backing down. She's going to hold on to her
criticisms and say what Things were really gross.
Again, so many people that I saw on the left turned around and
made this experience about themselves.
And Omar's a good example. And Jimmy Kimmel and all the
people on the political left that decided to say, hey, I also
have a part in this tragedy and it also it affects me.
They went out there and did that.
The meme where they pointed to the mirror and they said, get
out there and make this about you.
Here she is making it about her. I think.
I just think it was the video where it called him Doctor
Frankenstein and said his monster shot him through the
neck. I mean, obviously this is a
person and, and looking at this, this is someone who was a
husband and a father. And in the days after his
shocking death that happened as a result of, of his views or or
happened as a result, as he was sharing his views publicly with
people, that people found it jarring to to hear such
criticism of that in the immediate aftermath.
What I what I find jarring is that there's so many people
willing to excuse the most reprehensible things that he
said that they agree with that, that they're willing to have
monuments for him, that they want to create a day to honor
him and that they want to produce resolutions in the House
of Congress honoring his life and legacy.
It is one thing to care about his life because obviously so
many people that loved him including his children and wife,
but I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to
honor any legacy this man has left behind.
That should be in the dustpin of history and we should hopefully
move on and forget the hate that he spewed every single day.
It's a pretty aggressive take. It's a pretty nasty take from
someone that I think is a bad faith actor in the United
States. I saw this video over the
weekend. Some of you guys may not realize
this, that the a lot has been made of her being an immigrant
and she comes into this country and she's been able to become a
member of Congress. And that's pretty impressive for
our country. Not for her per SE, but I think
it says a lot about this nation and the way that we operate in
this nation and the openness that we have in the United
States. You don't hear her talk a lot
about or at least I don't about her gratefulness for this
country. This little clip adds some
context. I went and did a couple little
searches so that I could substantiate.
It does seem to be this is the mostly true I would say and the
way that it's. It's characterized that Ilhan
Omar's family came to the United States as refugees.
And that's a technical term, but in many ways we could look at
them as being political exiles. They were exiled from Somalia
because the regime that she, her family was a part of, that her
father worked under, which was a Marxist regime, as far as I can
understand, it was overthrown and so they were no longer safe
to stay in that country. And it's not quite the same
thing. This this guy makes the argument
that they are basically running from justice.
I don't know that there was a lot of justice in 1991 to 1995
Somalia. I think it was a, it's been a
failed state for quite a while, but this concept of why she got
here and why she might consider, you know, continue to be the way
that she is and why she we think she's so vile.
It's some it kind of makes more sense when you have this
context, I suppose. Let's take Ilan.
Omar as an example, OK, she. Comes from a family and they
call her a refugee who came from Somalia, right?
They call her a refugee. Her family were the governing
party, the Marxist Islamist government in Somalia, who were
overthrown and then fled now. Technically, that makes her a
refugee. But she wasn't fleeing
oppression. Or rather, her family weren't
fleeing oppression. They were fleeing justice.
They were their own people of holding them to account for the
dictatorship that they had established.
So you have people like the Omar family and what do they do?
Do they come to America and see America and go, OK, this is
pretty? Cool, they're not oppressing.
Each other. Let's be part of this.
No, they go. Hey, how can we?
Oppress them. You know, how can we bring
Marxism to America? That's that's the thought
process. And it may be a passive thought
process, but it's the thought process.
It kind of gives you at least a little bit of a shade.
And I want to talk about the the back story on it.
So Ilhan Omar's father's name was Nu Omar Mohammed, and he was
a Colonel in the Somali army under the regime of Syed
Bahrain. I think that's how it's said.
Mother died when she was two years old.
So didn't serve in the government.
But that was he was a a senior official as a Colonel and was
part of the Somali National Army, LED a regiment during the
Ugandan war in the late 1970s. And then after that conflict,
they claimed that he worked as a teacher trainer.
You saw that in the video as well.
If you could see the tiny print family fled Somalia to to escape
the civil war, which was intensified after the overthrow
in 1991 from the ruling party that they were obviously or he
was eventually a part of. So that's an interesting, it's
an interesting situation to find yourself in.
And again, we used to call that sort of thing political exile.
What's amazing is the United States doesn't do that.
We don't exile people when we have a government change.
There's an argument to be made that that's why we are as
dysfunctional as we are. That's the argument that the
deep state, that the the administrative state that exists
in this country is actually problematic.
It's because we don't remove people from service when they
serve one thing versus another thing.
And it also goes to the discussion about bad faced
actors. So I wanted to play a little bit
about leftism and liberalism. This is something that I had
never quite considered. I'm going to add a little
reflection on top of this. I saw this video this morning
and immediately I was like, I need to tell my wife about this.
I had never I, I, I've made the comparison that I think people
on the political left that are hard leftist, progressive
leftist or whatever operate kind of like more like teenagers and
toddlers. And, and I think this makes the
point, but what I did not consider is what, what the
specific mindset is. So you listen to this and we'll
have a quick commentary on this as well.
And, and then you see if it resonates with you.
Oh, does someone who is like of a certain level of maturity, age
or not level of intelligence and an informed person, how can they
still be a leftist? Because to me, it's a denial of
the reality of human nature. I think that's to the degree
like I can't, I just, I can't believe that there are adults.
That hold. These views that have seen and
been around and experienced humanity for a fair amount of
time that you could still be a leftist, well.
Certainly be the kind of deranged leftist, in other
words, the kind I mean. The problem one of the one of
the key beliefs of the left is that people are inherently good.
People are intrinsically good. And that it's.
It's corrupt social institutions that make them bad.
And if we could just create, if we could, if we could eliminate
all the flaws and and and societal institutions, then then
the natural goodness of people would would emerge.
I mean that is just like that is like the view of a 12 year old
who literally doesn't know anything about reality.
Isn't he right? I'd I'd considered most of those
those points individually, that it's a sort of immature and sort
of teenage attitude. This is why you see people that
want to back Marxism, that want to back socialism.
What I hadn't considered is the naive belief that it's the
governmental systems, the societal systems that are the
problem and that human beings have innate goodness.
What it does to actually live in that manner, to believe those
things is to, to essentially ignore original sin.
And so original sin is both a Judeo concept and it's a
Christian concept and it's something that we sort of
understand. That's the reason why we have to
have laws, is that people will in fact, given their, their
baser instincts will tend towards something.
And so you have to encourage things.
And So what do leftists do if they have the belief that there
is no such thing as original sin, that there is no such thing
as a problem within the human condition, that it's actually a
governmental or it's a societal construct.
They try to improve governmental and societal constructs to make
those things perfect, because then they would be able to
release the innate good of human beings with no evidence that
that's real. They actually deny the one thing
that our founding fathers understood.
I told you that I did a, a capstone class, or it was a, it
was an honors political science class when I was in college.
It's one of the really sort of neat things that I took away
from my my five years of being in college, which wasn't the
greatest investment of my time. And we did an evaluation of the
American experience in the American experiment in terms of
utopias and the way that utopias were always set out.
And there's three different basically historical ways that
you can create a utopia which are not real, right?
These are, these are hypothetical thought
experiments. One of the utopias is to have an
infinite land with an infinite amount of resources.
And so nobody would ever want for anything, and therefore they
have all the things they need, and they will be left to their
inherent goodness. The other way is to have perfect
human beings, which obviously don't exist either.
And perfected human beings would also be able to live in perfect
harmony with the world. They would have, you know, sort
of a symbiotic relationship with those things around them.
And then the last form of utopia was that you would have a
perfect governmental system that would contradict and counteract
all of the negativity that human beings may have.
So perfect place, perfect system, or perfect people,
that's the only way that you could have these.
So utopias are not physically possible.
So what did our founding fathers create in the American
experiment? They created a thing that said
we have many resources, but not perfect resources.
We have good people but not perfect people.
And we were going to have the best possible system to
compensate for a lack of perfect resources and perfect people.
We're going to try to do a thing where we do the best of all
three things, but a big chunk of that is that you must become, as
best you can, a good person. You can't turn around like a
Marxist, like a leftist, and say that the problem exists within
the governmental structure and societal constructs and ignore
that there is this thing called original sin or this instinct of
human beings to fall into our baser nature.
And that's what it seems like leftists do.
I'd never considered that before.
And it might be the single biggest argument for a Christian
nationalist position. Leftism ignores the reality that
all human beings who are over the age of, I don't know, like
15 or 16 can start really accepting the people make bad
decisions. And they do it because they want
to, because that's how given certain things like, you know,
all the, the, the, the deadly sins, you know, greed, lust,
coveting that which is not yours, all those things, they
have to be overcome as well. And that's what our governmental
system is trying to sort of mitigate, to act like the
governmental system in the 1st place was the problem that our
societal constructs like capitalism and so on, markets
that those are the problem. It's really, it's a really
missed opportunity. And again, it's a really
juvenile argument. Here's Charlie Kirk talking
about leftism and liberalism. I think we can revisit that and
find that people that do want to be liberal should have the same
principles as us, a lot of them. And we can have certain sort of
arguments on how to solve the problem.
I think this was the discussion that we were having last year as
well. How do you, how do you negotiate
with people that don't accept the construct?
If we agree on certain goods, if we agree on certain good
outcomes, and then we just disagree on how we get to them,
That's something you can have in good faith.
Charlie Kirk has had that discussion at some of his
events. This is a recording of one of
those discussions. And then there's the people who
simply want to impose their own ideology because they don't even
accept the original premise. We can't really work with them.
We, and I, don't think we will. There's a difference between
liberals and leftists, OK? It's a very big difference.
A liberal is someone I will disagree with, and we'll have a.
Wonderful time. We'll go out.
To dinner and we'll consider each other friends.
A liberal is someone that might believe in gay marriage, they
might believe in more accessible abortion, they might believe in
let higher taxes and they might believe in, you know, maybe more
social welfare programs. That's a liberal.
A liberal will agree to disagree.
A liberal will have the conversation and they'll say we
might not agree on this but I still treat you with respect and
I really like you as a person. A leftist will try to shut you
up before you even open your mouth.
A. Leftist does not believe in
capitalism whatsoever. A leftist is rooted in
intolerance. And you see this happen all over
the place in America where you not where college campuses get,
I get shot, shouted down. You heard my message tonight.
Do you think I'm a hateful speaker?
Do you think that, you know, I bring vitriol?
I get labeled by groups on the left in America that I should
not be allowed to speak on US campuses, that I'm somehow
spreading vitriol and hatred and I'm I'm spreading dangerous
ideas. There's a difference between a
liberal and a leftist. I don't think he's wrong there.
There is a difference. It's worth acknowledging.
The question is, where is that line and how hard is it to find?
And sometimes it's more hard than not.
And a lot of times you see people kind of dance back and
forth between those and they play both sides.
And I think CNN is guilty of doing that on a regular basis.
It's why they platform people like Ilhan Omar.
I do want to hear what she has to say so that I can push back
against it verbally so I can say that this is awful.
I'd like to. Then you get this sort of this
revisionist history, One of the things that trended at the end
of last week that started pushing out into the space was
this, this instinct to make it all about me.
And the right is just as guilty as the left was.
So watching This is why I had a hard time sitting and watching
the entirety of the the, the memorial service.
We saw people say the last thing Charlie Kirk said to me was
blank. And it just turns out that blank
was exactly what I want to do. All right, Christy Noem, the
last thing he said to me was we need to get these Liberal
governors in order and we need to go out and stop sanctuary
cities. Stephen Miller had a story about
it, right? Everybody came out and said the
last thing he said to me was blank.
And it was exactly my thing. It was my personal bugaboo.
If Charlie Kirk and I had been friends, apparently the last
thing Charlie Kirk would have said to me is we need to de
weaponize the FBI and the DOJ because that's the things he
apparently shared. Interestingly, the people on the
political left also got into this.
And so you have Anderson Cooper and Van Jones again.
Never, never take an opportunity to not make it about me.
There's a very narcissistic position that that could be
held. And I think a lot of these folks
that are out there in public, they can't help but see that
it's about themselves. Here's another example of that.
This was one of the reasons why I just thought, yeah, I I, I
found it to be kind of gross. If if and I was not unique in
the suspendables crew, our our behind the scenes discussion
about this was all everyone kind of had this, this feeling like
it's a little bit, it's a little bit gross.
And I and I, it makes me wonder, would this man have condoned the
way that his his death has been treated based on the way that he
lived his life? I'm not a I'm not 100% confident
it would have been. This is a celebration of Adm.
This is like, this is the self complimentary moment where it's
like, I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk, but he thought
enough of me that he would have had that discussion with me.
Well, it's a little too late for that.
Van Jones again, make it about himself.
I think the story begins. When a Ukrainian woman was
fatally stabbed last month in North Carolina, the suspect is a
black man, and Charlie Kirk and Van got into a public sparring
match online. Kirk claimed the murder happened
because she was white. Van denounced that as completely
unfounded. Kirk then sent out what Van
calls a fire hose of tweets challenging his argument, which
Van says sparked death threats against him.
In the midst of all of this, Kirk reached out to Van in a
direct message on X. Hey Van, I mean it.
I'd love to have you on my show to have a respectful
conversation about crime and race.
I would be a gentleman, as I know you would be as well.
We can disagree about the issues agreeably.
That message was sent on September 9th and says he did
not see it until the very next day after Kirk was murdered.
And Jones just wrote a piece about this for cnn.com and is
here tonight. I mean, this is extraordinary.
So this was received the day before he was killed.
Yeah. Look, I mean, we, we were
beefing. I don't know.
We were going at it online on air.
And then after he died, after he was murdered, my team called in
the van. He was trying to reach you, man.
What? And what was he doing?
Dialogue. Let's be gentlemen together, he
says, Let's disagree agreeably. So I'm sitting on this and I'm
watching the whole country talk about civil war, censorship,
justifying murder, about this guy.
This guy is reaching out to his mortal enemy, saying we need to
be gentlemen, sit down together and disagree agreeably.
And the next day he's killed. And I've sat on it long enough
and I just said, you know what, We're going to memorial weekend
for this man. We disagree.
Everybody knows we were not friends, OK, at all.
But you praise the good when it's time to memorialize
somebody. And what he did, and I didn't
even know it was good. He was not for censorship.
He was not for civil war. He was not for violence.
He was for dialogue, open debate and dialogue.
Even with me. Even with me.
All right, that is. Pretty nauseating.
And I'm going to give you Larry Elder's response.
He sent me Adm with his response to it.
And I I promoted this over on social media over the weekend
and I think it's actually worth hearing.
So we're going to go to that in a second.
Did you notice how he made it about himself?
And they talked about censorship because what the left tried to
do was conflate what happened to Charlie Kirk to what happened
with Jimmy Kimmel. One man was a a comedian making
allegedly like 100 and or making $20 million a year and had poor
ratings. And so they decided to go out
there and I think exercise some sort of, you know, hidden piece
in the contract that said if you say something that brings
discredit to the network, then we can get rid of you.
They took advantage of a business opportunity.
That's my guess. I think it's the most reasonable
explanation. And so the left turned on and
and said, well, Charlie wasn't about censorship and that's
true, but that's the fundamentally A pervert.
I think the way that this this experience went down and Van
Jones did the exact same thing. He met him, made it about
himself. I'm going to give you the Larry
Elder thing. So if you guys are feeling
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Larry Elders. I'm just going to.
I didn't put it on the screen because it's too small, but let
let me just quote him directly. Larry Elder says, quote.
Forgive me, Van Jones, for not being moved or impressed by your
brave acknowledgement of Charlie's decency.
Anyone with even a passing relationship with Charlie will
tell you about his willingness to engage civilly with those
with whom he disagrees, and so you deserve a cookie for stating
the obvious. More to the point, you're the
same Van Jones who, when CNN declared Trump the winner on
election night in 2016, immediately attributed
President-elect Trump's victory to White Lash, spearheading the
still widely believed BS narrative that Trump only won
because of angry racist white people who elected him.
I'd be more impressed if and when you acknowledge and
apologize for your major role as ACNN contributor in promoting
the hideous and racist anti white big lie that Trump was dog
whistling to white supremacist and elected by white supremacist
racist voters as a reaction in your word to quote against a
changing country and in part against a black president.
WTF And when will you apologize for your big time role in
helping fostering one side hates the other division in America
that has induced a disturbed man to buy into a narrative and to
engage in assassination against Charlie Kirk?
You're one of the primary reasons why the polls show
nearly 85% of blacks consider Trump to be a racist.
And So what is he talking about? He's talking about that one
president who probably was responsible for more division in
this country and then anyone has been in my lifetime.
By the way, Larry Elder said if you want a Bronze Star for
saying Charlie was a good guy, please pass me the barf bag.
So for those of you that find this kind of stuff nauseating,
you're probably going to need that barf bag.
This is the former president of the United States talking about
what he believed his role was as president.
And it is equally, I think, self praising.
It sits into the same kind of spot as Van Jones held onto.
And I don't think we can we can believe him simply because it
came out of his mouth. My.
View was that part of the the role of the presidency is to
constantly remind us of the ties that bind us together and we we
live in a big, complicated, raucous, diverse nation.
I've said before I believe it is what makes us exceptional.
There's. Never been an experiment like
this where you have people from every corner of the globe show
up on in one place and say based on these ideals, we hold these
truths to be self-evident. All men are created equal.
That based on that and a constitution and a Bill of
Rights and a democracy, that we can somehow figure out how to
get along and maintain our private beliefs and pray to God
in our own ways. That was hard to get out.
Wasn't it retain? Aspects of the cultures that we
bring from wherever it is that we're coming from.
And yet. Still decide that we are all
Americans who can salute that flag and believe in a certain
creed and defend this country and and try to make it better
for each successive generation. Is, is that what Barack Obama
actually did? Is that what his legacy was that
we we all sort of agreed that there was this how hard was it
him for him to say the word God? How hard was it for him to to
try to act like there was some sort of unified vision of what
America is supposed to be? I mean, did he grow up in
America where you were supposed to bring your culture and then
make us deal with your culture? No Whatever happened to the
melting pot idea today? And, and I considered to see it,
I can continue to see that the Democrat idea is that we are
supposed to be a Stew with blobs and chunks of non homogenized
pieces of other culture. And we're supposed to tolerate
and accept, however ridiculous or however antithetical they are
to American values, they're supposed to be able to exist.
And we're supposed to tolerate that as opposed to saying come
in and join the dominant culture, welcome to America.
There's some things we believe in.
We believe in a free market, we believe in capitalism, we
believe in free speech. We believe in vigorous debate.
We believe in discussing things and not taking to violence.
And if you have something that doesn't fit into that, that
can't stay. But if you want to bring your
cuisine or your music, if you want to bring something and you
want to preserve a tradition that doesn't violate our laws or
our our our understanding of the way that human beings are
supposed to interact, yeah, you can.
You can have that here too. You want to bring your you want
to bring your food. You want to bring some some zest
or some spice to it. Sure, it gets mixed in, but it
has to become part of the whole. It can't remain in a chunk.
And interestingly enough, a lot of these, these Marxist ideas
tend to do that. What they want to do is you guys
are in the chatter saying the word balkanize, right?
Which comes from a, from a Marxist experiment that
happened. It actually worked together
until it didn't in in the former Yugoslavia.
They want to maintain people's individual identity so you can
pit one side against the other. And they also always accuse you
of being a fascist. This was some of the the stuff
that was going on. This has been an ongoing
discussion about Donald Trump. He's authoritarian.
This has been his most authoritarian week.
And they finally found something that they can hang it on that he
is using the so-called, you know, the, the governmental
apparatus to cancel a comedian, God forbid.
But apparently they've seemed to have forgotten how much this
actually already happened. We're, we're living in a, a
country that seems devoid of like 5 years of real recent
history. So allow me to remind you that
under Obama, but more accurately, maybe under his
third term in, in Joe Biden, whoever the hell was running the
country then when that guy was, you know, wandering around
looking for his Roomba charger moment.
Don't remember that. Just recently in in the time
that I have been a public figure, we got access to what
they called the Twitter Files that happened in late 2022 and
suddenly realized that there was an official capacity of the
federal government to come in and crush and censor individual
citizens in violation of that Bill of Rights that that you
just heard Barack Obama sit out there and try to extol.
We have a Constitution that a Bill of Rights.
We just ignore the hell out of it because it's totally
inconvenient. Yeah, folks, why?
Why would you have a Bill of Rights?
It turns out that the government is not supposed to be powerful
enough to do any of the things that it did.
Here's Zuckerberg talking on Rogan.
It's the first time. Like, we should remind ourselves
of these things. And by the way, my former agency
was integral in this. And when this stuff started is
when my career ended because that was the end for me.
I already knew that they were problems, and I brought them up
internally. And it's like, hey, are we
really doing this? Are we violating federal law and
reverse targeting by using these intelligence investigations?
And they would explain it. Well, you don't really
understand what's going on. You're like, OK, maybe I don't,
maybe I don't. Maybe I've only been here a
couple years. I don't understand.
It became blatantly obvious by the time we rolled from 2020
into 2021. And the federal government came
and said, not only will you not have the right to speak, and not
only are we going to censor people, not only are we going to
lean down and cancel people, but also if you indicate you might
support those ideas, if you think that you're allowed to
have an alternative view, then the government's we're going to
get rid of you. And we're going to use things
like vaccine mandates and your religious beliefs as proxies for
your political beliefs. When I use the word purge to Jim
Jordan's office in October of 21 on, you know, November of 2021,
it became very clear that the word purge, I was using it as an
ideological purge. They found they being the FBI,
but all of government was doing the same thing.
And by the way, they were working across the entire
workforce. If you guys recall, they used
OSHA mandates first to go after private businesses.
They used any number of HHS type policies and CDC requirements to
do the same thing in other institutions like healthcare.
So a lot of different private businesses, whether you're
involved in transportation from dot, whether you're involved in
industrial process through OSHA, whether you're involved in the
medical industry. There were a lot of industries
that purged people and they did based on your likely beliefs.
And they found an ideological prophecy, which was whether or
not you were allowing the government to come in and
dictate what you did or did not do with your own body.
And they immediately forgot the my body, my choice bit, didn't
they? Because they don't need to have
principles. It's on a case by case basis.
Zuckerberg reminding us that people they, the Biden
administration did this and I consider the Biden
administration to be synonymous with what Barack Obama was doing
as well because the same people who got hired under Obama
continued to believe in the same things that, that, that Biden
did. They pushed us super hard to
take down things that were honestly were true, right?
I mean, they, they basically pushed us and said, you know,
anything that says that vaccines might have side effects, you
basically need to take down. And I was just like, we're not
going to do that. Like we're, we're clearly not
going to do that. I mean that that, that that is
kind of inarguably true. They.
Who's telling you to? Take down things, yeah, it was
it was a talk about vaccine side effects.
It was people in the in the Biden administration, I think
these people from the Biden administration would call up our
team and like scream at them and curse.
And it's like you had governmental officials screaming
at private businesses. Like I said, I knew people that
were involved in meetings with Elvis Chan standing next to the
CEO of Reddit or one of the senior executives at Reddit and
saying what? We can't tell you what to do.
You're a private platform, but we certainly could remind you
that you have a terms of service and maybe this actually is a
violation of terms of service. Do you want to go do something
about it? The same people who got behind
that and we're 100% on board. They're the same people that are
now crying out about, oh, what about censorship?
What about free speech? What about the ability to, to
not have to have fascist governmental involvement?
Remember, fascism is the federal government, a larger centralized
government coming in and pushing and dictating policies that will
be favorable to them on private businesses, not owning the
private businesses the way the Marxists want, but just leaning
on them. And then the private businesses
saying, well, it's in our best interest to go ahead and comply.
I don't want the Trump administration to do that
either, but I don't think they need it to.
Isn't that funny? I don't need Donald Trump to
step in and do anything when the left is actually melting
themselves down and they're cutting down their own
credibility. There's no reason to interrupt
the enemy when they're making a mistake.
And people like Jimmy Kimmel were enemies of regular people,
which is why people didn't watch him.
They watched him. They went like, Nope, that's out
of touch. I'm not interested.
Here's Jimmy Kimmel talking about Donald Trump.
He's talking about his, his, his celebrating the censorious
nature of the political left because they can't have that
dialogue. They can't be like liberals.
This is what a leftist sounds like.
Liberals, Charlie Kirk definition, something we all
sort of agree on. They, they have the same
principles, or at least they have similar principles.
And then we negotiate on how we get to the answer to make things
better for human beings. Leftists, their goal is always
going to be to the same. It's going to be to grab more
power. It's to move forward with their
ideologies. It's progressive, can never
stop, even if it actually injuries its own 'cause they
don't care. This is the argument that was
being made about censoring Donald Trump.
Trump has been suspended from Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
and even Snapchat. But don't worry, Mr. President,
there's still plenty of apps you do have access to.
You still have Spotify to drown out the sound of millions of
people cheering as you leave. You still have Petfinders, since
you're on the outs with Mike Pence.
You have Cameo, which will soon be your primary source of
income. You can still play Among Us, a
game where everyone accuses each other of being against them.
You'd love it. You could play Pokémon Go.
You and Donnie Junior can hunt Pikachus together.
And when no one else wants you, don't forget there's always your
old friend the Domino's Pizza tracker.
Not only did Trump get banned from Twitter, Google, Apple, and
Amazon removed the Parlor app from their platforms.
Parlor is where all the right wingers gather to post QA
nonsense and misspelled the word Parlor.
And no one was more upset about Parlor going away than a sneaky
little congressman named Devin. But it's more than just the
financial aspect of that. Republicans have no way to
communicate. I have 3,000,000 followers.
On Parlor. Tonight.
I will no longer be able to communicate with those people, I
mean other. Than being on Fox News right
now. Why does Devin Nunes always look
like somebody knocked his ice cream out of his hand?
Trumpers are complaining bitterly that they're being
silenced. They in fact, they won't shut up
about being silenced on their three propaganda TV networks, on
1000 conservative radio shows all over the Internet.
They are screaming about being silenced.
They won't be silent about being silenced.
That's interesting. And remember the story with
Jimmy Kimmel's canceling was what that he made factually
untrue statements. He claims that they don't do
that. So here's a little clip that the
Megyn Kelly Show was able to dig up from January of 2024, saying
that they had fact checkers that made sure that when he made a
joke. By the way, isn't it interesting
to listen to him standing there without the laugh track, without
the live audience and none of us feel like laughing about
anything he said because it wasn't particularly funny.
That's how you know, the guy didn't probably have a very,
very long shelf life in that contract.
To me, there was nothing in there that I was like, I didn't
even smirk. I did.
It's not even clever. But his claim was that they
weren't making factually untrue statements, that they actually
backed it, that they were fact checkers.
So let's hear what that sounds like.
And as far as the, well, you say things about people all the time
argument goes, yes, I do. It's not the same.
It's not even close to the same. We say a lot of things on this
show. We don't make up lies.
In fact, we have a team of people who work very hard to
sift through facts and reputable sources before I make a joke.
And that's an important distinction because the truth
still matters. And when I do get something
wrong, which happens on rare occasions, you know what I do?
I apologize for it. Which is what Aaron Rodgers
should do, Which is what a decent person would do.
Again, that was the same story about going in.
And they were so offended by these things that they didn't
really understand. Like why do we need to go to a
stand up comedian doing a late night television show to find
out things about vaccines or to find out things about any news
in happening in the world? I don't need it.
What's interesting is that this backlash is starting to hit and
there's people that are realizing, hey, maybe we went
too far. Well, now I think it's too late
in some way. So you're going to get this
backlash. That's going to actually happen
and it is going to be a backlash.
It is going to be the result of your own actions.
This is when you've waited too long because you're no longer in
a position of power. Isn't it interesting that you
want unity when you're the ones who are not not in the position
to actually create unity? We didn't see Barack Obama bring
unity. We didn't see Joe Biden.
He told us that our families were going to have winters of
severe illness and death. I was still waiting for that,
right? It doesn't matter what you do
when you're in the minority. It matters what you do when
you're in the majority. And it turns out, I think, that
all these people do the same damn thing.
So I guess what's good is good for the goose.
It's good for the Gator. It's not great for America.
It's not great for our children. It's not great for people of
principal. But this is what it looks like
when the left realizes, hey, maybe we overdid this because
we're not in charge right now and we've run out our own
position. And then we're going to talk to
you in a party here as we kind of get wrapped up.
I heard earlier this week Ezra Klein and Ross doubt that having
a conversation. And there was this moment where
Ezra says, you know, I've probably needed to acknowledge
back a couple of years ago that we were a little too censorious,
that the left was, was actually interested in kind of
intimidating more liberals should say, I think it would
help. They should acknowledge not just
in passing, but actively acknowledge where things went
wrong. That's the only way to move
forward, I think in a way, because otherwise, what would we
acknowledge? I think you have to acknowledge
that there is a listen, cancel culture was a thing.
Absolutely. OK.
It was actually a thing. And it's not, it's not just
enough to say, well, my cancel culture was fine, but yours is
wrong. There has to be an
acknowledgement that that, yeah, now I think everybody
understands what free speech really looks like and what it
means. And then you have to apply that
thinking to what was happening 456 years ago.
It was and say something, but this is this OK, So what they're
saying is is now that we've done all the things that we wanted to
do and now that we're on the bottom of the pile and we're the
ones that are going to be taking these these hits.
Now we don't like it. And so we'd like you to stop.
We we acknowledge that we were bad before.
So now go ahead and and do the nice thing.
OK, maybe I mean that is the Christian perspective.
It's it's hard to get behind it. I understand the instinct not to
Donald Trump put this out over the weekend on true social.
This is a really strange. First of all, everything about
this is strange. It looks like it's Adm or a text
message. And he did it as a public post.
Now, I don't know what the hell is going on there.
And by the way, I don't think you do either.
But he was asked about it. So let me just read it because
it's relevant to this idea that something needs to happen.
And you know, Donald Trump is not one who is likely to forgive
as much. In fact, he said as much at the
at the memorial service. Here's what he said.
He posted this on true Social Pam, I reviewed over 30
statements and posts saying that essentially same old story as
last time. All talk, no action, nothing is
being done. What about comedy?
What about Adam Schiff, What about Leticia?
They're all guilty as hell, but nothing is going to be done.
That is the instinct of the status quo always wins here.
I think that's what I believe he said.
We almost put in a Democrat supported US attorney in
Virginia with a really bad Republican passed, awoke Rhino,
who was never going to do his job.
And that's why the two worst Democrat senators pushed him so
hard. They even lied to the media and
said that he quit and that we had no case.
No, I fired him. And there's a great case.
And many lawyers and legal pundits say so.
Lindsay Halligan is a really good, good lawyer and likes you
a lot. We cannot delay any longer.
It's killing our reputation, credibility.
They impeached me twice. They indicted me five times over
nothing. Justice must be served.
And now, so Trump making the argument and then by the way, he
went on to do this one, which is even weirder then it looks like
he was correcting his own statement.
And he says Pam Bond, he's doing a great job as attorney general.
the United States, she's very careful and smart and she loves
our country and needs a we need a tough prosecutor in the
Eastern District of Virginia. And that's why my recommendation
is Lindsay Halley. And we got to get things moving
and we don't need a Democrat endorsed Republican.
I'll be nominating Lindsay Halligan to the United States
Attorney. It's very important part of our
great country. She'll be fair and smart,
provide justice desperately needed justice for all.
No go. I don't know what just happened
there. I don't know what that was.
Is that a retraction? Is that a correction?
Very strange. But Trump let his instincts come
out on stage. This is the thing that Democrats
will seize on, that they will say, look, this is so bad.
Our president is talking about, you know, being vindictive.
And yeah, it probably wasn't appropriate in that venue, even
though people, I think, understand where it comes from.
And this was why that that whole memorial service to me was hard
because it was a mixture of political and not political and
saying, hey, look at me, I'm going to make this about me.
Here's Trump's probably worst moment during this time.
And again, I'm showing it because people on the left are
going to talk about it. It's in the context more broadly
if people acting like censorship didn't happen and that you
didn't have 5-6 years, eight years of wild things.
I mean, didn't Trump say it right there?
They indicted me five times, impeached me twice, weaponized
government, weaponized DOJ. It's a real thing.
It's not being captured. I think he gets it.
At least he understands that. Was this the most appropriate
time to do it in the middle of a memorial service for someone who
said turn the other cheek and love that, you know, love your
enemies? I I don't know that it was, I
don't know that this is the kind of levity that I want, but here
it is anyway. Again, you should know, this is
what the political left is going to seize on.
So you should hear what it's what he said if you didn't
listen to the memorial, his opponents.
He wanted. The best for?
Them, that's where I disagreed with Charlie.
I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them.
I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica.
But now. Erica can talk to me and the
whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not
right. But I can't stand my opponent.
Charlie's angry looking down. He's angry at me now.
He wasn't. Interested in demonizing anyone?
He was interested in persuading everyone to.
The ideas? And principle.
It's hard to hear that because that's not, I don't think the
like, I understand what he's saying and I understand why he
would say it. But I think every time Trump
gets in front of a microphone, he just does what Trump does and
he forgets the like maybe the place that there's certain times
and places where it's more appropriate.
And maybe these guys are all guilty of it too.
If you guys are just listening, if you're not watching over on
Spotify or if you're not watching on on YouTube or
Rumble, you're missing out on these three buddies, Bill
Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, all hanging out together,
all buddies, right? There was somebody who actually
did capture, I think the right attitude, which is blending a
discussion of politics and the immediacy of the moment and also
getting the message right. And so again, this is yet
another person that says, you know, one of the last
conversations I had with Charlie was this.
And yet it didn't hit me as ugly.
It didn't hit me as as so blatantly self-serving.
Maybe that's because RFK Junior is a little bit more talented at
that. Maybe it's because he's a little
bit more of a sophisticated speaker.
And you know, that's probably the case compared to Donald
Trump. This I thought was one of the
better messages that there are worse things than being killed
for what you believe and it would be living as a slave.
I think that's, I think that's kind of where so many of us are
struggling right now because you look and you go, what other
choice do we have and what's it going to cost us to try to
change that? We were talking about the risks
that all of us take when we challenge entrenched interest,
the physical risk. And he asked me if I was scared
of dying. And I said to him, there's a lot
worse things than death. And one of those?
Things is if we lost our constitutional rights in this
country and that our children were raised as slaves and.
I said to Charlie, I said, sometimes the best consolation
we can hope for is that we get to tie with our boots on.
Well, Charlie died with his boots on and he died to to make
sure that we didn't have to undergo those fates that are
worse than deaths. Oh, let's remember Charlie.
He was a he was for those of us who were friends with Charlie.
We don't need any more evidence of the love of God because the
evidence, the friendship is the best evidence that God loves us
all. Thank you and God bless you and.
She's talking about the the fate worse than death, which I think
is the thing that many people have forgotten.
Yeah, it's, it's awful, but at least at least the opportunity
to stand up and fight where you're at to, to hold
principles. So what does that challenge look
like? And I didn't hear anybody say
this, but this is the challenge I think that exists.
The challenge is, and I brought this up on Infowars yesterday
for those who saw the Sunday piece, the challenge is, is that
if you're going to do, if you're going to take this as a moment,
if you want to be say that I am Charlie Kirk.
There's a hashtag that's been running around.
A lot of people have been making making that something to trend
and they feel really good about it.
So they put it on their social media and they're like, yeah,
I'm helping. I'm part of the thing.
OK, fine. I'll take it at your work.
I'll I'll give people that in good faith.
You are saying something that you believe that it impacted
you, even if you didn't know the man.
I didn't know the man. It it deeply impacts me that a
father is now gone and the children are going to grow up
without him. The only saving grace of that is
that Charlie Kirk was videoed hundreds of days a year and his
children will be able to look and see.
Things that he said and be able to judge who he was not by some
encyclopedia definition, and not just by mom's memories, but by
his own words, which are cataloged hundreds and hundreds,
if not thousands of hours of his own speaking.
And they'll get to know who their father was in his own
words. That's that's a small blessing.
It really is the other piece of it then comes down to was like,
well, fine, we have access to those things.
I keep seeing the pop up in my social media feed.
I see them whenever I'm scrolling.
If I'm on YouTube, they're going to pop up in shorts.
This is a message he had. This is what he had to say.
This is how he answered people that thought he was racist, so
on and so forth. Right, OK, good.
So what did Charlie Kirk do that was so unique that it made so
much an effect that that 100,000 plus people turned out and
wanted to go to a stadium that, that hundreds of thousands of
people across this country tuned in.
Maybe millions of people tuned in to watch that.
Why? Because he put something on the
line, right? He went out and said things that
are very uncomfortable for most people.
He he did the thing that you would like to do, but maybe you
say you can't do because you'll lose your job, because you'll
lose a family member, because somebody will cut you off and no
longer speak with you that you're going to be in a scenario
where you're going to have what they call no contact, right?
No longer will they engage with you.
A family member will say, you say this and you're out.
If you or have the audacity to have a different opinion, then
I'm no longer willing to hear you at all.
And that is a a pretty leftist idea.
People on the right, we have family members we disagree with,
will still pick up the phone and hear what they have to say.
They'll say hateful stuff. We'll, you know, flame out about
it and then we'll go back to it. That's not the case necessarily
for people on the left. They have a different culture on
it. So are you willing to do that
and be a white martyr over it? And that was my discussion that
I had with with Chase Geyser yesterday.
How many people say I am Charlie Kirk?
And then also know that that means you're going to have to
say things that you know are true in a polite and respectful
way and stand on 2 feet and see what happens next in your boots.
And if that means that you lose a job over it because you're not
going to tolerate quiet bigotry or implied bigotry, then that's
what it means. And a lot of you guys got a
first chance at that and maybe didn't take that, that that
move. You tolerated some degree of
evil, some degree of lying to your face.
And you just, you just ate it. You took it in and you said OK,
and you did so in 2021 and 2022 when mandates came down.
And maybe you said I didn't have a choice.
I didn't have a choice. I had to take a shot.
I was forced into it. We've had three years since
then. Have you improved your position
to the point where you know what is being asked of you and you're
willing to go on and stand on principle?
Or are you just going to put a hashtag in your bio and say, I
am Charlie Kirk and not actually live the way that it says one
side is going to make you pay for it?
And that, I think is the legacy that I'm concerned will not
endure, that people will just look at it and it's it's trendy
and it feels good and everybody's doing it.
So I'm doing it too. But do you really have the, the,
do you really have the the courage of your conviction to
stand by the thing that you said?
We had a number of people that experienced it.
You've seen them. I'm one of them.
I think I'm still standing years after all that stuff went down.
I told you in our our Friday program it was three years to
the day that we sold the house. Those are the consequences of
saying no, non negotiable. These are my principles and I
don't intend to to to cow to anyone.
And if that means I don't work here anymore, so be it.
A lot of you had that same experience.
I've gotten your DMS, I've seen your messages.
I know what you guys went through as well, whether it was
in a a trucking job, whether it was in a a factory or some sort
of manufacturing facility because of an OSHA mandate,
whether it was because of your healthcare job.
A lot of you in healthcare had that same moment.
I know people who said I had a nursing career.
I spent years in school, I spent years of perfecting my craft.
I got good at what I did. I was highly paid in it.
And I said, no, you do not get to make this demand on me.
And then you decide what the consequences are because I've
already told you what I'm willing to do, up to and
including I don't work here anymore if need be.
And unfortunately, that has to be the same thing in your, in
your private life too. It turns out my family, my
wife's family, part of them cut us off.
They don't want to talk to us anymore.
They can no longer handle the idea that we don't agree with
everything they say. And because of that, we cannot
be tolerated in their presence. I'm more than willing to have
them in my home. I'm more than willing to go to
their home and be in a place that is a little bit hostile to
my ideology because I know what I stand for.
And it's not hatred. It has never been about hate.
It's because I look at the, the, some of the ideas that they
have. And I think this is sort of
juvenile and childish. And I think you're better than
that. And I want better for you.
But even if you don't agree with me, it doesn't mean that I'm not
going to love you as a person. It doesn't mean that I'm going
to wish harm upon you. And that seems to be a very, a
very clean break between the hard left and I don't know what
the hard right is. And I don't consider people who
are fascists and Nazis like actual whatever Nazi types,
people that want to go out there and actually use hate.
I don't think that's where the right.
Yeah, I don't think there's any conservative piece on the right
there. I think that's just bleed over
from people that are that are, you know, they're so it's so
close to the authoritarian left. I don't see much of the
difference between it. Isn't that interesting?
No more talked about the the no contact thing.
I don't even know if I have this clips queued up correctly so
bear with me a second here. But the concept of cutting
people off simply because you don't agree with them and you
can't tolerate hearing things that that offend your
sensibilities. I don't think that is a right
wing phenomenon. And if it is and you have that,
you should fix it. But if you have to endure it, so
be it. There's many of us that are in
the same boat and you can commiserate with us as well.
Let's give this a listen. The left does have this bad
attitude of go no contact. I mean, that's a big thing with
your family. They believe in not talking to
members of your family. I mean at the Emmys would have
killed someone to get up there since they all want to talk
about their politics, would have killed.
Somebody to get. Up there, not give a speech
about how much they like Charlie Kirk just to say we had a
political assassination this week and that's wrong and we
should. They would have been booed off
the stage because he was on the wrong team.
So you're not even allowed to say that.
Can you imagine if a left wing person was assassinated that
week? They would.
The whole show would have been about that just.
I. Mean.
Is that not true? Can't you admit that?
Can we really have dialogue with the left that that doesn't want
to operate in good faith like that?
Can we really move that way? I don't get it.
And so I understand why Donald Trump said the thing that he
said that this weird, this weird tweet, right?
This weird post that he made over on True Social.
I get it. Justice must be served.
They came after me. We've got to do something.
I don't know if it's the right answer.
And at the same time, something's got to change.
So we're in this weird moment where you don't have to tolerate
people doing evil things to you. And at the same time, there may
be a cleaner way. Here's here's what he was asked
about this particular tweet. And I like again, it's the
reason why I didn't want this to be part of a memorial because I
think it's very different there. There are two parts to us.
Sometimes there's the, the, the, the public and then there's the
private thing. This seems like this is more of
a a private statement. So then he got this dragged into
public. Here he is talking about it at
one of these little press gaggles.
No, I just. Want people to act?
They have to act, act fast. You know, they were ruthless and
vicious. I was impeached twice.
I was indicted five times. It turned out to be a fake deal.
And we have to act fast one way or the other, One way or the
other, they're guilty. They're not guilty.
We have to act fast. If they're not guilty, that's
fine. If they are guilty or if they
should be charged, they should be judged.
And we have to do it now. Yeah, in some ways he's right.
They have to act now. They have to do something.
I don't know what that something is.
My concern is, is that something is it's run by these types, the
same kind of people that had no problem spending every single
penny that we had, that had no principles, that we watched a
governmental apparatus that just serves itself non-stop and only
does. I pulled this stuff off the the
AI thing today. The question was how much of our
of our national debt can we attribute to Republican speakers
of the House since 9:11 on 9/11? We had $5.8 trillion in national
debt as of September 2025. Right now, you can attribute 24
1/2 trillion of those dollars that we have.
There's about $37 trillion in national debt.
We have about 24 1/2 of that is under Republican speakers of the
House since 9:11. We are a country that's coming
up on 250 years, yes, and 24 1/2 trillion dollars cents in the
last 24 years. And then you look at what Nancy
Pelosi did, she was the alternative to that.
She was the speaker of the House from 22,000 and 7 to 2011.
She had four years there and then 2019 to 2023.
And she's responsible for like what, like 1616.78.
So just shy of 12, I'm sorry, just shy of $17 trillion in
eight years. I'm just saying they're like, I
don't see a huge differential there.
We don't have principles that are leading us.
So your principles have to be fixed first.
Otherwise you end up pretty much doing whatever is clever,
whatever, whatever's popular, that's where people go with it.
I saw this experiment thing. This may not immediately be
obvious to you, but the number of folks that are going to jump
in line and say that's our guy and sheer things that they
probably don't even understand, that's the thing that should be
the enemy. Again, if you make your
decisions up front and you say these are my principles, they're
inflexible, I am willing. I'm willing to stand on
principle even if I do it by myself.
I'm willing to sit when other people are standing and giving a
standing ovation when I don't agree with what's going on.
For some reason this this reminds me that most people will
not do that. And this is one of those little
experiments they did about peer pressure and societal pressure
and going along with what's easy because you're looking around
and everyone else is doing it. Why wouldn't you?
This video. Should terrify you.
She's part of an experiment, but she doesn't know it.
You see, these people are in on it.
So every single time they hear a beeping noise, they stand up.
It only takes until about the third time before she folds and
stands for no reason. Now here's where it gets really
crazy. 1 by 1 each one of the people leave the room and now
she's all by herself and the same beeping noise goes off and
look, she stands. Now they bring somebody new in
that was not a participant. I remember she wasn't a
participant. She stands up at first.
He ignores her. He asks why.
She says everybody was doing it, so she thought she was supposed
to. He doesn't quite understand
what's going on, but look what he does.
He stands. More new people come in and they
all start to stand as well. And I remember all this started
from some fake ass rule that made no sense.
And this experiment is exactly why you should think for
yourself. This is how it spreads.
One person does it and then everybody else follows without
asking any questions. Then it becomes a new normal.
This is messed up because this is exactly how families pass
down bad habits and how entire cultures can be built on lies.
Critical thinking is so important because once you stop
thinking, you're no longer living your life.
You're just another sheep in the herd.
More. Accurately, you're just one more
person living under operant conditioning, which is to say
that I vote for a party and I don't vote for ideas and I don't
vote for principals and I don't make them actually live up to
it. We saw this stuff during COVID.
It continues to be one of those lessons.
Maybe this is another opportunity for people to do a
do over on that where you live principal and not live based on
just based on what's been happening around you that you
don't ask any questions. One of the questions I'd like to
see asked because this is something that just happened.
This is our last little news story of the day.
The House, they passed a funding bill.
The Senate said, no, remember, it's not because of principle.
It's not because people in the Senate were like, ah, we don't
want to spend exactly that much money again and we don't want to
go into further debt. No, they said you're not
spending enough money. That's why Democrats didn't vote
for it. So you have this this mixed
thing where people are not operating based on principle,
they're going out on outcomes that they want to get.
And the outcome is, is that we don't care about what comes
next. We're willing to saddle our
children with debt slavery into eternity, which I believe is
what RFK Junior was talking about.
Fate worse than death in many ways.
Having your kids live in a slavery where they're working
just to pay off the bills of the previous generation before and
before that. And you don't see principal
here. So we're going to see more
voting. We're going to see more
movements towards continuing resolutions.
And nobody's asking that question.
I feel like I'm the only person asking it.
I know I'm not, but I feel like I am.
The question is real. Simply, you have a guy who is
the speaker of the House that he said he was going to do single
issue appropriation bills. He's never once done that.
Why does nobody care? And the fact that everybody is
doing it, that when the beep happens, we all just stand up.
When the when the September comes around, then we all just
pass CRS. That's just what we do.
Why? Why is that allowed?
And why have we spent over $30 trillion in 21 years since 9:11?
Why? What do we get for it?
Is this country any better than it previously was?
I don't think it is. I don't think it's better than
it was under when Obama was around.
I don't think it's better than it was when Clinton was around.
I don't like any of those things.
They all make me very, very uncomfortable to look at and to
see and go what the hell actually happened?
So I'm going to play one more RFK thing.
It's kind of a palate cleanse right here, which I think is
interesting in so much as he reminds me that people didn't
used to be this sick. And maybe people have always
been disinterested, but maybe they were not so bold and brazen
in these these these areas. We always kind of had a distrust
the politicians and there's plenty of reasons why America's
gone off the rails for 120 plus years.
But it feels like this the slope has gotten steeper and steeper.
And I think that our funding and between inflation and the adding
of spending and the increasing of the debt limit and all the
things that they're doing right now, it does feel like it is
hitting a fevered pitch. We talked about the idea that
maybe America was running off the edge of a Cliff and whether
we could do AU turn. I think maybe Donald Trump has
put the brakes on just a little bit or a speed bump.
But we're still heading in the exact same direction.
And if this funding bill that's going on through the House, it's
going to have to go again. And the Senate's inability to
pass it because they not not because it was too fair, because
it didn't have enough spending in it.
It didn't add more. I didn't add enough of the
garbage that they want to do. That should be really concerning
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I think it's a little a little bit of a reminder of how far
we've fallen in this country over the years.
RFK Junior, he's a liberal. He's one of those people we can
talk to. He's not a conservative.
He believes in things that I don't necessarily think we agree
with, but he is reminding us that there was a maybe simpler
solutions and they may not cost as much money.
It's kind of nice to see someone who holds on to those
principles, even if we don't agree on everything.
This seems like health and the sort of Make America healthy
Again agenda should be something that that crosses the boundaries
and people that are resisting him and seeing people on the
left fight against him. It lets you know who the
liberals and the leftists are in a lot of ways.
There's an. Entire emerging body of science
that links microbiome to mental health what they call the gut
brain connection. There's these extraordinary
studies that that have been done in prisons and juvenile
detention facilities where they change the foods and the results
are extraordinary. And one juvenile detention
facility and this is pretty typical that suicide rates went
down by 100%. The use of restraints went down
by 75% when they just. Changed when they just.
Changed the diet, there's a there's a professor at Harvard
who is curing schizophrenia with dietary changes and violence
went down in prisons by 47%. So one of the things that we're
urging governors to do is to look at these areas and to do
what they can to start changing the diets in the schools,
getting the food dyes out. We know affect behavior.
So, you know, there's opportunities now for all of us
to live up to our obligation to our children and really give
them a chance in life and, and change the you know, they not
only their physical health, but also their mental health.
Pretty straightforward and simple.
We should. And isn't it interesting how
much that has changed dramatically?
I, I would say in my lifetime, not only am I one of these
people that have lived both a, an analog childhood and a
digital adulthood, but I feel like I've also seen a dramatic
experience, a change in the way that our country has sort of
handled each other and disagreements and, and our
understanding of civil liberties have changed dramatically.
One team has run off the rails and decided they hate it.
You were looking for a big tent. I can get into a big tent with
guys that understand that there are problems that I'm going to
stay in my lane and try to fix and knock it out there.
I don't hear RFK Junior out there, you know, campaigning one
way or another about abortion because we probably don't agree
on that. It's just interesting to see.
I want to find common ground with the people that I can find
common ground with where we don't have to actually see
principles. I do think that was kind of the
way that Charlie Kirk approached a lot of his discussions.
Like to see more of it. So go out there and live that
hashtag if you guys are going to have it.
Thanks for sharing the program. Thanks for being with us this
morning. Look forward to seeing you guys
again tomorrow. I've got a lot to cover for the
week. We're going to talk about some
some DOJ weaponization that continues on.
I've got stuff about Tom Holman that I wanted to get to, but
I'll get to it tomorrow. It'll be good.
Stick around. This is going to be an
interesting week and hopefully it's one where we can continue
to point out where the where the progress can be made in a good
way. All right, God bless you and
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